From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 1 00:58:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 224743BF0F; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 00:58:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200510010058.j910weCP094103@mailserver2.hushmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 17:58:36 -0700 To: Cc: Subject: Re: Amazon.com Scam Reply-To: jmshepherd@hushmail.com From: "Jim Shepherd" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 00:58:43 +0000 (UTC) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 A dead give-away is an IP address in front of the expected domain name. For a wealth of info, this worth a read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phishing On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 12:50:14 -0700 bruce tovsky wrote: >On Sep 30, 2005, at 3:03 PM, Tom Ritchford wrote: > >> In general, never ever click on a link from ANYONE that involves >> money... your bank, paypal, ebay, your credit card company. >> >> The link may be deceptive... if you can, type in the name you >expect >> to get. >> >> This avoids issues like the paypaI.com hoax (more obvious when >you see >> the URL as paypai.com)... > >i would highly recommend that everyone double-check phish & spoof >emails with the vendor/bank involved by manually typing in the >link >and/or logging into your account and check your messages there. >generally, ebay and banks (and credit cards, etc.) will post >messages >there that are also sent to your email account. legitimate >messages >can get lost/tossed and precious time wasted if one just trashes >anything >they think is a scam. be vigilant! from personal experience i can >tell >you >it will save you in the long run. >cheers >bruce > >bruce tovsky >www.skeletonhome.com > >"Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is to go insane." >Philip K. Dick -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify Version: Hush 2.4 wkYEARECAAYFAkM93zgACgkQG3muArBfqIld6gCdF1ioOi3Ez3xDLfftoQeZOos5VqEA n2zumibs/817/+PMhPPbTtjjk6cX =6A92 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 1 01:46:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B00B33BF15; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 01:46:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=clxEAHt5j2Z4o4xWyWAC3BgXxfbpEbPgngI+VxLriCvrcm39D7UE0dfl5XXmbwdL; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200510611516150@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: still goin clean Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 21:51:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940b0a9121be59513c4115b122233ed1458350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.145.66 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 01:46:47 +0000 (UTC) I find that running my signal through a large hamburger really beefs up my sound, but the 1/4" jacks get all full of ketchup and mayo, and if I keep it plugged in too long, well, um, after a few days it begins to smell. Hope this helps! Yours in Mad Cow, Tim "Where Are My Meds?" Mungenast > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 9/29/2005 10:54:18 PM > Subject: still goin clean > > playin straight thru my rang into my mixer addin a little > verb.....HEAVEN.....but that voice in the back of my head keeps goin, "add > some ineko add some bitrman some space station make it "wacky"".....get thee > behind me SANTA or is that satan?.....oh, i so want to come to Y2K5 and have > the least equipment (THERE IS A $500.00 PRIZE THAT RICK NEVER TELLS PEOPLE > ABOUT).....bill makes him do this!.....mic > > http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 1 01:53:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15DCE3BF18; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 01:53:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=jU0mid9Eqal9w4FC43G8WbUq/XRUBf8uNZ9jtLHcEDV69PnOBUVMtHNmCOE+usLG; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22005106115749640@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Praising the Rat Re: still goin clean Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 21:57:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94096860dd7967cb7c42fa62d91341dba03350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.145.66 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 01:53:31 +0000 (UTC) I dunno...if I could only have 2 pedals, and they couldn't be my vintage thingies, then it'd be my '85 Rat and my 4-second looper. One of my friends, who sometimes goes through 2 big pedalboards AND a rack, says "my chain is the Rat and everything else." The Rat is hard to beat for Fripp and Mahavishnu sounds, which are textures that I find useful in my soloing. Having said that, I keep rotating the fx boxes I use so that I don't depend on any one bit of gear too heavily. But hey, different strokes, yes? Yours in Sound, Tim > [Original Message] > From: Kelly Coyle > To: > Date: 9/29/2005 11:00:52 PM > Subject: Re: still goin clean > > As I age, I find I play cleaner. I just off-loaded a bunch of > noisemakers, and I'm down to a Rat, a MURF (still love filters...), a > delay, the EDP, and amp reverb. I think the Rat is next to go. Maybe > someday just guitar and edp, who knows? > > > On Sep 29, 2005, at 9:54 PM, wrote: > > > playin straight thru my rang into my mixer addin a little > > verb.....HEAVEN.....but that voice in the back of my head keeps > > goin, "add > > some ineko add some bitrman some space station make it > > "wacky"".....get thee > > behind me SANTA or is that satan?.....oh, i so want to come to Y2K5 > > and have > > the least equipment (THERE IS A $500.00 PRIZE THAT RICK NEVER TELLS > > PEOPLE > > ABOUT).....bill makes him do this!.....mic > > > > http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 1 02:18:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33FB13BF0B; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 02:18:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <80.313cf15c.306f4c07@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 22:18:47 EDT Subject: Re: still goin clean To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_80.313cf15c.306f4c07_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: YES Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 02:18:52 +0000 (UTC) --part1_80.313cf15c.306f4c07_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/29/05 11:57:32 PM, ekstasis1@hotmail.com writes: > See ya in SC Michael..... > max.....sorry to say it won't be so this go round.....SIGH.....but rejoice! 2/3 of the BERNARDS will be there and they might do one of my cover tunes!.....:)m --part1_80.313cf15c.306f4c07_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 9/29/05 11:57:32 PM, ekstasis1@hotmail.com writes:


See ya in SC Michael.= ....


max.....sorry to say it won't be so this go round.....SIGH.....but rejoice!=20= 2/3 of the BERNARDS will be there and they might do one of my cover tunes!..= ...:)m --part1_80.313cf15c.306f4c07_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 1 02:26:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F2953BF18; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 02:26:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:26:18 -0800 Subject: Re: still goin clean From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <80.313cf15c.306f4c07@aol.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3210953178_277755_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 02:26:33 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3210953178_277755_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/29/05 11:57:32 PM, ekstasis1@hotmail.com writes: See ya in SC Michael..... max.....sorry to say it won't be so this go round.....SIGH.....but rejoice! 2/3 of the BERNARDS will be there and they might do one of my cover tunes!.....:)m WOT?? no MK? why not?? i will miss you & yer musica, bro... s --MS_Mac_OE_3210953178_277755_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: still goin clean
In a message dated 9/29/05 1= 1:57:32 PM, ekstasis1@hotmail.com writes:

See ya in SC Michael.....

max.....sorry to say it won't be so this go round.....SIGH.....but rejoice!= 2/3 of the BERNARDS will be there and they might do one of my cover tunes!.= ....:)m

WOT?? no MK? why not??
i will miss you & yer musica, bro...
s --MS_Mac_OE_3210953178_277755_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 1 02:42:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B901D3BF15; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 02:42:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <13d.1cb0a16c.306f5193@aol.com> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 22:42:27 EDT Subject: Re: still goin clean To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_13d.1cb0a16c.306f5193_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: YES Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 02:42:34 +0000 (UTC) --part1_13d.1cb0a16c.306f5193_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/30/05 10:26:40 PM, stanitarium@earthlink.net writes: > no MK? > stano.....i only look like a playboy!.....i must feed the masses!.....work issues, lost several fellow employees and can't get away.....so i will make lots-o-scoot and buy 4 more BITRMAN then when i get over this "folk looper jag" i can really FREAK OUT!.....wheeeeeeeee!.....:)m --part1_13d.1cb0a16c.306f5193_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 9/30/05 10:26:40 PM, stanitarium@earthlink.net writes:

no MK?


stano.....i only look like a playboy!.....i must feed the masses!.....work i= ssues, lost several fellow employees and can't get away.....so i will make l= ots-o-scoot and buy 4 more BITRMAN then when i get over this "folk looper ja= g" i can really FREAK OUT!.....wheeeeeeeee!.....:)m --part1_13d.1cb0a16c.306f5193_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 1 02:53:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8714E3BF17; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 02:53:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Live & Internet Broadcast Looping Performance (Oct. 1) Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 20:53:21 -0600 Message-ID: <008901c5c633$4be07480$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008A_01C5C601.01460480" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-SpamDetect: *: 1.772000 Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 174, in=432, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 02:53:33 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01C5C601.01460480 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_008B_01C5C601.01460480" ------=_NextPart_001_008B_01C5C601.01460480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Live & Internet Broadcast Looping Performance Me, myself, and I...the Id, Ego, and Super Ego on acoustic guitar and hand percussion......100% real-time improvisational looping w/ no cheese and nothing canned * What: Two hours of improvisational looping streamed to the web in real-time * Where: Moxie Java Silverston at 1630 S. Eagle Road, Meridian, Idaho (USA), / 208.888.4205 / http://www.moxiejavameridian.com/silverstone.html * When: Saturday, October 1, from 8:00 to 10:00pm U.S. Mountain Standard Time (7pm US Pacific Time, 9pm US Central, 10pm US Eastern) / Time Zone Converter: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedform.html (use USA - Idaho - Boise) * Streamed to the web at: http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen" - limited to 30 listening seats, so it is a first come first serve basis) * Provide real-time feedback using instant messengers: Yahoo (kris_hartung), MSN (kris.hartung@hp.com), AOL (krispenhartung), or ICQ (272583693) * Recommended players are as follows: Windows users should use Winamp http://www.winamp.com/winamp/download / Mac users should use Audion http://www.panic.com/ppack/audion/index.html / Linux/X Windows users should use XMMS http://www.xmms.org * Please don't hesitate to email with any questions regarding system requirements, performance times, or stream access * Note: If for any reason you aren't able to access the steam, it probably means that I had technical difficulties at the venue with their WI-FI New solo CD "Descent to Self" is now available in physical format and is for sale at the Record Exchange here in Boise and online at CD Baby: http://www.cdbaby.com/krispen3 Descent to Self is a musical and introspective exploration of ideas inspired by themes such as theoretical physics, science fiction, mathematics, and philosophy. By means of real-time looping technology, Krispen Hartung weaves an avant-garde and improvisational tapestry of sounds that are colorful, innovative, and mood provoking. This instrumental work showcases Hartung's ability to fuse avant-garde jazz, experimental, and ambient music into a multi-faceted musical experience. Reviews "Awe inspiring. The atmospheric bed you laid is a hauntingly beautiful foundation for some emotionally charged guitar fx. A blissfully meditative piece. Great guitar work and improvisational skills!" - Valkir "Really very good. The guitar solo part is fantastic, you really sound like you are an accomplished player. Was not expecting to like this as usually try to avoid the guitar but was pleasantly surprised." - DRT "Ok this is STUNNING I'm speechless. What can you say BUT JUST EXCELLENT. Too many things here to complement. Talented to the MAX. Cheers." - Kat Speel Learn more about the Descent to Self, view CD artwork, and download the entire CD in MP3 format for free here: http://www.krispenhartung.com/descent ************************************************************************ ********************** Krispen Hartung Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 Subscribe to email list: krispenhartung-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Performance Calendar: http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartu ng Gear setup: http://www.krispenhartung.com/gear.htm Over 80 free MP3s: http://www.krispenhartung.com/mp3.htm Music & Video Descent to Self: http://www.krispenhartung.com/descent Live at the Kulture Klatsch: http://www.krispenhartung.com/hartung&miresse Places: http://www.krispenhartung.com/cd.htm Assaults & Reprieves: http://www.krispenhartung.com/humesfork Microscopic Horrors: http://www.krispenhartung.com/dvd.htm ------=_NextPart_001_008B_01C5C601.01460480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Live & Internet Broadcast Looping=20 Performance
Me, myself, and I...the Id, Ego, and Super Ego=20 on acoustic guitar and hand percussion......100% real-time = improvisational looping w/ no cheese and nothing=20 canned
  • What:  Two = hours of improvisational = looping=20 streamed to the web in real-time=20
  • Where: Moxie Java Silverston at = 1630 S. Eagle=20 Road, Meridian, Idaho (USA), / 208.888.4205 /=20 http://www.moxiejavameridian.com/silverstone.html= =20
  • When:=20 Saturday, October=20 1, from 8:00 to=20 10:00pm U.S. Mountain Standard Time = (7pm US Pacific=20 Time, 9pm US Central, 10pm US Eastern) / Time=20 Zone Converter: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedform.html<= /A> (use USA - Idaho - Boise)=20
  • Streamed to the web = at: http://216.12.162.58:9030/=20 (Click on "Listen"  - limited to 30 listening seats, so it is a = first=20 come first serve basis)
  • Provide real-time feedback using = instant=20 messengers: Yahoo (kris_hartung), MSN (kris.hartung@hp.com), AOL=20 (krispenhartung), or ICQ (272583693)
  • Recommended players are as follows: = Windows users=20 should use Winamp http://www.winamp.com/winamp/download / Mac users should use Audion http://www.panic.com/ppack/audion/index.html / Linux/X Windows users should use XMMS = http://www.xmms.org=20
  • Please don't hesitate to email with = any questions=20 regarding system requirements, performance times, or stream = access=20
  • Note: If for any reason you aren't = able to access=20 the steam, it probably means that I had technical difficulties at the = venue=20 with their WI-FI

New solo CD "Descent to = Self" is now=20 available in physical format and is for sale at the Record Exchange here in Boise = and online=20 at CD Baby: http://www.cdbaby.com/krispen3



Descent to=20 Self is a=20 musical and introspective = exploration=20 of ideas inspired by themes such as theoretical physics, science = fiction,=20 mathematics, and philosophy. By means of real-time looping technology, = Krispen=20 Hartung weaves an avant-garde and improvisational tapestry of sounds = that are=20 colorful, innovative, and mood provoking. This instrumental work = showcases=20 Hartung's ability to fuse avant-garde jazz, experimental, and ambient = music into=20 a multi-faceted musical experience.

Reviews

"Awe inspiring. The atmospheric bed = you laid is=20 a hauntingly beautiful foundation for some emotionally charged guitar = fx. A=20 blissfully meditative piece. = Great=20 guitar work and improvisational skills!" - Valkir =

"Really very good.  The guitar = solo part is=20 fantastic, you really sound like you are an accomplished player. Was not = expecting to like this as usually try to avoid the guitar but was = pleasantly=20 surprised." - DRT

"Ok this is STUNNING I'm speechless. What = can you=20 say BUT JUST EXCELLENT. Too many things here to complement. Talented to = the MAX.=20 Cheers." - Kat Speel 

Learn more about=20 the Descent to=20 Self, view CD=20 artwork, and download the entire=20 CD in MP3 format for free here: http://www.krispenhartung.com/descent
****************************************************************= ******************************
Krispen Hartung
Improvisational /=20 Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603
Subscribe to email list:=20 krispenhartung-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Performance Calendar:
http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3D= Krispen%20Hartung
Gear setup: http://www.krispenhartung.com/gear.htm
Over 80 free=20 MP3s: http://www.krispenhartung.com/mp3.htm=20
Music & Video =
Descent to Self: http://www.krispenhartung.com/descent
Live at = the Kulture=20 Klatsch: http://www.krispenhartung.com/hartung&miresse
Places: http://www.krispenhartung.com/cd.htm
Assaults = &=20 Reprieves: http://www.krispenhartung.com/humesfork
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------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C5C650.4BB28080-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 1 12:21:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C30D3BF1E; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 12:21:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <433E807A.9080304@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 08:26:34 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Syncing 2 EDP loops to drum machine tempo References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 12:21:21 +0000 (UTC) Matthew W. Prull wrote: > Having trouble trying to get 2 loops to play to tempo with a drum machine. > For reference, I have 2 EDPs with LoopIV connected in stereo, and a Boss > DR880 drum machine. MIDI out from master EDP goes into MIDI in to slave > EDP, and MIDI thru on the slave goes to MIDI in on the DR880. Hi Matt, I don't own any EDPs but have a thought for your consideration. If the drum machine is having buffer over runs, perhaps making it the clock master may correct this situation. Of course, since I don't know the EDP, I don't know how yours will react slaving to an external MIDI clock. Another solution (whichever you ultimately choose as MIDI clock master) is to filter out all MIDI messages except for those related to MIDI timing. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 1 12:45:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA9883BF24; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 12:45:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <433E8624.7080004@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 08:50:44 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Galactic Travels Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup , WDIY Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #445 for September 29, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 12:45:38 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/050929.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #445 September 29, 2005 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Ken Martin. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Berlin Impressions Volume 3" on Space for Music Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Heldon 4/Agneta Nilsson" by Heldon on Urus Records and released in 1976. Ken Martin - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#sep PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Heldon Perspective II Heldon 4/Agneta Nilsson (Urus) Dean De Benedictis The Tech Atonement of Salvaging the Past Bilagana (Spotted Peccary) Robert Schroeder Doo Doo Brainchips (Spheric) Stephen Parsick Das Auge des Horus Hoellenengel (doombient) Stephen Parsick Auf dem Boden tote Hoellenengel (doombient) Engel verstreut Mystified The Moon Ate the Sun The Hand of Jayanti (Blue Water) Chris Bocast Intake Through the Airlock (none) Chris Bocast Numinous Through the Airlock (none) 12:00 am Ken Martin Through the Vortex of Berlin Impressions Vol. 3 (Space Liquid Lights for Music) Ken Martin On the Horizon of Kaldas Berlin Impressions Vol. 3 (SFM) Ken Martin Impressions Berlin Impressions Vol. 3 (SFM) Ken Martin Andromeda Fallout Berlin Impressions Vol. 3 (SFM) Ken Martin Neurophasing Berlin Impressions Vol. 3 (SFM) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on Remote Spaces. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Silos." The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Hamonia" by Harmonia on Brain Records and released in 1974. Bill =============================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4:00 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Service Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 1 13:47:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CFE33BF1C; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 13:47:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <433E94AB.30601@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 09:52:43 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Galactic Travels Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup , WDIY Subject: Galactic Travels Monthly Top 20 Reports for August and September, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 13:47:38 +0000 (UTC) Catching up on Monthly Top 20 Reports... http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/top20aug.html http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/top20sep.html === WDIY 88.1 FM "Galactic Travels" Top 20 for August, 2005. Shows #437 to #440; 4-August-2005 to 25-August-2005 Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order. Compiled by Bill Fox website: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL =========================================================== Amongst Myselves - Still Life - RMC Arttek - Arttek 2005 - none Can Atilla - Concorde - Groove Colin Mansfield - Millions - Blue Water Falling You - Touch - Magnatune Hammock - Stranded Under Endless Sky - none Hemisphere - Rambling Voyage - Groove Klaus Schulze - Audentity - Revisited Klaus Schulze - Body Love - Revisited Klaus Schulze - Dune - Revisited Klaus Schulze - Miditerranean Pads - Revisited Ozone Player - Frozen Paint On Boiling Canvas - Visual Power Palancar - Broadcasts - none Patrick O'Hearn - Slow Time - none Sunya Beat - The Jelenia Gora Sessions - Ricochet Dream Surface 10 - Borrowed Time 2000 - Space for Music Transceive - Intrigue - Champagne Lake Various Artists - E-dition #8 - Groove Various Artists - To the Sky and Beyond the Stars - Quantum Wendy Carlos - Rediscovering Lost Scores Vol. 1 - East Side Digital === WDIY 88.1 FM "Galactic Travels" Top 20 for September, 2005. Shows #441 to #445; 1-September-2005 to 29-September-2005 Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order. Compiled by Bill Fox website: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL =========================================================== Alpha Wave Movement - Beyond Silence - HRR Archetribe - Waterworks - Stretta Astrogator - The Darkness Between - none Chris Bocast - Through the Airlock - none Christopher Short - - AtmoWorks Dean De Benedictis - Salvaging the Past - Spotted Peccary John Duval - Hell's Canyon - Hypnos/Binary Ken Martin - Berlin Impressions Vol. 3 - Space for Music Ken Martin - Beyond Ultraviolet - Space for Music Ken Martin - Crystal Voyage - Space for Music Ken Martin - Spheres - Space for Music Ken Martin - Transparent Shadows - Space for Music Mystified - The Hand of Jayanti - Blue Water Robert Schroeder - Brainchips - Spheric Sonic Sounds, Inc. - SSI - Azra/Chlorophyll Stephen Parsick - Hoellenengel - doombient Various Artists - Arcs & Angels - Atomic City Various Artists - E-dition #8 - Groove William Edge - Breathing Without Air: The Universe Within - Sounds Blue Xeroid Entity - Live at the Deer Head Inn - Electro-MusicMedia Bill =============================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4:00 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Service Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 1 15:42:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F9FD3BEF1; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 15:42:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004801c5c69e$bf1b0a80$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: re: Dr. Zvonar Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 08:42:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 15:42:37 +0000 (UTC) thanks for sharing that, Rick Bob Beede and I are going to do a tribute piece in Richard's honor for the closing performance at the Y2K5 festival , next Saturday evening, October 8th at close to 10:00 p.m. Bob is going to do some spoken word about Richard's life while I ,humbly, will play 'Richard' to Bob's 'Diamanda Galas' and process his vocals with my loopers. Reading this made me remember the first time I met Richard. Richard, Bob and I did an avante garde electronic performance together on the same bill in 1982 which was the first time in my life that I ever looped........................it was under the influence of a brilliant (and then,very young) musician that I played with at the time, Michael Haumesser who was the very first person I ever heard who spliced his own lo fi cassette tapes loops to make music he called, "not noise" (www.notnoise.com). Not Michael and Jim Rutledge and I called ourselves "Tao Electrical" for that evening as we were the rhythm section for a popular local new wave band called "Tao Chemical". Bob Beede was my first professor of electronic music and he played on the bill with a good friend of his, the first PHD I ever met in music, Dr. Zvonar. I still have the poster for that one somewhere. I remember that I felt sooooo grown up...................playing 'art' music..............electronic music..............with not only my professor but his PHD friend with the great reputation from lands to the south of us.......running tape loops on a borrowed tube Echoplex with the erase head disengaged............leaving the stage at the break between acts and letting all three of those tube Echoplexes keep running their rather ambient tapes out of sync with each other. It was a heady time and I owe a lot to Dr. Z. We all miss him. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Williamson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 4:21 AM Subject: Dr. Zvonar audioMIDI.com put up a tribute page for Dr. Z. http://www.audiomidi.com/classroom/cedge/cutting_edge_zvonar.cfm?CPID=1397 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 1 17:20:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 247743BEF1; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 17:20:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.93.77.27] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ekstasis1@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <80.313cf15c.306f4c07@aol.com> From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: still goin clean Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 17:20:49 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2005 17:20:49.0670 (UTC) FILETIME=[77CFAA60:01C5C6AC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 17:20:51 +0000 (UTC) max.....sorry to say it won't be so this go round.....SIGH.....but rejoice! >2/3 of the BERNARDS will be there and they might do one of my cover >tunes!.....:)m HA! Then I am a shoe-in to win that coveted "smallest rig" prize....unless Kungha shows up with his Contrabass Kazoo thru a Boss Delay pedal set-up. Sorry I will miss ya Michael..... Max From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 1 18:10:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 577173BEFA; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 18:10:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UUeqjbCpeMunpdDiaSnthEqYHVNQCH4QgKFo5Rlk/7v8JdY5iIWK/wAm2zATiYqMMadEuFz5no7eXrpzxaSY9ZwlfNz3LvtbYQ1YYF1qKTdR+dwlMXH/YIcr5RptMUwJlq/ZOd2XD6vAhOhx9bV3pzujuNEeNOYmUAbZNsSw+FY= ; Message-ID: <20051001181040.25607.qmail@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 11:10:40 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: REQ: loop devices and amps for busking/slightly way off topic... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <01a001c5c423$4e7272f0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-866498639-1128190240=:25316" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 18:10:41 +0000 (UTC) --0-866498639-1128190240=:25316 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit yeah batteries rule. i use the micro cube, dl4, volume/wha pedal, ebow for (busking?is that what ya call it?)playing the street.the roland gets a fair battery life from 6 aa's depending how much i use the ebow(that high saturated sound eats up power at twice the rate).i get a lot of charge time with the dl4 and it warns ya when you are getting low(about 20 min from ground zero).i can get away with useing fugi batteries from the dollor store(never the blue and white panasonics,and forget ever/ready)line six loses a little clarity after it warns ya your low/micro cube stays stong till all the sudden muddy death...i think sitting directlly on concreate drains stuff faster but the could be just me..im all high on weed all the time so my judgement is sketchy at best...i carry all this stuff and a 12-1g string on my bicycle about ten miles to the art/tipping zone(great cardivascular but a long ride home)my mom just got me a bike trailer so that will make it a little more easy when i hit the road.i hope she brings it home today i need to go make some bag money.sheeesh what is the topic i strayed from?oh yea batteries dont leave home without em! Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: Hi I'm trying to find out which battery-operated loop devices and amps exist. (I mean portable and independent of wall outlet... for busking!) >From http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/tools.html I collected: Line6 DL-4 Boss Gigadelay DD-20 Akai E2 Headrush Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Digital Delay Peavey PVDJ Boomerang Boomerang So far, I know the DL-4, Gigadelay DD-20 are battery operable but I'm not sure about the others. Maybe it could make sense to add this criterion (battery-operable or not) to the "Tools of the Trade" pages? Are there any other battery-operated loop devices? I'm not mentioning the Boss RC-20 and RC-20XL because they don't allow to control Feedback: it's always at 100%, right? In this vein I'd be interested in experiences of other musicians on this list with battery-based looping, including portable amps... E.g. Gary Lehmann seems to be experienced in this? http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200404/msg00085.html Thank you Bernhard --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-866498639-1128190240=:25316 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
yeah batteries rule.
i use the micro cube, dl4, volume/wha pedal, ebow for (busking?is that what ya call it?)playing the street.the roland gets a fair battery life from 6 aa's depending how much i use the ebow(that high saturated sound eats up power at twice the rate).i get a lot of charge time with the dl4 and it warns ya when you are getting low(about 20 min from ground zero).i can get away with useing fugi batteries from the dollor store(never the blue and white panasonics,and forget ever/ready)line six loses a little clarity after it warns ya  your low/micro cube stays stong till all the sudden muddy death...i think sitting directlly on concreate drains stuff faster but the could be just me..im all high on weed all the time so my judgement is sketchy at best...i carry all this stuff and a 12-1g string on my bicycle about ten miles to the art/tipping zone(great cardivascular but a long ride home)my mom just got me a bike trailer so that will make it a little more easy when i hit the road.i hope she brings it home today i need to go make some bag money.sheeesh what is the topic i strayed from?oh yea batteries dont leave home without em!

Bernhard Wagner LD <loopdelightml@nosuch.biz> wrote:
Hi

I'm trying to find out which battery-operated loop devices and amps exist.
(I mean portable and independent of wall outlet... for busking!)

From http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/tools.html I collected:
Line6 DL-4
Boss Gigadelay DD-20
Akai E2 Headrush
Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Digital Delay
Peavey PVDJ
Boomerang Boomerang

So far, I know the DL-4, Gigadelay DD-20 are battery operable but I'm not
sure about the others.
Maybe it could make sense to add this criterion (battery-operable or not) to
the "Tools of the Trade" pages?

Are there any other battery-operated loop devices?
I'm not mentioning the Boss RC-20 and RC-20XL because they don't allow to
control Feedback: it's always at 100%, right?

In this vein I'd be interested in experiences of other musicians on this
list with battery-based looping, including portable amps...

E.g. Gary Lehmann seems to be experienced in this?
http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200404/msg00085.html

Thank you
Bernhard


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Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-866498639-1128190240=:25316-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 1 18:22:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA1473BEDE; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 18:22:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 11:22:01 -0700 Subject: Re: Repeater OS2 From: Kevin Goldsmith To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <33d628335de03457acafdb764baf6494@suitandtieguy.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 18:22:07 +0000 (UTC) Sorry to rehash this, just catching up on old mail. I think it is cool for Access and Electrix to let us know what is coming down the pipe. I definitely prefer it to Apple's sneak attack where you can only be sure you aren't buying something immediately-to-be-outdated if you buy it the day of the announcement. I think where both Access and Electrix are going wrong is by not following up with more transparency. Give us a freaking blog or something where an Electrix engineer says "we're getting behind schedule, we're having problems with the power supply, but I think we'll have it fixed up in the next month and so we'll only be a little late" If you are going to announce before you are ready, you gotta let people know why you are late. Kevin On 9/27/05 11:12 PM, "Suit & Tie Guy" wrote: > On Sep 27, 2005, at 2:59 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: >> products see the same types of issues. I've been >> watching Access Virus fans lamenting about the year >> late Virus TI synth. Very similar situation. Company > > yeah. > > i think the bottom line is "keep your trap shut until you ship". > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 1 18:27:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85AD83BF07; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 18:27:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 11:26:59 -0700 Subject: Re: loop devices and amps for busking From: Kevin Goldsmith To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_4od7D.A.gID.5TtPDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 18:27:05 +0000 (UTC) On 9/28/05 2:27 PM, "Matthias Grob" wrote: > well, laptops are battery powered and easy to carry arround... > So are portable CD players and about as exciting to watch performances of :) (just kidding) Kevin On 9/28/05 2:27 PM, "Matthias Grob" wrote: > well, laptops are battery powered and easy to carry arround... > >> Battery operated 1/2 watt amp >> http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=103173 >> >> Batteries last for a long time in the LoFI LJ. Wouldn`t the DL-4 and DD-20 >> eat >> batteries for breakfast? >> >> T. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" >> >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 1:53 PM >> Subject: REQ: loop devices and amps for busking >> >> >> Hi >> >> I'm trying to find out which battery-operated loop devices and amps exist. >> (I mean portable and independent of wall outlet... for busking!) >> >> From http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/tools.html I collected: >> Line6 DL-4 >> Boss Gigadelay DD-20 >> Akai E2 Headrush >> Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Digital Delay >> Peavey PVDJ >> Boomerang Boomerang >> >> So far, I know the DL-4, Gigadelay DD-20 are battery operable but I'm not >> sure about the others. >> Maybe it could make sense to add this criterion (battery-operable or not) to >> the "Tools of the Trade" pages? >> >> Are there any other battery-operated loop devices? >> I'm not mentioning the Boss RC-20 and RC-20XL because they don't allow to >> control Feedback: it's always at 100%, right? >> >> In this vein I'd be interested in experiences of other musicians on this >> list with battery-based looping, including portable amps... >> >> E.g. Gary Lehmann seems to be experienced in this? >> http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200404/msg00085.html >> >> Thank you >> Bernhard > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 1 18:33:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08CAA3BF0C; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 18:33:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 11:37:49 -0700 Subject: Re: still goin clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Scott Drengsen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <779EB9B0-32AA-11DA-8B41-00050263BC96@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 18:33:29 +0000 (UTC) Actually this year it will be an Eventide and stereo EDPs Kungha On Saturday, October 1, 2005, at 10:20 AM, max valentino wrote: > > > max.....sorry to say it won't be so this go round.....SIGH.....but > rejoice! >> 2/3 of the BERNARDS will be there and they might do one of my cover >> tunes!.....:)m > > > HA! Then I am a shoe-in to win that coveted "smallest rig" > prize....unless Kungha shows up with his Contrabass Kazoo thru a Boss > Delay pedal set-up. > > Sorry I will miss ya Michael..... > > Max > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 1 18:55:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B88DA3BEE0; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 18:55:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5C6B9.65B503BD" Subject: New Mackie Board and Multiple Instrument Looping Setup Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 12:53:21 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01503C77@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: New Mackie Board and Multiple Instrument Looping Setup Thread-Index: AcXGuWU2Zp5zophrQkm3+5h3ZLrHJw== From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Oct 2005 18:53:23.0507 (UTC) FILETIME=[6627F030:01C5C6B9] Resent-Message-ID: <7pPpNC.A.i_D.4utPDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 18:55:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5C6B9.65B503BD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lately I have been integrating more instruments into my looping performances (dumbeks, darbukas, frame drums, kanjira, vocals, etc), and also other players that don't have looping gear, which has proven to be rather frustrating with my Mackie 1202VLX Pro because it has only two effect loops, and an aux 3/4 loop that is activated with the mute button, but creates some more frustrating results when going out of the aux 3/4 lines into my EDPs and back into the board - viz,. pressing the mute button includes that channel/instrument in the EDP mix, but it removes it from the headphone mix, and visa-versa with you deactivate mute. Poor design in my opinion...they should have made another button besides mute to route the aux 3/4 mix to the main mix.=20 Anyway, I resolved the issue. I bought a Mackie 1642VLX Pro, which I love! http://www.mackie.com/products/1642vlzpro/=20 It has four busses and four aux channels, but the busses work great for multiple instrument looping. This is what I did, which makes is super easy to press a single button and pop any instrument in out of the EDP mix. I ran out of buss 1 and 2 outputs in the back of the board, into the inputs of the EDPs, and then out of the EDPs into two channels of the board (in stereo). Each channel on this board has a series of buss activation buttons that allows you to send the signal to one of the busses (in pairs). So I make buss 1 left and buss 2 right and then pan the channels appropriately. Hence with one button push, I can remove or add the channel to the EDP mix. I can do this with any of the 16 channels on the board. So I have my guitar in two channels, the EDP mix in another two, and then the rest are for other players, my hand percussion, vocals, etc. Works great! Plus this board has two separate headphone outputs and a monitor output, which I use to route to my other laptop for streaming to the web. I got a screaming deal on this board from Sweetwater Music for $465. Kris ************************************************************************ **************** Krispen Hartung Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist=20 http://www.krispenhartung.com=20 info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603=20 Mojam Performance Calendar: http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3DKrispen%20Ha= rtu ng ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5C6B9.65B503BD Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable New Mackie Board and Multiple Instrument Looping Setup

Lately I have been integrating more = instruments into my looping performances (dumbeks, darbukas, frame = drums, kanjira, vocals, etc), and also other players that don't have = looping gear, which has proven to be rather frustrating with my Mackie = 1202VLX Pro because it has only two effect loops, and an aux 3/4 loop = that is activated with the mute button, but creates some more = frustrating results when going out of the aux 3/4 lines into my EDPs and = back into the board - viz,. pressing the mute button includes that = channel/instrument in the EDP mix, but it removes it from the headphone = mix, and visa-versa with you deactivate mute. Poor design in my = opinion…they should have made another button besides mute to route = the aux 3/4 mix to the main mix.

Anyway, I resolved the issue. I bought = a Mackie 1642VLX Pro, which I love!  http://www.mackie.com/products/1642vlzpro/<= FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">

It has four busses and four aux = channels, but the busses work great for multiple instrument looping. = This is what I did, which makes is super easy to press a single button = and pop any instrument in out of the EDP mix.

I ran out of buss 1 and 2 outputs in = the back of the board, into the inputs of the EDPs, and then out of the = EDPs into two channels of the board (in stereo). Each channel on this = board has a series of buss activation buttons that allows you to send = the signal to one of the busses (in pairs). So I make buss 1 left and = buss 2 right and then pan the channels appropriately. Hence with one = button push, I can remove or add the channel to the EDP mix. I can do = this with any of the 16 channels on the board. So I have my guitar in = two channels, the EDP mix in another two, and then the rest are for = other players, my hand percussion, vocals, etc.

Works great! Plus this board has two = separate headphone outputs and a monitor output, which I use to route to = my other laptop for streaming to the web. I got a screaming deal on this = board from Sweetwater Music for $465.

Kris

**********************************************************= ******************************
Krispen = Hartung
Improvisational / = Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603
Mojam Performance = Calendar:
http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&v= alue=3DKrispen%20Hartung







------_=_NextPart_001_01C5C6B9.65B503BD-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 1 20:37:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E7E83BEE9; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 20:37:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Transporting my acoustic guitar to santa cruz on my flight, etc. Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 14:37:01 -0600 Message-ID: <00ad01c5c6c7$e3e98250$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 20:37:13 +0000 (UTC) Just some interesting tid bids and a follow up on this. I just called Horizon/Alaska, my airline to Santa Cruz, and the the place where they stow the a la carte bagage is both pressurized and temperature controlled....it's the same place they keep animals, so I'm not worred about freezing my acoustic guitar. The rep on the phone suggested I first try to get the guitar on the plane and sweet talk the stewardess. There is a closet on the plane, but it is not for customers...I have used this in the past or guitars, however. So, my plan is to enter the plane with my guitar and plead for them to put it in their closet, but if they can't, at least I know the guitar will not be in a temperature contolled area. I'm also plastering stickers all over it with Fragile, Handle with Care, etc. That's my plan, and I'm stickin' to it. What is everyone else doing? Bernhard? Kris -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:40 PM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: RE: still goin clean I think the under-carrier baggage areas temperatures are temperature controlled. Have you heard differently? I mean people put liquids in their baggage all of the time...shampoo, etc...I've never had a frozen item out of my baggage, even after a 14 hour trip from West US to Italy. This is a main concern too...a nice wood finish being exposed to sub-0 degrees is frightening, even if for only 1 1/2 hours. I may try to bring the guitar on board and sweet talk the stewardess into putting it somewhere....there must be some place. On my business drop to the Bay area last week, I saw a cello player walk off the same small plane with his instrument in a hard case. I was wondering wher he had it, or if he had purchased a seat for it. Or I could ship the guitar to someone in Santa Cruz...last resort. Better yet...get a Steinberger! :) It must be nice to be Kid Beyond. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:12 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: still goin clean It's not the air pressure to worry about, but the handlers and the cold, in that order. TravisH On 9/29/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > -----Original Message----- > > I hear you! I'm checking in my 5 space rack with the rest of my > baggage, and hope it doesn't go over the 60 pound limit. I hope to > check in my rack and a large suitcase with my wires and controllers, > and a few clothes, and then walk on the plane with my two laptops and > guitar. The flight from Boise to San Jose is short and on a small > plane with no closets, so I think I will have to put my acoustic > guitar on the a la carte and have it stored under the plane. I don't > know what else to do. The overhead compartments in the plane are too > small for my electric, otherwise I would bring it. No closets, no > overheads...leads to only checking my guitar in...but I'm sure it is > pressurized where they store the a la carte bags. > > Kris > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 1 21:07:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82F2A3BF04; Sat, 1 Oct 2005 21:07:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.1.0 From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: Transporting my acoustic guitar to santa cruz on my flight, etc. Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 23:07:35 +0200 Message-ID: <000c01c5c6cc$290f3e20$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <00ad01c5c6c7$e3e98250$6501a8c0@khartung> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 21:07:56 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kris My procedure is basically the same as yours, only, because it's an over-the-big-pond-flight the lockers (or "overhead compartments") are big enough to accommodate my cute little guitar. They've denied cabin-access to it before, declaring it as "carry-on luggage", which was fine by me, too. HTH Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Samstag, 1. Oktober 2005 22:37 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Transporting my acoustic guitar to santa cruz on my flight, etc. > > Just some interesting tid bids and a follow up on this. I just called > Horizon/Alaska, my airline to Santa Cruz, and the the place where they > stow the a la carte bagage is both pressurized and temperature > controlled....it's the same place they keep animals, so I'm not worred > about freezing my acoustic guitar. The rep on the phone suggested I > first try to get the guitar on the plane and sweet talk the stewardess. > There is a closet on the plane, but it is not for customers...I have > used this in the past or guitars, however. So, my plan is to enter the > plane with my guitar and plead for them to put it in their closet, but > if they can't, at least I know the guitar will not be in a temperature > contolled area. I'm also plastering stickers all over it with Fragile, > Handle with Care, etc. That's my plan, and I'm stickin' to it. > > What is everyone else doing? Bernhard? > > Kris > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:40 PM > To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' > Subject: RE: still goin clean > > > I think the under-carrier baggage areas temperatures are temperature > controlled. Have you heard differently? I mean people put liquids in > their baggage all of the time...shampoo, etc...I've never had a frozen > item out of my baggage, even after a 14 hour trip from West US to Italy. > This is a main concern too...a nice wood finish being exposed to sub-0 > degrees is frightening, even if for only 1 1/2 hours. I may try to > bring the guitar on board and sweet talk the stewardess into putting it > somewhere....there must be some place. On my business drop to the Bay > area last week, I saw a cello player walk off the same small plane with > his instrument in a hard case. I was wondering wher he had it, or if he > had purchased a seat for it. > > Or I could ship the guitar to someone in Santa Cruz...last resort. > Better yet...get a Steinberger! :) It must be nice to be Kid Beyond. > > Kris > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:12 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: still goin clean > > > It's not the air pressure to worry about, but the handlers and the cold, > in that order. > > TravisH > > On 9/29/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > I hear you! I'm checking in my 5 space rack with the rest of my > > baggage, and hope it doesn't go over the 60 pound limit. I hope to > > check in my rack and a large suitcase with my wires and controllers, > > and a few clothes, and then walk on the plane with my two laptops and > > guitar. The flight from Boise to San Jose is short and on a small > > plane with no closets, so I think I will have to put my acoustic > > guitar on the a la carte and have it stored under the plane. I don't > > know what else to do. The overhead compartments in the plane are too > > small for my electric, otherwise I would bring it. No closets, no > > overheads...leads to only checking my guitar in...but I'm sure it is > > pressurized where they store the a la carte bags. > > > > Kris > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 2 00:04:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8CFB3BEE9; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 00:04:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Transporting my acoustic guitar to santa cruz on my flight, etc. Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 17:04:27 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <000c01c5c6cc$290f3e20$2101a8c0@alhambra> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 00:04:28 +0000 (UTC) Hmmm I'm not sure I'd call your guitar cute, Handsome in a weather beaten Clint Eastwood would be more appropriate, You talkin tele or that Ibanez thingy? Bill -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Wagner LD [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 2:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Transporting my acoustic guitar to santa cruz on my flight, etc. Hi Kris My procedure is basically the same as yours, only, because it's an over-the-big-pond-flight the lockers (or "overhead compartments") are big enough to accommodate my cute little guitar. They've denied cabin-access to it before, declaring it as "carry-on luggage", which was fine by me, too. HTH Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Samstag, 1. Oktober 2005 22:37 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Transporting my acoustic guitar to santa cruz on my flight, etc. > > Just some interesting tid bids and a follow up on this. I just called > Horizon/Alaska, my airline to Santa Cruz, and the the place where they > stow the a la carte bagage is both pressurized and temperature > controlled....it's the same place they keep animals, so I'm not worred > about freezing my acoustic guitar. The rep on the phone suggested I > first try to get the guitar on the plane and sweet talk the stewardess. > There is a closet on the plane, but it is not for customers...I have > used this in the past or guitars, however. So, my plan is to enter the > plane with my guitar and plead for them to put it in their closet, but > if they can't, at least I know the guitar will not be in a temperature > contolled area. I'm also plastering stickers all over it with Fragile, > Handle with Care, etc. That's my plan, and I'm stickin' to it. > > What is everyone else doing? Bernhard? > > Kris > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:40 PM > To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' > Subject: RE: still goin clean > > > I think the under-carrier baggage areas temperatures are temperature > controlled. Have you heard differently? I mean people put liquids in > their baggage all of the time...shampoo, etc...I've never had a frozen > item out of my baggage, even after a 14 hour trip from West US to Italy. > This is a main concern too...a nice wood finish being exposed to sub-0 > degrees is frightening, even if for only 1 1/2 hours. I may try to > bring the guitar on board and sweet talk the stewardess into putting it > somewhere....there must be some place. On my business drop to the Bay > area last week, I saw a cello player walk off the same small plane with > his instrument in a hard case. I was wondering wher he had it, or if he > had purchased a seat for it. > > Or I could ship the guitar to someone in Santa Cruz...last resort. > Better yet...get a Steinberger! :) It must be nice to be Kid Beyond. > > Kris > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:12 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: still goin clean > > > It's not the air pressure to worry about, but the handlers and the cold, > in that order. > > TravisH > > On 9/29/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > I hear you! I'm checking in my 5 space rack with the rest of my > > baggage, and hope it doesn't go over the 60 pound limit. I hope to > > check in my rack and a large suitcase with my wires and controllers, > > and a few clothes, and then walk on the plane with my two laptops and > > guitar. The flight from Boise to San Jose is short and on a small > > plane with no closets, so I think I will have to put my acoustic > > guitar on the a la carte and have it stored under the plane. I don't > > know what else to do. The overhead compartments in the plane are too > > small for my electric, otherwise I would bring it. No closets, no > > overheads...leads to only checking my guitar in...but I'm sure it is > > pressurized where they store the a la carte bags. > > > > Kris > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 2 01:07:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A05903BEF3; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 01:07:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=S38X28I2C0QU8gydl9gNdX31sT42XSCZxd6LyFmM1IylhFCbge6Gk7/opvqBWDcl; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22005100211122550@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: Dr. Zvonar Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 21:11:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9405b2ce68fe38d0bde2ab8fb05e2d540a3350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.147.142 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 01:07:03 +0000 (UTC) Dear G*d, will someone be taping this?!? Nice story on the '82 concert, BTW. I have a good mental picture of it. I am still amazed about the impact that Dr. Z's death had on me, considering I only knew him via e-mail. I guess it's just having fruitful communications with a friendly and extremely erudite person, a fellow who's "been there," then not hearing from him for a while, then finding out that he's gone and there will be no further communications and that I will never get to meet the guy. Not as sucky as losing my dad, to be sure, but sucky nonetheless. I can only guess how his family and close friends must feel. You guys have such great stories about him! Love, ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: loop.pool > To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) > Date: 10/1/2005 11:42:37 AM > Subject: re: Dr. Zvonar > > thanks for sharing that, Rick > > Bob Beede and I are going to do a tribute piece in Richard's honor > for the closing performance at the Y2K5 festival , next Saturday evening, > October 8th > at close to 10:00 p.m. Bob is going to do some spoken word about > Richard's life > while I ,humbly, will play 'Richard' to Bob's 'Diamanda Galas' and process > his vocals with my loopers. > > Reading this made me remember the first time I met Richard. > > Richard, Bob and I did an avante garde electronic performance together on > the same bill in 1982 > which was the first time in my life that I ever > looped........................it was under the influence of a brilliant (and > then,very young) musician that I played with at the time, Michael Haumesser > who was the very first person > I ever heard who spliced his own lo fi cassette tapes loops to make music he > called, "not noise" (www.notnoise.com). Not Michael and Jim Rutledge and I > called ourselves "Tao Electrical" for that evening > as we were the rhythm section for a popular local new wave band called "Tao > Chemical". > > Bob Beede was my first professor of electronic music and he played on the > bill with a good friend of his, the first PHD I ever met in music, Dr. > Zvonar. I still have the poster for that one somewhere. > > I remember that I felt sooooo grown up...................playing 'art' > music..............electronic music..............with not only my professor > but his PHD friend with the great reputation from lands to the south of > us.......running > tape loops on a borrowed tube Echoplex with the erase head > disengaged............leaving the stage at the break > between acts and letting all three of those tube Echoplexes keep running > their rather ambient tapes out of sync with each other. > > It was a heady time and I owe a lot to Dr. Z. We all miss him. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick Williamson > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 4:21 AM > Subject: Dr. Zvonar > > > audioMIDI.com put up a tribute page for Dr. Z. > > http://www.audiomidi.com/classroom/cedge/cutting_edge_zvonar.cfm?CPID=1397 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 2 01:19:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F1973BEE7; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 01:19:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=KH4pZJzoQkRaiwWV+fnK1vQNVAQoU6nDDGNIG+9vCnmntP2hqcS7A1XvFatN9e2a; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200510021248380@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: still goin clean Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 21:24:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940d94bbb370ec01fadb9741c52330cf07e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.147.142 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 01:19:47 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Lemme know if you ever do a show in Beantown! Your Fellow Bitrman Devotee, Tim "Un-Stableboy" Mungenast P.S.-- What's your fave Bitrman setting? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 9/30/2005 10:42:34 PM Subject: Re: still goin clean In a message dated 9/30/05 10:26:40 PM, stanitarium@earthlink.net writes: no MK? stano.....i only look like a playboy!.....i must feed the masses!.....work issues, lost several fellow employees and can't get away.....so i will make lots-o-scoot and buy 4 more BITRMAN then when i get over this "folk looper jag" i can really FREAK OUT!.....wheeeeeeeee!.....:)m ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Lemme know if you ever do a show in Beantown!
Your Fellow Bitrman Devotee,
Tim "Un-Stableboy" Mungenast
P.S.-- What's your fave Bitrman setting?
 
