From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 04:38:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6874F3BEEE; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 04:38:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,271,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="113318689:sNHT102254548" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emilet@pop.rcn.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 23:36:33 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance w The Lothars + Bob M, Lowell MA, 11.05.05 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 04:38:28 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I'll be doing video improvisations on Saturday Nov 5 with The Lothar's and special guest Bob McCloskey on reeds. The event will be at 119 Gallery, http://www.911gallery.org, which is located at 119 Chelmsford Street., in Lowell, as part of the Cabaret Waltaire series, produced by Walter Wright. Lineup: 8:00pm Random Access Theater [RAT] Site coming soon: www.RandomAccessTheatre.org 8:45pm Heather (movement, video) + w2 (analog synth, video) 9:30pm The Lothars (retro-electro music) with dr T (visual music) + BoB McCloskey reeds; Abstract improvisation for two theremins, electroflute, and reeds. http://www.wobblymusic.com/lothars/ Directions: http://www.911gallery.org/directions/directions.htm -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 10:29:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38AA13BEE8; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:29:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051101080129.02db4a00@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 10:27:58 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: Turning OFF MultiIncrease in LoopIV In-Reply-To: <20051031210631.CAC123BF04@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051031210631.CAC123BF04@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:29:40 +0000 (UTC) > With MoreLoops=4, I'm trying to go >from recording loop1, directly into recording on loop2 SwitchQuant = OFF is necessary if you want to do this with NextLoop Nextloop always ends a recording, and with all the other settings of SwitchQuant the loop starts playing back. >(NextLoop + carrying my loop1 with me, LoopCopy=On) back to >playing in loop1, without anything on loop3 or loop4. You need SwitchQuant = CnF (or one of the other similar options) if you want to select which loop you want to go to next. You have several options:- 1) SwitchQuant =Cnf, and let loop 1 play through before recording loop 2 2) MoreLoops = 2, 3) "Random Access" the loops using midi Notes >Like I said before, I keep ending up in MultiIncrease when >I hit NextLoop again, MultiIncrease is a special feature which allows you to multiply to a fixed no. of cycles. Hit Multiply once, to start, then straight away tap in the no. of cycles you want. eg. 3 taps on Multiply gives you 2 cycles in the loop >and a long-press doesn't send me back >to loop1 either. with SwitchQuant=OFF the whole point is that you go to the next loop immediately, so there's no way the edp can wait to see if the press is going to be a long one, it's already decided which loop to go to :-) > Hope this description helps. hope you get to where you want to be, I use SwitchQuant=Cnf and MoreLoops=2 together almost all the time. It allows me to create complex arrangements, and it's easy to keep track of what's happening. If you're thing is to do backing chords on the edp, for soloing over, then won't MoreLoops = 2 be enough? (just asking). If you need to switch between 4 loops then either you have to use MIDI control (fun), or use SwitchQuant = CnF and accept that you let the loop you just recorded run for a bit. OR (complexity warning!!) use:- SamplerStyle=OnE with your original settings 1) hit Rec and play loop1 2) hit Next and play loop2 3) hit rec and Hear Loop1 Now each time you hit Next, you'll get one repeat of loop2, and then go back to loop1. to stay in loop 2, hit Undo while in loop2 when in loop2 you can use Next to start recording loop3 (after which you have to either hit Rec to go back to loop2, or Next to record loop4) ..but using SamplerStyle=One with multiple Loops is really a bit confusing, with the loops tending to jump about unexpectedly. Really it's designed for playing the loops from midi notes, when the loop will just play once and stop. The "interesting" behaviour when using the regular controls works ok with MoreLoops=2, but otherwise is best left to EDP obsessives. andy butler >- Sam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 13:01:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29BA33BEE9; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 13:01:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Daniel Fredriksson Subject: Musical places/venues in London? Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:00:53 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 13:01:02 +0000 (UTC) Hey, my name is Daniel Fredriksson, I'm a musician from the north of Sweden. I'm not a looper yet, but plan to get in to it. I'm into experimental music and folk/worldmusic. This might be a little OT, but I hope it's OK. I'm going to London tomorrow, sort an educational visit. I have one day of and will go and spread some cd:s around the town. Sort of promos for my solostuff and also for a band called Godrun. Does anyone have suggestions to venues that would book an as yet unsigned band from Sweden if they really like the music? Godrun plays rock/punkmusic with a worldmusic-touch and backtrack throuch an MPC. Also booking agencys/record labels/festival etc is interesting. Actually, any other suggestions for places of musical interest in London I would be thankful for! Thanks a bunch! Daniel Fredriksson daniel@silkwood.se www.silkwood.se From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 13:28:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D92583BEF4; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 13:28:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 08:28:53 -0500 From: Clint Goss Subject: RE: Musical places/venues in London? In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <0IPA00DCE2S9CDDK@mta9.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcXe5FKf/PsaiE6nSJeG9DF3N6/ICwAA1Kew Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 13:28:58 +0000 (UTC) Daniel - > any other suggestions for places of musical interest in London I would be thankful for! I had a *blast* at the British Library Sound archive: http://www.bl.uk/collections/sound-archive/nsaservices.html 2.5 million recordings ... not too shabby. Takes a bit of bureaucracy to get in, but it was worth it. - Clint Goss Email: clint@goss.com Web: www.goss.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 13:39:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C4AE3BEEC; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 13:39:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: using laptops for music Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:40:51 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c5dee9$e0c5e8e0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 13:39:34 +0000 (UTC) A solution that might solve some of these issues might be to take a rather deep 19'' angled rack and mount a docking station in the top space, then installing any peripherals (audio/midi interface etc.) below. Thus, no connectors are freely spread around, but by undocking the laptop, you can still use it e.g. for working on music stuff while on an airplane/train/... But you're right - if I would want to implement a serious solution, I'd look at some of the industry PCs available, like these: www.digitallogic.ch Had good experiences with these running protoyping stuff in a car. Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Matthias Grob [mailto:matigrob@terra.com.br]=20 Gesendet: Montag, 31. Oktober 2005 14:14 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: using laptops for music I am mostly worried about the connectors: no matter how much metal they put in the box, the connectors are=20 freely spread arround and stand out and when somebody walks by and=20 touch it, you have the following options: - (best) the connector falls out - the connector breaks - the socket breaks - the socket and the PCB break - the socket and the chip connected to it break (as experienced with FireWire!) I think Laptop is great to start and make experiences, but for a=20 serious touring equipment, we should figure out boxes with big=20 FireWire sockets, mobile processors, no ventilators and possibly=20 Flash memory instead of HD >I have to throw in my couple of cents here, I agree totally that you >need to look for a commercial model. I'm still using my compaq m300=20 >which would be about 6 or 7 yrs old. I have upgraded hard drives, cd=20 >burners, memory and OS systems over the years but the laptop itself=20 >is still chugging along. The m series was what compaq was calling=20 >their business line back then, and the other main line was the=20 >pesario which was the consumer line. Back then I chose the m300=20 >because it had a lot more metal in the case compared to the pesario=20 >and I was touring a lot back then. You still see quite a few of=20 >these m300s on ebay working fine, but not nearly fast enough for=20 >what we want it to do, and I must say that Travis was right on when=20 >he talked about depreciation if that wants to factor into your=20 >decision. My laptop would sell for maybe $150.00, while my 3 yr old=20 >edp would fetch maybe $800.00 (which is more than I paid for it). --=20 ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 14:12:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 136F13BEDD; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:12:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-6.tower-71.messagelabs.com!1130854324!30215268!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8A3E@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: The End of Timeless Instruments? (Craig Anderton editorial) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:11:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5DEEE.3742E200" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:12:08 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5DEEE.3742E200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>TUBES are probably the most important sound factors 'in my world'.<< I agree. I would use more tube-based kit if I possibly could. at the moment, I have a couple of valve tape decks in the studio, while on stage both I & my guitarist use valve heads (he has marshalls & fenders, I play my basses through an old orange 120). it's all about even-order harmonic distortion vs the odd-order variety one gets from silicon-based life-forms.... duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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Improv Between Sets (beat box with crowd participation) - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034475.html=20 b.. Improv ("This is an ancient Japanese Instrument!" + Interesting = and creative percussion looping piece + Experimental halloween voice toy = looping, etc...far out! + Etheral voice looping + More vocal improv = looping + tribute song dedicated to Bob B., Hunter S., and David R.) - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034476.html=20 c.. Found Sound Distraction (Toy music intermission + Imprompu looping = with household items, voice, etc) - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1035894.html Andy Butler 00 - Rick's Intro - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096417.html 01 - Kasaundi - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1095610.html 02 - Aquarium 2 - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1115735.html 03 - Hanging Garden - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096133.html 04 - Altitude - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096418.html 05 - Backwater - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096419.html 06 - Falling Marbles - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096435.html Adrian West - 6-string electric violin/mandolin http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1033665.html Doug Wright - Akai EWI, Tenor Saxophone http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1035694.html Goh Nakamura - acoustic guitar & vocals http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1035892.html Stanosaur - electric guitar http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034479.html Scott Drengsen - bass http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034478.html Ute Bonn - vocals http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1036700.html Herb Heinz & Tim Thompson (HOOPLA) http://nosuchmedia.com/audio/hoopla_y2k5.mp3 Bernhard Wagner - electric guitar Part One - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987792.html Part Two (Verbal Intro) - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/991792.html Part Two - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/991793.html Part Three - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987794.html Part Four (with Max Valentino) - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987795.html Max Valentino - bass Part One (with Bernhard Wagner) - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/992129.html Ted Killian - electric guitar Rick's Intro and Ted Warming Up - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987388.html Part One - Guitar Dyslexia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985656.html Part Two - Guitar Dysphasia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985657.html Part Three - Guitar Dyspasia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/988212.html Greg Powers http://box.net/public/khartung/files/976586.html Ghost 7 - bass http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975372.html Krispen Hartung - electric guitar http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html ------=_NextPart_000_023C_01C5DEBE.537B9E10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v =3D=20 "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o =3D=20 "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w =3D=20 "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 =3D=20 "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1522" name=3DGENERATOR><!--[if !mso]> <STYLE>v\:* { BEHAVIOR: 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color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137275.html</FONT><= /STRONG></A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Virtuet Y - <A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137277.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow"=20 color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137277.html</FONT><= /STRONG></A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Virtuet Z - <A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137721.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow"=20 color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137721.html</FONT><= /STRONG></A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Matt Davignon -=20 </STRONG></FONT><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" color=3D#0099cc = size=3D2><A=20 class=3Dpublic_url = href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1149272.html"=20 target=3D_blank>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1149272.html</A></FO= NT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Atomic Mobius = Machine</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1033666.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow"=20 color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1033666.html</FONT><= /STRONG></A></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Rick = Walker</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Please note<STRONG>:</STRONG> Much of = Rick's=20 material here is total improptu between sets or subsituting for folks = who had to=20 cancel...this is great stuff in my opinon...very creative and = spontaneous...live=20 art at it's best</FONT></DIV> <UL> <LI><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Improv Between Sets (beat box with = crowd=20 participation) - <A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034475.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow"=20 = color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034475.html</FONT><= /STRONG></A></FONT>=20 <LI><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Improv ("This is an ancient Japanese=20 Instrument!"  + Interesting and creative percussion looping piece = +=20 Experimental halloween voice toy looping, etc...far out! + Etheral = voice=20 looping  + More vocal improv looping + tribute song dedicated to = Bob B.,=20 Hunter S., and David R.) - <A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034476.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow"=20 = color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034476.html</FONT><= /STRONG></A></FONT>=20 <LI><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Found Sound Distraction (Toy music = intermission +=20 Imprompu looping with household items, voice, etc) - <A = class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1035894.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow"=20 = color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1035894.html</FONT><= /STRONG></A></FONT></LI></UL> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Andy = Butler</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>00 - Rick's Intro - <A = class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096417.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow"=20 color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096417.html</FONT><= /STRONG></A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>01 - Kasaundi - <A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1095610.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow"=20 color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1095610.html</FONT><= /STRONG></A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>02 - Aquarium 2 - <A class=3Dpublic_url = href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1115735.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow"=20 color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1115735.html</FONT><= /STRONG></A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>03 - Hanging Garden - <A = class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096133.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow"=20 color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096133.html</FONT><= /STRONG></A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>04 - Altitude</FONT> <FONT = face=3DArial size=3D2>-=20 <A class=3Dpublic_url = href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096418.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow"=20 color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096418.html</FONT><= /STRONG></A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>05 - Backwater - <A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096419.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow"=20 color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096419.html</FONT><= /STRONG></A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>06 - Falling Marbles - <A = class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096435.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow"=20 color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096435.html</FONT><= /STRONG></A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Adrian West</STRONG> - 6-string = electric=20 violin/mandolin</FONT></DIV> <DIV><A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1033665.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" color=3D#0099cc=20 size=3D2>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1033665.html</FONT></STRONG= ></A></DIV> <DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Doug Wright - </STRONG>Akai = EWI, Tenor=20 Saxophone</FONT></DIV> <DIV><A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1035694.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" color=3D#0099cc=20 size=3D2>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1035694.html</FONT></STRONG= ></A></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Goh Nakamura -</STRONG> = acoustic guitar=20 & vocals</FONT></DIV> <DIV><A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1035892.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" color=3D#0099cc=20 size=3D2>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1035892.html</FONT></STRONG= ></A></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Stanosaur - </STRONG>electric=20 guitar</FONT></DIV> <DIV><A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034479.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" color=3D#0099cc=20 size=3D2>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034479.html</FONT></STRONG= ></A></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Scott Drengsen - = </STRONG>bass</FONT></DIV> <DIV><U><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" color=3D#0099cc size=3D2><A = class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034478.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034478.html= </STRONG></A></FONT></U></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Ute Bonn - = </STRONG>vocals</FONT></DIV> <DIV><A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1036700.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" color=3D#0099cc=20 size=3D2>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1036700.html</FONT></STRONG= ></A></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Herb Heinz & Tim Thompson=20 (HOOPLA)</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><A href=3D"http://nosuchmedia.com/audio/hoopla_y2k5.mp3"><FONT = face=3DArial=20 size=3D2>http://nosuchmedia.com/audio/hoopla_y2k5.mp3</FONT></A></DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><STRONG>Bernhard Wagner -</STRONG> = electric=20 guitar</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Part One - <A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987792.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT=20 color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987792.html</FONT></= STRONG></A></DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Part Two (Verbal Intro) - <A = class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/991792.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT=20 color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/991792.html</FONT></= STRONG></A></DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Part Two - <A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/991793.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT=20 color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/991793.html</FONT></= STRONG></A></DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Part Three - <A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987794.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT=20 color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987794.html</FONT></= STRONG></A></DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Part Four (with Max Valentino) - <A=20 class=3Dpublic_url = href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987795.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT=20 color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987795.html</FONT></= STRONG></A></DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><STRONG>Max Valentino -</STRONG> = bass</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Part One (with Bernhard Wagner) = -<STRONG> <A=20 class=3Dpublic_url = href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/992129.html"=20 target=3D_blank><FONT=20 color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/992129.html</FONT></= A></STRONG></DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><STRONG>Ted Killian -</STRONG> electric=20 guitar</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Rick's Intro and Ted Warming Up - <A=20 class=3Dpublic_url = href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987388.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT=20 color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987388.html</FONT></= STRONG></A></DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Part One - Guitar Dyslexia - <A = class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985656.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT=20 color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985656.html</FONT></= STRONG></A></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Part Two - Guitar Dysphasia - </FONT><A = class=3Dpublic_url = href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985657.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0099cc=20 size=3D2>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985657.html</FONT></STRONG>= </A></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Part Three - Guitar Dyspasia - = </FONT><A=20 class=3Dpublic_url = href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/988212.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0099cc=20 size=3D2>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/988212.html</FONT></STRONG>= </A></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Greg = Powers</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0099cc size=3D2><A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/976586.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/976586.html<= /STRONG></A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Ghost 7 -</STRONG> = bass</FONT></DIV> <DIV><A class=3Dpublic_url = href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975372.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0099cc=20 size=3D2>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975372.html</FONT></STRONG>= </A></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Krispen Hartung -</STRONG> = electric=20 guitar</FONT></DIV> <DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><A=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0099cc><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0099cc; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial = Narrow'">http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html</SPAN></FONT></= B></STRONG></A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_023C_01C5DEBE.537B9E10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 15:43:48 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED3D43BEF0; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 15:43:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AAAAAPsbZ0OCKYNlAQEBAQcIAiU Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051101153728.032cd540@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:42:02 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Turning OFF MultiIncrease in LoopIV In-Reply-To: <20051101152913.A6D253BF00@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051101152913.A6D253BF00@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <jcdc2D.A.8OF.z04ZDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 15:43:47 +0000 (UTC) >To my knowledge there is no defined behavior for a long-press >of NextLoop in Loop IV. If SwitchQuant=Off, then LongNextLoop = same as short press else LongNextLoop= go to loop 1 there's also a SUSNextLoop midi function, ...but the day is short andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 16:12:41 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7ABE43BEF6; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 16:12:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <onemouthband@yahoo.com> X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OKHDuD9MK875LNu6CCG19hVqmytRd7kVtJxyeiGT+Ai8jkeN/u3wJvuJxlKCYXDXQA+WCd5Yad8N+8pH4BSM6kZ6mA9roAwzgvD+OF4otwbjmNNIcDk6/brdvD3uG18i+tMDtBXXo4+7mB0Hif9rpggpyGg13WTbqfyUMKCCqTs= ; Message-ID: <20051101161238.41182.qmail@web50504.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:12:38 -0800 (PST) From: Sam Rogers <onemouthband@yahoo.com> Reply-To: onemouthband@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Re: Turning OFF MultiIncrease in LoopIV To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <QxgozC.A.IqG.5P5ZDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 16:12:41 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Andy, Jeff, and other off-board replies. I think I'll take the simplest part of Andy's advice and just try to rework my arrangement with MoreLoops=2 for now (though I hate to sacrifice those vocal harmonies!). You've given me a lot to play with and think about, and you're right it has nothing to do with MultiIncrease. It's just frustrating whenever you make a software upgrade that takes away previous functionality. I had performed my previous (LoopIII) arrangment and liked it that way. But when I tried it in LoopIV it sent me into MultiIncrease, that's why I was focused on MultiIncrease as the solution to the exclusion of other options. Thanks again for opening me up! Sam Rogers One Mouth Band www.OneMouthBand.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 16:32:15 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8EB63BEF6; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 16:32:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <billwalker@baymoon.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: <billwalker@baymoon.com> From: "William Walker" <billwalker@baymoon.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions Zurrigo, Matt Davignon, and Atomic Mobius Machine) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 08:32:12 -0800 Message-ID: <OPEGKDJIMPJBOGCKEPDGMEFCCIAA.billwalker@baymoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C5DEBE.C1A2C670" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <023f01c5def9$00c2b330$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <UxTTTD.A.JUH.Oi5ZDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 16:32:14 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C5DEBE.C1A2C670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey Kris , did you ever record my stuff? Bill -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 7:29 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions Zurrigo, Matt Davignon, and Atomic Mobius Machine) Phil Zurrigo Intrigue 19 - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137274.html LGM 12 - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137275.html Virtuet Y - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137277.html Virtuet Z - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137721.html Matt Davignon - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1149272.html Atomic Mobius Machine http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1033666.html Rick Walker Please note: Much of Rick's material here is total improptu between sets or subsituting for folks who had to cancel...this is great stuff in my opinon...very creative and spontaneous...live art at it's best a.. Improv Between Sets (beat box with crowd participation) - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034475.html b.. Improv ("This is an ancient Japanese Instrument!" + Interesting and creative percussion looping piece + Experimental halloween voice toy looping, etc...far out! + Etheral voice looping + More vocal improv looping + tribute song dedicated to Bob B., Hunter S., and David R.) - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034476.html c.. Found Sound Distraction (Toy music intermission + Imprompu looping with household items, voice, etc) - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1035894.html Andy Butler 00 - Rick's Intro - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096417.html 01 - Kasaundi - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1095610.html 02 - Aquarium 2 - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1115735.html 03 - Hanging Garden - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096133.html 04 - Altitude - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096418.html 05 - Backwater - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096419.html 06 - Falling Marbles - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096435.html Adrian West - 6-string electric violin/mandolin http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1033665.html Doug Wright - Akai EWI, Tenor Saxophone http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1035694.html Goh Nakamura - acoustic guitar & vocals http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1035892.html Stanosaur - electric guitar http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034479.html Scott Drengsen - bass http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034478.html Ute Bonn - vocals http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1036700.html Herb Heinz & Tim Thompson (HOOPLA) http://nosuchmedia.com/audio/hoopla_y2k5.mp3 Bernhard Wagner - electric guitar Part One - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987792.html Part Two (Verbal Intro) - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/991792.html Part Two - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/991793.html Part Three - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987794.html Part Four (with Max Valentino) - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987795.html Max Valentino - bass Part One (with Bernhard Wagner) - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/992129.html Ted Killian - electric guitar Rick's Intro and Ted Warming Up - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987388.html Part One - Guitar Dyslexia - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985656.html Part Two - Guitar Dysphasia - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985657.html Part Three - Guitar Dyspasia - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/988212.html Greg Powers http://box.net/public/khartung/files/976586.html Ghost 7 - bass http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975372.html Krispen Hartung - electric guitar http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C5DEBE.C1A2C670 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v =3D=20 "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o =3D=20 "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w =3D=20 "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 =3D=20 "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2900.2769" name=3DGENERATOR><!--[if !mso]> <STYLE>v\:* { BEHAVIOR: 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[mailto:khartung@cableone.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 01, = 2005 7:29=20 AM<BR><B>To:</B> = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Y2K5=20 Performance Recordings (new additions Zurrigo, Matt Davignon, and = Atomic=20 Mobius Machine)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Phil = Zurrigo</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Intrigue 19 - <A = class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137274.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow"=20 = color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137274.html</FONT><= /STRONG></A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>LGM 12 - <A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137275.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow"=20 = color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137275.html</FONT><= /STRONG></A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Virtuet Y - <A = class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137277.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow"=20 = color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137277.html</FONT><= /STRONG></A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Virtuet Z - <A = class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137721.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow"=20 = color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137721.html</FONT><= /STRONG></A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Matt Davignon -=20 </STRONG></FONT><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" color=3D#0099cc = size=3D2><A=20 class=3Dpublic_url = href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1149272.html"=20 = target=3D_blank>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1149272.html</A></FO= NT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Atomic Mobius=20 Machine</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1033666.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow"=20 = color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1033666.html</FONT><= /STRONG></A></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Rick = Walker</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Please note<STRONG>:</STRONG> Much of = Rick's=20 material here is total improptu between sets or subsituting for folks = who had=20 to cancel...this is great stuff in my opinon...very creative and=20 spontaneous...live art at it's best</FONT></DIV> <UL> <LI><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Improv Between Sets (beat box with = crowd=20 participation) - <A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034475.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow"=20 = color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034475.html</FONT><= /STRONG></A></FONT>=20 <LI><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Improv ("This is an ancient Japanese = Instrument!"  + Interesting and creative percussion looping = piece +=20 Experimental halloween voice toy looping, etc...far out! + Etheral = voice=20 looping  + More vocal improv looping + tribute song dedicated = to Bob=20 B., Hunter S., and David R.) - <A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034476.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow"=20 = color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034476.html</FONT><= /STRONG></A></FONT>=20 <LI><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Found Sound Distraction (Toy music = intermission=20 + Imprompu looping with household items, voice, etc) - <A = class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1035894.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow"=20 = color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1035894.html</FONT><= /STRONG></A></FONT></LI></UL> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Andy = Butler</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>00 - Rick's Intro - <A = class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096417.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow"=20 = color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096417.html</FONT><= /STRONG></A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>01 - Kasaundi - <A class=3Dpublic_url = href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1095610.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow"=20 = color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1095610.html</FONT><= /STRONG></A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>02 - Aquarium 2 - <A = class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1115735.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow"=20 = color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1115735.html</FONT><= /STRONG></A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>03 - Hanging Garden - <A = class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096133.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow"=20 = color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096133.html</FONT><= /STRONG></A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>04 - Altitude</FONT> <FONT = face=3DArial=20 size=3D2>- <A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096418.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow"=20 = color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096418.html</FONT><= /STRONG></A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>05 - Backwater - <A = class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096419.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow"=20 = color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096419.html</FONT><= /STRONG></A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>06 - Falling Marbles - <A = class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096435.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow"=20 = color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096435.html</FONT><= /STRONG></A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Adrian West</STRONG> - = 6-string electric=20 violin/mandolin</FONT></DIV> <DIV><A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1033665.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" color=3D#0099cc=20 = size=3D2>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1033665.html</FONT></STRONG= ></A></DIV> <DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Doug Wright - = </STRONG>Akai EWI,=20 Tenor Saxophone</FONT></DIV> <DIV><A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1035694.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" color=3D#0099cc=20 = size=3D2>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1035694.html</FONT></STRONG= ></A></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Goh Nakamura -</STRONG> = acoustic guitar=20 & vocals</FONT></DIV> <DIV><A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1035892.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" color=3D#0099cc=20 = size=3D2>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1035892.html</FONT></STRONG= ></A></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Stanosaur - </STRONG>electric = guitar</FONT></DIV> <DIV><A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034479.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" color=3D#0099cc=20 = size=3D2>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034479.html</FONT></STRONG= ></A></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Scott Drengsen -=20 </STRONG>bass</FONT></DIV> <DIV><U><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" color=3D#0099cc size=3D2><A = class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034478.html"=20 = target=3D_blank><STRONG>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034478.html= </STRONG></A></FONT></U></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Ute Bonn - = </STRONG>vocals</FONT></DIV> <DIV><A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1036700.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" color=3D#0099cc=20 = size=3D2>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1036700.html</FONT></STRONG= ></A></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Herb Heinz & Tim Thompson = (HOOPLA)</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><A href=3D"http://nosuchmedia.com/audio/hoopla_y2k5.mp3"><FONT = face=3DArial=20 size=3D2>http://nosuchmedia.com/audio/hoopla_y2k5.mp3</FONT></A></DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><STRONG>Bernhard Wagner -</STRONG> = electric=20 guitar</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Part One - <A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987792.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT=20 = color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987792.html</FONT></= STRONG></A></DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Part Two (Verbal Intro) - <A = class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/991792.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT=20 = color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/991792.html</FONT></= STRONG></A></DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Part Two - <A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/991793.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT=20 = color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/991793.html</FONT></= STRONG></A></DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Part Three - <A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987794.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT=20 = color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987794.html</FONT></= STRONG></A></DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Part Four (with Max Valentino) - <A=20 class=3Dpublic_url = href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987795.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT=20 = color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987795.html</FONT></= STRONG></A></DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><STRONG>Max Valentino -</STRONG> = bass</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Part One (with Bernhard Wagner) = -<STRONG> <A=20 class=3Dpublic_url = href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/992129.html"=20 target=3D_blank><FONT=20 = color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/992129.html</FONT></= A></STRONG></DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><STRONG>Ted Killian -</STRONG> = electric=20 guitar</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Rick's Intro and Ted Warming Up - <A=20 class=3Dpublic_url = href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987388.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT=20 = color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987388.html</FONT></= STRONG></A></DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Part One - Guitar Dyslexia - <A = class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985656.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT=20 = color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985656.html</FONT></= STRONG></A></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Part Two - Guitar Dysphasia - = </FONT><A=20 class=3Dpublic_url = href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985657.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0099cc=20 = size=3D2>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985657.html</FONT></STRONG>= </A></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Part Three - Guitar Dyspasia - = </FONT><A=20 class=3Dpublic_url = href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/988212.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0099cc=20 = size=3D2>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/988212.html</FONT></STRONG>= </A></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Greg = Powers</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0099cc size=3D2><A class=3Dpublic_url = href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/976586.html"=20 = target=3D_blank><STRONG>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/976586.html<= /STRONG></A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Ghost 7 -</STRONG> = bass</FONT></DIV> <DIV><A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975372.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0099cc=20 = size=3D2>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975372.html</FONT></STRONG>= </A></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Krispen Hartung -</STRONG> = electric=20 guitar</FONT></DIV> <DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><A=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0099cc><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0099cc; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial = Narrow'">http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html</SPAN></FONT></= B></STRONG></A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2></FONT></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> 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------_=_NextPart_001_01C5DF01.FD8C1630-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 16:35:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DCFE3BF0A; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 16:35:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:33:17 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Paul Charbonneau Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <50F362F3C1AF2D4FB385429B1C487E3F25BCA9@Calvin.hayesmed.com> Message-ID: References: <50F362F3C1AF2D4FB385429B1C487E3F25BCA9@Calvin.hayesmed.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 16:35:30 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, 1 Nov 2005, Paul Charbonneau wrote: > unsubscribe From http://www.loopers-delight.com/list/LoopList.html "I'm sorry, I need to unsubscribe from Looper's Delight. How do I do that? It's not that I dislike people there or anything, you understand. To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your unsubscribe request to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com Don't send your unsubscribe message to the list, or people will make fun of you and you will feel like a dork." regards, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 16:52:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A46443BF0C; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 16:52:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:52:28 +0100 (CET) From: Jan-willem De Bleser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping algorithms Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 16:52:30 +0000 (UTC) Hi everybody, My name's Jan-willem and I'm an engineering student. I'm doing research for a project on automatic and seamless looping algorithms found in DSP hardware and software and was wondering if anyone here could help point me in the right direction. I'm looking for information on the techniques to automatically place the beginning and end of loops as well as covering up and eliminating the transition. Any help you can give me is greatly appreciated, and I hope I'm not posting too far off topic. Thanks Jw Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 17:02:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D52C3BEF5; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:02:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings -- Where's Bill? Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 09:02:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: Thread-index: AcXfAboX+Fqsvxa+SyOK7XVansOKgQABAkjA Message-Id: <20051101170145.YGLN11356.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <8oRdQB.A.u8.s-5ZDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:02:37 +0000 (UTC) Yes, although this list is impressive (and a service to the loop community) I would like to hear BW's contribution if it is available. Gary From: William Walker [mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 8:32 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions Zurrigo, Matt Davignon, and Atomic Mobius Machine) hey Kris , did you ever record my stuff? Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 17:17:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 143663BF04; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:17:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02a901c5df08$306b06a0$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions Zurrigo, Matt Davignon, and Atomic Mobius Machine) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:17:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02A6_01C5DECD.831DAFF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 366, in=151836, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <10lNBC.A.PZB.GN6ZDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:17:59 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02A6_01C5DECD.831DAFF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yes, it's all ready to go in MP3 format. Do you want me to publish now, = I do you want to listen to them first. They turned out quite well. Kros ----- Original Message -----=20 From: William Walker=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 9:32 AM Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions Zurrigo, Matt = Davignon, and Atomic Mobius Machine) hey Kris , did you ever record my stuff? Bill -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 7:29 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions Zurrigo, Matt = Davignon, and Atomic Mobius Machine) Phil Zurrigo Intrigue 19 - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137274.html LGM 12 - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137275.html Virtuet Y - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137277.html Virtuet Z - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137721.html Matt Davignon - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1149272.html Atomic Mobius Machine http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1033666.html Rick Walker Please note: Much of Rick's material here is total improptu between = sets or subsituting for folks who had to cancel...this is great stuff in = my opinon...very creative and spontaneous...live art at it's best a.. Improv Between Sets (beat box with crowd participation) - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034475.html=20 b.. Improv ("This is an ancient Japanese Instrument!" + = Interesting and creative percussion looping piece + Experimental = halloween voice toy looping, etc...far out! + Etheral voice looping + = More vocal improv looping + tribute song dedicated to Bob B., Hunter S., = and David R.) - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034476.html=20 c.. Found Sound Distraction (Toy music intermission + Imprompu = looping with household items, voice, etc) - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1035894.html Andy Butler 00 - Rick's Intro - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096417.html 01 - Kasaundi - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1095610.html 02 - Aquarium 2 - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1115735.html 03 - Hanging Garden - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096133.html 04 - Altitude - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096418.html 05 - Backwater - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096419.html 06 - Falling Marbles - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096435.html Adrian West - 6-string electric violin/mandolin http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1033665.html Doug Wright - Akai EWI, Tenor Saxophone http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1035694.html Goh Nakamura - acoustic guitar & vocals http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1035892.html Stanosaur - electric guitar http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034479.html Scott Drengsen - bass http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034478.html Ute Bonn - vocals http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1036700.html Herb Heinz & Tim Thompson (HOOPLA) http://nosuchmedia.com/audio/hoopla_y2k5.mp3 Bernhard Wagner - electric guitar Part One - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987792.html Part Two (Verbal Intro) - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/991792.html Part Two - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/991793.html Part Three - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987794.html Part Four (with Max Valentino) - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987795.html Max Valentino - bass Part One (with Bernhard Wagner) - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/992129.html Ted Killian - electric guitar Rick's Intro and Ted Warming Up - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987388.html Part One - Guitar Dyslexia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985656.html Part Two - Guitar Dysphasia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985657.html Part Three - Guitar Dyspasia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/988212.html Greg Powers http://box.net/public/khartung/files/976586.html Ghost 7 - bass http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975372.html Krispen Hartung - electric guitar http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html ------=_NextPart_000_02A6_01C5DECD.831DAFF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
yes, it's all ready to go in MP3 = format. Do you=20 want me to publish now, I do you want to listen to them first. They = turned out=20 quite well.
 
Kros
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 William=20 Walker
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, = 2005 9:32=20 AM
Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance = Recordings=20 (new additions Zurrigo, Matt Davignon, and Atomic Mobius = Machine)

hey=20 Kris , did you ever record my stuff?
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Kris Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, = 2005=20 7:29 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Subject:=20 Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions Zurrigo, Matt Davignon, = and=20 Atomic Mobius Machine)

Phil = Zurrigo
 
 
Matt Davignon -=20 http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1149272.html
 
Atomic Mobius=20 Machine
 
Rick = Walker
 
Please note: Much = of Rick's=20 material here is total improptu between sets or subsituting for = folks who=20 had to cancel...this is great stuff in my opinon...very creative and = spontaneous...live art at it's best
  • Improv Between Sets (beat box with = crowd=20 participation) - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034475.html<= /STRONG>=20
  • Improv ("This is an ancient = Japanese=20 Instrument!"  + Interesting and creative percussion looping = piece +=20 Experimental halloween voice toy looping, etc...far out! + Etheral = voice=20 looping  + More vocal improv looping + tribute song dedicated = to Bob=20 B., Hunter S., and David R.) - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034476.html<= /STRONG>=20
  • Found Sound Distraction (Toy music = intermission + Imprompu looping with household items, voice, etc) = - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1035894.html<= /STRONG>
Andy = Butler
 
 
Adrian West - = 6-string=20 electric violin/mandolin

Doug Wright - = Akai EWI,=20 Tenor Saxophone
 
Goh Nakamura - = acoustic guitar=20 & vocals
 
Stanosaur - = electric=20 guitar
 
Scott Drengsen -=20 bass
 
Ute Bonn - = vocals
 
Herb Heinz & Tim = Thompson=20 (HOOPLA)
 
Bernhard Wagner - = electric=20 guitar
 
Part Four (with Max Valentino) - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987795.html
 
Max Valentino - = bass
 
Part One (with Bernhard Wagner) = - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/992129.html
 
Ted Killian - = electric=20 guitar
 
Rick's Intro and Ted Warming Up - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987388.html
Part One - Guitar Dyslexia - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985656.html
Part Two - Guitar Dysphasia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985657.html=
Part Three - Guitar Dyspasia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/988212.html=
 
Greg = Powers
 
Ghost 7 - = bass
 
Krispen Hartung - = electric=20 guitar
http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html
 
------=_NextPart_000_02A6_01C5DECD.831DAFF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 17:23:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6CB63BF13; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:23:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions Zurrigo, Matt Davignon, and Atomic Mobius Machine) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:22:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C5DF11.49DC9C80" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcXfCEckRwp54nN1QsOQtbRR69M4lAAAG5GQ In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Tue, 01 Nov 2005 18:23:22 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.122.32 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <20051101172343.5CA823BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:23:44 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C5DF11.49DC9C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd still love to have all these URLs on a webpage. Also, streaming mp3s (using m3u files) would be nice. -Michael ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C5DF11.49DC9C80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'd still love to have all these URLs on = a=20 webpage. Also, streaming mp3s (using m3u files) would be=20 nice.
 
-Michael 
------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C5DF11.49DC9C80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 17:27:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D58723BF19; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:27:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02ea01c5df09$960951a0$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20051101172343.5CA823BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions Zurrigo, Matt Davignon, and Atomic Mobius Machine) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:27:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02E7_01C5DECE.E8D17EC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 366, in=151849, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:27:53 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02E7_01C5DECE.E8D17EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can do this, but I think Bernhard would going to add them to the Y2K5 = page. I agree, this would be most convenient.=20 Bernhard, I know you are swamped with other things now, so I'll create = the HTML code for you as an standalone page, and you can upload it to = the Y2K5 page, linking to it at the top, or in place of the web = streaming section. Cool? Exect a file from me in the next few hours. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael Peters=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 10:22 AM Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions Zurrigo, Matt = Davignon, and Atomic Mobius Machine) I'd still love to have all these URLs on a webpage. Also, streaming = mp3s (using m3u files) would be nice. -Michael ------=_NextPart_000_02E7_01C5DECE.E8D17EC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I can do this, but I think Bernhard = would going to=20 add them to the Y2K5 page. I agree, this would be most convenient. =
 
Bernhard, I know you are swamped with = other things=20 now, so I'll create the HTML code for you as an standalone page, and you = can=20 upload it to the Y2K5 page, linking to it at the top, or in place of the = web=20 streaming section. Cool?
 
Exect a file from me in the next few=20 hours.

Kris
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Michael = Peters
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, = 2005 10:22=20 AM
Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance = Recordings=20 (new additions Zurrigo, Matt Davignon, and Atomic Mobius = Machine)

I'd still love to have all these URLs = on a=20 webpage. Also, streaming mp3s (using m3u files) would be=20 nice.
 
-Michael 
------=_NextPart_000_02E7_01C5DECE.E8D17EC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 17:44:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C03A3BF0F; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:44:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=r255srY4kHQodR6FC1OUOhWnC0SE337+zlGENtjbuf/xmuyZ0Be8hnIjVEvacXT2xlTAh0JoI0NssRrd6kjWaqW9ehonvZ4cvKb6Q9/cQipzXSEg8x6czzA2GKpZFJjwdkgo+eLIUdJ1jkgbkely5LxfKBv1KSDKWv6iICZO+Gw= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 09:44:52 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Turning OFF MultiIncrease in LoopIV In-Reply-To: <20051101162347.64337.qmail@web50503.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_49115_8233153.1130867092351" References: <20051101162347.64337.qmail@web50503.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:44:53 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_49115_8233153.1130867092351 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Oh, you're going to have to do it manually, but hitting record or overdub button before you nextloop. As I recall, using the direct loop access via MIDI in Loop IV would automatically end record or overdub on the current loop before sending you to the desired loop, but I haven't had time to test that with Loop III. On 11/1/05, Sam Rogers wrote: > > Travis - > > Thanks for this, but now I'm lost again. That's > what I've been trying to do: end recording on loop2 and go > back to playing on loop1 without touching loop3 or loop4. > What's your suggestion on how to accomplish this? > > - Sam > > --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > > > You could still have more than 2 loops, but you'd have to > > change your > > arrangement so that you ended record or overdub before > > leaving loop2. > > > > TravisH > > > > On 11/1/05, Sam Rogers wrote: > > > Thanks Andy, Jeff, and other off-board replies. I > > think > > > I'll take the simplest part of Andy's advice and just > > try > > > to rework my arrangement with MoreLoops=3D2 for now > > (though I > > > hate to sacrifice those vocal harmonies!). You've > > given me > > > a lot to play with and think about, and you're right it > > has > > > nothing to do with MultiIncrease. > > > > > > It's just frustrating whenever you make a software > > upgrade > > > that takes away previous functionality. I had performed > > my > > > previous (LoopIII) arrangment and liked it that way. > > But > > > when I tried it in LoopIV it sent me into > > MultiIncrease, > > > that's why I was focused on MultiIncrease as the > > solution > > > to the exclusion of other options. Thanks again for > > > opening me up! > > > > > > Sam Rogers > > > One Mouth Band > > > www.OneMouthBand.com > > > > > > > > > > ------=_Part_49115_8233153.1130867092351 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Oh, you're going to have to do it manually, but hitting record or overdub b= utton before you nextloop.  As I recall, using the direct loop access = via MIDI in Loop IV would automatically end record or overdub on the c= urrent loop before sending you to the desired loop, but I haven't had time = to test that with Loop III.

On 11/1/05, = Sam Rogers <onemouthband@y= ahoo.com> wrote:
Travis -

Thanks for this,= but <sigh!> now I'm lost again. That's
what I've been trying to d= o: end recording on loop2 and go
back to playing on loop1 without touching loop3 or loop4.
What's you= r suggestion on how to accomplish this?

- Sam

--- Travis Hart= nett <travishartnett@gmail.c= om > wrote:

> You could still have more than 2 loops, but you= 'd have to
> change your
> arrangement so that you ended record= or overdub before
> leaving loop2.
>
> TravisH
>
> On 11/1/05, Sam Rogers <onemouthband@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Thanks Andy, Jeff, an= d other off-board replies.  I
> think
> > I'll tak= e the simplest part of Andy's advice and just
> try
> > to rework my arrangement with MoreLoops=3D2 for n= ow
> (though I
> > hate to sacrifice those vocal harmonies!)= .  You've
> given me
> > a lot to play with and th= ink about, and you're right it
> has
> > nothing to do with MultiIncrease.
> >> > It's just frustrating whenever you make a software
> upgra= de
> > that takes away previous functionality. I had performed
> my
> > previous (LoopIII) arrangment and liked it that wa= y.
> But
> > when I tried it in LoopIV it sent me into
&g= t; MultiIncrease,
> > that's why I was focused on MultiIncrease as= the
> solution
> > to the exclusion of other options. &nbs= p;Thanks again for
> > opening me up!
> >
> > Sa= m Rogers
> > One Mouth Band
> > www.OneMouthBand.com
> >
> >
>


------=_Part_49115_8233153.1130867092351-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 17:57:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A8593BF12; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:57:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 11:57:01 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Looping algorithms In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4367AC6D.9010604@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:57:07 +0000 (UTC) Jan-willem De Bleser wrote: > Hi everybody, > > My name's Jan-willem and I'm an engineering student. I'm doing research > for a project on automatic and seamless looping algorithms found in DSP > hardware and software and was wondering if anyone here could help point > me in the right direction. Oh no! Stop...me...must...not...spew...technobable... :-) Oh what the heck. I'm not aware of any formally published literature on the subject of "looping" per se, but I haven't looked very hard. Lots of interesting links can be found here: http://www.dspdimension.com/data/index.html http://www.bdti.com/faq/dsp_faq.htm You will probably get more technical information searching or posting to the comp.dsp newsgroup which can be accessed here: http://www.dspguru.com/comp.dsp/ Regarding "covering up and eliminating the transition" this is usually done with a simple cross-fade between the two edges of the loop. After locating the edges, you can do a simple upward fade on the leading edge and a downward fade on the trailing edge which yields a "zero crossing" at the loop point. This will avoid a "click" but can produce a soft "bump" if the contents on both sides of the loop point are similar. A more complicated but smoother sounding fade can be performed by capturing a short "tail" after the end of the loop, fading it, and merging it with the start of the loop. You won't have a zero crossing which can reduce the intensity of the bump. This is closer to the kind of cross fading you would achieve with a DJ mixer for example, where the fade out of one signal and the fade in of another signal overlap. The curve of the fade should ideally be logarithmic, though I find that a "squares" curve is a reasonable approximation and is easier to calculate in realtime if that is a concern. Regarding "automatically place the beginning and end of loops", I'm assuming that you're talking about extracting a loop from a signal in realtime rather than placement of pre-recorded loops in an arrangement with time stretching like you might do in Sony Acid. Both are hard. The simplistic approach is to monitor the amplitude of the signal and try to detect where the "beats" are. Begin the loop when the signal level crosses a threshold, then end it after some multiple of beats. There is a hardware looping device that claims to do something like this. http://www.backline-eng.com/ In theory, this should work well for signals with obvious beats. For signals without obvious beats, you might be able to slice the signal based on variations in timbre but that's much harder to implement and unlikely to achieve useful results. Personally I prefer tapping a switch twice to define the start and end points as it gives you the most control. Regards, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 17:57:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BC7E3BF2D; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:57:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000401c5df0e$0b554140$e965dd0c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: Subject: Re: Looping algorithms Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:59:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:57:10 +0000 (UTC) One thing I think all loopers do to prevent popping sounds when the loop cycles is to cut off the sound at the nearest zero-crossing of the waveform rather than exactly when the user hits the button. I believe they look for a positive-going zero crossing near the end of the loop, and attempt to match it up with another positive-going zero-crossing near the beginning. Once these are found, a few samples at the beginning and end are discarded so that the end and the beginning will match up properly. Hope that makes sense. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan-willem De Bleser" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 10:52 AM Subject: Looping algorithms > Hi everybody, > > My name's Jan-willem and I'm an engineering student. I'm doing research > for a project on automatic and seamless looping algorithms found in DSP > hardware and software and was wondering if anyone here could help point me > in the right direction. I'm looking for information on the techniques to > automatically place the beginning and end of loops as well as covering up > and eliminating the transition. Any help you can give me is greatly > appreciated, and I hope I'm not posting too far off topic. > > Thanks > Jw > > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 18:11:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4EA43BF1E; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:11:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4367AFC1.5030808@likins.com> Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 13:11:13 -0500 From: Adrian Likins User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird (X11/20050322) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The End of Timeless Instruments? (Craig Anderton editorial) References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8A3E@lon-oxmail02> In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8A3E@lon-oxmail02> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8httqD.A.1lD.M_6ZDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:11:24 +0000 (UTC) goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >>TUBES are probably the most important sound factors 'in my world'.<< > > I agree. I would use more tube-based kit if I possibly could. at the > moment, I have a couple of valve tape decks in the studio, while on > stage both I & my guitarist use valve heads (he has marshalls & fenders, > I play my basses through an old orange 120). > > it's all about even-order harmonic distortion vs the odd-order variety > one gets from silicon-based life-forms.... Of course, it wasn't that long ago that the future of tubes looked in doubt, as the suppliers all started drying up. Adrian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 18:20:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 230CF3BF18; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:20:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=dDn0rfOZgAHp3AwvcgunWPJahG8HPtyIWG85iD8Be6dBLDfyf/M735kXAfao0FCNCZdryqMMK633504LoJUlkX3AU6MG3cnX5pmWFPgOiuW4Gwl5eAglcI/I8MfAOyGf/6KFPL0uhQfhkZelkN8xBKqe16bdpTPVLp2WfVh86Zg= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 10:20:28 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The End of Timeless Instruments? (Craig Anderton editorial) In-Reply-To: <4367AFC1.5030808@likins.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_49751_32973695.1130869228529" References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8A3E@lon-oxmail02> <4367AFC1.5030808@likins.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5mObqD.A.yCE.uH7ZDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:20:31 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_49751_32973695.1130869228529 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline And then the Iron Curtain fell and tubes were plentiful. Plus, Chinese tubes. I'm not sure I can find a C64 emulator that'll run my old sequencer software and address my real-world MIDI port though... TravisH On 11/1/05, Adrian Likins wrote: > > goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > >>TUBES are probably the most important sound factors 'in my world'.<< > > > > I agree. I would use more tube-based kit if I possibly could. at the > > moment, I have a couple of valve tape decks in the studio, while on > > stage both I & my guitarist use valve heads (he has marshalls & fenders= , > > I play my basses through an old orange 120). > > > > it's all about even-order harmonic distortion vs the odd-order variety > > one gets from silicon-based life-forms.... > > Of course, it wasn't that long ago that the future of tubes looked in > doubt, as the suppliers all started drying up. > > Adrian > > ------=_Part_49751_32973695.1130869228529 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
And then the Iron Curtain fell and tubes were plentiful.  Plus, C= hinese tubes.  I'm not sure I can find a C64 emulator that'll run my o= ld sequencer software and address my real-world MIDI port though...
 
TravisH

 
On 11/1/05, = Adrian Likins <adrian@likins.co= m> wrote:
goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote:
>  >>= TUBES are probably the most important sound factors 'in my world'.<<
>
> I agree. I would use more tube-based kit if I possibly cou= ld. at the
> moment, I have a couple of valve tape decks in the studi= o, while on
> stage both I & my guitarist use valve heads (he has= marshalls & fenders,
> I play my basses through an old orange 120).
>
> it's = all about even-order harmonic distortion vs the odd-order variety
> o= ne gets from silicon-based life-forms....

    &n= bsp;  Of course, it wasn't that long ago that the future of tubes look= ed in
doubt, as the suppliers all started drying up.

Adrian


------=_Part_49751_32973695.1130869228529-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 18:28:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA6AE3BF25; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:28:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions Zurrigo, Matt Davignon, and Atomic Mobius Machine) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:27:49 +0100 Message-ID: <007801c5df11$fa3a9af0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <02ea01c5df09$960951a0$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:28:05 +0000 (UTC) Yeppers, can do. Sorry I haven't done anything on it yet... B. -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Dienstag, 1. November 2005 18:28 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions Zurrigo, Matt Davignon, and Atomic Mobius Machine) I can do this, but I think Bernhard would going to add them to the Y2K5 page. I agree, this would be most convenient.=20 =A0 Bernhard, I know you are swamped with other things now, so I'll create = the HTML code for you as an standalone page, and you can upload it to the = Y2K5 page, linking to it at the top, or in place of the web streaming = section. Cool? =A0 Exect a file from me in the next few hours. Kris =A0 =A0 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael Peters=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 10:22 AM Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions Zurrigo, Matt Davignon, and Atomic Mobius Machine) I'd still love to have=A0all these URLs on a webpage. Also, streaming = mp3s (using m3u files) would be nice. =A0 -Michael=A0 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 18:30:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDFBD3BF2B; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:30:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: Bernhard Wagner/Joe Rut duet Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:30:13 +0100 Message-ID: <007901c5df12$4f7aa410$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007A_01C5DF1A.B13F0C10" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <9d.6bb8f10f.3094fc2c@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:30:26 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C5DF1A.B13F0C10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A little bit dated, but anyway. =20 I think the problem is the trailing slash after music.html (check the = error message quoted below). If you enter the url as quoted by kris it should work. =20 I had a lot of fun jamming with Joe and I hope the fun and also the = serene atmosphere of Joe's loft comes across in the posted mp3 excerpt. =20 The same day a bit earlier I had a chance to jam with Bill Prichard (http://www.timespacemusic.com/) which was a lot of fun, too! No = recordings available yet though. =20 I would like to thank Joe and Bill for taking their time for these = sessions and also Rick and Bill Walker who organized the Y2K5 which made these = side improvs possible in the first place! =20 Earlier this year (after the Zurich loopfestival) Per and I did a = session which was way too much fun. This will become a CD eventually. I'll keep = you posted. =20 Sunao Inami's upcoming LD3 compilation contains an earlier cooperation = with Per and I. =20 Last year Mike Bearpark spontaneously agreed to jam after the Cambridge Loopfestival which was great! Mike mastered the CD and it was published = by Burning Shed (http://pedaltone.com). =20 Also the SYNCED! CDR (http://nosuch.biz/illt) is a session (with Sunao = Inami and Rick Walker) which I particularly enjoyed. =20 ...by now the pattern should be obvious, I think, so if you're close to Zurich or passing by, please contact me and I'll try to arrange = something. =20 Thank you Bernhard http://nosuch.biz =20 -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com]=20 Sent: Samstag, 29. Oktober 2005 18:24 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bernhard Wagner/Joe Rut duet =20 Hi all! In a message dated 10/28/05 8:50:06 PM, khartung@cableone.net writes: http://www.joerut.com/music.html I just tried to go to your link and got the following: "Not Found The requested URL /music.html/ was not found on this server" Is there something I am doing wrong? Best regards, tEd R kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C5DF1A.B13F0C10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

A = little bit dated, but anyway…

 

I think the = problem is the trailing slash after music.html (check the error message quoted = below).

If you enter the = url as quoted by kris it should work.

 

I had a lot of = fun jamming with Joe and I hope the fun and also the serene atmosphere of = Joe's loft comes across in the posted mp3 excerpt.

 

The same day a = bit earlier I had a chance to jam with Bill Prichard  = (http://www.timespacemusic.com/)  which was a lot of fun, too! No recordings available yet = though.

 

I would like to = thank Joe and Bill for taking their time for these sessions and also Rick and Bill = Walker who organized the Y2K5 which made these side improvs possible in the = first place!

 

Earlier this = year (after the Zurich loopfestival) Per and I did a session = which was way too much fun. This will become a CD eventually. I'll keep you = posted.

 

Sunao = Inami's upcoming LD3 compilation contains an = earlier cooperation with Per and I.

 

Last year = Mike Bearpark spontaneously agreed to jam after the Cambridge = Loopfestival which was great! Mike mastered the CD and it was published by Burning = Shed (http://pedaltone.com).

 

Also the SYNCED! = CDR (http://nosuch.biz/illt) is a session (with Sunao Inami = and Rick Walker) which I particularly enjoyed.

 

...by now the = pattern should be obvious, I think, so if you're close to Zurich or passing by, = please contact me and I'll try to arrange something.

 

Thank = you

Bernhard

http://nosuch.biz=

 

-----Original Message-----
From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com]
Sent: Samstag, 29. = Oktober 2005 18:24
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-del= ight.com
Subject: Re: Bernhard = Wagner/Joe Rut duet

 

Hi all!

In a message dated 10/28/05= 8:50:06 PM, khartung@cableone.net = writes:


http://www.joeru= t.com/music.html


I just tried to go to your link and got the following:

"Not Found
The requested URL /music.html/ was not found on this server"

Is there something I am doing wrong?

Best regards,

tEd ® kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple = iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, = yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

------=_NextPart_000_007A_01C5DF1A.B13F0C10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 18:34:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5BF73BF2A; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:34:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions Zurrigo, Matt Davignon, and Atomic Mobius Machine) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:33:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcXfEnShHw5n3FUwQ2a30plGC3AKYgAACMxg In-Reply-To: <007801c5df11$fa3a9af0$2101a8c0@alhambra> X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:33:34 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.122.32 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <20051101183417.346CC3BEFC@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:34:18 +0000 (UTC) > From: Bernhard Wagner LD [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] > Yeppers, can do. Sorry I haven't done anything on it yet... heroes !! -michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 18:42:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B9803BF1D; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:42:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <031301c5df13$f4471900$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <007801c5df11$fa3a9af0$2101a8c0@alhambra> Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions Zurrigo, Matt Davignon, and Atomic Mobius Machine) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:42:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 368, in=156204, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <1w6u1.A.U7E._b7ZDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:42:08 +0000 (UTC) Ask and you shall recieve! http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5_Recordings.htm Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 11:27 AM Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions Zurrigo, Matt Davignon, and Atomic Mobius Machine) Yeppers, can do. Sorry I haven't done anything on it yet... B. -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Dienstag, 1. November 2005 18:28 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions Zurrigo, Matt Davignon, and Atomic Mobius Machine) I can do this, but I think Bernhard would going to add them to the Y2K5 page. I agree, this would be most convenient. Bernhard, I know you are swamped with other things now, so I'll create the HTML code for you as an standalone page, and you can upload it to the Y2K5 page, linking to it at the top, or in place of the web streaming section. Cool? Exect a file from me in the next few hours. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Peters To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 10:22 AM Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions Zurrigo, Matt Davignon, and Atomic Mobius Machine) I'd still love to have all these URLs on a webpage. Also, streaming mp3s (using m3u files) would be nice. -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 18:45:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C834E3BF3C; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:45:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=iLOg1gWpNFAMmz7tw3MTNlLLXkZX8AlfZqtMX50sN8hbnKNHmpdtn9fLTyyQTWf8; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220051121184723960@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New Golden Age of Tubes Re: The End of Timeless Instruments? (Craig Anderton editorial) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 13:47:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9404a66e2b4bc7fb236ab27a257be8194da350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.172 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:45:53 +0000 (UTC) Luckily we are in the New Golden Age of Tubes, with demand AND supply rising, thanks to Russia and China. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Adrian Likins > To: > Date: 11/1/2005 1:11:24 PM > Subject: Re: The End of Timeless Instruments? (Craig Anderton editorial) > > goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > >>TUBES are probably the most important sound factors 'in my world'.<< > > > > I agree. I would use more tube-based kit if I possibly could. at the > > moment, I have a couple of valve tape decks in the studio, while on > > stage both I & my guitarist use valve heads (he has marshalls & fenders, > > I play my basses through an old orange 120). > > > > it's all about even-order harmonic distortion vs the odd-order variety > > one gets from silicon-based life-forms.... > > Of course, it wasn't that long ago that the future of tubes looked in > doubt, as the suppliers all started drying up. > > Adrian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 19:03:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EEEF3BF1B; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:03:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <035801c5df16$e7061fe0$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <007801c5df11$fa3a9af0$2101a8c0@alhambra> <031301c5df13$f4471900$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions Zurrigo, Matt Davignon, and Atomic Mobius Machine) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:03:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 369, in=167370, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <5_ceuC.A.8-F.yv7ZDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:03:14 +0000 (UTC) Also, FYI, I still have MP3 files ready to be published from Rainer's stream recordings, from the following: Amar Adam Ant the Plumber Dark Numbers Pushing Air Genie Ryusei Hattori Transient Trey Donovan Wally Shnalle If you want your set published, or want to hear it first, just send me a note. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 11:42 AM Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions Zurrigo, Matt Davignon, and Atomic Mobius Machine) > Ask and you shall recieve! > > http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5_Recordings.htm > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 11:27 AM > Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions Zurrigo, Matt > Davignon, and Atomic Mobius Machine) > > > Yeppers, can do. Sorry I haven't done anything on it yet... > B. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Dienstag, 1. November 2005 18:28 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions Zurrigo, Matt > Davignon, and Atomic Mobius Machine) > > I can do this, but I think Bernhard would going to add them to the Y2K5 > page. I agree, this would be most convenient. > > Bernhard, I know you are swamped with other things now, so I'll create the > HTML code for you as an standalone page, and you can upload it to the Y2K5 > page, linking to it at the top, or in place of the web streaming section. > Cool? > > Exect a file from me in the next few hours. > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael Peters > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 10:22 AM > Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions Zurrigo, Matt > Davignon, and Atomic Mobius Machine) > > I'd still love to have all these URLs on a webpage. Also, streaming mp3s > (using m3u files) would be nice. > > -Michael > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 19:45:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 922AD3BF37; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:45:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:45:20 -0800 Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions Zurrigo, Matt Davignon, and Atomic Mobius Machine) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <031301c5df13$f4471900$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-Id: <093C6155-4B10-11DA-BD31-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:45:24 +0000 (UTC) On Tuesday, November 1, 2005, at 10:42 AM, Kris Hartung wrote: > Ask and you shall recieve! > > http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5_Recordings.htm Kris, I just wanted to give a big thanks in your direction for making all of these great sounds available. For those of us who couldn't make the trip to Y2K5, It's really wonderful to hear some of the great music that happened. I've been really inspired and impressed by the range of the performances! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 19:48:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25F153BF2A; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:48:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <037801c5df1d$2901b2f0$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <093C6155-4B10-11DA-BD31-000A95A5D158@peak.org> Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions Zurrigo, Matt Davignon, and Atomic Mobius Machine) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 12:47:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 366, in=152018, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:48:02 +0000 (UTC) It has been my pleasure. I really enjoyed recording everyone, and I learned a lot that will compell me to do things differently, if Rick invites me back next year for Y2K6! :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Trenkel" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:45 PM Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions Zurrigo, Matt Davignon, and Atomic Mobius Machine) > On Tuesday, November 1, 2005, at 10:42 AM, Kris Hartung wrote: > > > Ask and you shall recieve! > > > > http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5_Recordings.htm > > Kris, I just wanted to give a big thanks in your direction for making > all of these great sounds available. For those of us who couldn't make > the trip to Y2K5, It's really wonderful to hear some of the great music > that happened. I've been really inspired and impressed by the range of > the performances! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 20:35:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE6EA3BF25; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:35:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:35:18 -0400 Subject: Re: Musical places/venues in London? From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Musical places/venues in London? Thread-Index: AcXfI8V7A9CrsksXEdqaHwAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <17RdxB.A.3kB.JG9ZDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:35:21 +0000 (UTC) Hey daniel. =20 If you haven't become acquainted with Steve Lawson yet, or his music, pleas= e do so by following this link. http://www.steve-lawson.co.uk/home.shtml He is very generous person and a fantastic musician and I'm sure could give you a few venues to check out in london. He just started a looping series of his own as well. He does lurk here as well, but I'm not sure he would have seen your post yet. Contact him through his website after checking out his music... All best on your educational visit to london. I for one am a fan of the music from YOUR neck of the woods. All best to you, Todd =20 On 11/1/05 9:00 AM, "Daniel Fredriksson" wrote: > Hey, my name is Daniel Fredriksson, I'm a musician from the north of > Sweden. I'm not a looper yet, but plan to get in to it. I'm into > experimental music and folk/worldmusic. >=20 > This might be a little OT, but I hope it's OK. > I'm going to London tomorrow, sort an educational visit. I have one > day of and will go and spread some cd:s around the town. Sort of > promos for my solostuff and also for a band called Godrun. >=20 > Does anyone have suggestions to venues that would book an as yet > unsigned band from Sweden if they really like the music? Godrun plays > rock/punkmusic with a worldmusic-touch and backtrack throuch an MPC. > Also booking agencys/record labels/festival etc is interesting. >=20 > Actually, any other suggestions for places of musical interest in > London I would be thankful for! >=20 > Thanks a bunch! >=20 > Daniel Fredriksson > daniel@silkwood.se > www.silkwood.se >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com http://www.ethelcentral.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 21:05:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02A433BF25; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 21:05:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4367D906.8090004@Hevanet.com> Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 13:07:18 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions Zurrigo, Matt Davignon, and Atomic Mobius Machine) References: <023f01c5def9$00c2b330$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <023f01c5def9$00c2b330$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 21:05:53 +0000 (UTC) At: Intrigue 19 - *http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137274.html* I click play this file through box.net and it doesn't play. I think I HAVE had these play in the past, though. Should it work? Nice, not having to have to download the whole thing that way... Thanks...man, there's some great sounds you've documented!! Listening to them, and all the recent discussion about technique is so very valuable... .David. Kris Hartung wrote: > *Phil Zurrigo* > > Intrigue 19 - *http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137274.html* > LGM 12 - *http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137275.html* > Virtuet Y - *http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137277.html* > Virtuet Z - *http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137721.html* > > *Matt Davignon - **http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1149272.html* > ** > *Atomic Mo(...)* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 21:15:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 642153BF33; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 21:15:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4367DB4E.7010304@Hevanet.com> Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 13:17:02 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Programming the Behringer FCB1010 for Echoplex use, a quick guide References: <0IP700MXZ6B27AWL@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 21:15:34 +0000 (UTC) I'm curious if anyone is controlling both the EDP and Repeater with the FCB. Care to share how you have the presets configured? I have a few banks set up, but need to do some "housecleaning" in there for more conciseness, less duplication. One issue is I have both Ex Pedals tied up for Repeater, and need to free one for EDP Volume and Feedback control. Fun I've been having: pre-set Repeater for Reverse, then one FCB Preset starts both EDP and Repeater recording, with another tap for the loop to begin. Then I tap another Preset to Forward Repeater, so I have both forward and backward going simultaneously... .David. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 21:16:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F4833BF36; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 21:16:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <038a01c5df29$8d973f80$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <023f01c5def9$00c2b330$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4367D906.8090004@Hevanet.com> Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions Zurrigo, Matt Davignon, and Atomic Mobius Machine) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:16:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 369, in=167529, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 21:16:45 +0000 (UTC) The system may be geared toward windows media player. Do you have another player set as your default player? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: ".David.Auker." To: Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 2:07 PM Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions Zurrigo, Matt Davignon, and Atomic Mobius Machine) > At: Intrigue 19 - *http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137274.html* I > click play this file through box.net > > and it doesn't play. I think I HAVE had these play in the past, > though. Should it work? Nice, not having to have to download the whole > thing that way... > > Thanks...man, there's some great sounds you've documented!! Listening > to them, and all the recent discussion about technique is so very > valuable... > > .David. > > > Kris Hartung wrote: > > > *Phil Zurrigo* > > > > Intrigue 19 - *http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137274.html* > > LGM 12 - *http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137275.html* > > Virtuet Y - *http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137277.html* > > Virtuet Z - *http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137721.html* > > > > *Matt Davignon - **http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1149272.html* > > ** > > *Atomic Mo(...)* > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 21:44:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AA3E3BF3D; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 21:44:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Zbf7uN0GU6FDix91z0QwiaCT+Px4Eali1v059kmAQTImnyt2wHTYkC0ru4CfTI3GZK6vLtxPaXIS3Tc0pHnnbVQ2Rdco3A3DdlkKnv+isBIHXBGsfZn/QezvikwbgrGl7VEUO+ma43iIhehZWaIH49BRbQxTowcjlw56QVvAlJc= ; Message-ID: <20051101214431.84313.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 13:44:30 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: The End of Timeless Instruments? (Craig Anderton editorial) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 21:44:31 +0000 (UTC) I wonder what generation will have the arguement "Oh it was so much better before we had direct to brain implants to listen to music." I hope I'm there. Until then Travis, check out a Sidstation from Elektron. I have their MONOMACHINE and I love it. (also with C64 emulation) Expensive gear but so quirky and cool, you'll dig it. Mark --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > And then the Iron Curtain fell and tubes were > plentiful. Plus, Chinese > tubes. I'm not sure I can find a C64 emulator > that'll run my old sequencer > software and address my real-world MIDI port > though... > TravisH __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 21:48:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE74E3BF40; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 21:48:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=eqsSkFZL4+qBpQuymiRRvWjy7fcoT+9MkwxNZ8w5bOhcbnGRdbqMyQnahCY7BK2uDu6lojLh5ycE0bPp/p02QZhFTr/AkUwGZCEhG1bKDpL5Bj1c28UxXcgwWptJLHIDRLl6eBQ5WTT2bHlAP3fi1dZbaOOdmS3Vne8BiI7plUs= ; Message-ID: <20051101214820.85181.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 13:48:20 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Programming the Behringer FCB1010 for Echoplex use, a quick guide To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4367DB4E.7010304@Hevanet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 21:48:22 +0000 (UTC) Hey David, I am also considering doing "cleansing" by connecting an additional foot controller to only control my preamp and effects,then a second one only for the Repeater and EDP.I am sending all kinds of MIDI comands to both loopers plus efx processor and when i do a lot of stomping they sometimes react weird,specially the repeater.I also could access presets and put them into the loops quicker than scrolling to the Banks. just curious,is anybody here using more than one Foot controller? cheers Luis --- ".David.Auker." wrote: > I'm curious if anyone is controlling both the EDP > and Repeater with the > FCB. Care to share how you have the presets > configured? > > I have a few banks set up, but need to do some > "housecleaning" in there > for more conciseness, less duplication. One issue > is I have both Ex > Pedals tied up for Repeater, and need to free one > for EDP Volume and > Feedback control. > > Fun I've been having: pre-set Repeater for Reverse, > then one FCB Preset > starts both EDP and Repeater recording, with another > tap for the loop to > begin. Then I tap another Preset to Forward > Repeater, so I have both > forward and backward going simultaneously... > > .David. > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 21:57:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B45923BF44; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 21:57:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=jXuupW/5XEzL/XOlP3cReXRDmEIYjowv0Tuy2/mx/dwwbo7u78HqWLcnLmMk0dGVYwrcNR332NICj+wxMXSWWkvlL1R+p8kt5YZ4SOIoTccUFy/f2UuBFzmEPov4tsdXBkGYPdQbF5j0EPCsX/919fDesWACI3OyClz5NGvXs00= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 13:57:07 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The End of Timeless Instruments? (Craig Anderton editorial) In-Reply-To: <20051101214431.84313.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_53265_19301731.1130882227760" References: <20051101214431.84313.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5AMl7C.A.ljE.0S-ZDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 21:57:08 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_53265_19301731.1130882227760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline The Sidstation looks to be a thousand dollar bit of dedicated hardware. I'm looking for a software emulator to run my C-64 music programs that supports MIDI in and out, for free. TravisH On 11/1/05, mark sottilaro wrote: > > I wonder what generation will have the arguement "Oh > it was so much better before we had direct to brain > implants to listen to music." I hope I'm there. > > Until then Travis, check out a Sidstation from > Elektron. I have their MONOMACHINE and I love it. > (also with C64 emulation) Expensive gear but so > quirky and cool, you'll dig it. > > Mark > > --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > > > And then the Iron Curtain fell and tubes were > > plentiful. Plus, Chinese > > tubes. I'm not sure I can find a C64 emulator > > that'll run my old sequencer > > software and address my real-world MIDI port > > though... > > TravisH > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. > http://farechase.yahoo.com > > ------=_Part_53265_19301731.1130882227760 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
The Sidstation looks to be a thousand dollar bit of dedicated hardware= .  I'm looking for a software emulator to run my C-64 music programs t= hat supports MIDI in and out, for free.
 
TravisH

 
On 11/1/05, = mark sottilaro <zerocr= ossing2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
I wonder what generation will ha= ve the arguement "Oh
it was so much better before we had direct to = brain
implants to listen to music."  I hope I'm there.

= Until then Travis, check out a Sidstation from
Elektron.  I ha= ve their MONOMACHINE and I love it.
(also with C64 emulation)  = ;Expensive gear but so
quirky and cool, you'll dig it.

Mark

--- Travis Hartnett <= travishartnett@gmail.com>= ; wrote:

> And then the Iron Curtain fell and tubes were
> = plentiful. Plus, Chinese
> tubes. I'm not sure I can find a C64 emulator
> that'll run = my old sequencer
> software and address my real-world MIDI port
&g= t; though...
>  TravisH



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------=_Part_53265_19301731.1130882227760-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 22:33:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2586F3BF3E; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:33:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4367ED7F.80409@Hevanet.com> Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 14:34:39 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Programming the Behringer FCB1010 for Echoplex use, a quick guide References: <20051101214820.85181.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051101214820.85181.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5O2EAC.A.05F.n0-ZDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:33:12 +0000 (UTC) Luis, when you say: >I am sending all kinds of MIDI >comands to both loopers plus efx processor and when i >do a lot of stomping they sometimes react >weird,specially the repeater. > I was getting some Repeater tempo-fluctuation while it and EDP ran...I set Repeater Sync to User, and it seems ok. (I am not intentionally syncing clock on the units...at this time in my MIDI abilities, anyway!). They, of course, have a MIDI cable connecting, for FCB control of both, but are on different MIDI channels. I guess Clock data doesn't need the same channel, however...(?). Overdubbingly, David Luis Angulo wrote: >Hey David, >I am also considering doing "cleansing" by connecting >an additional foot controller to only control my >preamp and effects,then a second one only for the >Repeater and EDP.I am sending all kinds of MIDI >comands to both loopers plus efx processor and when i >do a lot of stomping they sometimes react >weird,specially the repeater.I also could access >presets and put them into the loops quicker than >scrolling to the Banks. >just curious,is anybody here using more than one Foot >controller? >cheers >Luis > > > >--- ".David.Auker." wrote: > > > >>I'm curious if anyone is controlling both the EDP >>and Repeater with the >>FCB. Care to share how you have the presets >>configured? >> >>I have a few banks set up, but need to do some >>"housecleaning" in there >>for more conciseness, less duplication. One issue >>is I have both Ex >>Pedals tied up for Repeater, and need to free one >>for EDP Volume and >>Feedback control. >> >>Fun I've been having: pre-set Repeater for Reverse, >>then one FCB Preset >>starts both EDP and Repeater recording, with another >>tap for the loop to >>begin. Then I tap another Preset to Forward >>Repeater, so I have both >>forward and backward going simultaneously... >> >>.David. >> >> >> >> > > >www.luis-angulo.com > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. >http://farechase.yahoo.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 22:34:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4D113BF4A; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:34:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4367EDE7.50402@Hevanet.com> Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 14:36:23 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions Zurrigo, Matt Davignon, and Atomic Mobius Machine) References: <023f01c5def9$00c2b330$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4367D906.8090004@Hevanet.com> <038a01c5df29$8d973f80$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <038a01c5df29$8d973f80$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:34:58 +0000 (UTC) I don't get any player opening, just the Webpage saying I can play it thru box.net, so it sounds like a player doesn't need to open?? David Kris Hartung wrote: >The system may be geared toward windows media player. Do you have another >player set as your default player? > >Kris > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: ".David.Auker." >To: >Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 2:07 PM >Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions Zurrigo, Matt >Davignon, and Atomic Mobius Machine) > > > > >>At: Intrigue 19 - *http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137274.html* I >>click play this file through box.net >> >> >> >in=khartung&music=1> > > >>and it doesn't play. I think I HAVE had these play in the past, >>though. Should it work? Nice, not having to have to download the whole >>thing that way... >> >>Thanks...man, there's some great sounds you've documented!! Listening >>to them, and all the recent discussion about technique is so very >>valuable... >> >>.David. >> >> >>Kris Hartung wrote: >> >> >> >>>*Phil Zurrigo* >>> >>>Intrigue 19 - *http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137274.html* >>>LGM 12 - *http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137275.html* >>>Virtuet Y - *http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137277.html* >>>Virtuet Z - *http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137721.html* >>> >>>*Matt Davignon - **http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1149272.html* >>>** >>>*Atomic Mo(...)* >>> >>> >> >> > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 1 22:43:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E76243BEF1; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:43:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03d501c5df35$9be453a0$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <023f01c5def9$00c2b330$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4367D906.8090004@Hevanet.com> <038a01c5df29$8d973f80$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4367EDE7.50402@Hevanet.com> Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions Zurrigo, Matt Davignon, and Atomic Mobius Machine) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 15:42:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 366, in=152213, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:43:03 +0000 (UTC) That's right. You can click on the large text title to download, or the small text "play this file through box.net" to stream it there from the page. It will not pop up windows media player, but show a small control panel on the screen. I'm not sure what they are using to do that, whether it is based on Windows Media player, or what. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: ".David.Auker." To: Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 3:36 PM Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions Zurrigo, Matt Davignon, and Atomic Mobius Machine) > I don't get any player opening, just the Webpage saying I can play it > thru box.net, so it sounds like a player doesn't need to open?? > > David > > > Kris Hartung wrote: > > >The system may be geared toward windows media player. Do you have another > >player set as your default player? > > > >Kris > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: ".David.Auker." > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 2:07 PM > >Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions Zurrigo, Matt > >Davignon, and Atomic Mobius Machine) > > > > > > > > > >>At: Intrigue 19 - *http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137274.html* I > >>click play this file through box.net > >> > >> > >> > > >in=khartung&music=1> > > > > > >>and it doesn't play. I think I HAVE had these play in the past, > >>though. Should it work? Nice, not having to have to download the whole > >>thing that way... > >> > >>Thanks...man, there's some great sounds you've documented!! Listening > >>to them, and all the recent discussion about technique is so very > >>valuable... > >> > >>.David. > >> > >> > >>Kris Hartung wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>*Phil Zurrigo* > >>> > >>>Intrigue 19 - *http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137274.html* > >>>LGM 12 - *http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137275.html* > >>>Virtuet Y - *http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137277.html* > >>>Virtuet Z - *http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1137721.html* > >>> > >>>*Matt Davignon - **http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1149272.html* > >>>** > >>>*Atomic Mo(...)* > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 00:42:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 108BF3BF3F; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 00:42:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 19:42:31 -0500 From: Clint Goss Subject: Overtone Track To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <0IPA0079UXYXMMFJ@mta6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcXfRk7GkTMvCxtnSa2ObHw3d8xoxA== Resent-Message-ID: <6rU1LC.A.KmC._tAaDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 00:42:39 +0000 (UTC) Hi All - New flute / new track: http://goss.rho.net/overtone (7.5 meg) It's actually the head of a big-bore Native American Flute made by Leonard McGann that I stuck 11 feet of 1.5" pvc pipe on. This makes it a cousin of the Slovakian fujara (see www.fujara.sk), but an octave lower. Recorded live to stereo through a Lexicon PCM81 and dual EDPs. Two Neumann U87 microphones were used: one at the head/nest area of the flute is recorded purely on the left track, and one at the foot of the flute is purely on the right track. - Clint Goss Email: clint@goss.com Web: www.goss.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 02:59:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 416FF3BF2F; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 02:59:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Digitech RDS series schematics/service manuals? Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 20:59:05 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 02:59:10 +0000 (UTC) does anyone have service manuals and/or schematics for any of the Digitech RDS units? thanks, --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 03:08:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADB333BF3F; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 03:08:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <410-220051121184723960@earthlink.net> References: <410-220051121184723960@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <03d51226eeed2063d2627fd8d077e31e@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: New Golden Age of Tubes Re: The End of Timeless Instruments? (Craig Anderton editorial) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 21:07:59 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 03:08:00 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 1, 2005, at 12:47 PM, Timothy Mungenast wrote: > Luckily we are in the New Golden Age of Tubes, with demand AND supply > rising, thanks to Russia and China. yeah but no one (not even the yugoslavs) are making tubes like Mullard and Telefunken did. or old GE or Sylvania tubes. i've used new Svetlana 6550s in my Leslie, and taken them out to put the 50 year old Tung Sols back in. but yes, there are a nice supply of new preamp, amp, and rectifier tubes. now if someone can just add OC3 gas regulators and start making them _well_ then we'll talk about a new golden age of tubes. new octal preamp tubes would be nice but i don't see that ever happening. in the meantime, i'd call it "a period of plentiful supply and demand of tubes" instead. but hey, maybe i'm juts a grumpy old man. or maybe i just spent all afternoon boxing and labeling my tube stash: http://suitandtieguy.com/sights/stg_workbench_102005a.jpg --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 03:35:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF51E3BF38; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 03:35:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=JowsZtdtmkRAjj7rDIzMNJEoIJiE9Ty5dtaXlzowGZdX/QsLWC9WLeOJqJJ7iOcwc/C2xE/8CjeXNTqY9YINfSgK5jG6pJARX1ruE0WV5eCUB+QlCqh65eULSAGsg9gb7CiaS8QvGduz7nMeDuL7HnkPbWOL/p9zDiPyGI8KD7E= Message-ID: <2fb9e4730511011935o44a04d75j3a6a0b7fa349f018@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:35:21 -0500 From: Clint Allen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: (OT) Roland XP-80 Battery MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9094_32889477.1130902521154" Resent-Message-ID: <3_nwjD.A.z3.6PDaDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 03:35:22 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_9094_32889477.1130902521154 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi all... Does anyone know a good resource for replacement batteries for the Roland XP-80? (Other than Roland US Support, I mean...) Thanks in advance! Clint Allen P.S. Sorry for my low profile as of the past several months. I know I have been bad about answering emails from some of you and staying in contact. My Carpal-Tunnel has been insanely painful and discouraging and I have unfortunately not been able to pick up the Chapman Stick in quite a while. Surgery is right around the corner though and hopefully the recovery will b= e quick and I'll be back into it soon thereafter. ------=_Part_9094_32889477.1130902521154 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi all...

Does anyone know a good resource for replacement batteries for the Roland X= P-80? (Other than Roland US Support, I mean...)

Thanks in advance!

Clint Allen


P.S.
Sorry for my low profile as of the past several months. I know I have been bad about answering emails from some of you and staying in contact. My Carpal-Tunnel has been insanely painful and discouraging and I have unfortunately not been able to pick up the Chapman Stick in quite a while. Surgery is right around the corner though and hopefully the recovery will be quick and I'll be back into it soon thereafter.

------=_Part_9094_32889477.1130902521154-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 05:13:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E796F3BF2F; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 05:13:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <2fb9e4730511011935o44a04d75j3a6a0b7fa349f018@mail.gmail.com> References: <2fb9e4730511011935o44a04d75j3a6a0b7fa349f018@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <951ee69da2d3710087ee9f6eb1bb9640@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: (OT) Roland XP-80 Battery Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 23:13:26 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 05:13:30 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 1, 2005, at 9:35 PM, Clint Allen wrote: > Does anyone know a good resource for replacement batteries for the > Roland XP-80? (Other than Roland US Support, I mean...) if it's the same as the JV series battery it should be available at Wal-Mart at 3am, and user-replaceable because they had the good sense to put it in a battery holder. my DX-100 and Juno-6 however had soldered batteries. total bitch. i would open it up and see if it's in a battery holder, then take it out (noting the polarity), and go battery shopping at your preferred retailer of choice. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 05:31:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71C003BF41; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 05:31:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <027401c5df6e$aa7d9280$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 21:31:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 05:31:24 +0000 (UTC) Kris wrote: "It has been my pleasure. I really enjoyed recording everyone, and I learned a lot that will compell me to do things differently, if Rick invites me back next year for Y2K6! :)" Invite you back? I'm going to have a f*cking bronze statue of you erected and placed in the town square after everything you did for this community this year, Kris!!!!!! Invite you back? You are damned tooting I'm inviting you back. Thanks for the wonderful work........................and thanks, Bernhard for putting all this up at the www.loopfestival.com/y2k5/ site. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 05:38:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D55A53BF42; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 05:38:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <027b01c5df6f$b681c910$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Y2K5 mini review Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 21:38:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 05:38:52 +0000 (UTC) Wow, here is a review that a guy just posted at tribe.net upon hearing my y2k5 piece for Halloween voice changer and plastic corrugated straw: What an incredibly haunting and bizarre piece of music. Almost like a robotic alien pod of whales communicating over vast distances of space using 8bit sonar frequences. Great! That's one of the best reviews I"ve ever gotten. I feel honored, Rick Walker Pod 873 Communications Officer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 13:24:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E1523BF2A; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 13:24:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6.2J rev3 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 22:24:08 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: OT: NEW RELEASE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 13:24:28 +0000 (UTC) Hi LD, New release information form C.U.E.records,Kobe Japan. C.U.E.COMPILATION 3 released. The 3rd compilation from C.U.E. records,it includes Scanner(U.K.), Morgan Fisher (U.K. ex. Mott the Hoople), Anla Courtis(Reynols from Argentina) and Japanese electronic/experimental/improvised artists. 14 artists total, over 68min. Details available below: C.U.E.COMPILATION 3 English http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/shop/merchandise/cue_records_label/qcd-c3/c3_e.html Japanese http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/shop/merchandise/cue_records_label/qcd-c3/c3_j.html price is US$16 (incl.world wide shipping),Paypal accepted. and previous our compilations,other releases and distribution information available,please visit C.U.E. records site: http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/shop/ also,please visit another one my own label &distribution ,electr-ohm site : http://www.cavestudio.com/electr-ohm Regards Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 14:09:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C8123BF26; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 14:09:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <049501c5dfb7$0478c500$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions from Bill Walker) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 07:09:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 32, in=18582, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 14:09:25 +0000 (UTC) New additions from Bill Walker added now: http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5_Recordings.htm Bill Walker (electric guitar) Part One - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1165178.html Part Two - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1165179.html Part Three - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1165181.html Part Four - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1165180.html Today, I'll get around to creating a menu at the top of the web page with jump links. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 14:57:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A10173BF26; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 14:57:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1c5.3431845c.309a2dde@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:57:34 EST Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions from Bill Walker) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1c5.3431845c.309a2dde_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: YES Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 14:57:43 +0000 (UTC) --part1_1c5.3431845c.309a2dde_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kris, In a message dated 11/2/05 6:09:37 AM, khartung@cableone.net writes: > Today, I'll get around to creating a menu at the top of the web page with=20 > jump links. >=20 I must say, you efforts with all of this stuff have been truly amazing. Than= k=20 you, not just for myself, but for all of us who performed at Y2K5 and whose music you've uploaded and posted without any compensation whatsoever. You da man! Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn PS: Dyslexia, Dysphasia, Dysplasia "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_1c5.3431845c.309a2dde_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kris,

In a message dated 11/2/05 6:09:37 AM, khartung@cableone.net writes:

Today, I'll get aroun= d to creating a menu at the top of the web page with jump links.

I must say, you efforts with all of this stuff have been truly amazing. Than= k you,
not just for myself, but for all of us who performed at Y2K5 and whose music=
you've uploaded and posted without any compensation whatsoever. You da man!<= BR>
Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

PS: Dyslexia, Dysphasia, Dysplasia

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_1c5.3431845c.309a2dde_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 16:11:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE0233BF45; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:11:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <22f.2c8188.309a3f0d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 11:10:53 EST Subject: Re: Y2K5 mini review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:11:08 +0000 (UTC) In a message dated 11/1/05 9:39:13 PM, looppool@cruzio.com writes: << my y2k5 piece for Halloween voice changer and plastic corrugated straw: What an incredibly haunting and bizarre piece of music. Almost like a robotic alien pod of whales communicating over vast distances of space using 8bit sonar frequences. Great! >> Hi Rick! any chance you could put up somewhere a lo-fi clip of the piece for those of us with slow modems and cranky old near obsolete browsers? I'd love to hear it. cheers BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/cr25j From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 16:17:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 069093BF54; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:17:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <056001c5dfc8$daa16270$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: 1st Annual Boise Festival for Experimental Music - Calling Local Musicians for Virtual Auditions Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 09:16:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_055D_01C5DF8E.2D6FAA10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.000000 Possible url forgery/scam=2.0 X-UrlForgery: (http://www.krispenhartung.com) (http://www.krispenhartung.com<) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 367, in=152603, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:17:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_055D_01C5DF8E.2D6FAA10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just a FYI, on what I'm coordinating here in Boise, Idaho (USA) for the = Spring of '06. Cheers, Kris ***************************************************** Greeting Boise Musicians! This is the first communication of several for the "1st Annual Boise = Festival for Experimental Music." This event will occur in the Spring of '06, mostly likely the end of = April at a major venue in the down town area. I have tentative confirmations from out of state veteran experimental = musicians to headline this event for the Friday kickoff. The main festival on Saturday will include performances = from 9 musicians, and my intent is to include intermissions featuring experimental film, poetry, visual art, = and other forms of avant-garde and experimental=20 art. http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/=20 This site will include more details on venue, exact date, etc in the = next month. Please contact me directly if you want a PDF version of this flyer or a = copy of my 9-page draft project plan.=20 Any help in distributing the flyer would be greatly appreciated. Once I = complete the project plan, I will also be asking for local volunteers (12+ individuals) to be a part of = the logistics, technical, and event coordination team. Kris Hartung info@krispenhartung.com http://www.krispenhartung.com 208-724-5603 home / artists / venues / performance logistics /submittals / schedule genre samples & guidelines / contacts / links 1st Annual Boise Festival for Experimental Music Spring '06=20 Mission Statement The purpose of this music festival is to 1) promote and educate = experimental and avant-garde music in the Boise and surrounding Treasure = Valley, 2) provide an annual venue for local experimental musicians to = express their art amongst their peers and potential experimental music = enthusiasts, and 3) foster local artistic diversity, awareness, and fair = representation of unusual and avant-garde forms of art.=20 Traditionally, the Boise and surrounding Treasure Valley has been = a predominantly conservative-minded area in the Northwest, and this = mindset tends manifest itself in the types of music that become the = focal points for music listeners and the media. This mindset is of no = fault of the Boise community, but is a natural consequence (to name a = just few sources) of the demographics of the area, the geographical = location of Boise in the Northwest, economic pressures on venue owners = to cater to public taste, and the overall philosophies of those who = promote and foster musical diversity in the area. As a result, with = exception of an occasional world-fusion, art rock, looping, or = out-of-state performance, the music scene in Boise has evolved to be = somewhat monolithic from a genre perspective, fostering and continuing = to foster styles of music such as country, pop, classic and modern rock, = traditional jazz, punk, folk/folk-rock, and classical. This is not to = say that there are no radical experimental musicians in Boise; rather, = there simply aren't ample opportunities for them to perform, gather, and = share their art. The 1st Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival is just one of = many potential vehicles that serve to proactively and Positively = supplement Boise's artistic cultural diversity. It is a focused and = collaborative effort to celebrate a music genre that is very much alive = and thriving in cities around the globe, and has been in existence in = various forms since the 1950's.=20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_055D_01C5DF8E.2D6FAA10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just a FYI, on what I'm coordinating = here in Boise,=20 Idaho (USA) for the Spring of '06.
 
Cheers,

Kris
 
*****************************************************
Greeting Boise Musicians!
 
This is the first communication of = several for the=20 "1st Annual Boise Festival for Experimental Music."
This event will occur in the Spring of = '06, mostly=20 likely the end of April at a major venue in the down town = area.
I have tentative confirmations from out = of state=20 veteran experimental musicians to headline this event for = the
Friday kickoff.  The main festival = on Saturday=20 will include performances from 9 musicians, and my intent is = to
include intermissions featuring experimental film, poetry, visual art, and other = forms of=20 avant-garde and experimental
art.
 

This site will include more details on venue, exact = date, etc=20 in the next month.
 
Please contact me directly if you want a PDF version of this flyer = or a=20 copy of my 9-page draft project plan.
Any help in distributing the flyer would be greatly = appreciated.  Once=20 I complete the project plan, I will
also be asking for local volunteers (12+ individuals) to be a part = of the=20 logistics, technical, and event coordination
team.
 
Kris Hartung
info@krispenhartung.com
http://www.krispenhartung.com<= /FONT>
208-724-5603
 
 

home = / = artists=20 / venues=20 / performance=20 logistics /submittals=20 / schedule
genre=20 samples & guidelines / contacts=20 / links


1st=20 Annual Boise Festival
for Experimental=20 Music
Spring '06=20

Mission Statement

The purpose of this music festival is to 1) promote and = educate=20 experimental and avant-garde music in the Boise and surrounding = Treasure=20 Valley, 2) provide an annual venue for local experimental = musicians to=20 express their art amongst their peers and potential experimental = music=20 enthusiasts, and 3) foster local artistic diversity, awareness, = and fair=20 representation of unusual and avant-garde forms of art. =

Traditionally, the Boise and surrounding Treasure Valley = has been a=20 predominantly conservative-minded area in the Northwest, and this = mindset=20 tends manifest itself in the types of music that become the focal = points=20 for music listeners and the media. This mindset is of no fault of = the=20 Boise community, but is a natural consequence (to name a just few = sources)=20 of the demographics of the area, the geographical location of = Boise in the=20 Northwest, economic pressures on venue owners to cater to public = taste,=20 and the overall philosophies of those who promote and foster = musical=20 diversity in the area. As a result, with exception of an = occasional=20 world-fusion, art rock, looping, or out-of-state performance, the = music=20 scene in Boise has evolved to be somewhat monolithic from a genre=20 perspective, fostering and continuing to foster styles of music = such as=20 country, pop, classic and modern rock, traditional jazz, punk,=20 folk/folk-rock, and classical. This is not to say that there are = no=20 radical experimental musicians in Boise; rather, there simply = aren't ample=20 opportunities for them to perform, gather, and share their = art.

The 1st Annual Boise Experimental Music = Festival is=20 just one of many potential vehicles that serve to proactively and=20 Positively supplement Boise's artistic cultural diversity. It is a = focused=20 and collaborative effort to celebrate a music genre that is very = much=20 alive and thriving in cities around the globe, and has been in = existence=20 in various forms since the 1950's.=20

 
------=_NextPart_000_055D_01C5DF8E.2D6FAA10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 16:53:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFBC43BF50; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:53:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-80.messagelabs.com!1130950414!39707272!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8A56@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: New Golden Age of Tubes Re: The End of Timeless Instruments? (Craig Anderton editorial) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:53:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5DFCD.F517BAF0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:53:40 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5DFCD.F517BAF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>yeah but no one (not even the yugoslavs) are making tubes like Mullard and Telefunken did. or old GE or Sylvania tubes.<< maybe they were NOS, but I doubt it: I bought mullard EL34s & ECC83s (12AX7s) from RS components just a few years ago. but now their online catalogue is listing either JJ electronics or national semiconductors. the chinese ones are all marked "discontinued". hmph. but at least they offer matched pairs/quads. farnell have a similar range but made (apparently) by chelmer. who they? & no matched sets. the downloadable data sheets look like they were hand-drawn in the 40s. maplin- nothing. but that's no surprise. until someone designs a flashing-led-christmas-tree-kit that uses an ef87, it won't happen. there's a soundsystem (bunch of turntablists with their own p.a. system) based in london that travels everywhere with a completely valve-driven set-up. y'd think it would warp the records..... where do EH get theirs made? duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5DFCD.F517BAF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: New Golden Age of Tubes Re: The End of Timeless Instruments? (Cr= aig Anderton editorial)

>>yeah but no one (not even the yugoslavs) are maki= ng tubes like Mullard
and Telefunken did. or old GE or Sylvania tubes.<<=

maybe they were NOS, but I doubt it: I bought mullard EL3= 4s & ECC83s (12AX7s) from RS components just a few years ago.
but now their online catalogue is listing either JJ elec= tronics or national semiconductors. the chinese ones are all marked "d= iscontinued". hmph. but at least they offer matched pairs/quads.

farnell have a similar range but made (apparently) by che= lmer. who they? & no matched sets. the downloadable data sheets look li= ke they were hand-drawn in the 40s. 

maplin- nothing. but that's no surprise.
until someone designs a flashing-led-christmas-tree-kit = that uses an ef87, it won't happen.

there's a soundsystem (bunch of turntablists with their o= wn p.a. system) based in london that travels everywhere with a completely v= alve-driven set-up. y'd think it would warp the records.....

where do EH get theirs made?

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C5DFCD.F517BAF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 18:26:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AE193BED2; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 18:26:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <059e01c5dfda$ea5a7af0$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <1c5.3431845c.309a2dde@aol.com> Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions from Bill Walker) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 11:26:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_059B_01C5DFA0.3D198050" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 367, in=152752, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <6IqydB.A.69.NTQaDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 18:26:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_059B_01C5DFA0.3D198050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Ted! I just added those jump links. Plus, to Michael's request, I just found = out from the box.net crew that they are working on a system that will = stream all of the MP3s as one file. It will be available in two weeks. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ArsOcarina@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 7:57 AM Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions from Bill = Walker) Kris, In a message dated 11/2/05 6:09:37 AM, khartung@cableone.net writes: Today, I'll get around to creating a menu at the top of the web page = with jump links. I must say, you efforts with all of this stuff have been truly = amazing. Thank you, not just for myself, but for all of us who performed at Y2K5 and whose = music you've uploaded and posted without any compensation whatsoever. You da = man! Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn PS: Dyslexia, Dysphasia, Dysplasia "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_000_059B_01C5DFA0.3D198050 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks, Ted!
 
I just added those jump links. Plus, to = Michael's=20 request, I just found out from the box.net crew that they are working on = a=20 system that will stream all of the MP3s as one file. It will be = available in two=20 weeks.
 
Kris
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ArsOcarina@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, = 2005 7:57=20 AM
Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance = Recordings=20 (new additions from Bill Walker)

Kris,

In a message dated 11/2/05 = 6:09:37 AM,=20 khartung@cableone.net=20 writes:

Today, I'll get around to creating a menu at = the top of=20 the web page with jump links.

I must say, you efforts with all of = this stuff=20 have been truly amazing. Thank you,
not just for myself, but for = all of us=20 who performed at Y2K5 and whose music
you've uploaded and posted = without=20 any compensation whatsoever. You da man!

Best = regards,

tEd =AE=20 kiLLiAn

PS: Dyslexia, Dysphasia, Dysplasia

"Different is not always = better, but=20 better is always=20 = different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.= com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://ww= w.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product= .aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBN= M_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D1= 93

Ted=20 Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple = iTunes,
BuyMusic,=20 Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, = Lindows,=20 QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, = CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, = blah, blah.=20 So???
 ------=_NextPart_000_059B_01C5DFA0.3D198050-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 18:59:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 013743BEEE; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 18:59:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=q5X/e9HECTZnCOzkIvp9RutLQya57Ga7QSSxe1q45Vq9RjfrNAWjZ1FAU0epLZJL; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200511321919990@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: New Golden Age of Tubes Re: The End of Timeless Instruments? (Craig Anderton editorial) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 14:01:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9403353748ef633cef51ef257cf64470b57350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.231 Resent-Message-ID: <7cNluC.A.pGC.ZyQaDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 18:59:37 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I dunno about EH, but there were brand-new tube plants opening in both Russia and China as recently as this millennium. Svetlana rings a bell, I think... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 11/2/2005 11:53:40 AM Subject: RE: New Golden Age of Tubes Re: The End of Timeless Instruments? (Craig Anderton editorial) >>yeah but no one (not even the yugoslavs) are making tubes like Mullard and Telefunken did. or old GE or Sylvania tubes.<< maybe they were NOS, but I doubt it: I bought mullard EL34s & ECC83s (12AX7s) from RS components just a few years ago. but now their online catalogue is listing either JJ electronics or national semiconductors. the chinese ones are all marked "discontinued". hmph. but at least they offer matched pairs/quads. farnell have a similar range but made (apparently) by chelmer. who they? & no matched sets. the downloadable data sheets look like they were hand-drawn in the 40s. maplin- nothing. but that's no surprise. until someone designs a flashing-led-christmas-tree-kit that uses an ef87, it won't happen. there's a soundsystem (bunch of turntablists with their own p.a. system) based in london that travels everywhere with a completely valve-driven set-up. y'd think it would warp the records..... where do EH get theirs made? duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII RE: New Golden Age of Tubes Re: The End of Timeless Instruments? (Craig Anderton editorial)
I dunno about EH, but there were brand-new tube plants opening in both Russia and China as recently as this millennium. Svetlana rings a bell, I think...
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: 11/2/2005 11:53:40 AM
Subject: RE: New Golden Age of Tubes Re: The End of Timeless Instruments? (Craig Anderton editorial)

>>yeah but no one (not even the yugoslavs) are making tubes like Mullard
and Telefunken did. or old GE or Sylvania tubes.<<

maybe they were NOS, but I doubt it: I bought mullard EL34s & ECC83s (12AX7s) from RS components just a few years ago.
but now their online catalogue is listing either JJ electronics or national semiconductors. the chinese ones are all marked "discontinued". hmph. but at least they offer matched pairs/quads.

farnell have a similar range but made (apparently) by chelmer. who they? & no matched sets. the downloadable data sheets look like they were hand-drawn in the 40s. 

maplin- nothing. but that's no surprise.
until someone designs a flashing-led-christmas-tree-kit that uses an ef87, it won't happen.

there's a soundsystem (bunch of turntablists with their own p.a. system) based in london that travels everywhere with a completely valve-driven set-up. y'd think it would warp the records.....

where do EH get theirs made?

duncan.



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------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 19:13:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56BD73BF5C; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 19:13:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=kn7Mzgz9GayuMWHiaBRGeyNm6LqnWYaPz5lvcF810X2Ri5XsJ/QhqGTA8NeB1/19; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22005113219157440@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Golden Age of Tubes Re: The End of Timeless Instruments? (Craig Anderton editorial) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 14:15:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94029839944dd95b99a1bad487e6886aeea350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.231 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 19:13:34 +0000 (UTC) "or maybe i just spent all afternoon boxing and labeling my tube stash:" I know what you mean... I have a stash of reeeally old TV and radio tubes that I would someday like to trade for some nice tubes for my Silvertone and maybe some tubes for my "waterfall" Philco shortwave. ~Tim Mungenast www.mungenast.com www.myspace/timmungenast > [Original Message] > From: Suit & Tie Guy > To: > Date: 11/1/2005 10:08:00 PM > Subject: Re: New Golden Age of Tubes Re: The End of Timeless Instruments? (Craig Anderton editorial) > > On Nov 1, 2005, at 12:47 PM, Timothy Mungenast wrote: > > Luckily we are in the New Golden Age of Tubes, with demand AND supply > > rising, thanks to Russia and China. > > yeah but no one (not even the yugoslavs) are making tubes like Mullard > and Telefunken did. or old GE or Sylvania tubes. > > i've used new Svetlana 6550s in my Leslie, and taken them out to put > the 50 year old Tung Sols back in. > > but yes, there are a nice supply of new preamp, amp, and rectifier > tubes. now if someone can just add OC3 gas regulators and start making > them _well_ then we'll talk about a new golden age of tubes. new octal > preamp tubes would be nice but i don't see that ever happening. > > in the meantime, i'd call it "a period of plentiful supply and demand > of tubes" instead. > > but hey, maybe i'm juts a grumpy old man. > > or maybe i just spent all afternoon boxing and labeling my tube stash: > > http://suitandtieguy.com/sights/stg_workbench_102005a.jpg > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 19:23:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72F763BF53; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 19:23:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=PTO+IA/rOTdO2wu7imm/+CePYnpUYQaqj/poZk8GqmBYe/vPJ6SHTMtStDPFBOpa; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220051132192512610@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: coal-burning modems Re: Y2K5 mini review Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 14:25:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940755970fedcba03b85c60d9092e3bf88c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.231 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 19:23:39 +0000 (UTC) Hear Hear! I see all these enticing descriptions of great music and can't really access any of it on my coal-burning dialup connection. Waaaaah! ;-) ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 11/2/2005 11:11:08 AM > Subject: Re: Y2K5 mini review > > > In a message dated 11/1/05 9:39:13 PM, looppool@cruzio.com writes: > > << my y2k5 piece for Halloween voice changer and plastic corrugated straw: > > > What an incredibly haunting and bizarre piece of music. > > Almost like a robotic alien pod of whales communicating over > > vast distances of space using 8bit sonar frequences. Great! >> > > > Hi Rick! > > any chance you could put up somewhere a lo-fi clip of the piece for those of > us with slow modems and cranky old near obsolete browsers? > > I'd love to hear it. > > cheers > > BobC > > > > > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > http://trundlebox.iuma.com > http://tinyurl.com/cr25j From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 19:26:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01E873BF69; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 19:26:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <05bc01c5dfe3$5cc790c0$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <1c5.3431845c.309a2dde@aol.com> <059e01c5dfda$ea5a7af0$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings - Now Streaming!!! Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 12:26:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_05B9_01C5DFA8.AF8388E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.319000 Subject has lots of exclamation marks=1.0,Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3,Some tags-to-text=0.5 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 32, in=18948, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 19:26:48 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_05B9_01C5DFA8.AF8388E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just opened a broadcast stream that will be playing all of the Y2k5 = performances on the website continuously for the next 24 hours, at = least. http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (playing Rick's bizarre halloween toy piece = right now.) (Click on "Listen") =20 Heck, call it the Y2K5 radio station. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions from Bill = Walker) Thanks, Ted! I just added those jump links. Plus, to Michael's request, I just = found out from the box.net crew that they are working on a system that = will stream all of the MP3s as one file. It will be available in two = weeks. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ArsOcarina@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 7:57 AM Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions from Bill = Walker) Kris, In a message dated 11/2/05 6:09:37 AM, khartung@cableone.net writes: Today, I'll get around to creating a menu at the top of the web = page with jump links. I must say, you efforts with all of this stuff have been truly = amazing. Thank you, not just for myself, but for all of us who performed at Y2K5 and = whose music you've uploaded and posted without any compensation whatsoever. You = da man! Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn PS: Dyslexia, Dysphasia, Dysplasia "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_000_05B9_01C5DFA8.AF8388E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just opened a broadcast stream that = will be=20 playing all of the Y2k5 performances on the website continuously for the = next 24=20 hours, at least.
 
http://216.12.162.58:9030/ = (playing Rick's=20 bizarre halloween toy piece right now.)
 
(Click on "Listen") 
 
Heck, call it the Y2K5 radio=20 station.
 
Kris
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, = 2005 11:26=20 AM
Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance = Recordings=20 (new additions from Bill Walker)

Thanks, Ted!
 
I just added those jump links. Plus, = to Michael's=20 request, I just found out from the box.net crew that they are working = on a=20 system that will stream all of the MP3s as one file. It will be = available in=20 two weeks.
 
Kris
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ArsOcarina@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, = 2005 7:57=20 AM
Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance = Recordings (new additions from Bill Walker)

Kris,

In a message dated = 11/2/05 6:09:37=20 AM, khartung@cableone.net=20 writes:

Today, I'll get around to creating a menu at = the top of=20 the web page with jump links.

I must say, you efforts with all = of this stuff=20 have been truly amazing. Thank you,
not just for myself, but for = all of=20 us who performed at Y2K5 and whose music
you've uploaded and = posted=20 without any compensation whatsoever. You da man!

Best = regards,

tEd =AE=20 kiLLiAn

PS: Dyslexia, Dysphasia, Dysplasia

"Different is not always=20 better, but better is always=20 = different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.= com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://ww= w.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product= .aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBN= M_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D1= 93

Ted=20 Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple = iTunes,
BuyMusic,=20 Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, = Napster,
AudioLunchbox,=20 Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, = Sony=20 Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. = Blah,=20 blah, blah. So???
 ------=_NextPart_000_05B9_01C5DFA8.AF8388E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 19:47:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63DFC3BEFA; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 19:47:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=25hIGRZj1rSgrjJyXUYem3nfNHKvGdEsDvQJziEKq3PBP2BtZPxXomUuDAH+6sqXXtiwxRdU+choT7FQipbPV6/sBpIMgaqZ7btqhFxTfPwwZjqhhinkADdLTCtSamHQzhGF4thekDDa1zsP3ZivUZuGZ/kEpL7BCoWFP++YHNU= ; Message-ID: <20051102194746.3420.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 11:47:46 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: The End of Timeless Instruments? (Craig Anderton editorial) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 19:47:50 +0000 (UTC) My bad. I thought you were looking for that legendary SID chip sound. --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > The Sidstation looks to be a thousand dollar bit of > dedicated hardware. I'm > looking for a software emulator to run my C-64 music > programs that supports > MIDI in and out, for free. > TravisH > > On 11/1/05, mark sottilaro > wrote: > > > > I wonder what generation will have the arguement > "Oh > > it was so much better before we had direct to > brain > > implants to listen to music." I hope I'm there. > > > > Until then Travis, check out a Sidstation from > > Elektron. I have their MONOMACHINE and I love it. > > (also with C64 emulation) Expensive gear but so > > quirky and cool, you'll dig it. > > > > Mark > > > > --- Travis Hartnett > wrote: > > > > > And then the Iron Curtain fell and tubes were > > > plentiful. Plus, Chinese > > > tubes. I'm not sure I can find a C64 emulator > > > that'll run my old sequencer > > > software and address my real-world MIDI port > > > though... > > > TravisH > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in > one click. > > http://farechase.yahoo.com > > > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 20:00:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 752993BF5F; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 20:00:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <410-22005113219157440@earthlink.net> References: <410-22005113219157440@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6b61fe072432a914a9429d6363b56044@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: New Golden Age of Tubes Re: The End of Timeless Instruments? (Craig Anderton editorial) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 14:00:06 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 20:00:17 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 2, 2005, at 1:15 PM, Timothy Mungenast wrote: > that I would someday like to trade for some nice tubes for my > Silvertone > and maybe some tubes for my "waterfall" Philco shortwave. i don't do tube trades but all the tubes in that inventory are for sale. i haven't put them on my ebay store yet because i haven't got a mutual conductance tube tester yet. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 20:11:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1D203BF43; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 20:11:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions from Bill Walker) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 21:11:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C5DFF1.F18932A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcXf371kGP8NxHBwTQalgkn25QFywAAB9DwQ In-Reply-To: <059e01c5dfda$ea5a7af0$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Wed, 02 Nov 2005 21:11:36 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.95.5 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <20051102201120.30B6F3BF0B@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 20:11:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C5DFF1.F18932A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Plus, to Michael's request, I just found out from the box.net crew that they are working on a system that will stream all of the MP3s as one file. It will be available in two weeks. cool. Thanks bunches!! Now I know that you've already put lots of work into this, so please, this is not a feature request, but just in case you feel like setting up simple http streaming yourself before those two weeks: It should be possible to link to a simple m3u file, even now. Clicking this link would launch an mp3 player in streaming mode. The file would look like this: #EXTM3U #EXTINF:36,Andy Butler: Rick's Intro http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/mp3files/00-ricks-intro.mp3 #EXTINF:395,Andy Butler: Kasaundi http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/mp3files/01-kasaundi.mp3 ... and so forth. The number behind EXTINF is the length in seconds. I'd set the file up for you but I'd have to download all files first, to find out the lengths in seconds. If you have them on your harddisk, you can simply use Winamp and create a playlist which looks basically like the list above - the files need an absolute address though (http://myweb ... and so forth). best, -Michael ------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C5DFF1.F18932A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 >  Plus, to Michael's = request, I=20 just found out from the box.net crew that they are working on a system = that will=20 stream all of the MP3s as one file. It will be available in two = weeks. 
 
 
cool. Thanks = bunches!!
 
Now I know that you've already put lots of = work into=20 this, so please, this is not a feature request, but just in case you = feel like=20 setting up simple http streaming yourself before those two=20 weeks:
 
It should be possible to link to a simple m3u = file,=20 even now. Clicking this link would launch an mp3 player in streaming = mode. The=20 file would look like this:
 
#EXTM3U
#EXTINF:36,Andy Butler: Rick's = Intro
http://my= web.tiscali.co.uk/mp3files/00-ricks-intro.mp3
#EXTINF:395,Andy=20 Butler: Kasaundi
http://myweb= .tiscali.co.uk/mp3files/01-kasaundi.mp3
...
and so forth.=20 The number behind EXTINF is the length in = seconds.
 
I'd set the=20 file up for you but I'd have to download all files first, to find out = the=20 lengths in seconds. If you have them on your harddisk, you can simply = use Winamp=20 and create a playlist which looks basically like the list above - the = files need=20 an absolute address though (http://myweb = ... and so=20 forth).
 
 
best,
 
-Michael
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C5DFF1.F18932A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 20:11:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71B1A3BF1C; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 20:11:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 21:15:09 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Golden Age of Tubes The End of Timeless Instruments? (Craig Anderton editorial) X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <03d51226eeed2063d2627fd8d077e31e@suitandtieguy.com> References: <410-220051121184723960@earthlink.net> <03d51226eeed2063d2627fd8d077e31e@suitandtieguy.com> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 20:11:53 +0000 (UTC) Suit, > yeah but no one (not even the yugoslavs) are making tubes like Mullard > and Telefunken did Try some of the newer JJs (formerly Tesla). They're damn close and getting better with each batch! See http://www.eurotubes.com/euro-r.htm to see how they're made. -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 20:17:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 486783BF66; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 20:17:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <060101c5dfea$620dcca0$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20051102201120.30B6F3BF0B@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions from Bill Walker) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 13:16:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_05FA_01C5DFAF.B4572CD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.200000 Possible url forgery/scam=2.0,Suspicious tags-to-text ratio=1.2 X-UrlForgery: (http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk) (http://my) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 369, in=157112, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 20:17:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_05FA_01C5DFAF.B4572CD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How about the stream that I am broadcasting now....will that work? It is = streaming from my hardrive, to winamp, and to the Shoutcast server. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael Peters=20 To: Loopers Delight=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 1:11 PM Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions from Bill = Walker) > Plus, to Michael's request, I just found out from the box.net crew = that they are working on a system that will stream all of the MP3s as = one file. It will be available in two weeks.=20 cool. Thanks bunches!! Now I know that you've already put lots of work into this, so please, = this is not a feature request, but just in case you feel like setting up = simple http streaming yourself before those two weeks: It should be possible to link to a simple m3u file, even now. Clicking = this link would launch an mp3 player in streaming mode. The file would = look like this: #EXTM3U #EXTINF:36,Andy Butler: Rick's Intro http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/mp3files/00-ricks-intro.mp3 #EXTINF:395,Andy Butler: Kasaundi http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/mp3files/01-kasaundi.mp3 ... and so forth. The number behind EXTINF is the length in seconds. I'd set the file up for you but I'd have to download all files first, = to find out the lengths in seconds. If you have them on your harddisk, = you can simply use Winamp and create a playlist which looks basically = like the list above - the files need an absolute address though = (http://myweb ... and so forth). best, -Michael ------=_NextPart_000_05FA_01C5DFAF.B4572CD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
How about the stream that I am = broadcasting=20 now....will that work? It is streaming from my hardrive, to winamp, and = to the=20 Shoutcast server.
 
Kris
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Michael = Peters
To: Loopers = Delight
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, = 2005 1:11=20 PM
Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance = Recordings=20 (new additions from Bill Walker)

 >  Plus, to Michael's = request, I=20 just found out from the box.net crew that they are working on a system = that=20 will stream all of the MP3s as one file. It will be available in two=20 weeks. 
 
 
cool. Thanks = bunches!!
 
Now I know that you've already put lots of = work into=20 this, so please, this is not a feature request, but just in case you = feel like=20 setting up simple http streaming yourself before those two=20 weeks:
 
It should be possible to link to a simple = m3u file,=20 even now. Clicking this link would launch an mp3 player in streaming = mode. The=20 file would look like this:
 
#EXTM3U
#EXTINF:36,Andy Butler: Rick's = Intro
http://my= web.tiscali.co.uk/mp3files/00-ricks-intro.mp3
#EXTINF:395,Andy=20 Butler: Kasaundi
http://myweb= .tiscali.co.uk/mp3files/01-kasaundi.mp3
...
and so=20 forth. The number behind EXTINF is the length in=20 seconds.
 
I'd set the=20 file up for you but I'd have to download all files first, to find out = the=20 lengths in seconds. If you have them on your harddisk, you can simply = use=20 Winamp and create a playlist which looks basically like the list above = - the=20 files need an absolute address though (http://myweb=20 ... and so forth).
 
 
best,
 
-Michael
 
 
 
= ------=_NextPart_000_05FA_01C5DFAF.B4572CD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 20:53:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D7923BF4E; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 20:53:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings - Now Streaming!!! Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 21:52:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C5DFF7.BB6DAB50" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcXf6pOiwYgscOs6Ru+mDrvf9eXb4AABJQGg In-Reply-To: <05bc01c5dfe3$5cc790c0$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Wed, 02 Nov 2005 21:53:01 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.95.5 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <20051102205339.9E2053BF26@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 20:53:40 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C5DFF7.BB6DAB50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >I just opened a broadcast stream that will be playing all of the Y2k5 performances on the website continuously for the next 24 hours, at least. > http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (playing Rick's bizarre halloween toy piece right now.) > (Click on "Listen") > Heck, call it the Y2K5 radio station. big fun! -michael ------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C5DFF7.BB6DAB50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>I just opened a broadcast stream = that will=20 be playing all of the Y2k5 performances on the website continuously for = the next=20 24 hours, at least.  
> http://216.12.162.58:9030/=20 (playing Rick's bizarre halloween toy piece right now.) 
> (Click on "Listen")   
> Heck, call it the Y2K5 = radio=20 station. 
 
 
big fun!
 
 
-michael  ------=_NextPart_000_00C7_01C5DFF7.BB6DAB50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 20:59:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 624123BF67; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 20:59:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings - Now Streaming!!! Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 21:58:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CB_01C5DFF8.9D3CAD10" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcXf6pOiwYgscOs6Ru+mDrvf9eXb4AABJQGg In-Reply-To: <05bc01c5dfe3$5cc790c0$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Wed, 02 Nov 2005 21:59:18 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.95.5 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <20051102205904.DA2FD3BF57@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 20:59:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CB_01C5DFF8.9D3CAD10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit there's somebody playing like Hendrix (well, almost), with lots of Wah and Phase Shifting and Reverb ... that you Kris? -Michael ------=_NextPart_000_00CB_01C5DFF8.9D3CAD10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
there's somebody playing like Hendrix (well, = almost),=20 with lots of Wah and Phase Shifting and Reverb ... that you=20 Kris?
 
-Michael
 
------=_NextPart_000_00CB_01C5DFF8.9D3CAD10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 21:05:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7DBD3BF6A; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 21:05:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6b52nf1NNoPnSChSBhuoBLB/de5agqu4kTmq1vBNfEZsBs5d+az3TD+OK5/Qk/5wYh36FanyR5eJ9SZkYxb+CCyl6nfC+G0a/Ctmxo3q7XVmp0G+Z/dXb6BgXkCoHieLAyla+jVu1ADyV/5pn52nII55h1o76DpaCp9N70tvD98= ; Message-ID: <20051102210555.9318.qmail@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 13:05:55 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: coal-burning modems Re: Y2K5 mini review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <410-220051132192512610@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 21:05:57 +0000 (UTC) Patience, O Unstableboy! I too am modem-bound (46.6 Kbps at this moment, which is much better than it usually connects) and have downloaded over half of what Kris has posted so far. (Woulda been more, but I had to go to work and stuff...) Right now, I'm downloading a 69.3 meg file from listmember Peter Koniuto; I'm over 10% so far, and by the time I get back from dinner, it should be just about done. -t- --- Timothy Mungenast wrote: > Hear Hear! > I see all these enticing descriptions of great music > and can't really > access any of it on my coal-burning dialup > connection. > Waaaaah! > ;-) > ~Tim __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 21:16:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3A0E3BF66; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 21:16:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <061701c5dff2$b95c49c0$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20051102205904.DA2FD3BF57@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings - Now Streaming!!! Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 14:16:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0614_01C5DFB8.0BE76DE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.247000 Suspicious tags-to-text ratio=1.2,Subject has lots of exclamation marks=1.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 370, in=168382, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <68GopD.A.3XH.CzSaDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 21:16:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0614_01C5DFB8.0BE76DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Could be Ted....playing now. Before that it was Stanosaur. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael Peters=20 To: Loopers Delight=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 1:58 PM Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings - Now Streaming!!! there's somebody playing like Hendrix (well, almost), with lots of Wah = and Phase Shifting and Reverb ... that you Kris? -Michael ------=_NextPart_000_0614_01C5DFB8.0BE76DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Could be Ted....playing now. Before = that it was=20 Stanosaur.
 
Kris
 
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there's somebody playing like Hendrix = (well, almost),=20 with lots of Wah and Phase Shifting and Reverb ... that you=20 Kris?
 
-Michael
 
------=_NextPart_000_0614_01C5DFB8.0BE76DE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 21:35:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01C753BF48; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 21:35:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=RV8ozZRp2kpkYARtg0ihMQwlDTQK+FJnkbx0LxkgiZ//XCyIjo0lJkinsLYY6MUl; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220051132213645290@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: coal-burning modems Re: Y2K5 mini review Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:36:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940171f43901f95dddf93f5bd3701a11ce7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.124 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 21:35:12 +0000 (UTC) Dear G*d, you are a patient man. I will give it another shot...maybe that modified Indian flute overtone file... ~T > [Original Message] > From: Tim Nelson > To: > Date: 11/2/2005 4:05:57 PM > Subject: Re: coal-burning modems Re: Y2K5 mini review > > Patience, O Unstableboy! > > I too am modem-bound (46.6 Kbps at this moment, which > is much better than it usually connects) and have > downloaded over half of what Kris has posted so far. > (Woulda been more, but I had to go to work and > stuff...) > > Right now, I'm downloading a 69.3 meg file from > listmember Peter Koniuto; I'm over 10% so far, and by > the time I get back from dinner, it should be just > about done. > > -t- > > --- Timothy Mungenast wrote: > > > Hear Hear! > > I see all these enticing descriptions of great music > > and can't really > > access any of it on my coal-burning dialup > > connection. > > Waaaaah! > > ;-) > > ~Tim > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 2 22:48:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71E903BF5D; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 22:48:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.203.132.130] X-Originating-Email: [pushingair@hotmail.com] X-Sender: pushingair@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <001d01c5dc71$77a4a060$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> From: "Diana Thompson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: AW: Introducing... Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 14:47:59 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2005 22:47:59.0439 (UTC) FILETIME=[7948B5F0:01C5DFFF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 22:48:02 +0000 (UTC)

The looping scheme you outline is *exactly* what I want to do but with more loops. Imagine your scheme except multiply each loop by three.

What I'm grasping from you is that you can only loop four phrases simulaneously on for each track. The spec at http://www.electrixpro.com/products/repeater.html says "Repeater can have up to 999 loops with 4 tracks per loop." Shouldn't I be able to overdub phrases on each track and remove each track, each group of loops, from the mix on the fly.

Am I cloudy-headed?

From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" <rs@moinlabs.de>
Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Subject: AW: Introducing...
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:13:53 +0200

PA,
 
what do you mean by "removing selected loops after adding them"? Do you think about something like this:
 
Step 1: record loop1 - loop1 playing
Step 2: record loop2 - loop1+2 playing
Step 3: record loop 3 - loop1+2+3 playing
Step 4: remove loop 2 - loop1+3 playing
 
If that is what you want to do, the only hardware solution that comes to my mind would be a multi-track looper -> the Repeater. However, you'd be limited to four loops you could bring in and out at will.
 
Judging from the few song of you I listened to, the Repeater seems a very interesting choice for you, because it also offers independent pitch-shifting on all four tracks (and this in surprising quality).
 
On the downside, the Repeater is rather pricey, and we're still waiting for the Repeater V2. And from what I read about it, I wouldn't second the "the Repeater does everything you need" statement, as with the V2 you still seem to have the problem that you can't go into overdub right away.
 
(Meaning: starting a loop and recording, closing the loop and immediately start overdubbing from the beginning is not possible. Workaround: you have to either record an empty loop and then overdub into it. This is acceptable for some people (e.g. people who know in advance how long their loops is gonna be.)
 
Perhaps you should give the laptop idea a second thought...
 
            Rainer
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Diana Thompson [mailto:pushingair@hotmail.com]
Gesendet: Freitag, 28. Oktober 2005 22:32
An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff: Re: Introducing...

Thank y'all for your support.

I have a minimal setup: Boss Loopstation, Boss Digital Delay, and a Behringer mixer. I'm thinking about upgrading sometime soon. I really want to be able to remove select loops after adding them. The only way to do that with the Loopstation is to presave the loops I want to keep. I really want to keep my looping all live. I also want to run my set continuously from beginning to end. I don't want to put live loops down, stop and save them, and then go on with the set. But for now, my setup works well.

OK, while I'm on it. Any recommendations for that upgrade? Coming from the setup I've got, I'm not going to jump up to a laptop with Ableton. Considering what I want to do and want to do, what's my next step up?

Thanks'm,

PA

From: daniel stevenson <stillllscary@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Introducing...
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:40:39 -0700 (PDT)

howdy diana.
cool jams ya got there.what kind of gear are you using?...these folks can answer anything  or point ya in the right direction thats 4sure,amazing technical resources abound,my field of knowlege is primarilly nonsensical whimsey...but,its what i do best.
welcome to the collective...ressistance is futile!!!
boat drinks...danny///scary visionary.


Diana Thompson <pushingair@hotmail.com> wrote:

Greetings,

I'm new this list and fairly new to looping. My music is based out of jazz, blues, and African traditions. I use only voice, a delay pedal, and a looping pedal. My favorite recent comment: "Reminds me a little of Meredith Monk, but with more substance."

I've uploaded files from some recent live shows. Please take a listen to some of my tracks when you get a chance and let me know your impressions.

www.pushingair.com/music

Thanks!

Pushing Air
Diana Thompson
Vocalist, Composer, Improvisor
www.pushingair.com


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<002701c5e015$ff390870$b9b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <1c5.3431845c.309a2dde@aol.com> <059e01c5dfda$ea5a7af0$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <05bc01c5dfe3$5cc790c0$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings - Now Streaming!!! Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 18:28:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C5DFDB.44D32F90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.319000 Subject has lots of exclamation marks=1.0,Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3,Some tags-to-text=0.5 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 370, in=168537, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 01:29:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C5DFDB.44D32F90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My notebook was down for an hour or so, but is up now and the stream is = active again. Now playing material from Zurrigo. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 I just opened a broadcast stream that will be playing all of the Y2k5 = performances on the website continuously for the next 24 hours, at = least. http://216.12.162.58:9030/=20 (Click on "Listen") =20 Heck, call it the Y2K5 radio station. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions from Bill = Walker) Thanks, Ted! I just added those jump links. Plus, to Michael's request, I just = found out from the box.net crew that they are working on a system that = will stream all of the MP3s as one file. It will be available in two = weeks. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ArsOcarina@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 7:57 AM Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions from Bill = Walker) Kris, In a message dated 11/2/05 6:09:37 AM, khartung@cableone.net = writes: Today, I'll get around to creating a menu at the top of the web = page with jump links. I must say, you efforts with all of this stuff have been truly = amazing. Thank you, not just for myself, but for all of us who performed at Y2K5 and = whose music you've uploaded and posted without any compensation whatsoever. = You da man! Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn PS: Dyslexia, Dysphasia, Dysplasia "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C5DFDB.44D32F90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My notebook was down for an hour = or so, but is=20 up now and the stream is active again. Now playing material from=20 Zurrigo.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----

 
I just opened a broadcast stream that = will be=20 playing all of the Y2k5 performances on the website continuously for = the next=20 24 hours, at least.
 
http://216.12.162.58:9030/ =
(Click on "Listen")  =
 
Heck, call it the Y2K5 radio=20 station.
 
Kris
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, = 2005=20 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance = Recordings (new additions from Bill Walker)

Thanks, Ted!
 
I just added those jump links. = Plus, to=20 Michael's request, I just found out from the box.net crew that they = are=20 working on a system that will stream all of the MP3s as one file. It = will be=20 available in two weeks.
 
Kris
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 ArsOcarina@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, November = 02, 2005=20 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: Y2K5 = Performance=20 Recordings (new additions from Bill Walker)

Kris,

In a message dated = 11/2/05 6:09:37=20 AM, khartung@cableone.net=20 writes:

Today, I'll get around to creating a menu = at the top=20 of the web page with jump links.

I must say, you = efforts with=20 all of this stuff have been truly amazing. Thank you,
not just = for=20 myself, but for all of us who performed at Y2K5 and whose = music
you've=20 uploaded and posted without any compensation whatsoever. You da=20 man!

Best regards,

tEd =AE = kiLLiAn

PS:=20 Dyslexia, Dysphasia, Dysplasia

"Different is not always better, but = better is=20 always=20 = different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.= com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://ww= w.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product= .aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBN= M_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D1= 93

Ted=20 Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple = iTunes,
BuyMusic,=20 Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, = Napster,
AudioLunchbox,=20 Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, = Sony=20 Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, = yadda. Blah,=20 blah, blah. So???
 ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C5DFDB.44D32F90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 3 02:22:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0C913BF51; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 02:22:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.237.219.66] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "jondrums" To: Subject: looping in movie scores Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 18:22:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2005 02:22:47.0128 (UTC) FILETIME=[7AF1FD80:01C5E01D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 02:22:48 +0000 (UTC) I had heard the great news that Andre's music made it to the score of a few feature films, but I promptly forgot which. Last night I saw "Weather Man" which is a recently released movie in theatres now. There were so many creative "Lafosse-EDP-like" sounds in the score that I was completely convinced this was Andre's work. It turns out now that I look at Andre's site, this wasn't him, but it was interesting to hear this style coming to the mainstream. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 3 03:12:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A18063BF5D; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 03:12:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gDr4GrUPNxcilKEyQ1eaaWQDAPbnP98KfKkxF++OizFg8DVpLE0bn2pEAq24D5BMyrAgX+bxRl9QSK0BVUkXdePu4YGxrsXbi2MbdIRV3ZtyuBPGsyGUDGJ5G97UDzzOMLlC4kQM2ps9RRjUoRJLJzSnM+3Dlp05Yo7iHLyJw5Y= ; Message-ID: <20051103031208.88808.qmail@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 19:12:08 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: AW: Introducing... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051103012938.8E3743BF55@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 03:12:10 +0000 (UTC) Au contrare, each of the Repeater's volume faders for each channel have next to them a series of 8 LED's indicating channel activity. Now that's neither here nor there, except to say that for my uses and experience, I've been able to use this LED activity to comprehend what I've laid down on each track. In the heat of performance as well... Stephen > From: Travis Hartnett > If I'm reading this correctly, you'd have four individually mutable > channels, i.e. tracks. Each track could have oodles of overdubs and would be > "looping". The overall audio event of whatever those four tracks contain > (including silence for unused or muted tracks) is what Electrix refers to as > a "loop". In their parlance, a loop is comprised of up to four tracks, which > are made up of any number of overdubs. > > The trick is keeping track of what's where in the heat of performance, since > you won't have any visual reference as to what's on each channel/track. > > TravisH __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 3 06:09:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02D183BF36; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 06:09:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 01:07:53 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] looping in movie scores In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 06:09:50 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, 2 Nov 2005, jondrums wrote: > I had heard the great news that Andre's music made it to the score of a few > feature films, but I promptly forgot which. _Two For the Money_ was one. regards, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 3 06:53:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A68B3BF1F; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 06:53:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [80.170.26.231] X-Originating-Email: [totalrtt@hotmail.com] X-Sender: totalrtt@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "total rtt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Looping algorithms Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 06:53:07 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2005 06:53:07.0860 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F414540:01C5E043] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 06:53:09 +0000 (UTC) HI If you're looking for algorithms who don't work very well ( the tempo move ), go to see the delays and glide hall algorithms on the lexicon PCM 80. It's possible to start and to stop an audio signal with a volume pédal, but the tempo quickly move. Whenever, if you find a way to make algorithm for a stéréo loop, with a very precise tempo on a hardware gear ( like 121,35 ) you can win the bingo. Good Luck Daniel Brothier >From: Jan-willem De Bleser >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Looping algorithms >Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:52:28 +0100 (CET) > >Hi everybody, > >My name's Jan-willem and I'm an engineering student. I'm doing research for >a project on automatic and seamless looping algorithms found in DSP >hardware and software and was wondering if anyone here could help point me >in the right direction. I'm looking for information on the techniques to >automatically place the beginning and end of loops as well as covering up >and eliminating the transition. Any help you can give me is greatly >appreciated, and I hope I'm not posting too far off topic. > >Thanks >Jw > >Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm > _________________________________________________________________ 2 Go de stockage avec MSN Hotmail Plus ! http://join2.msn.com/?pgmarket=fr-fr&page=hotmail/es2&DI=81&XAPID=3940&SU=&HL=hpleftslot From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 3 06:55:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CDA63BF41; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 06:55:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions from Bill Walker) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:54:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0034_01C5E04B.D22ADA80" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <060101c5dfea$620dcca0$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcXgPg4Dj8NB+4gfSa23Ee+6YWuFHgABM4mg X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Thu, 03 Nov 2005 07:54:56 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.95.5 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <20051103065512.6B8283BF1C@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 06:55:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C5E04B.D22ADA80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > How about the stream that I am broadcasting now....will that work? It is streaming from my hardrive, to winamp, and to the Shoutcast server. this is a different animal (and Shoutcast seems to be down right now). If you set up an m3u link, you wouldn't have a continuous (and anonymous) radio kind of stream but an individual stream that would always start with the first track, and you could see each track in your player, with info, and fast forward to the next if you want. See the ct-collective.com site, and click "stream this album" for one of the projects. -Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Peters To: Loopers Delight Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 1:11 PM Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions from Bill Walker) > Plus, to Michael's request, I just found out from the box.net crew that they are working on a system that will stream all of the MP3s as one file. It will be available in two weeks. cool. Thanks bunches!! Now I know that you've already put lots of work into this, so please, this is not a feature request, but just in case you feel like setting up simple http streaming yourself before those two weeks: It should be possible to link to a simple m3u file, even now. Clicking this link would launch an mp3 player in streaming mode. The file would look like this: #EXTM3U #EXTINF:36,Andy Butler: Rick's Intro http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/mp3files/00-ricks-intro.mp3 #EXTINF:395,Andy Butler: Kasaundi http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/mp3files/01-kasaundi.mp3 ... and so forth. The number behind EXTINF is the length in seconds. I'd set the file up for you but I'd have to download all files first, to find out the lengths in seconds. If you have them on your harddisk, you can simply use Winamp and create a playlist which looks basically like the list above - the files need an absolute address though (http://myweb ... and so forth). best, -Michael ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C5E04B.D22ADA80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> From: Kris Hartung = [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] 
> How about the stream that I am = broadcasting=20 now....will that work? It is streaming from my hardrive, to winamp, and = to the=20 Shoutcast server. 
 
 
this is a different animal (and Shoutcast = seems to be=20 down right now). If you set up an m3u link, you wouldn't have a = continuous (and=20 anonymous) radio kind of stream but an individual stream that would = always=20 start with the first track, and you could see each track in your player, = with=20 info, and fast forward to the next if you want. See the = ct-collective.com site,=20 and click "stream this album" for one of the=20 projects.
 