 
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In a message dated 9/30/05 10:26:40 PM, stanitarium@earthlink.net writes:


no MK?


stano.....i only look like a playboy!.....i must feed the masses!.....work issues, lost several fellow employees and can't get away.....so i will make lots-o-scoot and buy 4 more BITRMAN then when i get over this "folk looper jag" i can really FREAK OUT!.....wheeeeeeeee!.....:)m
------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 2 01:48:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AE7A3BF04; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 01:48:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=i1JnT2mbcUmRnl6T6m3rO6X2mqJPokO+nY0zSjBBOAlVPa0aogbviUzTIXeHopF1; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200510021523580@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: the DFX-94 Re: REQ: loop devices and amps for busking/slightly way off topic... Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 21:52:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9408b997c4b19588f6f43e017319cce5c03350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.147.142 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 01:48:17 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I've mentioned this box before and hoped I'd see it on the tools list...the DFX-94. It gives you: * 4 seconds of looping...not a lot, but useful for many things. I haven't yet run out of things I can do with 4 secs., but I don't dive as deep as you guys. * the ability to play with a short echo and then loop what you came up with (THAT's fun!) * a real old-fashioned KNOB which you can quickly turn to slow down and speed up your loop...big fun with sitar! * the option to use it as an echo...not tape lushness but its own good sound. Let's put it this way: if tape is caramel, this is a wintergreen Lifesaver mint. Battery life isn't great, but a fresh 9-volt will at least get you through a gig. Hope this helps, Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: daniel stevenson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 10/1/2005 2:10:41 PM Subject: Re: REQ: loop devices and amps for busking/slightly way off topic... yeah batteries rule. i use the micro cube, dl4, volume/wha pedal, ebow for (busking?is that what ya call it?)playing the street.the roland gets a fair battery life from 6 aa's depending how much i use the ebow(that high saturated sound eats up power at twice the rate).i get a lot of charge time with the dl4 and it warns ya when you are getting low(about 20 min from ground zero).i can get away with useing fugi batteries from the dollor store(never the blue and white panasonics,and forget ever/ready)line six loses a little clarity after it warns ya your low/micro cube stays stong till all the sudden muddy death...i think sitting directlly on concreate drains stuff faster but the could be just me..im all high on weed all the time so my judgement is sketchy at best...i carry all this stuff and a 12-1g string on my bicycle about ten miles to the art/tipping zone(great cardivascular but a long ride home)my mom just got me a bike trailer so that will make it a little more easy when i hit the road.i hope she brings it home today i need to go make some bag money.sheeesh what is the topic i strayed from?oh yea batteries dont leave home without em! Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: Hi I'm trying to find out which battery-operated loop devices and amps exist. (I mean portable and independent of wall outlet... for busking!) >From http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/tools.html I collected: Line6 DL-4 Boss Gigadelay DD-20 Akai E2 Headrush Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Digital Delay Peavey PVDJ Boomerang Boomerang So far, I know the DL-4, Gigadelay DD-20 are battery operable but I'm not sure about the others. Maybe it could make sense to add this criterion (battery-operable or not) to the "Tools of the Trade" pages? Are there any other battery-operated loop devices? I'm not mentioning the Boss RC-20 and RC-20XL because they don't allow to control Feedback: it's always at 100%, right? In this vein I'd be interested in experiences of other musicians on this list with battery-based looping, including portable amps... E.g. Gary Lehmann seems to be experienced in this? http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200404/msg00085.html Thank you Bernhard Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
I've mentioned this box before and hoped I'd see it on the tools list...the  DFX-94. It gives you:
* 4 seconds of looping...not a lot, but useful for many things. I haven't yet run out of things I can do with 4 secs., but I don't dive as deep as you guys.
* the ability to play with a short echo and then loop what you came up with (THAT's fun!)
* a real old-fashioned KNOB which you can quickly turn to slow down and speed up your loop...big fun with sitar!
* the option to use it as an echo...not tape lushness but its own good sound. Let's put it this way: if tape is caramel, this is a wintergreen Lifesaver mint.
Battery life isn't great, but a fresh 9-volt will at least get you through a gig.
Hope this helps,
Tim
 
 
 
 
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Sent: 10/1/2005 2:10:41 PM
Subject: Re: REQ: loop devices and amps for busking/slightly way off topic...

yeah batteries rule.
i use the micro cube, dl4, volume/wha pedal, ebow for (busking?is that what ya call it?)playing the street.the roland gets a fair battery life from 6 aa's depending how much i use the ebow(that high saturated sound eats up power at twice the rate).i get a lot of charge time with the dl4 and it warns ya when you are getting low(about 20 min from ground zero).i can get away with useing fugi batteries from the dollor store(never the blue and white panasonics,and forget ever/ready)line six loses a little clarity after it warns ya  your low/micro cube stays stong till all the sudden muddy death...i think sitting directlly on concreate drains stuff faster but the could be just me..im all high on weed all the time so my judgement is sketchy at best...i carry all this stuff and a 12-1g string on my bicycle about ten miles to the art/tipping zone(great cardivascular but a long ride home)my mom just got me a bike trailer so that will make it a little more easy when i hit the road.i hope she brings it home today i need to go make some bag money.sheeesh what is the topic i strayed from?oh yea batteries dont leave home without em!

Bernhard Wagner LD <loopdelightml@nosuch.biz> wrote:
Hi

I'm trying to find out which battery-operated loop devices and amps exist.
(I mean portable and independent of wall outlet... for busking!)

From http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/tools.html I collected:
Line6 DL-4
Boss Gigadelay DD-20
Akai E2 Headrush
Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Digital Delay
Peavey PVDJ
Boomerang Boomerang

So far, I know the DL-4, Gigadelay DD-20 are battery operable but I'm not
sure about the others.
Maybe it could make sense to add this criterion (battery-operable or not) to
the "Tools of the Trade" pages?

Are there any other battery-operated loop devices?
I'm not mentioning the Boss RC-20 and RC-20XL because they don't allow to
control Feedback: it's always at 100%, right?

In this vein I'd be interested in experiences of other musicians on this
list with battery-based looping, including portable amps...

E.g. Gary Lehmann seems to be experienced in this?
http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200404/msg00085.html

Thank you
Bernhard


Yahoo! for Good
Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 2 02:28:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 100F73BEF4; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 02:28:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20051001191214.04441658@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 19:28:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Dr. Zvonar In-Reply-To: <003101c5c67a$351f9860$55b6e104@hppav> References: <003101c5c67a$351f9860$55b6e104@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 02:28:10 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks- I'd like to remind you all that there is a memorial house concert for Richard tomorrow (Sunday) in the Los Angeles area. It is being held by the American Composers Forum. As they say, "There will be live and recorded performances highlighting Richard's career, and guests from a wide swath of his fascinating life." I previously posted about this here: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200509/msg00237.html More details, directions, and contact info can be found at their website if you would like to attend: http://www.composers.la/events.asp#anchor1 It may be a good idea to contact them and let them know you are coming, I think they are planning to have some food and such. Members of Richard's family will also be there. Richard's sister Dorie was quite moved by the many posts people made to our list in remembrance of Richard and his participation at Looper's Delight. If you do attend this event, please find Dorie and say hello to her. She sent me an email saying she would really like to meet some of us if she can. Thanks! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 2 06:34:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 818F93BEEC; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 06:34:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=2szwdKCIyR9jl1I95FOHCtqXMo2D2mFmJYOhBy+t/4317aqGfFJdonVk4RLaK3HjD88mgwQT8kv3CTy1FcZ1dkJLq3yHiqfN3qA9zNQEhf/3Nf9IkRMh9Kf8R1UJVs42B8Zyqe7CWLo5yhKSLEjdKsFawepPR71DhcNIq1bvcvI= ; Message-ID: <20051002063418.73986.qmail@web33711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 23:34:18 -0700 (PDT) From: K D Patten Subject: Re: loop devices and amps for busking - - lurker surfacing - -1st post To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 06:34:20 +0000 (UTC) hi guys, i'm not as knowledgable on the gear front as many on this list (guess that why i just lurk) but ive done a few mad scientist rigs while busking. ive not used my boomerang on the street yet but i could with my rig. i run other efx & my GK amp with a deepcycle battery in a case topped with inverter all straped to a two wheel luggage carrier. ive been able to run 4 hrs on a charge. just 2cents from a lurker...kyle PS i cought Kris Hartungs web cast last nite...vary cool Kris :-) k Kyle Dean PattenP.O. Box 22Johnston, IA 50131 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 2 12:42:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64E103BEE7; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 12:42:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.5 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.1.0 From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: Transporting my acoustic guitar to santa cruz on my flight, etc. Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 14:42:27 +0200 Message-ID: <005e01c5c74e$c22f1850$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 12:42:48 +0000 (UTC) Like two jealous (elderly) mistresses they're still carrying out a nasty fight. The rejuvenation measures we've performed on them (pick up transplant) really set them up! In any case, I'll let them decide... > -----Original Message----- > From: William Walker [mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com] > Sent: Sonntag, 2. Oktober 2005 02:04 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Transporting my acoustic guitar to santa cruz on my = flight, > etc. >=20 > Hmmm > I'm not sure I'd call your guitar cute, Handsome in a weather beaten = Clint > Eastwood would be more appropriate, You talkin tele or that Ibanez = thingy? > Bill >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernhard Wagner LD [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] > Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 2:08 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Transporting my acoustic guitar to santa cruz on my = flight, > etc. >=20 >=20 > Hi Kris >=20 > My procedure is basically the same as yours, only, because it's an > over-the-big-pond-flight the lockers (or "overhead compartments") are = big > enough to accommodate my cute little guitar. They've denied = cabin-access > to > it before, declaring it as "carry-on luggage", which was fine by me, = too. >=20 > HTH > Bernhard >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > > Sent: Samstag, 1. Oktober 2005 22:37 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Transporting my acoustic guitar to santa cruz on my flight, > etc. > > > > Just some interesting tid bids and a follow up on this. I just = called > > Horizon/Alaska, my airline to Santa Cruz, and the the place where = they > > stow the a la carte bagage is both pressurized and temperature > > controlled....it's the same place they keep animals, so I'm not = worred > > about freezing my acoustic guitar. The rep on the phone suggested I > > first try to get the guitar on the plane and sweet talk the = stewardess. > > There is a closet on the plane, but it is not for customers...I have > > used this in the past or guitars, however. So, my plan is to enter = the > > plane with my guitar and plead for them to put it in their closet, = but > > if they can't, at least I know the guitar will not be in a = temperature > > contolled area. I'm also plastering stickers all over it with = Fragile, > > Handle with Care, etc. That's my plan, and I'm stickin' to it. > > > > What is everyone else doing? Bernhard? > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:40 PM > > To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' > > Subject: RE: still goin clean > > > > > > I think the under-carrier baggage areas temperatures are temperature > > controlled. Have you heard differently? I mean people put liquids in > > their baggage all of the time...shampoo, etc...I've never had a = frozen > > item out of my baggage, even after a 14 hour trip from West US to = Italy. > > This is a main concern too...a nice wood finish being exposed to = sub-0 > > degrees is frightening, even if for only 1 1/2 hours. I may try to > > bring the guitar on board and sweet talk the stewardess into putting = it > > somewhere....there must be some place. On my business drop to the = Bay > > area last week, I saw a cello player walk off the same small plane = with > > his instrument in a hard case. I was wondering wher he had it, or if = he > > had purchased a seat for it. > > > > Or I could ship the guitar to someone in Santa Cruz...last resort. > > Better yet...get a Steinberger! :) It must be nice to be Kid = Beyond. > > > > Kris > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] > > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:12 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: still goin clean > > > > > > It's not the air pressure to worry about, but the handlers and the = cold, > > in that order. > > > > TravisH > > > > On 9/29/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > I hear you! I'm checking in my 5 space rack with the rest of my > > > baggage, and hope it doesn't go over the 60 pound limit. I hope to > > > check in my rack and a large suitcase with my wires and = controllers, > > > and a few clothes, and then walk on the plane with my two laptops = and > > > guitar. The flight from Boise to San Jose is short and on a small > > > plane with no closets, so I think I will have to put my acoustic > > > guitar on the a la carte and have it stored under the plane. I = don't > > > know what else to do. The overhead compartments in the plane are = too > > > small for my electric, otherwise I would bring it. No closets, no > > > overheads...leads to only checking my guitar in...but I'm sure it = is > > > pressurized where they store the a la carte bags. > > > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 2 13:42:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5FB33BF12; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 13:42:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PHIbnwDilh574L3p5KK70vT/v37It8auli77B/e1xNhz9eTbDDk42sdBHsBGJdtdgkY4I26JPpGSKv648L8gLBZCOuMMeAqEVdyPhxDyppFnRRreyZjGgwI+GZSrpMPQtvlTHlVaJaDJTW8r/cBHZ/HwTbXO5xw5cHfySy+yJso= ; Message-ID: <20051002134217.69871.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 06:42:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: RE: Transporting my acoustic guitar to santa cruz on my flight, etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005e01c5c74e$c22f1850$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 13:42:18 +0000 (UTC) Dear Bernhard and i thought you said you were solo and lived alone:-) cheers Luis --- Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > > Like two jealous (elderly) mistresses they're still > carrying out a nasty > fight. The rejuvenation measures we've performed on > them (pick up > transplant) really set them up! > > In any case, I'll let them decide... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: William Walker > [mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com] > > Sent: Sonntag, 2. Oktober 2005 02:04 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: RE: Transporting my acoustic guitar to > santa cruz on my flight, > > etc. > > > > Hmmm > > I'm not sure I'd call your guitar cute, Handsome > in a weather beaten Clint > > Eastwood would be more appropriate, You talkin > tele or that Ibanez thingy? > > Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bernhard Wagner LD > [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] > > Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 2:08 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: RE: Transporting my acoustic guitar to > santa cruz on my flight, > > etc. > > > > > > Hi Kris > > > > My procedure is basically the same as yours, only, > because it's an > > over-the-big-pond-flight the lockers (or "overhead > compartments") are big > > enough to accommodate my cute little guitar. > They've denied cabin-access > > to > > it before, declaring it as "carry-on luggage", > which was fine by me, too. > > > > HTH > > Bernhard > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Kris Hartung > [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > > > Sent: Samstag, 1. Oktober 2005 22:37 > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: Transporting my acoustic guitar to > santa cruz on my flight, > > etc. > > > > > > Just some interesting tid bids and a follow up > on this. I just called > > > Horizon/Alaska, my airline to Santa Cruz, and > the the place where they > > > stow the a la carte bagage is both pressurized > and temperature > > > controlled....it's the same place they keep > animals, so I'm not worred > > > about freezing my acoustic guitar. The rep on > the phone suggested I > > > first try to get the guitar on the plane and > sweet talk the stewardess. > > > There is a closet on the plane, but it is not > for customers...I have > > > used this in the past or guitars, however. So, > my plan is to enter the > > > plane with my guitar and plead for them to put > it in their closet, but > > > if they can't, at least I know the guitar will > not be in a temperature > > > contolled area. I'm also plastering stickers all > over it with Fragile, > > > Handle with Care, etc. That's my plan, and I'm > stickin' to it. > > > > > > What is everyone else doing? Bernhard? > > > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Kris Hartung > [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > > > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:40 PM > > > To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' > > > Subject: RE: still goin clean > > > > > > > > > I think the under-carrier baggage areas > temperatures are temperature > > > controlled. Have you heard differently? I mean > people put liquids in > > > their baggage all of the time...shampoo, > etc...I've never had a frozen > > > item out of my baggage, even after a 14 hour > trip from West US to Italy. > > > This is a main concern too...a nice wood finish > being exposed to sub-0 > > > degrees is frightening, even if for only 1 1/2 > hours. I may try to > > > bring the guitar on board and sweet talk the > stewardess into putting it > > > somewhere....there must be some place. On my > business drop to the Bay > > > area last week, I saw a cello player walk off > the same small plane with > > > his instrument in a hard case. I was wondering > wher he had it, or if he > > > had purchased a seat for it. > > > > > > Or I could ship the guitar to someone in Santa > Cruz...last resort. > > > Better yet...get a Steinberger! :) It must be > nice to be Kid Beyond. > > > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Travis Hartnett > [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:12 PM > > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Subject: Re: still goin clean > > > > > > > > > It's not the air pressure to worry about, but > the handlers and the cold, > > > in that order. > > > > > > TravisH > > > > > > On 9/29/05, Kris Hartung > wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > I hear you! I'm checking in my 5 space rack > with the rest of my > > > > baggage, and hope it doesn't go over the 60 > pound limit. I hope to > > > > check in my rack and a large suitcase with my > wires and controllers, > > > > and a few clothes, and then walk on the plane > with my two laptops and > > > > guitar. The flight from Boise to San Jose is > short and on a small > > > > plane with no closets, so I think I will have > to put my acoustic > > > > guitar on the a la carte and have it stored > under the plane. I don't > > > > know what else to do. The overhead > compartments in the plane are too > > > > small for my electric, otherwise I would bring > it. No closets, no > > > > overheads...leads to only checking my guitar > in...but I'm sure it is > > > > pressurized where they store the a la carte > bags. > > > > > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 2 16:24:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1E633BF0B; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 16:24:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YHePJ2ePnk1tE/CKLb03EjsXMeOkHVcmhYewKGGEO9SUDvlA+I8Qds+vb8YUa/aGfGl6DMn9bLLa2p4aRQBvvJkBy/gkfwFLBbyQdWIANochj3VbuNMV+YoQ9k+MV832eyMiRqCAkJGV1S97oCijB7pFDikjQ99ZCZdcY0mWv1s= ; Message-ID: <20051002162445.80879.qmail@web34207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 09:24:45 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Transporting acoustic guitars on airlines To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051002063421.192173BF0F@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7iQFgD.A.J6.PnAQDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 16:24:47 +0000 (UTC) Pre 9/11, I always took my Ovation shallow body in a soft case on board all flights, across the great pond or puddle jumping. I never seemed to have difficulty getting it in an overhead compartment either. Never had to sweet talk the stewardess (well, not to get the guitar onboard anyway...) or ask to get on the flight early. Haven't flown with it since 9/11 Only one snafu, when flying from Germany to Seattle, via DC to New York. The DC to JFK jump was in a small propeller plane. As we were walking across the tarmac to board the plane, one of the ground crew stopped me and said, "there's no room for anything like that on board." I just looked at him and confidently said "I do it all the time." When I got on board, I found out that he was totally correct, the overhead bins were large enough to fit your sack lunch and not much more. On one side of the aisle, there were two seats and on the other side, one. I chose one of the single seats, put my guitar between me and the window, covered myself with a blanket and spread out a large magazine to cover the fact that there was a guitar head getting comfy with my armpit. To this day I'll never know if they were aware of it and just let it pass... That being said, being nice and friendly with people goes a long way. When in Rome at the airport heading back to the US, the nice man at the airline counter asked me where I would like to sit. Without hesitating I asked for a seat next to a beautiful young woman, preferably Italian. "Okay sir, we'll see what we can do for you... (checking his computer screen) hmm... 1976... is that too young for you sir? "No" I replied. "Well I'm sorry to say that the only remaining available seat next to a beautiful young woman is in business class, will that be okay for you sir?" Instant upgrade. Except that she wasn't Italian... Stephen __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 2 16:44:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E9D63BF14; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 16:44:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Transporting acoustic guitars on airlines Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 10:44:30 -0600 Message-ID: <000c01c5c770$92b13a00$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20051002162445.80879.qmail@web34207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 0, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 16:44:43 +0000 (UTC) > The DC to JFK jump was in a small propeller plane. As we were walking across the tarmac to board the plane, one of the ground crew stopped me and said, "there's no room for anything like that on board." I just looked at him and confidently said "I do it all the time." When I got on board, I found out that he was totally correct, the overhead bins were large enough to fit your sack lunch and not much more. On one side of the aisle, there were two seats and on the other side, one. I chose one of the single seats, put my guitar between me and the window, covered myself with a blanket and spread out a large magazine to cover the fact that there was a guitar head getting comfy with my armpit. To this day I'll never know if they were aware of it and just let it pass... This is exactly the type of plane I will be on...it's one of those jet powered prop planes. Hmmmm....I need to think about this more now. If I take my acoustic, there is no way I can slip it between me and the seat. If I take my electric, I'll be able to, but I am on an isle seat because of my siatica....bad news. I think I'm better off having them put my acoustic under the plane it the hard shell case, in the temperature controlled and pressured area. Kris __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 2 22:59:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF5993BEF0; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:59:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 17:59:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: RE: Transporting my acoustic guitar to santa cruz on my flight, etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <1919216.1128293940857.JavaMail.root@vms076.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:59:07 +0000 (UTC) >Dear Bernhard and i thought you said you were solo and >lived alone:-) >cheers >Luis luis.....bernhard is all three of these, the two old mistreses and young mild mannered loopermann.....do not look too deeply into his eyes, he will posess you!....just my 2 cents of course!.....:)m http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 3 02:44:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30D673BEF0; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 02:44:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1+KdNSPRZsLG+v78VTVmSVJdGb+Jt5rB00N/EghE/nNKYFJsy4h7C4jkZQt5a+wVuyaxmFIobR7rhXC+V+HUIQSxpuDL+0Eu+CPHPAkucOxNp9ZCmJczLJD5+vQjZ1uixAC+KDmwZoRSSoTCY0lIiAIRL3zvD8mJoLjF17ZCq2k= ; Message-ID: <20051003024431.551.qmail@web50802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 19:44:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Janosik Subject: Looping with an "Esteban" Guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1673184773-1128307471=:99399" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 02:44:33 +0000 (UTC) --0-1673184773-1128307471=:99399 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I heard "Esteban" is going to the loopfest in SC. :) --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-1673184773-1128307471=:99399 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-1673184773-1128307471=:99399-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 3 03:42:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B44603BEF1; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 03:42:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" Subject: The PiNG presents A Worthy Fall - October Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 23:44:45 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000401c5c7cc$cbc4b810$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 03:42:41 +0000 (UTC) * Syntax Error have uploaded (as a hi-quality mp3) their entire set at the PiNG from a couple of weeks back and as Luna reported, it "covered a lot of musical territory ... beginning with ambient instrumentals and building in rhythmic intensity." Listen here: http://www.syntaxerror.cc/music/misc/SE-Live@ThePing-091305.mp3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday October 4th - "A Worthy Fall: October" Night 2 of the PiNG's Fall feature on the wonderful Worthy Records brings out two of Worthy's flagship acts & a fresh associate. The 1st set features Building Castles out of Matchsticks, the solo, soul- searching project of Worthy's Queen of the Robots, Anne Sulikowski. Next, new Worthy artist John Topp (subdirector) will be re-improvising pieces from his new CD (which will be available for sale at the show). Then the large improv orchestra Psychosomatic Climax Machine takes the stage to create new interwoven textural works with their renowned focus and intensity. General Chaos Visuals will envelope the stage for the night with their mesmerizing dreamscapes. http://www.worthyrecords.com http://www.subdirector.com Between Sets CD - "Remittance" by Austere This beautiful 2004 release from the somewhat mysterious duo Austere, from Portland, Oregon, was created using guitar, voice, treatments, their trusty Space Echo and a few choice samples. http://austere.org=20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday October 11th - Richard Crow and NAW http://www.elision.org.au/collaborators/crow.html=A0 http://www.naw.phoniq.net . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ||: IN THE LOOP :|| by Luna Tek THE AMBiENT PiNG concert on September 27, 2005 featured two improvised sets by Songspell. Michael Moon (vibraphone, electric guitar, vocals, percussion), Thom Dean (keys, percussion), Bridget Debernardi (vocals, percussion) and Jenn Howie (keys, vocals, percussion) created a spellbinding performance of ethereal vocals and instrumental ambience.=20 Songspell's beautiful first set reverberated across a number of musical realms with strains of world music and passages of spoken word by newest band member, Bridget. Later in the set, Michael hypnotized the audience with songs that verged on perforce art with the vocal and instrumental support of Thom, Jenn and Bridget. =20 Using elements of chant and overtone singing, Michael started off the second set with some vocal experimentation that evoked images of Aboriginal elders chanting their truths. As the set evolved, the vocals and percussion heightened in intensity, sustaining the otherworldly, soulful vibe initiated by Michael.=20 Thanks to everyone who dropped by THE AMBiENT PiNG's table at Word on the Street and picked up a copy of the preview edition of i POP PiNG magazine, the PiNG's latest venture. Feel free to submit articles, reviews, experimental writing and visual art for upcoming issues; submission guidelines will be published in the next edition, due out at the end of October. Luna Tek - luna@theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Mandela" by Foy There is a beauty in minimalism, a charm in the microscopic. It's all about finding the details. And "Mandela" by Foy is filled with details, filled with charm, filled with beauty. Disc opener "De Cirkel" paints an aural landscape using slow sweeping pads that lie underneath a percolating, expanding rhythm track gradually building and growing. Track three, "Zacht Licht" uses sparse piano and drums to create a delicate and fragile beauty. Slowly melting into track four "Versplinterde", the same minimal instrumentation continues taking on a certain melancholy tone to it, but maintaining the same beguiling nature as it's earlier parts. And so it goes...=20 Pulsing and dreaming, "Mandela" by Foy creates an environment where sound washes through the mind and light percussion keeps time with the beating of your heart. A truly beautiful experience both in terms of sound and in the resultant atmospheres. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com =3D ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 3 05:56:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C6783BEF4; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 05:56:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Venues & Festivals for Experimental Music Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 23:56:23 -0600 Message-ID: <002701c5c7df$32874f10$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01C5C7AC.E7ECDF10" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.000000 Aspam=3.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 176, in=470, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 05:56:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C5C7AC.E7ECDF10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is more of a question for guys like Matt Davignon, the circuit benders, and others (even Rick with some of his bizarre vocal material) who perform really experimental sounding music. I am gradually starting to teeter more toward this style of music with my guitar looping ventures. And I don=92t mean the "normal" improvisational or avant-garde looping music that a lot of us do here on this group, but the really off the deep in end, send-in-the-men-in-the-white-coats-to-get-me flavor of experimental music. :) I just enjoy playing like this and pushing the limits, plus as I get older I find that I'm playing more for own artistic gratification, regardless of the consequences. But on to the real questions. Basically, I am trying to integrate more of this type of experimental music into my live shows here in Boise, like these: http://box.net/public/khartung/files/518181.html http://box.net/public/khartung/files/518279.html http://www.box.net/public/khartung/files/241353.html http://box.net/public/khartung/files/273282.html =85and I can take it even further than this, and desire to do so, but = not here. The problem is that I'm experimenting myself right out of a place to play. Most coffee shops or similar caf=E9 venues here in Boise = feature the typical folk, acoustic guitar singer, new agers, folk rock trios, instrumentalists who play very melodic tunes that are pleasing the common ear, or low key jazz combos. I can play outside and avant-garde once in a while, but if I do this all of the time, I get some weird looks, and quite honestly I question whether the venue owners are that motivated bring me back if I keep playing one bizarre, abstract song after another. Hell, at my last gig, I had more people listening to me on my internet broadcast than in the physical venue itself=85that is a clue to this puzzle here in Boise. Most listeners just don't "get it", and what I mean by "it" is the significance and artistic value of experimental music. I'm trying to do some things to remedy the situation. First, I created an experimental music program for a local radio station, which airs weekly. Second, I am in the initial planning phases of creating the First Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival for Spring of '06. And finally, I plan to host a quarterly internet broadcast performance series of local musicians playing avant-garde music. I was even featured I our local news paper as a rarity in the area, as an improvisational, avant-garde, ambient looping guitarist=85.did it generate any interest? Not really. Not when competing with country music, jingle-jangle contemporary folk rock bands, and classic rock groups, which currently dominate the scene. But this isn't enough. I need to get out and play more, not just host events. I played at Y2K4 and will be at Y2K5. I love these type of events and I am eternally grateful to Rick for inviting me to this event, as it really lifts my musical spirit and gives me a sense of community, that I have peers in the world who are interesting in playing a similar type of music as me. I am researching the Annual Olympia (Washington) Experimental Music Festival to see what the potential is of me playing next year. I am researching other festivals too. The way I am going now, I figure it is worth more of my time to play at 2-3 experimental or avant-garde music festivals a year out of state and do my internet broadcast performance frequently, than to keep pushing the coffeeshop and caf=E9 venue scene here. I am pretty much giving up on Boise (population 200K) in terms of supporting a viable experimental music scene. But I will continue to raise awareness of this style of music locally and do what I can to create a few special or showcase venues. And don't get me wrong, I don't expect hords of people to flock to a venue to hear me or some other experimental musicians play atonal, borderline noise music. But a small and supportive community would be nice. It's just you need a population base and culture to foster this type of scene without killing yourself to keep it alive. Any thoughts from those of you playing experimental music on venues or festivals? Where do you play? Do places like San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, Boston, New York, and Chicago have venues that foster this type of music? I mean, are there places that regularly feature really far out experimental music at these cities? Cheers, ************************************************************************ ********************** Krispen Hartung Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist=20 http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 Subscribe to email list: krispenhartung-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Performance Calendar: http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3DKrispen%20Ha= rtu ng Gear setup: http://www.krispenhartung.com/gear.htm Over 80 free MP3s: http://www.krispenhartung.com/mp3.htm Music & Video Descent to Self: http://www.krispenhartung.com/descent Live at the Kulture Klatsch: http://www.krispenhartung.com/hartung&miresse Places: http://www.krispenhartung.com/cd.htm Assaults & Reprieves: http://www.krispenhartung.com/humesfork Microscopic Horrors: http://www.krispenhartung.com/dvd.htm ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C5C7AC.E7ECDF10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Venues & Festivals for Experimental Music

This is more of a question for guys = like Matt Davignon, the circuit benders, and others (even Rick with some = of his bizarre vocal material) who perform really experimental sounding = music. I am gradually starting to teeter more toward this style of music = with my guitar looping ventures. And I don’t mean the = "normal" improvisational or avant-garde looping music that a = lot of us do here on this group, but the really off the deep in end, = send-in-the-men-in-the-white-coats-to-get-me flavor of experimental = music. :)  I just enjoy playing like this and pushing the limits, = plus as I get older I find that I'm playing more for own artistic = gratification, regardless of the consequences. But on to the real = questions.

Basically, I am trying to integrate = more of this type of experimental music into my live shows here in = Boise, like these:

http://box.net/public/khartung/files/518181.html
http://box.net/public/khartung/files/518279.html
http://www.box.net/public/khartung/files/241353.html
http://box.net/public/khartung/files/273282.html
…and I can take it even further = than this, and desire to do so, but not here. The problem is that I'm = experimenting myself right out of a place to play. Most coffee shops or = similar caf=E9 venues here in Boise feature the typical folk, acoustic = guitar singer, new agers, folk rock trios, instrumentalists who play = very melodic tunes that are pleasing the common ear, or low key jazz = combos. I can play outside and avant-garde once in a while, but if I do = this all of the time, I get some weird looks, and quite honestly I = question whether the venue owners are that motivated bring me back if I = keep playing one bizarre, abstract song after another.  Hell, at my = last gig, I had more people listening to me on my internet broadcast = than in the physical venue itself…that is a clue to this puzzle = here in Boise.  Most listeners just don't "get it", and = what I mean by "it" is the significance and artistic value of = experimental music.

I'm trying to do some things to remedy = the situation. First, I created an experimental music program for a = local radio station, which airs weekly. Second, I am in the initial = planning phases of creating the First Annual Boise Experimental Music = Festival for Spring of '06. And finally, I plan to host a = quarterly internet broadcast performance series of local musicians = playing avant-garde music. I was even featured I our local news paper as = a rarity in the area, as an improvisational, avant-garde, ambient = looping guitarist….did it generate any interest? Not really. Not = when competing with country music, jingle-jangle contemporary folk rock = bands, and classic rock groups, which currently dominate the = scene.

But this isn't enough. I need to get = out and play more, not just host events.  I played at = Y2K4 and will be at Y2K5. I love = these type of events and I am eternally grateful to Rick for inviting me = to this event, as it really lifts my musical spirit and gives me a sense = of community, that I have peers in the world who are interesting in = playing a similar type of music as me. I am researching the = Annual Olympia (Washington) Experimental = Music Festival to see what the = potential is of me playing next year. I am researching other festivals = too.  The way I am going now, I figure it is worth more of my time = to play at 2-3 experimental or avant-garde music festivals a year out of = state and do my internet broadcast performance frequently, than to keep = pushing the coffeeshop and caf=E9 venue scene here.  I am pretty = much giving up on Boise (population 200K) in terms of supporting a = viable experimental music scene. But I will continue to raise awareness = of this style of music locally and do what I can to create a few special = or showcase venues. And don't get me wrong, I don't expect hords of = people to flock to a venue to hear me or some other experimental = musicians play atonal, borderline noise music. But a small and = supportive community would be nice. It's just you need a population base = and culture to foster this type of scene without killing yourself to = keep it alive.

Any thoughts from those of you playing = experimental music on venues or festivals? Where do you play? Do places = like San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, Boston, New York, and Chicago = have venues that foster this type of music?  I mean, are there = places that regularly feature really far out experimental music at these = cities?

Cheers,

**********************************************************= ************************************
Krispen Hartung
Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping = Guitarist
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com / = 208-724-5603
Subscribe to email list: = krispenhartung-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Performance Calendar:
http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&v= alue=3DKrispen%20Hartung
Gear setup: http://www.krispenhartung.com/gear.htm
Over 80 free MP3s: http://www.krispenhartung.com/mp3.htm
Music & Video
Descent to Self: http://www.krispenhartung.com/descent
Live at the Kulture Klatsch: http://www.krispenhartung.com/hartung&miresse
Places: http://www.krispenhartung.com/cd.htm
Assaults & Reprieves: http://www.krispenhartung.com/humesfork
Microscopic Horrors: http://www.krispenhartung.com/dvd.htm