-Michael
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Michael = Peters
To: Loopers = Delight
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, = 2005 1:11=20 PM
Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance = Recordings (new additions from Bill Walker)

 >  Plus, to = Michael's request,=20 I just found out from the box.net crew that they are working on a = system=20 that will stream all of the MP3s as one file. It will be available = in two=20 weeks. 
 
 
cool. Thanks = bunches!!
 
Now I know that you've already put lots = of work=20 into this, so please, this is not a feature request, but just in = case you=20 feel like setting up simple http streaming yourself before those two = weeks:
 
It should be possible to link to a simple = m3u file,=20 even now. Clicking this link would launch an mp3 player in streaming = mode.=20 The file would look like this:
 
#EXTM3U
#EXTINF:36,Andy Butler: Rick's = Intro
http://my= web.tiscali.co.uk/mp3files/00-ricks-intro.mp3
#EXTINF:395,Andy=20 Butler: Kasaundi
http://myweb= .tiscali.co.uk/mp3files/01-kasaundi.mp3
...
and so=20 forth. The number behind EXTINF is the length in=20 seconds.
 
I'd set=20 the file up for you but I'd have to download all files first, to = find out=20 the lengths in seconds. If you have them on your harddisk, you can = simply=20 use Winamp and create a playlist which looks basically like the list = above -=20 the files need an absolute address though (http://myweb ... and so=20 forth).
 
 
best,
 
-Michael
 
 
 
=
------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C5E04B.D22ADA80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 3 07:02:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 409973BF4A; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:02:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LgcE/oAPyUZStnUvJ5pG50iVNqr9zilhLTTqXoNtfRof2rz1LRakZ/GvyK/9e0lPAr8cvKVoQR42hV0apUNpm1Zcdhj96LOkhqdzOPd732mceINOIG9VP2lwzOpv2TRlJRRaE36GvmjWmJ6v4Dl25+KvjSykam6WGeu9gsvu110= ; Message-ID: <20051103070206.29842.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 23:02:06 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051103065512.6B8283BF1C@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:02:08 +0000 (UTC) Hey guys congratulations to all of you,you all sound great! cheers Luis --- Michael Peters wrote: > > From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > > How about the stream that I am broadcasting > now....will that work? It is > streaming from my hardrive, to winamp, and to the > Shoutcast server. > > > this is a different animal (and Shoutcast seems to > be down right now). If > you set up an m3u link, you wouldn't have a > continuous (and anonymous) radio > kind of stream but an individual stream that would > always start with the > first track, and you could see each track in your > player, with info, and > fast forward to the next if you want. See the > ct-collective.com site, and > click "stream this album" for one of the projects. > > -Michael > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael Peters > To: Loopers Delight > > Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 1:11 PM > Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new > additions from Bill Walker) > > > Plus, to Michael's request, I just found out > from the box.net crew that > they are working on a system that will stream all of > the MP3s as one file. > It will be available in two weeks. > > > cool. Thanks bunches!! > > Now I know that you've already put lots of work into > this, so please, this > is not a feature request, but just in case you feel > like setting up simple > http streaming yourself before those two weeks: > > It should be possible to link to a simple m3u file, > even now. Clicking this > link would launch an mp3 player in streaming mode. > The file would look like > this: > > #EXTM3U > #EXTINF:36,Andy Butler: Rick's Intro > http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/mp3files/00-ricks-intro.mp3 > #EXTINF:395,Andy Butler: Kasaundi > http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/mp3files/01-kasaundi.mp3 > ... > and so forth. The number behind EXTINF is the length > in seconds. > > I'd set the file up for you but I'd have to download > all files first, to > find out the lengths in seconds. If you have them on > your harddisk, you can > simply use Winamp and create a playlist which looks > basically like the list > above - the files need an absolute address though > (http://myweb ... and so > forth). > > > best, > > -Michael > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 3 09:03:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDC173BF2B; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:03:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=PZst0jkyL7KxqiRugPfwJOZavprvzbC57BRn6IAiV99NuV8XgLM/JC6lOQcyFJ+wPAH2aYc4iAwDTUcDpAsiU/YaIyyKixjjk3Z0hOYOWabSxfoGWQNm3BcZ3/XbjVBOb82ljD71yHXjaW/sqjTVCqqXgQcwIqgyQDKBrYQTN4w= ; Message-ID: <00c201c5e055$6e4e14a0$9548c955@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <36BFD3B3-46BE-4E8C-87D1-CE07170773C9@boysen.se> Subject: Re: Digitech Jam Man Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:03:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:03:18 +0000 (UTC) >From audiofanzine.fr: xml exemple: "Loop 22211 2 1 Stop" The number in the song setup file for tempo is in Samples/beat. Since the JamMan runs at 44100, the calculation is 60*44100/BPM, or 2646000/BPM. So the correct value for 100 BPM is 2646000/100 = 26460. It's a start ;-) Ben. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 6:53 PM Subject: Re: Digitech Jam Man > What an interesting idea! I wonder if DigiTech wouldn't just give you > the file structure -- it adds value to the box, after all. You could > use the thing like a weird little sampler... If you figure this out, > don't keep it a secret. > > > > > On Oct 30, 2005, at 11:45 AM, Dennis Moser wrote: > >> Well, I've read through everything I could find in the archives >> (searching both "Jamman" and "Jam Man"), but nothing to indicate that >> anyone has looked at what I am trying to research on this box. >> >> The discussion about the perceived market for this device are >> revealing: the traditional loopers tools are, by comparison, pricey, a >> little antiquated, and have limited storage capacity, due to the >> existing technology (now, don't jump on me...I own a Lexicon Vortex >> and have two more coming). One area where this box seems to be able to >> do a good job is allowing a performer to load up looops in advance, >> take them in to a performance and play "against" them. >> >> And therein lie my questions: has anyone tried hacking the XML files >> that the box generates with each WAV file that together comprise your >> loop? The XML files contain parameters such as rhythm and time...and >> since these can be edited with a text editor such as BBEdit, I'm >> trying to understand if I can perform a kind of "post-loooping" hack >> on them. I have, in the first 24 hours with this box, already done >> this with the WAV file, taking a simple guitar riff, running it >> through a bit of software to reverse it, saved it back as a >> now-reversed loop and had it run just fine on the box. (Actually did >> it in the first 15 minutes with it out of the box!) >> >> And as I sit here, listening to Steve Roach's "Structures from >> Silence", I'm sure I'm asking for trouble from this sage group! >> >> Dennis Moser >> >> The next goal is to see if I can now control other parameters stored >> inthe XML files... >> >> On 10/30/05, Per Boysen wrote: >> >>> On Oct 30, 2005, at 3:27, Dennis Moser wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Just checked the archives of the list and the last discussion about >>>> this box was in July...has anyone bought one of these yet and had a >>>> chance to experiment with it? >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> Dennis Moser >>>> >>> >>> >>> I have one by me fore while to test it for reviewing in a mag. I just >>> briefly plugged in an hour yesterday and need more time with the >>> device before I can judge it. I will get that time in exactly one >>> week from today. But the first impression I got is that the Jam Man >>> is not addressing people that want to PLAY looping music as much as >>> it addresses people that want to rehearse technical playing skills >>> over a background. >>> >>> ings from Sweden >>> >>> Per Boysen >>> www.looproom.com (international) >>> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >>> ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) >>> www.cdbaby.com/perboysen >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 3 11:29:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CE223BF26; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:29:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4369F555.2070307@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 06:32:37 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AIMusic Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and the AM/FM Show Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2uVKuD.A.B1C.fSfaDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:29:36 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. 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WMUH's web site is http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 3 14:06:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A46483BEF8; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:06:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NfLDXzhVizHpuuP43JoKHRiU7hBH3lie3EFbbjmp68qRYQPyiWGd7bWq6+/tAGXQYesIOHHDAWlcSJwGx+BxVyXuW7MFSajzqK5PedI9oOdRDSxes+NLq4H3NyM3douE1BhIXoOxZTYj36MqgTpy5AIYtKmTi5Rv384PuRry5pA= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:06:48 -0600 From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech Jam Man In-Reply-To: <00c201c5e055$6e4e14a0$9548c955@Ruelle2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <36BFD3B3-46BE-4E8C-87D1-CE07170773C9@boysen.se> <00c201c5e055$6e4e14a0$9548c955@Ruelle2> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:06:52 +0000 (UTC) Ben, EXCELLENT! Thanks for the starting point... Dennis On 11/3/05, Ben wrote: > From audiofanzine.fr: > > xml exemple: "Loop 22211 2 1 Stop" > > The number in the song setup file for tempo is in Samples/beat. Since > the JamMan runs at 44100, the calculation is 60*44100/BPM, or > 2646000/BPM. So the correct value for 100 BPM is 2646000/100 =3D 26460. > > It's a start ;-) > > Ben. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kelly Coyle" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 6:53 PM > Subject: Re: Digitech Jam Man > > > > What an interesting idea! I wonder if DigiTech wouldn't just give you > > the file structure -- it adds value to the box, after all. You could > > use the thing like a weird little sampler... If you figure this out, > > don't keep it a secret. > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 30, 2005, at 11:45 AM, Dennis Moser wrote: > > > >> Well, I've read through everything I could find in the archives > >> (searching both "Jamman" and "Jam Man"), but nothing to indicate that > >> anyone has looked at what I am trying to research on this box. > >> > >> The discussion about the perceived market for this device are > >> revealing: the traditional loopers tools are, by comparison, pricey, a > >> little antiquated, and have limited storage capacity, due to the > >> existing technology (now, don't jump on me...I own a Lexicon Vortex > >> and have two more coming). One area where this box seems to be able to > >> do a good job is allowing a performer to load up looops in advance, > >> take them in to a performance and play "against" them. > >> > >> And therein lie my questions: has anyone tried hacking the XML files > >> that the box generates with each WAV file that together comprise your > >> loop? The XML files contain parameters such as rhythm and time...and > >> since these can be edited with a text editor such as BBEdit, I'm > >> trying to understand if I can perform a kind of "post-loooping" hack > >> on them. I have, in the first 24 hours with this box, already done > >> this with the WAV file, taking a simple guitar riff, running it > >> through a bit of software to reverse it, saved it back as a > >> now-reversed loop and had it run just fine on the box. (Actually did > >> it in the first 15 minutes with it out of the box!) > >> > >> And as I sit here, listening to Steve Roach's "Structures from > >> Silence", I'm sure I'm asking for trouble from this sage group! > >> > >> Dennis Moser > >> > >> The next goal is to see if I can now control other parameters stored > >> inthe XML files... > >> > >> On 10/30/05, Per Boysen wrote: > >> > >>> On Oct 30, 2005, at 3:27, Dennis Moser wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> Just checked the archives of the list and the last discussion about > >>>> this box was in July...has anyone bought one of these yet and had a > >>>> chance to experiment with it? > >>>> > >>>> Thanks! > >>>> > >>>> Dennis Moser > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I have one by me fore while to test it for reviewing in a mag. I just > >>> briefly plugged in an hour yesterday and need more time with the > >>> device before I can judge it. I will get that time in exactly one > >>> week from today. But the first impression I got is that the Jam Man > >>> is not addressing people that want to PLAY looping music as much as > >>> it addresses people that want to rehearse technical playing skills > >>> over a background. > >>> > >>> ings from Sweden > >>> > >>> Per Boysen > >>> www.looproom.com (international) > >>> www.boysen.se (Swedish) > >>> ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > >>> www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________= __ > Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenge= r > T=E9l=E9chargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 3 15:39:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC20B3BF00; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:39:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008401c5e08c$d402e550$b9b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20051103065512.6B8283BF1C@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions from Bill Walker) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:39:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0081_01C5E052.26A36630" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: ******************************: 154.500000 Content: cid=0(152.0) =152.0,Possible url forgery/scam=2.0,Some tags-to-text=0.5 X-UrlForgery: (http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk) (http://my) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 368, in=154364, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <6uYlpB.A.1vD.N9iaDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:39:57 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C5E052.26A36630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I understand now. Yes, this will require some work. Right now, box.net = is not setup for me to link directly to a static MP3 URL...unless a URL = like this would work: = http://box.net/index.php?rm=3Ddownload_shared&file_id=3D987792 Hey, I just tried the above url in an m3u file and it works!!! I'll get = one started today, and then start adding the minute details...it works = without that, just with the URLs in the m3u file. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael Peters=20 To: Loopers Delight=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 11:54 PM Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions from Bill = Walker) > From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 > How about the stream that I am broadcasting now....will that work? = It is streaming from my hardrive, to winamp, and to the Shoutcast = server.=20 this is a different animal (and Shoutcast seems to be down right now). = If you set up an m3u link, you wouldn't have a continuous (and = anonymous) radio kind of stream but an individual stream that would = always start with the first track, and you could see each track in your = player, with info, and fast forward to the next if you want. See the = ct-collective.com site, and click "stream this album" for one of the = projects. -Michael ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael Peters=20 To: Loopers Delight=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 1:11 PM Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions from Bill = Walker) > Plus, to Michael's request, I just found out from the box.net = crew that they are working on a system that will stream all of the MP3s = as one file. It will be available in two weeks.=20 cool. Thanks bunches!! Now I know that you've already put lots of work into this, so = please, this is not a feature request, but just in case you feel like = setting up simple http streaming yourself before those two weeks: It should be possible to link to a simple m3u file, even now. = Clicking this link would launch an mp3 player in streaming mode. The = file would look like this: #EXTM3U #EXTINF:36,Andy Butler: Rick's Intro http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/mp3files/00-ricks-intro.mp3 #EXTINF:395,Andy Butler: Kasaundi http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/mp3files/01-kasaundi.mp3 ... and so forth. The number behind EXTINF is the length in seconds. I'd set the file up for you but I'd have to download all files = first, to find out the lengths in seconds. If you have them on your = harddisk, you can simply use Winamp and create a playlist which looks = basically like the list above - the files need an absolute address = though (http://myweb ... and so forth). best, -Michael ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C5E052.26A36630 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I understand now. Yes, this will = require some work.=20 Right now, box.net is not setup for me to link directly to a static MP3=20 URL...unless a URL like this would work: http://box.net/index.php?rm=3Ddownload_shared&file_id=3D987792=
 
Hey, I just tried the above url in an = m3u file and=20 it works!!! I'll get one started today, and then start adding the minute = details...it works without that, just with the URLs in the m3u=20 file.
 
Kris
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Michael = Peters
To: Loopers = Delight
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, = 2005 11:54=20 PM
Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance = Recordings=20 (new additions from Bill Walker)

> From: Kris = Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] 
> How about the stream that I am=20 broadcasting now....will that work? It is streaming from my hardrive, = to=20 winamp, and to the Shoutcast server. 
 
 
this is a different animal (and Shoutcast = seems to be=20 down right now). If you set up an m3u link, you wouldn't have a = continuous=20 (and anonymous) radio kind of stream but an individual stream = that would=20 always start with the first track, and you could see each track in = your=20 player, with info, and fast forward to the next if you want. See the=20 ct-collective.com site, and click "stream this album" for one of = the=20 projects.
 
-Michael
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Michael = Peters=20
To: Loopers = Delight=20
Sent: Wednesday, November = 02, 2005=20 1:11 PM
Subject: RE: Y2K5 = Performance=20 Recordings (new additions from Bill Walker)

 >  Plus, to = Michael's=20 request, I just found out from the box.net crew that they are = working on a=20 system that will stream all of the MP3s as one file. It will be = available=20 in two weeks. 
 
 
cool. Thanks = bunches!!
 
Now I know that you've already put lots = of work=20 into this, so please, this is not a feature request, but just in = case you=20 feel like setting up simple http streaming yourself before those = two=20 weeks:
 
It should be possible to link to a = simple m3u=20 file, even now. Clicking this link would launch an mp3 player in = streaming=20 mode. The file would look like this:
 
#EXTM3U
#EXTINF:36,Andy Butler: = Rick's=20 Intro
http://my= web.tiscali.co.uk/mp3files/00-ricks-intro.mp3
#EXTINF:395,Andy=20 Butler: Kasaundi
http://myweb= .tiscali.co.uk/mp3files/01-kasaundi.mp3
...
and so=20 forth. The number behind EXTINF is the length in=20 seconds.
 
I'd set=20 the file up for you but I'd have to download all files first, to = find out=20 the lengths in seconds. If you have them on your harddisk, you can = simply=20 use Winamp and create a playlist which looks basically like the = list above=20 - the files need an absolute address though (http://myweb ... and so=20 forth).
 
 
best,
 
-Michael
 
 
 
=
------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C5E052.26A36630-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 3 16:08:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7907A3BF07; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:08:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009401c5e090$cc9cfcc0$b9b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20051103065512.6B8283BF1C@arsenic.violacea.com> <008401c5e08c$d402e550$b9b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions from Bill Walker) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:08:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0091_01C5E056.1F58F4E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.000000 Possible url forgery/scam=2.0 X-UrlForgery: (http://www.boisemusicians.com) (http://www.boisemusicians) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 370, in=169937, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:08:20 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C5E056.1F58F4E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Give this a try: http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5.m3u It seems to work for me. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 8:39 AM Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions from Bill = Walker) I understand now. Yes, this will require some work. Right now, box.net = is not setup for me to link directly to a static MP3 URL...unless a URL = like this would work: = http://box.net/index.php?rm=3Ddownload_shared&file_id=3D987792 Hey, I just tried the above url in an m3u file and it works!!! I'll = get one started today, and then start adding the minute details...it = works without that, just with the URLs in the m3u file. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael Peters=20 To: Loopers Delight=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 11:54 PM Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions from Bill = Walker) > From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 > How about the stream that I am broadcasting now....will that work? = It is streaming from my hardrive, to winamp, and to the Shoutcast = server.=20 this is a different animal (and Shoutcast seems to be down right = now). If you set up an m3u link, you wouldn't have a continuous (and = anonymous) radio kind of stream but an individual stream that would = always start with the first track, and you could see each track in your = player, with info, and fast forward to the next if you want. See the = ct-collective.com site, and click "stream this album" for one of the = projects. -Michael ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael Peters=20 To: Loopers Delight=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 1:11 PM Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions from = Bill Walker) > Plus, to Michael's request, I just found out from the = box.net crew that they are working on a system that will stream all of = the MP3s as one file. It will be available in two weeks.=20 cool. Thanks bunches!! Now I know that you've already put lots of work into this, so = please, this is not a feature request, but just in case you feel like = setting up simple http streaming yourself before those two weeks: It should be possible to link to a simple m3u file, even now. = Clicking this link would launch an mp3 player in streaming mode. The = file would look like this: #EXTM3U #EXTINF:36,Andy Butler: Rick's Intro http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/mp3files/00-ricks-intro.mp3 #EXTINF:395,Andy Butler: Kasaundi http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/mp3files/01-kasaundi.mp3 ... and so forth. The number behind EXTINF is the length in seconds. I'd set the file up for you but I'd have to download all files = first, to find out the lengths in seconds. If you have them on your = harddisk, you can simply use Winamp and create a playlist which looks = basically like the list above - the files need an absolute address = though (http://myweb ... and so forth). best, -Michael ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C5E056.1F58F4E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Give this a try: http://www.boisemusicians= .com/Y2K5.m3u
 
It seems to work for me.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, November 03, = 2005 8:39=20 AM
Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance = Recordings=20 (new additions from Bill Walker)

I understand now. Yes, this will = require some=20 work. Right now, box.net is not setup for me to link directly to a = static MP3=20 URL...unless a URL like this would work: http://box.net/index.php?rm=3Ddownload_shared&file_id=3D987792=
 
Hey, I just tried the above url in an = m3u file=20 and it works!!! I'll get one started today, and then start adding the = minute=20 details...it works without that, just with the URLs in the m3u=20 file.
 
Kris
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Michael = Peters
To: Loopers = Delight
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, = 2005=20 11:54 PM
Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance = Recordings (new additions from Bill Walker)

> From: Kris = Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] 
> How about the stream that I am = broadcasting now....will that work? It is streaming from my = hardrive, to=20 winamp, and to the Shoutcast server. 
 
 
this is a different animal (and Shoutcast = seems to=20 be down right now). If you set up an m3u link, you wouldn't have a=20 continuous (and anonymous) radio kind of stream but an=20 individual stream that would always start with the first track, = and you=20 could see each track in your player, with info, and fast forward to = the next=20 if you want. See the ct-collective.com site, and click "stream = this=20 album" for one of the projects.
 
-Michael
 
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Michael = Peters=20
To: Loopers = Delight=20
Sent: Wednesday, November = 02, 2005=20 1:11 PM
Subject: RE: Y2K5 = Performance=20 Recordings (new additions from Bill Walker)

 >  Plus, to = Michael's=20 request, I just found out from the box.net crew that they are = working on=20 a system that will stream all of the MP3s as one file. It will = be=20 available in two weeks. 
 
 
cool. Thanks=20 bunches!!
 
Now I know that you've already put = lots of work=20 into this, so please, this is not a feature request, but just in = case=20 you feel like setting up simple http streaming yourself before = those two=20 weeks:
 
It should be possible to link to a = simple m3u=20 file, even now. Clicking this link would launch an mp3 player in = streaming mode. The file would look like=20 this:
 
#EXTM3U
#EXTINF:36,Andy Butler: = Rick's=20 Intro
http://my= web.tiscali.co.uk/mp3files/00-ricks-intro.mp3
#EXTINF:395,Andy=20 Butler: Kasaundi
http://myweb= .tiscali.co.uk/mp3files/01-kasaundi.mp3
...
and so=20 forth. The number behind EXTINF is the length in=20 seconds.
 
I'd=20 set the file up for you but I'd have to download all files = first, to=20 find out the lengths in seconds. If you have them on your = harddisk, you=20 can simply use Winamp and create a playlist which looks = basically like=20 the list above - the files need an absolute address though (http://myweb ... and so=20 forth).
 
 
best,
 
-Michael
 
 
 
=
------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C5E056.1F58F4E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 3 16:15:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A6AA3BF0B; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:15:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=AxYndqjrzm0AOMQcXorq8leRc8qpH66oMyuo1L/8NBn5qiLwANNid5oIYMWI8MkKKWucAvKJVwLYr5Wqhm6Ledug4IBChG+yUxqu9ww0AMPwMO9q8NdsLrPvFUVkoo4RINFm5Yj7j/bsnRAtNu9KrzNAHxDc/Sfp8/4n00fPpRI= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:15:18 -0600 From: Jon Southwood To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: Line6 DL-4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:15:20 +0000 (UTC) I have a Line 6 DL-4 that has sat unused for quite a while in my studio. It's only gigged twice, once at an improv gig at a church and once at a bar (where it sat by the house mixer). It's in excellent shape. I have the original manual but not the original box and I do not have the AC adapter. I'm asking $200 + shipping. I'd prefer Paypal; I can provide my Ebay ID for anyone who wants to check my feedback. Why am I selling it? As much as I love it, I've been investing what little time I have to do looping toward focusing on my EDP and getting the most out of that. As a result, the DL-4 sits unused, which doesn't seem fair to it. It should be used, not collected. Help me find a loving home for it, won't you? Cheers, Jon Southwood From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 3 16:15:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAC903BF17; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:15:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <436A37AF.20706@pdq.net> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 10:15:43 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions from Bill Walker) References: <20051103065512.6B8283BF1C@arsenic.violacea.com> <008401c5e08c$d402e550$b9b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <009401c5e090$cc9cfcc0$b9b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <009401c5e090$cc9cfcc0$b9b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:15:43 +0000 (UTC) Yep, works here too! Kris Hartung wrote: > Give this a try: http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5.m3u > > It seems to work for me. > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Kris Hartung > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > *Sent:* Thursday, November 03, 2005 8:39 AM > *Subject:* Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions from > Bill Walker) > > I understand now. Yes, this will require some work. Right now, > box.net is not setup for me to link directly to a static MP3 > URL...unless a URL like this would work: > http://box.net/index.php?rm=download_shared&file_id=987792 > > > Hey, I just tried the above url in an m3u file and it works!!! > I'll get one started today, and then start adding the minute > details...it works without that, just with the URLs in the m3u file. > > Kris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Michael Peters > *To:* Loopers Delight > > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2005 11:54 PM > *Subject:* RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions from > Bill Walker) > >> *From:* Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] >> How about the stream that I am broadcasting now....will that > work? It is streaming from my hardrive, to winamp, and to the > Shoutcast server. > > > this is a different animal (and Shoutcast seems to be down > right now). If you set up an m3u link, you wouldn't have a > continuous (and anonymous) radio kind of stream but an > individual stream that would always start with the first > track, and you could see each track in your player, with info, > and fast forward to the next if you want. See the > ct-collective.com site, and click "stream this album" for one > of the projects. > > -Michael > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Michael Peters > *To:* Loopers Delight > > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2005 1:11 PM > *Subject:* RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new > additions from Bill Walker) > > > Plus, to Michael's request, I just found out from > the box.net crew that they are working on a system > that will stream all of the MP3s as one file. It will > be available in two weeks. > > > cool. Thanks bunches!! > > Now I know that you've already put lots of work into > this, so please, this is not a feature request, but > just in case you feel like setting up simple http > streaming yourself before those two weeks: > > It should be possible to link to a simple m3u file, > even now. Clicking this link would launch an mp3 > player in streaming mode. The file would look like this: > > #EXTM3U > #EXTINF:36,Andy Butler: Rick's Intro > http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/mp3files/00-ricks-intro.mp3 > #EXTINF:395,Andy Butler: Kasaundi > http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/mp3files/01-kasaundi.mp3 > ... > and so forth. The number behind EXTINF is the length > in seconds. > > I'd set the file up for you but I'd have to download > all files first, to find out the lengths in seconds. > If you have them on your harddisk, you can simply use > Winamp and create a playlist which looks basically > like the list above - the files need an absolute > address though (http://myweb ... and so forth). > > > best, > > -Michael > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 3 21:53:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92D3F3BEE9; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 21:53:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00f001c5e0c1$039f03f0$b9b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Live Looping Streaming Now Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:53:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00ED_01C5E086.56256D20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: ******************************: 157.306381 Content: cid=0(152.0) =152.0,URL contains username and (optional) password=1.3,Possible url forgery/scam=2.0,Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3,Aspam=0.2 X-UrlForgery: (http://www.krispenhartung.com) (http://www.krispenhartung.com<) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 368, in=154787, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 21:53:28 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00ED_01C5E086.56256D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm just messing around with my laptop system, since I re-formatted the = drive and reloaded everything last weekend...not really a performance, = but if you want to take a peek, here's my stream: http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen") =20 Krispen Hartung Improvisational Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_00ED_01C5E086.56256D20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm just messing around with my laptop = system,=20 since I re-formatted the drive and reloaded everything last = weekend...not really=20 a performance, but if you want to take a peek, here's my = stream:
 
http://216.12.162.58:9030/ = (Click on "Listen") 
 
 
Krispen Hartung
Improvisational = Looping=20 Guitarist
http://www.krispenhartung.com<= BR>info@krispenhartung.com
Di= scography:=20 http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung
------=_NextPart_000_00ED_01C5E086.56256D20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 3 22:03:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB5243BEE6; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 22:03:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <436A8998.3040200@Hevanet.com> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 14:05:12 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Looping Streaming Now References: <00f001c5e0c1$039f03f0$b9b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <00f001c5e0c1$039f03f0$b9b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 22:03:42 +0000 (UTC) ...do I hear insects in there, Kris? Kris Hartung wrote: > I'm just messing around with my laptop system, since I re-formatted > the drive and reloaded everything last weekend...not really a > performance, but if you want to take a peek, here's my stream: > > http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen") > > > Krispen Hartung > Improvisational Looping Guitarist > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com > Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 3 23:02:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F14A3BEF6; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:02:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00ff01c5e0ca$98e44700$b9b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <00f001c5e0c1$039f03f0$b9b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <436A8998.3040200@Hevanet.com> Subject: Re: Live Looping Streaming Now Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:01:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.006375 Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3,Aspam=0.2 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 370, in=159225, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:02:03 +0000 (UTC) Yep...those damn insects...I need to bring an exterminator in to elminate that VST effect! But, of course I had to balance it all ou with my intepreation of one of my favorite jazz songs at the end, Alice in Wonderland....from out of the rabbit hole to prettiness. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: ".David.Auker." To: Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 3:05 PM Subject: Re: Live Looping Streaming Now > ...do I hear insects in there, Kris? > > Kris Hartung wrote: > > > I'm just messing around with my laptop system, since I re-formatted > > the drive and reloaded everything last weekend...not really a > > performance, but if you want to take a peek, here's my stream: > > > > http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen") > > > > > > Krispen Hartung > > Improvisational Looping Guitarist > > http://www.krispenhartung.com > > info@krispenhartung.com > > Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 3 23:34:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC7C13BEF1; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:34:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <198.4ab272a8.309bf88b@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:34:35 EST Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions from Bill Walker) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_198.4ab272a8.309bf88b_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:34:42 +0000 (UTC) --part1_198.4ab272a8.309bf88b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/3/05 12:09:10 PM, khartung@cableone.net writes: > It seems to work for me. > me to.....beyond kool!.....tanks mucho!.....wonderful.....:)m --part1_198.4ab272a8.309bf88b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 11/3/05 12:09:10 PM, khartung@cableone.net writes:


It seems to work for=20= me.


me to.....beyond kool!.....tanks mucho!.....wonderful.....:)m --part1_198.4ab272a8.309bf88b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 3 23:51:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DD413BEF8; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:51:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <241.4cba6a.309bfc89@aol.com> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:51:37 EST Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions from Bill Walker) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_241.4cba6a.309bfc89_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:51:48 +0000 (UTC) --part1_241.4cba6a.309bfc89_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit n.p. ADRIEN WEST.....a very relaxing waltz, with looped vocals.....lovely!.....just what i needed after way too much "work".....ADRIEN, great music!.....a more upbeat violin (fiddle) tune.....ahhhh!.....this is so far out being able to listen to this.....this was a dream only a year ago.....WOW.....kris, keep up the great work and you to michael p.....A BIG TANKS.....m p.s. a little off topic but.....sweetwater music is looking for a person to write for their "PRO GEAR CATALOG".....i'd do it but i'd rather carry heavy trays of food to FEED THE PEOPLE! --part1_241.4cba6a.309bfc89_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable n.p. ADRIEN WEST.....a very relaxing wa= ltz, with looped vocals.....lovely!.....just what i needed after way too muc= h "work".....ADRIEN, great music!.....a more upbeat violin (fiddle) tune....= .ahhhh!.....this is so far out being able to listen to this.....this was a d= ream only a year ago.....WOW.....kris, keep up the great work and you to mic= hael p.....A BIG TANKS.....m
p.s. a little off topic but.....sweetwater music is looking for a person to=20= write for their "PRO GEAR CATALOG".....i'd do it but i'd rather carry heavy=20= trays of food to FEED THE PEOPLE! --part1_241.4cba6a.309bfc89_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 12:52:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C67C3BED6; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:52:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5B84DB5@earth.uces.edu.ar> From: Ariel Rzezak To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Line6 DL4 "saving patches" Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:58:08 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:52:55 +0000 (UTC) Hi, i'm real new to all this. I have this pedal and honestly, i do not know = how to save patches. For example.. can i choose de auto volume and then = switch to loop recorder having that sound to use with the loops? That's it, thanks to you all, Ariel. Ariel Rzezak Bedel=EDa UCES From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 14:23:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB14E3BEDD; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 14:23:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.68.205.246] X-Originating-Email: [david_rolling@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: david_rolling@sympatico.ca In-Reply-To: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5B84DB5@earth.uces.edu.ar> From: "David Rolling" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Line6 DL4 "saving patches" Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 14:23:54 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2005 14:23:54.0509 (UTC) FILETIME=[62BA23D0:01C5E14B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 14:23:59 +0000 (UTC) The DL4's looping functon has an adjustable 800 millisecond delay that you can apply to the input signal, but you won't have access to any other effect when you're in looping mode. You can double the time from 14 to 28 seconds (which lowers the pitch of what's already been looped by an octave) and you can reverse the loop direction (great for 'backwards' sound FX) by single or double-clicking on the far right button, but that's it. The DL-4's primarily a digital delay that emulates old tape/analog echo pedals. I did love the simple looping function, tho', and used it exclusively in that mode till it broke and could not be repaired >From: Ariel Rzezak >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" > >Subject: Line6 DL4 "saving patches" >Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:58:08 -0300 > >Hi, > >i'm real new to all this. I have this pedal and honestly, i do not know how >to save patches. For example.. can i choose de auto volume and then switch >to loop recorder having that sound to use with the loops? > >That's it, thanks to you all, Ariel. > > >Ariel Rzezak >Bedelía UCES From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 14:43:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD1C73BEDE; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 14:43:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5B84DB8@earth.uces.edu.ar> From: Ariel Rzezak To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: Line6 DL4 "saving patches" Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 11:48:44 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 14:43:24 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for your help, i'll investigate further.. Regards, Ariel Rzezak Bedelia UCES -----Mensaje original----- De: David Rolling [mailto:david_rolling@sympatico.ca] Enviado el: Viernes, 04 de Noviembre de 2005 11:24 a.m. Para: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Asunto: RE: Line6 DL4 "saving patches" The DL4's looping functon has an adjustable 800 millisecond delay that you can apply to the input signal, but you won't have access to any other effect when you're in looping mode. You can double the time from 14 to 28 seconds (which lowers the pitch of what's already been looped by an octave) and you can reverse the loop direction (great for 'backwards' sound FX) by single or double-clicking on the far right button, but that's it. The DL-4's primarily a digital delay that emulates old tape/analog echo pedals. I did love the simple looping function, tho', and used it exclusively in that mode till it broke and could not be repaired >From: Ariel Rzezak >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" > >Subject: Line6 DL4 "saving patches" >Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:58:08 -0300 > >Hi, > >i'm real new to all this. I have this pedal and honestly, i do not know how >to save patches. For example.. can i choose de auto volume and then switch >to loop recorder having that sound to use with the loops? > >That's it, thanks to you all, Ariel. > > >Ariel Rzezak >Bedelia UCES From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 4 20:47:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79FF73BEDE; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 20:47:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.194.136.161] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <6388a0488f7ca28f72c55768c8e70f50@tuninghawaii.com> From: "samba -" Subject: RE: INTERACT2006 Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 12:47:01 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2005 20:47:02.0236 (UTC) FILETIME=[E87AE9C0:01C5E180] To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 20:47:21 +0000 (UTC) Workshop for six composers/sound artists and six visual artists collaborating on pieces exploring the interaction between music/sound art and moving images. The workshop will take place at Roskilde University and The Museum of Contemporary Art in Roskilde, Denmark, 22nd to 27th of August 2006. Curators: Professor Sarat Maharaj, Visual Artist Matthew Buckingham and Composers Luca Francesconi and Åke Parmerud. Ideas for a project must be submitted before 15th of December 2005 to Secretariat for Contemporary Music (SNYK) (see below). Applicants can be either individual artists or teams (composer/sound artist + visual artist); individual applicants will eventually be paired by the group of curators. Instrumentalists to write for will be participating during the week: accordion, string trio, clarinet or mixed trio: mezzo-sop.+ guit.,+ perc., electronics. Further information about the process, technical equipment etc. is provided at http://www.interact2006.net Application, CV, project description (incl. CDs, CD-ROMs or DVDs) must be submitted in 4 copies, and must be able to fit into an A3 envelope. Fee for participation of 500 Euro (workshop, lectures, exhibitions, concerts, accommodation etc. included); to be paid only when the project is accepted. As a supplement to the practical, creative work, the workshop offers space for reflection, exchange of experience and mutual inspiration across the boundaries of the established working relations. Four art theory lectures are included in the programme, one from each of the workshop instructors. Of these, Matthew Buckingham will be exhibiting at the Museum of Contemporary Art during the period. Besides participating in the workshop activities, the ensembles/soloists will each present an evening concert. The intention is that works by Luca Francesconi, Åke Parmerud and the composers participating in the workshop will be included in these concert programmes. During the workshop participants are encouraged to develop works for performance/exhibition as part of a Scandinavian tour 2007. InterAct is an international/Scandinavian project. The organisation behind hit includes the following partners: Roskilde University (RUC), Department for Performance-Design: Professor Olav Harsløf The Museum of Contemporary Art, Roskilde: Director Morten Søndergaard Sound Around/Øresundsbiennalen 2007: Project manager Jens Brincker Elektrisk Helg, (SE): Musician, project manager Stefan Östersjö NOTAM, (NO): Director Jøran Rudi The Royal Danish Academy of Music: Professor Bent Sørensen The Malmö Academy of Music: Composition teacher Kent Olofsson Norwegian Academy of Music: Professor Ivar Frounberg Danish Composers’ Society: Chairman John Frandsen The Danish Secretariat for Contemporary Music (SNYK) is providing the operative facility for the project. Head of project: Eva Noer Kondrup, composer (DK) Applications to: InterAct 2006 c/o SNYK Gråbrødre Torv 16 st. DK-1154 Copenhagen K Denmark. Att.: Eva Noer Kondrup Phone: +45 33 93 00 24 Email: info@interact2006.net email to a friend contact subscribe electronic flux corporation / www.e-flux.com 295 greenwich street #532, nyc ny 10007 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 03:24:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AD1B3BECD; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 03:24:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <436C26AC.7080301@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 22:27:40 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Galactic Travels Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup , WDIY Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #450 for November 3, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 03:24:48 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/051103.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #450 November 3, 2005 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Lambert. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Inside Out" on Spheric Music. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Allez-Teia" by Heldon on Disjuncta Records and released in 1975. Lambert - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#nov PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Heldon Moebius Allez-Teia (Disjuncta Records) Darshan Ambient Tiger in the Grass ReKarma (Lotuspike) Inner-Voice Thanks to JM First Light (Quantum) Gert Emmens and Moments of Unexpected Blind Watchers of a Vanishing Ruud Heij Sadness Night (EH) Zerone Labyrinth Ultra Zone (White Robot) Craig Padilla and Everything That Is No Path of Least Resistance Thing (Lotuspike) Craig Padilla and Hollow Dreams of Worlds Path of Least Resistance Passed (Lotuspike) Kelvin L. Smith Hypnos The Dreaming Mind (emma) Kelvin L. Smith Seeds The Dreaming Mind (emma) Kelvin L. Smith Preema The Dreaming Mind (emma) Kelvin L. Smith Opaque The Dreaming Mind (emma) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Lambert Light Sky Inside Out (Spheric) Lambert Speed of Life Inside Out (Spheric) Lambert Nightmare Inside Out (Spheric) Lambert Atmosdepth VII Inside Out (Spheric) Lambert Mellow Inside Out (Spheric) Lambert B-10 Inside Out (Spheric) Lambert Sun Inside Out (Spheric) Lambert Dolphin's Cry Inside Out (Spheric) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on Lambert. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Mirror of Motions" on Spheric Music. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Pandemonium: Ville Ouverte" by Jean Baptiste Barriere on Atem Records and released in 1975. Bill =============================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-5:00 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Service Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 09:17:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C06953BED3; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 09:17:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <436C7935.4010806@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 04:19:49 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup Subject: Listen to the AM/FM Show Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 09:17:03 +0000 (UTC) THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ================================================================================ My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be today, Saturday, November 5 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Cheers, Bill ========================================================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm ========================================================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. 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    ----jFSLJeruBo2jD6tEVi-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 17:59:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E27863BEC2; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:59:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20051105180015.25038@mail.st.rim.or.jp> From: ysh To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 03:00:14 +0900 Subject: New Boss Looper RC-50 In-Reply-To: <20051104142400.98F9C3BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051104142400.98F9C3BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: ARENA Internet Mailer 2.2.1 PPC X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:59:50 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, Has this been mentioned on the list yet? http://www.roland.co.jp/products/boss/RC-50.html Works in stereo, 3 loops (simulataneous it seems), WAV transfers via USB, MIDI tempo sync... -ysh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 18:08:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36B3B3BED8; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:08:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: New Boss Looper RC-50 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 19:10:10 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c5e234$29802d50$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20051105180015.25038@mail.st.rim.or.jp> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:08:53 +0000 (UTC) Hey, this seems so new they didn't even include it in their other (meaning gaijin-lingo) websites. Could you elaborate some more on the features of this thingie? Thanks, Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: ysh [mailto:liminal@st.rim.or.jp] Gesendet: Samstag, 5. November 2005 19:00 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: New Boss Looper RC-50 Hi all, Has this been mentioned on the list yet? http://www.roland.co.jp/products/boss/RC-50.html Works in stereo, 3 loops (simulataneous it seems), WAV transfers via USB, MIDI tempo sync... -ysh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 18:09:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FC6B3BEE2; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:09:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: New Boss Looper RC-50 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 13:10:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20051105180015.25038@mail.st.rim.or.jp> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcXiMrkABXCxPI75T0+PJfcND7A0/wAAX7Bw Message-Id: <20051105180941.AC1E43BEB9@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:09:43 +0000 (UTC) This one has lots of potential! -----Original Message----- From: ysh [mailto:liminal@st.rim.or.jp] Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 1:00 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New Boss Looper RC-50 Hi all, Has this been mentioned on the list yet? http://www.roland.co.jp/products/boss/RC-50.html Works in stereo, 3 loops (simulataneous it seems), WAV transfers via USB, MIDI tempo sync... -ysh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 18:11:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54DC23BEE7; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:11:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: New Boss Looper RC-50 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 13:12:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <000701c5e234$29802d50$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcXiM/t2RHoVcv8PQSq/hQhkZtVbJAAAFpBg Message-Id: <20051105181059.D40603BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:11:00 +0000 (UTC) Can anyone translate this page? There is also a Q&A link and the bottom = of the page. -----Original Message----- From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de]=20 Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 1:10 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: AW: New Boss Looper RC-50 Hey, this seems so new they didn't even include it in their other (meaning gaijin-lingo) websites. Could you elaborate some more on the features of this thingie? Thanks, Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: ysh [mailto:liminal@st.rim.or.jp] Gesendet: Samstag, 5. November 2005 19:00 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: New Boss Looper RC-50 Hi all, Has this been mentioned on the list yet? http://www.roland.co.jp/products/boss/RC-50.html Works in stereo, 3 loops (simulataneous it seems), WAV transfers via USB, MIDI tempo sync... -ysh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 18:17:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06B223BEE2; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:17:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,294,1125892800"; d="scan'208,217"; a="932984085:sNHT19986688" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <20051105181059.D40603BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051105181059.D40603BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-436136952 Message-Id: From: David Coffin Subject: Re: New Boss Looper RC-50 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 10:17:55 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:17:58 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-436136952 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed http://translate.google.com/translate?u=3Dhttp://www.roland.co.jp/=20 products/boss/RC-50.html =93...it is possible every to make the RC-50 remember roundly. Being =20 live, you show power as a backing * tool.=94 Yes! On Nov 5, 2005, at 10:12 AM, Bill Edmondson wrote: > Can anyone translate this page? --Apple-Mail-1-436136952 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 http://translate.google.com/translate?u=3Dhttp:/= /www.roland.co.jp/products/boss/RC-50.html

    =93...it is possible = every to make the RC-50 remember roundly. Being live, you show power as = a backing * tool.=94 Yes!



    On Nov 5, 2005, at 10:12 AM, Bill = Edmondson wrote:

    Can anyone translate this page?

    =

    = --Apple-Mail-1-436136952-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 18:19:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A4F13BEE6; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:19:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,294,1125892800"; d="scan'208,217"; a="1769329106:sNHT21312328" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <20051105181059.D40603BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051105181059.D40603BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-436251602 Message-Id: <6E9D6F5E-9CAD-472F-9ADD-1D604A15935F@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin Subject: Re: New Boss Looper RC-50 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 10:19:50 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:19:53 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-436251602 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed http://translate.google.com/translate?u=3Dhttp://www.roland.co.jp/=20 products/boss/RC-50.html =93Does the RC-50 from the RC-20XL function do the point where it =20 raises with some kind of ones? < Summary > It has explained the RC-50 function concerning the point which is =20 raised from the RC-20XL=94 On Nov 5, 2005, at 10:12 AM, Bill Edmondson wrote: > There is also a Q&A link and the bottom of > the page. > --Apple-Mail-2-436251602 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 http://translate.google.com/translate?u=3Dhttp:/= /www.roland.co.jp/products/boss/RC-50.html

    =93Does the = RC-50 from the RC-20XL function do the point where it raises with some = kind of ones?
    < Summary >
    It has explained the RC-50 function concerning the point which is = raised from the RC-20XL=94




    On Nov 5, = 2005, at 10:12 AM, Bill Edmondson wrote:

    There is also a Q&A = link and the bottom of

    the page.



    = --Apple-Mail-2-436251602-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 18:35:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADABB3BEEC; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:35:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6E9D6F5E-9CAD-472F-9ADD-1D604A15935F@earthlink.net> References: <20051105181059.D40603BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> <6E9D6F5E-9CAD-472F-9ADD-1D604A15935F@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 10:35:41 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ken Higgins Subject: Re: New Boss Looper RC-50 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1080906751==_ma============" X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:19e398854e4e12389f1bc10699aa0b2c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:35:46 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1080906751==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hmmm... Any info on how much, and when? There are some intriguing/fun feature translations available at the Q&A page which you can reach from David C's link below: Ken >http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.roland.co.jp/products/boss/RC-50.html > >"Does the RC-50 from the RC-20XL function do the point where it >raises with some kind of ones? > >< Summary > >It has explained the RC-50 function concerning the point which is >raised from the RC-20XL" > > > > >On Nov 5, 2005, at 10:12 AM, Bill Edmondson wrote: > >>There is also a Q&A link and the bottom of >> >>the page. --============_-1080906751==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: New Boss Looper RC-50

    Hmmm...  Any info on how much, and when?

    There are some intriguing/fun feature translations available at the Q&A page which you can reach from David C's link below:

    Ken

    http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.roland.co.jp/products/boss/RC-50.html

    "Does the RC-50 from the RC-20XL function do the point where it raises with some kind of ones?

    < Summary >
    It has explained the RC-50 function concerning the point which is raised from the RC-20XL"




    On Nov 5, 2005, at 10:12 AM, Bill Edmondson wrote:

    There is also a Q&A link and the bottom of
    the page.

    --============_-1080906751==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 18:39:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A7843BEE4; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:39:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 19:42:34 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Boss Looper RC-50 X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <20051105181059.D40603BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051105181059.D40603BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:39:22 +0000 (UTC) Bill, > Can anyone translate this page? Babelfish can: Popularity model LOOP of the BOSS twin pedal series STATIONRC-20XL the colorful input/output terminal and the new model which adds the function of completeness are born in the base. LOOP STATION RC-50 which corresponds to stereo input/output in addition corresponds to also music compilation is the new performance tool not only solo performance of guitarist/?????, as the real time sampler for DJ. As for RC-50, with foot operation simply the phrase it is the loop station which recording it is possible. Recording the phrase which is done the ??? model which adds the numerous function which furthermore can expand the new performance style where it was born by RC-20XL can utilize in addition to guitarist/????? is RC-50 e.g., it performs the guitar and the base in the back, furthermore keeps repeating the phrase with over dubbing. As for clear operation method of the foot pedal that way, with RC-50, control of the kind of phrase which uses properly 3 RC-20XL becomes possible. Each phrase, becoming independent, because sound recording/playback/over dubbing are possible, by the fact that it combines on/off solo performance of complicated constitution corresponds with room. As for the patch which consists of three phrases, it is possible up to maximum of 99 to retain. In addition, purpose of performance and two plays modes which are adjusted to style are had. With multiple mode, it is possible to combine three phrases inside the patch unrestrictedly. It can record in the phrase which it plays back simultaneously, appoints. While changing three phrases one after another with simple operation, it can record single mode, play back. As for RC-50, because longest 24 minutes (the stereo)/49 minutes (mono) long haul recording * is possible, it can use properly the various phrases actively. One after another recording it does, it keeps dubbing the phrase which it conceives overly by the fact that, also music production do it can. In addition, not only the phrase of several neatness which are used in the solo performance, plural tunes also it is possible every to make RC-50 remember roundly. Being live, you show power as a backing tool. In addition, method such as one shot and reverse and fading in can appoint the playback of the phrase in addition to usual loop playback. When stopping the phrase, setting of fading out and the loop end is possible. Various productions become possible. * Recording time becomes short depending upon usage condition. As for RC-50, not only the guitar/the base, the various musical instruments/the audio equipment and connection are possible. The musical instrument input which corresponds to stereo input (INST) and, also ????? power source supply input outside microphone input and the CD/MD player etc. of possible XLR type can connect (AUX) with, corresponds to the wide input source. Not to be restricted to guitar/based solo performance, be able to utilize, as the real time sampler for vocal & lap and DJ colorful performance is supported. In addition, it equips also the optional phrase and the sub out which can output guide sound individually main out (the stereo/mono) to in addition also output. It is possible to utilize with the various situations. Furthermore, expression pedal and foot switch to maximum of 4 units connected possibility. It is possible to allot, colorful function such as rise of the patch/down and sound recording of the phrase/playback, phrase elimination and change of the loop/one shot. RC-50 has loaded the convenient function which it can correspond to various application methods. When recording from CD and the like, not be conspicuous in center and point the sound which normal position is done, the function which, to practice such as in order the center cancellation function which can draw up the phrase of the karaoke and negative one simply and the sound which is recorded from the external equipment and the microphone to be able to play back with the guitar & the amplifier the flat amplifier simulating function which does sound quality revision is useful is equipped. In addition, when redoing the sound recording and, failing the over dubbing time and the like, it equips also redoing which cancels undo and the undo which can cancel the sound recording immediately before/over dubbing. Because redoing is possible simply, it can record with ease and/or repeat the phrase. RC-50 has equipped the rhythm guide of treble quality. Loading, abundant pattern such as drum of lock type and percussion of Latin type. As the metronome not to be restricted to use, as a rhythm part at the time of performance it is possible to utilize. As for RC-50, while re-raising the phrase, tap tempo and outside of the pedal with the expression pedal which you connect, it is possible to change refresh rate into real time. In addition, it loads also the tempo sink function which can play back the phrase where tempo differs at the same tempo. It is possible to combine the various phrases unrestrictedly. If loop ?????? function at the time of phrase sound recording is used, it is possible to keep advancing sound recording job comfortably, without being taken the air in pedal operation. Furthermore, it corresponds to also the tempo same period due to MIDI. If the external MIDI equipment is connected to MIDI IN, while same period to do, it can do phrase sound recording/playback. As for RC-50 through USB, it can connect with the personal computer. As for being able to back up the data of RC-50 with the personal computer of course, import/export is possible the WAV file (16bit/44.1kHz, Stereo/Mono) as the phrase. Processing/was compiled taking in the phrase which to RC-50 with the corrugated compilation software, and the like also it is possible to use. Furthermore, also the loop phrase collection CD for RC-50 which recorded the rhythm and backing pattern has belonged. Specs: - Analogue-to-digital conversion: 24 bits - DA conversion: 24 bits - sampling frequency: 44.1kHz - Program memory -: 99 - Stipulated input level: INST = - 20dBu, MIC = - 50dBu and AUX = - 16dBu - input ??? - dance: INST = 1M ?, MIC = 1k ?, AUX = 100k ? - stipulated output level: MAIN OUTPUT = - 10dBu and SUB OUTPUT = - 10dBu - output ??? - dance: MAIN OUTPUT = 2k ?, SUB OUTPUT = 2k ?, PHONES = 47k ? - sound recording possible time: Stereo = approximately 24 minutes, mono = approximately 49 minutes - ???? - ?: < Front panel > REC/PLAY/OVERDUB pedal, STOP pedal and TEMPO pedal, UNDO/REDO pedal, PHRASE 1 pedal, PHRASE 2 pedal and PHRASE 3 pedal, PATCH/VALUE dial, PARAMETER button (), TAP TEMPO button, NAME/PATCH button, CTL/EXP PEDAL button, SYSTEM/USB button, EXIT button, WRITE button, PLAY MODE button, LOOP SYNC button, AUTO REC button, INPUT MODE button and OVERDUB MODE button, LOOP QUANTIZE indicator and OVERDUB MODE indicator (OVERDUB, REPLACE and MOMENTARY PUNCH-IN) [ PHRASE EDIT ] PHRASE LEVEL knob (PHRASE 1, 2 and 3), PHRASE button (PHRASE 1, 2 and 3), REVERSE indicator (PHRASE 1, 2 and 3), ONE SHOT ?????? (PHRASE 1, 2 and 3) [ GUIDE ] LEVEL knob, SELECT button, START/STOP button [ INPUT LEVEL ] AUX knob, MIC knob and INST knob, PEAK indicator [ MASTER ] LEVEL knob < rear panel > PHANTOM switch and POWER switch - display: 16 column 2 line (back illumination attachment LCD), 7 segmented 2 columns (LED) - connected terminal: INST jack R (MONO)/L (standard jack), MIC connector (XLR type and ????? power source correspondence), AUX jack (stereo mini- type), MAIN OUTPUT jack R (MONO)/L (standard jack), PHONES jack (stereo standard jack), SUB OUTPUT jack R (MONO)/L (standard jack), EXP/CTL 3 and 4 PEDAL jacks (TRS standard jack), CTL 1 and 2 PEDAL jacks (TRS standard jack), USB connector and MIDI connector (IN/OUT), DC IN (AC adapter) jack - power source: DC9V = attachment AC adapter - external size: 472 (W) ×198 (D) ×64 (H) mm - mass: 2.9kg (the AC adapter is excluded) - the accessory: AC adapter (ACI-100), Sound Library for RC-50 (sample phrase collection CD), USB cable - optional item: [ Foot switch ] FS-5U, [ dual foot switch ] FS - 6, [ expression pedal ] EV-5 (Roland), FV-500L/H + PCS-33 (Roland) and [ connecting cord ] PCS-31 (Roland stereo standard plug - standard plug ×2), PCS-33 (Roland stereo standard plug - stereo standard plug) * 0dBu = 0.775Vrms -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 18:44:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C0B23BED5; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:44:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: New Boss Looper RC-50 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 13:44:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcXiOD2hUkcgSbxyRzGFJ4AyDO4lyQAAIzKA In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Message-ID: <0MKoyl-1EYT1G0Sy7-0006nH@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: <99QzXD.A.NUD.z1PbDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:44:03 +0000 (UTC) Funny, this reads like a typical Roland manual... Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > Popularity model LOOP of the BOSS twin pedal series > STATIONRC-20XL the colorful input/output terminal and the new > model which adds the function of completeness are born in the > base. LOOP STATION RC-50 which corresponds to stereo > input/output in addition corresponds to also music > compilation is the new performance tool not only solo > performance of guitarist/?????, as the real time sampler for DJ. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 19:12:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 448473BEDE; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 19:12:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jfloridis@aol.com Message-ID: <23d.74b4ce.309e5e1c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 14:12:28 EST Subject: Re: New Boss Looper RC-50 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_23d.74b4ce.309e5e1c_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <19DEqD.A.0ME.fQQbDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 19:12:32 +0000 (UTC) --part1_23d.74b4ce.309e5e1c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit forgive my ignorance, but what would a "sub out" on this rc 50 provide? i think i have an idea, but i'd be curious to hear what others think....... jf --part1_23d.74b4ce.309e5e1c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable forgive my ignorance, but what would a=20= "sub out" on this rc 50 provide?  i think i have an idea, but i'd be c= urious to hear what others think.......

    jf     --part1_23d.74b4ce.309e5e1c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 19:51:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9AE33BED5; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 19:51:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <23d.74b4ce.309e5e1c@aol.com> References: <23d.74b4ce.309e5e1c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 11:51:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ken Higgins Subject: "Sub outs" on the Boss Looper RC-50 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1080902189==_ma============" X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:19e398854e4e12389f1bc10699aa0b2c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 19:51:49 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1080902189==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >forgive my ignorance, but what would a "sub out" on this rc 50 >provide? i think i have an idea, but i'd be curious to hear what >others think....... > >jf Well, if you had a loop/phrase which you were keying everything else off of, rhythmically speaking, it would be nice to have that louder in your monitor speakers/headphone mix. Kind of like a click track, although it might simply be your percussion layer. Or send that "rhythm track" to your live drummer so he can sync to it. Ken --============_-1080902189==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" "Sub outs" on the Boss Looper RC-50
    forgive my ignorance, but what would a "sub out" on this rc 50 provide?  i think i have an idea, but i'd be curious to hear what others think.......

    jf


    Well, if you had a loop/phrase which you were keying everything else off of, rhythmically speaking, it would be nice to have that louder in your monitor speakers/headphone mix.  Kind of like a click track, although it might simply be your percussion layer.  Or send that "rhythm track" to your live drummer so he can sync to it.

    Ken
    --============_-1080902189==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 21:07:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF47B3BEC5; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 21:07:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <256.4d0d20.309e78f8@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 16:07:04 EST Subject: Re: New Boss Looper RC-50 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_256.4d0d20.309e78f8_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 21:07:10 +0000 (UTC) --part1_256.4d0d20.309e78f8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmmmm, Looks kinda cool. Roland/Boss stuff has always been pretty high quality=20 generally. I wonder if we'll ever see this puppy stateside? They've done a number of=20 pieces that never made it to US shores for one reason or another. Looks like it has connections for at least 2 CV pedals on the back too -- for loop volume and=20 feedback control I'd guess. That'd be nice . . . to have both. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_256.4d0d20.309e78f8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmmmm,

    Looks kinda cool. Roland/Boss stuff has always been pretty high quality gene= rally.
    I wonder if we'll ever see this puppy stateside? They've done a number of pi= eces
    that never made it to US shores for one reason or another. Looks like it has=
    connections for at least 2 CV pedals on the back too -- for loop volume and=20=
    feedback control I'd guess. That'd be nice . . . to have both.

    Best regards,

    tEd =AE kiLLiAn

    "Different is not always better, but better is always different"

    http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
    http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
    http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
    http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
    http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
    http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
    http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

    Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
    BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
    AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
    RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
    and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
     --part1_256.4d0d20.309e78f8_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 21:15:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73B1C3BED0; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 21:15:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 16:21:40 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: New Boss Looper RC-50 To: Message-id: <001c01c5e24e$e9eee080$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20051104142400.98F9C3BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> <20051105180015.25038@mail.st.rim.or.jp> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 21:15:44 +0000 (UTC) OK - let's be frank about this. I want it! ----- Original Message ----- From: "ysh" To: Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 1:00 PM Subject: New Boss Looper RC-50 > Hi all, > > Has this been mentioned on the list yet? > > http://www.roland.co.jp/products/boss/RC-50.html > > Works in stereo, 3 loops (simulataneous it seems), WAV transfers via USB, MIDI tempo sync... > > -ysh > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 21:43:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20D5F3BEC5; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 21:43:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <436D2776.8000500@pdq.net> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 15:43:18 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Boss Looper RC-50 References: <20051104142400.98F9C3BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> <20051105180015.25038@mail.st.rim.or.jp> In-Reply-To: <20051105180015.25038@mail.st.rim.or.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 21:43:18 +0000 (UTC) Can one of our Japanese list friends do a proper translation to English? The Babblefish translation is... um... babble. Are the loops really simultaneous? Asynchronous? Does it "force" the tempo like the RC20, or can it derive the tempo based on start/stop recording stomps? Can you get to reverse from one of the pedals (vs. the little buttons)? A very very cool and interesting development, for sure. Dig ysh wrote: >Hi all, > >Has this been mentioned on the list yet? > >http://www.roland.co.jp/products/boss/RC-50.html > >Works in stereo, 3 loops (simulataneous it seems), WAV transfers via USB, MIDI tempo sync... > >-ysh > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 22:04:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79BF93BECA; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:04:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,294,1125892800"; d="scan'208,217"; a="402044635:sNHT31310630" In-Reply-To: <001c01c5e24e$e9eee080$0affff0a@hppav> References: <20051104142400.98F9C3BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> <20051105180015.25038@mail.st.rim.or.jp> <001c01c5e24e$e9eee080$0affff0a@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-449740339 Message-Id: <3600297B-F7CF-49A3-9384-AF382CA6C875@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin Subject: Re: New Boss Looper RC-50 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 14:04:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:04:42 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-449740339 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Nov 5, 2005, at 1:21 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > OK - let's be frank about this. I want it! Me, too. All I need to know is that it=92s: Stereo i/o A floor unit Made by Boss Got jacks for extra pedals/switches Got fades Got presets Got MIDI. I can work with this. All other contenders can now line up behind the =20= RC-50, AFAIC. Grinning big-time! (Unless it=92s $700! $499 I could live =20= with...) dc --Apple-Mail-3-449740339 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252

    On Nov 5, = 2005, at 1:21 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote:

    OK - let's be frank = about this. =A0 I want = it!


    Me, = too.

    All I need to know is that = it=92s:
    Stereo i/o
    A floor unit
    Made by = Boss
    Got=A0jacks for extra = pedals/switches
    Got=A0fades
    Got = presets
    Got MIDI.

    I can work with this. All = other contenders can now line up behind the RC-50, AFAIC. Grinning = big-time! (Unless it=92s $700! $499 I could live = with...)
    dc


    = --Apple-Mail-3-449740339-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 22:19:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 730B13BED8; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:19:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: New Boss Looper RC-50 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 23:20:18 +0100 Message-ID: <001e01c5e257$1b1d8a00$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <3600297B-F7CF-49A3-9384-AF382CA6C875@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:19:01 +0000 (UTC) Quoting from the product's page (or rather the translation): "In addition, it equips also the optional phrase and the sub * out which can output guide sound individually output in addition to main * out (stereo / mono)." "Guide" might be the click, meaning you could send your click to an unused track on your mixer and pfl that in your cans. Nice! (reading on, about the "guide" we read: "The RC-50 has equipped the rhythm * guide of treble quality. It loads, abundant pattern such as drum of lock type and percussion of Latin type. As the metronome not to be restricted to use, as a rhythm * part at the time of performance it is possible to utilize.") Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: David Coffin [mailto:dpcoffin@earthlink.net]=20 Gesendet: Samstag, 5. November 2005 23:05 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: New Boss Looper RC-50 On Nov 5, 2005, at 1:21 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: OK - let's be frank about this. I want it! Me, too. All I need to know is that it=92s: Stereo i/o A floor unit Made by Boss Got jacks for extra pedals/switches Got fades Got presets Got MIDI. I can work with this. All other contenders can now line up behind the RC-50, AFAIC. Grinning big-time! (Unless it=92s $700! $499 I could live with...) dc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 22:26:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 304723BEC1; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:26:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 17:32:07 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: New Boss Looper RC-50 To: Message-id: <004201c5e258$c1c15700$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001e01c5e257$1b1d8a00$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:26:11 +0000 (UTC) Rainer - good job deciphering the meaning implied in the translation! :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 5:20 PM Subject: AW: New Boss Looper RC-50 Quoting from the product's page (or rather the translation): "In addition, it equips also the optional phrase and the sub * out which can output guide sound individually output in addition to main * out (stereo / mono)." "Guide" might be the click, meaning you could send your click to an unused track on your mixer and pfl that in your cans. Nice! (reading on, about the "guide" we read: "The RC-50 has equipped the rhythm * guide of treble quality. It loads, abundant pattern such as drum of lock type and percussion of Latin type. As the metronome not to be restricted to use, as a rhythm * part at the time of performance it is possible to utilize.") Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: David Coffin [mailto:dpcoffin@earthlink.net] Gesendet: Samstag, 5. November 2005 23:05 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: New Boss Looper RC-50 On Nov 5, 2005, at 1:21 PM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: OK - let's be frank about this. I want it! Me, too. All I need to know is that it's: Stereo i/o A floor unit Made by Boss Got jacks for extra pedals/switches Got fades Got presets Got MIDI. I can work with this. All other contenders can now line up behind the RC-50, AFAIC. Grinning big-time! (Unless it's $700! $499 I could live with...) dc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 23:31:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADFA73BEC2; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 23:31:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NUyArWeOzJYauTGXC+IlFhBChoBjeEF3OXsiSvGGibfnvNWTfQeJ/zQEVAfmgxuDDjEfCkT4FhFBDNjg2V8ZPMjzO+jhktn10U1VZ/LkZOUhPDVAIrAgFQDOebYN3Zwgf8gg8UOWU1PmAp2pnPvNmae8R8tUy2BDwdzkiYvBCls= Message-ID: <353e2ed80511051531t59ec832eg64ae8ee986f2f99@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 23:31:06 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Boss Looper RC-50 In-Reply-To: <256.4d0d20.309e78f8@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <256.4d0d20.309e78f8@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 23:31:07 +0000 (UTC) On 11/5/05, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Looks like it has > connections for at least 2 CV pedals on the back It has two TRS sockets, one's for a dual footswitch like the Boss FS-6, the other can be switched for either another FS-6 or an EV-5 expression pedal. So you can have either four footswitches or two footswitches and an expression pedal. The blurb seems to imply that the external footswitches are assignable to different functions, and I /think/ it says the expression pedal can control tempo and/or pitch. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 23:36:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 847943BEC2; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 23:36:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: New Boss Looper RC-50 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 00:37:47 +0100 Message-ID: <002101c5e261$edde96a0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80511051531t59ec832eg64ae8ee986f2f99@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5CLI7D.A.WJD.9HUbDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 23:36:29 +0000 (UTC) I understood that the expression pedal can be used to controll feedback (..."with the expression * pedal which you connect, it is possible to change refresh rate into real time.") -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: David Morton [mailto:dmorton@gmail.com]=20 Gesendet: Sonntag, 6. November 2005 00:31 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: New Boss Looper RC-50 On 11/5/05, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Looks like it has > connections for at least 2 CV pedals on the back It has two TRS sockets, one's for a dual footswitch like the Boss FS-6, the other can be switched for either another FS-6 or an EV-5 expression pedal. So you can have either four footswitches or two footswitches and an expression pedal. The blurb seems to imply that the external footswitches are assignable to different functions, and I /think/ it says the expression pedal can control tempo and/or pitch. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 23:37:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2139F3BEC5; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 23:37:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TK5wE/0W1JhMx9Ni6dkQLiZ/RSl3lJrULznoVJ+4kfa/dCgiC4BNs2RsAuBqzM+XgZBbQ1KpzVx7FE1DpHBGdyKBmlP8UXMqTv7/hfLsSpVKPAu6QUwfZCupht3w23RSHJnW+vVdvr4TJ0LAWiBaIJ5D9Lt3EKDvsTiYdFjYwXI= Message-ID: <353e2ed80511051537n70ef3843l7364e9ad4a91a310@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 23:37:27 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Boss Looper RC-50 In-Reply-To: <001e01c5e257$1b1d8a00$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <3600297B-F7CF-49A3-9384-AF382CA6C875@earthlink.net> <001e01c5e257$1b1d8a00$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 23:37:29 +0000 (UTC) On 11/5/05, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > "Guide" might be the click, meaning you could send your click to an > unused track on your mixer and pfl that in your cans. Nice! "Guide" is what the click's called on the RC20XL, so I'm sure this is the s= ame. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 5 23:38:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03F1C3BED3; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 23:38:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <436D2776.8000500@pdq.net> References: <20051104142400.98F9C3BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> <20051105180015.25038@mail.st.rim.or.jp> <436D2776.8000500@pdq.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <170E1C11-A4DF-4F83-A61A-3A026AD08E98@zoekeating.com> Cc: Sunao Inami Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: New Boss Looper RC-50 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 15:38:11 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) X-Server-Quench: 3b69794d-4e55-11da-a87f-001185d377ca X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.43/Kp X-Powered-By: AuthSMTP - http://www.authsmtp.com - Authenticated SMTP Mail Relay X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 23:38:16 +0000 (UTC) Sunao?? Simultaneous? Asynchronous? Androgynous? What I really want to know...can I sync it with the Repeater? On Nov 5, 2005, at 1:43 PM, Doug Cox wrote: > Can one of our Japanese list friends do a proper translation to > English? > The Babblefish translation is... um... babble. > > Are the loops really simultaneous? Asynchronous? > Does it "force" the tempo like the RC20, or can it derive the tempo > based on start/stop recording stomps? > Can you get to reverse from one of the pedals (vs. the little > buttons)? > > A very very cool and interesting development, for sure. > > Dig > > ysh wrote: > > >> Hi all, >> >> Has this been mentioned on the list yet? >> >> http://www.roland.co.jp/products/boss/RC-50.html >> >> Works in stereo, 3 loops (simulataneous it seems), WAV transfers >> via USB, MIDI tempo sync... >> >> -ysh >> >> >> >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 02:27:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9ABE53BED0; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 02:27:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IgwXZ4XDM0uAfXxeeIApUyA+Z6Km0MRQxWaESR+6h81iOZgN2TfOyrx4nqjWSZjyuvj7vxsWtLnfs6khEwCX9IdNnDs9h214UlkTf+6TYIgnResqqASUnfP6nPpyUt0oJ7lFw1Taj0O3RnefiTskUjOcBcULRF10uc2OcM+SMDk= ; Message-ID: <20051106022723.80344.qmail@web34208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:27:23 -0800 (PST) From: grw20022 Subject: info To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1669518861-1131244043=:80316" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 02:27:26 +0000 (UTC) --0-1669518861-1131244043=:80316 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit how do I subsribe? and I would like to know what pedal is better 1)Boss DD20 2)Boss DR 303 I use digtech time machine now with other pedals if you know which one of those 2 is better let me know?...Gerry --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --0-1669518861-1131244043=:80316 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    how do I subsribe? and I would like to know what pedal is better
    1)Boss DD20
    2)Boss DR 303
    I use digtech time machine now with other pedals
    if you know which one of those 2 is better let me know?...Gerry

    Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --0-1669518861-1131244043=:80316-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 02:47:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 805253BED3; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 02:47:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lKOwUlLoVUSj0Y4CRa+O3aMkYIpbQZV0zaf6P956zkGs2jVozH2sqJJEhN93LC/Qvufp9kIlHp+cIMjvfqcHndQVWi/3jH5Z/p53Il6sJRg3eTzvhJl7QWJwj7+mYHjDN+2guf0HpmxzB3Xai7Xy4aEXcjTffC5PIo+Uh5WSu6c= ; Message-ID: <20051106024736.85428.qmail@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 18:47:36 -0800 (PST) From: grw20022 Subject: Re: New Boss Looper RC-50 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <436D2776.8000500@pdq.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-812455620-1131245256=:85034" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6SV9uC.A.EaB.L7WbDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 02:47:39 +0000 (UTC) --0-812455620-1131245256=:85034 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hey I just want to know which of the three are better 1)Boss DD20 2)Boss RC20 3)Boss DR 303 if you know, get back to me.. I did not hear the Boss RC50..Gerry Doug Cox wrote: Can one of our Japanese list friends do a proper translation to English? The Babblefish translation is... um... babble. Are the loops really simultaneous? Asynchronous? Does it "force" the tempo like the RC20, or can it derive the tempo based on start/stop recording stomps? Can you get to reverse from one of the pedals (vs. the little buttons)? A very very cool and interesting development, for sure. Dig ysh wrote: >Hi all, > >Has this been mentioned on the list yet? > >http://www.roland.co.jp/products/boss/RC-50.html > >Works in stereo, 3 loops (simulataneous it seems), WAV transfers via USB, MIDI tempo sync... > >-ysh > > > > --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --0-812455620-1131245256=:85034 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    hey I just want to know which of the three  are better
    1)Boss DD20
    2)Boss RC20
    3)Boss DR 303
    if you know, get back to me.. I did not hear the Boss RC50..Gerry

    Doug Cox <dougcox@pdq.net> wrote:
    Can one of our Japanese list friends do a proper translation to English?
    The Babblefish translation is... um... babble.

    Are the loops really simultaneous? Asynchronous?
    Does it "force" the tempo like the RC20, or can it derive the tempo
    based on start/stop recording stomps?
    Can you get to reverse from one of the pedals (vs. the little buttons)?

    A very very cool and interesting development, for sure.

    Dig

    ysh wrote:

    >Hi all,
    >
    >Has this been mentioned on the list yet?
    >
    >http://www.roland.co.jp/products/boss/RC-50.html
    >
    >Works in stereo, 3 loops (simulataneous it seems), WAV transfers via USB, MIDI tempo sync...
    >
    >-ysh
    >
    >
    >
    >

    Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --0-812455620-1131245256=:85034-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 02:58:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DB433BEDE; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 02:58:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=epWS4rpr1eE+N4MlE4pJDg3sdgwI+bkBpdE2Qcm3bfZ+W1iojHVJ9jd1yrl1iNKVWXVnUuRXGyK6R1R8motNLepTUr/9CzwyPcoWmIGzAQy2gA20DEMunmo1Vq3MPcCP8XDfhWfRiaVEiyMVPh0A+qUe1Ucf9ZG1JudWwUxdkVA= Message-ID: <64b81a780511051858u3cbe32f0rdeb5ebcf6889ab7e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 21:58:53 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Boss Looper RC-50 In-Reply-To: <256.4d0d20.309e78f8@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <256.4d0d20.309e78f8@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 02:58:55 +0000 (UTC) I'm hopeful we'll see it soon since all of the labeling and the text display is in English. On 11/5/05, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Hmmmm, > > Looks kinda cool. Roland/Boss stuff has always been pretty high quality > generally. > I wonder if we'll ever see this puppy stateside? They've done a number o= f > pieces > that never made it to US shores for one reason or another. Looks like it > has > connections for at least 2 CV pedals on the back too -- for loop volume = and > feedback control I'd guess. That'd be nice . . . to have both. > > Best regards, > > tEd (r) kiLLiAn > > "Different is not always better, but better is always different" > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 03:28:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98C093BECF; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 03:28:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <0MKoyl-1EYT1G0Sy7-0006nH@mrelay.perfora.net> References: <0MKoyl-1EYT1G0Sy7-0006nH@mrelay.perfora.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <17f6c7dda3b39f292ba4e0e27749563f@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: New Boss Looper RC-50 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 21:28:16 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 03:28:23 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 5, 2005, at 12:44 PM, hazard factor wrote: > Funny, this reads like a typical Roland manual... the W-50 manual in particular comes to mind. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 11:17:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F5403BED0; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 11:17:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20051106111747.27733@mail.st.rim.or.jp> From: ysh To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 20:17:44 +0900 Subject: RC-50 translation In-Reply-To: <20051106022727.3DAB93BED5@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051106022727.3DAB93BED5@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-2022-JP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: ARENA Internet Mailer 2.2.1 PPC X-Priority: 3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 11:17:22 +0000 (UTC) Here's a quick summary of the text, sans the marketing blurb. The pictures on the web + just the FAQ section may give a better overview of the unit's capabilities than the text on the main page. The unit was shown at Tokyo's NAMM-equivalent show; the website still doesn't have any pricing or ship date info. * * * Main Page: -Works like 3 RC-20XLs -Each "Phrase" can be independently recorded/played back/overdubbed -On/off states of each "Phrase" can be controlled freely -A "Patch" consists of three "Phrases" (i.e. it's a 3-stereo-track-looper) -Two "Play Modes"; a. Multi Mode - 3 Phrases in a Patch can be combined freely b. Single Mode - Switching between 3 Phrases -Max recording time: 24 min (stereo)/49 min (mono) -one shot/reverse/fade in "etc." playback modes -Fade outs and Loop ending settings can be adjusted even when phrases are not being played back -Sub Out can be assigned to specific Phrases or the guide tone -Max. 4 exp.pedals/footswitches -Playback speed can be altered in realtime, by tap tempo or via expression pedal. -Can force Phrases of different tempos to play back in the same tempo ("Tempo Sync" feature) -Loop Quantize during recording -MIDI tempo sync -USB Connectivity -Settings can be stored on computer -WAV import/export (16 bit/44.1kHz/Stereo/Mono) -Comes with a Loop Phrase CD FAQ: 1. What features are new on the RC-50 compared to the RC-20XL? Max. recording time: 49min (mono) Stereo 3 simultaneous Phrases max. Storage of 297 Phrases max. 379 rhythm patterns 7 pedals Connectivity for 4 external footswitches Expression (?) USB Sub Outs MIDI In/Out Playback Speed Realtime Control MIDI tempo sync 2. What can you control off the expression pedals? Phrase Level, Phrase Pan, Current Level (the level of the "Current Phrase") Current Pan (panning of the "Current Phrase") Guide Level Patch Level Patch Tempo note: the "Original Tempo" cannot be controlled from the exp.ped. Level and Tempo ranges are as follows: Level: 0 - 200 Tempo: 40-250 3. So how does the "tempo" feature work in relation to playback speed? Can Phrases with different tempos be played back at the same tempo, or in other words, in sync? "Original Tempo" / "Patch Tempo": When a Phrase is recorded, its tempo settings are stored as an "Original Tempo". Every patch can have a tempo setting independent of the Original Tempos, and this Patch info is called the "Patch Tempo". Every Phrase may have a different tempo. Let's take this example -- Phrase 1: 100bpm Phrase 2: 120bpm Phrase 3: 80bpm In such a situation, we don't know what the master tempo is. This is where the "Patch Tempo" comes in. You can have each Phrase lock to the Patch Tempo, or not. Elaborating on the above scenario, you can have a setting like this: Phrase 1: 100bpm / Tempo Sync: ON Phrase 2: 120bpm / Tempo Sync: ON Phrase 3: 80bpm / Tempo Sync: OFF When you apply a Tempo Sync, Phrases having different Original Tempos will play in sync, with the same Tempo. Assuming a Patch Tempo of 120, playback of the above example will be as follows: Phrase 1: Playback speed will be faster than the original recording (100bpm), at 120bpm. Phrase 2: Playback speed happens to be the same as the original (120bpm). Phrase 3: Tempo Sync is off, so playback speed will not be altered. -Expression Pedal Control of Patch Tempo The Patch Tempo can be altered in realtime from an expression pedal such as the RC-50. max. and min. values for the tempo are user-defineable. 4. When recording on top of a prerecorded Phrase, can I record just the new stuff onto a different phrase? Yep. In Multi Mode, the playback/recording of three different snippets can be set totally independent of each other. An example would be to record on Phrase 1, then record something on Phrase 2 while Phrase 1 is playing back. You can also overdub on the same Phrase, if you so wish. 5. Can you record simultaneously off the Inst., mic, and Aux inputs? Yes. All inputs will be mixed and recorded within the same Phrase. Adjustments can be made from the Input Level section. It's not possible to record the different input sources on independent tracks (Phrases) though. 6. Terminology - What's a "Phrase", "Patch", and "Current Phrase"? Phrase: Think of it as one loop. A "phrase" is Roland lingo for a loop. Patch: It's a collection of three loops. RC-50 has 99 Patches. Current Phrase: To record a loop, you need to specify where you're recording. The selected Phrase is a "Current Phrase". Rec/Play/Overdub operations are always applied on the Current Phrase. Likewise, the indicators show the status for the Current Phrase. One selects the Current Phrase by stepping on the Phrase 1/2/3 switch. 7. What controls are available via MIDI? -External MIDI sync -Program Change/Control Change transmission: When switching a Patch, Program Change messages are sent. External footswitch and expression pedal operations are also sent as Continuous Controller messages. -Pach Changes from external controllers -Other operations from external controllers (CC#1/CC#7/CC#80): Via MIDI, one can adjust parameters that can't be controlled from the RC-50's footswitches or pedals. Both Global and Patch settings can be altered via CC's. It's possible to specify whether every parameter is Global or applied only on a Patch. 8. So what can you do via USB? - Backup of user data onto a computer - Recovery, by sending settings store on a computer back onto an RC-50 - Export of RC-50 phrase data onto a computer (WAV) - Import of WAV files in a computer, onto an RC-50 RC-50 acts as a USB mass storage class device. It doesn't act as a USB MIDI device. 9. Can I punch in sections of Phrase while overdubbing? Yes. There are 3 Overdubbing Modes, and one of them is "Momentary Punch-in". a. Overdub - Records material on top an existing Phrase. b. Replace - Overwrites material onto a Phrase; acts like a single-tap delay. c. Momentary Punch-In - Overwrites material only while the Rec/Play/Overdub pedal is depressed. Great for correcting parts of a Phrase. There's an Overdub Mode switch dedicated to the feature. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 11:19:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CD4E3BEB9; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 11:19:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AAAAADR0bUOCKYNjAQEBAQcIAiU Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051106102749.02d331a0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 11:17:26 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:RC-50 In-Reply-To: <20051106022727.2D56A3BED9@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051106022727.2D56A3BED9@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 11:19:19 +0000 (UTC) >two plays modes which are >adjusted to style are had. With multiple mode, it is possible to >combine three phrases inside the patch unrestrictedly. It can record in >the phrase which it plays back simultaneously, appoints. While changing >three phrases one after another with simple operation, it can record >single mode, play back. RC-50 There's 2 modes of operation. 1) 3 loops all playing at once, with individual on/off and volume control. ( and individual Reverse) 2) 3 loops available one after the other (like edp NextLoop) It's an "upgrade" of the RC-20XL, and many of the features are described in a similar manner. So how about you RC-20XL owners chipping in to put us right? >Each phrase, becoming independent, because sound >recording/playback/over dubbing are possible, by the fact that it >combines on/off solo performance of complicated constitution >corresponds with room. It would seem that you can overdub (as RC-20XL). It looks like you can do this independently on 3 simultaneous loops. I think it highly unlikely that it's possible to run 3 loops of different length. ...and quite likely in mode 2) all 3 loops have the same length, which would make that feature much less useful. It does MIDI sync. It can time stretch, but not pitch shift. NO feedback control( RC-20XLer's please put me right if need be) 24bit recording? From what I've experienced of Roland/Boss stuff it's unlikely the analog part of the electronics will be good enough to tell it's more than 16bit. (because of the few pennies they save on cheaper chips) Not that the quality is an issue, just to note that the "24" is probably pointless hype. I'd like to try Midi syncing one to my EDPs, ..but on it's own it lacks (it seems) 1) feedback control 2) any way to change length of a loop ( except by stretching) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 11:33:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6E8B3BEDA; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 11:33:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: RC-50 translation Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 12:34:47 +0100 Message-ID: <000401c5e2c6$187e9cc0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20051106111747.27733@mail.st.rim.or.jp> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 11:33:30 +0000 (UTC) What about controlling feedback with an expression pedal? To quote once again from the translation: "with the expression * pedal which you connect, it is possible to change refresh rate into real time.". "Refresh" might be "feedback" (it is with some vintage delay pedals), no? -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: ysh [mailto:liminal@st.rim.or.jp] Gesendet: Sonntag, 6. November 2005 12:18 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: RC-50 translation Here's a quick summary of the text, sans the marketing blurb. The pictures on the web + just the FAQ section may give a better overview of the unit's capabilities than the text on the main page. The unit was shown at Tokyo's NAMM-equivalent show; the website still doesn't have any pricing or ship date info. * * * Main Page: -Works like 3 RC-20XLs=20 -Each "Phrase" can be independently recorded/played back/overdubbed -On/off states of each "Phrase" can be controlled freely -A "Patch" consists of three "Phrases" (i.e. it's a 3-stereo-track-looper) -Two "Play Modes"; a. Multi Mode - 3 Phrases in a Patch can be combined freely b. Single Mode - Switching between 3 Phrases -Max recording time: 24 min (stereo)/49 min (mono) -one shot/reverse/fade in "etc." playback modes -Fade outs and Loop ending settings can be adjusted even when phrases are not being played back -Sub Out can be assigned to specific Phrases or the guide tone -Max. 4 exp.pedals/footswitches -Playback speed can be altered in realtime, by tap tempo or via expression pedal. -Can force Phrases of different tempos to play back in the same tempo ("Tempo Sync" feature) -Loop Quantize during recording -MIDI tempo sync -USB Connectivity -Settings can be stored on computer -WAV import/export (16 bit/44.1kHz/Stereo/Mono) -Comes with a Loop Phrase CD FAQ: 1. What features are new on the RC-50 compared to the RC-20XL? Max. recording time: 49min (mono) Stereo 3 simultaneous Phrases max. Storage of 297 Phrases max. 379 rhythm patterns 7 pedals Connectivity for 4 external footswitches Expression (?) USB Sub Outs MIDI In/Out Playback Speed Realtime Control MIDI tempo sync 2. What can you control off the expression pedals? Phrase Level, Phrase Pan, Current Level (the level of the "Current Phrase") Current Pan (panning of the "Current Phrase") Guide Level Patch Level Patch Tempo note: the "Original Tempo" cannot be controlled from the exp.ped. Level and Tempo ranges are as follows:=20 Level: 0 - 200 Tempo: 40-250 3. So how does the "tempo" feature work in relation to playback speed? Can Phrases with different tempos be played back at the same tempo, or in other words, in sync? "Original Tempo" / "Patch Tempo": When a Phrase is recorded, its tempo settings are stored as an "Original Tempo".=20 Every patch can have a tempo setting independent of the Original Tempos, and this Patch info is called the "Patch Tempo". Every Phrase may have a different tempo. Let's take this example -- Phrase 1: 100bpm Phrase 2: 120bpm Phrase 3: 80bpm In such a situation, we don't know what the master tempo is. This is where the "Patch Tempo" comes in. You can have each Phrase lock to the Patch Tempo, or not. Elaborating on the above scenario, you can have a setting like this:=20 Phrase 1: 100bpm / Tempo Sync: ON Phrase 2: 120bpm / Tempo Sync: ON Phrase 3: 80bpm / Tempo Sync: OFF When you apply a Tempo Sync, Phrases having different Original Tempos will play in sync, with the same Tempo.=20 Assuming a Patch Tempo of 120, playback of the above example will be as follows: Phrase 1: Playback speed will be faster than the original recording (100bpm), at 120bpm. Phrase 2: Playback speed happens to be the same as the original (120bpm). Phrase 3: Tempo Sync is off, so playback speed will not be altered. -Expression Pedal Control of Patch Tempo The Patch Tempo can be altered in realtime from an expression pedal such as the RC-50. max. and min. values for the tempo are user-defineable. 4. When recording on top of a prerecorded Phrase, can I record just the new stuff onto a different phrase? Yep.=20 In Multi Mode, the playback/recording of three different snippets can be set totally independent of each other. An example would be to record on Phrase 1, then record something on Phrase 2 while Phrase 1 is playing back. You can also overdub on the same Phrase, if you so wish. 5. Can you record simultaneously off the Inst., mic, and Aux inputs? Yes. All inputs will be mixed and recorded within the same Phrase. Adjustments can be made from the Input Level section.=20 It's not possible to record the different input sources on independent tracks (Phrases) though. 6. Terminology - What's a "Phrase", "Patch", and "Current Phrase"? Phrase: Think of it as one loop. A "phrase" is Roland lingo for a loop. Patch: It's a collection of three loops. RC-50 has 99 Patches. Current Phrase: To record a loop, you need to specify where you're recording. The selected Phrase is a "Current Phrase". Rec/Play/Overdub operations are always applied on the Current Phrase. Likewise, the indicators show the status for the Current Phrase. One selects the Current Phrase by stepping on the Phrase 1/2/3 switch. 7. What controls are available via MIDI? -External MIDI sync -Program Change/Control Change transmission: When switching a Patch, Program Change messages are sent. External footswitch and expression pedal operations are also sent as Continuous Controller messages. -Pach Changes from external controllers -Other operations from external controllers (CC#1/CC#7/CC#80): Via MIDI, one can adjust parameters that can't be controlled from the RC-50's footswitches or pedals. Both Global and Patch settings can be altered via CC's. It's possible to specify whether every parameter is Global or applied only on a Patch. 8. So what can you do via USB? - Backup of user data onto a computer - Recovery, by sending settings store on a computer back onto an RC-50 - Export of RC-50 phrase data onto a computer (WAV) - Import of WAV files in a computer, onto an RC-50 RC-50 acts as a USB mass storage class device. It doesn't act as a USB MIDI device. 9. Can I punch in sections of Phrase while overdubbing? Yes. There are 3 Overdubbing Modes, and one of them is "Momentary Punch-in". a. Overdub - Records material on top an existing Phrase.=20 b. Replace - Overwrites material onto a Phrase; acts like a single-tap delay. c. Momentary Punch-In - Overwrites material only while the Rec/Play/Overdub pedal is depressed. Great for correcting parts of a Phrase. There's an Overdub Mode switch dedicated to the feature. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 12:34:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 320823BEDA; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 12:34:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sCF16yTDw5NIFke/VWHviQMIzDmQ+irjpyP+6yMXQO0G/ulylmU6I2FBfgVUKOQfE5CS5Lc09dgd80bK4BWDSjUX6MuKJL34/XjqkAvPGFKweryYXa4gj1Qsu3UygvB4wsK26JsyzRIBEiaWZDRf0Kcv1Q9Yxp1dZUqSCThPWMg= Message-ID: <353e2ed80511060434n7442bb3dy69cccc2bfdb7f3d5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 12:34:18 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 translation In-Reply-To: <000401c5e2c6$187e9cc0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051106111747.27733@mail.st.rim.or.jp> <000401c5e2c6$187e9cc0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 12:34:20 +0000 (UTC) On 11/6/05, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > What about controlling feedback with an expression pedal? To quote once > again from the translation: "with the expression * pedal which you > connect, it is possible to change refresh rate into real time.". > "Refresh" might be "feedback" (it is with some vintage delay pedals), > no? I used to own an RC20XL (which I really didn't like, sold it for a good price last week thank goodness), and some of this new one looks very similar. However the feedback thing is a puzzle. The XL had no control over feedback between 100% (loop) and 0% (one-shot) settings for each loop. This new RC50 has similar loop/one-shot switching (on a per loop basis, like the XL), plus this mention of control over 'refresh'. If you look at the babelfish translation of the Japanese RC20XL page http://tinyurl.com/9pdh9 and compare it with the same for the RC50 http://tinyurl.com/8el6o the word 'refresh' isn't on the RC20XL page. I'm hoping this means that you're right, and that 'refresh' is feedback and it can be controlled from the expression pedal. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 12:38:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99CC23BED5; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 12:38:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UZLxpeV/2NUw/V+DI/NYKFgz3vGbTpsD+9zO2scwdQI5J2jk+RGBM27NX9Qst+tUc5x5L6gkpXSMhNX0jH6kZXzYDJ3SwXTU+9WlWJWSQQ/DYy5OM6+A4l5klmvnMsuEtKvQWkro9PVwA7G4GeE2EtT5B3H8Mvuz8MRpEGK/OoA= Message-ID: <353e2ed80511060438v249ad162je5dd9742e26bc8f3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 12:38:35 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051106102749.02d331a0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051106022727.2D56A3BED9@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051106102749.02d331a0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 12:38:37 +0000 (UTC) On 11/6/05, a k butler wrote: > It's an "upgrade" of the RC-20XL, and many of the features are > described in a similar manner. > So how about you RC-20XL owners chipping in to put us right? I'm a recovering RC-20XL owner (sold it last week), and I'm doing my best. However since I managed to snag a couple of EDPs I'm not sure I'm in the market for this one at all (especially having been so disappointed with the XL). From s.xhvfi@xx.pl Sun Nov 6 13:25:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from 159-134-207-226.as1.lky.letterkenny.eircom.net (159-134-207-226.as1.lky.letterkenny.eircom.net [159.134.207.226]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 862D73BEB2 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 13:25:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from palermo.vdns.pl (palermo.vdns.pl [212.160.215.200]) by 159-134-207-226.as1.lky.letterkenny.eircom.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IzJXMwLfcAjT for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 08:26:48 -0500 Received: from nobody (193.197.204.70) by palermo.vdns.pl with ESMTP for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 08:26:48 -0500 From: "Maria Godfrey" Reply-To: "Maria Godfrey" Message-ID: <6564783903.3427332709@xx.pl> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 08:26:48 -0500 To: Subject: Microsoft Special Deals MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Which side of the bed did you get out of this morning, then? :)))) Microsoft Office 2003 Professional $69.95 Adobe After Effects V 6.5 Professional PC $49.95 Autodesk AutoCAD 2005 $99.95 Macromedia Dreamweaver MX 2004 $39.95 Delivery method: download version available http://naotim.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 15:59:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 363803BED6; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 15:59:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <436E2856.1070100@pdq.net> Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 09:59:18 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 translation References: <20051106022727.3DAB93BED5@arsenic.violacea.com> <20051106111747.27733@mail.st.rim.or.jp> In-Reply-To: <20051106111747.27733@mail.st.rim.or.jp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 15:59:20 +0000 (UTC) Thanks very much ysh!!!! Your post has been cross posted to the Harmony-Central effects forum 3 times already :) http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1077719 Still no replacement for my EDP's, but cool nonetheless. Dig ysh wrote: >Here's a quick summary of the text, sans the marketing blurb. The pictures on the web + just the FAQ section may give a better overview of the unit's capabilities than the text on the main page. > >The unit was shown at Tokyo's NAMM-equivalent show; the website still doesn't have any pricing or ship date info. > >* * * > >Main Page: > >-Works like 3 RC-20XLs >-Each "Phrase" can be independently recorded/played back/overdubbed >-On/off states of each "Phrase" can be controlled freely >-A "Patch" consists of three "Phrases" (i.e. it's a 3-stereo-track-looper) > >-Two "Play Modes"; > a. Multi Mode - 3 Phrases in a Patch can be combined freely > b. Single Mode - Switching between 3 Phrases > >-Max recording time: 24 min (stereo)/49 min (mono) >-one shot/reverse/fade in "etc." playback modes >-Fade outs and Loop ending settings can be adjusted even when phrases are not being played back > >-Sub Out can be assigned to specific Phrases or the guide tone >-Max. 4 exp.pedals/footswitches > >-Playback speed can be altered in realtime, by tap tempo or via expression pedal. >-Can force Phrases of different tempos to play back in the same tempo ("Tempo Sync" feature) >-Loop Quantize during recording >-MIDI tempo sync > >-USB Connectivity >-Settings can be stored on computer >-WAV import/export (16 bit/44.1kHz/Stereo/Mono) >-Comes with a Loop Phrase CD > >FAQ: > >1. >What features are new on the RC-50 compared to the RC-20XL? > >Max. recording time: 49min (mono) >Stereo >3 simultaneous Phrases max. >Storage of 297 Phrases max. >379 rhythm patterns >7 pedals >Connectivity for 4 external footswitches >Expression (?) >USB >Sub Outs >MIDI In/Out >Playback Speed Realtime Control >MIDI tempo sync > >2. >What can you control off the expression pedals? >Phrase Level, >Phrase Pan, >Current Level (the level of the "Current Phrase") >Current Pan (panning of the "Current Phrase") >Guide Level >Patch Level >Patch Tempo > note: the "Original Tempo" cannot be controlled from the exp.ped. > >Level and Tempo ranges are as follows: >Level: 0 - 200 >Tempo: 40-250 > >3. >So how does the "tempo" feature work in relation to playback speed? Can Phrases with different tempos be played back at the same tempo, or in other words, in sync? > >"Original Tempo" / "Patch Tempo": > >When a Phrase is recorded, its tempo settings are stored as an "Original Tempo". >Every patch can have a tempo setting independent of the Original Tempos, and this Patch info is called the "Patch Tempo". > >Every Phrase may have a different tempo. Let's take this example -- > >Phrase 1: 100bpm >Phrase 2: 120bpm >Phrase 3: 80bpm > >In such a situation, we don't know what the master tempo is. This is where the "Patch Tempo" comes in. You can have each Phrase lock to the Patch Tempo, or not. Elaborating on the above scenario, you can have a setting like this: > >Phrase 1: 100bpm / Tempo Sync: ON >Phrase 2: 120bpm / Tempo Sync: ON >Phrase 3: 80bpm / Tempo Sync: OFF > >When you apply a Tempo Sync, Phrases having different Original Tempos will play in sync, with the same Tempo. >Assuming a Patch Tempo of 120, playback of the above example will be as follows: > >Phrase 1: Playback speed will be faster than the original recording (100bpm), at 120bpm. >Phrase 2: Playback speed happens to be the same as the original (120bpm). >Phrase 3: Tempo Sync is off, so playback speed will not be altered. > >-Expression Pedal Control of Patch Tempo >The Patch Tempo can be altered in realtime from an expression pedal such as the RC-50. >max. and min. values for the tempo are user-defineable. > >4. >When recording on top of a prerecorded Phrase, can I record just the new stuff onto a different phrase? > >Yep. >In Multi Mode, the playback/recording of three different snippets can be set totally independent of each other. > >An example would be to record on Phrase 1, then record something on Phrase 2 while Phrase 1 is playing back. > >You can also overdub on the same Phrase, if you so wish. > >5. >Can you record simultaneously off the Inst., mic, and Aux inputs? > >Yes. All inputs will be mixed and recorded within the same Phrase. >Adjustments can be made from the Input Level section. > >It's not possible to record the different input sources on independent tracks (Phrases) though. > >6. >Terminology - What's a "Phrase", "Patch", and "Current Phrase"? > >Phrase: Think of it as one loop. A "phrase" is Roland lingo for a loop. >Patch: It's a collection of three loops. RC-50 has 99 Patches. >Current Phrase: To record a loop, you need to specify where you're recording. The selected Phrase is a "Current Phrase". Rec/Play/Overdub operations are always applied on the Current Phrase. Likewise, the indicators show the status for the Current Phrase. > >One selects the Current Phrase by stepping on the Phrase 1/2/3 switch. > >7. >What controls are available via MIDI? > >-External MIDI sync >-Program Change/Control Change transmission: When switching a Patch, Program Change messages are sent. External footswitch and expression pedal operations are also sent as Continuous Controller messages. >-Pach Changes from external controllers >-Other operations from external controllers (CC#1/CC#7/CC#80): Via MIDI, one can adjust parameters that can't be controlled from the RC-50's footswitches or pedals. > >Both Global and Patch settings can be altered via CC's. It's possible to specify whether every parameter is Global or applied only on a Patch. > >8. >So what can you do via USB? > >- Backup of user data onto a computer >- Recovery, by sending settings store on a computer back onto an RC-50 >- Export of RC-50 phrase data onto a computer (WAV) >- Import of WAV files in a computer, onto an RC-50 > >RC-50 acts as a USB mass storage class device. >It doesn't act as a USB MIDI device. > >9. >Can I punch in sections of Phrase while overdubbing? > >Yes. >There are 3 Overdubbing Modes, and one of them is "Momentary Punch-in". > >a. Overdub - Records material on top an existing Phrase. >b. Replace - Overwrites material onto a Phrase; acts like a single-tap delay. >c. Momentary Punch-In - Overwrites material only while the Rec/Play/Overdub pedal is depressed. Great for correcting parts of a Phrase. > >There's an Overdub Mode switch dedicated to the feature. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 17:16:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5173C3BED8; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 17:16:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Violindave@aol.com Message-ID: <21c.1fe13c1.309f9476@aol.com> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 12:16:38 EST Subject: Re:RC-50 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_21c.1fe13c1.309f9476_boundary" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10709 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 17:16:43 +0000 (UTC) --part1_21c.1fe13c1.309f9476_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If the manual is anything like this I won't be understanding it anytime soon: RC-50 has loaded the convenient function which it can correspond to various application methods. When recording from CD and the like, not be conspicuous in center and point the sound which normal position is done, the function which, to practice such as in order the center cancellation function which can draw up the phrase of the karaoke and negative one simply and the sound which is recorded from the external equipment and the microphone to be able to play back with the guitar & the amplifier the flat amplifier simulating function which does sound quality revision is useful is equipped. In addition, when redoing the sound recording and, failing the over dubbing time and the like, it equips also redoing which cancels undo and the undo which can cancel the sound recording immediately before/over dubbing. Because redoing is possible simply, it can record with ease and/or repeat the phrase. Best Dave --part1_21c.1fe13c1.309f9476_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If the manua= l is anything like this I won't be understanding it anytime soon:

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     --part1_21c.1fe13c1.309f9476_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 17:38:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F1583BED8; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 17:38:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Te5A4xywjeaWSs7cBdB98/e3ILVpp6+HaghDymIxVYxgymmlFZ9cV9rDbGj4WMyACiA9M1M5crRnq1cztg3Wqe9k+uw5uuW6zF4m1eje0Fvf5XJTyswvu7kY3i9+urnlTMR68cqrJ9oqP9bNY/GyAvT3tLQ8ql1gUlgR2MPQwV0= Message-ID: <353e2ed80511060938k7a4120abo8e8662a9bb5a32de@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 17:38:02 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 In-Reply-To: <21c.1fe13c1.309f9476@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <21c.1fe13c1.309f9476@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 17:38:04 +0000 (UTC) On 11/6/05, Violindave@aol.com wrote: > If the manual is anything like this I won't be understanding it anytime > soon: Well it seems unlikely that Boss will use babelfish to prepare the manual. OTOH though... The bit you quote actually describes three features that are are shared with the RC-20XL, so are in its manual (which I no longer have, having sold mine). > RC-50 has loaded the convenient function which it can correspond to vari= ous > application methods. When recording from CD and the like, not be conspicu= ous > in center and point the sound which normal position is done, the function > which, to practice such as in order the center cancellation function whic= h > can draw up the phrase of the karaoke and negative one simply That describes the 'centre cancel' mode, which tries to remove the centre signal (instrumental soloist or vocalist) from a stereo signal sampled using the stereo aux input (the little one with the 1/8" stereo socket). > and the sound > which is recorded from the external equipment and the microphone to be ab= le > to play back with the guitar & the amplifier the flat amplifier simulatin= g > function which does sound quality revision is useful is equipped. This is talking about the 'flat amp' sim that it also shares with the RC-20= XL. If you've recorded backing tracks into it (from a CD or whatever) but are using a guitar amp for performance, you need to provide EQ to those backing tracks so they sound acceptable through the guitar amp (which tends to be short on top and bottom). On the RC20XL both of these are controlled by the mode switch on the bottom right, here's a big picture: http://namm.harmony-central.com/SNAMM04/Content/Boss/PR/RC-20XL-top-lg.jpg > In addition, when redoing the sound recording and, failing the over dubb= ing > time and the like, it equips also redoing which cancels undo and the undo > which can cancel the sound recording immediately before/over dubbing. > Because redoing is possible simply, it can record with ease and/or repeat > the phrase. And that's describing the 'undo' function (also shared with the RC-20XL), which lets you remove the last overdub with a long press (of the LH pedal, on the RC-20XL). You can also undo the undo with a subsequent long press. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 6 19:16:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC8523BED5; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 19:16:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051106182847.0323b8b0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 18:59:41 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: RC-50 In-Reply-To: <20051106155920.D9BDC3BED9@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051106155920.D9BDC3BED9@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 19:16:59 +0000 (UTC) >Here's a quick summary of the text, sans the marketing blurb. The >pictures on the web + just the FAQ section may give a better >overview of the unit's capabilities than the text on the main page. > >The unit was shown at Tokyo's NAMM-equivalent show; the website >still doesn't have any pricing or ship date info. thank you for the translation, ...much appreciated >-one shot/reverse/fade in "etc." playback modes >-Fade outs and Loop ending settings can be adjusted even when >phrases are not being played back but no Feedback? >-Sub Out can be assigned to specific Phrases or the guide tone >-Playback speed can be altered in realtime, by tap tempo or via >expression pedal. >-Can force Phrases of different tempos to play back in the same >tempo ("Tempo Sync" feature) nice so could record A & B parts separately, and then let them play in harmony later. >Every Phrase may have a different tempo. Let's take this example -- > >Phrase 1: 100bpm >Phrase 2: 120bpm >Phrase 3: 80bpm > >In such a situation, we don't know what the master tempo is. This >is where the "Patch Tempo" comes in. You can have each Phrase lock >to the Patch Tempo, or not. so looks like simultaneous un-synced loops are possible :-) >Current Phrase: To record a loop, you need to specify where you're >recording. The selected Phrase is a "Current >Phrase". Rec/Play/Overdub operations are always applied on the >Current Phrase. Likewise, the indicators show the status for the >Current Phrase. This is a great way to control Multiple loops. One set of simple controls which work on just one loop at a time. >-Program Change/Control Change transmission: When switching a >Patch, Program Change messages are sent. External footswitch and >expression pedal operations are also sent as Continuous Controller messages. well, what if you could switch patches (each with their stored loops) without stopping playback? >There are 3 Overdubbing Modes, and one of them is "Momentary Punch-in". > >a. Overdub - Records material on top an existing Phrase. wonder what the feedback level would be? > >b. Replace - Overwrites material onto a Phrase; acts like a single-tap delay. so the equivalent in EDP speak would be "Record from play" >c. Momentary Punch-In - Overwrites material only while the >Rec/Play/Overdub pedal is depressed. Great for correcting parts of a Phrase. that's EDP Replace So if it had feedback control (per Phrase), and the ability to sync the phrases in a non 1:1 ratio (which would allow a simulation of the common use of EDP Multiply) then we'd be only be concerned about the lack of pitch shift. Wonder how well it syncs to MIDI clock, and how glitchy the loop boundary gets when you Overdub in MIDI sync. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 02:34:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC84C3BECA; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 02:34:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" Subject: The PiNG presents dreamSTATE with Lynn Harrigan, Shirzad Sharif + General Chaos Visuals Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 21:35:07 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000201c5e343$de16d740$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: <29rOZ.A.6dH.J1rbDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 02:34:49 +0000 (UTC) THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 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They'll be exploring chillout grooves and driving "Berlin School" sequencing, merging their current states of mind with the influence of German Moog synthesizer pioneers Tangerine Dream & Kraftwerk. dreamSTATE will be joined by Shirzad Sharif (visiting from San Francisco) playing Persian percussion instruments the Tonbak (Zarb) and the Daf (Kurdish frame drum) plus the Tanbur stringed instrument. This will be a one-off musical meeting of minds. http://www.sommamusic.com http://www.shirzadsharif.com dreamSTATE's favourite ambient visualists General Chaos will set the stage awash in swirling light with their hypnotic visual environments. http://www.generalchaosvisuals.com Between Sets CD - PiNG AMBiENCE 3 / STRiNG THiNGS by Various Artists Tonight we feature the latest in the PiNG's series of complilation CDs. PA3 is packed with guitar-based ambience by 13 different artists. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday November 15th - S=F6ftware with Toastybird Visuals http://www.techno-jazz.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Trillium" by Jonathan Hughes Washing over you with sweeping pads of sound, pulsing, orbiting, "Trillium" is a beautiful collection of pieces by Jonathan Hughes filled with organic sensibility. Constantly flowing in new directions and pathways, the songs on "Trillium" move and grow in such a way as to suggest to me a living entity brought to life through alchemy rather than biology. Use of tones in a percussive manner, lush sounds that evolve and reshape themselves, the sense of "breathing" pulses, they all give form to a new entity, a new lifeform. Tracing through the womb-like sounds of disc-opener "Imatra", to the self-discovery implied in "Alta" and the soft reflections of "Lua", and ending with the percussive summation of "Ganymede", "Trillium" is a work that I believe runs parallel to our own life experiences, our own existence. It's a disc that I think we can all identify with, and a work that it's listeners will carry inside for some time to come. Beautiful and inspired. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com =3D ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. To unsubscribe - reply with 'unsubscribe' in the e-mail body. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 04:12:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB0093BED0; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 04:12:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=bz8v3GHdsxb7ylogb+UXa264oGuV4pXUlk4h4jl8SCDgVpNrfDLIDNcMH5F1X3arAfP+BEI1RL3L429q60hPyFh8TlRRF9vcHtC5/a3v2V1ToCz4aT4h7AWmo6FEAbDpj8oa701U6Mf16/Fwq8A4URUYY6uls/YduH8fy6Gy/n0= ; Message-ID: <20051107041246.50190.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 20:12:46 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: New Boss Looper RC-50 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051105180015.25038@mail.st.rim.or.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 04:12:47 +0000 (UTC) Want to read a nice poem about a looper? http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.roland.co.jp/products/boss/RC-50.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dboss%2Brc-50%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den-us Make sure you get the whole URL. This thing might be my next looper. Repeater MK2? Better hurry! M --- ysh wrote: > Hi all, > > Has this been mentioned on the list yet? > > http://www.roland.co.jp/products/boss/RC-50.html > > Works in stereo, 3 loops (simulataneous it seems), > WAV transfers via USB, MIDI tempo sync... > > -ysh > > __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 04:21:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BD9B3BEB9; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 04:21:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fhLDj0/I0SMEmAQER0iOyd7peU/Wrf8AKJz3z8lCGbJA3QOtSsvmJE43MWj4p2o/Te8AKVVCpFb/bH1O7qMFBIRbKuO8fnEpr3/FF5NYHeqt/UfTzquv5LWwa+oey3JEnZkpDgXyc7AwwhUmdBLcZv2Q/GJMpUtA75U5HbIkT8E= ; Message-ID: <20051107042122.43840.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 20:21:22 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: New Boss Looper RC-50 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <1FzacC.A.pXC.EZtbDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 04:21:24 +0000 (UTC) Remember Roundly is going to be the name of my next album. --- David Coffin wrote: > http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.roland.co.jp/ > > products/boss/RC-50.html > > “...it is possible every to make the RC-50 remember > roundly. Being > live, you show power as a backing * tool.” Yes! > > > > On Nov 5, 2005, at 10:12 AM, Bill Edmondson wrote: > > > Can anyone translate this page? > > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 10:23:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0919A3BEC2; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 10:23:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20051107041246.50190.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051107041246.50190.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: New Boss Looper RC-50 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 04:23:32 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: <9-bl6B.A.PbC.nsybDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 10:23:36 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 6, 2005, at 10:12 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > Repeater MK2? > Better hurry! i heard from someone who knows someone who knows someone that the guy who bought the company gave up the ghost on all that stuff. it would be nice to have some concrete information one way or another. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 15:10:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8E403BED0; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 15:10:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <436F6EEA.5060709@soundscapes.us> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 10:12:42 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for November 5, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 15:10:24 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2005/051105.html I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #76 November 5, 2005. During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. I also skipped over Phase II directly to Phase III. 6:00 am Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== VA [Frank Van Bogaert] Closer Edition #4 Sampler (Groove) VA [Epiphany] Mind Song Edition #4 Sampler (Groove) VA [Epiphany] Sea Burst Edition #4 Sampler (Groove) VA [Create] Narissa Edition #4 Sampler (Groove) 6:30 am Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== Klaus Schulze Into the Blue In Blue (Revisited) VA [Dolores Castro] So Much Sequences No. 30 (EMMA) Team Metlay Wiard on ACID Beneath Stars (Atomic City) Team Metlay False Dawn Beneath Stars (Atomic City) Team Metlay Loremarie? Beneath Stars (Atomic City) Team Metlay Coming Through 1999 Beneath Stars (Atomic City) 7:00 am Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== Pinnacle The Life In A Year Meld (Everything To Excess) IQ Leap of Faith Forever Live (InsideOut) 7:30 am Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== IQ Nostalgia/Falling Apart Forever Live (InsideOut) at the Seam IQ The Last Human Gateway Forever Live (InsideOut) IQ Fading Senses Forever Live (InsideOut) Pax Romana From the Mist Rows the Trace of Light (Silence) Bard 8:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show on November 12. On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Bill ========================================================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm ========================================================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ========================================================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 18:46:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D71C3BED3; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 18:46:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <05ff01c5e3cb$83d49320$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <20051103065512.6B8283BF1C@arsenic.violacea.com> <008401c5e08c$d402e550$b9b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <009401c5e090$cc9cfcc0$b9b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <436A37AF.20706@pdq.net> Subject: Bill Walker's Y2K5 Performance Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:46:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 18:46:26 +0000 (UTC) Hi Bill, I haven't listen to your performance in Zurich, ....but now I'm listen to that from the Y2K5. Amazing ! Fabio Anile http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 23:23:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B8003BECA; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 23:23:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OoT9JQieuYbPVIUGGck452rzPJn2VlGcG8PXUdf1TSN3EB/lyBkyDBv9S1gHQL2A+txpgQd8+/nYihipHOVI9lWSia5MZeNS/YwcVza5c19G1agbzXISaVvMOZvCGRWhyEpTNawuzQl+UtS/itcxIstiOn9kzEAVdHoovjdZUn4= ; Message-ID: <20051107232316.59683.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 15:23:15 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: New Boss Looper RC-50 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0MKoyl-1EYT1G0Sy7-0006nH@mrelay.perfora.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 23:23:17 +0000 (UTC) I love a section of the MC-307 manual. I don't remember the exact wording but it was something like, "Grab and twist knob until desired level of grooviness is attained." [filter cutoff I think] You can't make shit like that up. --- hazard factor wrote: > Funny, this reads like a typical Roland manual... __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 7 23:55:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B67E73BED2; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 23:55:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 15:52:41 -0800 (PST) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: digitalhell Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: handheld music lovers rejoice Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 23:55:42 +0000 (UTC) new version of beatpad out. I used the previsou version with a Korg ER1 and Nord modular for all my handheld music gigs. best music/midi software I have ever used. simple and powerful. http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/2005/BeatPad-11.html PS: You can check out free samples of my handheld hows/live album on the website below. Just go tothe Catalog and scroll down to handheld music. ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 01:59:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97F713BECA; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 01:59:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=HOKrx0uY+a/iDmomXmaiBmZ8Ow2tKqSh5mgfYOVIhaJxREtSgia2UnkYhCUYgF4T; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200511282248120@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: fretless fest Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 21:02:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940fc76b52dc5ff36457988a4d1dbdf5329350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.21.71 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 01:59:05 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hey Gang: The 12/05 Guitar Player magazine has a sidebar on the NYC Fretless Guitar Festival, which I'm sure some of you attended. ( www.unfretted.com ) Sonic Joy, Tim Mungenast Timothy Mungenast mungenast@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

    Hey Gang:
    The 12/05 Guitar Player magazine has a sidebar on the NYC Fretless Guitar Festival, which I'm sure some of you attended.
     
    Sonic Joy,
    Tim Mungenast
      
     
     
    Timothy Mungenast
    Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
     

    ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 02:11:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57CCD3BEB8; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 02:11:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4370091E.7060203@biink.com> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 21:10:38 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mungenast@earthlink.net, Loopers-Delight Subject: Re: fretless fest References: <410-2200511282248120@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <410-2200511282248120@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 02:11:42 +0000 (UTC) Timothy Mungenast wrote: > Hey Gang: > The 12/05 Guitar Player magazine has a sidebar on the NYC Fretless > Guitar Festival, which I'm sure some of you attended. > ( www.unfretted.com ) Right in my backyard and they didn't even think of asking me to play. :-) Kidding. I knew about it, but it was so short notice. I couldn't make it. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 14:40:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 710833BED2; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:40:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: Rachel Goulding To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: query 'real time live looping' Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:41:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2005 14:37:10.0693 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6F12D50:01C5E471] X-Scanned-By: MailControl A-05-40-01 (www.mailcontrol.com) on 10.67.0.125 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:40:54 +0000 (UTC) hey i can imagine this is a popular question but ive scrawled the website with no luck so any help would be much appreciated, i play as the only guitarist in a three piece punk rock band i had the idea to get a BOss rc-20 so i could record a chord progression or a part of a song so it loops and then play lead over it. i nearly bought one but then i read in reviews its almost impossible to get the loop to sync naturally with the drums obviously i have it in mind to use this regularly live. is their a product that i could do this with? because we are a predominatly live and untechnical band no song or set is ever exactley the same so incorporating samplers,triggers and midi clocks would be really difficult, i just want some thing i can stamp on to record and stamp on to stop and stamp on to wipe. thanks to anyone who reads this, and again any advice would be great and i dont have much money to spend so cheap and simple solutions many thanks Rachel Connaught honoured AIM 'Decade of Excellence' Award Connaught awarded Partnering Contractor of the Year 2005 Connaught wins AIM 'Company of the Year' award 2004 West of England Business of the Year Award Winner 2003 Why not visit our website http://www.connaught.plc.uk Disclaimer: The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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Connaught plc, Head Office 01392 444546 The presence of this footer indicates that this message has been scanned for viruses by Network Associates Group Shield From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 14:55:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27F343BEDB; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:55:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tb8Wqg95F/4VoEur/EGLmGDGXJl43ADi3swCsnooRAqd8NKGA7ftq2Xd+95neKCl91Cm+LhbxAwUBSHdczhH13dwDUbTXZtujzDHOU86tuqlsCeZK1Oii4m/0CFZRGjTrNS4K0bDLucEZLFHEmElV2mChCnGw67tl5dL/gXYk58= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 06:55:42 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: query 'real time live looping' In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:55:44 +0000 (UTC) Well, if your timing is good, and the drummer wants to make it work, and can hear the loop clearly, it can be done. Your timing and the drummer's attitude are factors that your band has a lot of say in, but the monitoring at gigs can be a bit of a crapshoot. If you have a second, dedicated looping amp that you can put right by the drummer, that'd help a lot. TravisH On 11/8/05, Rachel Goulding wrote: > > hey > > i can imagine this is a popular question but ive scrawled the website wit= h > no luck so any help would be much appreciated, > > i play as the only guitarist in a three piece punk rock band i had the id= ea > to get a BOss rc-20 so i could record a chord progression or a part of a > song so it loops and then play lead over it. > > i nearly bought one but then i read in reviews its almost impossible to = get > the loop to sync naturally with the drums obviously i have it in mind to = use > this regularly live. > > is their a product that i could do this with? because we are a predominat= ly > live and untechnical band no song or set is ever exactley the same so > incorporating samplers,triggers and midi clocks would be really difficul= t, > i just want some thing i can stamp on to record and stamp on to stop and > stamp on to wipe. > > thanks to anyone who reads this, and again any advice would be great and = i > dont have much money to spend so cheap and simple solutions > > many thanks > > Rachel > > > > > > > > Connaught honoured AIM 'Decade of Excellence' Award > > Connaught awarded Partnering Contractor of the Year 2005 > > Connaught wins AIM 'Company of the Year' award 2004 > > West of England Business of the Year Award Winner 2003 > > Why not visit our website http://www.connaught.plc.uk > > Disclaimer: > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive= d > this in error, please contact the sender and delete this message. > > Connaught plc, Head Office 01392 444546 > > The presence of this footer indicates that this message has been scanned = for > viruses by Network Associates Group Shield > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 14:59:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3E503BEDA; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:59:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 09:58:12 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Re: query 'real time live looping' In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: <8Ig0SB.A.RuD.X1LcDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:59:35 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, 8 Nov 2005, Rachel Goulding wrote: > > hey > > i can imagine this is a popular question but ive scrawled the website with > no luck so any help would be much appreciated, > > i play as the only guitarist in a three piece punk rock band i had the idea > to get a BOss rc-20 so i could record a chord progression or a part of a > song so it loops and then play lead over it. > > i nearly bought one but then i read in reviews its almost impossible to get > the loop to sync naturally with the drums obviously i have it in mind to use > this regularly live. > > is their a product that i could do this with? because we are a predominatly > live and untechnical band no song or set is ever exactley the same so > incorporating samplers,triggers and midi clocks would be really difficult, > i just want some thing i can stamp on to record and stamp on to stop and > stamp on to wipe. > > thanks to anyone who reads this, and again any advice would be great and i > dont have much money to spend so cheap and simple solutions > > many thanks > > Rachel For simple as you describe, I suggest looking for an Akai Headrush. There's two versions, the older silver Headrush E1 (out of production), and a blue Headrush E2 (currently in production, I think). I have an E1 - it does up to about 11 seconds of loop that you can then record another layer on top of, or 21 seconds of loop that you can't record another layer onto. (In both cases of course, you can play live over the playing loop.) The Headrush also tends to be cheaper than the RC-20 (XL or not). best, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 15:21:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 138853BEE8; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:21:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: Rachel Goulding To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: query 'real time live looping' Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:22:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2005 15:17:54.0006 (UTC) FILETIME=[97452760:01C5E477] X-Scanned-By: MailControl A-05-40-01 (www.mailcontrol.com) on 10.67.0.135 Resent-Message-ID: <1FYtMD.A.XOE.7JMcDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:21:32 +0000 (UTC) okay thanks for suggestions ill look into them our band is impecably tight tho so if the latency/bad sync effect is not a product fault and more a musician fault then i could still get the boss? but basically if your saying the looper is gonna be incharge of timing and it could be anything then i wouldnt wanna attempt it thanks -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 2:56 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: query 'real time live looping' Well, if your timing is good, and the drummer wants to make it work, and can hear the loop clearly, it can be done. Your timing and the drummer's attitude are factors that your band has a lot of say in, but the monitoring at gigs can be a bit of a crapshoot. If you have a second, dedicated looping amp that you can put right by the drummer, that'd help a lot. TravisH On 11/8/05, Rachel Goulding wrote: > > hey > > i can imagine this is a popular question but ive scrawled the website with > no luck so any help would be much appreciated, > > i play as the only guitarist in a three piece punk rock band i had the idea > to get a BOss rc-20 so i could record a chord progression or a part of a > song so it loops and then play lead over it. > > i nearly bought one but then i read in reviews its almost impossible to get > the loop to sync naturally with the drums obviously i have it in mind to use > this regularly live. > > is their a product that i could do this with? because we are a predominatly > live and untechnical band no song or set is ever exactley the same so > incorporating samplers,triggers and midi clocks would be really difficult, > i just want some thing i can stamp on to record and stamp on to stop and > stamp on to wipe. > > thanks to anyone who reads this, and again any advice would be great and i > dont have much money to spend so cheap and simple solutions > > many thanks > > Rachel > > > > > > > > Connaught honoured AIM 'Decade of Excellence' Award > > Connaught awarded Partnering Contractor of the Year 2005 > > Connaught wins AIM 'Company of the Year' award 2004 > > West of England Business of the Year Award Winner 2003 > > Why not visit our website http://www.connaught.plc.uk > > Disclaimer: > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete this message. > > Connaught plc, Head Office 01392 444546 > > The presence of this footer indicates that this message has been scanned for > viruses by Network Associates Group Shield > > Connaught honoured AIM 'Decade of Excellence' Award Connaught awarded Partnering Contractor of the Year 2005 Connaught wins AIM 'Company of the Year' award 2004 West of England Business of the Year Award Winner 2003 Why not visit our website http://www.connaught.plc.uk Disclaimer: The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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Connaught plc, Head Office 01392 444546 The presence of this footer indicates that this message has been scanned for viruses by Network Associates Group Shield From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 15:47:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD10B3BEDE; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:47:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <04e401c5e47b$b32cdfa0$b9b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Pictures of RC-50 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 08:47:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_04E1_01C5E441.05FE3480" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.000000 Possible url forgery/scam=2.0 X-UrlForgery: (http://www.roland.co.jp) (http://www.rola) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 375, in=161543, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:47:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_04E1_01C5E441.05FE3480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I apologize if anyone sent this URL already, but it shows some good = pictures of the RC-50. http://www.roland.co.jp/products/boss/RC-50.html It wasn't clear to me in the prior emails...does this unit provide = something equivalent to Multiply so that once you record a loop, you = aren't limited to that length for additional loops? I wasn't sure if the = phrase 1, 2, 3 buttons added this feature. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_04E1_01C5E441.05FE3480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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    It wasn't clear to me in the prior = emails...does=20 this unit provide something equivalent to Multiply so that once you = record a=20 loop, you aren't limited to that length for additional loops? I wasn't = sure if=20 the phrase 1, 2, 3 buttons added this feature.
     