------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C5C7AC.E7ECDF10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 3 06:43:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC72A3BF08; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 06:43:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005001c5c7e5$c5577ad0$0201a8c0@mini> Reply-To: "Claude Voit" From: "Claude Voit" To: Subject: OT: Noodle Radio Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 08:43:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 06:43:27 +0000 (UTC) Hey wanna make the guys in the office crazy not looping but Random but not really .... please tune in to Noodle radio http://electro-music.com/noodle-radio till next wednesday october 5 Claude PS: Noodle Radio is a creation by Jan Punter Blue Hell About Noodle Radio Noodle Radio is a radio station playing noodles. A Noodle is a collection one or more of synthesizer patches that makes a synthesizer play itself, without further human intervention. For Noodle Radio the synthesizer used is a Clavia Nord Modular G2 synthesizer. This is a synthesizer that has a modular structure which can easily be used to make it noodle. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 3 11:51:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D0C23BF0C; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 11:51:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nGpZnQr6lBOrbqCFIg6CRSyn9RXkjyLM+NfeE1uewRBRpTe+2T/cFnpB2aJ6X1Fgu+NDfhp/Kc0kROj2qYeZbdplZp6+u5cYkecemzU3YlMyOpE6fiSYtvhEoAXEeLRwZTxw++37pbH7RFM7qkNR3yozLxfbqHKeBt6raeoj0TY= ; Message-ID: <20051003115146.39943.qmail@web52811.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 04:51:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: RE: Transporting my acoustic guitar to santa cruz on my flight, etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1919216.1128293940857.JavaMail.root@vms076.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 11:51:47 +0000 (UTC) I hear you,thats why i didnt believe it,i dont think there is a monogamous-looper in this list;-))) --- nemoguitt@verizon.net wrote: > luis.....bernhard is all three of these, the two old > mistreses and young mild > mannered loopermann.....do not look too deeply into > his eyes, he will posess > you!.... www.luis-angulo.com ______________________________________________________ Yahoo! for Good Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 3 13:23:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A4C33BF0B; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 13:23:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <12834228.1128345806198.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 09:23:25 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: "donh@mindspring.com" Reply-To: "donh@mindspring.com" To: khartung@cableone.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Venues & Festivals for Experimental Music Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 13:23:30 +0000 (UTC) www.eyedrum.org=20 In Atlanta. -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung Sent: Oct 3, 2005 1:56 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Venues & Festivals for Experimental Music This is more of a question for guys like Matt Davignon, the circuit benders, and others (even Rick with some of his bizarre vocal material) who perform really experimental sounding music. I am gradually starting to teeter more toward this style of music with my guitar looping ventures. And I don=EF=BF=BDt mean the "normal" improvisational or avant-ga= rde looping music that a lot of us do here on this group, but the really off the deep in end, send-in-the-men-in-the-white-coats-to-get-me flavor of experimental music. :) I just enjoy playing like this and pushing the limits, plus as I get older I find that I'm playing more for own artistic gratification, regardless of the consequences. But on to the real questions. Basically, I am trying to integrate more of this type of experimental music into my live shows here in Boise, like these: http://box.net/public/khartung/files/518181.html http://box.net/public/khartung/files/518279.html http://www.box.net/public/khartung/files/241353.html http://box.net/public/khartung/files/273282.html =EF=BF=BDand I can take it even further than this, and desire to do so, but= not here. The problem is that I'm experimenting myself right out of a place to play. Most coffee shops or similar caf=EF=BF=BD venues here in Boise fea= ture the typical folk, acoustic guitar singer, new agers, folk rock trios, instrumentalists who play very melodic tunes that are pleasing the common ear, or low key jazz combos. I can play outside and avant-garde once in a while, but if I do this all of the time, I get some weird looks, and quite honestly I question whether the venue owners are that motivated bring me back if I keep playing one bizarre, abstract song after another. Hell, at my last gig, I had more people listening to me on my internet broadcast than in the physical venue itself=EF=BF=BDthat is = a clue to this puzzle here in Boise. Most listeners just don't "get it", and what I mean by "it" is the significance and artistic value of experimental music. I'm trying to do some things to remedy the situation. First, I created an experimental music program for a local radio station, which airs weekly. Second, I am in the initial planning phases of creating the First Annual Boise Experimental Music Festival for Spring of '06. And finally, I plan to host a quarterly internet broadcast performance series of local musicians playing avant-garde music. I was even featured I our local news paper as a rarity in the area, as an improvisational, avant-garde, ambient looping guitarist=EF=BF=BD.did it generate any interes= t? Not really. Not when competing with country music, jingle-jangle contemporary folk rock bands, and classic rock groups, which currently dominate the scene. But this isn't enough. I need to get out and play more, not just host events. I played at Y2K4 and will be at Y2K5. I love these type of events and I am eternally grateful to Rick for inviting me to this event, as it really lifts my musical spirit and gives me a sense of community, that I have peers in the world who are interesting in playing a similar type of music as me. I am researching the Annual Olympia (Washington) Experimental Music Festival to see what the potential is of me playing next year. I am researching other festivals too. The way I am going now, I figure it is worth more of my time to play at 2-3 experimental or avant-garde music festivals a year out of state and do my internet broadcast performance frequently, than to keep pushing the coffeeshop and caf=EF=BF=BD venue scene here. I am pretty much giving up o= n Boise (population 200K) in terms of supporting a viable experimental music scene. But I will continue to raise awareness of this style of music locally and do what I can to create a few special or showcase venues. And don't get me wrong, I don't expect hords of people to flock to a venue to hear me or some other experimental musicians play atonal, borderline noise music. But a small and supportive community would be nice. It's just you need a population base and culture to foster this type of scene without killing yourself to keep it alive. Any thoughts from those of you playing experimental music on venues or festivals? Where do you play? Do places like San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, Boston, New York, and Chicago have venues that foster this type of music? I mean, are there places that regularly feature really far out experimental music at these cities? Cheers, ************************************************************************ ********************** Krispen Hartung Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist=20 http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 Subscribe to email list: krispenhartung-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Performance Calendar: http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3DKrispen%20Hart= u ng Gear setup: http://www.krispenhartung.com/gear.htm Over 80 free MP3s: http://www.krispenhartung.com/mp3.htm Music & Video Descent to Self: http://www.krispenhartung.com/descent Live at the Kulture Klatsch: http://www.krispenhartung.com/hartung&miresse Places: http://www.krispenhartung.com/cd.htm Assaults & Reprieves: http://www.krispenhartung.com/humesfork Microscopic Horrors: http://www.krispenhartung.com/dvd.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 3 14:03:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B2293BF17; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 14:03:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Noodle Radio Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 08:03:31 -0600 Message-ID: <003a01c5c823$404f5a40$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <005001c5c7e5$c5577ad0$0201a8c0@mini> Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 177, in=485, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <0dm5AB.A.RID.BpTQDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 14:03:45 +0000 (UTC) Hmmmm, sounds like conspiracy to put us musicians out of business to me.... :) Kris "Noodle Radio is a radio station playing noodles. A Noodle is a collection one or more of synthesizer patches that makes a synthesizer play itself, without further human intervention. For Noodle Radio the synthesizer used is a Clavia Nord Modular G2 synthesizer. This is a synthesizer that has a modular structure which can easily be used to make it noodle. A synthesizer's instructions as to how to make a sound and how to let it evolve are kept in patches. A patch describes how modules must be connected by wires, and how the knobs on the modules must be set in order to achieve the results wanted." -----Original Message----- From: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 12:44 AM To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Noodle Radio Hey wanna make the guys in the office crazy not looping but Random but not really .... please tune in to Noodle radio http://electro-music.com/noodle-radio till next wednesday october 5 Claude PS: Noodle Radio is a creation by Jan Punter Blue Hell About Noodle Radio Noodle Radio is a radio station playing noodles. A Noodle is a collection one or more of synthesizer patches that makes a synthesizer play itself, without further human intervention. For Noodle Radio the synthesizer used is a Clavia Nord Modular G2 synthesizer. This is a synthesizer that has a modular structure which can easily be used to make it noodle. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 3 14:21:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C0FD3BF1C; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 14:21:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: loop devices and amps for busking - - lurker surfacing - -1st post Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 08:21:23 -0600 Message-ID: <004901c5c825$bebc3e00$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20051002063418.73986.qmail@web33711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 176, in=437, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 14:21:36 +0000 (UTC) > PS i cought Kris Hartungs web cast last nite...vary cool Kris :-) k Glad you like the internet performance! After getting home and checking my recorder, I realized I lost about 90% of it. Damn...all the scatting...gone, like morning mist. Pisses me off. I think I powered off my Masterlink while it was recording...it didn't like that one bit! :) So, what you heard is pretty much it, never to be heard again. -----Original Message----- From: K D Patten [mailto:kdpatten@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 12:34 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: loop devices and amps for busking - - lurker surfacing - -1st post hi guys, i'm not as knowledgable on the gear front as many on this list (guess that why i just lurk) but ive done a few mad scientist rigs while busking. ive not used my boomerang on the street yet but i could with my rig. i run other efx & my GK amp with a deepcycle battery in a case topped with inverter all straped to a two wheel luggage carrier. ive been able to run 4 hrs on a charge. just 2cents from a lurker...kyle PS i cought Kris Hartungs web cast last nite...vary cool Kris :-) k Kyle Dean PattenP.O. Box 22Johnston, IA 50131 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kdpatten From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 3 14:24:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D274A3BECC; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 14:24:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <005001c5c7e5$c5577ad0$0201a8c0@mini> References: <005001c5c7e5$c5577ad0$0201a8c0@mini> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: Noodle Radio Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 16:24:56 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 14:24:59 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 3, 2005, at 8:43, Claude Voit wrote: > Hey wanna make the guys in the office crazy I must be Crazy-In-Office then, since I like that noodle music! It feels like an electronic Wind Harp with an alien sense of humor ;-)) The G2 seems to be really cool. It would be fun to use such noodle patches with a little interactivity added, to make the noodling patch respond to different (live) audio input parameters. My previous fav streaming station for slow music is Drone Zone, but that's not half as random as Noodle Station. Here's the link to Drone Zone btw: (getting it all into a browser window, or iTunes or any pc player) http://pri.kts-af.net/redir/index.pls? esid=06a91a356885fdfdac8c480414752490&url_no=1&client_id=7&uid=68efed4d0 3ec7e45fd3978262c107180&clicksrc=xml per > not looping but Random but not really .... > please tune in to Noodle radio http://electro-music.com/noodle-radio > till next wednesday october 5 > > Claude > > PS: Noodle Radio is a creation by Jan Punter Blue Hell > > > About Noodle Radio > Noodle Radio is a radio station playing noodles. > A Noodle is a collection one or more of synthesizer patches > that makes > a synthesizer play itself, without further human intervention. > For Noodle Radio the synthesizer used is a Clavia Nord Modular G2 > synthesizer. This is a synthesizer that has a modular structure > which can > easily be used to make it noodle. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 3 15:03:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C7DA3BF21; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 15:03:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <20d.aaf751e.3072a248@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 11:03:36 EDT Subject: Re: Venues & Festivals for Experimental Music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 15:03:41 +0000 (UTC) http://www.hertz-lion.com/venues.html Not sure how up to date the info is but it is a place to start. regards BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/yuru7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 3 17:08:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E03A3BF25; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 17:08:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:12:46 -0700 Subject: Y2K5 performers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Scott Drengsen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20d.aaf751e.3072a248@aol.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 17:08:26 +0000 (UTC) I don't really know(all of) your work and(even when I do) I would like to hear about it in your own words.Could everyone slated to perform say a little about themselves and what they plan to do for 1/2 an hour? I'll go first I'll be playing 2 recent compositions inspired by Indian music on 6 and 12 string fretless basses and Hendrix' 1983 . I use EDP's , DL-4 and an Eclipse . Nothing will be prerecorded.. tag your it.. Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 3 19:33:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC41A3BF1B; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 19:33:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Y2K5 performers Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 13:33:18 -0600 Message-ID: <006001c5c851$51e97e10$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 1, in=8, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 19:33:32 +0000 (UTC) Hello there, Scott! I'll be playing a set of freely improvised experimental guitar music (with some hand percussion mixed in there, the Kinjira)...much more "out there" than last year, plus using my new laptop VST effect system with some strange and bizarre tones: http://www.krispenhartung.com/gear.htm Scott, I think you kicked the day off last year, and I followed you. Man, I can't wait!!! I can't even contain myself....and REALLY looking forward to see all of you there. Kris http://www.krispenhartung.com -----Original Message----- From: Scott Drengsen [mailto:kungha@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 11:13 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Y2K5 performers I don't really know(all of) your work and(even when I do) I would like to hear about it in your own words.Could everyone slated to perform say a little about themselves and what they plan to do for 1/2 an hour? I'll go first I'll be playing 2 recent compositions inspired by Indian music on 6 and 12 string fretless basses and Hendrix' 1983 . I use EDP's , DL-4 and an Eclipse . Nothing will be prerecorded.. tag your it.. Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 3 20:10:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F97C3BF1B; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 20:10:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 3 Oct 2005 20:10:22 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: khartung@cableone.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 15:10:21 -0500 Subject: RE: Y2K5 performers X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20051003201021.E9253E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 20:10:27 +0000 (UTC) Hey there- Lucio and I (lumper/splitter) will make a bunch of shit up with two guitars= and maybe some other stuff....aka: freely improvised experimental guitar m= usic=20 :) I like "make a bunch of shit up" better though. Very much looking forward to this!! Can't wait to hear the rest of your se= ts! (Most unfortunately, I have a wedding to attend Sat, otherwise I'd be = there all=20 day both days). Best wishes to all involved. Joe Rut=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Y2K5 performers Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 13:33:18 -0600 >=20 > Hello there, Scott! >=20 > I'll be playing a set of freely improvised experimental guitar music > (with some hand percussion mixed in there, the Kinjira)...much more "out > there" than last year, plus using my new laptop VST effect system with > some strange and bizarre tones: http://www.krispenhartung.com/gear.htm >=20 > Scott, I think you kicked the day off last year, and I followed you. >=20 > Man, I can't wait!!! I can't even contain myself....and REALLY looking > forward to see all of you there. >=20 > Kris > http://www.krispenhartung.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Drengsen [mailto:kungha@earthlink.net] > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 11:13 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Y2K5 performers >=20 >=20 >=20 > I don't really know(all of) your work and(even when I do) I would like > to hear about it in your own words.Could everyone slated to perform say > a little about themselves and what they plan to do for 1/2 an hour? I'll > go first > I'll be playing 2 recent compositions inspired by Indian music on 6 > and 12 string fretless basses and Hendrix' 1983 . I use EDP's , DL-4 > and an Eclipse . Nothing will be prerecorded.. > tag your it.. > Scott >=20 >=20 --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 3 21:07:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64D6F3BF15; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 21:07:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.1.0 From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: Loopfestival Zurich New Photos uploaded Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 23:07:09 +0200 Message-ID: <001e01c5c85e$71977700$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 21:07:37 +0000 (UTC) Loopfestival Zurich New Photos uploaded http://www.flickr.com/groups/13509629@N00/ more next month :) Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 3 21:15:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A392F3BF24; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 21:15:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43419F60.70903@biink.com> Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 17:15:12 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: khartung@cableone.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Venues & Festivals for Experimental Music References: <002701c5c7df$32874f10$6501a8c0@khartung> In-Reply-To: <002701c5c7df$32874f10$6501a8c0@khartung> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 21:15:08 +0000 (UTC) Welcome to the world of experimental music. One path is to work with modern dance, I've done that a bit. Worked for John Cage. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 4 00:59:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E0DE3BEC1; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 00:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: Y2K5 International Looping festival Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 17:58:49 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 00:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Hey there Music lovers, wont you join us for the Y2K5 Looping festival, details below, or at www.loopfestival.com/y2k5 I'm playing an early set on Wednesday night in Big Sur and an early set Sunday evening in Santa Cruz as well, and we have a bunch of really cool musicians from out of town decending upon Santa Cruz. Hope to see you beautiful people. Bill Y2K5 International Live Looping Festival - USA 2005 >From October 5th to 9th 46 live looping artists from several countries will perform at the Y2K5 International Live Looping Festival in Big Sur, Santa Cruz and San Francisco, California . Presenting artists from the USA, UK, Japan, and Switzerland, the festival will feature the creme de la creme of this burgeoning international musical movement (there were 20 live looping festivals in 11 countries in the last 12 months and http://www.loopersdelight.com, the mecca website of the movement averages about 900'000 page views per month). The live looping movement has no musical style or genre that defines it. Indeed, there will be performances by solo guitarists, cellists, percussionists, flutists, vocalists, found sound artists, as well as avant garde electronic musicians. It is defined by the technology that allows the musicians to digitally clone themselves while playing live in front of an audience. The main festival will feature looping acts Ryusei Hattori (Japan), Hideki Nakanishi aka MandoMan (Japan), and Bernhard Wagner (Switzerland) as headliners and Roberto Zorzi (Italy), Philipp "zurrigo" Zürcher (Switzerland), and Andy Butler (UK) as featured performers. The main festival will occur on October 8th and 9th in Santa Cruz where all 46 loopers will perform on two stages with continuous music from noon to midnight. There will also be a 'Best of Y2K5 Loop Festival' performances at the Henry Miller Library in Big Sur on Wednesday, October 5th and the JavaCat Coffee in San Francisco on Friday, October 7th, as well as a special Experimental Looping edition of the festival at the Luggage Store on Thursday, October 6th. News Schedule What When Where How Much Best of the Y2K5 Loop Festival (tentative): Hideki Nakanashi aka MandoMan (JP), Ryusei Hattori (JP), Bernhard Wagner (DE/CH), Bill Walker (US), Rick Walker (US) Wednesday, October 5th, 8 PM Henry Miller Library, Highway 1, Big Sur, CA 93920 (mapquest, yahoo map) $10/door - no one turned away for lack of funds The Avant Edge of the Y2K5 Loop Festival (confirmed): Roberto Zorzi (IT), Philipp ZURRIGO Zürcher (CH) Thursday, October 6th, 8 PM The Luggage Store (mapquest, yahoo map) $10/door - no one turned away for lack of funds Best of the Y2K5 Loop Festival (confirmed): Hideki Nakanashi aka MandoMan (JP), Ryusei Hattori (JP), Bernhard Wagner (DE/CH) Lx Rudis (US), Christopher Fleeger (US), David Molina (US), Beau Casey (US), Rick Walker (US) Friday, October 7th, 8 PM Javacat Coffee, 5549 Geary Boulevard; San Francisco, CA 94121 (mapquest, yahoo map) $10/door - no one turned away for lack of funds Festival: 46 live looping artists will perform 30 minute sets on two stages. October, 8th and 9th, noon to midnight E3 Playhouse; 433, Front Street; Santa Cruz (mapquest, yahoo map) All shows $10/door - no one turned away for lack of funds Annual Loopers' after­fest Brunch (tentative) October 10th, 1:00 PM E3 Playhouse The price of brunch plus a healthy tip to the fabulous staff of the E3 Playhouse who will have put up with this ragtag lot for the past 72 hours. Y2K5 AFTERPARY (definite) October 10th, 9:30 PM The Box, Santa Cruz's Premier Goth Club. BLACK ATTIRE requested but not mandatory. (mapquest, yahoo map) Planned Appearances Hint: Click on the table's column headers to sort the entries by that criterion. When Artist Act From Instrument Style Stage Sat 8th, 12:00 PM Greg Powers Greg Powers USA Sat 8th, 12:30 PM Papa David Potter Papa David Potter The World Sat 8th, 01:00 PM Herb Heinz HOOPLA USA Sat 8th, 01:00 PM Tim Thompson HOOPLA USA Sat 8th, 01:00 PM Joel David HOOPLA USA Sat 8th, 01:30 PM Trey Donovan Trey Donovan USA Chapman Stick, NS/Stick Sat 8th, 02:00 PM STANOSAUR STANOSAUR USA electric guitar Sat 8th, 02:30 PM Chris Cohn Chris Cohn USA Sat 8th, 03:00 PM Scott Khunga Drengsen Scott Khunga Drengsen USA bass Sat 8th, 03:30 PM Pushing Air Pushing Air USA vocals Sat 8th, 04:00 PM Koorosh Daryaie Dark Numbers Persia/USA Sat 8th, 04:00 PM Rick Daren Dark Numbers USA Sat 8th, 04:30 PM Matt Davignon Matt Davignon USA drum machine experimental, ambient Sat 8th, 05:00 PM Ross Artese Atomic Mobius Machine USA Sat 8th, 05:00 PM Dan Moore Atomic Mobius Machine USA Sat 8th, 05:00 PM Chris Roberts Atomic Mobius Machine USA Sat 8th, 05:30 PM Adrian West Adrian West USA Sat 8th, 06:00 PM Ghost 7 Ghost 7 USA bass guitar melodic experimental Sat 8th, 07:30 PM James Sidlo James Sidlo USA electric guitar Sat 8th, 08:00 PM Ryusei Hattori 1 Ryusei Hattori JAPAN Sat 8th, 08:30 PM Ted Killian Ted Killian USA '77 Gibson RD Artist not easy-listening Sat 8th, 09:00 PM Rick Walker R.Walker/J.Wagner/B.Beede USA found sound/percussion found sound/ live looping/ abstract electronica Sat 8th, 09:00 PM Jon Wagner R.Walker/J.Wagner/B.Beede USA Sat 8th, 09:00 PM Bob Beede R.Walker/J.Wagner/B.Beede USA Sat 8th, 09:30 PM Andy Butler 2 Andy Butler UK electric guitar live-looping Sun 9th, 12:00 PM Addam Ant the Plumber Addam Ant the Plumber USA beatbox-rap Sun 9th, 12:30 PM Ute Bonn Ute Bonn Germany Sun 9th, 01:00 PM Doug Wright Doug Wright USA Akai EWI, Tenor Saxophone improvisational live-looping Sun 9th, 01:30 PM Genie Genie USA slide guitar blends blues, hip hop, reggae, drum n’ bass, middle eastern rhythms, bossa nova, and jazz via slide guitar, live-sampling, beat boxing, and unconventional syncopation Sun 9th, 02:00 PM David Molina David Molina USA Sun 9th, 02:30 PM Amar Chaudry Amar Chaudry USA Sun 9th, 03:00 PM Darin Shaeffer Darin Shaeffer USA Sun 9th, 03:30 PM Nico Luminous Nico Luminous USA Sun 9th, 04:00 PM Wally Schnalle Wally Schnalle USA Sun 9th, 04:30 PM Krispen Hartung Krispen Hartung USA acoustic guitar improvisational, avant-garde, experimental Sun 9th, 05:00 PM Joe Rut Lumper/Splitter USA Sun 9th, 05:00 PM Lucio Menegon Lumper/Splitter USA Sun 9th, 05:30 PM Bill Walker Bill Walker USA electric guitar Sun 9th, 06:00 PM Goh Nakamura Goh Nakamura USA Sun 9th, 08:00 PM Bernhard Wagner 1 Bernhard Wagner SWITZERLAND electric guitar Sun 9th, 08:30 PM Max Valentino 2 Max Valentino USA Sun 9th, 09:00 PM Hideki Nakanishi 1 Hideki Nakanishi JAPAN Sun 9th, 09:30 PM Philipp "zurrigo" Zürcher 2 Philipp "zurrigo" Zürcher SWITZERLAND electric guitar mutant guitar music and dynamic loops Legend: 1: headliner 2: featured performer 3: unconfirmed Huge thanks go out to Simran Gleason, Craig McCollough, and Mark Hamburg who graciously gave up their slots to accomodate the fact that we lost 6 evening slots due to the atrocious lack of support exhibited by the SC Police department in giving us a temporary permit for the festival All three of these wonderful artists will be special featured live loopers in our ongoing 2nd Sundays Live Looping Series in coming months. They are all wonderfully creative artists whose performance presence I will sorely miss. The festival is going to be amazing. Thanks for everything all of you and especially Simran, Craig and Mark. Note: The trio HOOPLA will be using the loop software "HOOPS" created by Tim Thompson for their performance. Organization Festival Organization For more information or to set up interviews with any of the visiting artists or the organizer please write Rick Walker at rickwalker@looppool.info . Official Stage Manager TBD Webcast webcast page Poster From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 4 02:13:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C23CA3BED9; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 02:13:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.93.77.79] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ekstasis1@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20051003201021.E9253E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: FS Boss VF1 Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 02:13:03 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2005 02:13:04.0152 (UTC) FILETIME=[27126980:01C5C889] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 02:13:07 +0000 (UTC) Sorry to use up the bandwidth, especially since this post has very little looper-specific details. But.... I recently picked up a "new" Boss VF1 processor. Very nice, and yes, very cool, but not really what I need. Many of you fellow loopsters, and loop-mangling maniacs, have expressed interests and given high marks for this unit on other threads. I have this for sale. $200 (plus shipping...unless you wanted to pick it up at the Y2K5 Fest this weekend in Santa Cruz...I will be there.) Includes power supply and manual (of course). Barely used at all....I might get around to using it at some point, but now could use the funds to finance an EDP..... E-mail me off list if you are interested.... Thanks Max From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 4 02:23:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D036F3BF2F; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 02:23:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: FS Boss VF1 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 20:23:45 -0600 Message-ID: <007901c5c88a$a874dc00$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 177, in=489, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 02:23:58 +0000 (UTC) That's a steal. Someone get this thing! I love it. I'd buy a second one for small scale gigs where I don't bring my rack, but I'v blown all my gig money on CD productions lately. Kris -----Original Message----- From: max valentino [mailto:ekstasis1@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 8:13 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: FS Boss VF1 Sorry to use up the bandwidth, especially since this post has very little looper-specific details. But.... I recently picked up a "new" Boss VF1 processor. Very nice, and yes, very cool, but not really what I need. Many of you fellow loopsters, and loop-mangling maniacs, have expressed interests and given high marks for this unit on other threads. I have this for sale. $200 (plus shipping...unless you wanted to pick it up at the Y2K5 Fest this weekend in Santa Cruz...I will be there.) Includes power supply and manual (of course). Barely used at all....I might get around to using it at some point, but now could use the funds to finance an EDP..... E-mail me off list if you are interested.... Thanks Max From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 4 02:29:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C59893BF37; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 02:29:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: FS Boss VF1 Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 19:29:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <007901c5c88a$a874dc00$6501a8c0@khartung> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcXIiqgGAUyGoJBhSzGk1hnBQhBxOgAADoEg Message-Id: <20051004022915.EPRA9260.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 02:29:20 +0000 (UTC) --->At Loopstock there was a Looper's Yard Sale table--maybe that might be the ticket . . . And best to all there--I am going to try to tune in to the Streaming audio so I can participate . . . Gary -----Original Message----- From: Kris Hartung That's a steal. Someone get this thing! I love it. I'd buy a second one for small scale gigs where I don't bring my rack, but I'v blown all my gig money on CD productions lately. Kris -----Original Message----- From: max valentino I recently picked up a "new" Boss VF1 processor. Very nice, and yes, very cool, but not really what I need. I have this for sale. $200 (plus shipping...unless you wanted to pick it up at the Y2K5 Fest this weekend in Santa Cruz...I will be there.) Includes power supply and manual (of course). Barely used at all. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 4 03:38:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F36C23BF2E; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 03:38:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,171,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="91702668:sNHT21195312" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emilet@pop.rcn.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 23:36:48 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance -- Immersions --- Hyde Park, MA 10.15.05 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <1xQb6B.A.1tG.ckfQDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 03:38:04 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, For Immediate Release: "Immersions" is a monthly genre-crossing intermedia improvisation series built around the core of Doctor T (Video), Dean Stiglitz (ElectroFlute and Electronics) and Ramona Herboldsheimer (Hammered Dulcimer and Other Things) with guest musicians and sometimes dancers or other visual artists. The performance is a dialog between music and imagery, with the performers in each medium reacting to the other. The next edition of Immersions will take place on Saturday Oct 15, and will feature the extra-ordinary reed playing of Berklee faculty member Neil Leonard , the live videography of Helena Schniewind and other guest artists TBD. Admission is by donation -- suggested donation is $7.00 Phone 617-276-3223. Directions http://artistsatlargeinc.org/directions.html Doctor T had been performing improvised projections to music since 1974, His flowing visual improvisations blend realism and abstraction. He mixes DVD's with video and animations culled from 35 years of image-making, using multiple video mixers controlled with a Midi percussion controller. Dean Stiglitz is a flautist, composer, flute-maker , inventor, and synthesist. He improvises on a hybrid flute- synthesizer system that he has created using an embedded microphone and a custom patched modular synthesizer. Ramona Herboldsheimer is a delightfully intuitive performer on amplified hammered dulcimer. Dean and Ramona are long standing members of The Lothars. -- "Once the search is in progress, something will be found" -- Brian Eno and Peter Schmidt Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 4 05:35:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92A5C3BF3E; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 05:35:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=bNNsB72N8vLiLA3hx6wO0IhTnhoSK+FHzcWSJI9P6tl/HkWiWVXTkNBFRf5bakeJctR6av5SThJUOsZa19wgBx7fekpTZdmGB0tgzTC5T9ISWifdYzUuqiWwM/RGuPgtQyfRioUbXbyqjCJ8luhErSo14JGFA1TG3f0uzpMFD1I= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 22:34:58 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boss RC-20XL feature check MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 05:35:00 +0000 (UTC) I'm doublechecking here (manuals will never be Roland's strong point), but can anyone with an XL version of the Loop Station confirm that if you record a loop and then switch to another loop slot, then the first loop is erased unless you save the first loop? And that saving a loop is virtually impossible in a hands-free manner? Thanks, TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 4 05:46:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F9C53BF43; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 05:46:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001e01c5c8a7$07f15fc0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: International Live Looping Day, Sunday, October 9th Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 22:46:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 05:46:56 +0000 (UTC) I'm really excited to announce that not only is Santa Cruz Mayor, Mike Rotkin coming to the Y2K5 Festival this coming Sunday to give KEYS TO THE CITY to our three headliners and make a proclamation declaring: Sunday, October 9th ---- International Live Looping Day in the City of Santa Cruz but he also asked me if I would give him a brief five minute lesson in how to use a live looper at the presentation.. He' a blues guitarist who has never played lead guitar before and I told him that he could lay down a chord progression and start to learn how to play leads over it in the privacy of his own home. How friggin' cool is that, lads and ladesses? The Mayor of Santa Cruz will be a newbie looper!!! 8 p.m. Sunday evening at the festival. Be there or be square. I can't wait! Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 4 06:42:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 757BD3BF43; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 06:42:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.93.77.73] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ekstasis1@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20051003201021.E9253E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Y2K5 performers Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 06:42:07 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Oct 2005 06:42:07.0810 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD712220:01C5C8AE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 06:42:09 +0000 (UTC) I'll bite..... My set will be comprised of both composed and improvised pieces, and pieces which contain both, performed on solo acoustic bass guitar; loopage courtesy a Sellon-upgraded/modified Lexicon JamMan. No pedals, no fx....altho' I am giving consideration to using a bit of 'verb. And, of course, there will most likely be something for "prepared bass guitar" as well. Although not as outside, or overtly experimental as others on the bill, my music of late has been steered towards the convergence of "composed" and "improvised", "electronic" and "acoustic", "experimental" and "conventional" and "accessible" and "inaccessible". I have purposfully simplified my setup as to not rely heavily on technology, and to not draw attention to the technology used, but rather focus on the music. My looping has been becoming more and more organic and interactive; that is, often tunes do not always"feature"looping, but rather the looping is used as an integral, yet not primary, part of the compositon (many tunes do not start with the recording of a loop---they are played on the bass, and the looped parts "snuck" in and as such "interact" the the played compositon/improvisation). The goal here is to blur the distinction between the "played" parts and the "looped" parts. See ya there Max From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 4 07:03:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DA123BF4B; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 07:03:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <43419F60.70903@biink.com> References: <002701c5c7df$32874f10$6501a8c0@khartung> <43419F60.70903@biink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Venues & Festivals for Experimental Music Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 09:03:20 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 07:03:25 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 3, 2005, at 23:15, David Beardsley wrote: > Welcome to the world of experimental music. One path > is to work with modern dance, I've done that a bit. Worked for John > Cage. Another tip: There may also be a path in collaborating with developers of multi media educational programs. Compared to the entertainment business there is a good - and even sometimes expected - headroom for experimental music in education. Educational events may also include musical performances, so in that essence this fits the subject "Venues & Festivals for Experimental Music". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 4 13:28:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C88ED3BF26; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 13:28:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=epWdDUW8EPn60rYkgb9KQZcrMVIf7pDDTkoC7BfiM8ZOOuYJfmF/yqbQ8dmIm92LOTbQGghNaL7HjabQbCDYrew550py5b8z+r3ZWLcEgujgxyMR9p/d2FydBq8/BcF9N3Q6/GM8Bz7cNFgrW/rA0y0v8D9ZErgdij5LeIGYQIA= ; Message-ID: <20051004132838.53504.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 06:28:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: International Live Looping Day, Sunday, October 9th To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001e01c5c8a7$07f15fc0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 13:28:40 +0000 (UTC) awesome!!! cheers Luis --- "loop.pool" wrote: > I'm really excited to announce that not only is > Santa Cruz Mayor, Mike Rotkin coming to the Y2K5 > Festival this coming > Sunday to give KEYS TO THE CITY to our three > headliners > and make a proclamation declaring: > > Sunday, October 9th ---- International Live > Looping Day in the City of > Santa Cruz > > but he also asked me if I would give him a brief > five minute lesson in how > to use a live looper > at the presentation.. > > He' a blues guitarist who has never played lead > guitar before and I told him > that he could > lay down a chord progression and start to learn how > to play leads over it in > the privacy of his own home. > > How friggin' cool is that, lads and ladesses? > > The Mayor of Santa Cruz will be a newbie looper!!! > > 8 p.m. Sunday evening at the festival. Be there or > be square. > > I can't wait! > > Rick > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 4 17:13:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2927A3BF2C; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:13:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Adrian West" To: , "Travis Hartnett" Subject: RE: Boss RC-20XL feature check Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:13:33 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: X-ELNK-Trace: 5cae5941d33b27681aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7904236ed0c14d11130b6779a75709dc1b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.123.73.34 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:13:42 +0000 (UTC) I can confirm this. Adrian West www.adrianwest.com -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 10:35 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boss RC-20XL feature check I'm doublechecking here (manuals will never be Roland's strong point), but can anyone with an XL version of the Loop Station confirm that if you record a loop and then switch to another loop slot, then the first loop is erased unless you save the first loop? And that saving a loop is virtually impossible in a hands-free manner? Thanks, TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 4 17:41:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A6173BF3B; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:41:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4poQnxq/8F5sbBis7TrRz/k8LYtwv05c5v2r5ky++x8RmVnUFHMgaxSVsl6vpmc8rpzL8CxEd1XZfoSw0Vkq5ptyP3MstvzxBS1cHLXVxBrOaQAUhJ/bC8HphccRK/XdB/Hoa789Ue5sGig2fcV2/4m0sPnOTO0S1YkX1+IFplk= ; Message-ID: <20051004174118.81091.qmail@web32509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:41:18 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: RE: Transporting my acoustic guitar to santa cruz on my flight, etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051003115146.39943.qmail@web52811.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1738807053-1128447678=:80255" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 17:41:21 +0000 (UTC) --0-1738807053-1128447678=:80255 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit poly want a cracker!!! Luis Angulo wrote:I hear you,thats why i didnt believe it,i dont think there is a monogamous-looper in this list;-))) --- nemoguitt@verizon.net wrote: > luis.....bernhard is all three of these, the two old > mistreses and young mild > mannered loopermann.....do not look too deeply into > his eyes, he will posess > you!.... www.luis-angulo.com ______________________________________________________ Yahoo! for Good Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-1738807053-1128447678=:80255 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
poly want a cracker!!!

Luis Angulo <labalou2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
I hear you,thats why i didnt believe it,i dont think
there is a monogamous-looper in this list;-)))


--- nemoguitt@verizon.net wrote:
> luis.....bernhard is all three of these, the two old
> mistreses and young mild
> mannered loopermann.....do not look too deeply into
> his eyes, he will posess
> you!....

www.luis-angulo.com




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Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-1738807053-1128447678=:80255-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 4 18:17:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7D713BF42; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 18:17:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Adrian West" To: Subject: RE: Y2K5 performers Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 11:17:13 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20051003201021.E9253E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> X-ELNK-Trace: 5cae5941d33b27681aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec796bedd7192bf37f48032dc7f0908fbf7a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.123.73.34 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 18:17:18 +0000 (UTC) I'll be playing a few songs on my six-string electric violin, mandolin, vocals & beatboxing. Haven't decided which pieces I'll play yet but my music spans many genres ranging from Celtic/bluegrass to pop to classical. I use live looping to make myself sound like a full ensemble playing traditional genres (as opposed to sounding "experimental"). Nothing will be pre-recorded. I'm really looking forward to meeting all the other performers and hearing/ watching your sets. Adrian West www.adrianwest.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Drengsen [mailto:kungha@earthlink.net] > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 11:13 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Y2K5 performers > > > > I don't really know(all of) your work and(even when I do) I would like > to hear about it in your own words.Could everyone slated to perform say > a little about themselves and what they plan to do for 1/2 an hour? I'll > go first > I'll be playing 2 recent compositions inspired by Indian music on 6 > and 12 string fretless basses and Hendrix' 1983 . I use EDP's , DL-4 > and an Eclipse . Nothing will be prerecorded.. > tag your it.. > Scott > > -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp ?SRC=lycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 4 20:33:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 464C43BF41; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 20:33:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: aea84748d3aac262ab8c901f15cfe2ca Received-SPF: pass (colueza.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.176.10.4 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.176.10.4; envelope-from=matigrob@terra.com.br; helo=[10.1.1.6]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matigrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 11:59:36 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: loop devices and amps for busking Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <4kCLSD.A.TJE.qcuQDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 20:33:47 +0000 (UTC) >On 9/28/05 2:27 PM, "Matthias Grob" wrote: > > > well, laptops are battery powered and easy to carry arround... >> > >So are portable CD players and about as exciting to watch performances of :) > >(just kidding) > > Kevin hm... i was not kidding... maybe you understood me, but just to make sure: I seriously think the laptop is the best way to replace all your effects with a battery version. It may be less perfect, but any battery solution is... I am a bit shocked that there seems to be a preconception about some "laptop music", while I am always talking about live looping of mechanically vibrating instruments... > > >> Are there any other battery-operated loop devices? >>> I'm not mentioning the Boss RC-20 and RC-20XL because they don't allow to >>> control Feedback: it's always at 100%, right? >>> >>> In this vein I'd be interested in experiences of other musicians on this >>> list with battery-based looping, including portable amps... > >> >>> E.g. Gary Lehmann seems to be experienced in this? >>> http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200404/msg00085.html >>> >>> Thank you >>> Bernhard >> -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 4 20:59:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 235973BF3E; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 20:59:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PQJrJqFsqxLDLPsIxkGsH6YSI58ROhMp2fjB0gSnADxdLS2LQhhd/ZuC6uLnRGwVlG9b05zzdGBuGGVAUfmAaFhoWXXCnGWM7KXkrL+pe4ZLnpiD/wIMHkPmpORfrzgavy87GCtPZRSpyuVJa4GFg2LNYglbqifvmO3i0Fpvr1o= ; Message-ID: <20051004205952.93761.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 13:59:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Janosik Subject: RE: Boss RC-20XL feature check To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-928757623-1128459592=:93478" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 20:59:53 +0000 (UTC) --0-928757623-1128459592=:93478 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit That's why, IMHO, the Digitech Jamman is a better product. Adrian West wrote:I can confirm this. Adrian West www.adrianwest.com -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 10:35 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boss RC-20XL feature check I'm doublechecking here (manuals will never be Roland's strong point), but can anyone with an XL version of the Loop Station confirm that if you record a loop and then switch to another loop slot, then the first loop is erased unless you save the first loop? And that saving a loop is virtually impossible in a hands-free manner? Thanks, TravisH --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-928757623-1128459592=:93478 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
That's why, IMHO, the Digitech Jamman is a better product.

Adrian West <adrian@adrianwest.com> wrote:
I can confirm this.

Adrian West
www.adrianwest.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 10:35 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Boss RC-20XL feature check


I'm doublechecking here (manuals will never be Roland's strong point),
but can anyone with an XL version of the Loop Station confirm that if
you record a loop and then switch to another loop slot, then the first
loop is erased unless you save the first loop? And that saving a loop
is virtually impossible in a hands-free manner?

Thanks,

TravisH



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Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-928757623-1128459592=:93478-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 4 21:05:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B704C3BF48; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 21:05:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RrOnwimvPs0y44ubdCuJFQVQxvSHVPH+Kepq/hRGRsX1cQpZIK1p7uA0yNDZcBY+3n8FErG4N76ERwHUVagTBAOMCUmCTtV/LLh/sJFLjBGKB67eMPbR2bMk3rkwB7CLmokumm22Y6fSyvZPlxn0lNnaoOtTeWoyke/aEbJVpZA= Message-ID: <353e2ed80510041405i5aa06972hae16b89ce4c8bc3f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:05:52 +0100 From: David Morton Reply-To: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC-20XL feature check In-Reply-To: <20051004205952.93761.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051004205952.93761.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 21:05:55 +0000 (UTC) On 10/4/05, Janosik wrote: > That's why, IMHO, the Digitech Jamman is a better product. Unless you need it to run on batteries, or in reverse... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 4 21:11:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 169263BF50; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 21:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=t7jcl9sRqYd484pnz2T5X76F+YMYpynMzD+xiqvSDnBLxnzeDHRo2iNZEm79VG31B4I7wN2kZlyNkzzu2V6klmDYv/GHbR3hvJEjWkAk/J5+9rCFwlOkrafkx0Cw3ETAnIPvjh2bs3s4r894nOU2oyq3cyRvOiBpDPZjZwEi2QA= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 14:11:34 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC-20XL feature check In-Reply-To: <20051004205952.93761.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051004205952.93761.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 21:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Does the JamMan allow you to do this? I'm looking at the manual and it looks like you also need to press a non-footswitch button to save a loop before switching to another loop to prevent the first loop from being erased. On 10/4/05, Janosik wrote: > That's why, IMHO, the Digitech Jamman is a better product. > > Adrian West wrote: > I can confirm this. > > Adrian West > www.adrianwest.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 10:35 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Boss RC-20XL feature check > > > I'm doublechecking here (manuals will never be Roland's strong point), > but can anyone with an XL version of the Loop Station confirm that if > you record a loop and then switch to another loop slot, then the first > loop is erased unless you save the first loop? And that saving a loop > is virtually impossible in a hands-free manner? > > Thanks, > > TravisH > > > > > > ________________________________ > Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 4 21:50:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 456013BF53; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 21:50:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC-20XL feature check Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 21:50:45 +0000 Message-Id: <100420052150.10143.4342F9350008257D0000279F21979133299B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 21 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 21:50:48 +0000 (UTC) > Does the JamMan allow you to do this? I'm looking at the manual and > it looks like you also need to press a non-footswitch button to save a > loop before switching to another loop to prevent the first loop from > being erased. > Does the JamMan allow you to do this? I'm looking at the manual and > it looks like you also need to press a non-footswitch button to save a > loop before switching to another loop to prevent the first loop from > being erased. You're right. On the Jamman (as on the RC-20) you can't record a loop and move to the next one with just your feet without losing the first loop. Fortunately I don't need to use it this way. I use an Echoplex to record multiple loops on the fly, and just use the Jamman to play back drum loops. The fact that you can switch between these as desired using the optional footswitch is a big improvement over the RC-20 for me. Plus it has way more capacity and the drum loops I'm using sound noticeably crisper on the Jamman, presumably due to a higher sampling rate. If you other Jamman users are interested, I posted a schematic in the "files" section of the Jamman Yahoo Group of my FS3X footswitch in case anyone wants to build their own. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 4 21:52:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B35493BF5D; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 21:52:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YZ6QSlFdXwFm5lWnq7Jup1hvscgGLxyW9dhLjQTFK4V1wFh9D88lH36bFsdlRANQXKQz8CCGWcHfb6whfRPcLY0Yz4bCQ6ZWLLTMcxKcnwSsN6pJx+dhfhIUEN93W941B7lQiz3MMmpsw55grTWV7iwlZ/pnsmMDy1xgqRN3Aaw= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 14:52:54 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC-20XL feature check In-Reply-To: <100420052150.10143.4342F9350008257D0000279F21979133299B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <100420052150.10143.4342F9350008257D0000279F21979133299B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 21:52:55 +0000 (UTC) However, my understanding is that the XL version of the Loop Station and JamMan share this capability, but the original Loop Station does not, correct? TravisH On 10/4/05, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > You're right. On the Jamman (as on the RC-20) you can't record > a loop and move to the next one with just your feet without losing > the first loop. Fortunately I don't need to use it this way. > I use an Echoplex to record multiple loops on the fly, and > just use the Jamman to play back drum loops. The fact that > you can switch between these as desired using the optional > footswitch is a big improvement over the RC-20 for me. Plus > it has way more capacity and the drum loops I'm using sound > noticeably crisper on the Jamman, presumably due to a higher > sampling rate. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 4 22:01:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD1743BF66; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:01:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC-20XL feature check Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 22:01:25 +0000 Message-Id: <100420052201.19957.4342FBB2000B149A00004DF521979133299B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 21 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: <-Oqz9B.A.AHG.3uvQDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:01:27 +0000 (UTC) > However, my understanding is that the XL version of the Loop Station > and JamMan share this capability, but the original Loop Station does > not, correct? > > TravisH I'm assuming by "capability" you mean the ability to record a loop and move to the next one with your feet without losing the first loop. Neither the old RC-20 NOR the new Jamman has this capability. I'm not familiar with the RC-20XL, so can't say. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 4 22:04:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 772043BF61; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:04:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Boss RC-20XL feature check Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:04:25 -0600 Message-ID: <000801c5c92f$989f26a0$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 178, in=439, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:04:40 +0000 (UTC) Is the Digitech mono or stereo? This is what irritates me about all the hardware loopers. I have two EDPs to get my stereo signal looped. I just wish someone would make a floor looping unit that had a true stereo i/o. I would be elated. Is the Repeater mono or stereo? For two spaces, I would hope it is stereo. For me, total looping ecstasy would be the guts two EDPs crammed inside the EDP controller. I'd be so happy, I'd sleep with the damn thing. Someone build the damn thing. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 4 22:16:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6854A3BF68; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:16:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Boss RC-20XL feature check Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 22:16:29 +0000 Message-Id: <100420052216.5902.4342FF3D000861EA0000170E21979128029B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 21 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:16:32 +0000 (UTC) > Is the Digitech mono or stereo? Mono. > For me, total looping ecstasy would be the guts two EDPs crammed inside > the EDP controller. I'd be so happy, I'd sleep with the damn thing. > Someone build the damn thing. > > Kris For me, looping ecstasy would be an Echoplex that, like the Jamman, has compact flash and is expandable to multiple hours of capacity. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 4 22:17:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E63D3BF72; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:17:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lHM7KSatPZIxh2Thj0ESIGqLc3L37DK3WWKXxNMmQsx6GbqDsoRTe6okM0Q+idQf5bAwxnb8FqI2S+PEV22ZJtoAHeSy/fOtmXudtEnsqJMXdOyERyNvWVvripM0NWWu+tQdSMvLO7MSvZtcn8qEC3c+TflMgaz1GqIa/8Nv5yc= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 15:17:11 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC-20XL feature check In-Reply-To: <000801c5c92f$989f26a0$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000801c5c92f$989f26a0$6601a8c0@khartung> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:17:13 +0000 (UTC) Mono. I think you can count the number of true stereo boxes that sit on the floor with one hand. True stereo drives up the price and very few people insist on it. On 10/4/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > Is the Digitech mono or stereo? This is what irritates me about all the > hardware loopers. I have two EDPs to get my stereo signal looped. I just > wish someone would make a floor looping unit that had a true stereo i/o. > I would be elated. Is the Repeater mono or stereo? For two spaces, I > would hope it is stereo. > > For me, total looping ecstasy would be the guts two EDPs crammed inside > the EDP controller. I'd be so happy, I'd sleep with the damn thing. > Someone build the damn thing. > > Kris > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 4 22:34:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBC773BF76; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:34:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Boss RC-20XL feature check Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:34:08 -0600 Message-ID: <000901c5c933$bf585740$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <100420052216.5902.4342FF3D000861EA0000170E21979128029B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 178, in=440, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:34:21 +0000 (UTC) Now you're dreaming, buddy. :) -----Original Message----- From: mwsmart@insightbb.com [mailto:mwsmart@insightbb.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 4:16 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Boss RC-20XL feature check > Is the Digitech mono or stereo? Mono. > For me, total looping ecstasy would be the guts two EDPs crammed > inside the EDP controller. I'd be so happy, I'd sleep with the damn > thing. Someone build the damn thing. > > Kris For me, looping ecstasy would be an Echoplex that, like the Jamman, has compact flash and is expandable to multiple hours of capacity. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 4 22:43:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 513733BF7D; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:43:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UDL3H+lnro5wADRqfgrKl4k0v8IoxtllzAvcY6kzHUHD3VUF4Kerv1DKBtJZhQsAE8rz/g7QLzsCuZyAGLGK795/etVHl3jTk8zIsKAaz2ZnskfLCCNku18qCu/WgnQjmdI5oW0xMI8jDjwZa1h7rbdsTAUIHiesf3nC+tY6Mp4= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 15:43:19 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC-20XL feature check In-Reply-To: <000a01c5c933$dfba22c0$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000a01c5c933$dfba22c0$6601a8c0@khartung> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:43:21 +0000 (UTC) Oh, I don't know what they are, I was just covering my ass. I know there's a few that have stereo in/out jacks--the DL-4, the Boss DD-6, but I wouldn't be surprised to find that they all collapse the stereo image internally. Perhaps I should have said "Count them on the fingers of one hand, even if you're not too good with power tools..." Things that sit on the floor are overwhelmingly aimed at guitarists (mostly electric at that), and guitars are overwhelmingly mono, and the (few) guitarists who play in stereo are usually using rack systems, so stereo floor pedals are a waste of development money from the standpoint of the manufacturer. On 10/4/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > So there are true stereo floor units (5 or less)? What are they? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 4 22:50:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19DDE3BF71; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:50:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <100420052150.10143.4342F9350008257D0000279F21979133299B9D0E039C9903@insig htbb.com> References: <100420052150.10143.4342F9350008257D0000279F21979133299B9D0E039C9903@insig htbb.com> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 15:41:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: Boss RC-20XL feature check Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:50:26 +0000 (UTC) At 9:50 PM +0000 10/4/05, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: >I use an Echoplex to record multiple loops on the fly, and >just use the Jamman to play back drum loops. Are you somehow able to synchronize the two devices? -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 4 22:55:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD41C3BF6E; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:55:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Boss RC-20XL feature check Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:55:09 -0600 Message-ID: <000b01c5c936$aeb5e3a0$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 178, in=441, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <7TBp-C.A.XJE.ahwQDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:55:22 +0000 (UTC) It surprises me that there are not more people insisting on true stereo looping devices. I mean, I'm suspecting that many people on this list have stereo effect processors, producing lush stereo chorus, reverb, delays, panning, etc...yet they are capturing this output with a mono looper and destroying the stereo imaging? It's like putting a color DVD into a black and white only DVD player. Which floor looping devices are true stereo? (Fewer than 5 I take it from Travis' response). Kris -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 4:17 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC-20XL feature check Mono. I think you can count the number of true stereo boxes that sit on the floor with one hand. True stereo drives up the price and very few people insist on it. On 10/4/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > Is the Digitech mono or stereo? This is what irritates me about all > the hardware loopers. I have two EDPs to get my stereo signal looped. > I just wish someone would make a floor looping unit that had a true > stereo i/o. I would be elated. Is the Repeater mono or stereo? For > two spaces, I would hope it is stereo. > > For me, total looping ecstasy would be the guts two EDPs crammed > inside the EDP controller. I'd be so happy, I'd sleep with the damn > thing. Someone build the damn thing. > > Kris > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 4 23:08:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 002A23BF85; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 23:08:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kDqlDpQRsEOlAWVYFPbsFrG07fzCjrCxst27q4kxUK7ACbORMBBtQGWtBiurMimE0A+V3tjfuwtmet5iON3r1rrR2unu/XmuCyMBgKUQLJNweUtQW0nbxR6sQTPJTfwl88MEUEKwb+/OYQ4FV2qzqbE9rD2Pgw5eEKCuTk3qCpI= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:08:39 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC-20XL feature check In-Reply-To: <000b01c5c936$aeb5e3a0$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000b01c5c936$aeb5e3a0$6601a8c0@khartung> Resent-Message-ID: <1iUnND.A.1cF.4twQDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 23:08:40 +0000 (UTC) I didn't mean stereo floor looping devices --I meant five floor effects boxes of any kind in the last forty years. Much rack gear isn't actually true stereo either. I think the only true stereo hardware looping device was the Repeater. Stereo is not a pressing need for most performing musicians, looping musicians are a small subset of all musicians, and many or most of them are satisfied with adding stereoizing effects after the looper, or just playing in mono. For me, the hassle of stereo (cost, setup time, tight space at venues) isn't worth it so I can hear stereo when I play, and the audience probably doesn't care and aren't going to make sure they're sitting in the sweet spot regardless. I have stereo outs on my rack that I provide venues that have a house PA, but in a theater sized venue the difference between true stereo and dual mono is really slight. On 10/4/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > It surprises me that there are not more people insisting on true stereo > looping devices. I mean, I'm suspecting that many people on this list > have stereo effect processors, producing lush stereo chorus, reverb, > delays, panning, etc...yet they are capturing this output with a mono > looper and destroying the stereo imaging? It's like putting a color DVD > into a black and white only DVD player. > > Which floor looping devices are true stereo? (Fewer than 5 I take it > from Travis' response). > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 4 23:46:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EB6C3BF7B; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 23:46:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=rMGg5lRSHL7y8YiqfcTy1lIeLES4tEuJ+sPbZZpyb+iYnEOisZcIWbU+UevGlN8Zt+BJuwe29BKKV/WZVpSUJL1s3od2NY+glcQ/5jA+U9xBPV5SycnAJdUmFJz4SW+4F78GMo/Cpki56E0MNMk52LBiTlw4uKQ/J73NdaH/H5Q= ; Message-ID: <20051004234615.91902.qmail@web50804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:46:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Janosik Subject: Re: Boss RC-20XL feature check To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <100420052150.10143.4342F9350008257D0000279F21979133299B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-601180283-1128469575=:91900" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-C_EvB.A.iLB.IRxQDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 23:46:16 +0000 (UTC) --0-601180283-1128469575=:91900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have a beta version of a new model. mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > Does the JamMan allow you to do this? I'm looking at the manual and > it looks like you also need to press a non-footswitch button to save a > loop before switching to another loop to prevent the first loop from > being erased. > Does the JamMan allow you to do this? I'm looking at the manual and > it looks like you also need to press a non-footswitch button to save a > loop before switching to another loop to prevent the first loop from > being erased. You're right. On the Jamman (as on the RC-20) you can't record a loop and move to the next one with just your feet without losing the first loop. Fortunately I don't need to use it this way. I use an Echoplex to record multiple loops on the fly, and just use the Jamman to play back drum loops. The fact that you can switch between these as desired using the optional footswitch is a big improvement over the RC-20 for me. Plus it has way more capacity and the drum loops I'm using sound noticeably crisper on the Jamman, presumably due to a higher sampling rate. If you other Jamman users are interested, I posted a schematic in the "files" section of the Jamman Yahoo Group of my FS3X footswitch in case anyone wants to build their own. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-601180283-1128469575=:91900 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I have a beta version of a new model.

mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote:



> Does the JamMan allow you to do this? I'm looking at the manual and
> it looks like you also need to press a non-footswitch button to save a
> loop before switching to another loop to prevent the first loop from
> being erased.

> Does the JamMan allow you to do this? I'm looking at the manual and
> it looks like you also need to press a non-footswitch button to save a
> loop before switching to another loop to prevent the first loop from
> being erased.

You're right. On the Jamman (as on the RC-20) you can't record
a loop and move to the next one with just your feet without losing
the first loop. Fortunately I don't need to use it this way.
I use an Echoplex to record multiple loops on the fly, and
just use the Jamman to play back drum loops. The fact that
you can switch between these as desired using the optional
footswitch is a big improvement over the RC-20 for me. Plus
it has way more capacity and the drum loops I'm using sound
noticeably crisper on the Jamman, presumably due to a higher
sampling rate.

If you other Jamman users are interested, I posted a schematic
in the "files" section of the Jamman Yahoo Group of my FS3X footswitch
in case anyone wants to build their own.