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    ------=_NextPart_000_04E1_01C5E441.05FE3480-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 15:57:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 838583BEE1; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:57:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jX0n/m6IfDEkTOEH9rJZpA3k0+af6234LXBLYBU1ji2JiwpubWbnELLVrR3K+rYY8fqZlbi5hmo12d9We9hnt+pji+WdWshlSsKPu3gwvujmWRIF9OCbYD6qmdTmYlxBXMBKh00NKq4X40TfeT7Lk1glcuMDY76l5Sok/SmKVVQ= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 07:57:36 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: query 'real time live looping' In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:57:39 +0000 (UTC) Looping technique has two timing aspects: learning to define the start and end points of the loop (tapping a foot at the desired point of the downbeat while playing their instrument isn't a skill that all musicians develop in the typical course of development) and actually playing in time within that period while the loop is running (this often comes a surprise to many musicians). The musicians in a tight trio have learned to monitor the other two musicians' playing and adjust their own playing to sync with them without thinking about it.=20 A band can be "tight" yet still have tempo fluctuations--everyone just fluctuates together. Once you've got a looper you've got to "tight" in the sense of all following the loop. If the drummer can sync to the loop while you're soloing, then the bassist can follow the drummer (usually easier to hear than the rhythm guitar track) and you can wail away on top. If the loop tempo breathes a bit because that's what the band was doing when you recorded the loop, then everyone has to follow that while the loop's in playback. I may be making this sound harder than it'll be in practice if your band is already pretty tight. Some looping devices have "tempo adjust" features, where they take your loop and stretch it to make it fit a tempo, but it sounds like you don't want that. TravisH On 11/8/05, Rachel Goulding wrote: > okay thanks for suggestions ill look into them > > our band is impecably tight tho so if the latency/bad sync effect is not = a > product fault and more a musician fault then i could still get the boss? > > but basically if your saying the looper is gonna be incharge of timing a= nd > it could be anything then i wouldnt wanna attempt it > > thanks > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 16:30:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 618E93BEE1; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 16:30:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: Rachel Goulding To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: query 'real time live looping' Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 16:30:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2005 16:26:19.0271 (UTC) FILETIME=[2632E170:01C5E481] X-Scanned-By: MailControl A-05-40-01 (www.mailcontrol.com) on 10.67.0.127 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 16:30:00 +0000 (UTC) with you, and thats been really helpfull thanks -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 3:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: query 'real time live looping' Looping technique has two timing aspects: learning to define the start and end points of the loop (tapping a foot at the desired point of the downbeat while playing their instrument isn't a skill that all musicians develop in the typical course of development) and actually playing in time within that period while the loop is running (this often comes a surprise to many musicians). The musicians in a tight trio have learned to monitor the other two musicians' playing and adjust their own playing to sync with them without thinking about it. A band can be "tight" yet still have tempo fluctuations--everyone just fluctuates together. Once you've got a looper you've got to "tight" in the sense of all following the loop. If the drummer can sync to the loop while you're soloing, then the bassist can follow the drummer (usually easier to hear than the rhythm guitar track) and you can wail away on top. If the loop tempo breathes a bit because that's what the band was doing when you recorded the loop, then everyone has to follow that while the loop's in playback. I may be making this sound harder than it'll be in practice if your band is already pretty tight. Some looping devices have "tempo adjust" features, where they take your loop and stretch it to make it fit a tempo, but it sounds like you don't want that. TravisH On 11/8/05, Rachel Goulding wrote: > okay thanks for suggestions ill look into them > > our band is impecably tight tho so if the latency/bad sync effect is not a > product fault and more a musician fault then i could still get the boss? > > but basically if your saying the looper is gonna be incharge of timing and > it could be anything then i wouldnt wanna attempt it > > thanks > > Connaught honoured AIM 'Decade of Excellence' Award Connaught awarded Partnering Contractor of the Year 2005 Connaught wins AIM 'Company of the Year' award 2004 West of England Business of the Year Award Winner 2003 Why not visit our website http://www.connaught.plc.uk Disclaimer: The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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Connaught plc, Head Office 01392 444546 The presence of this footer indicates that this message has been scanned for viruses by Network Associates Group Shield From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 16:38:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28E263BEDD; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 16:38:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JT6kdp6CEtdhpCcVWxiLs1vQTnszs+dOqip4R565FEPM6JZy+GLcNCJZ2q0vLGlqqxitlJFqXHbJHCK2VJOdLghkIGy/Z/wPg4UkVCGzHdlqTgBHidLdIz1zk1UI4ywOdAmgpEbN9+q9bsPTLp/ClCI38d17WsGgL17CygDnhgk= ; Message-ID: <20051108163842.52114.qmail@web35115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 08:38:42 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Subject: Y2K5 MP3's - THX for Making Available - Great Listening To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-92298026-1131467922=:49719" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 16:38:44 +0000 (UTC) --0-92298026-1131467922=:49719 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Almost like being there. 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    Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --0-92298026-1131467922=:49719-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 18:22:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A10E73BECF; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 18:22:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RC-50, mystery box Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 09:45:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcXke6IA3yifiepyQ5ikBXB7r58bWgAD/KJQ In-Reply-To: <04e401c5e47b$b32cdfa0$b9b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-Id: <20051108174441.MKXK29333.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 18:22:26 +0000 (UTC) Nice to see that Roland is taking the looping market seriously . . . wonder what the list will be on this box. It sorta looks like FB is achievable with an expression pedal, and it's nice that it has MIDI in and out (and probably soft thru)--and USB is a blessing. All will be revealed in time, but doesn't it look like a logical evolution from the popular RC-20? So far, looks good! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 18:52:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D2AD3BEDA; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 18:52:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jfloridis@aol.com Message-ID: <20c.dd9d229.30a24ddb@aol.com> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 13:52:11 EST Subject: RC-50: simultaneous loops-different lengths? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_20c.dd9d229.30a24ddb_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 18:52:17 +0000 (UTC) --part1_20c.dd9d229.30a24ddb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i don't know if this has come up, but is the feeling out there that this unit, the rc-50, will have the capacity for doing loops of different length simultaneously? ie, an acoustici guitarist recording an 8 bar chord progression over a 2 bar percussion loop? jf --part1_20c.dd9d229.30a24ddb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i don't know if this has come up, but i= s the feeling out there that this unit, the rc-50, will have the capacity fo= r doing loops of different length simultaneously?  ie, an acoustici gu= itarist recording an 8 bar chord progression over a 2 bar percussion loop?
    jf     --part1_20c.dd9d229.30a24ddb_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 18:55:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25F523BEE2; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 18:55:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4370F487.5030704@pdq.net> Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 12:55:03 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50: simultaneous loops-different lengths? References: <20c.dd9d229.30a24ddb@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <20c.dd9d229.30a24ddb@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 18:55:04 +0000 (UTC) Or an ambient guitar player playing a 3.237485 measure melodic part over a 12.34902 bar bed of drones? :) I can't wait to find out the answers to these questions! Jfloridis@aol.com wrote: > i don't know if this has come up, but is the feeling out there that > this unit, the rc-50, will have the capacity for doing loops of > different length simultaneously? ie, an acoustici guitarist recording > an 8 bar chord progression over a 2 bar percussion loop? > > jf From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 19:11:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F3FC3BEEA; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 19:11:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 20:15:09 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: query 'real time live looping' X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 19:11:55 +0000 (UTC) Travis, > if your timing is good, and the drummer wants to make it work, > and can hear the loop clearly, it can be done. I remember seeing the wondrous Danielle Dax in the late eighties. She had a three piece band with her - drums, bass, guitar - but for several of the songs the rhythm guitar, keyboards and even percussion was on tape with the rest live. Weird, but it worked - and it swung as good as can be! As you say, it can be done! Whatever happened to her? -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 19:18:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 198203BEF4; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 19:18:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lm7+wJuSZQnFbxOfBp3LHDHcrduZLifNg9gheeGoh0NWVOcsmXffIWg6650ivymt0EE4qqwmGFI1VBNwVV3REwZkuSlX+4GOGu/HCKleDMeGn4H4w/ZWN/ofKFfK8PneiTKr5ZPGgbPsUEK4io+R1DTNaC4onhl4Pc+plKUrsLg= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 11:18:40 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: query 'real time live looping' In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: <11V6QC.A.JwD.UoPcDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 19:18:44 +0000 (UTC) She became a garden designer. Really. I think that if the entire song has a backing track, be it on tape or a loop, that's easier for the musicians since they don't have to shift in mid-song between a more fluid, collective groove over to syncing to a loop and then back. I'm not necessarily opposed to either, mind you, but it's a different set of challenges. TravisH On 11/8/05, Ian Petersen wrote: > Travis, > > > if your timing is good, and the drummer wants to make it work, > > and can hear the loop clearly, it can be done. > > I remember seeing the wondrous Danielle Dax in the late eighties. She > had a three piece band with her - drums, bass, guitar - but for several > of the songs the rhythm guitar, keyboards and even percussion was on > tape with the rest live. Weird, but it worked - and it swung as good as > can be! As you say, it can be done! > > Whatever happened to her? > > -- > > Ian Petersen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 20:05:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF2243BEE0; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 20:05:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.95.33.106] X-Originating-Email: [david_rolling@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: david_rolling@sympatico.ca From: "David Rolling" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: CFC's for Repeater Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 20:05:34 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2005 20:05:34.0278 (UTC) FILETIME=[C731A660:01C5E49F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 20:05:36 +0000 (UTC) Hi all. Been lurking around the site for years & finally joined up. Everything's going into my junkmail folder, and the only time I answered to a post, it went straight to the sender. I didn't see my own message till they responded. I guess I'll have to cut&paste from my junkmail to my inbox in order to participate. Bit of a pain, but no more difficult than making accurate loops with my old PDS8000. Anyway, I've never been able to find a CFC that worked w/my Repeater, other than the SimpleTech 32MB that it shipped with. I've tried the recommended brands w/no success, and they're not easy to return, considering that there's nothing really wrong w/them, other than their incompatability w/the Repeater. I understand that the 'Hitachi control chip set' is crucial, but am met w/blank stares at computer & camera stores. The cards never indicate that info either. Of all the vagaries & peculiarities of the Repeater, this one's the most vexing to me. Are cards w/this chip still being made? Where can I get one in Canada? Thanks, David Rolling From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 20:45:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 524F83BEE8; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 20:45:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <4370F487.5030704@pdq.net> References: <20c.dd9d229.30a24ddb@aol.com> <4370F487.5030704@pdq.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: RC-50: simultaneous loops-different lengths? Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:45:07 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 20:45:10 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 8, 2005, at 12:55 PM, Doug Cox wrote: > Or an ambient guitar player playing a 3.237485 measure melodic part > over a 12.34902 bar bed of drones? :) > > I can't wait to find out the answers to these questions! i can see this thing bringing a whole new dimension to Mark Smart's guitar act. i can't believe he gets it together as well as he does with the RC-20s. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 21:20:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BE443BEF1; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 21:20:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AAAAANKjcEOCKYNjAQEBAQcIAiU Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051108211048.02dc3d20@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 21:18:38 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:RC-50 ..the big questions In-Reply-To: <20051108191845.8B2D53BEFA@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051108191845.8B2D53BEFA@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 21:20:37 +0000 (UTC) Gary says >It sorta looks like FB is achievable with an expression pedal, how'd ya figure that? I read the info as saying "no feedback control, but can do a fade out on switch off of the loop" ...but I want you to be right :-) Kris says >It wasn't clear to me in the prior emails...does this unit provide >something equivalent to Multiply so that once you record a loop, you >aren't limited to that length for additional loops? I wasn't sure if >the phrase 1, 2, 3 buttons added this feature. Current info seems to be that you have a choice of either unsynced, or exactly the same length. the fun thing is, seems it will time stretch an unsynced loop to fit. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 21:21:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B89F43BEF5; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 21:21:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cXr35ibyi/6TQgAhvnFFLeINwwCcRC/H1CHxo+NsIMahGhGgPvCCW7xLzJw0PeqKjtCLz7RWr7veNRJCyHm/3D4a8CiuQKcWDvovNCNFDpWqf3sA5tmdVJ9+vutD+vUl7xsTpZ6V9vpLfi6jsqV1z2mgXfAeR3jh1UofEK/kTp4= Message-ID: <26ba8d120511081321g698acd6ev832b1ff106b13b37@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 16:21:35 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: mungenast@earthlink.net Subject: Re: fretless fest Cc: Loopers-Delight In-Reply-To: <410-2200511282248120@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <410-2200511282248120@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 21:21:37 +0000 (UTC) Did they manage to raise enough money to buy themselves the missing frets?? On 11/7/05, Timothy Mungenast wrote: > > > > Hey Gang: > The 12/05 Guitar Player magazine has a sidebar on the NYC Fretless Guitar > Festival, which I'm sure some of you attended. > ( www.unfretted.com ) > > Sonic Joy, > Tim Mungenast > > > > Timothy Mungenast > mungenast@earthlink.net > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. > > > > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 22:04:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 624963BEDB; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 22:04:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=VxTYuD9gdGgd5RKeM11fpCSEP4+Qfw+7LHQKktsuc6EIDjvHvqRlzWcyUQ0sW53z; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22005112822752210@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: fretless fest Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 17:07:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940c0b507889ebebd703dfc54bb7558cf33350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.20 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 22:04:07 +0000 (UTC) Nice one, man! Thanks for the much-needed laugh! ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Tom Ritchford > To: > Cc: Loopers-Delight > Date: 11/8/2005 4:21:37 PM > Subject: Re: fretless fest > > Did they manage to raise enough money to buy themselves the missing frets?? > > On 11/7/05, Timothy Mungenast wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey Gang: > > The 12/05 Guitar Player magazine has a sidebar on the NYC Fretless Guitar > > Festival, which I'm sure some of you attended. > > ( www.unfretted.com ) > > > > Sonic Joy, > > Tim Mungenast > > > > > > > > Timothy Mungenast > > mungenast@earthlink.net > > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 22:07:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C6133BEE2; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 22:07:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rP863wjiXu1s5Okub7Zg29Kt9WcUl0Vp/OuJ4vRZ/tthXM4aipwSiIIjFxk/QRDhNKsBs99XeBrDaMYOotCF8YFcGrglkGJT96kWU7lO7Z/0VQJP4iBdh7Ly7xfqm9YSVRuLs2qLXiEhIBebASkkDy/EsSq5975dntKXdV9fvF4= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:07:31 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: fretless fest In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120511081321g698acd6ev832b1ff106b13b37@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <410-2200511282248120@earthlink.net> <26ba8d120511081321g698acd6ev832b1ff106b13b37@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 22:07:33 +0000 (UTC) I think they're still saving up for a tuner to share between them... On 11/8/05, Tom Ritchford wrote: > Did they manage to raise enough money to buy themselves the missing frets= ?? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 22:33:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEAD23BEEC; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 22:33:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <052c01c5e4b4$60f78e90$b9b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20051108191845.8B2D53BEFA@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051108211048.02dc3d20@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Re:RC-50 ..the big questions Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:33:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 376, in=173085, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 22:33:05 +0000 (UTC) > Kris says > >It wasn't clear to me in the prior emails...does this unit provide > >something equivalent to Multiply so that once you record a loop, you > >aren't limited to that length for additional loops? I wasn't sure if > >the phrase 1, 2, 3 buttons added this feature. > > Current info seems to be that you have a choice of either unsynced, > or exactly the same length. > > the fun thing is, seems it will time stretch an unsynced loop to fit. > > andy butler That's interesting...time stretch without pitch transposition, I assume? Is it just too hard to develop a multiply-like function in one of these units? Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 23:07:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 126D43BED5; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 23:07:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=DSVYSm6gLYtqZol6ikXZm1wuTS2gQ0dNi/uxw4V/42wDIU53fqy9oeLrIPQsmEdi+YaG4BUhDYJnWV4PnN4rWKzKIv3Aj+FNGlJgrmSW8DzLhm6GaNFQ3x/JbsjCVonB7XNNksTN0zAadfpg3+icb7f18bfmuh4elErpzpaGG5k= ; Message-ID: <20051108230735.44178.qmail@web26815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 00:07:35 +0100 (CET) From: Romain Subject: Re: Re:RC-50 ..the big questions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <052c01c5e4b4$60f78e90$b9b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 23:07:37 +0000 (UTC) Do we have any info about its price and availability ? --- Kris Hartung a écrit : > > Kris says > > >It wasn't clear to me in the prior emails...does > this unit provide > > >something equivalent to Multiply so that once you > record a loop, you > > >aren't limited to that length for additional > loops? I wasn't sure if > > >the phrase 1, 2, 3 buttons added this feature. > > > > Current info seems to be that you have a choice of > either unsynced, > > or exactly the same length. > > > > the fun thing is, seems it will time stretch an > unsynced loop to fit. > > > > andy butler > > That's interesting...time stretch without pitch > transposition, I assume? > Is it just too hard to develop a multiply-like > function in one of these > units? > > Kris > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 23:47:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECB4D3BECF; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 23:47:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6mtr3xdfQ6ZYhXPB0seqEnRuVR2zXwpgvPHJ2KN8L4Cic7i+RJyFMeLdHDWadNB7v9D9UWTTQp+9eZJ8Lnt1PXlDxo4cc1XdHamRBiaZhV9XOuIJRPrfDQKna759vsq7J6gqnvk98IsYFa53s8bi0/eWUsn4YnBwSgMR8Z3EqA0= ; Message-ID: <20051108234724.5110.qmail@web34903.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:47:24 -0800 (PST) From: ditch wrestler Subject: Re: Re:RC-50 ..the big questions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051108230735.44178.qmail@web26815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-508441632-1131493644=:3204" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <2xzmFD.A.N7E.NkTcDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 23:47:25 +0000 (UTC) --0-508441632-1131493644=:3204 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I had my LMS guy call Roland Canada and the rep he spoke to said this was the first he had heard/seen of the unit. The rep said, though, that this isn't uncommon for Roland and that based on past experience, it'll probably be at the Winter NAMM show. ted. Romain wrote: Do we have any info about its price and availability ? --- Kris Hartung a écrit : > > Kris says > > >It wasn't clear to me in the prior emails...does > this unit provide > > >something equivalent to Multiply so that once you > record a loop, you > > >aren't limited to that length for additional > loops? I wasn't sure if > > >the phrase 1, 2, 3 buttons added this feature. > > > > Current info seems to be that you have a choice of > either unsynced, > > or exactly the same length. > > > > the fun thing is, seems it will time stretch an > unsynced loop to fit. > > > > andy butler > > That's interesting...time stretch without pitch > transposition, I assume? > Is it just too hard to develop a multiply-like > function in one of these > units? > > Kris > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --0-508441632-1131493644=:3204 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    I had my LMS guy call Roland Canada and the rep he spoke to said this was the first he had heard/seen of the unit.
     
    The rep said, though, that this isn't uncommon for Roland and that based on past experience, it'll probably be at the Winter NAMM show.
     
     
    ted.

    Romain <rtristelune@yahoo.fr> wrote:
    Do we have any info about its price and availability ?

    --- Kris Hartung a écrit :

    > > Kris says
    > > >It wasn't clear to me in the prior emails...does
    > this unit provide
    > > >something equivalent to Multiply so that once you
    > record a loop, you
    > > >aren't limited to that length for additional
    > loops? I wasn't sure if
    > > >the phrase 1, 2, 3 buttons added this feature.
    > >
    > > Current info seems to be that you have a choice of
    > either unsynced,
    > > or exactly the same length.
    > >
    > > the fun thing is, seems it will time stretch an
    > unsynced loop to fit.
    > >
    > > andy butler
    >
    > That's interesting...time stretch without pitch
    > transposition, I assume?
    > Is it just too hard to develop a multiply-like
    > function in one of these
    > units?
    >
    > Kris
    >
    >
    >







    ___________________________________________________________________________
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FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --0-508441632-1131493644=:3204-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 8 23:49:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58CAB3BEDE; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 23:49:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.68.214.68] X-Originating-Email: [david_rolling@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: david_rolling@sympatico.ca In-Reply-To: <20051108230735.44178.qmail@web26815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> From: "David Rolling" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re:RC-50 ..the big questions Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 23:49:03 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2005 23:49:03.0785 (UTC) FILETIME=[FFE20990:01C5E4BE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 23:49:06 +0000 (UTC) A poster from thegearpage e-mailed Roland who replied that it would be featured at winter NAMM and shipping sometime next year. No info on price. BTW- I'm new & trying to participate here, but when I send to the LD mailing list, the message come straight back to my inbox. The only way anything I write turns up is when I respond to a pre-existing post. What am I diong wrong? thanks, David Rolling >From: Romain >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Re:RC-50 ..the big questions >Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 00:07:35 +0100 (CET) > >Do we have any info about its price and availability ? > >--- Kris Hartung a écrit : > > > > Kris says > > > >It wasn't clear to me in the prior emails...does > > this unit provide > > > >something equivalent to Multiply so that once you > > record a loop, you > > > >aren't limited to that length for additional > > loops? I wasn't sure if > > > >the phrase 1, 2, 3 buttons added this feature. > > > > > > Current info seems to be that you have a choice of > > either unsynced, > > > or exactly the same length. > > > > > > the fun thing is, seems it will time stretch an > > unsynced loop to fit. > > > > > > andy butler > > > > That's interesting...time stretch without pitch > > transposition, I assume? > > Is it just too hard to develop a multiply-like > > function in one of these > > units? > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ >Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger >Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 00:43:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE3523BEE0; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 00:43:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001601c5e4c7$08d48f20$e965dd0c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <20c.dd9d229.30a24ddb@aol.com> <4370F487.5030704@pdq.net> Subject: Re: RC-50: simultaneous loops-different lengths? Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 18:46:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <6EXZ0B.A.nf.9YUcDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 00:43:41 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suit & Tie Guy" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 2:45 PM Subject: Re: RC-50: simultaneous loops-different lengths? > On Nov 8, 2005, at 12:55 PM, Doug Cox wrote: > > Or an ambient guitar player playing a 3.237485 measure melodic part > > over a 12.34902 bar bed of drones? :) > > > > I can't wait to find out the answers to these questions! > > i can see this thing bringing a whole new dimension to Mark Smart's > guitar act. i can't believe he gets it together as well as he does with > the RC-20s. > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com Hi. Glad you like the looping setup. I use the RC-20s for playback only, and the Echoplex to do the main looping. I can keep the loops in time pretty well if I do it in such a way that I never have to hit more than one pedal at a time. I won't be getting an RC-50, though, because I just decided to go nuts and ordered an Open Labs NeKo, on which I will run Reaktor to do all the looping. And I can add my synthesizer big band horns, too. Unfortunately I have to wait 6-8 weeks for them to build it! If this works out as well as I think I might have a couple of RC-20s (old kind), a Jamman AND an Echoplex for sale soon. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 01:57:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B71AA3BEE2; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 01:57:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= In-Reply-To: <001601c5e4c7$08d48f20$e965dd0c@insightbb.com> References: <20c.dd9d229.30a24ddb@aol.com> <4370F487.5030704@pdq.net> <001601c5e4c7$08d48f20$e965dd0c@insightbb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-722827171 Message-Id: From: David Coffin Subject: Re: RC-50: simultaneous loops-different lengths? Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 17:56:06 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: <0MYglB.A.zVC.3dVcDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 01:57:11 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-722827171 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Ooo! PLEASE keep us updated on how this works out! VERY interesting... On Nov 8, 2005, at 4:46 PM, Mark Smart wrote: > I won't be getting an RC-50, though, because I just decided to go > nuts and > ordered an Open Labs NeKo, on which I will run Reaktor to do all > the looping. > --Apple-Mail-2-722827171 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Ooo! PLEASE keep us updated on how this works out! VERY interesting...


    On Nov 8, 2005, at 4:46 PM, Mark Smart wrote:

    I won't be getting an RC-50, though, because I just decided to go nuts and

    ordered an Open Labs NeKo, on which I will run Reaktor to do all the looping.



    --Apple-Mail-2-722827171-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 03:17:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 929063BED8; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 03:17:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: RC-50: simultaneous loops-different lengths? Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 04:18:29 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c5e4dc$43c10b30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <001601c5e4c7$08d48f20$e965dd0c@insightbb.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 03:17:14 +0000 (UTC) Could you think about making your Reaktor looping ensembles available to the public domain? I have been thinking about doing something in reaktor for a long time, yet didn't invest the time to get familiar with this beast. Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Mark Smart [mailto:mwsmart@insightbb.com]=20 Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. November 2005 01:47 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: RC-50: simultaneous loops-different lengths? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Suit & Tie Guy" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 2:45 PM Subject: Re: RC-50: simultaneous loops-different lengths? > On Nov 8, 2005, at 12:55 PM, Doug Cox wrote: > > Or an ambient guitar player playing a 3.237485 measure melodic part=20 > > over a 12.34902 bar bed of drones? :) > > > > I can't wait to find out the answers to these questions! > > i can see this thing bringing a whole new dimension to Mark Smart's=20 > guitar act. i can't believe he gets it together as well as he does=20 > with the RC-20s. > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com Hi. Glad you like the looping setup. I use the RC-20s for playback only, and the Echoplex to do the main looping. I can keep the loops in time pretty well if I do it in such a way that I never have to hit more than one pedal at a time. I won't be getting an RC-50, though, because I just decided to go nuts and ordered an Open Labs NeKo, on which I will run Reaktor to do all the looping. And I can add my synthesizer big band horns, too. Unfortunately I have to wait 6-8 weeks for them to build it! If this works out as well as I think I might have a couple of RC-20s (old kind), a Jamman AND an Echoplex for sale soon. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 03:59:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8ECE3BEE4; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 03:59:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000601c5e4e2$75b894e0$e965dd0c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <000001c5e4dc$43c10b30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Subject: Re: RC-50: simultaneous loops-different lengths? Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 22:02:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 03:59:59 +0000 (UTC) Sure, I'm not as posessive about that stuff as I am about the big band synth. I already started working it out on my PC using the Tapedeck modules in Reaktor. Basically there is a big sequencer that you set up for each song. For each step in the sequence you tell it what to do using a bunch of buttons. I also had it set up to control the switching of the bass and guitar sounds of the strings on the guitar (right now I'm using a switch on the guitar to do this). So I would set up the steps something like this: 1. Play the hi-hat drum loop and run all six strings through the octave divider for a bass sound. 2. Do the same as above, but recording the result into tapedeck 1. 3. Play a crash cymbal. Now switch to a drum loop at the same tempo but with a ride cymbal. Continue running all six strings through the octave divider. Record the result into Tapedaeck 2. 4. Play back Tapedeck 1. Run all six strings through the guitar amp simulator. (I would play the tune's head on this part). 5. Play a crash. Play back Tapedeck 2. Continue running all six strings through the guitar amp simulator (I would play a solo on this part). 6. Play a crash. Play back Tapedeck one. (I would play the head again on this part. 7. Silence (I would play a break on this part, like a Take the A Train ending or a BAsie ending. 8. Play a crash. Run the bottom two strings through the octave divider and the top four through the amp simulator. (I would play the last chord on this part). End of tune. I use a pedal to advance the sequencer to the next step at the right time. Pretty cool. Reaktor is the ultimate looping device if it's set up correctly. On the NeKo I will also be able to run the Native Instruments B4 program and feed it into Reaktor; that way I can lay down a jazz organ accompaniment and then play guitar over it. Eventually I will incorporate the big band synth into it: http://www.marksmart.net/sounddesign/windsounds/reaktorbigband/reaktorbigband.html I'm pretty excited about the possibilities! Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 9:18 PM Subject: AW: RC-50: simultaneous loops-different lengths? Could you think about making your Reaktor looping ensembles available to the public domain? I have been thinking about doing something in reaktor for a long time, yet didn't invest the time to get familiar with this beast. Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Mark Smart [mailto:mwsmart@insightbb.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. November 2005 01:47 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: RC-50: simultaneous loops-different lengths? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suit & Tie Guy" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 2:45 PM Subject: Re: RC-50: simultaneous loops-different lengths? > On Nov 8, 2005, at 12:55 PM, Doug Cox wrote: > > Or an ambient guitar player playing a 3.237485 measure melodic part > > over a 12.34902 bar bed of drones? :) > > > > I can't wait to find out the answers to these questions! > > i can see this thing bringing a whole new dimension to Mark Smart's > guitar act. i can't believe he gets it together as well as he does > with the RC-20s. > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com Hi. Glad you like the looping setup. I use the RC-20s for playback only, and the Echoplex to do the main looping. I can keep the loops in time pretty well if I do it in such a way that I never have to hit more than one pedal at a time. I won't be getting an RC-50, though, because I just decided to go nuts and ordered an Open Labs NeKo, on which I will run Reaktor to do all the looping. And I can add my synthesizer big band horns, too. Unfortunately I have to wait 6-8 weeks for them to build it! If this works out as well as I think I might have a couple of RC-20s (old kind), a Jamman AND an Echoplex for sale soon. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 04:41:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2AFB53BEEA; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 04:41:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19E99EE1-324A-4600-A50A-648B9B777F18@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Zoe Keating Subject: gig spam: cello loops in seattle, 11/11 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 20:41:15 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) X-Server-Quench: 112bdbf4-50db-11da-a87f-001185d377ca X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.43/Kp X-Powered-By: AuthSMTP - http://www.authsmtp.com - Authenticated SMTP Mail Relay X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 04:41:19 +0000 (UTC) Hi Loopers, I'll be playing in a looped cello set in Seattle on Friday, Nov 11th as part of the Rockrgrl Conference. Please, if you live in the Seattle area, or happen to be there this weekend, come out and see me!! Here are the details: Friday, Nov 11th midnight $7 Rendevous Grotto 2322 2nd Avenue venue website:http://www.jewelboxtheater.com/main/event.php?id=664 my site: http:///www.zoekeating.com Thank you very, very much, Zoe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 04:50:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBC913BEF3; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 04:50:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: RC-50 FB? Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 20:50:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051108211048.02dc3d20@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcXkqiEMlhr2XwpqSwyHvKaI3YVGlQAPqNEA Message-Id: <20051109044935.PKU29333.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 04:50:22 +0000 (UTC) -----Original Message----- From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 1:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:RC-50 ..the big questions Gary says >It sorta looks like FB is achievable with an expression pedal, how'd ya figure that? I read the info as saying "no feedback control, but can do a fade out on switch off of the loop" ...but I want you to be right :-) --->Translation says: As for the RC-50, while re-raising the phrase, tap * tempo and outside of the pedal with the expression * pedal which you connect, it is possible to change refresh rate into real time. But my head hurts when I try to follow the translation 8>) G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 08:14:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F2C33BED8; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:14:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <012601c5e505$8e65ca80$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" References: Subject: Synchronizing Real Time Drumming with a Prerecorded Loop was Re: query 'real time live looping' Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 00:14:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <1J0ICD.A.D_D.V_acDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:14:13 +0000 (UTC) Hey Rachel I read your queery on Loopers Delight and wanted to respond as I have a lot of experience with the situation that you want to create for yourself and your band. I am both a drummer, bassist, keyboardist, percussionist and vocalist who has been a professional for many years so I've been on both sides of the problem..........being the looper or responding to a loop that I can't control myself, live. Here's my take on the process for what it is worth: First of all, I agree with the other great advice given to you.............the drummer has to have excellent monitoring of the loop........I'd recommend a special extension speaker or even amp that is dedicated to them. If the drummer cannot hear the loop, all bets are off. The most professional drummer in the world cannot stay synchronized (as I embarassingly found out looping with my brother at my Dad's 80th birthday party this last Sunday...........) Secondly: Your loops are only as good as your own timing is! I have literally learned more about timing from live looping than in all the hundreds of click tracked recording sessions I have played in or the myriad of master musicians that I have accompanied from other cultures. All the devices, no matter how expensive are like this: You get out of the device what you put into it. That being said and done, you will have to practise a bunch to get the hang of recording (and more importantly truncating) your loops so that they loop smoothly. Once that is accomplished and if you are really tight with a good sense of rhythm, this won't be too difficult, the next step is getting your drummer to be able to play in sync with the loop and knowing what to do if he or she gets off of it (which is easy to do because we are human). This is not as simple a process as just playing together for these reasons: Human beings normally entrain with each other so that if one slows down just a little bit, the accompanying musician will compensate so that it sounds like you are playing together. Even in really good rhythm sections we do a lot of this very unconciously. If you analyze even the most competent studio group, rhythm sections will have tons and tons of very tiny rhythmic fluctuations from perfect metronomic time that are then compensated by natural entrainment. The net effect, of course, is that the audience doesn't hear these mistakes because you are percieved as playing together. When you make a rhythm guitar loop, however, the tiny imperfections in your own timing are set into stone and you don't have the luxury of the loop entraining with the drummer............................it's all up to the drummer to play with the loop. This is a lot more difficult than just being able to play tightly with each other. If you get down to really micro analyzing what happens when a drummer plays to a guitarists loop is that the drummer will still be making those tiny human mistakes that make a musician so much more interesting than listening to a strictly quantized midi sequence of samples.............they just have got to know how to compensate when they either speed up a little or slow down a little too much each time the perfectlly repeating loop happens. In the past I've posted a series of exercises to help drumset musicians (or indeed, anyone) learn how to not only play ahead of the beat or behind the beat but how to compensate in realtime if one goes to far to one side using a click track, metronome or sequenced part. This can, of course be adapted to playing with loops as well. I'll post it below. Additionally, I would be more than happy to e-mail with your drummer so I can explain it better...................or if we can find time, they can call me and have a quick discussion over the phone. If they want to talk to me, don't cold call me as I rarely answer my phone directly. Let's just arrange something over the web, first. Best of luck. I've never heard of a punk rocker using a looper live so I'm really excited that you will be breaking new ground in the looping world. Do you guys feel like coming to Northern California next October to play a bliztkrieg 30 minute show that uses your looping in it. If so, I"ll book you into the Y2K6 International Live Looping Festival. It would be a gas and a privilege to have you represent there. There's on money in it and it's done under the most primitive of circumstances (20 minutes to load on stage, 10 minutes to load off stage) but it's an amazingly wonderful festival and very inspiring to most of the musicians who come to play it or watch it.. Yours, Rick Walker Y2K6 International Live Looping Festival organizer www.looppool.info TEACHING A DRUMMER TO PLAY ACCURATELY TO A CLICK TRACK Set a click track to a reasonably moderate tempo (say 90 BPM), so that the click is playing audible16th notes (not quarter notes). DON'T DO THIS IN FRONT OF THE REST OF THE BAND. Call a one hour break for the rest of the musicians. Self conciousness or being put in the spotlight is antithetical to learning quickly, in my opinion. Next get the drummer to count out loud along with the click track and audio hallucinate that it is ever so slowly slowing down. If they've never done this, just have them repeatedly count "One eee and uh" with one syllable falling on every click. Have them try this for a while without playing to the track until they can do it succesfully. You can point out that you can actually hallucinate this phenomenon audibly and that you will at some point reach a place where you just can't hear it slowing down anymore........................... Now have them trying to play to the click track and repeat the very slow 'slowing down' process until they reach the limit of how slow they can hear (and consequently play) the metronome is going. Now you ask them to purposefully try to drag the tempo down, letting them know that this may get jerky and they may veer off of the metronome. The challenge is to play as slowly as you can WITHOUT letting the metronome get away from you. Of course, the net result is that the drummer will play behind the beat. If the drummer is having problems with this.........you ask them to imagine that they are very, very tired, or very, very heavy or very depressed, or lackadaisically bored, or very very hot.................a lot of these emotional states are associated with going slow. You can explain to them that when they are driving 60 miles per hour (sorry about the kilometer conversion here) they can feel really exhausted or very hot and still be driving at the same speed. The perception of the time it takes to drive somewhere changes however from a time when you are excited or adrenalated or caffeinated, etc. It is important that this exercise start at the normal tempo of the metronome and then slowly drift to the very edge of the slowest that you can percieve it's speed. Once the drummer can do this successfully, the next frontier is to try and get the drummer to let his or her tempo drift too slow (so that the metronome gets ahead). At this juncture, there is a strong tenencey to try to jump back to the proper tempo which will cause a glitchy mistake in the percieved playing by a listener (who can't hear the click in the final recording). You now get the drummer to play as slow as possible; purposefully play too slow (letting the metronome get ahead) and then take as long as possible to drift back to the correct tempo. ************************ Once this is done, you do the whole thing over again, hallucinating that the metronome is speeding up. Each side of this exercise will take about 10 to 20 minutes. After a period of time you can ask the drummer to quickly try and slow or speed up to the furthest limit of still playing with the click. One they can do that, now have have them Go to the slowest they can play accurately to the click and at this point ask them to 'feel' how it feels to be playing there in there body. Have them now slowly accelerate until they are playing as fast as they can without getting away (ahead) of the metronome. Now ask them to 'feel' how they feel while playing like this. Amazingly, a person can have really different emotional associations with these places of playing relative to the click. If they didn't know any better, they would swear to you that they are playing at different speeds. One tempo can feel incredibly different depending on where you place yourself relative to the click track. Cultivating how this feels to you is a very powerful way of starting to understand the very basis of tempo and rhythm. *************** Now you are ready to have the drummer to the final exercies: Have them play to the click.......................then go to the slowest that they can play and still be accurate. Next give them one minute exactly to slowly speed up until they have reached the fastest that they can play and still stay accurate. Encourage them to make this speed up as slow as possible. Now give them one minute to slow down from the fastest speed. Repeat both exercises in 30 seconds Repeat both exercises in 15 seconds Repeat both exersices telling the drummer to go from slow to fast and back again as quickly as possible without causing any 'lumpiness'. NOW FOR THE FUN: Record them doing this exercise and then play it back for them without the click: Voila..............you cannot even hear the difference in the track, despite how radical it feels emotionally or perceptually. the whole point is to get them to make all corrections gradually..................In this way, they will feel when the click gets 'away' from them but the listener won't if they are relaxed about returning to accurate. NOW THE BEST PART. Turn on the click and tell the drummer: "Don't think about anything.............just play to the click" In 45 minutes to an hour, the drummer will be able to relaxedly and perfectly play in time to the metronome. NEXT FUN EXERCISE: learning to play to a loop that is not perfect....................a 'lumpy' loop if you will. Make a rhythm guitar loop that is a little bit innacurate and have the drummer play to it until it sounds like the drummer is playing with the loop. Make several of them.....................make some horrible ones with real 'skipping lumps' in the truncation of the loop. A well placed crash cymbal on the downbeat of a lumpy or innacurate loop can frequently hide the lump. The same games listed above can also do wonders to the feel and utilizing them can help the drummer to train him/herself to make compensations in case they get off the loops timing by a bit. Have the drummer play as slow as he or she can to the loop without sounding 'wrong'. Now have them play as fast as possible without sounding 'wrong'. The drummer can do this by, again, audio hallucinating that the respective loop is either speeding up or slowing down. Again, do this exercise over an over with varying degrees of 'lumpiness'. Now, just make the best loop you can and rock on!!! good luck, Rick Walker (www.looppool.info) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 08:50:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEA233BED8; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:50:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <014201c5e50a$b2e31f70$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: GIBSON EDPs end of the road? Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 00:50:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:50:54 +0000 (UTC) I don't know if this is apocalyptic but the Gibson EDP has been listed in the Clearance section of the latest Musicians Friend online catalogue reduced from the list price of $1,300 to $806.65 (down from their normal discounted price of $950). http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=clearance/search/detail/base_pid/158503X/ Kim? Matthias? anybody know whether this signals the end of production for the unit? I surely hope not. I"ve fallen in love with this amazing instrument and the musicians who use it so creatively. yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 08:59:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E0B03BEE0; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:59:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <014901c5e50b$db778010$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: MOD FX blowouts Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 00:59:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="text/plain"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0146_01C5E4C8.CD3EBC40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:59:12 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0146_01C5E4C8.CD3EBC40 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just discovered that they have reduced the last batch of Alesis mod FX to the absurd price of $25 at Musicians Friend. I don't want to sound like an advertisement for this company, but these are incredibly cool effects for loopers in particular because they all have the ability to sync off of each other rhythmically. I own the Ampliton and it is the coolest tremelo unit that not only has two sides to it..........you can run a 64th note square wave tremelo through an 8th note square wave tremelo to get really interesting rhythmic effects. I don't own the other two (although I have the Filter, the much discussed Bitr-man and the vocoder) but there ability to sync with one another makes me want to order immediately. The price is stupidly low and means that they will be completely gone forever in a few days. If you have a little cash to spare, check them out. You'll be happy you did and able to sell them on Ebay in two months for more than you paid for them if you don't. Rick Alesis Ampliton Tremolo and Autopan Unit Low-frequency oscillator of both the tremolo and the autopan can be independently set. 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Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 00:59:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcXlCoVfNwzeXBwZT2+3p2dAwu8tVwAAUSqw In-Reply-To: <014201c5e50a$b2e31f70$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Message-Id: <20051109085852.UTIH776.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 08:59:48 +0000 (UTC) It's a blem-- Hi Rick . .. Gary -----Original Message----- From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 12:51 AM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: GIBSON EDPs end of the road? I don't know if this is apocalyptic but the Gibson EDP has been listed in the Clearance section of the latest Musicians Friend online catalogue reduced from the list price of $1,300 to $806.65 (down from their normal discounted price of $950). http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=clearance/search/detail/base_pid/15850 3X/ Kim? Matthias? anybody know whether this signals the end of production for the unit? I surely hope not. I"ve fallen in love with this amazing instrument and the musicians who use it so creatively. yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 09:58:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75F623BED5; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:58:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051109093809.033daca0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 09:56:37 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V05 #727 In-Reply-To: <20051109081413.F2FC73BED6@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051109081413.F2FC73BED6@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:58:39 +0000 (UTC) Kris wrote: > > the fun thing is, seems it will time stretch an unsynced loop to fit. > > > > andy butler > >That's interesting...time stretch without pitch transposition, I assume? Yes, that's a definite. >Is it just too hard to develop a multiply-like function in one of these >units? It would be very easy for loops 2 & 3 to be a multiple of loop 1. ( can't be 100% sure they didn't implement that) To do EDP type multiply would be harder, because the memory in the RC-50 is structured to do 99 loops. Imagine they fill up memory with loop after loop, one after the other. Then it's a little harder to Multiply loop 2 when it's squashed between loop1 and loop3. ...but really, I think the manufacturers just don't care to do it. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 10:05:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A28C3BED3; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:05:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051109100005.03373010@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 10:03:06 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Rc-50 again In-Reply-To: <20051109081413.F2FC73BED6@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051109081413.F2FC73BED6@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:05:54 +0000 (UTC) >Gary says > >It sorta looks like FB is achievable with an expression pedal, > >how'd ya figure that? >I read the info as saying "no feedback control, but can do a fade out >on switch off of the loop" > >...but I want you to be right :-) > >--->Translation says: >As for the RC-50, while re-raising the phrase, tap * tempo and outside of >the pedal with the expression * pedal which you connect, it is possible to >change refresh rate into real time. > >But my head hurts when I try to follow the translation 8>) That means the time stretching when the loop length is changed. (by tap of exp pedal) ............well, I'm in the dark too, but that seems right. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 11:57:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9247F3BEDD; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:57:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.0.20051109065225.01be0f58@pop.nycap.rr.com> X-Sender: pkoniuto@pop.nycap.rr.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 06:57:22 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: p koniuto Subject: --shameless plug: free music-- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:57:29 +0000 (UTC) Looper-folk: You can download for free my new release, Past Andromeda, from here: http://www.stasisfield.com/releases/year04/sf-4007.html Enjoy! Lots and lots of loopage via EDP, Jamman, Vortex, etc. Here's a review from disquiet.com: [ November 7, 2005 ] SPACE MUSIC MP3: On Halloween, the Stasisfield netlabel (stasisfield.com) released a single, hour-long piece by musician Peter Koniuto titled Past Andromeda (MP3). As the name suggests, it's an exercise in space music: slow blooms of galactic sound that stretch from ear to ear like a blissful smile; sonar blurps that bring to mind how Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry imagined submarines, rather than airplanes, as the Starship Enterprise's most significant predecessor; and occasional flurries of digitally messed-up speech, suggesting the space-enabled psychosis of Stanislaw Lem's novel Solaris. There's also a patiently plucked melody that sounds like the opening from the theme to Deliverance played at quarter speed, and each time it cycles through it grounds the track's otherwise heady stew of aural effluvia. The version of Past Andromeda on Stasisfield is a stereo reduction of an eight-speaker installation project by Koniuto, who first staged it at the University of the Pacific's Conservatory of Music in Stockton, California, back in September 2002 as part of the school's annual Music Beyond Performance series. The music's source materials include electric bass guitar, field recordings, children's toys, glass vases, harmonica, among other household objects. More on Koniuto at the website of his upstate New York studio, redsunsoundroom.com. http://www.disquiet.com/downstream-past4.html#d20051107-stasis ______________________________ Peter Koniuto Creative Recordist - Composer Red Sun Soundroom Brunswick, NY On our hi-fi this week... http://www.RedSunSoundroom.com peter AT RedSunSoundroom.com ______________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 12:30:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BD8B3BEDE; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:30:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009b01c5e529$6a14b910$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <6.0.1.1.0.20051109065225.01be0f58@pop.nycap.rr.com> Subject: Re: --shameless plug: free music-- Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:30:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:30:52 +0000 (UTC) I'm listen to it, Peter. It's "truly" Ambient music, floating, sparse and dense, with beautifull minimal melodies appearing sometimes. Good work ! Fabio Anile http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ http://music.download.com/eterogeneo ----- Original Message ----- From: "p koniuto" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 12:57 PM Subject: --shameless plug: free music-- > > Looper-folk: > > You can download for free my new release, Past Andromeda, > from here: > > http://www.stasisfield.com/releases/year04/sf-4007.html > > Enjoy! Lots and lots of loopage via EDP, Jamman, Vortex, > etc. > > Here's a review from disquiet.com: > > [ November 7, 2005 ] > SPACE MUSIC MP3: On Halloween, the Stasisfield netlabel (stasisfield.com) > released a single, hour-long piece by musician Peter Koniuto titled Past > Andromeda (MP3). As the name suggests, it's an exercise in space music: > slow blooms of galactic sound that stretch from ear to ear like a blissful > smile; sonar blurps that bring to mind how Star Trek creator Gene > Roddenberry imagined submarines, rather than airplanes, as the Starship > Enterprise's most significant predecessor; and occasional flurries of > digitally messed-up speech, suggesting the space-enabled psychosis of > Stanislaw Lem's novel Solaris. There's also a patiently plucked melody that > sounds like the opening from the theme to Deliverance played at quarter > speed, and each time it cycles through it grounds the track's otherwise > heady stew of aural effluvia. The version of Past Andromeda on Stasisfield > is a stereo reduction of an eight-speaker installation project by Koniuto, > who first staged it at the University of the Pacific's Conservatory of > Music in Stockton, California, back in September 2002 as part of the > school's annual Music Beyond Performance series. The music's source > materials include electric bass guitar, field recordings, children's toys, > glass vases, harmonica, among other household objects. More on Koniuto at > the website of his upstate New York studio, redsunsoundroom.com. > > > http://www.disquiet.com/downstream-past4.html#d20051107-stasis > > > ______________________________ > Peter Koniuto > Creative Recordist - Composer > Red Sun Soundroom > Brunswick, NY > > On our hi-fi this week... > http://www.RedSunSoundroom.com > peter AT RedSunSoundroom.com > ______________________________ > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 14:56:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A62313BEDA; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:56:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 09:56:22 -0500 From: Dan Ash Subject: re: Synchronizing Real Time Drumming with a Prerecorded Loop was Re: query 'real time live looping' To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43720E16.3040207@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: <43FqrD.A.osF.j4gcDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:56:35 +0000 (UTC) >> both sides of the problem..........being the looper or responding to a loop that I can't control myself, live. What about synching my looper to a tap-tempo controller that the drummer manages? I have been trying to configure a looping environment for myself and an electronic percussionist who uses a VST sampler/loop playback virtual instrument hosted by his recording software. I have been taking a sync signal out from the computer with some success, and my Repeater loops stay in sync with his drum loops. However I'm looking for a solution that will allow us to take it outside the studio. Syncing to the computer doesn't allow for tempo changes on the fly, so I figured the logical extension would be to remove the computer and substitute some sort of tap-tempo device. It seems like I should be able to let the drummer control the looper tempo (assuming they can play to the tempo they establish themselves). Anyone tried this in practice? What would be a good tap-tempo device so the drummer could provide the MIDI sync output? A secondary consideration - I'd like to avoid using headphones... Thanks, Dan Ash White Plains, NY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 16:17:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33A483BEE4; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:17:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Reaktor Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 16:17:29 +0000 Message-Id: <110920051617.19428.43722116000EE1C300004BE421979267619B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 21 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:17:33 +0000 (UTC) Hi all. I posted a screen shot of my Reaktor looper at the bottom of the page: I think I'll remove the stuff that would not be useful to most people (like the guita processing), abd the stuff that I don't feel comfortable posting (copyrighted jazz loop samples) and post that. The rest would make a good general-purpose looper for anyone. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 17:13:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C48033BEDE; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:13:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <009b01c5e529$6a14b910$040a0a0a@fabio> References: <6.0.1.1.0.20051109065225.01be0f58@pop.nycap.rr.com> <009b01c5e529$6a14b910$040a0a0a@fabio> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: --shameless plug: free music-- Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:13:02 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:13:06 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 9, 2005, at 12:57, p koniuto wrote: >> http://www.stasisfield.com/releases/year04/sf-4007.html On Nov 9, 2005, at 13:30, Fabio Anile wrote: > Good work ! I like it too :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 17:17:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8048A3BEE2; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:17:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:14:48 -0800 (PST) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: analogue@hyperreal.org Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: Roland CR-8000 analog drum machine $75 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:17:52 +0000 (UTC) The pinnacle of the Cha-Cha vintage analog drum machines IMNSHO The Roland CR8000 has the 808 cowbell and congas,user programming, as well as thre sections of preset patterns and fill-ins. GREAt Highhats and 606ish cymbals too :) The CR8000 has din sync as well as a 1/4" trigger out (assignable to 8,16, or programable triggers)so it makes a very nice old school clock (with RED LED counter and large tempo knob). The unit I am selling is not working 100%. Many buttons don't light up and I'm not sure if that's a cleaning problem or something more. Cosmetically it's not bad (someone putstcikers numbers (ie: 1,2,3) on some of the patterns once and the faceplate needs to be glued down but it's all there and plays and I was able to program some beats in. All original knobs, buttons, etc as well. See pics for details. Http://www/helpwantedproductions.com/ebay/cr8000.jpg Http://www/helpwantedproductions.com/ebay/cr8000back.jpg I bought this "as is" being promised a lot more and kept it as a spare. I'm being more honest in my sale now that the guy I bought it from and don't want to part it out so I'm selling it cheap. Would be excellent for some DIYer or one of you geeks who does mods on these things. not bad as it is now either but I have a 606 and CR8000 combo already so I don't need this. Asking $75 which is what I have into it. Serious offer or trades for weird things possible. Sold as is but will gladly answer any questions. I can do paypal. thanks! D_ ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 17:21:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFB523BEEE; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:21:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:18:51 -0800 (PST) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: analogue@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: FS: Roland CR-8000 analog drum machine $75 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:21:54 +0000 (UTC) Sorry, screwed upt he pictures URL correct pic at: http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/ebay/cr8000.jpg http://www.helpwantedproductions.com/ebay/cr8000back.jpg thanks! ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 17:32:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31A173BEF0; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:32:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 12:32:52 -0500 Subject: Re: Reaktor From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Reaktor Thread-Index: AcXlU5x22uaVRFFGEdqkjAAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: <110920051617.19428.43722116000EE1C300004BE421979267619B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9IiixB.A.vkD.JLjcDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:32:58 +0000 (UTC) Here here mark... Looks great. I for one would have fun giving it a test run... T. On 11/9/05 11:17 AM, "mwsmart@insightbb.com" wrote: > > > > Hi all. > I posted a screen shot of my Reaktor looper at the bottom of the page: > > > > I think I'll remove the stuff that would not be useful to most people > (like the guita processing), abd the stuff that I don't feel comfortable > posting (copyrighted jazz loop samples) and post that. The rest would make > a good general-purpose looper for anyone. > > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net > - From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 17:35:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFF453BEF5; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:35:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QBqSPW2LelNEodsJ7uLQPVvz+CesWBur6KjoSehI8CFTXkXcA5dunrEBleCpfUxExwwCmscLW0Ytoz9nOyRz68KdVgCvdiFyso75ZcFicMjknxpmJg66SzmxRN+fLxwmZMKbgQrI9EIB32MmAAqJWINLNibPpXG9MrPMN8VCWTU= ; Message-ID: <20051109171559.39224.qmail@web86808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:15:59 +0100 (CET) From: obadia Subject: 2 usb midi-keyboard to use together To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:35:52 +0000 (UTC) hello list, long time no write. i have a simple request: i'm trying to connect 2 different USB keyboards to my iBook (to use together with Live+SooperLooper). Live can see both midi devices but only one keyboard works when the 2 are connected via USB. any suggestion? thank you for any help. ps: the midi controllers are an Oxygen8 by M-Audio and a tiny eKeys by Evolution. Stéphane ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 17:37:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B5403BEF8; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:37:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Mmrksrg@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:37:53 EST Subject: Re: Reaktor To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ce.74a94a62.30a38df1_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 28 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <5k5A6B.A.MzD.2PjcDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:37:58 +0000 (UTC) --part1_ce.74a94a62.30a38df1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/11/05 4:17:58 pm, mwsmart@insightbb.com writes: > www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.htm > Hi, Mark forgive my ignorance about Reaktor but does you ensemble run as a self executing program for those that do not have Reaktor? Would be nice to have the option of guitar processing on other sound sources. Mark Sargeant --part1_ce.74a94a62.30a38df1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    In a message dated 9/11/05 4:17:58 pm, mwsmart@insightbb.com writes:


    www.marksmart.net/gea= rhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.htm

    Hi,
    Mark forgive my ignorance about Reaktor but does you ensemble run as a self=20= executing program for those that do not have Reaktor?
    Would be nice to have the option of guitar processing on other sound sources= . 

    Mark Sargeant     --part1_ce.74a94a62.30a38df1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 17:39:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DE563BEFC; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:39:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZRmu9Iw30SgGWj11//YV6Kh6MEVMHHXcv3nIbwGuJQ1vPqWXdL3vyhDO6Dd7WxBGyKJYiAq/ek/Co0S+vw2nUzuttHE6FHdgETwSuGSicfR6gKb0oV+uVPtLQFUVM3ip6hDQAyJZWDy09Iz1VYrieo5gRiwHAdbToCtqXpb3ZKQ= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:39:09 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 2 usb midi-keyboard to use together In-Reply-To: <20051109171559.39224.qmail@web86808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051109171559.39224.qmail@web86808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:39:10 +0000 (UTC) I forget how many USB ports the iBooks have--are you powering the keyboards via the USB or do you have an external hub? If the combined power draw of the two devices is too high, you may need to use an external powered hub. TravisH On 11/9/05, obadia wrote: > hello list, > long time no write. > i have a simple request: i'm trying to connect 2 > different USB keyboards to my iBook (to use together > with Live+SooperLooper). Live can see both midi > devices but only one keyboard works when the 2 are > connected via USB. > any suggestion? > thank you for any help. > > ps: the midi controllers are an Oxygen8 by M-Audio and > a tiny eKeys by Evolution. > > St=E9phane > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________= __ > Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenge= r > T=E9l=E9chargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 17:48:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 841123BEF9; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:48:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20051109171559.39224.qmail@web86808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20051109171559.39224.qmail@web86808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: 2 usb midi-keyboard to use together Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:48:05 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 17:48:16 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 9, 2005, at 18:15, obadia wrote: > Live can see both midi > devices but only one keyboard works when the 2 are > connected via USB. > any suggestion? It may depend on which version of Live you are running? If my memory serves me well on this you could only connect two MIDI inputs to Live 4. Now, on Live 5, I don't know about any upper limit to how many MIDI inputs can be active. If you have Live 5, you should check the MIDI tab of the preferences to see that both inputs are enabled. It's easy to miss out on details, my microKONTROL for example does show up with three inputs and I'm not sure all of them are working for what you play on the thing. One is for eventual MIDI sent INTO the microKONTROL and thus passed through from its USB MIDI output. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 18:03:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0FC43BEF3; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:03:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fhw0Vr10esUI67tLbLT2eaxX+MHUSfNa5khO0JAq6F/KeuI38u2CLnLOdfncFcd3iM88Aq+qHr4BQ6FiOfETnE7F3ubTvFzTucHut26pmAbJt3Gpw4kFdb/g9z8Kr/ERrA0YTMdlziA/fcvcXaX66T3tCWQgYaYEL5hToX3S7lM= ; Message-ID: <20051109180133.2677.qmail@web86809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 19:01:33 +0100 (CET) From: obadia Subject: Re: 2 usb midi-keyboard to use together To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5u0EyC.A.m0E.hnjcDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:03:13 +0000 (UTC) yes! thank you! it was indeed this tiny green square that's easy to miss out in the MIDI tab, in order to activate the second device. now it works!!! :) thank you! stéphane --- Per Boysen a écrit : > On Nov 9, 2005, at 18:15, obadia wrote: > > > Live can see both midi > > devices but only one keyboard works when the 2 are > > connected via USB. > > any suggestion? > > > It may depend on which version of Live you are > running? If my memory > serves me well on this you could only connect two > MIDI inputs to Live > 4. Now, on Live 5, I don't know about any upper > limit to how many > MIDI inputs can be active. If you have Live 5, you > should check the > MIDI tab of the preferences to see that both inputs > are enabled. It's > easy to miss out on details, my microKONTROL for > example does show up > with three inputs and I'm not sure all of them are > working for what > you play on the thing. One is for eventual MIDI sent > INTO the > microKONTROL and thus passed through from its USB > MIDI output. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > ___________ Stéphane Obadia obadia@clumsybeats.org http://www.clumsybeats.org http://www.12rec.net/release_robsteady_019.htm ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 18:23:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37E983BEFB; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:23:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000b01c5e55b$24942380$e965dd0c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: Subject: Re: Reaktor Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:26:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:23:50 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 11:37 AM Subject: Re: Reaktor > Hi, > Mark forgive my ignorance about Reaktor but does you ensemble run as a self > executing program for those that do not have Reaktor? > Would be nice to have the option of guitar processing on other sound sources. > > > Mark Sargeant Nope, unfortunately you have to have Reaktor. I posted a basic looper here at the bottom of the page: http://www.marksmart.net/sounddesign/bysynth/reaktor/reaktor.html Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 18:27:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44E6F3BEF6; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:27:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001501c5e55b$98baf0e0$e965dd0c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <000b01c5e55b$24942380$e965dd0c@insightbb.com> Subject: Re: Reaktor Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:30:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:27:04 +0000 (UTC) BTW I heard that someone posted a complete Echoplex emulation in the Reaktor user library. Haven't tried it. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Smart" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 12:26 PM Subject: Re: Reaktor > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 11:37 AM > Subject: Re: Reaktor > > > > Hi, > > Mark forgive my ignorance about Reaktor but does you ensemble run as a self > > executing program for those that do not have Reaktor? > > Would be nice to have the option of guitar processing on other sound sources. > > > > > > Mark Sargeant > > Nope, unfortunately you have to have Reaktor. > > I posted a basic looper here at the bottom of the page: > > http://www.marksmart.net/sounddesign/bysynth/reaktor/reaktor.html > > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 18:32:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E95943BEF1; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:32:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <437240BC.9030409@pdq.net> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 12:32:28 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Synchronizing Real Time Drumming with a Prerecorded Loop was Re: query 'real time live looping' References: <43720E16.3040207@Verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <43720E16.3040207@Verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:32:29 +0000 (UTC) I haven't tried one of these, but it might be what you're looking for: http://www.ploytec.com/34one/ Seems like your drummer could either stomp or hit it occasionally to establish tempo (and update the tempo). Good luck with your work. Dig Dan Ash wrote: > > >> both sides of the problem..........being the looper or responding > to a loop that I can't control myself, live. > > What about synching my looper to a tap-tempo controller that the > drummer manages? > > I have been trying to configure a looping environment for myself and > an electronic percussionist who uses a VST sampler/loop playback > virtual instrument hosted by his recording software. I have been > taking a sync signal out from the computer with some success, and my > Repeater loops stay in sync with his drum loops. However I'm looking > for a solution that will allow us to take it outside the studio. > > Syncing to the computer doesn't allow for tempo changes on the fly, so > I figured the logical extension would be to remove the computer and > substitute some sort of tap-tempo device. It seems like I should be > able to let the drummer control the looper tempo (assuming they can > play to the tempo they establish themselves). Anyone tried this in > practice? What would be a good tap-tempo device so the drummer could > provide the MIDI sync output? > > A secondary consideration - I'd like to avoid using headphones... > > Thanks, > Dan Ash > White Plains, NY > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 18:34:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDEA53BF0A; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:34:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <4372412A.000009.05760@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 10:34:18 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_69APMY50000000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <009b01c5e529$6a14b910$040a0a0a@fabio> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: --shameless plug: free music-- X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:34:11 +0000 (UTC) --------------Boundary-00=_69APMY50000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I too pulled it down. Very cool...Thank you for the addition to my mp3 collection.=0D =0D Sony =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Date: 11/09/05 04:30:57=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: Re: --shameless plug: free music--=0D =0D I'm listen to it, Peter.=0D It's "truly" Ambient music, floating, sparse and dense, with beautifull=0D minimal melodies appearing sometimes.=0D Good work !=0D =0D Fabio Anile=0D =0D http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/=0D http://music.download.com/eterogeneo=0D =0D =0D =0D ----- Original Message -----=0D From: "p koniuto" =0D To: =0D Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 12:57 PM=0D Subject: --shameless plug: free music--=0D =0D =0D >=0D > Looper-folk:=0D >=0D > You can download for free my new release, Past Andromeda,=0D > from here:=0D >=0D > http://www.stasisfield.com/releases/year04/sf-4007.html=0D >=0D > Enjoy! Lots and lots of loopage via EDP, Jamman, Vortex,=0D > etc.=0D >=0D > Here's a review from disquiet.com:=0D >=0D > [ November 7, 2005 ]=0D > SPACE MUSIC MP3: On Halloween, the Stasisfield netlabel (stasisfield.co= m)=0D > released a single, hour-long piece by musician Peter Koniuto titled Pas= t=0D > Andromeda (MP3). As the name suggests, it's an exercise in space music:= =0D > slow blooms of galactic sound that stretch from ear to ear like a bliss= ful=0D > smile; sonar blurps that bring to mind how Star Trek creator Gene=0D > Roddenberry imagined submarines, rather than airplanes, as the Starship= =0D > Enterprise's most significant predecessor; and occasional flurries of=0D > digitally messed-up speech, suggesting the space-enabled psychosis of=0D > Stanislaw Lem's novel Solaris. There's also a patiently plucked melody=0D that=0D > sounds like the opening from the theme to Deliverance played at quarter= =0D > speed, and each time it cycles through it grounds the track's otherwise= =0D > heady stew of aural effluvia. The version of Past Andromeda on Stasisfi= eld=0D > is a stereo reduction of an eight-speaker installation project by Koniu= to,=0D > who first staged it at the University of the Pacific's Conservatory of=0D > Music in Stockton, California, back in September 2002 as part of the=0D > school's annual Music Beyond Performance series. The music's source=0D > materials include electric bass guitar, field recordings, children's to= ys,=0D > glass vases, harmonica, among other household objects. More on Koniuto = at=0D > the website of his upstate New York studio, redsunsoundroom.com.=0D >=0D >=0D > http://www.disquiet.com/downstream-past4.html#d20051107-stasis=0D >=0D >=0D > ______________________________=0D > Peter Koniuto=0D > Creative Recordist - Composer=0D > Red Sun Soundroom=0D > Brunswick, NY=0D >=0D > On our hi-fi this week...=0D > http://www.RedSunSoundroom.com=0D > peter AT RedSunSoundroom.com=0D > ______________________________=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D =0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_69APMY50000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    I too pulled it down. Very cool...Thank you for the addition to= my mp3 collection.
     
    Sony 
     
    -------Original Message-------
     
    Date: 11/09/05 04:= 30:57
    Subject: Re: --sha= meless plug: free music--
     
    I'm listen to it, Peter.
    It's "truly" Ambient music, floating, sparse and dense, with beautif= ull
    minimal melodies appearing sometimes.
    Good work !
     
    Fabio Anile
     
     
     
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "p koniuto" <p= eter@RedSunSoundroom.com>
    Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 12:57 PM
    Subject: --shameless plug: free music--
     
     
    >
    > Looper-folk:
    >
    > You can download for free my new release, Past Andromeda,
    > from here:
    >
    >
    > Enjoy!  Lots and lots of loopage via EDP, Jamman, Vor= tex,
    > etc.
    >
    > Here's a review from disquiet.com:
    >
    > [ November 7, 2005 ]
    > SPACE MUSIC MP3: On Halloween, the Stasisfield netlabel (stasis= field.com)
    > released a single, hour-long piece by musician Peter Koniuto ti= tled Past
    > Andromeda (MP3). As the name suggests, it's an exercise in spac= e music:
    > slow blooms of galactic sound that stretch from ear to ear like= a blissful
    > smile; sonar blurps that bring to mind how Star Trek creator Ge= ne
    > Roddenberry imagined submarines, rather than airplanes, as the = Starship
    > Enterprise's most significant predecessor; and occasional flurr= ies of
    > digitally messed-up speech, suggesting the space-enabled psycho= sis of
    > Stanislaw Lem's novel Solaris. There's also a patiently plucked= melody
    that
    > sounds like the opening from the theme to Deliverance played at= quarter
    > speed, and each time it cycles through it grounds the track's o= therwise
    > heady stew of aural effluvia. The version of Past Andromeda on = Stasisfield
    > is a stereo reduction of an eight-speaker installation project = by Koniuto,
    > who first staged it at the University of the Pacific's Conserva= tory of
    > Music in Stockton, California, back in September 2002 as part o= f the
    > school's annual Music Beyond Performance series. The music's so= urce
    > materials include electric bass guitar, field recordings, child= ren's toys,
    > glass vases, harmonica, among other household objects. More on = Koniuto at
    > the website of his upstate New York studio, redsunsoundroom.com= =2E
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > ______________________________
    > Peter Koniuto
    > Creative Recordist - Composer
    > Red Sun Soundroom
    > Brunswick, NY
    >
    > On our hi-fi this week...
    > peter AT RedSunSoundroom.com
    > ______________________________
    >
    >
    >
     
     
    --------------Boundary-00=_69APMY50000000000000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 19:01:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 830503BF00; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 19:01:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mlpdKylNhjOCgq/oYZuVI37TYzgUbsteuWCTW4DpogXMkD3wMWaWciIVFMmj1rkXqAe0gRE61q+40F8x8/EOEAblVD8lPAiuQOW+b9fYooQ1IDYtqs5oXAtAqGJBSsRjGwSy+Vf2uqSIu/BrutaUEqxf+GaVzj7iNQgXkrlBMUY= ; Message-ID: <20051109190132.99749.qmail@web34208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:01:31 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re:CFC's for Repeater To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051109081413.D8B073BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 19:01:34 +0000 (UTC) David, Check out the archives at the RepeaterUsers Yahoo group for all the findings on CFC compatibility. Secondly, you do not have your email client configured properly to send/recieve mail from this list. I would suggest contacting your ISP. Better yet, just get a Yahoo email account and subscribe to this list through it. Stephen > > Hi all. Been lurking around the site for years & finally joined up. > Everything's going into my junkmail folder, and the only time I answered to > a post, it went straight to the sender. I didn't see my own message till > they responded. I guess I'll have to cut&paste from my junkmail to my inbox > in order to participate. Bit of a pain, but no more difficult than making > accurate loops with my old PDS8000. > > Anyway, I've never been able to find a CFC that worked w/my Repeater, other > than the SimpleTech 32MB that it shipped with. I've tried the recommended > brands w/no success, and they're not easy to return, considering that > there's nothing really wrong w/them, other than their incompatability w/the > Repeater. I understand that the 'Hitachi control chip set' is crucial, but > am met w/blank stares at computer & camera stores. The cards never indicate > that info either. > > Of all the vagaries & peculiarities of the Repeater, this one's the most > vexing to me. Are cards w/this chip still being made? Where can I get one in > Canada? > > Thanks, > David Rolling > > Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:45:07 -0600 > From: Suit & Tie Guy > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: RC-50: simultaneous loops-different lengths? > > On Nov 8, 2005, at 12:55 PM, Doug Cox wrote: > > Or an ambient guitar player playing a 3.237485 measure melodic part > > over a 12.34902 bar bed of drones? :) > > > > I can't wait to find out the answers to these questions! > > i can see this thing bringing a whole new dimension to Mark Smart's > guitar act. i can't believe he gets it together as well as he does with > the RC-20s. > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 21:18:38 +0000 > From: a k butler > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re:RC-50 ..the big questions > > Gary says > >It sorta looks like FB is achievable with an expression pedal, > > how'd ya figure that? > I read the info as saying "no feedback control, but can do a fade out > on switch off of the loop" > > ...but I want you to be right :-) > > Kris says > >It wasn't clear to me in the prior emails...does this unit provide > >something equivalent to Multiply so that once you record a loop, you > >aren't limited to that length for additional loops? I wasn't sure if > >the phrase 1, 2, 3 buttons added this feature. > > Current info seems to be that you have a choice of either unsynced, > or exactly the same length. > > the fun thing is, seems it will time stretch an unsynced loop to fit. > > andy butler > > Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 16:21:35 -0500 > From: Tom Ritchford > To: mungenast@earthlink.net > CC: Loopers-Delight > Subject: Re: fretless fest > > Did they manage to raise enough money to buy themselves the missing frets?? > > On 11/7/05, Timothy Mungenast wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey Gang: > > The 12/05 Guitar Player magazine has a sidebar on the NYC Fretless Guitar > > Festival, which I'm sure some of you attended. > > ( www.unfretted.com ) > > > > Sonic Joy, > > Tim Mungenast > > > > > > > > Timothy Mungenast > > mungenast@earthlink.net > > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 17:07:52 -0500 > From: "Timothy Mungenast" > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: fretless fest > > Nice one, man! Thanks for the much-needed laugh! > ~Tim > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Tom Ritchford > > To: > > Cc: Loopers-Delight > > Date: 11/8/2005 4:21:37 PM > > Subject: Re: fretless fest > > > > Did they manage to raise enough money to buy themselves the missing > frets?? > > > > On 11/7/05, Timothy Mungenast wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Gang: > > > The 12/05 Guitar Player magazine has a sidebar on the NYC Fretless > Guitar > > > Festival, which I'm sure some of you attended. > > > ( www.unfretted.com ) > > > > > > Sonic Joy, > > > Tim Mungenast > > > > > > > > > > > > Timothy Mungenast > > > mungenast@earthlink.net > > > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > /t > > > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:07:31 -0800 > From: Travis Hartnett > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: fretless fest > > I think they're still saving up for a tuner to share between them... > > On 11/8/05, Tom Ritchford wrote: > > Did they manage to raise enough money to buy themselves the missing frets?? > > > > Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:33:00 -0700 > From: "Kris Hartung" > To: > Subject: Re: Re:RC-50 ..the big questions > > > Kris says > > >It wasn't clear to me in the prior emails...does this unit provide > > >something equivalent to Multiply so that once you record a loop, you > > >aren't limited to that length for additional loops? I wasn't sure if > > >the phrase 1, 2, 3 buttons added this feature. > > > > Current info seems to be that you have a choice of either unsynced, > > or exactly the same length. > > > > the fun thing is, seems it will time stretch an unsynced loop to fit. > > > > andy butler > > That's interesting...time stretch without pitch transposition, I assume? > Is it just too hard to develop a multiply-like function in one of these > units? > > Kris > > Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 00:07:35 +0100 (CET) > From: Romain > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Re:RC-50 ..the big questions > > Do we have any info about its price and availability ? > > --- Kris Hartung a écrit : > > > > Kris says > > > >It wasn't clear to me in the prior emails...does > > this unit provide > > > >something equivalent to Multiply so that once you > > record a loop, you > > > >aren't limited to that length for additional > > loops? I wasn't sure if > > > >the phrase 1, 2, 3 buttons added this feature. > > > > > > Current info seems to be that you have a choice of > > either unsynced, > > > or exactly the same length. > > > > > > the fun thing is, seems it will time stretch an > > unsynced loop to fit. > > > > > > andy butler > > > > That's interesting...time stretch without pitch > > transposition, I assume? > > Is it just too hard to develop a multiply-like > > function in one of these > > units? > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger > Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com > > Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:47:24 -0800 (PST) > From: ditch wrestler > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Re:RC-50 ..the big questions > > I had my LMS guy call Roland Canada and the rep he spoke to said this was the first he had > heard/seen of the unit. > > The rep said, though, that this isn't uncommon for Roland and that based on past experience, > it'll probably be at the Winter NAMM show. > > > ted. > > Romain wrote: > Do we have any info about its price and availability ? > > --- Kris Hartung a écrit : > > > > Kris says > > > >It wasn't clear to me in the prior emails...does > > this unit provide > > > >something equivalent to Multiply so that once you > > record a loop, you > > > >aren't limited to that length for additional > > loops? I wasn't sure if > > > >the phrase 1, 2, 3 buttons added this feature. > > > > > > Current info seems to be that you have a choice of > > either unsynced, > > > or exactly the same length. > > > > > > the fun thing is, seems it will time stretch an > > unsynced loop to fit. > > > > > > andy butler > > > > That's interesting...time stretch without pitch > > transposition, I assume? > > Is it just too hard to develop a multiply-like > > function in one of these > > units? > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger > Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 23:49:03 +0000 > From: "David Rolling" > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Re:RC-50 ..the big questions > > A poster from thegearpage e-mailed Roland who replied that it would be > featured at winter NAMM and shipping sometime next year. No info on price. > > BTW- I'm new & trying to participate here, but when I send to the LD mailing > list, the message come straight back to my inbox. The only way anything I > write turns up is when I respond to a pre-existing post. What am I diong > wrong? > > thanks, > David Rolling > > > >From: Romain > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Re: Re:RC-50 ..the big questions > >Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 00:07:35 +0100 (CET) > > > >Do we have any info about its price and availability ? > > > >--- Kris Hartung a écrit : > > > > > > Kris says > > > > >It wasn't clear to me in the prior emails...does > > > this unit provide > > > > >something equivalent to Multiply so that once you > > > record a loop, you > > > > >aren't limited to that length for additional > > > loops? I wasn't sure if > > > > >the phrase 1, 2, 3 buttons added this feature. > > > > > > > > Current info seems to be that you have a choice of > > > either unsynced, > > > > or exactly the same length. > > > > > > > > the fun thing is, seems it will time stretch an > > > unsynced loop to fit. > > > > > > > > andy butler > > > > > > That's interesting...time stretch without pitch > > > transposition, I assume? > > > Is it just too hard to develop a multiply-like > > > function in one of these > > > units? > > > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > >Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger > >Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com > > Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 18:46:33 -0600 > From: "Mark Smart" > To: > Subject: Re: RC-50: simultaneous loops-different lengths? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Suit & Tie Guy" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 2:45 PM > Subject: Re: RC-50: simultaneous loops-different lengths? > > > > On Nov 8, 2005, at 12:55 PM, Doug Cox wrote: > > > Or an ambient guitar player playing a 3.237485 measure melodic part > > > over a 12.34902 bar bed of drones? :) > > > > > > I can't wait to find out the answers to these questions! > > > > i can see this thing bringing a whole new dimension to Mark Smart's > > guitar act. i can't believe he gets it together as well as he does with > > the RC-20s. > > --- > > Eric Williamson > > www.suitandtieguy.com > > Hi. > Glad you like the looping setup. I use the RC-20s for playback only, and the > Echoplex to do the main looping. I can keep the loops in time pretty well if I > do it in such a way that I never have to hit more than one pedal at a time. > > I won't be getting an RC-50, though, because I just decided to go nuts and > ordered an Open Labs NeKo, on which I will run Reaktor to do all the looping. > And I can add my synthesizer big band horns, too. Unfortunately I have to wait > 6-8 weeks for them to build it! > > If this works out as well as I think I might have a couple of RC-20s (old kind), > a Jamman AND an Echoplex for sale soon. > > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net/ > > Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 17:56:06 -0800 > From: David Coffin > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: RC-50: simultaneous loops-different lengths? > > Ooo! PLEASE keep us updated on how this works out! VERY interesting... > > > On Nov 8, 2005, at 4:46 PM, Mark Smart wrote: > > > I won't be getting an RC-50, though, because I just decided to go > > nuts and > > ordered an Open Labs NeKo, on which I will run Reaktor to do all > > the looping. > > > > > Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 04:18:29 +0100 > From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" > To: > Subject: AW: RC-50: simultaneous loops-different lengths? > > Could you think about making your Reaktor looping ensembles available to > the public domain? I have been thinking about doing something in reaktor > for a long time, yet didn't invest the time to get familiar with this > beast. > > Rainer > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Mark Smart [mailto:mwsmart@insightbb.com] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. November 2005 01:47 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: RC-50: simultaneous loops-different lengths? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Suit & Tie Guy" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 2:45 PM > Subject: Re: RC-50: simultaneous loops-different lengths? > > > > On Nov 8, 2005, at 12:55 PM, Doug Cox wrote: > > > Or an ambient guitar player playing a 3.237485 measure melodic part > > > over a 12.34902 bar bed of drones? :) > > > > > > I can't wait to find out the answers to these questions! > > > > i can see this thing bringing a whole new dimension to Mark Smart's > > guitar act. i can't believe he gets it together as well as he does > > with the RC-20s. > > --- > > Eric Williamson > > www.suitandtieguy.com > > Hi. > Glad you like the looping setup. I use the RC-20s for playback only, and > the Echoplex to do the main looping. I can keep the loops in time pretty > well if I do it in such a way that I never have to hit more than one > pedal at a time. > > I won't be getting an RC-50, though, because I just decided to go nuts > and ordered an Open Labs NeKo, on which I will run Reaktor to do all the > looping. And I can add my synthesizer big band horns, too. Unfortunately > I have to wait 6-8 weeks for them to build it! > > If this works out as well as I think I might have a couple of RC-20s > (old kind), a Jamman AND an Echoplex for sale soon. > > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net/ > > Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 22:02:53 -0600 > From: "Mark Smart" > To: > Subject: Re: RC-50: simultaneous loops-different lengths? > > Sure, I'm not as posessive about that stuff as I am about the big band synth. I > already started working it out on my PC using the Tapedeck modules in Reaktor. > Basically there is a big sequencer that you set up for each song. For each step > in the sequence you tell it what to do using a bunch of buttons. I also had it > set up to control the switching of the bass and guitar sounds of the strings on > the guitar (right now I'm using a switch on the guitar to do this). > > So I would set up the steps something like this: > > 1. Play the hi-hat drum loop and run all six strings through the octave divider > for a bass sound. > > 2. Do the same as above, but recording the result into tapedeck 1. > > 3. Play a crash cymbal. Now switch to a drum loop at the same tempo but with a > ride cymbal. Continue running all six strings through the octave divider. Record > the result into Tapedaeck 2. > > 4. Play back Tapedeck 1. Run all six strings through the guitar amp simulator. > (I would play the tune's head on this part). > > 5. Play a crash. Play back Tapedeck 2. Continue running all six strings through > the guitar amp simulator (I would play a solo on this part). > > 6. Play a crash. Play back Tapedeck one. (I would play the head again on this > part. > > 7. Silence (I would play a break on this part, like a Take the A Train ending or > a BAsie ending. > > 8. Play a crash. Run the bottom two strings through the octave divider and the > top four through the amp simulator. (I would play the last chord on this part). > > End of tune. I use a pedal to advance the sequencer to the next step at the > right time. > > Pretty cool. Reaktor is the ultimate looping device if it's set up correctly. > > On the NeKo I will also be able to run the Native Instruments B4 program and > feed it into Reaktor; that way I can lay down a jazz organ accompaniment and > then play guitar over it. > > Eventually I will incorporate the big band synth into it: > > http://www.marksmart.net/sounddesign/windsounds/reaktorbigband/reaktorbigband.html > > I'm pretty excited about the possibilities! > > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 9:18 PM > Subject: AW: RC-50: simultaneous loops-different lengths? > > > Could you think about making your Reaktor looping ensembles available to > the public domain? I have been thinking about doing something in reaktor > for a long time, yet didn't invest the time to get familiar with this > beast. > > Rainer > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Mark Smart [mailto:mwsmart@insightbb.com] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. November 2005 01:47 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: RC-50: simultaneous loops-different lengths? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Suit & Tie Guy" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 2:45 PM > Subject: Re: RC-50: simultaneous loops-different lengths? > > > > On Nov 8, 2005, at 12:55 PM, Doug Cox wrote: > > > Or an ambient guitar player playing a 3.237485 measure melodic part > > > over a 12.34902 bar bed of drones? :) > > > > > > I can't wait to find out the answers to these questions! > > > > i can see this thing bringing a whole new dimension to Mark Smart's > > guitar act. i can't believe he gets it together as well as he does > > with the RC-20s. > > --- > > Eric Williamson > > www.suitandtieguy.com > > Hi. > Glad you like the looping setup. I use the RC-20s for playback only, and > the Echoplex to do the main looping. I can keep the loops in time pretty > well if I do it in such a way that I never have to hit more than one > pedal at a time. > > I won't be getting an RC-50, though, because I just decided to go nuts > and ordered an Open Labs NeKo, on which I will run Reaktor to do all the > looping. And I can add my synthesizer big band horns, too. Unfortunately > I have to wait 6-8 weeks for them to build it! > > If this works out as well as I think I might have a couple of RC-20s > (old kind), a Jamman AND an Echoplex for sale soon. > > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net/ > > Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 20:41:15 -0800 > From: Zoe Keating > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: gig spam: cello loops in seattle, 11/11 > > Hi Loopers, > > I'll be playing in a looped cello set in Seattle on Friday, Nov 11th > as part of the Rockrgrl Conference. Please, if you live in the > Seattle area, or happen to be there this weekend, come out and see me!! > > Here are the details: > Friday, Nov 11th > midnight > $7 > Rendevous Grotto > 2322 2nd Avenue > > venue website:http://www.jewelboxtheater.com/main/event.php?id=664 > my site: http:///www.zoekeating.com > > Thank you very, very much, > > Zoe > > Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 20:50:15 -0800 > From: "Gary Lehmann" > To: > Subject: RE: RC-50 FB? > > -----Original Message----- > From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 1:19 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re:RC-50 ..the big questions > > Gary says > >It sorta looks like FB is achievable with an expression pedal, > > how'd ya figure that? > I read the info as saying "no feedback control, but can do a fade out > on switch off of the loop" > > ...but I want you to be right :-) > > --->Translation says: > As for the RC-50, while re-raising the phrase, tap * tempo and outside of > the pedal with the expression * pedal which you connect, it is possible to > change refresh rate into real time. > > But my head hurts when I try to follow the translation 8>) > G > __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 19:47:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F09B63BEF1; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 19:47:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 13:47:39 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Reaktor In-reply-to: <001501c5e55b$98baf0e0$e965dd0c@insightbb.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4372525B.6010306@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <000b01c5e55b$24942380$e965dd0c@insightbb.com> <001501c5e55b$98baf0e0$e965dd0c@insightbb.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 19:47:46 +0000 (UTC) Mark Smart wrote: > BTW I heard that someone posted a complete Echoplex emulation in the Reaktor > user library. Haven't tried it. The word "complete", like "forever" and "love" is very powerful and often misused :-) I don't doubt that you could build something in Reaktor that has some of the most commonly used features of an Echoplex. But writing a "complete" emulation would be extremely difficult and I would bet is even impossible. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 19:57:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA7213BEFE; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 19:57:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,309,1125892800"; d="scan'208,217"; a="962826727:sNHT21486126" In-Reply-To: <001501c5e55b$98baf0e0$e965dd0c@insightbb.com> References: <000b01c5e55b$24942380$e965dd0c@insightbb.com> <001501c5e55b$98baf0e0$e965dd0c@insightbb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-787673720 Message-Id: <1DB86DA9-CA78-4A60-BD64-369CF667BE65@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Reaktor Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:56:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 19:57:09 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-787673720 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Nov 9, 2005, at 10:30 AM, Mark Smart wrote: > BTW I heard that someone posted a complete Echoplex emulation in =20 > the Reaktor > user library. Haven't tried it. Haven=92t ever seen such a thing, or been able to find it by searching, =20= but here=92s a link to a screen shot of a pretty cool Reaktor = live-looper: http://snipurl.com/jp56-SK4XH There used to be a headrush emulation in the user-library, but it=92s =20= gone now... Don=92t think non-owners can browse the Reaktor user-library, but if =20 anyone here would like to peruse a 40-page pdf file I created =20 outlining how folks with no code/DSP experience could use Reaktor to =20 build extraordinary FX, just let me know and I=92ll post a downloadable =20= copy. It gives a pretty good sense of how flexible and deep Reaktor =20 is as a DIY realtime FX device, I think. dc --Apple-Mail-2-787673720 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252
    On Nov 9, 2005, at 10:30 AM, Mark Smart = wrote:
    BTW I heard that someone posted a complete Echoplex emulation in = the Reaktor
    user library. = Haven't tried it.



    Haven=92t = ever seen such a thing, or been able to find it by searching, but here=92s= a link to a screen shot of a pretty cool Reaktor = live-looper:

    http://snipurl.com/jp56-SK4XH
    There used to be a = headrush emulation in the user-library, but it=92s gone = now...

    Don=92t = think non-owners can browse the Reaktor user-library, but if anyone here = would like to peruse a 40-page pdf file I created outlining how folks = with no code/DSP experience could use Reaktor to build extraordinary FX, = just let me know and I=92ll post a downloadable copy. It gives a pretty = good sense of how=A0flexible and deep Reaktor is as a DIY realtime FX = device, I think.
    dc



    = --Apple-Mail-2-787673720-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 20:10:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBC003BEF8; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:10:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,309,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="1476800674:sNHT16445988" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Coffin Subject: Reaktor FX pdf Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:10:30 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:10:32 +0000 (UTC) Here=92s that link: http://snipurl.com/jp5z-NWY8P= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 20:25:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19C533BF0A; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:25:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,309,1125892800"; d="scan'208,217"; a="945604294:sNHT21777576" Resent-Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-789410040 Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:25:48 -0800 Message-Id: Resent-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Coffin Subject: Reaktor FX pdf Resent-From: David Coffin Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:10:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-3-789410040 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Here=92s that link again (seems to have some trouble opening in =20 Safari=92s built-in pdf reader; let me know if you have problems): http://snipurl.com/jp6j-FUURN --Apple-Mail-3-789410040 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252
    Here=92s that = link again (seems to have some trouble opening in Safari=92s built-in = pdf reader; let me know if you have problems):


    = --Apple-Mail-3-789410040-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 20:28:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6DD93BF0D; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:28:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43725BE1.9020902@pdq.net> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 14:28:17 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reaktor FX pdf References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:28:18 +0000 (UTC) It might be good to post this to the Looper's Delight file section: http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/ Dig David Coffin wrote: > Here’s that link again (seems to have some trouble opening in Safari’s > built-in pdf reader; let me know if you have problems): > > http://snipurl.com/jp6j-FUURN > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 20:36:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 743C03BF11; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:36:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XW8xHGuVEsk7Leyk7pN/RblivS+z6kCukZgZdXBpVOWKLxau6chbp9/aqx1oZqd69UlWg+ZnEVR9N2mPOVlW7hdoGEDEeIdS1sl2tLHk/exqG5NejVXjEa/z5L17RS/ZtQFEx4JNdcbGqSX2Qirs0abTcfREHNiY8nNfaYdbX1E= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 14:36:47 -0600 From: Jon Southwood To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reaktor In-Reply-To: <1DB86DA9-CA78-4A60-BD64-369CF667BE65@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000b01c5e55b$24942380$e965dd0c@insightbb.com> <001501c5e55b$98baf0e0$e965dd0c@insightbb.com> <1DB86DA9-CA78-4A60-BD64-369CF667BE65@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: <9p3p3.A.OzB.h3lcDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:36:49 +0000 (UTC) David, I'd love to see a copy of that PDF. I've been considering buying Reaktor for a while now. Reading that PDF will probably have me pulling the trigger sooner rather than later. Cheers, Jon Southwood On 11/9/05, David Coffin wrote: > > On Nov 9, 2005, at 10:30 AM, Mark Smart wrote: > BTW I heard that someone posted a complete Echoplex emulation in the Reak= tor > user library. Haven't tried it. > > > > Haven't ever seen such a thing, or been able to find it by searching, but > here's a link to a screen shot of a pretty cool Reaktor live-looper: > > http://snipurl.com/jp56-SK4XH > > There used to be a headrush emulation in the user-library, but it's gone > now... > > Don't think non-owners can browse the Reaktor user-library, but if anyone > here would like to peruse a 40-page pdf file I created outlining how folk= s > with no code/DSP experience could use Reaktor to build extraordinary FX, > just let me know and I'll post a downloadable copy. It gives a pretty goo= d > sense of how flexible and deep Reaktor is as a DIY realtime FX device, I > think. > dc > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 20:37:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CA613BF1C; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:37:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reaktor Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 20:37:32 +0000 Message-Id: <110920052037.28499.43725E0C0007211500006F5321979128029B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 21 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: <06m2P.A.L7B.O4lcDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:37:35 +0000 (UTC) > Mark Smart wrote: > I don't doubt that you could build something in Reaktor that has > some of the most commonly used features of an Echoplex. But > writing a "complete" emulation would be extremely difficult > and I would bet is even impossible. > > Jeff On the contrary, I think it's possible to build something in Reaktor that does everything the Echoplex does and a lot more. And has storage capacity limited only by the size of your hard drive. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 20:38:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DB453BF14; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:38:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Synchronizing Real Time Drumming with a Prerecorded Loop was Re: query 'real time live looping' Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:25:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcXlW+GeCcAzC3F5QSmIEzfKOAzemAAB0rgw In-Reply-To: <437240BC.9030409@pdq.net> Message-Id: <20051109192515.XDJQ4169.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:38:13 +0000 (UTC) Yes, I bought one of these and they work well--but I'm not using mine, and would be willing to sell it. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 10:32 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Synchronizing Real Time Drumming with a Prerecorded Loop was Re: query 'real time live looping' I haven't tried one of these, but it might be what you're looking for: http://www.ploytec.com/34one/ Seems like your drummer could either stomp or hit it occasionally to establish tempo (and update the tempo). Good luck with your work. Dig Dan Ash wrote: > > >> both sides of the problem..........being the looper or responding > to a loop that I can't control myself, live. > > What about synching my looper to a tap-tempo controller that the > drummer manages? > > I have been trying to configure a looping environment for myself and > an electronic percussionist who uses a VST sampler/loop playback > virtual instrument hosted by his recording software. I have been > taking a sync signal out from the computer with some success, and my > Repeater loops stay in sync with his drum loops. However I'm looking > for a solution that will allow us to take it outside the studio. > > Syncing to the computer doesn't allow for tempo changes on the fly, so > I figured the logical extension would be to remove the computer and > substitute some sort of tap-tempo device. It seems like I should be > able to let the drummer control the looper tempo (assuming they can > play to the tempo they establish themselves). Anyone tried this in > practice? What would be a good tap-tempo device so the drummer could > provide the MIDI sync output? > > A secondary consideration - I'd like to avoid using headphones... > > Thanks, > Dan Ash > White Plains, NY > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 20:39:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97B7C3BF23; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:39:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=KsQ3S2s82BjyD6j4WSmUKAUhSTusX/6AONyh+nXE08pSrprhDSGXB0N1EnhAvqSHUaalTzdsuGga2IwEofsWa4I+1EF6MOry4OFwwA1/ZtSs9L/TPOB6iuPrI9oJRD/3rlisJQlqIYfHIBePAkTRD1ACOF/8HfVfWWOHdhAPHjs= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 12:39:52 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reaktor In-Reply-To: <110920052037.28499.43725E0C0007211500006F5321979128029B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_41646_1797270.1131568792512" References: <110920052037.28499.43725E0C0007211500006F5321979128029B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:39:55 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_41646_1797270.1131568792512 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Can it go from recording the first loop immediately into overdub? TravisH On 11/9/05, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > > > > > > Mark Smart wrote: > > I don't doubt that you could build something in Reaktor that has > > some of the most commonly used features of an Echoplex. But > > writing a "complete" emulation would be extremely difficult > > and I would bet is even impossible. > > > > Jeff > > On the contrary, I think it's possible to build something in Reaktor > that does everything the Echoplex does and a lot more. And has storage > capacity limited only by the size of your hard drive. > > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net > > ------=_Part_41646_1797270.1131568792512 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Can it go from recording the first loop immediately into overdub?

    TravisH

    On 11/9/05, mwsmart@insightbb.c= om <mwsmart@insightbb.c= om > wrote:



    > Mark Smart wrote:
    > I don't doubt that you could bu= ild something in Reaktor that has
    > some of the most commonly used features of an Echoplex.  = ;But
    > writing a "complete" emulation would be extremely di= fficult
    > and I would bet is even impossible.
    >
    > Jeff
    On the contrary, I think it's possible to build something in Reaktor
    that does everything the Echoplex does and a lot more. And has storage<= br>capacity limited only by the size of your hard drive.

    Mark Smart<= br>http://www.marksmart.net

    ------=_Part_41646_1797270.1131568792512-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 20:50:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 675523BEF6; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:50:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reaktor Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 20:50:48 +0000 Message-Id: <110920052050.6389.43726128000C5DF3000018F521979129959B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 21 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_6389_1131569448_0" Resent-Message-ID: <1xl90C.A.ITC.rEmcDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:50:51 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_6389_1131569448_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You can configure Reaktor to do pretty much anything, it's like audio LEGOs. Overdub would be no problem. You have to build this stuff yourself out of the modules, but almost anything is possible. I haven't tried it, but I think I can do overdub even on that very basic looper I posted, just by settings the buttons like this: 1. Record on Tapedeck 1 2. Play back Tapedeck 1 while recording on Tapedeck 2. 3. Play back Tapedecks 1 and 2. Solo over the top. 4. Stop playing Tapedeck 2 but leave Tapedeck 1 playing (like Undo). This basic looper I built only has 3 loop capacity, but you could expand that to any number by adding more Tapedecks and rows to the sequencer. Also, if you didn't like the sequencer idea that I have here, you could rebuild it like an Echoplex where there are multiple pedals controlling multiple functions. I did it with a sequencer because I wanted to have three or four things happening at once and to have the prerecorded drum loops and hits all synchronized. Maybe you haven't used Reaktor, it is the most powerful sound generation program I've ever seen other than Kyma and maybe Max/MSP. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_6389_1131569448_0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reaktor Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:40:10 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_6389_1131569448_1" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_6389_1131569448_1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Can it go from recording the first loop immediately into overdub? TravisH On 11/9/05, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > > > > > > Mark Smart wrote: > > I don't doubt that you could build something in Reaktor that has > > some of the most commonly used features of an Echoplex. But > > writing a "complete" emulation would be extremely difficult > > and I would bet is even impossible. > > > > Jeff > > On the contrary, I think it's possible to build something in Reaktor > that does everything the Echoplex does and a lot more. And has storage > capacity limited only by the size of your hard drive. > > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net > > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_6389_1131569448_1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Can it go from recording the first loop immediately into overdub?

    TravisH

    On 11/9/05, mwsmart@insightbb.c= om <mwsmart@insightbb.c= om > wrote:



    > Mark Smart wrote:
    > I don't doubt that you could bu= ild something in Reaktor that has
    > some of the most commonly used features of an Echoplex.  = ;But
    > writing a "complete" emulation would be extremely di= fficult
    > and I would bet is even impossible.
    >
    > Jeff
    On the contrary, I think it's possible to build something in Reaktor
    that does everything the Echoplex does and a lot more. And has storage<= br>capacity limited only by the size of your hard drive.

    Mark Smart<= br>http://www.marksmart.net

    --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_6389_1131569448_1-- --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_6389_1131569448_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 21:01:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82DA13BF00; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 21:01:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tx3rYAR/zVfotiuGiAH90dWiwgpThB3HqMmMt4vH6znTl4uB/sgLkn1GH/MyRYho1wJqsE5+kVlYrhEEx2/eAd3FkUM4AC0YhiR3YPGwHMFjOueNXVBSqdi0vLoFVfeA3yhK9jC30za/ZMcxBdvs+rc0kPNXom4ChBas2rF7HRo= ; Message-ID: <20051109210109.18201.qmail@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:01:08 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Reaktor To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001501c5e55b$98baf0e0$e965dd0c@insightbb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 21:01:10 +0000 (UTC) There is, however, a light version of Reaktor that will play patches just not make them. Mark --- Mark Smart wrote: > BTW I heard that someone posted a complete Echoplex > emulation in the Reaktor > user library. Haven't tried it. > > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Smart" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 12:26 PM > Subject: Re: Reaktor > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 11:37 AM > > Subject: Re: Reaktor > > > > > > > Hi, > > > Mark forgive my ignorance about Reaktor but does > you ensemble run as a self > > > executing program for those that do not have > Reaktor? > > > Would be nice to have the option of guitar > processing on other sound > sources. > > > > > > > > > Mark Sargeant > > > > Nope, unfortunately you have to have Reaktor. > > > > I posted a basic looper here at the bottom of the > page: > > > > > http://www.marksmart.net/sounddesign/bysynth/reaktor/reaktor.html > > > > Mark Smart > > http://www.marksmart.net/ > > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 21:17:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D075F3BEFC; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 21:17:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:17:55 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Reaktor In-reply-to: <110920052037.28499.43725E0C0007211500006F5321979128029B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43726783.3060203@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <110920052037.28499.43725E0C0007211500006F5321979128029B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 21:17:59 +0000 (UTC) mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > On the contrary, I think it's possible to build something in Reaktor > that does everything the Echoplex does and a lot more. And has storage > capacity limited only by the size of your hard drive. Of course Reaktor can do things the Echoplex cannot do, most software loopers can. But having spent a considerable amount of time myself building something that behaves similar to an EDP, I feel comfortable claiming that there is no way Reaktor can do *everything* an Echoplex does, at least not wiring together pre-built "modules". Can you get half way? Probably. Can you do 80% of every feature? Possibly but I doubt it. Can you do everything that the majority of Echoplex owners actually end up using? Quite likely. But that's not *everything*. How about: SamplerStyle=Once Sync=OutUserStart MuteQuantMIDIStartSong Loop Windowing And we're not even scratching the surface. If you want to forgo pre-built modules and write C code, then sure but you're basically just writing a VST plugin at that point, why limit yourself to a Reaktor host? Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 21:31:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD08A3BF10; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 21:31:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reaktor Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 21:31:07 +0000 Message-Id: <110920052131.15618.43726A9B0004EEA800003D0221979267619B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 21 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 21:31:09 +0000 (UTC) > mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > Of course Reaktor can do things the Echoplex cannot do, > most software loopers can. > > But having spent a considerable amount of time myself building > something that behaves similar to an EDP, I feel comfortable > claiming that there is no way Reaktor can do *everything* > an Echoplex does, at least not wiring together pre-built > "modules". > > Can you get half way? Probably. Can you do 80% of > every feature? Possibly but I doubt it. Can you do > everything that the majority of Echoplex owners actually > end up using? Quite likely. But that's not *everything*. > How about: > > SamplerStyle=Once > Sync=OutUserStart > MuteQuantMIDIStartSong > Loop Windowing > > And we're not even scratching the surface. If you want to forgo > pre-built modules and write C code, then sure but you're basically > just writing a VST plugin at that point, why limit yourself to > a Reaktor host? > > Jeff I'm pretty sure Loop Windowing could be done using the Audio Table module. I'll look up the other functions. I don't have Reaktor 5 yet; Reaktor 4 doesn't have modules for dealing with MIDI Sysex Data, but I think they added that in version 5. I'm pretty sure there are already modules for sending MIDI Synch signals. I think there's one for the Start Song message, too. I believe it responds either to the MIDI message or to the play button at the top of the screen. I'll do some more research. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 21:38:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 342823BF06; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 21:38:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.68.251.147] X-Originating-Email: [david_rolling@sympatico.ca] X-Sender: david_rolling@sympatico.ca In-Reply-To: <20051109190132.99749.qmail@web34208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "David Rolling" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:CFC's for Repeater Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 21:38:44 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2005 21:38:45.0112 (UTC) FILETIME=[F600F780:01C5E575] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 21:38:47 +0000 (UTC) Thanks very much Stephen. Never had any problems with e-mail till I started paying for a 'real' account w/Ma Bell. Really appreciate your help! david >From: S V G >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re:CFC's for Repeater >Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:01:31 -0800 (PST) > > > David, > > Check out the archives at the RepeaterUsers Yahoo group for all the >findings on CFC >compatibility. > > Secondly, you do not have your email client configured properly to >send/recieve mail from >this list. I would suggest contacting your ISP. Better yet, just get a >Yahoo email account and >subscribe to this list through it. > > Stephen > > > > > > > > > > Hi all. Been lurking around the site for years & finally joined up. > > Everything's going into my junkmail folder, and the only time I answered >to > > a post, it went straight to the sender. I didn't see my own message till > > they responded. I guess I'll have to cut&paste from my junkmail to my >inbox > > in order to participate. Bit of a pain, but no more difficult than >making > > accurate loops with my old PDS8000. > > > > Anyway, I've never been able to find a CFC that worked w/my Repeater, >other > > than the SimpleTech 32MB that it shipped with. I've tried the >recommended > > brands w/no success, and they're not easy to return, considering that > > there's nothing really wrong w/them, other than their incompatability >w/the > > Repeater. I understand that the 'Hitachi control chip set' is crucial, >but > > am met w/blank stares at computer & camera stores. The cards never >indicate > > that info either. > > > > Of all the vagaries & peculiarities of the Repeater, this one's the most > > vexing to me. Are cards w/this chip still being made? Where can I get >one in > > Canada? > > > > Thanks, > > David Rolling > > > Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:45:07 -0600 > > From: Suit & Tie Guy > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: RC-50: simultaneous loops-different lengths? > > > > On Nov 8, 2005, at 12:55 PM, Doug Cox wrote: > > > Or an ambient guitar player playing a 3.237485 measure melodic part > > > over a 12.34902 bar bed of drones? :) > > > > > > I can't wait to find out the answers to these questions! > > > > i can see this thing bringing a whole new dimension to Mark Smart's > > guitar act. i can't believe he gets it together as well as he does with > > the RC-20s. > > --- > > Eric Williamson > > www.suitandtieguy.com > > > Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 21:18:38 +0000 > > From: a k butler > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re:RC-50 ..the big questions > > > > Gary says > > >It sorta looks like FB is achievable with an expression pedal, > > > > how'd ya figure that? > > I read the info as saying "no feedback control, but can do a fade out > > on switch off of the loop" > > > > ...but I want you to be right :-) > > > > Kris says > > >It wasn't clear to me in the prior emails...does this unit provide > > >something equivalent to Multiply so that once you record a loop, you > > >aren't limited to that length for additional loops? I wasn't sure if > > >the phrase 1, 2, 3 buttons added this feature. > > > > Current info seems to be that you have a choice of either unsynced, > > or exactly the same length. > > > > the fun thing is, seems it will time stretch an unsynced loop to fit. > > > > andy butler > > > Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 16:21:35 -0500 > > From: Tom Ritchford > > To: mungenast@earthlink.net > > CC: Loopers-Delight > > Subject: Re: fretless fest > > > > Did they manage to raise enough money to buy themselves the missing >frets?? > > > > On 11/7/05, Timothy Mungenast wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Gang: > > > The 12/05 Guitar Player magazine has a sidebar on the NYC Fretless >Guitar > > > Festival, which I'm sure some of you attended. > > > ( www.unfretted.com ) > > > > > > Sonic Joy, > > > Tim Mungenast > > > > > > > > > > > > Timothy Mungenast > > > mungenast@earthlink.net > > > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > /t > > > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > > Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 17:07:52 -0500 > > From: "Timothy Mungenast" > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: fretless fest > > > > Nice one, man! Thanks for the much-needed laugh! > > ~Tim > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > > From: Tom Ritchford > > > To: > > > Cc: Loopers-Delight > > > Date: 11/8/2005 4:21:37 PM > > > Subject: Re: fretless fest > > > > > > Did they manage to raise enough money to buy themselves the missing > > frets?? > > > > > > On 11/7/05, Timothy Mungenast wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Gang: > > > > The 12/05 Guitar Player magazine has a sidebar on the NYC Fretless > > Guitar > > > > Festival, which I'm sure some of you attended. > > > > ( www.unfretted.com ) > > > > > > > > Sonic Joy, > > > > Tim Mungenast > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Timothy Mungenast > > > > mungenast@earthlink.net > > > > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > /t > > > > > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > > Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:07:31 -0800 > > From: Travis Hartnett > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: fretless fest > > > > I think they're still saving up for a tuner to share between them... > > > > On 11/8/05, Tom Ritchford wrote: > > > Did they manage to raise enough money to buy themselves the missing >frets?? > > > > > > Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:33:00 -0700 > > From: "Kris Hartung" > > To: > > Subject: Re: Re:RC-50 ..the big questions > > > > > Kris says > > > >It wasn't clear to me in the prior emails...does this unit provide > > > >something equivalent to Multiply so that once you record a loop, you > > > >aren't limited to that length for additional loops? I wasn't sure if > > > >the phrase 1, 2, 3 buttons added this feature. > > > > > > Current info seems to be that you have a choice of either unsynced, > > > or exactly the same length. > > > > > > the fun thing is, seems it will time stretch an unsynced loop to fit. > > > > > > andy butler > > > > That's interesting...time stretch without pitch transposition, I assume? > > Is it just too hard to develop a multiply-like function in one of these > > units? > > > > Kris > > > Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 00:07:35 +0100 (CET) > > From: Romain > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Re:RC-50 ..the big questions > > > > Do we have any info about its price and availability ? > > > > --- Kris Hartung a écrit : > > > > > > Kris says > > > > >It wasn't clear to me in the prior emails...does > > > this unit provide > > > > >something equivalent to Multiply so that once you > > > record a loop, you > > > > >aren't limited to that length for additional > > > loops? I wasn't sure if > > > > >the phrase 1, 2, 3 buttons added this feature. > > > > > > > > Current info seems to be that you have a choice of > > > either unsynced, > > > > or exactly the same length. > > > > > > > > the fun thing is, seems it will time stretch an > > > unsynced loop to fit. > > > > > > > > andy butler > > > > > > That's interesting...time stretch without pitch > > > transposition, I assume? > > > Is it just too hard to develop a multiply-like > > > function in one of these > > > units? > > > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > > Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! >Messenger > > Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com > > > Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 15:47:24 -0800 (PST) > > From: ditch wrestler > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Re:RC-50 ..the big questions > > > > I had my LMS guy call Roland Canada and the rep he spoke to said this >was the first he had > > heard/seen of the unit. > > > > The rep said, though, that this isn't uncommon for Roland and that based >on past experience, > > it'll probably be at the Winter NAMM show. > > > > > > ted. > > > > Romain wrote: > > Do we have any info about its price and availability ? > > > > --- Kris Hartung a écrit : > > > > > > Kris says > > > > >It wasn't clear to me in the prior emails...does > > > this unit provide > > > > >something equivalent to Multiply so that once you > > > record a loop, you > > > > >aren't limited to that length for additional > > > loops? I wasn't sure if > > > > >the phrase 1, 2, 3 buttons added this feature. > > > > > > > > Current info seems to be that you have a choice of > > > either unsynced, > > > > or exactly the same length. > > > > > > > > the fun thing is, seems it will time stretch an > > > unsynced loop to fit. > > > > > > > > andy butler > > > > > > That's interesting...time stretch without pitch > > > transposition, I assume? > > > Is it just too hard to develop a multiply-like > > > function in one of these > > > units? > > > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > > Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! >Messenger > > Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > Date: >Tue, 08 Nov 2005 >23:49:03 +0000 > > From: "David Rolling" > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Re:RC-50 ..the big questions > > > > A poster from thegearpage e-mailed Roland who replied that it would be > > featured at winter NAMM and shipping sometime next year. No info on >price. > > > > BTW- I'm new & trying to participate here, but when I send to the LD >mailing > > list, the message come straight back to my inbox. The only way anything >I > > write turns up is when I respond to a pre-existing post. What am I diong > > wrong? > > > > thanks, > > David Rolling > > > > > > >From: Romain > > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >Subject: Re: Re:RC-50 ..the big questions > > >Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 00:07:35 +0100 (CET) > > > > > >Do we have any info about its price and availability ? > > > > > >--- Kris Hartung a écrit : > > > > > > > > Kris says > > > > > >It wasn't clear to me in the prior emails...does > > > > this unit provide > > > > > >something equivalent to Multiply so that once you > > > > record a loop, you > > > > > >aren't limited to that length for additional > > > > loops? I wasn't sure if > > > > > >the phrase 1, 2, 3 buttons added this feature. > > > > > > > > > > Current info seems to be that you have a choice of > > > > either unsynced, > > > > > or exactly the same length. > > > > > > > > > > the fun thing is, seems it will time stretch an > > > > unsynced loop to fit. > > > > > > > > > > andy butler > > > > > > > > That's interesting...time stretch without pitch > > > > transposition, I assume? > > > > Is it just too hard to develop a multiply-like > > > > function in one of these > > > > units? > > > > > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________________________ > > >Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! >Messenger > > >Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com > > > Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 18:46:33 -0600 > > From: "Mark Smart" > > To: > > Subject: Re: RC-50: simultaneous loops-different lengths? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Suit & Tie Guy" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 2:45 PM > > Subject: Re: RC-50: simultaneous loops-different lengths? > > > > > > > On Nov 8, 2005, at 12:55 PM, Doug Cox wrote: > > > > Or an ambient guitar player playing a 3.237485 measure melodic part > > > > over a 12.34902 bar bed of drones? :) > > > > > > > > I can't wait to find out the answers to these questions! > > > > > > i can see this thing bringing a whole new dimension to Mark Smart's > > > guitar act. i can't believe he gets it together as well as he does >with > > > the RC-20s. > > > --- > > > Eric Williamson > > > www.suitandtieguy.com > > > > Hi. > > Glad you like the looping setup. I use the RC-20s for playback only, and >the > > Echoplex to do the main looping. I can keep the loops in time pretty >well if I > > do it in such a way that I never have to hit more than one pedal at a >time. > > > > I won't be getting an RC-50, though, because I just decided to go nuts >and > > ordered an Open Labs NeKo, on which I will run Reaktor to do all the >looping. > > And I can add my synthesizer big band horns, too. Unfortunately I have >to wait > > 6-8 weeks for them to build it! > > > > If this works out as well as I think I might have a couple of RC-20s >(old kind), > > a Jamman AND an Echoplex for sale soon. > > > > Mark Smart > > http://www.marksmart.net/ > > > Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 17:56:06 -0800 > > From: David Coffin > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: RC-50: simultaneous loops-different lengths? > > > > Ooo! PLEASE keep us updated on how this works out! VERY interesting... > > > > > > On Nov 8, 2005, at 4:46 PM, Mark Smart wrote: > > > > > I won't be getting an RC-50, though, because I just decided to go > > > nuts and > > > ordered an Open Labs NeKo, on which I will run Reaktor to do all > > > the looping. > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 04:18:29 +0100 > > From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" > > To: > > Subject: AW: RC-50: simultaneous loops-different lengths? > > > > Could you think about making your Reaktor looping ensembles available to > > the public domain? I have been thinking about doing something in reaktor > > for a long time, yet didn't invest the time to get familiar with this > > beast. > > > > Rainer > > > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: Mark Smart [mailto:mwsmart@insightbb.com] > > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. November 2005 01:47 > > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Betreff: Re: RC-50: simultaneous loops-different lengths? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Suit & Tie Guy" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 2:45 PM > > Subject: Re: RC-50: simultaneous loops-different lengths? > > > > > > > On Nov 8, 2005, at 12:55 PM, Doug Cox wrote: > > > > Or an ambient guitar player playing a 3.237485 measure melodic part > > > > over a 12.34902 bar bed of drones? :) > > > > > > > > I can't wait to find out the answers to these questions! > > > > > > i can see this thing bringing a whole new dimension to Mark Smart's > > > guitar act. i can't believe he gets it together as well as he does > > > with the RC-20s. > > > --- > > > Eric Williamson > > > www.suitandtieguy.com > > > > Hi. > > Glad you like the looping setup. I use the RC-20s for playback only, and > > the Echoplex to do the main looping. I can keep the loops in time pretty > > well if I do it in such a way that I never have to hit more than one > > pedal at a time. > > > > I won't be getting an RC-50, though, because I just decided to go nuts > > and ordered an Open Labs NeKo, on which I will run Reaktor to do all the > > looping. And I can add my synthesizer big band horns, too. Unfortunately > > I have to wait 6-8 weeks for them to build it! > > > > If this works out as well as I think I might have a couple of RC-20s > > (old kind), a Jamman AND an Echoplex for sale soon. > > > > Mark Smart > > http://www.marksmart.net/ > > > Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 22:02:53 -0600 > > From: "Mark Smart" > > To: > > Subject: Re: RC-50: simultaneous loops-different lengths? > > > > Sure, I'm not as posessive about that stuff as I am about the big band >synth. I > > already started working it out on my PC using the Tapedeck modules in >Reaktor. > > Basically there is a big sequencer that you set up for each song. For >each step > > in the sequence you tell it what to do using a bunch of buttons. I also >had it > > set up to control the switching of the bass and guitar sounds of the >strings on > > the guitar (right now I'm using a switch on the guitar to do this). > > > > So I would set up the steps something like this: > > > > 1. Play the hi-hat drum loop and run all six strings through the octave >divider > > for a bass sound. > > > > 2. Do the same as above, but recording the result into tapedeck 1. > > > > 3. Play a crash cymbal. Now switch to a drum loop at the same tempo but >with a > > ride cymbal. Continue running all six strings through the octave >divider. Record > > the result into Tapedaeck 2. > > > > 4. Play back Tapedeck 1. Run all six strings through the guitar amp >simulator. > > (I would play the tune's head on this part). > > > > 5. Play a crash. Play back Tapedeck 2. Continue running all six strings >through > > the guitar amp simulator (I would play a solo on this part). > > > > 6. Play a crash. Play back Tapedeck one. (I would play the head again on >this > > part. > > > > 7. Silence (I would play a break on this part, like a Take the A Train >ending or > > a BAsie ending. > > > > 8. Play a crash. Run the bottom two strings through the octave divider >and the > > top four through the amp simulator. (I would play the last chord on this >part). > > > > End of tune. I use a pedal to advance the sequencer to the next step at >the > > right time. > > > > Pretty cool. Reaktor is the ultimate looping device if it's set up >correctly. > > > > On the NeKo I will also be able to run the Native Instruments B4 program >and > > feed it into Reaktor; that way I can lay down a jazz organ accompaniment >and > > then play guitar over it. > > > > Eventually I will incorporate the big band synth into it: > > > > >http://www.marksmart.net/sounddesign/windsounds/reaktorbigband/reaktorbigband.html > > > > I'm pretty excited about the possibilities! > > > > Mark Smart > > http://www.marksmart.net/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 9:18 PM > > Subject: AW: RC-50: simultaneous loops-different lengths? > > > > > > Could you think about making your Reaktor looping ensembles available to > > the public domain? I have been thinking about doing something in reaktor > > for a long time, yet didn't invest the time to get familiar with this > > beast. > > > > Rainer > > > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: Mark Smart [mailto:mwsmart@insightbb.com] > > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. November 2005 01:47 > > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Betreff: Re: RC-50: simultaneous loops-different lengths? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Suit & Tie Guy" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 2:45 PM > > Subject: Re: RC-50: simultaneous loops-different lengths? > > > > > > > On Nov 8, 2005, at 12:55 PM, Doug Cox wrote: > > > > Or an ambient guitar player playing a 3.237485 measure melodic part > > > > over a 12.34902 bar bed of drones? :) > > > > > > > > I can't wait to find out the answers to these questions! > > > > > > i can see this thing bringing a whole new dimension to Mark Smart's > > > guitar act. i can't believe he gets it together as well as he does > > > with the RC-20s. > > > --- > > > Eric Williamson > > > www.suitandtieguy.com > > > > Hi. > > Glad you like the looping setup. I use the RC-20s for playback only, and > > the Echoplex to do the main looping. I can keep the loops in time pretty > > well if I do it in such a way that I never have to hit more than one > > pedal at a time. > > > > I won't be getting an RC-50, though, because I just decided to go nuts > > and ordered an Open Labs NeKo, on which I will run Reaktor to do all the > > looping. And I can add my synthesizer big band horns, too. Unfortunately > > I have to wait 6-8 weeks for them to build it! > > > > If this works out as well as I think I might have a couple of RC-20s > > (old kind), a Jamman AND an Echoplex for sale soon. > > > > Mark Smart > > http://www.marksmart.net/ > > > Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 20:41:15 -0800 > > From: Zoe Keating > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: gig spam: cello loops in seattle, 11/11 > > > > Hi Loopers, > > > > I'll be playing in a looped cello set in Seattle on Friday, Nov 11th > > as part of the Rockrgrl Conference. Please, if you live in the > > Seattle area, or happen to be there this weekend, come out and see me!! > > > > Here are the details: > > Friday, Nov 11th > > midnight > > $7 > > Rendevous Grotto > > 2322 2nd Avenue > > > > venue website:http://www.jewelboxtheater.com/main/event.php?id=664 > > my site: http:///www.zoekeating.com > > > > Thank you very, very much, > > > > Zoe > > > Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 20:50:15 -0800 > > From: "Gary Lehmann" > > To: > > Subject: RE: RC-50 FB? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 1:19 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re:RC-50 ..the big questions > > > > Gary says > > >It sorta looks like FB is achievable with an expression pedal, > > > > how'd ya figure that? > > I read the info as saying "no feedback control, but can do a fade out > > on switch off of the loop" > > > > ...but I want you to be right :-) > > > > --->Translation says: > > As for the RC-50, while re-raising the phrase, tap * tempo and outside >of > > the pedal with the expression * pedal which you connect, it is possible >to > > change refresh rate into real time. > > > > But my head hurts when I try to follow the translation 8>) > > G > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! >http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 21:42:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AA373BF08; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 21:42:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=T9L4F+sBdXJcZiiVql0SvbD/lTNetbTHmQNx2/KcwxaIkDtDlAGQj218CZA93xOTYFw929n2TlR/24f1Pc235T7Hk7rFti/MEm4LJ9OVKGgg0vwsP1Qf2r8LjyNjfIt25RpKgA3xKiwhOIgQMnYIBCqN4joBFo2DWSduS/YKsgI= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:42:18 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reaktor In-Reply-To: <110920052050.6389.43726128000C5DF3000018F521979129959B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_42850_987769.1131572538311" References: <110920052050.6389.43726128000C5DF3000018F521979129959B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 21:42:24 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_42850_987769.1131572538311 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline What you've described doesn't sound like overdubbing, but rather the creation of simultaneous synchronized loops, each with one layer of audio data. What comes out of the speakers sounds like an overdub, but it's still two tracks. If I want sixteen layers of recorded audio playing at the same time, do I have to pre-define sixteen Tapedecks? I loved Legos, but I remember it was hard to make something that wasn't Lego-component shaped. Like, curves. TravisH On 11/9/05, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > > > > > You can configure Reaktor to do pretty much anything, it's like audio > LEGOs. > > Overdub would be no problem. You have to build this stuff yourself out of > the modules, but almost anything is possible. > > I haven't tried it, but I think I can do overdub even on that very basic > looper > I posted, just by settings the buttons like this: > > 1. Record on Tapedeck 1 > 2. Play back Tapedeck 1 while recording on Tapedeck 2. > 3. Play back Tapedecks 1 and 2. Solo over the top. > 4. Stop playing Tapedeck 2 but leave Tapedeck 1 playing (like Undo). > > This basic looper I built only has 3 loop capacity, but you > could expand that to any number by adding more Tapedecks and rows > to the sequencer. > > Also, if you didn't like the sequencer idea that I have here, > you could rebuild it like an Echoplex where there are multiple > pedals controlling multiple functions. I did it with a sequencer > because I wanted to have three or four things happening at once > and to have the prerecorded drum loops and hits all synchronized. > > Maybe you haven't used Reaktor, it is the most powerful sound generation > program I've ever seen other than Kyma and maybe Max/MSP. > > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net > > > > ------=_Part_42850_987769.1131572538311 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline What you've described doesn't sound like overdubbing, but rather the creation of simultaneous synchronized loops, each with one layer of audio data.  What comes out of the speakers sounds like an overdub, but it's still two tracks.  If I want sixteen layers of recorded audio playing at the same time, do I have to pre-define sixteen Tapedecks?

    I loved Legos, but I remember it was hard to make something that wasn't Leg= o-component shaped.  Like, curves.

    TravisH

    On 11/9/05, mwsmart@insightbb.c= om <mwsmart@insightbb.c= om > wrote:



    You can configure Reaktor to do pretty much anything, it's lik= e audio LEGOs.

    Overdub would be no problem. You have to build this stuff yourself = out of
    the modules, but almost anything is possible.

    I haven't tr= ied it, but I think I can do overdub even on that very basic looper
    I posted, just by settings the buttons like this:

    1. Record on Taped= eck 1
    2. Play back Tapedeck 1 while recording on Tapedeck 2.
    3. Play = back Tapedecks 1 and 2. Solo over the top.
    4. Stop playing Tapedeck 2 bu= t leave Tapedeck 1 playing (like Undo).

    This basic looper I built only has 3 loop capacity, but you
    coul= d expand that to any number by adding more Tapedecks and rows
    to the seq= uencer.

    Also, if you didn't like the sequencer idea that I have here= ,
    you could rebuild it like an Echoplex where there are multiple
    pedal= s controlling multiple functions. I did it with a sequencer
    because I wa= nted to have three or four things happening at once
    and to have the prer= ecorded drum loops and hits all synchronized.

    Maybe you haven't used Reaktor, it is the most powerful sound gener= ation
    program I've ever seen other than Kyma and maybe Max/MSP.


    ------=_Part_42850_987769.1131572538311-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 21:59:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF47B3BF19; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 21:59:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reaktor Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 21:59:11 +0000 Message-Id: <110920052159.22899.4372712F0008962F0000597321979128029B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 21 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_22899_1131573551_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 21:59:17 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_22899_1131573551_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit If you want to have undo capability, then they have to be recorded on separate decks (this is what's happening inside the Echoplex, of course). But rearranging it so that one Tapedeck's playback gets mixed with the input and recorded into a different Tapedeck would be trivial. You could probably set it up so that it ping-pongs between: Mix the input with Tapedeck 1's playback and record this into Tapedeck 2. and Mix the input with Tapedeck 2's playback and record this into Tapedeck 1. Then you could overdub all you want. I haven't used the Audio Table module much and it has a lot of features. One of them might be to mix incoming data with what's there, not sure. I'm at work so I don't have access to the Reaktor or Echoplex manuals. Mark Smart --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_22899_1131573551_0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reaktor Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 21:42:25 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_22899_1131573551_1" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_22899_1131573551_1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline What you've described doesn't sound like overdubbing, but rather the creation of simultaneous synchronized loops, each with one layer of audio data. What comes out of the speakers sounds like an overdub, but it's still two tracks. If I want sixteen layers of recorded audio playing at the same time, do I have to pre-define sixteen Tapedecks? I loved Legos, but I remember it was hard to make something that wasn't Lego-component shaped. Like, curves. TravisH On 11/9/05, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > > > > > You can configure Reaktor to do pretty much anything, it's like audio > LEGOs. > > Overdub would be no problem. You have to build this stuff yourself out of > the modules, but almost anything is possible. > > I haven't tried it, but I think I can do overdub even on that very basic > looper > I posted, just by settings the buttons like this: > > 1. Record on Tapedeck 1 > 2. Play back Tapedeck 1 while recording on Tapedeck 2. > 3. Play back Tapedecks 1 and 2. Solo over the top. > 4. Stop playing Tapedeck 2 but leave Tapedeck 1 playing (like Undo). > > This basic looper I built only has 3 loop capacity, but you > could expand that to any number by adding more Tapedecks and rows > to the sequencer. > > Also, if you didn't like the sequencer idea that I have here, > you could rebuild it like an Echoplex where there are multiple > pedals controlling multiple functions. I did it with a sequencer > because I wanted to have three or four things happening at once > and to have the prerecorded drum loops and hits all synchronized. > > Maybe you haven't used Reaktor, it is the most powerful sound generation > program I've ever seen other than Kyma and maybe Max/MSP. > > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net > > > > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_22899_1131573551_1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline What you've described doesn't sound like overdubbing, but rather the creation of simultaneous synchronized loops, each with one layer of audio data.  What comes out of the speakers sounds like an overdub, but it's still two tracks.  If I want sixteen layers of recorded audio playing at the same time, do I have to pre-define sixteen Tapedecks?

    I loved Legos, but I remember it was hard to make something that wasn't Leg= o-component shaped.  Like, curves.

    TravisH

    On 11/9/05, mwsmart@insightbb.c= om <mwsmart@insightbb.c= om > wrote:



    You can configure Reaktor to do pretty much anything, it's lik= e audio LEGOs.

    Overdub would be no problem. You have to build this stuff yourself = out of
    the modules, but almost anything is possible.

    I haven't tr= ied it, but I think I can do overdub even on that very basic looper
    I posted, just by settings the buttons like this:

    1. Record on Taped= eck 1
    2. Play back Tapedeck 1 while recording on Tapedeck 2.
    3. Play = back Tapedecks 1 and 2. Solo over the top.
    4. Stop playing Tapedeck 2 bu= t leave Tapedeck 1 playing (like Undo).

    This basic looper I built only has 3 loop capacity, but you
    coul= d expand that to any number by adding more Tapedecks and rows
    to the seq= uencer.

    Also, if you didn't like the sequencer idea that I have here= ,
    you could rebuild it like an Echoplex where there are multiple
    pedal= s controlling multiple functions. I did it with a sequencer
    because I wa= nted to have three or four things happening at once
    and to have the prer= ecorded drum loops and hits all synchronized.

    Maybe you haven't used Reaktor, it is the most powerful sound gener= ation
    program I've ever seen other than Kyma and maybe Max/MSP.


    --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_22899_1131573551_1-- --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_22899_1131573551_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 22:26:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8680C3BEF3; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:26:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 17:26:23 -0500 From: Dan Ash Subject: RE: Synchronizing Real Time Drumming with a Prerecorded Loop was Re: query 'real time live looping' To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4372778F.1010802@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:26:36 +0000 (UTC) >> Ploytec 34One >>Yes, I bought one of these and they work well--but I'm not using mine, and would be willing to sell it. Gary Thanks, Gary. My drummer friend claims the DrumKat can accept tap tempo input and send midi clock to downstream devices. We'll try this and then see if it makes for a good performance including tempo changes. I can see a few trainwrecks ahead if we cross our signals... For my solo set-up, I can send tap tempo messages directly to the Repeater in 'User' mode from the FCB1010. Alternatively, I can manage MIDI clock in 'MIDI' mode from a little Boss DR-660 drum machine - the latter works pretty good for locking the Repeater to Fantom XR rhythm patterns (drum loops). Haven't figured out how to slave the Axon arpeggiator to the DR-660 clock at the same time..... Onward and upward! Dan Ash White Plains, NY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 23:03:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D277E3BEF3; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 23:03:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 17:03:43 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Reaktor In-reply-to: <110920052159.22899.4372712F0008962F0000597321979128029B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4372804F.8020005@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <110920052159.22899.4372712F0008962F0000597321979128029B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9kHli.A.SYG.VBocDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 23:03:49 +0000 (UTC) mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > If you want to have undo capability, then they have to be recorded on separate > decks (this is what's happening inside the Echoplex, of course). No not really. The Echoplex is more like one "deck" with a really long piece of tape and a feedback loop that allows you to copy things that have already been played and merge them with what is being recorded. Undo is just "rewinding" the tape. > But rearranging it so that one Tapedeck's playback gets mixed with the input > and recorded into a different Tapedeck would be trivial. You could probably > set it up so that it ping-pongs between: That's closer but you don't get "undo to zero". You could only undo back one loop if you were ping-ponging between two decks. With the Echoplex (subject to memory restrictions and certain functions) you can create any number of overdubs, then stop and use Long Undo or Loop Windowing to seamlessly step back in time until you've returned to the very first loop you recorded. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 9 23:39:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4707D3BEF1; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 23:39:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reaktor Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 23:39:34 +0000 Message-Id: <110920052339.8340.437288B600087E620000209421979133299B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 21 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 23:39:38 +0000 (UTC) > mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > No not really. The Echoplex is more like one "deck" with a really long > piece of tape and a feedback loop that allows you to copy things that > have already been played and merge them with what is being recorded. > Undo is just "rewinding" the tape. Hmm. Okay, I never know it worked like that but I see what you mean. I'm pretty sure that could be done in Reaktor with the Audio Table module if you store the memory locations somehow and then use them to re-locate the playback pointer. > That's closer but you don't get "undo to zero". You could only undo > back one loop if you were ping-ponging between two decks. With the Echoplex > (subject to memory restrictions and certain functions) you can create any number > of overdubs, then stop and use Long Undo or Loop Windowing to seamlessly step > back in time until you've returned to the very first loop you recorded. > > Jeff Ok, I should try this out with the Audio Table. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 10 02:12:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3AE33BEDD; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 02:12:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,310,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="432699628:sNHT16615308" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <43725BE1.9020902@pdq.net> References: <43725BE1.9020902@pdq.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7C80715F-6900-422F-9DEB-D265FB80218E@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Reaktor FX pdf Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 18:12:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 02:12:27 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Doug Tried to register, but have stalled on the activation step: I got an =20 email with a =93mime-attachment=94 that I can=92t do anything with (Mac =20= 10.4); assume that if I could access it, it=92d help me activate...? But is this Reaktor-centric file really useful at the loopers site? =20 There=92s only one looping example in 40 pages Of Reaktor how-to=92s... =20= and that=92s only about a long delay line that can be set to 100% =20 feedback. dc On Nov 9, 2005, at 12:28 PM, Doug Cox wrote: > It might be good to post this to the Looper's Delight file section: > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/ > > Dig > > David Coffin wrote: > > >> Here=92s that link again (seems to have some trouble opening in =20 >> Safari=92s built-in pdf reader; let me know if you have problems): >> >> http://snipurl.com/jp6j-FUURN >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 10 06:20:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 023253BEE1; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 06:20:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ATj3piOOxINl+dyYvjU5AlBePPQVxvMeceuCqmapxDl8tyd8WpntKvyN0atmrwsARpPeEHCgdwdC3DH8QKwfO+rG9tBjdyIEY0BJeNQdPL02T8Cbh6tk9PFOgFLaZsyvZYkz0RIAnU/l7a8jDUEe7YvWBxymC0q6yNuBOF7X0vg= ; Message-ID: <20051110062022.78775.qmail@web34212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 22:20:21 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Email configuring To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051109215918.4744F3BF1D@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <3rksGD.A.P7C.naucDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 06:20:23 +0000 (UTC) Here I go giving advice to someone for how to set up their email account and I can't even send a message without quoting the whole friggin digest... Apologies to everyone, though I have to say that I deserved it... Stephen > Thanks very much Stephen. Never had any problems with e-mail till I started > paying for a 'real' account w/Ma Bell. Really appreciate your help! > > david __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 10 11:15:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E11F93BECC; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:15:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43732C83.9020503@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 06:18:27 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AIMusic Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List Subject: isten to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and the AM/FM Show Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:15:58 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ================================================================================ Tonight on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Lambert, who is a German synthesist in the retro Berlin School style. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Mirror of Motions" on Spheric Music. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Pandemonium: Ville Ouverte" by Jean Baptiste Barriere on Atem Records and released in 1975. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#nov Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and on the internet.L THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ================================================================================ My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be this Saturday, November 12 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 10 11:36:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC3253BED3; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:36:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bXKNFK+4csVJPCzk15eDaxJrwjkWHcEuTBSE4n92Tvl+lFffqgypEb6bq4nhQ3Mi8LYdIwQEd6i0AAxrSDzqWRkgIH9UdfXRPYq2ys2TnSLEsJfVFO9tKbzpisoDvN4Zl3RIWpWoj3aZZLoe/yEFWFt7DF1tqB4zm2FW6dYNjyw= Message-ID: <146cdfa70511100336p4b949880t@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:36:39 +0100 From: Marco Ronci To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reaktor In-Reply-To: <1DB86DA9-CA78-4A60-BD64-369CF667BE65@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000b01c5e55b$24942380$e965dd0c@insightbb.com> <001501c5e55b$98baf0e0$e965dd0c@insightbb.com> <1DB86DA9-CA78-4A60-BD64-369CF667BE65@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:36:41 +0000 (UTC) David, I would love to read that PDF too. Marco 2005/11/9, David Coffin : > Don't think non-owners can browse the Reaktor user-library, but if anyone > here would like to peruse a 40-page pdf file I created outlining how folk= s > with no code/DSP experience could use Reaktor to build extraordinary FX, > just let me know and I'll post a downloadable copy. It gives a pretty goo= d > sense of how flexible and deep Reaktor is as a DIY realtime FX device, I > think. > dc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 10 11:40:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00BF03BEE0; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:40:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000f01c5e5ec$7e8f72e0$6845fea9@w5f0n1> Reply-To: "rc_firth" From: "rc_firth" To: Subject: Boss RC-50 approx price Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:47:11 -0000 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:40:42 +0000 (UTC) Hi everyone, been lurking here for a while now. I've been following the Boss RC-50 thread closely and trying to dig up more info on this thing Found a reference to an approximate price here (50,000 Yen): http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://pcweb.mycom.co.jp /articles/2005/11/08/inst1/&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dboss%2Brc-50%26hl%3Den%26lr%3 D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DG Obviously shipping and import taxes will up the final figure, but if it's anywhere close to the quoted price then it will be a good deal. Ralph From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 10 11:47:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14C623BEE2; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:47:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <81F090BFEFBAEE4F8586C7113550C3D5B84DC4@earth.uces.edu.ar> From: Ariel Rzezak To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: Boss Lexicon-Digitech Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:53:03 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:47:55 +0000 (UTC) Hi you all, Do anyone now if in the RC-20 i can record different loops and change settings for each layer and not alltogether as in the Line6 DL4? Maybe in the new Jamman? It's what an Echoplex does.. but it's virtually impossible to get one of those here!!! Thanks!! Regards, Ariel Rzezak Buenos Aires, Argentina From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 10 16:03:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 229F33BED2; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:03:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:00:39 -0800 (PST) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: analogue@hyperreal.org Subject: CR8000 is sold In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:03:46 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for all the interest. Wish I had a dozen broken cha-cha boxes :) -- ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 10 16:15:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB3063BEDE; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:15:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PmTBN04iZu0y2csV+bZlX1Tvq2iNz2uQhskmUVTp1WBkoT/MqhKNSj93MiHwd29OXFKveRhjvoz0ZAKNsyZwpawy2iYme9CvCe6ti7ZzmE+QCX8vNEG1Ya/eFZGuTBcKfru9PycwnL43uV6TsdUjYRi9GmXs50Ve9issKI3o05E= Message-ID: <64b81a780511100815q615d906dyc69c08b48913e8d9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 11:15:08 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CFC's for Repeater In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051109190132.99749.qmail@web34208.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_OSSND.A._BB.NI3cDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:15:09 +0000 (UTC) I'll also put a plug in for GMail (). Their conversation views make reading the list beautifully simple combined with large storage space and brilliant Google search through stored emails means I never have to throw any list messages away and I can find info on any topic with a quick search. (Heh...I wish I could have the archive emailed to me so I'd have access to the whole shebang this way.) If anyone wants to try it out and would like an invite I've got a hundred to spare. Though I'm not sure you even need invites any more. Todd On 11/9/05, David Rolling wrote: > Thanks very much Stephen. Never had any problems with e-mail till I start= ed > paying for a 'real' account w/Ma Bell. Really appreciate your help! > > david > > > >From: S V G > >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Re:CFC's for Repeater > >Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 11:01:31 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > David, > > > > Check out the archives at the RepeaterUsers Yahoo group for all th= e > >findings on CFC > >compatibility. > > > > Secondly, you do not have your email client configured properly to > >send/recieve mail from > >this list. I would suggest contacting your ISP. Better yet, just get a > >Yahoo email account and > >subscribe to this list through it. > > > > Stephen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 10 16:45:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2F983BED2; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:45:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [132.185.240.121] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <014901c5e50b$db778010$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: MOD FX blowouts Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:45:29 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2005 16:45:30.0134 (UTC) FILETIME=[28FE2360:01C5E616] Resent-Message-ID: <1Kl4V.A.YsB.rk3cDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 16:45:31 +0000 (UTC) >From: "loop.pool" >I just discovered that they have reduced the last batch of >Alesis mod FX to the absurd price of $25 at Musicians Friend. damn - just too late to jump on this bandwagon, it seems... i really want a PHILTRE, but i can't find one anywhere (i did actually find on in the US for $49, but they wanted $120 to post it to the UK!!!) if anybody has a philtre they wanna get rid of, or finds a cheap one in the UK or Europe - please let me know! you can email me at simeonATsimeonharrisDOTco.uk ta! sim www.simeonharris.co.uk From EllenMarx@a1soccer.com Thu Nov 10 19:34:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from BSN-77-199-211.dial-up.dsl.siol.net (BSN-77-199-211.dial-up.dsl.siol.net [193.77.199.211]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D0F593BEB6; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:34:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from htO@localhost by kqb.int (8.11.6/8.11.6); Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:28:44 -0600 Message-ID: <3HTEoXBfGfntJGizewAnEX@babecurse.com> From: "Norah Hodges" Reply-To: "Norah Hodges" To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Thousands of academic software titles, 80% off, Instant Download Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:31:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.2730.2 X-Sender: EllenMarx@a1soccer.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--uRBjCk4nAyt13Xvo" yg85 ----uRBjCk4nAyt13Xvo Content-Type: text/html; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 4
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    ----uRBjCk4nAyt13Xvo-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 10 21:18:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 010973BECC; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:18:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=orp1y+Ch8gGdQp4NIwfIixk2suaMcpOrZ6hStkyQ+0p4ljBZH6seUc2PBLt4+00QapJnxdp6848588cfFGhSzTjV4BJ8TvuBSO+esrP6vCr74mJ7IlvRcTWkXptrVHBpQnrXF8UW3ykEPL4xEKu0Lh/8bwNMjsh87dSGHkT5j+k= ; Message-ID: <20051110211828.95310.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 13:18:28 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Reaktor To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:18:29 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, you should have seen my US.S Enterprise lego versions back in the day. It wasn't until Lego made a gear set that things got better. Stop looking at Scotty and fire phasers Mr. Sulu! --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > I loved Legos, but I remember it was hard to make > something that wasn't > Lego-component shaped. Like, curves. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 10 22:02:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2A7F3BED2; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:02:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <21d.2630a5f.30a51d8e@aol.com> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:02:54 EST Subject: still clean since zurick To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_21d.2630a5f.30a51d8e_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:02:57 +0000 (UTC) --part1_21d.2630a5f.30a51d8e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yikes.....all this gear talk, reaktor, mod fxs, cr8000s.....does it ever end?.....:)....i added my cz5000 into the "aux in" of my rang, the carvin goes into the main input this then goes to my mackie 1202 and scoots through my Q2 for some verb, did try some of the tap tempo presets but found them to be a bit too forced.....it becomes more and more interesting to not have knobs to twist nor pedals to push.....i'm really finding out what sound my guitar has rather than mad-cap ineko/btrman freak outs.....i keep telling myself that this is good to be clean, my "playing" is improving and my sense of "composition" is getting better.....sure!.....i don't know how much longer i can hold out with all my little friends hangin out around me!.....and another strange thing is happing, i no longer want to record my music.....i can hear a big sigh of relief out there in looplandia!.....i don't know what's up with that.....:)m n.p. ECHOPLEX SOLOS (ANDRE LaFOSS) --part1_21d.2630a5f.30a51d8e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yikes.....all this gear talk, reaktor,=20= mod fxs, cr8000s.....does it ever end?.....:)....i added my cz5000 into the=20= "aux in" of my rang, the carvin goes into the main input this then goes to m= y mackie 1202 and scoots through my Q2 for some verb, did try some of the ta= p tempo presets but found them to be a bit too forced.....it becomes more an= d more interesting to not have knobs to twist nor pedals to push.....i'm rea= lly finding out what sound my guitar has rather than mad-cap ineko/btrman fr= eak outs.....i keep telling myself that this is good to be clean, my "playin= g" is improving and my sense of "composition" is getting better.....sure!...= ..i don't know how much longer i can hold out with all my little friends han= gin out around me!.....and another strange thing is happing, i no longer wan= t to record my music.....i can hear a big sigh of relief out there in loopla= ndia!.....i don't know what's up with that.....:)m
    n.p. ECHOPLEX SOLOS (ANDRE LaFOSS)     --part1_21d.2630a5f.30a51d8e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 10 22:27:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 123723BEDA; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:27:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=DSmVDhVetq7eFEn1vEByXFyZvocdl6M28sc0JpcoVHArfHJ6ilWvSm00TR5HeStNGn9TcYZGEV+OdxS7sJsew6KTWlLf13QRP5/Wf8I2iQDwqTRrjw4rq2l7RGnn1TCg+ig4nXagS3DauP6pn0NvY3RnG0PlgoMXT8zm50uj0hI= ; Message-ID: <20051110222703.76410.qmail@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 14:27:03 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Boss RC-50 approx price To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000f01c5e5ec$7e8f72e0$6845fea9@w5f0n1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:27:05 +0000 (UTC) --- rc_firth wrote: > (50,000 Yen) When I lived in Tohoku prefecture in the 80's, that would have been about $400. I think. (I just remember ALL the used guitars in the pawnshops seemed to be 10,000 yen (about 80 bucks), regardless of make, model or condition...) Maybe $425 or so now, pre-import? That'd be tempting! -t- __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 11 02:21:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52FC03BEB6; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 02:21:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=gORiZZ0gbfKjLabxzDoH6a9pkjDM4BU+jOO0niYd1G87M13WWFSnmrY6GOIHA8IX; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22005115112251380@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: VF-1 controller question Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:25:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940e3202945b7871f5176b3e53e577d3c0a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.136 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 02:21:16 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hey Gang: I was wondering if youse guys could help me with a VF-1 question. I am almost done buying all the fabulous little extras needed to become Rackmount Man after 25 years of stompboxes.... the rack itself, all the TRS cables, SPDIF cable, MIDI controller, MIDI cable, yada yada yada, and finally getting the feel for the owner's manuals. One thing confuses me, though: On page 13, under item 12 (EXP PEDAL/CTL 1,2), it sez "either an expression pedal or a foot switch can be connected here, and used to step up/downthrough patch numbers." I am guessing that my Peavey 2-button TRS footswitch should work fine if I configure the box to accept latching versus momentary. I want to be able to switch the unit on and off without using my MIDI Buddy, and the manual shows me how (I think), but as far as scrolling through the presets a la Vortex, well, pg 13 is the only place that makes any mention of that. (Yes, I know changing the patches is what the MIDI Buddy is for, and I shouldn't be such a MIDIOT, but I want the option to leave the MIDI controller home in the interest of saving space and weight.) Ideally, I'd control the Vortex and MPX-500 with my gen-yoo-wine Lexicon TRS footswitches, and run the VF-1 with either the simple footswitch or the MIDI buddy. Anyway, does anyone have any wisdom they'd like to impart to Timmy Technophobe? I'd be very grateful. Yours in Herbert Eimert, Tim "Un-Stableboy" Mungenast www.mungenast.com www.myspace.com/timmungenast Timothy Mungenast mungenast@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

    Hey Gang:
     
    I was wondering if youse guys could help me with a VF-1 question. I am almost done buying all the fabulous little extras needed to become Rackmount Man after 25 years of stompboxes.... the rack itself, all the TRS cables, SPDIF cable, MIDI controller, MIDI cable, yada yada yada, and finally getting the feel for the owner's manuals. One thing confuses me, though:
    On page 13, under item 12 (EXP PEDAL/CTL 1,2), it sez "either an expression pedal or a foot switch can be connected here, and used to step up/downthrough patch numbers." I am guessing that my Peavey 2-button TRS footswitch should work fine if I configure the box to accept latching versus momentary. 
     