Mark Smart
http://www.marksmart.net

Yahoo! for Good
Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-601180283-1128469575=:91900-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 4 23:48:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACC4A3BF89; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 23:48:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZpFU/FK7NOZ2nsJaYmVbsUUR8RAvcNy30brTbZDrz1eHCpXcjZpDWGeOi6/d2YbPbm4Y9t+rlgPAlayktt2TlfbI/1tvfikyhfaSVR8HRS0V9un2kFhkzIs3F35pp+pUkp7uK5SZcLkHCCdY4kMrGYp13/HI42ahJvaOHAGu4po= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:48:16 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC-20XL feature check In-Reply-To: <20051004234615.91902.qmail@web50804.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <100420052150.10143.4342F9350008257D0000279F21979133299B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> <20051004234615.91902.qmail@web50804.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 23:48:17 +0000 (UTC) A beta of a new what? JamMan pedal? On 10/4/05, Janosik wrote: > I have a beta version of a new model. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 00:02:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43F253BF8D; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 00:02:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Mx7O/iVyKZXaLKONy/ZNmNJ1DfY2kax5JapZX8JM12IBNkWhwycKs3VuSC9JkYQV42YiXagnlMVLoL2flCVUH2CK4QDsiUtSHFsGqs1IR/oKvaTeORsdJrSz/p76qJdQNtGlDmwi6ocLIOBWG6qKauqt4zNEyznjn+r5irTW92s= Message-ID: <353e2ed80510041702redc5ecfpaf615bc1389374e4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:02:18 +0100 From: David Morton Reply-To: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC-20XL feature check In-Reply-To: <100420052216.5902.4342FF3D000861EA0000170E21979128029B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <100420052216.5902.4342FF3D000861EA0000170E21979128029B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 00:02:20 +0000 (UTC) On 10/4/05, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > For me, looping ecstasy would be an Echoplex that, like the Jamman, has > compact flash and is expandable to multiple hours of capacity. You missed 'as a $49.95 upgrade to existing Echoplexes' :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 00:13:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 993D83BF91; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 00:13:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Boss RC-20XL feature check Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 18:13:12 -0600 Message-ID: <001501c5c941$964775d0$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 178, in=490, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <-o5xh.A.zwD.mqxQDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 00:13:26 +0000 (UTC) > For me, the hassle of stereo (cost, setup time, tight space at venues) isn't worth it so I can hear stereo when I play.... Although, I saw your rack setup here in Boise, and it is no smaller than mine, which is true stereo. :) > and the audience probably doesn't care and aren't going to make sure they're sitting in the sweet spot regardless. But they do hear it and comment on it. I use stereo panning all of the time and people notice. Of course, they may not notice the subtle modulation of a stereo chorus (at least not consciously), but a radical pan from left to right with some cool filter effects can turn heads. Most of my lush, ambient VST effects have panning that is very noticeable. I understand your comment after seeing you play, however. I don't think your music requires any stereo panning tricks. > but in a theater sized venue the difference between true stereo and dual mono is really slight. It all depends on the degreee of application, of course. . Bands like Pink Floyd, and some psychedellic bands, etc...I've heard some serious panning at live arenas, small and large that was very noticeable and impressive. Even if you are in front of the left speaker stack, you can still hear the panning, it's just not perfectly balanced. Many years ago, I was the heavy metal band Ratt at a large arena. I was in front of the left speaker stack and all I heard was the lead guitar. When I walked to the other side, I heard the rhythm guitar. The sound guys had apparently done some panning, but probably not in a way that made the band sound good, because it was too extreme. Kris On 10/4/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > It surprises me that there are not more people insisting on true > stereo looping devices. I mean, I'm suspecting that many people on > this list have stereo effect processors, producing lush stereo chorus, > reverb, delays, panning, etc...yet they are capturing this output with > a mono looper and destroying the stereo imaging? It's like putting a > color DVD into a black and white only DVD player. > > Which floor looping devices are true stereo? (Fewer than 5 I take it > from Travis' response). > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 00:48:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94B993BF93; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 00:48:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4343226D.5070100@speakeasy.net> Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 17:46:37 -0700 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: why do we loop? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 00:48:29 +0000 (UTC) I plan on coming to see some of the performances this weekend in Santa Cruz (I live just over the hill in Santa Clara). I'm excited to be able to see what others are doing with looping in person. After looking at the list of performers and seeing many familiar names from this mailing list, I got to wondering... Are there other people on this list besides myself into creating/playing with loops who don't perform in public? If so, what do you get from it...in other words, why do we loop? I guess this question applies to any type of artistic or creative activity that doesn't have public performance as it's primary purpose. It's like if a loop is running in the forest and no one is there to hear it does it really make any sound? Dennis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 01:01:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFCE23BF99; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:01:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gQEYMdVQNQCa7eIGueCDSLONLVMoljv/xZzhkTslBkZjK2wzTsRpBP1pJa/mQMQ+o/vpfr3j/TKMkWUmxJpG/5zqS0TpxmaN3cmd8Z19Cj/Yop+PUWCSIkQcDwcy1KXkvHl9qCdbzmVSrW14IAAsSMQ7Ng2/GM6/ogZMqiInTa4= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 18:01:41 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC-20XL feature check In-Reply-To: <001501c5c941$964775d0$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <001501c5c941$964775d0$6601a8c0@khartung> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:01:42 +0000 (UTC) I'd actually forgotten until you reminded me, but that rig was indeed true stereo capable, from my preamp, to the mixer, two EDPs, and the tc reverb. I never use the EDPs as a stereo pair, but it could be configured that way. However, i use one speaker as monitor and the other for the house. I'm not going to carry stereo monitors and stereo mains for a coffeehouse gig. For an amplified acoustic guitar, the fewer amplified sound sources you have, the less your chances of feedback. And I used to haul around a full stereo electric setup, but the "Woo! Panning!" value wasn't worth the extra trip to the car and setup space hassles in most cases. Anyway, the headturning panning effects don't require true stereo--just some obvious panning effect at the end of the chain. My electric guitar preamp was stereo at the time, and I made use of panning in most of the patches, but the EDP and Time Machine I was using at the time would just be either dry, static panned, or more often stereoized through a Vortex. I had plenty of stereo information going going on, and I don't think too much would have been gained by maintaining my guitar panning info through the loop. On 10/4/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > > For me, the hassle of stereo (cost, setup time, tight space at venues) > isn't worth it so I can hear stereo when I play.... > > Although, I saw your rack setup here in Boise, and it is no smaller than > mine, which is true stereo. :) > > > and the audience probably doesn't care and aren't going to make sure > they're sitting in the sweet spot regardless. > > But they do hear it and comment on it. I use stereo panning all of the > time and people notice. Of course, they may not notice the subtle > modulation of a stereo chorus (at least not consciously), but a radical > pan from left to right with some cool filter effects can turn heads. > Most of my lush, ambient VST effects have panning that is very > noticeable. I understand your comment after seeing you play, however. I > don't think your music requires any stereo panning tricks. > > > but in a theater sized venue the difference between true stereo and > dual mono is really slight. > > It all depends on the degreee of application, of course. . Bands like > Pink Floyd, and some psychedellic bands, etc...I've heard some serious > panning at live arenas, small and large that was very noticeable and > impressive. Even if you are in front of the left speaker stack, you can > still hear the panning, it's just not perfectly balanced. Many years > ago, I was the heavy metal band Ratt at a large arena. I was in front of > the left speaker stack and all I heard was the lead guitar. When I > walked to the other side, I heard the rhythm guitar. The sound guys had > apparently done some panning, but probably not in a way that made the > band sound good, because it was too extreme. > > Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 01:54:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A32603BF8F; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:54:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JlyAfRpk2EEom85WpDffyN6tGXSKbh+FUa7FIH8kOvbdhgZPFdwQ8emYw7tyQIpnoj4d3aO3YU0sJD/07xDvdwhM2NP32yg0vSfQExSZtGOsbb+RIXZlY2nxFB2vyyMZx1Yal0RdsEP2TsrfddJ/1Y87fY6pNKrmT1ZbQt9CwdU= ; Message-ID: <20051005015407.88486.qmail@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 18:54:07 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Looping in Stereo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051005001327.1E3C63BF98@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:54:08 +0000 (UTC) Yes Kris, the Repeater loops either 4 mono loops, 2 stereo loops, or 2 mono with 1 stereo loop. All simultaneous loops are by necessity all the same length. Maximum loop time is 8 minutes, regardless of the size of the CFC card. Having the ability to do stereo loops, I find myself consistently looping mono and "stereoizing" the loops after the Repeater. For my way of working, this is a far more efficient use of resources. You have to remember that all aux sends and/or busses need to process in stereo, and the resources of your mixer come under the gun. As an example of my signal flow, I send all instruments (myself and others) through a Mackie 1604 (16 channel, 4 buss, 6 aux sends). This gives me 8 stereo inputs. One of the aux sends feeds the Repeater (which is "dry muted", not passing the original signal). The Repeater then comes back into the mixer and is routed to the other FX via a buss or another aux send, which lend a stereo field to the otherwise mono sound. If I want to send a stereo signal to the Repeater, the mixer allows me to do that easily, though at the cost of another aux send and input channel. So my instruments (mostly keyboards) are all running through the board in stereo, the Repeater is one of the only mono instruments that is later stereoized. Okay, I've got a mono Time Machine in there too... Even my guitar is running through a Replex (mono) then on to a TC Stereo Chorus Flanger and into the board in stereo. My WX5 wind controller of course follows the stereo path, as almost all MIDI modules (ROMplers, physical modellers, etc) output in stereo, even if it's only the internal FX that's in stereo. Stephen __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 01:54:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DECF3BF9F; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:54:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=o3fK9qhlqC01C+wPHqPaPrcLXibq/p0+Rgj5DTcbu5bVOn58i0N3iwolhnK4fwcvcnXI5JieyIsbtzfXoO3Pho09ADyzAsivs/CLPP+IJUjMjMSFo+lhxaAUnndY5xGckE47HfR6iENou8/Pqcp6H/Lz8OtdxUFkRa4sCX/+W+c= ; Message-ID: <20051005015435.74321.qmail@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 18:54:34 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Looping in Stereo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051005001327.1E3C63BF98@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:54:36 +0000 (UTC) Yes Kris, the Repeater loops either 4 mono loops, 2 stereo loops, or 2 mono with 1 stereo loop. All simultaneous loops are by necessity all the same length. Maximum loop time is 8 minutes, regardless of the size of the CFC card. Having the ability to do stereo loops, I find myself consistently looping mono and "stereoizing" the loops after the Repeater. For my way of working, this is a far more efficient use of resources. You have to remember that all aux sends and/or busses need to process in stereo, and the resources of your mixer come under the gun. As an example of my signal flow, I send all instruments (myself and others) through a Mackie 1604 (16 channel, 4 buss, 6 aux sends). This gives me 8 stereo inputs. One of the aux sends feeds the Repeater (which is "dry muted", not passing the original signal). The Repeater then comes back into the mixer and is routed to the other FX via a buss or another aux send, which lend a stereo field to the otherwise mono sound. If I want to send a stereo signal to the Repeater, the mixer allows me to do that easily, though at the cost of another aux send and input channel. So my instruments (mostly keyboards) are all running through the board in stereo, the Repeater is one of the only mono instruments that is later stereoized. Okay, I've got a mono Time Machine in there too... Even my guitar is running through a Replex (mono) then on to a TC Stereo Chorus Flanger and into the board in stereo. My WX5 wind controller of course follows the stereo path, as almost all MIDI modules (ROMplers, physical modellers, etc) output in stereo, even if it's only the internal FX that's in stereo. Stephen __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 01:54:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A73A63BFA8; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:54:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=2ytRFfDKgFxqqpM9nIa67bQf/yydzBGpSESak5sNuVaoFiB7eK73aWAkJ+SLHb+aBUd5cq0AWBOIAgiMQCUox9Ur8+Q+1Wmpg7jbu+P7KJfnqW+cVn6EtHOqVTA5l7BpfV6zhl+iKPAB2SuHOluqrroQ53vDxH9MCzvZUWXujmo= ; Message-ID: <20051005015448.43440.qmail@web34210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 18:54:48 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Looping in Stereo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051005001327.1E3C63BF98@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:54:49 +0000 (UTC) Yes Kris, the Repeater loops either 4 mono loops, 2 stereo loops, or 2 mono with 1 stereo loop. All simultaneous loops are by necessity all the same length. Maximum loop time is 8 minutes, regardless of the size of the CFC card. Having the ability to do stereo loops, I find myself consistently looping mono and "stereoizing" the loops after the Repeater. For my way of working, this is a far more efficient use of resources. You have to remember that all aux sends and/or busses need to process in stereo, and the resources of your mixer come under the gun. As an example of my signal flow, I send all instruments (myself and others) through a Mackie 1604 (16 channel, 4 buss, 6 aux sends). This gives me 8 stereo inputs. One of the aux sends feeds the Repeater (which is "dry muted", not passing the original signal). The Repeater then comes back into the mixer and is routed to the other FX via a buss or another aux send, which lend a stereo field to the otherwise mono sound. If I want to send a stereo signal to the Repeater, the mixer allows me to do that easily, though at the cost of another aux send and input channel. So my instruments (mostly keyboards) are all running through the board in stereo, the Repeater is one of the only mono instruments that is later stereoized. Okay, I've got a mono Time Machine in there too... Even my guitar is running through a Replex (mono) then on to a TC Stereo Chorus Flanger and into the board in stereo. My WX5 wind controller of course follows the stereo path, as almost all MIDI modules (ROMplers, physical modellers, etc) output in stereo, even if it's only the internal FX that's in stereo. Stephen __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 01:55:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 568553BFA1; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:55:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=oty67ZoUMDsZCTcJMrjyzARKVir/IW908SgYKeiEPZe2VTE3FFv8hZHwqfwewZRpSLg3elCjFYMPWLt5vF9TaP+sX2Go4axeRUsBlCFlUeQ04gBJw2P/PlhbDtPMcQKviQgQudkQsGOd0tzu5/KQTxqMCnkxCEYD+JfPKFWEm/k= ; Message-ID: <20051005015459.33144.qmail@web34204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 18:54:59 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Looping in Stereo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051005001327.1E3C63BF98@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:55:00 +0000 (UTC) Yes Kris, the Repeater loops either 4 mono loops, 2 stereo loops, or 2 mono with 1 stereo loop. All simultaneous loops are by necessity all the same length. Maximum loop time is 8 minutes, regardless of the size of the CFC card. Having the ability to do stereo loops, I find myself consistently looping mono and "stereoizing" the loops after the Repeater. For my way of working, this is a far more efficient use of resources. You have to remember that all aux sends and/or busses need to process in stereo, and the resources of your mixer come under the gun. As an example of my signal flow, I send all instruments (myself and others) through a Mackie 1604 (16 channel, 4 buss, 6 aux sends). This gives me 8 stereo inputs. One of the aux sends feeds the Repeater (which is "dry muted", not passing the original signal). The Repeater then comes back into the mixer and is routed to the other FX via a buss or another aux send, which lend a stereo field to the otherwise mono sound. If I want to send a stereo signal to the Repeater, the mixer allows me to do that easily, though at the cost of another aux send and input channel. So my instruments (mostly keyboards) are all running through the board in stereo, the Repeater is one of the only mono instruments that is later stereoized. Okay, I've got a mono Time Machine in there too... Even my guitar is running through a Replex (mono) then on to a TC Stereo Chorus Flanger and into the board in stereo. My WX5 wind controller of course follows the stereo path, as almost all MIDI modules (ROMplers, physical modellers, etc) output in stereo, even if it's only the internal FX that's in stereo. Stephen __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 01:55:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 196423BFB3; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:55:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kEMMvDtvNVIhfSYIGpNxeAqmLuiAazfR6/sqErPOmat06b2ld9xJl0M5vhlL/2V6SNwq0yesVD563fTmtKBvuQeFlRWmN+qcstrhsrDkgHKpnhIernnqRGsS9XT+a39BNrFrPzlEBSwGE8H5Zl0ljr8moZdbxQ31LHqp5VPb+MQ= ; Message-ID: <20051005015506.47227.qmail@web34209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 18:55:06 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Looping in Stereo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051005001327.1E3C63BF98@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:55:08 +0000 (UTC) Yes Kris, the Repeater loops either 4 mono loops, 2 stereo loops, or 2 mono with 1 stereo loop. All simultaneous loops are by necessity all the same length. Maximum loop time is 8 minutes, regardless of the size of the CFC card. Having the ability to do stereo loops, I find myself consistently looping mono and "stereoizing" the loops after the Repeater. For my way of working, this is a far more efficient use of resources. You have to remember that all aux sends and/or busses need to process in stereo, and the resources of your mixer come under the gun. As an example of my signal flow, I send all instruments (myself and others) through a Mackie 1604 (16 channel, 4 buss, 6 aux sends). This gives me 8 stereo inputs. One of the aux sends feeds the Repeater (which is "dry muted", not passing the original signal). The Repeater then comes back into the mixer and is routed to the other FX via a buss or another aux send, which lend a stereo field to the otherwise mono sound. If I want to send a stereo signal to the Repeater, the mixer allows me to do that easily, though at the cost of another aux send and input channel. So my instruments (mostly keyboards) are all running through the board in stereo, the Repeater is one of the only mono instruments that is later stereoized. Okay, I've got a mono Time Machine in there too... Even my guitar is running through a Replex (mono) then on to a TC Stereo Chorus Flanger and into the board in stereo. My WX5 wind controller of course follows the stereo path, as almost all MIDI modules (ROMplers, physical modellers, etc) output in stereo, even if it's only the internal FX that's in stereo. Stephen __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 01:55:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A0973BFC4; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:55:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kQ0BfmVSkgsJGsu1zKMcgnMyHCtP5+EMOCud8dIIhKK5A+aJ/Cpy+K/QtCzIRbXDTYuVtAzSmPE+vWB1ES++FyuD100EYo0omTYL94RxMwaSdKux8w1WG2sI0usY8QtOETg8XieYEpdgECoyFq4+8A/UQGudkJgKHtl9RaGihDw= ; Message-ID: <20051005015511.88760.qmail@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 18:55:11 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Looping in Stereo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051005001327.1E3C63BF98@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6dZjR.A.aIC.AKzQDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:55:12 +0000 (UTC) Yes Kris, the Repeater loops either 4 mono loops, 2 stereo loops, or 2 mono with 1 stereo loop. All simultaneous loops are by necessity all the same length. Maximum loop time is 8 minutes, regardless of the size of the CFC card. Having the ability to do stereo loops, I find myself consistently looping mono and "stereoizing" the loops after the Repeater. For my way of working, this is a far more efficient use of resources. You have to remember that all aux sends and/or busses need to process in stereo, and the resources of your mixer come under the gun. As an example of my signal flow, I send all instruments (myself and others) through a Mackie 1604 (16 channel, 4 buss, 6 aux sends). This gives me 8 stereo inputs. One of the aux sends feeds the Repeater (which is "dry muted", not passing the original signal). The Repeater then comes back into the mixer and is routed to the other FX via a buss or another aux send, which lend a stereo field to the otherwise mono sound. If I want to send a stereo signal to the Repeater, the mixer allows me to do that easily, though at the cost of another aux send and input channel. So my instruments (mostly keyboards) are all running through the board in stereo, the Repeater is one of the only mono instruments that is later stereoized. Okay, I've got a mono Time Machine in there too... Even my guitar is running through a Replex (mono) then on to a TC Stereo Chorus Flanger and into the board in stereo. My WX5 wind controller of course follows the stereo path, as almost all MIDI modules (ROMplers, physical modellers, etc) output in stereo, even if it's only the internal FX that's in stereo. Stephen __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 01:55:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 413793BFA5; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:55:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Z2/dIT+mXci/0qCErHdqXGH+2THZ7YoVS2zGLHP0pWFQNRWQXC8zULfi8bamyM1koYh+nd+PXoSs5CMdwbnhcNunwKX2rL2KARGJbwTM9TMgfj0Eqx8lPbfeGJovhPTepjwj8gZu9fX4UEnxxSXWbalmyuPRRiO4i1CnWn4U95c= ; Message-ID: <20051005015522.47281.qmail@web34209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 18:55:22 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Looping in Stereo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051005001327.1E3C63BF98@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5jOpdB.A.0KC.LKzQDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:55:23 +0000 (UTC) Yes Kris, the Repeater loops either 4 mono loops, 2 stereo loops, or 2 mono with 1 stereo loop. All simultaneous loops are by necessity all the same length. Maximum loop time is 8 minutes, regardless of the size of the CFC card. Having the ability to do stereo loops, I find myself consistently looping mono and "stereoizing" the loops after the Repeater. For my way of working, this is a far more efficient use of resources. You have to remember that all aux sends and/or busses need to process in stereo, and the resources of your mixer come under the gun. As an example of my signal flow, I send all instruments (myself and others) through a Mackie 1604 (16 channel, 4 buss, 6 aux sends). This gives me 8 stereo inputs. One of the aux sends feeds the Repeater (which is "dry muted", not passing the original signal). The Repeater then comes back into the mixer and is routed to the other FX via a buss or another aux send, which lend a stereo field to the otherwise mono sound. If I want to send a stereo signal to the Repeater, the mixer allows me to do that easily, though at the cost of another aux send and input channel. So my instruments (mostly keyboards) are all running through the board in stereo, the Repeater is one of the only mono instruments that is later stereoized. Okay, I've got a mono Time Machine in there too... Even my guitar is running through a Replex (mono) then on to a TC Stereo Chorus Flanger and into the board in stereo. My WX5 wind controller of course follows the stereo path, as almost all MIDI modules (ROMplers, physical modellers, etc) output in stereo, even if it's only the internal FX that's in stereo. Stephen ______________________________________________________ Yahoo! for Good Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 01:55:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B50E73BFCE; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:55:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dYajqrJgaAN3ltD06gizkUMoztNatnfgwzJiHgEuaGyGOOkkDsPRSeCJe+Coi5oCvp4dzDDsCpsMeqK8rujH2RFwG4alIRaumQFPVoARnOAdQ9QmiMl+O8KpCX39a/ghBJ7WgHYm2nd2V9tANjf70REjkAtI4tCzfCpVDQGU9dM= ; Message-ID: <20051005015531.72821.qmail@web34213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 18:55:31 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Looping in Stereo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051005001327.1E3C63BF98@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:55:32 +0000 (UTC) Yes Kris, the Repeater loops either 4 mono loops, 2 stereo loops, or 2 mono with 1 stereo loop. All simultaneous loops are by necessity all the same length. Maximum loop time is 8 minutes, regardless of the size of the CFC card. Having the ability to do stereo loops, I find myself consistently looping mono and "stereoizing" the loops after the Repeater. For my way of working, this is a far more efficient use of resources. You have to remember that all aux sends and/or busses need to process in stereo, and the resources of your mixer come under the gun. As an example of my signal flow, I send all instruments (myself and others) through a Mackie 1604 (16 channel, 4 buss, 6 aux sends). This gives me 8 stereo inputs. One of the aux sends feeds the Repeater (which is "dry muted", not passing the original signal). The Repeater then comes back into the mixer and is routed to the other FX via a buss or another aux send, which lend a stereo field to the otherwise mono sound. If I want to send a stereo signal to the Repeater, the mixer allows me to do that easily, though at the cost of another aux send and input channel. So my instruments (mostly keyboards) are all running through the board in stereo, the Repeater is one of the only mono instruments that is later stereoized. Okay, I've got a mono Time Machine in there too... Even my guitar is running through a Replex (mono) then on to a TC Stereo Chorus Flanger and into the board in stereo. My WX5 wind controller of course follows the stereo path, as almost all MIDI modules (ROMplers, physical modellers, etc) output in stereo, even if it's only the internal FX that's in stereo. Stephen __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 01:55:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0D983BFD1; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:55:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=K6msgOJASiulYH615XJ17MQ7ow2Oro+/6mWzHOxB63W/esiD5I3mkxPZln15RqdAhvA6UZ6rNzco534KXKkc1lGf4+Jt2/5jW6BvLzJxkc5OvSfAjZJJPqp2EuWjEbbdPMpEW+Si4wsGlfkzyN9Ev82va//opaXcil7+zc7spAA= ; Message-ID: <20051005015540.43610.qmail@web34210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 18:55:39 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Looping in Stereo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051005001327.1E3C63BF98@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <8uAkD.A.PPC.cKzQDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:55:40 +0000 (UTC) Yes Kris, the Repeater loops either 4 mono loops, 2 stereo loops, or 2 mono with 1 stereo loop. All simultaneous loops are by necessity all the same length. Maximum loop time is 8 minutes, regardless of the size of the CFC card. Having the ability to do stereo loops, I find myself consistently looping mono and "stereoizing" the loops after the Repeater. For my way of working, this is a far more efficient use of resources. You have to remember that all aux sends and/or busses need to process in stereo, and the resources of your mixer come under the gun. As an example of my signal flow, I send all instruments (myself and others) through a Mackie 1604 (16 channel, 4 buss, 6 aux sends). This gives me 8 stereo inputs. One of the aux sends feeds the Repeater (which is "dry muted", not passing the original signal). The Repeater then comes back into the mixer and is routed to the other FX via a buss or another aux send, which lend a stereo field to the otherwise mono sound. If I want to send a stereo signal to the Repeater, the mixer allows me to do that easily, though at the cost of another aux send and input channel. So my instruments (mostly keyboards) are all running through the board in stereo, the Repeater is one of the only mono instruments that is later stereoized. Okay, I've got a mono Time Machine in there too... Even my guitar is running through a Replex (mono) then on to a TC Stereo Chorus Flanger and into the board in stereo. My WX5 wind controller of course follows the stereo path, as almost all MIDI modules (ROMplers, physical modellers, etc) output in stereo, even if it's only the internal FX that's in stereo. Stephen __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 01:55:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B2843BFD9; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:55:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jtCVlitLkk+gxMiBhsTNSg2E9CxnWkLpTloub1dRtKrHI/E47DZMRjCcyKDJN1wugWdCUAqZlAyPLqgVaCbfZGl1Rby9yalfsMMbm3BvYDcH3jjdTrhl9nd86vMjqWgFolczw5ZDKY4vD7URZA7q3DhMW6Ro5pftSYltU3fdcjs= ; Message-ID: <20051005015548.54451.qmail@web34207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 18:55:48 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Looping in Stereo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051005001327.1E3C63BF98@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:55:49 +0000 (UTC) Yes Kris, the Repeater loops either 4 mono loops, 2 stereo loops, or 2 mono with 1 stereo loop. All simultaneous loops are by necessity all the same length. Maximum loop time is 8 minutes, regardless of the size of the CFC card. Having the ability to do stereo loops, I find myself consistently looping mono and "stereoizing" the loops after the Repeater. For my way of working, this is a far more efficient use of resources. You have to remember that all aux sends and/or busses need to process in stereo, and the resources of your mixer come under the gun. As an example of my signal flow, I send all instruments (myself and others) through a Mackie 1604 (16 channel, 4 buss, 6 aux sends). This gives me 8 stereo inputs. One of the aux sends feeds the Repeater (which is "dry muted", not passing the original signal). The Repeater then comes back into the mixer and is routed to the other FX via a buss or another aux send, which lend a stereo field to the otherwise mono sound. If I want to send a stereo signal to the Repeater, the mixer allows me to do that easily, though at the cost of another aux send and input channel. So my instruments (mostly keyboards) are all running through the board in stereo, the Repeater is one of the only mono instruments that is later stereoized. Okay, I've got a mono Time Machine in there too... Even my guitar is running through a Replex (mono) then on to a TC Stereo Chorus Flanger and into the board in stereo. My WX5 wind controller of course follows the stereo path, as almost all MIDI modules (ROMplers, physical modellers, etc) output in stereo, even if it's only the internal FX that's in stereo. Stephen __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 01:55:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0B2E3BFAB; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:55:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3pYt08zLxEEAAweRkRivmimLg4ytQRFi/hmC5RgWgBLgNIJZ6T+X7NFTwDyQXCBLT9CdI/PZuJL4A4IkDjVFU6bDzOWbAdvDbDKkGprJnIlRlpk5qA1L2wyIijzXaIrgw7Tl7nu25jE0p3kYtojhkyw02kW2DrWg3QhPRH91lfo= ; Message-ID: <20051005015553.1835.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 18:55:53 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Looping in Stereo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051005001327.1E3C63BF98@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <6N_-e.A.lTC.rKzQDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:55:55 +0000 (UTC) Yes Kris, the Repeater loops either 4 mono loops, 2 stereo loops, or 2 mono with 1 stereo loop. All simultaneous loops are by necessity all the same length. Maximum loop time is 8 minutes, regardless of the size of the CFC card. Having the ability to do stereo loops, I find myself consistently looping mono and "stereoizing" the loops after the Repeater. For my way of working, this is a far more efficient use of resources. You have to remember that all aux sends and/or busses need to process in stereo, and the resources of your mixer come under the gun. As an example of my signal flow, I send all instruments (myself and others) through a Mackie 1604 (16 channel, 4 buss, 6 aux sends). This gives me 8 stereo inputs. One of the aux sends feeds the Repeater (which is "dry muted", not passing the original signal). The Repeater then comes back into the mixer and is routed to the other FX via a buss or another aux send, which lend a stereo field to the otherwise mono sound. If I want to send a stereo signal to the Repeater, the mixer allows me to do that easily, though at the cost of another aux send and input channel. So my instruments (mostly keyboards) are all running through the board in stereo, the Repeater is one of the only mono instruments that is later stereoized. Okay, I've got a mono Time Machine in there too... Even my guitar is running through a Replex (mono) then on to a TC Stereo Chorus Flanger and into the board in stereo. My WX5 wind controller of course follows the stereo path, as almost all MIDI modules (ROMplers, physical modellers, etc) output in stereo, even if it's only the internal FX that's in stereo. Stephen __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 01:55:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A99A23BFED; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:55:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=elUVvyw8D4nM8ETUOq/Vyouh9JhU/S6D6iToxqZYmtfYlSAWMGcQlrSitGb1kU83JTskxOr/+26h2J8f27l/07nr+x6H1gC3XJ+/HiGq/z1qiFATd7XOuAqTSbaIXCfT1bt8Gd60wcwmuKyRQeBDiH7wEtWRZFVwuR1y6AT8W/o= ; Message-ID: <20051005015557.45336.qmail@web34212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 18:55:57 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Looping in Stereo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051005001327.1E3C63BF98@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <11M1wB.A.PWC.uKzQDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:55:58 +0000 (UTC) Yes Kris, the Repeater loops either 4 mono loops, 2 stereo loops, or 2 mono with 1 stereo loop. All simultaneous loops are by necessity all the same length. Maximum loop time is 8 minutes, regardless of the size of the CFC card. Having the ability to do stereo loops, I find myself consistently looping mono and "stereoizing" the loops after the Repeater. For my way of working, this is a far more efficient use of resources. You have to remember that all aux sends and/or busses need to process in stereo, and the resources of your mixer come under the gun. As an example of my signal flow, I send all instruments (myself and others) through a Mackie 1604 (16 channel, 4 buss, 6 aux sends). This gives me 8 stereo inputs. One of the aux sends feeds the Repeater (which is "dry muted", not passing the original signal). The Repeater then comes back into the mixer and is routed to the other FX via a buss or another aux send, which lend a stereo field to the otherwise mono sound. If I want to send a stereo signal to the Repeater, the mixer allows me to do that easily, though at the cost of another aux send and input channel. So my instruments (mostly keyboards) are all running through the board in stereo, the Repeater is one of the only mono instruments that is later stereoized. Okay, I've got a mono Time Machine in there too... Even my guitar is running through a Replex (mono) then on to a TC Stereo Chorus Flanger and into the board in stereo. My WX5 wind controller of course follows the stereo path, as almost all MIDI modules (ROMplers, physical modellers, etc) output in stereo, even if it's only the internal FX that's in stereo. Stephen __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 01:56:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 492F53BFF7; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:56:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=2J4TDdRO+0shAfRsLq597WUZlFqfBF8CYdUhMHBo8UH/QvI0qZ8ogo18RCeoFuDToUby2w32bjw9gdgS7DM/aVKbGVAv/lI7Ju00WGILmvXwUjNrJ0W1MCZtFCFf7+DQe1X/TCmMsuRqoI7nbjTNeOK4r16u2gS9fdGA3A8fib4= ; Message-ID: <20051005015601.41672.qmail@web34215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 18:56:01 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Looping in Stereo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051005001327.1E3C63BF98@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:56:02 +0000 (UTC) Yes Kris, the Repeater loops either 4 mono loops, 2 stereo loops, or 2 mono with 1 stereo loop. All simultaneous loops are by necessity all the same length. Maximum loop time is 8 minutes, regardless of the size of the CFC card. Having the ability to do stereo loops, I find myself consistently looping mono and "stereoizing" the loops after the Repeater. For my way of working, this is a far more efficient use of resources. You have to remember that all aux sends and/or busses need to process in stereo, and the resources of your mixer come under the gun. As an example of my signal flow, I send all instruments (myself and others) through a Mackie 1604 (16 channel, 4 buss, 6 aux sends). This gives me 8 stereo inputs. One of the aux sends feeds the Repeater (which is "dry muted", not passing the original signal). The Repeater then comes back into the mixer and is routed to the other FX via a buss or another aux send, which lend a stereo field to the otherwise mono sound. If I want to send a stereo signal to the Repeater, the mixer allows me to do that easily, though at the cost of another aux send and input channel. So my instruments (mostly keyboards) are all running through the board in stereo, the Repeater is one of the only mono instruments that is later stereoized. Okay, I've got a mono Time Machine in there too... Even my guitar is running through a Replex (mono) then on to a TC Stereo Chorus Flanger and into the board in stereo. My WX5 wind controller of course follows the stereo path, as almost all MIDI modules (ROMplers, physical modellers, etc) output in stereo, even if it's only the internal FX that's in stereo. Stephen __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 01:56:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0E333BFFC; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:56:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=HG1RH21f4ce4OWd4FGVobZx9TnuEemgv9tSk545E+TQ/SuwiXJxNPD0x29FD+WAP8mc921nHpZea2/UK909UT4EOcP34G2xSNdGNtJEsfhJ7ekL/2wOiTEOcrFUZiJS9wAfi9aeWPx/r+nSR4vZTdKAplf3weV8VvUKx/2F/Hps= ; Message-ID: <20051005015605.26917.qmail@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 18:56:04 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Looping in Stereo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051005001327.1E3C63BF98@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <1ZPohC.A.LaC.1KzQDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:56:05 +0000 (UTC) Yes Kris, the Repeater loops either 4 mono loops, 2 stereo loops, or 2 mono with 1 stereo loop. All simultaneous loops are by necessity all the same length. Maximum loop time is 8 minutes, regardless of the size of the CFC card. Having the ability to do stereo loops, I find myself consistently looping mono and "stereoizing" the loops after the Repeater. For my way of working, this is a far more efficient use of resources. You have to remember that all aux sends and/or busses need to process in stereo, and the resources of your mixer come under the gun. As an example of my signal flow, I send all instruments (myself and others) through a Mackie 1604 (16 channel, 4 buss, 6 aux sends). This gives me 8 stereo inputs. One of the aux sends feeds the Repeater (which is "dry muted", not passing the original signal). The Repeater then comes back into the mixer and is routed to the other FX via a buss or another aux send, which lend a stereo field to the otherwise mono sound. If I want to send a stereo signal to the Repeater, the mixer allows me to do that easily, though at the cost of another aux send and input channel. So my instruments (mostly keyboards) are all running through the board in stereo, the Repeater is one of the only mono instruments that is later stereoized. Okay, I've got a mono Time Machine in there too... Even my guitar is running through a Replex (mono) then on to a TC Stereo Chorus Flanger and into the board in stereo. My WX5 wind controller of course follows the stereo path, as almost all MIDI modules (ROMplers, physical modellers, etc) output in stereo, even if it's only the internal FX that's in stereo. Stephen __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 01:56:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 303E13BFFF; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:56:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=AZTrvjjCh7JRYsOEnVKydkPCmyrE/KZpitTsKJPOSiNs4HS47YN6XLyWcIUxu6nbWv4vj/0wPoWjBbf6uN1+qu8J+9AH2jQNdJ5R/sOVodysaLOOD/MYwqUGWWFjFZuuAN3uC0KXMvkw9XKHVfYFd3WeVJbkGN1untOC6oX0yGY= ; Message-ID: <20051005015608.33402.qmail@web34204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 18:56:08 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Looping in Stereo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051005001327.1E3C63BF98@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:56:09 +0000 (UTC) Yes Kris, the Repeater loops either 4 mono loops, 2 stereo loops, or 2 mono with 1 stereo loop. All simultaneous loops are by necessity all the same length. Maximum loop time is 8 minutes, regardless of the size of the CFC card. Having the ability to do stereo loops, I find myself consistently looping mono and "stereoizing" the loops after the Repeater. For my way of working, this is a far more efficient use of resources. You have to remember that all aux sends and/or busses need to process in stereo, and the resources of your mixer come under the gun. As an example of my signal flow, I send all instruments (myself and others) through a Mackie 1604 (16 channel, 4 buss, 6 aux sends). This gives me 8 stereo inputs. One of the aux sends feeds the Repeater (which is "dry muted", not passing the original signal). The Repeater then comes back into the mixer and is routed to the other FX via a buss or another aux send, which lend a stereo field to the otherwise mono sound. If I want to send a stereo signal to the Repeater, the mixer allows me to do that easily, though at the cost of another aux send and input channel. So my instruments (mostly keyboards) are all running through the board in stereo, the Repeater is one of the only mono instruments that is later stereoized. Okay, I've got a mono Time Machine in there too... Even my guitar is running through a Replex (mono) then on to a TC Stereo Chorus Flanger and into the board in stereo. My WX5 wind controller of course follows the stereo path, as almost all MIDI modules (ROMplers, physical modellers, etc) output in stereo, even if it's only the internal FX that's in stereo. Stephen __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 01:56:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 892B93BFDB; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:56:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lfOuemXVTBTC/SwYrQmuHi4VVmKt0NCjx+wg6s/OCeqDC4aAsEJFe/9aOuQRLuYooK/lQ9POFIT/eGCrr6q6957+XJZP2BRobgtFgfPpBcPkQSbkniMLeTHTVkc7yqhFCzVEO1sy/UvNi3mkMbRAx+ayOzTQJMyZXvH3bpqzOVE= ; Message-ID: <20051005015632.22191.qmail@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 18:56:32 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Looping in Stereo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051005001327.1E3C63BF98@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:56:34 +0000 (UTC) Yes Kris, the Repeater loops either 4 mono loops, 2 stereo loops, or 2 mono with 1 stereo loop. All simultaneous loops are by necessity all the same length. Maximum loop time is 8 minutes, regardless of the size of the CFC card. Having the ability to do stereo loops, I find myself consistently looping mono and "stereoizing" the loops after the Repeater. For my way of working, this is a far more efficient use of resources. You have to remember that all aux sends and/or busses need to process in stereo, and the resources of your mixer come under the gun. As an example of my signal flow, I send all instruments (myself and others) through a Mackie 1604 (16 channel, 4 buss, 6 aux sends). This gives me 8 stereo inputs. One of the aux sends feeds the Repeater (which is "dry muted", not passing the original signal). The Repeater then comes back into the mixer and is routed to the other FX via a buss or another aux send, which lend a stereo field to the otherwise mono sound. If I want to send a stereo signal to the Repeater, the mixer allows me to do that easily, though at the cost of another aux send and input channel. So my instruments (mostly keyboards) are all running through the board in stereo, the Repeater is one of the only mono instruments that is later stereoized. Okay, I've got a mono Time Machine in there too... Even my guitar is running through a Replex (mono) then on to a TC Stereo Chorus Flanger and into the board in stereo. My WX5 wind controller of course follows the stereo path, as almost all MIDI modules (ROMplers, physical modellers, etc) output in stereo, even if it's only the internal FX that's in stereo. Stephen __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 02:41:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 793903BFCF; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 02:41:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Looping in Stereo Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 20:41:15 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B015041BE@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Looping in Stereo Thread-Index: AcXJVkGeHawHhSlQRle2kS7pqsXHgA== From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2005 02:41:17.0052 (UTC) FILETIME=[428833C0:01C5C956] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 02:41:20 +0000 (UTC) Wow, did anyone else get 15 copies of Stephen's response in their inbox? No big deal. See my comment belwo. -----Original Message----- From: S V G [mailto:vsyevolod@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 7:55 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping in Stereo > Yes Kris, the Repeater loops either 4 mono loops, 2 stereo loops, or 2 mono with 1 stereo loop. All simultaneous loops are by necessity all the same length. Maximum loop time is 8 minutes, regardless of the size of the CFC card. Thanks for sharing this. I had no idea. This seems to open up some interesting possibilities. I'll have to get online and read more about the specs. > Having the ability to do stereo loops, I find myself consistently looping mono and "stereoizing" the loops after the Repeater. =20 I did this initially, but I find it restricting. It basically doesn't allow you to record a unique set of effects with each loop. I couldn't justify the point have spending thousands of dollars on stereo effect if I couldn't actually reflect them uniquely in each sequential loop. Otherwise, you stuck using a unique set of effects, but over all your prior loops....thus mushing everythign together. > For my way of working, this is a far more efficient use of resources. You have to remember that all aux sends and/or busses need to process in stereo, and the resources of your mixer come under the gun. Yes, I am aware of this and it is to my advantage, I have the Mackie 1642VLX and I use only busses 1 and 2 to generate stereo looping with any of the 16 channels on the board. Basically, my signal chain is one of the following, depending on whether I'm looping just guitar or guitar with vocals, percussion, etc: 1) JUST GUITAR: Guitar - Boss VF1 - Computer (with VST effects) - two EDPs - Mackie 1202VLZ - out in stereo to powered PA speakers 2) GUITAR and OTHER INSTRUMENTS: Guitar/Percussion/Vocals/ETC - Mackie 1642VLS - out in stereo to powered PA Speakers a) Buss Configuration: Out of busses 1 and 2 to stereo ins of EDPs - out of EDPs to two mixer channels in stereo In 2) I am able to press a single button on any of the 14 channels (2 being the input for the EDPs) and pop them in out out of my stereo EDP mix...all true stereo and a unique set of effects with each loop sequence. I get CD quality results each time. I can't think of a better setup for myself. I'm in true stereo, I can loop 14 instruments, and I'm not using my AUX channels. I use one Aux channel for my Lexicon LXP1 to apply a nice reverb on the entire mix. Looping reverb is attrocioius....it doesn't capture the decays if you are using delicate input levels.=09 > As an example of my signal flow, I send all instruments (myself and others) through a Mackie 1604 (16 channel, 4 buss, 6 aux sends). This gives me 8 stereo inputs. One of the aux sends feeds the Repeater (which is "dry muted", not passing the original signal). The Repeater then comes back into the mixer and is routed to the other FX via a buss or another aux send, which lend a stereo field to the otherwise mono sound. If I want to send a stereo signal to the Repeater, the mixer allows me to do that easily, though at the cost of another aux send and input channel. Yep, I've done this before. I use the busses and buttons because then I can take instrumetns in out and out my EDP mix without turnig those AUX nobs on each channel, which would be ridiculous. I simply press the 1-2 or 3-4 buss button on the channels. Very simple and easy. Kris =09 __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 02:41:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B4203BFD8; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 02:41:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss RC-20XL feature check Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 02:41:35 +0000 Message-Id: <100520050241.21382.43433D5F000353760000538621979267619B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 21 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: <06g8IB.A.XoE.t1zQDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 02:41:49 +0000 (UTC) > At 9:50 PM +0000 10/4/05, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > >I use an Echoplex to record multiple loops on the fly, and > >just use the Jamman to play back drum loops. > > Are you somehow able to synchronize the two devices? I synchronize them with my feet. :) If you haven't seen the site with my setup: The intention is to use the Jamman to replace both RC-20s on the right hand pedalboard. I've played with this at home and it works great. I am actually able to synch the Echoplex to the Jamman better. I need to practice with it more to get used to it, but it will work. The reason I mounted the RC-20s so close together was that I intended to hit Stop on the left one and Play on the right one at the same time, while hitting NextLoop on the Echoplex! This was to have one drumbeat on one loop and another drum beat on the second one. Very clever idea I thought of, but pretty much impossible to do live without it skipping. So what I do now is hit NextLoop in time (Echoplex starts recording new loop). Change to the new drum beat. Erase the stuff the Echoplex just recorded and start recording that loop over. This is clunky but allows me to reliably record seamless loops with different drumbeats. The improvement with the Jamman is that with its external footswtich I can set it to switch to the new drumbeat at the end of the current loop, then hit NextLoop on the Echoplex right when it changes. This is actually possible to do reliably because I only have to hit one pedal perfectly in time. And the Jamman can store tons more stuff and sounds better. It is annoying that I can't power it off of my Pedal Power 2, but I just plug it into the power strip behind me instead. But no, I don't have any electronic synch happening, it's all with the feet. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 03:21:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E747D3BFCC; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 03:21:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00e101c5c95c$44e0bb00$0200a8c0@bigtony> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <4343226D.5070100@speakeasy.net> Subject: Re: why do we loop? Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 23:20:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: <7rB0I.A.mMG.Bb0QDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 03:21:37 +0000 (UTC) > Are there other people on this list besides myself into creating/playing > with loops who don't perform in public? If so, what do you get from That would be me too. I never play out. I've never particularly enjoyed performing even though I've played some instrument for, um, 35 years. I loop and record myself and share with my friends and family. I do it purely for the fun of it. And I get to make cool noise with cool technology. Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Montgomery" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 8:46 PM Subject: why do we loop? > I plan on coming to see some of the performances this weekend in Santa > Cruz (I live just over the hill in Santa Clara). I'm excited to be able > to see what others are doing with looping in person. After looking at > the list of performers and seeing many familiar names from this mailing > list, I got to wondering... > > Are there other people on this list besides myself into creating/playing > with loops who don't perform in public? If so, what do you get from > it...in other words, why do we loop? I guess this question applies to > any type of artistic or creative activity that doesn't have public > performance as it's primary purpose. It's like if a loop is running in > the forest and no one is there to hear it does it really make any sound? > > Dennis > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 03:50:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B19A03BFDE; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 03:50:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1f6.13847fe1.3074a79b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 23:50:51 EDT Subject: yinz all break a leg.....eh? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1f6.13847fe1.3074a79b_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: YES Resent-Message-ID: <0kUXUD.A.IFH.h20QDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 03:50:57 +0000 (UTC) --part1_1f6.13847fe1.3074a79b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit y2k5.....have fun!.....:)m --part1_1f6.13847fe1.3074a79b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable y2k5.....have fun!.....:)m --part1_1f6.13847fe1.3074a79b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 04:04:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB4D13BFE4; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 04:04:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=mx2aXfDpmajHTn1loz4y6Za05Kb+HQ0YqxbigSqYe0Dq2f3Il4DQnnOWElF1ylfO; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; From: eutropic@mindspring.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: why do we loop? Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 21:05:07 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <4343226D.5070100@speakeasy.net> In-Reply-To: <4343226D.5070100@speakeasy.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200510042105.07675.eutropic@mindspring.com> X-ELNK-Trace: 9e62be84998e294f9c7f779228e2f6aeda0071232e20db4d62ace8d89237ba479ebfdd5ccdf36b6e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.165.5.240 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 04:04:57 +0000 (UTC) I loop as a form of meditation, although that sounds so pretentious that I now regret writing it! Well you know, it is calming, centering, playful. It is just what I do. I have a day gig that keeps me pretty busy, but other than short periods of my life, performing was not on my list of needs or wants. It's been a while since I was active in the looping community, but a new Microsoft-free PC has got me reconnected to the list, and I'm planning on being in Santa Cruz on Saturday too. Kamlapati www.circleroundthesun.com On Tuesday 04 October 2005 17:46, Dennis Montgomery wrote: > I plan on coming to see some of the performances this weekend in Santa > Cruz (I live just over the hill in Santa Clara). I'm excited to be able > to see what others are doing with looping in person. After looking at > the list of performers and seeing many familiar names from this mailing > list, I got to wondering... > > Are there other people on this list besides myself into creating/playing > with loops who don't perform in public? If so, what do you get from > it...in other words, why do we loop? I guess this question applies to > any type of artistic or creative activity that doesn't have public > performance as it's primary purpose. It's like if a loop is running in > the forest and no one is there to hear it does it really make any sound? > > Dennis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 04:10:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E4D13BFEC; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 04:10:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WXu/E/JKGDfr0MsP7nGvpB4xJpdNzBkR0FzX9IqUhyB4kdnCHOoKpNhLk1gSOcy+uG+z2afeSK8zhLNZZAnkhHbzCQU3KhFtgnCoRlSECx0m/N6Xl+mlzOxp6tpoly3tZzjp+sOvrLCh2UmrYVSuk6Wmn53a1SN0OjV04TC98sE= ; Message-ID: <20051005041006.44106.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 21:10:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: RE: Looping in Stereo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B015041BE@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_TJW3D.A.JtH.gI1QDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 04:10:09 +0000 (UTC) Routing the efx through the repeaters little mixer is also a lot of fun,actually you dont really need a mixer!you can record 4 tracks and program your midi foot controller to send efx to whichever channel you like.I do this using my mo-fx and EQ killer and then play with their tap buttons, knobs etc. then you can pitch shift the loops speed them up, cut them up,mute them,fade them in or out individually,etc.some of the specs are Footswitch control for the main functions,MIDI Inputs, Stereo 1/4" and RCA with phono preamp,Outputs Stereo 1/4", RCA and S/PDIF, FX Send/Return Stereo 1/4",CF loop Storage,i mean what else do you need! If this baby gets an intelligent upgrade is just going to turn into a monster! but i still find the EDP more friendly in terms of composing live,the rP´ter still has this live multitracking feel to it,for me it probably has to do with the fact that it has a small delay when you tap on the record button and the other little buggies... cheers Luis --- "Hartung, Kris" wrote: > Wow, did anyone else get 15 copies of Stephen's > response in their > inbox? No big deal. See my comment belwo. > > -----Original Message----- > From: S V G [mailto:vsyevolod@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 7:55 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Looping in Stereo > > > Yes Kris, the Repeater loops either 4 mono > loops, 2 stereo loops, > or 2 mono with 1 stereo loop. All simultaneous > loops are by necessity > all the same length. Maximum loop time is 8 > minutes, regardless of the > size of the CFC card. > > Thanks for sharing this. I had no idea. This seems > to open up some > interesting possibilities. I'll have to get online > and read more about > the specs. > > > Having the ability to do stereo loops, I find > myself consistently > looping mono and "stereoizing" the loops after the > Repeater. > > I did this initially, but I find it restricting. It > basically doesn't > allow you to record a unique set of effects with > each loop. I couldn't > justify the point have spending thousands of dollars > on stereo effect if > I couldn't actually reflect them uniquely in each > sequential loop. > Otherwise, you stuck using a unique set of effects, > but over all your > prior loops....thus mushing everythign together. > > > For my way of working, this is a far more > efficient use of resources. > You have to remember that all aux sends and/or > busses need to process in > stereo, and the resources of your mixer come under > the gun. > > Yes, I am aware of this and it is to my advantage, I > have the Mackie > 1642VLX and I use only busses 1 and 2 to generate > stereo looping with > any of the 16 channels on the board. Basically, my > signal chain is one > of the following, depending on whether I'm looping > just guitar or guitar > with vocals, percussion, etc: > > 1) JUST GUITAR: Guitar - Boss VF1 - Computer (with > VST effects) - two > EDPs - Mackie 1202VLZ - out in stereo to powered PA > speakers > 2) GUITAR and OTHER INSTRUMENTS: > Guitar/Percussion/Vocals/ETC - Mackie > 1642VLS - out in stereo to powered PA Speakers > a) Buss Configuration: Out of busses 1 and 2 to > stereo ins of > EDPs - out of EDPs to two mixer channels in stereo > > In 2) I am able to press a single button on any of > the 14 channels (2 > being the input for the EDPs) and pop them in out > out of my stereo EDP > mix...all true stereo and a unique set of effects > with each loop > sequence. I get CD quality results each time. I > can't think of a better > setup for myself. I'm in true stereo, I can loop 14 > instruments, and I'm > not using my AUX channels. I use one Aux channel for > my Lexicon LXP1 to > apply a nice reverb on the entire mix. Looping > reverb is > attrocioius....it doesn't capture the decays if you > are using delicate > input levels. > > > As an example of my signal flow, I send all > instruments (myself and > others) through a Mackie > 1604 (16 channel, 4 buss, 6 aux sends). This gives > me 8 stereo inputs. > One of the aux sends feeds the Repeater (which is > "dry muted", not > passing the original signal). The Repeater then > comes back into the > mixer and is routed to the other FX via a buss or > another aux send, > which lend a stereo field to the otherwise mono > sound. If I want to > send a stereo signal to the Repeater, the mixer > allows me to do that > easily, though at the cost of another aux send and > input channel. > > Yep, I've done this before. I use the busses and > buttons because then I > can take instrumetns in out and out my EDP mix > without turnig those AUX > nobs on each channel, which would be ridiculous. I > simply press the 1-2 > or 3-4 buss button on the channels. Very simple and > easy. > > > Kris > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 05:00:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E09A43BFE6; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 05:00:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Looping in Stereo Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 23:00:00 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0156AE33@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: Looping in Stereo Thread-Index: AcXJaaPZxlYPU2q+TEKFbxAIhu26mQ== From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Oct 2005 05:00:02.0110 (UTC) FILETIME=[A4A73DE0:01C5C969] Resent-Message-ID: <8xxcP.A.dSB.T31QDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 05:00:03 +0000 (UTC) Stephen, I was meaning to ask but forgot, why are you going out of one of your Aux sends to the input of the repeater rather than one or two of the buss outs in the back of the board? Then you could have more precise control of the feed to the Repeater with the Buss faders. You could also easily loop in true stereo, using Busses 1 and 2. So if you have two channels on your board for a stereo instrument input, you press the buss 1-2 button on each one, pan one channel to the right an other left, and then press the left right buttons above the buss faders. Then you've created a totally stereo looped mix and you still have all your AUX channels free plus two more busses. And also, you can easily take an instrument in and out of the Repeater loop mix by pressing or depressing the buss 1-2 button on each channel. And I believe if you ran the output of your effects into the board, you could then press or depress the buss 1-2 button on those tracks to bring that effect in or out of the Repeater mix. Whatever gets sent to busses 1 and 2 gets fed to the Repeater, and thus looped. That way, the next loop you do, you have the option of having a completely different set of effects. Just some thoughts. Honestly, in this scenareo the difference between looping in stereo or mono is a matter of connecting two more patch chords to the board, one from a second bus out, and anotherout of the Repeater to the board. Kris ************************************************************************ **************************************** As an example of my signal flow, I send all instruments (myself and=20 others) through a Mackie 1604 (16 channel, 4 buss, 6 aux sends). This gives me 8 stereo inputs. =20 One of the aux sends feeds the Repeater (which is "dry muted", not passing the original=20 signal). The Repeater then comes back into the mixer and is routed to the other FX via a buss or=20 another aux send, which lend a stereo field to the otherwise mono sound. If I want to send a stereo=20 signal to the Repeater, the mixer allows me to do that easily, though at the cost of another aux=20 send and input channel. Stephen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 07:22:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DA373BFF6; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 07:22:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <20051005041006.44106.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051005041006.44106.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8EB56868-9580-49C0-A8B4-23485BB67B52@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Looping in Stereo ("Karmic Looping", "N:o 2") Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 09:22:45 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 07:22:50 +0000 (UTC) Hi, A very interesting one, this thread about stereo looping! When I had a Repeater I tended to use it like (S V G) Stephen; looping my monophonic instruments and "stereoizing" the signal by different Repeater tricks (automatic panning sequences, bringing a mono track output through an added stereo fx etc etc). This is also today one of my fav techniques with the EDP; I bring the EDP mono output into an AKAI analog filterbank that can create a stereo immage (even a rhythmically pulsating stereo image since filterbank LFOs follow tempo divisions of the EDP clock and also that high and low frequencies are differently distributed in the stereo field). However, lately I've become very fond of playing with a stereo processed sound and record that into stereo loops. Instead of "mangling my loops output" I now tend to reshape the loops all the time by playing new material into them. And the material I play into the loops is very processed. It's like the effect processor becomes a vital part of the instrument played, not part of the looper (as with my old approach). So I'm definitely with Kris on "stereo looping". What I like with it is that it's so incredibly fast. Simply play some weird stuff with your fx-processor and cut slices of it into the loop, or blend it carefully on top of the loop as a layer by the feedback pedal technique. --> Karmic Looping I also tend to play more with the loopers constantly in overdub mode. This gives a new dimension to improvisation because you do not "play on top of a background". When playing lead melodies you are in fact creating the future background that you will have to play your next generation of lead lines over. It's like Karma - what you give is what you get. --> Two For The Loop In the text above, when I typed "my loopers" I meant two. I rarely use more than two synchronized looping devices at the same time. I've done three, but then I thought the process of keeping three parallel musical evolutions cooking in an interesting way restricted the creative flow of the music. It made me feel more like a remix engineer than like a musician ;-) It seems the number of two is good for looping! In my experience the most interesting music is created when two looping musicians improvise together. I've found the duo format more creative than solo performances or bigger ensembles. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 09:06:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55FEA3BFFA; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 09:06:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00c001c5c98c$20ab2a60$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0156AE33@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Looping in Stereo Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:06:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 09:06:57 +0000 (UTC) No mention about the DD-20 Gigadelay ? It's a true stereo loop device and it works with a great quality of sound. Another stereo loop device is the Jam-Man, but I've found it noisy. I play keyboards, that's way the stereo option is very important for me. This was the reason that drive me to get a RPTR, and not an EDP (because the EDP is expensive and I need two of them, to get a stereo image of what I'm looping. I've never used an EDP, but for that price..., I'm waiting for the new RPTR, to improve my set-up and get 4 stereo looped tracks, that I can control separately, out of time. I run the signal from the bus of my mixer and drive it into the stereo input of the RPTR (buss 1-2) and of the DD-20 (buss 3-4) . The dry signal coming from my Keyboards can be effected by tha AUX send 1, wher's connected my KP2. The out from the KP2 goes in a stereo channel strip of my mixer. This way I can loop my dry signal, or an effected signal, or re-effect the looped tracks I choose. Fabio Anile http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 12:09:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C57CD3BF70; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 12:09:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: d5770c1a396c00e09ba6c3562c1d04cc Received-SPF: pass (bugala.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.176.10.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.176.10.11; envelope-from=matigrob@terra.com.br; helo=[10.1.1.6]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matigrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20050928224618.40502.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 08:56:43 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: OT:recommendation: the Moog documentary.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 12:09:36 +0000 (UTC) > >there was a great quote from moog (paraphrase): improvisation is >just a series of wrong notes. ok, when Moog sais it... but what did you understand he meant? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 12:18:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E1CF3BF77; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 12:18:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 05:19:13 -0700 Subject: Re: Y2K5 performers From: Dan Soltzberg To: Loopers Delight Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3211334354_1950412" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 12:18:43 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3211334354_1950412 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Nice idea, Scott. Here=B9s me . . . ghost 7, Saturday 6 pm: I rarely know what I=B9ll be playing compositionally until I start doing it=8BI usually just make the first sound and take it from there. My sound palette ranges from noisy to really pretty, but overall people ten= d to say my sets are cinematic, evocative, take you on a journey, etc. In terms of materials: 4-string Ken Smith bass (Japanese knock-off) thru DL-4 and EDP and assorted etceteras. Look forward to meeting you and the rest of the gang. Dan --=20 ghost7 | Orange http://www.envelopeproductions.com http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7 http://shop.cavestudio.org/catalog/ dan@envelopeproductions.com on 10/3/05 10:12 AM, Scott Drengsen at kungha@earthlink.net wrote: >=20 > I don't really know(all of) your work and(even when I do) I would like > to hear about it in your own words.Could everyone slated to perform say > a little about themselves and what they plan to do for 1/2 an hour? > I'll go first > I'll be playing 2 recent compositions inspired by Indian music on 6 > and 12 string fretless basses and Hendrix' 1983 . I use EDP's , DL-4 > and an Eclipse . Nothing will be prerecorded.. > tag your it.. > Scott >=20 > =20 --B_3211334354_1950412 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Y2K5 performers Nice idea, Scott. Here’s me . . .

ghost 7, Saturday 6 pm:

I rarely know what I’ll be playing compositionally until I start doin= g it—I usually just make the first sound and take it from there.

My sound palette ranges from noisy to really pretty, but overall people ten= d to say my sets are cinematic, evocative, take you on a journey,  &nbs= p;     
etc.

In terms of materials: 4-string Ken Smith bass (Japanese knock-off) thru DL= -4 and EDP and assorted etceteras.

Look forward to meeting you and the rest of the gang.

Dan


--
ghost7 | Orange
http://www.envelopeproductions.com
http://www.cdbaby.com/ghost7
http://shop.cavestudio.org/catalog/
dan@envelopeproductions.com






on 10/3/05 10:12 AM, Scott Drengsen at kungha@earthlink.net wrote:


I don't  really know(all of) your work and(even when I do) I would lik= e
to hear about it in your own words.Could everyone slated to perform say a little about themselves and what they plan to do for 1/2 an hour?
I'll go first
   I'll be playing 2 recent compositions inspired by Indian = music on 6
and 12 string fretless basses and Hendrix' 1983 . I use EDP's , DL-4
and an Eclipse . Nothing will be prerecorded..
tag your it..
Scott

  

 --B_3211334354_1950412-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 14:01:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27C683BF83; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 14:01:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nP8chnGqT2xIS6HzprzreYY0W47UrkWr1Jc/f0ujvrpK6lLu2ZI/ugnjTklTnfDQznpuHyPHFf8fvqCPwDrC0H7GhLrKEvQsgbdSwzMw4+xadV+AyY34MN8puRk8hiZXaYNNpTOA87LKElMix8VmrQHnOv4JYA0IxNL0w+ZFb24= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 07:01:38 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping in Stereo In-Reply-To: <00c001c5c98c$20ab2a60$040a0a0a@fabio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0156AE33@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <00c001c5c98c$20ab2a60$040a0a0a@fabio> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 14:01:40 +0000 (UTC) The JamMan isn't stereo, it just has two input and two output jacks. On 10/5/05, Fabio Anile wrote: > No mention about the DD-20 Gigadelay ? > It's a true stereo loop device and it works with a great quality of sound= . > Another stereo loop device is the Jam-Man, but I've found it noisy. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 14:36:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DBD93BEF7; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 14:36:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Looping in Stereo ("Karmic Looping", "N:o 2") Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 08:36:27 -0600 Message-ID: <003201c5c9ba$2e7ab1a0$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <8EB56868-9580-49C0-A8B4-23485BB67B52@boysen.se> X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 179, in=492, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <2Ul1O.A.ppF.6T-QDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 14:36:43 +0000 (UTC) You got it, Per! A beautiful scenario: 1. Lay down a 30 second, lush ambient soundscape loop with effects A, B, and C 2. Lay down another layer of melodic work with effects B, C, and F 3. Lay down a solo loop with effects A and H. ...and so on. It provides a lot of freedom and power to compose what you want and keep it in the loop cycles. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 1:23 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping in Stereo ("Karmic Looping", "N:o 2") Hi, A very interesting one, this thread about stereo looping! When I had a Repeater I tended to use it like (S V G) Stephen; looping my monophonic instruments and "stereoizing" the signal by different Repeater tricks (automatic panning sequences, bringing a mono track output through an added stereo fx etc etc). This is also today one of my fav techniques with the EDP; I bring the EDP mono output into an AKAI analog filterbank that can create a stereo immage (even a rhythmically pulsating stereo image since filterbank LFOs follow tempo divisions of the EDP clock and also that high and low frequencies are differently distributed in the stereo field). However, lately I've become very fond of playing with a stereo processed sound and record that into stereo loops. Instead of "mangling my loops output" I now tend to reshape the loops all the time by playing new material into them. And the material I play into the loops is very processed. It's like the effect processor becomes a vital part of the instrument played, not part of the looper (as with my old approach). So I'm definitely with Kris on "stereo looping". What I like with it is that it's so incredibly fast. Simply play some weird stuff with your fx-processor and cut slices of it into the loop, or blend it carefully on top of the loop as a layer by the feedback pedal technique. --> Karmic Looping I also tend to play more with the loopers constantly in overdub mode. This gives a new dimension to improvisation because you do not "play on top of a background". When playing lead melodies you are in fact creating the future background that you will have to play your next generation of lead lines over. It's like Karma - what you give is what you get. --> Two For The Loop In the text above, when I typed "my loopers" I meant two. I rarely use more than two synchronized looping devices at the same time. I've done three, but then I thought the process of keeping three parallel musical evolutions cooking in an interesting way restricted the creative flow of the music. It made me feel more like a remix engineer than like a musician ;-) It seems the number of two is good for looping! In my experience the most interesting music is created when two looping musicians improvise together. I've found the duo format more creative than solo performances or bigger ensembles. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 14:50:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7231E3BF8C; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 14:50:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <65.4f14c2b2.3075423a@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 10:50:34 EDT Subject: Re: Y2K5 performers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_65.4f14c2b2.3075423a_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <0H1MmD.A.rFG.Ih-QDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 14:50:48 +0000 (UTC) --part1_65.4f14c2b2.3075423a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I'll be doing what I usually do -- making it up as I go along (or discoverin= g=20 it as it happens). I come to the gig with some ideas I might try. But, I=20 usually abandon them to a large degree. It will be different than last year though. I'll bring a GK-2a equipped Gibson electric and a GK-2a'd Dano Baritone=20 and some sound modifiers (Vortex, Sustainiac, etc.) feeding an EDP and=20 a DD-20 for loopers for my main signal path.=20 On the side (in a separate path) I also have an Adrenalinn II feeding a=20 Bitrman, feeding an AirSynth, feeding an Air FX, feeding an Ineko,=20 feeding an SP-303 into the AUX inputs into my el cheapo amp. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn PS. Buy "Flux Aeterna" from CDBaby during the months of September and October and all of my portion of the profits will be automatically donated to the Red Cross by CDBaby specifically for Gulf Coast hurricane relief. "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_65.4f14c2b2.3075423a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,

I'll be doing what I usually do -- making it up as I go along (or discoverin= g
it as it happens). I come to the gig with some ideas I might try. But, I usu= ally
abandon them to a large degree. It will be different than last year though.<= BR>
I'll bring a GK-2a equipped Gibson electric and a GK-2a'd Dano Baritone
and some sound modifiers (Vortex, Sustainiac, etc.) feeding  an EDP an= d
a DD-20 for loopers for my main signal path.

On the side (in a separate path) I also have an Adrenalinn II feeding a
Bitrman, feeding an AirSynth, feeding an Air FX, feeding an Ineko,
feeding an SP-303 into the AUX inputs into my el cheapo amp.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

PS. Buy "Flux Aeterna" from CDBaby during the months of September
and October and all of my portion of the profits will be automatically
donated to the Red Cross by CDBaby specifically for Gulf Coast
hurricane relief.

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_65.4f14c2b2.3075423a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 16:15:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7640C3BF8A; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:15:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <003201c5c9ba$2e7ab1a0$6601a8c0@khartung> References: <003201c5c9ba$2e7ab1a0$6601a8c0@khartung> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <92814FD2-F2A3-4DE5-92A9-3DEC4DED4CB7@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Looping in Stereo ("Pitch Transposing Live Looping") ("Karmic Looping", "N:o 2") Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:15:17 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:15:22 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 5, 2005, at 16:36, Kris Hartung wrote: > You got it, Per! A beautiful scenario: > > 1. Lay down a 30 second, lush ambient soundscape loop with effects > A, B, > and C > 2. Lay down another layer of melodic work with effects B, C, and F > 3. Lay down a solo loop with effects A and H. > > ...and so on. It provides a lot of freedom and power to compose > what you > want and keep it in the loop cycles. > > Kris Yes, nice! I guess you also use the tables on some occasions? I like your scenario, in fact that's a way I usually do stereo looping in Augustus Loop. But I prefer to start with a melody on the first really long loop. Then, on the second round I layer chords and lushworks to back it up. Then I like to freeze that loop and work on a second, shorter loop, that is being mangled by sequencer pitch transposing while I'm overdubbing into it. So what comes out of that little loop is a little different from what I play into it on the first round. And as long as this shorter loop stays in overdub mode it will build up cascading pitch intervals of the moving audio (to prevent too much "pitch interval stacking" I like to use odd length of the midi sequencing providing the pitch transposing triggers). Usually that shorter loop makes for a bass line or something funky. Then I may freeze that short loop and turn to the long one to kick it into a shorter length, maybe two, four or five bars. Length doesn't matter much here because this loop is going through a lot of pitch changes that each one will change the length and timing of the looping audio. So I now replace the first "melody and lushworks" with a new pad-like sound in stereo (non rhythmic pad that can take some harsh pitch changes without getting that dreadful out-of-sync feel). When the loop is "paddish" enough I turn off "follow chord changes" for the bass line loop and play a melody while using feet to transpose the paddish loop into the same chord changes that my melodies imply. And on it goes... the basic work-bench for "Pitch Transposing Live Looping". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 16:22:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50D383BEE6; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:22:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <92814FD2-F2A3-4DE5-92A9-3DEC4DED4CB7@boysen.se> References: <003201c5c9ba$2e7ab1a0$6601a8c0@khartung> <92814FD2-F2A3-4DE5-92A9-3DEC4DED4CB7@boysen.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9CB7EF4F-F76A-43AB-851D-DA1385EAA96D@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Looping in Stereo ("Pitch Transposing Live Looping") ("Karmic Looping", "N:o 2") Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:22:53 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:22:58 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 5, 2005, at 18:15, Per Boysen wrote: > Yes, nice! I guess you also use the tables on some occasions? TABLES!!!??? Oh no, I meant TABLAS! Sorry for the typo. Everyone knows that Kris plays the tablas but =20 "playing the tables" is something new! Truly experimental, though. =20 Oh, I just remembered that Matthias and I once jammed a gig here in =20 Sweden where Per =C5hlund actually did that; Played The Tables. =C5hlund = =20 mounted contact mic's on the tables and played them with drum =20 brushes, paper sheets, bird feathers and small metal objects ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 16:40:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E2B73BF94; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:40:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NCnJh1i5ACb+lZMFC4xzQxs+l2RHSS9HV5dE5PY9mJLxgSSncDwNE15jmmK0ZxDnN11mPC/YeEs6XUsgY9dF+UpQF/qhgJ+BSvQiGLtgYaHj+tDjE2ZZGZwRCVgHUUVWMZtTw1V3qSY1ES52pTZDiOfk0TQuHUgewUrQcM/PRK0= Message-ID: <64b81a780510050940o702cb6cfo42c2770a84a369b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 12:40:17 -0400 From: Todd Pafford Reply-To: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: why do we loop? In-Reply-To: <200510042105.07675.eutropic@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <4343226D.5070100@speakeasy.net> <200510042105.07675.eutropic@mindspring.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:40:19 +0000 (UTC) Looping as meditation describes me as well. I like to think it's similar to any contemplative art form. Take for example chinese caligrahpy. Is there an audience? Does the caligrapher judge the value of their art by the response of a bar or coffee house crowd? Of course not. Well, neither do I. Looping (or not, I also play unlooped classical guitar) exercises my mind and my spirit while entertaining me. If others like it, great, but I don't feel a need to seek an audience. Over the past couple of years, I've stopped even recording myself, preferring to let it go as part of the moment, hoping to find something new the next time I pick up the instrument. Todd On 10/5/05, eutropic@mindspring.com wrote: > I loop as a form of meditation, although that sounds so pretentious that = I now > regret writing it! Well you know, it is calming, centering, playful. It i= s > just what I do. > > I have a day gig that keeps me pretty busy, but other than short periods = of my > life, performing was not on my list of needs or wants. > > It's been a while since I was active in the looping community, but a new > Microsoft-free PC has got me reconnected to the list, and I'm planning on > being in Santa Cruz on Saturday too. > > Kamlapati > www.circleroundthesun.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 16:44:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25D123BF99; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:44:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OysxXFmW8vDY2RvebdVEYKkFuzcye0JC+HyTEOdLsnDyfUKI2iWaxrsdQywbcMRquUXmT9s0VsVVSp1Zh7MPNeyr/Ljrg8p4+Z2GV6k7d0S7BoQjUVEhPSSBLRYrNV9RbvzLSWi78QNXFgQOxP3qbLETqAjFtboElnJ4MlgH9dg= ; Message-ID: <20051005164457.79919.qmail@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 09:44:57 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Looping in Stereo times 15 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051005050004.69C653BFF2@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:44:59 +0000 (UTC) > Wow, did anyone else get 15 copies of Stephen's response in their > inbox? No big deal. Wow, I guess that Yahoo mail sees something with the word LOOP in it and it goes crazy. Or maybe I'm just trying to be heard? :) Stephen __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 16:50:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69FA63BF82; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:50:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <209.af9e9bb.30755e4d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 12:50:21 EDT Subject: Re: why do we loop? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_209.af9e9bb.30755e4d_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: YES Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:50:27 +0000 (UTC) --part1_209.af9e9bb.30755e4d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit no one else will play with me.....my goal in the next few months is to find some one else to play with, i agree with per that a looping duo is really a great way to go.....the increased input of ideas of another looper would be a wonderful addition.....also, i loop because i must.....i go crazy and act weird when i miss looping for several days....:)m --part1_209.af9e9bb.30755e4d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable no one else will play with me.....my go= al in the next few months is to find some one else to play with, i agree wit= h per that a looping duo is really a great way to go.....the increased input= of ideas of another looper would be a wonderful addition.....also, i loop b= ecause i must.....i go crazy and act weird when i miss looping for several d= ays....:)m --part1_209.af9e9bb.30755e4d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 16:57:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92DC63BFA6; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:57:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5ueeV6RqtpspIjccE5MEJzKMq7my/TEFQXMI2NDCtnfUxmHL6qrxQU6jKr5az9v97DHRcf5DwxtDIkexQ2wknMU/qMwXCwXzKA4/Vl9e3CtABi63VW68iZDewMKkCOEx4JfWMVDJip+zEVQAVnbGJ7dqH9vFVK4YeYP3hlWVS+c= ; Message-ID: <20051005165743.17086.qmail@web81610.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 09:57:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Carlos Carrillo Subject: Looping items for sale... 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Cheers Carlos Carrillo (213)977-4946 inti007us@yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 17:35:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FC8C3BFA2; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:35:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <20051005164457.79919.qmail@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051005164457.79919.qmail@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <197B14A8-951A-44FC-9D11-105C492299CD@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Looping in Stereo times 15 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 19:35:46 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:35:52 +0000 (UTC) >> Wow, did anyone else get 15 copies of Stephen's response in their >> inbox? No big deal. >> > On Oct 5, 2005, at 18:44, S V G wrote > Wow, I guess that Yahoo mail sees something with the word LOOP > in it and it goes crazy. > > Or maybe I'm just trying to be heard? :) > > Stephen yeah, some loopers need to seek out an audience... ;-)) I actually read three of those clones to make sure they were identical enough for deleting "en masse". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 18:22:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D16DB3BF96; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:22:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Yz97A9cQpBphpXTyD5NSxNvIozP2NSa9a9EB/coQXfrkY9iJk5Byp6NBWsRBdkYCIi6xPx47MJl/+x8R+19dEgRxoUxkiQMyGCb2VI9N7E3SslmrS6me7cDqmE1s3fweY/Ie3JI3vwlz5zDmStqTVjt3Qe46ln37cd9Is6jTCRQ= ; Message-ID: <20051005182208.45311.qmail@web34211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:22:08 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Looping in Stereo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051005173552.1EFD03BFAD@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:22:10 +0000 (UTC) Kris, I actually do it the way you describe. I wrote it up the other way because it was a way I did it in the past and I thought it would be easier to understand. I guess not! These days I have Buss 1&2 going to the Electrix Mo-FX then through the Filter Factory, and Buss 3&4 going to the Repeater. Both of these come back into two input channels each, so I have to remember not to send them back into their own inputs... unless I'm looking for that of course. So even though I have the instant capability to loop things in stereo, I find that I don't miss it when I loop in mono. For everything else, stereo is extremely important to me. And no, I don't currently play out with this system. This is for studio work only. Stephen > Stephen, I was meaning to ask but forgot, why are you going out of one > of your Aux sends to the input of the repeater rather than one or two of > the buss outs in the back of the board? Then you could have more precise > control of the feed to the Repeater with the Buss faders. You could > also easily loop in true stereo, using Busses 1 and 2. So if you have > two channels on your board for a stereo instrument input, you press the > buss 1-2 button on each one, pan one channel to the right an other left, > and then press the left right buttons above the buss faders. Then you've > created a totally stereo looped mix and you still have all your AUX > channels free plus two more busses. And also, you can easily take an > instrument in and out of the Repeater loop mix by pressing or depressing > the buss 1-2 button on each channel. And I believe if you ran the output > of your effects into the board, you could then press or depress the buss > 1-2 button on those tracks to bring that effect in or out of the > Repeater mix. Whatever gets sent to busses 1 and 2 gets fed to the > Repeater, and thus looped. That way, the next loop you do, you have the > option of having a completely different set of effects. > > Just some thoughts. Honestly, in this scenareo the difference between > looping in stereo or mono is a matter of connecting two more patch > chords to the board, one from a second bus out, and anotherout of the > Repeater to the board. > > Kris __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 18:40:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CBF83BFA6; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:40:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qCpmazFj1mRPYBs+T3tBsO2cKrcWiR2oA478jdKPbmwqFjc4Lv6JrAObJ4mD7zqVSTrzfbOn5XC1Xnqp4eRi0NUHYuIKy+8ixWy/ExqO+1/SLCpuZrCvMMQB3mCUCENxn4kTbkcMx3EFvTt5CthyQAS36xHioz4G6EN4Meqrhcc= ; Message-ID: <20051005183958.25706.qmail@web32509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:39:58 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: why do we loop? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <64b81a780510050940o702cb6cfo42c2770a84a369b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1474098385-1128537598=:25637" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 18:40:01 +0000 (UTC) --0-1474098385-1128537598=:25637 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit groovy...simutanious dimentional existance is a good mantra type thiggy to think about while layin back cosmic loops while clouds drift by this terrain we inhabit on a planet that is spining and looping in our little universe part of even more vast loops of galaxial proportions and on into infinity... from rainy days to hard days at work the loops expose your soul,sometimes brilliant colors,times of shades of grey... the loops have an aura thats always unique... one of my favorite loop rituals is sitting in a circle and passing to the left over and over and over ect... makes me think about time...and manipulating it!!! danny/scary visionary *<[,':~}) Todd Pafford wrote: Looping as meditation describes me as well. I like to think it's similar to any contemplative art form. Take for example chinese caligrahpy. Is there an audience? Does the caligrapher judge the value of their art by the response of a bar or coffee house crowd? Of course not. Well, neither do I. Looping (or not, I also play unlooped classical guitar) exercises my mind and my spirit while entertaining me. If others like it, great, but I don't feel a need to seek an audience. Over the past couple of years, I've stopped even recording myself, preferring to let it go as part of the moment, hoping to find something new the next time I pick up the instrument. Todd On 10/5/05, eutropic@mindspring.com wrote: > I loop as a form of meditation, although that sounds so pretentious that I now > regret writing it! Well you know, it is calming, centering, playful. It is > just what I do. > > I have a day gig that keeps me pretty busy, but other than short periods of my > life, performing was not on my list of needs or wants. > > It's been a while since I was active in the looping community, but a new > Microsoft-free PC has got me reconnected to the list, and I'm planning on > being in Santa Cruz on Saturday too. > > Kamlapati > www.circleroundthesun.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-1474098385-1128537598=:25637 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
groovy...simutanious dimentional existance is a good mantra type thiggy to think about while layin back cosmic loops while clouds drift by this terrain we inhabit on a planet that is spining and looping in our little universe part of even more vast loops of galaxial proportions and on into infinity...
from rainy days to hard days at work the loops expose your soul,sometimes brilliant colors,times of shades of grey... the loops have an aura thats always unique...
one of my favorite loop rituals is sitting in a circle and passing to the left over and over and over ect...
makes me think about time...and manipulating it!!!
danny/scary visionary *<[,':~})

Todd Pafford <calenlas@gmail.com> wrote:
Looping as meditation describes me as well. I like to think it's
similar to any contemplative art form. Take for example chinese
caligrahpy. Is there an audience? Does the caligrapher judge the
value of their art by the response of a bar or coffee house crowd? Of
course not. Well, neither do I. Looping (or not, I also play
unlooped classical guitar) exercises my mind and my spirit while
entertaining me. If others like it, great, but I don't feel a need to
seek an audience. Over the past couple of years, I've stopped even
recording myself, preferring to let it go as part of the moment,
hoping to find something new the next time I pick up the instrument.

Todd


On 10/5/05, eutropic@mindspring.com wrote:
> I loop as a form of meditation, although that sounds so pretentious that I now
> regret writing it! Well you know, it is calming, centering, playful. It is
> just what I do.
>
> I have a day gig that keeps me pretty busy, but other than short periods of my
> life, performing was not on my list of needs or wants.
>
> It's been a while since I was active in the looping community, but a new
> Microsoft-free PC has got me reconnected to the list, and I'm planning on
> being in Santa Cruz on Saturday too.
>
> Kamlapati
> www.circleroundthesun.com



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Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-1474098385-1128537598=:25637-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 19:43:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 732373BFA4; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 19:43:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pP1uBAzxKIeJvRMJNjRzIxwOmPG969hIvWDWWe3jayLeZueJXmOFE9xtVZaruaQPE8NpF6h+B70sGEV2RcbgPyNEwMIKXq+E0tS716/l59LzdwxRZM97AXKZ6cjeG7SI/L5v2gpQTJgT6apD/nlBb44DnpoT2C6sgUv+3s2oAro= ; Message-ID: <20051005194337.48301.qmail@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 12:43:37 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hansen Subject: ot: moog's improv quote / why we loop / santa cruz y2k5 fest-recording? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051004174121.0892D3BF3C@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1836576632-1128541417=:36004" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 19:43:39 +0000 (UTC) --0-1836576632-1128541417=:36004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit (1) matthias-um, i'm not sure if you wanted me to answer that, since i posted the quote, but i can attempt to make a "wrong answer".... if i remember, in the movie he was talking w/ one of his early business partners, and they were playing around at some keyboards, laughing, etc. to me, improv w/in a musical setting is the process of exploring to see what comes out/ just trying to let the ideas come out freely... some may call it noodling, some may call it practice...i always think of it as a freeform in some way though, not so much a rigid, preconceived...i would guess that my ideas in this sense are formed from what i've heard of live recordings of hendrix, the couple of bootleg david torn discs i have, and the couple of recordings of r. fripp and henry kaiser i have...the hendrix reference might not be the best since he is performing w/in the confines of "pop music of time" and they tend to be his blues leaning songs (red house, hear my train a comin, etc)... some may argue that "recording improv pieces" are no longer "improv" and there is the possiblity that there are only a few good nuggets within a long time span of improv, but that is the nature of exploring.... >there was a great quote from moog (paraphrase): improvisation is >just a series of wrong notes. >Matthias wrote: ok, when Moog sais it... but what did you understand he meant? (2) why we loop-i think i've fallen under the spell of looping since '00 b/c of the endless possibilities that it offers, and i don't play out or perform, but i enjoy recording ideas for my own growth, and i have recorded 2 short 30min programs for our local public access tv -both of which are now over a yr old. i've watched the shows a couple of times just to see what i was doing a yr ago, and its a fun snapshot to see where i was, and to see me struggling to make something....and originally i wasn't going to release it, i was going to do a test to see if it was any good, and then after watching, figured the test was ok. a funny aside to this- a friend of mine saw one of my shows a few months back and i saw him at a gathering and we were talking about it. he understands what i do (the guitar looping etc). his comment to me was: "that i needed to talk and explain more what i was doing w/ hitting all the buttons and playing with the samplers etc, b/c he was interested in what i was doing."(again a paraphrase). so i thought that was interesting that a layman, understood what i was doing, but i think he wanted me to present more of a "how to-" program rather than my 30 min of "improv". (3) in regards to the upcoming santa cruz loop fest-since i can't be there-- i was wondering if anyone who planned on attending were going to videotape any of the performances? i would love to be able to see some live footage (video or dvd) from the wide range of folks who will be performing, since i can't be there.....just curious.... s---- --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-1836576632-1128541417=:36004 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

(1) matthias-um, i'm not sure if you wanted me to answer that, since i posted the quote,  but i can attempt to make a "wrong answer"....

if i remember, in the movie he was talking w/ one of his early business partners, and they were playing around at some keyboards, laughing, etc.

to me, improv w/in a musical setting is the process of exploring to see what comes out/ just trying to let the ideas come out freely... some may call it noodling, some may call it practice...i always think of it as a freeform in some way though, not so much a rigid, preconceived...i would guess that my ideas in this sense are formed from what i've heard of live recordings of hendrix, the couple of bootleg david torn discs i have, and the couple of recordings of r. fripp and henry kaiser i have...the hendrix reference might not be the best since he is performing w/in the confines of "pop music of time" and they tend to be his blues leaning songs (red house, hear my train a comin, etc)...

some may argue that "recording improv pieces" are no longer "improv" and there is the possiblity that there are only a few good nuggets within a long time span of improv, but that is the nature of exploring....

 

>there was a great quote from moog (paraphrase): improvisation is
>just a series of wrong notes.
>Matthias wrote: ok, when Moog sais it... but what did you understand he meant?

(2) why we loop-i think i've fallen under the spell of looping since '00 b/c of the endless

possibilities that it offers, and i don't play out or perform, but i enjoy recording ideas

for my own growth, and i have recorded 2 short 30min programs for our local public access

tv -both of which are now over a yr old. i've watched the shows a couple of times just to

see what i was doing a yr ago, and its a fun snapshot to see where i was, and to see me struggling to make something....and originally i wasn't going to release it, i was going to do a test to see if it was any good, and then after watching, figured the test was ok.

a funny aside to this- a friend of mine saw one of my shows a few months back and i saw him

at a gathering and we were talking about it.

he understands what i do (the guitar looping etc). his comment to me was: "that i needed to

talk and explain more what i was doing w/ hitting all the buttons and playing with the samplers etc, b/c he was interested in what i was doing."(again a paraphrase). so i thought that was interesting that a layman, understood what i was doing, but i think he wanted me to present more of a "how to-" program rather than my 30 min of "improv".

 

(3) in regards to the upcoming santa cruz loop fest-since i can't be there--

i was wondering if anyone who planned on attending were going to videotape  any of the

performances? i would love to be able to see some live footage (video or dvd) from the wide range of folks who will be performing, since i can't be there.....just curious....

s----

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Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-1836576632-1128541417=:36004-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 20:14:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44C2C3BFAF; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 20:14:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Looping in Stereo times 15 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 14:14:02 -0600 Message-ID: <004401c5c9e9$577fbf80$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20051005164457.79919.qmail@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 179, in=476, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 20:14:18 +0000 (UTC) I think you ran your email through your Repeater. At least we know it works. :) Kris -----Original Message----- From: S V G [mailto:vsyevolod@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:45 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping in Stereo times 15 > Wow, did anyone else get 15 copies of Stephen's response in their > inbox? No big deal. Wow, I guess that Yahoo mail sees something with the word LOOP in it and it goes crazy. Or maybe I'm just trying to be heard? :) Stephen __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 20:34:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85A743BF96; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 20:34:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Looping in Stereo ("Pitch Transposing Live Looping") ("Karmic Looping", "N:o 2") Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 14:34:04 -0600 Message-ID: <004601c5c9ec$23aa5f00$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <92814FD2-F2A3-4DE5-92A9-3DEC4DED4CB7@boysen.se> X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 179, in=493, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 20:34:18 +0000 (UTC) Tables...tablas, doesn't matter to me...whatever makes a noise when you hit it is fair game to me in the looping world! :) Actually, I sold my tablas and invested in several other drums...four different sizes of darbukas (middle eastern drums), a frame drum, and a kanjira (like a tiny tambourine with one bell and sounds like a talking drum when you press on the head with your thumb). I sold my sitar too, because the last time I performed live with it, I pulled a muscle in my ass (literally) and acquired piriformis syndrome, which pinches the sciatic nerve and has been causing me chronic pain for month. I sold the sitar and plan to purchase six months of a personal trainer time to get me back into shape...my medical insurance is paying for the physical therapy, doctor's visits, and did I mention those great drugs? (vicidin, soma, and valium....wow, talk about improvisation). Anyway, Per, yes, all those scenarios you mention below are fair game, and I use variations of them. I think you take it a bit further than me, though. I do enjoy starting with just an abstract melody and then adding more soundscape layers, all non-metered of course...it's like turning the traditional looping process on its head. Or what I like to is lay down a seemingly chaotic series of loops, textures, melodies, etc...with no meter or key, and then use Multiply and Record to super-impose a metered groove over that, redefining the loop length....then I have this cool polytonal thing going on over what was a non-rhythmic soundscape. I've been adding the percussion and my voice to that too. The kanjira is totally cool. It is small, and I can pick it up and play it with my guitar strapped on me. It is just an amazing little instrument: http://www.steveweissmusic.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/3129 7 with a very unique voice. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:15 AM To: Loopers Subject: Re: Looping in Stereo ("Pitch Transposing Live Looping") ("Karmic Looping", "N:o 2") On Oct 5, 2005, at 16:36, Kris Hartung wrote: > You got it, Per! A beautiful scenario: > > 1. Lay down a 30 second, lush ambient soundscape loop with effects > A, B, > and C > 2. Lay down another layer of melodic work with effects B, C, and F > 3. Lay down a solo loop with effects A and H. > > ...and so on. It provides a lot of freedom and power to compose > what you > want and keep it in the loop cycles. > > Kris Yes, nice! I guess you also use the tables on some occasions? I like your scenario, in fact that's a way I usually do stereo looping in Augustus Loop. But I prefer to start with a melody on the first really long loop. Then, on the second round I layer chords and lushworks to back it up. Then I like to freeze that loop and work on a second, shorter loop, that is being mangled by sequencer pitch transposing while I'm overdubbing into it. So what comes out of that little loop is a little different from what I play into it on the first round. And as long as this shorter loop stays in overdub mode it will build up cascading pitch intervals of the moving audio (to prevent too much "pitch interval stacking" I like to use odd length of the midi sequencing providing the pitch transposing triggers). Usually that shorter loop makes for a bass line or something funky. Then I may freeze that short loop and turn to the long one to kick it into a shorter length, maybe two, four or five bars. Length doesn't matter much here because this loop is going through a lot of pitch changes that each one will change the length and timing of the looping audio. So I now replace the first "melody and lushworks" with a new pad-like sound in stereo (non rhythmic pad that can take some harsh pitch changes without getting that dreadful out-of-sync feel). When the loop is "paddish" enough I turn off "follow chord changes" for the bass line loop and play a melody while using feet to transpose the paddish loop into the same chord changes that my melodies imply. And on it goes... the basic work-bench for "Pitch Transposing Live Looping". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 20:36:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E97813BFAD; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 20:36:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Looping in Stereo ("Pitch Transposing Live Looping") ("Karmic Looping", "N:o 2") Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 14:36:29 -0600 Message-ID: <004701c5c9ec$79e1e780$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <9CB7EF4F-F76A-43AB-851D-DA1385EAA96D@boysen.se> X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 4, in=11, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 20:36:42 +0000 (UTC) Very nice. During that first live internet broadcast performance I did a while back, I took a sip of my soda pop and decided to loop that....all fair game. Of course, Michael is the master of looping food related items. :) Kris -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se]=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:23 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping in Stereo ("Pitch Transposing Live Looping") ("Karmic Looping", "N:o 2") On Oct 5, 2005, at 18:15, Per Boysen wrote: > Yes, nice! I guess you also use the tables on some occasions? TABLES!!!??? Oh no, I meant TABLAS! Sorry for the typo. Everyone knows that Kris plays the tablas but =20 "playing the tables" is something new! Truly experimental, though. =20 Oh, I just remembered that Matthias and I once jammed a gig here in =20 Sweden where Per =C5hlund actually did that; Played The Tables. =C5hlund = =20 mounted contact mic's on the tables and played them with drum =20 brushes, paper sheets, bird feathers and small metal objects ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 23:49:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B52F3BFAC; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 23:49:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mTZlYYFxkkZVEcO7x8wcp43ON6gXs7spCyN6Kjc9N/TX05pX+tlFZuqRZrdwEd6l+92oeMbbrbO3MIcpMpYJLdpytfdlQqpb1/suy/A8NxkTd0TAe/UbIDaLoXFucMZw7v4POb8VWLPe89KbguZ+LMLkvsXdq4EeWak19mJpX4A= ; Message-ID: <20051005234957.5315.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:49:57 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: why do we loop? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4343226D.5070100@speakeasy.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 23:49:58 +0000 (UTC) Ah Morpheus, you ask an interesting question. I counter your question with this: Why do we perform? Are we looping only for some validation from others? If we are not percieved my others do we cease to exist? This topic is near and dear to my heart, as I often struggle with it. I've found a few things in my day. I'm not a professional. That means the number of times I play out per any given increment of time is pretty low. Because I never quite get used to it there's always a level of stress (non performance related) that I hate. From the break down to the set up to the "ooops, there's not enough light/monitor/something else/ on the stage..." if there is a stage. Add that to performance related stress (Am I going to fuck up? Is my gear going to fuck up?) and you have a night of general malease at the very best. Sure, a few moments of zen when you're groov'n and the audience is digg'n are nice, but man there's a price to get that. In my studio I AM GOD. I control the audio, video, light, temp. I can stop what I'm doing if I choose to and reconfigure my system at my leisure. I can invite a friend to jam with, or not. My system remains the way it was when I last used it. Because of this I can get really intimate with it and get a lot out of it. To counter some of the live issues I've tried to play with a stripped down easy to set up and configure system. Problem is it's not what I'm used to and that leads to issues. Bringing everything makes it nice and familar... but makes set up an hour long affair with many points where mistakes can happen. Nothing like a gear failure to make a performance a nightmare. Then there's this: Perhaps the audience is the destroyer of art. When I'm home with only myself as audience I can really be free to create something that I'm digging at the time. If it's a horrific noise fest I don't have to worry about emptying the club because people came to drink and pick up girls. I don't have to answer questions like, "how much of that is prerecorded?" (answer: none) So I'll say (for now) that I feel the most real loops are the loops that exist alone in the woods. Even turning on your recorder will change how you play something... knowing an audience is in the future. I do find this a bit more agreeable to my way of thinking and playing. That and I do not need affirmation of my art to benifit from it. I loop for me. Mark --- Dennis Montgomery wrote: > it...in other words, why do we loop? I guess this > question applies to > any type of artistic or creative activity that > doesn't have public > performance as it's primary purpose. It's like if a > loop is running in > the forest and no one is there to hear it does it > really make any sound? > > Dennis > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 5 23:55:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5539C3BFBB; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 23:55:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ckuHN2A0flTP3iuaQlLCGgGTbu8cI5eOD8sNLAYFVq5Y1yoRrRulvL/57iF0NDR7cisnvRO7eLcm2FSnH59/mp+upztk8tqVTBK5C65fHhMllTgG/HA1c+atWOH0xhcZ8N0Ks1QnUwhii3lPqUPUDdtVmsgbq8oJOznQdnwKC2k= ; Message-ID: <20051005235545.69670.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 16:55:45 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: why do we loop? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00e101c5c95c$44e0bb00$0200a8c0@bigtony> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <4LBFKB.A.4DH.DgGRDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 23:55:47 +0000 (UTC) Amen my brother. --- Tony K wrote: > I do it purely > for the fun of it. And I get to make cool noise > with cool technology. > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 6 02:17:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C54663BFB8; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 02:17:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <218.ab3ce18.3075e34d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 22:17:49 EDT Subject: Re: why do we loop? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_218.ab3ce18.3075e34d_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 02:17:52 +0000 (UTC) --part1_218.ab3ce18.3075e34d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh well, here goes, I loop because it's what I do . . . and have done for twenty-something years= =20 now.=20 Force of habit. In the beginning it was because (like Michael Klobuchar said= )=20 nobody else would play with me. Actually, I was damn shy anyway and seldom asked=20 anyone=20 to play with me. I felt inept . . . I probably was (and still am to a large=20 degree) inept.=20 The difference is now that I am no longer so painfully shy (I got over it)=20 and I don't let=20 my ineptitude stop me anymore either. I never set out to be a "looper" per se. If I am one now I'm probably not a=20 very=20 good one. It's just one of the bits of technology I picked up along the way=20 to help me make music. It stuck . . . and now so am I. Like a ballet dancer who=20 practices=20 in front of a mirror, looping helped me improve as a musician in a lot of=20 ways. I am now even quite comfortable playing and NOT looping.=20 Now there's an idea, a festival for loopers to NOT loop at. Just play. I do=20= a=20 fair=20 "Leo Kottke" schtick when playing acoustic and "unlooped." I can't sing=20 though. That's another thing that drove me towards trying to acheive some sort of instrumental self-sufficency. I can't sing and play at the same time . . .=20 not=20 even the simplest campfire folksong. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn PS. Buy "Flux Aeterna" from CDBaby during the months of September and October and all of my portion of the profits will be automatically donated to the Red Cross by CDBaby specifically for Gulf Coast hurricane relief. "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_218.ab3ce18.3075e34d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh well, here goes,

I loop because it's what I do . . . and have done for twenty-something years= now.
Force of habit. In the beginning it was because (like Michael Klobuchar said= ) nobody
else would play with me. Actually, I was damn shy anyway and seldom asked an= yone
to play with me. I felt inept . . . I probably was (and still am to a large=20= degree) inept.
The difference is now that I am no longer so painfully shy (I got over it) a= nd I don't let
my ineptitude stop me anymore either.

I never set out to be a "looper" per se. If I am one now I'm probably not a=20= very
good one. It's just one of the bits of technology I picked up along the way=20= to help
me make music. It stuck . . . and now so am I. Like a ballet dancer who prac= tices
in front of a mirror, looping helped me improve as a musician in a lot of wa= ys.
I am now even quite comfortable playing and NOT looping.

Now there's an idea, a festival for loopers to NOT loop at. Just play. I do=20= a fair
"Leo Kottke" schtick when playing acoustic and "unlooped." I can't sing thou= gh.
That's another thing that drove me towards trying to acheive some sort of instrumental self-sufficency. I can't sing and play at the same time . . . n= ot
even the simplest campfire folksong.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

PS. Buy "Flux Aeterna" from CDBaby during the months of September
and October and all of my portion of the profits will be automatically
donated to the Red Cross by CDBaby specifically for Gulf Coast
hurricane relief.