    I want to be able to switch the unit on and off without using my MIDI Buddy, and the manual shows me how (I think), but as far as scrolling through the presets a la Vortex, well, pg 13 is the only place that makes any mention of that.
     
    (Yes, I know changing the patches is what the MIDI Buddy is for, and I shouldn't be such a MIDIOT, but I want the option to leave the MIDI controller home in the interest of saving space and weight.)
     
    Ideally, I'd control the Vortex and MPX-500 with my gen-yoo-wine Lexicon TRS footswitches, and  run the VF-1 with either the simple footswitch or the MIDI buddy.
     
    Anyway, does anyone have any wisdom they'd like to impart to Timmy Technophobe? I'd be very grateful.
     
    Yours in Herbert Eimert,
    Tim "Un-Stableboy" Mungenast
     
     
     
     
    Timothy Mungenast
    Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
     

    ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 11 03:04:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BD0C3BEC5; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 03:04:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20051109192515.XDJQ4169.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20051109192515.XDJQ4169.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-17-899723158 Message-Id: <66839A84-C146-4534-BA3A-69BDE6540DA6@bartholomusic.com> From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: Synchronizing Real Time Drumming with a Prerecorded Loop was Re: query 'real time live looping' Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:04:22 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 4.384 (HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_OBFUSCATE_05_10,RCVD_IN_XBL) X-Spam-Level: !!!! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 03:04:49 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-17-899723158 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed what would u be willing to sell it at? ___ Adrian Bartholomew 8439 Lee Blvd Leawood, KS 66206 (913) 660-6918 On Nov 9, 2005, at 1:25 PM, Gary Lehmann wrote: > Yes, I bought one of these and they work well--but I'm not using > mine, and > would be willing to sell it. > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 10:32 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Synchronizing Real Time Drumming with a Prerecorded > Loop was > Re: query 'real time live looping' > > I haven't tried one of these, but it might be what you're looking for: > > http://www.ploytec.com/34one/ > > Seems like your drummer could either stomp or hit it occasionally to > establish tempo (and update the tempo). Good luck with your work. > > Dig > > Dan Ash wrote: > >> >>>> both sides of the problem..........being the looper or responding >> to a loop that I can't control myself, live. >> >> What about synching my looper to a tap-tempo controller that the >> drummer manages? >> >> I have been trying to configure a looping environment for myself and >> an electronic percussionist who uses a VST sampler/loop playback >> virtual instrument hosted by his recording software. I have been >> taking a sync signal out from the computer with some success, and my >> Repeater loops stay in sync with his drum loops. However I'm looking >> for a solution that will allow us to take it outside the studio. >> >> Syncing to the computer doesn't allow for tempo changes on the >> fly, so >> I figured the logical extension would be to remove the computer and >> substitute some sort of tap-tempo device. It seems like I should be >> able to let the drummer control the looper tempo (assuming they can >> play to the tempo they establish themselves). Anyone tried this in >> practice? What would be a good tap-tempo device so the drummer could >> provide the MIDI sync output? >> >> A secondary consideration - I'd like to avoid using headphones... >> >> Thanks, >> Dan Ash >> White Plains, NY >> >> >> >> > > > --Apple-Mail-17-899723158 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 what would u be willing to sell = it at?
    ___
    Adrian=A0Bartholomew
    8439 Lee Blvd
    Leawood, KS = 66206
    (913) 660-6918

     =

    On Nov 9, 2005, at 1:25 PM, Gary Lehmann = wrote:

    Yes, I bought one of these and = they work well--but I'm not using mine, and
    would = be willing to sell it.
    Gary

    From: Doug = Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net]=A0
    Sent: = Wednesday, November 09, 2005 10:32 AM
    Subject: Re: Synchronizing Real = Time Drumming with a Prerecorded Loop was
    Re: = query 'real time live looping'

    I haven't tried one of these, = but it might be what you're looking for:

    http://www.ploytec.com/34one/

    Seems like your drummer could either stomp or hit it = occasionally to=A0
    establish tempo (and update the tempo).=A0 Good luck with your = work.

    Dig

    Dan Ash wrote:


    =
    both sides of the problem..........being the looper = or responding=A0
    =
    to=A0 a loop that I can't control = myself, live.

    What about synching my looper to a tap-tempo = controller that the=A0
    drummer = manages?

    I have been trying to configure a looping = environment for myself and=A0
    an = electronic percussionist who uses a VST sampler/loop playback=A0
    virtual = instrument hosted by his recording software.=A0 I have been=A0
    taking a = sync signal out from the computer with some success, and my=A0
    Repeater = loops stay in sync with his drum loops.=A0 However I'm looking=A0
    for a = solution that will allow us to take it outside the studio.

    Syncing = to the computer doesn't allow for tempo changes on the fly, so=A0
    I = figured the logical extension would be to remove the computer and=A0
    =A0 It seems like I should = be=A0
    able to let the drummer control the looper tempo = (assuming they can=A0
    play to the tempo they establish themselves).=A0 Anyone tried this in=A0
    =A0 What would = be a good tap-tempo device so the drummer could=A0
    provide = the MIDI sync output?
    A secondary consideration - I'd = like to avoid using headphones...

    Thanks,
    Dan Ash
    White Plains, = NY







    =

    = --Apple-Mail-17-899723158-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 11 03:22:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89F273BED0; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 03:22:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: 34 One tap tempo pedal (was RE: Synchronizing Real Time Drumming with a Prerecorded Loop was Re: query 'real time live looping') Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 19:22:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <66839A84-C146-4534-BA3A-69BDE6540DA6@bartholomusic.com> Thread-Index: AcXmbI3PxDnvQfirQ5Gsd7rrxpPzMAAAjfjQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Message-Id: <20051111032144.GINC776.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 03:22:42 +0000 (UTC) I have this unit: http://www.ploytec.com/34one/ But can't find it! And since we are closing escrow on Wednesday next (fingers crossed) I don't know when I can find it. So my apologies to the list--I guess this is my way of finding out I have too much stuff! Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 11 05:41:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F1E03BEB6; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 05:41:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,116,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="161401458:sNHT25326186" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emilet@pop.rcn.com Message-Id: Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 00:24:37 -0500 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance -- Immersions w Glynnis Loman, cello-- Hyde Park, MA 11.19.05 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 05:41:17 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, The Immersions will feature the fire-breathing cello of Glynnis (dragonwoman) Loman, along with the usual suspects, Dean Stiglitz on flute that doesn't like one, Ramona Herboldsheimer (exquisite hammered dulcimer textures), and myself, on video that sure as %^&* doesn't look like TV. "Immersions" is a monthly intermedia improvisation series built around the core of Doctor T (Video), Dean Stiglitz (ElectroFlute and Electronics) and Ramona Herboldsheimer (Hammered Dulcimer and Other Things) with guest musicians and sometimes dancers or other visual artists. Immersions will happen on the third Saturday of the month, at Artists at Large, which is at the First Congregational Church, 6 Webster Street at the intersection of Webster and River in Hyde Park. Phone 617-276-3223. Directions http://artistsatlargeinc.org/directions.html -- "Once the search is in progress, something will be found" -- Brian Eno and Peter Schmidt Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 11 16:23:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5BBD3BECC; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:23:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <936cdc4873ebc8959d275a25ed4e7f68@suitandtieguy.com> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051017013533.01f0a048@mail.wightman.ca> <018001c5d32a$be8bfe60$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20051025102201.01fac1c8@mail.wightman.ca> <00a901c5d9b8$03189640$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0068c4d741909ac9c6de25a4bfd3ce42@suitandtieguy.com> <00d901c5d9cd$ea8ed740$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20051025203451.046ffc80@loopers-delight.com> <936cdc4873ebc8959d275a25ed4e7f68@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <183839E0-C0B9-4776-BC7F-AEFD64B6B660@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: EDP loosing MIDI Clock sync - Question. Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:23:23 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:23:27 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I've never noticed any sync flaws with my own EDP, but a friend with Loop4 reported to me that his EDP looses MIDI clock sync each time he goes Next Loop. He is running an AKAI MPC1000 as the MIDI clock master and the EDP is set to Timing/Sync= IN. He says it was working perfectly in Loop3. Any comments? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 11 17:33:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BCDD3BEB3; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:33:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4374D687.3090803@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:36:07 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Galactic Travels Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup , WDIY Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #451 for November 10, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:33:35 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/051110.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #451 November 10, 2005 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Lambert. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Mirror of Motions" on Spheric Music. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Pandemonium: Ville Ouverte" by Jean-Baptiste Barriere on Atem Records and released in 1975. Lambert - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#nov PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Jean-Baptiste Barriere Dechirure Pandemonium: Ville Ouverte (Atem) Brendan Pollard Tegula Expansion (Acoustic Wave) Bruno San Filippo Giant Patagon Anthology: Essence 91 04 (Neuronium) Fear Falls Burning Disk 1 Track 5 * he spoke in dead tongues (Ikon/ Projekt) Windy and Carl I Have Been Waiting To The Dream House (Kranky) Hear Your Voice 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Lambert Into Life Mirror of Motions (Spheric) Lambert Dreaming Mirror of Motions (Spheric) Lambert Successive Pictures Mirror of Motions (Spheric) Lambert Airing Mirror of Motions (Spheric) Lambert Farewell Mirror of Motions (Spheric) Lambert Drifting Away Mirror of Motions (Spheric) Lambert Soaring Flight Mirror of Motions (Spheric) Lambert Energetic Mirror of Motions (Spheric) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on Lambert. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Essential" on Spheric Music. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "The Four Seasons" by Patrick Gleeson on Varese Sarabande Records and released in 1982. Bill =============================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-5:00 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Service Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 11 20:41:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 869E63BEC2; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 20:41:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0yzTPUXoTC7kQYkMEB52KXeMh5uIv8SWxnazHLTtZtyrSxHmO/YpQ6HLQc+PzDP20RpTGMlg+8stzLsNm3uFWTYLR20gBNS9fY8xKHUcjwv6Na9fVuJQodB42sJizgmDOwDkoqrf0vxrkCd292V9FoluVFKH0Xu+XLKY5U7II60= ; Message-ID: <20051111204126.72042.qmail@web30509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:41:26 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: --shameless plug: free music-- To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20051109065225.01be0f58@pop.nycap.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 20:41:28 +0000 (UTC) --- p koniuto wrote: > You can download for free my new release, Past > Andromeda, from here: > >http://www.stasisfield.com/releases/year04/sf-4007.html I downloaded Peter's album last week (it was the one I referred to in the 'slow modem' thread), and I highly recommend it to all o' yous. Peter demonstrates how one can be influenced by Eno without being a cloned one of the domed one. -t- __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 11 22:39:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 845793BEC5; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:39:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FyIosFdOMuAp8aH58/OA2Ijsos1NL5GdoNEwlfnl06RwEuM5v4O85u16bMv6T6g6T+0CiXgfdz+IL8drRfJeTmGJx2sVvLIznxL37Xlx8v2HqjylY+4zxahrUEnWvUXM/7VLy18PaxEBSRz2GRuVxONxnluBXbVoxMsGx3OPHw8= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:39:22 -0600 From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: --shameless plug: free music-- In-Reply-To: <20051111204126.72042.qmail@web30509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <6.0.1.1.0.20051109065225.01be0f58@pop.nycap.rr.com> <20051111204126.72042.qmail@web30509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:39:24 +0000 (UTC) I'd like to think there are others of us who are not "Domed One Clones" who are influenced by him... 8-} Dennis Moser http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/audio On 11/11/05, Tim Nelson wrote: > > > --- p koniuto wrote: > > You can download for free my new release, Past > > Andromeda, from here: > > > >http://www.stasisfield.com/releases/year04/sf-4007.html > > I downloaded Peter's album last week (it was the one I > referred to in the 'slow modem' thread), and I highly > recommend it to all o' yous. > > Peter demonstrates how one can be influenced by Eno > without being a cloned one of the domed one. > > -t- > > > > > __________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 11 23:13:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69C563BEC2; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 23:13:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:13:20 EST Subject: Re: Eno gear To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <-VNTsB.A.z4B.YWSdDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 23:13:29 +0000 (UTC) In case yoou missed it: http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2005/11/brian-eno-is-selling-lots-of-gear.html regards BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/cr25j From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 11 23:31:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D46873BEB6; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 23:31:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.99,120,1131339600"; d="scan'208"; a="161961511:sNHT19245616" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20051111152944.01176870@.> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:31:48 -0800 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: my dreams come true Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 23:31:48 +0000 (UTC) Finally, the digital modeling cowbell: http://www.radmonkeycowbells.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 11 23:48:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D211F3BEC2; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 23:48:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43752DEB.90604@biink.com> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 18:48:59 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: my dreams come true References: <5.2.1.1.0.20051111152944.01176870@.> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20051111152944.01176870@.> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5M0AKD.A.FjC.g3SdDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 23:48:48 +0000 (UTC) Sean Echevarria wrote: > Finally, the digital modeling cowbell: > http://www.radmonkeycowbells.com/ > > needs more cowbell. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 01:47:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1010C3BEC1; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 01:47:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Ruj5tnVHtuTHRqm2/OcYBnnRiuwZ/Ne4h0rx90jNw1SI9M1teSZeNRvnfItZklDZ5Raf+NADDA8t58IvIj3ms5SWmLrC/Z7YKggp9FBlHI2JZ88N4+nfQUrIqSAoUehctWz7iS8g2zksV3zuY6Kqoor7n3DIvulZ1WAk4EUDOkc= ; Message-ID: <20051112014721.10510.qmail@web35101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:47:21 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Subject: Pat Metheny is a Looper! (Well, not really) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-596003610-1131760041=:36867" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 01:47:23 +0000 (UTC) --0-596003610-1131760041=:36867 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi: Actually, I saw Pat Metheny last evening and during one song, he played a very unusual guitar which is (from his website) a 42-string pikasso guitar built by Linda Manzer. It has two necks - one appears to be a 12 string and the other a 6 string (although it may be a baritone) and there are two separate configurations with x strings (couldn't count them accurately). He kept up a variety of background "patterns" going on the two string configs and played the two necks. The similarity of looping with a standard looping device and what he was doing really struck me. I'd like to see him use something like an Gibson Echoplex live. It would probably be amazing. He certainly was last evening. That guy can cook! Regards, Paul --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --0-596003610-1131760041=:36867 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    Hi:
     
    Actually, I saw Pat Metheny last evening and during one song, he played a very unusual guitar which is (from his website) a 42-string pikasso guitar built by Linda Manzer. It has two necks - one appears to be a 12 string and the other a 6 string (although it may be a baritone) and there are two separate configurations with x strings (couldn't count them accurately).
     
    He kept up a variety of background "patterns" going on the two string configs and played the two necks. The similarity of looping with a standard looping device and what he was doing really struck me. I'd like to see him use something like an Gibson Echoplex live. It would probably be amazing. He certainly was last evening. That guy can cook!
     
    Regards, Paul

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FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --0-596003610-1131760041=:36867-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 01:57:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 359043BED3; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 01:57:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UzRLKu73qY5iGGymsWgoAU+GMlVvmtFuEkag9BpEZ184IeJbbI77gX8GzWihZsuMw0KUiItauV2Y5s2pvWxuecPbuW8V6cPbJfc1yFLg6/PFsi9PURJwM4uQdLIzHJZOPW49WQa8L69nGbWVElubzpbv4v0p96dI86xKpPHjYi4= ; Message-ID: <20051112015728.81410.qmail@web50009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:57:27 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Maravel Subject: Re: MEP-4 help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051112014725.24EDD3BED6@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7N4Xg.A.u_G.JwUdDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 01:57:30 +0000 (UTC) I'm getting a Yamaha MEP-4 midi processor in the hopes of using it to trigger sustain with a pedal (momentary)-My controller is a Roland AX-1 (no sustain pedal input) I've downloaded the manual but it doesn't cover the pedal input for the MEP extensively-Anyone know how to do this? If the Wavestation SR had a pedal input this would be a non-issue-I'm interested in all the other possibilities of the Mep-4 anyway. BTW: I've been looping by triggering a Wavestation SR and a Planet Earth module with a Roland AX-1 through an RC-20XL- Thanks, Lee __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 03:56:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D5D43BECD; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 03:56:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008a01c5e73d$0c41b020$d3b2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung (Auth)" To: References: <20051112014721.10510.qmail@web35101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Pat Metheny is a Looper! (Well, not really) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 20:56:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0087_01C5E702.5F0FF7C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.650000 Content: cid=195(1.0) =1.0,Aspam=-0.8,Hiding url *http=1.4 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 379, in=175555, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 03:56:27 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C5E702.5F0FF7C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a video of Pat performing with his band on Sessions on West 54th = Street, where he plays that guitar...very bizarre looking instrument. = Question: Did he play Au Lait? If so, I envy you. Though on the looping thing, I'd be surprised if he got into that. He = seems to do fine either solo, duo, or in his combo groups. It would be = mind blowing, however, because you would certainly not get any lofty or = textural background-like looping music but some kick ass single note = improvisation over who the hell knows what....=20 I can hear his Roland GR300 guitar synth already over some of his = slash/polychord madness looped. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Paul Richards=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 6:47 PM Subject: Pat Metheny is a Looper! (Well, not really) Hi: Actually, I saw Pat Metheny last evening and during one song, he = played a very unusual guitar which is (from his website) a 42-string = pikasso guitar built by Linda Manzer. It has two necks - one appears to = be a 12 string and the other a 6 string (although it may be a baritone) = and there are two separate configurations with x strings (couldn't count = them accurately). He kept up a variety of background "patterns" going on the two string = configs and played the two necks. The similarity of looping with a = standard looping device and what he was doing really struck me. I'd like = to see him use something like an Gibson Echoplex live. It would probably = be amazing. He certainly was last evening. That guy can cook! Regards, Paul -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C5E702.5F0FF7C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    I have a video of Pat performing with = his band on=20 Sessions on West 54th Street, where he plays that guitar...very bizarre = looking=20 instrument.  Question: Did he play Au Lait? If so, I envy = you.
     
    Though on the looping thing, I'd be = surprised if he=20 got into that. He seems to do fine either solo, duo, or in his combo = groups. It=20 would be mind blowing, however, because you would certainly not get = any=20 lofty or textural background-like looping music but some kick ass single = note=20 improvisation over who the hell knows what....
     
    I can hear his Roland GR300 guitar = synth already=20 over some of his slash/polychord madness looped.
     
    Kris
     
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Paul Richards
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 = 6:47=20 PM
    Subject: Pat Metheny is a = Looper! (Well,=20 not really)

    Hi:
     
    Actually, I saw Pat Metheny last evening and during one song, he = played a=20 very unusual guitar which is (from his website) a 42-string=20 pikasso guitar built by Linda Manzer. It has two necks - one appears = to be a=20 12 string and the other a 6 string (although it may be a baritone) and = there=20 are two separate configurations with x strings (couldn't count them=20 accurately).
     
    He kept up a variety of background = "patterns" going on=20 the two string configs and played the two necks. The similarity of = looping=20 with a standard looping device and what he was doing really struck me. = I'd=20 like to see him use something like an Gibson Echoplex live. It would = probably=20 be amazing. He certainly was last evening. That guy can = cook!
     
    Regards, Paul

    Yahoo!=20 FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C5E702.5F0FF7C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 05:48:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA8963BED5; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 05:48:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GKsM4EJPvB7Qy8VUDqmH4RTpjn7BSh2yoFxGhhxTyH31Ga29Ta8JOlq34UDzhTaD92gfFb8Wju6dhZauqkCNMHVC5NECa0Q6sIihfMWNaMJyvcWiXFL3n2bhGVSXxouQ43Pgh2q4+2dTPG3zFMjQRvND2jsWDHxaLy7Z7rHl5R4= Message-ID: <26ba8d120511112148m411a1ec2hb31278ac5d3e428f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 00:48:05 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: db@biink.com Subject: Re: my dreams come true Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <43752DEB.90604@biink.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5.2.1.1.0.20051111152944.01176870@.> <43752DEB.90604@biink.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 05:48:07 +0000 (UTC) it's a fraud, I think. If you listen to their samples, there is only one actual sound. four of the samples are identical -- the other ones are artificially pitched up a little. what a con! On 11/11/05, David Beardsley wrote: > Sean Echevarria wrote: > > > Finally, the digital modeling cowbell: > > http://www.radmonkeycowbells.com/ > > > > > needs more cowbell. > > -- > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 06:12:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DC803BECA; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 06:12:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007f01c5e750$0506aa50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: DRIVE the LOOP or be DRIVEN? Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:12:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 06:12:06 +0000 (UTC) I've been following this discussion about getting a drummer to sync to a loop or having a drummer (or any musician) trigger a midi device that will then work off of the drummers time (continually retriggering the loop). I've had a lot of experience with this and I believe the latter option will never work satisfactorily for this reason: When human beings entrain they constantly have micro speed ups and slow downs to do so with each other (because we are not perfect and our timing varies subtely even with the most acute of studio trained musicians). What happens is that you don't play a measure of 140.25 BPM against a measure of 140.28 BPM and then compensate in the next measure by playing a measure of 140.31 BPM hoping that your partner will stay steady with 140.28 BPM as a midi tempo reading device will do. Do you get what I'm saying? I feel like it's hard to explain so forgive me if I'm not communicating well. In other words, we are stretching the time beat to beat, 16th note by 16th note to stay entrained with each other. When a drummer triggers a midi device to then trigger the BPM of the loop you are driving there are entire bars of constant drumming that are compensating for the last measure that may have been slightly out of sync. It is really audible when this happens and there is no intrinsic way around the problem. We're not even going to mention the problem of midi latency which can happen. Consequently, I would advise people to have the drummer learn how to entrain to the pre-existing loop. This will mimic real playing much more accurately, and the percieved lock of the loop and the real players will sound much better than trying to have the drummer drive the whole engine. ****************** I encountered this situation a lot in the early 80's when confronting the situation of bands that were using the new Midi language and sequencing in a live setting. All kinds of devices were marketed and sold then to let the drummer 'drive' the band. I never heard a single instance where the feel was excellent. There was an inherent stiffness do to the BPM changing only at the bar line. The same problem happened when I was doing a lot of studio sessions, drumming for singer/songwriters. Many of them had never played with a band before and certainly not a metronome and when you are trying to crank out relatively inexpensive demos you don't have time to teach the singersongwriter how to track to a metronome in a relaxed and musical way. Consequently, we had to either play the basic tracks (usually without the singer sonwriter) to a click track or just be content with 'lumpy grooves'. Several times I had to play with musicians who were not sophisticated session players so they couldn't play to a click very well. We tried to solve this by giving only me, the drummer the click track, and having them listen to me as the time and play to me. The problem with this approach is that I am continually struggling to stay on the click because the other musicians are fluctuating their time. Normally, we would just entrain to each other and go with the human results but again, frequently I'd find myself playing with a whole rhythm section in a band that just wasn't very acute. We ended up all playing together.............all playing to a click track and then going back and erasing the band's tracks and having them go home and practise to my drum tracks so that they could retrack more accurately. Lol, this is a band's worst nightmare about being signed............having to leave their organic process because some producer is to anal about the results he or she wants. Honestly, though, there were a lot of musicians who just weren't ready for a recording session and we did the best we could to serve them. Butch Vig found that Nirvana could not track tight tracks at all. He said later that Dave Grohl was the only professional musician in the group. Consequently, he had the band play sections of the song over and over and over. He then went through and found the tightest sounding bars and looped them. "Nevermind" is a looped record. When Cobain and the rest heard about it, or so the story goes, they were furious. I can understand, but in retrospect, "Nevermind" was Cobain's masterpiece. A lot of people who don't like it's produced feel think that "In Utero" was a better sounding record. It was the reaction of the band to Vig's production and was produced by Steve Albini ( a great non-producing producer who has an incredible knack for recording fantastic sounds and getting a band to make great performances and a favorite producer of mine). Interestingly, by the time that Nirvana tracked 'In Utero' they had really improved as a band and had a lot more live shows under their belts so they tracked pretty well. In the long run, my advice is hope and prey that your drummer is really interested in growing as a musician and willing to put in the time to learn how to play to loops. I have found that the majority of drummers out their tend not to want to take that formidable but completely feasible task. Also, it just won't work unless you have excellent monitoring of the loop for you drummer. Unfortunately, as my wife just commented, "That's difficult because in the real world, finding good monitoring is a bitch." What this means is that you will have to be prepared to invest in a separate loop monitor for at least your drummer because you cannot depend on a venue to help you to sound good. I actually found a great solution for this: Inexpensive wireless headphones (about $60-$90) from Radio Shack). They are closed ear and yet you can hear enough of the outside music (i.e., your drumming) to play accurately and with feeling. I advise that you money is far better spent purchasing alternate monitoring than a device that the drummer can trigger to then retrigger the live looping start point. Good luck with it, whichever way it goes. I'll be happy to correspond with anyone who wants to learn how to do this but is having a vexing time with it. yours, in search of good time and a good time, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 06:23:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C1F73BEDE; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 06:23:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00a901c5e751$a5bf1da0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: my dreams come true Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:23:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 06:23:45 +0000 (UTC) "Finally, the digital modeling cowbell: http://www.radmonkeycowbells.com/" God, what a brilliant parody! I thought to myself, "This is the stupidest product I've ever seen, I have to get a T-shirt'. Lo and behold, the t-shirts are out of stock. The power users link is down for maintenance. Click on the dealers list and it says, "click the state to find the nearest dealer to you". Every state says, "Sorry, there are no dealers in your area". Go to the demo page: They have two cowbell sounds that are identical for all of the spurious models they mention. This is really a wonderful and elaborate parody/practical joke..................kudos to whoever came up with the idea. NOW I REALLY WANT THE T-SHIRT!!!!! lol, r. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 08:27:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 627D83BEDA; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 08:27:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: cool flash music clip Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 09:26:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcXnYrqTOlI5BwjnRyuXULe0lHfdzw== X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Sat, 12 Nov 2005 09:26:35 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.102.52 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <20051112082706.D558E3BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 08:27:07 +0000 (UTC) http://www.arnelefant.de/iclip.html click the fingers. -michael (who wishes he could program cool stuff like that) www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 09:17:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 383873BECF; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 09:17:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4375B395.2070206@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 04:19:17 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Subject: The AM/FM Show starts in under two hours Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 09:17:00 +0000 (UTC) THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ================================================================================ My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be this Saturday, November 12 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Go there and click the REAL AUDIO link to listen on-line or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 10:57:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D75513BED6; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:57:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051112094914.02d98730@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:55:49 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re EDP loosing MIDI Clock sync - Quest In-Reply-To: <20051112014725.286D53BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051112014725.286D53BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:57:58 +0000 (UTC) >I've never noticed any sync flaws with my own EDP, but a friend with >Loop4 reported to me that his EDP looses MIDI clock sync each time he >goes Next Loop. He is running an AKAI MPC1000 as the MIDI clock >master and the EDP is set to Timing/Sync= IN. He says it was working >perfectly in Loop3. Any comments? need more info "looses clock sync" means 1) " loop is wrong length and drifts" 2) " loop starts at wrong place" Quantise = ? SwitchQuant = ? Probably he hasn't quite got his loop4 settings to match those he had in loop3. Loop4 sync=In has always been very reliable. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 11:24:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 088703BEE0; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 11:24:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CBAMaNWqYhzwjuU3KU4JE+B8VY9lhdYw96xGHOtuPEgxUGFkV8eikT3/lr270f99y90ZaeZ9qteXY86MGtOntz2tFSRZP8nEa0J9qw32YhoJhVOK5xHMV48nYPH0w+lYE9kmfQFHt7rPEeioypyGGySu16YAxb8A/vyTjDvjqYU= ; Message-ID: <20051112112452.85588.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 03:24:52 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: RICK GIVE US THAT ACOUSTIC LESSON! was Re: DRIVE the LOOP or be DRIVEN? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <007f01c5e750$0506aa50$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 11:24:54 +0000 (UTC) Rick,great input! Say you wanted to give me a lesson on a soundcheck technique dealing with different acoustics,rooms halls etc. that will make my life easier,but i think we can all use such valuable info in this forum now. anytime we are ready bro! cheers Luis (P.S.I promise ill invite you a couple of cold ones) --- "loop.pool" wrote: > I've been following this discussion about > getting a drummer to sync to a loop or having a > drummer > (or any musician) trigger a midi device that will > then work off > of the drummers time (continually retriggering the > loop). > > > I've had a lot of experience with this and I believe > the latter option > will never work satisfactorily for this reason: > > When human beings entrain they constantly have micro > speed ups and slow > downs to do so with each other (because we are not > perfect and our timing > varies > subtely even with the most acute of studio trained > musicians). > > What happens is that you don't play a measure of > 140.25 BPM against a measure of 140.28 BPM and then > compensate in the next measure by playing a measure > of 140.31 BPM > hoping that your partner will stay steady with > 140.28 BPM as a midi tempo > reading device will do. > > Do you get what I'm saying? I feel like it's hard > to explain so forgive me > if I'm not communicating well. > > In other words, we are stretching the time beat to > beat, 16th note by 16th > note to stay entrained with each other. > > When a drummer triggers a midi device to then > trigger the BPM of the loop > you are driving there are entire bars > of constant drumming that are compensating for the > last measure that may > have been slightly out of sync. > > It is really audible when this happens and there is > no intrinsic way around > the problem. We're not even going to > mention the problem of midi latency which can > happen. > > Consequently, I would advise people to have the > drummer learn how to > entrain to the pre-existing loop. > This will mimic real playing much more accurately, > and the percieved lock of > the loop and the real players > will sound much better than trying to have the > drummer drive the whole > engine. > > ****************** > I encountered this situation a lot in the early 80's > when confronting the > situation of bands that were using > the new Midi language and sequencing in a live > setting. All kinds of > devices were marketed and sold then to > let the drummer 'drive' the band. I never heard a > single instance where > the feel was excellent. There was an inherent > stiffness > do to the BPM changing only at the bar line. > > The same problem happened when I was doing a lot of > studio sessions, > drumming for singer/songwriters. > Many of them had never played with a band before and > certainly not a > metronome and when you are trying to crank out > relatively inexpensive demos you don't have time to > teach the > singersongwriter how to track to a metronome in a > relaxed > and musical way. > > Consequently, we had to either play the basic > tracks (usually without the > singer sonwriter) to a click track or > just be content with 'lumpy grooves'. > > Several times I had to play with musicians who were > not sophisticated > session players so they couldn't play to a click > very well. > > We tried to solve this by giving only me, the > drummer the click track, and > having them listen to me as the time and play to me. > > The problem with this approach is that I am > continually struggling to stay > on the click because the other musicians are > fluctuating their time. Normally, we would just > entrain to each other and > go with the human results but again, frequently > I'd find myself playing with a whole rhythm section > in a band that just > wasn't very acute. > > We ended up all playing together.............all > playing to a click track > and then going back and erasing the band's tracks > and having them go home and practise to my drum > tracks so that they could > retrack more accurately. > > Lol, this is a band's worst nightmare about being > signed............having > to leave their organic process because some producer > is to anal about the results he or she wants. > Honestly, though, there > were a lot of musicians who just weren't ready for a > recording session and > we did the best we could to serve them. > > Butch Vig found that Nirvana could not track tight > tracks at all. He said > later that Dave Grohl was the only professional > musician > in the group. Consequently, he had the band play > sections of the song > over and over and over. He then went through and > found the tightest > sounding bars and looped them. > > "Nevermind" is a looped record. When Cobain and > the rest heard about it, > or so the story goes, they were furious. > I can understand, but in retrospect, "Nevermind" > was Cobain's masterpiece. > A lot of people who don't like it's produced feel > think that "In Utero" was > a better sounding record. It was the reaction of > the band to Vig's > production and was produced by > Steve Albini ( a great non-producing producer who > has an incredible knack > for recording fantastic sounds and getting a band to > make great performances and a favorite producer of > mine). > > Interestingly, by the time that Nirvana tracked 'In > Utero' they had really > improved as a band and had a lot more live shows > under their belts so they > tracked pretty well. > > In the long run, my advice is hope and prey that > your drummer is really > interested in growing as a musician and willing to > put in the time to learn > how to play to loops. > > I have found that the majority of drummers out their > tend not to want to > take that formidable but completely feasible task. > > Also, it just won't work unless you have excellent > monitoring of the loop > for you drummer. > Unfortunately, as my wife just commented, "That's > difficult because in the > real world, finding good monitoring is a bitch." > What this means is that you will have to be prepared > to invest in a separate > loop monitor for at least your drummer because you > cannot > depend on a venue to help you to sound good. > > I actually found a great solution for this: > Inexpensive wireless > headphones (about $60-$90) from Radio Shack). They > are closed ear and yet > you can hear enough of the outside music (i.e., your > drumming) to play > accurately and with feeling. > > I advise that you money is far better spent > purchasing alternate monitoring > than a device that the drummer can trigger to then > retrigger the > live looping start point. > > Good luck with it, whichever way it goes. > > I'll be happy to correspond with anyone who wants to > learn how to do this > but is having a vexing time with it. > > yours, in search of good time and a good time, > Rick Walker > === message truncated === www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 14:12:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39F213BEE8; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 14:12:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000f01c5e793$9c0e0360$e965dd0c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <00a901c5e751$a5bf1da0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: my dreams come true Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 08:15:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 14:12:59 +0000 (UTC) "Guess what? I gotta fever! And the only prescription...is a RadMonkey cowbell!" Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 12:23 AM Subject: Re: my dreams come true > "Finally, the digital modeling cowbell: > http://www.radmonkeycowbells.com/" > > > God, what a brilliant parody! > > I thought to myself, "This is the stupidest product I've ever seen, I have > to get a T-shirt'. > > Lo and behold, the t-shirts are out of stock. > > The power users link is down for maintenance. > > Click on the dealers list and it says, "click the state to find the nearest > dealer to you". > > Every state says, "Sorry, there are no dealers in your area". > > Go to the demo page: > > They have two cowbell sounds that are identical for all of the spurious > models they mention. > > This is really a wonderful and elaborate parody/practical > joke..................kudos to whoever came up with the idea. > > NOW I REALLY WANT THE T-SHIRT!!!!! > > lol, r. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 14:16:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97DF63BEE2; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 14:16:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001601c5e794$1b67f120$e965dd0c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <110920052159.22899.4372712F0008962F0000597321979128029B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> <4372804F.8020005@sun.com> Subject: Re: Reaktor Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 08:19:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 14:16:32 +0000 (UTC) After looking around at Reaktor 4, yes, it would be difficult to implement a looper without multiple tape deck modules! But in Reaktor 5 they have the new Reaktor Core capability which lets you get down to a lower level with the function blocks. There is a memory read and write module that looks like it would work, because you can read and write from different locations simultaneously. I have Reaktor 5 but can't use it till my NeKo gets here. But I'm anxious to try it. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Larson" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 5:03 PM Subject: Re: Reaktor > mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > > If you want to have undo capability, then they have to be recorded on separate > > decks (this is what's happening inside the Echoplex, of course). > > No not really. The Echoplex is more like one "deck" with a really long > piece of tape and a feedback loop that allows you to copy things that > have already been played and merge them with what is being recorded. > Undo is just "rewinding" the tape. > > > But rearranging it so that one Tapedeck's playback gets mixed with the input > > and recorded into a different Tapedeck would be trivial. You could probably > > set it up so that it ping-pongs between: > > That's closer but you don't get "undo to zero". You could only undo > back one loop if you were ping-ponging between two decks. With the Echoplex > (subject to memory restrictions and certain functions) you can create any number > of overdubs, then stop and use Long Undo or Loop Windowing to seamlessly step > back in time until you've returned to the very first loop you recorded. > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 14:31:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90EB43BEE2; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 14:31:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qeMxJPAO8wV09G7sEN09Aa7PR9UsGT25hW6+NCIAsMxVpcGawCYd8qfLL+aO8c4bg+zedPzQ9JYRzOUiX+SNGO1xJuR9DSocaH8P9HX/5yK0DE5jKbXeDNAJGQ33OEim6SW9x4EUnysdU0h710kzSvCtqeIw0YwbwA6b/CxcGGw= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 08:31:11 -0600 From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: --shameless plug: free music-- In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <6.0.1.1.0.20051109065225.01be0f58@pop.nycap.rr.com> <20051111204126.72042.qmail@web30509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_SAbLB.A.CJC.xyfdDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 14:31:13 +0000 (UTC) I hope I didn't sound too presumptious there...just wanted to say that I'd like to think that we can have our inspirations and still maintain a certain degree of individuality, too. I did want to thank Peter for his "self-promotion" because I might not have found his music otherwise...it's been a treat. Still working with my JamMan...the two Lexicon Vortexes arrived yesterday afternoon, now I have three of them chained in line so today will be a VERY busy day! Dennis http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/audio On 11/11/05, Dennis Moser wrote: > I'd like to think there are others of us who are not "Domed One > Clones" who are influenced by him... > > 8-} > > Dennis Moser > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/audio > > On 11/11/05, Tim Nelson wrote: > > > > > > --- p koniuto wrote: > > > You can download for free my new release, Past > > > Andromeda, from here: > > > > > >http://www.stasisfield.com/releases/year04/sf-4007.html > > > > I downloaded Peter's album last week (it was the one I > > referred to in the 'slow modem' thread), and I highly > > recommend it to all o' yous. > > > > Peter demonstrates how one can be influenced by Eno > > without being a cloned one of the domed one. > > > > -t- > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 15:53:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC01B3BEEA; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:53:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:53:11 -0500 From: Dan Ash Subject: re: DRIVE the LOOP or be DRIVEN? (was: re: Synchronizing Real Time Drumming with a Prerecorded Loop was Re: query 'real time live looping') To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43760FE7.2080407@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: <6Nf3u.A.utD.2_gdDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:53:26 +0000 (UTC) >>I've been following this discussion about getting a drummer to sync to a loop or having a drummer (or any musician) trigger a midi device that will then work off of the drummers time (continually retriggering the loop).<< Thanks, Rick. I was thinking more along the lines of using the tap-tempo device for small adjustments to the *tempo* when required - rather than re-triggering all the downstream loops based on the tap-tempo device. In my mind, this would mostly be used to begin a new improv at a new tempo. It also implies a common language of cues so that the first set of loops loop is faded or muted before a radical tempo change is counted/tapped-in. I am also encouraging encouraging the drummer to use drum loops as he appears to be headed this way - although I wouldn't want an entire set to be drum loops. He's got several midi controllers including a gorgeous ZenDrum, and coulds contribute percussion, ambient textures and melody on top of a basic drum loop. So tempo adjustments would be more deliberate than simply trying to get back in the groove - although hopefully that should be possible, too. I hadn't really considered the monitoring issue - since I fully expect to be bringing the sound system I expect we can set up a dedicated monitor for our rhythmist. Dan Ash White Plains, NY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 16:07:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB0DD3BEEE; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 16:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 11:07:35 -0500 From: Dan Ash Subject: Re: MEP-4 help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43761347.1070502@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=------------010904060803060907000905 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 16:07:47 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010904060803060907000905 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you haven't already purchased the Yamaha device, check out these guys: http://www.midisolutions.com/ I corresponded with John Fast and we discussed a specific solution for a multi-channel MIDI sustain pedal - it sounds like you're covering similar ground. In my case he recommended using their 'MIDI Solutions Event Processor Plus' which has a graphical programming interface. No hex code required - and this alone was worth the price of admission... Email them at info@midisolutions.com HTH, Dan Ash White Plains, NY --------------010904060803060907000905 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you haven't already purchased the Yamaha device, check out these guys:

    http://www.midisolutions.com/

    I corresponded with John Fast and we discussed a specific solution for a multi-channel MIDI sustain pedal - it sounds like you're covering similar ground.  In my case he recommended using their 'MIDI Solutions Event Processor Plus' which has a graphical programming interface.  No hex code required - and this alone was worth the price of admission...

    Email them at info@midisolutions.com

    HTH,
    Dan Ash
    White Plains, NY --------------010904060803060907000905-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 16:13:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F97E3BEFE; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 16:13:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <437614D5.7020509@biink.com> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 11:14:13 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: my dreams come true References: <5.2.1.1.0.20051111152944.01176870@.> <43752DEB.90604@biink.com> <26ba8d120511112148m411a1ec2hb31278ac5d3e428f@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120511112148m411a1ec2hb31278ac5d3e428f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 16:13:59 +0000 (UTC) Tom Ritchford wrote: >it's a fraud, I think. If you listen to their samples, there is only >one actual sound. four of the samples are identical -- the other ones >are artificially pitched up a little. > >what a con! > no kiddin' Is that a real cowbell . . . I mean Is that a Mexican cowbell or is that a Sears cowbell ? Hmmm . . . no foolin' . . . -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 16:21:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABB1D3BEFE; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 16:21:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43761728.4030106@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 11:24:08 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AIMusic Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for November 12, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 16:21:52 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2005/051112.html I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #77 November 12, 2005. During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. I also skipped over Phase II directly to Phase III. 6:00 am Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== VA [Retrowave Project] Confusion Edition #4 Sampler (Groove) VA [Loren Nerell] Field of Gongs Edition #4 Sampler (Groove) VA [Redshift] Midnight Clear Minus Edition #5 Sampler (Groove) 6:30 am Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== Klaus Schulze Death of an Analogue Dig It (Revisited) wEirD Tiefenfluss A Different Kind of Normal (Neu Harmony) 7:00 am Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== Space Debris Capitalists Nightmare Kraut Lok (none) The Syn Cathedral of Love Syndestructable (Umbrello) The Syn City of Dreams Syndestructable (Umbrello) 7:30 am Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== Hamadryad One Voice Safe in Conformity (Unicorn) Hamadryad Polaroid Vendetta Safe in Conformity (Unicorn) Navigator From Within reEvolution One (Navigator) Navigator Inspirational Will reEvolution One (Navigator) Navigator To Begin reEvolution One (Navigator) Kenso Release Yourself Chilling Heat (Pathograph) Kenso Taro to iu ikikata Chilling Heat (Pathograph) 8:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show on December 10. On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Bill ========================================================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm ========================================================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ========================================================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 16:36:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68A143BF06; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 16:36:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 14:11:06 +0000 Subject: Re: VF-1 controller question From: jeremy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051112014725.286D53BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 16:36:29 +0000 (UTC) Hi Tim, Without answering actually answering your question, I find the use of an expression pedal adds considerably to the VF-1's functionality, not least because you can control up to four parameters with the one pedal. (You can do the same over MIDI of course). Because there are 200 user memory locations I find it more practical to select patches by MIDI program changes. If you'd find it useful, here's a schematic for an expression pedal: 50k ohm linear _______/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\______ | | | | | | | | | * * * track wiper earth/ground ring tip sleeve (to VF-1) If you have a footpedal with different connections (like the Yamaha ones) you can make a little adaptor with an in-line TRS socket and plug. >From you email it looks like you don't have a MIDI foot controller in which case it's worth looking into the categories you can use in the VF-1 so you can have a reduced set to scroll through. You can turn the VF-1 effects on and off from the front panel with one button press if that helps. > From: Timothy Mungenast > Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:25:01 -0500 > To: Loopers-Delight > Subject: VF-1 controller question > > Hey Gang: > > I was wondering if youse guys could help me with a VF-1 question. I am almost > done buying all the fabulous little extras needed to become Rackmount Man > after 25 years of stompboxes.... the rack itself, all the TRS cables, SPDIF > cable, MIDI controller, MIDI cable, yada yada yada, and finally getting the > feel for the owner's manuals. One thing confuses me, though: > On page 13, under item 12 (EXP PEDAL/CTL 1,2), it sez "either an expression > pedal or a foot switch can be connected here, and used to step up/downthrough > patch numbers." I am guessing that my Peavey 2-button TRS footswitch should > work fine if I configure the box to accept latching versus momentary. > > I want to be able to switch the unit on and off without using my MIDI Buddy, > and the manual shows me how (I think), but as far as scrolling through the > presets a la Vortex, well, pg 13 is the only place that makes any mention of > that. > > (Yes, I know changing the patches is what the MIDI Buddy is for, and I > shouldn't be such a MIDIOT, but I want the option to leave the MIDI controller > home in the interest of saving space and weight.) > > Ideally, I'd control the Vortex and MPX-500 with my gen-yoo-wine Lexicon TRS > footswitches, and run the VF-1 with either the simple footswitch or the MIDI > buddy. > > Anyway, does anyone have any wisdom they'd like to impart to Timmy > Technophobe? I'd be very grateful. > > Yours in Herbert Eimert, > Tim "Un-Stableboy" Mungenast > www.mungenast.com > www.myspace.com/timmungenast > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 16:47:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EA663BEF9; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 16:47:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=M6zSlKS/lV3PJjTWXzq8DK36nUIddTeEPu/8gQJ60S4TjuNdHCnKW9x1rJ8mhh74jqr9I8t1XN9xvbM1AgL20p4Nkx9B4aasVA7SxZ5hMi+5cPKXbV7hvI0H8QFD9xkxj/E4RzXFV86AJSJOamco3/XPLrNWFJOdcfnkREdMd+Q= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 08:47:46 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DRIVE the LOOP or be DRIVEN? (was: re: Synchronizing Real Time Drumming with a Prerecorded Loop was Re: query 'real time live looping') In-Reply-To: <43760FE7.2080407@Verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <43760FE7.2080407@Verizon.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 16:47:47 +0000 (UTC) Of course it's not just a dedicated monitor you'll want for the drummer, but also a dedicated mix for that monitor, so you'll need a dedicated power amp channel and a mixer that can handle two monitor submixes. TravisH On 11/12/05, Dan Ash wrote: > I hadn't really considered the monitoring issue - since I fully expect > to be bringing the sound system I expect we can set up a dedicated > monitor for our rhythmist. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 12 18:22:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 869433BEF9; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:22:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=B8Rjs2oshUEbEyQrSWoVQIiPkt/C4RmvVtsAmixC3iCCgRxoy9pSGK8a/7ng/3ebzdGXl6VzpD4OFJ7SvxbG2+FmXraINxW/as2leDzpXh7nTo3t6nfYQl6sFaammsCtt3tXAJ+wh5V2zFBfMt/my2G49XfBokJX0QQJFT/XC/c= Message-ID: <8c880ac20511121022w1a4ad529ub99abf9af69524f2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:22:32 -0800 From: Matt Love To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cool flash music clip In-Reply-To: <20051112082706.D558E3BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051112082706.D558E3BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:22:34 +0000 (UTC) I passed this one along to some friends; one of them, Vincent Knobil recommended a music machine he linked to on his blog : http://vincent.knobil.free.fr/sknoblog/?p=3D183 He said he's totally hooked on it, and I agree! It was hard to stop playing with it long enough to post this message On 11/12/05, Michael Peters wrote: > http://www.arnelefant.de/iclip.html > > click the fingers. > > > -michael > (who wishes he could program cool stuff like that) > www.michaelpeters.de > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 13 02:29:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7D243BEFE; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 02:29:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=bf6nlcZ3KJKJfxaG4XjWrWeum5ntbk8DigcnvY/DNxBTEeGiDbDX880+4T8IDhoB; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220051101323340480@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: VF-1 controller question Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:33:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94013b9fd6907afe75fa5b489f737664542350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.239 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 02:29:45 +0000 (UTC) Thanks muchly for the good info. I do have a MIDI controller, a Rolls MIDI Buddy. I was just looking to explore my options and save a few pounds in a rack that's starting to get porky before I've even gotten it all working ;-) Same reason I'm hesitant to use my great big EV-10. BTW, can you sweep delay time a la Adrian Belew? ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: jeremy > To: > Date: 11/12/2005 11:36:29 AM > Subject: Re: VF-1 controller question > > Hi Tim, > > Without answering actually answering your question, I find the use of an > expression pedal adds considerably to the VF-1's functionality, not least > because you can control up to four parameters with the one pedal. (You can > do the same over MIDI of course). > > Because there are 200 user memory locations I find it more practical to > select patches by MIDI program changes. > > If you'd find it useful, here's a schematic for an expression pedal: > > > 50k ohm linear > _______/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\______ > | | | > | | | > | | | > * * * > track wiper earth/ground > > > ring tip sleeve (to VF-1) > > > If you have a footpedal with different connections (like the Yamaha ones) > you can make a little adaptor with an in-line TRS socket and plug. > > From you email it looks like you don't have a MIDI foot controller in which > case it's worth looking into the categories you can use in the VF-1 so you > can have a reduced set to scroll through. > > You can turn the VF-1 effects on and off from the front panel with one > button press if that helps. > > > > > > From: Timothy Mungenast > > Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:25:01 -0500 > > To: Loopers-Delight > > Subject: VF-1 controller question > > > > Hey Gang: > > > > I was wondering if youse guys could help me with a VF-1 question. I am almost > > done buying all the fabulous little extras needed to become Rackmount Man > > after 25 years of stompboxes.... the rack itself, all the TRS cables, SPDIF > > cable, MIDI controller, MIDI cable, yada yada yada, and finally getting the > > feel for the owner's manuals. One thing confuses me, though: > > On page 13, under item 12 (EXP PEDAL/CTL 1,2), it sez "either an expression > > pedal or a foot switch can be connected here, and used to step up/downthrough > > patch numbers." I am guessing that my Peavey 2-button TRS footswitch should > > work fine if I configure the box to accept latching versus momentary. > > > > I want to be able to switch the unit on and off without using my MIDI Buddy, > > and the manual shows me how (I think), but as far as scrolling through the > > presets a la Vortex, well, pg 13 is the only place that makes any mention of > > that. > > > > (Yes, I know changing the patches is what the MIDI Buddy is for, and I > > shouldn't be such a MIDIOT, but I want the option to leave the MIDI controller > > home in the interest of saving space and weight.) > > > > Ideally, I'd control the Vortex and MPX-500 with my gen-yoo-wine Lexicon TRS > > footswitches, and run the VF-1 with either the simple footswitch or the MIDI > > buddy. > > > > Anyway, does anyone have any wisdom they'd like to impart to Timmy > > Technophobe? I'd be very grateful. > > > > Yours in Herbert Eimert, > > Tim "Un-Stableboy" Mungenast > > www.mungenast.com > > www.myspace.com/timmungenast > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 13 04:11:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2570E3BEFE; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 04:11:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight. com" Subject: RE: VF-1 controller question Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:11:12 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <410-220051101323340480@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 04:11:15 +0000 (UTC) You have an EV10, Lucky! Mine just broke after many years of faithful service, its a drag because they are more solid than the flimsy EV5, and you can determine the cable length, I'd use that if I was you. I just bought an M-Audio expression pedal to rplace it that is a little bigger than the EV5, but still light weight, and works fine with my Roland gear. Seems somewhat sturdy in a plastic sort of way Ha Ha! I agree that an expression pedal really adds dimension to the VF1, What do you mean by sweep delay?, where the delay speeds up or slows down, creating pich bend effects? or the ability to modulate the delay? clarify please. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Timothy Mungenast [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net] Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 6:34 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: VF-1 controller question Thanks muchly for the good info. I do have a MIDI controller, a Rolls MIDI Buddy. I was just looking to explore my options and save a few pounds in a rack that's starting to get porky before I've even gotten it all working ;-) Same reason I'm hesitant to use my great big EV-10. BTW, can you sweep delay time a la Adrian Belew? ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: jeremy > To: > Date: 11/12/2005 11:36:29 AM > Subject: Re: VF-1 controller question > > Hi Tim, > > Without answering actually answering your question, I find the use of an > expression pedal adds considerably to the VF-1's functionality, not least > because you can control up to four parameters with the one pedal. (You can > do the same over MIDI of course). > > Because there are 200 user memory locations I find it more practical to > select patches by MIDI program changes. > > If you'd find it useful, here's a schematic for an expression pedal: > > > 50k ohm linear > _______/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\______ > | | | > | | | > | | | > * * * > track wiper earth/ground > > > ring tip sleeve (to VF-1) > > > If you have a footpedal with different connections (like the Yamaha ones) > you can make a little adaptor with an in-line TRS socket and plug. > > From you email it looks like you don't have a MIDI foot controller in which > case it's worth looking into the categories you can use in the VF-1 so you > can have a reduced set to scroll through. > > You can turn the VF-1 effects on and off from the front panel with one > button press if that helps. > > > > > > From: Timothy Mungenast > > Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:25:01 -0500 > > To: Loopers-Delight > > Subject: VF-1 controller question > > > > Hey Gang: > > > > I was wondering if youse guys could help me with a VF-1 question. I am almost > > done buying all the fabulous little extras needed to become Rackmount Man > > after 25 years of stompboxes.... the rack itself, all the TRS cables, SPDIF > > cable, MIDI controller, MIDI cable, yada yada yada, and finally getting the > > feel for the owner's manuals. One thing confuses me, though: > > On page 13, under item 12 (EXP PEDAL/CTL 1,2), it sez "either an expression > > pedal or a foot switch can be connected here, and used to step up/downthrough > > patch numbers." I am guessing that my Peavey 2-button TRS footswitch should > > work fine if I configure the box to accept latching versus momentary. > > > > I want to be able to switch the unit on and off without using my MIDI Buddy, > > and the manual shows me how (I think), but as far as scrolling through the > > presets a la Vortex, well, pg 13 is the only place that makes any mention of > > that. > > > > (Yes, I know changing the patches is what the MIDI Buddy is for, and I > > shouldn't be such a MIDIOT, but I want the option to leave the MIDI controller > > home in the interest of saving space and weight.) > > > > Ideally, I'd control the Vortex and MPX-500 with my gen-yoo-wine Lexicon TRS > > footswitches, and run the VF-1 with either the simple footswitch or the MIDI > > buddy. > > > > Anyway, does anyone have any wisdom they'd like to impart to Timmy > > Technophobe? I'd be very grateful. > > > > Yours in Herbert Eimert, > > Tim "Un-Stableboy" Mungenast > > www.mungenast.com > > www.myspace.com/timmungenast > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 13 04:13:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 440BD3BF0C; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 04:13:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight. com" Subject: FW: Hey DL-4 users Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:13:07 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C5E7C5.7F2A0140" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 04:13:09 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C5E7C5.7F2A0140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not sure if this has been mentioned before, but the highly regarded Robert Keeley Electronics is doing a sonic upgrade mod to the DL4, which among other things reduces the high frequency noise , and the slight volume drop that DL4s are plagued with. I've noticed the problem the recording environment. check it out.. Bill The message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: Shortcut to: http://www.robertkeeley.com/product.php?id=40 Note: To protect against computer viruses, e-mail programs may prevent sending or receiving certain types of file attachments. Check your e-mail security settings to determine how attachments are handled. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C5E7C5.7F2A0140 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Robert Keeley Electronics Line 6 DL4 MM4.url" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Robert Keeley Electronics Line 6 DL4 MM4.url" [DEFAULT] BASEURL=http://www.robertkeeley.com/product.php?id=40 [InternetShortcut] URL=http://www.robertkeeley.com/product.php?id=40 Modified=A0C791E8D7E7C50164 ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C5E7C5.7F2A0140-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 13 04:42:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E57C3BF0E; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 04:42:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=25votHdsD8YVskDKttO09UDsKAVJ2qcePeUKEL4N2dtQ1+lQlNRa9Bn5g2rE+8YuQNG8h9de/zSbV75k9wtP91pniKlojuNq5ixUaZ0ZxDk4xn8YWY1lbkHZm29dsOS50tuqrLp3/lsefkj6+xu1NOVsGc1C/QawPsmArtz1NdI= ; Message-ID: <20051113044231.73468.qmail@web50015.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:42:31 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Maravel Subject: Re: MEP-4 help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051113041309.BF8E83BF12@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 04:42:33 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for you reply-I emailed Midi Solutions also and got a similar response. The thing is, the Mep went for something like $30.00 and it does a lot. The Midi Solutions unit goes for well over $100 and only controls the pedal. There's also an Anatek Pocket thingy that does exactly what I want but I can't find one anywhere. Oh, well. Lee __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 13 05:55:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E73573BF10; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 05:55:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MJf5BUmdAQeZfwQQHkRLTr+AMefI4KchFFqaCn8IrtNv05ne735IIF4Kt+FGJi5TvHowwCxAjRelz0uiZy96kHL0VuRIkK4MUvmBzg/BX/wRcEegh41b7hpmacN1C9Di9XrTkzwcO+mr7ftIkcK5p922v1MrHN1a3kxfiUozvLU= ; Message-ID: <20051113055520.52557.qmail@web34813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:55:20 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: my dreams come true To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20051111152944.01176870@.> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 05:55:22 +0000 (UTC) --- Sean Echevarria wrote: > Finally, the digital modeling cowbell: > http://www.radmonkeycowbells.com/ I'll see your cowbell & raise you a floorboard. http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/2005/Porchboard-Bass-CL.html __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 13 12:10:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D06283BF11; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 12:10:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051113111726.02d73940@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 12:08:12 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:DRIVE the LOOP or be DRIVEN? In-Reply-To: <20051112141259.EFD523BEF3@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051112141259.EFD523BEF3@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 12:10:19 +0000 (UTC) >I encountered this situation a lot in the early 80's when >confronting the situation of bands that were using >the new Midi language and sequencing in a live setting. All kinds >of devices were marketed and sold then to >let the drummer 'drive' the band. I never heard a single instance >where the feel was excellent. There was an inherent stiffness >do to the BPM changing only at the bar line. hi Rick It seems you're using the "nobody did it before, therefore you won't be able to do it" argument here. Technology has surely moved on since the 80's, when the available sound pallet was comprised of sounds that would only work with stiff music. Even Midi timing has got a bit more accurate than it was in those days. (and now it's possible to start a sound slightly early if it has a slow attack) One of the big difficulties is monitoring, as you rightly point out. ...but to a large extent the difficulty is due not to the inherent physics of playing music, but because music tends to be over-amplified, and 90% of PAs produce a sound so awful that it's actually quite hard to hear how close the timing is. For a group of musicians with their own high quality amplification set-up the problem could (with co-operation :-) be greatly reduced. If the goal is to create a loop, and then have the timing of that loop track the timing of the band then of course that's harder in some ways than getting a midi sequencer to do the same thing. I don't know of any hardware device other than a Repeater with which this could be attempted. (with it's time stretching ability) ...and the reputation for midi tracking of that device has often been criticised. ...but why wouldn't it work? Surely it's possible to renew synchronisation more often than once a bar. It's also possible to chose sounds for the loop with a different sounding attack to what's going on in the live music, that would make any slight drift sound much less unpleasant. I hope people keep trying to make it work. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 13 15:34:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD2F73BF10; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 15:34:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xZYqSdDfqSmq4mPdoMFUPLVbR/oAREEjfx6Y0g1DoebF8s6Em5V2qWeR1x9fj/l+J+EiRLOuvtM5+v3V/Djkq571v5b/I80LSf4h/6xnY0rEPxY1TkYEmUIeqtk33N41JpssNaqR+fnvYFWBKL5cDY4fHiVDjWmjOFH63YKIG0s= ; Message-ID: <20051113153423.93622.qmail@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 07:34:23 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: my dreams come true To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051113055520.52557.qmail@web34813.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <0zW0LB.A.4KD.A01dDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 15:34:24 +0000 (UTC) Interesting guitar stand he's using in that photo! -t- --- John Tidwell wrote: > I'll see your cowbell & raise you a floorboard. > > http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/2005/Porchboard-Bass-CL.html __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 13 15:48:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 536E23BF1A; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 15:48:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=sprintmail.com; b=opFLSDhkKeNVIvcp5sXhffo2K4Tv2J51eXne5TqWaxlWeDlpBcENjEI/ZS13Pfck; h=Received:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Content-Type:To:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <2D330FFB-184F-4D1E-8535-063986EA95A1@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig spam [Seattle] Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 07:47:57 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-ELNK-Trace: 86a6669cc0c295031c0d99aadad889b544085b9606502ed96e1945eb9ce228e76ca0d7f510cbd63a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.91.62.52 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 15:48:01 +0000 (UTC) Three acoustic guitar live looping shows this week in the Seattle area. My new CD will be available for $5 at all shows. November 18, Friday, 8-10PM Cafe Darclee (100 4th Ave N, Suite 165) Crepes, coffee and music at the foot of the Space Needle. November 19, Saturday, 3PM Voice of Vashon (Vashon Island internet radio live broadcast) Vashon Island's internet radio station will have me do an in-studio performance during the afternoon. Visit their website for streaming audio at 3PM PDT November 19, Saturday, 7PM Cafe Luna (9924 SW Bank Road , Vashon Island) And for those of you on or visiting Vashon that day, I'll be returning to Cafe Luna Saturday evening for another show. Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 13 16:02:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0D4B3BF1F; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:02:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=PyRc9HA/hsl+QE8eusEkU+87drbgiCojmB0OhIuIYIOr7oMu/6RaGlDfWiTxWHHdYhkheAg4k5YBZxvduO/AMI3U1r/5xxOh7+S6lYaqH6DoJ6J7Y2SMkVuhRGiRwhvrB1AdzXcIhhh1v6F0++IoSGEukCQmT6Yh6cqc4qhFmAQ= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 08:02:00 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Thread indexing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:02:01 +0000 (UTC) It seems that recently a lot of people have started responding to threads not with a subject line of "Re: [thread title" but with a post having just the thread title, as if it was a new posting. This makes it hard to track replies to a thread and causes the archive to not tie the follow ups to the parent. Is there some new mail software making the rounds that does this, or have many people decided to stop using "Re:" in their subject lines? TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 13 16:37:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FCF43BF1E; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:37:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43776BBA.7000907@biink.com> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:37:14 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: my dreams come true References: <20051113153423.93622.qmail@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051113153423.93622.qmail@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_jpqcB.A.UUF.Ov2dDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:37:34 +0000 (UTC) Tim Nelson wrote: >Interesting guitar stand he's using in that photo! > >-t- > >--- John Tidwell wrote: > > > >>I'll see your cowbell & raise you a floorboard. >> >ttp://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/2005/Porchboard-Bass-CL.html > > > Too high tech for me. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 13 21:10:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7885D3BED9; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:10:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b901c5e896$b16c9970$6501a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung (Auth)" To: Subject: Recordings from the Y2K5 International Live Looping Festival in Santa Cruz Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 14:10:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C5E85C.042B9ED0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.300000 URL contains username and (optional) password=1.3 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 43, in=26476, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:10:42 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C5E85C.042B9ED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The page below contains a good portion of the recordings that I recorded = from the Y2K5 International Live Looping Festival last month in Santa = Cruz, plus others that one of my looping peers captured off the webcast = stream: http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5_Recordings.htm There are some great clips on this site, and from a lot of different = type of loopers (guitarists, bass players, vocalists, computer loopers, = violin, sax, etc) Cheers, Kris Krispen Hartung Improvisational Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C5E85C.042B9ED0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    The page below contains a good portion = of the=20 recordings that I recorded from the Y2K5 International Live Looping = Festival last month in Santa Cruz, plus others that one of my looping = peers=20 captured off the webcast stream:
     
    http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5_Recordings.htm
     
    There are some great clips on this = site, and from a=20 lot of different type of loopers (guitarists, bass players, vocalists, = computer=20 loopers, violin, sax, etc)
     
    Cheers,
     
    Kris


    Krispen = Hartung
    Improvisational Looping=20 Guitarist
    http://www.krispenhartung.com
    info@krispenhartung.com
    = Discography:=20 http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung
    ------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C5E85C.042B9ED0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 13 22:14:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6AF43BED3; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:14:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <255.eebdd3.30a91486@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:13:26 EST Subject: Re: Recordings from the Y2K5 International Live Looping Festival in Santa Cruz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_255.eebdd3.30a91486_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:14:02 +0000 (UTC) --part1_255.eebdd3.30a91486_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kris, This is really awesome! One teensy little request though . . .=20 Part Three - Guitar Dysplasia (not Dyspasia) Hope all is well with you. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_255.eebdd3.30a91486_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kris,

    This is really awesome! One teensy little request though . . .

    Part Three - Guitar Dysplasia (not Dyspasia)

    Hope all is well with you.

    Best regards,

    tEd =AE kiLLiAn

    "Different is not always better, but better is always different"

    http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
    http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
    http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
    http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
    http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
    http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
    http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

    Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
    BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
    AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
    RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
    and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
     --part1_255.eebdd3.30a91486_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 13 22:25:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5354C3BEDA; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:25:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <00b901c5e896$b16c9970$6501a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <00b901c5e896$b16c9970$6501a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Recordings from the Y2K5 International Live Looping Festival in Santa Cruz Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 23:25:06 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:25:10 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 13, 2005, at 22:10, Kris Hartung (Auth) wrote: > The page below contains a good portion of the recordings that I > recorded from the Y2K5 International Live Looping Festival last > month in Santa Cruz, plus others that one of my looping peers > captured off the webcast stream: > > http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5_Recordings.htm Thank you! How nice to be able to hear all this :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 13 22:53:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52DC13BEDD; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:53:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <192.4d0d8545.30a91dcc@aol.com> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:53:00 EST Subject: Re: Recordings from the Y2K5 International Live Looping Festival in Santa Cruz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_192.4d0d8545.30a91dcc_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:53:06 +0000 (UTC) --part1_192.4d0d8545.30a91dcc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kris.....a great big THANK YOU!.....mic --part1_192.4d0d8545.30a91dcc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable kris.....a great big THANK YOU!.....mic= --part1_192.4d0d8545.30a91dcc_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 13 23:37:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 948FB3BED2; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 23:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00e001c5e8ab$270a8660$6501a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung (Auth)" To: Subject: Re: Recordings from the Y2K5 International Live Looping Festival in Santa Cruz Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:37:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DD_01C5E870.79D12CE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.300000 URL contains username and (optional) password=1.3 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 381, in=175909, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <3jOeJ.A.alB.j48dDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 23:37:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DD_01C5E870.79D12CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You guys must think I'm nuts...after all the correspondence with you on = this page and the recordings, and I send out this message? What the.... This was supposed to go to the Boise Musicians Yahoo Group, which I = manage, not LD. Sorry about that. :) =20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung (Auth)=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 2:10 PM Subject: Recordings from the Y2K5 International Live Looping Festival = in Santa Cruz The page below contains a good portion of the recordings that I = recorded from the Y2K5 International Live Looping Festival last month in = Santa Cruz, plus others that one of my looping peers captured off the = webcast stream: http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5_Recordings.htm There are some great clips on this site, and from a lot of different = type of loopers (guitarists, bass players, vocalists, computer loopers, = violin, sax, etc) Cheers, Kris Krispen Hartung Improvisational Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_00DD_01C5E870.79D12CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    You guys must think I'm nuts...after = all the=20 correspondence with you on this page and the recordings, and I send out = this=20 message? What the....
     
    This was supposed to go to the Boise = Musicians=20 Yahoo Group, which I manage, not LD. Sorry about that. :)  =
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung (Auth)
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 = 2:10=20 PM
    Subject: Recordings from the = Y2K5=20 International Live Looping Festival in Santa Cruz

    The page below contains a good = portion of the=20 recordings that I recorded from the Y2K5 International Live = Looping=20 Festival last month in Santa Cruz, plus others that one of my looping = peers=20 captured off the webcast stream:
     
    http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5_Recordings.htm
     
    There are some great clips on this = site, and from=20 a lot of different type of loopers (guitarists, bass players, = vocalists,=20 computer loopers, violin, sax, etc)
     
    Cheers,
     
    Kris


    Krispen = Hartung
    Improvisational=20 Looping=20 = Guitarist
    http://www.krispenhartung.com
    info@krispenhartung.com
    = Discography:=20 http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung
    ------=_NextPart_000_00DD_01C5E870.79D12CE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 14 01:24:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F8D53BED5; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 01:24:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4377E7B2.5070202@Hevanet.com> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:26:10 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Recordings from the Y2K5 International Live Looping Festival in Santa Cruz References: <00e001c5e8ab$270a8660$6501a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <00e001c5e8ab$270a8660$6501a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_NNj-C.A.zh.Ed-dDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 01:24:20 +0000 (UTC) Kris Hartung (Auth) wrote: > You guys must think I'm nuts... In a mostly good way! .David. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 14 01:58:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B38293BEDB; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 01:58:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Recordings from the Y2K5 International Live Looping Festival in Santa Cruz Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:58:23 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C5E87B.D71C3A60" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <00b901c5e896$b16c9970$6501a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 01:58:25 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C5E87B.D71C3A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Krispen, I wanted to thank you again for all of the effort you put in to Y2K5. Not only did Krispen make some fine recordings, he also came in friday night and helped me get the alternate venue together., not to mention playing a fine set himself. Krispen Hartung, a wizard , a true star..I salute you! Bill Walker -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung (Auth) [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 1:11 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Recordings from the Y2K5 International Live Looping Festival in Santa Cruz The page below contains a good portion of the recordings that I recorded from the Y2K5 International Live Looping Festival last month in Santa Cruz, plus others that one of my looping peers captured off the webcast stream: http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5_Recordings.htm There are some great clips on this site, and from a lot of different type of loopers (guitarists, bass players, vocalists, computer loopers, violin, sax, etc) Cheers, Kris Krispen Hartung Improvisational Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C5E87B.D71C3A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Hey=20 Krispen,
      I wanted to thank you again for all of the effort = you put in=20 to Y2K5.  Not only did Krispen make some fine recordings, he also = came in=20 friday night and helped me get the alternate venue together., not to = mention=20 playing a fine set himself.  Krispen Hartung, a wizard , a = true=20 star..I salute you!
    Bill=20 Walker
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Kris Hartung = (Auth)=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
    Sent: Sunday, November 13, = 2005 1:11=20 PM
    To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject:=20 Recordings from the Y2K5 International Live Looping Festival in Santa=20 Cruz

    The page below contains a good = portion of the=20 recordings that I recorded from the Y2K5 International Live = Looping=20 Festival last month in Santa Cruz, plus others that one of my looping = peers=20 captured off the webcast stream:
     
    http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5_Recordings.htm
     
    There are some great clips on this = site, and from=20 a lot of different type of loopers (guitarists, bass players, = vocalists,=20 computer loopers, violin, sax, etc)
     
    Cheers,
     
    Kris


    Krispen = Hartung
    Improvisational=20 Looping=20 = Guitarist
    http://www.krispenhartung.com
    info@krispenhartung.com
    = Discography:=20 http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung
    ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C5E87B.D71C3A60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 14 02:22:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A7A23BED5; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 02:22:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=KIVX3rtW/jKrnpeVi2R4Jtgxxby+By+luEqVqu5ZB75xweZFFH7gEWGlVK1Kc5T2; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220051111422642610@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: my dreams come true Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:26:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940a666bcc432aaa190d65edcaef2699f67350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.21.107 Resent-Message-ID: <9Pjz5C.A.rjE.zT_dDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 02:22:43 +0000 (UTC) WHAT WE REALLY NEED IS A DIGITAL MODELING WASHTUB BASS. (Aw, geez, was that out loud?!?) xoxo, Tim > [Original Message] > From: John Tidwell > To: > Date: 11/13/2005 12:55:22 AM > Subject: Re: my dreams come true > > --- Sean Echevarria wrote: > > > Finally, the digital modeling cowbell: > > http://www.radmonkeycowbells.com/ > > > I'll see your cowbell & raise you a floorboard. > > http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/2005/Porchboard-Bass-CL.html > > > > > __________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 14 02:49:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BB953BED2; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 02:49:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: my dreams come true Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:51:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <410-220051111422642610@earthlink.net> Thread-Index: AcXowkufs8aTcHpgRhmb9a6BnIDX6QAA9KeA Message-Id: <20051114024946.BAAF03BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7LQYy.A.EQG.Kt_dDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 02:49:47 +0000 (UTC) Well here ya go! http://www.bornemark.se/bb/ -----Original Message----- From: Timothy Mungenast [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 9:27 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: my dreams come true WHAT WE REALLY NEED IS A DIGITAL MODELING WASHTUB BASS. (Aw, geez, was that out loud?!?) xoxo, Tim > [Original Message] > From: John Tidwell > To: > Date: 11/13/2005 12:55:22 AM > Subject: Re: my dreams come true > > --- Sean Echevarria wrote: > > > Finally, the digital modeling cowbell: > > http://www.radmonkeycowbells.com/ > > > I'll see your cowbell & raise you a floorboard. > > http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/2005/Porchboard-Bass-CL.html > > > > > __________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 14 03:20:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CABB03BED5; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 03:20:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?The_PiNG_presents_S=F6ftware_with_Toastybird_Visuals?= Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:20:47 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000101c5e8ca$68a356a0$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: <9PFad.A.3v.oJAeDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 03:20:08 +0000 (UTC) Jamie and I send thanks to everyone who came out for the dreamSTATE show last week at the PiNG. Those of you who were digging the Moogs will not want to miss this week's show by S=F6ftware - where soaring, looping guitar will join with the synths and sequencers. ~ Scott M2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday November 15th - S=F6ftware with Toastybird Visuals Join S=F6ftware in an evening of electronic music & exhilarating video performance. Influenced by European progressive electronic rock, jazz, folk & classical, S=F6ftware weaves a sonic tapestry in their own style of improvisation. Sometimes ambient, sometimes not, always spontaneous and captivating to watch - sequencers scanning, MiniMoogs screaming, guitar strings vibrating and Toastybird Visuals providing live video projections. Check out the S=F6ftware website for more information, pictures & mp3s of past PiNG performances at: http://www.techno-jazz.com Between Sets CD - "Terraforms" by Sylken We have an advance copy of the new Sylken CD being launched next week & will give you a sneak preview between sets this week. It's a beauty. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday Nov. 22nd - Sylken with URM & Anomalous Disturbances http://www.anomalousdisturbances.com=20 http://www.sylken.ca=20 http://www.urm.ca=20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Degrees of Separation" by The Circular Ruins In my opinion Anthony Paul Kirby has proven time and time again that he is an impressive musical talent with a firm understanding of ambient /electronic ideals. Over the years his work as both The Circular Ruins and Lammergeyer has delighted and inspired me, leaving both a strong impression and a tremendous appreciation for his work. And so it should come as no surprise that I'm delighted by his latest release as The Circular Ruins "Degrees of Separation". It's a stunning collection that stands up with the best of Kirby's catalogue, continuing and developing on the work that he's done in the past. The long form piece "Epiphenomena" opens the disc, a masterful blend of drone and melody interspersed with infrequent samples. It's a fascinating work that unfolds over the course of it's sixteen plus minutes, where a bed of dark ambience anchors the track while lighter tones rise up to break the surface. Melodic phrases and occasional notes run throughout the track providing touchstones and reference points for the work as a whole, giving suggestions of theme and ideal, but never giving the plot away so much that you can't imbue it with your own meaning, your own understanding. The title track "Degrees of Seperation" follows, a study in connectivity where form and pattern is created by association. It's a very dense piece with many levels all blending together in a loosely woven mix, masterfully assembled in such a way as to form bonds between it's elements while still allowing for those same elements to retain a certain distinction between them. Track three, "Doon Hill", is a fine example of locational ambience, a piece meant to evoke the memory of a particular magical spot in Scotland where the barriers between our world and Faerie are thinner than the norm. While I've never visited Doon Hill myself, Kirby has done an excellent job in recreating it's charms enough so that I feel I've been there in some way. Maybe seeing such a magical environment in my mind's eye makes it even more real to me than an actual physical visit? Either way it's a testimony to Kirby's talent that I can feel so connected to this space. "Empty Hands" uses oblique motion as a backdrop for a series of subtle arpeggios and almost jazzy riffs. Beautiful and bright in it's presentation, "Empty Hands" brings to mind future possibilities and hope, the chance to go beyond our limitations to create something new and better. The fifth track "Departure" moves away from the drone textures used in earlier tracks, opting instead to use a burbling synth that plays underneath a series of beautifully sweeping pads. Sublime & lovely, this one is surely my favourite track on the disc. "Darkness Between Them" follows in a similar pattern, employing sweeps and sustained notes to maximum effect. The track seems to exist as a companion piece to the earlier "Degrees of Separation", but where that track suggested connectivity this one gives the impression of isolation between it's elements, a strong feeling of separate existence. Still beautiful, still inspiring, but perhaps with a touch more regret in it's charms. "Subspace-Overdrive" closes the disc, a flight into space and all of the mystery that entails. Twinkling stars, meteor dust, nebulae and more, it's the sound of the heavens, the sound of beyond. A charming excursion outside of our selves and a wonderful way to close the disc. Without doubt, "Degrees of Separation" is a stunning collection that re-enforces my belief that Kirby is one of the most significant ambient/electronic artists working today. All of the tracks on this disc give pause for thought, reflection, and contemplation, all of them send the mind reeling with possibility and opportunity. An essential work by an essential talent. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com =3D ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 14 06:58:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6F903BED9; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 06:58:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <019c01c5e8e8$e489a5d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: DRIVE the LOOP or be DRIVEN? (was: re: Synchronizing Real Time Drumming with a Prerecorded Loop was Re: query 'real time live looping') Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:59:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 06:58:59 +0000 (UTC) Travis wrote: "Of course it's not just a dedicated monitor you'll want for the drummer, but also a dedicated mix for that monitor, so you'll need a dedicated power amp channel and a mixer that can handle two monitor submixes." ************************************* Thanks for saying that Travis.................it's hard to convey how hard a thing to accomplish this is.............my experience is that, pretty much, unless you have all your ducks lined up (good separate mix monitoring, a drummer willing to learn how to play to loops and practising it) that it is very, very problematic accomplishing the goal. I just played with my brother for my Dad's 80th b-day bash............we had adequate monitoring but the same mix. I layed down a drum loop..........he came in slightly louder than the loop and immediately we started to drift from one another. It was very difficult. Even having the directionality of one monitor with the loop in it only and one monitor with the normal full band monitoring makes a huge difference. Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 14 07:03:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C554A3BED9; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:03:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Recordings from the Y2K5 International Live Looping Festival in Santa Cruz Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:02:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01C5E8F1.D1A17930" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcXo6ILXaA9VBdc2RZCMJ6A1Pcv0GgAALo9g In-Reply-To: <192.4d0d8545.30a91dcc@aol.com> X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:03:26 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.74.24 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <20051114070302.355633BED0@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:03:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C5E8F1.D1A17930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wonderful ... just wondering, Bernhard - are there any news from the Zurich recordings? -michael peters ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C5E8F1.D1A17930 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    wonderful ...
     
    just wondering, Bernhard - are there any news from the Zurich=20 recordings?
     
    -michael peters
    ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C5E8F1.D1A17930-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 14 07:33:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D80F23BEDB; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:33:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01d601c5e8ed$ac8297a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re:DRIVE the LOOP or be DRIVEN? Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 23:33:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:33:13 +0000 (UTC) Andy Butler wrote: "hi Rick It seems you're using the "nobody did it before, therefore you won't be able to do it" No Andy, my argument is that due to the inherent limitations of human nature (in terms of driving anything off of human timing) that it is a vastly more musically efficacious approach to have the drummer play off of the loop rather than try to control the loop by taking calculated timing from, say, the drummers kick drum. If you are skeptical of this statement then I enjoin you to download the midi tap tempo freeware plugin from Analogue X and practise tapping to music that you know that has a steady rhythm. Try as hard as you can and just be amazed at how much your rhythm timing will vary from beat to beat. Even when you take a program that averages your tempo over four beats or even four bars you will continue to vary your BPM. Why the human being is so much better at playing to a loop (or entraining with a human being) than the machine is to reading our playing and then sending out a sync pulse is because we stretch our rhythms to entrain in a way that it would be virtually impossible for a computer to read (at least in the forseeable future). I know that you are 'never say never' kind of guy (a quality I love about you, frankly) and there are always exceptions to the rule but I have been watching this phenomenon for all of my adult life and despite the great increase in computational power of todays micorprocessors I have yet to see anyone accomplish this in a way that sounds good musically. Som I'm not coming from a curmugeonly place.................I'm coming from a 'best advice I can give you with 25 years of experience' AND the honest solid desire I've had for years for people to solve this problem. That being said and done, I"m with you. I hope people don't quit trying. ******************* It's funny, but as much as I have always been an apologist for things like drum machines and machines that either replicate human played music or loop it, there are just somethings that a human being does that are much more sophisticated than current techology allows. Human entrainment just has it all over machine entrainment right now. As the software designer who tried to help Antares design a good voice to midi VST plugin said (and I paraphrase because I have only heard this anecdote 2nd hand)..............The inherent limitation of MIDI (16 channels with 127 increments for each channel) makes it so that such a VST is impossible.................the human voice just is too complex a phenomenon to be read well by a midi device....................This inherent limitation in midi (ever listened to midi controlled sequenced multi-samples of ride cymbals? ever heard one that sounded realistic?) was why Antares gave up on desinging that VST plugin. However, they did come up with KANTOS which was using the computer's powers to control a synthesizer (that did not rely on midi) so that it could read human voice and then drive the synth. It's fantastic, but still relatively simplistic in terms of how well it can process complex changes in timbre of the voice. Andy wrote: "One of the big difficulties is monitoring, as you rightly point out. ...but to a large extent the difficulty is due not to the inherent physics of playing music, but because music tends to be over-amplified, and 90% of PAs produce a sound so awful that it's actually quite hard to hear how close the timing is. For a group of musicians with their own high quality amplification set-up the problem could (with co-operation :-) be greatly reduced." You are correct here, absolutely..............but, again, it requires a substantial investment by someone and multiple monitoring busses.....................it's not impossible, but it is quite rare that people have these capabilities within a band. I remember playing a club years ago where every person on stage had a four channel monitor amplifier for their own personal monitor. You could just dial in your own monitor sound quickly on stage...........it was amazing. LOL, I've encountered that setup in one nightclub and in one recording studio in my entire life of playing professionally. One of the problems that comes up is that, say in the case of my playing with my brother the other night: In order for me to be able to play off of my original loop, I need it to be louder than his guitar playing or guitar loops plus his real time playing...............that mix is going to drive him nuts and prevent him from hearing himself well. Optimally,. I needed a monitor of myself alone and a monitor of his playing and he needed the exact same situation, independently controlled by each of us. this is great but requires much more setup time and also has the prerequisite that you have 1) the space on stage for it (we didn't) 2) the time to set it up (we didn't) and 3) the energy to set it up for that quicky gig (analagous to a 30 minute loop festival performance) (again, we didn't). This is pretty typical I would suggest. Andy wrote: ...but why wouldn't it work? Surely it's possible to renew synchronisation more often than once a bar. Yes, but if you'll read what I said (in my overlong post-------but then I'm afraid they're all overly long------) It is the discreetness of sampling that makes it 'unhuman'. I still say it's better for the drummer to learn how to play to the steady loop. Andy again: "It's also possible to chose sounds for the loop with a different sounding attack to what's going on in the live music, that would make any slight drift sound much less unpleasant." Well this is a very appropriate response unless you are playing music that is highly syncopated where the parts need to interlock rhythmically. When that is the case, you just can't fudge it. You are either locked up or you aren't and it sounds like hell when you are drifting...........................it's awful enough that I don't even attempt it. So, to sum it all up.....................more power to anyone who can solve the problem no matter how they solve it. This is just my best advice as a professional drummer who has seen such a setup fail in every situation I've ever encountered. I stand by my advice, but it's always nice to be proved wrong. I wish everyone luck with it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 14 07:44:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B4303BEE4; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:44:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <024801c5e8ef$38f22bf0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: RE: Recordings from the Y2K5 International Live Looping Festival in Santa Cruz Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 23:44:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 07:44:17 +0000 (UTC) Krispen is a god amongst men. Thanks so much for all the vast energy you put into the recordings and dissemination of the Y2K5 loopfest recordings. We are all very lucky to have you in our community, Kris! Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 14 08:12:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E41FE3BEE2; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:12:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <00e001c5e8ab$270a8660$6501a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <00e001c5e8ab$270a8660$6501a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Recordings from the Y2K5 International Live Looping Festival in Santa Cruz Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 09:12:18 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:12:22 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 14, 2005, at 0:37, Kris Hartung (Auth) wrote: > You guys must think I'm nuts... Who isn't...? ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 14 08:25:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD0CB3BEE1; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:25:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <01d601c5e8ed$ac8297a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <01d601c5e8ed$ac8297a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <75A856C9-BCD0-40D1-9CC5-0AF7C28F29D8@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: DRIVE the LOOP or be DRIVEN? Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 09:25:15 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <1pkflB.A.AR.unEeDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:25:18 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 14, 2005, at 8:33, loop.pool wrote: > due to the inherent limitations of human nature (in terms of > driving anything off of human > timing) that it is a vastly more musically efficacious approach to > have the drummer play off of the loop rather than try to control > the loop by taking calculated timing from, say, the drummers kick > drum. That's what I have experienced too, in 25 yrs recording humans and machines making noise together. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 14 12:30:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7ECF93BED3; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:30:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01da01c5e917$321b80b0$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <20051112082706.D558E3BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: cool flash music clip Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:30:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:30:32 +0000 (UTC) Hops..., someone anticipated me... Look at the presentation of my flash based site. I'm now working on the finger' sounds ....but it's too late to be "original" ! http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ Fabio Anile ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 9:26 AM Subject: cool flash music clip > http://www.arnelefant.de/iclip.html > > click the fingers. > > > -michael > (who wishes he could program cool stuff like that) > www.michaelpeters.de > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 14 17:32:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7C1B3BEDB; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:32:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=l4mdyfkteRP0ey0mXS6egQ0H1ixFzu9M4elecGQz/chzf/v8/q6Pqe6tJRMMvI9Z; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220051111417361260@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Hail to Kris RE: Recordings from the Y2K5 International Live Looping Festival in Santa Cruz Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:36:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940255e8829fb976e087ebf00b3414c8b9d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.60 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:32:01 +0000 (UTC) Yea, verily, our Kris is a god who walks humbly on the Earth like a man. With Respect, Tim > [Original Message] > From: loop.pool > To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) > Date: 11/14/2005 2:44:17 AM > Subject: RE: Recordings from the Y2K5 International Live Looping Festival in Santa Cruz > > Krispen is a god amongst men. > > Thanks so much for all the vast energy you put into the recordings and > dissemination > of the Y2K5 loopfest recordings. > > We are all very lucky to have you in our community, Kris! > > Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 14 17:47:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0ADA13BEDB; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:47:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [72.10.193.136] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <410-220051111417361260@earthlink.net> From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: NYC Gig Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:47:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2005 17:47:34.0788 (UTC) FILETIME=[7EB63C40:01C5E943] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:47:35 +0000 (UTC) Hi All, Alex Marculewicz (voice) and I will be playing as part of FLOW on Wednesday 11/16 night at the Lucky Cat in Williamsburg. The event starts at 7:30, the set will be about a 1/2 hour long. FLOW is a music/video series that connects musicians with video artists for a night of improvised sets. The LOU+AL show, Alex Marculewicz (voice) and Louis Rossi (touch guitar), is a combination of voice and guitar with loops and effects. Sometimes swerving towards melody and other times falling into pure noise. the Lucky Cat 245 Grand Street (between Driggs & Roebling) Williamsburg a map >>> http://www.theluckycat.com/directions.html Hope to see you there! Ps. Please visit myspace too: http://www.myspace.com/radiohvezda http://www.myspace.com/lourossi From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 14 19:24:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38DDF3BED9; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:24:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [80.170.192.113] X-Originating-Email: [totalrtt@hotmail.com] X-Sender: totalrtt@hotmail.com From: "total rtt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: the nice gig Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:24:21 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2005 19:24:21.0718 (UTC) FILETIME=[03E96F60:01C5E951] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:24:23 +0000 (UTC) hey loopers so nice http://www.guitarshredshow.com/ isn' it Daniel _________________________________________________________________ Conversations vidéo gratuites avec MSN Messenger ! http://www.imagine-msn.com/messenger/default2.aspx?locale=fr-fr From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 14 21:53:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 474E43BEDA; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:53:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-12.tower-83.messagelabs.com!1132005186!31874063!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8A99@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE:peaters/cfc's & housekeeping Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:53:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5E965.CB131000" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:53:21 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5E965.CB131000 Content-Type: text/plain I wonder if other repeater users have ever had this experience: I had cause to swap the cfc's out between my two repeaters, one of which is studio-based while the other stays with the live rig. they're both simpletech 128s &, very occasionally, give the "cfc too slow" message when I'm mucking about too much. when I returned to the studio with the cfc from the live rig, I thought I'd have a listen to what had accumulated in it after several gigs & no housekeeping. I tend to use the card rather than the internal memory, & we keep just a few pre-fabricated parts in there, so most of what I found were odd bits of noise, snatches of solos, keyboard pads, fretless basslines & just general random stuff. many of these bits are clearly audible in recordings of our gigs, but hearing the loops on their own in a different context was quite revealing, & it took me about an hour to work my way through them all.... fascinated, trying to recognise them. & then I started wondering how best to archive them, or work them into new pieces..... or whether I even should. a bit of a dilemma. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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    I wonder if other repeater users have ever had this exper= ience: I had cause to swap the cfc's out between my two repeaters, one of w= hich is studio-based while the other stays with the live rig.

    they're both simpletech 128s &, very occasionally, gi= ve the "cfc too slow" message when I'm mucking about too much.

    when I returned to the studio with the cfc from the live = rig, I thought         I'd have a listen= to what had accumulated in it after several gigs & no housekeeping.

    I tend to use the card rather than the internal memory, &= amp; we keep just a few pre-fabricated parts in there, so most of what I fo= und were odd bits of noise, snatches of solos, keyboard pads, fretless bass= lines & just general random stuff.

    many of these bits are clearly audible in recordings of o= ur gigs, but hearing the loops on their own in a different context was quit= e revealing, & it took me about an hour to work my way through them all= .... fascinated, trying to recognise them.

    & then I started wondering how best to archive them, = or work them into new pieces..... or whether I even should.

    a bit of a dilemma.

    duncan.





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    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5E965.CB131000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 14 22:29:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 567633BEDD; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:29:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:48:06 +0000 Subject: re: DRIVE the LOOP or be DRIVEN? From: jeremy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051113041309.B66AE3BF11@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:29:14 +0000 (UTC) A few strategies I'd like to throw into the pot..... Rather than expecting the drummer or other players to follow your loops, why not make your loops in such as way that you can follow them? For example, 1. Make it a strategy to be able to stop and restart your loop without derailing the piece. With the EDP one can re-define the start point of even the most freeform loop and then stop and restart it in time with the drummer. It's possible to make this musically significant and a feature. 2. Remake your loops regularly, plan to only use a limited number of repetitions. If you want chord sequence backing then record each chord into a different loop location and trigger via MIDI. EDP "Flip" mode is interesting. You can do a similar thing with a foot controller on the VF-1 where input to a short loop and it's feedback are on the same controller in opposite directions. 3. Include less rhythmic information that has to coincide with the drummer to sound "correct" or at least to not sound as if it's clashing. Leave a space in the overall dialogue for the drummer to say what he wants not what you expect him/her to say. 4. Sometime a much longer loop covering a larger structural unit of a piece will include those marginal pushes and pulls against the nominal tempo that mark out where you are in the overall scheme of things. (See Rick's earlier posts about syncing to click on a bar to bar timescale). 5. If the loop has sufficient rhythmic information then expect a more decorative approach from the drums. Let your expectations include the drummer playing across your loop, something different to your loop, something in response to it rather than the same as it. 6. Play more, loop less. Loop a part as a last resort rather than as soon as you can. Give a part to a looping device just long enough to attend to another thing and then take the part back again. 7. Tacet is good !!! Not really an answer to the original technical question but strategies that I have used in practice. Best wishes Jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk > From: Dan Ash > Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:53:11 -0500 > To: > Subject: re: DRIVE the LOOP or be DRIVEN? (was: re: Synchronizing Real Time > Drumming with a Prerecorded Loop was Re: query 'real time live looping') > >>> I've been following this discussion about > getting a drummer to sync to a loop or having a drummer > (or any musician) trigger a midi device that will then work off > of the drummers time (continually retriggering the loop).<< > > Thanks, Rick. I was thinking more along the lines of using the > tap-tempo device for small adjustments to the *tempo* when required - > rather than re-triggering all the downstream loops based on the > tap-tempo device. In my mind, this would mostly be used to begin a new > improv at a new tempo. > > It also implies a common language of cues so that the first set of loops > loop is faded or muted before a radical tempo change is counted/tapped-in. > > I am also encouraging encouraging the drummer to use drum loops as he > appears to be headed this way - although I wouldn't want an entire set > to be drum loops. He's got several midi controllers including a > gorgeous ZenDrum, and coulds contribute percussion, ambient textures and > melody on top of a basic drum loop. So tempo adjustments would be more > deliberate than simply trying to get back in the groove - although > hopefully that should be possible, too. > > I hadn't really considered the monitoring issue - since I fully expect > to be bringing the sound system I expect we can set up a dedicated > monitor for our rhythmist. > > Dan Ash > White Plains, NY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 14 22:43:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADB1A3BEDE; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:43:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vpyVdgH4q29iln09gvFHJ6bE3ikQwPKoeUvLhw71NeDH4PIwbeqxTZ0eBrmeJn3DLZghyZMmJvxE+bsYHlc0BchQ9EfiauLu/amcWJoo+AsOcWAMiXTKiKnNNNtCwo5aG7W/WIqMJsg421sAjkNL/8bJ+s2vRzVHOOGXUUhsrz4= ; Message-ID: <20051114224329.22283.qmail@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 14:43:29 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Recordings from the Y2K5 International Live Looping Festival in Santa Cruz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00e001c5e8ab$270a8660$6501a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:43:30 +0000 (UTC) No problem; this was actually the first time I've been able to get the links to Andy Butler's set to work. Can anyone point me to the performers' schedule so I can burn in simulation of the actual running order? (I seem to recall someone put a site together with all that stuff, but I can't find it.) -t- --- "Kris Hartung (Auth)" wrote: > You guys must think I'm nuts...after all the > correspondence with you on this page and the > recordings, and I send out this message? What > the.... > > This was supposed to go to the Boise Musicians Yahoo > Group, which I manage, not LD. Sorry about that. :) > > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kris Hartung (Auth) > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 2:10 PM > Subject: Recordings from the Y2K5 International > Live Looping Festival in Santa Cruz > > > The page below contains a good portion of the > recordings that I recorded from the Y2K5 > International Live Looping Festival last month in > Santa Cruz, plus others that one of my looping peers > captured off the webcast stream: > > http://www.boisemusicians.com/Y2K5_Recordings.htm > > There are some great clips on this site, and from > a lot of different type of loopers (guitarists, bass > players, vocalists, computer loopers, violin, sax, > etc) > > Cheers, > > Kris > > > Krispen Hartung > Improvisational Looping Guitarist > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com > Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 14 22:56:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70D9D3BEE4; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:56:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: Recordings from the Y2K5 International Live Looping Festival in Santa Cruz Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:56:31 +0100 Message-ID: <010c01c5e96e$a8a4e3a0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20051114070302.355633BED0@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:56:52 +0000 (UTC) Sorry, no, Michael. I am currently swamped with work. I've been lucky to treat myself to a = lot of live looping the last two years and I got to get back to "reality" ;) I'll let you know once I get something published. Thanks for asking! Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: Michael Peters [mailto:mp@mpeters.de]=20 Sent: Montag, 14. November 2005 08:03 To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: Recordings from the Y2K5 International Live Looping = Festival in Santa Cruz wonderful ...=20 =A0 just wondering, Bernhard - are there any news from the Zurich = recordings? =A0 -michael peters From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 15 07:35:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1892D3BEDD; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:35:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: EDP on German eBay Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:34:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcXptw/19R5W/xemT1K4Y71mYZrk/Q== X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Tue, 15 Nov 2005 08:35:21 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.120.142 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <20051115073517.778F23BED8@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:35:18 +0000 (UTC) http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7365941092 for 850 Euros (944 US$) ... seems expensive to me ... anyway are EDPs officially available at the moment, and for how much? -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 15 14:05:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDE493BEDD; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:05:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20051115073517.778F23BED8@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051115073517.778F23BED8@arsenic.violacea.com> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:04:53 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-UMS: email X-Mailer: TOI Kommunikationscenter V6-0-1 Subject: Re: EDP on German eBay From: "Manfred_Bohnhoff@t-online.de" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1Ec1Qb-0F6rcu0@fwd35.aul.t-online.de> X-ID: TtdMuYZD8eQPPpkhD7Ho2o9GGVkord4DAH787E50Rnt8AuY1wxTPk-@t-dialin.net X-TOI-MSGID: 68f6cb4e-11d3-4d82-8ab9-179a535f1d10 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:05:14 +0000 (UTC) anyway are EDPs officially available at the moment, and for how much? They seem to be. Check www.thomann.de and use the search function. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 15 14:20:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEADE3BEE1; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:20:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=htUL8LOCxkxqOyjMVFeeK1kBi62X60Fp8XtTjwIYcH5Ihuuf0m/gOcHAdGzmIKvTrNt4h46OP1+MfyOTUmakj3+dRvBORdGUhQiWpltnuJe+Yg/HTON7Fc0VGzPJEudY+gAicdedXHGbqeNV1xa8OiQrQYZIQ5WYT7F/YQXTPs8= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 06:20:26 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP on German eBay In-Reply-To: <20051115073517.778F23BED8@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051115073517.778F23BED8@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6Ds9JB.A.BUG.s6eeDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:20:28 +0000 (UTC) 1359 Euros new, so 850 doesn't sound that bad. TravisH On 11/14/05, Michael Peters wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D7365941092 > > for 850 Euros (944 US$) ... seems expensive to me ... anyway are EDPs > officially available at the moment, and for how much? > > -Michael > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 15 17:44:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE9A63BEEE; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:44:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <437A1ED5.5060704@Hevanet.com> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:45:57 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP Insert: Overdub, too? References: <20051114224329.22283.qmail@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051114224329.22283.qmail@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4JWZm.A.03D.55heDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:44:25 +0000 (UTC) On Loop IV, I've been digging Insert with Quantize: 8th, 8thBeat: 16, InsertMode: rPL. Wow. Question: instead of replacing those precise little chunks of sound, can I overdub them? What does InsertMode: h.SP mean, btw? Also, sometimes I get lost between looking in the EDP User's Guide (LD3.3.2) and the Loop IV Upgrade Guide (not saying I wouldn't get lost, anyway!)... Thnx, David. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 15 17:45:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2311E3BEF3; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:45:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=o/SnN1gWY/0DBbDERdi5gKw2DeW/B7D41tCnKU6EpA19kWd84xITxDLO1iAj1j0wMTdlIOc4c/W4y75qvuJvCysVduFAXvH9h0OXqcKFIA4iTsZpzTuNwcTUGeSRHVpN62Xem+TaB3jSsZUx6N/ghXE3ZFTTyW0dIl28saN0fzI= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:45:39 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Insert: Overdub, too? In-Reply-To: <437A1ED5.5060704@Hevanet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051114224329.22283.qmail@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <437A1ED5.5060704@Hevanet.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:45:56 +0000 (UTC) h.SP is half-speed mode. TravisH On 11/15/05, .David.Auker. wrote: > On Loop IV, I've been digging Insert with Quantize: 8th, 8thBeat: 16, > InsertMode: rPL. Wow. Question: instead of replacing those precise > little chunks of sound, can I overdub them? What does InsertMode: h.SP > mean, btw? Also, sometimes I get lost between looking in the EDP User's > Guide (LD3.3.2) and the Loop IV Upgrade Guide (not saying I wouldn't get > lost, anyway!)... > > Thnx, David. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 15 17:53:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0278A3BEF6; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:53:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <437A20FB.8090905@Hevanet.com> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:55:07 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Insert: Overdub, too? References: <20051114224329.22283.qmail@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <437A1ED5.5060704@Hevanet.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_TBwu.A.sME.KCieDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:53:14 +0000 (UTC) So that's an option in Insert, as well as MIDI button C 12 Speed button? Lots of ways to get around in the beast! Now, if I could only play guitar like > hey loopers > > so nice > > http://www.guitarshredshow.com/ > > isn' it > > Daniel ...but I'm just a keyboardist... David Travis Hartnett wrote: >h.SP is half-speed mode. > >TravisH > >On 11/15/05, .David.Auker. wrote: > > >>On Loop IV, I've been digging Insert with Quantize: 8th, 8thBeat: 16, >>InsertMode: rPL. Wow. Question: instead of replacing those precise >>little chunks of sound, can I overdub them? What does InsertMode: h.SP >>mean, btw? Also, sometimes I get lost between looking in the EDP User's >>Guide (LD3.3.2) and the Loop IV Upgrade Guide (not saying I wouldn't get >>lost, anyway!)... >> >>Thnx, David. >> >> >> >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 15 18:03:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB21F3BF05; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:03:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GFHIVQqLDf6Rd2NxC3eNM5GRfNNP0M85r5Xh9ydpM0rtxTX5JQiENedlcM1AndkWo+TbGgtZ4cAw44jHmn4JByoygpdfgD4N7KdqYtFAYGWKsfgGeqk9c8LVvzbU/TPc79wgkMiNT1b6r5x+5RDTYYAwTz4JQYGmoZ8kAPWZhZs= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:02:29 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Insert: Overdub, too? In-Reply-To: <437A20FB.8090905@Hevanet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051114224329.22283.qmail@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <437A1ED5.5060704@Hevanet.com> <437A20FB.8090905@Hevanet.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:03:06 +0000 (UTC) Yes, hanging it off Insert allows access from the EDP controller, and it's also available via MIDI. TravisH On 11/15/05, .David.Auker. wrote: > So that's an option in Insert, as well as MIDI button C 12 Speed > button? Lots of ways to get around in the beast! Now, if I could only > play guitar like > > > hey loopers > > > > so nice > > > > http://www.guitarshredshow.com/ > > > > isn' it > > > > Daniel > > ...but I'm just a keyboardist... > > > David > > Travis Hartnett wrote: > > >h.SP is half-speed mode. > > > >TravisH > > > >On 11/15/05, .David.Auker. wrote: > > > > > >>On Loop IV, I've been digging Insert with Quantize: 8th, 8thBeat: 16, > >>InsertMode: rPL. Wow. Question: instead of replacing those precise > >>little chunks of sound, can I overdub them? What does InsertMode: h.SP > >>mean, btw? Also, sometimes I get lost between looking in the EDP User'= s > >>Guide (LD3.3.2) and the Loop IV Upgrade Guide (not saying I wouldn't ge= t > >>lost, anyway!)... > >> > >>Thnx, David. > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 15 18:21:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A710A3BEFC; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:21:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: EDP Insert: Overdub, too? Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:20:21 +0100 Message-ID: <016701c5ea11$417ecda0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <437A1ED5.5060704@Hevanet.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:21:00 +0000 (UTC) > -----Original Message----- > From: .David.Auker. [mailto:DaVAuk@Hevanet.com] > Sent: Dienstag, 15. November 2005 18:46 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: EDP Insert: Overdub, too? >=20 > On Loop IV, I've been digging Insert with Quantize: 8th, 8thBeat: 16, > InsertMode: rPL. Wow. =20 Try InsertMode=3DSub, too: WWWOOOWWW ;) > Question: instead of replacing those precise > little chunks of sound, can I overdub them? =20 Andy Butler knows at least one way. Unfortunately, I didn't write down = his response when I asked him the exact same question... But it involved a particular LoopMode that required a plug in the Feedback Pedal Jack, = even if it doesn't have a pedal connected. I thought it was StutterMode, but = that one doesn't require a jack... See new EDP Manual p. 4-15 ff... > What does InsertMode: h.SP > mean, btw? Also, sometimes I get lost between looking in the EDP = User's > Guide (LD3.3.2) and the Loop IV Upgrade Guide (not saying I wouldn't = get > lost, anyway!)... The new Loop IV manual integrates the Loop IV features: http://www.gibson.com/Files/Downloads/PDFs/Gibson/EchoplexPlusManual12.pd= f I recommend using this new guide instead of the combination Loop III = manual + Upgraged Guide... Bernhard http://nosuch.biz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 15 19:01:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A8043BEEC; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:01:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: EDP Insert: Overdub, too? Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:50:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <016701c5ea11$417ecda0$2101a8c0@alhambra> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcXqE9sIEXidIoD8SCun6Z+6J2MqqQAAOBtQ Message-Id: <20051115184902.OWRQ17437.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:01:46 +0000 (UTC) Of course, with Loop=In, the pedal controls input, so you can overdub discretely this way. Gary > -----Original Message----- > From: .David.Auker. [mailto:DaVAuk@Hevanet.com]> > On Loop IV, I've been digging Insert with Quantize: 8th, 8thBeat: 16, > InsertMode: rPL. Wow. > Question: instead of replacing those precise > little chunks of sound, can I overdub them? Bernhard Wagner LD [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] replied: Andy Butler knows at least one way. Unfortunately, I didn't write down his response when I asked him the exact same question... But it involved a particular LoopMode that required a plug in the Feedback Pedal Jack, even if it doesn't have a pedal connected. I thought it was StutterMode, but that one doesn't require a jack... See new EDP Manual p. 4-15 ff... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 15 19:22:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CFEC3BEF3; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:22:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:22:30 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Sharing a controller pedal between 2 devices? From: David Trenkel To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <2A633C50-560D-11DA-B831-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:22:33 +0000 (UTC) Not quite on topic, but since this list has the highest concentration of smart gear geeks I know, I figured I'd ask before trying (and maybe frying). I have a Roland EV-5 continuous controller pedal that I'd like to use to control 2 devices, a Moogerfooger filter pedal and a Line 6 DL4. It works with either individually. Can I share it between both with a headphone splitter Y cable? The only problem I can think of is that one of the wires is carrying a voltage from the device to the pedal, if the output voltage is the same from both devices, I can clip one wire so only one device is sending to the pedal. I almost never use both devices together, and really only want to control one patch on the DL4. Am I being completely stupid here? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 15 19:26:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 462543BEFB; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:26:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UrA/7sakflY2hkXhZmiOn3tzm00L4Ze6JgPbC52ZzSBWgEaggRBN/Li/XAv7q3Kq50wcn+7NKlqJjDxA+PjhALjirpM6BV26rTZMhXKONbzuufIbn3sBvZDLCIDtOJCZVk/9Qy2PT7zU7T9Q3epR2cUcrwIv4hkz7jV55xv4i4M= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:26:27 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sharing a controller pedal between 2 devices? In-Reply-To: <2A633C50-560D-11DA-B831-000A95A5D158@peak.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <2A633C50-560D-11DA-B831-000A95A5D158@peak.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:26:41 +0000 (UTC) I use a Morley ABY box to share an EFC-7 between two EDPs, that might work in this case. TravisH On 11/15/05, David Trenkel wrote: > Not quite on topic, but since this list has the highest concentration > of smart gear geeks I know, I figured I'd ask before trying (and maybe > frying). > > I have a Roland EV-5 continuous controller pedal that I'd like to use > to control 2 devices, a Moogerfooger filter pedal and a Line 6 DL4. It > works with either individually. Can I share it between both with a > headphone splitter Y cable? The only problem I can think of is that one > of the wires is carrying a voltage from the device to the pedal, if the > output voltage is the same from both devices, I can clip one wire so > only one device is sending to the pedal. I almost never use both > devices together, and really only want to control one patch on the DL4. > Am I being completely stupid here? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 15 19:44:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B27B53BEF3; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:44:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <437A3B0D.2070509@Hevanet.com> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:46:21 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Insert: Overdub, too? References: <016701c5ea11$417ecda0$2101a8c0@alhambra> In-Reply-To: <016701c5ea11$417ecda0$2101a8c0@alhambra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:44:28 +0000 (UTC) Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: >The new Loop IV manual integrates the Loop IV features: >http://www.gibson.com/Files/Downloads/PDFs/Gibson/EchoplexPlusManual12.pdf > >I recommend using this new guide instead of the combination Loop III manual >+ Upgraged Guide... > >Bernhard >http://nosuch.biz > Ahhh,,, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 15 20:26:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7DCA3BEE8; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 20:26:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <437A1ED5.5060704@Hevanet.com> References: <20051114224329.22283.qmail@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <437A1ED5.5060704@Hevanet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1D51AC9D-E540-4238-89B2-754709AA6A33@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP Insert: Overdub, too? Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 21:26:14 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <2MXizC.A.94.NSkeDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 20:26:53 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 15, 2005, at 18:45, .David.Auker. wrote: > On Loop IV, I've been digging Insert with Quantize: 8th, 8thBeat: > 16, InsertMode: rPL. Wow. Question: instead of replacing those > precise little chunks of sound, can I overdub them? That's my latest EDP Love! Running it "rPL." mode. That's only possible if you stick a plug into the feedback jack at the rear. The front panel then becomes the relative volume balancer between background and new inserted slices. You use "insert" with the insert button function set to SUB as usual for this. With the knob all left it is just the good ole SUB but the more you turn it right the more the punch-ins tend to be like traditional overdub. I just wish that balancing functionality would have been implemented as a MIDI parameter. It's very cool IMO ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 15 20:53:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A21813BEEA; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 20:53:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:53:47 -0800 Subject: Re: Sharing a controller pedal between 2 devices? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 20:53:50 +0000 (UTC) On Tuesday, November 15, 2005, at 11:26 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > I use a Morley ABY box to share an EFC-7 between two EDPs, that might > work in this case. > > > I'd thought about that, but the EV-5 has a 3-conductor, TRS output, and I don't know of any off the shelf TRS ABY boxes. Also, I don't really have space on my pedalboard for another box. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 15 23:22:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FC1F3BED8; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:22:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <437A6E1C.5080105@Hevanet.com> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:24:12 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Insert: Overdub, too? References: <20051114224329.22283.qmail@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <437A1ED5.5060704@Hevanet.com> <1D51AC9D-E540-4238-89B2-754709AA6A33@boysen.se> In-Reply-To: <1D51AC9D-E540-4238-89B2-754709AA6A33@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:22:19 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > > On Nov 15, 2005, at 18:45, .David.Auker. wrote: > >> On Loop IV, I've been digging Insert with Quantize: 8th, 8thBeat: >> 16, InsertMode: rPL. Wow. Question: instead of replacing those >> precise little chunks of sound, can I overdub them? > > > > That's my latest EDP Love! Running it "rPL." mode. That's only > possible if you stick a plug into the feedback jack at the rear. The > front panel then becomes the relative volume balancer between > background and new inserted slices. You use "insert" with the insert > button function set to SUB as usual for this. With the knob all left > it is just the good ole SUB but the more you turn it right the more > the punch-ins tend to be like traditional overdub. I just wish that > balancing functionality would have been implemented as a MIDI > parameter. It's very cool IMO ;-) > > Per, I tried this, but to no avail. When you say "plug into the feedback jack," do you mean expression pedal? I've got one in there, and my feedback is indicated on the display window when I use it. But when I turn the actual feedback knob on the front panel, I get no change in amount of Insert's effect (it's 100% replace). Very foxy, but not the overdubbing I think we're talking about. Additional question: when this works for you, are you getting any "relative volume balancer" amount in the display window? A sunny afternoon in Portland David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 15 23:54:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A2DE3BED6; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:54:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:54:08 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: James Richardson Disposition-Notification-To: James Richardson Subject: Lexicon Vortex f.s./ value? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.05-S () Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:54:25 +0000 (UTC) I bought a Lexicon Vortex at the same time as my JamMan. Unlike the JamMan, the Vortex went virtually unused. Accordingly, I have a pristine Vortex which I'm now thinking of selling on ebay. Condition is effectively as new. I have the original box, the foot pedal, the cable, the manual, and the power supply. The power supply is UK rated; but one of the few advantages of wall warts is that at least they can be easily substituted for overseas use. I'd be interested in any views as to value. Also, if anyone is interested in purchasing privately, before it goes onto ebay, please feel free to make me an offer off list. Thanks James -- James Richardson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 15 23:56:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1DD83BEC2; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:56:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DLxQaiI0ZPjCUA3IreGP2pjN4wm4btjvbI3tIoKzdIVZ7gju2AsQWhfBgg+/ss/ApXfRBuiMA3UKfE3t+aYzDNkNVqZ3Hh/iQ4/fXGbYqCEkwlFfcqefbvvp2w9W6bSUxj3BmGFlXsoc4+gmoBpAHOTjtYSUPZ/QYeljLlZ9AWA= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:56:46 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lexicon Vortex f.s./ value? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:56:48 +0000 (UTC) I'd expect to get about $200 in the states for one. TravisH On 11/15/05, James Richardson wrote: > I bought a Lexicon Vortex at the same time as my JamMan. > > Unlike the JamMan, the Vortex went virtually unused. > > Accordingly, I have a pristine Vortex which I'm now thinking of selling > on ebay. > > Condition is effectively as new. I have the original box, the foot > pedal, the cable, the manual, and the power supply. > > The power supply is UK rated; but one of the few advantages of wall > warts is that at least they can be easily substituted for overseas use. > > I'd be interested in any views as to value. > > Also, if anyone is interested in purchasing privately, before it goes > onto ebay, please feel free to make me an offer off list. > > Thanks > > James > > > -- > James Richardson > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 16 07:12:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18D903BED9; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 07:12:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <437A6E1C.5080105@Hevanet.com> References: <20051114224329.22283.qmail@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <437A1ED5.5060704@Hevanet.com> <1D51AC9D-E540-4238-89B2-754709AA6A33@boysen.se> <437A6E1C.5080105@Hevanet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3D4677F5-3C34-4044-9B96-E824334B2343@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP Insert: Overdub, too? Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:12:19 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <-huRZ.A.dAE.WvteDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 07:12:22 +0000 (UTC) > Per Boysen wrote: >> >> On Nov 15, 2005, at 18:45, .David.Auker. wrote: >> >>> On Loop IV, I've been digging Insert with Quantize: 8th, >>> 8thBeat: 16, InsertMode: rPL. Wow. Question: instead of >>> replacing those precise little chunks of sound, can I overdub them? >> >> >> That's my latest EDP Love! Running it "rPL." mode. That's only >> possible if you stick a plug into the feedback jack at the rear. >> The front panel then becomes the relative volume balancer >> between background and new inserted slices. You use "insert" with >> the insert button function set to SUB as usual for this. With the >> knob all left it is just the good ole SUB but the more you turn >> it right the more the punch-ins tend to be like traditional >> overdub. I just wish that balancing functionality would have been >> implemented as a MIDI parameter. It's very cool IMO ;-) >> >> On Nov 16, 2005, at 0:24, .David.Auker. wrote: > Per, I tried this, but to no avail. When you say "plug into the > feedback jack," do you mean expression pedal? Hi David, No, I mean that I insert a dummy plug into that rear jack. For playing the EDP I use a midi pedal only (the Behringer FCB1010). Sorry about forgetting to add that part ;-) > I've got one in there, and my feedback is indicated on the > display window when I use it. But when I turn the actual feedback > knob on the front panel, I get no change in amount of Insert's > effect (it's 100% replace). INteresting! So then the functionality I'm using is only happening when controlling the EDP with MIDI while using a dummy plug in the feedback input jack, thus fooling Loop4 into thinking it is getting analog feedback pedal input. This seems to be another "happy accident" in the Loop4 architecture ;-) (any comments from the Aursiris people?) > Very foxy, but not the overdubbing I think we're talking about. > Additional question: when this works for you, are you getting any > "relative volume balancer" amount in the display window? No indication in the front window. Only the position of the knob to indicate the level of the old audio to be left under the new audio I'm substituting. And, as I said, with the button fully right there is 100 percent old audio left, which makes it work just as "quantized overdub". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 16 07:29:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B6943BEE0; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 07:29:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <437AE05B.4010305@Hevanet.com> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:31:39 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Insert: Overdub, too? References: <20051114224329.22283.qmail@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <437A1ED5.5060704@Hevanet.com> <1D51AC9D-E540-4238-89B2-754709AA6A33@boysen.se> <437A6E1C.5080105@Hevanet.com> <3D4677F5-3C34-4044-9B96-E824334B2343@boysen.se> In-Reply-To: <3D4677F5-3C34-4044-9B96-E824334B2343@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 07:29:46 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 16, 2005, at 0:24, I asked: >>> >> Per, I tried this, but to no avail. When you say "plug into the >> feedback jack," do you mean expression pedal? > > > > Hi David, > > No, I mean that I insert a dummy plug into that rear jack. For > playing the EDP I use a midi pedal only (the Behringer FCB1010). > Sorry about forgetting to add that part ;-) > >> I've got one in there, and my feedback is indicated on the display >> window when I use it. But when I turn the actual feedback knob on >> the front panel, I get no change in amount of Insert's effect (it's >> 100% replace). > > > > INteresting! So then the functionality I'm using is only happening > when controlling the EDP with MIDI while using a dummy plug in the > feedback input jack, thus fooling Loop4 into thinking it is getting > analog feedback pedal input. This seems to be another "happy > accident" in the Loop4 architecture ;-) (any comments from the > Aursiris people?) > > Shoot! I have my FCB Expression pedals tied up on Repeater, so am using a regular expression pedal for Feedback. I wonder why the dummy plug works...and, are you doing it for this exclusive purpose, or is it necessary for using the MIDI control for feedback, or what?... Must be morning in Sweden...it's late here. Over and out, David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 16 10:15:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B98713BECA; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:15:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:01:47 +0000 Subject: Re: Sharing a controller pedal between 2 devices? From: jeremy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051116072947.264C93BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: <7-90D.A.7iB.NbweDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:15:41 +0000 (UTC) Hi David, I'd think using an EV-5 with a headphone splitter would probably be a bad idea. You could try a "four pole double throw" switch to switch the EV-5 between the two units but there is a risk that either of both of the units might get confused by being disconnected and reconnected. I use a FV-50 (which is meant to be a stereo volume pedal) to control the feedback on two EDP. This is possible because there is a stereo (ganged) pot in it so each device is independent electrically. Regards Jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk > > From: David Trenkel > Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:22:30 -0800 > To: > Subject: Sharing a controller pedal between 2 devices? > > Not quite on topic, but since this list has the highest concentration > of smart gear geeks I know, I figured I'd ask before trying (and maybe > frying). > > I have a Roland EV-5 continuous controller pedal that I'd like to use > to control 2 devices, a Moogerfooger filter pedal and a Line 6 DL4. It > works with either individually. Can I share it between both with a > headphone splitter Y cable? The only problem I can think of is that one > of the wires is carrying a voltage from the device to the pedal, if the > output voltage is the same from both devices, I can clip one wire so > only one device is sending to the pedal. I almost never use both > devices together, and really only want to control one patch on the DL4. > Am I being completely stupid here? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 16 10:28:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D304C3BED2; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:28:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051116091635.02da52e0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:25:30 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: EDP Insert: Overdub, too? In-Reply-To: <20051116072947.264C93BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051116072947.264C93BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <7TkSN.A.-9B.RnweDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:28:33 +0000 (UTC) David: >> I've got one in there, and my feedback is indicated on the >>display window when I use it. But when I turn the actual feedback >>knob on the front panel, I get no change in amount of Insert's >>effect (it's 100% replace). Per >INteresting! So then the functionality I'm using is only happening >when controlling the EDP with MIDI while using a dummy plug in the >feedback input jack, thus fooling Loop4 into thinking it is getting >analog feedback pedal input. This seems to be another "happy >accident" in the Loop4 architecture ;-) In rPL mode the feedback pedal works in a different way to usual. (you hear the effect of the feedback change without having to wait for the loop to go round) So Matthias wanted to use the (otherwise unused) feedback control on the panel to turn Substitute into Overdub. So not an accident. Claude Voit is the pioneer of the dummy jack, and Andre Lafosse worked out to use the technique with 8th Replace. This addition to Substitute (when a pedal is used) is also available in Stutter Mode, and is explained in the Stutter Mode section of the manual. andy butler www.andybutler.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 16 11:36:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 732DF3BEC7; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:36:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051116091635.02da52e0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> References: <20051116072947.264C93BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051116091635.02da52e0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1583FAAE-2872-4845-84AF-B90011CF6511@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP Insert: Overdub, too? Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:36:28 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:36:32 +0000 (UTC) > David: > >>> I've got one in there, and my feedback is indicated on the >>> display window when I use it. But when I turn the actual feedback >>> knob on the front panel, I get no change in amount of Insert's >>> effect (it's 100% replace). > > Per > >> INteresting! So then the functionality I'm using is only happening >> when controlling the EDP with MIDI while using a dummy plug in the >> feedback input jack, thus fooling Loop4 into thinking it is getting >> analog feedback pedal input. This seems to be another "happy >> accident" in the Loop4 architecture ;-) > On Nov 16, 2005, at 11:25, a k butler wrote: > In rPL mode the feedback pedal works in a different way to usual. > (you hear the effect of the feedback change without having to wait > for the loop to go round) Aha.... I always thought that sentence in the manual addresses only the use of an analog feedback pedal? Is it intended to work the same way by MIDI control as by using an analog feedback pedal? > So Matthias wanted to use the (otherwise unused) feedback control > on the panel > to turn Substitute into Overdub. > So not an accident. > Claude Voit is the pioneer of the dummy jack, > and Andre Lafosse worked out to use the technique with 8th Replace. 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    ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C5EABF.4E68A0A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 16 15:08:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3AC23BED2; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:08:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005101c5eabf$9a3ed7b0$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Lexicon Vortex f.s./ value? Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 10:05:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:08:07 +0000 (UTC) www.prepal.com is a good place to check out used (ebay) musical equipment prices. They list the Vortex at $156. That's about what I was seeing on ebay when I was looking for one. I saw a JamMan at the Philly guitar show on saturday for $600. I think that was WAY high. I also saw a $250,000 Les Paul, so there ya go. ;) And, I wanted to send a thanks to Rick W for posting about the Alesis ModFX on MF. I now own all but the Smashup. Some VERY strange noises were coming out of my studio last night. mwahahaha. Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Richardson" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:54 PM Subject: Lexicon Vortex f.s./ value? >I bought a Lexicon Vortex at the same time as my JamMan. > > Unlike the JamMan, the Vortex went virtually unused. > > Accordingly, I have a pristine Vortex which I'm now thinking of selling on > ebay. > > Condition is effectively as new. I have the original box, the foot pedal, > the cable, the manual, and the power supply. > > The power supply is UK rated; but one of the few advantages of wall warts > is that at least they can be easily substituted for overseas use. > > I'd be interested in any views as to value. > > Also, if anyone is interested in purchasing privately, before it goes onto > ebay, please feel free to make me an offer off list. > > Thanks > > James > > > -- > James Richardson > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 16 16:11:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F8983BEDF; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:11:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <012c01c5eac8$6913a0e0$6401a8c0@obunny> From: "Dave O'Heare" To: References: <005101c5eabf$9a3ed7b0$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> Subject: On PrePal, was Re: Lexicon Vortex f.s./ value? Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:11:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0129_01C5EA9E.7F4CD040" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Resent-Message-ID: <2c5_dC.A.m-C.lo1eDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:11:17 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0129_01C5EA9E.7F4CD040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Be warned, folks, Prepal seems to be dead. The pages say "Last = regenerated on 12-30-2004", there seems to be no action on anything, and = there is no response from the contact page. Dave O'H ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tony K=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 10:05 AM Subject: Re: Lexicon Vortex f.s./ value? www.prepal.com is a good place to check out used (ebay) musical = equipment=20 prices. They list the Vortex at $156. That's about what I was seeing on ebay = when I=20 was looking for one. I saw a JamMan at the Philly guitar show on saturday for $600. I = think that=20 was WAY high. I also saw a $250,000 Les Paul, so there ya go. ;) And, I wanted to send a thanks to Rick W for posting about the Alesis = ModFX=20 on MF. I now own all but the Smashup. Some VERY strange noises were = coming=20 out of my studio last night. mwahahaha. Tony ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "James Richardson" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:54 PM Subject: Lexicon Vortex f.s./ value? >I bought a Lexicon Vortex at the same time as my JamMan. > > Unlike the JamMan, the Vortex went virtually unused. > > Accordingly, I have a pristine Vortex which I'm now thinking of = selling on=20 > ebay. > > Condition is effectively as new. I have the original box, the foot = pedal,=20 > the cable, the manual, and the power supply. > > The power supply is UK rated; but one of the few advantages of wall = warts=20 > is that at least they can be easily substituted for overseas use. > > I'd be interested in any views as to value. > > Also, if anyone is interested in purchasing privately, before it = goes onto=20 > ebay, please feel free to make me an offer off list. > > Thanks > > James > > > --=20 > James Richardson >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0129_01C5EA9E.7F4CD040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Be warned, folks, Prepal seems to be = dead. =20 The pages say "Last regenerated on 12-30-2004", there seems to be no = action on=20 anything, and there is no response from the contact page.
     
    Dave O'H
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Tony K=20
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, November 16, = 2005 10:05=20 AM
    Subject: Re: Lexicon Vortex = f.s./=20 value?

    www.prepal.com is = a good=20 place to check out used (ebay) musical equipment =
    prices.

    They list=20 the Vortex at $156. That's about what I was seeing on ebay when I =
    was=20 looking for one.

    I saw a JamMan at the Philly guitar show on = saturday=20 for $600.  I think that
    was WAY high.  I also saw a = $250,000 Les=20 Paul, so there ya go. ;)

    And, I wanted to send a thanks to Rick = W for=20 posting about the Alesis ModFX
    on MF.  I now own all but the=20 Smashup.  Some VERY strange noises were coming
    out of my = studio last=20 night.  mwahahaha.

    Tony


    ----- Original Message = -----=20
    From: "James Richardson" <james@jaidee.demon.co.uk>=
    To:=20 <Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com>
    Sent:=20 Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:54 PM
    Subject: Lexicon Vortex f.s./=20 value?


    >I bought a Lexicon Vortex at the same time as my = JamMan.
    >
    > Unlike the JamMan, the Vortex went virtually=20 unused.
    >
    > Accordingly, I have a pristine Vortex which = I'm now=20 thinking of selling on
    > ebay.
    >
    > Condition is = effectively=20 as new.  I have the original box, the foot pedal,
    > the = cable, the=20 manual, and the power supply.
    >
    > The power supply is UK = rated;=20 but one of the few advantages of wall warts
    > is that at least = they can=20 be easily substituted for overseas use.
    >
    > I'd be = interested in=20 any views as to value.
    >
    > Also, if anyone is interested = in=20 purchasing privately, before it goes onto
    > ebay, please feel = free to=20 make me an offer off list.
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    >=20 James
    >
    >
    > --
    > James Richardson
    >=20
    ------=_NextPart_000_0129_01C5EA9E.7F4CD040-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 16 16:22:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C3493BED6; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:22:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-78.messagelabs.com!1132158133!41452449!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8ABD@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Sharing a controller pedal between 2 devices? Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:22:12 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5EAC9.E6832E50" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:22:23 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5EAC9.E6832E50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" if you want the pedal to work on both devices at once, consider putting a stereo pot in the pedal so that they can be wired separately. a competent tech might be able to do this for you, & an imaginative one would put in some extra pots so that one control can be offset from the other for added flexibility. slightly different, but I use a common volume pedal for my midi stuff & my bass; the midi gear runs off one half of the pot while the other works as a passive volume control on the guitar input. this pedal was originally a standard stereo line volume pedal. duncan. -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] Sent: 15 November 2005 19:26 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sharing a controller pedal between 2 devices? I use a Morley ABY box to share an EFC-7 between two EDPs, that might work in this case. TravisH On 11/15/05, David Trenkel wrote: > Not quite on topic, but since this list has the highest concentration > of smart gear geeks I know, I figured I'd ask before trying (and maybe > frying). > > I have a Roland EV-5 continuous controller pedal that I'd like to use > to control 2 devices, a Moogerfooger filter pedal and a Line 6 DL4. It > works with either individually. Can I share it between both with a > headphone splitter Y cable? The only problem I can think of is that one > of the wires is carrying a voltage from the device to the pedal, if the > output voltage is the same from both devices, I can clip one wire so > only one device is sending to the pedal. I almost never use both > devices together, and really only want to control one patch on the DL4. > Am I being completely stupid here? > > *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5EAC9.E6832E50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Sharing a controller pedal between 2 devices?

    if you want the pedal to work on both devices at once, co= nsider putting a stereo pot in the pedal so that they can be wired separate= ly. a competent tech might be able to do this for you, & an imaginative= one would put in some extra pots so that one control can be offset from th= e other for added flexibility.

    slightly different, but I use a common volume pedal for m= y midi stuff & my bass; the midi gear runs off one half of the pot whil= e the other works as a passive volume control on the guitar input. this ped= al was originally a standard stereo line volume pedal.

    duncan.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com]
    Sent: 15 November 2005 19:26
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Re: Sharing a controller pedal between 2 device= s?


    I use a Morley ABY box to share an EFC-7 between two EDPs= , that might
    work in this case.

    TravisH

    On 11/15/05, David Trenkel <improv@peak.org> wrote:=
    > Not quite on topic, but since this list has the hig= hest concentration
    > of smart gear geeks I know, I figured I'd ask befor= e trying (and maybe
    > frying).
    >
    > I have a Roland EV-5 continuous controller pedal th= at I'd like to use
    > to control 2 devices, a Moogerfooger filter pedal a= nd a Line 6 DL4. It
    > works with either individually. Can I share it betw= een both with a
    > headphone splitter Y cable? The only problem I can = think of is that one
    > of the wires is carrying a voltage from the device = to the pedal, if the
    > output voltage is the same from both devices, I can= clip one wire so
    > only one device is sending to the pedal. I almost n= ever use both
    > devices together, and really only want to control o= ne patch on the DL4.
    > Am I being completely stupid here?
    >
    >



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    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5EAC9.E6832E50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 16 17:13:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 067343BEE0; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:13:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003e01c5ead1$0fec8370$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <012c01c5eac8$6913a0e0$6401a8c0@obunny> Subject: Re: On PrePal, was Re: Lexicon Vortex f.s./ value? Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:12:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01C5EAA7.015E9160" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:13:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C5EAA7.015E9160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well crap. Sorry about that folks! Tony "It's always something." - Rosanna Rosannadanna ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dave O'Heare=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 11:11 AM Subject: On PrePal, was Re: Lexicon Vortex f.s./ value? Be warned, folks, Prepal seems to be dead. The pages say "Last = regenerated on 12-30-2004", there seems to be no action on anything, and = there is no response from the contact page. Dave O'H ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tony K=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 10:05 AM Subject: Re: Lexicon Vortex f.s./ value? www.prepal.com is a good place to check out used (ebay) musical = equipment=20 prices. They list the Vortex at $156. That's about what I was seeing on ebay = when I=20 was looking for one. I saw a JamMan at the Philly guitar show on saturday for $600. I = think that=20 was WAY high. I also saw a $250,000 Les Paul, so there ya go. ;) And, I wanted to send a thanks to Rick W for posting about the = Alesis ModFX=20 on MF. I now own all but the Smashup. Some VERY strange noises = were coming=20 out of my studio last night. mwahahaha. Tony ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "James Richardson" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:54 PM Subject: Lexicon Vortex f.s./ value? >I bought a Lexicon Vortex at the same time as my JamMan. > > Unlike the JamMan, the Vortex went virtually unused. > > Accordingly, I have a pristine Vortex which I'm now thinking of = selling on=20 > ebay. > > Condition is effectively as new. I have the original box, the = foot pedal,=20 > the cable, the manual, and the power supply. > > The power supply is UK rated; but one of the few advantages of = wall warts=20 > is that at least they can be easily substituted for overseas use. > > I'd be interested in any views as to value. > > Also, if anyone is interested in purchasing privately, before it = goes onto=20 > ebay, please feel free to make me an offer off list. > > Thanks > > James > > > --=20 > James Richardson >=20 ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C5EAA7.015E9160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Well crap.  Sorry about that=20 folks!
     
    Tony
     
    "It's always something." - Rosanna=20 Rosannadanna
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Dave = O'Heare
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, November 16, = 2005 11:11=20 AM
    Subject: On PrePal, was Re: = Lexicon=20 Vortex f.s./ value?

    Be warned, folks, Prepal seems to be = dead. =20 The pages say "Last regenerated on 12-30-2004", there seems to be no = action on=20 anything, and there is no response from the contact page.
     
    Dave O'H
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Tony K=20
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, November 16, = 2005=20 10:05 AM
    Subject: Re: Lexicon Vortex = f.s./=20 value?

    www.prepal.com = is a good=20 place to check out used (ebay) musical equipment =
    prices.

    They=20 list the Vortex at $156. That's about what I was seeing on ebay when = I=20
    was looking for one.

    I saw a JamMan at the Philly guitar = show on=20 saturday for $600.  I think that
    was WAY high.  I also = saw a=20 $250,000 Les Paul, so there ya go. ;)

    And, I wanted to send a = thanks=20 to Rick W for posting about the Alesis ModFX
    on MF.  I now = own all=20 but the Smashup.  Some VERY strange noises were coming
    out = of my=20 studio last night.  mwahahaha.

    Tony


    ----- = Original=20 Message -----
    From: "James Richardson" <james@jaidee.demon.co.uk>=
    To:=20 <Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com>
    Sent:=20 Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:54 PM
    Subject: Lexicon Vortex f.s./=20 value?


    >I bought a Lexicon Vortex at the same time as = my=20 JamMan.
    >
    > Unlike the JamMan, the Vortex went virtually = unused.
    >
    > Accordingly, I have a pristine Vortex which = I'm now=20 thinking of selling on
    > ebay.
    >
    > Condition is=20 effectively as new.  I have the original box, the foot pedal, =
    >=20 the cable, the manual, and the power supply.
    >
    > The = power=20 supply is UK rated; but one of the few advantages of wall warts =
    > is=20 that at least they can be easily substituted for overseas=20 use.
    >
    > I'd be interested in any views as to=20 value.
    >
    > Also, if anyone is interested in purchasing=20 privately, before it goes onto
    > ebay, please feel free to = make me an=20 offer off list.
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    >=20 James
    >
    >
    > --
    > James Richardson
    >=20
    ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C5EAA7.015E9160-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 16 17:22:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18D753BEE8; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:22:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <437B6B2A.8030007@Hevanet.com> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:23:54 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Insert: Overdub, too? References: <20051116072947.264C93BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051116091635.02da52e0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051116091635.02da52e0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:22:00 +0000 (UTC) a k butler wrote: > In rPL mode the feedback pedal works in a different way to usual. > (you hear the effect of the feedback change without having to wait for > the loop to go round) > So Matthias wanted to use the (otherwise unused) feedback control on > the panel > to turn Substitute into Overdub. > So not an accident. > Claude Voit is the pioneer of the dummy jack, > and Andre Lafosse worked out to use the technique with 8th Replace. So (not to beat this into the ground...sorry!): sounds like you HAVE to use a dummy jack for this additional use of the feedback control on the panel. (I'm not complaining... David) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 16 17:37:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB4CE3BEE4; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:37:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: Lexicon Vortex f.s./ value? Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:39:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <005101c5eabf$9a3ed7b0$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> thread-index: AcXqv43i2jaakr5qR6qqPQ1Eq5AiiwAFFIyA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20051116173740.ECF5E3BED9@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:37:41 +0000 (UTC) I've been selling modded Reflex to upgrade them to jamman's. they've been going for 350-400. -----Original Message----- From: Tony K [mailto:bigtony@softhome.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 10:05 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lexicon Vortex f.s./ value? www.prepal.com is a good place to check out used (ebay) musical equipment prices. They list the Vortex at $156. That's about what I was seeing on ebay when I was looking for one. I saw a JamMan at the Philly guitar show on saturday for $600. I think that was WAY high. I also saw a $250,000 Les Paul, so there ya go. ;) And, I wanted to send a thanks to Rick W for posting about the Alesis ModFX on MF. I now own all but the Smashup. Some VERY strange noises were coming out of my studio last night. mwahahaha. Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Richardson" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:54 PM Subject: Lexicon Vortex f.s./ value? >I bought a Lexicon Vortex at the same time as my JamMan. > > Unlike the JamMan, the Vortex went virtually unused. > > Accordingly, I have a pristine Vortex which I'm now thinking of selling on > ebay. > > Condition is effectively as new. I have the original box, the foot pedal, > the cable, the manual, and the power supply. > > The power supply is UK rated; but one of the few advantages of wall warts > is that at least they can be easily substituted for overseas use. > > I'd be interested in any views as to value. > > Also, if anyone is interested in purchasing privately, before it goes onto > ebay, please feel free to make me an offer off list. > > Thanks > > James > > > -- > James Richardson > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 16 17:45:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 746C13BEFA; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:45:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=RVhLvvx/JyiQM4quWZh/0ulQcWfm6rwbm4C3YnISW19EMHw7LGsI5GrssAHKw/kUO2KH7G2JeGa3mU8iccDLJdbM+QJyCpnwPtX9P5uVwK0zV/y76AAs2eCI9KszPHOujplhO601sjPAKw50MOEoAOPvwhnGrT9BajxacLntigA= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:45:13 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lexicon Vortex f.s./ value? In-Reply-To: <20051116173740.ECF5E3BED9@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_26821_11268276.1132163113447" References: <005101c5eabf$9a3ed7b0$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> <20051116173740.ECF5E3BED9@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:45:19 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_26821_11268276.1132163113447 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline How do you mod a Reflex into a JamMan? On 11/16/05, Bill Edmondson wrote: > > I've been selling modded Reflex to upgrade them to jamman's. they've been > going for 350-400. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony K [mailto:bigtony@softhome.net] > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 10:05 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Lexicon Vortex f.s./ value? > > www.prepal.com is a good place to check out used > (ebay) musical equipment > prices. > > They list the Vortex at $156. That's about what I was seeing on ebay when > I > was looking for one. > > I saw a JamMan at the Philly guitar show on saturday for $600. I think > that > > was WAY high. I also saw a $250,000 Les Paul, so there ya go. ;) > > And, I wanted to send a thanks to Rick W for posting about the Alesis > ModFX > on MF. I now own all but the Smashup. Some VERY strange noises were comin= g > > out of my studio last night. mwahahaha. > > Tony > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Richardson" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:54 PM > Subject: Lexicon Vortex f.s./ value? > > > >I bought a Lexicon Vortex at the same time as my JamMan. > > > > Unlike the JamMan, the Vortex went virtually unused. > > > > Accordingly, I have a pristine Vortex which I'm now thinking of selling > on > > > ebay. > > > > Condition is effectively as new. I have the original box, the foot > pedal, > > > the cable, the manual, and the power supply. > > > > The power supply is UK rated; but one of the few advantages of wall > warts > > is that at least they can be easily substituted for overseas use. > > > > I'd be interested in any views as to value. > > > > Also, if anyone is interested in purchasing privately, before it goes > onto > > > ebay, please feel free to make me an offer off list. > > > > Thanks > > > > James > > > > > > -- > > James Richardson > > > > > > ------=_Part_26821_11268276.1132163113447 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline How do you mod a Reflex into a JamMan?

    On 11/16/05, Bill Edmondson <edmondson5@comcast.net> wrote:<= /span>
    I've been selling= modded Reflex to upgrade them to jamman's. they've been
    going for 350-4= 00.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Tony K [mailto:bigtony@softhome.net]
    Sent: Wednesday, Novem= ber 16, 2005 10:05 AM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Re: Lexicon Vortex f.s.= / value?

    www.prepal.com is a g= ood place to check out used (ebay) musical equipment
    prices.

    They= list the Vortex at $156. That's about what I was seeing on ebay when I
    was looking for one.

    I saw a JamMan at the Philly guitar show on= saturday for $600.  I think that

    was WAY high.  = ;I also saw a $250,000 Les Paul, so there ya go. ;)

    And, I wanted to= send a thanks to Rick W for posting about the Alesis ModFX
    on MF.  I now own all but the Smashup.  Some VERY s= trange noises were coming

    out of my studio last night.  mw= ahahaha.

    Tony


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "= ;James Richardson" < james@jaidee.demon.co.uk>= ;
    To: <Loopers= -Delight@loopers-delight.com>
    Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:= 54 PM
    Subject: Lexicon Vortex f.s./ value?


    >I bought a Lexicon = Vortex at the same time as my JamMan.
    >
    > Unlike the JamMan, th= e Vortex went virtually unused.
    >
    > Accordingly, I have a prist= ine Vortex which I'm now thinking of selling on

    > ebay.
    >
    > Condition is effectively as new. &n= bsp;I have the original box, the foot pedal,

    > the cable, the man= ual, and the power supply.
    >
    > The power supply is UK rated; bu= t one of the few advantages of wall warts
    > is that at least they can be easily substituted for overseas use.<= br>>
    > I'd be interested in any views as to value.
    >
    >= Also, if anyone is interested in purchasing privately, before it goes onto

    > ebay, please feel free to make me an offer off list.
    >> Thanks
    >
    > James
    >
    >
    > --
    > Jame= s Richardson
    >




    ------=_Part_26821_11268276.1132163113447-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 16 18:24:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94F1B3BEFA; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:24:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051116181409.02848550@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:22:27 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: EDP Insert: Overdub, too? In-Reply-To: <20051116162225.6A1D33BEEC@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051116162225.6A1D33BEEC@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:24:40 +0000 (UTC) >>In rPL mode the feedback pedal works in a different way to usual. >>(you hear the effect of the feedback change without having to wait >>for the loop to go round) > >Aha.... I always thought that sentence in the manual addresses only >the use of an analog feedback pedal? Is it intended to work the >same way by MIDI control as by using an analog feedback pedal? no, MIDI feedback only does feedback, MIDI loop vol only does loop vol to get use of the Interface Pedal Mode features you need the analog pedal. >Thank you for setting the EDP history records straight ;-) always give credit ;-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 16 18:25:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AEAC3BEF7; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:25:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: Lexicon Vortex f.s./ value? Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 13:26:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C5EAB1.75FAF860" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: thread-index: AcXq1YPLLuXKHe13Slmm5FuvFS1bJQAAwefw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20051116182553.144933BEEA@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1nodXB.A.9CG.ym3eDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:25:54 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C5EAB1.75FAF860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit New 32-second RAM, new custom ROM and a few hours of rework and testing. It works just like a Jamman (but uses a 3-button footswitch instead of two 2-button footswitches). The original Reflex ROM can still be inserted and used as a verb/delay (but only one at a time!). I have two in my rack at home and love it. _____ From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 12:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lexicon Vortex f.s./ value? How do you mod a Reflex into a JamMan? On 11/16/05, Bill Edmondson wrote: I've been selling modded Reflex to upgrade them to jamman's. they've been going for 350-400. -----Original Message----- From: Tony K [mailto:bigtony@softhome.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 10:05 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lexicon Vortex f.s./ value? www.prepal.com is a good place to check out used (ebay) musical equipment prices. They list the Vortex at $156. That's about what I was seeing on ebay when I was looking for one. I saw a JamMan at the Philly guitar show on saturday for $600. I think that was WAY high. I also saw a $250,000 Les Paul, so there ya go. ;) And, I wanted to send a thanks to Rick W for posting about the Alesis ModFX on MF. I now own all but the Smashup. Some VERY strange noises were coming out of my studio last night. mwahahaha. Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Richardson" < james@jaidee.demon.co.uk> To: Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:54 PM Subject: Lexicon Vortex f.s./ value? >I bought a Lexicon Vortex at the same time as my JamMan. > > Unlike the JamMan, the Vortex went virtually unused. > > Accordingly, I have a pristine Vortex which I'm now thinking of selling on > ebay. > > Condition is effectively as new. I have the original box, the foot pedal, > the cable, the manual, and the power supply. > > The power supply is UK rated; but one of the few advantages of wall warts > is that at least they can be easily substituted for overseas use. > > I'd be interested in any views as to value. > > Also, if anyone is interested in purchasing privately, before it goes onto > ebay, please feel free to make me an offer off list. > > Thanks > > James > > > -- > James Richardson > ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C5EAB1.75FAF860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    New 32-second RAM, new custom ROM = and a few hours of rework and testing. It works just like a Jamman (but uses a 3-button footswitch instead of two 2-button footswitches). The original = Reflex ROM can still be inserted and used as a verb/delay (but only one at a = time!). I have two in my rack at home and love it.

     

    From: = Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com]
    Sent: Wednesday, November = 16, 2005 12:45 PM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Re: Lexicon = Vortex f.s./ value?

     

    How do you mod = a Reflex into a JamMan?

    On 11/16/05, Bill Edmondson <edmondson5@comcast.net> wrote:

    I've been = selling modded Reflex to upgrade them to jamman's. they've been
    going for 350-400.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Tony K [mailto:bigtony@softhome.net]
    Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 10:05 AM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
    Subject: Re: Lexicon Vortex f.s./ value?

    www.prepal.com is a good place to = check out used (ebay) musical equipment
    prices.

    They list the Vortex at $156. That's about what I was seeing on ebay = when I
    was looking for one.

    I saw a JamMan at the Philly guitar show on saturday for = $600.  I think that

    was WAY high.  I also saw a $250,000 Les Paul, so there ya go. = ;)

    And, I wanted to send a thanks to Rick W for posting about the Alesis = ModFX
    on MF.  I now own all but the Smashup.  Some VERY = strange noises were coming

    out of my studio last night.  mwahahaha.

    Tony


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "James Richardson" < james@jaidee.demon.co.uk>=
    To: <Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com>
    Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 6:54 PM
    Subject: Lexicon Vortex f.s./ value?


    >I bought a Lexicon Vortex at the same time as my JamMan.
    >
    > Unlike the JamMan, the Vortex went virtually unused.
    >
    > Accordingly, I have a pristine Vortex which I'm now thinking of = selling on

    > ebay.
    >
    > Condition is effectively as new.  I have the original = box, the foot pedal,

    > the cable, the manual, and the power supply.
    >
    > The power supply is UK rated; but one of the few advantages of wall warts
    > is that at least they can be easily substituted for overseas = use.
    >
    > I'd be interested in any views as to value.
    >
    > Also, if anyone is interested in purchasing privately, before it = goes onto

    > ebay, please feel free to make me an offer off list.
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    > James
    >
    >
    > --
    > James Richardson
    >


     

    ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C5EAB1.75FAF860-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 16 18:44:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FD4B3BF07; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:44:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051116183040.028409d0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:42:39 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: EDP Insert: Overdub, too? In-Reply-To: <20051116182554.A6B9E3BF0E@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051116182554.A6B9E3BF0E@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 18:44:55 +0000 (UTC) >So (not to beat this into the ground...sorry!): sounds like you HAVE >to use a dummy jack for this additional use of the feedback control >on the panel. (I'm not complaining... > >David) it doesn't have to be a dummy jack, you can use a feedback pedal for real. Makes sense really, because without a pedal, the feedback knob controls ordinary feedback. If you use Expert Mode, then you can get a similar effect, with 100% feedback during play, and feedback from the knob setting on Overdub. ( but it's not Quantised this way, because Overdub isn't affected by Quantise) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 16 19:04:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D45623BF0D; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:04:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <437B8313.7030408@Hevanet.com> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:05:55 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Insert: Overdub, too? References: <20051116182554.A6B9E3BF0E@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051116183040.028409d0@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20051116183040.028409d0@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:04:01 +0000 (UTC) a k butler wrote: > >> So (not to beat this into the ground...sorry!): sounds like you HAVE >> to use a dummy jack for this additional use of the feedback control >> on the panel. (I'm not complaining... >> >> David) > > > it doesn't have to be a dummy jack, you can use a feedback pedal for > real. > > Makes sense really, because without a pedal, the feedback knob > controls ordinary feedback. Any special parameter settings I should be looking for to get this, since I do have a feedback pedal for real inserted to EDP's rear panel, and I didn't seem to have any difference in Insert: it always replace, not added (overdubbed)? Super effect, but the overdubbing of concise bits would be cool, too. I'll list some params I have currently set: Loop Q=8th 8th=16 (this differs, probably the one I change the most) R=tog O=tog RoundMode=off InsertMode rPL Mo'Loops=6 AutoRecord=off LoopCopy=Snd SwitchQuant=CnF David > > If you use Expert Mode, then you can get a similar effect, with > 100% feedback during play, and feedback from the knob setting on Overdub. > ( but it's not Quantised this way, because Overdub isn't affected by > Quantise) > > andy butler > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 16 20:12:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 228DB3BF0D; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:12:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2120.69.59.207.172.1132172445.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8ABD@lon-oxmail02> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8ABD@lon-oxmail02> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:20:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: Sharing a controller pedal between 2 devices? From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:12:44 +0000 (UTC) > slightly different, but I use a common volume pedal for my midi stuff & my > bass; the midi gear runs off one half of the pot while the other works as > a > passive volume control on the guitar input. this pedal was originally a > standard stereo line volume pedal. > duncan. > > Thanks Duncan and Jeremy for the ideas. 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 17 01:00:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DC9A3BEEE; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 01:00:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OtBgbW9sPWM9JcHHQprqidKDRwv3glwWcetSOnDb5RZEi4wT+gJgnpNAStd/ewBY2zSaPy4aX0mJbDa3up1a6HSQqPT3J+/a/80JrjKsTsIUY+aGsp11BRZ4TThFqmAjEPFG+Mg8tVXHgByL+rw0aJMS6KDCiaVqvNhri39Wir0= ; Message-ID: <20051117010058.6699.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 17:00:58 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: World instruments samples? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051114024946.BAAF03BECC@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 01:00:59 +0000 (UTC) In my move to software for my sequenced loops (Native Instrument's Battery 2 running in conjunction with Digital Performer, I've run into the issue that Battery doesn't come with any Indian/Asian/Pacific-Island... you know the deal. I've got TONS of trap kits and the like but I'm asking what ethnic/world instrument libraries people find to be good. If it's a virtual instrument it must be a Mac OSX deal. Thanks, Mark __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 17 01:10:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A88BC3BEFB; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 01:10:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:10:02 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] World instruments samples? In-Reply-To: <20051117010058.6699.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20051117010058.6699.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 01:10:33 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, 16 Nov 2005, mark sottilaro wrote: > In my move to software for my sequenced loops (Native > Instrument's Battery 2 running in conjunction with > Digital Performer, I've run into the issue that > Battery doesn't come with any > Indian/Asian/Pacific-Island... > > you know the deal. > > I've got TONS of trap kits and the like but I'm asking > what ethnic/world instrument libraries people find to > be good. If it's a virtual instrument it must be a > Mac OSX deal. Swarshala has been mentioned on this list, but I don't think it's been mentioned since they ported it to OS X. The library is called Swartra, avilable separately, and also is available for OS X. http://www.swarsystems.com/ regards, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 17 02:30:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBD483BEEC; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:30:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001b01c5eb1e$d26cd060$6ccaf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung (Auth)" To: References: <20051117010058.6699.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: World instruments samples? Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:30:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 383, in=167068, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:30:05 +0000 (UTC) I used an interesting Indian sequencing/sample program called SwarShala. http://www.swarsystems.com/SwarShala/ You don't have to use the sequencer either...you can just access the percussion, drone, tanbura, etc samples directly. I can send you a few of the samples on Friday, if you want to check them out. I'll zip a few up. Just send me an email. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 6:00 PM Subject: World instruments samples? > In my move to software for my sequenced loops (Native > Instrument's Battery 2 running in conjunction with > Digital Performer, I've run into the issue that > Battery doesn't come with any > Indian/Asian/Pacific-Island... > > you know the deal. > > I've got TONS of trap kits and the like but I'm asking > what ethnic/world instrument libraries people find to > be good. If it's a virtual instrument it must be a > Mac OSX deal. > > Thanks, > > Mark > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 17 03:10:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A159B3BEFC; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 03:10:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20051116220402.01ea25b0@mail.wightman.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 22:10:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: [LOOP] World instruments samples? In-Reply-To: References: <20051117010058.6699.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1AEE76F8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 03:10:53 +0000 (UTC) I've been using a software called TaalMala, just for tabla and Pakhawaj indian drum samples, they're tunable and of course you can set tempo's, you can also take the taals apart and reconfigure them to suit yourself and save the results. It's not too badly priced (60.00 for the full featured package) as well. They also have a larger program that includes 14 different Indian instruments, I think it's about 150.00 for the full package. http://www.taalmala.com/ Paul Haslem Ontario, Canada At 08:10 PM 11/16/2005, you wrote: >On Wed, 16 Nov 2005, mark sottilaro wrote: > >>In my move to software for my sequenced loops (Native >>Instrument's Battery 2 running in conjunction with >>Digital Performer, I've run into the issue that >>Battery doesn't come with any >>Indian/Asian/Pacific-Island... >> >>you know the deal. >> >>I've got TONS of trap kits and the like but I'm asking >>what ethnic/world instrument libraries people find to >>be good. If it's a virtual instrument it must be a >>Mac OSX deal. > >Swarshala has been mentioned on this list, but I don't think it's been >mentioned since they ported it to OS X. > >The library is called Swartra, avilable separately, and also is available >for OS X. http://www.swarsystems.com/ > >regards, >Steve B >http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 17 03:56:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 757C43BEFB; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 03:56:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003c01c5eb2a$f3f59940$6ccaf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung (Auth)" To: Subject: Re: World instruments samples? Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:56:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Aspam: For explanation see http://netwinsite.com/surgemail/aspaminfo.htm X-Aspam: Words 0.0 -chris -interface -kindly -https -solving -mails -registration -queue +yahoo X-Aspam: URLS scored 0.8 yahoo.com servername.com netwin.co.nz X-Aspam: Best match was sample c:\good\1052269076.289_200.ball X-Aspam: Total 0.8 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 381, in=162737, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 03:56:56 +0000 (UTC) Check out this little sucker... http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1317101.html I have 388MB of wav sample, just of the tabla, plus 5 other instruments. These and ACID can go a long way. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung (Auth)" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 7:30 PM Subject: Re: World instruments samples? > I used an interesting Indian sequencing/sample program called SwarShala. > > http://www.swarsystems.com/SwarShala/ > > You don't have to use the sequencer either...you can just access the > percussion, drone, tanbura, etc samples directly. > > I can send you a few of the samples on Friday, if you want to check them > out. I'll zip a few up. Just send me an email. > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mark sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 6:00 PM > Subject: World instruments samples? > > > > In my move to software for my sequenced loops (Native > > Instrument's Battery 2 running in conjunction with > > Digital Performer, I've run into the issue that > > Battery doesn't come with any > > Indian/Asian/Pacific-Island... > > > > you know the deal. > > > > I've got TONS of trap kits and the like but I'm asking > > what ethnic/world instrument libraries people find to > > be good. If it's a virtual instrument it must be a > > Mac OSX deal. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 17 06:16:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD9993BF0B; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:16:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PBEdqvlwCYezI8Sir8wYy9fERdYigz+LMY5tApFUCCq1QX/Tz1rsBs7L018K3FilJkRzKG0ON/l0TAD6Fvqlq47hIceDxtYwau+LcQenrqjfTDNxKm9pdldkSmMPBZLTiowTg5z8jDrrqDcY8SkiAIi1D8TcfMuiwVjrrAjKHOI= ; Message-ID: <20051117061615.28836.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 22:16:15 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: World instruments samples? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001b01c5eb1e$d26cd060$6ccaf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:16:17 +0000 (UTC) Kris id be interested as well! cheers Luis --- "Kris Hartung (Auth)" wrote: > I used an interesting Indian sequencing/sample > program called SwarShala. > > http://www.swarsystems.com/SwarShala/ > > You don't have to use the sequencer either...you can > just access the > percussion, drone, tanbura, etc samples directly. > > I can send you a few of the samples on Friday, if > you want to check them > out. I'll zip a few up. Just send me an email. > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mark sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 6:00 PM > Subject: World instruments samples? > > > > In my move to software for my sequenced loops > (Native > > Instrument's Battery 2 running in conjunction with > > Digital Performer, I've run into the issue that > > Battery doesn't come with any > > Indian/Asian/Pacific-Island... > > > > you know the deal. > > > > I've got TONS of trap kits and the like but I'm > asking > > what ethnic/world instrument libraries people find > to > > be good. If it's a virtual instrument it must be > a > > Mac OSX deal. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 17 06:52:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BC203BF13; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:52:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20051117010058.6699.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051117010058.6699.qmail@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: World instruments samples? Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:52:50 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:52:54 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 17, 2005, at 2:00, mark sottilaro wrote: > I've got TONS of trap kits and the like but I'm asking > what ethnic/world instrument libraries people find to > be good. If it's a virtual instrument it must be a > Mac OSX deal. At http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/audio/ you find downloads as: Tampura Software for Hindusthani and Karnatak music 1.0b14 (Demo). Software to generate a real tampura sound, with shruti and advanced metronome. Perfect tuning and easy pitch changing. Another good starting point to find audio samples is: http://www.musicbootcamp.com/audio_sample_library.shtml Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 17 07:03:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFF9B3BF02; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:03:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: World instruments samples? Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:03:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 thread-index: AcXrQ4lfZ8eg3ynGSR+h+/hwEM3pgwAARNAQ Message-ID: <0MKp2t-1Ecdnk0nMA-0003fj@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:03:22 +0000 (UTC) Don't forget the excellent Darbuka, @ http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/VirtualPercussionistDarbuka-main.html A very nice collection, indeed. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 17 11:17:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D17293BEDD; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:17:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <437C6721.2030502@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 06:18:57 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AIMusic Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-oJ3KC.A.GtB.vaGfDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:17:03 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ================================================================================ Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special Focus on Lambert, who is a German synthesist in the retro Berlin School style. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Essentials" on Spheric Music. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "The Four Seasons" by Patrick Gleeson on Varese Sarabande Records and released in 1982. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#nov All times are EST = GMT-5 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 17 12:04:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7222B3BEE4; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:04:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20051117120437156.264C91C001E7@mwinf0202.wanadoo.fr Message-ID: <437C71CE.6040205@addcom.de> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:04:30 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Macintosh/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DRIVE the LOOP or be DRIVEN? References: <01d601c5e8ed$ac8297a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <01d601c5e8ed$ac8297a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:04:39 +0000 (UTC) loop.pool wrote: > If you are skeptical of this statement then I enjoin you to download the > midi tap tempo freeware plugin from > Analogue X and practise tapping to music that you know that has a steady > rhythm. > Try as hard as you can and just be amazed at how much your rhythm timing > will vary from beat to beat. Because the software has no idea what a groove is, its not programmed that way. > Even when you take a program that averages your tempo over four beats or > even four bars you will continue to vary > your BPM. Same reason as above. > Why the human being is so much better at playing to a loop (or > entraining with a human being) than the machine > is to reading our playing and then sending out a sync pulse is because > we stretch our rhythms to entrain in a way > that it would be virtually impossible for a computer to read (at least > in the forseeable future). Certainly a computer would be able to do that, but I also have the problem, that I never found an "algorythm" to incorporate it into my Max patches. Though I think it should not be too difficult. It just has to do it like a good drummer does it. (So far all beat matching toys are just very bad drummers) The software has to predict when the next beat will come, and play its beat at that moment, then if its off, adjust its own modell to predict it better for the next beat. Just averaging the last beats will always lead to results which are too late. How else should you be able to track an acceleration or a ritardando? The other approach would be to give the drummer a pad to directly trigger the loop each time. You could even determine a stretch factor according to the time between triggers for the next playthrough of the loop... Just some thought of somebody who build usually his tools all by himself... 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Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 17 14:36:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BC9E3BEE2; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:36:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:36:29 -0500 (EST) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: shows Friday & Saturday, Durham & Chapel Hill NC Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:36:55 +0000 (UTC) Listmembers Adrian and I are playing Friday night as 2/3 of the ambient/industrial improv looping trio Subscape Annex in Durham NC. Friday night I play improv looping with the 16mm live video mechanical mixing of Projexorcism in Chapel Hill NC. Details below. Thanks for your time. best, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Two shows, this Friday and Saturday: 1) Subscape Annex plays ambient/industrial improvisational looping this Friday, Nov 18, at an art show opening at Kirk Adams' gallery inside of 305 South in Durham NC. Steve and Anthony are joined by Adrian Likins of Phasmatodea for the evening. Venue: Kirk Adams inside 305 South, Durham NC http://www.305southdurham.com/ Date: Friday Nov 18 Time: art show is 6pm - midnight. Music at 9pm, and another set at 10pm and ongoing. Cover: free. 2) Also, I play with Projexorcism on Saturday at the Nightlight in Chapel Hill NC. Other performances for the evening include The Upsidedown Stars, FLUTTER, Clang Quartet, and Ugly Dobro. Venue: Nightlight, Chapel Hill NC http://nightlight.dyss.net/ Date: Saturday November 19 Time: 10pm Cover: $5 URLs: http://www.rabbot.net/ http://www.multiultramedia.com/ http://www.subscapeannex.com/laocoon/ http://www.silbermedia.com/clangquartet/ http://www.myspace.com/uglydobro From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 17 14:51:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D9CB3BEDC; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:51:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051117144142.02d4e030@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:48:45 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: EDP Insert: Overdub, too? In-Reply-To: <20051117143655.D9A5A3BEE7@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051117143655.D9A5A3BEE7@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:51:16 +0000 (UTC) >>>So (not to beat this into the ground...sorry!): sounds like you >>>HAVE to use a dummy jack for this additional use of the feedback >>>control on the panel. (I'm not complaining... >>> >>>David) >> >> >>it doesn't have to be a dummy jack, you can use a feedback pedal for real. >> >>Makes sense really, because without a pedal, the feedback knob >>controls ordinary feedback. > >Any special parameter settings I should be looking for to get this, >since I do have a feedback pedal for real inserted to EDP's rear >panel, and I didn't seem to have any difference in Insert: it always >replace, not added (overdubbed)? Super effect, but the overdubbing >of concise bits would be cool, too. > >I'll list some params I have currently set: InsertMode to Sub (because rPL isn't substitute ;-) Loop/Delay should set to Stu or rPL either will make Subst work as O/D when feedback knob is full up. Now decide Stu only changes the way Insert works, so as you've got insertMode =Sub that's probably the best for you. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 17 15:13:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 486543BEEC; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:13:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <437C9E70.3040003@Hevanet.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:14:56 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Insert: Overdub, too? References: <20051117143655.D9A5A3BEE7@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051117144142.02d4e030@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20051117144142.02d4e030@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:13:01 +0000 (UTC) a k butler wrote: > >>>> So (not to beat this into the ground...sorry!): sounds like you >>>> HAVE to use a dummy jack for this additional use of the feedback >>>> control on the panel. (I'm not complaining... >>>> >>>> David) >>> >>> >>> >>> it doesn't have to be a dummy jack, you can use a feedback pedal for >>> real. >>> >>> Makes sense really, because without a pedal, the feedback knob >>> controls ordinary feedback. >> >> >> Any special parameter settings I should be looking for to get this, >> since I do have a feedback pedal for real inserted to EDP's rear >> panel, and I didn't seem to have any difference in Insert: it always >> replace, not added (overdubbed)? Super effect, but the overdubbing >> of concise bits would be cool, too. >> >> I'll list some params I have currently set: > > > > > > InsertMode to Sub > (because rPL isn't substitute ;-) > > > Loop/Delay should set to Stu or rPL > > either will make Subst work as O/D when feedback knob is full up. > > Now decide > Stu only changes the way Insert works, so as you've got insertMode > =Sub that's > probably the best for you. > > andy butler ******************************** Thanks, this looks very good. I'm using Loop=Stu right now, with feedback knob all the way to the right, and can Insert with O/D like you say. Nice for some "additive fun" (or, should I say "addictive?")! When changing parameters, I get a little spooked about "not being able to get back" to what I was familiar/comfortable with (though I've got it written down). And, since Stu only changes the way Insert works, I won't have to worry about finding the Ruby Slippers... .David. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 17 16:23:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 265E53BEF7; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:23:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=sG8iuT08Zly2SE74zWmj3CIUMS5OekWtBTlSRZMslFzFHxhc/5zqeOgI/oKqduO7LMGwGRDnD29XO31owPaY1MjOHNd1X1ugWT6/gvOgcGljxxWtum7jg8RpHVXcINQU1ziO/8WJUAvA14gGZo2Q0hQIouEWG/7sDw2G0cl6iqE= ; Message-ID: <20051117162244.54875.qmail@web34912.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:22:44 -0800 (PST) From: ditch wrestler Subject: spam alert To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1675527233-1132244564=:54180" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:23:01 +0000 (UTC) --0-1675527233-1132244564=:54180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Just thought I'd let you know that something or somebody's trawling for emails here - I got a bogus email from ebay about somebody trying to 'bruteforce' their way into my ebay account. Since ebay doesn't have this email account on their file, I thought something smelled phishy... So, as always, don't believe everything you read. If there a list admin that would like to see the email for evaluation purposes, let me know. ted harms. --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --0-1675527233-1132244564=:54180 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    Just thought I'd let you know that something or somebody's trawling for emails here - I got a bogus email from ebay about somebody trying to 'bruteforce' their way into my ebay account.  Since ebay doesn't have this email account on their file, I thought something smelled phishy...
     
    So, as always, don't believe everything you read.
     
    If there a list admin that would like to see the email for evaluation purposes, let me know.
     
     
    ted harms.

    Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --0-1675527233-1132244564=:54180-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 17 19:59:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11EBF3BEF1; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:59:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <437C71CE.6040205@addcom.de> References: <01d601c5e8ed$ac8297a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <437C71CE.6040205@addcom.de> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--668433495 Message-Id: <0DBE7957-F5D7-4385-903D-D9F75D7AB8BC@bartholomusic.com> From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: DRIVE the LOOP or be DRIVEN? Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:59:49 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.101 (HTML_MESSAGE) Resent-Message-ID: <4cuESD.A.YLC.4EOfDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:59:53 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--668433495 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed this thread is entering into misinformed territory. i have owned "Logic Audio" since back when it was "Creator" owned by =20 the german company "CLab" in the mid 80's. for a long time now, its human external tempo option has been a very =20 rewarding and useable tool. this is what it does: =95 it accepts midi note input as tempo signals to be interpreted, =20 hence the name "Tempo Interpreter" =95 it can also accept this from many different sources. therefore a =20 group of musicians (midi drums, keyboard etc.) can all play together =20 and the average is calculated. =95 these midi signals drive the tempo of the current song. =95 if you are recording this in realtime, then the varying human tempo =20= is recorded into a tempo track. =95 on playback, the song varies JUST AS U RECORDED IT. =95 except, u can now QUANTISE ur performance and tighten it up even =20 though it STILL FEELS HUMAN as the tempo track still varies the =20 recording according to ur original performance. =95 this also means that u can print out the score normally. something =20= u would not be able to do if it were all recorded freely. this is how it works: =95 the interpreter only accepts notes for timing interpretation based =20= on a preferenced subdivision eg. 1/4 notes. =95 u can play any rhythmic pattern in 16ths whatever and only those =20 notes falling on the 1/4 note will be recognized. =95 in case of an obvious mistake or triplets, a window around the 1/4 =20= note subdivision is given as a preference. outside this window, =20 everything is ignored. =95 a pre determined buffer can also be set. this limits the range that =20= the tempo can change in any one interpretation of a qualified midi =20 note thus making ur tempo changes for realistic and smooth. it can =20 also be off if ud so like. so in summary the computer will follow the timing of the player =20 whether recording or playing back. it WORKS. and very well. what i have wanted for a long time is a hardware version of this that =20= could work on analog pulse input instead of midi. this would enable my drummer to DICTATE the tempo. it worked in my studio on a prerecorded piece driven by a drummer =20 playing midi pads so i dont see why the same logic would not work =20 with different input types. same thing really. "logic audio" algorithm, non midi trigger inputs. ___ Adrian Bartholomew On Nov 17, 2005, at 6:04 AM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: loop.pool wrote: If you are skeptical of this statement then I enjoin you to download =20 the midi tap tempo freeware plugin from Analogue X and practise tapping to music that you know that has a =20 steady rhythm. Try as hard as you can and just be amazed at how much your rhythm =20 timing will vary from beat to beat. Because the software has no idea what a groove is, its not programmed =20= that way. Even when you take a program that averages your tempo over four beats =20= or even four bars you will continue to vary your BPM. Same reason as above. Why the human being is so much better at playing to a loop (or =20 entraining with a human being) than the machine is to reading our playing and then sending out a sync pulse is =20 because we stretch our rhythms to entrain in a way that it would be virtually impossible for a computer to read (at =20 least in the forseeable future). Certainly a computer would be able to do that, but I also have the =20 problem, that I never found an "algorythm" to incorporate it into my =20 Max patches. Though I think it should not be too difficult. It just =20 has to do it like a good drummer does it. (So far all beat matching =20 toys are just very bad drummers) The software has to predict when the next beat will come, and play =20 its beat at that moment, then if its off, adjust its own modell to =20 predict it better for the next beat. Just averaging the last beats =20 will always lead to results which are too late. How else should you =20 be able to track an acceleration or a ritardando? The other approach would be to give the drummer a pad to directly =20 trigger the loop each time. You could even determine a stretch factor =20= according to the time between triggers for the next playthrough of =20 the loop... Just some thought of somebody who build usually his tools all by =20 himself... Stefan --=20 [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][] [][][] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Stefan Tiedje Klanggestalter Electronic Composition & Improvisation /~~~~~\ \\\ /|() ()|\ ))))) )| | |( \\\ /// \ \_/)/ ))))) \___/ /// -------------------------x--- --_____-----------|---------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()--- -- _|_)----|-----()---------- ----------()------------x---- 14, Av. Pr. Franklin Roosevelt, 94320 Thiais, France Phone at CCMIX +33-1-49 77 51 72 --Apple-Mail-1--668433495 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252
    this thread = is entering into misinformed territory.
    i have owned "Logic Audio" since = back when it was "Creator" owned by the german company "CLab"=A0 =A0in = the mid 80's.
    for a long time now, its human = external tempo option has been a very rewarding and useable = tool.

    this is what it does:

    =95 it = accepts midi note input as tempo signals to be interpreted, hence the = name "Tempo Interpreter"
    =95 it can = also accept this from many different sources. therefore a group of = musicians (midi drums, keyboard etc.) can all play together and the = average is calculated.
    =95 these midi signals = drive the tempo of the current song.
    =95 if you = are recording this in realtime, then the varying human tempo is recorded = into a tempo track.
    =95 on playback, the song = varies JUST AS U RECORDED IT.
    =95 except, u = can now QUANTISE ur performance and tighten it up even though it STILL = FEELS HUMAN as the tempo track still varies the recording according to = ur original performance.
    =95 this also = means that u can print out the score normally. something u would not be = able to do if it were all recorded freely.
    this is how it = works:

    =95 the interpreter only accepts notes for timing = interpretation based on a preferenced subdivision eg. 1/4 = notes.
    =95 u can play any rhythmic = pattern in 16ths whatever and only those notes falling on the 1/4 note = will be recognized.
    =95 in case of an obvious = mistake or triplets, a window around the 1/4 note subdivision is given = as a preference. outside this window, everything is ignored.
    =95 a pre determined buffer can also be set. this = limits the range that the tempo can change in any one interpretation of = a qualified midi note thus making ur tempo changes for realistic and = smooth. it can also be off if ud so like.
    so in summary the computer will = follow the timing of the player whether recording or playing = back.
    it WORKS. and very = well.

    what i have wanted for a long time is a hardware = version of this that could work on analog pulse input instead of = midi.
    this would enable my drummer to = DICTATE the tempo.
    it worked in my studio on a = prerecorded piece driven by a drummer playing midi pads so i dont see = why the same logic would not work with different input types. same thing = really.

    "logic audio" algorithm, non midi trigger = inputs.



    ___
    Adrian=A0Bartholomew

    On Nov 17, = 2005, at 6:04 AM, Stefan Tiedje wrote:
    loop.pool = wrote:
    If you are skeptical of this statement then I enjoin = you to download the midi tap tempo freeware plugin from
    Analogue X and practise tapping to music that you know = that has a steady rhythm.
    Try as hard as you can and = just be amazed at how much your rhythm timing will vary from beat to = beat.

    Because the software has no idea what a groove is, its = not programmed that way.

    Even when you take a = program that averages your tempo over four beats or even four bars you = will continue to vary
    your BPM.

    Same reason as above.

    Why= the human being is so much better at playing to a loop (or entraining = with a human being) than the machine
    is to reading our playing = and then sending out a sync pulse is because we stretch our rhythms to = entrain in a way
    that it would be virtually = impossible for a computer to read (at least in the forseeable = future).

    Certainly a computer would be able to do that, but I = also have the problem, that I never found an "algorythm" to incorporate = it into my Max patches. Though I think it should not be too difficult. = It just has to do it like a good drummer does it. (So far all beat = matching toys are just very bad drummers)

    The= software has to predict when the next beat will come, and play its beat = at that moment, then if its off, adjust its own modell to predict it = better for the next beat. Just averaging the last beats will always lead = to results which are too late. How else should you be able to track an = acceleration or a ritardando?

    The other approach would be = to give the drummer a pad to directly trigger the loop each time. You = could even determine a stretch factor according to the time between = triggers for the next playthrough of the loop...

    Just some thought of somebody who build usually his = tools all by himself...

    Stefan

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    =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 Stefan Tiedje
    =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = Klanggestalter
    =A0 =A0 Electronic = Composition
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    =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = Improvisation

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    Phone at CCMIX =A0 +33-1-49 77 51 72



    = --Apple-Mail-1--668433495-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 17 20:55:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C98B3BEFF; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:55:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=P7N4YsdHJVbvTsJ+GPBa9JWUjulrBeCnyGNsSqQwf16IboeBK8qRZGEXY6b3KnjE6j1agK7jred0eU38O2NG63SOANoc7Is2Jyopmlg1UcgHy/VC8yqShI790EMnimRdGKK4BCEaUqYg+bjxVAyyGSaWOs+3Z3wF46uKNytcHjA= Message-ID: <26ba8d120511171255h35b2c361m46b6390364c9d7f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:55:28 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NYC Gig In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <410-220051111417361260@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:55:34 +0000 (UTC) Sorry I couldn't make this -- we're on serious deadline (but you'll be interested in the project when it comes out...) How did it go!? On 11/14/05, Louis Rossi wrote: > Hi All, > > Alex Marculewicz (voice) and I will be playing as part of FLOW on Wednesd= ay > 11/16 night at the Lucky Cat in Williamsburg. > The event starts at 7:30, the set will be about a 1/2 hour long. > > FLOW is a music/video series that connects musicians with video artists f= or > a night of improvised sets. > > The LOU+AL show, Alex Marculewicz (voice) and Louis Rossi (touch guitar),= is > a combination of voice and guitar with loops and effects. Sometimes swerv= ing > towards melody and other times falling into pure noise. > > the Lucky Cat > 245 Grand Street > (between Driggs & Roebling) > Williamsburg > a map >>> http://www.theluckycat.com/directions.html > > Hope to see you there! > > Ps. Please visit myspace too: > > http://www.myspace.com/radiohvezda > > http://www.myspace.com/lourossi > > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 17 21:08:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 736AF3BEFB; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:08:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.151.3.146] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120511171255h35b2c361m46b6390364c9d7f@mail.gmail.com> From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: NYC Gig Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:08:08 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Nov 2005 21:08:09.0237 (UTC) FILETIME=[030AAC50:01C5EBBB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:08:14 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Tom It was a good debut for us. Look forward to hearing about your project. Cheers Lou >From: Tom Ritchford >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: NYC Gig >Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:55:28 -0500 > >Sorry I couldn't make this -- we're on serious deadline (but you'll be >interested in the project when it comes out...) > >How did it go!? > >On 11/14/05, Louis Rossi wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > Alex Marculewicz (voice) and I will be playing as part of FLOW on >Wednesday > > 11/16 night at the Lucky Cat in Williamsburg. > > The event starts at 7:30, the set will be about a 1/2 hour long. > > > > FLOW is a music/video series that connects musicians with video artists >for > > a night of improvised sets. > > > > The LOU+AL show, Alex Marculewicz (voice) and Louis Rossi (touch >guitar), is > > a combination of voice and guitar with loops and effects. Sometimes >swerving > > towards melody and other times falling into pure noise. > > > > the Lucky Cat > > 245 Grand Street > > (between Driggs & Roebling) > > Williamsburg > > a map >>> http://www.theluckycat.com/directions.html > > > > Hope to see you there! > > > > Ps. Please visit myspace too: > > > > http://www.myspace.com/radiohvezda > > > > http://www.myspace.com/lourossi > > > > > > > > >-- > /t > >http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 17 21:51:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 820693BEE8; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:51:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=dkrTC0fp9KTpp/3+DOtg2tYay5WzupVFCJ0UznM1O+G7dc4IUfHk9rbMrmQPCZVW; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200511417215535380@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: eBay's phishing-alert address RE: spam alert Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:55:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9404fb9da01dad665d47684649f431db5da350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.202 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:51:28 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Good to know, and thanks... I get about 2 of those a week. In Tim's Perfect World these "people" would be tracked down by a mighty Geek Squad and pilloried in public so peole can throw SPAM at them...either in the can or out. You should fwd it to phishing@ebay.com , but I'm sure a tech-savvy guy like you is waaaay ahead of me on that (LOL). Cheers, Tim the PseudoLuddite ----- Original Message ----- From: ditch wrestler To: Loopers Delight Sent: 11/17/2005 11:23:00 AM Subject: spam alert Just thought I'd let you know that something or somebody's trawling for emails here - I got a bogus email from ebay about somebody trying to 'bruteforce' their way into my ebay account. Since ebay doesn't have this email account on their file, I thought something smelled phishy... So, as always, don't believe everything you read. If there a list admin that would like to see the email for evaluation purposes, let me know. ted harms. Yahoo! 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    Good to know, and thanks... I get about 2 of those a week. In Tim's Perfect World these "people" would be tracked down by a mighty Geek Squad and pilloried in public so peole can throw SPAM at them...either in the can or out.
     
    You should fwd it to phishing@ebay.com , but I'm sure a tech-savvy guy like you is waaaay ahead of me on that (LOL).
     
    Cheers,
    Tim the PseudoLuddite
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: 11/17/2005 11:23:00 AM
    Subject: spam alert

    Just thought I'd let you know that something or somebody's trawling for emails here - I got a bogus email from ebay about somebody trying to 'bruteforce' their way into my ebay account.  Since ebay doesn't have this email account on their file, I thought something smelled phishy...
     
    So, as always, don't believe everything you read.
     
    If there a list admin that would like to see the email for evaluation purposes, let me know.
     
     
    ted harms.

    Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.
    ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 00:07:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D7D53BEE0; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:07:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: New loop tool, sort of.. Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:07:45 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <_on4UB.A.nxC.PtRfDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:07:44 +0000 (UTC) Yo, Two nights ago I played test pilot for Rick Turner and an engineer from Bose labororatories. What the Bose guy was doing was creating some custom eq presets for the new Bose personal amplication system, to optomize its response for the two DTAR preamps Rick had a hand in designing and I did some beta testing for, the digital "Mama Bear", and the analoge Solstice preamps, both designed for acoustic instruments. I have to say that I was blown away by this sound sytem and I was pretty merciless in trying to push the low end, at one point dropping a baritone guitar part down two octaves on the repeater, and I was suprised at how airy and transparent the high end was, not brittle or harsh, and how full the midrange was despite they absence of conventional mid range woofers. Stereo delay panning freaks beware: this is a mono system, and though you could sum your stereo in to it, to get true stereo you would need two full systems, which would be very pricey, as the system is around $2000. I will have a chance over the next few weeks to demo it more, as I have only run acoustic/electric instruments so far. I'm curious to see how my electric guitar and modeling amp will sound through it. I also got a chance to pickup a guitar Rick just was finishing for Keller William's, a double neck six string acoustic and four string bass on his Rennaissance body style. He is dubbing it the World's First Loop Guitar, and it was really light and well balanced. he'll be showing it at NAMM this January. More later Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 00:15:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C43313BEF0; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:15:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:16:26 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: New loop tool, sort of.. In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00a201c5ebd5$50c81b20$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:15:30 +0000 (UTC) Hey Bill (and hi to all you others on the list who I know and who may be surprised by my sudden appearance), Wouldja give a shout out to Rick for me if you see him again? Back "in the days" I hung out with him a bit at NAMM shows (and played one of his great guitars for years in the Electric Guitar Quartet). Thanks. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: William Walker [mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 7:08 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: New loop tool, sort of.. > > > Yo, > Two nights ago I played test pilot for Rick Turner and an > engineer from Bose labororatories. What the Bose guy was > doing was creating some custom eq presets for the new Bose > personal amplication system, to optomize its response for the > two DTAR preamps Rick had a hand in designing and I did some > beta testing for, the digital "Mama Bear", and the analoge > Solstice preamps, both designed for acoustic instruments. I > have to say that I was blown away by this sound sytem and I > was pretty merciless in trying to push the low end, at one > point dropping a baritone guitar part down two octaves on the > repeater, and I was suprised at how airy and transparent the > high end was, not brittle or harsh, and how full the midrange > was despite they absence of conventional mid range woofers. > Stereo delay panning freaks > beware: this is a mono system, and though you could sum your > stereo in to it, to get true stereo you would need two full > systems, which would be very pricey, as the system is around > $2000. I will have a chance over the next few weeks to demo > it more, as I have only run acoustic/electric instruments so > far. I'm curious to see how my electric guitar and modeling > amp will sound through it. I also got a chance to pickup a > guitar Rick just was finishing for Keller William's, a double > neck six string acoustic and four string bass on his > Rennaissance body style. He is dubbing it the World's First > Loop Guitar, and it was really light and well balanced. he'll > be showing it at NAMM this January. More later Bill > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 01:42:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD8513BEE7; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 01:42:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 18 Nov 2005 01:42:24 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:42:24 -0500 Subject: Funny "Experimental" Music Experiences This Week X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20051118014224.7C1CE3385C@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 01:42:28 +0000 (UTC) Listening to and playing experimental music definitely changes what one per= ceives of as "music". A few examples like this have floated around=20 this list in the past, and I always find them amusing. I had two funny exp= eriences this week in that vein. 1. My alarm goes off to my local college radio station (KALX, Berkeley) wh= ich has been known to play some pretty whacked-out stuff from time to=20 time. So my alarm goes off this morning and it's this totally captivating = composition that jarred me awake and immediately got my brain working.=20= =20 I was totally digging it for a couple minutes.......until the DJ came back = on and apologized for his mistake. He had accidentally left a Steve Reich= =20 track playing from his previous voice-over and then started a DVDr of the R= olling Stones on the old TAMI Show...but the DVDr wouldn't play=20 properly so it was skipping and glitching all over the place (it sounded li= ke static because it was the intro with just hundreds of teenagers=20 screaming), but it kept glitching in a similar (though not identical) way, = making a repeated variation on a theme. As soon as he stopped the DVDr=20 from playing the "piece" lost what I loved about. LOL. 2. Perhaps even funnier, I was driving to work in my truck, the radio of w= hich is always tuned to KALX. I turned the radio on at some point (it's=20 always tuned to KALX) and there was this musical piecec with a crazy modul= ated tone that kept lowering and rising in pitch, along with some=20 tremelo effect. I found it captivating and was silently giving KALX kudos = for not being afraid of the "weird stuff". It was REALLY cool. At some=20 point in the drive there were some weird synchronicities with the pitch and= the speed at which I was driving. Then I got stopped at a red light, at= =20 which point the pitch dropped to s steady hum.....hmmmmmm....that's when I = looked at the radio and realized that I must have hit the AM/FM=20 button by mistake when turning it on. The tuner was stuck in the no-man's-= land between stations and the pitch was somehow being modulated=20 by my alternator as I sped up and slowed down. I can assure you that I was= laughing out loud!!! On one particularly empty street I was able to=20 play a rough approximation of Happy Birthday with the accelerator, but I al= most ran the stop sign at the end of the street. I'll need to find a=20 deserted country road and record some longer tunes! Cheers Joe Rut --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 01:58:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83EDF3BEF4; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 01:58:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <78.7f54ada1.30ae8f2f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 20:58:07 EST Subject: Hey Warren! Good to see you back! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_78.7f54ada1.30ae8f2f_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <69jvxC.A.8DG.4UTfDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 01:58:16 +0000 (UTC) --part1_78.7f54ada1.30ae8f2f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WS, I'll say it again. Hey Warren! Good to see you back! How goes the software wars? It seems I remember you were working up some sort of software loper a year or so ago. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_78.7f54ada1.30ae8f2f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WS,

    I'll say it again.     Hey Warren! Good to see you back!

    How goes the software wars? It seems I remember you
    were working up some sort of software loper a year or
    so ago.

    Best regards,

    tEd =AE kiLLiAn

    "Different is not always better, but better is always different"

    http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
    http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
    http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
    http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
    http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
    http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
    http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

    Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
    BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
    AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
    RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
    and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
     --part1_78.7f54ada1.30ae8f2f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 04:56:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27A9D3BEE2; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 04:56:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:57:38 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Hey Warren! Good to see you back! In-reply-to: <78.7f54ada1.30ae8f2f@aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <013401c5ebfc$990b55b0$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_AC2abyPT4O/Eeu9c+Nox1Q)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <7H_5k.A.uFD.A8VfDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 04:56:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_AC2abyPT4O/Eeu9c+Nox1Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hey Ted, Thanks. Yup, I thought that looper was only going to take a couple of months to finish. But I had about 4 versions that needed to be thrown away before the architecture was right. I actually was hoping to re-enlist your aid (since you offered it so long ago) as a beta tester/interface critic (and possibly re-designer) when I've finished writing preliminary docs and cleaning up one or two things. It's a little hard for me to complete the docs, though, because I'm at sea for a name. I'm thinking maybe AccuLoop. Whaddya think? (that, totally without an explanation of what makes it special, is not exactly an easy question - but whether the name should be related to the specific features or not is also not an easy one). How's Medford treating you? I'll be back to raft the Rogue again someday.... Best wishes, Warren Sirota http://www.warrensirota.com for listening -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 8:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Hey Warren! Good to see you back! WS, I'll say it again. Hey Warren! Good to see you back! How goes the software wars? It seems I remember you were working up some sort of software loper a year or so ago. Best regards, tEd R kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --Boundary_(ID_AC2abyPT4O/Eeu9c+Nox1Q) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message
    Hey Ted,
     
    Thanks. Yup, I thought that looper was only going to take a couple of months to finish. But I had about 4 versions that needed to be thrown away before the architecture was right. I actually was hoping to re-enlist your aid (since you offered it so long ago) as a beta tester/interface critic (and possibly re-designer) when I've finished writing preliminary docs and cleaning up one or two things.
     
    It's a little hard for me to complete the docs, though, because I'm at sea for a name. I'm thinking maybe AccuLoop. Whaddya think? (that, totally without an explanation of what makes it special, is not exactly an easy question - but whether the name should be related to the specific features or not is also not an easy one).
     
    How's Medford treating you? I'll be back to raft the Rogue again someday....
     
    Best wishes,
    Warren Sirota
    -----Original Message-----
    From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com]
    Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 8:58 PM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Hey Warren! Good to see you back!

    WS,

    I'll say it again.     Hey Warren! Good to see you back!

    How goes the software wars? It seems I remember you
    were working up some sort of software loper a year or
    so ago.

    Best regards,

    tEd ® kiLLiAn

    "Different is not always better, but better is always different"

    http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
    http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
    http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
    http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
    http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073
    http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314
    http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193

    Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
    BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
    AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
    RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
    and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
    --Boundary_(ID_AC2abyPT4O/Eeu9c+Nox1Q)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 07:24:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A24013BEF0; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 07:24:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: New loop tool, sort of.. Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:24:02 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <00a201c5ebd5$50c81b20$0202a8c0@Lightning> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 07:24:05 +0000 (UTC) Good to hear from your Warren, hope all is well, I'll give a shout out to Rick for you. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Warren Sirota [mailto:wsirota@wsdesigns.com] Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 4:16 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: New loop tool, sort of.. Hey Bill (and hi to all you others on the list who I know and who may be surprised by my sudden appearance), Wouldja give a shout out to Rick for me if you see him again? Back "in the days" I hung out with him a bit at NAMM shows (and played one of his great guitars for years in the Electric Guitar Quartet). Thanks. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: William Walker [mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 7:08 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: New loop tool, sort of.. > > > Yo, > Two nights ago I played test pilot for Rick Turner and an > engineer from Bose labororatories. What the Bose guy was > doing was creating some custom eq presets for the new Bose > personal amplication system, to optomize its response for the > two DTAR preamps Rick had a hand in designing and I did some > beta testing for, the digital "Mama Bear", and the analoge > Solstice preamps, both designed for acoustic instruments. I > have to say that I was blown away by this sound sytem and I > was pretty merciless in trying to push the low end, at one > point dropping a baritone guitar part down two octaves on the > repeater, and I was suprised at how airy and transparent the > high end was, not brittle or harsh, and how full the midrange > was despite they absence of conventional mid range woofers. > Stereo delay panning freaks > beware: this is a mono system, and though you could sum your > stereo in to it, to get true stereo you would need two full > systems, which would be very pricey, as the system is around > $2000. I will have a chance over the next few weeks to demo > it more, as I have only run acoustic/electric instruments so > far. I'm curious to see how my electric guitar and modeling > amp will sound through it. I also got a chance to pickup a > guitar Rick just was finishing for Keller William's, a double > neck six string acoustic and four string bass on his > Rennaissance body style. He is dubbing it the World's First > Loop Guitar, and it was really light and well balanced. he'll > be showing it at NAMM this January. More later Bill > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 10:48:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 958FD3BEE2; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:48:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008601c5ec2d$93d991c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: DRIVE the LOOP or be DRIVEN? Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 02:48:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <9kuPhD.A.k0E.rFbfDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:48:11 +0000 (UTC) Andrew wrote: "this thread is entering into misinformed territory" Dear Andrew, thanks a lot for the description of how Logic Audio's tempo driving mechanism works. Would you be into posting an example of how this works in a live situation? The proof is in the pudding as they say. I'm mildly skeptical, but it's important to be open minded since technology is evolving at such a rapid pace. I'm perfectly willing to drop my own preconceptions about it being a bit of a technophile, myself. Your description of how it works sounds fascinating and sounds like it might work really well. Thanks for your post. I look forward to hearing some examples of it live in action. You can write me offlist if you don't have the ability to host an example on line...............I'll set up a webpage for you to upload it to if you'd like. yours, sincerely, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 11:42:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B38263BEE8; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:42:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <0DBE7957-F5D7-4385-903D-D9F75D7AB8BC@bartholomusic.com> References: <01d601c5e8ed$ac8297a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <437C71CE.6040205@addcom.de> <0DBE7957-F5D7-4385-903D-D9F75D7AB8BC@bartholomusic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <444A3099-48FB-4FDB-8A64-56639BBB2BB0@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: DRIVE the LOOP or be DRIVEN? Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 12:42:02 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:42:06 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 17, 2005, at 20:59, Adrian Bartholomew wrote: > what i have wanted for a long time is a hardware version of this > that could work on analog pulse input instead of midi. > this would enable my drummer to DICTATE the tempo. > it worked in my studio on a prerecorded piece driven by a drummer > playing midi pads so i dont see why the same logic would not work > with different input types. same thing really. > > "logic audio" algorithm, non midi trigger inputs. If you care to set up a computer on stage the software Circular Logic seem to do that i real-time. Below I'm pasting in an earlier post to this list by the application's developer Michael Stauffer, so you can read up for yourself and eventually follow the links to watch the demo movies. Regarding the tempo track and re-clocking functions of Logic I have used them quite successfully for recorded audio, but I wouldn't even think about trying it out for a live audio input. Actually I have found, when producing recorded music, that I get better tempo sync in Logic, to a recorded piece of music, when listening and simply draw the tempo curve on the screen exactly the way I would have played it if I was a drummer. Now I'm even a lousy Virtual Drummer, so this method takes a lot of time. But it's better because you can regain a little of what is lost in any tempo following algorithm: the human perception and implementation of gestures (that's where the fun is IMHO). Sometimes it feels good to bring up the tempo map just a little bit before the recorded live audio goes up in tempo and vice verca - only to balance the never ending interplay between DRIVING and BEING DRIVEN so it kind of creates a "dialogue" between the recorded audio and whatever is happening in Logic (the stuff we're "syncing"). BTW I presume Live5 does this syncing up midi to recorded material better than Logic at the moment. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen On Sep 14, 2004, at 19:33, Michael Stauffer wrote: > Hey Griff, > > I'm the developer with the Circular Logic software InTime. Yes, you > can > set InTime up to follow a live drummer, either by using mic's and > audio-to-midi software, or by using relatively inexpensive drum > triggers - there's a discussion about setting up InTime with a > drummer on > our site: > http://www.circular-logic.com/docs/Drummer_setup_tips.html > > As for Live, I've been messing with it myself for doing the kind of > tempo-changing live-looping you're talking about - really cool > software. > The InTime video demo on our site actually uses Live to playback loops > with tempo-changing while I play guitar: > http://www.circular-logic.com/videos.html > > You've probably read already in this list that the setup for remote > control in Live is awkward in some ways, and I recommend using Control > Aid to simplify any midi-trigger setup you use. > > Ableton Live will do all the time-stretching, really nicely, like you > hope, but there are two catches when using it with something like > InTime > > 1) Live doesn't get the "warp points" (the sync points) of a loop > correctly when the loop is recorded while the tempo is changing. > So, if > you record while InTime is changing the tempo, the loop doesn't > play back > in sync after you've finished recording it. I've tested this > problem by > using sources of tempo change other than InTime, and it's an > oversight in > Live's programming. It should be relatively easy for them to fix - > since > Live always know the tempo and the location of the beat during > recording, > it should be able to set the warp points using this information. > Instead, > after you record a loop while the tempo is changing, Live seems to > treat > it as a loop with overall steady tempo, and thus gets the warp points > wrong. I've told Ableton about this problem, but if you were also > to let > them know that this is a drawback for you, it might help speed them > along > their way to fixing it. :) I posted a message about this in the user > forum a couple months back if you want to look at it in more > detail, or > just ask me. It's pretty easy to workarond this, though - you can > setup a > midi trigger to disable/enable InTime's tempo-tracking, then when you > want to record a loop you first disable the tracking so that InTime > runs > at a steady tempo, then reenable it when you want to jam and have the > drummer control the tempo. > > 2) Live averages the incoming midi clocks over about 2 beats, so its > response to tempo changes from InTime is somewhat dulled, but still > very > functional, as you can see in the video demo on our site. > > InTime for Mac OS X is still in public beta, but I'm readying it for > release as we speak and it will be available soon. > > Let me know if you have any other questions. > > Cheers, > Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 14:44:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C3D73BEEE; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:44:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: service@paypal.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: member@ebay.com Subject: Add PayPal Security Center Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:44:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="b0f16bdc-f6d7-4d7b-bcbb-b72db8870eaf" Message-Id: <20051118144425.6B0A83BEDC@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:44:28 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format --b0f16bdc-f6d7-4d7b-bcbb-b72db8870eaf Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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    --b0f16bdc-f6d7-4d7b-bcbb-b72db8870eaf-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 15:42:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FBD03BEE1; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:42:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.71.221.240] X-Originating-Email: [davelauz@hotmail.com] X-Sender: davelauz@hotmail.com From: "Dave Lauzon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gibson Echoplex Noise problem Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:42:19 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2005 15:42:20.0219 (UTC) FILETIME=[A95500B0:01C5EC56] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:42:23 +0000 (UTC)



    Hi,

    Its been a long long time since I posted anything here, but I've always found this list to be a great resource of information so I thought I'd ask here.

    I've got a Gibson Echoplex, circa 1999 2000 maybe.  not quite sure although I bought it new. I believe... Its loop 3 v.5 software.  I realize there's been a software upgrade and I'm thinking of going that way. 

    It has served me really well and I certainly put it through quite a lot of use on the road 200 nights a year for 4 years.

    So here's my problem.  Lately I'm finding that it is REALLY noisy.  I can also get more noise out of it by tapping it. 

    I've called Gibson, and I guess the one guy who is responsible for this product is too busy to return my calls.  I bought it in Canada and the distributor tells me they wouldn't know what to do with it so they'd probably send it to gibson.

    Bottom line is that I use this thing every day proffesionally and I can't afford to be without it for four months while it sits on a shelf somewhere.  I'm just wondering if anyone has had a similar experience and if it is a simple fix like replacing the RAM or upgrading the software.  Any input would be greatly appreciated. 

    Thanks,

    Dave

     

    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 15:57:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 635F33BEF7; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:57:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <437DFA4F.9030905@Hevanet.com> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 07:59:11 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gibson Echoplex Noise problem References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:57:18 +0000 (UTC) My only experience with EDP noise is before it warms up (a few minutes)...a REALLY bad white noise. Then it's fine. Someone said it might be bad memory, but I forget. :-) David. Dave Lauzon wrote: > > > Hi, > > Its been a long long time since I posted anything here, but I've > always found this list to be a great resource of information so I > thought I'd ask here. > > I've got a Gibson Echoplex, circa 1999 2000 maybe. not quite sure > although I bought it new. I believe... Its loop 3 v.5 software. I > realize there's been a software upgrade and I'm thinking of going that > way. > > It has served me really well and I certainly put it through quite a > lot of use on the road 200 nights a year for 4 years. > > So here's my problem. Lately I'm finding that it is REALLY noisy. I > can also get more noise out of it by tapping it. > > I've called Gibson, and I guess the one guy who is responsible for > this product is too busy to return my calls. I bought it in Canada > and the distributor tells me they wouldn't know what to do with it so > they'd probably send it to gibson. > > Bottom line is that I use this thing every day proffesionally and I > can't afford to be without it for four months while it sits on a shelf > somewhere. I'm just wondering if anyone has had a similar experience > and if it is a simple fix like replacing the RAM or upgrading the > software. Any input would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Dave > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 16:04:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 044D13BF05; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:04:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:04:56 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Gibson Echoplex Noise problem In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001801c5ec59$d19ba490$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_MK8EO6DVi85wfRv0ddds2w)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:04:02 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_MK8EO6DVi85wfRv0ddds2w) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Others on the list would know more, but your comment about tapping makes me wonder if this is maybe a "contact crub" problem on the pots. Do any of the pots seem to affect the noise when you turn them? If so, a bit of contact cleaner might do the trick. Best wishes, Warren Sirota -----Original Message----- From: Dave Lauzon [mailto:davelauz@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 10:42 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gibson Echoplex Noise problem Hi, Its been a long long time since I posted anything here, but I've always found this list to be a great resource of information so I thought I'd ask here. I've got a Gibson Echoplex, circa 1999 2000 maybe. not quite sure although I bought it new. I believe... Its loop 3 v.5 software. I realize there's been a software upgrade and I'm thinking of going that way. It has served me really well and I certainly put it through quite a lot of use on the road 200 nights a year for 4 years. So here's my problem. Lately I'm finding that it is REALLY noisy. I can also get more noise out of it by tapping it. I've called Gibson, and I guess the one guy who is responsible for this product is too busy to return my calls. I bought it in Canada and the distributor tells me they wouldn't know what to do with it so they'd probably send it to gibson. Bottom line is that I use this thing every day proffesionally and I can't afford to be without it for four months while it sits on a shelf somewhere. I'm just wondering if anyone has had a similar experience and if it is a simple fix like replacing the RAM or upgrading the software. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Dave --Boundary_(ID_MK8EO6DVi85wfRv0ddds2w) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message
    Others on the list would know more, but your comment about tapping makes me wonder if this is maybe a "contact crub" problem on the pots. Do any of the pots seem to affect the noise when you turn them? If so, a bit of contact cleaner might do the trick.
     
    Best wishes,
    Warren Sirota
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Dave Lauzon [mailto:davelauz@hotmail.com]
    Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 10:42 AM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Gibson Echoplex Noise problem



    Hi,

    Its been a long long time since I posted anything here, but I've always found this list to be a great resource of information so I thought I'd ask here.

    I've got a Gibson Echoplex, circa 1999 2000 maybe.  not quite sure although I bought it new. I believe... Its loop 3 v.5 software.  I realize there's been a software upgrade and I'm thinking of going that way. 

    It has served me really well and I certainly put it through quite a lot of use on the road 200 nights a year for 4 years.

    So here's my problem.  Lately I'm finding that it is REALLY noisy.  I can also get more noise out of it by tapping it. 

    I've called Gibson, and I guess the one guy who is responsible for this product is too busy to return my calls.  I bought it in Canada and the distributor tells me they wouldn't know what to do with it so they'd probably send it to gibson.

    Bottom line is that I use this thing every day proffesionally and I can't afford to be without it for four months while it sits on a shelf somewhere.  I'm just wondering if anyone has had a similar experience and if it is a simple fix like replacing the RAM or upgrading the software.  Any input would be greatly appreciated. 

    Thanks,

    Dave

     

    --Boundary_(ID_MK8EO6DVi85wfRv0ddds2w)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 16:14:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 766C13BF0B; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:14:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <47756906-4370-418E-8D54-9E2DD485390F@gguitars.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Sewell Subject: EDP "NextLoop" question. Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:12:12 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ns3.hostingvermont.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - gguitars.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:14:07 +0000 (UTC) I am running a new EDP with loop 4. Multiloops is set to 2. With either autorecord or loop copy function on, Loop 2 will only play once, then it will automatically switch back to loop one, which will loop indefinetly. I can find this mentioned in the huge manual. Ive searched the archive to no avail. Any ideas? Possible bug? Thanks guys. I know I come in and out on this list, but the massive amounts of email it generates can be overwhelming. Why doesnt this site uses a standard discussion board format? Just curious. Thanks Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 16:15:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A438E3BF14; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:15:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=P7kQ1Fk2FQ6un0hls/b46+jdbG65mT/lESP/hNb36xTl4bwuU5Somb0TweKWVSmaBEDF2llJO/MB77+zCZa2IrSiE1jDbzwUQTjLh8VB0BeOskhxHfM0RXxdft9+yApjBsdE2Q00gtLSVpBC4+fX0DMFs40l+YXb0VvgCcPIzME= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 08:15:42 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Gibson Echoplex Noise problem In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:15:43 +0000 (UTC) "For future reference, Echoplex repair services are offered by a company called British Audio Services, http://www.britishaudioservice.com. I believe that is where you will find Shane Radtke, who is an expert on repairing them."--Kim Flint I've had Shane do some EDP work, his turnaround time was a few days at the time, not counting shipping to and from. TravisH On 11/18/05, Dave Lauzon wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > Its been a long long time since I posted anything here, but I've always > found this list to be a great resource of information so I thought I'd as= k > here. > > I've got a Gibson Echoplex, circa 1999 2000 maybe. not quite sure althou= gh > I bought it new. I believe... Its loop 3 v.5 software. I realize there's > been a software upgrade and I'm thinking of going that way. > > It has served me really well and I certainly put it through quite a lot o= f > use on the road 200 nights a year for 4 years. > > So here's my problem. Lately I'm finding that it is REALLY noisy. I can > also get more noise out of it by tapping it. > > I've called Gibson, and I guess the one guy who is responsible for this > product is too busy to return my calls. I bought it in Canada and the > distributor tells me they wouldn't know what to do with it so they'd > probably send it to gibson. > > Bottom line is that I use this thing every day proffesionally and I can't > afford to be without it for four months while it sits on a shelf somewher= e. > I'm just wondering if anyone has had a similar experience and if it is a > simple fix like replacing the RAM or upgrading the software. Any input > would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Dave > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 16:18:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4DD93BF18; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:18:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tOe3jS/yc2GmTyc9jVl4VxfOGa6pMFa81qFq+hfcJY3R6kcpe6AuatLRYE/OrvqvMdotsE1pRidKr80tCTzrqcWOvhC+GXdb6xa/vdDiKn9exi6hrDvMZE5DBXWZyip5RRZqWAIGjbng8v49tVUrgg/aGKhYKgPpmm6i3ZUYmPI= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 08:18:57 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP "NextLoop" question. In-Reply-To: <47756906-4370-418E-8D54-9E2DD485390F@gguitars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <47756906-4370-418E-8D54-9E2DD485390F@gguitars.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:18:58 +0000 (UTC) It's an old list and setting up discussion board software takes time and effort which the list owner is unwilling to put forth. And I think a switchover at this point would result in the volume of info in the old archive not being migrated. TravisH On 11/18/05, Chris Sewell wrote: > I know I come in and out on this list, but the massive amounts of > email it generates can be overwhelming. Why doesnt this site uses a > standard discussion board format? > Just curious. > Thanks > Chris > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 16:20:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 731103BF1A; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:20:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <437DFFC1.20507@Hevanet.com> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 08:22:25 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP "NextLoop" question. References: <47756906-4370-418E-8D54-9E2DD485390F@gguitars.com> In-Reply-To: <47756906-4370-418E-8D54-9E2DD485390F@gguitars.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:20:26 +0000 (UTC) Chris Sewell wrote: > I am running a new EDP with loop 4. Multiloops is set to 2. With > either autorecord or loop copy function on, Loop 2 will only play > once, then it will automatically switch back to loop one, which will > loop indefinetly. I can find this mentioned in the huge manual. Ive > searched the archive to no avail. Any ideas? Possible bug? > Thanks guys. > > I know I come in and out on this list, but the massive amounts of > email it generates can be overwhelming. Why doesnt this site uses a > standard discussion board format? > Just curious. > Thanks > Chris > > Not an answer, but I'm finding joy in using the pdf manual on my computer screen. A "word" search can zip you all around, cross-referencing _very_ quickly. Bernhard said: >The new Loop IV manual integrates the Loop IV features: >http://www.gibson.com/Files/Downloads/PDFs/Gibson/EchoplexPlusManual12.pdf > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 16:21:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B35593BF23; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:21:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: <47756906-4370-418E-8D54-9E2DD485390F@gguitars.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0F1CD523-724F-4ACD-B237-84F047EBEC8B@gguitars.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: EDP "NextLoop" question. Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:19:15 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ns3.hostingvermont.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - gguitars.com Resent-Message-ID: <_3nKJB.A.1pH.y9ffDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:21:06 +0000 (UTC) Understood. Makes perfect sense. Any clue on my first question? On Nov 18, 2005, at 11:18 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > It's an old list and setting up discussion board software takes time > and effort which the list owner is unwilling to put forth. And I > think a switchover at this point would result in the volume of info in > the old archive not being migrated. > > TravisH > > On 11/18/05, Chris Sewell wrote: > > >> I know I come in and out on this list, but the massive amounts of >> email it generates can be overwhelming. Why doesnt this site uses a >> standard discussion board format? >> Just curious. >> Thanks >> Chris >> >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 16:23:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B658B3BF0A; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:23:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:23:11 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: EDP "NextLoop" question. In-reply-to: <47756906-4370-418E-8D54-9E2DD485390F@gguitars.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <437DFFEF.9080400@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <47756906-4370-418E-8D54-9E2DD485390F@gguitars.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:23:11 +0000 (UTC) Chris Sewell wrote: > I am running a new EDP with loop 4. Multiloops is set to 2. With either > autorecord or loop copy function on, Loop 2 will only play once, then > it will automatically switch back to loop one, which will loop > indefinetly. I can find this mentioned in the huge manual. Ive searched > the archive to no avail. Any ideas? Possible bug? It sounds like you have SamplerStyle set to Once. Try setting it to Run or Start. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 16:24:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FF1E3BF28; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:24:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <437E00B3.7040809@Hevanet.com> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 08:26:27 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP "NextLoop" question. References: <47756906-4370-418E-8D54-9E2DD485390F@gguitars.com> <0F1CD523-724F-4ACD-B237-84F047EBEC8B@gguitars.com> In-Reply-To: <0F1CD523-724F-4ACD-B237-84F047EBEC8B@gguitars.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:24:30 +0000 (UTC) Perhaps "SamplerStyle=One?" See pg 83 in pdf manual. Chris Sewell wrote: > Understood. Makes perfect sense. Any clue on my first question? > On Nov 18, 2005, at 11:18 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > >> It's an old list and setting up discussion board software takes time >> and effort which the list owner is unwilling to put forth. And I >> think a switchover at this point would result in the volume of info in >> the old archive not being migrated. >> >> TravisH >> >> On 11/18/05, Chris Sewell wrote: >> >> >>> I know I come in and out on this list, but the massive amounts of >>> email it generates can be overwhelming. Why doesnt this site uses a >>> standard discussion board format? >>> Just curious. >>> Thanks >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 16:33:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64FDC3BF07; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:33:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HYrgy8VsvGkzHGnug4ovF8pmAMYsxk/EkIpAGj6Hv16BYb+/V6rUnQ4YhZh+raeajVqBsI8n3yh7iG/Mq+g2NTJ9Oq0GXtooKTa63GrGe/8pR4zacejLRJt+FNllfqQ1/HC7dK7kd2fy93J5OsoqaESG1k8Tz0g9kYJ/G1WpHJ4= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 08:32:59 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP "NextLoop" question. In-Reply-To: <0F1CD523-724F-4ACD-B237-84F047EBEC8B@gguitars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <47756906-4370-418E-8D54-9E2DD485390F@gguitars.com> <0F1CD523-724F-4ACD-B237-84F047EBEC8B@gguitars.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9sLUSB.A.HO.8IgfDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:33:01 +0000 (UTC) Sounds like you've got the SamplerStyle parameter engaged. For what you want I think it needs to be set to zero or off, I'm not near the manual right now. TravisH On 11/18/05, Chris Sewell wrote: > Understood. Makes perfect sense. Any clue on my first question? > On Nov 18, 2005, at 11:18 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > > It's an old list and setting up discussion board software takes time > > and effort which the list owner is unwilling to put forth. And I > > think a switchover at this point would result in the volume of info in > > the old archive not being migrated. > > > > TravisH > > > > On 11/18/05, Chris Sewell wrote: > > > > > >> I know I come in and out on this list, but the massive amounts of > >> email it generates can be overwhelming. Why doesnt this site uses a > >> standard discussion board format? > >> Just curious. > >> Thanks > >> Chris > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 16:34:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D5133BF2E; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:34:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: <47756906-4370-418E-8D54-9E2DD485390F@gguitars.com> <0F1CD523-724F-4ACD-B237-84F047EBEC8B@gguitars.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: EDP "NextLoop" question. Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:32:06 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ns3.hostingvermont.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - gguitars.com Resent-Message-ID: <8fnB-C.A.DW.5JgfDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:34:01 +0000 (UTC) Thanks guys. As usual, a big help. On Nov 18, 2005, at 11:32 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Sounds like you've got the SamplerStyle parameter engaged. For what > you want I think it needs to be set to zero or off, I'm not near the > manual right now. > > TravisH > > On 11/18/05, Chris Sewell wrote: > >> Understood. Makes perfect sense. Any clue on my first question? >> On Nov 18, 2005, at 11:18 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: >> >> >>> It's an old list and setting up discussion board software takes time >>> and effort which the list owner is unwilling to put forth. And I >>> think a switchover at this point would result in the volume of >>> info in >>> the old archive not being migrated. >>> >>> TravisH >>> >>> On 11/18/05, Chris Sewell wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> I know I come in and out on this list, but the massive amounts of >>>> email it generates can be overwhelming. Why doesnt this site uses a >>>> standard discussion board format? >>>> Just curious. >>>> Thanks >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 16:57:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A80083BF27; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:57:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 18 Nov 2005 16:57:36 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:57:36 -0500 Subject: Re: Gibson Echoplex Noise problem X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20051118165736.5C969CA0A0@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:57:52 +0000 (UTC) Dave- Could you describe exactly how and when the noise occurs and what it sounds= like? I had an EDP noise problem recently that (despite my=20 adamant assertions to the contrary) turned out to be partially gain stage s= etting related. I was not able to make my problem go away, but found it=20 could be attenuated by setting the input and output gain differently. Joe Rut ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Lauzon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Gibson Echoplex Noise problem Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:42:19 -0500 > Hi, >=20 > Its been a long long time since I posted anything here, but I've always > found this list to be a great resource of information so I thought I'd > ask here. >=20 > I've got a Gibson Echoplex, circa 1999 2000 maybe. not quite sure > although I bought it new. I believe... Its loop 3 v.5 software. I > realize there's been a software upgrade and I'm thinking of going that > way. It has served me really well and I certainly put it through quite a = lot > of use on the road 200 nights a year for 4 years. >=20 > So here's my problem. Lately I'm finding that it is REALLY noisy. I can > also get more noise out of it by tapping it. I've called Gibson,=20 > and I guess the one guy who is responsible for this > product is too busy to return my calls. I bought it in Canada and the > distributor tells me they wouldn't know what to do with it so they'd > probably send it to gibson. >=20 > Bottom line is that I use this thing every day proffesionally and I can't > afford to be without it for four months while it sits on a shelf > somewhere. I'm just wondering if anyone has had a similar experience and > if it is a simple fix like replacing the RAM or upgrading the=20 > software. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, >=20 > Dave --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 18:30:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF6783BEDA; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 18:30:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:30:09 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP "NextLoop" question. X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <47756906-4370-418E-8D54-9E2DD485390F@gguitars.com> References: <47756906-4370-418E-8D54-9E2DD485390F@gguitars.com> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 18:30:08 +0000 (UTC) Chris, > Why doesnt this site uses a > standard discussion board format? Because a mailing list is about 100 times more user-friendly! And to answer your question: Take a look at your 'Sampler Style' setting. It should probably be set to 'Start' or 'Run', not 'Once' -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 19:13:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 560223BEFA; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:13:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <008601c5ec2d$93d991c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <008601c5ec2d$93d991c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--585388921 Message-Id: <67F69BC1-F18C-4D99-9541-97A8BD0EE719@bartholomusic.com> From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: DRIVE the LOOP or be DRIVEN? Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:03:53 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.101 (HTML_MESSAGE) Resent-Message-ID: <8bO0cC.A.UwF.wfifDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:13:53 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--585388921 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed thanks for the interest. im adrian by the way:-) im on the lookout for a hardware version for live purposes just like u r. i was guided to a product called 34One that does tap tempo (with ur foot) while outputting the tapped tempo in midiclock. it also accepts continuous tapping while updating the changing midiclock tempo. so i was thinking that i could just electronically replace the switch that ur foot taps with a pulse trigger from a drum kit, say. i wrote to them in germany and they told me that they actually have a sapce on the pc board to insert that. GREAT! BUT they also said that it HAD to be ON the 1/4 note. what drummer only plays 1/4 notes!!! arrrrgggghhhhh. so what i may need to build (i AM quite handy with electronics), is an interface with the LOGIC logic built in and then feed the unit the quarter note output of the translated tempo from the drummer. i wish, really wish they would do this. cause its VERY simple to do if u know anything about electronics and THEY DO. bummer. why do manufacturers always fall short. its like they dont connect with real musicians. but hey, maybe ill get rich. ___ Adrian Bartholomew 8439 Lee Blvd Leawood, KS 66206 (913) 660-6918 On Nov 18, 2005, at 4:48 AM, loop.pool wrote: > Andrew wrote: > > "this thread is entering into misinformed territory" > > > Dear Andrew, thanks a lot for the description of how Logic Audio's > tempo driving mechanism works. > > Would you be into posting an example of how this works in a live > situation? > > The proof is in the pudding as they say. I'm mildly skeptical, > but it's important to be open minded since > technology is evolving at such a rapid pace. I'm perfectly > willing to drop my own preconceptions about it > being a bit of a technophile, myself. Your description of how it > works sounds fascinating and sounds like it > might work really well. > > Thanks for your post. I look forward to hearing some examples of > it live in action. You can write me offlist if you don't have > the ability to host an example on line...............I'll set up a > webpage for you to upload it to if you'd like. > > yours, sincerely, Rick Walker --Apple-Mail-4--585388921 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 thanks for the interest. im = adrian by the way:-)

    im on the lookout for a = hardware version for live purposes just like u r. i was guided to a = product called 34One that does tap tempo (with ur foot) while outputting = the tapped tempo in midiclock.
    it also accepts continuous = tapping while updating the changing midiclock tempo.
    so i was = thinking that i could just electronically replace the switch that ur = foot taps with a pulse trigger=A0 from a drum kit, say. i wrote to them = in germany and they told me that they actually have a sapce on the pc = board to insert that. GREAT!
    BUT
    they also said that = it HAD to be ON the 1/4 note.
    what drummer only plays 1/4 = notes!!! arrrrgggghhhhh.

    so what i may need to = build=A0(i AM quite handy with electronics), is an interface with the = LOGIC logic built in and then feed the unit the quarter note output of = the translated tempo from the drummer.
    i wish, really wish = they would do this. cause its VERY simple to do if u know anything about = electronics and THEY DO.
    bummer. why do manufacturers always = fall short. its like they dont connect with real = musicians.

    but = hey, maybe ill get rich.
    ___
    Adrian=A0Bartholomew
    8439 Lee Blvd
    Leawood, KS = 66206
    (913) 660-6918

     =

    On Nov 18, 2005, at 4:48 AM, loop.pool = wrote:

    Andrew wrote:

    "this = thread is entering into misinformed territory"


    Dear = Andrew,=A0 thanks a lot for = the description of how Logic Audio's tempo driving mechanism = works.

    Would you be into posting an example of how this = works in a live situation?

    The proof is in the pudding as = they say.=A0 =A0 =A0 I'm = mildly skeptical, but it's important to be open minded since
    technology is evolving at such a rapid pace.=A0 =A0 I'm perfectly willing to = drop my own preconceptions about it
    being a bit = of a technophile, myself. =A0 = Your description of how it works sounds fascinating and sounds = like it
    might work really = well.

    Thanks for your post. =A0 I look forward to hearing = some examples of it live in action.=A0= =A0 You can write me offlist if you don't have the ability to = host an example on line...............I'll set up a webpage for you to = upload it to if you'd like.

    yours, sincerely, =A0 Rick Walker=A0
    =

    = --Apple-Mail-4--585388921-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 19:13:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B66813BF0B; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:13:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <444A3099-48FB-4FDB-8A64-56639BBB2BB0@boysen.se> References: <01d601c5e8ed$ac8297a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <437C71CE.6040205@addcom.de> <0DBE7957-F5D7-4385-903D-D9F75D7AB8BC@bartholomusic.com> <444A3099-48FB-4FDB-8A64-56639BBB2BB0@boysen.se> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5--584897319 Message-Id: From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: DRIVE the LOOP or be DRIVEN? Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:12:05 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.101 (HTML_MESSAGE) Resent-Message-ID: <5tL1fC.A.8zF.2fifDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:13:58 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5--584897319 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed yes Live 5 does a better job of varying the sample rate without change in pitch WAAAY better than logic does. but it does not do any tempo interpreting itself. logics interprreter is blowmind. if i really want to setup a computer onstage for the interpretation, all i have to do is get an Alesis D4 andx it would translate any analog pulse from a trigger on a drum to any midinote i desire. this can then be sent to logic and voila i have midiclock output following my drummer. but alas i dont have the processing power to run both logic AND Live5 (which is what this is all for as i want to trigger samples and basslines and and have them follow the bands timing) logic does not do this very well and i was force to buy Live5 as i could assign any sample to be triggered externally from any button on my FCB1010. plus the added benefit of samples not deteriorating with moderate changes in tempo. i guess it could be done and have logic drive the tempo of Live5 internally but something tells me its not the safest thing to rely on in a live situation u know what i mean? ___ Adrian Bartholomew 8439 Lee Blvd Leawood, KS 66206 (913) 660-6918 On Nov 18, 2005, at 5:42 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Nov 17, 2005, at 20:59, Adrian Bartholomew wrote: > >> what i have wanted for a long time is a hardware version of this >> that could work on analog pulse input instead of midi. >> this would enable my drummer to DICTATE the tempo. >> it worked in my studio on a prerecorded piece driven by a drummer >> playing midi pads so i dont see why the same logic would not work >> with different input types. same thing really. >> >> "logic audio" algorithm, non midi trigger inputs. > > > If you care to set up a computer on stage the software Circular > Logic seem to do that i real-time. Below I'm pasting in an earlier > post to this list by the application's developer Michael Stauffer, > so you can read up for yourself and eventually follow the links to > watch the demo movies. > > Regarding the tempo track and re-clocking functions of Logic I have > used them quite successfully for recorded audio, but I wouldn't > even think about trying it out for a live audio input. Actually I > have found, when producing recorded music, that I get better tempo > sync in Logic, to a recorded piece of music, when listening and > simply draw the tempo curve on the screen exactly the way I would > have played it if I was a drummer. Now I'm even a lousy Virtual > Drummer, so this method takes a lot of time. But it's better > because you can regain a little of what is lost in any tempo > following algorithm: the human perception and implementation of > gestures (that's where the fun is IMHO). Sometimes it feels good to > bring up the tempo map just a little bit before the recorded live > audio goes up in tempo and vice verca - only to balance the never > ending interplay between DRIVING and BEING DRIVEN so it kind of > creates a "dialogue" between the recorded audio and whatever is > happening in Logic (the stuff we're "syncing"). > > BTW I presume Live5 does this syncing up midi to recorded material > better than Logic at the moment. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > On Sep 14, 2004, at 19:33, Michael Stauffer wrote: >> Hey Griff, >> >> I'm the developer with the Circular Logic software InTime. Yes, >> you can >> set InTime up to follow a live drummer, either by using mic's and >> audio-to-midi software, or by using relatively inexpensive drum >> triggers - there's a discussion about setting up InTime with a >> drummer on >> our site: >> http://www.circular-logic.com/docs/Drummer_setup_tips.html >> >> As for Live, I've been messing with it myself for doing the kind of >> tempo-changing live-looping you're talking about - really cool >> software. >> The InTime video demo on our site actually uses Live to playback >> loops >> with tempo-changing while I play guitar: >> http://www.circular-logic.com/videos.html >> >> You've probably read already in this list that the setup for remote >> control in Live is awkward in some ways, and I recommend using >> Control >> Aid to simplify any midi-trigger setup you use. >> >> Ableton Live will do all the time-stretching, really nicely, like you >> hope, but there are two catches when using it with something like >> InTime >> >> 1) Live doesn't get the "warp points" (the sync points) of a loop >> correctly when the loop is recorded while the tempo is changing. >> So, if >> you record while InTime is changing the tempo, the loop doesn't >> play back >> in sync after you've finished recording it. I've tested this >> problem by >> using sources of tempo change other than InTime, and it's an >> oversight in >> Live's programming. It should be relatively easy for them to fix - >> since >> Live always know the tempo and the location of the beat during >> recording, >> it should be able to set the warp points using this information. >> Instead, >> after you record a loop while the tempo is changing, Live seems to >> treat >> it as a loop with overall steady tempo, and thus gets the warp points >> wrong. I've told Ableton about this problem, but if you were also >> to let >> them know that this is a drawback for you, it might help speed >> them along >> their way to fixing it. :) I posted a message about this in the user >> forum a couple months back if you want to look at it in more >> detail, or >> just ask me. It's pretty easy to workarond this, though - you can >> setup a >> midi trigger to disable/enable InTime's tempo-tracking, then when you >> want to record a loop you first disable the tracking so that >> InTime runs >> at a steady tempo, then reenable it when you want to jam and have the >> drummer control the tempo. >> >> 2) Live averages the incoming midi clocks over about 2 beats, so its >> response to tempo changes from InTime is somewhat dulled, but >> still very >> functional, as you can see in the video demo on our site. >> >> InTime for Mac OS X is still in public beta, but I'm readying it for >> release as we speak and it will be available soon. >> >> Let me know if you have any other questions. >> >> Cheers, >> Michael > --Apple-Mail-5--584897319 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 yes Live 5 does a better job of = varying the sample rate without change in pitch WAAAY better than logic = does. but it does not do any tempo interpreting itself.
    logics = interprreter is blowmind. if i really want to setup a computer onstage = for the interpretation, all i have to do is get an Alesis D4 andx it = would translate any analog pulse from a trigger on a drum to any = midinote i desire. this can then be sent to logic and voila i have = midiclock output following my drummer.
    but alas i dont have = the processing power to run both logic AND Live5 (which is what this is = all for as i want to trigger samples and basslines and and have them = follow the bands timing)
    logic does not do this very well and = i was force to buy Live5 as i could assign any sample to be triggered = externally from any button on my FCB1010.
    plus the added = benefit of samples not deteriorating with moderate changes in = tempo.

    i = guess it could be done and have logic drive the tempo of Live5 = internally but something tells me its not the safest thing to rely on in = a live situation u know what i mean?


    ___
    Adrian=A0Bartholomew
    8439 Lee Blvd
    Leawood, KS = 66206
    (913) 660-6918

     =

    On Nov 18, 2005, at 5:42 AM, Per Boysen = wrote:

    On Nov 17, 2005, at 20:59, = Adrian Bartholomew wrote:

    what i = have wanted for a long time is a hardware version of this that could = work on analog pulse input instead of midi.
    this = would enable my drummer to DICTATE the tempo.
    it worked in my studio on a prerecorded piece driven = by a drummer playing midi pads so i dont see why the same logic would = not work with different input types. same thing really.

    "logic = audio" algorithm, non midi trigger inputs.


    If you care = to set up a computer on stage the software Circular Logic seem to do = that i real-time. Below I'm pasting in an earlier post to this list by = the application's developer Michael Stauffer, so you can read up for = yourself and eventually follow the links to watch the demo = movies.

    Regarding the tempo track and re-clocking functions = of Logic I have used them quite successfully for recorded audio, but I = wouldn't even think about trying it out for a live audio input. Actually = I have found, when producing recorded music, that I get better tempo = sync in Logic, to a recorded piece of music, when listening and simply = draw the tempo curve on the screen exactly the way I would have played = it if I was a drummer. Now I'm even a lousy Virtual Drummer, so this = method takes a lot of time. But it's better because you can regain a = little of what is lost in any tempo following algorithm: the human = perception and implementation of gestures (that's where the fun is = IMHO). Sometimes it feels good to bring up the tempo map just a little = bit before the recorded live audio goes up in tempo and vice verca - = only to balance the never ending interplay between DRIVING and BEING = DRIVEN so it kind of creates a "dialogue" between the recorded audio and = whatever is happening in Logic (the stuff we're "syncing").

    BTW I = presume Live5 does this syncing up midi to recorded material better than = Logic at the moment.
    Greetings from Sweden

    Per = Boysen
    www.looproom.com = (international)
    www.boysen.se = (Swedish)
    --->=A0 iTunes Music Store = (digital)



    On Sep = 14, 2004, at 19:33, Michael Stauffer wrote:
    Hey Griff,

    I'm the = developer with the Circular Logic software InTime. Yes, you = can
    set InTime up to follow a live = drummer, either by using mic's and
    audio-to-midi = software, or by using relatively inexpensive drum
    triggers - there's a discussion about setting up = InTime with a drummer on
    our = site:

    As for = Live, I've been messing with it myself for doing the kind of
    tempo-changing live-looping you're talking about - = really cool software.
    The InTime video demo on = our site actually uses Live to playback loops
    with tempo-changing while I play guitar:
    You've probably read already in = this list that the setup for remote
    control in = Live is awkward in some ways, and I recommend using Control
    Aid to simplify any midi-trigger setup you = use.

    Ableton Live will do all the time-stretching, really = nicely, like you
    hope, but there are two catches = when using it with something like InTime

    1) Live = doesn't get the "warp points" (the sync points) of a loop
    correctly when the loop is recorded while the tempo = is changing. So, if
    you record while InTime is = changing the tempo, the loop doesn't play back
    in sync after you've finished recording it. I've = tested this problem by
    using sources of tempo = change other than InTime, and it's an oversight in
    Live's programming. It should be relatively easy for = them to fix - since
    Live always know the tempo = and the location of the beat during recording,
    it should be able to set the warp points using this = information. Instead,
    after you record a loop = while the tempo is changing, Live seems to treat
    it as a loop with overall steady tempo, and thus = gets the warp points
    wrong. I've told Ableton = about this problem, but if you were also to let
    them know that this is a drawback for you, it might = help speed them along
    their way to fixing it. = :)=A0 I posted a message = about this in the user
    forum a couple months back = if you want to look at it in more detail, or
    just ask me. It's pretty easy to workarond this, = though - you can setup a
    midi trigger = to disable/enable InTime's tempo-tracking, then when you
    want to record a loop you first disable the tracking = so that InTime runs
    at a steady tempo, then = reenable it when you want to jam and have the
    drummer control the tempo.

    2) Live = averages the incoming midi clocks over about 2 beats, so its
    response to tempo changes from InTime is somewhat = dulled, but still very
    functional, as you can see = in the video demo on our site.

    InTime for Mac OS X is still in = public beta, but I'm readying it for
    release as we = speak and it will be available soon.

    Let me know if you have any = other questions.

    Cheers,
    Michael
    =

    =

    = --Apple-Mail-5--584897319-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 19:14:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E9C73BEE8; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:14:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=P99hjyTXsv8pkdMRJPBhqM4DChsLBZO6QchVf1mruR4QDa43xIMaff9PiNFZ8+jZ54W2kAqLdflPBe6FWqNau4TY0LyBcRXHMO7OLTNupKxJkTXwyR7cDkTEIJmS9o0JRGfxH2qHrxiAi2VAd7MO0XURI1HC7/rV3Z+CqRuNPYc= ; Message-ID: <20051118191440.50768.qmail@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:14:40 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: New loop tool, sort of.. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051118114207.344E73BEFF@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:14:41 +0000 (UTC) Bill, When you see this Bose guy again, perhaps you could put in a plea for a "stereo PAS", that is a single PAS with every other speaker putting out L or R signal. All this would take is an additional amp inside the unit. Now I'm acutely aware of the fallacy of having a stereo field on the soundstage of most performance venues. Even if it does work for the performers on stage, it may not translate as much of an improvement to the audience. However, most keyboardists suffer from the fact that stereo acoustic piano samples sound terrible in mono. This is true with just about every piano sample out there in all the big names brands (Kurzweil, Korg, Yamaha, Roland, Alesis, etc.) Even the so-called "mono pianos" sound terrible. All it takes is separating the two channels in acoustic space to get the piano samples to sound halfway decent. This can be done within a PAS I'm pretty sure. Then again, stereo chorus effects, as well as a host of other ambient or panning effects will come through stronger with a single source stereo PAS compared to a mono one. Again, it's not about creating a stereo sound stage with separation between the channels. It's about giving the L and R channels their own physical space to emerge from, regardless of how close in proximity they are to each other. Anyone else have any thoughts or experience with this matter? Greetings from sunny Seattle, Stephen BillyBoyWalker wrote: Yo, Two nights ago I played test pilot for Rick Turner and an engineer from Bose labororatories. __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 19:22:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A32263BF0D; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:22:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3ZYrSAMelXngtgY7Dpz2dR7rpQsDE1UAH6rA3hqOj9Y2TkEfqfJUvHhGOHuZY1NKQZJqqwSv/KDOPdfbMH7XJ4dA0llshUBs1I6z/SgxJj4lDK2TCZSSw21dzphUZw0Sx6h3Xw77bkA2resWUT0EXrcv8tzkvOZUQw/UfYV9Lx8= ; Message-ID: <20051118192228.77658.qmail@web34204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:22:28 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V05 #746 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051118114207.344E73BEFF@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:22:30 +0000 (UTC) Warren, Naming can be a very powerful thing. Especially if you are able to describe within the name what is unique about the object to be named. Secondarily, the name can be pleasant to the ear, or at least memorable. Associations with other products is usually not desireable. When I hear the name AccuLoop, my mind immediately goes to all the cheaply designed and built woodworking tools from overseas. "Accu" as a prefix, just doesn't instill confidence in a product, at least to this boy. Naming your looper has the potential to make it or break it. A good example is the software called Chopitch. Does it mean that your chops will start itching? Good luck finding an appropriate name for it. Currently, AccuLoop doesn't do much for me. Regards, Stephen Warren wrote: It's a little hard for me to complete the docs, though, because I'm at sea for a name. I'm thinking maybe AccuLoop. Whaddya think? (that, totally without an explanation of what makes it special, is not exactly an easy question - but whether the name should be related to the specific features or not is also not an easy one). __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 19:30:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53A0D3BF11; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:30:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gu8nfnhc6zhCDKRsUb+4JA/vKNTvhoWb1/ZP/EbKK0XigCciOeo4FUjzBFYqQHUJ4xucqHvIqyrolQO/r8/ZRywlL5UW9rZ1FHqcloxrpvWi+mvPo9d3A64EL9darzfqYhHZNUBCZpHPn4rqaBqoYNnwKahoXyevhQC3Z+I5A+A= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:30:55 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DRIVE the LOOP or be DRIVEN? In-Reply-To: <67F69BC1-F18C-4D99-9541-97A8BD0EE719@bartholomusic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <008601c5ec2d$93d991c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <67F69BC1-F18C-4D99-9541-97A8BD0EE719@bartholomusic.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:30:57 +0000 (UTC) My guess is that they considered the market share they'd gain versus the amount of development, testing and implementation time (whenever I see someone say that "It would be SO EASY for SOMEONE ELSE to make something FOR ME", I know that it's almost certain that we're talking about a non-trivial problem) and decided that it wasn't worth it. TravisH On 11/18/05, Adrian Bartholomew wrote: > thanks for the interest. im adrian by the way:-) > > im on the lookout for a hardware version for live purposes just like u r.= i > was guided to a product called 34One that does tap tempo (with ur foot) > while outputting the tapped tempo in midiclock. > it also accepts continuous tapping while updating the changing midiclock > tempo. > so i was thinking that i could just electronically replace the switch tha= t > ur foot taps with a pulse trigger from a drum kit, say. i wrote to them = in > germany and they told me that they actually have a sapce on the pc board = to > insert that. GREAT! > BUT > they also said that it HAD to be ON the 1/4 note. > what drummer only plays 1/4 notes!!! arrrrgggghhhhh. > > so what i may need to build (i AM quite handy with electronics), is an > interface with the LOGIC logic built in and then feed the unit the quarte= r > note output of the translated tempo from the drummer. > i wish, really wish they would do this. cause its VERY simple to do if u > know anything about electronics and THEY DO. > bummer. why do manufacturers always fall short. its like they dont connec= t > with real musicians. > > but hey, maybe ill get rich. > > ___ > Adrian Bartholomew From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 20:38:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A29C93BF0C; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:38:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <008601c5ec2d$93d991c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <67F69BC1-F18C-4D99-9541-97A8BD0EE719@bartholomusic.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9--579730634 Message-Id: <02CB7B79-ECA4-43C1-8FDD-C22153CCCEEA@bartholomusic.com> From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: DRIVE the LOOP or be DRIVEN? Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:38:11 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.101 (HTML_MESSAGE) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:38:14 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-9--579730634 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed normally yes but not in this case. remember im going to make it if its not available. and if u r saying that a device that could slave machines to a human drummer is trivial and not commercially viable just cause no one MADE it yet, ur mistaken. certain things r just common sense no brainers. if everyone thought that way, there'd never have been things like the EDP in the 1st place. ___ Adrian Bartholomew 8439 Lee Blvd Leawood, KS 66206 (913) 660-6918 On Nov 18, 2005, at 1:30 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > My guess is that they considered the market share they'd gain versus > the amount of development, testing and implementation time (whenever I > see someone say that "It would be SO EASY for SOMEONE ELSE to make > something FOR ME", I know that it's almost certain that we're talking > about a non-trivial problem) and decided that it wasn't worth it. > > TravisH > > On 11/18/05, Adrian Bartholomew wrote: >> thanks for the interest. im adrian by the way:-) >> >> im on the lookout for a hardware version for live purposes just >> like u r. i >> was guided to a product called 34One that does tap tempo (with ur >> foot) >> while outputting the tapped tempo in midiclock. >> it also accepts continuous tapping while updating the changing >> midiclock >> tempo. >> so i was thinking that i could just electronically replace the >> switch that >> ur foot taps with a pulse trigger from a drum kit, say. i wrote >> to them in >> germany and they told me that they actually have a sapce on the pc >> board to >> insert that. GREAT! >> BUT >> they also said that it HAD to be ON the 1/4 note. >> what drummer only plays 1/4 notes!!! arrrrgggghhhhh. >> >> so what i may need to build (i AM quite handy with electronics), >> is an >> interface with the LOGIC logic built in and then feed the unit the >> quarter >> note output of the translated tempo from the drummer. >> i wish, really wish they would do this. cause its VERY simple to >> do if u >> know anything about electronics and THEY DO. >> bummer. why do manufacturers always fall short. its like they dont >> connect >> with real musicians. >> >> but hey, maybe ill get rich. >> >> ___ >> Adrian Bartholomew > > --Apple-Mail-9--579730634 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 normally yes but not in this = case.
    remember im going to make it if its not = available.

    and = if u r saying that a device that could slave machines to a human drummer = is trivial and not commercially viable just cause no one MADE it yet, ur = mistaken.
    certain things r just common sense no = brainers.
    if everyone thought that way, there'd never have = been things like the EDP in the 1st place.
    ___
    Adrian=A0Bartholomew
    8439 Lee Blvd
    Leawood, KS = 66206
    (913) 660-6918

     =

    On Nov 18, 2005, at 1:30 PM, Travis Hartnett = wrote:

    My guess is that they considered = the market share they'd gain versus
    the amount of = development, testing and implementation time (whenever I
    see someone say that "It would be SO EASY for = SOMEONE ELSE to make
    something FOR ME", I know = that it's almost certain that we're talking
    about a = non-trivial problem) and decided that it wasn't worth it.


    On 11/18/05, Adrian Bartholomew <adrian@bartholomusic.com> = wrote:
    thanks for = the interest. im adrian by the way:-)

    im on the = lookout for a hardware version for live purposes just like u r. = i
    was guided to a product called 34One that does = tap tempo (with ur foot)
    while = outputting the tapped tempo in midiclock.
    it also = accepts continuous tapping while updating the changing = midiclock
    tempo.
    so i was thinking that i could just electronically = replace the switch that
    ur foot taps = with a pulse trigger=A0 = from a drum kit, say. i wrote to them in
    germany and they told me that they actually have a = sapce on the pc board to
    insert that. = GREAT!
    BUT
    they = also said that it HAD to be ON the 1/4 note.
    what drummer only plays 1/4 notes!!! = arrrrgggghhhhh.

    so what i may need to build (i AM quite handy with = electronics), is an
    interface with the LOGIC = logic built in and then feed the unit the quarter
    note output of the translated tempo from the = drummer.
    i wish, really wish they would = do this. cause its VERY simple to do if u
    know = anything about electronics and THEY DO.
    bummer. = why do manufacturers always fall short. its like they dont = connect
    with real musicians.

    but hey, = maybe ill get rich.
    ___
    Adrian = Bartholomew


    =

    = --Apple-Mail-9--579730634-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 20:41:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBFD83BF16; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:41:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PQAUDxCfaeNPcRUPx/FVNsT03Rt8K1o6cs8iS/H05fL/e8FVplir12zp9652WH/L0kChGZ4b7451ug7ZQkHwZTgZMT7DMmiaXLGaEK6I5/gK3t3GuRKfGAQpK7izC3vDmQGzNLLwLoJlcWrJO9V+I6MA6cWPsVHAmOEcz/97iaI= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 12:41:30 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DRIVE the LOOP or be DRIVEN? In-Reply-To: <02CB7B79-ECA4-43C1-8FDD-C22153CCCEEA@bartholomusic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <008601c5ec2d$93d991c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <67F69BC1-F18C-4D99-9541-97A8BD0EE719@bartholomusic.com> <02CB7B79-ECA4-43C1-8FDD-C22153CCCEEA@bartholomusic.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:41:31 +0000 (UTC) No-one thought the EDP was going to be a simple job. Well, maybe Electrix did... On 11/18/05, Adrian Bartholomew wrote: > normally yes but not in this case. > remember im going to make it if its not available. > > and if u r saying that a device that could slave machines to a human drum= mer > is trivial and not commercially viable just cause no one MADE it yet, ur > mistaken. > certain things r just common sense no brainers. > if everyone thought that way, there'd never have been things like the EDP= in > the 1st place. > > ___ > Adrian Bartholomew > 8439 Lee Blvd > Leawood, KS 66206 > (913) 660-6918 > > > On Nov 18, 2005, at 1:30 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > My guess is that they considered the market share they'd gain versus > the amount of development, testing and implementation time (whenever I > see someone say that "It would be SO EASY for SOMEONE ELSE to make > something FOR ME", I know that it's almost certain that we're talking > about a non-trivial problem) and decided that it wasn't worth it. > > TravisH > > On 11/18/05, Adrian Bartholomew wrote: > thanks for the interest. im adrian by the way:-) > > im on the lookout for a hardware version for live purposes just like u r.= i > was guided to a product called 34One that does tap tempo (with ur foot) > while outputting the tapped tempo in midiclock. > it also accepts continuous tapping while updating the changing midiclock > tempo. > so i was thinking that i could just electronically replace the switch tha= t > ur foot taps with a pulse trigger from a drum kit, say. i wrote to them = in > germany and they told me that they actually have a sapce on the pc board = to > insert that. GREAT! > BUT > they also said that it HAD to be ON the 1/4 note. > what drummer only plays 1/4 notes!!! arrrrgggghhhhh. > > so what i may need to build (i AM quite handy with electronics), is an > interface with the LOGIC logic built in and then feed the unit the quarte= r > note output of the translated tempo from the drummer. > i wish, really wish they would do this. cause its VERY simple to do if u > know anything about electronics and THEY DO. > bummer. why do manufacturers always fall short. its like they dont connec= t > with real musicians. > > but hey, maybe ill get rich. > > ___ > Adrian Bartholomew > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 21:29:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41AD43BF0F; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:29:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wunVFalvQoLw5g0z525rFuviYI2oaV6+Jwp0OHeCDwv2awQSu6tUCtocWh602oSFS0FhQnvYiF6VJ2Dx3bVm+geS4qpOYNyeNEEAmeImer0HSZR3Pd9Z7tBhed4BPM+d9jwfzxFH4eJioRqc1kkbdDtM7uJRMztPOHf0lXIW0zg= ; Message-ID: <20051118212948.88503.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:29:48 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Eno gear To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:29:51 +0000 (UTC) Eno going software, eh? Interesting. I'm going through a similar process. I hate it when he copies me. Now if I could only get rid of the inflateable pig I picked up at the Rodger Waters garage sale... --- Aptrev@aol.com wrote: > > In case yoou missed it: > > http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2005/11/brian-eno-is-selling-lots-of-gear.html > > regards > > BobC > > > > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > http://trundlebox.iuma.com > http://tinyurl.com/cr25j > > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 21:42:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A55783BF0C; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:42:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Q1BJHH1JEzx3jq3KvygEvNgvgd/WN8P4rFYgY0nVJToUUQDQD2gaAAZ2/FuhoU/fLtwrJKyPNtqWWn0t6pJjkubOJ2gBGo0oNszX/xk5tJ4IJme+A9z9TCRrYu11FuErKXmq/b+T4ogN42D3vgcK3wteMerX6+ggqwcyZnsmrKQ= ; Message-ID: <20051118214201.85241.qmail@web81309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:42:00 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: tunes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000501c5eab6$eca438a0$a093fea9@epi741531r1soi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:42:02 +0000 (UTC) Great stuff! Thanks. They shall live on my iPod... --- ivan wrote: > Hello all! > > Here are two new tunes from us. Free for > downloading… > > MORH I > > http://www.triangulizona.com/mp3/arendered.mp3 > > and > > MORH II > > http://www.triangulizona.com/mp3/brendered.mp3 > > > It was recorded on Net MD Sony / MZ N710 with small > 4chanell noname > mixer > > Loop gear was Boss DD 20. > > Everything were live performance. > > Regards… > > > ivan kapec > ivan@triangulizona.com > www.triangulizona.com > > > > __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 21:54:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DA473BF17; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:54:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:56:04 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: Naming a software looper In-reply-to: <20051118192228.77658.qmail@web34204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003501c5ec8a$df247e80$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <0YInXC.A.1ZD.w2kfDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:54:57 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Stephen. I agree with you that names are important. That's why I'm struggling with it. I had a dream right before I woke up this morning - I don't remember what the dream was about, but one word was prominent in it: Helio. It doesn't have anything to do with looping, but then neither does Ableton (many other products are not named to reflect their capabilities). A dictionary search reveals that "Helios" was the god of the sun or something like that. So there's one name. Another that I thought of was MultiLoop, but I'm not sure how well that really reflects anything. I also thought of "FNEZ Looper" (read it out loud), but that's a bit on the crude side, I guess. One person I talked to liked it, someone else cringed. Cringing is not good. The things that are most unique about this looper (I think, I hope) are: - instant gratification, easy learning curve - Can be operated in hands-free mode; works with most footcontrollers (but a multi-bank footcontroller is best; basic functions can be in the first bank, advanced functions in others) - CD-quality, stereo looping - loop layers are independently mutable and re-mixable - built in digital multitrack recorder makes pristine recordings of your live playing, your loops and aux inputs (like the people you're playing with) - peak limiting on the output. In later versions, different forms of multiband compression will be supported - with a touch of your toe (here I go into marketing-speak), you can save all the loops into individual files for later processing with Acid or the DAW of your choice. - PC (XP) and MAC (OS/X) - affordability - I anticipate 3 versions, one at $89 or so, one at $199 and one at $299. - support for VST plugins to modify the input to the looper and the total mix output At present, it's a fairly basic looper/recorder. In addition to the basic looper, reverse is there, as well as continuously-varying playback speed, controlled by footpedal or mouse (the pitch changes, but it's a pretty good effect). But the architecture is very solid, and I expect to be adding fancy effects rapidly once I get past the initial hurdles of documentation, installers, security (I hate dealing with sw security, but you gotta do it), press releases and all that stuff. I put a couple of screenshots up at www.warrensirota.com/looper so you can get a better idea. I'd love naming suggestions suggestions and votes on the ones I've got: Helio (or Helios) and MultiLoop. Thanks, Warren Sirota www.warrensirota.com > -----Original Message----- > From: S V G [mailto:vsyevolod@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 2:22 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V05 #746 > > > > Warren, > > Naming can be a very powerful thing. Especially if you > are able to describe within the name what is unique about the > object to be named. Secondarily, the name can be pleasant to > the ear, or at least memorable. Associations with other > products is usually not desireable. > > When I hear the name AccuLoop, my mind immediately goes > to all the cheaply designed and built woodworking tools from > overseas. "Accu" as a prefix, just doesn't instill > confidence in a product, at least to this boy. > > Naming your looper has the potential to make it or break > it. A good example is the software called Chopitch. Does it > mean that your chops will start itching? > > Good luck finding an appropriate name for it. > Currently, AccuLoop doesn't do much for me. > > Regards, > > Stephen > > > > > Warren wrote: > It's a little hard for me to complete the docs, though, > because I'm at sea for a name. I'm thinking maybe AccuLoop. > Whaddya think? (that, totally without an explanation of what > makes it special, is not exactly an easy question - but > whether the name should be related to the specific features > or not is also not an easy one). > > > > > __________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 22:02:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EF6E3BF13; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:02:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YPFAlkPaEXbzVMH0f34kUVHNiFQXppYGSplJj7sCYN4YceUKiJZ3MSdi6S8T+wPcHbhZSoVe61dXJkI35VEfybYFVx0t88YwUbnHNPcd2wDG4Yi+5YSATxaJ/yHN6aDfST7mAHPYMhJ+tgHhKCx2DkU5NzR8sVIUh45gRoJyDWI= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:02:09 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Naming a software looper In-Reply-To: <003501c5ec8a$df247e80$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051118192228.77658.qmail@web34204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003501c5ec8a$df247e80$0202a8c0@Lightning> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:02:10 +0000 (UTC) Have you considered Fripp-In-A-Box? I hear the licensing rights are dead cheap on that one. On 11/18/05, Warren Sirota wrote: > > I'd love naming suggestions suggestions and votes on the ones I've got: > Helio (or Helios) and MultiLoop. > > Thanks, > Warren Sirota > www.warrensirota.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 22:05:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B6923BF1A; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:05:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AAAAANzZfUOCKYNiAQEBAQcKBx4 Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051118215334.028383d0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:03:10 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Naming of software In-Reply-To: <20051118193057.C718B3BF18@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051118193057.C718B3BF18@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:05:29 +0000 (UTC) > Naming your looper has the potential to make it or break > it. A good example is the software >called Chopitch. Does it mean that your chops will start itching? ah.. but you will remember it for ever :-) Wasn't there someone who came up with the name "loopitch" for a looper? What did you make of that? co-incidentally, I had to purchase database software called Accuracer. ...but I don't have an opinion about what makes a good software name ..........................evidently................................... andy butler www.mathons.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 22:10:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FC763BF25; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:10:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "frenchloops" To: Subject: RE : Naming a software looper Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:10:46 +0100 Message-ID: <002e01c5ec8c$ecd3d790$6a999d53@nom69pxtzsc526> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <003501c5ec8a$df247e80$0202a8c0@Lightning> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:10:53 +0000 (UTC) Hi Warren, maybe you could also try using anagrams to find something different for a name; I just tried a few things here : http://www.wordsmith.org/anagram/index.html "looper" returns "leo pro" which does not say a lot about loops but does not sound bad to me (leo =3D lion); "soft looper" returns "fortes loop" or "eros of plot",=20 "multiloop" returned ... "opium toll" !!! etc etc ... Francois -----Message d'origine----- De : Warren Sirota [mailto:wsirota@wsdesigns.com]=20 Envoy=E9 : vendredi 18 novembre 2005 22:56 =C0 : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet : Naming a software looper Thanks, Stephen. I agree with you that names are important. That's why I'm struggling with it. I had a dream right before I woke up this morning - I don't remember what the dream was about, but one word was prominent in it: Helio. It doesn't have anything to do with looping, but then neither does Ableton (many other products are not named to reflect their capabilities). A dictionary search reveals that "Helios" was the god of the sun or something like that. So there's one name. Another that I thought of was MultiLoop, but I'm not sure how well that really reflects anything. I also thought of "FNEZ Looper" (read it out loud), but that's a bit on the crude side, I guess. One person I talked to liked it, someone else cringed. Cringing is not good. The things that are most unique about this looper (I think, I hope) are: - instant gratification, easy learning curve - Can be operated in hands-free mode; works with most footcontrollers (but a multi-bank footcontroller is best; basic functions can be in the first bank, advanced functions in others) - CD-quality, stereo looping - loop layers are independently mutable and re-mixable - built in digital multitrack recorder makes pristine recordings of your live playing, your loops and aux inputs (like the people you're playing with) - peak limiting on the output. In later versions, different forms of multiband compression will be supported - with a touch of your toe (here I go into marketing-speak), you can save all the loops into individual files for later processing with Acid or the DAW of your choice. - PC (XP) and MAC (OS/X) - affordability - I anticipate 3 versions, one at $89 or so, one at $199 and one at $299. - support for VST plugins to modify the input to the looper and the total mix output At present, it's a fairly basic looper/recorder. In addition to the basic looper, reverse is there, as well as continuously-varying playback speed, controlled by footpedal or mouse (the pitch changes, but it's a pretty good effect). But the architecture is very solid, and I expect to be adding fancy effects rapidly once I get past the initial hurdles of documentation, installers, security (I hate dealing with sw security, but you gotta do it), press releases and all that stuff. I put a couple of screenshots up at www.warrensirota.com/looper so you can get a better idea. I'd love naming suggestions suggestions and votes on the ones I've got: Helio (or Helios) and MultiLoop. Thanks, Warren Sirota www.warrensirota.com > -----Original Message----- > From: S V G [mailto:vsyevolod@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 2:22 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V05 #746 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Warren, >=20 > Naming can be a very powerful thing. Especially if you > are able to describe within the name what is unique about the=20 > object to be named. Secondarily, the name can be pleasant to=20 > the ear, or at least memorable. Associations with other=20 > products is usually not desireable. >=20 > When I hear the name AccuLoop, my mind immediately goes > to all the cheaply designed and built woodworking tools from=20 > overseas. "Accu" as a prefix, just doesn't instill=20 > confidence in a product, at least to this boy. >=20 > Naming your looper has the potential to make it or break > it. A good example is the software called Chopitch. Does it=20 > mean that your chops will start itching? >=20 > Good luck finding an appropriate name for it. > Currently, AccuLoop doesn't do much for me. >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Stephen >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Warren wrote: > It's a little hard for me to complete the docs, though, > because I'm at sea for a name. I'm thinking maybe AccuLoop.=20 > Whaddya think? (that, totally without an explanation of what=20 > makes it special, is not exactly an easy question - but=20 > whether the name should be related to the specific features=20 > or not is also not an easy one). > =20 >=20 >=20 > =09 > __________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page!=20 > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 22:17:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D15C53BF28; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:17:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: <008601c5ec2d$93d991c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <67F69BC1-F18C-4D99-9541-97A8BD0EE719@bartholomusic.com> <02CB7B79-ECA4-43C1-8FDD-C22153CCCEEA@bartholomusic.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-10--573795636 Message-Id: From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: DRIVE the LOOP or be DRIVEN? Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:17:06 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.101 (HTML_MESSAGE) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:17:12 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-10--573795636 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed lol. well i never said it was. there was a need. very narrow need, it wasnt available and someone built it. loopers actually increase the need for what im looking for. ___ Adrian Bartholomew 8439 Lee Blvd Leawood, KS 66206 (913) 660-6918 On Nov 18, 2005, at 2:41 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > No-one thought the EDP was going to be a simple job. Well, maybe > Electrix did... > > On 11/18/05, Adrian Bartholomew wrote: >> normally yes but not in this case. >> remember im going to make it if its not available. >> >> and if u r saying that a device that could slave machines to a >> human drummer >> is trivial and not commercially viable just cause no one MADE it >> yet, ur >> mistaken. >> certain things r just common sense no brainers. >> if everyone thought that way, there'd never have been things like >> the EDP in >> the 1st place. >> >> ___ >> Adrian Bartholomew >> 8439 Lee Blvd >> Leawood, KS 66206 >> (913) 660-6918 >> >> >> On Nov 18, 2005, at 1:30 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: >> >> My guess is that they considered the market share they'd gain versus >> the amount of development, testing and implementation time >> (whenever I >> see someone say that "It would be SO EASY for SOMEONE ELSE to make >> something FOR ME", I know that it's almost certain that we're talking >> about a non-trivial problem) and decided that it wasn't worth it. >> >> TravisH >> >> On 11/18/05, Adrian Bartholomew wrote: >> thanks for the interest. im adrian by the way:-) >> >> im on the lookout for a hardware version for live purposes just >> like u r. i >> was guided to a product called 34One that does tap tempo (with ur >> foot) >> while outputting the tapped tempo in midiclock. >> it also accepts continuous tapping while updating the changing >> midiclock >> tempo. >> so i was thinking that i could just electronically replace the >> switch that >> ur foot taps with a pulse trigger from a drum kit, say. i wrote >> to them in >> germany and they told me that they actually have a sapce on the pc >> board to >> insert that. GREAT! >> BUT >> they also said that it HAD to be ON the 1/4 note. >> what drummer only plays 1/4 notes!!! arrrrgggghhhhh. >> >> so what i may need to build (i AM quite handy with electronics), >> is an >> interface with the LOGIC logic built in and then feed the unit the >> quarter >> note output of the translated tempo from the drummer. >> i wish, really wish they would do this. cause its VERY simple to >> do if u >> know anything about electronics and THEY DO. >> bummer. why do manufacturers always fall short. its like they dont >> connect >> with real musicians. >> >> but hey, maybe ill get rich. >> >> ___ >> Adrian Bartholomew >> >> >> >> > > --Apple-Mail-10--573795636 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 lol.
    well i never said it = was.
    there was a need. very narrow need, it wasnt available = and someone built it.

    loopers actually increase = the need for what im looking for.
    ___
    Adrian=A0Bartholomew
    8439 Lee Blvd
    Leawood, KS = 66206
    (913) 660-6918

     =

    On Nov 18, 2005, at 2:41 PM, Travis Hartnett = wrote:

    No-one thought the EDP was going = to be a simple job.=A0 = Well, maybe
    Electrix did...

    On = 11/18/05, Adrian Bartholomew <adrian@bartholomusic.com> = wrote:
    normally yes = but not in this case.
    remember im going to make = it if its not available.

    and if u r saying that a device = that could slave machines to a human drummer
    is trivial and not commercially viable just cause no = one MADE it yet, ur
    mistaken.
    certain things r just common sense no = brainers.
    if everyone thought that way, = there'd never have been things like the EDP in
    the 1st place.

    ___
    Adrian = Bartholomew
    8439 Lee Blvd
    Leawood, KS 66206
    (913) = 660-6918


    On Nov = 18, 2005, at 1:30 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote:

    My guess = is that they considered the market share they'd gain versus
    the amount of development, testing and = implementation time (whenever I
    see someone = say that "It would be SO EASY for SOMEONE ELSE to make
    something FOR ME", I know that it's almost certain = that we're talking
    about a non-trivial = problem) and decided that it wasn't worth it.