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_218.ab3ce18.3075e34d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 6 02:20:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D84203BFB2; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 02:20:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ItuS6xhcMhWQLPAm0Z+R78onciJDVROYNFVN1/argA81hLwlHd7BjTv9lpRRHSLnwDz0ecgNAwVTAz7a2ETK1xS2TzgtfcM8Pr6hZIoc+QlRuWwA7UdTSfNqvR5o3igt3yBUtFOZcvcY+10yyQl9/Ib/QExpOoLTKX13OBJkXUs= ; Message-ID: <20051006022051.76931.qmail@web33406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 19:20:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Davenport Subject: Re: why do we loop? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051005234957.5315.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 02:20:52 +0000 (UTC) some might the challenge of material success in a material world worthy of performance endeavers... FRANK DAVENPORT --- mark sottilaro wrote: > Ah Morpheus, you ask an interesting question. I > counter your question with this: Why do we perform? > Are we looping only for some validation from others? > > If we are not percieved my others do we cease to > exist? > > This topic is near and dear to my heart, as I often > struggle with it. I've found a few things in my > day. > > I'm not a professional. That means the number of > times I play out per any given increment of time is > pretty low. Because I never quite get used to it > there's always a level of stress (non performance > related) that I hate. From the break down to the > set > up to the "ooops, there's not enough > light/monitor/something else/ on the stage..." if > there is a stage. Add that to performance related > stress (Am I going to fuck up? Is my gear going to > fuck up?) and you have a night of general malease at > the very best. Sure, a few moments of zen when > you're > groov'n and the audience is digg'n are nice, but man > there's a price to get that. > > In my studio I AM GOD. I control the audio, video, > light, temp. I can stop what I'm doing if I choose > to > and reconfigure my system at my leisure. I can > invite > a friend to jam with, or not. My system remains the > way it was when I last used it. Because of this I > can > get really intimate with it and get a lot out of it. > > To counter some of the live issues I've tried to > play > with a stripped down easy to set up and configure > system. Problem is it's not what I'm used to and > that > leads to issues. Bringing everything makes it nice > and familar... but makes set up an hour long affair > with many points where mistakes can happen. Nothing > like a gear failure to make a performance a > nightmare. > > Then there's this: Perhaps the audience is the > destroyer of art. When I'm home with only myself as > audience I can really be free to create something > that > I'm digging at the time. If it's a horrific noise > fest I don't have to worry about emptying the club > because people came to drink and pick up girls. I > don't have to answer questions like, "how much of > that > is prerecorded?" (answer: none) > > So I'll say (for now) that I feel the most real > loops > are the loops that exist alone in the woods. Even > turning on your recorder will change how you play > something... knowing an audience is in the future. > I > do find this a bit more agreeable to my way of > thinking and playing. That and I do not need > affirmation of my art to benifit from it. I loop > for > me. > > Mark > > --- Dennis Montgomery > wrote: > > > it...in other words, why do we loop? I guess this > > question applies to > > any type of artistic or creative activity that > > doesn't have public > > performance as it's primary purpose. It's like if > a > > loop is running in > > the forest and no one is there to hear it does it > > really make any sound? > > > > Dennis > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 6 03:57:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 070CB3BFD3; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 03:57:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20051005233547.01e90710@mail.wightman.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 23:57:12 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: why do we loop? In-Reply-To: <4343226D.5070100@speakeasy.net> References: <4343226D.5070100@speakeasy.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-42812C8E Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 03:57:17 +0000 (UTC) An interesting question......... I started looping for two reasons, 1st, because, as a solo performer I wanted a bigger sound, 2nd, I could imagine some real interesting possibilities with new directions that I could go with the music that I was writing. I've been looping for nearly 3 yrs now and am definitely hooked. It's opened up creative possibilities that have me staying up half the night playing music. I spent 10 yrs playing for a living, everything from busking, to concerts, to festivals, to malls. I got tired of the road, tired of having to play what people want to hear, ( as a hammered dulcimer performer, if I had to play Greensleeves one more time I'd have to kill someone!!!!!) So I went out and dusted off my plumbers licence and went back to the day job. Only now it, (the day job) didn't frustrate me because it gave me the freedom to play whatever I wanted and to turn down gigs that wouldn't give me the freedom to play what I wanted. I still do some gigs and have rediscovered the joy and excitement of sharing the music with an audience. Performing for me, is part of the process of creating, somehow the whole process doesn't feel complete without a listener. It doesn't matter if that's my wife listening in from the next room, a handful of people at a garden party or a thousand in a field at a major festival..... we're sharing a creative moment, it's a different sort of loop. Paul Haslem looping hammered dulcimer and guitar in Ontario, Canada At 08:46 PM 10/4/2005, you wrote: >I plan on coming to see some of the performances this weekend in Santa >Cruz (I live just over the hill in Santa Clara). I'm excited to be able >to see what others are doing with looping in person. After looking at the >list of performers and seeing many familiar names from this mailing list, >I got to wondering... > >Are there other people on this list besides myself into creating/playing >with loops who don't perform in public? If so, what do you get from >it...in other words, why do we loop? I guess this question applies to any >type of artistic or creative activity that doesn't have public performance >as it's primary purpose. It's like if a loop is running in the forest and >no one is there to hear it does it really make any sound? >Dennis > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 6 04:17:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF2783BFC4; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 04:17:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: why do we loop? Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 22:16:52 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0156B0CD@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: why do we loop? Thread-Index: AcXKD4iTCCieX/DuTxm5i3mgnM5DkAAAFvQA From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Oct 2005 04:16:53.0901 (UTC) FILETIME=[C85FA3D0:01C5CA2C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 04:17:11 +0000 (UTC) I loop because I am an only child, and really enjoy playing with myself. :) =20 Seriously though, I loop because: 1) The freedom and independence of not having to rely on anyone else to play a gig (back to that only child thing) 2) I don't have to lead a group, which I always end up doing and is very time consuming 3) I think looping technology is an ideal vehicle for solo or group improvisation 4) I love music technology 5) I can sound like many musicians playing at once, which I think is fascinating and fun to explain to the audience 6) Not everyone and their dog is looping 100% of the time during their acts (granted, many artists like Scofield use looping inside their songs or works, but I proud to say that all of my performances are 100% looping) 7) I enjoy it more than anything else I've done in my musical past (played in jazz combos, jazz fusion, country bands, world fusion, classic rock, progressive metal, etc) In fact, oddly enough, I usually get bored and switch to a new musical project or approach every year, yet I've been sticking with solo looping steadfast since late 2003. I must love it! Though I agree with Per's comments about looping in a duo context. That is fun too, especially with percussionists who have lots of toys. Kris ************************************************************************ **************** Krispen Hartung Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist=20 http://www.krispenhartung.com=20 info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 6 06:37:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96EE43BFD0; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:37:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=PvZJMFqTEjKmkYlZ5JkteS5A2KBaTZs/VQYEbCDgFxH0mVCF4LOhmTcmTMr3u/0WXTD3KLLTjnoE7wEf2bDVY2kLJx7I3nmwiuVm2sCTSktHR9J6xOlw3dHQ08P6PR6MlglNYhSZbz1G6lqKCHQpWdzCZGcUCGSt6jkZNTLGFXw= ; Message-ID: <004a01c5ca40$64e082c0$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <4343226D.5070100@speakeasy.net> <200510042105.07675.eutropic@mindspring.com> <64b81a780510050940o702cb6cfo42c2770a84a369b@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: why do we loop? Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 08:37:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <5zw0MB.A.RyH.gYMRDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 06:37:20 +0000 (UTC) Same here. I won't perhaps speak of meditation per se, but well as a way to evacuate the stress of the day. Just letting the stress go out via a guitar or a synth brings back calm and serenity. It's amazing to see how the first part is usually full of distorsion and noise effects while the end is more clean and harmonic. I'm looping also because I'm lazy and believe in the happy accident, I almost never save a preset on a synth or multiFx, I never record my experiments (this may change with mobius and the quick save button), I can play with the sound coming from the random button on some of my synths during several hours. Looping is also a way to make what I want when I want. It's less stress than reheasing in a band every day X at time Y. I can do noisy stuff if I want, experiment, stop, let the loop run till the next day and start again. That's freedom. Then you swith the looper off and it's gone. Looping is like life, past actions live on and on, sometime fading, but still giving you a direction to follow. Looping is like painting with colors. The 7 notes of the scale, the 7 colors of the raibow, the 7 chakras, all these are linked. Notes are given chakra colors. This bring us back to the meditation stuff. Speak about looping! I'm glad this subject came in. Some day my website (www.the-7-wandering-stars.be.tf) will be ready and I could stream or post stuff to an hypothetic audience. But in the meantime looping is mainly an egocentric thing. Sorry if my bad english makes me explaining stuff a bit laborious. Ben. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Pafford" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 6:40 PM Subject: Re: why do we loop? Looping as meditation describes me as well. I like to think it's similar to any contemplative art form. Take for example chinese caligrahpy. Is there an audience? Does the caligrapher judge the value of their art by the response of a bar or coffee house crowd? Of course not. Well, neither do I. Looping (or not, I also play unlooped classical guitar) exercises my mind and my spirit while entertaining me. If others like it, great, but I don't feel a need to seek an audience. Over the past couple of years, I've stopped even recording myself, preferring to let it go as part of the moment, hoping to find something new the next time I pick up the instrument. Todd On 10/5/05, eutropic@mindspring.com wrote: > I loop as a form of meditation, although that sounds so pretentious that I > now > regret writing it! Well you know, it is calming, centering, playful. It is > just what I do. > > I have a day gig that keeps me pretty busy, but other than short periods > of my > life, performing was not on my list of needs or wants. > > It's been a while since I was active in the looping community, but a new > Microsoft-free PC has got me reconnected to the list, and I'm planning on > being in Santa Cruz on Saturday too. > > Kamlapati > www.circleroundthesun.com ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 6 07:36:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5BC83BFD8; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:36:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=twI8ghVG9RIRZ6N/G2++STz5Vz9tbCCrmmGRdRx/ETziEU9t3RCiFujRPdnnL4BAaZIfrVPw1WNOJXbs7JBk4CQImemLioCWAp3/7bXDJfPSG46hguSCsNeZ//RTWSCDqQjBN+flSsfqIuvKTGrAWxpwRxDhAiO5e0zgGVYP6Q8= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 00:36:50 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: why do we loop? In-Reply-To: <218.ab3ce18.3075e34d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <218.ab3ce18.3075e34d@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 07:36:51 +0000 (UTC) Sounds like you do a dead-on Leo Kottke in that case... On 10/5/05, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Oh well, here goes, > > I do > a fair > "Leo Kottke" schtick when playing acoustic and "unlooped." I can't sing > though. > That's From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 6 10:36:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E39B3BFE2; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:36:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4344FF46.2000006@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 06:41:10 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AIMusic Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and the AM/FM Show - Mark Jenkins on Galactic Travels Tonight References: <20051006021412.57515.qmail@web33806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051006021412.57515.qmail@web33806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:36:10 +0000 (UTC) If you missed the electro-music streamed concert the other day, you can hear Mark Jenkins tonight on Galactic Travels at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4). Information follows... AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ================================================================================ Tonight on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long Special Focus on Remote Spaces. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Silos." The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Harmonia" by Harmonia on Brain Records and released in 1974. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#oct As a special treat, Mark Jenkins will play a live set on tonight's show. Mark is visiting from the UK to play several concerts, covering a variety of venues from radio programs, to internet streaming programs, to planetariums and music festivals. Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and on the internet. See below for URLs. THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ================================================================================ My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be this Saturday, October 8 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Cheers, Bill ========================================================================================================== Host of Afterglow every Thursday at 8:00 am EDT (GMT-4) on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM. Phase 1: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, New Age, or whatever strikes my fancy. Phase 2: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ========================================================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EDT (GMT-4) on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM. Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, New Age, or whatever strikes my fancy. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm ========================================================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville, and on 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml ========================================================================================================== Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm ========================================================================================================== Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm ========================================================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ========================================================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 6 11:49:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6C563BFE4; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 11:49:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <43450F36.00000E.04004@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 04:49:10 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_YTSXXFP0000000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <4343226D.5070100@speakeasy.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: why do we loop? X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 11:49:12 +0000 (UTC) --------------Boundary-00=_YTSXXFP0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I get the freedom and structure to compose sound as I hear it. It's a composition structure I have been seeking for a very long time. =0D =0D Sony =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Date: 10/04/05 17:48:26=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: why do we loop?=0D =0D I plan on coming to see some of the performances this weekend in Santa=0D Cruz (I live just over the hill in Santa Clara). I'm excited to be able=0D to see what others are doing with looping in person. After looking at=0D the list of performers and seeing many familiar names from this mailing=0D list, I got to wondering...=0D =0D Are there other people on this list besides myself into creating/playing=0D with loops who don't perform in public? If so, what do you get from=0D it...in other words, why do we loop? I guess this question applies to=0D any type of artistic or creative activity that doesn't have public=0D performance as it's primary purpose. It's like if a loop is running in=0D the forest and no one is there to hear it does it really make any sound?=0D =0D Dennis=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_YTSXXFP0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I get the freedom and structure to compose sound as I hear it. It's = a composition structure I have been seeking for a very long time.&nb= sp;
 
Sony 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 10/04/05 17:= 48:26
Subject: why do we= loop?
 
I plan on coming to see some of the performances this weekend in San= ta
Cruz (I live just over the hill in Santa Clara).  I'm exci= ted to be able
to see what others are doing with looping in person.  Afte= r looking at
the list of performers and seeing many familiar names from this mail= ing
list, I got to wondering...
 
Are there other people on this list besides myself into creating/pla= ying
with loops who don't perform in public?  If so, what do yo= u get from
it...in other words, why do we loop?  I guess this questio= n applies to
any type of artistic or creative activity that doesn't have public
performance as it's primary purpose.  It's like if a loop = is running in
the forest and no one is there to hear it does it really make any so= und?
 
Dennis
 
--------------Boundary-00=_YTSXXFP0000000000000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 6 13:32:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D8163BFE8; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 13:32:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <00de01c5ca7a$5ff5eae0$b89ffe91@inap> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: Subject: Audio up on website Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 14:05:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C5CA7E.F4E3FF80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <0qUHzC.A.Zz.LeSRDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 13:32:59 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C5CA7E.F4E3FF80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, in case you=B4re interested, there=B4s some audio up on my website www.parsick.com which was compiled from tracks of my new album which was performed on the CS80 for the biggest part. If you=B4re into Blade = Runner period Vangelis and like some of Lustmord=B4s more recent music, you = ought to give it a try. If you have any further questions, please ask. Looping content: Two maxxed-out EDPs running Loop III, a maxxed-out = Jamman, and a Repeater. Does the Roland RE-301 count, too 8-) ?=20 Due to the amount of data it may take a little longer until the audio = loop starts playing, hence please be patient 8-). Thanks for letting me waste bandwidth, best, Stephen. =20 "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith) "Hoellenengel", new album by Stephen Parsick. Street date: October 01, = 2005. Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com [WTB]: "England=B4s Hidden Reverse" by David Keenan (Coil, Current93, = Nurse With Wound, David Tibet). ------=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C5CA7E.F4E3FF80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,

in case you=B4re = interested, there=B4s=20 some audio up on my website
www.parsick.com which was compiled = from tracks=20 of my new album which was
performed on the CS80 for the biggest part. = If=20 you=B4re into Blade Runner
period Vangelis and like some of = Lustmord=B4s more=20 recent music, you ought to
give it a try. If you have any further = questions,=20 please ask.
 
Looping content: Two maxxed-out EDPs running Loop III, = a maxxed-out=20 Jamman, and a Repeater. Does the Roland RE-301 count, too 8-) ? =
Due to the amount of data it may take a little = longer=20 until the audio loop starts playing, hence please be patient=20 8-).

Thanks for letting me waste bandwidth,=20 best,

Stephen.
 
 
 
 
 
"Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this = planet,=20 you=B4re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith)
 
"Hoellenengel", new album by Stephen Parsick. = Street date:=20 October 01, 2005.
 
Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com
 

[WTB]: "England=B4s Hidden Reverse" by David = Keenan=20 (Coil, Current93, Nurse With Wound, David Tibet).
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C5CA7E.F4E3FF80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 6 17:23:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D66C3BFF6; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:23:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fVsj2rGQfaLXqdXpFrMwK0Qot1IZOZsZHZiznqIqQaK4lFDrX1mSf4n8JFOkbIlkMXSkFS4M/tvLhHr9/U0cKDMn76QZvJsi7vhjCRKCpy/CMW1wkwF1SKsMvZ6aYoU6R6b/fCfaD/T2HKbHiFivrJgYXhx+qaG9TSk8K4wAaYs= ; Message-ID: <20051006172310.23149.qmail@web50804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:23:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Janosik Subject: Re: why do we loop? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004a01c5ca40$64e082c0$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1454962312-1128619390=:22593" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <0HAa2C.A.XLH._1VRDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:23:12 +0000 (UTC) --0-1454962312-1128619390=:22593 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To make as many "beeps and boops" as I can to my heart's content. Ben wrote:Same here. I won't perhaps speak of meditation per se, but well as a way to evacuate the stress of the day. Just letting the stress go out via a guitar or a synth brings back calm and serenity. It's amazing to see how the first part is usually full of distorsion and noise effects while the end is more clean and harmonic. I'm looping also because I'm lazy and believe in the happy accident, I almost never save a preset on a synth or multiFx, I never record my experiments (this may change with mobius and the quick save button), I can play with the sound coming from the random button on some of my synths during several hours. Looping is also a way to make what I want when I want. It's less stress than reheasing in a band every day X at time Y. I can do noisy stuff if I want, experiment, stop, let the loop run till the next day and start again. That's freedom. Then you swith the looper off and it's gone. Looping is like life, past actions live on and on, sometime fading, but still giving you a direction to follow. Looping is like painting with colors. The 7 notes of the scale, the 7 colors of the raibow, the 7 chakras, all these are linked. Notes are given chakra colors. This bring us back to the meditation stuff. Speak about looping! I'm glad this subject came in. Some day my website (www.the-7-wandering-stars.be.tf) will be ready and I could stream or post stuff to an hypothetic audience. But in the meantime looping is mainly an egocentric thing. Sorry if my bad english makes me explaining stuff a bit laborious. Ben. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Pafford" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 6:40 PM Subject: Re: why do we loop? Looping as meditation describes me as well. I like to think it's similar to any contemplative art form. Take for example chinese caligrahpy. Is there an audience? Does the caligrapher judge the value of their art by the response of a bar or coffee house crowd? Of course not. Well, neither do I. Looping (or not, I also play unlooped classical guitar) exercises my mind and my spirit while entertaining me. If others like it, great, but I don't feel a need to seek an audience. Over the past couple of years, I've stopped even recording myself, preferring to let it go as part of the moment, hoping to find something new the next time I pick up the instrument. Todd On 10/5/05, eutropic@mindspring.com wrote: > I loop as a form of meditation, although that sounds so pretentious that I > now > regret writing it! Well you know, it is calming, centering, playful. It is > just what I do. > > I have a day gig that keeps me pretty busy, but other than short periods > of my > life, performing was not on my list of needs or wants. > > It's been a while since I was active in the looping community, but a new > Microsoft-free PC has got me reconnected to the list, and I'm planning on > being in Santa Cruz on Saturday too. > > Kamlapati > www.circleroundthesun.com ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! 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To make as many "beeps and boops" as I can to my heart's content.

Ben <benoitruelle@yahoo.fr> wrote:
Same here.
I won't perhaps speak of meditation per se, but well as a way to evacuate
the stress of the day.
Just letting the stress go out via a guitar or a synth brings back calm and
serenity.
It's amazing to see how the first part is usually full of distorsion and
noise effects while the end is more clean and harmonic.
I'm looping also because I'm lazy and believe in the happy accident, I
almost never save a preset on a synth or multiFx, I never record my
experiments (this may change with mobius and the quick save button), I can
play with the sound coming from the random button on some of my synths
during several hours.

Looping is also a way to make what I want when I want. It's less stress than
reheasing in a band every day X at time Y. I can do noisy stuff if I want,
experiment, stop, let the loop run till the next day and start again. That's
freedom.
Then you swith the looper off and it's gone. Looping is like life, past
actions live on and on, sometime fading, but still giving you a direction to
follow.

Looping is like painting with colors.
The 7 notes of the scale, the 7 colors of the raibow, the 7 chakras, all
these are linked. Notes are given chakra colors.
This bring us back to the meditation stuff. Speak about looping!

I'm glad this subject came in.

Some day my website (www.the-7-wandering-stars.be.tf) will be ready and I
could stream or post stuff to an hypothetic audience. But in the meantime
looping is mainly an egocentric thing.

Sorry if my bad english makes me explaining stuff a bit laborious.

Ben.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd Pafford"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: why do we loop?


Looping as meditation describes me as well. I like to think it's
similar to any contemplative art form. Take for example chinese
caligrahpy. Is there an audience? Does the caligrapher judge the
value of their art by the response of a bar or coffee house crowd? Of
course not. Well, neither do I. Looping (or not, I also play
unlooped classical guitar) exercises my mind and my spirit while
entertaining me. If others like it, great, but I don't feel a need to
seek an audience. Over the past couple of years, I've stopped even
recording myself, preferring to let it go as part of the moment,
hoping to find something new the next time I pick up the instrument.

Todd


On 10/5/05, eutropic@mindspring.com wrote:
> I loop as a form of meditation, although that sounds so pretentious that I
> now
> regret writing it! Well you know, it is calming, centering, playful. It is
> just what I do.
>
> I have a day gig that keeps me pretty busy, but other than short periods
> of my
> life, performing was not on my list of needs or wants.
>
> It's been a while since I was active in the looping community, but a new
> Microsoft-free PC has got me reconnected to the list, and I'm planning on
> being in Santa Cruz on Saturday too.
>
> Kamlapati
> www.circleroundthesun.com






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Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-1454962312-1128619390=:22593-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 6 19:07:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18F863BFF3; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 19:07:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:13:42 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: show: Laocoon and Clang Quartet, Friday, Raleigh NC Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 19:07:07 +0000 (UTC) (Playing a show tomorrow night, details below.) As part of the Raleigh First Friday artwalk/artcrawl, I will be performing solo instrumental loops/noise after, then with, Scotty Irving / Clang Quartet at Kirk Adam Gallery above Father & Son Antiques on Hargett St. Address: 107 W. Hargett Street, Raleigh, NC 27601. No cover charge. If you stop by, please say hello (or wave, if the volume's a bit up). Schedule: * 9pm: Scotty Irving performs as Clang Quartet. * 10pm: I perform as Laocoon. Given James Joyce's current ubiquity in my mindfield, I might go further off the deep end than usual and start ranting "Three quarks for Muster Mark!" over and over while sawing the upright bass in half with a chainsaw. * 11pm: Scotty and I collaborate. Venue: http://www.kirkadam.com/ Performers: Clang Quartet: The best description I've ever heard of his show is "Einsturzende Neubaten enacting the Passion of the Christ". http://www.silbermedia.com/clangquartet/ Laocoon: lost in the loops and strangled by the coils. Instrumental improvisational looping harsh drony ambient music. Chapman Stick, perhaps theremin, electric upright arachnobass. http://www.subscapeannex.com/laocoon/ thanks, Steve Burnett http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 6 21:07:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63E2F3BFFD; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 21:07:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=sdNrmV1DiGHN1V3DbOzn/MeT4Nxjd24nMTTqOhlQcw3lKdEYyw09Qo9CMh1MvmQLm4VFEHpDDQck4dk4d5zOYD9TW4FT6XgxdIF1LuS58VZeOYqVIEiXPi2fOom8DobsJA+K7owYcPYx3hVfHB605fMFwodYnFMa5rZRIavW6z8= ; Message-ID: <20051006210734.47374.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 14:07:34 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: why do we loop? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <218.ab3ce18.3075e34d@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 21:07:36 +0000 (UTC) As a fan I have to disagree. --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > I probably was > (and still am to a large > degree) inept. > The difference is now that I am no longer so > painfully shy (I got over it) > and I don't let > my ineptitude stop me anymore either. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 6 21:14:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3CBF3C006; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 21:14:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 16:13:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Audio up on website To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <21464636.1128633220507.JavaMail.root@vms061.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 21:14:36 +0000 (UTC) >From: Wavecomputer360 www.parsick.com stephen.....great sounding music!.....thanks.....:)m http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 6 21:54:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BFFF3C000; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 21:54:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: FS Boss VF1 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 14:54:18 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <6td-FD.A.kFG.I0ZRDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 21:54:16 +0000 (UTC) Tlak to Rick, he wants one but is broke, but has several things he could trade that are cool. Bill -----Original Message----- From: max valentino [mailto:ekstasis1@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 7:13 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: FS Boss VF1 Sorry to use up the bandwidth, especially since this post has very little looper-specific details. But.... I recently picked up a "new" Boss VF1 processor. Very nice, and yes, very cool, but not really what I need. Many of you fellow loopsters, and loop-mangling maniacs, have expressed interests and given high marks for this unit on other threads. I have this for sale. $200 (plus shipping...unless you wanted to pick it up at the Y2K5 Fest this weekend in Santa Cruz...I will be there.) Includes power supply and manual (of course). Barely used at all....I might get around to using it at some point, but now could use the funds to finance an EDP..... E-mail me off list if you are interested.... Thanks Max From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 7 00:15:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B6EF3C014; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 00:15:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 17:19:48 -0700 Subject: Digitech space Station F.S. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Scott Drengsen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <11CC1432-36C8-11DA-B5D0-00050263BC96@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 00:15:25 +0000 (UTC) I've got one of these I could bring to Y2K5 to sell (350.) or trade ??? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 7 02:24:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C810C3C01D; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 02:24:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 19:23:56 -0800 Subject: Re: Digitech space Station F.S. From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <11CC1432-36C8-11DA-B5D0-00050263BC96@earthlink.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3nNUKB.A.7_F.NxdRDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 02:24:13 +0000 (UTC) > I've got one of these I could bring to Y2K5 to sell (350.) or trade ??? > me and MK got one o' these(who else?) digitech "manglers"-mine bit the dust awile ago, but they are great for post loop manipulation if ya ask me... s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 7 02:26:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3ACAA3BED5; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 02:26:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20051006222349.040b4618@mail.wightman.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 22:26:29 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: why do we loop? In-Reply-To: <4343226D.5070100@speakeasy.net> References: <4343226D.5070100@speakeasy.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-43534D8E Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 02:26:35 +0000 (UTC) my wife made an interesting observation... She says that my language has changed over the last couple of years, I'm no longer talking about performing music, I talk about playing music.... it's not a job anymore, it's fun.. >Are there other people on this list besides myself into creating/playing >with loops who don't perform in public? If so, what do you get from >it...in other words, why do we loop? I guess this question applies to any >type of artistic or creative activity that doesn't have public performance >as it's primary purpose. It's like if a loop is running in the forest and >no one is there to hear it does it really make any sound? >Dennis > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 7 03:31:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BC6E3C027; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 03:31:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <62.5ebaaebf.30774619@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 23:31:37 EDT Subject: Re: Digitech space Station F.S. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_62.5ebaaebf.30774619_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: YES Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 03:31:47 +0000 (UTC) --part1_62.5ebaaebf.30774619_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/6/05 10:24:29 PM, stanitarium@earthlink.net writes: > but they are great for post loop manipulation if ya ask me... > s > and pre loop tambien senor stan in san fran.....:)m --part1_62.5ebaaebf.30774619_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 10/6/05 10:24:29 PM, stanitarium@earthlink.net writes:

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and pre loop tambien senor stan in san fran.....:)m --part1_62.5ebaaebf.30774619_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 7 06:59:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88FF83C027; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 06:59:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20051006233041.04034ef0@annihilist.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 23:59:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: OT: Daniel Pearl Music Days - Harmony for Humanity Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <81e08B.A._bE.MzhRDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 06:59:24 +0000 (UTC) Maybe a little OT, maybe not. Some of you may recognize the name Daniel Pearl. He was a reporter who was kidnapped and murdered by a terrorist organization in Pakistan in 2002. He also happened to be the brother of an acquaintance of mine. Daniel was also a passionate musician who used his music to connect with people across all cultures, wherever he went in the world. This week is Daniel Pearl Music Days, an event organized by the Daniel Pearl Foundation. You can participate. If you are doing any sort of musical performance this week all you have to do is dedicate your performance to tolerance and cross-cultural understanding. That's it. They will even help you promote your gig. You can learn all about it and register here: http://www.music-days.org/ thanks, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 7 08:59:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D9483C02D; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 08:59:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LszBvnBPtztn6jiNTe8Tg6Pm5T/KeNY/qsIXdudTwN28PsuLfbsCDcMuZIJvXnFxWBqDAsEdWmJoEBM3eJJY498Jy/Vj8m7hp0YH/Buw+gP9mMrwLUGb/MKgl5ofU8BQx21g3pQH20CGYWDiqI/ij8dAnyrWVCmXX2Mg6kMKf4Q= ; Message-ID: <20051007085859.76833.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 01:58:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: why do we loop?or why play live? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051006022051.76931.qmail@web33406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 08:59:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a very good topic,it is also the question why play live.The obvious answer would probably be recognition of our work,etc. but i agree on the stress factor Mark.Last night i played a rock gig and although it went quite well i felt sort of empty after the gig.I felt like this because i couldn´t get a good sound, the acoustic of the place was horrible and i was constantly turning down and turning up,and telling the bass player to turn it up because i couldn´t hear him.The monitor sounds also sucked and i could´t hear the harmonies coming out of the other guys and asking them why they werent singing although they said they were which brought a bit of tension.I am also audience sensitive because eventhough i think "fuck them we do our thing and if they don´t like it they should go home",they pay to see us and i have a guilty feeling of "delivering".Not to mention having to be there at 5 o´clock to do a sound check and going home at 2 in the morning and listening to drunks who want to keep talking to you(which i actually don´t mind as long as they don´t spit on your face).This are the factors that i was thinking of as i was driving home asking myself,why do i do this? last year there was another situation where i asked myself the same question,i did a loop show at an art gallery and as i was bulding up some guitar loops as i heard a guy commenting next to me "oh yeah,nice,sure but thats no art playing through prerecorded stuff" this agreviated me because i had already taken the time to explain the audience briefly what i was doing and that same guy was there! I´ve come to terms that this is all like a circus and that most audiences are a product of advertisement and what they have been told to listen to.Then again there is always somebody outhere listening who sort of knows what you are trying to do and the work involved and this is probably the only reason why i keep doing this... Luis > > > Ah Morpheus, you ask an interesting question. I > > counter your question with this: Why do we > perform? > > Are we looping only for some validation from > others? > > > > If we are not percieved my others do we cease to > > exist? > > > > This topic is near and dear to my heart, as I > often > > struggle with it. I've found a few things in my > > day. > > > > I'm not a professional. That means the number of > > times I play out per any given increment of time > is > > pretty low. Because I never quite get used to it > > there's always a level of stress (non performance > > related) that I hate. From the break down to the > > set > > up to the "ooops, there's not enough > > light/monitor/something else/ on the stage..." if > > there is a stage. Add that to performance related > > stress (Am I going to fuck up? Is my gear going > to > > fuck up?) and you have a night of general malease > at > > the very best. Sure, a few moments of zen when > > you're > > groov'n and the audience is digg'n are nice, but > man > > there's a price to get that. > > > > In my studio I AM GOD. I control the audio, > video, > > light, temp. I can stop what I'm doing if I > choose > > to > > and reconfigure my system at my leisure. I can > > invite > > a friend to jam with, or not. My system remains > the > > way it was when I last used it. Because of this I > > can > > get really intimate with it and get a lot out of > it. > > > > To counter some of the live issues I've tried to > > play > > with a stripped down easy to set up and configure > > system. Problem is it's not what I'm used to and > > that > > leads to issues. Bringing everything makes it > nice > > and familar... but makes set up an hour long > affair > > with many points where mistakes can happen. > Nothing > > like a gear failure to make a performance a > > nightmare. > > > > Then there's this: Perhaps the audience is the > > destroyer of art. When I'm home with only myself > as > > audience I can really be free to create something > > that > > I'm digging at the time. If it's a horrific noise > > fest I don't have to worry about emptying the club > > because people came to drink and pick up girls. I > > don't have to answer questions like, "how much of > > that > > is prerecorded?" (answer: none) > > > > So I'll say (for now) that I feel the most real > > loops > > are the loops that exist alone in the woods. Even > > turning on your recorder will change how you play > > something... knowing an audience is in the future. > > > I > > do find this a bit more agreeable to my way of > > thinking and playing. That and I do not need > > affirmation of my art to benifit from it. I loop > > for > > me. > > > > Mark > > > > --- Dennis Montgomery > > wrote: > > > > > it...in other words, why do we loop? I guess > this > > > question applies to > > > any type of artistic or creative activity that > > > doesn't have public > > > performance as it's primary purpose. It's like > if > > a > > > loop is running in > > > the forest and no one is there to hear it does > it > > > really make any sound? > > > > > > Dennis > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 7 09:27:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A11EA3C037; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:27:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000b01c5cb21$58efd880$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: 1st Y2k5 pictures and DAY ONE AND DAY TWO's concerts Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 02:27:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:27:28 +0000 (UTC) Hi everyone, Phil Zurrigo took a picture of the Loop Bus while Andy Butler, Bernhard Wagner and I taught a the Electronic Music History class at the University of California at Santa Cruz today. We cracked up when we saw it! We did a lecture demonstration on the history and technology of live looping. It was lot of fun! Later, Phil, Ryusei, Hideki and I drove to San Francisco where Phil, Hideki and I did mostly avante garde live looping performance at the Luggage Store. I played an improv set with Matt Davignon on drum machine (please go out and buy BWOO, it's a really unique and extremely creative CD) and the Hideki came and joined us playing the amazing 'daxaphone' which is an instrument that I saw him play in Kyoto at the looping festival there earlier this summer. He is an incredible craftsperson and has a factory that makes the beautiful electric mandolins that he plays in concert. This instrument is just a piece of then hardwood, carved like a dagger that has a pickup on it. You play it with a bow and 'fret' it with a wooden 'slide' that has frets on the bottom of it in a curved shape. In this way you can roll the 'slide' over the board and it tunes the wood as you bow it. It sounds uncannily human; almost like little boys and girls who are making nonsense sounds. It's extremely expressive and Hideki played it while I processed him in the EDP and the Repeater. I was so blown away when I saw it that I asked him if he'd consider making me one for me to buy. Well, he blew my mind when he got to our home in Santa Cruz and unvailed a beautiful one, replete with a piezo pickup and a stand and case. It was a present and I was floored. Consequently, it was wonderful for me to hear him play it tonight. He's really good on the thing. I know because I shedded it a little today and can hardly make any thing interseting come out of it. Afterwards, Phil Zurrigo did a really beautiful solo guitar/EDP concert. It was really challenging harmonically and rhythmically and there were some really beautiful moments in the piece. I especially loved a Cecil Taylor cover that he did for his finale. His use of the EDP is just seemless and his guitar technique is really wonderful too. I am usually very concious about what techniques a looper is uses and tonight I just didn't notice what he was doing. It was that accomplished and flawless and musical. I was really impressed I have to say. He seemed to bring a lot of joy to the music which is not usually an emotion that I associate with rather free jazz influenced music. At one point he was dancing in 19/8 as he played. It was pretty magical. ********************************* This was day two of the Looping Fest. Yesterday, Ryusei, Hideki, Bernhard, Andy, Bill and Dan Soltzberg performed at the Henry Miller Gallery in Big Sur. I was teaching a master class in rhythm at the Kuumbwa Jazz center and wasn't able to attend so we'll have to wait for a report about that gig from one of them. I wanted to thank Bill (my brother) for completely running the Big Sur gig for me this year. It was great to add Big Sur to the Y2K5 festival this year. The Henry Miller Gallery may be the most beautiful place I"ve ever played and the curator, Magnus Toren, is a wonderful man who really supports art. He was one of the first people who believe in us enough to let us have one of the first live looping festivals there several years ago. Well, It's off to San Francisco again tomorrw where Ryusei, Hideki, Andy and Bernhard will play at Javacat Coffee and the, bright an early, the main festival starts on Saturday morning. I'll try to send pictures to this URL while we keep going: www.looppool.info/Y2K5/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 7 09:57:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 419903C049; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:57:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00d801c5cb25$92cec4e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Does the RE 301 count as a looper? Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 02:57:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 09:57:43 +0000 (UTC) stephen wrote: "Looping content: Two maxxed-out EDPs running Loop III, a maxxed-out Jamman, and a Repeater. Does the Roland RE-301 count, too 8-) ? " Of course it counts, if you disengage the erase head so that the things you record stay on there, stephen. That was my first use of looping technology back in 1982 although I didn't loop again until 1995 when the Jamman came out. My next looping technology were those cool endless cassette tapes that TDK use to market in the 70's for cheesy answering machines. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 7 14:19:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 141863C01F; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:19:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <88.30c4973c.3077ddd6@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:19:02 EDT Subject: Re: Digitech space Station F.S. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_88.30c4973c.3077ddd6_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: YES Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:19:08 +0000 (UTC) --part1_88.30c4973c.3077ddd6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah the ol' XP-300 . . . I've got one too that I never use. It was busted when I got it on eBay.=20 But it was cheap. I sent it in and got it fixed by Digitech -- also cheap. It now would be gathering dust except it's in the original (now dusty) box.=20 I find I make more interesting sounds with other stuff and in other ways. It does make a few good (and fairly unique) noises though, I'll warrant.=20 However, it's just one more little box to tote along and plug into and=20 adjust and tweeze and worry about breaking with my big size 14 feet. If somebody is intersted in it, make an offer and I'll bring it to SantaCruz this weekend. Otherwise, it seems happy enough where it is. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn PS. Buy "Flux Aeterna" from CDBaby during the months of September and October and all of my portion of the profits will be automatically donated to the Red Cross by CDBaby specifically for Gulf Coast hurricane relief. "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_88.30c4973c.3077ddd6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah the ol' XP-300 . . .

I've got one too that I never use. It was busted when I got it on eBay.

But it was cheap. I sent it in and got it fixed by Digitech -- also cheap.
It now would be gathering dust except it's in the original (now dusty) box.=20=

I find I make more interesting sounds with other stuff and in other ways.
It does make a few good (and fairly unique) noises though, I'll warrant.
However, it's just one more little box to tote along and plug into and
adjust and tweeze and worry about breaking with my big size 14 feet.

If somebody is intersted in it, make an offer and I'll bring it to SantaCruz=
this weekend. Otherwise, it seems happy enough where it is.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

PS. Buy "Flux Aeterna" from CDBaby during the months of September
and October and all of my portion of the profits will be automatically
donated to the Red Cross by CDBaby specifically for Gulf Coast
hurricane relief.

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_88.30c4973c.3077ddd6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 7 15:01:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F5273C01E; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 15:01:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=N+eETHmSMsgWwY1iPQxIna8yDPfI44yd57AV6qPkX8pxpzfzAzg87KsDgnXFX0MCXtHa8eBYSD9x7MtUbzgLckj86tyNeojCd68s49tFDwkiuujMlAP2cqIp5UZzDd2k4JdOe0GKZF1k6jmbOlR3HLt7G2AJWtCuKymDh8JxsS4= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 08:01:53 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 1st Y2k5 pictures and DAY ONE AND DAY TWO's concerts In-Reply-To: <000b01c5cb21$58efd880$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000b01c5cb21$58efd880$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 15:01:54 +0000 (UTC) The daxaphone is *bizarre* sounding instrument. To hear more, check out Hans Reichel's catalog, or there's one track of it on that "Whirlyphones..." CD that came with the book. He's also got pictures of his beautiful and bizarre many daxes on his website. Great stuff! TravisH On 10/7/05, loop.pool wrote: > I played an improv set with Matt Davignon on drum machine (please go out = and > buy BWOO, it's a really unique > and extremely creative CD) and the Hideki came and joined us playing the > amazing > 'daxaphone' which is an instrument that I saw him play in Kyoto at the > looping festival there earlier this summer. > > He is an incredible craftsperson and has a factory that makes the beautif= ul > electric mandolins that he plays in concert. > This instrument is just a piece of then hardwood, carved like a dagger th= at > has a pickup on it. > You play it with a bow and 'fret' it with a wooden 'slide' that has frets= on > the bottom of it in a curved shape. > In this way you can roll the 'slide' over the board and it tunes the wood= as > you bow it. > > It sounds uncannily human; almost like little boys and girls who are mak= ing > nonsense sounds. It's extremely expressive and > Hideki played it while I processed him in the EDP and the Repeater. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 7 15:19:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 452653C02B; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 15:19:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Hans Reichel (was RE: 1st Y2k5 pictures and DAY ONE AND DAY TWO's concerts) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 11:16:39 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Hans Reichel (was RE: 1st Y2k5 pictures and DAY ONE AND DAY TWO's concerts) Thread-Index: AcXLT6HH68ma4eYvTX2loTOAuekyVAAAW1PA From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Oct 2005 15:16:39.0857 (UTC) FILETIME=[1DDAEA10:01C5CB52] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 15:19:48 +0000 (UTC) Glad to see someone else picking up the daxophone. Travis doesn't mention that Hans R. invented it. You won't find it played on all of Reichel's recordings, though. For those unfamiliar with Reichel, he was one of the pioneers of many extended guitar techniques, and is an astonishing and VERY out there improviser mostly shorn of the jazz vocabulary (if he ever had any). I particularly love his early recordings such as the acoustic "Death of the Rare Bird Ymir". Later work incorporates an increasing array of pedals and delays and verges on looping at times. For many in the US at least Reichel was introduced on the original "Guitar Solos" compilations put together by Fred Frith. Hal Dean=20 -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 11:02 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 1st Y2k5 pictures and DAY ONE AND DAY TWO's concerts The daxaphone is *bizarre* sounding instrument. To hear more, check out Hans Reichel's catalog, or there's one track of it on that "Whirlyphones..." CD that came with the book. He's also got pictures of his beautiful and bizarre many daxes on his website. Great stuff! TravisH On 10/7/05, loop.pool wrote: > I played an improv set with Matt Davignon on drum machine (please go=20 > out and buy BWOO, it's a really unique and extremely creative CD) and > the Hideki came and joined us playing the amazing > 'daxaphone' which is an instrument that I saw him play in Kyoto at the > looping festival there earlier this summer. > > He is an incredible craftsperson and has a factory that makes the=20 > beautiful electric mandolins that he plays in concert. This instrument > is just a piece of then hardwood, carved like a dagger that has a=20 > pickup on it. You play it with a bow and 'fret' it with a wooden=20 > 'slide' that has frets on the bottom of it in a curved shape. > In this way you can roll the 'slide' over the board and it tunes the wood as > you bow it. > > It sounds uncannily human; almost like little boys and girls who are=20 > making nonsense sounds. It's extremely expressive and Hideki played=20 > it while I processed him in the EDP and the Repeater. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 7 15:50:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 563013C039; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 15:50:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20051007085859.76833.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051007085859.76833.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 08:46:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: why do we loop?or why play live? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 15:50:49 +0000 (UTC) At 1:58 AM -0700 10/7/05, Luis Angulo wrote: >i did a loop show at an art >gallery and as i was bulding up some guitar loops as i >heard a guy commenting next to me "oh yeah,nice,sure >but thats no art playing through prerecorded stuff" >this agreviated me because i had already taken the >time to explain the audience briefly what i was doing >and that same guy was there! Ack! That is annoying. But I think there's always going to be some wiseass who thinks he's being fooled. In my experience, most people are surprised and delighted when they figure out that it's one guy playing four or five guitars at a time. Whenever I have an opportunity to explain what's going on, I make a very careful point of saying it's all done in real time. Looping isn't the center of what I do. I'm a songwriter who uses looping to enhance his performance. I almost always begin with a loop improvisation, starting with a simple chord pattern or single-note line, but it fairly quickly leads into a song. I use the loop device to capture the changes so I can play a solo later - that kind of thing. There's always gonna be someone who dismissed this stuff as gimmickry. There's always gonna be some condescending (and ill-informed) asshole in the crowd. Screw 'em. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 7 18:10:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6DA33C040; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:10:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00d701c5cb6a$58db0dd0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Reply-To: "Krispen Hartung" From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <20051007085859.76833.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: why do we loop?or why play live? Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:10:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 181, in=446, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:10:12 +0000 (UTC) This is why I created a 1 sheet pamplet on "What is Real-Time Looping" which I stack on a counter in the venue..and tell folks they can take one to understand what I am doing. I break down looping into a simple analogy involving several tape recorders and their tape cut and merged into a loop to build a series of audio loops, etc, etc. I provide pictures of my EDPs, the foot controller, etc...and then describe my version of free improv in this context. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Gans" To: Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 9:46 AM Subject: Re: why do we loop?or why play live? > At 1:58 AM -0700 10/7/05, Luis Angulo wrote: > > >i did a loop show at an art > >gallery and as i was bulding up some guitar loops as i > >heard a guy commenting next to me "oh yeah,nice,sure > >but thats no art playing through prerecorded stuff" > >this agreviated me because i had already taken the > >time to explain the audience briefly what i was doing > >and that same guy was there! > > Ack! That is annoying. But I think there's always going to be some > wiseass who thinks he's being fooled. > > In my experience, most people are surprised and delighted when they > figure out that it's one guy playing four or five guitars at a time. > > Whenever I have an opportunity to explain what's going on, I make a > very careful point of saying it's all done in real time. > > Looping isn't the center of what I do. I'm a songwriter who uses > looping to enhance his performance. I almost always begin with a > loop improvisation, starting with a simple chord pattern or > single-note line, but it fairly quickly leads into a song. I use the > loop device to capture the changes so I can play a solo later - that > kind of thing. > > There's always gonna be someone who dismissed this stuff as > gimmickry. There's always gonna be some condescending (and > ill-informed) asshole in the crowd. Screw 'em. > > > > > > -- > > David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com > Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 7 18:53:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E21F3C02D; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:53:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4346C3CB.8080905@speakeasy.net> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 11:51:55 -0700 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: why do we loop? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 18:53:47 +0000 (UTC) First off, thanks to all who've been responding to my question. It's something I've struggled with for many years. The times I've performed in public have been nerve wracking to say the least. It's taken me a long time to figure out why...I've come to the conclusion that it's because I want the audience to hear what I hear in my head. To feel the swoops and crashes that the music brings me. To communicate what I see in it so they can see it too. I always feel that if it doesn't come off "just right" they won't hear it. Inevitably, something goes wrong at the "big musical moment" and the whole exercise seems a horrible failure. That's pretty much why I stopped doing public performances back in '89. Now I just record my own stuff for me and give away CD's to family & friends. Usually that's enough but there's sometimes that nagging feeling of 'Is there anybody out there?' Dennis aka Morpheus aka Mutiny in Jonestown >> Ah Morpheus, you ask an interesting question. I counter your question with this: Why do we perform? Are we looping only for some validation from others? If we are not percieved my others do we cease to exist? This topic is near and dear to my heart, as I often struggle with it. I've found a few things in my day. >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 7 19:56:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E0733BFF2; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 19:56:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Greg Powers" To: Subject: Abelton Live Q: controlling GPO volumes Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 12:56:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C5CB3E.9518F9A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcXLeT2r22Mc29C9R66lyGP55PGa5w== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Message-Id: <20051007195648.09A863BFE4@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 19:56:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C5CB3E.9518F9A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm having trouble controlling the volume when I use a Garritan GPO instrument in a midi track in Live. I'm setting up multiple GPO tracks with different instruments. Sometimes they work fine, other times the volume seems fine when I play the keys in the Kontact player window, but back in Live the darned volume is turned down. I know that sometimes the volume is set with the mod wheel. I can get some improvement using the MOD wheel in Live, but even with the wheel fully extended, the volume is still way low. I should mention that the MOD wheel on the PCR-M30 is SPRING LOADED, so that's totally frustrating. One other question: is there a way to take advantage of the ability of one Kontact player to support multiple instruments on different midi channels? I think I was able to do that in Logic. Any guidance much appreciated! ...................... greg powers egpowers@pacbell.net 831-438-5536, 331-8232 (cell) ...................... ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C5CB3E.9518F9A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm having trouble controlling the volume when I use a Garritan GPO = instrument in a midi track in Live.

 

I'm setting up multiple GPO tracks with different instruments. Sometimes = they work fine, other times the volume seems fine when I play the keys in the = Kontact player window, but back in Live the darned volume is turned down. =

 

 I know that sometimes the volume is set with the mod wheel. I can get some improvement using the MOD wheel in Live, but  even with the wheel = fully extended, the volume is still way low. I should mention that the MOD = wheel on the PCR-M30 is SPRING LOADED, so that's totally frustrating. =

 

One other question: is there a way to take advantage of the ability of one Kontact = player to support multiple instruments on different midi channels? I think I = was able to do that in Logic.

 

Any guidance much appreciated!