    On 11/18/05, Adrian Bartholomew <adrian@bartholomusic.com> = wrote:
    thanks for the interest. im = adrian by the way:-)
    im on the lookout for a hardware = version for live purposes just like u r. i
    was = guided to a product called 34One that does tap tempo (with ur = foot)
    while outputting the tapped = tempo in midiclock.
    it also accepts continuous = tapping while updating the changing midiclock
    tempo.
    so i was = thinking that i could just electronically replace the switch = that
    ur foot taps with a pulse = trigger=A0 from a drum kit, = say. i wrote to them in
    germany and = they told me that they actually have a sapce on the pc board = to
    insert that. GREAT!
    BUT
    they also = said that it HAD to be ON the 1/4 note.
    what = drummer only plays 1/4 notes!!! arrrrgggghhhhh.

    so what = i may need to build (i AM quite handy with electronics), is an
    interface with the LOGIC logic built in and then = feed the unit the quarter
    note output = of the translated tempo from the drummer.
    i wish, = really wish they would do this. cause its VERY simple to do if = u
    know anything about electronics and THEY = DO.
    bummer. why do manufacturers = always fall short. its like they dont connect
    with real musicians.

    but hey, = maybe ill get rich.
    ___
    Adrian = Bartholomew






    =

    = --Apple-Mail-10--573795636-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 22:21:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3759D3BF34; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:21:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YvspqTTySB5Sw2WRquzTAQmII/3dTljmiQSeCTItmidysXAwaG8w4C2lFiViRniN9MclzDOBvaMMoFmeYnrSbynXrzx7z5p3SKacH/m+ri88Igs3aA5btPsGuxCdCmdbaV59XBKVyJ3YGRxUw9FE+49lWCERUI8XUWY/kMTRgas= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:21:27 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Naming of software In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20051118215334.028383d0@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051118193057.C718B3BF18@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051118215334.028383d0@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:21:29 +0000 (UTC) "Loopitch" sounds like sticky stuff that runs down the outside of the toiletbowl, you know, "loo pitch". On 11/18/05, a k butler wrote: > > > Naming your looper has the potential to make it or break > > it. A good example is the software > >called Chopitch. Does it mean that your chops will start itching? > > ah.. > but you will remember it for ever :-) > > Wasn't there someone who came up with the name "loopitch" for a looper? > What did you make of that? > > co-incidentally, I had to purchase database software called Accuracer. > ...but I don't have an opinion about what makes a good software name > ..........................evidently................................... > > andy butler > www.mathons.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 22:37:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C9D33BF02; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:37:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Naming a software looper Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:37:06 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <003501c5ec8a$df247e80$0202a8c0@Lightning> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:37:10 +0000 (UTC) That sounds very cool, do you think it will be simple enough to market it to students/ teenagers, and beginners as a practice tool? That is an area I think some company should address. Making this technology simple enough that it could help a young music student get better, would open up looping technology to a whole new market. Here's another name, Practiceperferct, or PP for short. a product simple enough for a beginner, but deep enough for a pro. Shudder to think. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Warren Sirota [mailto:wsirota@wsdesigns.com] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 1:56 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Naming a software looper Thanks, Stephen. I agree with you that names are important. That's why I'm struggling with it. I had a dream right before I woke up this morning - I don't remember what the dream was about, but one word was prominent in it: Helio. It doesn't have anything to do with looping, but then neither does Ableton (many other products are not named to reflect their capabilities). A dictionary search reveals that "Helios" was the god of the sun or something like that. So there's one name. Another that I thought of was MultiLoop, but I'm not sure how well that really reflects anything. I also thought of "FNEZ Looper" (read it out loud), but that's a bit on the crude side, I guess. One person I talked to liked it, someone else cringed. Cringing is not good. The things that are most unique about this looper (I think, I hope) are: - instant gratification, easy learning curve - Can be operated in hands-free mode; works with most footcontrollers (but a multi-bank footcontroller is best; basic functions can be in the first bank, advanced functions in others) - CD-quality, stereo looping - loop layers are independently mutable and re-mixable - built in digital multitrack recorder makes pristine recordings of your live playing, your loops and aux inputs (like the people you're playing with) - peak limiting on the output. In later versions, different forms of multiband compression will be supported - with a touch of your toe (here I go into marketing-speak), you can save all the loops into individual files for later processing with Acid or the DAW of your choice. - PC (XP) and MAC (OS/X) - affordability - I anticipate 3 versions, one at $89 or so, one at $199 and one at $299. - support for VST plugins to modify the input to the looper and the total mix output At present, it's a fairly basic looper/recorder. In addition to the basic looper, reverse is there, as well as continuously-varying playback speed, controlled by footpedal or mouse (the pitch changes, but it's a pretty good effect). But the architecture is very solid, and I expect to be adding fancy effects rapidly once I get past the initial hurdles of documentation, installers, security (I hate dealing with sw security, but you gotta do it), press releases and all that stuff. I put a couple of screenshots up at www.warrensirota.com/looper so you can get a better idea. I'd love naming suggestions suggestions and votes on the ones I've got: Helio (or Helios) and MultiLoop. Thanks, Warren Sirota www.warrensirota.com > -----Original Message----- > From: S V G [mailto:vsyevolod@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 2:22 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V05 #746 > > > > Warren, > > Naming can be a very powerful thing. Especially if you > are able to describe within the name what is unique about the > object to be named. Secondarily, the name can be pleasant to > the ear, or at least memorable. Associations with other > products is usually not desireable. > > When I hear the name AccuLoop, my mind immediately goes > to all the cheaply designed and built woodworking tools from > overseas. "Accu" as a prefix, just doesn't instill > confidence in a product, at least to this boy. > > Naming your looper has the potential to make it or break > it. A good example is the software called Chopitch. Does it > mean that your chops will start itching? > > Good luck finding an appropriate name for it. > Currently, AccuLoop doesn't do much for me. > > Regards, > > Stephen > > > > > Warren wrote: > It's a little hard for me to complete the docs, though, > because I'm at sea for a name. I'm thinking maybe AccuLoop. > Whaddya think? (that, totally without an explanation of what > makes it special, is not exactly an easy question - but > whether the name should be related to the specific features > or not is also not an easy one). > > > > > __________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 23:02:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B63E03BF13; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:02:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.1.051004 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 18:02:33 -0500 Subject: Re: Naming of software From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Naming of software Thread-Index: AcXslCiTZv3s1liHEdqBEQAKldLXPg== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:02:43 +0000 (UTC) Or like something you get from too much looping... On 11/18/05 5:21 PM, "Travis Hartnett" wrote: > "Loopitch" sounds like sticky stuff that runs down the outside of the > toiletbowl, you know, "loo pitch". >=20 > On 11/18/05, a k butler wrote: >>=20 >>> Naming your looper has the potential to make it or break >>> it. A good example is the software >>> called Chopitch. Does it mean that your chops will start itching? >>=20 >> ah.. >> but you will remember it for ever :-) >>=20 >> Wasn't there someone who came up with the name "loopitch" for a looper? >> What did you make of that? >>=20 >> co-incidentally, I had to purchase database software called Accuracer. >> ...but I don't have an opinion about what makes a good software name >> ..........................evidently................................... >>=20 >> andy butler >> www.mathons.com >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com http://www.ethelcentral.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 23:06:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E1F53BF01; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:06:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:06:08 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Naming a software looper In-reply-to: <003501c5ec8a$df247e80$0202a8c0@Lightning> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <437E5E60.90608@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <003501c5ec8a$df247e80$0202a8c0@Lightning> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:06:27 +0000 (UTC) > The things that are most unique about this looper (I think, I hope) are: > > - instant gratification, easy learning curve That would probably be unique among software loopers with similar features. There are several easy to use loopers, but they don't have all the features you list. > - Can be operated in hands-free mode; works with most footcontrollers > (but a multi-bank footcontroller is best; basic functions can be in > the first bank, advanced functions in others) > - CD-quality, stereo looping Every software looper I've seen supports MIDI control and CD quality stereo. > - loop layers are independently mutable and re-mixable It depends on what you mean by "layers". A few loopers support multiple "tracks" which you record and mutate independently, and if the tracks are made to be of identical size you achieve an effect similar to layers of overdubs. The challenge here is to make it so you can record into successive tracks as easily as you would just make several overdub passes in a single track looper. > - built in digital multitrack recorder makes pristine recordings of your > live playing, your loops and aux inputs (like the people you're playing > with) That's probably unique, though I know of one that has a relatively crude way to capture an entire performance. What typically happens is that the looper is itself a VST plugin that runs within a host that supports recording. > - peak limiting on the output. In later versions, different forms of > multiband compression will be supported May be unique at the moment. > - with a touch of your toe (here I go into marketing-speak), you can > save all the loops into individual files for later processing with > Acid or the DAW of your choice. Several of the more complex loopers will allow you to save loops to files. I know of one that let's you save all state with one touch-o-the-toe. > - PC (XP) and MAC (OS/X) I can't think of any non-commercial cross-platform loopers. The closest thing would be the PSP-42 and PSP-84. > - support for VST plugins to modify the input to the looper and the > total mix output Having the looper host plugins is a powerful concept, but I would suggest you consider having the looper *be* a VST plugin instead or in addition. If you want to get into the VST hosting game, then you're going to be competing with the likes of Bidule, EnergyXT, and Live. If ease of use is the primary goal, then being a limited host is a good thing. But if you want to be flexible, being a VST is better. > - affordability - I anticipate 3 versions, one at $89 or so, one at > $199 and one at $299. With all due respect, I think you're going to find that the market for a software looper priced over $99 is rather small, especially if you're targeting customers for whom "ease of use" is a primary concern. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 18 23:56:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CEA943BEFB; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:56:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 15:52:39 -0800 (PST) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: digitalhell Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: CAKEWALK SONAR HOME STUDIO 4 opinions? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <9idxJC.A.HYC.VomfDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:56:05 +0000 (UTC) I am looking for a simple but flexible software program and will first and foremost let me load and use VST and other plugins as well as basic midi and audio tracks. I don't need anything too fancy but have never quite gotten the VST thing down so I'm looking at introductory software packages. I have Acid (for loops and things) and Audition (for WAV file editing) so I don't need a lot of those items. Cakewalk makes Sonar Home studio which seem to do the trick but I'm wondering if there are any other programs out there in the $100 or colse to it range that might comparable. I have a midiman Quatro soundcard so AISO drivers woudl be a big plus (can't find out if Sonar supports this or not. Any suggestions pro or con appreciated. ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 00:08:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90E223BF07; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:08:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mKVt8Kq05pxxqde0S/b4HtrgSC17NWCe0bU7I+5ZjbPQT6ev9bb5QaYXrpGAH2exiq3UIAELdvvjvkPN3FH2OrVVsk2lmv7A0Rg8zTUAQGMBzZhdW7HHr8ElSezJhD06KQSyUTUximCh9ghH8nrsFPszha19JAh7lJyARfghqXs= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 16:08:24 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CAKEWALK SONAR HOME STUDIO 4 opinions? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:08:25 +0000 (UTC) I used to use Cubasis, and I know they used to have a $100 package that would do that, not sure if they still do. TravisH On 11/18/05, Legion wrote: > > I am looking for a simple but flexible software program and will first an= d > foremost let me load and use VST and other plugins as well as basic midi > and audio tracks. I don't need anything too fancy but have never quite > gotten the VST thing down so I'm looking at introductory software > packages. I have Acid (for loops and things) and Audition (for WAV file > editing) so I don't need a lot of those items. > > Cakewalk makes Sonar Home studio which seem to do the trick but I'm > wondering if there are any other programs out there in the $100 or colse > to it range that might comparable. I have a midiman Quatro soundcard so > AISO drivers woudl be a big plus (can't find out if Sonar supports this o= r > not. > > Any suggestions pro or con appreciated. > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com > "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." > > Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and > info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 00:26:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7607B3BEF8; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:26:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00be01c5ec9f$d34f1e20$5aa3eb44@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: Subject: Re: CAKEWALK SONAR HOME STUDIO 4 opinions? Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:26:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:26:06 +0000 (UTC) Hi: I think Sonar Home Studio is somewhat comparable to the Pro Tracks Plus software I'm using that came with my Digitech GNX4 (at least that's what I heard). I also have a Cubase version that set me back a few bucks. I have to say, though, that I really like the Sonar product. It's fairly easy to use and seems pretty robust. 'Course I'm using it with a GNX4 and one of the things I do is "hands-free" recording with it -you can't beat that. CUbase is a great product with a myriad of features and terrific sound quality but it can be a pain to use. Don't know how much easier Cubasis is to use than Sonar. Regards, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Legion" To: "digitalhell" Cc: Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 6:52 PM Subject: CAKEWALK SONAR HOME STUDIO 4 opinions? > > I am looking for a simple but flexible software program and will first and > foremost let me load and use VST and other plugins as well as basic midi > and audio tracks. I don't need anything too fancy but have never quite > gotten the VST thing down so I'm looking at introductory software > packages. I have Acid (for loops and things) and Audition (for WAV file > editing) so I don't need a lot of those items. > > Cakewalk makes Sonar Home studio which seem to do the trick but I'm > wondering if there are any other programs out there in the $100 or colse > to it range that might comparable. I have a midiman Quatro soundcard so > AISO drivers woudl be a big plus (can't find out if Sonar supports this or > not. > > Any suggestions pro or con appreciated. > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com > "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." > > Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and > info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 01:03:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08C5A3BF07; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 01:03:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sLBpCLn3Te8E2F/YMJPTmJq931OPYRCJQ3PJ6ALbvInyaYWxrkgNZjv3Rvj9KeV6A/yB1pRZeIpfHfAjqaz6X4lfQSTeKNN7UC1c4+mLVeoddzV0OqXA41/Vthk3z3W5AnWvP2cm67DRQTsAmGGGOvjcJqmrs1NkI9b+s0xk45k= Message-ID: <588ce11d0511181703o3bc94205gd240af080b1a5709@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:03:35 -0800 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Naming a software looper In-Reply-To: <437E5E60.90608@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <003501c5ec8a$df247e80$0202a8c0@Lightning> <437E5E60.90608@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 01:03:36 +0000 (UTC) I vote for "Opium Toll". "Helios" is a close second. I'm a big fan of Stockhausen's "Trans", so I'm all for dream inspired art. (Hi Warren, I think we were in the same program at Mills a couple decades a= go) On 11/18/05, Jeff Larson wrote: > > > The things that are most unique about this looper (I think, I hope) ar= e: > > > > - instant gratification, easy learning curve > > That would probably be unique among software loopers with similar > features. There are several easy to use loopers, but they don't have > all the features you list. > > > - Can be operated in hands-free mode; works with most footcontrollers > > (but a multi-bank footcontroller is best; basic functions can be in > > the first bank, advanced functions in others) > > - CD-quality, stereo looping > > Every software looper I've seen supports MIDI control and CD quality ster= eo. > > > - loop layers are independently mutable and re-mixable > > It depends on what you mean by "layers". A few loopers support > multiple "tracks" which you record and mutate independently, and if > the tracks are made to be of identical size you achieve an effect > similar to layers of overdubs. The challenge here is to make it so you > can record into successive tracks as easily as you would just make > several overdub passes in a single track looper. > > > - built in digital multitrack recorder makes pristine recordings of yo= ur > > live playing, your loops and aux inputs (like the people you're playin= g > > with) > > That's probably unique, though I know of one that has a relatively > crude way to capture an entire performance. What typically happens is > that the looper is itself a VST plugin that runs within a host that > supports recording. > > > - peak limiting on the output. In later versions, different forms of > > multiband compression will be supported > > May be unique at the moment. > > > - with a touch of your toe (here I go into marketing-speak), you can > > save all the loops into individual files for later processing with > > Acid or the DAW of your choice. > > Several of the more complex loopers will allow you to save loops to > files. I know of one that let's you save all state with one touch-o-the-= toe. > > > - PC (XP) and MAC (OS/X) > > I can't think of any non-commercial cross-platform loopers. The closest > thing would be the PSP-42 and PSP-84. > > > - support for VST plugins to modify the input to the looper and the > > total mix output > > Having the looper host plugins is a powerful concept, but I would > suggest you consider having the looper *be* a VST plugin > instead or in addition. If you want to get into the VST hosting > game, then you're going to be competing with the likes of Bidule, > EnergyXT, and Live. If ease of use is the primary goal, then being > a limited host is a good thing. But if you want to be flexible, > being a VST is better. > > > - affordability - I anticipate 3 versions, one at $89 or so, one at > > $199 and one at $299. > > With all due respect, I think you're going to find that the market for > a software looper priced over $99 is rather small, especially if > you're targeting customers for whom "ease of use" is a primary concern. > > Jeff > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 01:07:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 767E13BF0D; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 01:07:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dFegI64SvNLCGezUGxCQEV/cbNLheMJzt4zQoIGsLGCJE4S3eYU8EZQf6gmoFjvqnuOQUYeYbMHXQWxs1MWdRkiXgKY8Ae9c21BlEr79Xbj7mpqqurTojVVkqropjkMa+mR6PnUXPi1GYppwPL7ao5/ySOMNi86HYAetU4cGpp4= Message-ID: <588ce11d0511181707h570702f9y4d19e688d8608173@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:07:15 -0800 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Naming a software looper In-Reply-To: <437E5E60.90608@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <003501c5ec8a$df247e80$0202a8c0@Lightning> <437E5E60.90608@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9-cDqC.A.e4E.ErnfDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 01:07:16 +0000 (UTC) Oh, I forgot to put in a feature request: Time warping, so you can compose music and spend time with your 3 year old child. : ) On 11/18/05, Jeff Larson wrote: > > > The things that are most unique about this looper (I think, I hope) ar= e: > > > > - instant gratification, easy learning curve > > That would probably be unique among software loopers with similar > features. There are several easy to use loopers, but they don't have > all the features you list. > > > - Can be operated in hands-free mode; works with most footcontrollers > > (but a multi-bank footcontroller is best; basic functions can be in > > the first bank, advanced functions in others) > > - CD-quality, stereo looping > > Every software looper I've seen supports MIDI control and CD quality ster= eo. > > > - loop layers are independently mutable and re-mixable > > It depends on what you mean by "layers". A few loopers support > multiple "tracks" which you record and mutate independently, and if > the tracks are made to be of identical size you achieve an effect > similar to layers of overdubs. The challenge here is to make it so you > can record into successive tracks as easily as you would just make > several overdub passes in a single track looper. > > > - built in digital multitrack recorder makes pristine recordings of yo= ur > > live playing, your loops and aux inputs (like the people you're playin= g > > with) > > That's probably unique, though I know of one that has a relatively > crude way to capture an entire performance. What typically happens is > that the looper is itself a VST plugin that runs within a host that > supports recording. > > > - peak limiting on the output. In later versions, different forms of > > multiband compression will be supported > > May be unique at the moment. > > > - with a touch of your toe (here I go into marketing-speak), you can > > save all the loops into individual files for later processing with > > Acid or the DAW of your choice. > > Several of the more complex loopers will allow you to save loops to > files. I know of one that let's you save all state with one touch-o-the-= toe. > > > - PC (XP) and MAC (OS/X) > > I can't think of any non-commercial cross-platform loopers. The closest > thing would be the PSP-42 and PSP-84. > > > - support for VST plugins to modify the input to the looper and the > > total mix output > > Having the looper host plugins is a powerful concept, but I would > suggest you consider having the looper *be* a VST plugin > instead or in addition. If you want to get into the VST hosting > game, then you're going to be competing with the likes of Bidule, > EnergyXT, and Live. If ease of use is the primary goal, then being > a limited host is a good thing. But if you want to be flexible, > being a VST is better. > > > - affordability - I anticipate 3 versions, one at $89 or so, one at > > $199 and one at $299. > > With all due respect, I think you're going to find that the market for > a software looper priced over $99 is rather small, especially if > you're targeting customers for whom "ease of use" is a primary concern. > > Jeff > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 02:03:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E7163BF01; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 02:03:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=iBSDdtEipmDHI/hpVur5ly4Iv+x2RIWWlB/2CjOsdix0md1sz1vZXnANRXsy57fv; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200511619275690@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Naming a software looper Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:07:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94010b9464fcf65989c9e705b22074e5b9f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.21.15 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 02:03:46 +0000 (UTC) How about Brown 25? ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Art Simon > To: > Date: 11/18/2005 8:03:36 PM > Subject: Re: Naming a software looper > > I vote for "Opium Toll". "Helios" is a close second. I'm a big fan of > Stockhausen's "Trans", so I'm all for dream inspired art. > > (Hi Warren, I think we were in the same program at Mills a couple decades ago) > > On 11/18/05, Jeff Larson wrote: > > > > > The things that are most unique about this looper (I think, I hope) are: > > > > > > - instant gratification, easy learning curve > > > > That would probably be unique among software loopers with similar > > features. There are several easy to use loopers, but they don't have > > all the features you list. > > > > > - Can be operated in hands-free mode; works with most footcontrollers > > > (but a multi-bank footcontroller is best; basic functions can be in > > > the first bank, advanced functions in others) > > > - CD-quality, stereo looping > > > > Every software looper I've seen supports MIDI control and CD quality stereo. > > > > > - loop layers are independently mutable and re-mixable > > > > It depends on what you mean by "layers". A few loopers support > > multiple "tracks" which you record and mutate independently, and if > > the tracks are made to be of identical size you achieve an effect > > similar to layers of overdubs. The challenge here is to make it so you > > can record into successive tracks as easily as you would just make > > several overdub passes in a single track looper. > > > > > - built in digital multitrack recorder makes pristine recordings of your > > > live playing, your loops and aux inputs (like the people you're playing > > > with) > > > > That's probably unique, though I know of one that has a relatively > > crude way to capture an entire performance. What typically happens is > > that the looper is itself a VST plugin that runs within a host that > > supports recording. > > > > > - peak limiting on the output. In later versions, different forms of > > > multiband compression will be supported > > > > May be unique at the moment. > > > > > - with a touch of your toe (here I go into marketing-speak), you can > > > save all the loops into individual files for later processing with > > > Acid or the DAW of your choice. > > > > Several of the more complex loopers will allow you to save loops to > > files. I know of one that let's you save all state with one touch-o-the-toe. > > > > > - PC (XP) and MAC (OS/X) > > > > I can't think of any non-commercial cross-platform loopers. The closest > > thing would be the PSP-42 and PSP-84. > > > > > - support for VST plugins to modify the input to the looper and the > > > total mix output > > > > Having the looper host plugins is a powerful concept, but I would > > suggest you consider having the looper *be* a VST plugin > > instead or in addition. If you want to get into the VST hosting > > game, then you're going to be competing with the likes of Bidule, > > EnergyXT, and Live. If ease of use is the primary goal, then being > > a limited host is a good thing. But if you want to be flexible, > > being a VST is better. > > > > > - affordability - I anticipate 3 versions, one at $89 or so, one at > > > $199 and one at $299. > > > > With all due respect, I think you're going to find that the market for > > a software looper priced over $99 is rather small, especially if > > you're targeting customers for whom "ease of use" is a primary concern. > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 02:12:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9996F3BF0D; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 02:12:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: CAKEWALK SONAR HOME STUDIO 4 opinions? Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:13:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcXsm6OsA2CkmCzMQgmZ5DFjvy6kuwAEutWA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <20051119021201.1F4483BEF3@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 02:12:02 +0000 (UTC) My friend has cakewalk music creator pro and paid $60 and loves it. I've got sonar 5 and they are very comparable in the most used features. The only glaring difference is that the MCP can only record 2 tracks at a time but playback as many as your machine can handle. -----Original Message----- From: Legion [mailto:legion@helpwantedproductions.com] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 6:53 PM To: digitalhell Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: CAKEWALK SONAR HOME STUDIO 4 opinions? I am looking for a simple but flexible software program and will first and foremost let me load and use VST and other plugins as well as basic midi and audio tracks. I don't need anything too fancy but have never quite gotten the VST thing down so I'm looking at introductory software packages. I have Acid (for loops and things) and Audition (for WAV file editing) so I don't need a lot of those items. Cakewalk makes Sonar Home studio which seem to do the trick but I'm wondering if there are any other programs out there in the $100 or colse to it range that might comparable. I have a midiman Quatro soundcard so AISO drivers woudl be a big plus (can't find out if Sonar supports this or not. Any suggestions pro or con appreciated. ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 03:38:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7871B3BF04; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 03:38:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CVeEm03tDBJvretywYAwr3TeYyOiskqxWWFFVnBCMSnOk/DDAZ6CiVWmM+f8KfXR6DQHnLcnIPMLDLS7aZ//FpFUFyFHvp2RlJWIkGjjtJVm0IKanLFM6OYGvkj+LqptVBxZs0uX51ja0XppFpQo1oO25R0iuj9j6OYmDAdWKKo= Message-ID: <64b81a780511181938t517301b0o832d6cb95c878eef@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:38:21 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Naming of software In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 03:38:24 +0000 (UTC) Or perhaps as part of looper withdrawal after being away from your gear for too long. In any case, I've heard rumor they're developing a topical ointment that might help. :} On 11/18/05, todd reynolds wrote: > Or like something you get from too much looping... > > > On 11/18/05 5:21 PM, "Travis Hartnett" wrote: > > > "Loopitch" sounds like sticky stuff that runs down the outside of the > > toiletbowl, you know, "loo pitch". > > > > On 11/18/05, a k butler wrote: > >> > >>> Naming your looper has the potential to make it or break > >>> it. A good example is the software > >>> called Chopitch. Does it mean that your chops will start itching? > >> > >> ah.. > >> but you will remember it for ever :-) > >> > >> Wasn't there someone who came up with the name "loopitch" for a looper= ? > >> What did you make of that? > >> > >> co-incidentally, I had to purchase database software called Accuracer. > >> ...but I don't have an opinion about what makes a good software name > >> ..........................evidently................................... > >> > >> andy butler > >> www.mathons.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 03:47:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 860593BF10; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 03:47:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BrzaUPyct/tTRaLXpBGYtIZiiwN1iL/f5TLdPWx4Lb69K9vmgdjfTtqn94eop+XLXpKArxYQcoNP6D1QPRdcWA5x7TgmukDSRRT/Koz+gLRiAzvzM0QV4MZDmE7Ik5TQnL2D36GYukMTNNO4mj5xzqbQJFfmcDVoIyu/uIWvLYg= Message-ID: <64b81a780511181947q740f6c0fxe8d7037e0fd0bc5e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:47:50 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers' Delight Subject: Re: Naming a software looper In-Reply-To: <410-2200511619275690@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <410-2200511619275690@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 03:47:54 +0000 (UTC) I'll throw my vote in with Helios or Helios Loop or similar. You know, the sun keeps going round & round, but each day is different.=20 Solar flares also come to mind...massive amounts of plasma arcing along magnetic field loops...very cool. T. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 03:52:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9789F3BF17; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 03:52:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bgDT7UOAhpJ2dnMZJsYubmWKRoLIiPEyJL6FXteHguqWplmBzVeLocSsz2DjYau8AE8sEO7i2sqATKhRU/KHEr2e+gv+zWRB1TEgxic/+6xXhY7WNgAv6QUY319nYj6QyFfX9z2HBoeCn+j68jeyvJR56P08e7+zjgd3YcWVsyE= Message-ID: <64b81a780511181952s3bb93144o1c31a01f8f95073e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:52:21 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CAKEWALK SONAR HOME STUDIO 4 opinions? In-Reply-To: <20051119021201.1F4483BEF3@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051119021201.1F4483BEF3@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9Owh9.A.ucB.3FqfDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 03:52:23 +0000 (UTC) I've used several versions of Sonar (and Cakewalk before that) and have enjoyed working with them all. However, I've heard that Sonar is not the best choice for working with VST plugins. Since I'm light on plugins, I can't say from personal experience, but I wanted to pass on what I'd heard. Otherwise, I feel Sonar is generally pretty intuitive and easy to work with and that's saying a lot for software as complex as a DAW. T. On 11/18/05, Bill Edmondson wrote: > My friend has cakewalk music creator pro and paid $60 and loves it. I've = got > sonar 5 and they are very comparable in the most used features. The only > glaring difference is that the MCP can only record 2 tracks at a time but > playback as many as your machine can handle. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Legion [mailto:legion@helpwantedproductions.com] > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 6:53 PM > To: digitalhell > Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: CAKEWALK SONAR HOME STUDIO 4 opinions? > > > I am looking for a simple but flexible software program and will first an= d > foremost let me load and use VST and other plugins as well as basic midi > and audio tracks. I don't need anything too fancy but have never quite > gotten the VST thing down so I'm looking at introductory software > packages. I have Acid (for loops and things) and Audition (for WAV file > editing) so I don't need a lot of those items. > > Cakewalk makes Sonar Home studio which seem to do the trick but I'm > wondering if there are any other programs out there in the $100 or colse > to it range that might comparable. I have a midiman Quatro soundcard so > AISO drivers woudl be a big plus (can't find out if Sonar supports this o= r > not. > > Any suggestions pro or con appreciated. > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com > "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." > > Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and > info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 04:40:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 577663BF0B; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 04:40:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: CAKEWALK SONAR HOME STUDIO 4 opinions? Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:42:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcXsvKZrAJZ8AoD6SO+kl/wC2mKXkQABmZpA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <64b81a780511181952s3bb93144o1c31a01f8f95073e@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: <20051119044057.B94823BEE2@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 04:40:59 +0000 (UTC) That may have been true prior of sonar 5. they've added native vst support and I had no problems at all. -----Original Message----- From: Todd Pafford [mailto:calenlas@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 10:52 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CAKEWALK SONAR HOME STUDIO 4 opinions? I've used several versions of Sonar (and Cakewalk before that) and have enjoyed working with them all. However, I've heard that Sonar is not the best choice for working with VST plugins. Since I'm light on plugins, I can't say from personal experience, but I wanted to pass on what I'd heard. Otherwise, I feel Sonar is generally pretty intuitive and easy to work with and that's saying a lot for software as complex as a DAW. T. On 11/18/05, Bill Edmondson wrote: > My friend has cakewalk music creator pro and paid $60 and loves it. I've got > sonar 5 and they are very comparable in the most used features. The only > glaring difference is that the MCP can only record 2 tracks at a time but > playback as many as your machine can handle. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Legion [mailto:legion@helpwantedproductions.com] > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 6:53 PM > To: digitalhell > Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: CAKEWALK SONAR HOME STUDIO 4 opinions? > > > I am looking for a simple but flexible software program and will first and > foremost let me load and use VST and other plugins as well as basic midi > and audio tracks. I don't need anything too fancy but have never quite > gotten the VST thing down so I'm looking at introductory software > packages. I have Acid (for loops and things) and Audition (for WAV file > editing) so I don't need a lot of those items. > > Cakewalk makes Sonar Home studio which seem to do the trick but I'm > wondering if there are any other programs out there in the $100 or colse > to it range that might comparable. I have a midiman Quatro soundcard so > AISO drivers woudl be a big plus (can't find out if Sonar supports this or > not. > > Any suggestions pro or con appreciated. > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com > "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." > > Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and > info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 04:46:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 289323BF06; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 04:46:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: Behringer FCB1010 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:46:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcXsvKZrAJZ8AoD6SO+kl/wC2mKXkQABmZpAAAAeyFA= In-Reply-To: <20051119044057.B94823BEE2@arsenic.violacea.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Message-ID: <0MKp2t-1EdKcM2lSG-0003ga@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: <9aZF0.A.3FD.k4qfDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 04:46:29 +0000 (UTC) I just loaded up the unofficial firmware for the Behringer FCB midi pedal (available on the FCB Yahoo group) and it has this way cool thing that can be used with the EDP...the display on the FCB changes briefly as you use the expression pedals, which, syncs up perfectly to the EDP's display when changing feedback. I don't have to look over anymore! On the EDP, I always wished the input and output knobs also changed the display so I could have that input perfectly set- its touchy! Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 04:48:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1721E3BF1B; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 04:48:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Names for Warren Sirota looper--SLoop? Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:48:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <013401c5ebfc$990b55b0$0202a8c0@Lightning> Thread-Index: AcXr/E08dzxdgPFUTt6RAwDnIXrNxQAx7I3g Message-Id: <20051119044750.FRZU15695.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 04:48:20 +0000 (UTC) Warren Sirota wrote: It's a little hard for me to complete the docs, though, because I'm at sea for a name. --->How about Sloop--short for Software Looper. Gary -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com How goes the software wars? It seems I remember you were working up some sort of software loper a year or so ago. Best regards, tEd R kiLLiAn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 04:58:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FA343BF26; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 04:58:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:58:00 EST Subject: Re: Naming a software looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e4.752b7a8a.30b00ad8_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: YES Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 04:58:07 +0000 (UTC) --part1_e4.752b7a8a.30b00ad8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/18/05 10:48:04 PM, calenlas@gmail.com writes: > the sun keeps going round & round, > wait a minute.....m --part1_e4.752b7a8a.30b00ad8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    In a message dated 11/18/05 10:48:04 PM, calenlas@gmail.com writes:


    the sun keeps going r= ound & round,


    wait a minute.....m     --part1_e4.752b7a8a.30b00ad8_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 05:08:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E77B13BF27; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 05:08:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <158.5ca2fab2.30b00d51@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:08:33 EST Subject: Re: tunes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_158.5ca2fab2.30b00d51_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: YES Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 05:08:36 +0000 (UTC) --part1_158.5ca2fab2.30b00d51_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/18/05 4:42:22 PM, zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com writes: > http://www.triangulizona.com/mp3/arendered.mp3 > ivan.....i was just listening to your cd a few days ago while reviewing in my head the movies you had playing in zurich.....all i could do was smile!.....i love these new tunes!!!!!.....tanks!.....m --part1_158.5ca2fab2.30b00d51_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    In a message dated 11/18/05 4:42:22 PM, zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com writes:

    http://www.trianguliz= ona.com/mp3/arendered.mp3


    ivan.....i was just listening to your cd a few days ago while reviewing in m= y head the movies you had playing in zurich.....all i could do was smile!...= ..i love these new tunes!!!!!.....tanks!.....m     --part1_158.5ca2fab2.30b00d51_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 05:30:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F9F73BF17; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 05:30:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: CAKEWALK SONAR HOME STUDIO 4 opinions? Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:30:39 -0500 Message-ID: <00aa01c5ecca$60dbe5a0$0200a8c0@pcdaw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcXsxcnnLc+6H/OzSj+zWy/6o75G2gAA9Ygg In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 05:30:40 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I'd suggest taking a look at Tracktion http://www.mackie.com/products/tracktion2/ And N-Track http://www.fasoft.com/ I used N-Track as my first multitracker and it's pretty nice, and cheap. A friend of mine swears by Tracktion. I didn't really like the way Tracktion dealt with MIDI in version 1, but I haven't looked at V2 yet. I've been a very happy Sonar user, so I'd always recommend any Cakewalk products. However, I'd take a look at the other two also. Mackie released Tracktion 1 as freeware a while ago, I could probably dig up a copy if I needed to, just let me know. Tony -----Original Message----- From: Legion [mailto:legion@helpwantedproductions.com] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 6:53 PM To: digitalhell Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: CAKEWALK SONAR HOME STUDIO 4 opinions? I am looking for a simple but flexible software program and will first and foremost let me load and use VST and other plugins as well as basic midi and audio tracks. I don't need anything too fancy but have never quite gotten the VST thing down so I'm looking at introductory software packages. I have Acid (for loops and things) and Audition (for WAV file editing) so I don't need a lot of those items. Cakewalk makes Sonar Home studio which seem to do the trick but I'm wondering if there are any other programs out there in the $100 or colse to it range that might comparable. I have a midiman Quatro soundcard so AISO drivers woudl be a big plus (can't find out if Sonar supports this or not. Any suggestions pro or con appreciated. ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 05:49:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD5653BF19; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 05:49:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: loopbozo@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Funny "Experimental" Music Experiences This Week Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 05:49:39 +0000 Message-Id: <111920050549.4730.437EBCF2000F24E20000127A22007340760196010D9F010104@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bG9vcGJvem9AY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_4730_1132379379_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 05:49:41 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_4730_1132379379_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey Joe, Great post.... and it reminds me of the first time I played "Let The Power Fall" at my girlfriend's(now wife of almost 25 years) place.After I cranked it up for a few minutes the "Dead Heads" next door began to do something with a power radial saw that resulted in one of the finest solos against a looped piece I've ever heard..intentional or not.She still says it was "wonderful", you do the math. bryan helm --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_4730_1132379379_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    Hey Joe,
                    Great post.... and it reminds me of the first time I played "Let The Power Fall" at my girlfriend's(now wife of almost 25 years) place.After I cranked it up for a few minutes the "Dead Heads" next door began to do something with a power radial saw that resulted in one of the finest solos against a looped piece I've ever heard..intentional or not.She still says it was "wonderful",  you do the math.
     
                                                  bryan helm
    --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_4730_1132379379_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 08:05:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BDFA3BF06; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:05:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LLfdtRzzixUghbv87rtLcig/vVysWFtbjUmnTjdLNjOlHFaQoSDlHJkrZfcBRcX6FatUvyN84bzGhCffaXnMpBfBT8vk1WhTwziQdr1s8nsMMkjOQoZzSGfVUdnMhjGZPF5xB9Ns2GxHFhPHgBNbXreS0Ju7dDRJ+oX1V69Jzgc= ; Message-ID: <20051119080510.65990.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:05:10 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Behringer FCB1010 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0MKp2t-1EdKcM2lSG-0003ga@mrelay.perfora.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:05:12 +0000 (UTC) hey Dave sounds cool dont you have to change the Eprom? which one do you have? --- hazard factor wrote: > I just loaded up the unofficial firmware for the > Behringer FCB midi pedal > (available on the FCB Yahoo group) and it has this > way cool thing that can > be used with the EDP...the display on the FCB > changes briefly as you use the > expression pedals, which, syncs up perfectly to the > EDP's display when > changing feedback. I don't have to look over > anymore! > On the EDP, I always wished the input and output > knobs also changed the > display so I could have that input perfectly set- > its touchy! > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 08:08:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9620F3BF0B; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:08:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Behringer FCB1010 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 03:08:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcXs3/fZQQqX3ZoSTUKn/TiyMSF6UQAABkWw In-Reply-To: <20051119080510.65990.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0MKoyl-1EdNld3cBo-0000CL@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:08:16 +0000 (UTC) Actually, that is the only way to do it...you have to order or burn the new eprom. I am using Unofficial version 1.0.2b. It adds quite a bit control, since Behringer didn't use the memory to its fullest. There is even a computer (PC/Mac/Linux) editor for the new version too. Dave Eichenberger- http://www.hazardfactor.com > hey Dave sounds cool dont you have to change the Eprom? which > one do you have? > > --- hazard factor wrote: > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 08:29:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63C513BF17; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:29:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000201c5ece3$4c7255e0$0201a8c0@mini> Reply-To: "Claude Voit" From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <410-2200511619275690@earthlink.net> <64b81a780511181947q740f6c0fxe8d7037e0fd0bc5e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Naming a software looper Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:06:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 08:29:04 +0000 (UTC) how about loopoopidoo Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 10:19:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE94A3BEF8; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:19:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <64b81a780511181952s3bb93144o1c31a01f8f95073e@mail.gmail.com> References: <20051119021201.1F4483BEF3@arsenic.violacea.com> <64b81a780511181952s3bb93144o1c31a01f8f95073e@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4688B6D8-9314-40A5-858B-23EA3C4BE4BA@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: CAKEWALK SONAR HOME STUDIO 4 opinions? Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:19:06 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:19:10 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 19, 2005, at 4:52, Todd Pafford wrote: > I've used several versions of Sonar (and Cakewalk before that) and > have enjoyed working with them all. However, I've heard that Sonar is > not the best choice for working with VST plugins. Since I'm light on > plugins, I can't say from personal experience, but I wanted to pass on > what I'd heard. Otherwise, I feel Sonar is generally pretty intuitive > and easy to work with and that's saying a lot for software as complex > as a DAW. Although not being the best choice for a VST host Sonar is known to be very efficient with DX plug-ins as well as any gear that lives by Microsoft's drivers. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 10:27:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B77823BEF6; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:27:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <0MKp2t-1EdKcM2lSG-0003ga@mrelay.perfora.net> References: <0MKp2t-1EdKcM2lSG-0003ga@mrelay.perfora.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Behringer FCB1010 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:27:29 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:27:32 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 19, 2005, at 5:46, hazard factor wrote: > used with the EDP...the display on the FCB changes briefly as you > use the > expression pedals, The Attack Of The Shoe Gazers! ;-)) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 11:35:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D22463BEE7; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:35:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <003501c5ec8a$df247e80$0202a8c0@Lightning> References: <003501c5ec8a$df247e80$0202a8c0@Lightning> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--525901641 Message-Id: <28d0049fb938227fb4517ddb9df20303@venetowest.com> From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: Re: Naming a software looper Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 03:35:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:35:25 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--525901641 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > reveals that "Helios" was the god of the sun or something like that. Helios is also the name of a legendary audio/recording equipment company. Their recording consoles were owned by the likes of the Beatles, Led Zep, The Rolling Stones (that's what was in the famous remote truck), and products are once again being manufactured under that name. http://www.helios-electronics.com/ Might be a little dicey to use that name for a new music/audio product. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) A dictionary search --Apple-Mail-1--525901641 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII reveals that "Helios" was the god of the sun or something like that. Helios is also the name of a legendary audio/recording equipment company. Their recording consoles were owned by the likes of the Beatles, Led Zep, The Rolling Stones (that's what was in the famous remote truck), and products are once again being manufactured under that name. http://www.helios-electronics.com/ Might be a little dicey to use that name for a new music/audio product. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) A dictionary search --Apple-Mail-1--525901641-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 11:41:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1F493BEF3; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:41:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <003501c5ec8a$df247e80$0202a8c0@Lightning> References: <003501c5ec8a$df247e80$0202a8c0@Lightning> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--525562639 Message-Id: <65fdd1d5d45fda08a72c133adadf66a2@venetowest.com> From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: Re: Naming a software looper ps Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 03:40:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: <1R-PXB.A.pQG.U9wfDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:41:08 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--525562639 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed One more note about "Helios" The current head of Helios Electronics is Tony Arnold, Robert Fripp's primary recording engineer for much of the 80's and early 90's. I degree of separation from looping I guess. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) --Apple-Mail-2--525562639 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII One more note about "Helios" The current head of Helios Electronics is Tony Arnold, Robert Fripp's primary recording engineer for much of the 80's and early 90's. I degree of separation from looping I guess. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) --Apple-Mail-2--525562639-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 14:06:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77A3B3BEF0; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:06:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Behringer FCB1010 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:06:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcXs89oVDDoUHPwST3iJ87CnnLiPsAAHlZmg In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0MKoyl-1EdTMP30nk-0000Bd@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:06:38 +0000 (UTC) It's a toss-up if this is any better than the rack-twiddlers. Manipulating gear at a performance is rarely fun to watch. Dave Eichenberger s http://www.hazardfactor.com > The Attack Of The Shoe Gazers! ;-)) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 14:27:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 779A53BEF7; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:27:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Behringer FCB1010 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 15:28:55 +0100 Message-ID: <000201c5ed15$93595ad0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <0MKoyl-1EdTMP30nk-0000Bd@mrelay.perfora.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:27:42 +0000 (UTC) >> It's a toss-up if this is any better than the rack-twiddlers. Manipulating gear at a performance is rarely fun to watch. I care to disagree. While I didn't have the pleasure to experience this live, I always found Keith Moon's gear manipulations at the end of the Who's performances very entertaining. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 14:35:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 975A03BF08; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:35:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:36:02 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Naming of software In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000001c5ed16$91555800$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:35:35 +0000 (UTC) Now there's a positive association. I can just imagine the print ads. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 5:21 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Naming of software > > > "Loopitch" sounds like sticky stuff that runs down the > outside of the toiletbowl, you know, "loo pitch". > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 14:35:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11CE33BF13; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:35:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:36:02 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Names for Warren Sirota looper--SLoop? In-reply-to: <20051119044750.FRZU15695.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000101c5ed16$9189ae70$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:35:35 +0000 (UTC) No thanks - SLoop is a little too close to Slop. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 11:48 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Names for Warren Sirota looper--SLoop? > > > Warren Sirota wrote: > It's a little hard for me to complete the docs, though, > because I'm at sea for a name. > > --->How about Sloop--short for Software Looper. > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: ArsOcarina@aol.com > > How goes the software wars? It seems I remember you > were working up some sort of software loper a year or > so ago. > > Best regards, > > tEd R kiLLiAn > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 14:35:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8077C3BF0D; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:35:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:36:02 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Behringer FCB1010 In-reply-to: <0MKoyl-1EdNld3cBo-0000CL@mrelay.perfora.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000201c5ed16$91e207a0$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:35:36 +0000 (UTC) Sounds like a cool thing. BTW, although I haven't tried it yet, the open source patch editor/librarian JSynthLib has a module for the FCB (eprom update or no, as I understand it). Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: hazard factor [mailto:artists@hazardfactor.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 3:08 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Behringer FCB1010 > > > Actually, that is the only way to do it...you have to order > or burn the new eprom. I am using Unofficial version 1.0.2b. > It adds quite a bit control, since Behringer didn't use the > memory to its fullest. There is even a computer > (PC/Mac/Linux) editor for the new version too. > > Dave Eichenberger- > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > hey Dave sounds cool dont you have to change the Eprom? which > > one do you have? > > > > --- hazard factor wrote: > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 14:55:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08AA43BF0D; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:55:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:56:35 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Recordings from the Y2K5 International Live Looping Festival in Santa Cruz In-reply-to: <024801c5e8ef$38f22bf0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001d01c5ed19$7046f170$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:55:27 +0000 (UTC) I've just been listening to this - really enjoyable, a lot of fine work here. Thanks to all involved. I was sad to miss it this year - I had *so* much fun at Y2K4! Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 2:44 AM > To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) > Subject: RE: Recordings from the Y2K5 International Live > Looping Festival in Santa Cruz > > > Krispen is a god amongst men. > > Thanks so much for all the vast energy you put into the > recordings and > dissemination > of the Y2K5 loopfest recordings. > > We are all very lucky to have you in our community, Kris! > > Rick Walker > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 14:55:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F82C3BF15; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:55:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:56:35 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: CAKEWALK SONAR HOME STUDIO 4 opinions? In-reply-to: <20051119044057.B94823BEE2@arsenic.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001e01c5ed19$708c10c0$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:55:28 +0000 (UTC) That's interesting. I have Sonar 3 Producer (though I use but a fraction of its capabilities), and they bundle it with the "Cakewalk VST adapter", which I guess puts a DXi wrapper around VST plugins. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Edmondson [mailto:edmondson5@comcast.net] > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 11:43 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: CAKEWALK SONAR HOME STUDIO 4 opinions? > > > That may have been true prior of sonar 5. they've added > native vst support and I had no problems at all. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 16:11:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6AE083BF26; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:11:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:12:24 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Naming a software looper In-reply-to: <437E5E60.90608@sun.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004801c5ed24$07ea7a60$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:11:17 +0000 (UTC) > > The things that are most unique about this looper (I > think, I hope) are: > > - instant gratification, easy learning curve > > That would probably be unique among software loopers with > similar features. There are several easy to use loopers, but > they don't have all the features you list. > > > - Can be operated in hands-free mode; works with most > footcontrollers > (but a multi-bank footcontroller is best; > basic functions can be in > the first bank, advanced > functions in others) > - CD-quality, stereo looping > > Every software looper I've seen supports MIDI control and CD > quality stereo. > > > - loop layers are independently mutable and re-mixable > > It depends on what you mean by "layers". A few loopers > support multiple "tracks" which you record and mutate > independently, and if the tracks are made to be of identical > size you achieve an effect similar to layers of overdubs. > The challenge here is to make it so you can record into > successive tracks as easily as you would just make several > overdub passes in a single track looper. > > > - built in digital multitrack recorder makes pristine > recordings of your > live playing, your loops and aux inputs > (like the people you're playing > with) > > That's probably unique, though I know of one that has a > relatively crude way to capture an entire performance. What > typically happens is that the looper is itself a VST plugin > that runs within a host that supports recording. > > > - peak limiting on the output. In later versions, > different forms of > multiband compression will be supported > > May be unique at the moment. > > > - with a touch of your toe (here I go into > marketing-speak), you can > save all the loops into > individual files for later processing with > Acid or the DAW > of your choice. > > Several of the more complex loopers will allow you to save > loops to files. I know of one that let's you save all state > with one touch-o-the-toe. > > > - PC (XP) and MAC (OS/X) > > I can't think of any non-commercial cross-platform loopers. > The closest thing would be the PSP-42 and PSP-84. > > > - support for VST plugins to modify the input to the > looper and the > total mix output > > Having the looper host plugins is a powerful concept, but I > would suggest you consider having the looper *be* a VST > plugin instead or in addition. If you want to get into the > VST hosting game, then you're going to be competing with the > likes of Bidule, EnergyXT, and Live. If ease of use is the > primary goal, then being a limited host is a good thing. But > if you want to be flexible, being a VST is better. > > > - affordability - I anticipate 3 versions, one at $89 or > so, one at > $199 and one at $299. > > With all due respect, I think you're going to find that the > market for a software looper priced over $99 is rather small, > especially if you're targeting customers for whom "ease of > use" is a primary concern. > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 16:11:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CAAE3BF19; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:11:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:12:24 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Naming a software looper - D'Loop? In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:11:17 +0000 (UTC) Tim, that's a great list - thanks! I am really attracted to a variant of one of the names you suggest: D'Loop. I had been thinking of something like "Loop De Loop", but that scans horribly - hadn't thought of the apostrophe or leaving out one of the "Loops". Thanks, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Thompson [mailto:tjt@nosuch.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 1:22 AM > To: 'Warren Sirota' > Subject: RE: Naming a software looper > > > Loopadelic > Repetitious > LoopFactory > SimplyLooping > LoopWrangler > Circular Reasoning > D'Looper > Loops of Love > Le Looper > Cirque du Looper > Deja Vu, or just Deja > > ...Tim... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Warren Sirota [mailto:wsirota@wsdesigns.com] > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 1:56 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Naming a software looper > > Thanks, Stephen. I agree with you that names are important. > That's why I'm struggling with it. > > I had a dream right before I woke up this morning - I don't > remember what the dream was about, but one word was prominent > in it: Helio. It doesn't have anything to do with looping, > but then neither does Ableton (many other products are not > named to reflect their capabilities). A dictionary search > reveals that "Helios" was the god of the sun or something like that. > > So there's one name. Another that I thought of was MultiLoop, > but I'm not sure how well that really reflects anything. I > also thought of "FNEZ Looper" (read it out loud), but that's > a bit on the crude side, I guess. One person I talked to > liked it, someone else cringed. Cringing is not good. > > The things that are most unique about this looper (I think, I > hope) are: > > - instant gratification, easy learning curve > - Can be operated in hands-free mode; works with most > footcontrollers (but a multi-bank footcontroller is best; > basic functions can be in the first bank, advanced functions > in others) > - CD-quality, stereo looping > - loop layers are independently mutable and re-mixable > - built in digital multitrack recorder makes pristine > recordings of your live playing, your loops and aux inputs > (like the people you're playing > with) > - peak limiting on the output. In later versions, different > forms of multiband compression will be supported > - with a touch of your toe (here I go into marketing-speak), > you can save all the loops into individual files for later > processing with Acid or the DAW of your choice. > - PC (XP) and MAC (OS/X) > - affordability - I anticipate 3 versions, one at $89 or so, > one at $199 and one at $299. > - support for VST plugins to modify the input to the looper > and the total mix output > > At present, it's a fairly basic looper/recorder. In addition > to the basic looper, reverse is there, as well as > continuously-varying playback speed, controlled by footpedal > or mouse (the pitch changes, but it's a pretty good effect). > But the architecture is very solid, and I expect to be adding > fancy effects rapidly once I get past the initial hurdles of > documentation, installers, security (I hate dealing with sw > security, but you gotta do it), press releases and all that stuff. > > I put a couple of screenshots up at > www.warrensirota.com/looper so you can get a better idea. > > I'd love naming suggestions suggestions and votes on the ones > I've got: Helio (or Helios) and MultiLoop. > > Thanks, > Warren Sirota > www.warrensirota.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: S V G [mailto:vsyevolod@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 2:22 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V05 #746 > > > > > > > > Warren, > > > > Naming can be a very powerful thing. Especially if > you are able > > to describe within the name what is unique about the object to be > > named. Secondarily, the name can be pleasant to the ear, > or at least > > memorable. Associations with other products is usually not > > desireable. > > > > When I hear the name AccuLoop, my mind immediately goes to all > > the cheaply designed and built woodworking tools from overseas. > > "Accu" as a prefix, just doesn't instill confidence in a > product, at > > least to this boy. > > > > Naming your looper has the potential to make it or break it. A > > good example is the software called Chopitch. Does it mean > that your > > chops will start itching? > > > > Good luck finding an appropriate name for it. > > Currently, AccuLoop doesn't do much for me. > > > > Regards, > > > > Stephen > > > > > > > > > > Warren wrote: > > It's a little hard for me to complete the docs, though, > because I'm at > > sea for a name. I'm thinking maybe AccuLoop. > > Whaddya think? (that, totally without an explanation of > what makes it > > special, is not exactly an easy question - but whether the > name should > > be related to the specific features or not is also not an easy one). > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 16:11:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48FFE3BF2D; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:11:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:12:24 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Naming a software looper In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004b01c5ed24$087be4f0$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:11:18 +0000 (UTC) Bill, I don't quite get what would make this a good practice tool. What did you have in mind? BTW, if you didn't know, I'm already in the practice tool business, with SlowGold (www.slowgold.com). I know it's not the same, but it is a cool program. But, frankly, I think there's more juice (and I mean that both in terms of excitement for me and $$) in the creative tools business. I could be wrong about the $$. Warren > -----Original Message----- > From: William Walker [mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com] > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 5:37 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Naming a software looper > > > That sounds very cool, do you think it will be simple enough > to market it to students/ teenagers, and beginners as a > practice tool? That is an area I think some company should > address. Making this technology simple enough that it could > help a young music student get better, would open up looping > technology to a whole new market. Here's another name, > Practiceperferct, or PP for short. a product simple enough > for a beginner, but deep enough for a pro. Shudder to think. Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Warren Sirota [mailto:wsirota@wsdesigns.com] > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 1:56 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Naming a software looper > > > Thanks, Stephen. I agree with you that names are important. > That's why I'm struggling with it. > > I had a dream right before I woke up this morning - I don't > remember what the dream was about, but one word was prominent > in it: Helio. It doesn't have anything to do with looping, > but then neither does Ableton (many other products are not > named to reflect their capabilities). A dictionary search > reveals that "Helios" was the god of the sun or something like that. > > So there's one name. Another that I thought of was MultiLoop, > but I'm not sure how well that really reflects anything. I > also thought of "FNEZ Looper" (read it out loud), but that's > a bit on the crude side, I guess. One person I talked to > liked it, someone else cringed. Cringing is not good. > > The things that are most unique about this looper (I think, I > hope) are: > > - instant gratification, easy learning curve > - Can be operated in hands-free mode; works with most > footcontrollers (but a multi-bank footcontroller is best; > basic functions can be in the first bank, advanced functions > in others) > - CD-quality, stereo looping > - loop layers are independently mutable and re-mixable > - built in digital multitrack recorder makes pristine > recordings of your live playing, your loops and aux inputs > (like the people you're playing > with) > - peak limiting on the output. In later versions, different > forms of multiband compression will be supported > - with a touch of your toe (here I go into marketing-speak), > you can save all the loops into individual files for later > processing with Acid or the DAW of your choice. > - PC (XP) and MAC (OS/X) > - affordability - I anticipate 3 versions, one at $89 or so, > one at $199 and one at $299. > - support for VST plugins to modify the input to the looper > and the total mix output > > At present, it's a fairly basic looper/recorder. In addition > to the basic looper, reverse is there, as well as > continuously-varying playback speed, controlled by footpedal > or mouse (the pitch changes, but it's a pretty good effect). > But the architecture is very solid, and I expect to be adding > fancy effects rapidly once I get past the initial hurdles of > documentation, installers, security (I hate dealing with sw > security, but you gotta do it), press releases and all that stuff. > > I put a couple of screenshots up at > www.warrensirota.com/looper so you can get a better idea. > > I'd love naming suggestions suggestions and votes on the ones > I've got: Helio (or Helios) and MultiLoop. > > Thanks, > Warren Sirota > www.warrensirota.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: S V G [mailto:vsyevolod@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 2:22 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V05 #746 > > > > > > > > Warren, > > > > Naming can be a very powerful thing. Especially if > you are able > > to describe within the name what is unique about the object to be > > named. Secondarily, the name can be pleasant to the ear, > or at least > > memorable. Associations with other products is usually not > > desireable. > > > > When I hear the name AccuLoop, my mind immediately goes to all > > the cheaply designed and built woodworking tools from overseas. > > "Accu" as a prefix, just doesn't instill confidence in a > product, at > > least to this boy. > > > > Naming your looper has the potential to make it or > break it. A > > good example is the software called Chopitch. Does it mean > that your > > chops will start itching? > > > > Good luck finding an appropriate name for it. > > Currently, AccuLoop doesn't do much for me. > > > > Regards, > > > > Stephen > > > > > > > > > > Warren wrote: > > It's a little hard for me to complete the docs, though, > because I'm at > > sea for a name. I'm thinking maybe AccuLoop. Whaddya think? (that, > > totally without an explanation of what makes it special, is not > > exactly an easy question - but whether the name should be > related to > > the specific features or not is also not an easy one). > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 16:15:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 063813BF21; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:15:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:16:11 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Naming a software looper In-reply-to: <28d0049fb938227fb4517ddb9df20303@venetowest.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005201c5ed24$8e57c710$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_HyL1OkSNzVbrX4e3yBCh3A)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:15:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_HyL1OkSNzVbrX4e3yBCh3A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hmmm... good point. That could be a serious issue. Thanks. Best wishes, Warren Sirota -----Original Message----- From: Ronan Chris Murphy [mailto:looper@venetowest.com] Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 6:35 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Naming a software looper reveals that "Helios" was the god of the sun or something like that. Helios is also the name of a legendary audio/recording equipment company. Their recording consoles were owned by the likes of the Beatles, Led Zep, The Rolling Stones (that's what was in the famous remote truck), and products are once again being manufactured under that name. http://www.helios-electronics.com/ Might be a little dicey to use that name for a new music/audio product. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) A dictionary search --Boundary_(ID_HyL1OkSNzVbrX4e3yBCh3A) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message
    Hmmm... good point. That could be a serious issue. Thanks.
     
     
    Best wishes,
    Warren Sirota
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Ronan Chris Murphy [mailto:looper@venetowest.com]
    Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 6:35 AM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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    reveals that "Helios" was the god of the sun or something like that.

    Helios is also the name of a legendary audio/recording equipment company. Their recording consoles were owned by the likes of the Beatles, Led Zep, The Rolling Stones (that's what was in the famous remote truck), and products are once again being manufactured under that name.

    http://www.helios-electronics.com/

    Might be a little dicey to use that name for a new music/audio product.


    Ronan Chris Murphy
    www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...)
    www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording )
    www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) A dictionary search
    --Boundary_(ID_HyL1OkSNzVbrX4e3yBCh3A)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 16:15:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B36E3BF34; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:15:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:16:11 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Naming a software looper In-reply-to: <588ce11d0511181703o3bc94205gd240af080b1a5709@mail.gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005701c5ed24$8ec0c210$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:15:03 +0000 (UTC) Hi Art, Sure, I remember you. Didn't you have a loft near Army Street? Are you still in SF? Howzit goin? Do you still pop over to Mills for stuff? Best wishes, Warren Sirota From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 16:23:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D62D3BF0C; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:23:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:22:51 -0500 From: Dan Ash Subject: RE: CAKEWALK SONAR HOME STUDIO 4 opinions? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <437F515B.10705@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:23:01 +0000 (UTC) Wow! It's great to know there are so many Sonar users on this list. I've watched rec.audio.pro for references to Sonar and they are few and far between - and most are disparaging comparisons to . I happen to love the Sonar Producer 4 interface and appreciate it's swiss-army-knife utility, especially it's integration of MIDI and audio, plug-in support and - wait for it - LOOP CONSTRUCTION utility. I'm deferring the purchase of V5 as I usually do when a new version of any software is released... Hope this isn't an area that will be considered off-topic, but I hope to see more Sonar discussions on this board... Dan Ash White Plains, NY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 16:23:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AE033BF32; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:23:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:24:41 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: OT: Time travel In-reply-to: <588ce11d0511181707h570702f9y4d19e688d8608173@mail.gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005c01c5ed25$be6b67d0$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:23:33 +0000 (UTC) Time warping - good idea, possibly in a later version :-) By the way - on the subject of time travel - I'm currently reading "The Time Traveler's Wife". I highly recommend it. The premise is that there's this guy who uncontrollably, spontaneously, time travels to points +/- 50 years from his present, mostly into his past, and keeps visiting mostly his wife and sometimes his past self. So he first meets his wife (or, I should rather say, his wife first meets him) when he's 40 and she's 6, although he's "really" 8 years older than her. Sometimes, as in that scenario, he has knowledge of her future that she doesn't have, and other times, like when she's 20 and he's 28 (realtime), she has knowledge of *his* future (she knows the 40-year old already). It's a unique, subtle and interesting variant on a fascinating but often tired theme. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Art Simon [mailto:simart@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 8:07 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Naming a software looper > > > Oh, I forgot to put in a feature request: Time warping, so > you can compose music and spend time with your 3 year old child. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 16:32:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 344173BF3D; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:32:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:32:13 -0500 From: Dan Ash Subject: Re: Naming a software looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <437F538D.6030400@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:32:24 +0000 (UTC) I kinda liked 'D'Loop' or 'D-Loop', with the idea of repeating it one or more times. What would the BNF notation look like? *(Anyone)? Dan Ash White Plains, NY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 16:34:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C6CF3BF39; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:34:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: Subject: RE: Time travel Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:35:15 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000e01c5ed27$38914880$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 In-Reply-To: <005c01c5ed25$be6b67d0$0202a8c0@Lightning> Importance: Normal X-Originating-IP: [0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:34:19 +0000 (UTC) The time travel is handled elegantly and it's also a very powerful romance. (Not trying to scare anyone off.) Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com > Time warping - good idea, possibly in a later version :-) > > By the way - on the subject of time travel - I'm currently > reading "The Time > Traveler's Wife". I highly recommend it. The premise is that > there's this > guy who uncontrollably, spontaneously, time travels to points > +/- 50 years > from his present, mostly into his past, and keeps visiting > mostly his wife > and sometimes his past self. So he first meets his wife (or, > I should rather > say, his wife first meets him) when he's 40 and she's 6, although he's > "really" 8 years older than her. Sometimes, as in that > scenario, he has > knowledge of her future that she doesn't have, and other > times, like when > she's 20 and he's 28 (realtime), she has knowledge of *his* > future (she > knows the 40-year old already). It's a unique, subtle and interesting > variant on a fascinating but often tired theme. > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 16:34:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 881E03BF42; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:34:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:36:06 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Naming a software looper In-reply-to: <437F538D.6030400@Verizon.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006601c5ed27$56e5dee0$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:34:58 +0000 (UTC) My BNF is rusty, but the repetition concept that you mention will probably find its way into the logo. Thanks. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Ash [mailto:Daniel.Ash@Verizon.net] > Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 11:32 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Naming a software looper > > > I kinda liked 'D'Loop' or 'D-Loop', with the idea of > repeating it one or > more times. What would the BNF notation look like? > > *(Anyone)? > > Dan Ash > White Plains, NY > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 16:39:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B57F23BF47; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:39:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:39:43 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: CAKEWALK SONAR HOME STUDIO 4 opinions? In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: digitalhell Message-id: <437F554F.505@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 16:39:39 +0000 (UTC) The VST/DX adapter bundled with Sonar 4 and below works ok for me, though I've heard reports that there are plugs it doesn't handle properly. At one time it didn't support routing MIDI generated by the plugin, you could only send MIDI into the plugin. In those cases there are several alternative adapters available, one is Directixer at http://tonewise.com/DirectiXer/. But the main problem I've had with Sonar is that you can't record the output of an effect or DXi "live". Sonar is designed to apply effects at runtime to a dry signal, if you want to create a track or file with the effected signal you have to "bounce" the dry track through the plugin, sending the result to another track. This can't be done as you record the dry track, you have to stop and use an offline process. The same thing with VSTi instruments, Sonar records a track of MIDI events and replays it through the instrument every time, if you want to create an audio track with the output of the instrument you have to bounce it offline. Now in theory, the effect or instrument will generate the same output every time so you don't need to record the "wet" signal. Keeping it dry allows you to tinker with the effects without changing the source track. But this is a problem for more complicated plugs like, oh say a looper, that is generating audio in response to both an input signal and a complex stream of MIDI commands. Again in theory as long as you replay exactly the same dry signal and recorded MIDI commands into the plugin you should get the same result, but in practice that doesn't always happen. The only way I'm aware of to address this with Sonar is to host the plugins in a rewire host such as Bidule, then patch the rewire output from Bidule into Sonar for recording. Now, this may have changed in Sonar 5, I haven't had a chance to try that yet. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 17:04:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2807C3BF29; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 17:04:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:05:59 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Naming a software looper In-reply-to: <437E5E60.90608@sun.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007701c5ed2b$83cb90e0$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 17:04:52 +0000 (UTC) Hi Jeff, I think I accidentally sent a content-less reply to this earlier. Sorry to the list. It's like an email blizzard for me this morning (lots of fun - thanks to all). Thank you very much, Jeff, for your very thoughtful reply. I just have a couple of comments, inline below. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Larson [mailto:Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM] > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 6:06 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Naming a software looper > ... > It depends on what you mean by "layers". A few loopers > support multiple "tracks" which you record and mutate > independently, and if the tracks are made to be of identical > size you achieve an effect similar to layers of overdubs. > The challenge here is to make it so you can record into > successive tracks as easily as you would just make several > overdub passes in a single track looper. Yes, this just happens automatically: as each overdub track fills, additional audio records into the next until you hit the Overdub switch to stop overdubbing. > ... > > > - support for VST plugins to modify the input to the > looper and the > total mix output > > Having the looper host plugins is a powerful concept, but I > would suggest you consider having the looper *be* a VST > plugin instead or in addition. If you want to get into the > VST hosting game, then you're going to be competing with the > likes of Bidule, EnergyXT, and Live. If ease of use is the > primary goal, then being a limited host is a good thing. But > if you want to be flexible, being a VST is better. I'd rather be a host. There are far too many plugins for a looper plugin to get any attention in the world. I don't mind competing with Ableton - I don't really think that we'll have the same audience, because I'll be cheaper and simpler. > > > - affordability - I anticipate 3 versions, one at $89 or > so, one at > $199 and one at $299. > > With all due respect, I think you're going to find that the > market for a software looper priced over $99 is rather small, > especially if you're targeting customers for whom "ease of > use" is a primary concern. > You may be right, although ease of use is not the *primary* concern - except in the larger sense of ease of making great-sounding live music and recordings (ok, maybe I'm splitting hairs). It's very hard to predict what people will pay for in non-commodity categories (although loopers are maybe starting to become commodities). Listen, I'd be *thrilled* (and surprised) to sell 1,500 of these a year at $99 (assuming I spent half the money on various operating and promotion costs). I could improve it more-or-less full-time! That, of course, would be far better than selling 100 a year at $300. I've been thinking - though this is probably crazy (I'm not a great businessman) - of using one of those "progressive pricing" systems at first; you know, it starts out at - who knows? $50? - while it's still very immature, then at a certain point it starts increasing by, like $25 per week or month until volume starts diminishing. That rewards early adopters nicely, which is an unalloyed virtue. And, I've learned the hard way that from a business point of view, it can be easier to increase prices than to reduce them (what do you do for the people who bought your product the day/week/month/year before the price decrease?). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 17:06:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 468333BEDB; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 17:06:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:06:24 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Naming a software looper In-reply-to: <437F538D.6030400@Verizon.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <437F5B90.90201@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <437F538D.6030400@Verizon.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 17:06:32 +0000 (UTC) Dan Ash wrote: > I kinda liked 'D'Loop' or 'D-Loop', with the idea of repeating it one or > more times. What would the BNF notation look like? > > *(Anyone)? Original BNF does not have a meta-symbol for repetition, though a commonly used extension is to use braces for "zero or more". program := {statement} Other languages like regexp, use * for "zero or more" and + for "one or more". Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 17:26:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2ABE3BF3F; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 17:26:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:26:41 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Naming a software looper In-reply-to: <007701c5ed2b$83cb90e0$0202a8c0@Lightning> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <437F6051.4060305@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <007701c5ed2b$83cb90e0$0202a8c0@Lightning> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 17:26:35 +0000 (UTC) Warren Sirota wrote: > I'd rather be a host. There are far too many plugins for a looper plugin to > get any attention in the world. I don't mind competing with Ableton - I > don't really think that we'll have the same audience, because I'll be > cheaper and simpler. Well, there are several free standalone multi-track loopers that don't get any attention in the world either :-) But good luck. If you're willing to put some promotional dollars behind this it will be interesting to see how much of a market is out there. Regards, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 18:35:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 385F13BF2E; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:35:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:36:19 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: Performance in NY area To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00b101c5ed38$21e93410$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:35:12 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Thanks to all of you who have been/still are contributing to discussions about my Looper. You've all been very gracious about allowing me to take up so much mindwidth with the dawn of this commercial release. Now for something completely different: next Saturday, November 26, The Sandbox will be performing at The Baby Grand Cafe, 7 West St., Warwick, NY from 1-3. I know this will be out of the way for even those NYers among you (it's about an hour from the GWB), but maybe some of you are near us. Our music is world-tinged freeform improv, with the looper used as an instrumental technique (I probably loop about 1/2-2/3 of the time). Samples at www.warrensirota.com/sandbox. I hope to meet some of you there... Best wishes, Warren Sirota From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 19:56:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77BA73BF35; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 19:56:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <9.50aff0e8.30b0dd84@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:56:52 EST Subject: Re: Hey Warren! Good to see you back! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9.50aff0e8.30b0dd84_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: YES Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 19:56:56 +0000 (UTC) --part1_9.50aff0e8.30b0dd84_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WS, In a message dated 11/17/05 8:56:56 PM, wsirota@wsdesigns.com writes: > I actually was hoping to re-enlist your aid (since you offered it so long=20 > ago) as a beta tester/interface critic (and possibly re-designer) when I'v= e=20 > finished writing preliminary docs and cleaning up one or two things >=20 For what it's worth. I'm still game. I've only recently gotten more=20 up-to-date re computer music making/recording with my purchase of the ProToo= ls M-Box=20 and software plug-in bundle Guitar Center was blowing out last month. At least I have a decent quality audio interface (if only USB and stereo=20 in/out) . . . and some good software that'll accept RTAS plug-ins (heck it c= ame=20 wit a boatload of 'em).=20 I did my track for Kris Hartung's Xperimentus project on it in my living roo= m=20 on a lowly iBook weekend before last. I played my old Roland guitar synth=20 sans most of the effects I usuall mess with. As for the name AccuLoop. It has a certain descriptive functionality . . .=20 but seems to lack any sense of playfulness, humour or spark that a really gr= eat=20 name for a creative product seemingly "ought" to have. But then, how creativ= e=20 (really) is ProTools? M-Box. Abelton Live? Digital Performer? MetaSynth? You could call it some really sucky name like SuperPooperLooperScooper but i= f=20 it really ROCKS then people will hear about it and (hopefully) buy it anyway= .=20 My professional opinion (as a marketeer and ad agency maven of long-standing= =20 music industry repute) is go ahead and call it AccuLoop. It's an okay name.=20 Just make sure the product "delivers the goods" so to speak and is everythin= g=20 you say it is. If you happen to come up with something better to name it in=20= the=20 meantime that'd be an additional "edge" in the marketplace. But AccuLoop won= 't=20 kill it if it's good. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_9.50aff0e8.30b0dd84_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WS,

    In a message dated 11/17/05 8:56:56 PM, wsirota@wsdesigns.com writes:

    I actually was hoping= to re-enlist your aid (since you offered it so long ago) as a beta tester/i= nterface critic (and possibly re-designer) when I've finished writing prelim= inary docs and cleaning up one or two things

    For what it's worth. I'm still game. I've only recently gotten more up-to= -date re computer music making/recording with my purchase of the ProTools M-= Box and software plug-in bundle Guitar Center was blowing out last month.
    At least I have a decent quality audio interface (if only USB and stereo in/= out) . . . and some good software that'll accept RTAS plug-ins (heck it came= wit a boatload of 'em).

    I did my track for Kris Hartung's Xperimentus project on it in my living roo= m on a lowly iBook weekend before last. I played my old Roland guitar synth=20= sans most of the effects I usuall mess with.

    As for the name AccuLoop. It has a certain descriptive functionality . . . b= ut seems to lack any sense of playfulness, humour or spark that a really gre= at name for a creative product seemingly "ought" to have. But then, how crea= tive (really) is ProTools? M-Box. Abelton Live? Digital Performer? MetaSynth= ?

    You could call it some really sucky name like SuperPooperLooperScooper but i= f it really ROCKS then people will hear about it and (hopefully) buy it anyw= ay.

    My professional opinion (as a marketeer and ad agency maven of long-standing= music industry repute) is go ahead and call it AccuLoop. It's an okay name.= Just make sure the product "delivers the goods" so to speak and is everythi= ng you say it is. If you happen to come up with something better to name it=20= in the meantime that'd be an additional "edge" in the marketplace. But AccuL= oop won't kill it if it's good.

    Best regards,

    tEd =AE kiLLiAn

    "Different is not always better, but better is always different"

    http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
    http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
    http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
    http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
    http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
    http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
    http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

    Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
    BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
    AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
    RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
    and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
     --part1_9.50aff0e8.30b0dd84_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 20:38:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 253543BF2E; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:38:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <253.19c4fac.30b0e75b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 15:38:51 EST Subject: Re: Naming a software looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:38:57 +0000 (UTC) In a message dated 11/18/05 1:55:11 PM, wsirota@wsdesigns.com writes: << I'd love naming suggestions suggestions >> I ran my word grinder over coffee at the shoppe: Loopsterizer Loopeteria LoopMatrix Loopalizer Loopdom LoopGate [LoopDrive] LoopZone LoopEase [Loopizi] LoopTech [LoopDeck] LoopDash LoopWing [Pwing] LoopMill Loopstrate LoopField Loopacious AnteLoop FormaLoop Circumusigator [Circumusicalizer] The Repper [ReCapper - for hiphop? it will cap your ass] Uroborus [Ouroboros] just riffing, did not google any of these. regards BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/cr25j From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 20:42:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF84C3BF3A; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:42:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01ec01c5ed49$cf06c4d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Funny "Experimental" Music Experiences This Week Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:42:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:42:52 +0000 (UTC) I would have loved to hear the chainsaw story. I love the random when it enters music and truly believe that we can recontextualize anything into music if we try hard enough. Well, maybe not anything...............a heckling, belligerent drunk is dangerous to include in your loops...........lol. I have a couple of experiences like that: At the last 2nd Sundays Live Looping Series that I played at, I was doing a sensitive piece for kalimba in 6/8 when they fired up the loud disco in the Blue Lagoon right under our floor. In came the throbbing 4/4 bass...................really loud and the room below......................in a perfect polyrhytyhmic four pulse to my loop (which at the time was a line 6 loop)................i'll be damned if it didn't stay in sync for the better part of the piece....................there was nothing to do but play do this throbbing bass beat which I did, and then ended my concert immediately after I finished the piece. Also, in Japan, I began my last show and there was suddenly a loud clicking noise that was repeating in the rhythm of a samba bass line. ||: X**XX**XX**XX**X :|| Try as I may, I could not locate the offending sound and figured that my poor abused Mackie 1402 had finally bit the dust. So I just announced to the crowd (most of whom could not understand my english at all) that I was just going to have to make my whole show be based off of that rhtyhm. I did a faux industrial beatbox rhythm over that bizarre ostinato and did my first piece. Mercifully, I discovered that one of my two blow channels in the board had come unmuted and I was able to finish the show with my own decisions about rhythm. It's wierd though..............the preamps are blown in channels one and two of my board and each channel makes a loud repetitive clicking sound..............one is just like a quarter note, the other is that infernal samba rhythm....................why would that happen? Lastly, in one of my gigs, a very loud ambulance siren occured just as I was making a long loop............................it got recorded into my sensitive AKG C1000s mics and miraculously was perfectly in key with the song I was beginning to loop. The audience cracked up and I left it in the piece for the duration. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 21:07:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E10D3BF36; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:07:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Mf7zHLvtqlgap/EWzpa+YoxSkrHiF4Eiyim5W9L8o5cJ1dLTSKLX4FcmiGUcq6bFCBF9vwQRiNic0o/7lmJZcFuysi/Cw0Qz4r/Vo7E0JXMfTuE+r/PuNcbqlJuSwm5pSGsD5me/VCdUCwZhZX8hrU5HmKJJyaJ2JcL6HeWnUDE= Message-ID: <588ce11d0511191307p22e3cd98ve088b78d86a9558a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:07:19 -0800 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Naming a software looper - D'Loop? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:07:22 +0000 (UTC) Personally, I'm warming up to "SooperPooperLooperScooper" : ) On 11/19/05, Warren Sirota wrote: > Tim, that's a great list - thanks! I am really attracted to a variant of = one > of the names you suggest: D'Loop. I had been thinking of something like > "Loop De Loop", but that scans horribly - hadn't thought of the apostroph= e > or leaving out one of the "Loops". > > Thanks, > Warren Sirota > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tim Thompson [mailto:tjt@nosuch.com] > > Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 1:22 AM > > To: 'Warren Sirota' > > Subject: RE: Naming a software looper > > > > > > Loopadelic > > Repetitious > > LoopFactory > > SimplyLooping > > LoopWrangler > > Circular Reasoning > > D'Looper > > Loops of Love > > Le Looper > > Cirque du Looper > > Deja Vu, or just Deja > > > > ...Tim... > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Warren Sirota [mailto:wsirota@wsdesigns.com] > > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 1:56 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Naming a software looper > > > > Thanks, Stephen. I agree with you that names are important. > > That's why I'm struggling with it. > > > > I had a dream right before I woke up this morning - I don't > > remember what the dream was about, but one word was prominent > > in it: Helio. It doesn't have anything to do with looping, > > but then neither does Ableton (many other products are not > > named to reflect their capabilities). A dictionary search > > reveals that "Helios" was the god of the sun or something like that. > > > > So there's one name. Another that I thought of was MultiLoop, > > but I'm not sure how well that really reflects anything. I > > also thought of "FNEZ Looper" (read it out loud), but that's > > a bit on the crude side, I guess. One person I talked to > > liked it, someone else cringed. Cringing is not good. > > > > The things that are most unique about this looper (I think, I > > hope) are: > > > > - instant gratification, easy learning curve > > - Can be operated in hands-free mode; works with most > > footcontrollers (but a multi-bank footcontroller is best; > > basic functions can be in the first bank, advanced functions > > in others) > > - CD-quality, stereo looping > > - loop layers are independently mutable and re-mixable > > - built in digital multitrack recorder makes pristine > > recordings of your live playing, your loops and aux inputs > > (like the people you're playing > > with) > > - peak limiting on the output. In later versions, different > > forms of multiband compression will be supported > > - with a touch of your toe (here I go into marketing-speak), > > you can save all the loops into individual files for later > > processing with Acid or the DAW of your choice. > > - PC (XP) and MAC (OS/X) > > - affordability - I anticipate 3 versions, one at $89 or so, > > one at $199 and one at $299. > > - support for VST plugins to modify the input to the looper > > and the total mix output > > > > At present, it's a fairly basic looper/recorder. In addition > > to the basic looper, reverse is there, as well as > > continuously-varying playback speed, controlled by footpedal > > or mouse (the pitch changes, but it's a pretty good effect). > > But the architecture is very solid, and I expect to be adding > > fancy effects rapidly once I get past the initial hurdles of > > documentation, installers, security (I hate dealing with sw > > security, but you gotta do it), press releases and all that stuff. > > > > I put a couple of screenshots up at > > www.warrensirota.com/looper so you can get a better idea. > > > > I'd love naming suggestions suggestions and votes on the ones > > I've got: Helio (or Helios) and MultiLoop. > > > > Thanks, > > Warren Sirota > > www.warrensirota.com > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: S V G [mailto:vsyevolod@yahoo.com] > > > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 2:22 PM > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V05 #746 > > > > > > > > > > > > Warren, > > > > > > Naming can be a very powerful thing. Especially if > > you are able > > > to describe within the name what is unique about the object to be > > > named. Secondarily, the name can be pleasant to the ear, > > or at least > > > memorable. Associations with other products is usually not > > > desireable. > > > > > > When I hear the name AccuLoop, my mind immediately goes to all > > > the cheaply designed and built woodworking tools from overseas. > > > "Accu" as a prefix, just doesn't instill confidence in a > > product, at > > > least to this boy. > > > > > > Naming your looper has the potential to make it or break it. A > > > good example is the software called Chopitch. Does it mean > > that your > > > chops will start itching? > > > > > > Good luck finding an appropriate name for it. > > > Currently, AccuLoop doesn't do much for me. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Stephen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Warren wrote: > > > It's a little hard for me to complete the docs, though, > > because I'm at > > > sea for a name. I'm thinking maybe AccuLoop. > > > Whaddya think? (that, totally without an explanation of > > what makes it > > > special, is not exactly an easy question - but whether the > > name should > > > be related to the specific features or not is also not an easy one). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! > > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > > > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 21:34:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D22533BF36; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:34:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:34:01 -0800 Subject: The NEW Jamman vs. Echoplex (new) From: Ernie Mansfield To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:34:49 +0000 (UTC) Can anyone give me an update on the new Digitech Jam-man? Is it any better than the previous Jam-man? Is it any competion for the (newest) Echoplex? It is certainly a lot cheaper...! I am really looking for a solo, performance-oriented delay and looping device. I am looking to do live "on the fly" improvisation. I am NOT looking to have everything pre-programmed before a performance!!! Is there any notable competition to the Echoplex, for live performance? -- Ernie Mansfield Mansfield Music -- http://www.mansfieldmusic.com ernie@mansfieldmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 21:57:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 970A13BF3C; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:57:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: The NEW Jamman vs. Echoplex (new) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 22:57:06 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:57:10 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 19, 2005, at 22:34, Ernie Mansfield wrote: > Can anyone give me an update on the new Digitech Jam-man? Maybe. > Is it any better > than the previous Jam-man? You must mean the Lexicon Jamman? No, this is a joke compared to the =20 original. How ignorant to use the same name! I was just lent a =20 DigiTech JamMan and I'm sorry to say I was very disappointed with it. > Is it any competion for the (newest) Echoplex? It > is certainly a lot cheaper...! Definitely not. > I am really looking for a solo, performance-oriented delay and looping > device. I am looking to do live "on the fly" improvisation. > > I am NOT looking to have everything pre-programmed before a =20 > performance!!! > > Is there any notable competition to the Echoplex, for live =20 > performance? Yes, the M=F6bius software plus a good computer running XP. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 19 22:59:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E43C63BF3A; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 22:59:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:05:43 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Naming a software looper To: Message-id: <005601c5ed5d$c595d6c0$818aa344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <003501c5ec8a$df247e80$0202a8c0@Lightning> <437E5E60.90608@sun.com> <588ce11d0511181707h570702f9y4d19e688d8608173@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 22:59:39 +0000 (UTC) A few names... LoopSAW LoopMate LoopIT LoopNOW LoopBox LoopWare LoopCache LoopS Sdooj TimeWarp TimeTunnel TimePipe TimeAndAgain TimeTone TimerCutter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 20 05:09:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3DB93BF38; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 05:09:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: CAKEWALK SONAR HOME STUDIO 4 opinions? Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 00:09:56 -0500 Message-ID: <004301c5ed90$a6b3ec50$0200a8c0@pcdaw> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcXtjUkBLda1QAq6SuOkhg5eI2St8wAAVdjw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <437F554F.505@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 05:09:55 +0000 (UTC) Hi Jeff, >But the main problem I've had with Sonar is that you can't record >the output of an effect or DXi "live". Sonar is designed to apply You can address some of this this using the Freeze Track function. You can undo the Freeze too, so you can go back and edit the MIDI if you need to. Or, there's always Virtual Audio Cables, or do like I used to and run two sound cards and connect them with the S/PDIF cable and send the out of the DXi to the S/PDIF and route it that way. Take care, Tony -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Larson [mailto:Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM] Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 11:40 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: digitalhell Subject: Re: CAKEWALK SONAR HOME STUDIO 4 opinions? The VST/DX adapter bundled with Sonar 4 and below works ok for me, though I've heard reports that there are plugs it doesn't handle properly. At one time it didn't support routing MIDI generated by the plugin, you could only send MIDI into the plugin. In those cases there are several alternative adapters available, one is Directixer at http://tonewise.com/DirectiXer/. But the main problem I've had with Sonar is that you can't record the output of an effect or DXi "live". Sonar is designed to apply effects at runtime to a dry signal, if you want to create a track or file with the effected signal you have to "bounce" the dry track through the plugin, sending the result to another track. This can't be done as you record the dry track, you have to stop and use an offline process. The same thing with VSTi instruments, Sonar records a track of MIDI events and replays it through the instrument every time, if you want to create an audio track with the output of the instrument you have to bounce it offline. Now in theory, the effect or instrument will generate the same output every time so you don't need to record the "wet" signal. Keeping it dry allows you to tinker with the effects without changing the source track. But this is a problem for more complicated plugs like, oh say a looper, that is generating audio in response to both an input signal and a complex stream of MIDI commands. Again in theory as long as you replay exactly the same dry signal and recorded MIDI commands into the plugin you should get the same result, but in practice that doesn't always happen. The only way I'm aware of to address this with Sonar is to host the plugins in a rewire host such as Bidule, then patch the rewire output from Bidule into Sonar for recording. Now, this may have changed in Sonar 5, I haven't had a chance to try that yet. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 20 05:24:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 727233BF38; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 05:24:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cgl4dFP8JHKWOoi3JrABqE+0siIcz/JKILFBhOz68I/0Ynq0rYWqdaU3wuC7w+ICLdGZ8UYFe9kTUgjqXHvmWNT1byenShFRztCuVnspYLvBb/2Ltp52JBtEcTxiVFX+35Y3R90hCLH/iHRIlGCYctNW52CbA1lCuhGqfyhKeEQ= Message-ID: <26ba8d120511192124i566b3abs5b9506fa625490dd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 00:24:57 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Performance in NY area In-Reply-To: <00b101c5ed38$21e93410$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <00b101c5ed38$21e93410$0202a8c0@Lightning> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 05:24:59 +0000 (UTC) darn! I just can't get there from here -- but why don't you come and play in New York again? By the way -- there is some chance that I'll be starting up open loop again next year -- I have been talking to a venue that's very interested -- though I'd be doing it by-monthly. On 11/19/05, Warren Sirota wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks to all of you who have been/still are contributing to discussions > about my Looper. You've all been very gracious about allowing me to take = up > so much mindwidth with the dawn of this commercial release. > > Now for something completely different: next Saturday, November 26, The > Sandbox will be performing at The Baby Grand Cafe, 7 West St., Warwick, = NY > from 1-3. I know this will be out of the way for even those NYers among y= ou > (it's about an hour from the GWB), but maybe some of you are near us. > > Our music is world-tinged freeform improv, with the looper used as an > instrumental technique (I probably loop about 1/2-2/3 of the time). Sampl= es > at www.warrensirota.com/sandbox. > > I hope to meet some of you there... > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 20 11:03:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EA053BF3C; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 11:03:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <004301c5ed90$a6b3ec50$0200a8c0@pcdaw> References: <004301c5ed90$a6b3ec50$0200a8c0@pcdaw> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1BA38039-1DCD-4923-A7A6-C50F978CBB00@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: CAKEWALK SONAR HOME STUDIO 4 opinions? Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 12:03:38 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 11:03:43 +0000 (UTC) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Larson [mailto:Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM] > > But the main problem I've had with Sonar is that you can't record > the output of an effect or DXi "live". Sonar is designed to apply > effects at runtime to a dry signal, if you want to create a track or > file with the effected signal you have to "bounce" the dry track > through the plugin, sending the result to another track. How about inserting the VST TapeIt as the last plug-in? (opening it in the VST/DX wrapper). > From the web page: > 1. Use TapeIt as a channel insert plugin for quick track > bouncing or freezing. > 2. Export accurate mix-downs in realtime. And listen while > exporting. > 3. Record your VST instruments in realtime while playing. > 4. Put TapeIt before and/or after an effect plugin to record the > dry and/or wet signal. > 5. Use TapeIt to monitor any specific point in the signal chain. > 6. Use more than one instance of TapeIt simultaneously (e.g. do > multiple track bounces at once). > > http://www.silverspike.com/?Products:TapeIt Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 20 15:28:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 569A43BF33; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 15:28:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 10:29:19 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Performance in NY area In-reply-to: <26ba8d120511192124i566b3abs5b9506fa625490dd@mail.gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00c101c5ede7$2d8ef8e0$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <3wx11.A.oyD.PYJgDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 15:28:15 +0000 (UTC) Tom - We'd be delighted to play in NY again - if you know of any opportunities, let me know. I've been very lax about hustling up performances because I'm so distracted by things like making the software work, but we do love playing live (and of course Manhattan seems like such a natural "constituency" compared to out here in semi-rural semi-upstate NY). Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: tom.ritchford@gmail.com > [mailto:tom.ritchford@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Tom Ritchford > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 12:25 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Performance in NY area > > > darn! I just can't get there from here -- but why don't you > come and play in New York again? > > By the way -- there is some chance that I'll be starting up > open loop again next year -- I have been talking to a venue > that's very interested -- though I'd be doing it by-monthly. > > On 11/19/05, Warren Sirota wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Thanks to all of you who have been/still are contributing to > > discussions about my Looper. You've all been very gracious about > > allowing me to take up so much mindwidth with the dawn of this > > commercial release. > > > > Now for something completely different: next Saturday, November 26, > > The Sandbox will be performing at The Baby Grand Cafe, 7 West St., > > Warwick, NY from 1-3. I know this will be out of the way for even > > those NYers among you (it's about an hour from the GWB), but maybe > > some of you are near us. > > > > Our music is world-tinged freeform improv, with the looper > used as an > > instrumental technique (I probably loop about 1/2-2/3 of the time). > > Samples at www.warrensirota.com/sandbox. > > > > I hope to meet some of you there... > > > > Best wishes, > > Warren Sirota > > > > > > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 20 15:33:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 591443BF3E; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 15:33:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <438097DD.5040609@Hevanet.com> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 07:35:57 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP RoundMode Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_-SWoC.A.cBE.hdJgDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 15:33:54 +0000 (UTC) Any "nutshell" overviews on EDP RoundMode parameter? This change from off and on (rnd) seems pretty subtle. I know there are lots of "ifs!" thnx, David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 20 16:07:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E68083BF42; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:07:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 10:07:16 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: EDP RoundMode In-reply-to: <438097DD.5040609@Hevanet.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43809F34.7000601@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <438097DD.5040609@Hevanet.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-K0WNB.A.yHF.s8JgDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:07:08 +0000 (UTC) .David.Auker. wrote: > Any "nutshell" overviews on EDP RoundMode parameter? This change from > off and on (rnd) seems pretty subtle. I know there are lots of "ifs!" It determines whether new audio is recorded when you are ending an Insert or Multiply. The pictures on pages 5-11 and 5-29 have the best explanation. It will only have an effect if Quantize=Off or SubCycle. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 20 18:36:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A554F3BEDA; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:36:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4380C23C.1000400@pdq.net> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 12:36:44 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Our own looping wiki? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:36:43 +0000 (UTC) LD members, I've been considering the prospect of hosting a wiki that would focus on looping. The purpose would be to build an extensive, interrelated resource (ie, a wiki!) regarding all aspects of looping. Techniques, concepts, history, trends, gear, artists, etc, etc, etc, and on and on. Although the concept of "looping" is becoming more and more popular, I continually encounter people who are confused by it on even the most basic levels. A resource like this could help them, at a minimum. With all of the broad experience and expertise that this list possesses, I suspect each of us could begin an ongoing journey of learning and discovery. In the process, we might just build something approaching and authoritative web resource on looping. I recognize that there is some information at wikipedia, but as I've browsed it I've also recognized that there is *so* much more information that still remains scattered across the web, in mailing list archives, emails, and even our own brains. Of course, we could all commit to contributing to wikipedia... but I'm not sure that's the easiest or best way to get the job done. Thus, I'm writing this post to the list.... Any interest? Any concerns? If you're not familiar with the wiki concept, try this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki The basic idea is a collaborative web resource, with easy ways to related information through internal links. Wasn't that what they said the web was going to be, anyway? :) I welcome discussion on or off list. Once I measure the reaction and potential of the idea, I'll summarize what I know back to the list. Thanks! Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 20 18:56:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80AAE3BED5; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:56:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,355,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="1521353657:sNHT16343992" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <4380C23C.1000400@pdq.net> References: <4380C23C.1000400@pdq.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <59E3F327-3968-4564-962E-91F68F0022F6@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: Our own looping wiki? Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 12:56:29 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:56:32 +0000 (UTC) I'm really minor-league as a looper, but I'd help. I am a good editor and writer (Ph-by-god-D). I'd make a good utility player. On Nov 20, 2005, at 12:36 PM, Doug Cox wrote: > LD members, > > I've been considering the prospect of hosting a wiki that would > focus on looping. The purpose would be to build an extensive, > interrelated resource (ie, a wiki!) regarding all aspects of > looping. Techniques, concepts, history, trends, gear, artists, > etc, etc, etc, and on and on. Although the concept of "looping" is > becoming more and more popular, I continually encounter people who > are confused by it on even the most basic levels. A resource like > this could help them, at a minimum. With all of the broad > experience and expertise that this list possesses, I suspect each > of us could begin an ongoing journey of learning and discovery. In > the process, we might just build something approaching and > authoritative web resource on looping. > > I recognize that there is some information at wikipedia, but as > I've browsed it I've also recognized that there is *so* much more > information that still remains scattered across the web, in mailing > list archives, emails, and even our own brains. Of course, we > could all commit to contributing to wikipedia... but I'm not sure > that's the easiest or best way to get the job done. Thus, I'm > writing this post to the list.... > > Any interest? Any concerns? > > If you're not familiar with the wiki concept, try this link: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki The basic idea is a > collaborative web resource, with easy ways to related information > through internal links. Wasn't that what they said the web was > going to be, anyway? :) > > I welcome discussion on or off list. Once I measure the reaction > and potential of the idea, I'll summarize what I know back to the > list. > > Thanks! > > Doug > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 20 19:20:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C50DC3BEDC; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 19:20:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: Our own looping wiki? Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:19:58 +0100 Message-ID: <01f101c5ee07$688f4a10$5afca8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <4380C23C.1000400@pdq.net> Resent-Message-ID: <43DbVB.A.lSD.txMgDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 19:20:13 +0000 (UTC) Hi Doug I tried to start something similar where anyone could volunteer to collate information posted to LD, e.g. about a specific piece of hardware (see the headphones example: http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.cgi?HeadPhones). The idea would be to add a navigational help and structure to the very rich but "flat" and hard to search LD mailing list archive. I have also started cookbooks for EDP and Repeater using the same technology. The OS wish list for the repeater kind of worked. Several people added their wishes. See http://loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/200411/msg00060.html and http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.cgi http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/edp/kwiki.cgi http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/repeater-users/kwiki.cgi Bernhard http://nosuch.biz > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] > Sent: Sonntag, 20. November 2005 19:37 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Our own looping wiki? > > LD members, > > I've been considering the prospect of hosting a wiki that would focus on > looping. The purpose would be to build an extensive, interrelated > resource (ie, a wiki!) regarding all aspects of looping. Techniques, > concepts, history, trends, gear, artists, etc, etc, etc, and on and on. > Although the concept of "looping" is becoming more and more popular, I > continually encounter people who are confused by it on even the most > basic levels. A resource like this could help them, at a minimum. With > all of the broad experience and expertise that this list possesses, I > suspect each of us could begin an ongoing journey of learning and > discovery. In the process, we might just build something approaching > and authoritative web resource on looping. > > I recognize that there is some information at wikipedia, but as I've > browsed it I've also recognized that there is *so* much more information > that still remains scattered across the web, in mailing list archives, > emails, and even our own brains. Of course, we could all commit to > contributing to wikipedia... but I'm not sure that's the easiest or best > way to get the job done. Thus, I'm writing this post to the list.... > > Any interest? Any concerns? > > If you're not familiar with the wiki concept, try this link: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki The basic idea is a collaborative > web resource, with easy ways to related information through internal > links. Wasn't that what they said the web was going to be, anyway? :) > > I welcome discussion on or off list. Once I measure the reaction and > potential of the idea, I'll summarize what I know back to the list. > > Thanks! > > Doug > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 20 20:36:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E491D3BECF; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:36:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4380DEB2.3080208@Hevanet.com> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 12:38:10 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP RoundMode References: <438097DD.5040609@Hevanet.com> <43809F34.7000601@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <43809F34.7000601@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:36:06 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Larson wrote: > .David.Auker. wrote: > >> Any "nutshell" overviews on EDP RoundMode parameter? This change >> from off and on (rnd) seems pretty subtle. I know there are lots of >> "ifs!" > > > It determines whether new audio is recorded when you are ending > an Insert or Multiply. The pictures on pages 5-11 and 5-29 have > the best explanation. It will only have an effect if Quantize=Off > or SubCycle. > Thanks, I was thinking it might have other considerations, too. I need more experience changing parameters to make the reasoning more clear. There must be situations where Quantize=off, but the features of RoundMode desired. Lots of ways to get around to make this a personal tool! David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 20 20:58:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EFA33BED0; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:58:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 14:57:55 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: EDP RoundMode In-reply-to: <4380DEB2.3080208@Hevanet.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4380E353.2030607@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <438097DD.5040609@Hevanet.com> <43809F34.7000601@sun.com> <4380DEB2.3080208@Hevanet.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8oLIHD.A.OWF.ZNOgDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:58:01 +0000 (UTC) .David.Auker. wrote: > Thanks, I was thinking it might have other considerations, too. I need > more experience changing parameters to make the reasoning more clear. > There must be situations where Quantize=off, but the features of > RoundMode desired. RoundMode is only meaningful when Quantize=off (or subcycle in some cases). When Quantize=cycle or loop, then the start and end of the multiply will always be quantized to a cycle boundary anyway so there will be no "rounding period" during which RoundMode decides whether or not you will record. The name is a bit confusing IMO because it suggests that it controls whether Insert/Multiply will do rounding which it doesn't. A more accurate name would be RecordDuringRounding but that's of course harder to print on the front panel :-) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 20 23:42:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 129C93BECF; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 23:42:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" Subject: The PiNG presents Sylken with URM & Anomalous Disturbances Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:43:10 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000301c5ee2c$2a60b600$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Originating-IP: [0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 23:42:09 +0000 (UTC) THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday Nov. 22nd - Sylken with URM & Anomalous Disturbances To celebrate the release of Sylken's new "Terraforms" CD, Sylken invites you to THE AMBiENT PiNG to bask in some liquid sound paintings, spacious atmos and ambient vibes to float your mind on. Eric Hopper (Sylken), Terry O'Brien (Anomalous Disturbances - visiting from Vancouver) and Jamie Todd (URM, dreamSTATE) team up to bring you an evening of spacey synth washes, looping ambient guitar cascades, rhythmic grooves and virtual laptop soundshaping for your pleasure. http://www.anomalousdisturbances.com http://www.sylken.ca http://www.urm.ca Between Sets CD - "Land Of The Blind" by The Circular Ruins Sparce pulsations mix with swirling synthesizers in a series of pieces recorded 2002-2004 by London Ontario's Anthony Paul Kerby (APK). http://www.databloem.com/TCR/ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday November 29th 2005 . PHOLDE and INSIDEaMIND http://www.pholde.com http://insideamind.net . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Terraforms" by Sylken Eric Hopper's project Sylken returns with "Terraforms", a beautiful example of the ambient ideal. Working with some of the brightest talents in the AMBiENT PiNG community including frequent collaborator Steven Sauve, along with Wally Jericho, Jamie Todd of dreamSTATE, Terry O'Brien of Anomolous Disturbances and Gregory Kyryluk of Alpha Wave Movement, Hopper has collected a series of melodic ambient tracks of great beauty and wonder. >From the throbbing pulse of opening track "Terra Rising", where graceful arpeggios and deep pads blend together with each other to form a delicate web of sound, the listener is caught up in the beauty inherent in all of Sylken's work. A lovely way to start the disc. "Landfalls" follows, a track that suggests a rainforest, an environment rich with vivid colour and beauty, lush keyboard washes bringing to mind thick forests of greenery. A wonderful example of environmental ambience. Track three "Breath of Life" slows down the tempo slightly, a fragile and beautiful piece where occasional piano dances around sweeping soundscapes that pass through the soundfield like a slow wind. Fragile and lovely. "Enfoldment" brings about a womb-like listening experience where the senses become focussed entirely on the music, Wally Jericho's sax bringing an otherworldly beauty to the piece. "The Shores of Space" is a fine example of space music, a track that evokes the sensation of slow orbits around alien planets. Oblique movement and gently building waves of sound are underscored by soft melodies suggestive of stars. Beautiful. Title track "Terraforms" is a lovely percolating soundscape that brings to mind the birth of planets, continents slowly taking shape over the course of millions of years. Wally Jericho appears again, lovely trumpet work giving the track an organic feeling, the spark of a soul that reminds us that the earth is just as much of a living thing as you or I. "World of One" blends pads and drones, echoing tones and keening notes to suggest a pulse, a heartbeat, the beginnings of life. Subtly shifting tones and the tinkling of glass play throughout, a stunning work of minimalist wonder. Track eight, "Gaia's lament" is a poignant piece, a slowly drifting series of pads that float around the senses, playing on the edge of our awareness. Nuance and infrequent shifts give shape to the track, a million instants of change so subtle that they're lost in the blink of an eye if you aren't already in tune with them. "The Drift of Time" follows, a delicate melodic ambient track where pads rise and fall in strength overtop a mesmerizing tonal pattern. Stunning. "Zen Sky", featuring a guest appearance by Gregory Kyryluk of Alpha Wave Movement, closes the disc. A shimmering otherworldly piece filled with glittering notes and musical phrases, "Zen Sky" encapsulates the whole disc experience for the listener. A wonderful piece, and a lovely way to close the disc. Listening to "Terraforms" I can't help but be put under the spell of Sylken's charms. All of the tracks bring to mind a variety of different emotions and feelings throughout the course of the disc's length, a testimony to the talent and artistry inherent in the music that it can be so evocative. Once again Sylken has succeeded in creating music that brilliantly captures a mood, a feeling, a time and a space. Stunning work that comes highly recommended, as does the rest of the Sylken catalogue. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 21 04:01:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CFDE3BEDB; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 04:01:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: New loop tool, sort of.. Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:01:17 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20051118191440.50768.qmail@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 04:01:19 +0000 (UTC) Hey Steve, one suggestion Rick Turner had was to use another type of monitor in addition to the Bose line array (keyboard amp, mackie powered monitor etc..)for folks who absolutely need stereo. I'm not sure if what you are suggesting would really work, and although I'm not exactly a guy with clout at this point LOL, I will inquire. Also, Mike at Leos Pro audio in Oakland told me that the line array speakers are already available for people who already have power amps and mixers, i.e., you don't have to buy the powered system to get at the speaker technology. The thing is, the nature of the line array (bose system) is that it is much less directional sounding, and more three dimensional than a standard monaural source. Perhaps a really good mono piano sample through a system like this will sound superior? I don't know. haven't tried. What I believe is that when one sits down at a piano and plays, the sound is hitting ones ears from many directions, at different times, and in essence, a tall column of multiple speakers (a line array) coupled with a subwoofer is achieving somewhat the same thing. I mean a grand piano is not in and of its self stereo, is it? But its amazingly full and enveloping. Ditto for the bose system. Also perhaps the technology employed in the DTAR Mama Bear might find its way in to the keyboard realm. In a nutshell the MB allows you to plug in a piezo or magnetic acoustic pickup source, and add physically modeled eq characteristics of 16 different acoustic guitars ranging from a parlor guitar to a national tricone. The result being a sound with more body, air, and acoustic quality, not to mention more versatility. Perhaps someone will market a box that allows you to filter an average sounding piano sample through a Bosendorfer or Steinway model. I'll pass on your suggestion. Bill -----Original Message----- From: S V G [mailto:vsyevolod@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 11:15 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New loop tool, sort of.. Bill, When you see this Bose guy again, perhaps you could put in a plea for a "stereo PAS", that is a single PAS with every other speaker putting out L or R signal. All this would take is an additional amp inside the unit. Now I'm acutely aware of the fallacy of having a stereo field on the soundstage of most performance venues. Even if it does work for the performers on stage, it may not translate as much of an improvement to the audience. However, most keyboardists suffer from the fact that stereo acoustic piano samples sound terrible in mono. This is true with just about every piano sample out there in all the big names brands (Kurzweil, Korg, Yamaha, Roland, Alesis, etc.) Even the so-called "mono pianos" sound terrible. All it takes is separating the two channels in acoustic space to get the piano samples to sound halfway decent. This can be done within a PAS I'm pretty sure. Then again, stereo chorus effects, as well as a host of other ambient or panning effects will come through stronger with a single source stereo PAS compared to a mono one. Again, it's not about creating a stereo sound stage with separation between the channels. It's about giving the L and R channels their own physical space to emerge from, regardless of how close in proximity they are to each other. Anyone else have any thoughts or experience with this matter? Greetings from sunny Seattle, Stephen BillyBoyWalker wrote: Yo, Two nights ago I played test pilot for Rick Turner and an engineer from Bose labororatories. __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 21 09:55:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63F1B3BED3; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 09:55:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HpPvaEz6ghTTZk+Lp6mSc94OJUuAUGUW8J8CUILKzFFhjPsXnrFWhygoFjjl+OMfcGLZ2S0rKmwYiJ5hdDtmdBlwpEK3AgTVKnE6wquGFNgW6WUsTa4A9qoEJjyzP7ykaA2PBJOy2NFPAUnRMKuKDtWt6SEl1i2aL7wTZTWsuK8= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 01:55:27 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Our own looping wiki? In-Reply-To: <01f101c5ee07$688f4a10$5afca8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <4380C23C.1000400@pdq.net> <01f101c5ee07$688f4a10$5afca8c0@alhambra> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 09:55:29 +0000 (UTC) The problem is insuring that all the info entered into whatever system doesn't get orphaned after a few years. There's a ton of information in the LD archives, but if you start a new tool there's no way that's going to be migrated en masse to the new system, and the incentive for LD members to contribute to a new system is somewhat unclear. Who's going to host this new site? TravisH On 11/20/05, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > Hi Doug > > I tried to start something similar where anyone could volunteer to collat= e > information posted to LD, e.g. about a specific piece of hardware (see th= e > headphones example: > http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.cgi?HeadPhones= ). > The idea would be to add a navigational help and structure to the very ri= ch > but "flat" and hard to search LD mailing list archive. I have also starte= d > cookbooks for EDP and Repeater using the same technology. The OS wish lis= t > for the repeater kind of worked. Several people added their wishes. > > See http://loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/200411/msg00060.html > and > http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.cgi > http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/edp/kwiki.cgi > http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/repeater-users/kwiki.cgi > > Bernhard > http://nosuch.biz > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] > > Sent: Sonntag, 20. November 2005 19:37 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Our own looping wiki? > > > > LD members, > > > > I've been considering the prospect of hosting a wiki that would focus o= n > > looping. The purpose would be to build an extensive, interrelated > > resource (ie, a wiki!) regarding all aspects of looping. Techniques, > > concepts, history, trends, gear, artists, etc, etc, etc, and on and on. > > Although the concept of "looping" is becoming more and more popular, I > > continually encounter people who are confused by it on even the most > > basic levels. A resource like this could help them, at a minimum. Wit= h > > all of the broad experience and expertise that this list possesses, I > > suspect each of us could begin an ongoing journey of learning and > > discovery. In the process, we might just build something approaching > > and authoritative web resource on looping. > > > > I recognize that there is some information at wikipedia, but as I've > > browsed it I've also recognized that there is *so* much more informatio= n > > that still remains scattered across the web, in mailing list archives, > > emails, and even our own brains. Of course, we could all commit to > > contributing to wikipedia... but I'm not sure that's the easiest or bes= t > > way to get the job done. Thus, I'm writing this post to the list.... > > > > Any interest? 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    ----VzFOzmE6BY4zEik7jQjx-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 21 14:35:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F37133BEE7; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:35:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4381DB2A.6050404@pdq.net> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:35:22 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Our own looping wiki? References: <4380C23C.1000400@pdq.net> <01f101c5ee07$688f4a10$5afca8c0@alhambra> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:35:20 +0000 (UTC) A wiki is a community tool, and much like this mailing list, would only be "orphaned" if every member of the community decided to abandon it. There certainly is no financial incentive for anyone involved. What incentive usually motivates people to contribute to an online resource? Per my original note, I was offering to host it. However, based on the responses so far, I've just decided to create my own wikipedia account and I'm looking at what kind of looping information I might contribute there. So - as they say - nevermind :) Doug Travis Hartnett wrote: >The problem is insuring that all the info entered into whatever system >doesn't get orphaned after a few years. There's a ton of information >in the LD archives, but if you start a new tool there's no way that's >going to be migrated en masse to the new system, and the incentive for >LD members to contribute to a new system is somewhat unclear. Who's >going to host this new site? > >TravisH > >On 11/20/05, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > > >>Hi Doug >> >>I tried to start something similar where anyone could volunteer to collate >>information posted to LD, e.g. about a specific piece of hardware (see the >>headphones example: >>http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.cgi?HeadPhones). >>The idea would be to add a navigational help and structure to the very rich >>but "flat" and hard to search LD mailing list archive. I have also started >>cookbooks for EDP and Repeater using the same technology. The OS wish list >>for the repeater kind of worked. Several people added their wishes. >> >>See http://loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/200411/msg00060.html >>and >>http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.cgi >>http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/edp/kwiki.cgi >>http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/repeater-users/kwiki.cgi >> >>Bernhard >>http://nosuch.biz >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] >>>Sent: Sonntag, 20. November 2005 19:37 >>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>Subject: Our own looping wiki? >>> >>>LD members, >>> >>>I've been considering the prospect of hosting a wiki that would focus on >>>looping. The purpose would be to build an extensive, interrelated >>>resource (ie, a wiki!) regarding all aspects of looping. Techniques, >>>concepts, history, trends, gear, artists, etc, etc, etc, and on and on. >>>Although the concept of "looping" is becoming more and more popular, I >>>continually encounter people who are confused by it on even the most >>>basic levels. A resource like this could help them, at a minimum. With >>>all of the broad experience and expertise that this list possesses, I >>>suspect each of us could begin an ongoing journey of learning and >>>discovery. In the process, we might just build something approaching >>>and authoritative web resource on looping. >>> >>>I recognize that there is some information at wikipedia, but as I've >>>browsed it I've also recognized that there is *so* much more information >>>that still remains scattered across the web, in mailing list archives, >>>emails, and even our own brains. Of course, we could all commit to >>>contributing to wikipedia... but I'm not sure that's the easiest or best >>>way to get the job done. Thus, I'm writing this post to the list.... >>> >>>Any interest? Any concerns? >>> >>>If you're not familiar with the wiki concept, try this link: >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki The basic idea is a collaborative >>>web resource, with easy ways to related information through internal >>>links. Wasn't that what they said the web was going to be, anyway? :) >>> >>>I welcome discussion on or off list. Once I measure the reaction and >>>potential of the idea, I'll summarize what I know back to the list. >>> >>>Thanks! >>> >>>Doug >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 21 16:06:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F1CB3BEE7; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:06:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=fuZL14l2vPoekTNL9Ajz73DA5t93u+8rtTX5jm9/D8l3fR24551hSqOnDv1PWQd2XSAsyD9o+v1fc0JSeJMslfe7uvDHhOfv2qZhUCt2ARqtS6jiaLc7V9z6AaQtI1PvDZ4JqeoWYIth69WDqkgwTuq4/INiakJUgMGE9hXnIWo= Message-ID: <2ab9fc770511210806p4a06756fu5c8ad0a87955b3b3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:06:36 -0500 From: Christopher Bell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: World instruments samples? In-Reply-To: <0MKp2t-1Ecdnk0nMA-0003fj@mrelay.perfora.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11732_2072240.1132589196103" References: <0MKp2t-1Ecdnk0nMA-0003fj@mrelay.perfora.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:06:37 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_11732_2072240.1132589196103 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline It looks like we got the Indian stuff covered, but any recommendations on other areas? I'm particularly interested in gamelan music and various other asian stringed instruments -- just about any kind of zither or banjo-type instrument. I appreciate the advice here... On 11/17/05, hazard factor wrote: > > Don't forget the excellent Darbuka, @ > > http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/VirtualPercussionistDarbuka-main.ht= ml > > A very nice collection, indeed. > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > ------=_Part_11732_2072240.1132589196103 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline It looks like we got the Indian stuff covered, but any recommendations on o= ther areas? I'm particularly interested in gamelan music and various other = asian stringed instruments -- just about any kind of zither or banjo-type i= nstrument. I appreciate the advice here...

    On 11/17/05, hazard factor <artists@= hazardfactor.com> wrote:
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    Dave Eichenberger
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    ------=_Part_11732_2072240.1132589196103-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 21 16:48:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C63103BEF4; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:48:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Ty7jJyH42LoDo1u7Q8a7+NX5BGBN45Ajq26Rs7bddCt+tw5lYMDIP8aB/62Fp6+R; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200511121165233120@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: The Green Book Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:52:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94065768a6dd3090db8345f7caad524a19d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.132 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:48:19 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Do any of you cats or kittens know where I can buy Lowell Davidson's "The Green Book"? My web search has come up empty. Any help would be greatly appreciated. ~Tim Timothy Mungenast mungenast@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

    Do any of you cats or kittens know where I can buy Lowell Davidson's "The Green Book"?
    My web search has come up empty.
    Any help would be greatly appreciated.
    ~Tim
     
     
    Timothy Mungenast
    Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
     

    ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 21 16:58:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 235583BEF7; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:58:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UhGfCDE4Ba835RP2jzPRh6TV+AKwSIISUzocZoJhO5T6wncGOdW6BpS+E6YdJbTnlcq1q2TjPoVK9ZoOlLFPqWwL4o7alkV1ZbGIY2AWpXEfZlzH0eaKRFw7ygnO1pWPAI/tzMOC9wWln3nR3qECgPF1V5cbqjEmCoJS2Gy5eH4= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:58:17 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Green Book In-Reply-To: <410-2200511121165233120@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <410-2200511121165233120@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:58:19 +0000 (UTC) Aside from just the "I own that object value", do you need to have an actual copy of his Green Book? My understanding was that it was sort of like EVP--any blank input cycled into noise would produce the same functional output, so you could make your own at Kinko's. TravisH On 11/21/05, Timothy Mungenast wrote: > > > > Do any of you cats or kittens know where I can buy Lowell Davidson's "The > Green Book"? > My web search has come up empty. > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > ~Tim > > > Timothy Mungenast > mungenast@earthlink.net > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 21 17:02:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD7FF3BEFE; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:02:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=O1G0MV0vBDk4vLxF/bTBWk4OV5PSTbJ2CVhbrAljWZmxz6YWLB4K/IGszHDVG+QsD/CO85bCAlwbdqvSkSv80T2jkuzJR9lCbe541FV/835sj/9Y+WEN5N04r0WUBBdNK5opLeGTrtvDqt9ky+0RDusJAHmE/GUkUJjT8CAGpQg= Message-ID: <26ba8d120511210902w6b66a720qc25183f506c908e5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 12:02:30 -0500 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Performance in NY area In-Reply-To: <00c101c5ede7$2d8ef8e0$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <26ba8d120511192124i566b3abs5b9506fa625490dd@mail.gmail.com> <00c101c5ede7$2d8ef8e0$0202a8c0@Lightning> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:02:32 +0000 (UTC) Well, it looksk as if I'm going to become a partner in a gallery in W'burg so that might be a logical way to go. I'll keep ya posted... On 11/20/05, Warren Sirota wrote: > Tom - > > We'd be delighted to play in NY again - if you know of any opportunities, > let me know. I've been very lax about hustling up performances because I'= m > so distracted by things like making the software work, but we do love > playing live (and of course Manhattan seems like such a natural > "constituency" compared to out here in semi-rural semi-upstate NY). > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tom.ritchford@gmail.com > > [mailto:tom.ritchford@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Tom Ritchford > > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 12:25 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Performance in NY area > > > > > > darn! I just can't get there from here -- but why don't you > > come and play in New York again? > > > > By the way -- there is some chance that I'll be starting up > > open loop again next year -- I have been talking to a venue > > that's very interested -- though I'd be doing it by-monthly. > > > > On 11/19/05, Warren Sirota wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Thanks to all of you who have been/still are contributing to > > > discussions about my Looper. You've all been very gracious about > > > allowing me to take up so much mindwidth with the dawn of this > > > commercial release. > > > > > > Now for something completely different: next Saturday, November 26, > > > The Sandbox will be performing at The Baby Grand Cafe, 7 West St., > > > Warwick, NY from 1-3. I know this will be out of the way for even > > > those NYers among you (it's about an hour from the GWB), but maybe > > > some of you are near us. > > > > > > Our music is world-tinged freeform improv, with the looper > > used as an > > > instrumental technique (I probably loop about 1/2-2/3 of the time). > > > Samples at www.warrensirota.com/sandbox. > > > > > > I hope to meet some of you there... > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Warren Sirota > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > /t > > > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 21 17:04:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 405E53BEEC; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:04:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PvpJEFaX+ikb11huOW69mqcQ3iUoPCHfRSMnSgC9FPK3DelaPNAMU3l2Nq+0kCqlLHrxgyBGHdqIar/iq2btEsFZyA09MBNJu+0oD3i4Ec5vpekaS3VDeh7Nq1xUm5nc7vyWaUwdbYiYtK7iuYHYfMLWhdIIeAfULeV7Ug/TyTc= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 09:04:01 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Our own looping wiki? In-Reply-To: <4381DB2A.6050404@pdq.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <4380C23C.1000400@pdq.net> <01f101c5ee07$688f4a10$5afca8c0@alhambra> <4381DB2A.6050404@pdq.net> Resent-Message-ID: <4my6pC.A.ovC.C4fgDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:04:02 +0000 (UTC) The mailing list archived body of information would be orphaned if Kim decided to stop paying for the hosting and bandwidth, which is what I was referring to. TravisH On 11/21/05, Doug Cox wrote: > A wiki is a community tool, and much like this mailing list, would only > be "orphaned" if every member of the community decided to abandon it. > > There certainly is no financial incentive for anyone involved. What > incentive usually motivates people to contribute to an online resource? > > Per my original note, I was offering to host it. > > However, based on the responses so far, I've just decided to create my > own wikipedia account and I'm looking at what kind of looping > information I might contribute there. So - as they say - nevermind :) > > Doug > > Travis Hartnett wrote: > > >The problem is insuring that all the info entered into whatever system > >doesn't get orphaned after a few years. There's a ton of information > >in the LD archives, but if you start a new tool there's no way that's > >going to be migrated en masse to the new system, and the incentive for > >LD members to contribute to a new system is somewhat unclear. Who's > >going to host this new site? > > > >TravisH > > > >On 11/20/05, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > > > > > >>Hi Doug > >> > >>I tried to start something similar where anyone could volunteer to coll= ate > >>information posted to LD, e.g. about a specific piece of hardware (see = the > >>headphones example: > >>http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.cgi?HeadPhon= es). > >>The idea would be to add a navigational help and structure to the very = rich > >>but "flat" and hard to search LD mailing list archive. I have also star= ted > >>cookbooks for EDP and Repeater using the same technology. The OS wish l= ist > >>for the repeater kind of worked. Several people added their wishes. > >> > >>See http://loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/200411/msg00060.html > >>and > >>http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/LoopersDelightReviews/kwiki.cgi > >>http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/edp/kwiki.cgi > >>http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/repeater-users/kwiki.cgi > >> > >>Bernhard > >>http://nosuch.biz > >> > >> > >> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] > >>>Sent: Sonntag, 20. November 2005 19:37 > >>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>>Subject: Our own looping wiki? > >>> > >>>LD members, > >>> > >>>I've been considering the prospect of hosting a wiki that would focus = on > >>>looping. The purpose would be to build an extensive, interrelated > >>>resource (ie, a wiki!) regarding all aspects of looping. Techniques, > >>>concepts, history, trends, gear, artists, etc, etc, etc, and on and on= . > >>>Although the concept of "looping" is becoming more and more popular, I > >>>continually encounter people who are confused by it on even the most > >>>basic levels. A resource like this could help them, at a minimum. Wi= th > >>>all of the broad experience and expertise that this list possesses, I > >>>suspect each of us could begin an ongoing journey of learning and > >>>discovery. In the process, we might just build something approaching > >>>and authoritative web resource on looping. > >>> > >>>I recognize that there is some information at wikipedia, but as I've > >>>browsed it I've also recognized that there is *so* much more informati= on > >>>that still remains scattered across the web, in mailing list archives, > >>>emails, and even our own brains. Of course, we could all commit to > >>>contributing to wikipedia... but I'm not sure that's the easiest or be= st > >>>way to get the job done. Thus, I'm writing this post to the list.... > >>> > >>>Any interest? Any concerns? > >>> > >>>If you're not familiar with the wiki concept, try this link: > >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki The basic idea is a collaborative > >>>web resource, with easy ways to related information through internal > >>>links. Wasn't that what they said the web was going to be, anyway? :) > >>> > >>>I welcome discussion on or off list. Once I measure the reaction and > >>>potential of the idea, I'll summarize what I know back to the list. > >>> > >>>Thanks! > >>> > >>>Doug > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 21 17:05:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D2023BEEC; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:05:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=PqvnbXO8JOW3ZU/50B/uuWUeJerUM84OzMIpj/5Aqj0kEubTndcHhHN4zr8fOKaq; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220051112117921830@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Green Book Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 12:09:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94048423efe70e5fabdfaa754f3b68a6ce8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.132 Resent-Message-ID: <8vXqyC.A.iyC.A5fgDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:05:04 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the idea, and I do have some swell B&W images I culled from a Compugraphic machine back in 1987, but I'd seen a page or two on the web and found them strangely beautiful... the "me want" voice began to softly chant (LOL). ~T > [Original Message] > From: Travis Hartnett > To: > Date: 11/21/2005 11:58:19 AM > Subject: Re: The Green Book > > Aside from just the "I own that object value", do you need to have an > actual copy of his Green Book? My understanding was that it was sort > of like EVP--any blank input cycled into noise would produce the same > functional output, so you could make your own at Kinko's. > > TravisH > > On 11/21/05, Timothy Mungenast wrote: > > > > > > > > Do any of you cats or kittens know where I can buy Lowell Davidson's "The > > Green Book"? > > My web search has come up empty. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > ~Tim > > > > > > Timothy Mungenast > > mungenast@earthlink.net > > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 21 17:20:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 933843BEFF; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:20:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CABSPgUOCKYNkAQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051121171711.0283db40@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:18:00 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:RE: New loop tool, sort of.. In-Reply-To: <20051121160637.00D7E3BEF7@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051121160637.00D7E3BEF7@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:20:30 +0000 (UTC) >I mean a grand piano is not in and of its self >stereo, is it? Yes, it is. :-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 21 18:03:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D91E83BEF0; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:03:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: e734ff5fbe76858193487f2dc61df90e Received-SPF: pass (mubende.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.176.10.8 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.176.10.8; envelope-from=matigrob@terra.com.br; helo=[10.1.1.4]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matigrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4380DEB2.3080208@Hevanet.com> References: <438097DD.5040609@Hevanet.com> <43809F34.7000601@sun.com> <4380DEB2.3080208@Hevanet.com> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:03:38 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP RoundMode Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <2WnsSD.A.CLE.HwggDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:03:51 +0000 (UTC) >Jeff Larson wrote: > >>.David.Auker. wrote: >> >>>Any "nutshell" overviews on EDP RoundMode parameter? This change >>>from off and on (rnd) seems pretty subtle. I know there are lots >>>of "ifs!" >> >> >>It determines whether new audio is recorded when you are ending >>an Insert or Multiply. The pictures on pages 5-11 and 5-29 have >>the best explanation. It will only have an effect if Quantize=Off >>or SubCycle. >> > >Thanks, I was thinking it might have other considerations, too. I >need more experience changing parameters to make the reasoning more >clear. There must be situations where Quantize=off, but the >features of RoundMode desired. Lots of ways to get around to make >this a personal tool! > >David hm... this makes it look complicated. :-( there are several degrees of acuracy vs freedom: - quantized: total acuracy no freedom - Rounded with RoundMode on: recording lenght is exactly multiple cycles - Rounded with RoundMode off: loop lenght is exactly multiple cycles. recording length as long as Multiply-Multiply tap (or Multiply-Overdub...) - Unrounded (Multi-Record): full freedom for me personally, RoundMode needs to be off. If I want to make sure that the whole loop is overdubbed, I rather use Multiply-Overdub than having the machine cut precisely somewhere in the middle of a note. This is different for someone who plays acurately and consciously because he can play in the patern of the machine. But such character maybe rather prefers quantized anyway... Before we had Quantize Ljubo wanted this rounding option, and it made sense to me. In the LOOP delay it was an internal DIP switch :-) then we just carried it on... Does anyone else use and like RoundMode = on ? Jeff said: >The name is a bit confusing IMO because it suggests that it controls >whether Insert/Multiply will do rounding which it doesn't. A more >accurate name would be RecordDuringRounding but that's of course >harder to print on the front panel :-) exactly. First we called it LjuboMode - at least not missleading :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 21 18:34:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BA9A3BEFB; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:34:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=x+BlLjqO9BS15iExsIvXzKDxaJHSfrPTtZCWZcthH9efKWAfNOfRD1MjdRvlmHce0l14zO9T/DLDAJGMM6qGlKPaErzelDJZYaNAOqhb6jfDyjC540ABLxLzNn3FbomGjtDl6OMuquEJY5auKIECqbfKJJ7Jk1C1dp8wiKmSIvM= ; Message-ID: <20051121183428.74715.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 10:34:27 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Making time (was RE: Time travel) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000e01c5ed27$38914880$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:34:30 +0000 (UTC) I'll check out the book for sure (when I finish the cyberpunk "VURT" I'm reading now) But towards more serious conversation OT, it took me about 35 years to find out that the world is full of things that don't want you to loop... or play music of any kind and only one way to "Just do it" (and by that Nike means go to the local Footlocker and buy their products). Get yourself some sort of PDA (my simple Nokie phone has a good enough calander app with an alarm) and PUT IT IN YOUR SCHEDULE. If something else comes up that's invading your loop time ask yourself "does this mean more to me than looping?" or "can this wait until another time?" and you'll find that you'll play a lot more. It's hard though. Takes descipline. That beeping phone does help though. Mark --- Scott M2 wrote: > The time travel is handled elegantly and it's also > a very powerful romance. (Not trying to scare anyone > off.) > > Cheers, > Scott M2 > > http://www.dreamSTATE.to > ambientelectronicsoundscapes > http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com > > > > Time warping - good idea, possibly in a later > version :-) > > > > By the way - on the subject of time travel - I'm > currently > > reading "The Time > > Traveler's Wife". I highly recommend it. The > premise is that > > there's this > > guy who uncontrollably, spontaneously, time > travels to points > > +/- 50 years > > from his present, mostly into his past, and keeps > visiting > > mostly his wife > > and sometimes his past self. So he first meets his > wife (or, > > I should rather > > say, his wife first meets him) when he's 40 and > she's 6, although he's > > "really" 8 years older than her. Sometimes, as in > that > > scenario, he has > > knowledge of her future that she doesn't have, and > other > > times, like when > > she's 20 and he's 28 (realtime), she has knowledge > of *his* > > future (she > > knows the 40-year old already). It's a unique, > subtle and interesting > > variant on a fascinating but often tired theme. > > > > Best wishes, > > Warren Sirota > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 21 19:50:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 039A33BEF4; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 19:50:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: RE: New loop tool, sort of.. Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:50:00 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20051121171711.0283db40@tiscali.co.uk> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <2oEDyD.A.1pG.pTigDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 19:50:01 +0000 (UTC) OK Mister contrary, Explain yourself. :-) A one sentence rebutle ain't gonna cut it.LOL I feel that a piano is more like a a surround sound or a multi speaker array, not two speaker sources spread apart. Your thoughts? Bill -----Original Message----- From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:18 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:RE: New loop tool, sort of.. >I mean a grand piano is not in and of its self >stereo, is it? Yes, it is. :-) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 21 19:54:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15FBB3BEF7; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 19:54:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,357,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="1663901472:sNHT49498744664" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20051121171711.0283db40@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20051121160637.00D7E3BEF7@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051121171711.0283db40@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <15255858-4E66-4992-A68B-5EE8B8937DAE@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Coffin Subject: Re: New loop tool, sort of.. Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:54:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 19:54:52 +0000 (UTC) In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king On Nov 21, 2005, at 9:18 AM, a k butler wrote: > > >> I mean a grand piano is not in and of its self >> stereo, is it? >> > > Yes, it is. :-) > > andy butler > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 21 20:00:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 045463BF16; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 20:00:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:01:23 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Performance in NY area In-reply-to: <26ba8d120511210902w6b66a720qc25183f506c908e5@mail.gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004e01c5eed6$596ee8e0$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 20:00:31 +0000 (UTC) Awesome, Tom. Actually, openings at galleries are one of my favorite types of venues. Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: tom.ritchford@gmail.com > [mailto:tom.ritchford@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Tom Ritchford > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 12:03 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Performance in NY area > > > Well, it looksk as if I'm going to become a partner in a > gallery in W'burg so that might be a logical way to go. I'll > keep ya posted... > > On 11/20/05, Warren Sirota wrote: > > Tom - > > > > We'd be delighted to play in NY again - if you know of any > > opportunities, let me know. I've been very lax about hustling up > > performances because I'm so distracted by things like making the > > software work, but we do love playing live (and of course Manhattan > > seems like such a natural "constituency" compared to out here in > > semi-rural semi-upstate NY). > > > > Best wishes, > > Warren Sirota > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: tom.ritchford@gmail.com [mailto:tom.ritchford@gmail.com] On > > > Behalf Of Tom Ritchford > > > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 12:25 AM > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: Re: Performance in NY area > > > > > > > > > darn! I just can't get there from here -- but why don't you come > > > and play in New York again? > > > > > > By the way -- there is some chance that I'll be starting up open > > > loop again next year -- I have been talking to a venue > that's very > > > interested -- though I'd be doing it by-monthly. > > > > > > On 11/19/05, Warren Sirota wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Thanks to all of you who have been/still are contributing to > > > > discussions about my Looper. You've all been very > gracious about > > > > allowing me to take up so much mindwidth with the dawn of this > > > > commercial release. > > > > > > > > Now for something completely different: next Saturday, November > > > > 26, The Sandbox will be performing at The Baby Grand > Cafe, 7 West > > > > St., Warwick, NY from 1-3. I know this will be out of > the way for > > > > even those NYers among you (it's about an hour from the > GWB), but > > > > maybe some of you are near us. > > > > > > > > Our music is world-tinged freeform improv, with the looper > > > used as an > > > > instrumental technique (I probably loop about 1/2-2/3 of the > > > > time). Samples at www.warrensirota.com/sandbox. > > > > > > > > I hope to meet some of you there... > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Warren Sirota > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > /t > > > > > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > > > > > > > > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 21 20:50:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9E8C3BF08; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 20:50:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <43823303.000020.02320@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 12:50:11 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_NJOBFQR2QL8000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, billwalker@baymoon.com Subject: RE: RE: New loop tool, sort of.. X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 20:50:13 +0000 (UTC) --------------Boundary-00=_NJOBFQR2QL8000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A piano has many areas where sound resonates. I can think of 7 -8 poi= nts where mic's are commonly placed for recording. About the only place I hav= e not mic'ed a piano is the keyboard and behind the wood lid. =0D =0D Sony=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: billwalker@baymoon.com=0D Date: 11/21/05 11:50:03=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: RE: RE: New loop tool, sort of..=0D =0D OK Mister contrary, Explain yourself. :-) A one sentence rebutle ain't go= nna=0D cut it.LOL I feel that a piano is more like a a surround sound or a multi= =0D speaker array, not two speaker sources spread apart. Your thoughts?=0D Bill=0D =0D =0D -----Original Message-----=0D From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk]=0D Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:18 AM=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: Re:RE: New loop tool, sort of..=0D =0D =0D =0D >I mean a grand piano is not in and of its self=0D >stereo, is it?=0D =0D Yes, it is. :-)=0D =0D andy butler=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_NJOBFQR2QL8000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
        A piano has many areas where sound resonates. I c= an think of 7 -8 points where mic's are commonly placed for recording. Ab= out the only place I have not mic'ed a piano is the keyboard and behind t= he wood lid.
     
    Sony
     
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    Date: 11/21/05 11:= 50:03
    Subject: RE: RE: N= ew loop tool, sort of..
     
    OK Mister contrary, Explain yourself. :-) A one sentence rebutle ain= 't gonna
    cut it.LOL I feel that a piano is more like a a surround sound or a = multi
    speaker array, not two speaker sources spread apart. Your thoughts?<= /DIV>
    Bill
     
     
    -----Original Message-----
    Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 9:18 AM
    Subject: Re:RE: New loop tool, sort of..
     
     
     
    >I mean a grand piano is not in and of its self
    >stereo, is it?
     
    Yes, it is.   :-)
     
    andy butler
     
     
     
     
     
     
    --------------Boundary-00=_NJOBFQR2QL8000000000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 21 22:11:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6403F3BEFB; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 22:11:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Nu6Um0GmlcTHBVCg0dNxEC0Iurf9x0IaSeDmuIXrHo15HjFLrO0zIPJYvYo0RcYXnouqS/64CkOjkW9lSpUA+s65Xc+/d+ndh9tKZaJcWh4ce7tgkhO92iO7CiXfqCbI2GzI9CH06b14X120I46jw0hq+yUMk9j1YLWbdfndX+4= ; Message-ID: <20051121221104.14542.qmail@web81311.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:11:04 -0800 (PST) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: World instruments samples? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2ab9fc770511210806p4a06756fu5c8ad0a87955b3b3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 22:11:07 +0000 (UTC) Well, I've been doing some research... http://www.soundsonline.com/sophtml/details.phtml?sku=BS-392 or if you've got a LOT of cash http://www.soundsonline.com/sophtml/details.phtml?sku=EW-163 Seem to be the best comprehensive ethinic collections out there. Nice enough sounding demos but I wish I knew someone who was using them. I like the idea that they're Kompakt instruments so not a lot of work has to go into making each patch. I like being able to select a gamelan patch and woop there it is all nice. I spend far too much time tweaking guitar tone to worry about sample wrangling. Before I go and drop $400 on a sample collection I think I'm just going to hold on to my ROM based E-MU XL-7 with it's World Collection add on... No extra CPU strain and now that I've figured out how to access and change add on ROM card patches from within Digital Performer it's just too easy and there's no latency. A bunch of pretty damn good sounds too and I think the ROM card cost me less than $100. so for now I'm going to abandon my quest for an ethnic sound collection... maybe pick up the Ethno 3 for christmas... we'll see. Mark --- Christopher Bell wrote: > It looks like we got the Indian stuff covered, but > any recommendations on > other areas? I'm particularly interested in gamelan > music and various other > asian stringed instruments -- just about any kind of > zither or banjo-type > instrument. I appreciate the advice here... > > On 11/17/05, hazard factor > wrote: > > > > Don't forget the excellent Darbuka, @ > > > > > http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/VirtualPercussionistDarbuka-main.html > > > > A very nice collection, indeed. > > > > Dave Eichenberger > > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 21 23:24:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 975863BF00; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:24:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: "member@ebay.com" From: "member@ebay.com" To: Subject: Message from eBay Member Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 01:24:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-Id: <20051121232415.3693E3BEF3@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1usEjD.A.zZE.gclgDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 23:24:16 +0000 (UTC)
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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 00:55:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E38D3BF0C; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 00:55:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <20051121232415.3693E3BEF3@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051121232415.3693E3BEF3@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: bruce tovsky Subject: Re: Message from eBay Member Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 19:55:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 00:55:38 +0000 (UTC) a particularly nasty form of phishing, and one i've never seen before. it emulates your ebay sign-in screen, so you unwittingly enter your user and password and voila, some kid in ukraine has your ebay info. whenever i get a message that purports to be from ebay i open a new browser window, type in the ebay url, sign in, go to "my ebay" and check "my messages." this saved my ass not too long ago, when someone actually did crack my account - most likely using a credit card number generator - and tried to open a new ebay account with that credit card info. luckily i caught it almost immediately and no money was lost. but i still had to cancel the card, change all my passwords, etc. - a major hassle and time-waster. be vigilant! do NOT EVER respond to a message to "validate, confirm, renew, or otherwise adjust" your ebay or paypal account info. and when you get these spoofs and phishes always forward them to spoof@ebay.com or spoof@paypal.com. cheers bruce bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Douglas Adams From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 02:27:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4FB43BEF6; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 02:27:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002c01c5ef0c$439b1490$5aa3eb44@BlackDell> From: "Paul" To: References: <20051121232415.3693E3BEF3@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Message from eBay Member Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 21:27:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 02:27:22 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, the son of a bitch asked me in a bogus email (like a question from an interested purchaser) what my BUY-IT-NOW price was for a current item I'm selling on eBay. It was a pretty good con. Regards, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "bruce tovsky" To: Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 7:55 PM Subject: Re: Message from eBay Member >a particularly nasty form of phishing, and one i've never seen > before. it emulates your ebay sign-in screen, so you unwittingly > enter your user and password and voila, some kid in ukraine > has your ebay info. whenever i get a message that purports to > be from ebay i open a new browser window, type in the ebay > url, sign in, go to "my ebay" and check "my messages." this saved > my ass not too long ago, when someone actually did crack my > account - most likely using a credit card number generator - and > tried to open a new ebay account with that credit card info. luckily > i caught it almost immediately and no money was lost. but i still > had to cancel the card, change all my passwords, etc. - a major > hassle and time-waster. be vigilant! do NOT EVER respond to a > message to "validate, confirm, renew, or otherwise adjust" your > ebay or paypal account info. and when you get these spoofs and > phishes always forward them to spoof@ebay.com or > spoof@paypal.com. > cheers > bruce > > bruce tovsky > www.skeletonhome.com > > "Flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." > Douglas Adams > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 03:44:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 385533BEE9; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 03:44:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=f2g4FZHA7GZIi53wESysQzpM1V3MKFcQxJ+o90Ls4c6Doms/R/cZdtabJOS5FKBq5kYpBwJ+KsYvDT5OlFymoo7vTWxmHc/jWBGi7JgQllY0+mmMSego3xeMoYnq3plxk5YCxRU1WiQzhJFgquPcwGORxLFjQfqTfduxPH4L7so= ; Message-ID: <20051122034417.77902.qmail@web32515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 19:44:17 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Making time (was RE: Time travel) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051121183428.74715.qmail@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-805840567-1132631057=:61828" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 03:44:20 +0000 (UTC) --0-805840567-1132631057=:61828 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit wasnt that "just do it "ad a joke at the expense of the heavens gate cult? stillll laughing at that one.... so many loops...so little time... scary visionary. mark sottilaro wrote: I'll check out the book for sure (when I finish the cyberpunk "VURT" I'm reading now) But towards more serious conversation OT, it took me about 35 years to find out that the world is full of things that don't want you to loop... or play music of any kind and only one way to "Just do it" (and by that Nike means go to the local Footlocker and buy their products). Get yourself some sort of PDA (my simple Nokie phone has a good enough calander app with an alarm) and PUT IT IN YOUR SCHEDULE. If something else comes up that's invading your loop time ask yourself "does this mean more to me than looping?" or "can this wait until another time?" and you'll find that you'll play a lot more. It's hard though. Takes descipline. That beeping phone does help though. Mark --- Scott M2 wrote: > The time travel is handled elegantly and it's also > a very powerful romance. (Not trying to scare anyone > off.) > > Cheers, > Scott M2 > > http://www.dreamSTATE.to > ambientelectronicsoundscapes > http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com > > > > Time warping - good idea, possibly in a later > version :-) > > > > By the way - on the subject of time travel - I'm > currently > > reading "The Time > > Traveler's Wife". I highly recommend it. The > premise is that > > there's this > > guy who uncontrollably, spontaneously, time > travels to points > > +/- 50 years > > from his present, mostly into his past, and keeps > visiting > > mostly his wife > > and sometimes his past self. So he first meets his > wife (or, > > I should rather > > say, his wife first meets him) when he's 40 and > she's 6, although he's > > "really" 8 years older than her. Sometimes, as in > that > > scenario, he has > > knowledge of her future that she doesn't have, and > other > > times, like when > > she's 20 and he's 28 (realtime), she has knowledge > of *his* > > future (she > > knows the 40-year old already). It's a unique, > subtle and interesting > > variant on a fascinating but often tired theme. > > > > Best wishes, > > Warren Sirota > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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    wasnt that "just do it "ad a joke at the expense of the heavens gate cult?
    stillll laughing at that one....
    so many loops...so little time...
    scary visionary.  

    mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
    I'll check out the book for sure (when I finish the
    cyberpunk "VURT" I'm reading now)

    But towards more serious conversation OT, it took me
    about 35 years to find out that the world is full of
    things that don't want you to loop... or play music of
    any kind and only one way to "Just do it" (and by that
    Nike means go to the local Footlocker and buy their
    products).

    Get yourself some sort of PDA (my simple Nokie phone
    has a good enough calander app with an alarm) and PUT
    IT IN YOUR SCHEDULE. If something else comes up
    that's invading your loop time ask yourself "does this
    mean more to me than looping?" or "can this wait until
    another time?" and you'll find that you'll play a lot
    more.

    It's hard though. Takes descipline. That beeping
    phone does help though.

    Mark

    --- Scott M2 wrote:

    > The time travel is handled elegantly and it's also
    > a very powerful romance. (Not trying to scare anyone
    > off.)
    >
    > Cheers,
    > Scott M2
    >
    > http://www.dreamSTATE.to
    > ambientelectronicsoundscapes
    > http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com
    >
    >
    > > Time warping - good idea, possibly in a later
    > version :-)
    > >
    > > By the way - on the subject of time travel - I'm
    > currently
    > > reading "The Time
    > > Traveler's Wife". I highly recommend it. The
    > premise is that
    > > there's this
    > > guy who uncontrollably, spontaneously, time
    > travels to points
    > > +/- 50 years
    > > from his present, mostly into his past, and keeps
    > visiting
    > > mostly his wife
    > > and sometimes his past self. So he first meets his
    > wife (or,
    > > I should rather
    > > say, his wife first meets him) when he's 40 and
    > she's 6, although he's
    > > "really" 8 years older than her. Sometimes, as in
    > that
    > > scenario, he has
    > > knowledge of her future that she doesn't have, and
    > other
    > > times, like when
    > > she's 20 and he's 28 (realtime), she has knowledge
    > of *his*
    > > future (she
    > > knows the 40-year old already). It's a unique,
    > subtle and interesting
    > > variant on a fascinating but often tired theme.
    > >
    > > Best wishes,
    > > Warren Sirota
    >
    >





    __________________________________
    Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005
    http://mail.yahoo.com


    Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --0-805840567-1132631057=:61828-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 03:53:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6C3D3BEEC; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 03:53:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopersdelight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hce88UL67bmBZpjNaxW+o0IgM70FXJWgTz/APlwDdjfwEKGxn5Q4KGqwKcsn5XKUX40Bl5KUrcoNYZG8KwRfut6wC2tadYTZIUn6WPCs917zZUlj6I7vRD0/6rMih1mNIwWIo+MFMVmUrsUYo+7FDu909PhEseyZ5oDlXGuASSg= ; Message-ID: <20051122035323.90911.qmail@web32510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 19:53:23 -0800 (PST) From: daniel stevenson Subject: names for machines of looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopersdelight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-902007825-1132631603=:90876" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 03:53:24 +0000 (UTC) --0-902007825-1132631603=:90876 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit named that thing yet? mr.hyde's time machine.. audio stacker... music-clone... ill stop here as to avoid becoming redundant. p.s loop system device ....L S D good luck, scary. --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --0-902007825-1132631603=:90876 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    named that thing yet?
     
    mr.hyde's time machine..
     
    audio stacker...
     
    music-clone...
     
     
    ill stop here as to avoid becoming redundant.
     
    p.s  loop system device ....L S D
     
     
    good luck, scary.

    Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --0-902007825-1132631603=:90876-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 08:46:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CCCB3BEE8; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:46:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051122084105.02869eb0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:44:00 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: EDP RoundMode In-Reply-To: <20051121221107.CDDCA3BF0E@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051121221107.CDDCA3BF0E@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:46:28 +0000 (UTC) >Does anyone else use and like RoundMode = on ? Yes, all the time. (In any case the functionality is needed for MultiIncrease) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 08:51:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B819C3BEDE; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:51:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CAA5pgkOCKYNmAQ Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051122084737.027e8510@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:48:46 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:RE: RE: New loop tool, sort of.. In-Reply-To: <20051121221107.CDDCA3BF0E@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051121221107.CDDCA3BF0E@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 08:51:12 +0000 (UTC) >A one sentence rebutle ain't gonna >cut it. No? andy rbutle From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 09:19:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD6A03BEE9; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:19:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051122090458.028318a0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:14:53 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: RE: RE: New loop tool, sort of.. In-Reply-To: <20051121221107.CDDCA3BF0E@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051121221107.CDDCA3BF0E@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <6gxgVC.A.EZF.fKugDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:19:27 +0000 (UTC) >LOL I feel that a piano is more like a a surround sound or a multi >speaker array, not two speaker sources spread apart. Your thoughts? >Bill If you put a stereo speaker set up at piano height I bet that's as close as you're going to get, as long as you're positioned in the sweet spot. ..but essentially I misunderstood your comment and thought you were saying the piano might as well be in mono. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 09:55:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5834B3BEFC; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:55:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004201c5ef4a$7d3d12a0$239efe91@inap> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: Cc: , Subject: Analog album out! Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:46:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C5EF51.EF220220" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:55:24 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C5EF51.EF220220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi folks, sorry for that shameless plug (once again) but I thought you would like = to know that our new ramp album "oughtibridge" is finally available. = It=B4s a live recording of a concert we performed at the Jodrell Bank = Radio Observatory in June 2001, taken straight from the desk (no = ambience recording). Loads of analog stuff on it, like ARP 2600, Mini = Moog, Roland Jupiter-8, Korg PE-2000, Yamaha YC-30, Moog Prodigy, = Waldorf Microwave and Pulses, Novation Bass Sation, Rhodes Piano, EKO = Compute Rhythm, Roland TR-808, ARP Sequencers, Roland RE-301 Chorus = Echo, Mutron Biphase, various EH stompboxes... you name it. Also, = various loopers like Lexicon Jamman and Oberheim EDP were used. There = used to be a review of our gig on AH, written by Norman Fay, a long time = ago (search the archives from June 23, 2001 onwards). He claimed it was = the most on-topic concert he had seen in a long while. If you have any = further questions, please get back to me privately or check our website = mentioned in the signature line below. Audio will be uploaded soon on = doombient.com. This message was cross-posted, sorry for bothering you twice (or even = more times). Thanks for reading, Stephen. "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith) "Hoellenengel", new album by Stephen Parsick. Street date: October 01, = 2005. For info and audio, please check www.parsick.com Coming soon: "Oughtibridge", the new [=B4ramp] album, recorded live in = England. For info and audio, please visit the official [=B4ramp] website at = www.doombient.com [WTB]: "England=B4s Hidden Reverse" by David Keenan (Coil, Current93, = Nurse With Wound, David Tibet). ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C5EF51.EF220220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Hi folks,
     
    sorry for that shameless plug (once again) but I = thought=20 you would like to know that our new ramp album "oughtibridge" is finally = available. It=B4s a live recording of a concert we performed at the = Jodrell Bank=20 Radio Observatory in June 2001, taken straight from the desk (no = ambience=20 recording). Loads of analog stuff on it, like ARP 2600, Mini Moog, = Roland=20 Jupiter-8, Korg PE-2000, Yamaha YC-30, Moog Prodigy, Waldorf Microwave = and=20 Pulses, Novation Bass Sation, Rhodes Piano, EKO Compute Rhythm, Roland = TR-808,=20 ARP Sequencers, Roland RE-301 Chorus Echo, Mutron Biphase, various EH=20 stompboxes... you name it. Also, various loopers like Lexicon Jamman and = Oberheim EDP were used. There used to be a review of our gig on AH, = written by=20 Norman Fay, a long time ago (search the archives from June 23, 2001 = onwards). He=20 claimed it was the most on-topic concert he had seen in a long while. If = you=20 have any further questions, please get back to me privately or check our = website=20 mentioned in the signature line below. Audio will be uploaded soon on=20 doombient.com.
     
    This message was cross-posted, sorry for = bothering you=20 twice (or even more times).
     
    Thanks for reading,
     
    Stephen.
     
     
    "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this = planet,=20 you=B4re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith)
     
    "Hoellenengel", new album by Stephen Parsick. = Street date:=20 October 01, 2005.
     
    For info and audio, please check www.parsick.com
     
    Coming soon: "Oughtibridge", the new [=B4ramp] = album,=20 recorded live in England.
     
    For info and audio, please visit the official = [=B4ramp]=20 website at www.doombient.com
     

    [WTB]: "England=B4s Hidden Reverse" by David = Keenan=20 (Coil, Current93, Nurse With Wound, David Tibet).
     
     
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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 15:17:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD9F53BEDB; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:17:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=tlQiLRAXrOp6C2syZ4APWsUIBeQ4sM1H0rfnIDXarBEdF3Z00Zvjaau8tjhm+FtsygR7fMqT2aMrLzUhxfp178M6pG4Zu5P/3U2/N0l9SBYvSSiKpDZE88/O99PMj0abeosoCC7c1a7ylN6HcS6QTl5/cl2ywFCg03CIM5+Srn4= Message-ID: <2ab9fc770511220717g64eed2a8k6a205924f69b8f40@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:17:56 -0500 From: Christopher Bell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: RE: New loop tool, sort of.. In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20051122090458.028318a0@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_16807_31278175.1132672676955" References: <20051121221107.CDDCA3BF0E@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051122090458.028318a0@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:17:59 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_16807_31278175.1132672676955 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline >I mean a grand piano is not in and of its self >stereo, is it? This bring sup an interesting point, which is that stereo is an entirely artificial construction. Not that I can use that statement to further the conversation but it's sort of interesting to be reminded of that sometimes. ------=_Part_16807_31278175.1132672676955 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
    >I mean a grand piano is not in and of its = self
    >stereo, is it?
     
    This bring sup an interesting point, which is = that stereo is an entirely artificial construction. Not that I can use that= statement to further the conversation but it's sort of interesting to be r= eminded of that sometimes.
    ------=_Part_16807_31278175.1132672676955-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 15:59:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6630E3BEDB; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:59:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: Rachel Goulding To: "'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com'" Subject: RE: RE: RE: New loop tool, sort of.. Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:00:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5EF7D.E53C1E40" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Nov 2005 15:56:01.0550 (UTC) FILETIME=[3C892AE0:01C5EF7D] X-Scanned-By: MailControl A-05-40-01 (www.mailcontrol.com) on 10.67.0.115 Resent-Message-ID: <2eqhuD.A.xJH.tB0gDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:59:41 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5EF7D.E53C1E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" fishes dont have ears but they have two hearing systems one is the line that runs down their body (linear line) it picks up frequecys (wonder what is sounds like) anyway does that mean everything is surround sound to them? does stereo output only aplly to something after amplification? is that what were trying to establish? a sound only has one source granted the cabinet affects it acoustically. but it cant be stereo or surround sound it just is until its been picked up and fed back. technically everything is stereo if you have left and right ears tho maybe? its cool to be reminded : ) -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Bell [mailto:cwwbell@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:18 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: RE: New loop tool, sort of.. >I mean a grand piano is not in and of its self >stereo, is it? This bring sup an interesting point, which is that stereo is an entirely artificial construction. Not that I can use that statement to further the conversation but it's sort of interesting to be reminded of that sometimes. Connaught honoured AIM 'Decade of Excellence' Award Connaught awarded Partnering Contractor of the Year 2005 Connaught wins AIM 'Company of the Year' award 2004 West of England Business of the Year Award Winner 2003 Why not visit our website http://www.connaught.plc.uk Disclaimer: The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete this message. Connaught plc, Head Office 01392 444546 The presence of this footer indicates that this message has been scanned for viruses by Network Associates Group Shield ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5EF7D.E53C1E40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    fishes=20 dont have ears but they have two hearing systems one is the line that = runs down=20 their body (linear line) it picks up frequecys (wonder what is sounds = like)=20 anyway does that mean everything is surround sound to = them?
     
    does stereo output only aplly to something after = amplification? is that what were trying to establish? a = sound only=20 has one source granted the cabinet affects it acoustically. but it = cant be=20 stereo or surround sound it just is until its been picked up and fed=20 back.
     
    technically everything is = stereo if you=20 have left and right ears tho = maybe?
     
    its cool to be reminded :=20 )
     
     
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    >stereo, is it?
     
    This bring sup an interesting point, which = is that=20 stereo is an entirely artificial construction. Not that I can use = that=20 statement to further the conversation but it's sort of interesting to = be=20 reminded of that sometimes.


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    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5EF7D.E53C1E40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 16:23:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 044203BEDD; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:23:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ZatoRWXwYBbqpuC58Dr8gVHrR/8ekKn65QsWyPr0MsYCx+3Wssg0nV5kP3b+kYNwNAm3L/YuxVhhMBFDWH3l6XlOSD3/PORY4O/HtQDtg+C+xT9diYHqo4+THFrWQUqg0EePatqbHj4t9T11G6pzluGOVaIa2WfSmy8B7Wuc9ms= Message-ID: <2ab9fc770511220823r8695f45hf8736f61ae74b701@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:23:00 -0500 From: Christopher Bell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: RE: New loop tool, sort of.. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_17420_584993.1132676580952" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:23:02 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_17420_584993.1132676580952 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Yes, the lateral line is fascinating. I don't think it relates totally to what we identify as hearing -- it is also used by fish to track prey, so it feels things to some extent, maybe like our skin experiences vibrations. Bu= t I am not speaking from much authority here. If a large mouth bass had the brain of a human to process what it was taking in, it would probably experience music pretty intensely. On 11/22/05, Rachel Goulding wrote: > > fishes dont have ears but they have two hearing systems one is the line > that runs down their body (linear line) it picks up frequecys (wonder wha= t > is sounds like) anyway does that mean everything is surround sound to the= m? > does stereo output only aplly to something after amplification? is that > what were trying to establish? a sound only has one source granted the > cabinet affects it acoustically. but it cant be stereo or surround sound = it > just is until its been picked up and fed back. > technically everything is stereo if you have left and right ears tho > maybe? > its cool to be reminded : ) > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Christopher Bell [mailto:cwwbell@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 22, 2005 3:18 PM > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* Re: RE: RE: New loop tool, sort of.. > > >I mean a grand piano is not in and of its self > >stereo, is it? > This bring sup an interesting point, which is that stereo is an entirely > artificial construction. Not that I can use that statement to further the > conversation but it's sort of interesting to be reminded of that sometime= s. > > > > *Connaught honoured AIM 'Decade of Excellence' Award * > > *Connaught awarded Partnering Contractor of the Year 2005 * > > *Connaught wins AIM 'Company of the Year' award 2004 * > > *West of England Business of the Year Award Winner 2003* > > Why not visit our website http://www.connaught.plc.uk > > Disclaimer: > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged > material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or > taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete this message. > > Connaught plc, Head Office 01392 444546 > > The presence of this footer indicates that this message has been scanned > for viruses by Network Associates Group Shield > ------=_Part_17420_584993.1132676580952 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Yes, the lateral line is fascinating. I don't think it relates totally to w= hat we identify as hearing -- it is also used by fish to track prey, s= o it feels things to some extent, maybe like our skin experiences vibration= s. But I am not speaking from much authority here. If a large mouth ba= ss had the brain of a human to process what it was taking in, it would prob= ably experience music pretty intensely.

    On 11/22/05, Rachel Goulding <rachel.goulding@connaught.plc.uk> wrote:
    fishes dont ha= ve ears but they have two hearing systems one is the line that runs down th= eir body (linear line) it picks up frequecys (wonder what is sounds like) a= nyway does that mean everything is surround sound to them?
    =  
    do= es stereo output only aplly to something after amplification? is that= what were trying to establish? a sound only has one source granted the cab= inet affects it acoustically. but it cant be stereo or surround sound = it just is until its been picked up and fed back.
     
    technically everything is stereo if you have left and right ears tho ma= ybe?
     
    its cool to be reminded : )
     
     
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    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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    >I mean a grand piano is not in and of its = self
    >stereo, is it?
     
    This bring sup an interesting point, which is = that stereo is an entirely artificial construction. Not that I can use that= statement to further the conversation but it's sort of interesting to be r= eminded of that sometimes.=20


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    ------=_Part_17420_584993.1132676580952-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 17:33:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26EF43BEC7; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:33:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:38:11 -0800 Subject: my myspace loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Scott Drengsen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <2ab9fc770511220823r8695f45hf8736f61ae74b701@mail.gmail.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:33:36 +0000 (UTC) I finally got some audio up at myspace. It's all live looped solo bass.The last has some lovely vocals and my 12 string fretless. http://www.myspace.com/scottkunghadrengsen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 17:37:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98F4F3BEE2; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:37:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:42:26 -0800 Subject: Re: my myspace loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Scott Drengsen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <586F1F22-5B7F-11DA-ADE8-00050263BC96@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:37:35 +0000 (UTC) OOOPS http://www.myspace.com/scottKunghadrengsen On Tuesday, November 22, 2005, at 09:38 AM, Scott Drengsen wrote: > I finally got some audio up at myspace. It's all live looped solo > bass.The last has some lovely vocals and my 12 string fretless. > http://www.myspace.com/scottkunghadrengsen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 18:20:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 108393BEE1; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:20:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=olbTM0EsiKUWiPHiCy+/qdQJUHh6JZjrdnThHhgBdNM0cQQONtr9UOWO5rNQiV1TeMdfuEwUOq3bcIOK0Yi5OQnf1HomkzAZs6g5T10NY8lMqlbBpt4Ki9QF+15opM3mZRSXL5K3dSIiEybmKU+2cLqxzPSEGCspbGZh51HRn5E= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:20:51 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: my myspace loops In-Reply-To: <586F1F22-5B7F-11DA-ADE8-00050263BC96@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <586F1F22-5B7F-11DA-ADE8-00050263BC96@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:20:52 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, I'm getting an error from that second link. TH On 11/22/05, Scott Drengsen wrote: > OOOPS > http://www.myspace.com/scottKunghadrengsen > On Tuesday, November 22, 2005, at 09:38 AM, Scott Drengsen wrote: > > > I finally got some audio up at myspace. It's all live looped solo > > bass.The last has some lovely vocals and my 12 string fretless. > > http://www.myspace.com/scottkunghadrengsen > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 18:22:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD1FE3BEF3; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:22:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:22:22 -0700 Message-Id: <200511221822.jAMIMM401825@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: my myspace loops X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.19.156 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:22:11 +0000 (UTC) I got through on the first link no problem. Kevin > Yeah, I'm getting an error from that second link. > > TH > > On 11/22/05, Scott Drengsen wrote: > > OOOPS > > http://www.myspace.com/scottKunghadrengsen > > On Tuesday, November 22, 2005, at 09:38 AM, Scott Drengsen wrote: > > > > > I finally got some audio up at myspace. It's all live looped solo > > > bass.The last has some lovely vocals and my 12 string fretless. > > > http://www.myspace.com/scottkunghadrengsen > > > > > > > > > How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 18:39:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9410A3BEF7; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:39:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43836679.3060909@Hevanet.com> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:42:01 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP preset secret??? References: <003201c5dc70$f703b3b0$5a01a8c0@mark> <6.1.2.0.2.20051029124541.04a56740@loopers-delight.com> In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051029124541.04a56740@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3p1-qD.A.OYD.7X2gDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:39:55 +0000 (UTC) Got any general warm/fuzzy tips on getting into the whole Preset trip? I'm looking at the manual (starting on p. 240). "Reset" is just when EDP is ready, free of any recorded loops, right? This sounds like a super-cool way to try new functionality (and, be able to get back where you once belonged!). OK, hope you aren't getting fed up with my novice questions (and, yes, I can easily remain a novice for years...!): David "tip-tripper" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 18:55:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E66963BEFA; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:55:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.93.77.66] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ekstasis1@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <2ab9fc770511220823r8695f45hf8736f61ae74b701@mail.gmail.com> From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New loop tool, sort of..stereo Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:55:34 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Nov 2005 18:55:35.0268 (UTC) FILETIME=[522C1240:01C5EF96] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:55:37 +0000 (UTC) If memory serves (and I am certain there is someone on this list who will illustrate to me just where memory does not serve), our hearing is not stereo, but rather binaural. The diffrence being more than merely semantic as binaural does not "limit" things to merely a R/L mix, rather encompassing, like our own hearing, a full 360o sound field. The funny thing about sound is that it is not defined by its source, but rather by its target....hence that old riddle involving a tree which falls in the forest... Even a mono sound can be "heard" in stereo (or to be more correct, "binaurally"). And, I supopose next should come a call out for a "true binaural looper"! "Stereophonic Sound", as it used to be called, is actually a somewhat limited, and feeble, attempt to emulate (or even model?) the natural binaural hearing traits. Stereo is more a mental state than a physical state of "hearing". Even people who have lost hearing in one ear (and perhaps David Torn and Marcus Miller can attest to this) are still able to "hear" in stereo. And, while stereo does create an interesting and enhanced (albeit artificial) listening field, many people actually still prefer to listen in mono where timning, frequency and phase issues are not clouded or masked by the stereo image (how do you check your mixes?) Max From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 19:00:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A1BE3BEE2; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:00:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1EwQGC09e8GYQhbg4RObonl38OgphiAb5F2A2Hm6NHfnyxqNdopBFDs/kOsxhGmWqsvrlGdmZy6f8nztZxGMPaxN6a5gbuOzkPd2y6JLilhpQbM8oa9JksKPG6I8FsRu8bBJ2hub4XgwBL61ODax+aK2zWdV1qkQneENvpOrtfU= ; Message-ID: <20051122190047.25373.qmail@web86804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:00:47 +0100 (CET) From: obadia Subject: Signal routing question (& Soundcraft Compakt4) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <43836679.3060909@Hevanet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:00:50 +0000 (UTC) hello, i'm a bit confused on how to route my signal thru a mixing table and which kind of mixing table i need. maybe some of you can help me. let me explain: 2 stereo instruments go in the mixing table, this signal must then go into my soundcard. the soundcard output should then go back into the mixer because i want to mix the loops made in my laptop with a 3rd instrument (which i would like to monitor thru headphones before i send it to the engineer). but this 3rd instrument shouldn't go into the soundcard. i'm thinking about purchasing a Soundcraft Compakt4. it's cheap, light & small, but most of all it seems to have good monitoring/pre-listening features. but i'm not sure it will be possible to have a signal going from the Compact4 to the soundcard, let it come back thru the Compact4 again and then still be able to mix it with another instrument. is it? what's the technical term for what i'm looking for? thank you for any help! Stéphane ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 19:11:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DADEC3BEF7; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:11:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UAL27idB7UoXw2Rr82DhaQSBuisVZgBgeoj0wZqJDUdigrig12DylOxZ9pYMz8UaX3l1jAGZIWuUrUm3Ex2m5HsYvE0lgvfqi0msNkZlaI5cTgZMvRxgOPbNL4GPGptQUuiIAw1ySIbENDN9gmknT5EQuM+Xdd0ZHDiRJOiKoWY= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:11:31 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Signal routing question (& Soundcraft Compakt4) In-Reply-To: <20051122190047.25373.qmail@web86804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <43836679.3060909@Hevanet.com> <20051122190047.25373.qmail@web86804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:11:32 +0000 (UTC) It sounds sort of complicated--you've got two instruments being fed into a laptop, and then you want to mix the results with a third instrument and send that somewhere else. Do you want any of the first two instruments pre-looped signal sent to the engineer? ((Ch1 & Ch2-->stereo send-->soundcard-->stereo return) + Ch3)-->engineer If you want non of the prelooped audio from Ch1 and Ch2 to be sent to the engineer you'd want to mute the output of those two channels and use a pre-fader send for the soundcard, and probably return the soundcard to a stereo Ch4 and then send Ch3 and Ch4 to the engineer. To monitor the Ch3 instrument without sending it to the sound card, you need a stereo effects loop for the looped audio, and then a separate set of outs (a routeable headphone mix, or a second stereo send which could be routed to an external headphone amp). I'm not sure if you'll be able to find a very small mixer that allows all this in one box. TravisH On 11/22/05, obadia wrote: > hello, > i'm a bit confused on how to route my signal thru a > mixing table and which kind of mixing table i need. > maybe some of you can help me. let me explain: > > 2 stereo instruments go in the mixing table, this > signal must then go into my soundcard. > the soundcard output should then go back into the > mixer because i want to mix the loops made in my > laptop with a 3rd instrument (which i would like to > monitor thru headphones before i send it to the > engineer). but this 3rd instrument shouldn't go into > the soundcard. > > i'm thinking about purchasing a Soundcraft Compakt4. > it's cheap, light & small, but most of all it seems to > have good monitoring/pre-listening features. > but i'm not sure it will be possible to have a signal > going from the Compact4 to the soundcard, let it come > back thru the Compact4 again and then still be able to > mix it with another instrument. > is it? > what's the technical term for what i'm looking for? > > thank you for any help! > > St=E9phane > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________= __ > Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenge= r > T=E9l=E9chargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 19:57:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7D523BED9; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:57:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:57:12 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: names for machines of looping In-reply-to: <20051122035323.90911.qmail@web32510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001801c5ef9e$edf0ce20$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_spIJ3fNiBS+RRyTht918RQ)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:57:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_spIJ3fNiBS+RRyTht918RQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT funny. thanks. So far, I think I like D'Loop the best. What do you think? Best wishes, Warren Sirota -----Original Message----- From: daniel stevenson [mailto:stillllscary@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 10:53 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopersdelight.com Subject: names for machines of looping named that thing yet? mr.hyde's time machine.. audio stacker... music-clone... ill stop here as to avoid becoming redundant. p.s loop system device ....L S D good luck, scary. _____ Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --Boundary_(ID_spIJ3fNiBS+RRyTht918RQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message
    funny. thanks.
     
    So far, I think I like D'Loop the best. What do you think?
     
     
    Best wishes,
    Warren Sirota
    -----Original Message-----
    From: daniel stevenson [mailto:stillllscary@yahoo.com]
    Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 10:53 PM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopersdelight.com
    Subject: names for machines of looping

    named that thing yet?
     
    mr.hyde's time machine..
     
    audio stacker...
     
    music-clone...
     
     
    ill stop here as to avoid becoming redundant.
     
    p.s  loop system device ....L S D
     
     
    good luck, scary.

    Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.
    --Boundary_(ID_spIJ3fNiBS+RRyTht918RQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 20:06:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CC503BED3; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:06:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20051122150653.4ahlcwzcw0sg8kg4@www.wightman.ca> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:06:53 -0500 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: names for machines of looping References: <001801c5ef9e$edf0ce20$0202a8c0@Lightning> In-Reply-To: <001801c5ef9e$edf0ce20$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.clifford X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-29.5 required=8.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME=0.5, RCVD_IP_216_110_224=-30 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 Resent-Message-ID: <4uQdJB.A._IG.jp3gDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:06:59 +0000 (UTC) d'loop sounds sort of hip-hop or dj like, I suppose there's a larger market among those styles. When I think of the sort of ambient spacey sounds that I associate with looping my vote would be for loop system device ....L S D Paul Ontario, Canada Quoting Warren Sirota : > funny. thanks. > > So far, I think I like D'Loop the best. What do you think? > > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > > -----Original Message----- > From: daniel stevenson [mailto:stillllscary@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 10:53 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopersdelight.com > Subject: names for machines of looping > > > named that thing yet? > > mr.hyde's time machine.. > > audio stacker... > > music-clone... > > > ill stop here as to avoid becoming redundant. > > p.s loop system device ....L S D > > > good luck, scary. > > > > _____ > > Yahoo! > kEcG9zAzEEc2VjA21haWwtZm9vdGVyBHNsawNmYw--/SIG=110oav78o/**http%3a//farechas > e.yahoo.com/> FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 20:07:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 650713BEE0; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:07:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009f01c5efa0$5d33aa40$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <2ab9fc770511210806p4a06756fu5c8ad0a87955b3b3@mail.gmail.com> Subject: New Toys! Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:59:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009C_01C5EF75.52BE6A30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:07:04 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009C_01C5EF75.52BE6A30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick W. said I should post these so here goes... I got some new ModFX toys (thanks again to Rick for pointing me to = Musicians Friends big sale!) and after re-arranging the studio, I = produced these two improvs. 1. RazorWire Necklace. A D50 and a Korg M3R run through, um, = everything. If anybody needs to know what 'everything' is, I can post = it. URL- http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/RazorWire Necklace.mp3 (you may have to cut and paste that link, since it's got a space in it) 2. Pulse. An Alesis SR16 drum machine through everything again. The = only sound generator is the SR16. Everything else is manipulation of = the toys. URL : http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/Pulse.mp3 Enjoy, Tony ------=_NextPart_000_009C_01C5EF75.52BE6A30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Rick W. said I should post these so = here=20 goes...
     
    I got some new ModFX toys (thanks again = to Rick for=20 pointing me to Musicians Friends big sale!) and after re-arranging = the=20 studio, I produced these two improvs.
     
    1. RazorWire Necklace.   A = D50 and a Korg=20 M3R run through, um, everything.  If anybody needs to know what=20 'everything' is, I can post it.
    URL- http://www.thingina= jar.com/bigtony/RazorWire=20 Necklace.mp3
    (you may have to cut and paste that = link, since=20 it's got a space in it)
     
    2. Pulse.  An Alesis SR16 drum = machine through=20 everything again.  The only sound generator is the SR16.  = Everything=20 else is manipulation of the toys.
    URL : http://www.thingina= jar.com/bigtony/Pulse.mp3
     
    Enjoy,
    Tony
    ------=_NextPart_000_009C_01C5EF75.52BE6A30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 21:49:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 851C33BED8; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:49:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <013701c5efae$7bc7b240$6602a8c0@raem50> From: To: References: <2ab9fc770511210806p4a06756fu5c8ad0a87955b3b3@mail.gmail.com> <009f01c5efa0$5d33aa40$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> Subject: Plea for help with Elotronnix! Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 13:47:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_012D_01C5EF6B.58955D10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:49:38 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_012D_01C5EF6B.58955D10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Plea for help! I have Adobe Audition, which accepts VST plugins, and I found = Elotronnix, which is way too cool, but I can't seem to get the = Elotronnix plugin to work correctly. I can record a track live on = Audition, with Elotronnix engaged, but it doesn't repeat anything. With = no change in settings I hit "STOP" and "PLAY" and the phrase I just = recorded is piped through the Elotronnix plug-in and makes the most = lovely ambient sound - but I can't control the timing and play along = with what I've already laid down. Can someone help me? I'm afraid the = PDF that came along with Elotronnix didn't help. I think it's Audition = that I need to tweek, but I can't figure it out. Thanks! LOOPING FOREVER ... Reid ------=_NextPart_000_012D_01C5EF6B.58955D10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Plea for help!
     
    I have Adobe Audition, which accepts VST plugins, = and I found=20 Elotronnix, which is way too cool, but I can't seem to get the = Elotronnix plugin=20 to work correctly.  I can record a track live on Audition, with = Elotronnix=20 engaged, but it doesn't repeat anything.  With no change in = settings I hit=20 "STOP" and "PLAY" and the phrase I just recorded is piped through the = Elotronnix=20 plug-in and makes the most lovely ambient sound - but I can't control = the timing=20 and play along with what I've already laid down.  Can someone help=20 me?  I'm afraid the PDF that came along with Elotronnix didn't = help. =20 I think it's Audition that I need to tweek, but I can't figure it=20 out.
     
    Thanks!
     
    LOOPING FOREVER ...
     
    Reid
     
    ------=_NextPart_000_012D_01C5EF6B.58955D10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 22 22:54:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48DD63BEDC; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:54:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: RE: RE: New loop tool, sort of.. Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:54:08 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20051122084737.027e8510@tiscali.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 22:54:09 +0000 (UTC) ok -----Original Message----- From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 12:49 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:RE: RE: New loop tool, sort of.. >A one sentence rebutle ain't gonna >cut it. No? andy rbutle From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 23 01:38:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BDF73BECF; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:38:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FM4gU2WuehD4lPPK9UyrzgWSfq0I1BtHXIgTUFUfVbQu0wNxSu/teecv+7xrr9yu3OVj70xc/ITaNxQ1nMtxZJ0NWjEdCbfx7GF8lJdlzs/frpy8qzyY5/Bxx94E2FCm5gkDdD53YG1f3j1tTnGk+c0GRUrt3NrVvUrHNUFZFRM= ; Message-ID: <20051123013305.43877.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:33:04 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Behringer FCB1010 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0MKp2t-1EdKcM2lSG-0003ga@mrelay.perfora.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:38:23 +0000 (UTC) hey Dave, I do have the latest eprom version but not the new firmware,can i just dump it as a sysex into the fbc1010? Louie --- hazard factor wrote: > I just loaded up the unofficial firmware for the > Behringer FCB midi pedal > (available on the FCB Yahoo group) and it has this > way cool thing that can > be used with the EDP...the display on the FCB > changes briefly as you use the > expression pedals, which, syncs up perfectly to the > EDP's display when > changing feedback. I don't have to look over > anymore! > On the EDP, I always wished the input and output > knobs also changed the > display so I could have that input perfectly set- > its touchy! > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 23 06:24:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13F193BECF; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:24:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Qo6zHaSsR709CfmySskOU48U9Vcl0si7R3PWxDYnczBLPRf9XE6vDX+N5eES+KM1YQ0q4khc+/RJuP8hlA0XHh2XF2d4VHMbtZA5gHfX78dk99uIIVsGROjPcoTo8iP4ljDtBfGegKLm5XTJ/d/oCpYAdX/sYZWEFjsjJqf0MmA= Message-ID: <64b81a780511222224v416d7ca3m5c7333b89fd1290f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:24:54 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New loop tool, sort of..stereo In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <2ab9fc770511220823r8695f45hf8736f61ae74b701@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-EXABC.A.NWH.3sAhDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 06:24:55 +0000 (UTC) Good points Max. Lately I've been listening to a lot of music in headphones while out & about. Often I'll shuffle up tracks and what I find really jarring is suddenly coming upon a track mixed thirty years ago with a lot of hard panning. You know the sort...lead guitar in right channel, vocals in left, drums & bass in both. Whoever thought this was a good idea should be tied up in patch cables and beaten with a pair of headphones. Suddenly it sounds like my left ear has shorted out 'cuz there's no guitar there. Ugh. It's an exagerated, but perfect example of how we don't hear in stereo. I read an interesting article a couple of years back in Scientific American about a guy who was working on analyzing and modelling the way our ears locate sound. I recall there being a good description about the way in which the asymetrical shapes of our ears allow us to place sound in 360 degrees based on minute differences in timing, timbre, phase, etc between the sounds reaching each ear. Taking this information, some fancy math, and fast computers he was able to deliver a 360 degree sound field from just two speakers. Or he was trying at any rate. If I recall correctly, the system was real touchy regarding speaker and listener positioning. Can't help but wonder whether he ever succeeded. I'll see if I can't dig up more info on the article in case anyone is interested. Todd On 11/22/05, max valentino wrote: > > If memory serves (and I am certain there is someone on this list who will > illustrate to me just where memory does not serve), our hearing is not > stereo, but rather binaural. The diffrence being more than merely semant= ic > as binaural does not "limit" things to merely a R/L mix, rather > encompassing, like our own hearing, a full 360o sound field.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 23 08:40:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 291223BEDB; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 08:40:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <64b81a780511222224v416d7ca3m5c7333b89fd1290f@mail.gmail.com> References: <2ab9fc770511220823r8695f45hf8736f61ae74b701@mail.gmail.com> <64b81a780511222224v416d7ca3m5c7333b89fd1290f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <40A6C0EB-689E-4B56-B1C7-DD3BA648A517@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New loop tool, sort of..stereo Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 09:40:48 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 08:40:52 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 23, 2005, at 7:24, Todd Pafford wrote: > I read an interesting article a couple of years back in Scientific > American about a guy who was working on analyzing and modelling the > way our ears locate sound. I recall there being a good description > about the way in which the asymetrical shapes of our ears allow us to > place sound in 360 degrees based on minute differences in timing, > timbre, phase, etc between the sounds reaching each ear. Taking this > information, some fancy math, and fast computers he was able to > deliver a 360 degree sound field from just two speakers. Or he was > trying at any rate. If I recall correctly, the system was real touchy > regarding speaker and listener positioning. Can't help but wonder > whether he ever succeeded. He, or at least someone, obviously succeeded since such systems have been around for a while. I listened to the system developed by Roland many years ago (don't remember the name of it but it entered main publicity by being used on a Michael Jackson record) but I must say I did not hear much sound appear from outside the two speaker stereo range. Maybe my ears have the wrong kind of shape or I wasn't sitting at the sweet spot? The other day I also saw "surround headphones" at a computer store, but I guess that must be a hoax? Probably it means that these headphones does sum up the six surround channel outputs and play them back as a convenient two channel mix. Anyway, no one has yet come up with a sound system that also play sound from the directions below and above. Ahh... just remembered this gig a while back where we were playing at a dance club and the ceiling was stuffed with speakers. No particular direction in the sound, but it was way cool to perform on the floor "in a circle inside the audience" with sound coming all from above (as opposed from playing on a stage with stage monitoring system). The most "surround" going on there was actually the audience ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 23 08:51:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA6643BEDC; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 08:51:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Ft0oY1zBDiPGt7nF0IXWL8uVzLxjedrE+nBZsClXVGBrFbdRAi2aknRAYaAcMmvMBXUUlln1wuiNVbHCiOs1GXSQrW7nnL4CbR+gY7eq4xm849WfIwckpjqIeFypNV/W7VT0Q/Yt8UMxgnFPvEZw4e73jZ3Qzvgp27EyLKrO6iE= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 00:51:39 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New loop tool, sort of..stereo In-Reply-To: <40A6C0EB-689E-4B56-B1C7-DD3BA648A517@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <2ab9fc770511220823r8695f45hf8736f61ae74b701@mail.gmail.com> <64b81a780511222224v416d7ca3m5c7333b89fd1290f@mail.gmail.com> <40A6C0EB-689E-4B56-B1C7-DD3BA648A517@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 08:51:40 +0000 (UTC) There have been several "surround sound from only two speakers" processes over the years. You may be referring to the one called Q-Sound, which was also used on Madonna's Greatest Hits that came out around the same time as the Michael Jackson album. I think that one was optimized for headphones. There was also "Holophonics", which was used on Pink Floyd's "The Final Cut" and I think also a couple of Roger Waters solo albums. Regardless of how "natural" stereo is, the vast majority of listeners prefer multi-channel recordings over monophonic. And the "speakers in the ceiling" thing sounds potientially problematic if microphones are being used. TravisH On 11/23/05, Per Boysen wrote: > On Nov 23, 2005, at 7:24, Todd Pafford wrote: > > > I read an interesting article a couple of years back in Scientific > > American about a guy who was working on analyzing and modelling the > > way our ears locate sound. I recall there being a good description > > about the way in which the asymetrical shapes of our ears allow us to > > place sound in 360 degrees based on minute differences in timing, > > timbre, phase, etc between the sounds reaching each ear. Taking this > > information, some fancy math, and fast computers he was able to > > deliver a 360 degree sound field from just two speakers. Or he was > > trying at any rate. If I recall correctly, the system was real touchy > > regarding speaker and listener positioning. Can't help but wonder > > whether he ever succeeded. > > > He, or at least someone, obviously succeeded since such systems have > been around for a while. I listened to the system developed by Roland > many years ago (don't remember the name of it but it entered main > publicity by being used on a Michael Jackson record) but I must say I > did not hear much sound appear from outside the two speaker stereo > range. Maybe my ears have the wrong kind of shape or I wasn't sitting > at the sweet spot? > > The other day I also saw "surround headphones" at a computer store, > but I guess that must be a hoax? Probably it means that these > headphones does sum up the six surround channel outputs and play them > back as a convenient two channel mix. > > Anyway, no one has yet come up with a sound system that also play > sound from the directions below and above. Ahh... just remembered > this gig a while back where we were playing at a dance club and the > ceiling was stuffed with speakers. No particular direction in the > sound, but it was way cool to perform on the floor "in a circle > inside the audience" with sound coming all from above (as opposed > from playing on a stage with stage monitoring system). The most > "surround" going on there was actually the audience ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 23 09:17:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED4323BEDD; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 09:17:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <019b01c5f00e$b0991d00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: WIERD DRUM MACHINE FESTIVAL? was New Toys! Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 01:17:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 09:17:13 +0000 (UTC) Tony K posted these and I really enjoyed them a lot. 1. RazorWire Necklace. A D50 and a Korg M3R run through, um, everything. If anybody needs to know what 'everything' is, I can post it. URL- http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/RazorWire Necklace.mp3 (you may have to cut and paste that link, since it's got a space in it) 2. Pulse. An Alesis SR16 drum machine through everything again. The only sound generator is the SR16. Everything else is manipulation of the toys. URL : http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/Pulse.mp3 Conversations with Tony and the latter piece led me to start a WEIRD_DRUM_MACHINE tribe at tribe.net with an attendent yahoo group (Weird_Drum_Machine@yahoogroups.com for people to post files to) dedicated to those people who find processing drum machines to create brand new and unusual musical pieces a very fun thing. I'm also considering producing a WEIRD DRUM MACHINE FESTIVAL at some point next year if I can find a suitable venue for it. Let me know if anyone is interested in performing a 15-30 minute set using only drum machine(s) and processing gear.................no other instruments at all. I have loved using drum machines as the sole sound source for a composition and have been inspired by Matt Davignon's brilliant new CD, BWOO and also by Lx Rudis' live looping work at Y2K4. Come join us and post a weird drum machine sound file. Yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 23 09:58:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1400D3BEDE; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 09:58:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051123094032.02843af0@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 09:55:35 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: New loop tool, sort of..stereo In-Reply-To: <20051122225409.985E73BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051122225409.985E73BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 09:58:34 +0000 (UTC) >If memory serves (and I am certain there is=20 >someone on this list who will illustrate to me=20 >just where memory does not serve), our hearing=20 >is not stereo, but rather binaural. The=20 >diffrence being more than merely semantic as=20 >binaural does not "limit" things to merely a R/L=20 >mix, rather encompassing, like our own hearing, a full 360o sound field. well I dunno, the free online dictionary has it this way ster=B7e=B7o=B7phon=B7ic (str--fnk, st=EEr-) adj. Of or used in a sound-reproduction system that=20 uses two or more separate channels to give a more=20 natural distribution of sound. which is how I was thinking when Bill said a piano isn't stereo. But common usage these days seems to be stereo =3D 2 ch. ...and of course I now get what Bill says, that you can't capture a piano with 2 channels With a digital piano, I think there's possibly a=20 different reason why 2-ch stereo sounds better. I notice that the digi-piano sounds quite realistic playing a single note, but there's a kind of fuzzy-ness to be heard as the number of simultaneous notes increases. (which gets worse for discords). Some kind of interference/intermodulation between the notes which presumably is reduced by spreading the notes across 2 channels. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 23 10:20:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E98583BEDD; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 10:20:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051123095840.02833880@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 10:16:56 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Plea for help with Elotronnix! In-Reply-To: <20051122225409.985E73BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051122225409.985E73BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 10:20:37 +0000 (UTC) >I have Adobe Audition, which accepts VST plugins, and I found >Elotronnix, which is way too cool, but I can't seem to get the >Elotronnix plugin to work correctly. I can record a track live on >Audition, with Elotronnix engaged, but it doesn't repeat >anything. With no change in settings I hit "STOP" and "PLAY" and >the phrase I just recorded is piped through the Elotronnix plug-in >and makes the most lovely ambient sound - but I can't control the >timing and play along with what I've already laid down. Can someone >help me? I'm afraid the PDF that came along with Elotronnix didn't >help. I think it's Audition that I need to tweek, but I can't figure it out. Elotronnix is designed for realtime playing (isn't it?) Audition isn't intended for realtime playing. So you need a vst host for playing through. Plogue Bidule is pretty good, but there's some small free hosts about just for live FX if you search about for them (anyone?) If you still want to record into Audition then http://spider.nrcde.ru/music/software/eng/vac.html a "virtual audio patch cable" will connect the live host to audition. (or so they say, I've not tried it) If you go for Bidule, then that should allow you to record as well, (it's free to try out) , and then you could load the resulting file into Audition. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 23 11:51:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31C433BEEC; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 11:51:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [132.185.144.120] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <009f01c5efa0$5d33aa40$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: New Toys! Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 11:51:44 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Nov 2005 11:51:44.0315 (UTC) FILETIME=[468E58B0:01C5F024] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 11:51:46 +0000 (UTC) >Rick W. said I should post these so here goes... > >URL- http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/RazorWire Necklace.mp3 >URL : http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/Pulse.mp3 > >Enjoy, >Tony nice one tony! excellent! sim www.simeonharris.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 23 12:03:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2A893BEF1; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 12:03:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20051123095840.02833880@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20051122225409.985E73BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051123095840.02833880@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: sad day Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 07:03:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 12:03:05 +0000 (UTC) i don't know if there are any chris whitley fans here. but he died at the tragically young age of 45 last weekend. www.chriswhitley.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 23 14:54:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CF2F3BEDC; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:54:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6.2J rev3 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 23:54:25 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: [NEW RELEASE] Looper's Delight Compilation Volume 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1079364821==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:54:38 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1079364821==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Hi LD list, A new release information. Finally, Looper's Delight Compilation Volume 3 will release on 1st December 2005. Looper's Delight Compilation Volume 3/ V.A. electr-ohm LDCD3 (CD only) US$13.49 (incl.World Wide Shipping from Japan) special price expire at the end of 2005. Ordering and more details (artists bio etc) available : http://www.cavestudio.com/electr-ohm/en/LDCD3/ Paypal accepted. ================================ 17 international looping artists contributed: 01 - Zoe Keating (U.S.A.) We Insist 3:45 02 - andy butler (U.K.) ro-sham-bo 4:10 03 - Tony K / OVO (U.S.A.) Manifestations 4:08 04 - Krispen Hartung (U.S.A.) Groovy Space Faring Machine 4:12 05 - ghost7 (U.S.A.) nature fights back 4:45 06 - The Coyote Loops! (U.S.A.) Excerpt From 'The Long Dance' 5:01 07 - UNDO/David Kirkdorffer (U.S.A.) Celexa & Effexor 4:00 08 - XISTH infotainment (U.K.) Infinity (edit) 4:03 09 - Stephen Parsick and Markus Reuter (Germany) Orange Moon Excerpt (for Ina) 3:57 10 - Phasmatodea (U.S.A.) Nesting Shelters 3:53 11 - Sunao Inami (Japan) Sink 4:11 12 - Electric Bird Noise (U.S.A.) We Share More Than My Fathers Last Name 2:33 13 - Mark Francombe (Norway) Mogadishu 3:52 14 - Fabio Anile (Italy) In a land of stars 3:48 15 - Boysen-Wagner Duo (Sweden/Switzerland) I'll Be On That Hill 3:29 16 - Scott kungha Drengsen (U.S.A.) Learning to walk means falling 4:02 17 - Michael Plishka (U.S.A.) Overwhelmed By You (A Haiku For Kathy) 3:49 ================================ Organized by Sunao Inami (CAVE Studio/electr-ohm/C.U.E.) Special Thanks to Kim Flint (Looper's Delight) Released 2005 by electr-ohm http://www.cavestudio.com/electr-ohm electr-ohm@cavestudio.com ================================ Thank you Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com --============_-1079364821==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" [NEW RELEASE] Looper's Delight Compilation Volume 3
    Hi LD list,

    A new release information.
    Finally, Looper's Delight Compilation Volume 3 will release on 1st December 2005.

    Looper's Delight Compilation Volume 3/ V.A.
    electr-ohm LDCD3 (CD only)
    US$13.49 (incl.World Wide Shipping from Japan)
    special price expire at the end of 2005.

    Ordering and more details (artists bio etc) available :
    http://www.cavestudio.com/electr-ohm/en/LDCD3/
    Paypal accepted.

    ================================
    17 international looping artists contributed:

    01 - Zoe Keating (U.S.A.) We Insist 3:45
    02 - andy butler (U.K.) ro-sham-bo 4:10
    03 - Tony K / OVO (U.S.A.) Manifestations 4:08
    04 - Krispen Hartung (U.S.A.) Groovy Space Faring Machine 4:12
    05 - ghost7 (U.S.A.) nature fights back 4:45
    06 - The Coyote Loops! (U.S.A.) Excerpt From 'The Long Dance' 5:01
    07 - UNDO/David Kirkdorffer (U.S.A.) Celexa & Effexor 4:00
    08 - XISTH infotainment (U.K.) Infinity (edit) 4:03
    09 - Stephen Parsick and Markus Reuter (Germany) Orange Moon Excerpt (for Ina) 3:57
    10 - Phasmatodea (U.S.A.) Nesting Shelters 3:53
    11 - Sunao Inami (Japan) Sink 4:11
    12 - Electric Bird Noise (U.S.A.) We Share More Than My Fathers Last Name 2:33
    13 - Mark Francombe (Norway) Mogadishu 3:52
    14 - Fabio Anile (Italy) In a land of stars 3:48
    15 - Boysen-Wagner Duo (Sweden/Switzerland) I'll Be On That Hill 3:29
    16 - Scott kungha Drengsen (U.S.A.) Learning to walk means falling 4:02
    17 - Michael Plishka (U.S.A.) Overwhelmed By You (A Haiku For Kathy) 3:49

    ================================
    Organized by Sunao Inami (CAVE Studio/electr-ohm/C.U.E.)
    Special Thanks to Kim Flint (Looper's Delight)

    Released 2005 by electr-ohm
    http://www.cavestudio.com/electr-ohm
    electr-ohm@cavestudio.com
    ================================


     Thank you

     Sunao Inami
    http://www.cavestudio.com




    --============_-1079364821==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 23 15:42:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE8CE3BECA; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:42:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com To: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Re:_Behringer_FCB1010?= From: X-Binford: 6100 (more power) X-Originating-From: 28999543 X-Mailer: Webmail X-Received: from config19 by 68.160.127.45 with HTTP id 28999543 for Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:40:01 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:40:01 +0100 Message-ID: <0MKoyl-1Eewl01dq5-0000F1@mrelay.perfora.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:42:04 +0000 (UTC) No, the way it is designed, you need to order new firmware. I got mine from a place called Swell SOund- there is a link over at the FCB Yahoo group- I'm not on my computer right now so I don't have the link.. Dave Eichenberger Luis Angulo wrote on 11/23/2005, 02:33:04 AM: > hey Dave, > I do have the latest eprom version but not the new > firmware,can i just dump it as a sysex into the > fbc1010? > Louie > > > > > > > > > > > > --- hazard factor wrote: > > > I just loaded up the unofficial firmware for the > > Behringer FCB midi pedal > > (available on the FCB Yahoo group) and it has this > > way cool thing that can > > be used with the EDP...the display on the FCB > > changes briefly as you use the > > expression pedals, which, syncs up perfectly to the > > EDP's display when > > changing feedback. I don't have to look over > > anymore! > > On the EDP, I always wished the input and output > > knobs also changed the > > display so I could have that input perfectly set- > > its touchy! > > > > Dave Eichenberger > > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. > http://farechase.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 23 16:54:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CE2F3BECA; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:54:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <43849EB8.000003.01396@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 08:54:16 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_GY2FG6G0000000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sad day X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: <2FcKuB.A.SZF.16JhDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:54:13 +0000 (UTC) --------------Boundary-00=_GY2FG6G0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I love Chris Whitley. I was listening to Livin' With The Law just a few d= ays ago. Sorry to hear the new...but thank you for the notification.=0D =0D How did he die?=0D =0D Sony =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Date: 11/23/05 04:03:01=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: sad day=0D =0D i don't know if there are any chris whitley fans here. but he died at=0D the tragically young age of 45 last weekend.=0D =0D =0D www.chriswhitley.com=0D =0D =0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_GY2FG6G0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    I love Chris Whitley. I was listening to Livin' With The Law just a = few days ago. Sorry to hear the new...but thank you for the not= ification.
     
    How did he die?
     
    Sony 
     
    -------Original Message-------
     
    Date: 11/23/05 04:= 03:01
    Subject: sad day
     
    i don't know if there are any chris whitley fans here. but he died a= t
    the tragically young age of 45 last weekend.
     
     
    --------------Boundary-00=_GY2FG6G0000000000000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 23 16:56:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0984C3BECF; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:56:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <43849F2F.000005.01396@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 08:56:15 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_R13F6RO0000000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <43849EB8.000003.01396@A7V266E-XP-USER> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sad day X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: <06zG6B.A.leF.r8JhDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:56:11 +0000 (UTC) --------------Boundary-00=_R13F6RO0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lung Cancer....I just read the BBC artical.=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Sony Felberg=0D Date: 11/23/05 08:54:13=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.= com=0D Subject: Re: sad day=0D =0D I love Chris Whitley. I was listening to Livin' With The Law just a few d= ays ago. Sorry to hear the new...but thank you for the notification.=0D =0D How did he die?=0D =0D Sony =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Date: 11/23/05 04:03:01=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: sad day=0D =0D i don't know if there are any chris whitley fans here. but he died at=0D the tragically young age of 45 last weekend.=0D =0D =0D www.chriswhitley.com=0D =0D =0D =0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_R13F6RO0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= tr>
     Lung Cancer....I just read the BBC artical.
     
    -------Original Message-------
     
    Date: 11/23/05 08:= 54:13
    Subject: Re: sad d= ay
     
    I love Chris Whitley. I was listening to Livin' With The Law just a = few days ago. Sorry to hear the new...but thank you for the not= ification.
     
    How did he die?
     
    Sony 
     
    -------Original Message-------
     
    Date: 11/23/05 04:= 03:01
    Subject: sad day
     
    i don't know if there are any chris whitley fans here. but he died a= t
    the tragically young age of 45 last weekend.
     
     
    --------------Boundary-00=_R13F6RO0000000000000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 23 19:01:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43B723BEC1; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 19:01:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jifWM47P3nKRSHPL5wGb5GNg6x75US2dBnzjZWhi4b0qS3JrbTNflkdE7qDtAO7uF7WoRQqLaCdnGmaCjd7AwJ4CpHzVUxikKWwzblTaYEjDaWNdpQl/Y9zAG6sNPsu7h4eD9sG0hDLArLaqIq1ywNMi89Av1hLfxMYjIUtTkFY= ; Message-ID: <20051123190116.15740.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 11:01:16 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Re: Behringer FCB1010 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0MKoyl-1Eewl01dq5-0000F1@mrelay.perfora.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 19:01:18 +0000 (UTC) ok thanx man! Greets louie --- artists@hazardfactor.com wrote: > > No, the way it is designed, you need to order new > firmware. I got mine > from a place called Swell SOund- there is a link > over at the FCB Yahoo > group- I'm not on my computer right now so I don't > have the link.. > > Dave Eichenberger > > Luis Angulo wrote on > 11/23/2005, 02:33:04 AM: > > hey Dave, > > I do have the latest eprom version but not the new > > firmware,can i just dump it as a sysex into the > > fbc1010? > > Louie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- hazard factor wrote: > > > > > I just loaded up the unofficial firmware for the > > > Behringer FCB midi pedal > > > (available on the FCB Yahoo group) and it has > this > > > way cool thing that can > > > be used with the EDP...the display on the FCB > > > changes briefly as you use the > > > expression pedals, which, syncs up perfectly to > the > > > EDP's display when > > > changing feedback. I don't have to look over > > > anymore! > > > On the EDP, I always wished the input and output > > > knobs also changed the > > > display so I could have that input perfectly > set- > > > its touchy! > > > > > > Dave Eichenberger > > > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in > one click. > > http://farechase.yahoo.com > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 23 19:09:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24D833BEDE; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 19:09:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [84.69.3.239] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth.whitcock" To: References: <2ab9fc770511220823r8695f45hf8736f61ae74b701@mail.gmail.com> <64b81a780511222224v416d7ca3m5c7333b89fd1290f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: New loop tool, sort of..stereo Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 19:09:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 19:09:08 +0000 (UTC) Co-incidentally I'v been making binaural recordings with some of my students in college - interestingly some find it absolutely amazing and some, verydisturbing. We listen in stereo. We have 2 biological microphones, (ears) 6 inches, (15cm for Europe) apart. Using a combination of time delay and filtering functions our brains are able to determine where sound is. Gareth Ps had a flood in my house that destroyed all my looping gear - boo hoo. Maybe its some Noahresque divine judgement on my satanic looping activities!! Sorry God - but you made me what I am! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 23 19:51:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3A523BED2; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 19:51:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.194.136.161] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20051122225409.A5CC33BEE1@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Stereo Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 11:51:22 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Nov 2005 19:51:22.0698 (UTC) FILETIME=[47CF1AA0:01C5F067] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 19:51:24 +0000 (UTC) I don't think stereo is an artificial construct .We have ears on either side of the head so we can do audio direction finding,which is similar to depth perception with binoccular vision.Notably animals tha are predators have binoccular vision ,to be able to accurately spring on prey,hawks cats while prey animals have 360 or close, and can move eyes independently to watch for attack,rabbits ,deer horses etc. (Possibly simians have binoccular for navigating in trees as some veggetarians have argued,but sqirrels don't and they are incredibly precise acrobats) Anyway bilateral symmetry is one of the most outstanding qualities that identify life forms,though there are some assymetrical life forms,but not many , amoebas and slime molds come to mind. So the center line is a fundamental quality of orientation most animals also have a face ,which means front and rear orientation as well,so it would seem natural to mimic these qualities in audio formats.Owls have two ears but offset which apparentlyincreases their audio accuracy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 23 21:44:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AF4F3BECD; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:44:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uUHqpARRzr1ANJRRGsvkbm6EYzoAjOtJs2dKgOqYCtskpvO1PrIwKB2jkKELt5rzd1ihn09iRArf47kL7kmcgZqXiRdEE/93488Pqa0+j2k856J6vfpqaGUvTUyamv4pSdbyUzROCB/wP1tWfEVTGlUbZPhpSZM3NMkP+5m8aa0= Message-ID: <2ab9fc770511231344x5048d7c3u3047296527709feb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 16:44:25 -0500 From: Christopher Bell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stereo In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051122225409.A5CC33BEE1@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:44:28 +0000 (UTC) Respectfully, stereo is indeed an artificial construct, no matter how well or poorly it imitates the tendency of animal sensory organs to come in twos. Recorded music intends to place all the sound in a two-dimensional array that does not represent at all the ways in which we personally experience "live" sound. Of course, this all changes when that sound is played back in a room, but the thinking is totally artificial, in the same way that any man-made approximation of something "real" is "artificial." Simulacra and Simulation. Think of commercials proclaiming how "real" the images on an HD tv are. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 23 22:28:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D4B63BEDC; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 22:28:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <23964984.1132784897999.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:28:17 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: sad day Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 22:28:19 +0000 (UTC) Friends Chris always embodied a sense of mystery and atmosphere in all of his songs. His voice will be missed. Todd -----Original Message----- From: monk Sent: Nov 23, 2005 5:03 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: sad day i don't know if there are any chris whitley fans here. but he died at the tragically young age of 45 last weekend. www.chriswhitley.com From AlejandroWilkerson@juliogroup.com Thu Nov 24 02:04:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from host81-156-30-239.range81-156.btcentralplus.com (host81-156-30-239.range81-156.btcentralplus.com [81.156.30.239]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id BA04D3BEC1 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 02:04:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lrD@localhost by fmzW.int (8.11.6/8.11.6); Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:48:58 -0700 Message-ID: <0GtgpkJbCEKmdz1693ishpg1@itineresoluciones.com> From: "Cole May" Reply-To: "Cole May" To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: XP Pro Software titles available for Download Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 04:48:58 +0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.2730.2 X-Sender: AlejandroWilkerson@juliogroup.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--XKsaHZB5WeLkCIJ1tK" mx9 ----XKsaHZB5WeLkCIJ1tK Content-Type: text/html; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable L
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    ----XKsaHZB5WeLkCIJ1tK-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 02:14:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DF9E3BEC5; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 02:14:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=EO/Cl0Mj79pPKCQt5TR8Dwy4AIBB3SLuzvYSsafg6hp6k5kGqyT8xl0JQry2/Wux; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220051142421832620@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: Re: sad day Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:18:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940ecc5f75c24603850fe2b46481307497a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.56 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 02:14:09 +0000 (UTC) Eeeek.... a good singer gone, and at my age...just a kid.... the guitarist from Voivod died recently at 45 also. Maybe 45 is the new 27? ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Todd Howell > To: > Date: 11/23/2005 5:28:19 PM > Subject: Re: sad day > > Friends > > Chris always embodied a sense of mystery and atmosphere in all of his songs. His voice will be missed. > > Todd > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: monk > Sent: Nov 23, 2005 5:03 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: sad day > > i don't know if there are any chris whitley fans here. but he died at > the tragically young age of 45 last weekend. > > > www.chriswhitley.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 02:35:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 193A13BED8; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 02:35:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=j2sHyphiy4x7JtxDTHpWeEt72inOEs/EPhgK+uoKRmKA9QKp6uFKh1c2EKx4gumG; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220051142423941730@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: soggy gear Re: New loop tool, sort of..stereo Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:39:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94076f550d4ca5f91afcb25b0cb8c0dd149350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.56 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 02:35:19 +0000 (UTC) Oh, Hell! I feel your pain, Tone-Brother. What great suckage to lose precious tools that border on being pets/friends! ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: gareth.whitcock > To: > Date: 11/23/2005 2:09:08 PM > Subject: Re: New loop tool, sort of..stereo > > Co-incidentally I'v been making binaural recordings with some of my > students in college - interestingly some find it absolutely > amazing and some, verydisturbing. > We listen in stereo. We have 2 biological microphones, (ears) 6 inches, > (15cm for Europe) apart. > Using a combination of time delay and filtering functions our brains are > able to determine where sound is. > > Gareth > > Ps had a flood in my house that destroyed all my looping gear - boo hoo. > Maybe its some Noahresque divine judgement on my satanic looping > activities!! > Sorry God - but you made me what I am! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 03:33:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6F4B3BECA; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 03:33:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4385346A.7000702@pdq.net> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:32:58 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 03:33:01 +0000 (UTC) Hey Loopers - Happy Thanksgiving to you all. In November of 2003, we did a survey of the LD list members to find out what devices they were using for live looping. It was very informal and pretty disorganized (I think I still have a headache...), but I tallied the results into a spreadsheet and posted a PDF version of those results in the Looper's Delight File Library (http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/). It's now two years later, and I figured it might be time to try it again. This time, we won't clutter up the list (or my brain!) with the responses, but instead I'm preparing an online survey form to capture them. The survey will be anonymous (unlike 2 years ago), but the form WILL use cookies to ensure that surveys are only submitted once. Well, once per computer - but what would really be the point in trying to screw with this survey? :) I'll host the survey, and I give my personal assurances that the data written/read by the cookies will only be used to block multiple submissions. I will NOT provide this information to anyone else, and cannot see the contents of your cookie myself. I've started to prepare the form with the following loopers listed (see bottom). I'll take any suggested additions into the list until Saturday. At that point, I'll post the survey and leave it open for about a month so that we get the maximum number of respondents. You won't be able to "write in" a looper once I post the survey. I will continue to take offline (emailed) requests for off-list loopers after the survey starts, but I will have to add them to the results manually at the end of the survey. So please - take a look at this list and ask me to add anything YOU are using as a looper that is not represented. Part of the fun of this survey is to see what other unusual devices are being used. Finally - last year we had some confusion about what to include in the inventory. Some folks were posting gear that they used for loop *mangling* or pre/post loop effecting. There was also some confusion about "samplers" vs. "live loopers". I propose that: - we do NOT try to inventory effects devices used for per/post loop effects - we do NOT try to inventory units used to playback prerecorded loops or samples Instead, if those things are of interest to others, we can start a new thread and post them - or perhaps I can setup another survey in the (distant) future to capture that data. Here's the list - let me know what needs to be added: *Echoplex Digital Pro Electrix Repeater Line 6 DL-4 Lexicon Jamman Digitech Jamman Kaoss Pad I or II Ableton Live Boomerang (Orig or Plus) Akai Headrush Boss RC-20 (or RC-20XL) Lexicon Vortex Line 6 Echo Pro (Rack) Zoom 2100 Lexicon PCM42 or PCM70 or other Boss DD-3, 5 or 6 Boss DD-20 Boss GT-3, 5, 6 or 8 Digitech RDS 7.6 (or similar, incl PDS series) Max MSP Native Instruments Reaktor Sonic Foundry Acid ZVEX Lofi Loop Junky Lexicon MPX G2 Digitech 2120 or 2112 Eventide Orville, Eclipse (or other) Roland VG8 or VG88 Roland GP100 (or similar) Audiomulch Augustus Loop Mobius Electro Harmonix 16 Second Delay (new or reissue) Radial Ambiloop Maneco Looper (any type) Digitech GNX (any) TC Electronic 2290 Delay DJRND3 (or C-Loops or Peavey Grabber) KYMA TC Electronic D-Two Delay Akai Samplers (any) Roland Samplers (any) Yamaha Samplers (any) Maestro, Roland, Guyatone, etc Tape Echo machine * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 06:55:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 467173BED8; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 06:55:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001601c5f0c3$fbd47160$0301a8c0@mlimli> From: "claude voit" To: References: <4385346A.7000702@pdq.net> Subject: Re: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 07:54:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: <4FFcRD.A.EPH.HPWhDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 06:55:03 +0000 (UTC) to add lexion pcm80 clavia g2 no _live_ looping here Akai Samplers (any) Roland Samplers (any) Yamaha Samplers (any) Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 07:56:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25FE83BED9; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 07:56:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007601c5f0cc$718e1a20$6602a8c0@raem50> From: To: References: <20051122225409.985E73BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051123095840.02833880@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Re:Plea for help with Elotronnix! Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 23:55:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 07:56:39 +0000 (UTC) Thank you SO much! I dl'ed Plogue Bidule today and it is the cats pajamas! I am in Fripp heaven. Reid Think Pay attention The job of a citizen is to keep his mouth open. - Gunter Grass ----- Original Message ----- From: "a k butler" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 2:16 AM Subject: Re:Plea for help with Elotronnix! > > >I have Adobe Audition, which accepts VST plugins, and I found > >Elotronnix, which is way too cool, but I can't seem to get the > >Elotronnix plugin to work correctly. I can record a track live on > >Audition, with Elotronnix engaged, but it doesn't repeat > >anything. With no change in settings I hit "STOP" and "PLAY" and > >the phrase I just recorded is piped through the Elotronnix plug-in > >and makes the most lovely ambient sound - but I can't control the > >timing and play along with what I've already laid down. Can someone > >help me? I'm afraid the PDF that came along with Elotronnix didn't > >help. I think it's Audition that I need to tweek, but I can't figure it out. > > Elotronnix is designed for realtime playing (isn't it?) > Audition isn't intended for realtime playing. > > > So you need a vst host for playing through. > Plogue Bidule is pretty good, but there's some small free hosts about just > for live FX if you search about for them (anyone?) > > If you still want to record into Audition then > http://spider.nrcde.ru/music/software/eng/vac.html > a "virtual audio patch cable" will connect the live host > to audition. (or so they say, I've not tried it) > > If you go for Bidule, then that should allow you to record as well, > (it's free to try out) , and then you could load the resulting file > into Audition. > > andy butler > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 09:12:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C38223BEDF; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:12:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Rriel1naVpatUaEKUUTURlE8SqDfvzG/wXeumiYn/FpPKfn8POhiqjFzzZMANvvVY8X2JCPsyrZYNjHcXYM/PjWy4H2DDFqLD04Knt1nBsltDY3sulBCL9gaskKsplpZwDxStPGGlrLN6anBBbX57fEr7Pw0OcjzUdI8IynGRBE= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 01:12:38 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Behringer FCB1010 In-Reply-To: <000201c5ed16$91e207a0$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <0MKoyl-1EdNld3cBo-0000CL@mrelay.perfora.net> <000201c5ed16$91e207a0$0202a8c0@Lightning> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:12:39 +0000 (UTC) I see the JSynthLib page lists the Behringer FCB1010 as being supported, but I don't see it listed in the available synths when you're actually running the program. TravisH On 11/19/05, Warren Sirota wrote: > Sounds like a cool thing. > > BTW, although I haven't tried it yet, the open source patch editor/librar= ian > JSynthLib has a module for the FCB (eprom update or no, as I understand i= t). > > Best wishes, > Warren Sirota > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: hazard factor [mailto:artists@hazardfactor.com] > > Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 3:08 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: RE: Behringer FCB1010 > > > > > > Actually, that is the only way to do it...you have to order > > or burn the new eprom. I am using Unofficial version 1.0.2b. > > It adds quite a bit control, since Behringer didn't use the > > memory to its fullest. There is even a computer > > (PC/Mac/Linux) editor for the new version too. > > > > Dave Eichenberger- > > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > > hey Dave sounds cool dont you have to change the Eprom? which > > > one do you have? > > > > > > --- hazard factor wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 13:45:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B48A3BEB8; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 13:45:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4385C3E2.9050804@iki.fi> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:45:06 +0200 From: Risto Paalanen User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Laptop setup update, shameless self-promotion and a Repeater for sale (!) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 13:45:08 +0000 (UTC) Hi, all. Thanks for all the tips a while back regarding laptop setups for looping. I finally decided to go for the Powerbook (and a Presonus Firebox, thanks for that recommendation as well), although it should indeed be noted that it may not be the optimal choice for Ableton Live users. Right now it seems I'll be running two setups: 1) Guitar -> NI Guitar Rig (not all that great, but will do for now) -> Ableton Live for situations where I'll be using prerecorded loops and/or have a need for timestretching and trasposing. The UI in Ableton is just damn lovely, but the CPU overhead does pile up quite fast. 2) Guitar -> NI GR -> Plogue Bidule for more streamlined gigs. I've been able to achieve lower latencies and less CPU load with Bidule, and the versatility pleases me a lot, but has a somewhat steeper learning curve than Ableton. Might not be a problem for most loopers, though, as we apparently tend to be rather knowledgeable in matters technical. Bot setups use Sooperlooper as the primary looping tool, and BOY it makes me glad I opted for the Powerbook. It's my first experience with a more EDP-ish looping paradigm, and I'm having a _ball_. In other news: a) We finally got Älymystö's (my band) debut album "Atomgrad" back from the printers. (Here's another piece: http://www.taphead.net/ikkuna.mp3) If you liked the clips I've posted and are interested in hearing more, give me a holler, I've got a bunch of discs set aside and I've definately been getting enough tips and stuff off this list to consider you folks eligible for free CD's. Of course, if you have albums out, trades are always fun. We're also involved with some clubs and net radios in Finland, so we'd be more than happy to promote the good stuff. b) Seeing as I've gone the software route, I'll be selling my Repeater as well. If anyone's in a market for one (especially in Europe), again, feel free to reply. Regards, R. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 13:49:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CDD73BECF; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 13:49:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:51:05 -0500 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Behringer FCB1010 In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <017501c5f0fe$1d62f0b0$0202a8c0@Lightning> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 13:49:56 +0000 (UTC) I think you should look again, Travis - I successfully uploaded a bank from the FCB to JSynthLib, edited it, and sent it back. Unfortunately, the FCB itself didn't seem to receive it properly, so now I need to test a more straitforward sysx dump/receive with a sequencer to see whose bug it is (JSynthLib, FCB, or the most likely culprit, me, somehow). Best wishes, Warren Sirota > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 4:13 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Behringer FCB1010 > > > I see the JSynthLib page lists the Behringer FCB1010 as being > supported, but I don't see it listed in the available synths > when you're actually running the program. > > TravisH > > On 11/19/05, Warren Sirota wrote: > > Sounds like a cool thing. > > > > BTW, although I haven't tried it yet, the open source patch > > editor/librarian JSynthLib has a module for the FCB (eprom > update or > > no, as I understand it). > > > > Best wishes, > > Warren Sirota > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: hazard factor [mailto:artists@hazardfactor.com] > > > Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 3:08 AM > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: RE: Behringer FCB1010 > > > > > > > > > Actually, that is the only way to do it...you have to > order or burn > > > the new eprom. I am using Unofficial version 1.0.2b. It > adds quite a > > > bit control, since Behringer didn't use the memory to its > fullest. > > > There is even a computer > > > (PC/Mac/Linux) editor for the new version too. > > > > > > Dave Eichenberger- > > > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > > > > > hey Dave sounds cool dont you have to change the Eprom? > which one > > > > do you have? > > > > > > > > --- hazard factor wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 15:29:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F0393BEB8; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:29:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Ryman1960@aol.com Message-ID: <30.7f6056a4.30b7363f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 10:29:03 EST Subject: Re: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1132846143" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:29:06 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1132846143 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sony TC 630 analog tape machines quarter track (with erase heads turned off) allows for layering upon layering live in real time -------------------------------1132846143 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Sony TC 630 analog tape machines quarter track (with erase heads turned= =20 off) allows for layering upon layering live in real=20 time
     -------------------------------1132846143-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 15:46:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F6383BEC7; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:46:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Tracking-Number: d7d2a541fbb142c89174e2f23a909a67 X-Spam-Policy: SMTP.com is a paid relay service. We don't tolerate UCE of any kind. Please report it ASAP to abuse@smtp.com (sender ID is 1125789) Message-ID: <4385E042.5080204@iinet.net.au> Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 00:46:10 +0900 From: mjnoble User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey References: <30.7f6056a4.30b7363f@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <30.7f6056a4.30b7363f@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:46:14 +0000 (UTC) you may want to add sooperlooper to the mix, and livebuilder for puredata... regards michael noble From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 16:16:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A9D23BEB5; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:16:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:16:30 EST Subject: Re: New Toys! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bd.65366a0a.30b7415e_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: YES Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:16:38 +0000 (UTC) --part1_bd.65366a0a.30b7415e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/23/05 6:52:04 AM, simeonharris@hotmail.com writes: > nice one tony! > tony.....i'd love to know what you used and how you had it set up pathwise.....please....wonderful sounds!.....mic --part1_bd.65366a0a.30b7415e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    In a message dated 11/23/05 6:52:04 AM, simeonharris@hotmail.com writes:


    nice one tony!


    tony.....i'd love to know what you used and how you had it set up pathwise..= ...please....wonderful sounds!.....mic     --part1_bd.65366a0a.30b7415e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 16:22:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A81EE3BEDE; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:22:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <275.73c626.30b742ae@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:22:06 EST Subject: Re: [NEW RELEASE] Looper's Delight Compilation Volume 3 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_275.73c626.30b742ae_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: YES Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:22:17 +0000 (UTC) --part1_275.73c626.30b742ae_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/23/05 9:54:58 AM, webmaster@cavestudio.com writes: > http://www.cavestudio.com/electr-ohm/en/LDCD3/ > WOW.....mic --part1_275.73c626.30b742ae_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    In a message dated 11/23/05 9:54:58 AM, webmaster@cavestudio.com writes:


    http://www.cavestudio= .com/electr-ohm/en/LDCD3/


    WOW.....mic     --part1_275.73c626.30b742ae_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 16:39:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E763B3BEE8; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:39:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4385ED2C.50102@Hevanet.com> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:41:16 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP preset secret??? References: <003201c5dc70$f703b3b0$5a01a8c0@mark> <6.1.2.0.2.20051029124541.04a56740@loopers-delight.com> <43836679.3060909@Hevanet.com> In-Reply-To: <43836679.3060909@Hevanet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:39:06 +0000 (UTC) How do we SAVE an EDP Preset? I'm looking at the manual, but all I see is how to access Presets! Turkey, David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 16:56:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A35B3BEC5; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:56:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ULpWvgSJBYdYCq4mI4klu3KHHih7KCWldgPBUPIkTLHV9CnEwA4y6ifrjpJdqePQy3iJEQe9hCtYpB77+HB9TB89a0rE8CmtPptNbFz5C2XEDAagX9ObMMROyWyNk8el076iGhoJgtAhZpCwnqAms7Bz4js7P6c5FtoV0gflWRM= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:56:19 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP preset secret??? In-Reply-To: <4385ED2C.50102@Hevanet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <003201c5dc70$f703b3b0$5a01a8c0@mark> <6.1.2.0.2.20051029124541.04a56740@loopers-delight.com> <43836679.3060909@Hevanet.com> <4385ED2C.50102@Hevanet.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:56:20 +0000 (UTC) Long press of Overdub while you're in the Preset Editor. Check page 50 of the LoopIV upgrade manual. TravisH On 11/24/05, .David.Auker. wrote: > How do we SAVE an EDP Preset? I'm looking at the manual, but all I see > is how to access Presets! > > Turkey, David > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 17:58:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C282C3BECF; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:58:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: EDP preset secret??? Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:57:56 +0100 Message-ID: <017201c5f120$a0457080$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:58:16 +0000 (UTC) Yes, but why not use the new manual that contains everything in one = compact document: http://tinyurl.com/9qeyj (Presets: p. 8-8, or page 240) Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] > Sent: Donnerstag, 24. November 2005 17:56 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: EDP preset secret??? >=20 > Long press of Overdub while you're in the Preset Editor. > Check page 50 of the LoopIV upgrade manual. >=20 > TravisH >=20 > On 11/24/05, .David.Auker. wrote: > > How do we SAVE an EDP Preset? I'm looking at the manual, but all I = see > > is how to access Presets! > > > > Turkey, David > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 18:05:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DC583BED2; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:05:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 19:05:15 +0100 Message-ID: <017701c5f121$a27f8c90$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <4385346A.7000702@pdq.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:05:29 +0000 (UTC) There's a list of software loopers here: http://tinyurl.com/b8lw6 Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] > Sent: Donnerstag, 24. November 2005 04:33 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey >=20 > Hey Loopers - Happy Thanksgiving to you all. >=20 > In November of 2003, we did a survey of the LD list members to find = out > what devices they were using for live looping. It was very informal = and > pretty disorganized (I think I still have a headache...), but I = tallied > the results into a spreadsheet and posted a PDF version of those = results > in the Looper's Delight File Library > (http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/). >=20 > It's now two years later, and I figured it might be time to try it > again. This time, we won't clutter up the list (or my brain!) with = the > responses, but instead I'm preparing an online survey form to capture > them. The survey will be anonymous (unlike 2 years ago), but the form > WILL use cookies to ensure that surveys are only submitted once. = Well, > once per computer - but what would really be the point in trying to > screw with this survey? :) >=20 > I'll host the survey, and I give my personal assurances that the data > written/read by the cookies will only be used to block multiple > submissions. I will NOT provide this information to anyone else, and > cannot see the contents of your cookie myself. >=20 > I've started to prepare the form with the following loopers listed = (see > bottom). I'll take any suggested additions into the list until > Saturday. At that point, I'll post the survey and leave it open for > about a month so that we get the maximum number of respondents. >=20 > You won't be able to "write in" a looper once I post the survey. I = will > continue to take offline (emailed) requests for off-list loopers after > the survey starts, but I will have to add them to the results manually > at the end of the survey. So please - take a look at this list and = ask > me to add anything YOU are using as a looper that is not represented. > Part of the fun of this survey is to see what other unusual devices = are > being used. >=20 > Finally - last year we had some confusion about what to include in the > inventory. Some folks were posting gear that they used for loop > *mangling* or pre/post loop effecting. There was also some confusion > about "samplers" vs. "live loopers". I propose that: >=20 > - we do NOT try to inventory effects devices used for per/post loop > effects > - we do NOT try to inventory units used to playback prerecorded loops = or > samples >=20 > Instead, if those things are of interest to others, we can start a new > thread and post them - or perhaps I can setup another survey in the > (distant) future to capture that data. >=20 > Here's the list - let me know what needs to be added: >=20 > *Echoplex Digital Pro > Electrix Repeater > Line 6 DL-4 > Lexicon Jamman > Digitech Jamman > Kaoss Pad I or II > Ableton Live > Boomerang (Orig or Plus) > Akai Headrush > Boss RC-20 (or RC-20XL) > Lexicon Vortex > Line 6 Echo Pro (Rack) > Zoom 2100 > Lexicon PCM42 or PCM70 or other > Boss DD-3, 5 or 6 > Boss DD-20 > Boss GT-3, 5, 6 or 8 > Digitech RDS 7.6 (or similar, incl PDS series) > Max MSP > Native Instruments Reaktor > Sonic Foundry Acid > ZVEX Lofi Loop Junky > Lexicon MPX G2 > Digitech 2120 or 2112 > Eventide Orville, Eclipse (or other) > Roland VG8 or VG88 > Roland GP100 (or similar) > Audiomulch > Augustus Loop > Mobius > Electro Harmonix 16 Second Delay (new or reissue) > Radial > Ambiloop > Maneco Looper (any type) > Digitech GNX (any) > TC Electronic 2290 Delay > DJRND3 (or C-Loops or Peavey Grabber) > KYMA > TC Electronic D-Two Delay > Akai Samplers (any) > Roland Samplers (any) > Yamaha Samplers (any) > Maestro, Roland, Guyatone, etc Tape Echo machine > * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 19:13:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FDF03BEC5; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 19:13:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Q0mONzf3vDLJY7wilkfhjMxUlNQjFdY2E6fT9HhkfCgm3oNcvXu1DNnZR5f0EQ/tsiWcKFdHMr/LilQi6H1CBQIrEFyO17SW635JDGnQFQW7gYvALk6TUMvKZ+62mQorl+2IbsVk9AWfeZdG92RF75VWzT0ER4OlKeP/E0V6f/E= Message-ID: <6187dbec0511241113m99d790dxe13f8be451454d78@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 14:13:04 -0500 From: chris harmon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey In-Reply-To: <017701c5f121$a27f8c90$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <4385346A.7000702@pdq.net> <017701c5f121$a27f8c90$2101a8c0@alhambra> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 19:13:06 +0000 (UTC) and the yamaha magicstomp can do 6 second hold delays. On 11/24/05, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > > There's a list of software loopers here: > http://tinyurl.com/b8lw6 > > areLoopers> > > Bernhard > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] > > Sent: Donnerstag, 24. November 2005 04:33 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey > > > > Hey Loopers - Happy Thanksgiving to you all. > > > > In November of 2003, we did a survey of the LD list members to find out > > what devices they were using for live looping. It was very informal an= d > > pretty disorganized (I think I still have a headache...), but I tallied > > the results into a spreadsheet and posted a PDF version of those result= s > > in the Looper's Delight File Library > > (http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/). > > > > It's now two years later, and I figured it might be time to try it > > again. This time, we won't clutter up the list (or my brain!) with the > > responses, but instead I'm preparing an online survey form to capture > > them. The survey will be anonymous (unlike 2 years ago), but the form > > WILL use cookies to ensure that surveys are only submitted once. Well, > > once per computer - but what would really be the point in trying to > > screw with this survey? :) > > > > I'll host the survey, and I give my personal assurances that the data > > written/read by the cookies will only be used to block multiple > > submissions. I will NOT provide this information to anyone else, and > > cannot see the contents of your cookie myself. > > > > I've started to prepare the form with the following loopers listed (see > > bottom). I'll take any suggested additions into the list until > > Saturday. At that point, I'll post the survey and leave it open for > > about a month so that we get the maximum number of respondents. > > > > You won't be able to "write in" a looper once I post the survey. I wil= l > > continue to take offline (emailed) requests for off-list loopers after > > the survey starts, but I will have to add them to the results manually > > at the end of the survey. So please - take a look at this list and ask > > me to add anything YOU are using as a looper that is not represented. > > Part of the fun of this survey is to see what other unusual devices are > > being used. > > > > Finally - last year we had some confusion about what to include in the > > inventory. Some folks were posting gear that they used for loop > > *mangling* or pre/post loop effecting. There was also some confusion > > about "samplers" vs. "live loopers". I propose that: > > > > - we do NOT try to inventory effects devices used for per/post loop > > effects > > - we do NOT try to inventory units used to playback prerecorded loops o= r > > samples > > > > Instead, if those things are of interest to others, we can start a new > > thread and post them - or perhaps I can setup another survey in the > > (distant) future to capture that data. > > > > Here's the list - let me know what needs to be added: > > > > *Echoplex Digital Pro > > Electrix Repeater > > Line 6 DL-4 > > Lexicon Jamman > > Digitech Jamman > > Kaoss Pad I or II > > Ableton Live > > Boomerang (Orig or Plus) > > Akai Headrush > > Boss RC-20 (or RC-20XL) > > Lexicon Vortex > > Line 6 Echo Pro (Rack) > > Zoom 2100 > > Lexicon PCM42 or PCM70 or other > > Boss DD-3, 5 or 6 > > Boss DD-20 > > Boss GT-3, 5, 6 or 8 > > Digitech RDS 7.6 (or similar, incl PDS series) > > Max MSP > > Native Instruments Reaktor > > Sonic Foundry Acid > > ZVEX Lofi Loop Junky > > Lexicon MPX G2 > > Digitech 2120 or 2112 > > Eventide Orville, Eclipse (or other) > > Roland VG8 or VG88 > > Roland GP100 (or similar) > > Audiomulch > > Augustus Loop > > Mobius > > Electro Harmonix 16 Second Delay (new or reissue) > > Radial > > Ambiloop > > Maneco Looper (any type) > > Digitech GNX (any) > > TC Electronic 2290 Delay > > DJRND3 (or C-Loops or Peavey Grabber) > > KYMA > > TC Electronic D-Two Delay > > Akai Samplers (any) > > Roland Samplers (any) > > Yamaha Samplers (any) > > Maestro, Roland, Guyatone, etc Tape Echo machine > > * > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 21:11:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2D483BED8; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 21:11:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43862CEA.8060004@Hevanet.com> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 13:13:14 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP preset secret??? References: <003201c5dc70$f703b3b0$5a01a8c0@mark> <6.1.2.0.2.20051029124541.04a56740@loopers-delight.com> <43836679.3060909@Hevanet.com> <4385ED2C.50102@Hevanet.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 21:11:02 +0000 (UTC) Bernard, Travis: thanks. I was looking right at it, but the concept of "Editor" as where I'd save Preset wasn't jumping out at me, like it should have. I know it depends on personal style (and experience), but here's a question: do you find you're using quite a few Presets (wow, 15 storage slots)? Lots of parameters (over 50), but there must be some big ones you change between frequently (Quantize and 8ths?) ~David Travis Hartnett wrote: >Long press of Overdub while you're in the Preset Editor. >Check page 50 of the LoopIV upgrade manual. > >TravisH > >On 11/24/05, .David.Auker. wrote: > > >>How do we SAVE an EDP Preset? I'm looking at the manual, but all I see >>is how to access Presets! >> >>Turkey, David >> >> >> > > > > Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > >Yes, but why not use the new manual that contains everything in one compact >document: >http://tinyurl.com/9qeyj > >(Presets: p. 8-8, or page 240) >Bernhard > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 24 22:06:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DDB23BEDD; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 22:06:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sr/S/aDWPaOp+zUjPjua5VgnQQJDGaarpPzOiJuVH/bBbgFf8B3avxA+Xou4iSTeNttsRNYCMcXrn+6iEZBm8OVT4YtZLqhKIzBxx2xs0Yv5YJYv/so/qMogmdNSpBptrdlAErVSapjndyQSIc+2NCyBjI8y9sIegHE/gEMk6Iw= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 14:06:55 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP preset secret??? In-Reply-To: <43862CEA.8060004@Hevanet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <003201c5dc70$f703b3b0$5a01a8c0@mark> <6.1.2.0.2.20051029124541.04a56740@loopers-delight.com> <43836679.3060909@Hevanet.com> <4385ED2C.50102@Hevanet.com> <43862CEA.8060004@Hevanet.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 22:06:57 +0000 (UTC) I use only two most of the time--the first with loopcopy set to sound,quantizing set to cycle, and auto-record on, and the second with loopcopy and quantizing turned off. I use the first to build pieces off a foundation loop (usually either percussion tapped out on the guitar or an ostinato), I use the second for pieces which have multiple sections which contain no common audio. TravisH On 11/24/05, .David.Auker. wrote: > Bernard, Travis: thanks. I was looking right at it, but the concept of > "Editor" as where I'd save Preset wasn't jumping out at me, like it > should have. > > I know it depends on personal style (and experience), but here's a > question: do you find you're using quite a few Presets (wow, 15 storage > slots)? Lots of parameters (over 50), but there must be some big ones > you change between frequently (Quantize and 8ths?) > > ~David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 25 00:19:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03A4B3BEDD; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 00:19:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001c01c5f155$f132f550$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: looping turntablist Christian Marclay Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:19:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 00:19:46 +0000 (UTC) Interesting snippet of an interview with the avante garde turntablist, Christian Marclay "PSF: How did you pick out which records would be used? CM: They were just thrift store records --I never spent more than a dollar on a record. It was just junk, and I would stick things on them to MAKE THEM LOOP (sic). I even used an old wind-up gramophone that I found in the garbage. It was also at MassArt that I found these great turntables (Califone) that I've been using ever since. They used to be in every school's audio-visual department for instructional presentations. " Wonderfully creative and thought provoking interview. http://www.furious.com/perfect/christianmarclay.html Does anyone, perchance know if he was the experimental turntablist who was featured on that amazing music variety show Night Music that David Sanborn hosted in the late 80's-early 90's? I saw an artist who used colored wax and multiple turntables to create these wonderful and strange looping pieces of music. The needle would jump over the was and then loop back to it's original position. I've been googling for an hour looking for who this person was. Dr. Z. would have emailed me back in 10 minutes if he were here with five URLS........ :-( Happy Turkey (or Vegan Roll) day everyone!!! Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 25 00:36:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A21EF3BEE6; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 00:36:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:36:22 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <4385346A.7000702@pdq.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <_14xh.A.wFB.FylhDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 00:36:21 +0000 (UTC) I have recently discovered some new tricks for the hold delay function on the Vox Tonelab floorboard. Because this is truly a hold delay, and not a looper where you can determine the start and end points, I was at first frustrated that as long as it was engaged, it would continue to build up layers when in hold mode. What I discovered is that I could assign one of the expression pedals to control the amount of input signal I was feeding the hold delay, there by allowing me to keep a simple loop going if I want, or occasionally adding to the loop, and building on it, or releasing the hold function and letting the original loop decay, before adding more to it. One cool by-product is if I strike a chord or note when the expression pedal is in the heal down position, and then go to toe down position, I can create a loop without the attack of the note, great for chord drones and building ambient pads. it is also cool for rhythmic stuff if you keep the delay time on the short side (700-2000 ml seconds) its maximum delay time is 8000 ml seconds. I think this qualifies as a loop tool. it also got me thinking about that specific feature: the ability to assign an expression pedal to control the amount of signal being sent to the looper, and how this might be a feature unique to the tonelab. it also got me thinking that it could be accomplished with a loop that didn't have this feature provide one had a splitter box or stereo output device( stereo chorus box) and a volume pedal placed before the looper in the signal chain with both the looper output, and the secondary ouput both plugged in to the mixer/amplifier. Has anyone out there tried this with an EDP, Repeater DL4, etc? Bill -----Original Message----- From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 7:33 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey Hey Loopers - Happy Thanksgiving to you all. In November of 2003, we did a survey of the LD list members to find out what devices they were using for live looping. It was very informal and pretty disorganized (I think I still have a headache...), but I tallied the results into a spreadsheet and posted a PDF version of those results in the Looper's Delight File Library (http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/). It's now two years later, and I figured it might be time to try it again. This time, we won't clutter up the list (or my brain!) with the responses, but instead I'm preparing an online survey form to capture them. The survey will be anonymous (unlike 2 years ago), but the form WILL use cookies to ensure that surveys are only submitted once. Well, once per computer - but what would really be the point in trying to screw with this survey? :) I'll host the survey, and I give my personal assurances that the data written/read by the cookies will only be used to block multiple submissions. I will NOT provide this information to anyone else, and cannot see the contents of your cookie myself. I've started to prepare the form with the following loopers listed (see bottom). I'll take any suggested additions into the list until Saturday. At that point, I'll post the survey and leave it open for about a month so that we get the maximum number of respondents. You won't be able to "write in" a looper once I post the survey. I will continue to take offline (emailed) requests for off-list loopers after the survey starts, but I will have to add them to the results manually at the end of the survey. So please - take a look at this list and ask me to add anything YOU are using as a looper that is not represented. Part of the fun of this survey is to see what other unusual devices are being used. Finally - last year we had some confusion about what to include in the inventory. Some folks were posting gear that they used for loop *mangling* or pre/post loop effecting. There was also some confusion about "samplers" vs. "live loopers". I propose that: - we do NOT try to inventory effects devices used for per/post loop effects - we do NOT try to inventory units used to playback prerecorded loops or samples Instead, if those things are of interest to others, we can start a new thread and post them - or perhaps I can setup another survey in the (distant) future to capture that data. Here's the list - let me know what needs to be added: *Echoplex Digital Pro Electrix Repeater Line 6 DL-4 Lexicon Jamman Digitech Jamman Kaoss Pad I or II Ableton Live Boomerang (Orig or Plus) Akai Headrush Boss RC-20 (or RC-20XL) Lexicon Vortex Line 6 Echo Pro (Rack) Zoom 2100 Lexicon PCM42 or PCM70 or other Boss DD-3, 5 or 6 Boss DD-20 Boss GT-3, 5, 6 or 8 Digitech RDS 7.6 (or similar, incl PDS series) Max MSP Native Instruments Reaktor Sonic Foundry Acid ZVEX Lofi Loop Junky Lexicon MPX G2 Digitech 2120 or 2112 Eventide Orville, Eclipse (or other) Roland VG8 or VG88 Roland GP100 (or similar) Audiomulch Augustus Loop Mobius Electro Harmonix 16 Second Delay (new or reissue) Radial Ambiloop Maneco Looper (any type) Digitech GNX (any) TC Electronic 2290 Delay DJRND3 (or C-Loops or Peavey Grabber) KYMA TC Electronic D-Two Delay Akai Samplers (any) Roland Samplers (any) Yamaha Samplers (any) Maestro, Roland, Guyatone, etc Tape Echo machine * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 25 00:44:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E1793BEEC; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 00:44:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XLZZWZ1SwvXTrZ1c2ojgB9UPr4ctXrFExeOUUEj55UWUnJw2K6WPrn1V0kohNR9ToWRUT1fT2IMpPCO/h+Y9VkwOJvD13z04yz7n1XDkJtMW9DNBpnffM5RWv/+Dh/FF4ePn95ASheVSKvB5CE5yxtS37zy/URbnc51V7vHjVhI= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:44:11 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looping turntablist Christian Marclay In-Reply-To: <001c01c5f155$f132f550$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <001c01c5f155$f132f550$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 00:44:12 +0000 (UTC) Yes, that was Marclay on Night Music. That was the episode where the other guests where Pops Staple (noted R&B musician), John Cale and Richard Thompson. At the end of the show they'd usually have all the guests play a song together, and this night it was "Heartbreak Hotel" (the Elvis tune). Cale sings a verse, takes a solo on keys. Thompson does the same. Then Marclay gets his solo verse and does something with two or three of his "modified" vinyl scratching setups, and it's really OUT, while the band cooks along on a slow swamp blues groove. Then they cut to Pop Staples, whose probably about 65 years old and you see him looking over at Marclay with a "What the hell was that shit?" expression as he sings his verse. One of my favorite moments from that brilliant show. TravisH On 11/24/05, loop.pool wrote: > Interesting snippet of an interview with the avante garde turntablist, > Christian Marclay > > "PSF: How did you pick out which records would be used? > CM: They were just thrift store records --I never spent more than a doll= ar > on a record. It was just junk, and I would stick things on them to MAKE T= HEM > LOOP (sic). I even used an old wind-up gramophone that I found in the > garbage. It was also at MassArt that I found these great turntables > (Califone) that I've been using ever since. They used to be in every > school's audio-visual department for instructional presentations. " > > Wonderfully creative and thought provoking interview. > > http://www.furious.com/perfect/christianmarclay.html > > Does anyone, perchance know if he was the experimental turntablist who wa= s > featured on that amazing music variety show Night Music that David Sanbor= n > hosted in the late 80's-early 90's? > I saw an artist who used colored wax and multiple turntables to create th= ese > wonderful and strange looping pieces of music. > The needle would jump over the was and then loop back to it's original > position. > I've been googling for an hour looking for who this person was. Dr. Z. > would have emailed me back in 10 minutes if he were here with five > URLS........ :-( > Happy Turkey (or Vegan Roll) day everyone!!! > Rick > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 25 00:55:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F4D23BEF6; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 00:55:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Naming a software looper Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:55:37 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <004b01c5ed24$087be4f0$0202a8c0@Lightning> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <46tahD.A.zjB.IEmhDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 00:55:36 +0000 (UTC) Sorry it took we a while to reply. I was only stating in general terms that I think that manufacturers are missing the boat and a potentially lucrative market by not gearing new looping tools to beginners and educators as well as more tech minded musicians and enthusiasts. I can think of any one of a number of reasons a looper can make an outstanding practice/creative writing tool. Skills in melody, harmony, rhythm ,and style can all be furthered and enhanced with a looping tool provided it is simple to operate and perhaps has some metronome/ beat box built in like the current Boss and digitech stuff. To me its value in this regard is a no brainer. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Warren Sirota [mailto:wsirota@wsdesigns.com] Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 8:12 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Naming a software looper Bill, I don't quite get what would make this a good practice tool. What did you have in mind? BTW, if you didn't know, I'm already in the practice tool business, with SlowGold (www.slowgold.com). I know it's not the same, but it is a cool program. But, frankly, I think there's more juice (and I mean that both in terms of excitement for me and $$) in the creative tools business. I could be wrong about the $$. Warren > -----Original Message----- > From: William Walker [mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com] > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 5:37 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Naming a software looper > > > That sounds very cool, do you think it will be simple enough > to market it to students/ teenagers, and beginners as a > practice tool? That is an area I think some company should > address. Making this technology simple enough that it could > help a young music student get better, would open up looping > technology to a whole new market. Here's another name, > Practiceperferct, or PP for short. a product simple enough > for a beginner, but deep enough for a pro. Shudder to think. Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Warren Sirota [mailto:wsirota@wsdesigns.com] > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 1:56 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Naming a software looper > > > Thanks, Stephen. I agree with you that names are important. > That's why I'm struggling with it. > > I had a dream right before I woke up this morning - I don't > remember what the dream was about, but one word was prominent > in it: Helio. It doesn't have anything to do with looping, > but then neither does Ableton (many other products are not > named to reflect their capabilities). A dictionary search > reveals that "Helios" was the god of the sun or something like that. > > So there's one name. Another that I thought of was MultiLoop, > but I'm not sure how well that really reflects anything. I > also thought of "FNEZ Looper" (read it out loud), but that's > a bit on the crude side, I guess. One person I talked to > liked it, someone else cringed. Cringing is not good. > > The things that are most unique about this looper (I think, I > hope) are: > > - instant gratification, easy learning curve > - Can be operated in hands-free mode; works with most > footcontrollers (but a multi-bank footcontroller is best; > basic functions can be in the first bank, advanced functions > in others) > - CD-quality, stereo looping > - loop layers are independently mutable and re-mixable > - built in digital multitrack recorder makes pristine > recordings of your live playing, your loops and aux inputs > (like the people you're playing > with) > - peak limiting on the output. In later versions, different > forms of multiband compression will be supported > - with a touch of your toe (here I go into marketing-speak), > you can save all the loops into individual files for later > processing with Acid or the DAW of your choice. > - PC (XP) and MAC (OS/X) > - affordability - I anticipate 3 versions, one at $89 or so, > one at $199 and one at $299. > - support for VST plugins to modify the input to the looper > and the total mix output > > At present, it's a fairly basic looper/recorder. In addition > to the basic looper, reverse is there, as well as > continuously-varying playback speed, controlled by footpedal > or mouse (the pitch changes, but it's a pretty good effect). > But the architecture is very solid, and I expect to be adding > fancy effects rapidly once I get past the initial hurdles of > documentation, installers, security (I hate dealing with sw > security, but you gotta do it), press releases and all that stuff. > > I put a couple of screenshots up at > www.warrensirota.com/looper so you can get a better idea. > > I'd love naming suggestions suggestions and votes on the ones > I've got: Helio (or Helios) and MultiLoop. > > Thanks, > Warren Sirota > www.warrensirota.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: S V G [mailto:vsyevolod@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 2:22 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V05 #746 > > > > > > > > Warren, > > > > Naming can be a very powerful thing. Especially if > you are able > > to describe within the name what is unique about the object to be > > named. Secondarily, the name can be pleasant to the ear, > or at least > > memorable. Associations with other products is usually not > > desireable. > > > > When I hear the name AccuLoop, my mind immediately goes to all > > the cheaply designed and built woodworking tools from overseas. > > "Accu" as a prefix, just doesn't instill confidence in a > product, at > > least to this boy. > > > > Naming your looper has the potential to make it or > break it. A > > good example is the software called Chopitch. Does it mean > that your > > chops will start itching? > > > > Good luck finding an appropriate name for it. > > Currently, AccuLoop doesn't do much for me. > > > > Regards, > > > > Stephen > > > > > > > > > > Warren wrote: > > It's a little hard for me to complete the docs, though, > because I'm at > > sea for a name. I'm thinking maybe AccuLoop. Whaddya think? (that, > > totally without an explanation of what makes it special, is not > > exactly an easy question - but whether the name should be > related to > > the specific features or not is also not an easy one). > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 25 00:56:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA9E13BEFA; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 00:56:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=rWjdiUlXBKaSDnSlCcwRNuii2VVFl/4Lapv2Dtj8xBZ0945FKiJOUUbzlh2G2BYP; h=Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 16:56:23 -0700 Subject: Re: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey From: stanley card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48f456e259ab2a103efc3b7f2608fc69dc3d22eb99cf5c6dcb350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.247.202.16 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 00:56:56 +0000 (UTC) on 11/24/05 5:36 PM, William Walker at billwalker@baymoon.com wrote: Hi Bill-great trick... only seen it done by David Gilmour on his live dvd 'in concert'. he is playing 'shine on you crazy diamond' solo acoustic and for the solos he would swell in a chord w/ a volped and that goes to a long delay(which eventually does fades out) and he would play single notes over the chord...it sounds really pristine and cool. dont know if what he is doing is really looping 'cause its in 'delay' mode... seeya stannee > I have recently discovered some new tricks for the hold delay function on > the Vox Tonelab floorboard. Because this is truly a hold delay... Has anyone > out there tried this with an EDP, Repeater DL4, etc? > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] > Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 7:33 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey > > > Hey Loopers - Happy Thanksgiving to you all. > > In November of 2003, we did a survey of the LD list members to find out > what devices they were using for live looping. It was very informal and > pretty disorganized (I think I still have a headache...), but I tallied > the results into a spreadsheet and posted a PDF version of those results > in the Looper's Delight File Library > (http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/). > > It's now two years later, and I figured it might be time to try it > again. This time, we won't clutter up the list (or my brain!) with the > responses, but instead I'm preparing an online survey form to capture > them. The survey will be anonymous (unlike 2 years ago), but the form > WILL use cookies to ensure that surveys are only submitted once. Well, > once per computer - but what would really be the point in trying to > screw with this survey? :) > > I'll host the survey, and I give my personal assurances that the data > written/read by the cookies will only be used to block multiple > submissions. I will NOT provide this information to anyone else, and > cannot see the contents of your cookie myself. > > I've started to prepare the form with the following loopers listed (see > bottom). I'll take any suggested additions into the list until > Saturday. At that point, I'll post the survey and leave it open for > about a month so that we get the maximum number of respondents. > > You won't be able to "write in" a looper once I post the survey. I will > continue to take offline (emailed) requests for off-list loopers after > the survey starts, but I will have to add them to the results manually > at the end of the survey. So please - take a look at this list and ask > me to add anything YOU are using as a looper that is not represented. > Part of the fun of this survey is to see what other unusual devices are > being used. > > Finally - last year we had some confusion about what to include in the > inventory. Some folks were posting gear that they used for loop > *mangling* or pre/post loop effecting. There was also some confusion > about "samplers" vs. "live loopers". I propose that: > > - we do NOT try to inventory effects devices used for per/post loop effects > - we do NOT try to inventory units used to playback prerecorded loops or > samples > > Instead, if those things are of interest to others, we can start a new > thread and post them - or perhaps I can setup another survey in the > (distant) future to capture that data. > > Here's the list - let me know what needs to be added: > > *Echoplex Digital Pro > Electrix Repeater > Line 6 DL-4 > Lexicon Jamman > Digitech Jamman > Kaoss Pad I or II > Ableton Live > Boomerang (Orig or Plus) > Akai Headrush > Boss RC-20 (or RC-20XL) > Lexicon Vortex > Line 6 Echo Pro (Rack) > Zoom 2100 > Lexicon PCM42 or PCM70 or other > Boss DD-3, 5 or 6 > Boss DD-20 > Boss GT-3, 5, 6 or 8 > Digitech RDS 7.6 (or similar, incl PDS series) > Max MSP > Native Instruments Reaktor > Sonic Foundry Acid > ZVEX Lofi Loop Junky > Lexicon MPX G2 > Digitech 2120 or 2112 > Eventide Orville, Eclipse (or other) > Roland VG8 or VG88 > Roland GP100 (or similar) > Audiomulch > Augustus Loop > Mobius > Electro Harmonix 16 Second Delay (new or reissue) > Radial > Ambiloop > Maneco Looper (any type) > Digitech GNX (any) > TC Electronic 2290 Delay > DJRND3 (or C-Loops or Peavey Grabber) > KYMA > TC Electronic D-Two Delay > Akai Samplers (any) > Roland Samplers (any) > Yamaha Samplers (any) > Maestro, Roland, Guyatone, etc Tape Echo machine > * > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 25 02:56:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08B883BEFA; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 02:56:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43867D5E.7020102@pdq.net> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 20:56:30 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey References: <4385346A.7000702@pdq.net> <017701c5f121$a27f8c90$2101a8c0@alhambra> <6187dbec0511241113m99d790dxe13f8be451454d78@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6187dbec0511241113m99d790dxe13f8be451454d78@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 02:56:32 +0000 (UTC) The Magicstomps are already listed. chris harmon wrote: >and the yamaha magicstomp can do 6 second hold delays. > >On 11/24/05, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > > >>There's a list of software loopers here: >>http://tinyurl.com/b8lw6 >> >>>areLoopers> >> >>Bernhard >> >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] >>>Sent: Donnerstag, 24. November 2005 04:33 >>>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>Subject: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey >>> >>>Hey Loopers - Happy Thanksgiving to you all. >>> >>>In November of 2003, we did a survey of the LD list members to find out >>>what devices they were using for live looping. It was very informal and >>>pretty disorganized (I think I still have a headache...), but I tallied >>>the results into a spreadsheet and posted a PDF version of those results >>>in the Looper's Delight File Library >>>(http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/). >>> >>>It's now two years later, and I figured it might be time to try it >>>again. This time, we won't clutter up the list (or my brain!) with the >>>responses, but instead I'm preparing an online survey form to capture >>>them. The survey will be anonymous (unlike 2 years ago), but the form >>>WILL use cookies to ensure that surveys are only submitted once. Well, >>>once per computer - but what would really be the point in trying to >>>screw with this survey? :) >>> >>>I'll host the survey, and I give my personal assurances that the data >>>written/read by the cookies will only be used to block multiple >>>submissions. I will NOT provide this information to anyone else, and >>>cannot see the contents of your cookie myself. >>> >>>I've started to prepare the form with the following loopers listed (see >>>bottom). I'll take any suggested additions into the list until >>>Saturday. At that point, I'll post the survey and leave it open for >>>about a month so that we get the maximum number of respondents. >>> >>>You won't be able to "write in" a looper once I post the survey. I will >>>continue to take offline (emailed) requests for off-list loopers after >>>the survey starts, but I will have to add them to the results manually >>>at the end of the survey. So please - take a look at this list and ask >>>me to add anything YOU are using as a looper that is not represented. >>>Part of the fun of this survey is to see what other unusual devices are >>>being used. >>> >>>Finally - last year we had some confusion about what to include in the >>>inventory. Some folks were posting gear that they used for loop >>>*mangling* or pre/post loop effecting. There was also some confusion >>>about "samplers" vs. "live loopers". I propose that: >>> >>>- we do NOT try to inventory effects devices used for per/post loop >>>effects >>>- we do NOT try to inventory units used to playback prerecorded loops or >>>samples >>> >>>Instead, if those things are of interest to others, we can start a new >>>thread and post them - or perhaps I can setup another survey in the >>>(distant) future to capture that data. >>> >>>Here's the list - let me know what needs to be added: >>> >>>*Echoplex Digital Pro >>>Electrix Repeater >>>Line 6 DL-4 >>>Lexicon Jamman >>>Digitech Jamman >>>Kaoss Pad I or II >>>Ableton Live >>>Boomerang (Orig or Plus) >>>Akai Headrush >>>Boss RC-20 (or RC-20XL) >>>Lexicon Vortex >>>Line 6 Echo Pro (Rack) >>>Zoom 2100 >>>Lexicon PCM42 or PCM70 or other >>>Boss DD-3, 5 or 6 >>>Boss DD-20 >>>Boss GT-3, 5, 6 or 8 >>>Digitech RDS 7.6 (or similar, incl PDS series) >>>Max MSP >>>Native Instruments Reaktor >>>Sonic Foundry Acid >>>ZVEX Lofi Loop Junky >>>Lexicon MPX G2 >>>Digitech 2120 or 2112 >>>Eventide Orville, Eclipse (or other) >>>Roland VG8 or VG88 >>>Roland GP100 (or similar) >>>Audiomulch >>>Augustus Loop >>>Mobius >>>Electro Harmonix 16 Second Delay (new or reissue) >>>Radial >>>Ambiloop >>>Maneco Looper (any type) >>>Digitech GNX (any) >>>TC Electronic 2290 Delay >>>DJRND3 (or C-Loops or Peavey Grabber) >>>KYMA >>>TC Electronic D-Two Delay >>>Akai Samplers (any) >>>Roland Samplers (any) >>>Yamaha Samplers (any) >>>Maestro, Roland, Guyatone, etc Tape Echo machine >>>* >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 25 02:58:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A167B3BF01; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 02:58:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=G1fMRLTfuHtmYDDQjdWWt2FQAIGgElDXH2nEG+CUQUE4I7qZUSCPGZPUhdQWImuJ; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200511525335570@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: Cage and Patchen Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 22:03:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940a57d3ffc0909b29e46c85f6cdfb0e19b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.135 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 02:58:38 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi Gang: Just wondering if any of you may know wher I could buy the John Cage/Kenneth Patchen piece "The City Wears a Slouch Hat." 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    Hi Gang:
    Just wondering if any of you may know wher I could buy the John Cage/Kenneth Patchen piece "The City Wears a Slouch Hat."
    I'm not having any cyber-luck and would be grateful for any assistance.
    Yours in Arthur Ganson,
    Tim
     
     
     
     
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    ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 25 03:07:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8969E3BF0C; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 03:07:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HWOfTNTlMYEqkeJiPRJAfx9yMTHQIcghBLc+vEST/jnpg9whzvfb5yuoEfs8Gdu8wYi2ujUxVhKoXl7jp9CE1DDox4kYZNkR2oGJuzlcFdhHLUL94VMePCxh4uOpWY4pn1ErhfB13T7jShddGvuJjhQsIIQ/rxIk0/bahz5qFyY= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 19:07:38 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cage and Patchen In-Reply-To: <410-2200511525335570@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <410-2200511525335570@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 03:07:39 +0000 (UTC) http://www.amusicarea.com/detail/764593005520.html $17.98 USD On 11/24/05, Timothy Mungenast wrote: > > > > Hi Gang: > Just wondering if any of you may know wher I could buy the John Cage/Kenn= eth > Patchen piece "The City Wears a Slouch Hat." > I'm not having any cyber-luck and would be grateful for any assistance. > Yours in Arthur Ganson, > Tim > > > > > Timothy Mungenast > mungenast@earthlink.net > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 25 03:15:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F1553BF11; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 03:15:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=BujsY/h7OAijsrMVmRYNrgseoBghwAHbu7LaQpKzooXXLc9SYjLKMSyTR2s1oHmu; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220051152531937740@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 22:19:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940f160456198c859ef4aa82b3e5b09576e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.135 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 03:15:11 +0000 (UTC) Digitech DFX-94 > [Original Message] > From: Doug Cox > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: 11/23/2005 10:33:01 PM > Subject: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey > > Hey Loopers - Happy Thanksgiving to you all. > > In November of 2003, we did a survey of the LD list members to find out > what devices they were using for live looping. It was very informal and > pretty disorganized (I think I still have a headache...), but I tallied > the results into a spreadsheet and posted a PDF version of those results > in the Looper's Delight File Library > (http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/). > > It's now two years later, and I figured it might be time to try it > again. This time, we won't clutter up the list (or my brain!) with the > responses, but instead I'm preparing an online survey form to capture > them. The survey will be anonymous (unlike 2 years ago), but the form > WILL use cookies to ensure that surveys are only submitted once. Well, > once per computer - but what would really be the point in trying to > screw with this survey? :) > > I'll host the survey, and I give my personal assurances that the data > written/read by the cookies will only be used to block multiple > submissions. I will NOT provide this information to anyone else, and > cannot see the contents of your cookie myself. > > I've started to prepare the form with the following loopers listed (see > bottom). I'll take any suggested additions into the list until > Saturday. At that point, I'll post the survey and leave it open for > about a month so that we get the maximum number of respondents. > > You won't be able to "write in" a looper once I post the survey. I will > continue to take offline (emailed) requests for off-list loopers after > the survey starts, but I will have to add them to the results manually > at the end of the survey. So please - take a look at this list and ask > me to add anything YOU are using as a looper that is not represented. > Part of the fun of this survey is to see what other unusual devices are > being used. > > Finally - last year we had some confusion about what to include in the > inventory. Some folks were posting gear that they used for loop > *mangling* or pre/post loop effecting. There was also some confusion > about "samplers" vs. "live loopers". I propose that: > > - we do NOT try to inventory effects devices used for per/post loop effects > - we do NOT try to inventory units used to playback prerecorded loops or > samples > > Instead, if those things are of interest to others, we can start a new > thread and post them - or perhaps I can setup another survey in the > (distant) future to capture that data. > > Here's the list - let me know what needs to be added: > > *Echoplex Digital Pro > Electrix Repeater > Line 6 DL-4 > Lexicon Jamman > Digitech Jamman > Kaoss Pad I or II > Ableton Live > Boomerang (Orig or Plus) > Akai Headrush > Boss RC-20 (or RC-20XL) > Lexicon Vortex > Line 6 Echo Pro (Rack) > Zoom 2100 > Lexicon PCM42 or PCM70 or other > Boss DD-3, 5 or 6 > Boss DD-20 > Boss GT-3, 5, 6 or 8 > Digitech RDS 7.6 (or similar, incl PDS series) > Max MSP > Native Instruments Reaktor > Sonic Foundry Acid > ZVEX Lofi Loop Junky > Lexicon MPX G2 > Digitech 2120 or 2112 > Eventide Orville, Eclipse (or other) > Roland VG8 or VG88 > Roland GP100 (or similar) > Audiomulch > Augustus Loop > Mobius > Electro Harmonix 16 Second Delay (new or reissue) > Radial > Ambiloop > Maneco Looper (any type) > Digitech GNX (any) > TC Electronic 2290 Delay > DJRND3 (or C-Loops or Peavey Grabber) > KYMA > TC Electronic D-Two Delay > Akai Samplers (any) > Roland Samplers (any) > Yamaha Samplers (any) > Maestro, Roland, Guyatone, etc Tape Echo machine > * From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 25 03:19:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B4AE3BF19; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 03:19:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <438682CC.9040708@pdq.net> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 21:19:40 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey References: <410-220051152531937740@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <410-220051152531937740@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 03:19:39 +0000 (UTC) This is the same as a DOD FX94, right? I found that and added it to the list already. Please help me confirm - if they're different, I can list them separately, but would prefer to group them together if they're the same (or very close to the same). Thanks! Timothy Mungenast wrote: >Digitech DFX-94 > > > > > > >>[Original Message] >>From: Doug Cox >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> > > > >>Date: 11/23/2005 10:33:01 PM >>Subject: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey >> >>Hey Loopers - Happy Thanksgiving to you all. >> >>In November of 2003, we did a survey of the LD list members to find out >>what devices they were using for live looping. It was very informal and >>pretty disorganized (I think I still have a headache...), but I tallied >>the results into a spreadsheet and posted a PDF version of those results >>in the Looper's Delight File Library >>(http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/). >> >>It's now two years later, and I figured it might be time to try it >>again. This time, we won't clutter up the list (or my brain!) with the >>responses, but instead I'm preparing an online survey form to capture >>them. The survey will be anonymous (unlike 2 years ago), but the form >>WILL use cookies to ensure that surveys are only submitted once. Well, >>once per computer - but what would really be the point in trying to >>screw with this survey? :) >> >>I'll host the survey, and I give my personal assurances that the data >>written/read by the cookies will only be used to block multiple >>submissions. I will NOT provide this information to anyone else, and >>cannot see the contents of your cookie myself. >> >>I've started to prepare the form with the following loopers listed (see >>bottom). I'll take any suggested additions into the list until >>Saturday. At that point, I'll post the survey and leave it open for >>about a month so that we get the maximum number of respondents. >> >>You won't be able to "write in" a looper once I post the survey. I will >>continue to take offline (emailed) requests for off-list loopers after >>the survey starts, but I will have to add them to the results manually >>at the end of the survey. So please - take a look at this list and ask >>me to add anything YOU are using as a looper that is not represented. >>Part of the fun of this survey is to see what other unusual devices are >>being used. >> >>Finally - last year we had some confusion about what to include in the >>inventory. Some folks were posting gear that they used for loop >>*mangling* or pre/post loop effecting. There was also some confusion >>about "samplers" vs. "live loopers". I propose that: >> >>- we do NOT try to inventory effects devices used for per/post loop >> >> >effects > > >>- we do NOT try to inventory units used to playback prerecorded loops or >>samples >> >>Instead, if those things are of interest to others, we can start a new >>thread and post them - or perhaps I can setup another survey in the >>(distant) future to capture that data. >> >>Here's the list - let me know what needs to be added: >> >>*Echoplex Digital Pro >>Electrix Repeater >>Line 6 DL-4 >>Lexicon Jamman >>Digitech Jamman >>Kaoss Pad I or II >>Ableton Live >>Boomerang (Orig or Plus) >>Akai Headrush >>Boss RC-20 (or RC-20XL) >>Lexicon Vortex >>Line 6 Echo Pro (Rack) >>Zoom 2100 >>Lexicon PCM42 or PCM70 or other >>Boss DD-3, 5 or 6 >>Boss DD-20 >>Boss GT-3, 5, 6 or 8 >>Digitech RDS 7.6 (or similar, incl PDS series) >>Max MSP >>Native Instruments Reaktor >>Sonic Foundry Acid >>ZVEX Lofi Loop Junky >>Lexicon MPX G2 >>Digitech 2120 or 2112 >>Eventide Orville, Eclipse (or other) >>Roland VG8 or VG88 >>Roland GP100 (or similar) >>Audiomulch >>Augustus Loop >>Mobius >>Electro Harmonix 16 Second Delay (new or reissue) >>Radial >>Ambiloop >>Maneco Looper (any type) >>Digitech GNX (any) >>TC Electronic 2290 Delay >>DJRND3 (or C-Loops or Peavey Grabber) >>KYMA >>TC Electronic D-Two Delay >>Akai Samplers (any) >>Roland Samplers (any) >>Yamaha Samplers (any) >>Maestro, Roland, Guyatone, etc Tape Echo machine >>* >> >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 25 03:26:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D47CE3BF24; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 03:26:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Qzq0oj47Dtpn2BR2C/vmCOz3OoTnT0waPyaSJsu6/4URPvvh+nleTvTcG8IlURlX; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220051152533110350@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cage and Patchen Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 22:31:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94031edf2796b8b5b1c6566aeb29daf248c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.135 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 03:26:44 +0000 (UTC) Mille Grazi, Travis! ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Travis Hartnett > To: > Date: 11/24/2005 10:07:39 PM > Subject: Re: Cage and Patchen > > http://www.amusicarea.com/detail/764593005520.html > > $17.98 USD > > > > On 11/24/05, Timothy Mungenast wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Gang: > > Just wondering if any of you may know wher I could buy the John Cage/Kenneth > > Patchen piece "The City Wears a Slouch Hat." > > I'm not having any cyber-luck and would be grateful for any assistance. > > Yours in Arthur Ganson, > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > Timothy Mungenast > > mungenast@earthlink.net > > Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 25 03:26:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DAEA3BF27; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 03:26:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <438682CC.9040708@pdq.net> References: <410-220051152531937740@earthlink.net> <438682CC.9040708@pdq.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <838279BB-9640-4B9F-9A56-8B64BDC52025@comcast.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ernest Smith Subject: Re: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 22:26:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 03:26:47 +0000 (UTC) The 4 second looping pedal is the DOD DFX94. There is no FX94, AFAIK. There was a DFX98 advertised, but a real life version never made it to the stores. On Nov 24, 2005, at 10:19 PM, Doug Cox wrote: > This is the same as a DOD FX94, right? > > I found that and added it to the list already. Please help me > confirm - if they're different, I can list them separately, but > would prefer to group them together if they're the same (or very > close to the same). > > Thanks! > > Timothy Mungenast wrote: > > >> Digitech DFX-94 >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> [Original Message] >>> From: Doug Cox >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> Date: 11/23/2005 10:33:01 PM >>> Subject: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey >>> >>> Hey Loopers - Happy Thanksgiving to you all. >>> >>> In November of 2003, we did a survey of the LD list members to >>> find out what devices they were using for live looping. It was >>> very informal and pretty disorganized (I think I still have a >>> headache...), but I tallied the results into a spreadsheet and >>> posted a PDF version of those results in the Looper's Delight >>> File Library (http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/). >>> >>> It's now two years later, and I figured it might be time to try >>> it again. This time, we won't clutter up the list (or my brain!) >>> with the responses, but instead I'm preparing an online survey >>> form to capture them. The survey will be anonymous (unlike 2 >>> years ago), but the form WILL use cookies to ensure that surveys >>> are only submitted once. Well, once per computer - but what >>> would really be the point in trying to screw with this survey? :) >>> >>> I'll host the survey, and I give my personal assurances that the >>> data written/read by the cookies will only be used to block >>> multiple submissions. I will NOT provide this information to >>> anyone else, and cannot see the contents of your cookie myself. >>> >>> I've started to prepare the form with the following loopers >>> listed (see bottom). I'll take any suggested additions into the >>> list until Saturday. At that point, I'll post the survey and >>> leave it open for about a month so that we get the maximum number >>> of respondents. >>> >>> You won't be able to "write in" a looper once I post the survey. >>> I will continue to take offline (emailed) requests for off-list >>> loopers after the survey starts, but I will have to add them to >>> the results manually at the end of the survey. So please - take >>> a look at this list and ask me to add anything YOU are using as a >>> looper that is not represented. Part of the fun of this survey >>> is to see what other unusual devices are being used. >>> >>> Finally - last year we had some confusion about what to include >>> in the inventory. Some folks were posting gear that they used >>> for loop *mangling* or pre/post loop effecting. There was also >>> some confusion about "samplers" vs. "live loopers". I propose that: >>> >>> - we do NOT try to inventory effects devices used for per/post loop >>> >>> >> effects >> >> >>> - we do NOT try to inventory units used to playback prerecorded >>> loops or samples >>> >>> Instead, if those things are of interest to others, we can start >>> a new thread and post them - or perhaps I can setup another >>> survey in the (distant) future to capture that data. >>> >>> Here's the list - let me know what needs to be added: >>> >>> *Echoplex Digital Pro >>> Electrix Repeater >>> Line 6 DL-4 >>> Lexicon Jamman >>> Digitech Jamman >>> Kaoss Pad I or II >>> Ableton Live >>> Boomerang (Orig or Plus) >>> Akai Headrush >>> Boss RC-20 (or RC-20XL) >>> Lexicon Vortex >>> Line 6 Echo Pro (Rack) >>> Zoom 2100 >>> Lexicon PCM42 or PCM70 or other >>> Boss DD-3, 5 or 6 >>> Boss DD-20 >>> Boss GT-3, 5, 6 or 8 >>> Digitech RDS 7.6 (or similar, incl PDS series) >>> Max MSP >>> Native Instruments Reaktor >>> Sonic Foundry Acid >>> ZVEX Lofi Loop Junky >>> Lexicon MPX G2 >>> Digitech 2120 or 2112 >>> Eventide Orville, Eclipse (or other) >>> Roland VG8 or VG88 >>> Roland GP100 (or similar) >>> Audiomulch >>> Augustus Loop >>> Mobius >>> Electro Harmonix 16 Second Delay (new or reissue) >>> Radial >>> Ambiloop >>> Maneco Looper (any type) >>> Digitech GNX (any) >>> TC Electronic 2290 Delay >>> DJRND3 (or C-Loops or Peavey Grabber) >>> KYMA >>> TC Electronic D-Two Delay >>> Akai Samplers (any) >>> Roland Samplers (any) >>> Yamaha Samplers (any) >>> Maestro, Roland, Guyatone, etc Tape Echo machine >>> * >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 25 03:28:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B3443BF26; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 03:28:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Wq0WT9G8GioNgKyktMc3RXj9uodq1KoUnLu1aYFUtb25jA2uNvRXz+H/aC6BUTt4; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220051152533324320@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 22:33:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940b7d295d7cc333677e5c9bfb541e5e278350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.135 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 03:28:58 +0000 (UTC) No, I committed a brainfart. I didn't have the pedal in front of me and had a Senior Moment regarding which company name it was under (analagous to the occasional Roland/Boss confusion). Thanks, Tim > [Original Message] > From: Doug Cox > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: 11/24/2005 10:19:39 PM > Subject: Re: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey > > This is the same as a DOD FX94, right? > > I found that and added it to the list already. Please help me confirm - > if they're different, I can list them separately, but would prefer to > group them together if they're the same (or very close to the same). > > Thanks! > > Timothy Mungenast wrote: > > >Digitech DFX-94 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>[Original Message] > >>From: Doug Cox > >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> > >> > > > > > > > >>Date: 11/23/2005 10:33:01 PM > >>Subject: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey > >> > >>Hey Loopers - Happy Thanksgiving to you all. > >> > >>In November of 2003, we did a survey of the LD list members to find out > >>what devices they were using for live looping. It was very informal and > >>pretty disorganized (I think I still have a headache...), but I tallied > >>the results into a spreadsheet and posted a PDF version of those results > >>in the Looper's Delight File Library > >>(http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/). > >> > >>It's now two years later, and I figured it might be time to try it > >>again. This time, we won't clutter up the list (or my brain!) with the > >>responses, but instead I'm preparing an online survey form to capture > >>them. The survey will be anonymous (unlike 2 years ago), but the form > >>WILL use cookies to ensure that surveys are only submitted once. Well, > >>once per computer - but what would really be the point in trying to > >>screw with this survey? :) > >> > >>I'll host the survey, and I give my personal assurances that the data > >>written/read by the cookies will only be used to block multiple > >>submissions. I will NOT provide this information to anyone else, and > >>cannot see the contents of your cookie myself. > >> > >>I've started to prepare the form with the following loopers listed (see > >>bottom). I'll take any suggested additions into the list until > >>Saturday. At that point, I'll post the survey and leave it open for > >>about a month so that we get the maximum number of respondents. > >> > >>You won't be able to "write in" a looper once I post the survey. I will > >>continue to take offline (emailed) requests for off-list loopers after > >>the survey starts, but I will have to add them to the results manually > >>at the end of the survey. So please - take a look at this list and ask > >>me to add anything YOU are using as a looper that is not represented. > >>Part of the fun of this survey is to see what other unusual devices are > >>being used. > >> > >>Finally - last year we had some confusion about what to include in the > >>inventory. Some folks were posting gear that they used for loop > >>*mangling* or pre/post loop effecting. There was also some confusion > >>about "samplers" vs. "live loopers". I propose that: > >> > >>- we do NOT try to inventory effects devices used for per/post loop > >> > >> > >effects > > > > > >>- we do NOT try to inventory units used to playback prerecorded loops or > >>samples > >> > >>Instead, if those things are of interest to others, we can start a new > >>thread and post them - or perhaps I can setup another survey in the > >>(distant) future to capture that data. > >> > >>Here's the list - let me know what needs to be added: > >> > >>*Echoplex Digital Pro > >>Electrix Repeater > >>Line 6 DL-4 > >>Lexicon Jamman > >>Digitech Jamman > >>Kaoss Pad I or II > >>Ableton Live > >>Boomerang (Orig or Plus) > >>Akai Headrush > >>Boss RC-20 (or RC-20XL) > >>Lexicon Vortex > >>Line 6 Echo Pro (Rack) > >>Zoom 2100 > >>Lexicon PCM42 or PCM70 or other > >>Boss DD-3, 5 or 6 > >>Boss DD-20 > >>Boss GT-3, 5, 6 or 8 > >>Digitech RDS 7.6 (or similar, incl PDS series) > >>Max MSP > >>Native Instruments Reaktor > >>Sonic Foundry Acid > >>ZVEX Lofi Loop Junky > >>Lexicon MPX G2 > >>Digitech 2120 or 2112 > >>Eventide Orville, Eclipse (or other) > >>Roland VG8 or VG88 > >>Roland GP100 (or similar) > >>Audiomulch > >>Augustus Loop > >>Mobius > >>Electro Harmonix 16 Second Delay (new or reissue) > >>Radial > >>Ambiloop > >>Maneco Looper (any type) > >>Digitech GNX (any) > >>TC Electronic 2290 Delay > >>DJRND3 (or C-Loops or Peavey Grabber) > >>KYMA > >>TC Electronic D-Two Delay > >>Akai Samplers (any) > >>Roland Samplers (any) > >>Yamaha Samplers (any) > >>Maestro, Roland, Guyatone, etc Tape Echo machine > >>* > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 25 03:41:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D00E83BF11; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 03:41:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=aBGb8V7vj/pbD08UPOiMxnMb1FI9b8Luv8aDJndKFGPD4QduNCX1rTRbQrfC2if4; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220051152534540980@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: yes, DFX Re: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 22:45:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94059949175c5d7cc5491d73a0acb9313f3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.135 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 03:41:15 +0000 (UTC) "There was a DFX98 advertised, but a real life version never made it to the stores." Yes, Ernest, I remember waiting a whole year and bugging my local music store ad nauseum. Lots of catalog stores were be glad to take orders for what turned out to be a phantom product. I called DOD and they said they were hot to build it but their corporate overlords at Harman pulled the plug on the project after fanning the flames for all that time. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Ernest Smith > To: > Date: 11/24/2005 10:26:47 PM > Subject: Re: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey > > The 4 second looping pedal is the DOD DFX94. There is no FX94, AFAIK. > There was a DFX98 advertised, but a real life version never made it > to the stores. > On Nov 24, 2005, at 10:19 PM, Doug Cox wrote: > > > This is the same as a DOD FX94, right? > > > > I found that and added it to the list already. Please help me > > confirm - if they're different, I can list them separately, but > > would prefer to group them together if they're the same (or very > > close to the same). > > > > Thanks! > > > > Timothy Mungenast wrote: > > > > > >> Digitech DFX-94 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> [Original Message] > >>> From: Doug Cox > >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >>> Date: 11/23/2005 10:33:01 PM > >>> Subject: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey > >>> > >>> Hey Loopers - Happy Thanksgiving to you all. > >>> > >>> In November of 2003, we did a survey of the LD list members to > >>> find out what devices they were using for live looping. It was > >>> very informal and pretty disorganized (I think I still have a > >>> headache...), but I tallied the results into a spreadsheet and > >>> posted a PDF version of those results in the Looper's Delight > >>> File Library (http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/). > >>> > >>> It's now two years later, and I figured it might be time to try > >>> it again. This time, we won't clutter up the list (or my brain!) > >>> with the responses, but instead I'm preparing an online survey > >>> form to capture them. The survey will be anonymous (unlike 2 > >>> years ago), but the form WILL use cookies to ensure that surveys > >>> are only submitted once. Well, once per computer - but what > >>> would really be the point in trying to screw with this survey? :) > >>> > >>> I'll host the survey, and I give my personal assurances that the > >>> data written/read by the cookies will only be used to block > >>> multiple submissions. I will NOT provide this information to > >>> anyone else, and cannot see the contents of your cookie myself. > >>> > >>> I've started to prepare the form with the following loopers > >>> listed (see bottom). I'll take any suggested additions into the > >>> list until Saturday. At that point, I'll post the survey and > >>> leave it open for about a month so that we get the maximum number > >>> of respondents. > >>> > >>> You won't be able to "write in" a looper once I post the survey. > >>> I will continue to take offline (emailed) requests for off-list > >>> loopers after the survey starts, but I will have to add them to > >>> the results manually at the end of the survey. So please - take > >>> a look at this list and ask me to add anything YOU are using as a > >>> looper that is not represented. Part of the fun of this survey > >>> is to see what other unusual devices are being used. > >>> > >>> Finally - last year we had some confusion about what to include > >>> in the inventory. Some folks were posting gear that they used > >>> for loop *mangling* or pre/post loop effecting. There was also > >>> some confusion about "samplers" vs. "live loopers". I propose that: > >>> > >>> - we do NOT try to inventory effects devices used for per/post loop > >>> > >>> > >> effects > >> > >> > >>> - we do NOT try to inventory units used to playback prerecorded > >>> loops or samples > >>> > >>> Instead, if those things are of interest to others, we can start > >>> a new thread and post them - or perhaps I can setup another > >>> survey in the (distant) future to capture that data. > >>> > >>> Here's the list - let me know what needs to be added: > >>> > >>> *Echoplex Digital Pro > >>> Electrix Repeater > >>> Line 6 DL-4 > >>> Lexicon Jamman > >>> Digitech Jamman > >>> Kaoss Pad I or II > >>> Ableton Live > >>> Boomerang (Orig or Plus) > >>> Akai Headrush > >>> Boss RC-20 (or RC-20XL) > >>> Lexicon Vortex > >>> Line 6 Echo Pro (Rack) > >>> Zoom 2100 > >>> Lexicon PCM42 or PCM70 or other > >>> Boss DD-3, 5 or 6 > >>> Boss DD-20 > >>> Boss GT-3, 5, 6 or 8 > >>> Digitech RDS 7.6 (or similar, incl PDS series) > >>> Max MSP > >>> Native Instruments Reaktor > >>> Sonic Foundry Acid > >>> ZVEX Lofi Loop Junky > >>> Lexicon MPX G2 > >>> Digitech 2120 or 2112 > >>> Eventide Orville, Eclipse (or other) > >>> Roland VG8 or VG88 > >>> Roland GP100 (or similar) > >>> Audiomulch > >>> Augustus Loop > >>> Mobius > >>> Electro Harmonix 16 Second Delay (new or reissue) > >>> Radial > >>> Ambiloop > >>> Maneco Looper (any type) > >>> Digitech GNX (any) > >>> TC Electronic 2290 Delay > >>> DJRND3 (or C-Loops or Peavey Grabber) > >>> KYMA > >>> TC Electronic D-Two Delay > >>> Akai Samplers (any) > >>> Roland Samplers (any) > >>> Yamaha Samplers (any) > >>> Maestro, Roland, Guyatone, etc Tape Echo machine > >>> * > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 25 09:10:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DB313BEF9; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:10:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20051125083255.027ee670@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:08:18 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Bills Tonelab Joy, into EDP FLIP mode sales pitch In-Reply-To: <20051125005536.BF9343BEF7@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051125005536.BF9343BEF7@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:10:52 +0000 (UTC) >ability to assign an expression pedal to >control the amount of signal being sent to the looper, and how this might be >a feature unique to the tonelab. Hi Bill, the EDP had this feature in the old LOOP3 software in DELay mode. (as used by Eberhard Weber, for exactly the sort of thing you describe) ...and with loop4(current) software there's an INPut mode which does simply takes the basic EDP Loop Mode and changes the expression pedal to do the loop-input-volume. The EDP also has an interesting variation called FLIP Mode, which allows you to crossfade the Input with the stuff in the loop here's a demo to make it obvious how it works, http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/andybutler/edp/flipdemo.mp3 and here's a snip from my "livelooping" cd which shows it in a (slightly) more musical contex http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/andybutler/edp/gargoyle-ex.mp3 please, someone else use FLIp mode, Matthias sweated blood to program that into Loop4, it's really not so hard to use, and it's great for mutating a loop while you play along to it. allows you to build a loop with dj crossfades from one rhythm to another, and it lets you keep working on a loop forever without building up loads of overdubs andy butler www.andybutler.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 25 12:41:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11AC73BEF9; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 12:41:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3A7A00D2-A863-45FA-BB47-6BE58FA85A2F@comcast.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Raymond Lee Barnes, III." Subject: Re: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 07:40:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 12:41:18 +0000 (UTC) Hey there, Yes, saw Robert Fripp doing this (couldn't make out the equipment) a few months back, when he opened for Porcupine Tree at the 9:30 Club. I've done this with a Boomerang (which recently met its demise), a Boss Digital Delay pedal, and a volume pedal (going in reverse order from the guitar or other instrument). In some cases, using the volume pot on the guitar itself, and doing something more akin to what Steve Rothery was doing on the Marillion album, "Misplaced Childhood." Have to agree, it is a very cool effect! Lee On Nov 24, 2005, at 6:56 PM, stanley card wrote: > on 11/24/05 5:36 PM, William Walker at billwalker@baymoon.com wrote: > Hi Bill-great trick... > only seen it done by David Gilmour on his live dvd 'in concert'. > he is playing 'shine on you crazy diamond' solo acoustic and for > the solos > he would swell in a chord w/ a volped and that goes to a long delay > (which > eventually does fades out) and he would play single notes over the > chord...it sounds really pristine and cool. > dont know if what he is doing is really looping 'cause its in 'delay' > mode... > seeya > stannee > > >> I have recently discovered some new tricks for the hold delay >> function on >> the Vox Tonelab floorboard. Because this is truly a hold delay... > Has anyone >> out there tried this with an EDP, Repeater DL4, etc? >> Bill >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] >> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 7:33 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey >> >> >> Hey Loopers - Happy Thanksgiving to you all. >> >> In November of 2003, we did a survey of the LD list members to >> find out >> what devices they were using for live looping. It was very >> informal and >> pretty disorganized (I think I still have a headache...), but I >> tallied >> the results into a spreadsheet and posted a PDF version of those >> results >> in the Looper's Delight File Library >> (http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/). >> >> It's now two years later, and I figured it might be time to try it >> again. This time, we won't clutter up the list (or my brain!) >> with the >> responses, but instead I'm preparing an online survey form to capture >> them. The survey will be anonymous (unlike 2 years ago), but the >> form >> WILL use cookies to ensure that surveys are only submitted once. >> Well, >> once per computer - but what would really be the point in trying to >> screw with this survey? :) >> >> I'll host the survey, and I give my personal assurances that the data >> written/read by the cookies will only be used to block multiple >> submissions. I will NOT provide this information to anyone else, and >> cannot see the contents of your cookie myself. >> >> I've started to prepare the form with the following loopers listed >> (see >> bottom). I'll take any suggested additions into the list until >> Saturday. At that point, I'll post the survey and leave it open for >> about a month so that we get the maximum number of respondents. >> >> You won't be able to "write in" a looper once I post the survey. >> I will >> continue to take offline (emailed) requests for off-list loopers >> after >> the survey starts, but I will have to add them to the results >> manually >> at the end of the survey. So please - take a look at this list >> and ask >> me to add anything YOU are using as a looper that is not represented. >> Part of the fun of this survey is to see what other unusual >> devices are >> being used. >> >> Finally - last year we had some confusion about what to include in >> the >> inventory. Some folks were posting gear that they used for loop >> *mangling* or pre/post loop effecting. There was also some confusion >> about "samplers" vs. "live loopers". I propose that: >> >> - we do NOT try to inventory effects devices used for per/post >> loop effects >> - we do NOT try to inventory units used to playback prerecorded >> loops or >> samples >> >> Instead, if those things are of interest to others, we can start a >> new >> thread and post them - or perhaps I can setup another survey in the >> (distant) future to capture that data. >> >> Here's the list - let me know what needs to be added: >> >> *Echoplex Digital Pro >> Electrix Repeater >> Line 6 DL-4 >> Lexicon Jamman >> Digitech Jamman >> Kaoss Pad I or II >> Ableton Live >> Boomerang (Orig or Plus) >> Akai Headrush >> Boss RC-20 (or RC-20XL) >> Lexicon Vortex >> Line 6 Echo Pro (Rack) >> Zoom 2100 >> Lexicon PCM42 or PCM70 or other >> Boss DD-3, 5 or 6 >> Boss DD-20 >> Boss GT-3, 5, 6 or 8 >> Digitech RDS 7.6 (or similar, incl PDS series) >> Max MSP >> Native Instruments Reaktor >> Sonic Foundry Acid >> ZVEX Lofi Loop Junky >> Lexicon MPX G2 >> Digitech 2120 or 2112 >> Eventide Orville, Eclipse (or other) >> Roland VG8 or VG88 >> Roland GP100 (or similar) >> Audiomulch >> Augustus Loop >> Mobius >> Electro Harmonix 16 Second Delay (new or reissue) >> Radial >> Ambiloop >> Maneco Looper (any type) >> Digitech GNX (any) >> TC Electronic 2290 Delay >> DJRND3 (or C-Loops or Peavey Grabber) >> KYMA >> TC Electronic D-Two Delay >> Akai Samplers (any) >> Roland Samplers (any) >> Yamaha Samplers (any) >> Maestro, Roland, Guyatone, etc Tape Echo machine >> * >> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 25 13:16:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12D493BF07; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:16:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-71.messagelabs.com!1132924612!32735655!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8B37@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Stereo Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:16:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5F1C2.7E91A1F0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:16:55 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5F1C2.7E91A1F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Respectfully, stereo is indeed an artificial construct, no matter how well or poorly it imitates the tendency of animal sensory organs to come in twos. Recorded music intends to place all the sound in a two-dimensional array that does not represent at all the ways in which we personally experience "live" sound.<< stereo is a natural phenomenon, badly imitated by contemporary recording & distribution techniques, that typically use only the level & not the phase component to locate something in a stereo panorama. several attempts have been made to record rock music using "accurate" techniqes- most notably, for my money, joe jackson's efforts in the early 80s.... "body & soul", I think it was. that's not to say that recordings can't be convincing &/or dramatic with the use of panning, artificial space & close-miking techniques. surround sound is necessary because the altered frequency response of the ear to sounds from behind the listener are different for every individual, & can't be convincingly reproduced with standard two-channel equipment. I could go on for hours..... d. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5F1C2.7E91A1F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Stereo

    >>Respectfully, stereo is indeed an artificial = construct, no matter how
    well or poorly it imitates the tendency of animal = sensory organs to
    come in twos. Recorded music intends to place all = the sound in a
    two-dimensional array that does not represent at all = the ways in which
    we personally experience "live" = sound.<<

    stereo is a natural phenomenon, badly imitated by = contemporary recording & distribution techniques, that typically = use only the level & not the phase component to locate something in = a stereo panorama.

    several attempts have been made to record rock music = using "accurate" techniqes- most notably, for my money, joe = jackson's efforts in the early 80s.... "body & soul", I = think it was.

    that's not to say that recordings can't be convincing = &/or dramatic with the use of panning, artificial space & = close-miking techniques.

    surround sound is necessary because the altered = frequency response of the ear to sounds from behind the listener are = different for every individual, & can't be convincingly reproduced = with standard two-channel equipment.