 

 

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greg = powers           egpowers@pacbell.net
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------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C5CB3E.9518F9A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 7 20:03:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 788C93C022; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:03:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1KG9zIWoSD0Q6Kso/6SMRaTjjJ3iStjXdP0eu1WzGJf8pxAdDwZMR6yE0k/ZNqlvak5zfPpbwdLBeUpDk+h9mgZU5JtMat3TzrTf7GVyoBwPGVDwqWcp0gHILpsUd8gx9JhOQrwxQ2530kJwItzJDI6CDQbPPjeNqnTUcbfxtGA= ; Message-ID: <20051007200254.76234.qmail@web81301.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 13:02:54 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: why do we loop? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4346C3CB.8080905@speakeasy.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:03:02 +0000 (UTC) --- Dennis Montgomery wrote: > Usually that's enough but there's sometimes that nagging feeling of > 'Is there anybody out there?' Do it for yourself. You're worth it. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 7 20:12:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42FC53C01B; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:12:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:12:53 -0600 Message-Id: <200510072012.j97KCrm07045@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: why do we loop? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.19.192 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:12:53 +0000 (UTC) > --- Dennis Montgomery wrote: > > Usually that's enough but there's sometimes that > nagging feeling of > > 'Is there anybody out there?' As someone who has never gigged out at all I may be in a strange position to comment on this, but I do find myself drawn to the idea of playing live. I keep asking myself why I'd want to put myself through the hassles (and I get really tense about performing in public, be it teaching or anything at all where I am the focus of attention). The answer that keeps coming back is just that I'd like to see how the music changes when I have even more attention and energy available. I play a completely improvised thing that can range over a whole lot of ground pretty quickly and have found that it is very personal and sometimes transformative (even if just from agitated to calm or something more profound). I feel this music largely comes through me and is not really 'mine' in that I have very little idea what's coming next or how its going to sound until its happening. As a result, I've always felt that if I could maintain my openess to that state (as well as my composure and ability to play under scrutiny) with an audience present, there would be much more energy to work with and the people listening would have a direct impact on what came through and I find myself wondering how that would sound. Of course this hasn't been enough of a lure to get me on a stage anywhere, but I do wonder about the energy that an audience could bring to the sound. Kevin How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 7 20:26:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC7F73C017; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:26:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VvCx/+pyu68+Fs9GOMmNtRPGO9OYFbIcmt36jmUWZn+FfptXItRJB8XdLZuJ8sHGiS1dUm5bKSb+sHeHDBihbZu7p+aVE1Y0z4C/dPMB6he0x2m8t2D1FWPVO/zAIKYZ3+Mp7s/C7AJ5G0WM00BxCxRUDQnEBRbdfx0fK365NPU= ; Message-ID: <20051007202618.45932.qmail@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 13:26:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Digitech space Station F.S. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <62.5ebaaebf.30774619@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5oK0e.A.C9F.rntRDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:26:19 +0000 (UTC) Hey, taking this OT even more in that direction, does anyone have any additional info on the mod we've discussed wherein several chips (eproms was it?) from the XP series can be installed in one pedal housing? (Or reprogramming, or whatever it was...) I have an XP100 and an XP300, but only use a few patches from each; it'd be great to get them to share a footprint... -t- > In a message dated 10/6/05 10:24:29 PM, > stanitarium@earthlink.net writes: > > > but they are great for post loop manipulation if > ya ask me... __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 7 22:18:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EC573BFF0; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 22:18:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 00:18:37 +0200 From: "Torstein H. Rem" Subject: Re: Digitech space Station F.S. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000401c5cb8d$105af1b0$0300000a@remwavesnet> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20051007202618.45932.qmail@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 22:18:37 +0000 (UTC) This has been discussed on the Guitargeek forum (se thread below). I know Maneco (hhttp://manecolooper.tripod.com) has done some XP series eprom mixing. >From the Guitargeek thread, first post; "Hello Geeks, Digitech XP MODS for XP100, XP200 & XP400 pedals I'm FINALLY set up to do Digitech XP pedal conversions! The new XP1000 MOD takes your existing XP pedal and enables it to switch between ALL four XP Modules. This means you will have the XP100 Whammy Wah, XP200 Modulator, XP300 Space Station AND XP400 Reverberator all in one pedal. This MOD is very labor intensive and requires quite a few very hard-to-find vintage components. That said, the results and the access to all these sounds is staggering. The current price for the XP1000 MOD is $165 with return US 48 shipping included. Shipping will be slightly extra for other locations. Digitech XP Pedal Conversions - NEW!!! XP1000 MOD - This modification enables any XP pedal to switch between all four XP modules. This means you will have the XP100 Whammy, XP200 Modulator, XP300 Space Station and XP400 Reverberator all in ONE Pedal! - Price: $165 (includes return USA 48 shipping) Premodded XP1000s for sale: -> xp100 whammy/wah modded to xp100, xp200, xp300 AND xp400 specs! - $250 shipped -> xp200 modulator modded to xp100, xp200, xp300 AND xp400 specs! - $250 shipped -> xp300 space station modded to xp100, xp200, xp300 AND xp400 specs! - $450 shipped -> xp400 reverberator modded to xp100, xp200, xp300 AND xp400 specs! - $250 shipped -> payment: paypal or usps money order - pm me" Please PM or email me at guitargeek@guitargeek.com for the details. Adam http://guitargeek.com/chat/showthread.php?s=05d594f1b7a5c3e978df6b65406b985f&threadid=58360&perpage=15&pagenumber=1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 10:26 PM Subject: Re: Digitech space Station F.S. > Hey, taking this OT even more in that direction, does > anyone have any additional info on the mod we've > discussed wherein several chips (eproms was it?) from > the XP series can be installed in one pedal housing? > (Or reprogramming, or whatever it was...) I have an > XP100 and an XP300, but only use a few patches from > each; it'd be great to get them to share a > footprint... > > -t- > >> In a message dated 10/6/05 10:24:29 PM, >> stanitarium@earthlink.net writes: >> >> > but they are great for post loop manipulation if >> ya ask me... > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 7 22:33:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1BF23BFFB; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 22:33:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=i9pmeZQu3+c/7X1en8veQY0+CHJVlw9F5s9wlJ3QwSHoC9N+7XtrzxSLPJU4UWsxUvI/56u5ECSO/pcNC//Yf9IUm92oaBEZMUDDTWewe6qUltO1mYPaZMyhNKy5ux/nRZ5jncSg9GpRDloHS9v8xrXAkmN3/FMQRC4fxAoO2vA= ; Message-ID: <20051007223343.27834.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 15:33:43 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: why do we loop? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200510072012.j97KCrm07045@minds-eye.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 22:33:44 +0000 (UTC) --- Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: >The answer that keeps coming back is just that I'd like to see how the >music changes when I have even more attention and energy available. I find that often just the opposite is the case. I have more attention going to how my set up is different (truncated compared to my home setup) and how the audience is reacting. Last time I played out we did a big jam thing at the end and my girlfriend said, "you played really well but at the end you were totally overpowering everyone else. I had no idea as there wasn't a monitor pointed at or anywhere near me. Really, the best musical experiences I've ever had were when playing (with or without loops) in a controlled environment like my studio or a practice space. I'd love to find a situation like that again but I can't seem to find anyone in the SF area who'd be up for it. All the energy of an "audience" PLUS the beauty of an improv partner with none of the hassles of schlepping gear. Mark __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 7 23:19:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CAD23BFED; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 23:19:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 17:19:11 -0600 Message-Id: <200510072319.j97NJBk06534@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: why do we loop? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.19.192 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 23:19:07 +0000 (UTC) > --- Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > > >The answer that keeps coming back is just that I'd > like to see how the >music changes when I have even > more attention and energy available. > > I find that often just the opposite is the case. I > have more attention going to how my set up is > different (truncated compared to my home setup) and > how the audience is reacting. Last time I played out > we did a big jam thing at the end and my girlfriend > said, "you played really well but at the end you were > totally overpowering everyone else. I had no idea as > there wasn't a monitor pointed at or anywhere near me. > > Really, the best musical experiences I've ever had > were when playing (with or without loops) in a > controlled environment like my studio or a practice > space. I'd love to find a situation like that again > but I can't seem to find anyone in the SF area who'd > be up for it. All the energy of an "audience" PLUS > the beauty of an improv partner with none of the > hassles of schlepping gear. Yeah, I can see that and that thought is probably what keeps me from actually trying to play out at all. I suppose the best would be to have a studio in a place big enough to have people over who like to hang out and hear strange live music being created. Kevin How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 7 23:26:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B6FB3BFF7; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 23:26:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=g+o3w7XlOi8pL0YeNnLM0viReCv0T8gsQ9cVqaHvDl+Wfa/Wtll2Zj5Levgd+EHvasucq/UKkyW0N+tlCQQShISe4mhb911AGT/sR1e9f99E0j4ccTXa6tapuJf5kDe7GJjUdrXF4KfamxpbjNU1aTaogdDtjezxy8hr8PsZMrE= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 16:26:08 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: why do we loop? In-Reply-To: <200510072319.j97NJBk06534@minds-eye.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <200510072319.j97NJBk06534@minds-eye.org> Resent-Message-ID: <-UsTyB.A.S4B.RQwRDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 23:26:10 +0000 (UTC) Sounds like you're talking about a looping house concert. TravisH On 10/7/05, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > I suppose the best would be to have a studio in a place big enough to > have people over who like to hang out and hear strange live music being > created. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 8 01:43:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B01E63BFD4; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 01:43:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ChHD7FAz/I/XtAA2b/GoFBmgtDKMMkdcFEHz0SoTyFaUY4QZj79/2EvAYIf2NJxu; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22005106814753200@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech space Station F.S. Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 21:47:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940f7fd5b26f5aa87009f110bee3d56ca49350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.91.162.45 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 01:43:17 +0000 (UTC) If I ever get a steady job, this could be just the thing for my Reverberator! ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Torstein H. Rem > To: > Date: 10/7/2005 6:18:38 PM > Subject: Re: Digitech space Station F.S. > > This has been discussed on the Guitargeek forum (se thread below). > I know Maneco (hhttp://manecolooper.tripod.com) has done some > XP series eprom mixing. > > From the Guitargeek thread, first post; > > "Hello Geeks, > Digitech XP MODS for XP100, XP200 & XP400 pedals > > I'm FINALLY set up to do Digitech XP pedal conversions! > The new XP1000 MOD takes your existing XP pedal and enables it to switch > between ALL four XP Modules. This means you will have the XP100 Whammy Wah, > XP200 Modulator, XP300 Space Station AND XP400 Reverberator all in one > pedal. > > This MOD is very labor intensive and requires quite a few very hard-to-find > vintage components. That said, the results and the access to all these > sounds is staggering. > > The current price for the XP1000 MOD is $165 with return US 48 shipping > included. Shipping will be slightly extra for other locations. > > Digitech XP Pedal Conversions - > NEW!!! XP1000 MOD - This modification enables any XP pedal to switch between > all four XP modules. This means you will have the XP100 Whammy, XP200 > Modulator, XP300 Space Station and XP400 Reverberator all in ONE Pedal! - > Price: $165 (includes return USA 48 shipping) > > Premodded XP1000s for sale: > -> xp100 whammy/wah modded to xp100, xp200, xp300 AND xp400 specs! - $250 > shipped > -> xp200 modulator modded to xp100, xp200, xp300 AND xp400 specs! - $250 > shipped > -> xp300 space station modded to xp100, xp200, xp300 AND xp400 specs! - $450 > shipped > -> xp400 reverberator modded to xp100, xp200, xp300 AND xp400 specs! - $250 > shipped > -> payment: paypal or usps money order - pm me" > > Please PM or email me at guitargeek@guitargeek.com for the details. > Adam > http://guitargeek.com/chat/showthread.php?s=05d594f1b7a5c3e978df6b65406b985f &threadid=58360&perpage=15&pagenumber=1 > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Nelson" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 10:26 PM > Subject: Re: Digitech space Station F.S. > > > > Hey, taking this OT even more in that direction, does > > anyone have any additional info on the mod we've > > discussed wherein several chips (eproms was it?) from > > the XP series can be installed in one pedal housing? > > (Or reprogramming, or whatever it was...) I have an > > XP100 and an XP300, but only use a few patches from > > each; it'd be great to get them to share a > > footprint... > > > > -t- > > > >> In a message dated 10/6/05 10:24:29 PM, > >> stanitarium@earthlink.net writes: > >> > >> > but they are great for post loop manipulation if > >> ya ask me... > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 8 06:21:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FC553BFD3; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 06:21:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BCsr4k5SefPFuwOyG5Tn2ba7q8QSV6Ao2aeGdFe9Yrx9iP2K5kGfDaUNktMB0VrIiV2u2ABwVRGQ1sui5i+mh8ZtzZNrkA36Jg+bPrVpSbWwkqWPMo14jiJxTwWLa5PyFukx5t60ZoJws3fgeZoL6MZ1QR62JnmynkxtP2YWopY= ; Message-ID: <20051008062125.22710.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 23:21:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: why do we loop?or why play live? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 06:21:27 +0000 (UTC) Yes i must admit that ive also had very positive responses as well and people complimenting and showing curiosity.The funny thing is that at loop shows is mostly females who´ve come up to me and said nice things...i always thought looping was more of a boy with repeating toyz thing...;-) Luis --- David Gans wrote: > At 1:58 AM -0700 10/7/05, Luis Angulo wrote: > > >i did a loop show at an art > >gallery and as i was bulding up some guitar loops > as i > >heard a guy commenting next to me "oh > yeah,nice,sure > >but thats no art playing through prerecorded stuff" > >this agreviated me because i had already taken the > >time to explain the audience briefly what i was > doing > >and that same guy was there! > > Ack! That is annoying. But I think there's always > going to be some > wiseass who thinks he's being fooled. > > In my experience, most people are surprised and > delighted when they > figure out that it's one guy playing four or five > guitars at a time. > > Whenever I have an opportunity to explain what's > going on, I make a > very careful point of saying it's all done in real > time. > > Looping isn't the center of what I do. I'm a > songwriter who uses > looping to enhance his performance. I almost always > begin with a > loop improvisation, starting with a simple chord > pattern or > single-note line, but it fairly quickly leads into a > song. I use the > loop device to capture the changes so I can play a > solo later - that > kind of thing. > > There's always gonna be someone who dismissed this > stuff as > gimmickry. There's always gonna be some > condescending (and > ill-informed) asshole in the crowd. Screw 'em. > > > > > > -- > > David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com > Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, > Oakland CA 94610-2730 > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 8 08:27:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 385E53BFD8; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 08:27:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <20051008062125.22710.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051008062125.22710.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: why do we loop?or why play live? Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 10:27:29 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 08:27:34 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 8, 2005, at 8:21, Luis Angulo wrote: > Yes i must admit that ive also had very positive > responses as well and people complimenting and showing > curiosity.The funny thing is that at loop shows is > mostly females who=B4ve come up to me and said nice > things...i always thought looping was more of a boy > with repeating toyz thing...;-) > Luis That's a very interesting thing to say! To keep my post short, it =20 hints at two things that seems to play a major role in how music is =20 created and appreciated among humans: 1) Women tend to be more open to subtle expression in art (not only =20 in music). 2) Men tend to have a view more influenced by expression of ego =20 (others or ones own ego). So I guess you should take this "female fan base" at your gigs as a =20 complement! I'm basing this on the presumption that true art has to =20 rely on a strong female vibe, meaning "being reflective, quick and =20 balanced". A funny observation on these different attitudes among men and women =20 is that women who liked your gig might say "I like your music", while =20= men often say "impressing performance". And finally: some men like to play live because they like women, but =20 that's a different story. Ouch... can't stop writing - I just =20 realized that this, the paradox in men, is what makes some male art =20 so interesting! The brutal macho act of showing off ones ego in =20 combination with the most fragile actual outlet. It's bizarre in all =20 it's beauty, like a tyrannosaurus balancing on one huge monster toe =20 while folding perfect origami with its tiny claws. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 8 12:52:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E085A3BFD8; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 12:52:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4347C2FA.4000101@tiscali.it> Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 15:00:42 +0200 From: FZ User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: why do we loop?or why play live? References: <20051008062125.22710.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051008062125.22710.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Scanned: with antispam and antivirus automated system at libero.it Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 12:52:33 +0000 (UTC) Luis Angulo wrote: >Yes i must admit that ive also had very positive >responses as well and people complimenting and showing >curiosity.The funny thing is that at loop shows is >mostly females who´ve come up to me and said nice >things...i always thought looping was more of a boy >with repeating toyz thing...;-) >Luis > > > There's a Fripp interview at http://et.stok.co.uk/articles/163-25.html during his Frippertronics tour era where he touches briefly on the 'subject' :) --- RG: Do you feel that what you're doing now is rock 'n' roll? RF: Some of it is finding that. Rock 'n' roll is characterized by an energy which works from below the navel. Some Frippertronics has that. Funny enough, it's generally only the women that recognize it. 'Cause it's not often crass and straightforeward. (RF makes loud drunken animal noises) RG: More sensual? RF: Well, it varies, doesn't it? But the point is that generally men come up and say, "What a remarkably good idea that was, stacking those fourths one on top of the other. Oh, remarkable. Remarkable parallell modulation there. Yes, very good, very good." Women come up and sort of, "Hmmm! Yes!" (warmly). I've had more propositions from Frippertronics in three months, two months in America, than I had in six years of rock 'n' roll with Crimson. Yeah, really astounding. RG: So how does that affect you? How do you respond? RF: Oh, generally go home and go to bed and pack my suitcase to be getting up and in a fit state to go on the road the next day. That's what I generally do. I see to business. --- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 8 17:14:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 898313BF9F; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 17:14:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007c01c5cc2b$acc0be60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: 1st Y2k5 pictures and DAY ONE AND DAY TWO's concerts Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 10:14:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <81mdM.A.ktH.a5_RDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 17:14:02 +0000 (UTC) Travis wrote: "The daxaphone is *bizarre* sounding instrument. " Man, you guys should have heard Hideki play it last night in San Francisco. It was just amazingly evocative and not bizarre sounding at all. He really has it down. Last night's concert was as good a musical experience as could be expected. I have no time to write about it because we have had a forced venue change (see details at www.loopfestival.com/y2k5/) and the big festival begins in less than two hours and I have a million preparatory things to do but Lx Rudis (who helped so much with our booking in San Francisco along with Matt Davignon) came up to me with a beatific smile........hugged me and profusely thanked me for bringing such an incredible musical experience to his ears. Every artists (Ryusei, Hideki, Bernhard and Andy) all had great sets and each musician (who i"ve heard before in concert) all surprised me with new things. More in a couple of days when I have the time. Wish us luck if you aren't here and enjoy if you are. Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 8 17:52:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64EF13BFC0; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 17:52:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Kris Hartung To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: I need someone to test my Y2K5 Stream Reply-To: khartung@cableone.net Content-Type: text/html; X-Origin: 68.127.153.150 Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 11:06:22 -0700 Message-ID: <1128794782_82353@S4.cableone.net> X-SpamDetect: *: 1.772000 Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 340, in=92224, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.1.5 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <2FZ_9.A.M1.TdASDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 17:52:19 +0000 (UTC)

Can someone go to the URL below, click listen, and tell me whether you hear this canned music from my PC? I am testing the stream here at Santa Cruz.

http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (click on "Listen")

Thanks

Kris


From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 8 18:09:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1974B3BFCA; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 18:09:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43480B4D.3020908@biink.com> Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 14:09:17 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: khartung@cableone.net, loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I need someone to test my Y2K5 Stream References: <1128794782_82353@S4.cableone.net> In-Reply-To: <1128794782_82353@S4.cableone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 18:09:15 +0000 (UTC) Kris Hartung wrote: > Can someone go to the URL below, click listen, and tell me whether you > hear this canned music from my PC? I am testing the stream here at > Santa Cruz. > > *http://216.12.162.58:9030/** (click on "Listen") > > Thanks > > Kris > * > > I can hear it. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 8 18:16:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86B763BFF3; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 18:16:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43480D06.8090708@biink.com> Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 14:16:38 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: khartung@cableone.net, loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I need someone to test my Y2K5 Stream References: <1128794782_82353@S4.cableone.net> <43480B4D.3020908@biink.com> In-Reply-To: <43480B4D.3020908@biink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 18:16:35 +0000 (UTC) David Beardsley wrote: > Kris Hartung wrote: > >> Can someone go to the URL below, click listen, and tell me whether >> you hear this canned music from my PC? I am testing the stream here >> at Santa Cruz. >> >> *http://216.12.162.58:9030/** (click on "Listen") >> >> Thanks >> >> Kris >> * >> >> > I can hear it. > I hear a very nice Jazz trio, but not any looping? -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 8 18:20:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDFF03BFF7; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 18:20:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Kris Hartung To: khartung@cableone.net, loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, David Beardsley Subject: Re: I need someone to test my Y2K5 Stream Reply-To: khartung@cableone.net Content-Type: text/html; X-Origin: 68.127.153.150 Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 11:34:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1128796474_82825@S4.cableone.net> X-SpamDetect: **: 2.972000 Suspicious tags-to-text ratio=1.2,Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 340, in=92228, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.1.5 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 18:20:31 +0000 (UTC)

Cool. Thanks. The live performance don't start until 12pm Pacific Time...about 40 min.

Kris





On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 14:16 , David Beardsley <db@biink.com> sent:

David Beardsley wrote:

> Kris Hartung wrote:
>
>> Can someone go to the URL below, click listen, and tell me whether
>> you hear this canned music from my PC? I am testing the stream here
>> at Santa Cruz.
>>
>> *http://216.12.162.58:9030/** (click on "Listen")
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Kris
>> *
>>
>>
> I can hear it.
>
I hear a very nice Jazz trio, but not any looping?

--

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 8 18:31:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C77AB3C00C; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 18:31:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4348107D.7000509@biink.com> Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 14:31:25 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: khartung@cableone.net, loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I need someone to test my Y2K5 Stream References: <1128796474_82825@S4.cableone.net> In-Reply-To: <1128796474_82825@S4.cableone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1G4AvB.A.s_B.6BBSDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 18:31:22 +0000 (UTC) Kris Hartung wrote: > Cool. Thanks. The live performance don't start until 12pm Pacific > Time...about 40 min. > Ah! I get it. I'll be listening. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 8 19:04:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23D1C3BFF8; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 19:04:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Kris Hartung To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, David Beardsley Subject: Y2K5 Stream - First Performer On Now! Reply-To: khartung@cableone.net Content-Type: text/html; X-Origin: 68.127.153.150 Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 12:04:25 -0700 Message-ID: <1128798265_1979@S1.cableone.net> X-SpamDetect: **: 2.972000 Suspicious tags-to-text ratio=1.2,Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 344, in=93971, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.1.5 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 19:04:28 +0000 (UTC)
Okay folks, we're up and running. The first performer will be streaming here in about 5 min.

http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (click listen)

Kris


From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 8 19:10:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CD893C00E; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 19:10:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4348199F.2080609@biink.com> Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 15:10:23 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: khartung@cableone.net, loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K5 Stream - First Performer On Now! References: <1128798265_1979@S1.cableone.net> In-Reply-To: <1128798265_1979@S1.cableone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 19:10:22 +0000 (UTC) Kris Hartung wrote: > Okay folks, we're up and running. The first performer will be > streaming here in about 5 min. > > That hum sounds cool, but the "hello, hello" bit has been done before. ;) -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 8 19:13:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 168B63C015; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 19:13:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43481A63.2020903@biink.com> Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 15:13:39 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: db@biink.com, khartung@cableone.net, loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K5 Stream - First Performer On Now! References: <1128798265_1979@S1.cableone.net> <4348199F.2080609@biink.com> In-Reply-To: <4348199F.2080609@biink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 19:13:35 +0000 (UTC) David Beardsley wrote: > Kris Hartung wrote: > >> Okay folks, we're up and running. The first performer will be >> streaming here in about 5 min. >> >> > That hum sounds cool, but the "hello, hello" bit has been done before. ;) Oh! It's a sound check... :) -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 8 19:18:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 300023C00B; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 19:18:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43481B6C.5000102@biink.com> Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 15:18:04 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: db@biink.com, khartung@cableone.net, loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K5 Stream - First Performer On Now! References: <1128798265_1979@S1.cableone.net> <4348199F.2080609@biink.com> <43481A63.2020903@biink.com> In-Reply-To: <43481A63.2020903@biink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 19:18:01 +0000 (UTC) I hear ya Rick. 3:17 edst And we're off! -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 8 19:39:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 161E23C01D; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 19:39:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Kris Hartung To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Y2K5 Performer Info / Stream URL Reply-To: khartung@cableone.net Content-Type: text/html; X-Origin: 68.127.153.150 Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 12:47:40 -0700 Message-ID: <1128800860_82492@S3.cableone.net> X-SpamDetect: **: 2.972000 Suspicious tags-to-text ratio=1.2,Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 344, in=91361, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.1.5 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 19:39:44 +0000 (UTC)
For those of you who missed it, here is the Stream URL:

http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (click listen)


The lineup below. We are running a bit behind schedule, though. This is Greg Powers.

Kris


 

SATURDAY,OCTOBER 9th

1 = stage right as you enter the venue  2 = stage left    underlined = headlining artist     (f) = featured artist       (n) = festival newbie

12:00 Greg Powers (N) -1

12:30 Papa Dave -2

1:00 Trey Donovan -1

1:30 Craig McCollough -2

2:00 StanOOOsaur -1

2:30 Kevin Kmetz -2

3:00 Scott Drengsen -1

3:30 Diana Thompson -2

4:00 Dark Numbers -1

4:30 Matt Davignon -2

5:00 Atomic Moebius Machine -1

5:30 Adrian West -2

6:00 Lumper/Splitter -1

 

6:30 DINNER

 

8:00 Santa Cruz Mayor, Mike Rotkin  presents Keys to the City to Headliners:   

Ryusei Hattori (Jp),  Hideki 'Mando Man' Nakanishi and Bernhard Wagner (Ch) 

                                                                    then presents "International Live Looping Day" proclamations to Roberto Zorzi (It), Phil "Zurigo" Zuercher (Ch), Andy Butler (Uk), Bernhard Wagner (Ch), Ryusei Hattori (Jp), Hideki Nakanishi (Jp),  festival organizer Rick Walker (Us)

8:00 RYUSEI HATTORI -1      note: due to Mayorial presentation: Sunday evening shows may run 5-10 minutes late)

8:00 Max Valentino -2

9:00 Andy Butler-1 (f)

9:30 Dan Soltzberg -2

10:00 R.Walker/J.Wagner/B.Beede-1

10:30 James Sidlo -2

11:00 Roberto Zorzi - 1 (f)

11:30 (reserved for last minute changes)


From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 8 19:52:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC13A3C00D; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 19:52:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Y2K5 Performer Info / Stream URL Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 21:53:20 +0200 Message-ID: <000501c5cc41$ef2be8e0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C5CC52.B2B4B8E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <1128800860_82492@S3.cableone.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 19:52:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C5CC52.B2B4B8E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Kris, I even managed to setup my Quintessential Player to record the stream. Now on to the next problem: What will I do with a webradio show later this evening (n.b.: it's about 10pm here) ;-). =20 Everything is playing fine here - especially the hum... =20 Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Gesendet: Samstag, 8. Oktober 2005 21:48 An: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Y2K5 Performer Info / Stream URL For those of you who missed it, here is the Stream URL: http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (click listen) The lineup below. We are running a bit behind schedule, though. This is Greg Powers. Kris =20 SATURDAY,OCTOBER 9th 1 =3D stage right as you enter the venue 2 =3D stage left underlined = =3D headlining artist (f) =3D featured artist (n) =3D festival = newbie 12:00 Greg Powers (N) -1 12:30 Papa Dave -2 1:00 Trey Donovan -1 1:30 Craig McCollough -2=20 2:00 StanOOOsaur -1=20 2:30 Kevin Kmetz -2=20 3:00 Scott Drengsen -1 3:30 Diana Thompson -2=20 4:00 Dark Numbers -1=20 4:30 Matt Davignon -2=20 5:00 Atomic Moebius Machine -1 5:30 Adrian West -2=20 6:00 Lumper/Splitter -1 =20 6:30 DINNER =20 8:00 Santa Cruz Mayor, Mike Rotkin presents Keys to the City to Headliners: =20 Ryusei Hattori (Jp), Hideki 'Mando Man' Nakanishi and Bernhard Wagner (Ch)=20 then presents "International Live Looping Day" proclamations to Roberto Zorzi (It), Phil "Zurigo" Zuercher (Ch), Andy Butler (Uk), Bernhard Wagner (Ch), Ryusei Hattori (Jp), Hideki Nakanishi (Jp), festival organizer Rick Walker (Us) 8:00 RYUSEI HATTORI -1 note: due to Mayorial presentation: Sunday evening shows may run 5-10 minutes late) 8:00 Max Valentino -2 9:00 Andy Butler-1 (f) 9:30 Dan Soltzberg -2 10:00 R.Walker/J.Wagner/B.Beede-1 10:30 James Sidlo -2=20 11:00 Roberto Zorzi - 1 (f) 11:30 (reserved for last minute changes) ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C5CC52.B2B4B8E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nachricht
Thanks=20 Kris, I even managed to setup my Quintessential Player to record the = stream. Now=20 on to the next problem: What will I do with a webradio show later this = evening=20 (n.b.: it's about 10pm here) ;-).
 
Everything is playing fine here - especially = the=20 hum...
 
       =20 Rainer
-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Kris = Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Gesendet: Samstag, 8. = Oktober 2005=20 21:48
An: = loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff:=20 Y2K5 Performer Info / Stream URL


For those of = you who=20 missed it, here is the Stream URL:

http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (= click=20 listen)


The lineup below. We are running a bit behind=20 schedule, though. This is Greg = Powers.

Kris


 =20

SATURDAY,OCTOBER 9th

1 =3D stage right as you enter = the=20 venue  2 =3D stage = left    underlined =3D headlining artist    =  (f) =3D featured=20 artist       (n) =3D festival newbie

12:00 Greg Powers (N) = -1

12:30 Papa Dave -2

1:00 Trey Donovan = -1

1:30 Craig McCollough -2 =

2:00 StanOOOsaur -1

2:30 = Kevin Kmetz -2

3:00 Scott Drengsen -1

3:30 Diana Thompson -2=20

4:00 Dark Numbers -1=20

4:30 = Matt Davignon -2

5:00 Atomic Moebius Machine=20 -1

5:30 Adrian West -2=20

6:00 Lumper/Splitter -1

 

6:30 DINNER

 

8:00 Santa=20 Cruz Mayor, Mike Rotkin  = presents=20 Keys to the City to=20 Headliners:   

Ryusei Hattori (Jp),  = Hideki=20 'Mando Man' Nakanishi and Bernhard Wagner=20 (Ch) 

          &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;       =20 then presents = "International=20 Live Looping Day" proclamations to Roberto=20 Zorzi (It), Phil "Zurigo" Zuercher (Ch),=20 Andy Butler (Uk), Bernhard Wagner = (Ch),=20 Ryusei Hattori (Jp), Hideki = Nakanishi=20 (Jp),  festival organizer Rick Walker = (Us)

8:00 RYUSEI HATTORI=20 -1      note: due to Mayorial = presentation: Sunday=20 evening shows may run 5-10 minutes = late)

8:00 Max Valentino = -2

9:00 Andy Butler-1 = (f)

9:30 Dan Soltzberg = -2

10:00 R.Walker/J.Wagner/B.Beede-1

10:30 James Sidlo -2=20

11:00 Roberto Zorzi - 1 = (f)

11:30 (reserved for last minute=20 changes)


------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C5CC52.B2B4B8E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 8 19:52:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AFB63C022; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 19:52:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Kris Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Y2K5 Stream, Logistics, and Schedule Update Reply-To: khartung@cableone.net Content-Type: text/html; X-Origin: 68.127.153.150 Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 12:56:07 -0700 Message-ID: <1128801367_66620@S2.cableone.net> X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.572000 High tags-to-text ratio=1.8,Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 7, in=2260, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.1.5 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 19:52:56 +0000 (UTC)

Streaming URL: http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen")

Availability: The performance will be limited to 30 listening seats, so it is a first come first serve basis (if you can't get in, keep trying in case someone drops out)

System Requirements

Users can listen to SHOUTcast on a variety of platforms and players (e.g. Windows Media Player, MusicMatch, etc). Recommended players are as follows:

New Schedule:

12:00 Greg Powers (N) -1

12:30 Open

1:00 Open

1:30 Trey Donovan -2

2:00 StanOOOsaur -1

2:30 Herb Heinz/Tim Thompson -2

3:00 Scott Drengsen -1

3:30 Pushing Air -2

4:00 Dark Numbers -1

4:30 Matt Davignon -2

5:00 Atomic Moebius Machine -1

5:30 Adrian West -2

6:00 ghost 7 -1

6:30 - 7:30 DINNER

7:30 James Sidlo -2

8:00 RYUSEI HATTORI -1

8:30 Ted Killian -2

9:00 R.Walker/J.Wagner/B.Beede -1

9:30 Andy Butler - 2   (f)





On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 15:37 , David Beardsley <db@biink.com> sent:
Adrian West wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
> I'd like to join in the fun but I tried that link and I get a
> ShoutCast DNAS status but no sound - what am I doing wrong?
>
My RealAudio pops up and music starts playing. If you're using RA,
does it work the rest of the time? Do you have the latest version?

--

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 8 20:05:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F6873C037; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 20:05:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Kris Hartung To: Subject: Y2K5 - Photo URL Reply-To: khartung@cableone.net Content-Type: text/html; X-Origin: 68.127.153.150 Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 13:08:41 -0700 Message-ID: <1128802121_66835@S2.cableone.net> X-SpamDetect: *: 1.200000 Suspicious tags-to-text ratio=1.2 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 7, in=2262, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.1.5 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <3Hs-lD.A.fxE.KaCSDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 20:05:30 +0000 (UTC)
Y2K5 photos are now available at:

http://grubmah.com/y2k5

These will get updated as the day goes forward.

Mark Hamburg (borrowing an e-mail account)

From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 8 20:13:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD9393C030; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 20:13:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Kris Hartung To: , Subject: Re: Y2K5 - Photo URL Reply-To: khartung@cableone.net Content-Type: text/html; X-Origin: 68.127.153.150 Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 13:21:32 -0700 Message-ID: <1128802892_82931@S3.cableone.net> X-SpamDetect: *: 1.200000 Suspicious tags-to-text ratio=1.2 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 344, in=91362, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.1.5 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 20:13:35 +0000 (UTC) We'll get back to you on this...the server is not showing the pictures yet.

Kris




On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 13:08 , Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> sent:
Y2K5 photos are now available at:

http://grubmah.com/y2k5

These will get updated as the day goes forward.

Mark Hamburg (borrowing an e-mail account)


From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 8 20:38:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F2103C039; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 20:38:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JJHFItgYrY+88no7d3zTH3VKdXYzfQMymCqwJaT72G+CQsdF0ZdvSAHTsCpRm7PZ5tLHwLwIr9D9vbYh0OqXmMbfcXOQZCK0RYQ38CGxrkhWXEyBQYUZr558FJp1Mgqj/0r84a+TssacQOOfl8l/hGGAImgu2AGygxICTaudCEY= ; Message-ID: <20051008203827.88460.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 13:38:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: why do we loop?or why play live? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 20:38:28 +0000 (UTC) Yes ,very well put Per! cheers Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > On Oct 8, 2005, at 8:21, Luis Angulo wrote: > > > Yes i must admit that ive also had very positive > > responses as well and people complimenting and > showing > > curiosity.The funny thing is that at loop shows is > > mostly females who´ve come up to me and said nice > > things...i always thought looping was more of a > boy > > with repeating toyz thing...;-) > > Luis > > > That's a very interesting thing to say! To keep my > post short, it > hints at two things that seems to play a major role > in how music is > created and appreciated among humans: > > 1) Women tend to be more open to subtle expression > in art (not only > in music). > 2) Men tend to have a view more influenced by > expression of ego > (others or ones own ego). > > So I guess you should take this "female fan base" at > your gigs as a > complement! I'm basing this on the presumption that > true art has to > rely on a strong female vibe, meaning "being > reflective, quick and > balanced". > > A funny observation on these different attitudes > among men and women > is that women who liked your gig might say "I like > your music", while > men often say "impressing performance". > > And finally: some men like to play live because they > like women, but > that's a different story. Ouch... can't stop writing > - I just > realized that this, the paradox in men, is what > makes some male art > so interesting! The brutal macho act of showing off > ones ego in > combination with the most fragile actual outlet. > It's bizarre in all > it's beauty, like a tyrannosaurus balancing on one > huge monster toe > while folding perfect origami with its tiny claws. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 8 21:31:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B44623BF66; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 21:31:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Kris Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Y2K5 - Real-Time Feedback Instructions Reply-To: khartung@cableone.net Content-Type: text/html; X-Origin: 68.127.153.150 Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 14:45:06 -0700 Message-ID: <1128807906_85061@S4.cableone.net> X-SpamDetect: *: 1.200000 Suspicious tags-to-text ratio=1.2 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 340, in=92249, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.1.5 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 21:31:00 +0000 (UTC)
Hello All -

If you don't feel comfortable posting your feedback on these performance to the group, feel free to use instant messenger, and I'll it up and running here for folks to view.

Cheers,

Kris


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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 8 22:21:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D70033C02C; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 22:21:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4348465A.20204@biink.com> Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 18:21:14 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Scott Drengsen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 22:21:09 +0000 (UTC) I'm really enjoying his set right now. I love fretless bass, I should play mine more often. I hope this stuff is going be archived somewhere. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 8 22:23:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50AC03C034; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 22:23:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: AW: Scott Drengsen Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 00:25:11 +0200 Message-ID: <001201c5cc57$25dbccb0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <4348465A.20204@biink.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 22:23:53 +0000 (UTC) Me too...if nobody else does, I'm at least trying to capture the stream on disk (did miss the first part of the first performance and also the beginning of the set after the hum-pause). Just now, I notice that it takes either perfect pitch or a lot of audacity to play intricate harmonic arrangements on a fretless looping ;-) -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: David Beardsley [mailto:db@biink.com]=20 Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. Oktober 2005 00:21 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Scott Drengsen I'm really enjoying his set right now. I love fretless bass, I should=20 play mine more often. I hope this stuff is going be archived somewhere. --=20 * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 8 22:28:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D965C3C03E; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 22:28:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43484806.7010707@biink.com> Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 18:28:22 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Scott Drengsen References: <001201c5cc57$25dbccb0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> In-Reply-To: <001201c5cc57$25dbccb0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 22:28:17 +0000 (UTC) Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >Me too...if nobody else does, I'm at least trying to capture the stream >on disk (did miss the first part of the first performance and also the >beginning of the set after the hum-pause). > >Just now, I notice that it takes either perfect pitch or a lot of >audacity to play intricate harmonic arrangements on a fretless looping >;-) > It helps to play over a drone. ;-) -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 8 22:29:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D12433C04A; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 22:29:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43484968.7050400@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 18:34:16 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Galactic Travels Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup , WDIY Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #446 for October 6, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 22:29:31 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/051006.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #446 October 6, 2005 RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on Remote Spaces. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Silos." The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "musik von Hamonia" by Harmonia on Brain Records and released in 1974. I took advantage of Mark Jenkins' visit to the US and asked him to play a live concert on Galactic Travels. Remote Spaces - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#oct PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Harmonia Sehr Kosmisch Harmonia (Brain) Mark Jenkins Lux Aeterna Moog Meditations (AMP) Mark Jenkins Hearts of Celtia In-studio Concert & Interview Mark Jenkins Endless Space Moog Meditations (AMP) Mark Jenkins If the World Were Turned In-studio Concert & Interview On Its Head, We Would Walk Among the Stars Mark Jenkins Zen Garden Moog Meditations (AMP) Mark Jenkins Hearts of Celtia Moog Meditations (AMP) Mark Jenkins Supernova In-studio Concert & Interview 12:00 am Remote Spaces Infrared Part 1 Silos (none) Remote Spaces Infrared Part 2 Silos (none) Remote Spaces Arpematik Part 1 Silos (none) Remote Spaces Arpematik Part 2 Silos (none) Remote Spaces Silos Silos (none) Remote Spaces Dawn in Rainy Season Silos (none) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Remote Spaces. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "elektronicznie." The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Stuntman" by Edgar Froese on Virgin Records and released in 1979. Bill =============================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4:00 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Service Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 8 23:13:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADB823C03D; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 23:13:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <434853B3.1090403@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 19:18:11 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for October 8, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 23:13:21 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2005/051008.html I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #74 October 24, 2005. During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== VA [Tangerine Dream] World of the Day Edition #4 Sampler (Groove) VA [Retrowave Project] Voodooking Edition #4 Sampler (Groove) VA [RMI] Nucleotide Doversities Edition #4 Sampler (Groove) VA [Amin Bathia] Hostility: Intruder Edition #4 Sampler (Groove) Alert / The Attack Team Metlay Prolog: Gloria Speaks Beneath Stars (Atomic City) Team Metlay RSL Beneath Stars (Atomic City) Team Metlay Fritz Ascending Beneath Stars (Atomic City) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== Karen Marie Garrett Tip-toe Dancer Allure of Sanctuary (Waterstreet) Mingo Between the Wave The Once and Future World (Helmet Room) Harp 46 Slane Passage (none) VA [Barriere featuring Sonhando Ipanema Chill Lounge (Intentcity) Themis] Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== Michael Manring I Left America Soliloquy (Manthing) Parallel Mind Beginning's End Colossus ADEA (InsideOut) Spock's Beard Harm's Way Gluttons for Punishment (InsideOut) Spock's Beard NWC GFP (InsideOut) Kenso Good Days Bad Days Chillimg Heat (Pathograph) * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show on October 8. On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Bill ========================================================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EDT (GMT-4:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm ========================================================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ========================================================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 9 00:17:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EE1B3C047; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 00:17:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43486181.5090503@biink.com> Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 20:17:05 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K5 Stream, Logistics, and Schedule Update References: <1128801367_66620@S2.cableone.net> In-Reply-To: <1128801367_66620@S2.cableone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 00:17:01 +0000 (UTC) Kris Hartung wrote: > * > * > > 5:00 *Atomic Moebius Machine -1* > We're rockin' now. Three people in this band (or so I hear). -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 9 01:01:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 683903C04D; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 01:01:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43486BEE.1090404@biink.com> Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 21:01:34 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: khartung@cableone.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K5 Stream, Logistics, and Schedule Update References: <1128801367_66620@S2.cableone.net> In-Reply-To: <1128801367_66620@S2.cableone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6h3-3B.A.4CE.pvGSDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 01:01:29 +0000 (UTC) Adrian West - I really dug that first song and the whole set too. I've got to go folks, it was a great afternoon! -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 9 17:19:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 084CA3BFB6; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 17:19:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Kris Hartung To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details Reply-To: khartung@cableone.net Content-Type: text/html; X-Origin: 68.127.153.150 Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 10:23:15 -0700 Message-ID: <1128878595_75144@S2.cableone.net> X-SpamDetect: **: 2.972000 Suspicious tags-to-text ratio=1.2,Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 8, in=2409, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.1.5 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 17:19:49 +0000 (UTC) Hello all -

Today the streaming URL for the Y2K5 performances is the same as yesterday. Details below.  Please also visit the Y2K5 website for the performance schedule.

http://www.loopfestival.com/y2k5


Streaming Details:

Live Broadcast Link via SHOUTcast: http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen")

The broadcast stream is limited to 30 listening seats, so it is a first come first serve basis (if you can't get in, keep trying in case someone drops out)

System Requirements
Users can listen to SHOUTcast on a variety of platforms and players (e.g. Windows Media Player, MusicMatch, etc). Recommended players are as follows:

Real-Time Feedback on the Performance
To provide real-time feedback on the performances, you may send instant messages using the Yahoo, MSN, AOL, or ICQ instant messengers, sent to the following user names / IDs:

    • Yahoo Messenger: kris_hartung
    • MSN Messenger: kris.hartung@hp.com
    • AOL Messenger (AIM): krispenhartung
    • ICQ: 272583693


From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 9 19:15:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68A7C3BF84; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 19:15:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006f01c5cd05$cc267490$1802000a@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <1128878595_75144@S2.cableone.net> Subject: Re: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 13:15:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006C_01C5CCD3.810A2A60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.272000 Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3,Some tags-to-text=0.5 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 346, in=153489, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 19:15:27 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C5CCD3.810A2A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We are on in 15 min with Ute Bonn. The server is now up and running. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 11:23 AM Subject: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details Hello all - Today the streaming URL for the Y2K5 performances is the same as = yesterday. Details below. Please also visit the Y2K5 website for the = performance schedule. http://www.loopfestival.com/y2k5 Streaming Details: Live Broadcast Link via SHOUTcast: http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click = on "Listen") The broadcast stream is limited to 30 listening seats, so it is a = first come first serve basis (if you can't get in, keep trying in case = someone drops out)=20 System Requirements=20 Users can listen to SHOUTcast on a variety of platforms and players = (e.g. Windows Media Player, MusicMatch, etc). Recommended players are as = follows:=20 a.. Windows users should use Winamp = =20 b.. Mac users should use Audion = =20 c.. Linux/X Windows users should use XMMS =20 Real-Time Feedback on the Performance To provide real-time feedback on the performances, you may send = instant messages using the Yahoo, MSN, AOL, or ICQ instant messengers, = sent to the following user names / IDs: a.. Yahoo Messenger: kris_hartung=20 b.. MSN Messenger: kris.hartung@hp.com=20 c.. AOL Messenger (AIM): krispenhartung=20 d.. ICQ: 272583693=20 ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C5CCD3.810A2A60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
We are on in 15 min with Ute Bonn. The = server is=20 now up and running.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
To: loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 = 11:23=20 AM
Subject: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming = Details

Hello all -

Today the streaming URL for the Y2K5 = performances is the same as yesterday. Details below.  Please = also visit=20 the Y2K5 website for the performance schedule.

http://www.loopfestival.com/y2k= 5


Streaming=20 Details:

Live = Broadcast Link via=20 SHOUTcast: http://216.12.162.58:9030/=20 (Click on "Listen")

The = broadcast stream=20 is limited to 30 listening seats, so it is a first come first serve = basis (if=20 you can't get in, keep trying in case someone drops out)=20

System Requirements
Users = can listen to=20 SHOUTcast on a variety of platforms and players (e.g. Windows Media = Player,=20 MusicMatch, etc). Recommended players are as follows:

    • Windows users should use Winamp = <http://www.winamp.com/winamp/download>=20
    • Mac users should use Audion = <http://www.panic.com/ppack/audion/index.html>=20
    • Linux/X Windows users should use = XMMS=20 <http://www.xmms.org> =

Real-Time Feedback on the Performance
To provide real-time feedback on the performances, you may = send instant=20 messages using the Yahoo, MSN, AOL, or ICQ instant messengers, sent to = the=20 following user names / IDs:

    • Yahoo Messenger: = kris_hartung
    • MSN Messenger: = kris.hartung@hp.com
    • AOL Messenger (AIM):=20 krispenhartung
    • ICQ: 272583693=20


------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C5CCD3.810A2A60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 9 19:27:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 109983BFB8; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 19:27:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 21:28:55 +0200 Message-ID: <000601c5cd07$b0ba4630$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C5CD18.74431630" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <006f01c5cd05$cc267490$1802000a@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 19:27:38 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C5CD18.74431630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Kris, dear event/stage/project mgt., =20 do I understand this correctly that the schedule is as posted on the website, but you missed to set up the server for the first performance (Addam Ant the Plumber) and so decided to transmit hum until the set of Ute Bonn, or is Addam just humming, or...? =20 Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. Oktober 2005 21:15 An: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details We are on in 15 min with Ute Bonn. The server is now up and running. =20 Kris =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 11:23 AM Subject: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details Hello all - Today the streaming URL for the Y2K5 performances is the same as yesterday. Details below. Please also visit the Y2K5 website for the performance schedule. http://www.loopfestival.com/y2k5 Streaming Details: Live Broadcast Link via SHOUTcast: http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen") The broadcast stream is limited to 30 listening seats, so it is a first come first serve basis (if you can't get in, keep trying in case someone drops out)=20 System Requirements=20 Users can listen to SHOUTcast on a variety of platforms and players (e.g. Windows Media Player, MusicMatch, etc). Recommended players are as follows:=20 * Windows users should use Winamp < http://www.winamp.com/winamp/download>=20 * Mac users should use Audion < http://www.panic.com/ppack/audion/index.html>=20 * Linux/X Windows users should use XMMS < http://www.xmms.org>=20 Real-Time Feedback on the Performance To provide real-time feedback on the performances, you may send instant messages using the Yahoo, MSN, AOL, or ICQ instant messengers, sent to the following user names / IDs: * Yahoo Messenger: kris_hartung=20 * MSN Messenger: kris.hartung@hp.com=20 * AOL Messenger (AIM): krispenhartung=20 * ICQ: 272583693=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C5CD18.74431630 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nachricht
Dear=20 Kris, dear event/stage/project mgt.,
 
do I=20 understand this correctly that the schedule is as posted on the website, = but you=20 missed to set up the server for the first performance (Addam Ant the = Plumber)=20 and so decided to transmit hum until the set of Ute Bonn, or is Addam = just=20 humming, or...?
 