    I could go on for hours.....

    d.

    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5F1C2.7E91A1F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 25 16:12:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95AE73BEDB; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:12:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Bills Tonelab Joy, into EDP FLIP mode sales pitch Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 08:11:59 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20051125083255.027ee670@tiscali.co.uk> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <5H3QZB.A.5tE.QfzhDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:12:00 +0000 (UTC) cool, I got to get git me one of them thar thangs. Bill -----Original Message----- From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 1:08 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bills Tonelab Joy, into EDP FLIP mode sales pitch >ability to assign an expression pedal to >control the amount of signal being sent to the looper, and how this might be >a feature unique to the tonelab. Hi Bill, the EDP had this feature in the old LOOP3 software in DELay mode. (as used by Eberhard Weber, for exactly the sort of thing you describe) ...and with loop4(current) software there's an INPut mode which does simply takes the basic EDP Loop Mode and changes the expression pedal to do the loop-input-volume. The EDP also has an interesting variation called FLIP Mode, which allows you to crossfade the Input with the stuff in the loop here's a demo to make it obvious how it works, http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/andybutler/edp/flipdemo.mp3 and here's a snip from my "livelooping" cd which shows it in a (slightly) more musical contex http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/andybutler/edp/gargoyle-ex.mp3 please, someone else use FLIp mode, Matthias sweated blood to program that into Loop4, it's really not so hard to use, and it's great for mutating a loop while you play along to it. allows you to build a loop with dj crossfades from one rhythm to another, and it lets you keep working on a loop forever without building up loads of overdubs andy butler www.andybutler.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 25 18:47:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65FA13BED0; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 18:47:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [81.77.48.106] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth.whitcock" To: References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8B37@lon-oxmail02> Subject: Re: Stereo Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 18:47:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0042_01C5F1F0.A15674D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 18:47:26 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C5F1F0.A15674D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Stereo Didn't Pearl Jam do a binaural album? Gareth stereo is a natural phenomenon, badly imitated by contemporary = recording & distribution techniques, that typically use only the level & = not the phase component to locate something in a stereo panorama. several attempts have been made to record rock music using "accurate" = techniqes- most notably, for my money, joe jackson's efforts in the = early 80s.... "body & soul", I think it was.=20 that's not to say that recordings can't be convincing &/or dramatic = with the use of panning, artificial space & close-miking techniques. surround sound is necessary because the altered frequency response of = the ear to sounds from behind the listener are different for every = individual, & can't be convincingly reproduced with standard two-channel = equipment. I could go on for hours.....=20 d.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C5F1F0.A15674D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Stereo
     
    Didn't Pearl Jam do a binaural = album?
     
    Gareth

    stereo is a natural phenomenon, badly imitated by = contemporary=20 recording & distribution techniques, that typically use only the = level=20 & not the phase component to locate something in a stereo=20 panorama.

    several attempts have been made to record rock music = using=20 "accurate" techniqes- most notably, for my money, joe jackson's = efforts in the=20 early 80s.... "body & soul", I think it was.

    that's not to say that recordings can't be = convincing &/or=20 dramatic with the use of panning, artificial space & close-miking=20 techniques.

    surround sound is necessary because the altered = frequency=20 response of the ear to sounds from behind the listener are different = for every=20 individual, & can't be convincingly reproduced with standard = two-channel=20 equipment.

    I could go on for hours.....

    d.

    ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C5F1F0.A15674D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 25 18:53:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2016E3BEE6; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 18:53:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jvUaYOMN2gpyLM28jyemC79kCdxuJgkjO45NaFO2Q0GjuO0zSd0a6+RQkeAdA69Ye6dQWODmShFtxeauzFnuKXubL/SJAZTLJ658A4x8EQm04pl42sZ4jd1rEyk/rhUx+thN5/cd9XHJuL8chpBtzUoEHbQxxDoz5FI/t9PY/Z4= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:53:20 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stereo In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8B37@lon-oxmail02> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 18:53:22 +0000 (UTC) It was just named that, I don't believe it was recorded binaurally. TravisH On 11/25/05, gareth.whitcock wrote: > > > > Didn't Pearl Jam do a binaural album? > > Gareth > > stereo is a natural phenomenon, badly imitated by contemporary recording = & > distribution techniques, that typically use only the level & not the phas= e > component to locate something in a stereo panorama. > > several attempts have been made to record rock music using "accurate" > techniqes- most notably, for my money, joe jackson's efforts in the early > 80s.... "body & soul", I think it was. > > that's not to say that recordings can't be convincing &/or dramatic with = the > use of panning, artificial space & close-miking techniques. > > surround sound is necessary because the altered frequency response of the > ear to sounds from behind the listener are different for every individual= , & > can't be convincingly reproduced with standard two-channel equipment. > > I could go on for hours..... > > d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 25 18:59:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B28993BEE7; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 18:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZECXEfDDIwlDxvzaBLfRU61srPtjO/qrdVTWou4qGoKgMCQX5ihb9SpqG1GH06+LTYbOkBlylVRiKIBoR8NWzjtA1/pOe5u1ZMKyCdUWcF8/eLNi17scLEj257PTIEPintHvZu5nQcYLVdsq1Z3mBySNWmi0TZ/JgKiQ4IJ/QB8= Message-ID: <64b81a780511251059t7b5717b1x56bf253d7429cd1e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:59:20 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New loop tool, sort of..stereo In-Reply-To: <64b81a780511222224v416d7ca3m5c7333b89fd1290f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <2ab9fc770511220823r8695f45hf8736f61ae74b701@mail.gmail.com> <64b81a780511222224v416d7ca3m5c7333b89fd1290f@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 18:59:21 +0000 (UTC) I think I found that Scientific American article if anyone is interested. Unfortunately it's archived on their pay-to-download section, though knowing which issue it's in may make it accessible at your local library. Eventually I'll get around to digging through my back issues to take a look for myself, but for the time being, I'm 90% sure that's the article. Enjoy, Todd On 11/23/05, Todd Pafford wrote: > I read an interesting article a couple of years back in Scientific > American about a guy who was working on analyzing and modelling the > way our ears locate sound. I recall there being a good description > about the way in which the asymetrical shapes of our ears allow us to > place sound in 360 degrees based on minute differences in timing, > timbre, phase, etc between the sounds reaching each ear. Taking this > information, some fancy math, and fast computers he was able to > deliver a 360 degree sound field from just two speakers. Or he was > trying at any rate. If I recall correctly, the system was real touchy > regarding speaker and listener positioning. Can't help but wonder > whether he ever succeeded. I'll see if I can't dig up more info on > the article in case anyone is interested. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 25 19:00:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23C643BEEC; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:00:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-10.tower-83.messagelabs.com!1132945216!31126817!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8B47@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:00:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5F1F2.78BA44A0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:00:19 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5F1F2.78BA44A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Has anyone out there tried this with an EDP, Repeater DL4, etc?<< yes- in fact, I posted to that effect a long time back. I used a dl4 & volume pedal in order to create some attackless sounds from a keyboard I was sampling. the dl4 was on one of it's cleaner settings- probably the digital delay with no modulation, & with the repeats turned up so as to sustain for a long time. then I "bowed" the keyboard into it using the volume pedal (gently fading it back out when the repeat came around) & filled up the delay time, before pressing "go" on the sampler. I found that if you carry on filling the delay up (i.e. "overdub" your first pass) without letting things get out of hand, it effectively removes many, but not all, of the quirks & characteristics of the original sound that would make it hard to loop in a sampler (especially for keyboard playback- there's nothing worse that a warble or something that only reveals itself when you stray from the "root" note you sampled). you get a nice thick sample too, without too much chorussing happening (another sampler giveaway). as a musical effect in it's own right, it's something that the /original/ jamman (we have to write that every time now, yes?) does very well in it's echo mode, on 15 or 16. with sustained sounds into the repeater, one is almost obliged to do something like this because of the bump. the repeater reminds me of the wem copycat in this respect.... :-) how many of us use the repeater as a long delay sometimes? i.e. turn the overdub down or even off, & use a mixer to control the feedback. it's quite good. if you make the first loop a silent one & then start building things up, there's no bump either. duncan. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5F1F2.78BA44A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey

    >>Has anyone out there tried this with an EDP, = Repeater DL4, etc?<<

    yes- in fact, I posted to that effect a long time = back. I used a dl4 & volume pedal in order to create some = attackless sounds from a keyboard I was sampling. the dl4 was on one of = it's cleaner settings- probably the digital delay with no modulation, = & with the repeats turned up so as to sustain for a long time. then = I "bowed" the keyboard into it using the volume pedal (gently = fading it back out when the repeat came around) & filled up the = delay time, before pressing "go" on the sampler.

    I found that if you carry on filling the delay up = (i.e. "overdub" your first pass) without letting things get = out of hand, it effectively removes many, but not all, of the quirks = & characteristics of the original sound that would make it hard to = loop in a sampler (especially for keyboard playback- there's nothing = worse that a warble or something that only reveals itself when you = stray from the "root" note you sampled). you get a nice thick = sample too, without too much chorussing happening (another sampler = giveaway).

    as a musical effect in it's own right, it's something = that the /original/ jamman (we have to write that every time now, yes?) = does very well in it's echo mode, on 15 or 16.

    with sustained sounds into the repeater, one is = almost obliged to do something like this because of the bump. the = repeater reminds me of the wem copycat in this respect.... = :-)

    how many of us use the repeater as a long delay = sometimes? i.e. turn the overdub down or even off, & use a mixer to = control the feedback. it's quite good. if you make the first loop a = silent one & then start building things up, there's no bump = either.

    duncan.

    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5F1F2.78BA44A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 25 19:08:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2141A3BEE7; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:08:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ftOG98/QB9YBBA1bE2oPxpgB6lKCDHFPqz9xd7dkBDvAA8tUAxdJFlTinIHT7SnmKBm+nfzO346LGoSTd/c30HTyRT78K5hhUneq1IdiKYqH2jW26utEu6BQz3801ot7K17vhn0DmtocyDLWjwKdemdA8jIyfcjer+qeJJlkNg8= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:08:05 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8B47@lon-oxmail02> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8B47@lon-oxmail02> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:08:07 +0000 (UTC) I believe there was also a Vortex patch that would do the same thing (allow you to control the delay input via control pedal). TravisH On 11/25/05, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > > >>Has anyone out there tried this with an EDP, Repeater DL4, etc?<< > > yes- in fact, I posted to that effect a long time back. I used a dl4 & > volume pedal in order to create some attackless sounds from a keyboard I = was > sampling. the dl4 was on one of it's cleaner settings- probably the digit= al > delay with no modulation, & with the repeats turned up so as to sustain f= or > a long time. then I "bowed" the keyboard into it using the volume pedal > (gently fading it back out when the repeat came around) & filled up the > delay time, before pressing "go" on the sampler. > > I found that if you carry on filling the delay up (i.e. "overdub" your fi= rst > pass) without letting things get out of hand, it effectively removes many= , > but not all, of the quirks & characteristics of the original sound that > would make it hard to loop in a sampler (especially for keyboard playback= - > there's nothing worse that a warble or something that only reveals itself > when you stray from the "root" note you sampled). you get a nice thick > sample too, without too much chorussing happening (another sampler > giveaway). > > as a musical effect in it's own right, it's something that the /original/ > jamman (we have to write that every time now, yes?) does very well in it'= s > echo mode, on 15 or 16. > > with sustained sounds into the repeater, one is almost obliged to do > something like this because of the bump. the repeater reminds me of the w= em > copycat in this respect.... :-) > > how many of us use the repeater as a long delay sometimes? i.e. turn the > overdub down or even off, & use a mixer to control the feedback. it's qui= te > good. if you make the first loop a silent one & then start building thing= s > up, there's no bump either. > > duncan. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 26 00:34:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AC0E3BECD; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:34:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4387AD9D.6040503@pdq.net> Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 18:34:37 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: The 2005 Looper's Survey ...begins... NOW! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:34:36 +0000 (UTC) I've found a simple way to allow respondents to include any devices that they use that are not listed, so I've decided to go ahead and start this thing... LET THE SURVEY BEGIN. http://loopsurvey.uncledig.com It should be fairly self explanatory, and there is a preamble that might answer any questions. Then again, maybe not - so if you have a problem or a question, feel free to email me privately. I'll provide some intermediate statistics after a few weeks, and will leave the survey open for a couple of months. Last time we had almost 100 respondents. I'm also inviting the people at Harmony Central's Guitar Effects forum, so perhaps we'll have a bigger population this time around. There's a link to my blog once you finish the survey. It's new and kinda ragged at this point (and still no sound clips - I slack!), but you are invited to come take a look around if you have a few extra minutes of click time. Please come by and let yourself be counted. http://loopsurvey.uncledig.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 26 01:26:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E65B83BECD; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 01:26:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=EZKVCfiECiyEEguDLg0Rfh/c1asWSeyx7URQB9Z52X+qcBP3ZX4GrbizZ3H9hdNQ; h=Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type:Content-transfer-encoding:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 17:25:48 -0700 Subject: Re: The 2005 Looper's Survey ...begins... NOW! From: stanley card To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4387AD9D.6040503@pdq.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48c02bae965aa0f7c89621372f045f3336cf2db02f6bc5f712350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.247.213.5 Resent-Message-ID: <3cu1fD.A.RwB.-m7hDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 01:26:22 +0000 (UTC) one thing...under the Electro Harmonix 16SEC DDL-You have ("new or reissue"). shouldnt it be 'new or old'? jus askin... :-) s (i know...pickee pickee) on 11/25/05 5:34 PM, Doug Cox at dougcox@pdq.net wrote: > I've found a simple way to allow respondents to include any devices that > they use that are not listed, so I've decided to go ahead and start this > thing... > LET THE SURVEY BEGIN. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 26 01:50:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7A103BEDB; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 01:50:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=PTWZxdbx3cIvxE2GA+Xg2rBa7MDdJjuyjzohQ1JILEeBVfGKZVop61libc/K+bM+; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220051162615453730@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boomerang didn't come back, just kept flying Re: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 20:54:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94095684585111f3d3e0d865a45508cd9e7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.120 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 01:50:26 +0000 (UTC) "a Boomerang (which recently met its demise)," Oh, dear, I'm sorry. May I ask how it died? I can kinda/sorta/almost understand a cheap digital watch crapping out after a few years, but a nice piece of equipment that costs nearly $500?? Wow. I am sympathetic and appalled all at once. ~Tim "And it really didn't have to stop...it just kept on going." ---Jimi Hendrix > [Original Message] > From: Raymond Lee Barnes, III. > To: > Date: 11/25/2005 7:41:18 AM > Subject: Re: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey > > Hey there, > > Yes, saw Robert Fripp doing this (couldn't make out the equipment) a > few months back, when he opened for Porcupine Tree at the 9:30 Club. > > I've done this with a Boomerang (which recently met its demise), a > Boss Digital Delay pedal, and a volume pedal (going in reverse order > from the guitar or other instrument). In some cases, using the > volume pot on the guitar itself, and doing something more akin to > what Steve Rothery was doing on the Marillion album, "Misplaced > Childhood." > > Have to agree, it is a very cool effect! > > > Lee > > > > On Nov 24, 2005, at 6:56 PM, stanley card wrote: > > > on 11/24/05 5:36 PM, William Walker at billwalker@baymoon.com wrote: > > Hi Bill-great trick... > > only seen it done by David Gilmour on his live dvd 'in concert'. > > he is playing 'shine on you crazy diamond' solo acoustic and for > > the solos > > he would swell in a chord w/ a volped and that goes to a long delay > > (which > > eventually does fades out) and he would play single notes over the > > chord...it sounds really pristine and cool. > > dont know if what he is doing is really looping 'cause its in 'delay' > > mode... > > seeya > > stannee > > > > > >> I have recently discovered some new tricks for the hold delay > >> function on > >> the Vox Tonelab floorboard. Because this is truly a hold delay... > > Has anyone > >> out there tried this with an EDP, Repeater DL4, etc? > >> Bill > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Doug Cox [mailto:dougcox@pdq.net] > >> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 7:33 PM > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: It's that time again! 2005 Biennial Looper's Survey > >> > >> > >> Hey Loopers - Happy Thanksgiving to you all. > >> > >> In November of 2003, we did a survey of the LD list members to > >> find out > >> what devices they were using for live looping. It was very > >> informal and > >> pretty disorganized (I think I still have a headache...), but I > >> tallied > >> the results into a spreadsheet and posted a PDF version of those > >> results > >> in the Looper's Delight File Library > >> (http://www.loopers-delight.com/files/). > >> > >> It's now two years later, and I figured it might be time to try it > >> again. This time, we won't clutter up the list (or my brain!) > >> with the > >> responses, but instead I'm preparing an online survey form to capture > >> them. The survey will be anonymous (unlike 2 years ago), but the > >> form > >> WILL use cookies to ensure that surveys are only submitted once. > >> Well, > >> once per computer - but what would really be the point in trying to > >> screw with this survey? :) > >> > >> I'll host the survey, and I give my personal assurances that the data > >> written/read by the cookies will only be used to block multiple > >> submissions. I will NOT provide this information to anyone else, and > >> cannot see the contents of your cookie myself. > >> > >> I've started to prepare the form with the following loopers listed > >> (see > >> bottom). I'll take any suggested additions into the list until > >> Saturday. At that point, I'll post the survey and leave it open for > >> about a month so that we get the maximum number of respondents. > >> > >> You won't be able to "write in" a looper once I post the survey. > >> I will > >> continue to take offline (emailed) requests for off-list loopers > >> after > >> the survey starts, but I will have to add them to the results > >> manually > >> at the end of the survey. So please - take a look at this list > >> and ask > >> me to add anything YOU are using as a looper that is not represented. > >> Part of the fun of this survey is to see what other unusual > >> devices are > >> being used. > >> > >> Finally - last year we had some confusion about what to include in > >> the > >> inventory. Some folks were posting gear that they used for loop > >> *mangling* or pre/post loop effecting. There was also some confusion > >> about "samplers" vs. "live loopers". I propose that: > >> > >> - we do NOT try to inventory effects devices used for per/post > >> loop effects > >> - we do NOT try to inventory units used to playback prerecorded > >> loops or > >> samples > >> > >> Instead, if those things are of interest to others, we can start a > >> new > >> thread and post them - or perhaps I can setup another survey in the > >> (distant) future to capture that data. > >> > >> Here's the list - let me know what needs to be added: > >> > >> *Echoplex Digital Pro > >> Electrix Repeater > >> Line 6 DL-4 > >> Lexicon Jamman > >> Digitech Jamman > >> Kaoss Pad I or II > >> Ableton Live > >> Boomerang (Orig or Plus) > >> Akai Headrush > >> Boss RC-20 (or RC-20XL) > >> Lexicon Vortex > >> Line 6 Echo Pro (Rack) > >> Zoom 2100 > >> Lexicon PCM42 or PCM70 or other > >> Boss DD-3, 5 or 6 > >> Boss DD-20 > >> Boss GT-3, 5, 6 or 8 > >> Digitech RDS 7.6 (or similar, incl PDS series) > >> Max MSP > >> Native Instruments Reaktor > >> Sonic Foundry Acid > >> ZVEX Lofi Loop Junky > >> Lexicon MPX G2 > >> Digitech 2120 or 2112 > >> Eventide Orville, Eclipse (or other) > >> Roland VG8 or VG88 > >> Roland GP100 (or similar) > >> Audiomulch > >> Augustus Loop > >> Mobius > >> Electro Harmonix 16 Second Delay (new or reissue) > >> Radial > >> Ambiloop > >> Maneco Looper (any type) > >> Digitech GNX (any) > >> TC Electronic 2290 Delay > >> DJRND3 (or C-Loops or Peavey Grabber) > >> KYMA > >> TC Electronic D-Two Delay > >> Akai Samplers (any) > >> Roland Samplers (any) > >> Yamaha Samplers (any) > >> Maestro, Roland, Guyatone, etc Tape Echo machine > >> * > >> > >> > >> > >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 26 02:21:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C39F3BECF; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 02:21:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4387C6A2.4020102@pdq.net> Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 20:21:22 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The 2005 Looper's Survey ...begins... NOW! References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <22WM7C.A.XDD.ga8hDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 02:21:20 +0000 (UTC) Oh my GAWD. You're right! Thanks for the heads up. Maybe I should just put: (the good one or the bad one) :) Doug stanley card wrote: >one thing...under the Electro Harmonix 16SEC DDL-You have ("new or >reissue"). shouldnt it be 'new or old'? >jus askin... :-) >s >(i know...pickee pickee) > > > >on 11/25/05 5:34 PM, Doug Cox at dougcox@pdq.net wrote: > > >>I've found a simple way to allow respondents to include any devices that >>they use that are not listed, so I've decided to go ahead and start this >>thing... >>LET THE SURVEY BEGIN. >> >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 26 05:01:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 304433BED0; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 05:01:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <246.21ff876.30b9462f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:01:35 EST Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20The=202005=20Looper's=20Survey=A0=20...begi?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ns...=A0=A0=20NOW!?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_246.21ff876.30b9462f_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 05:01:42 +0000 (UTC) --part1_246.21ff876.30b9462f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/25/05 7:34:56 PM, dougcox@pdq.net writes: > http://loopsurvey.uncledig.com > wowiezowie....."one man one oat!".....thanks doug!.....:)m --part1_246.21ff876.30b9462f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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    wowiezowie....."one man one oat!".....thanks doug!.....:)m     --part1_246.21ff876.30b9462f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 26 05:08:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8ACDD3BECD; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 05:08:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <23964984.1132784897999.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <23964984.1132784897999.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <86457A20-5E3A-11DA-BC31-0050E4F9B429@finleysound.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Matt McCabe Subject: Re: sad day Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 21:07:21 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1762721012 X-Authenticated-User: finleysound@fastermac.net X-SpamDetect: *: 1.100000 Content: cid=171(1.0) =1.0,Poly=0.1 X-NotAscii: charset=us-ascii; X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=30, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 66.248.87.127 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 05:08:57 +0000 (UTC) I too was saddened and shocked to learn of Chris' death. He was truly a wonderful musician and songwriter. On Nov 23, 2005, at 2:28 PM, Todd Howell wrote: > Friends > > Chris always embodied a sense of mystery and atmosphere in all of his > songs. His voice will be missed. > > Todd > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: monk > Sent: Nov 23, 2005 5:03 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: sad day > > i don't know if there are any chris whitley fans here. but he died at > the tragically young age of 45 last weekend. > > > www.chriswhitley.com > > > > > --- King Never http://www.finleysound.com/kingnever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 26 05:37:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C85273BED0; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 05:37:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002401c5f24b$b99bed80$85b85545@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: <20051125005536.BF9343BEF7@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051125083255.027ee670@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Testing... Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 21:39:08 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 05:37:04 +0000 (UTC) testing, testing... please ignore. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 26 08:08:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 320FF3BED2; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 08:08:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20051126000226.09db5280@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:09:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: [NEW RELEASE] Looper's Delight Compilation Volume 3 In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 08:08:59 +0000 (UTC) At 06:54 AM 11/23/2005, Sunao Inami wrote: >Hi LD list, > >A new release information. >Finally, Looper's Delight Compilation Volume 3 will release on 1st >December 2005. I'm really thrilled to see this project come together. I can't wait to hear it! The list of artists on this volume is really exciting. It represents a nice cross section of the different artists and personalities who make Looper's Delight a great community. It has been a while since the last Looper's Delight Compilation CD was made. Thanks a lot Sunao, for your excellent effort organizing Volume 3! Producing this type of CD is a difficult job. I (and I'm sure everybody else here) really appreciate your efforts. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 26 09:25:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CE323BECA; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:25:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=l/iwqqXnAnIj1i2Ieoa6IF8M6T+5IxaThiTD6XokD2+cpVpRW5/TJvBT+q4sty+R82Ym3TOYfZjmskXD67taGl2CvbchdFQbEAC5dURukob6HbzKpY+Cv805dOm7U0gh1CgBfXRbtynW81+6m94fmBGV++Emfstvrf2yNMrhY24= ; Message-ID: <20051126092502.24945.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 01:25:02 -0800 (PST) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: looping turntablist Christian Marclay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001c01c5f155$f132f550$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:25:03 +0000 (UTC) Hey Rick, I had a jam session quite sometime ago with Jesus Turiño and Pelayo Arrizabalaga in Luzern who did similar things,picking loops by sticking scotch tape spontaneously out of old records,really cool and it was a wonderful night! http://www.experimentaclub.com/data/pelayo_arrizabalaga/#fot Luis --- "loop.pool" wrote: > Interesting snippet of an interview with the avante > garde turntablist, > Christian Marclay > > "PSF: How did you pick out which records would be > used? > CM: They were just thrift store records --I never > spent more than a dollar > on a record. It was just junk, and I would stick > things on them to MAKE THEM > LOOP (sic). I even used an old wind-up gramophone > that I found in the > garbage. It was also at MassArt that I found these > great turntables > (Califone) that I've been using ever since. They > used to be in every > school's audio-visual department for instructional > presentations. " > > Wonderfully creative and thought provoking > interview. > > http://www.furious.com/perfect/christianmarclay.html > > Does anyone, perchance know if he was the > experimental turntablist who was > featured on that amazing music variety show Night > Music that David Sanborn > hosted in the late 80's-early 90's? > I saw an artist who used colored wax and multiple > turntables to create these > wonderful and strange looping pieces of music. > The needle would jump over the was and then loop > back to it's original > position. > I've been googling for an hour looking for who this > person was. Dr. Z. > would have emailed me back in 10 minutes if he were > here with five > URLS........ :-( > Happy Turkey (or Vegan Roll) day everyone!!! > Rick > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 26 10:34:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A76DC3BECD; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:34:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Luigi Meloni" To: Subject: O.T. Problems with Cubase sx 3 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:34:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 In-Reply-To: <20051126092502.24945.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcXya0mXz5YxoqZmQxW1xP9DqCbp+wACFG0w Message-Id: <20051126103418.DD00BB0909@smtp0.libero.it> X-Scanned: with antispam and antivirus automated system at libero.it Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:34:21 +0000 (UTC) Hi everybody, I've installed Cubase sx 3 and am having some strange problems with midi vst synths. I know that it is O.T., but since I use the computer syncronized with an echoplex and a repeater...:-D The problem I have is that if cubase is in play I can use the various synths without problems, but when I put some tracks in record, the midi signal enters the computer (I can see it from the leds on my soundcards, a terratec phase 88 and a Audigy 2 Zs, but I can't hear anything and, most of all the track does not get recorded. Absolutely no problems with midi in Cakewalk Sonar and other softwares. The audio gets recorded with non problems, the problem is only with midi VSTi (I use the Arturia synths and Halion SE). Thanks in advance for the help Peace Luigi From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 26 15:05:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 018DA3BED0; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 15:05:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Yp0hUc4bN5Dnr0AtdlENJnaIkwfMSVe8dzgGRFN4DiQ7ltOAWEV2gi4cQ75WCqAvWU72Iyka2gjvh/H8Ffg6snQQVr7cIrFK075kR6yxwf7mLalfPaP3o42ayftSgqbe53B1TQqRq2UUQoIO+n+mAFOYaPdo0pNx9WDqHtdWPD4= Message-ID: <353e2ed80511260705y7e83f06djfd1f5d17a74fd822@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 15:05:07 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The 2005 Looper's Survey ...begins... NOW! In-Reply-To: <4387AD9D.6040503@pdq.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <4387AD9D.6040503@pdq.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 15:05:11 +0000 (UTC) I tried, but it fell over at my first attempt (I typed 'UK' into the country box and it ended right there & thanked me for my submisson). I tried again, but it told me I'd already submitted my answers. So your results will be out by 2 EDPs, a PDS8000, an EHX 16s reissue, a ZVex LoFi and some software I can't be arsed to list again here. On 11/26/05, Doug Cox wrote: > I've found a simple way to allow respondents to include any devices that > they use that are not listed, so I've decided to go ahead and start this > thing... > > LET THE SURVEY BEGIN. > > http://loopsurvey.uncledig.com > > It should be fairly self explanatory, and there is a preamble that might > answer any questions. Then again, maybe not - so if you have a problem > or a question, feel free to email me privately. > > I'll provide some intermediate statistics after a few weeks, and will > leave the survey open for a couple of months. Last time we had almost > 100 respondents. I'm also inviting the people at Harmony Central's > Guitar Effects forum, so perhaps we'll have a bigger population this > time around. > > There's a link to my blog once you finish the survey. It's new and > kinda ragged at this point (and still no sound clips - I slack!), but > you are invited to come take a look around if you have a few extra > minutes of click time. > > Please come by and let yourself be counted. > > http://loopsurvey.uncledig.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 26 15:33:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EE0A3BECF; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 15:33:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4388805D.1030208@pdq.net> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 09:33:49 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The 2005 Looper's Survey ...begins... NOW! References: <4387AD9D.6040503@pdq.net> <353e2ed80511260705y7e83f06djfd1f5d17a74fd822@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80511260705y7e83f06djfd1f5d17a74fd822@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 15:33:49 +0000 (UTC) That's strange. It doesn't process the submission until you submit it with the button at the bottom of the page (or perhaps you accidentally hit the Enter key?) I'll delete your record this morning, and you can try it again later. Email me privately if you continue to have problems. Sorry for the hassle. Doug David Morton wrote: >I tried, but it fell over at my first attempt (I typed 'UK' into the >country box and it ended right there & thanked me for my submisson). I >tried again, but it told me I'd already submitted my answers. > >So your results will be out by 2 EDPs, a PDS8000, an EHX 16s reissue, >a ZVex LoFi and some software I can't be arsed to list again here. > >On 11/26/05, Doug Cox wrote: > > >>I've found a simple way to allow respondents to include any devices that >>they use that are not listed, so I've decided to go ahead and start this >>thing... >> >>LET THE SURVEY BEGIN. >> >>http://loopsurvey.uncledig.com >> >>It should be fairly self explanatory, and there is a preamble that might >>answer any questions. Then again, maybe not - so if you have a problem >>or a question, feel free to email me privately. >> >>I'll provide some intermediate statistics after a few weeks, and will >>leave the survey open for a couple of months. Last time we had almost >>100 respondents. I'm also inviting the people at Harmony Central's >>Guitar Effects forum, so perhaps we'll have a bigger population this >>time around. >> >>There's a link to my blog once you finish the survey. It's new and >>kinda ragged at this point (and still no sound clips - I slack!), but >>you are invited to come take a look around if you have a few extra >>minutes of click time. >> >>Please come by and let yourself be counted. >> >>http://loopsurvey.uncledig.com >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 26 17:07:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C8773BECA; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:07:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VS5GB//LIS6UNtLe9RDYO1EWbMqG/+qeHPxj4pO4EM/2D+ryuVzxGE52djIpz+gsmrvQS8JW7noH67gIFZ6iBbeGjb0PYdVOiR5i800jP1ekxG6C7Q7jOUDghT6uRNtSdAOLeGYv7qJBgmm5GykkXy+VH8cyDOwj08HOLfMo3Lc= Message-ID: <64b81a780511260907v2203fbaw687e0544bda69a9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:07:18 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The 2005 Looper's Survey ...begins... NOW! In-Reply-To: <4388805D.1030208@pdq.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <4387AD9D.6040503@pdq.net> <353e2ed80511260705y7e83f06djfd1f5d17a74fd822@mail.gmail.com> <4388805D.1030208@pdq.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:07:21 +0000 (UTC) David, do you use Firefox and the NoScript extension perhaps? I've had the poll site crash on me a couple of times while fiddling around with allowing it to use javascript. (Not the first site this has happened on.) Currently, I've made it all the way through the poll and pressed 'Submit', but it's just sitting there waiting for uncledig.com. Not sure if it'll finish up, or if it's already counted my entry. Todd On 11/26/05, Doug Cox wrote: > That's strange. It doesn't process the submission until you submit it > with the button at the bottom of the page (or perhaps you accidentally > hit the Enter key?) > > I'll delete your record this morning, and you can try it again later. > Email me privately if you continue to have problems. Sorry for the hassl= e. > > Doug > > David Morton wrote: > > >I tried, but it fell over at my first attempt (I typed 'UK' into the > >country box and it ended right there & thanked me for my submisson). I > >tried again, but it told me I'd already submitted my answers. > > > >So your results will be out by 2 EDPs, a PDS8000, an EHX 16s reissue, > >a ZVex LoFi and some software I can't be arsed to list again here. > > > >On 11/26/05, Doug Cox wrote: > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 26 19:10:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 374D13BED2; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:10:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: Small laptop-based looping setup: case (slightly OT) Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 20:12:11 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c5f2bd$4e850b90$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:10:55 +0000 (UTC) Dear loopers, I'm thinking of assembling a small setup for my loop-based solo ventures. As I do not want to drag huge amounts of stuff around when travelling, the setup will be some like this: * centered around one rack, containing: * AD/DA interface (Behringer ADA8000) * laptop interface (RME digiface) * controller box (Behringer BCR2000 in drawer) * HD recorder (Fostex VR880) * a small DI (Behringer DI20) to be transported in the rack * laptop not to be transported in the rack, but to be put on top of the rack during performance * should be light and sturdy I've heard very positive things about SBK's racks. What are your experiences with these, esp. with regard to the evils of airplane baggage handling? Is the investment into the shock-mount variants necessary? Any other brands worth looking at? Thanks, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 26 19:51:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16C643BED0; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:51:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=V2Uvc/jkoxyvTa0wA74dGTxzEx6ShmfQ1lgC0WjgT6wSjyBerWbOAjXESfcXFOMGYtOoi+++0sganrMUhber4Uz/zLvvRO8T1bu96DQDPqGI3TILTHYBvaAqFRB+uID6CMzfz9Feyu8qyVg4M5jT7Avfck5CFPxeUfmDSXrGbGw= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 11:51:04 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Small laptop-based looping setup: case (slightly OT) In-Reply-To: <000001c5f2bd$4e850b90$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000001c5f2bd$4e850b90$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:51:06 +0000 (UTC) SKB cases are light (if we're talking about the garden variety, non-shock mounted variety), but my experience is that above a 4U size they tend to warp with the weight of the gear. The latches can also come open if something hits them, and I've had a couple break over the years. I've found the 6U and smaller acceptable for local use, but I've never think of checking one. Have you ever watched luggage being loaded into an airplane? That's what they do when they think someone *might* see them. If you have to check your gear. I'd recommend going with a flight case and install rear supports on all the gear. Standard SKB cases are extremely prone to warping if they get dropped with a bunch of heavy gear mounted only to the front rack rails, since the aluminum frame handles most of the structural load.=20 Unfortunately, much of the remaining load is handled by the front face plates of your gear. Unfortunately flight cases are neither light nor cheap, and don't provide perfect protection either, but that's as good as it gets if you need to check a rack. On 11/26/05, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Dear loopers, > > I'm thinking of assembling a small setup for my loop-based solo > ventures. As I do not want to drag huge amounts of stuff around when > travelling, the setup will be some like this: > > * centered around one rack, containing: > * AD/DA interface (Behringer ADA8000) > * laptop interface (RME digiface) > * controller box (Behringer BCR2000 in drawer) > * HD recorder (Fostex VR880) > * a small DI (Behringer DI20) to be transported in the rack > * laptop not to be transported in the rack, but to be put on top of > the rack during performance > * should be light and sturdy > > I've heard very positive things about SBK's racks. What are your > experiences with these, esp. with regard to the evils of airplane > baggage handling? Is the investment into the shock-mount variants > necessary? Any other brands worth looking at? > > Thanks, > > Rainer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 26 20:40:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07F903BED0; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 20:40:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <20051126103418.DD00BB0909@smtp0.libero.it> References: <20051126103418.DD00BB0909@smtp0.libero.it> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9-111585995 Message-Id: From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: O.T. Problems with Cubase sx 3 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 14:40:08 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.101 (HTML_MESSAGE) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 20:40:13 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-9-111585995 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed u may have to assign an auxiliary track to accept the AUDIO inputs from ur midi devices. ___ Adrian Bartholomew 8439 Lee Blvd Leawood, KS 66206 (913) 660-6918 On Nov 26, 2005, at 4:34 AM, Luigi Meloni wrote: > Hi everybody, I've installed Cubase sx 3 and am having some strange > problems > with midi vst synths. I know that it is O.T., but since I use the > computer > syncronized with an echoplex and a repeater...:-D > The problem I have is that if cubase is in play I can use the > various synths > without problems, but when I put some tracks in record, the midi > signal > enters the computer (I can see it from the leds on my soundcards, a > terratec > phase 88 and a Audigy 2 Zs, but I can't hear anything and, most of > all the > track does not get recorded. Absolutely no problems with midi in > Cakewalk > Sonar and other softwares. The audio gets recorded with non > problems, the > problem is only with midi VSTi (I use the Arturia synths and Halion > SE). > Thanks in advance for the help > Peace > Luigi > --Apple-Mail-9-111585995 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 u may have to assign an = auxiliary track to accept the AUDIO inputs from ur midi = devices.
    ___
    Adrian=A0Bartholomew
    8439 Lee Blvd
    Leawood, KS = 66206
    (913) 660-6918

     =

    On Nov 26, 2005, at 4:34 AM, Luigi Meloni = wrote:

    Hi everybody, I've installed = Cubase sx 3 and am having some strange problems
    with midi vst synths. I know that it is O.T., but = since I use the computer
    syncronized = with an echoplex and a repeater...:-D
    The = problem I have is that if cubase is in play I can use the various = synths
    without problems, but when I put = some tracks in record, the midi signal
    enters = the computer (I can see it from the leds on my soundcards, a = terratec
    phase 88 and a Audigy 2 Zs, but = I can't hear anything and, most of all the
    track = does not get recorded. Absolutely no problems with midi in = Cakewalk
    Sonar and other softwares. The = audio gets recorded with non problems, the
    problem = is only with midi VSTi (I use the Arturia synths and Halion = SE).
    Thanks in advance for the = help
    Peace=A0

    =

    = --Apple-Mail-9-111585995-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 26 23:18:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 263353BED5; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 23:18:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mI+Oty9tTihX6jkbis9c2P4tZVMiTGrorv1H643X+8o97hgIglCfQonqQuVmHtkkbWr+bYiCAAcbXzJtMx6GRj/BhZnyf5BxqdsYd17YFy4DxS2MDXSchucheewdqycFTyEIlaOvbKusjJB39c1Di59eSadnGc0fIbxPQmkylJo= Message-ID: <353e2ed80511261518n1f271c3cl43460447f18752dc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 23:18:34 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The 2005 Looper's Survey ...begins... NOW! In-Reply-To: <4388805D.1030208@pdq.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <4387AD9D.6040503@pdq.net> <353e2ed80511260705y7e83f06djfd1f5d17a74fd822@mail.gmail.com> <4388805D.1030208@pdq.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 23:18:36 +0000 (UTC) On 11/26/05, Doug Cox wrote: > I'll delete your record this morning, and you can try it again later. I did it again a few minutes ago, and it still says "Error You have already completed this survey" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 26 23:19:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25F7D3BEDC; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 23:19:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uLnv/P4NPmZOn7K/OuFvxPSi6E28hNOsxO9xGCjYNEHNIp3Oucf/4P2y9xG/0WO9kf7cMxN/r0zvK+hZR0MiM1u+EXczKDU7kXzoNBbf5CrVk77/xu0BbSiIWKZSSwdsuxeiZuGhdboKGIQ8v3LIrIxBxCZr+Ll48zOvXDs2wxk= Message-ID: <353e2ed80511261519v315eb1dn1e4b7de3d1388d41@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 23:19:18 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The 2005 Looper's Survey ...begins... NOW! In-Reply-To: <64b81a780511260907v2203fbaw687e0544bda69a9@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <4387AD9D.6040503@pdq.net> <353e2ed80511260705y7e83f06djfd1f5d17a74fd822@mail.gmail.com> <4388805D.1030208@pdq.net> <64b81a780511260907v2203fbaw687e0544bda69a9@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 23:19:19 +0000 (UTC) On 11/26/05, Todd Pafford wrote: > David, do you use Firefox and the NoScript extension perhaps? No, Safari 2.0.2 on 10.4.3 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 26 23:22:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F2CB3BEDF; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 23:22:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4388EE30.70605@pdq.net> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:22:24 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The 2005 Looper's Survey ...begins... NOW! References: <4387AD9D.6040503@pdq.net> <353e2ed80511260705y7e83f06djfd1f5d17a74fd822@mail.gmail.com> <4388805D.1030208@pdq.net> <353e2ed80511261518n1f271c3cl43460447f18752dc@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80511261518n1f271c3cl43460447f18752dc@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 23:22:23 +0000 (UTC) OK - we have 2 options then: 1) you can locate and delete the cookie that was written to your machine by uncledig.com (or it may have been written by loopsurvey.uncledig.com) and resubmit (the survey uses cookies to know you have submitted) 2) you can just send me your answers via email and I'll post them myself Don't want to miss anyone, so please let me know!! Thanks for doing the survey, and sorry again for the hassle. Doug David Morton wrote: >On 11/26/05, Doug Cox wrote: > > > >>I'll delete your record this morning, and you can try it again later. >> >> > >I did it again a few minutes ago, and it still says "Error You have >already completed this survey" > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 26 23:24:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 991EB3BEE1; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 23:24:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4388EEB6.6040106@pdq.net> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:24:38 -0600 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The 2005 Looper's Survey ...begins... NOW! References: <4387AD9D.6040503@pdq.net> <353e2ed80511260705y7e83f06djfd1f5d17a74fd822@mail.gmail.com> <4388805D.1030208@pdq.net> <353e2ed80511261518n1f271c3cl43460447f18752dc@mail.gmail.com> <4388EE30.70605@pdq.net> In-Reply-To: <4388EE30.70605@pdq.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 23:24:36 +0000 (UTC) Dang - sorry about that LD'ers. I meant to keep this kind of stuff off-list, but I hit send too fast. More turkey sandwiches! Dig Doug Cox wrote: > OK - we have 2 options then: > > 1) you can locate and delete the cookie that was written to your > machine by uncledig.com (or it may have been written by > loopsurvey.uncledig.com) and resubmit (the survey uses cookies to know > you have submitted) > 2) you can just send me your answers via email and I'll post them myself > > Don't want to miss anyone, so please let me know!! Thanks for doing > the survey, and sorry again for the hassle. > > Doug > > David Morton wrote: > >> On 11/26/05, Doug Cox wrote: >> >> >> >>> I'll delete your record this morning, and you can try it again later. >>> >> >> >> I did it again a few minutes ago, and it still says "Error You have >> already completed this survey" >> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 01:17:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0837C3BEB6; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 01:17:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <438909CE.9020203@Hevanet.com> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:20:14 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Insert: Overdub, too? References: <20051117143655.D9A5A3BEE7@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051117144142.02d4e030@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20051117144142.02d4e030@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 01:17:58 +0000 (UTC) In StutterMode, with Insert=Sub, when I end Multiply with Insert I get Feedback display (0-127), and then am overdubbing at that feedback for as long as desired. Ending that with Overdub can add a "finishing touch.". I have Overdub=TOG, and this seems like Overdub=Sus, with the feedback set by front knob (feedback pedal inserted in back of EDP). This is a great way to let the loop progress into new territory! Is this described in the manual somewhere? I just stumbled on it by accident, and can't get up :-) :-P Best, David a k butler wrote: > >>>> So (not to beat this into the ground...sorry!): sounds like you >>>> HAVE to use a dummy jack for this additional use of the feedback >>>> control on the panel. (I'm not complaining... >>>> >>>> David) >>> >>> >>> >>> it doesn't have to be a dummy jack, you can use a feedback pedal for >>> real. >>> >>> Makes sense really, because without a pedal, the feedback knob >>> controls ordinary feedback. >> >> >> Any special parameter settings I should be looking for to get this, >> since I do have a feedback pedal for real inserted to EDP's rear >> panel, and I didn't seem to have any difference in Insert: it always >> replace, not added (overdubbed)? Super effect, but the overdubbing >> of concise bits would be cool, too. >> >> I'll list some params I have currently set: > > > > > > InsertMode to Sub > (because rPL isn't substitute ;-) > > > Loop/Delay should set to Stu or rPL > > either will make Subst work as O/D when feedback knob is full up. > > Now decide > Stu only changes the way Insert works, so as you've got insertMode > =Sub that's > probably the best for you. > > andy butler > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 06:01:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 303B13BED5; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 06:01:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43894C5D.5050600@Hevanet.com> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 22:04:13 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Insert: Overdub, too? References: <20051117143655.D9A5A3BEE7@arsenic.violacea.com> <7.0.0.16.0.20051117144142.02d4e030@tiscali.co.uk> <438909CE.9020203@Hevanet.com> In-Reply-To: <438909CE.9020203@Hevanet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 06:01:58 +0000 (UTC) > I have Overdub=TOG, and this seems like Overdub=Sus, Now that I re-read, this part doesn't make any sense, as the Insert is not being held down... D. .David.Auker. wrote: > > In StutterMode, with Insert=Sub, when I end Multiply with Insert I get > Feedback display (0-127), and then am overdubbing at that feedback for > as long as desired. Ending that with Overdub can add a "finishing > touch.". *I have Overdub=TOG, and this seems like Overdub=Sus,* with > the feedback set by front knob (feedback pedal inserted in back of > EDP). This is a great way to let the loop progress into new > territory! Is this described in the manual somewhere? I just > stumbled on it by accident, and can't get up (-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 07:31:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77F9D3BECA; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 07:31:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Bills Tonelab Joy, into EDP FLIP mode sales pitch Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 23:31:21 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.0.20051125083255.027ee670@tiscali.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 07:31:22 +0000 (UTC) cool baby, yet another reason to get that broken EDP fixed and get ta bidniz. I promise I'll use flip mode when the time comes. Though some might argue i have been using flip mode for a long long time. Thanks for the tip maestro Bill -----Original Message----- From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 1:08 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bills Tonelab Joy, into EDP FLIP mode sales pitch >ability to assign an expression pedal to >control the amount of signal being sent to the looper, and how this might be >a feature unique to the tonelab. Hi Bill, the EDP had this feature in the old LOOP3 software in DELay mode. (as used by Eberhard Weber, for exactly the sort of thing you describe) ...and with loop4(current) software there's an INPut mode which does simply takes the basic EDP Loop Mode and changes the expression pedal to do the loop-input-volume. The EDP also has an interesting variation called FLIP Mode, which allows you to crossfade the Input with the stuff in the loop here's a demo to make it obvious how it works, http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/andybutler/edp/flipdemo.mp3 and here's a snip from my "livelooping" cd which shows it in a (slightly) more musical contex http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/andybutler/edp/gargoyle-ex.mp3 please, someone else use FLIp mode, Matthias sweated blood to program that into Loop4, it's really not so hard to use, and it's great for mutating a loop while you play along to it. allows you to build a loop with dj crossfades from one rhythm to another, and it lets you keep working on a loop forever without building up loads of overdubs andy butler www.andybutler.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 07:41:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EA613BEDB; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 07:41:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Luigi Meloni" To: Subject: RE: O.T. Problems with Cubase sx 3 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 08:41:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C5F32E.60B1FE10" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcXyyZtui3uz1PcaQoaSwLejIngi7QAW5+qw Message-Id: <20051127074132.BD5EEB090F@smtp0.libero.it> X-Scanned: with antispam and antivirus automated system at libero.it Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 07:41:38 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C5F32E.60B1FE10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Adrian. I already have done this. The problem is that I can see the empty track to which the midi should be recorded. It gets lightened, like when I record audio (which works b.t.w.), the midi signal gets in, but it does not get recorded on the armed track. Since I have three different soundcard midi ins in the computer this should be no hardware problem, maybe some stupid setup somewhere in cubase... Pretty weird...:-D With the old cubase vst I had absolutely no problems with midi, and lots of bugs with audio... Now the problem is reversed... Peace Luigi _____ From: Adrian Bartholomew [mailto:adrian@bartholomusic.com] Sent: sabato 26 novembre 2005 21.40 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: O.T. Problems with Cubase sx 3 u may have to assign an auxiliary track to accept the AUDIO inputs from ur midi devices. ___ Adrian Bartholomew 8439 Lee Blvd Leawood, KS 66206 (913) 660-6918 On Nov 26, 2005, at 4:34 AM, Luigi Meloni wrote: Hi everybody, I've installed Cubase sx 3 and am having some strange problems with midi vst synths. I know that it is O.T., but since I use the computer syncronized with an echoplex and a repeater...:-D The problem I have is that if cubase is in play I can use the various synths without problems, but when I put some tracks in record, the midi signal enters the computer (I can see it from the leds on my soundcards, a terratec phase 88 and a Audigy 2 Zs, but I can't hear anything and, most of all the track does not get recorded. Absolutely no problems with midi in Cakewalk Sonar and other softwares. The audio gets recorded with non problems, the problem is only with midi VSTi (I use the Arturia synths and Halion SE). Thanks in advance for the help Peace Luigi ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C5F32E.60B1FE10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Hi Adrian. I already have done = this.

    The problem is that I can see the = empty track to which the midi should be recorded. It gets lightened, like when = I record audio (which works b.t.w.), the midi signal gets in, but it does = not get recorded on the armed track. Since I have three different soundcard midi = ins in the computer this should be no hardware problem, maybe some stupid setup somewhere in cubase... Pretty weird...:-D

    With the old cubase vst I had = absolutely no problems with midi, and lots of bugs with audio... Now the problem is reversed...

     

    Peace

    Luigi

    From: Adrian Bartholomew [mailto:adrian@bartholomusic.com]
    Sent: sabato 26 novembre = 2005 21.40
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Re: O.T. = Problems with Cubase sx 3

     

    u may have to assign an auxiliary track to accept the AUDIO = inputs from ur midi devices.

    ___

    Adrian Bartholomew

    8439 Lee = Blvd

    Leawood, KS = 66206

    (913) = 660-6918



     

    On Nov 26, 2005, at 4:34 AM, Luigi Meloni = wrote:



    Hi everybody, I've installed Cubase sx 3 and am having some = strange problems

    with midi vst synths. I know that it is O.T., but since I use = the computer

    syncronized with an echoplex and a = repeater...:-D

    The problem I have is that if cubase is in play I can use the = various synths

    without problems, but when I put some tracks in record, the midi = signal

    enters the computer (I can see it from the leds on my = soundcards, a terratec

    phase 88 and a Audigy 2 Zs, but I can't hear anything and, most = of all the

    track does not get recorded. Absolutely no problems with midi in Cakewalk

    Sonar and other softwares. The audio gets recorded with non = problems, the

    problem is only with midi VSTi (I use the Arturia synths and = Halion SE).

    Thanks in advance for the help

    Peace =

    Luigi

     

     

    ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C5F32E.60B1FE10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 10:44:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F273E3BECA; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:44:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008c01c5f33f$8fd5f460$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Small laptop-based looping setup: case (slightly OT) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 02:44:36 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:44:36 +0000 (UTC) Hey Rainer, As a great alternative to the SKB cases, there is a fantastic case made in the US by the company called GATOR CASES. Their ROLLER RACK CASES (http://www.gatorcases.com/productsdetail.aspx?LID=1&PID=20) are light weight, durable and have a telescoping handle and recessed wheels as well (like the kind found on most good travelling suitcases). They are like SKB's (pretty light and not as sturdy as ATA cases) but I have to agree to disagree with Travis' assessment that you shouldn't fly with them (all due respect, Travis, because I know you have a lot of experience with touring) I have toured in 12 countries in 3 years now and flown a lot with my GATOR CASES; abused the hell out of them (try hoisting 2 6 space rack cases and two huge suitcases up and down the subways in London and Paris as my wife and I did). and I love them. I've had to occasionally replace latches and even wheels on my Gator 6 space cases which is pretty typical if you do a lot of touring anyway (I was forced to roll them over really rough cobblestones in both Paris and Stockholm which will wear out any wheels on any luggage pretty quickly) and I have found that the people at GATOR have been incredibly helpful in replacing parts that wear out, including sending me a new set of wheels to Europe in the middle of my tour. I just can't say enough good things about this company. I only wish I had an endorsement with them.................... They are so convenient that I will never dream of going back to SKB cases again. Also, for added stability and protection I always use wide dayglo green nylon suitcase straps (two to each case and available at any discerning travel store) so that if a latch ever bursts that the case will not fly open. The bright straps help you spot your gear at the baggage pickup belts, too. Additionally, the fact that they are light means that you can make it onto a lot of flights that have weight restrictions. American International flights have a limit of 70 lbs (32 some odd kilos, pardon my bad metric conversion) per bag and many are reducing that to 50 lbs (22 kilos?). Many internal European flights have far, far smaller weight limitations before they start adding price to your plane ticket. I was assesed $600 extra for excess baggage for one 45 minute flight from Stockholm to Glascow!!!!!! I never took another plane in Europe for the next two months after that sobering experience. Also, remember that 8 space racks and greater are no longer allowed on most airlines. This means that the very heavy duty ATA cases just reduce the amount of gear you can bring with you despite the fact that they are heavier duty than the GATOR or SKB models. gratuitously and tangiential to this thread: SOME STRATEGIES I'VE USED FOR GETTING MAXIMUM GEAR SAFELY ONTO AIRPLANES 1) Put your sensitive electronics inside of your normal suitcase surrounded by soft clothing, filling your Flight cases with other less vulnerable things for flying................. then just reassembling your rack case when you get to your destination. I did this flying to Japan and to Switzerland this summer. 2) Alternatively, you'd have to measure but I imagine that you could get a 4 space rack into the overhead containers so that means you can take your sensitive stuff onboard with you and eschew the ragged handlers. 3) I also sometimes put FRAGILE, GLASS stickers on my bags..................that tends to make even the most rugger baggage handlers sit up and take notice. 4) I try to chat up the people at the ticket booth and ask them if I can hand deliver my equipment to the plane. Since 911 they never let you do this anymore, but frequently, they will have a word with the baggage people. It's not foolproof but anything to get your gear their safely. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 14:42:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB8513BED2; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:42:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #12205354 Message-ID: <4389C5DF.1090105@gmx.net> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:42:39 +0100 From: "Janosch K." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New here and looking for a looping device Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:42:09 +0000 (UTC) Hello all, May a few words regarding my person first. I'm 19 and from Wuppertal ,Germany, being a Synth/Keyboard-player for 3 years and studying law at the university. Listening to Prog Rock like Yes and King Crimson. I found this wonderful site few weeks ago and kept reading quite a bit since them. My interest for looping came up when I got my hand on a Behringer Multi-FX device, the Virtualizer DSP 2024, but I never did much looping until one month ago, when I got my Roland GR1 guitar synth, which seems to be the perfect soundtool for my needs. So i experimented a lot with loops, even if the device only has 5 seconds of delay time it was a very nice experience and I can spend hours with it, with adding new stuff constantly and fading out the old stuff by controlling the feedback. And you never know how the whole thing will develop. And now, I'm looking for a device, that offers more delay/loop time. I have read great things about the Oberheim/Gibson Echoplex and TC 2290, but they are out of my price range, so I took a look on the Boss DD20, which seems to be very nice with it's 23 seconds of loop or delay time (as I read in a Looper's Delight review, you can even have 46 seconds). Also it keeps the ongoing delay when you switch programs. I'm going to test it soon, are there any comments on this device? In my opinion, it should be fine enough to start with. Or are there any alternatives out there? Thanks in advance! All the best, Janosch From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 15:53:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 707583BEDB; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:53:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <290.6e747a.30bb305f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:53:03 EST Subject: Re: New here and looking for a looping device To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_290.6e747a.30bb305f_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:53:11 +0000 (UTC) --part1_290.6e747a.30bb305f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Janosch, Welcome to the LD (Loopers Delight) list.=20 I rather like the DD20 myself. I also own and use 2 Echolpleses in my s et-up too -- with a lot of other gadgets and toys (including 2 Vortexes=20 and a GR-1). However, the DD20, while small, is stuffed with enough=20 cool features that it makes a pretty serious and interesting musical=20 tool all in itself. Whenever I have reason to go "primative" and leave=20 the big rack of gizmos behind (or most of it) the DD20 is what I take=20 with me. At one point in time I experimented with using 3 of them at=20 a time -- though now I am back down to just owning one. If I had to=20 pick a single pedal/device (beyond just my guitar and an amp) to do=20 an impromptu gig with, the DD20 is what I'd choose. Add an Ernie=20 Ball volume pedal and I can entrtain myself (and maybe a few others)=20 for hours. :-) Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_290.6e747a.30bb305f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Janosch,

    Welcome to the LD (Loopers Delight) list.

    I rather like the DD20 myself. I also own and use 2 Echolpleses in my s
    et-up too -- with a lot of other gadgets and toys (including 2 Vortexes
    and a GR-1). However, the DD20, while small, is stuffed with enough
    cool features that it makes a pretty serious and interesting musical
    tool all in itself. Whenever I have reason to go "primative" and leave
    the big rack of gizmos behind (or most of it) the DD20 is what I take
    with me.     At one point in time I experimented with using 3 of them at
    a time -- though now I am back down to just owning one. If I had to
    pick a single pedal/device (beyond just my guitar and an amp) to do
    an impromptu gig with, the DD20 is what I'd choose. Add an Ernie
    Ball volume pedal and I can entrtain myself (and maybe a few others)
    for hours. :-)

    Best regards,

    tEd =AE kiLLiAn

    "Different is not always better, but better is always different"

    http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
    http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
    http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
    http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
    http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
    http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
    http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

    Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
    BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
    AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
    RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
    and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
     --part1_290.6e747a.30bb305f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 17:06:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3CED3BED8; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:06:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 12:06:08 -0500 From: enat21213@aol.com Message-Id: <8C7C18BFE532234-1BAC-AF53@MBLK-M37.sysops.aol.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 15106 Subject: edp and samplers....please help Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-AOL-IP: 64.12.136.81 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:06:16 +0000 (UTC) what's a good hardware or software sampler i can trigger(start and stop) like a drum machine with my edp? needs to hold drum tracks for an entire live set. thanks in advance! brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 18:47:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 836013BEDC; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:47:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 10:47:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ken Higgins Subject: LUG Group Buy of SFX RT; Multiple Instances? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:19e398854e4e12389f1bc10699aa0b2c Resent-Message-ID: <0AJJh.A.gaG.A9fiDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:47:28 +0000 (UTC) Hi All, I've already signed up for the group buy of SFX Machine RT... http://logic-users.org/groupbuy/sfxmachine ...but I have a question for those of you who use it already. Can you run two instances of SFX to process two different sounds (i.e. bass and melody sides of the Stick), or would I need to buy two copies/licenses for SFX to do this? Also, if I need to buy two copies, should I sign up twice with two addresses or will I have a quantity option at purchase time? Thanks, Ken From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 19:02:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FFB83BEE6; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:02:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 11:02:28 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ken Higgins Subject: Sorry, wrong list (they both start with an L). Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:19e398854e4e12389f1bc10699aa0b2c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:02:38 +0000 (UTC) Sorry about that last post, wrong list! OTOH, if anyone uses SFX... answer away. Ken From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 20:05:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D61743BEE2; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:05:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=HGz8rIRRsaGXUNaX2vEATPWYOLAGHjGrPfIz5X2Br5t2WSe2m3n4o/pjnM6/ICdmqZsfqdP9jAMf7hPnOAvR/e/owOAAcGn8U5oMeYAlEG5+ZRf5pTF5QdhifjWQ2CLsxtzH2WwKYPHlcIViMhYYyXE5kpHKptQpZOpYbvEmj1Y= ; Message-ID: <20051127200547.72673.qmail@web34804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 12:05:47 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Another new looping/fx pedal To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:05:49 +0000 (UTC) http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/2005/FX-Tracker.html Could be interesting. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 20:30:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE5713BEDE; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:30:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: New here and looking for a looping device Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:32:06 +0100 Message-ID: <000501c5f391$a4b526b0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <4389C5DF.1090105@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:30:57 +0000 (UTC) Janosch, regarding devices in the lower price range: The DD20 seems to be a fine tool, plus it offers several delay algorithms. Other loopers in the same price range are the Boss RC-20/RC-20XL, the Digitech Jamman and the Line6 DL4. Among these three, the Line6 has by far the shortest loop length (14s or 28s in halfspeed), but offers single-shot (for stuttering effects), reverse and half-speed functionality. The RC-20 and RC-20XL does also offer reverse, but none of the other ones offers the other two options. Plus, the DL4 has also some interesting delay algorithms (albeit with a short delay time of ~3s or half of it for the reverse delay). The Akai Headrush would also be in the same league regarding price and features. I did own the older E-1 variant, which offers either a 23s delay or a 23s looper (albeit only half of that if you do overdubs, which you can undo). Depending on the way you work with loops, some delay-based effects might also be in the running. TC Electronic's D-Two offers a maximum of 10seconds in mono, and has some whacked forward/reverse rhythmic tapped delays, dynamic delays as well as added filters and modulators. There are also a lot of vintage devices, some of them might be had at a good price and provide lots of fun: Digitech's RDS/PDS series offer modulated delays with a length of up to 8s (in the PDS8000). Then there's the Lexicon Vortex, which can be used as a textural looper (with a maximum loop length of something like 1.67s cascading both delay lines). There's also the original Lexicon Jamman, although I know nothing about this one. If using a computer would be an option for you, there are some tools in the market as well. Mac users seem to enjoy AugustusLoop a lot, while for win platforms there's a emulation of eight EDPs called Mobius - both come as VST effects (Moebius also as standalone). For a listing of software loop solutions, you might take a look at Bernhard Wagner's list here http://tinyurl.com/b8lw6. Finally, let me state that it's also but not only about the tools. Just like you, I started to do looplike stuff with very limited setups (in my case, the combination of the delay algos of a Boss SE-50 and a digitech StudioQuad), which really limited my possibilities. Nowadays, I'm able to use a DL4, an Eclipse, a Vortex and a Repeater for loop stuff - but there's a lot of really interesting stuff you can do e.g. with a DL4 alone, or with a combo of, say, a DD20 and a Virtualizer. In most of my sessions and concerts with my improvised dance outfit "Eclectic Blah", I rely on the looping possibilities of the DL4 exclusively, and especially in a band context, this is really enough. Welcome to our strange world! Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Janosch K. [mailto:daasp@gmx.net]=20 Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. November 2005 15:43 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: New here and looking for a looping device Hello all, May a few words regarding my person first. I'm 19 and from Wuppertal=20 ,Germany, being a Synth/Keyboard-player for 3 years and studying law at=20 the university. Listening to Prog Rock like Yes and King Crimson. I found this wonderful site few weeks ago and kept reading quite a bit=20 since them. My interest for looping came up when I got my hand on a=20 Behringer Multi-FX device, the Virtualizer DSP 2024, but I never did=20 much looping until one month ago, when I got my Roland GR1 guitar synth, which seems to be the perfect soundtool for my needs. So i experimented=20 a lot with loops, even if the device only has 5 seconds of delay time it was a very nice experience and I can spend hours with it, with adding=20 new stuff constantly and fading out the old stuff by controlling the=20 feedback. And you never know how the whole thing will develop. And now,=20 I'm looking for a device, that offers more delay/loop time. I have read=20 great things about the Oberheim/Gibson Echoplex and TC 2290, but they=20 are out of my price range, so I took a look on the Boss DD20, which=20 seems to be very nice with it's 23 seconds of loop or delay time (as I=20 read in a Looper's Delight review, you can even have 46 seconds). Also=20 it keeps the ongoing delay when you switch programs. I'm going to test=20 it soon, are there any comments on this device? In my opinion, it should be fine enough to start with. Or are there any alternatives out there? Thanks in advance! All the best, Janosch From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 20:42:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C8B93BEE1; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:42:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <000501c5f391$a4b526b0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> References: <000501c5f391$a4b526b0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Ernest Smith Subject: Re: AW: New here and looking for a looping device Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:42:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:42:54 +0000 (UTC) Rainer All good info with one small clarification - the only PDS series =20 pedals that do modulated delay are the 20/20 and the 2700. The other =20 PDS delays (1000, 2000, 8000) don't have modulation sections. Ernest On Nov 27, 2005, at 3:32 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill =20 wrote: > Janosch, > > regarding devices in the lower price range: > > The DD20 seems to be a fine tool, plus it offers several delay > algorithms. Other loopers in the same price range are the Boss > RC-20/RC-20XL, the Digitech Jamman and the Line6 DL4. Among these =20 > three, > the Line6 has by far the shortest loop length (14s or 28s in =20 > halfspeed), > but offers single-shot (for stuttering effects), reverse and half-=20 > speed > functionality. The RC-20 and RC-20XL does also offer reverse, but none > of the other ones offers the other two options. Plus, the DL4 has also > some interesting delay algorithms (albeit with a short delay time =20 > of ~3s > or half of it for the reverse delay). The Akai Headrush would also =20 > be in > the same league regarding price and features. I did own the older E-1 > variant, which offers either a 23s delay or a 23s looper (albeit only > half of that if you do overdubs, which you can undo). > > Depending on the way you work with loops, some delay-based effects =20 > might > also be in the running. TC Electronic's D-Two offers a maximum of > 10seconds in mono, and has some whacked forward/reverse rhythmic =20 > tapped > delays, dynamic delays as well as added filters and modulators. There > are also a lot of vintage devices, some of them might be had at a good > price and provide lots of fun: Digitech's RDS/PDS series offer =20 > modulated > delays with a length of up to 8s (in the PDS8000). Then there's the > Lexicon Vortex, which can be used as a textural looper (with a maximum > loop length of something like 1.67s cascading both delay lines). =20 > There's > also the original Lexicon Jamman, although I know nothing about this > one. > > If using a computer would be an option for you, there are some =20 > tools in > the market as well. Mac users seem to enjoy AugustusLoop a lot, while > for win platforms there's a emulation of eight EDPs called Mobius - =20= > both > come as VST effects (Moebius also as standalone). For a listing of > software loop solutions, you might take a look at Bernhard Wagner's =20= > list > here http://tinyurl.com/b8lw6. > > Finally, let me state that it's also but not only about the tools. =20 > Just > like you, I started to do looplike stuff with very limited setups =20 > (in my > case, the combination of the delay algos of a Boss SE-50 and a =20 > digitech > StudioQuad), which really limited my possibilities. Nowadays, I'm able > to use a DL4, an Eclipse, a Vortex and a Repeater for loop stuff - but > there's a lot of really interesting stuff you can do e.g. with a DL4 > alone, or with a combo of, say, a DD20 and a Virtualizer. In most =20 > of my > sessions and concerts with my improvised dance outfit "Eclectic =20 > Blah", I > rely on the looping possibilities of the DL4 exclusively, and =20 > especially > in a band context, this is really enough. > > Welcome to our strange world! > > Rainer > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Janosch K. [mailto:daasp@gmx.net] > Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. November 2005 15:43 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: New here and looking for a looping device > > > Hello all, > > May a few words regarding my person first. I'm 19 and from Wuppertal > ,Germany, being a Synth/Keyboard-player for 3 years and studying =20 > law at > the university. Listening to Prog Rock like Yes and King Crimson. I > found this wonderful site few weeks ago and kept reading quite a bit > since them. My interest for looping came up when I got my hand on a > Behringer Multi-FX device, the Virtualizer DSP 2024, but I never did > much looping until one month ago, when I got my Roland GR1 guitar =20 > synth, > > which seems to be the perfect soundtool for my needs. So i =20 > experimented > a lot with loops, even if the device only has 5 seconds of delay =20 > time it > > was a very nice experience and I can spend hours with it, with adding > new stuff constantly and fading out the old stuff by controlling the > feedback. And you never know how the whole thing will develop. And =20 > now, > I'm looking for a device, that offers more delay/loop time. I have =20 > read > great things about the Oberheim/Gibson Echoplex and TC 2290, but they > are out of my price range, so I took a look on the Boss DD20, which > seems to be very nice with it's 23 seconds of loop or delay time (as I > read in a Looper's Delight review, you can even have 46 seconds). Also > it keeps the ongoing delay when you switch programs. I'm going to test > it soon, are there any comments on this device? In my opinion, it =20 > should > > be fine enough to start with. Or are there any alternatives out there? > > Thanks in advance! > > All the best, Janosch > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 21:16:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60F0E3BEE4; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:16:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #12205354 Message-ID: <438A223B.9020905@gmx.net> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 22:16:43 +0100 From: "Janosch K." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: New here and looking for a looping device References: <000501c5f391$a4b526b0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> In-Reply-To: <000501c5f391$a4b526b0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:16:18 +0000 (UTC) Rainer, thanks for your long answer! I already own the Line6 Echo Park, so the Line6 Echo Park may not be such a good idea. If I got it correctly, the Jamman, RC20 and DL4 offer no feedback control, while the DD20 offers this in the delay mode. I tend to work a lot with the feedback on the Virtualizer, so this function is important for me. A friend of mine owns a DD20 and I will soon have the chance to try it out extensively. For modulation duties, I got a TC Electronic G-Major few days ago, so I can apply pitchshifting and other effects to the loops. The D-Two is a little bit too expensive for me, and because of the G-Major, I don't need a delay that can add modulation. And I agree with you, it's not all about the tools, but also about what you do with them. Even if the 5 second delay of the Virtualizer is a bit limiting, you can still do some great stuff with it. And with something like the DD20, the possibilities would be even bigger and the whole thing would become more exciting but also more complex. Best regards, Janosch Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill schrieb: >Janosch, > >regarding devices in the lower price range: > >The DD20 seems to be a fine tool, plus it offers several delay >algorithms. Other loopers in the same price range are the Boss >RC-20/RC-20XL, the Digitech Jamman and the Line6 DL4. Among these three, >the Line6 has by far the shortest loop length (14s or 28s in halfspeed), >but offers single-shot (for stuttering effects), reverse and half-speed >functionality. The RC-20 and RC-20XL does also offer reverse, but none >of the other ones offers the other two options. Plus, the DL4 has also >some interesting delay algorithms (albeit with a short delay time of ~3s >or half of it for the reverse delay). The Akai Headrush would also be in >the same league regarding price and features. I did own the older E-1 >variant, which offers either a 23s delay or a 23s looper (albeit only >half of that if you do overdubs, which you can undo). > >Depending on the way you work with loops, some delay-based effects might >also be in the running. TC Electronic's D-Two offers a maximum of >10seconds in mono, and has some whacked forward/reverse rhythmic tapped >delays, dynamic delays as well as added filters and modulators. There >are also a lot of vintage devices, some of them might be had at a good >price and provide lots of fun: Digitech's RDS/PDS series offer modulated >delays with a length of up to 8s (in the PDS8000). Then there's the >Lexicon Vortex, which can be used as a textural looper (with a maximum >loop length of something like 1.67s cascading both delay lines). There's >also the original Lexicon Jamman, although I know nothing about this >one. > >If using a computer would be an option for you, there are some tools in >the market as well. Mac users seem to enjoy AugustusLoop a lot, while >for win platforms there's a emulation of eight EDPs called Mobius - both >come as VST effects (Moebius also as standalone). For a listing of >software loop solutions, you might take a look at Bernhard Wagner's list >here http://tinyurl.com/b8lw6. > >Finally, let me state that it's also but not only about the tools. Just >like you, I started to do looplike stuff with very limited setups (in my >case, the combination of the delay algos of a Boss SE-50 and a digitech >StudioQuad), which really limited my possibilities. Nowadays, I'm able >to use a DL4, an Eclipse, a Vortex and a Repeater for loop stuff - but >there's a lot of really interesting stuff you can do e.g. with a DL4 >alone, or with a combo of, say, a DD20 and a Virtualizer. In most of my >sessions and concerts with my improvised dance outfit "Eclectic Blah", I >rely on the looping possibilities of the DL4 exclusively, and especially >in a band context, this is really enough. > >Welcome to our strange world! > > Rainer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 23:02:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 913BA3BEEC; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:02:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Small laptop-based looping setup: case (slightly OT) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:02:27 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <008c01c5f33f$8fd5f460$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:02:28 +0000 (UTC) I second what rick said about gator cases, i believe they are more rugged than Skb cases,yet still lite weight. and add that they all feature a lid latch that keeps the lid from falling off even if it becomes unlatched, they are also locking, which won't help on the airlines but is cool for land transport. Also I have had luck putting a gator three or four space rack bag (the kind that is canvas covered with a hard frame) in a regular sized suitcase, which makes it less obvious looking as well as more protected. bill -----Original Message----- From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 2:45 AM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: Re: Small laptop-based looping setup: case (slightly OT) Hey Rainer, As a great alternative to the SKB cases, there is a fantastic case made in the US by the company called GATOR CASES. Their ROLLER RACK CASES (http://www.gatorcases.com/productsdetail.aspx?LID=1&PID=20) are light weight, durable and have a telescoping handle and recessed wheels as well (like the kind found on most good travelling suitcases). They are like SKB's (pretty light and not as sturdy as ATA cases) but I have to agree to disagree with Travis' assessment that you shouldn't fly with them (all due respect, Travis, because I know you have a lot of experience with touring) I have toured in 12 countries in 3 years now and flown a lot with my GATOR CASES; abused the hell out of them (try hoisting 2 6 space rack cases and two huge suitcases up and down the subways in London and Paris as my wife and I did). and I love them. I've had to occasionally replace latches and even wheels on my Gator 6 space cases which is pretty typical if you do a lot of touring anyway (I was forced to roll them over really rough cobblestones in both Paris and Stockholm which will wear out any wheels on any luggage pretty quickly) and I have found that the people at GATOR have been incredibly helpful in replacing parts that wear out, including sending me a new set of wheels to Europe in the middle of my tour. I just can't say enough good things about this company. I only wish I had an endorsement with them.................... They are so convenient that I will never dream of going back to SKB cases again. Also, for added stability and protection I always use wide dayglo green nylon suitcase straps (two to each case and available at any discerning travel store) so that if a latch ever bursts that the case will not fly open. The bright straps help you spot your gear at the baggage pickup belts, too. Additionally, the fact that they are light means that you can make it onto a lot of flights that have weight restrictions. American International flights have a limit of 70 lbs (32 some odd kilos, pardon my bad metric conversion) per bag and many are reducing that to 50 lbs (22 kilos?). Many internal European flights have far, far smaller weight limitations before they start adding price to your plane ticket. I was assesed $600 extra for excess baggage for one 45 minute flight from Stockholm to Glascow!!!!!! I never took another plane in Europe for the next two months after that sobering experience. Also, remember that 8 space racks and greater are no longer allowed on most airlines. This means that the very heavy duty ATA cases just reduce the amount of gear you can bring with you despite the fact that they are heavier duty than the GATOR or SKB models. gratuitously and tangiential to this thread: SOME STRATEGIES I'VE USED FOR GETTING MAXIMUM GEAR SAFELY ONTO AIRPLANES 1) Put your sensitive electronics inside of your normal suitcase surrounded by soft clothing, filling your Flight cases with other less vulnerable things for flying................. then just reassembling your rack case when you get to your destination. I did this flying to Japan and to Switzerland this summer. 2) Alternatively, you'd have to measure but I imagine that you could get a 4 space rack into the overhead containers so that means you can take your sensitive stuff onboard with you and eschew the ragged handlers. 3) I also sometimes put FRAGILE, GLASS stickers on my bags..................that tends to make even the most rugger baggage handlers sit up and take notice. 4) I try to chat up the people at the ticket booth and ask them if I can hand deliver my equipment to the plane. Since 911 they never let you do this anymore, but frequently, they will have a word with the baggage people. It's not foolproof but anything to get your gear their safely. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 23:03:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACF763BEDE; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:03:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JjevCZJ1dQvXPM0CIjxiqI81eZtJsw8620GUaqr0C3Szk3nI+VBxhXBDUD7rkoOzKlYlEfB7eaFjK24FNeKXAGDe23BM97GVOBIKOg6Zafon8LXOPpXNnrWVzh+7P2G2idykQ4iZ1/NzLGJHwSgaLY0M/e0ibo3RnxZURwA8pUs= ; Message-ID: <20051127230325.30465.qmail@web50001.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:03:24 -0800 (PST) From: Lee Maravel Subject: New here and looking for a looping device To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051127203058.217883BEE8@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:03:26 +0000 (UTC) I settled on a Boss dd-20xl mostly due to finances. It's got a lot of usable features and gets my creative stuff working. The 2 drawbacks which jump out to me are that, for one, the loops don't degenerate over time. It's pretty easy to get too much going and be stuck with it. Less is more. You can eliminate and redo the last track recorded which is helpful. The other problem I've noticed is, although it doesn't seem an issue when I'm actually playing realtime, when I record the loops they sound painfully mono. You can dress them up with "soundstage" or other software but then I find I get into tweaking too much and less playing. This is fine for now but I can see upgrading in the future. Lee __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 23:09:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA1823BEF4; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:09:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,383,1125892800"; d="scan'208,217"; a="1831337089:sNHT21818516" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <4389C5DF.1090105@gmx.net> References: <4389C5DF.1090105@gmx.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-206970119 Message-Id: <39EFC6C0-774E-4C24-BB39-C004778F9A48@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin Subject: Re: New here and looking for a looping device Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:09:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:09:57 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-206970119 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Welcome, Janosch I thought there was a topic on this I could direct you to at the =20 loopers delight site, but I can=92t find it, so here=92s a brief over-=20= simplified run-down on an essential point you probably already =20 understand, but just in case: Loopers VS. Delays Some devices, like the EDP, Boomerang, and the Boss Loop Station (and =20= up-coming RC-50) are dedicated loopers: You set the loop time on the =20 fly, with foot-switches, so that you set them running with a click, =20 then decide when you=92ve recorded enough with another click, which =20 also starts playback from the beginning. There aren=92t many of these =20= devices to pick from. Most other =94looping=94 devices are actually long delay lines: they are = =20 always looping and the loop length is equal to the delay time; you =20 can=92t reset this while you=92re recording. Sounds like all the devices = =20 you=92ve used so far are delays. I also started with long delay devices, using a volume pedal in front =20= for over-dubs and the feedback controls to replace/fade out; whatever =20= delay time you set (usually the maximum), you get very good at =20 playing to fit...and you also tend to make this the default loop-=20 length for everything you create. When I got an EDP=97a looper, not a =20= delay=97my looping experience changed significantly, simply because I =20= could for all practical purposes record as long or as little as I =20 wanted before deciding to start playback. It was sort of like losing =20 a pulse and gaining spontaneity: no more anticipating the end of the =20 delay time looming up ahead, or wishing it was longer or shorter. =20 It=92s nice, of course, to have both types of tool at your disposal; if =20= you can only have one, you should certainly try them both before you =20 settle. Good hunting! dc On Nov 27, 2005, at 6:42 AM, Janosch K. wrote: > So i experimented a lot with loops, even if the device only has 5 =20 > seconds of delay time it was a very nice experience and I can spend =20= > hours with it, with adding new stuff constantly and fading out the =20 > old stuff by controlling the feedback. --Apple-Mail-1-206970119 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Welcome, Janosch
    I thought = there was a topic on this I could direct you to at the loopers delight = site, but I can=92t find it, so here=92s a brief over-simplified = run-down on an essential point you probably already understand, but just = in case:

    Loopers VS. = Delays

    Some = devices, like the EDP, Boomerang, and the Boss Loop Station (and = up-coming RC-50) are dedicated loopers: You set the loop time on the = fly, with foot-switches, so that you set them running with a click, then = decide when you=92ve recorded enough with another click, which also = starts playback from the beginning. There aren=92t many of these devices = to pick from.
    Most other =94looping=94 devices are actually = long delay lines: they are always looping and the loop length is equal = to the delay time; you can=92t reset this while you=92re recording. = Sounds like all the devices you=92ve used so far are delays.
    I = also started with long delay devices, using a volume pedal in front for = over-dubs and the feedback controls to replace/fade out; whatever delay = time you set (usually the maximum), you get very good at playing to = fit...and you also tend to make this the default loop-length for = everything you create. When I got an EDP=97a looper, not a delay=97my = looping experience changed significantly, simply because I could for all = practical purposes record as long or as little as I wanted before = deciding to start playback. It was sort of like losing a pulse and = gaining spontaneity: no more anticipating the end of the delay time = looming up ahead, or wishing it was longer or shorter. It=92s nice, of = course, to have both types of tool at your disposal; if you can only = have one, you should certainly try them both before you settle. Good = hunting!

    dc


    On Nov 27, = 2005, at 6:42 AM, Janosch K. wrote:

    So i experimented a lot = with loops, even if the device only has 5 seconds of delay time it was a = very nice experience and I can spend hours with it, with adding new = stuff constantly and fading out the old stuff by controlling the = feedback.


    = --Apple-Mail-1-206970119-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 27 23:43:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 106313BEEC; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:43:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=P6K/g2eGJPegvkk99NsCBoEC05Y6yqW14fliJz8gF6Ok4TGpzH5/tn+qiCjq5IFX9qbtzz3UcfuQa5LDYNInlrEwx5xv99BITu2+ep/qIB0++qr7/FU5mlRgI3blmRC8bcPyEqzNIvvnAvpaRcbHo25rl5HKWVTrRA2pJX4Uavw= Message-ID: <353e2ed80511271543q4a394423qc232e8aaa687b51@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:43:21 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Small laptop-based looping setup: case (slightly OT) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <008c01c5f33f$8fd5f460$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:43:22 +0000 (UTC) On 11/27/05, William Walker wrote: > I second what rick said about gator cases, i believe they are more rugged > than Skb cases,yet still lite weight. and add that they all feature a li= d > latch that keeps the lid from falling off even if it becomes unlatched, > they are also locking, which won't help on the airlines but is cool for l= and > transport. Also I have had luck putting a gator three or four space rack = bag > (the kind that is canvas covered with a hard frame) in a regular sized > suitcase, which makes it less obvious looking as well as more protected. I'd not come across Gator before, and was looking at the website. These two products http://www.gatorcases.com/productsmodeldetail.aspx?LID=3D1&PID=3D26&MID=3D3= 24 (which holds a laptop & 2u) http://www.gatorcases.com/productsmodeldetail.aspx?LID=3D1&PID=3D26&MID=3D3= 25 (which holds a laptop & 4u and has wheels and a handle) would seem to have great potential. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 28 01:42:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FFB93BEF0; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 01:42:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <12f.6aa566b1.30bbba69@aol.com> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:42:01 EST Subject: Re: New here and looking for a looping device To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12f.6aa566b1.30bbba69_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 01:42:10 +0000 (UTC) --part1_12f.6aa566b1.30bbba69_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit has anyone tried the "buggy" rangs that mike nelson mentioned a while back?.....if i recall, it was a great deal.....m --part1_12f.6aa566b1.30bbba69_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable has anyone tried the "buggy" rangs that= mike nelson mentioned a while back?.....if i recall, it was a great deal...= ..m --part1_12f.6aa566b1.30bbba69_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 28 01:45:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A41483BEFB; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 01:45:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,383,1125892800"; d="scan'208,217"; a="478479020:sNHT20788392" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) In-Reply-To: <12f.6aa566b1.30bbba69@aol.com> References: <12f.6aa566b1.30bbba69@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-216303627 Message-Id: <208966D7-E7BC-4C30-950D-3B936662868F@charter.net> From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: New here and looking for a looping device Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 19:45:26 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Resent-Message-ID: <0IGpQD.A.auF.6EmiDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 01:45:30 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-216303627 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I emailed Mike with interest and never heard back. They may have run out. Music: http://www.kellycoyle.net Blog: http://wwwquotidianme.blogspot.com/ On Nov 27, 2005, at 7:42 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > has anyone tried the "buggy" rangs that mike nelson mentioned a > while back?.....if i recall, it was a great deal.....m --Apple-Mail-1-216303627 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
    I emailed Mike with = interest and never heard back. They may have run out.



    http://www.kellycoyle.net
    Blog:

    On Nov = 27, 2005, at 7:42 PM, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:

    has anyone tried the "buggy" rangs that = mike nelson mentioned a while back?.....if i recall, it was a great = deal.....m

    = --Apple-Mail-1-216303627-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 28 05:41:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D41953BEFA; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 05:41:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Scott McGregor Moore" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" Subject: The PiNG presents INSIDEaMIND and PHOLDE Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 00:48:32 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c5f3df$5dcbc8a0$0e02a8c0@nec> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Originating-IP: [0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 05:41:53 +0000 (UTC) Are turntables instruments? DJs musicians? 4 man DJ/Producer crew INSIDEaMIND present the evidence this week as they improvise a set together on 8 turntables & treatments. Click to hear a sample piece:=20 http://steptonemusic.com/music/IAM_hypnodic_web_sample.mp3 Singular sound artist Pholde precedes INSIDEaMIND to present his own thesis on creating powerful soundscapes by bowing hardened steel. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor - Toronto (directly across from the Bathurst subway station)=20 Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan=20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday November 29th 2005 - PHOLDE and INSIDEaMIND "Making music through the reverberation of metals is Pholde's field of = work. Alan Bloor treats them with different approaches as opposed, for = example, to a Dave Jackman or a Z'ev: his art uses length and resonance to build rumbling cathedrals of superb irregular harmonics. Crossing low and high frequencies in thudding forms and rolling thunders, the Canadian = presents us with a series of spellbinding explorations of deep connections to the = high spheres of acoustic cosmos. Bloor's messages contain a large dose of rigorous seriousness that are the perfect contrasting element to those moments where sudden outbursts of clangour could bring the music out of control; instead, Pholde regroups his forces into cohesion, restraining = his textural emanations to the core of significance." http://www.pholde.com (Review by Massimo Ricci at Touching Extremes) =20 As the definition of the word "DJ" continues to expand, INSIDEaMIND = emerges in Toronto as a four man scratch band, further stretching artistic boundaries by performing live original compositions with vinyl. The = scratch musicians, as they call themselves, bring forth a unique angle to what a group of DJ's/Producers armed with instruments called turntables can = create. By developing outside the often limiting battle-oriented mindframe that scratching is too often associated with, the crew is bringing new life = to this ever evolving artform. http://insideamind.net Read Denise = Benson's recent interview in Eye magazine with INSIDEaMIND's Cheldon Paterson: http://eye.net/eye/issue/issue_11.03.05/clubs/extended.html Between Sets CD - "Soma" by Steve Roach and Robert Rich This 1992 release, by two of ambient music's master musicians, finds them deep in worlds of earth-based rhythms beneath dark clouds of sound. http://www.steveroach.com http://www.robertrich.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday Dec. 6th - ARC and Aidan Baker/Neil Wiernik/Jakob Thiesen ARC - http://fade.to/arc Aidan Baker - http://www.aidanbaker.org/ Neil Wiernik - http://www.noisefactoryrecords.com/naw.htm Jakob Thiesen - http://www.theambientping.com/thiesen/home.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Re:Karma" by Darshan Ambient Having had a career that has spanned over ten years, Michael Allison of Darshan Ambient has released a compilation of work from earlier discs and unreleased tracks. "Re:Karma" is a fine collection of songs that show the breadth of his talent as well as introducing a side of his work that some fans might not be aware of. Fans of Darshan Ambient's ambient work will no doubt be impressed by tracks such as "The Ocean Whispers", "A Walk Along the Ganges" and "Slow Drift", beautiful pieces that are very much in keeping with the lush ambience of "Providence" and "The Zen Master's Diary". Of particular note is the previously unreleased track "The Cool River" which opens the disc, a track taken from 1994 where a slight melody plays overtop a sustained background of pads. Serene, dreamlike, and beautiful in it's flow, "The Cool River" is a beautiful piece that stands with the best of his more ambient moments. Tracks like "Boundless" and "Tiger in the Grass" are slightly more=20 indicative of the overall sound of the disc, percussion driven pieces where piano and synth lines float along the soundstream in chilled laid-back grooves. Of these more groove-based tracks, "Soul Chameleon" stands out as a complex percussive piece where shimmering tones and pads mingle and dance around eachother. Very inspired. Without doubt, "Re:Karma" is an excellent collection, fully displaying the talents of a very accomplished and talented electronic artist. Both an excellent place for new fans to be introduced to the music of Darshan Ambient, and a place for older fans to become reacquainted.=20 Highly recommended. *** New ping things feature! *** Fans of Toronto ambient project Sylken will be very interested to read = an=20 exclusive interview with Eric Hopper of Sylken in the featured section = of=20 the ping things site! Eric talks about creativity, inspiration, and the = PiNG community in a revealing and fascinating interview. Read it at http://www.pingthings.com/SYLKENfeature.htm rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com =3D ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . * Wednesday November 30th at 8pm EST - mara's torment will be performing the first in a series of almost-live internet broadcasts on through his LIVE365 station "mt radio". You won't be able to see rik and Sovaak, but if you tune in you'll be able to hear them perform new material and reworked mara's torment classics. Visit http://www.live365.com/stations/marastorment on Wed November 30th at 8pm EST to hear the show! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 28 07:31:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 079FA3BEFB; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:31:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 02:31:05 -0500 From: kim galibert Subject: configuring your brand new hot bitch arsenal In-reply-to: <20051128014531.523A33BF02@arsenic.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00a001c5f3ed$b1b11b60$6b03a8c0@vaio13> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_l8eoo38UkL15dWkTQ7DwFg)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:31:11 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_l8eoo38UkL15dWkTQ7DwFg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT hey folks - kim here with some new live-looping audio/video. my feet aren't visible, so if you're part of the barefoot camp, know that i am so, if you prefer shod, then just imagine me with wafflestompers or pink bunny rabbit slippers, whatever floats your boat. i have teamed up with the amazing christina abbott, a seriously talented vocalist whose way with words is simply superb. i put paper and pen in her hands, then play her one of my instrumental jams, 20 minutes later we've got a new song such as: http://www.hotbitcharsenal.com/audio/rhythm.mp3 http://www.hotbitcharsenal.com/video/rhythm.wmv http://www.hotbitcharsenal.com/video/rhythm.mov ableton live is just the most effective music production tool there is. it is a musical instrument onto itself. learning how to 'play' it will make you god like (unless, like i, you embrace the dark side and become a cult leader instead). http://www.hotbitcharsenal.com/audio/shivershake(live).mp3 http://www.hotbitcharsenal.com/video/shivershake.wmv feedback desired! leave some at our blog: http://www.projectgt.com/hba be well, kim --Boundary_(ID_l8eoo38UkL15dWkTQ7DwFg) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message
    hey folks - kim here with some new live-looping audio/video.  my feet aren't visible, so if you're part of the barefoot camp, know that i am so, if you prefer shod, then just imagine me with wafflestompers or pink bunny rabbit slippers, whatever floats your boat.
     
    i have teamed up with the amazing christina abbott, a seriously talented vocalist whose way with words is simply superb.  i put paper and pen in her hands, then play her one of my instrumental jams, 20 minutes later we've got a new song such as:
     
    http://www.hotbitcharsenal.com/audio/rhythm.mp3
     
    ableton live is just the most effective music production tool there is.  it is a musical instrument onto itself.  learning how to 'play' it will make you god like (unless, like i, you embrace the dark side and become a cult leader instead). 
     
     
     
     
     
     
    --Boundary_(ID_l8eoo38UkL15dWkTQ7DwFg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 28 08:32:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46C973BF02; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:32:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #12205354 Message-ID: <438AC0CC.7000401@gmx.net> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:33:16 +0100 From: "Janosch K." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New here and looking for a looping device References: <4389C5DF.1090105@gmx.net> <39EFC6C0-774E-4C24-BB39-C004778F9A48@earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <39EFC6C0-774E-4C24-BB39-C004778F9A48@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:32:46 +0000 (UTC) David, thanks for your long answer and for clearing up the things a bit, I was not 100 percently sure where the differences between a looper and a delay were. I work in the same way as you did with the delays, using a volume pedal and another pedal for feedback control. And I agree with you about always using the maximum delay time, once you set the delay time it is rather fixed and you cannot decide spotanously if your loop is long enough and stop. I will test the Boss DD20 soon, which includes 23 seconds delay and a 23 second looper, so I can get familiar with the differences between the two ways and see which one of them works better for me. Best regards, Janosch David Coffin schrieb: > Welcome, Janosch > I thought there was a topic on this I could direct you to at the > loopers delight site, but I can’t find it, so here’s a brief > over-simplified run-down on an essential point you probably already > understand, but just in case: > > Loopers VS. Delays > > Some devices, like the EDP, Boomerang, and the Boss Loop Station (and > up-coming RC-50) are dedicated loopers: You set the loop time on the > fly, with foot-switches, so that you set them running with a click, > then decide when you’ve recorded enough with another click, which also > starts playback from the beginning. There aren’t many of these devices > to pick from. > Most other ”looping” devices are actually long delay lines: they are > always looping and the loop length is equal to the delay time; you > can’t reset this while you’re recording. Sounds like all the devices > you’ve used so far are delays. > I also started with long delay devices, using a volume pedal in front > for over-dubs and the feedback controls to replace/fade out; whatever > delay time you set (usually the maximum), you get very good at playing > to fit...and you also tend to make this the default loop-length for > everything you create. When I got an EDP—a looper, not a delay—my > looping experience changed significantly, simply because I could for > all practical purposes record as long or as little as I wanted before > deciding to start playback. It was sort of like losing a pulse and > gaining spontaneity: no more anticipating the end of the delay time > looming up ahead, or wishing it was longer or shorter. It’s nice, of > course, to have both types of tool at your disposal; if you can only > have one, you should certainly try them both before you settle. Good > hunting! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 28 09:10:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 437B63BECA; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:10:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <438AC0CC.7000401@gmx.net> References: <4389C5DF.1090105@gmx.net> <39EFC6C0-774E-4C24-BB39-C004778F9A48@earthlink.net> <438AC0CC.7000401@gmx.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-243021495 Message-Id: From: David Coffin Subject: Re: New here and looking for a looping device Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 01:10:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:10:48 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-243021495 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed A very intriguing device! Too bad you can=92t control the feedback with =20= a foot pedal, or at all in =93looping=94 mode. Let us know what you think of it... dc On Nov 28, 2005, at 12:33 AM, Janosch K. wrote: > I will test the Boss DD20 soon, which includes 23 seconds delay and =20= > a 23 second looper, so I can get familiar with the differences =20 > between the two ways and see which one of them works better for me. > --Apple-Mail-2-243021495 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 A very intriguing device! Too = bad you can=92t control the feedback with a foot pedal, or at all in = =93looping=94 mode.
    Let us know what you think of = it...
    dc



    On Nov 28, = 2005, at 12:33 AM, Janosch K. wrote:

    I will test the Boss = DD20 soon, which includes 23 seconds delay and a 23 second looper, so I = can get familiar with the differences between the two ways and see which = one of them works better for me.



    = --Apple-Mail-2-243021495-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 28 09:40:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 910B83BED6; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:40:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:40:43 +0000 Subject: Re: New here and looking for a looping device From: jeremy To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3216015644_63358" Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 09:40:47 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3216015644_63358 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi there,=20 If you=B9ve got a Mac then give Sooperlooper a try. I=B9m using the JACK versio= n which makes it easy to record the four Sooperlooper loops into LOGIC alongside my hardware devices, all on an iBook G4 933. Regards Jeremy --B_3216015644_63358 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: New here and looking for a looping device Hi th= ere,

    If you’ve got a Mac then give Sooperlooper a try. I’m using the= JACK version which makes it easy to record the four Sooperlooper loops into= LOGIC alongside my hardware devices, all on an iBook G4 933.

    Regards

    Jeremy     --B_3216015644_63358-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 28 12:45:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 149EA3BED5; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:45:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:16:03 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: New here and looking for a looping device To: Lee Maravel , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002e01c5f419$9e07d3c0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20051127230325.30465.qmail@web50001.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9za2qD.A.lIH.GwviDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:45:59 +0000 (UTC) Lee wrote: [snip] > I settled on a Boss dd-20xl [snip] Er, that would be the Boss RC-20XL. ;-) dB From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 28 18:00:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEA393BED5; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:00:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=EqokfymUDCwcLQNliDUakwalNfnfXDLg7YURwpjuFjKkSC/o1PftdGt9Nt37vsN5ZWXrVIccb5bQIXAHQOaOCmPO4o0sKvWNK8tetdSRDD0ewYOVPhY8JK4WPTACCLqW0AXMBXA1beYr4S7AVT+gEtwN6CWmPDg4hUDFOhuMIok= Message-ID: <64b81a780511280959m142db5e2t50a4b0704cc3370a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 13:00:08 -0500 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Small laptop-based looping setup: case (slightly OT) In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80511271543q4a394423qc232e8aaa687b51@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <008c01c5f33f$8fd5f460$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <353e2ed80511271543q4a394423qc232e8aaa687b51@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8TnvXC.A.PxB.qW0iDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:00:10 +0000 (UTC) Hey, those look like just what I need. Instead of a laptop I've got a small mixer that looks like it'd fit perfectly. Thanks. :) Todd On 11/27/05, David Morton wrote: > On 11/27/05, William Walker wrote: > > I second what rick said about gator cases, i believe they are more rugg= ed > > than Skb cases,yet still lite weight. and add that they all feature a = lid > > latch that keeps the lid from falling off even if it becomes unlatched= , > > they are also locking, which won't help on the airlines but is cool for= land > > transport. Also I have had luck putting a gator three or four space rac= k bag > > (the kind that is canvas covered with a hard frame) in a regular sized > > suitcase, which makes it less obvious looking as well as more protecte= d. > > I'd not come across Gator before, and was looking at the website. > These two products > > http://www.gatorcases.com/productsmodeldetail.aspx?LID=3D1&PID=3D26&MID= =3D324 > (which holds a laptop & 2u) > > http://www.gatorcases.com/productsmodeldetail.aspx?LID=3D1&PID=3D26&MID= =3D325 > (which holds a laptop & 4u and has wheels and a handle) > > would seem to have great potential. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 28 20:48:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C5C63BECF; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:48:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <438B6D97.5020106@Hevanet.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:50:31 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: a dream! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 20:48:13 +0000 (UTC) So, I woke out of a dream this morning, in which Matthias was over, and was re-configuring my mixer with the keyboard, two synth modules, mic, loopers. He easily remedied wires going places that didn't make sense. It was disappointing to realize it was just a dream, because, even though my stuff is working well, I'm "winging it," coming from a mostly acoustic piano background. Kind of shows the power of an email list, when you find yourself including it in dreamland! I'm wondering...if I'd slept longer maybe Mathias would have commented on my EDP list-note from last week, which went something like this: > > In StutterMode, with Insert=Sub, when I end Multiply with Insert I get > Feedback display (0-127), and then am overdubbing at that feedback for > as long as desired. Ending that with Overdub can add a "finishing > touch.". Feedback is set by front knob (feedback pedal inserted in > back of EDP). This is a great way to let the loop progress into new > territory! Is this described in the manual somewhere? It's like the > Insert with quantize we talked about ("EDP Insert: Overdub, too?" > -11/15), but this is an actual extended Overdub of the whole loop. ||: David :|| From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 02:02:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A0C63BED9; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 02:02:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Ryman1960@aol.com Message-ID: <24a.277373c.30be61c7@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:00:39 EST Subject: Fwd: pof site progress To: Conniescans@prodigy.net, brenchica4@valp.net, ylbrowns@sbcglobal.net, L8KERS08@aol.com, RiverbratKell@aol.com, rymanpotter@adelphia.net, rdube@adelphia.net, gottaski@sbcglobal.net, george@m-audio.com, ngci@adelphia.net, imcdole@interwrx.com, spj903@juno.com, jkranitz@aural-innovations.com, KRosser414@aol.com, SaftyBear1@aol.com, stmjames@ms19.hinet.net, redrabbitlosangeles@yahoo.com, loachfillet@yahoo.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, catspoet@hotmail.com, MJKJFISHER@yahoo.com, msolomon@zebra.com, MarcMylar@aol.com, osullivanclan@sbcglobal.net, Patersonrl@paradise.net.nz, info@getcom.biz, GRADAI@socal.RR.com, Deanna@antelecom.net, richard_derrick@msn.com, richie@richiehass.com, richiehass@dslextreme.com, Karen.Riley@SDCourt.CA.Gov, KRileyms@hotmail.com, GRXLR8@aol.com, WonderxLand@aol.com, rubberxducky@sbcglobal.net, sachis2112@yahoo.com, gsmulti@spiritone.com, Mdsegal@earthlink.net, Scan4Kim@aol.com, Scanmt@aol.com, DWa2898572@aol.com Cc: viceroypronk@yahoo.com, moonmoth@netzero.net, backbiter@sbcglobal.net, spagyric@earthlink.net, profcantaloupe@yahoo.com, Christine@hennesseyproject.com, Chuck.Louie@albertsons.com, deb@deborahexit.com, Kathy.Flores@albertsons.com, sdjeepguy@mac.com, mgarrett@standardabrasives.com, GonzalesMignon@aol.com, hammer@pocketmail.com, heustis@comcast.net, info@k-9behavior.com, jeremy@k-9behavior.com, Frye1307@MSN.com, fkrejci@pacbell.net, SRYAH@aol.com, Cdnote@aol.com, kmoyes@optusnet.com.au, rantinraven@sbcglobal.net, ngutmacher@m-audio.com, phantomairship@yahoo.com, Randy.Kehoe@albertsons.com, Robert@getcom.biz, Rymanpotter@sbcglobal.net, santibanez.brown@verizon.net, Steve.Brown@albertsons.com, Sstraub425@aim.com, Susan.Joy@albertsons.com, trigone@trigonrecords.com, walkers_murrieta@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_24a.277373c.30be61c7_boundary" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5300 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 02:02:52 +0000 (UTC) --part1_24a.277373c.30be61c7_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1133316038" -------------------------------1133316038 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Check out this link to Points of Friction -------------------------------1133316038 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Check out this link to Points of Friction
     -------------------------------1133316038-- --part1_24a.277373c.30be61c7_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-xn05.mx.aol.com (rly-xn05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.118]) by air-xn03.mail.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILINXN32-6544387734d3c4; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:25:54 -0500 Received: from outbound-mail.lax.untd.com (outbound-mail.lax.untd.com [64.136.28.164]) by rly-xn05.mx.aol.com (v107.13) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXN510-6544387734d3c4; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 15:25:50 -0500 Received: from outbound28-2.lax.untd.com (smtp03.lax.untd.com [10.130.24.123]) by smtpout04.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABB2Q63YAMM5BE2 for (sender ); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 12:25:26 -0800 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15589 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2005 20:25:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO timalexander) (67.150.88.245) by smtp03.lax.untd.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2005 20:25:24 -0000 Message-ID: <003501c5f1fe$6502d9c0$f5589643@timalexander> From: "T&S Alexander" To: , "Spagyric@Earthlink.Net" , "joseph hammer" , "mitchell brown" , "David Moscovich" Subject: pof site progress Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 12:25:34 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01C5F1BB.556E0860" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-ContentStamp: 8:4:3182640515 X-MAIL-INFO: 121499f999a5d1a5d46dc4d494cd440c79b509c4393995e1b0b0098931a17931a570505051b599a57d4540099494d1f47d7d84d5d09d44d085c5fdfd35e4e4cd0d7d5110 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: 6Qx1LSl0+l4JLKSnvd9dp+jxbkEM6w0AKa2ZJ0JxVuzuywb3f5Rv3w== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.130.24.123|smtp03.lax.untd.com|outbound28-2.lax.untd.com|moonmoth@netzero.net X-AOL-IP: 64.136.28.164 ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C5F1BB.556E0860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable NOTICE: www.pointsoffriction.com is now a registered (2 yrs.) domain name! i have also provided all info to the host, Doteasy.com, and paid the one-tim= e only fee. i am now awaiting a message that will provide access to the upl= oad process. =20 in that process i will submit a request for the e-mail pointsoffriction@pof.= com i made good progress yesterday on the site itself. there are 13 pages. the= interactive page will be a future project. the scrapbook can be amended if= you have photos, art, or suggestions. please make notes for next years twe= ak. i am not sure when the site will actually be working, but i am hoping for to= night! moth ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C5F1BB.556E0860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    NOTICE:
     
    www.pointsoffriction.com is now a=20 registered (2 yrs.) domain name!
    i have also provided all info to the host,=20 Doteasy.com, and paid the one-time only fee.  i am now awaiting a messa= ge=20 that will provide access to the upload process. 
     
    in that process i will submit a request for= the=20 e-mail pointsoffriction@pof.co= m
     
    i made good progress yesterday on the site=20= itself.=20  there are 13 pages.  the interactive page will be a future=20 project.  the scrapbook can be amended if you have photos, art, or=20 suggestions.  please make notes for next years tweak.
     
    i am not sure when the site will actually b= e=20 working, but i am hoping for tonight!
     
    moth
     
     
    ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C5F1BB.556E0860-- --part1_24a.277373c.30be61c7_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 02:21:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 912553BEDC; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 02:21:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <073301c5f554$b575c760$3dc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: test - please delete Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:21:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0730_01C5F51A.08440F00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 397, in=185411, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 02:21:12 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0730_01C5F51A.08440F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just seeing if I'm still on the list. I received a digest on my work = email, but nothing on this one. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0730_01C5F51A.08440F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Just seeing if I'm still on the list. I = received a=20 digest on my work email, but nothing on this one.
     
    Kris
     
    ------=_NextPart_000_0730_01C5F51A.08440F00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 02:22:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C99293BEE1; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 02:22:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=XEuRZbRMgGvI3hrIPDYtZ9QeXkmQIihLXqXKdyU45Hnv7sbfXum1b6rQLDMi4B93; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220051133022718750@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Fwd: pof site progress Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:27:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9403c24aede9fa653c6b445d9c016d65fa2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.44 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 02:22:40 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII um, refresh my memory...who are you and why are you spreading everybody's addresses out there for all to see? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Conniescans@prodigy.net;brenchica4@valp.net;ylbrowns@sbcglobal.net;L8KERS08@aol.com;RiverbratKell@aol.com;rymanpotter@adelphia.net;rdube@adelphia.net;gottaski@sbcglobal.net;george@m-audio.com;ngci@adelphia.net;imcdole@interwrx.com;spj903@juno.com;jkranitz@aural-innovations.com;KRosser414@aol.com;SaftyBear1@aol.com;stmjames@ms19.hinet.net;redrabbitlosangeles@yahoo.com;loachfillet@yahoo.com;Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com;catspoet@hotmail.com;MJKJFISHER@yahoo.com;msolomon@zebra.com;MarcMylar@aol.com;osullivanclan@sbcglobal.net;Patersonrl@paradise.net.nz;info@getcom.biz;GRADAI@socal.RR.com;Deanna@antelecom.net;richard_derrick@msn.com;richie@richiehass.com;richiehass@dslextreme.com;Karen.Riley@SDCourt.CA.Gov;KRileyms@hotmail.com;GRXLR8@aol.com;WonderxLand@aol.com;rubberxducky@sbcglobal.net;sachis2112@yahoo.com;gsmulti@spiritone.com;Mdsegal@earthlink.net;Scan4Kim@aol.com;Scanmt@aol.com;DWa2898572@aol.com Cc: viceroypronk@yahoo.com; moonmoth@netzero.net; backbiter@sbcglobal.net; spagyric@earthlink.net; profcantaloupe@yahoo.com; Christine@hennesseyproject.com; Chuck.Louie@albertsons.com; deb@deborahexit.com; Kathy.Flores@albertsons.com; sdjeepguy@mac.com; mgarrett@standardabrasives.com; GonzalesMignon@aol.com; hammer@pocketmail.com; heustis@comcast.net; info@k-9behavior.com; jeremy@k-9behavior.com; Frye1307@MSN.com; fkrejci@pacbell.net; SRYAH@aol.com; Cdnote@aol.com; kmoyes@optusnet.com.au; rantinraven@sbcglobal.net; ngutmacher@m-audio.com; phantomairship@yahoo.com; Randy.Kehoe@albertsons.com; Robert@getcom.biz; Rymanpotter@sbcglobal.net; santibanez.brown@verizon.net; Steve.Brown@albertsons.com; Sstraub425@aim.com; Susan.Joy@albertsons.com; trigone@trigonrecords.com; walkers_murrieta@yahoo.com Sent: 11/29/2005 9:02:52 PM Subject: Fwd: pof site progress Check out this link to Points of Friction ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
    um, refresh my memory...who are you and why are you spreading everybody's addresses out there for all to see?
     
     
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    To: Conniescans@prodigy.net;brenchica4@valp.net;ylbrowns@sbcglobal.net;L8KERS08@aol.com;RiverbratKell@aol.com;rymanpotter@adelphia.net;rdube@adelphia.net;gottaski@sbcglobal.net;george@m-audio.com;ngci@adelphia.net;imcdole@interwrx.com;spj903@juno.com;jkranitz@aural-innovations.com;KRosser414@aol.com;SaftyBear1@aol.com;stmjames@ms19.hinet.net;redrabbitlosangeles@yahoo.com;loachfillet@yahoo.com;Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com;catspoet@hotmail.com;MJKJFISHER@yahoo.com;msolomon@zebra.com;MarcMylar@aol.com;osullivanclan@sbcglobal.net;Patersonrl@paradise.net.nz;info@getcom.biz;GRADAI@socal.RR.com;Deanna@antelecom.net;richard_derrick@msn.com;richie@richiehass.com;richiehass@dslextreme.com;Karen.Riley@SDCourt.CA.Gov;KRileyms@hotmail.com;GRXLR8@aol.com;WonderxLand@aol.com;rubberxducky@sbcglobal.net;sachis2112@yahoo.com;gsmulti@spiritone.com;Mdsegal@earthlink.net;Scan4Kim@aol.com;Scanmt@aol.com;DWa2898572@aol.com
    Cc: viceroypronk@yahoo.com; moonmoth@netzero.net; backbiter@sbcglobal.net; spagyric@earthlink.net; profcantaloupe@yahoo.com; Christine@hennesseyproject.com; Chuck.Louie@albertsons.com; deb@deborahexit.com; Kathy.Flores@albertsons.com; sdjeepguy@mac.com; mgarrett@standardabrasives.com; GonzalesMignon@aol.com; hammer@pocketmail.com; heustis@comcast.net; info@k-9behavior.com; jeremy@k-9behavior.com; Frye1307@MSN.com; fkrejci@pacbell.net; SRYAH@aol.com; Cdnote@aol.com; kmoyes@optusnet.com.au; rantinraven@sbcglobal.net; ngutmacher@m-audio.com; phantomairship@yahoo.com; Randy.Kehoe@albertsons.com; Robert@getcom.biz; Rymanpotter@sbcglobal.net; santibanez.brown@verizon.net; Steve.Brown@albertsons.com; Sstraub425@aim.com; Susan.Joy@albertsons.com; trigone@trigonrecords.com; walkers_murrieta@yahoo.com
    Sent: 11/29/2005 9:02:52 PM
    Subject: Fwd: pof site progress

    Check out this link to Points of Friction
    ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 02:25:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AFAC3BEE7; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 02:25:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=NWyUuWIEIf7++0Ef6TAvQNR+P+e129YEfwfFULPLxeZ3UGaULU7IoKNy0cHX9r9r; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220051133022959960@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Fwd: pof site progress Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:30:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94069a0a0000f12c8c3cb7ac9a993eecd37350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.44 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 02:25:21 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII of course, I made the very same faux pas just a few weeks ago ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Conniescans@prodigy.net;brenchica4@valp.net;ylbrowns@sbcglobal.net;L8KERS08@aol.com;RiverbratKell@aol.com;rymanpotter@adelphia.net;rdube@adelphia.net;gottaski@sbcglobal.net;george@m-audio.com;ngci@adelphia.net;imcdole@interwrx.com;spj903@juno.com;jkranitz@aural-innovations.com;KRosser414@aol.com;SaftyBear1@aol.com;stmjames@ms19.hinet.net;redrabbitlosangeles@yahoo.com;loachfillet@yahoo.com;Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com;catspoet@hotmail.com;MJKJFISHER@yahoo.com;msolomon@zebra.com;MarcMylar@aol.com;osullivanclan@sbcglobal.net;Patersonrl@paradise.net.nz;info@getcom.biz;GRADAI@socal.RR.com;Deanna@antelecom.net;richard_derrick@msn.com;richie@richiehass.com;richiehass@dslextreme.com;Karen.Riley@SDCourt.CA.Gov;KRileyms@hotmail.com;GRXLR8@aol.com;WonderxLand@aol.com;rubberxducky@sbcglobal.net;sachis2112@yahoo.com;gsmulti@spiritone.com;Mdsegal@earthlink.net;Scan4Kim@aol.com;Scanmt@aol.com;DWa2898572@aol.com Cc: viceroypronk@yahoo.com; moonmoth@netzero.net; backbiter@sbcglobal.net; spagyric@earthlink.net; profcantaloupe@yahoo.com; Christine@hennesseyproject.com; Chuck.Louie@albertsons.com; deb@deborahexit.com; Kathy.Flores@albertsons.com; sdjeepguy@mac.com; mgarrett@standardabrasives.com; GonzalesMignon@aol.com; hammer@pocketmail.com; heustis@comcast.net; info@k-9behavior.com; jeremy@k-9behavior.com; Frye1307@MSN.com; fkrejci@pacbell.net; SRYAH@aol.com; Cdnote@aol.com; kmoyes@optusnet.com.au; rantinraven@sbcglobal.net; ngutmacher@m-audio.com; phantomairship@yahoo.com; Randy.Kehoe@albertsons.com; Robert@getcom.biz; Rymanpotter@sbcglobal.net; santibanez.brown@verizon.net; Steve.Brown@albertsons.com; Sstraub425@aim.com; Susan.Joy@albertsons.com; trigone@trigonrecords.com; walkers_murrieta@yahoo.com Sent: 11/29/2005 9:02:52 PM Subject: Fwd: pof site progress Check out this link to Points of Friction ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
    of course, I made the very same faux pas just a few weeks ago ;-)
     
     
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    ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 30 02:33:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AA7E3BEE9; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 02:33:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <54.51b58c7a.30be6977@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 21:33:27 EST Subject: IT MUST'VE BEEN A SLOW DAY LOOPERS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_54.51b58c7a.30be6977_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 02:33:34 +0000 (UTC) --part1_54.51b58c7a.30be6977_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi gang, Until Kris posted his "test" a few minutes ago I don't think I=20 recieved an LD post all day. Everyone must've been busy=20 elsewhere making music -- or writing their Xmas letters to=20 Santa. Speaking of the old red-suited gent, I got to impersonate him (vocally) for a TV commercial today -- my first ever professional voice-over job. I guess getting old and fat is=20 good for something after all. My voice got so ragged towards the end the engineer said I sounded more like Tom Waits doing a "pirate" imitation than Santa Claus. This might be off-topic except I had to do it over and over and over, Then=20 I got to listen to the engineer sort through all of the different=20 "takes" trying to find the best bits to patch together -- not my favorite "looping" experience. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_54.51b58c7a.30be6977_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi gang,

    Until Kris posted his "test" a few minutes ago I don't think I
    recieved an LD post all day. Everyone must've been busy
    elsewhere making music -- or writing their Xmas letters to
    Santa. Speaking of the old red-suited gent, I got to impersonate
    him (vocally) for a TV commercial today -- my first ever
    professional voice-over job. I guess getting old and fat is
    good for something after all. My voice got so ragged towards
    the end the engineer said I sounded more like Tom Waits
    doing a "pirate" imitation than Santa Claus. This might be
    off-topic except I had to do it over and over and over, Then
    I got to listen to the engineer sort through all of the different
    "takes" trying to find the best bits to patch together -- not
    my favorite "looping" experience.

    Best regards,

    tEd =AE kiLLiAn

    "Different is not always better, but better is always different"

    http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
    http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
    http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
    http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
    http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
    http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
    http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

    Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
    BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
    AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
    RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
    and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
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