       =20 Rainer
-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Kris = Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. = Oktober 2005=20 21:15
An: = loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff: Re:=20 Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details

We are on in 15 min with Ute Bonn. = The server is=20 now up and running.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
To: loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, October 09, = 2005 11:23=20 AM
Subject: Y2K5 - Day 2 = Streaming=20 Details

Hello all -

Today the streaming URL for the = Y2K5=20 performances is the same as yesterday. Details below.  Please = also=20 visit the Y2K5 website for the performance schedule.

http://www.loopfestival.com/y2k= 5


Streaming=20 Details:

Live = Broadcast Link=20 via SHOUTcast: http://216.12.162.58:9030/=20 (Click on "Listen")

The = broadcast=20 stream is limited to 30 listening seats, so it is a first come first = serve=20 basis (if you can't get in, keep trying in case someone drops = out)=20

System = Requirements
Users can listen=20 to SHOUTcast on a variety of platforms and players (e.g. Windows = Media=20 Player, MusicMatch, etc). Recommended players are as follows: =

Real-Time Feedback on the Performance
To provide real-time feedback on the performances, you may = send=20 instant messages using the Yahoo, MSN, AOL, or ICQ instant = messengers, sent=20 to the following user names / IDs:

    • Yahoo Messenger: = kris_hartung
    • MSN Messenger:=20 kris.hartung@hp.com =
    • AOL Messenger (AIM):=20 krispenhartung
    • ICQ: 272583693=20


------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C5CD18.74431630-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 9 19:37:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 393343BFE8; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 19:37:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007b01c5cd08$e8ac0ff0$1802000a@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <000601c5cd07$b0ba4630$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Subject: Re: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 13:37:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0078_01C5CCD6.9D7A41F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.272000 Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3,Some tags-to-text=0.5 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 345, in=142303, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 19:37:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C5CCD6.9D7A41F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable NachrichtAddam had to cancel, so we started with Ute at 12:30am so as = not to mess with the schedule. =20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 1:28 PM Subject: AW: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details Dear Kris, dear event/stage/project mgt., do I understand this correctly that the schedule is as posted on the = website, but you missed to set up the server for the first performance = (Addam Ant the Plumber) and so decided to transmit hum until the set of = Ute Bonn, or is Addam just humming, or...? Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. Oktober 2005 21:15 An: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details We are on in 15 min with Ute Bonn. The server is now up and running. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 11:23 AM Subject: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details Hello all - Today the streaming URL for the Y2K5 performances is the same as = yesterday. Details below. Please also visit the Y2K5 website for the = performance schedule. http://www.loopfestival.com/y2k5 Streaming Details: Live Broadcast Link via SHOUTcast: http://216.12.162.58:9030/ = (Click on "Listen") The broadcast stream is limited to 30 listening seats, so it is a = first come first serve basis (if you can't get in, keep trying in case = someone drops out)=20 System Requirements=20 Users can listen to SHOUTcast on a variety of platforms and = players (e.g. Windows Media Player, MusicMatch, etc). Recommended = players are as follows:=20 a.. Windows users should use Winamp = =20 b.. Mac users should use Audion = =20 c.. Linux/X Windows users should use XMMS = =20 Real-Time Feedback on the Performance To provide real-time feedback on the performances, you may send = instant messages using the Yahoo, MSN, AOL, or ICQ instant messengers, = sent to the following user names / IDs: a.. Yahoo Messenger: kris_hartung=20 b.. MSN Messenger: kris.hartung@hp.com=20 c.. AOL Messenger (AIM): krispenhartung=20 d.. ICQ: 272583693=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C5CCD6.9D7A41F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nachricht
Addam had to cancel, so we started with = Ute at=20 12:30am so as not to mess with the schedule. 
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rainer = Thelonius=20 Balthasar Straschill
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 = 1:28=20 PM
Subject: AW: Y2K5 - Day 2 = Streaming=20 Details

Dear=20 Kris, dear event/stage/project mgt.,
 
do I=20 understand this correctly that the schedule is as posted on the = website, but=20 you missed to set up the server for the first performance (Addam Ant = the=20 Plumber) and so decided to transmit hum until the set of Ute Bonn, or = is Addam=20 just humming, or...?
 
       =20 Rainer
-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Kris = Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. = Oktober 2005=20 21:15
An: = loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff:=20 Re: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details

We are on in 15 min with Ute Bonn. = The server=20 is now up and running.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
To: loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, October 09, = 2005 11:23=20 AM
Subject: Y2K5 - Day 2 = Streaming=20 Details

Hello all -

Today the streaming URL for the = Y2K5=20 performances is the same as yesterday. Details below.  Please = also=20 visit the Y2K5 website for the performance schedule.

http://www.loopfestival.com/y2k= 5


Streaming=20 Details:

Live = Broadcast Link=20 via SHOUTcast: http://216.12.162.58:9030/=20 (Click on "Listen")

The = broadcast=20 stream is limited to 30 listening seats, so it is a first come = first serve=20 basis (if you can't get in, keep trying in case someone drops = out)=20

System = Requirements
Users can=20 listen to SHOUTcast on a variety of platforms and players (e.g. = Windows=20 Media Player, MusicMatch, etc). Recommended players are as = follows:=20

Real-Time Feedback on the Performance
To provide real-time feedback on the performances, you = may send=20 instant messages using the Yahoo, MSN, AOL, or ICQ instant = messengers,=20 sent to the following user names / IDs:

    • Yahoo Messenger: = kris_hartung
    • MSN Messenger:=20 kris.hartung@hp.com =
    • AOL Messenger (AIM):=20 krispenhartung
    • ICQ: 272583693=20 =


= ------=_NextPart_000_0078_01C5CCD6.9D7A41F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 9 19:42:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 674E63BFFB; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 19:42:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 21:43:21 +0200 Message-ID: <000f01c5cd09$b49a54a0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C5CD1A.782324A0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <007b01c5cd08$e8ac0ff0$1802000a@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 19:42:02 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C5CD1A.782324A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Continuing getting on your nerves (I'm still mad at myself 'cause I didn't treat the impending Loop Festival date with the necessary attention and came up with business apointments all of last week and the following week)...how does this work with the instant messenger below? Is there a fast way to give instant feedback if you've never registered with any of the services mentioned below? =20 How many people are there in the audience? I just checked that there are six listeners on the stream...how many "live" people?=20 =20 Thanks & all the best for your performances! =20 Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. Oktober 2005 21:38 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details Addam had to cancel, so we started with Ute at 12:30am so as not to mess with the schedule. =20 =20 Kris =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 1:28 PM Subject: AW: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details Dear Kris, dear event/stage/project mgt., =20 do I understand this correctly that the schedule is as posted on the website, but you missed to set up the server for the first performance (Addam Ant the Plumber) and so decided to transmit hum until the set of Ute Bonn, or is Addam just humming, or...? =20 Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. Oktober 2005 21:15 An: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details We are on in 15 min with Ute Bonn. The server is now up and running. =20 Kris =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 11:23 AM Subject: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details Hello all - Today the streaming URL for the Y2K5 performances is the same as yesterday. Details below. Please also visit the Y2K5 website for the performance schedule. http://www.loopfestival.com/y2k5 Streaming Details: Live Broadcast Link via SHOUTcast: http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen") The broadcast stream is limited to 30 listening seats, so it is a first come first serve basis (if you can't get in, keep trying in case someone drops out)=20 System Requirements=20 Users can listen to SHOUTcast on a variety of platforms and players (e.g. Windows Media Player, MusicMatch, etc). Recommended players are as follows:=20 * Windows users should use Winamp < http://www.winamp.com/winamp/download>=20 * Mac users should use Audion < http://www.panic.com/ppack/audion/index.html>=20 * Linux/X Windows users should use XMMS < http://www.xmms.org>=20 Real-Time Feedback on the Performance To provide real-time feedback on the performances, you may send instant messages using the Yahoo, MSN, AOL, or ICQ instant messengers, sent to the following user names / IDs: * Yahoo Messenger: kris_hartung=20 * MSN Messenger: kris.hartung@hp.com=20 * AOL Messenger (AIM): krispenhartung=20 * ICQ: 272583693=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C5CD1A.782324A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nachricht
Continuing getting on your nerves (I'm still mad at myself = 'cause I=20 didn't treat the impending Loop Festival date with the necessary = attention and=20 came up with business apointments all of last week and the following = week)...how=20 does this work with the instant messenger below? Is there a fast way to = give=20 instant feedback if you've never registered with any of the services = mentioned=20 below?
 
How=20 many people are there in the audience? I just checked that there are six = listeners on the stream...how many "live" people?
 
Thanks=20 & all the best for your performances!
 
       =20 Rainer
-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Kris = Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. = Oktober 2005=20 21:38
An: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff: Re:=20 Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details

Addam had to cancel, so we started = with Ute at=20 12:30am so as not to mess with the schedule. 
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rainer = Thelonius=20 Balthasar Straschill
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, October 09, = 2005 1:28=20 PM
Subject: AW: Y2K5 - Day 2 = Streaming=20 Details

Dear Kris, dear event/stage/project = mgt.,
 
do=20 I understand this correctly that the schedule is as posted on the = website,=20 but you missed to set up the server for the first performance (Addam = Ant the=20 Plumber) and so decided to transmit hum until the set of Ute Bonn, = or is=20 Addam just humming, or...?
 
        = Rainer
-----Urspr=FCngliche = Nachricht-----
Von: Kris=20 Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Gesendet: = Sonntag, 9.=20 Oktober 2005 21:15
An:=20 loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff: Re: Y2K5 - = Day 2=20 Streaming Details

We are on in 15 min with Ute = Bonn. The server=20 is now up and running.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
To: loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, October 09, = 2005=20 11:23 AM
Subject: Y2K5 - Day 2 = Streaming=20 Details

Hello all -

Today the streaming URL for = the Y2K5=20 performances is the same as yesterday. Details below.  = Please also=20 visit the Y2K5 website for the performance schedule.

http://www.loopfestival.com/y2k= 5


Streaming=20 Details:

Live = Broadcast=20 Link via SHOUTcast: http://216.12.162.58:9030/=20 (Click on "Listen")

The broadcast=20 stream is limited to 30 listening seats, so it is a first come = first=20 serve basis (if you can't get in, keep trying in case someone = drops=20 out)=20

System = Requirements
Users can=20 listen to SHOUTcast on a variety of platforms and players (e.g. = Windows=20 Media Player, MusicMatch, etc). Recommended players are as=20 follows:

Real-Time Feedback on the Performance
To provide real-time feedback on the = performances, you=20 may send instant messages using the Yahoo, MSN, AOL, or ICQ = instant=20 messengers, sent to the following user names / IDs:

    • Yahoo Messenger:=20 kris_hartung
    • MSN Messenger:=20 kris.hartung@hp.com =
    • AOL Messenger (AIM):=20 krispenhartung
    • ICQ: 272583693=20 =


------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C5CD1A.782324A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 9 19:44:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE06D3BFA6; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 19:44:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009801c5cd09$e3dae360$1802000a@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <000f01c5cd09$b49a54a0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Subject: Re: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 13:44:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0095_01C5CCD7.98AC49B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.772000 Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 8, in=4602, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 19:44:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C5CCD7.98AC49B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable NachrichtHi Rainer! There are 15 people here now, but it will increase as we get later into = the day. The best way to give feedback without sending to LD is to use one of the = four instant messenger systems below, or just send an email to me and I = will show it to the artist (khartung@cableone.net). Real-Time Feedback on the Performance To provide real-time feedback on the performances, you may send instant = messages using the Yahoo, MSN, AOL, or ICQ instant messengers, sent to = the following user names / IDs: a.. Yahoo Messenger: kris_hartung=20 b.. MSN Messenger: kris.hartung@hp.com=20 c.. AOL Messenger (AIM): krispenhartung=20 d.. ICQ: 272583693=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 1:43 PM Subject: AW: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details Continuing getting on your nerves (I'm still mad at myself 'cause I = didn't treat the impending Loop Festival date with the necessary = attention and came up with business apointments all of last week and the = following week)...how does this work with the instant messenger below? = Is there a fast way to give instant feedback if you've never registered = with any of the services mentioned below? How many people are there in the audience? I just checked that there = are six listeners on the stream...how many "live" people?=20 Thanks & all the best for your performances! Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. Oktober 2005 21:38 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details Addam had to cancel, so we started with Ute at 12:30am so as not to = mess with the schedule. =20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 1:28 PM Subject: AW: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details Dear Kris, dear event/stage/project mgt., do I understand this correctly that the schedule is as posted on = the website, but you missed to set up the server for the first = performance (Addam Ant the Plumber) and so decided to transmit hum until = the set of Ute Bonn, or is Addam just humming, or...? Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. Oktober 2005 21:15 An: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details We are on in 15 min with Ute Bonn. The server is now up and = running. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 11:23 AM Subject: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details Hello all - Today the streaming URL for the Y2K5 performances is the same = as yesterday. Details below. Please also visit the Y2K5 website for the = performance schedule. http://www.loopfestival.com/y2k5 Streaming Details: Live Broadcast Link via SHOUTcast: http://216.12.162.58:9030/ = (Click on "Listen") The broadcast stream is limited to 30 listening seats, so it = is a first come first serve basis (if you can't get in, keep trying in = case someone drops out)=20 System Requirements=20 Users can listen to SHOUTcast on a variety of platforms and = players (e.g. Windows Media Player, MusicMatch, etc). Recommended = players are as follows:=20 a.. Windows users should use Winamp = =20 b.. Mac users should use Audion = =20 c.. Linux/X Windows users should use XMMS = =20 Real-Time Feedback on the Performance To provide real-time feedback on the performances, you may = send instant messages using the Yahoo, MSN, AOL, or ICQ instant = messengers, sent to the following user names / IDs: a.. Yahoo Messenger: kris_hartung=20 b.. MSN Messenger: kris.hartung@hp.com=20 c.. AOL Messenger (AIM): krispenhartung=20 d.. ICQ: 272583693=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C5CCD7.98AC49B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nachricht
Hi Rainer!
 
There are 15 people here now, but it = will increase=20 as we get later into the day.
 
The best way to give feedback without = sending to LD=20 is to use one of the four instant messenger systems below, or just send = an email=20 to me and I will show it to the artist (khartung@cableone.net).<= /DIV>
 

Real-Time Feedback on the Performance
To provide real-time feedback on the performances, you may send = instant=20 messages using the Yahoo, MSN, AOL, or ICQ instant messengers, sent to = the=20 following user names / IDs:

    • Yahoo Messenger: = kris_hartung
    • MSN Messenger: = kris.hartung@hp.com
    • AOL Messenger (AIM): = krispenhartung
    • ICQ: 272583693 =

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rainer = Thelonius=20 Balthasar Straschill
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 = 1:43=20 PM
Subject: AW: Y2K5 - Day 2 = Streaming=20 Details

Continuing getting on your nerves (I'm still mad at myself = 'cause I=20 didn't treat the impending Loop Festival date with the necessary = attention and=20 came up with business apointments all of last week and the following=20 week)...how does this work with the instant messenger below? Is there = a fast=20 way to give instant feedback if you've never registered with any of = the=20 services mentioned below?
 
How=20 many people are there in the audience? I just checked that there are = six=20 listeners on the stream...how many "live" people?
 
Thanks & all the best for your = performances!
 
       =20 Rainer
-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Kris = Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. = Oktober 2005=20 21:38
An: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff:=20 Re: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details

Addam had to cancel, so we started = with Ute at=20 12:30am so as not to mess with the schedule. 
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Rainer = Thelonius=20 Balthasar Straschill
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, October 09, = 2005 1:28=20 PM
Subject: AW: Y2K5 - Day 2 = Streaming=20 Details

Dear Kris, dear event/stage/project = mgt.,
 
do I understand this correctly that the schedule is as = posted on=20 the website, but you missed to set up the server for the first = performance=20 (Addam Ant the Plumber) and so decided to transmit hum until the = set of=20 Ute Bonn, or is Addam just humming, or...?
 
        = Rainer
-----Urspr=FCngliche = Nachricht-----
Von: Kris=20 Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Gesendet: = Sonntag, 9.=20 Oktober 2005 21:15
An:=20 loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff: Re: Y2K5 = - Day 2=20 Streaming Details

We are on in 15 min with Ute = Bonn. The=20 server is now up and running.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Kris Hartung
To: loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, October = 09, 2005=20 11:23 AM
Subject: Y2K5 - Day 2 = Streaming=20 Details

Hello all -

Today the streaming URL for = the Y2K5=20 performances is the same as yesterday. Details below.  = Please=20 also visit the Y2K5 website for the performance = schedule.

http://www.loopfestival.com/y2k= 5


Streaming=20 Details:

Live = Broadcast=20 Link via SHOUTcast: http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen")

The=20 broadcast stream is limited to 30 listening seats, so it is a = first=20 come first serve basis (if you can't get in, keep trying in = case=20 someone drops out)=20

System = Requirements
Users can=20 listen to SHOUTcast on a variety of platforms and players = (e.g.=20 Windows Media Player, MusicMatch, etc). Recommended players = are as=20 follows:

    • Windows users should use = Winamp=20 <http://www.winamp.com/winamp/download>=20
    • Mac users should use = Audion=20 <http://www.panic.com/ppack/audion/index.html>=20
    • Linux/X Windows users = should use XMMS=20 <http://www.xmms.org>=20

Real-Time = Feedback on the = Performance
To provide real-time feedback on the = performances,=20 you may send instant messages using the Yahoo, MSN, AOL, or = ICQ=20 instant messengers, sent to the following user names / = IDs:

    • Yahoo Messenger:=20 kris_hartung
    • MSN Messenger:=20 kris.hartung@hp.com =
    • AOL Messenger (AIM):=20 krispenhartung =
    • ICQ: 272583693=20 =


------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C5CCD7.98AC49B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 9 19:46:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80C633C020; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 19:46:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00a601c5cd0a$2e162f20$1802000a@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <1128878595_75144@S2.cableone.net> Subject: Re: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 13:46:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A3_01C5CCD7.E2F52A00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.272000 Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3,Some tags-to-text=0.5 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 346, in=153500, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 19:46:48 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01C5CCD7.E2F52A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BTW, Ute's website is www.voicedancer.com (she has CDs) Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 11:23 AM Subject: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details Hello all - Today the streaming URL for the Y2K5 performances is the same as = yesterday. Details below. Please also visit the Y2K5 website for the = performance schedule. http://www.loopfestival.com/y2k5 Streaming Details: Live Broadcast Link via SHOUTcast: http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click = on "Listen") The broadcast stream is limited to 30 listening seats, so it is a = first come first serve basis (if you can't get in, keep trying in case = someone drops out)=20 System Requirements=20 Users can listen to SHOUTcast on a variety of platforms and players = (e.g. Windows Media Player, MusicMatch, etc). Recommended players are as = follows:=20 a.. Windows users should use Winamp = =20 b.. Mac users should use Audion = =20 c.. Linux/X Windows users should use XMMS =20 Real-Time Feedback on the Performance To provide real-time feedback on the performances, you may send = instant messages using the Yahoo, MSN, AOL, or ICQ instant messengers, = sent to the following user names / IDs: a.. Yahoo Messenger: kris_hartung=20 b.. MSN Messenger: kris.hartung@hp.com=20 c.. AOL Messenger (AIM): krispenhartung=20 d.. ICQ: 272583693=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01C5CCD7.E2F52A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
BTW, Ute's website is www.voicedancer.com  (she = has=20 CDs)
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
To: loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 = 11:23=20 AM
Subject: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming = Details

Hello all -

Today the streaming URL for the Y2K5 = performances is the same as yesterday. Details below.  Please = also visit=20 the Y2K5 website for the performance schedule.

http://www.loopfestival.com/y2k= 5


Streaming=20 Details:

Live = Broadcast Link via=20 SHOUTcast: http://216.12.162.58:9030/=20 (Click on "Listen")

The = broadcast stream=20 is limited to 30 listening seats, so it is a first come first serve = basis (if=20 you can't get in, keep trying in case someone drops out)=20

System Requirements
Users = can listen to=20 SHOUTcast on a variety of platforms and players (e.g. Windows Media = Player,=20 MusicMatch, etc). Recommended players are as follows:

    • Windows users should use Winamp = <http://www.winamp.com/winamp/download>=20
    • Mac users should use Audion = <http://www.panic.com/ppack/audion/index.html>=20
    • Linux/X Windows users should use = XMMS=20 <http://www.xmms.org> =

Real-Time Feedback on the Performance
To provide real-time feedback on the performances, you may = send instant=20 messages using the Yahoo, MSN, AOL, or ICQ instant messengers, sent to = the=20 following user names / IDs:

    • Yahoo Messenger: = kris_hartung
    • MSN Messenger: = kris.hartung@hp.com
    • AOL Messenger (AIM):=20 krispenhartung
    • ICQ: 272583693=20


------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01C5CCD7.E2F52A00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 9 19:48:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8CB33C03D; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 19:48:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <007b01c5cd08$e8ac0ff0$1802000a@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <000601c5cd07$b0ba4630$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <007b01c5cd08$e8ac0ff0$1802000a@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 21:48:27 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 19:48:30 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 9, 2005, at 21:37, Kris Hartung wrote: > Addam had to cancel, so we started with Ute at 12:30am so as not to > mess with the schedule. > > Kris I hear her perfectly over iTunes here in Sweden! I just came back in and missed the earlier performances. Will make some coffee to enjoy the last part. Thanks for setting up the webcast, Krispen! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 9 19:53:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 420AE3C046; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 19:53:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b201c5cd0b$0a782ef0$1802000a@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <000601c5cd07$b0ba4630$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <007b01c5cd08$e8ac0ff0$1802000a@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 13:52:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 343, in=138313, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <4oHfJD.A.m2H.cUXSDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 19:53:01 +0000 (UTC) It is my pleasure! Although, I need a compressor/limiter. I'm having to controll the wild db fluctuations manually. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 1:48 PM Subject: Re: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details > On Oct 9, 2005, at 21:37, Kris Hartung wrote: > > > Addam had to cancel, so we started with Ute at 12:30am so as not to > > mess with the schedule. > > > > Kris > > > I hear her perfectly over iTunes here in Sweden! I just came back in > and missed the earlier performances. Will make some coffee to enjoy > the last part. Thanks for setting up the webcast, Krispen! > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 9 19:54:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E5C03C03D; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 19:54:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 15:54:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Donovan Stokes Subject: RE: Y2K5 Day 2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4516236.1128887649932.JavaMail.dstokes@valdosta.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.0.2.153301, Antispam-Engine: 2.0.3.2, Antispam-Data: 2005.10.9.22 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 19:54:13 +0000 (UTC) >>>>>>hear her perfectly over iTunes here in Sweden! I just came back in and missed the earlier performances. Will make some coffee to enjoy the last part. Thanks for setting up the webcast, Krispen! Greetings from Sweden>>>>>> iTunes works in the States as well. --------------------- Donovan Stokes www.donovanstokes.com 229.259.0081 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 9 19:59:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 830613C04C; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 19:59:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 22:00:33 +0200 Message-ID: <001a01c5cd0c$1bd39580$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00b201c5cd0b$0a782ef0$1802000a@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 19:59:13 +0000 (UTC) So I understand that the distortions audible in Ute's performance in the webcast are not part of the performance, but rather of the signal stream from her mains to the webcast? (note to self: bring along Dominator if I ever take part in a festival with a webcast) Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. Oktober 2005 21:53 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details It is my pleasure! Although, I need a compressor/limiter. I'm having to controll the wild db fluctuations manually. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 1:48 PM Subject: Re: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details > On Oct 9, 2005, at 21:37, Kris Hartung wrote: > > > Addam had to cancel, so we started with Ute at 12:30am so as not to=20 > > mess with the schedule. > > > > Kris > > > I hear her perfectly over iTunes here in Sweden! I just came back in=20 > and missed the earlier performances. Will make some coffee to enjoy=20 > the last part. Thanks for setting up the webcast, Krispen! > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 9 20:00:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3103D3BFBD; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:00:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <4516236.1128887649932.JavaMail.dstokes@valdosta.edu> References: <4516236.1128887649932.JavaMail.dstokes@valdosta.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3820F888-E11C-4F65-AEFC-491880AE8CA1@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Y2K5 Day 2 Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 21:59:57 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:00:00 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 9, 2005, at 21:54, Donovan Stokes wrote: > > iTunes works in the States as well. Thanks for telling ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 9 20:03:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8EB13C006; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:03:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00c601c5cd0c$78ffaa50$1802000a@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <001a01c5cd0c$1bd39580$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Subject: Re: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 14:03:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 343, in=138316, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <3AuUXB.A.UT.AeXSDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:03:12 +0000 (UTC) No, she was singing really close to the mic and I didn't have the level set to handle the peak.....you know the challenges of working with non-normalized input. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 2:00 PM Subject: AW: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details So I understand that the distortions audible in Ute's performance in the webcast are not part of the performance, but rather of the signal stream from her mains to the webcast? (note to self: bring along Dominator if I ever take part in a festival with a webcast) Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. Oktober 2005 21:53 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details It is my pleasure! Although, I need a compressor/limiter. I'm having to controll the wild db fluctuations manually. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 1:48 PM Subject: Re: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details > On Oct 9, 2005, at 21:37, Kris Hartung wrote: > > > Addam had to cancel, so we started with Ute at 12:30am so as not to > > mess with the schedule. > > > > Kris > > > I hear her perfectly over iTunes here in Sweden! I just came back in > and missed the earlier performances. Will make some coffee to enjoy > the last part. Thanks for setting up the webcast, Krispen! > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 9 20:27:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1976A3C01A; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:27:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00e001c5cd0f$d07d18f0$1802000a@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <1128878595_75144@S2.cableone.net> Subject: Revised Y2K5 Schedule for Today (Sunday) Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 14:27:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 8, in=4606, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <61f1y.A.M9.d0XSDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:27:10 +0000 (UTC) Revised Schedule, all in Pacific Time (USA): 12:00 PM Addam Ant the PlumberAddam Ant the PlumberUSAbeatbox-rap 12:30 PM Ute BonnUte BonnGermany 01:00 PM Addam Ant the Plumber 01:30 PM ?? (Probably Rick Walker) 02:00 PM David Molina 02:30 PM Amar Chaudry 03:00 PM OPEN 03:30 PM Doug Wright 04:00 PM Wally Schnalle 04:30 PM Krispen Hartung 05:00 PM Lumper/Splitter 05:30 PM Bill Walker 06:00 PM Goh Nakamura 06:30 PM Dinner Break 08:00 PM Bernhard Wagner 08:30 PM Max Valentino 09:00 PM MANDO MAN 09:30 PM Philipp "zurrigo" Zürcher From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 9 20:45:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 438563BF3A; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:45:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4349836B.1010302@Hevanet.com> Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 13:54:03 -0700 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Revised Y2K5 Schedule for Today (Sunday) References: <1128878595_75144@S2.cableone.net> <00e001c5cd0f$d07d18f0$1802000a@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <00e001c5cd0f$d07d18f0$1802000a@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:45:52 +0000 (UTC) Kris Hartung wrote: >Revised Schedule, all in Pacific Time (USA): >(...) >01:30 PM ?? (Probably Rick Walker) > > > I'm listening to the shoutcast, and Ute's little video happened to come on at the same time: http://www.studiocruz.com/anim-ute.html Nice combo...both masterful (singularly and together)! :-) I've played mixing bowls partly filled with water, but never as nicely as Rick...thanks! David Portland, OR > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 9 21:31:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDA423BF19; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 21:31:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000901c5cd18$bbc55c70$1802000a@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <1128878595_75144@S2.cableone.net> Subject: Re: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 15:30:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C5CCE6.7014E890" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.272000 Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3,Some tags-to-text=0.5 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 346, in=153513, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <3i3N7.A._ZC.UwYSDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 21:31:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C5CCE6.7014E890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My system went down for a few minutes. It is up again now. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 11:23 AM Subject: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details Hello all - Today the streaming URL for the Y2K5 performances is the same as = yesterday. Details below. Please also visit the Y2K5 website for the = performance schedule. http://www.loopfestival.com/y2k5 Streaming Details: Live Broadcast Link via SHOUTcast: http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click = on "Listen") The broadcast stream is limited to 30 listening seats, so it is a = first come first serve basis (if you can't get in, keep trying in case = someone drops out)=20 System Requirements=20 Users can listen to SHOUTcast on a variety of platforms and players = (e.g. Windows Media Player, MusicMatch, etc). Recommended players are as = follows:=20 a.. Windows users should use Winamp = =20 b.. Mac users should use Audion = =20 c.. Linux/X Windows users should use XMMS =20 Real-Time Feedback on the Performance To provide real-time feedback on the performances, you may send = instant messages using the Yahoo, MSN, AOL, or ICQ instant messengers, = sent to the following user names / IDs: a.. Yahoo Messenger: kris_hartung=20 b.. MSN Messenger: kris.hartung@hp.com=20 c.. AOL Messenger (AIM): krispenhartung=20 d.. ICQ: 272583693=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C5CCE6.7014E890 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My system went down for a few minutes. = It is up=20 again now.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
To: loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 = 11:23=20 AM
Subject: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming = Details

Hello all -

Today the streaming URL for the Y2K5 = performances is the same as yesterday. Details below.  Please = also visit=20 the Y2K5 website for the performance schedule.

http://www.loopfestival.com/y2k= 5


Streaming=20 Details:

Live = Broadcast Link via=20 SHOUTcast: http://216.12.162.58:9030/=20 (Click on "Listen")

The = broadcast stream=20 is limited to 30 listening seats, so it is a first come first serve = basis (if=20 you can't get in, keep trying in case someone drops out)=20

System Requirements
Users = can listen to=20 SHOUTcast on a variety of platforms and players (e.g. Windows Media = Player,=20 MusicMatch, etc). Recommended players are as follows:

    • Windows users should use Winamp = <http://www.winamp.com/winamp/download>=20
    • Mac users should use Audion = <http://www.panic.com/ppack/audion/index.html>=20
    • Linux/X Windows users should use = XMMS=20 <http://www.xmms.org> =

Real-Time Feedback on the Performance
To provide real-time feedback on the performances, you may = send instant=20 messages using the Yahoo, MSN, AOL, or ICQ instant messengers, sent to = the=20 following user names / IDs:

    • Yahoo Messenger: = kris_hartung
    • MSN Messenger: = kris.hartung@hp.com
    • AOL Messenger (AIM):=20 krispenhartung
    • ICQ: 272583693=20


------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C5CCE6.7014E890-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 9 21:48:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35BA63BF22; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 21:48:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 23:49:34 +0200 Message-ID: <002301c5cd1b$56eef880$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C5CD2C.1A77C880" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000901c5cd18$bbc55c70$1802000a@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 21:48:17 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C5CD2C.1A77C880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is Amar Chaudry right now? There was just the "most beautiful ugly sound" in the world! ;-) =20 The outfit just before (with the huge amount of gear according to Rick) reminded me of my uncle (not a musically-educated person) commenting on contemporary classical music: "I don't get it with Messiaen - he's got over 100 people and by comparison, the Nono work I heard last week made considerably more noise with less than half the people" ;-) Based on the sheer amount of technical equipment, they didn't make that much weird noise... =20 It's off to bed for me now (just before midnight here, and getting up at 0700 tomorrow) - hope the server doesn't crash, I'll try to save the stream and have a listen tomorrow. =20 Have a lot of fun, do continue creating Art (with a capital "a"), and thanks for the listening experience to the artists as well as to you, Kris! =20 Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. Oktober 2005 23:31 An: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details My system went down for a few minutes. It is up again now. =20 Kris =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 11:23 AM Subject: Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details Hello all - Today the streaming URL for the Y2K5 performances is the same as yesterday. Details below. Please also visit the Y2K5 website for the performance schedule. http://www.loopfestival.com/y2k5 Streaming Details: Live Broadcast Link via SHOUTcast: http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen") The broadcast stream is limited to 30 listening seats, so it is a first come first serve basis (if you can't get in, keep trying in case someone drops out)=20 System Requirements=20 Users can listen to SHOUTcast on a variety of platforms and players (e.g. Windows Media Player, MusicMatch, etc). Recommended players are as follows:=20 * Windows users should use Winamp < http://www.winamp.com/winamp/download>=20 * Mac users should use Audion < http://www.panic.com/ppack/audion/index.html>=20 * Linux/X Windows users should use XMMS < http://www.xmms.org>=20 Real-Time Feedback on the Performance To provide real-time feedback on the performances, you may send instant messages using the Yahoo, MSN, AOL, or ICQ instant messengers, sent to the following user names / IDs: * Yahoo Messenger: kris_hartung=20 * MSN Messenger: kris.hartung@hp.com=20 * AOL Messenger (AIM): krispenhartung=20 * ICQ: 272583693=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C5CD2C.1A77C880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nachricht
This=20 is Amar Chaudry right now? There was just the "most beautiful ugly = sound" in the=20 world! ;-)
 
The=20 outfit just before (with the huge amount of gear according to Rick) = reminded me=20 of my uncle (not a musically-educated person) commenting on contemporary = classical music: "I don't get it with Messiaen - he's got over 100 = people and by=20 comparison, the Nono work I heard last week made considerably more noise = with=20 less than half the people" ;-) Based on the sheer amount of technical = equipment,=20 they didn't make that much weird noise...
 
It's=20 off to bed for me now (just before midnight here, and getting up at 0700 = tomorrow) - hope the server doesn't crash, I'll try to save the = stream and=20 have a listen tomorrow.
 
Have a=20 lot of fun, do continue creating Art (with a capital "a"), and thanks = for the=20 listening experience to the artists as well as to you, = Kris!
 
       &nbs= p;   =20 Rainer
-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Kris = Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. = Oktober 2005=20 23:31
An: = loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff: Re:=20 Y2K5 - Day 2 Streaming Details

My system went down for a few = minutes. It is up=20 again now.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
To: loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, October 09, = 2005 11:23=20 AM
Subject: Y2K5 - Day 2 = Streaming=20 Details

Hello all -

Today the streaming URL for the = Y2K5=20 performances is the same as yesterday. Details below.  Please = also=20 visit the Y2K5 website for the performance schedule.

http://www.loopfestival.com/y2k= 5


Streaming=20 Details:

Live = Broadcast Link=20 via SHOUTcast: http://216.12.162.58:9030/=20 (Click on "Listen")

The = broadcast=20 stream is limited to 30 listening seats, so it is a first come first = serve=20 basis (if you can't get in, keep trying in case someone drops = out)=20

System = Requirements
Users can listen=20 to SHOUTcast on a variety of platforms and players (e.g. Windows = Media=20 Player, MusicMatch, etc). Recommended players are as follows: =

Real-Time Feedback on the Performance
To provide real-time feedback on the performances, you may = send=20 instant messages using the Yahoo, MSN, AOL, or ICQ instant = messengers, sent=20 to the following user names / IDs:

    • Yahoo Messenger: = kris_hartung
    • MSN Messenger:=20 kris.hartung@hp.com =
    • AOL Messenger (AIM):=20 krispenhartung
    • ICQ: 272583693=20


------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C5CD2C.1A77C880-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 9 22:51:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 218293BF23; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 22:51:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 17:51:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performer Info / Stream URL To: Kris Hartung , loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <1960258.1128898313174.JavaMail.root@vms074.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 22:51:54 +0000 (UTC) this is wonderful!.....thanks kris.....sounds excellent.....:)m http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 9 23:10:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2D953BF2F; Sun, 9 Oct 2005 23:10:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 18:10:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: Y2K5 Performer Info / Stream URL To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <29714252.1128899418980.JavaMail.root@vms074.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3XdRXD.A.JxE.lNaSDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 23:10:29 +0000 (UTC) yes.....i hit the site and itunes came up with it also.....so simple.....tell everyone i say hello!.....wheeeeeeeeeee.....:)m http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 00:04:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 693F43BF2C; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 00:04:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002f01c5cd2e$3d016b20$1802000a@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <29714252.1128899418980.JavaMail.root@vms074.mailsrvcs.net> Subject: Re: Re: Y2K5 Performer Info / Stream URL Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 18:04:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 345, in=142361, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 00:04:56 +0000 (UTC) The serve went down oddly, how much did everyone miss? Probably my whole performance.... Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 00:11:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47B933BF34; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 00:11:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 19:11:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: Re: Y2K5 Performer Info / Stream URL To: Kris Hartung , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <13927006.1128903066405.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 00:11:07 +0000 (UTC) it's still down here.....it went down when you imed me.....:(m http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 00:13:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F2D73BF3B; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 00:13:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 19:13:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re:Y2K5 Performer Info / Stream URL To: nemoguitt@verizon.net, Kris Hartung , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <5568013.1128903222343.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 00:13:45 +0000 (UTC) back up!.....who's playing?.....sorry kris i missed your set....m http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 00:14:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C80573BF3F; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 00:14:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003f01c5cd2f$887c1f40$1802000a@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <13927006.1128903066405.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net> Subject: Re: Re: Re: Y2K5 Performer Info / Stream URL Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 18:14:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 8, in=4656, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 00:14:26 +0000 (UTC) The Shoutcast server is acting flakey...I'll keep monitoring it and try to keep the connectiong going. Very odd....server goes down just before the stream master (me) starts to play....the cosmic mind has a twisted sense of humor. :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Kris Hartung" ; Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 6:11 PM Subject: Re: Re: Re: Y2K5 Performer Info / Stream URL > it's still down here.....it went down when you imed me.....:(m > > http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 00:19:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CEA83BF47; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 00:19:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005d01c5cd30$51d53a20$1802000a@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <5568013.1128903222343.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net> Subject: Re: Re:Y2K5 Performer Info / Stream URL Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 18:19:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 345, in=142364, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 00:19:49 +0000 (UTC) This is Lumper/Splitter...my kind of stuff, man. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; "Kris Hartung" ; Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 6:13 PM Subject: Re:Y2K5 Performer Info / Stream URL > back up!.....who's playing?.....sorry kris i missed your set....m > > http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 00:26:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 731BE3BF4D; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 00:26:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,191,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="96781851:sNHT4237005848" Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 20:26:08 -0400 From: Subject: Re: Re:Y2K5 Performer Info / Stream URL To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.5.6-GR MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <65b58cc8.48ca7d11.81bcf00@ms07.mrf.mail.rcn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 00:26:11 +0000 (UTC) just tuned in -wow! live looping from the other coast .... on my itunes - how awesome is that!!!! I love the future! Tom ---- Original message ---- >Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 18:19:44 -0600 >From: "Kris Hartung" >Subject: Re: Re:Y2K5 Performer Info / Stream URL >To: > >This is Lumper/Splitter...my kind of stuff, man. > >Kris > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: ; "Kris Hartung" ; > >Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 6:13 PM >Subject: Re:Y2K5 Performer Info / Stream URL > > >> back up!.....who's playing?.....sorry kris i missed your set....m >> >> http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 00:37:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FB733BF57; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 00:37:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Re:Y2K5 Performer Info / Stream URL Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 02:38:35 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c5cd32$f30f4410$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <65b58cc8.48ca7d11.81bcf00@ms07.mrf.mail.rcn.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <1yBOSC.A.5k.8ebSDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 00:37:17 +0000 (UTC) Just woke up and couldn't resist to check in on the performance - and just now, it's Rick's brother playing! Kris, please give my best to Rick Walker (as well as to Bill, and...hell, to all of you artists (including you, Kris))! Incredible to hear you all play! Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 00:54:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB12D3BF54; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 00:54:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <75521d8a8aa2dd2a0370928fad8f2ba5@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: usb footcontroller Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 18:54:51 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 00:54:54 +0000 (UTC) http://www.amplitube.com/Main.html?AT2OverviewStompIO From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 01:30:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 387553BF3C; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 01:30:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <197.4880ae8b.307b1e46@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 21:30:46 EDT Subject: Re: why do we play live? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_197.4880ae8b.307b1e46_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 01:30:51 +0000 (UTC) --part1_197.4880ae8b.307b1e46_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, As some one who just played Y2K3 last night and who is currently=20 listening to the live stream of Billy "Gee-tar Man" Walker -- sweeping=20 the floor of all other pretenders -- I have to say definatively . . .=20 I dunno . . . It's a kind of "mountain" that I psych myself up to climb a half dozen=20 times (sometimes more, sometmes less) a year. I am very seldom=20 ever satisfied with these "climbing" experiences. I too often go ill=20 prepared (or equipped) and wind up sliding halfway down a glacier=20 on my sorry ass. Sometimes it happens even when I am perfectly=20 well prepared and outfitted too.=20 The rare "satisfying" performances seem to come entirely at=20 random and unexpectly. There seems to be no "science" to it. All=20 of my disciplined preperations (if and when I apply myself) seem=20 to have little to no affect on the outcome actually. They seem=20 to amount to little more than a more elaborate form of "crossing=20 my fingers" and/or some sort of offeratory to the gods of "guilt"=20 and "responsibility." And . . . I don't want t let anyone down. I suppose I perform live because I keep hoping for that next repeat of the rare, blissful, play-my-ass-off, my-fingers-can-do-no-wrong, where-the-hell-is-this-music-coming-from (surely not me?) experience. For only having had a taste of it a few times I am still certainly addicted=20 nonetheless. I need it now as surely as a junky needs a fix. But why? God, I wish I knew. Sometimes I think I'd go into rehab and=20 "take the cure" to be rid of it for all the grief it's caused me. Then, at other times, I'd trade my left nut to taste of that bliss again. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn PS. Buy "Flux Aeterna" from CDBaby during the months of September and October and all of my portion of the profits will be automatically donated to the Red Cross by CDBaby specifically for Gulf Coast hurricane relief. "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_197.4880ae8b.307b1e46_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well,

As some one who just played Y2K3 last night and who is currently
listening to the live stream of Billy "Gee-tar Man" Walker -- sweeping
the floor of all other pretenders -- I have to say definatively . . .

I dunno . . .

It's a kind of "mountain" that I psych myself up to climb a half dozen
times (sometimes more, sometmes less) a year. I am very seldom
ever satisfied with these "climbing" experiences. I too often go ill
prepared (or equipped) and wind up sliding halfway down a glacier
on my sorry ass. Sometimes it happens even when I am perfectly
well prepared and outfitted too.

The rare "satisfying" performances seem to come entirely at
random and unexpectly. There seems to be no "science" to it. All
of my disciplined preperations (if and when I apply myself) seem
to have little to no affect on the outcome actually. They seem
to amount to little more than a more elaborate form of "crossing
my fingers" and/or some sort of offeratory to the gods of "guilt"
and "responsibility." And . . . I don't want t let anyone down.

I suppose I perform live because I keep hoping for that next repeat
of the rare, blissful, play-my-ass-off, my-fingers-can-do-no-wrong,
where-the-hell-is-this-music-coming-from (surely not me?) experience.
For only having had a taste of it a few times I am still certainly addicted=20=
nonetheless. I need it now as surely as a junky needs a fix.

But why? God, I wish I knew. Sometimes I think I'd go into rehab and
"take the cure" to be rid of it for all the grief it's caused me. Then,
at other times, I'd trade my left nut to taste of that bliss again.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

PS. Buy "Flux Aeterna" from CDBaby during the months of September
and October and all of my portion of the profits will be automatically
donated to the Red Cross by CDBaby specifically for Gulf Coast
hurricane relief.

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_197.4880ae8b.307b1e46_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 01:38:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7115F3BF48; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 01:38:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <197.4880ae8b.307b1e46@aol.com> References: <197.4880ae8b.307b1e46@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 18:36:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: why do we play live? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1083214168==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 01:38:49 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1083214168==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 9:30 PM -0400 10/9/05, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: >I suppose I perform live because I keep hoping for that next repeat >of the rare, blissful, play-my-ass-off, my-fingers-can-do-no-wrong, >where-the-hell-is-this-music-coming-from (surely not me?) experience. >For only having had a taste of it a few times I am still certainly addicted >nonetheless. I need it now as surely as a junky needs a fix. Yeah!!! -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 --============_-1083214168==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: why do we play live?
At 9:30 PM -0400 10/9/05, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote:
I suppose I perform live because I keep hoping for that next repeat
of the rare, blissful, play-my-ass-off, my-fingers-can-do-no-wrong,
where-the-hell-is-this-music-coming-from (surely not me?) experience.
For only having had a taste of it a few times I am still certainly addicted
nonetheless. I need it now as surely as a junky needs a fix.

Yeah!!!



--

David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730
--============_-1083214168==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 03:22:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76C063BF42; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 03:22:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4349E05C.5080006@Hevanet.com> Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 20:30:36 -0700 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Revised Y2K5 Schedule for Today (Sunday) References: <1128878595_75144@S2.cableone.net> <00e001c5cd0f$d07d18f0$1802000a@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <00e001c5cd0f$d07d18f0$1802000a@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 03:22:24 +0000 (UTC) > > >08:00 PM Bernhard Wagner > Gorgeous sounds! Kris Hartung wrote: >Revised Schedule, all in Pacific Time (USA): > >12:00 PM Addam Ant the PlumberAddam Ant the PlumberUSAbeatbox-rap >12:30 PM Ute BonnUte BonnGermany >01:00 PM Addam Ant the Plumber >01:30 PM ?? (Probably Rick Walker) >02:00 PM David Molina >02:30 PM Amar Chaudry >03:00 PM OPEN >03:30 PM Doug Wright >04:00 PM Wally Schnalle >04:30 PM Krispen Hartung >05:00 PM Lumper/Splitter >05:30 PM Bill Walker >06:00 PM Goh Nakamura >06:30 PM Dinner Break >08:00 PM Bernhard Wagner >08:30 PM Max Valentino >09:00 PM MANDO MAN >09:30 PM Philipp "zurrigo" Zürcher > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 06:08:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98AEF3BF41; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 06:08:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20051009230042.04ad4da8@annihilist.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 23:08:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Congrats to Rick and Y2K5! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 06:08:08 +0000 (UTC) Hey guys- I want to offer hearty congratulations to Rick and everybody who performed and participated in the Y2K5 Loop festival this year! What a great event! For the first time, I couldn't attend this year due to schedule conflicts. A personal bummer, but I did manage to listen to several hours of the web cast today. It really sounded like a great show and a great time. Nice job to everybody involved, especially Rick for all the energy you put into this! Looping has come a long way, and it really makes me excited to hear the music you are all creating. Hope to be there next year, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 07:32:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09C8F3BF43; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:32:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <75521d8a8aa2dd2a0370928fad8f2ba5@mac.com> References: <75521d8a8aa2dd2a0370928fad8f2ba5@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1E8BD845-9454-4412-88C0-D04A74EB0A75@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: usb footcontroller Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:32:15 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:32:18 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 10, 2005, at 2:54, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > http://www.amplitube.com/Main.html?AT2OverviewStompIO Great tip! But they did not publish a specification on exactly which MIDI data it can send, so it's hard to know how useful it may be for looping. With that many functions mashed into the same box using USB, I would not dare to buy it without having read the pdf manual and spec sheets in advance. One thing I would like to know, as for an example, is if it's possible to turn off some of the stuff sent out over the USB. If that's possible I would feel more safe, because then you could always use the workaround of routing MIDI from the Stomp over a second computer MIDI interface into a second USB port, if there should be problems with audio (quite common issue when mashing MIDI and audio streams over the same port). Those 6 external controllers available is also great, but the info site did not spell out if the Stomp does send out MIDI CC according to a connected analog expression pedal. Such things would be handy to know before buying. > * Ultra-low latency USB > * Direct Guitar IN > * Direct OUT > * Low-level STEREO OUT > * Balanced STEREO OUT > * Digital S/PDIF OUT > * Headphones OUT > * MIDI IN/OUT > * 6 external controller, pedal/switch Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 10:07:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3A193BF3C; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:07:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000f01c5cd82$5e282920$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Y2K5 ends Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 03:07:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:07:03 +0000 (UTC) WOW!!!!!!!!!! that's all I can say, except that the annual loopers luncheon will be at the Walnut Street Cafe today (monday) at 1:00 p.m. (that's at Walnut Street one street over from the venue). then if you are still around, we'll go invade Goth night for the Loopers afterparty (Blue Lagoon - 10:30 p.m.) I'm going to sleep for a long time now. r. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 10:40:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55CE33BF4C; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:40:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <4343226D.5070100@speakeasy.net> References: <4343226D.5070100@speakeasy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <697c1df3118163b025c54d10f47eb6fc@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: why do we loop? Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 05:40:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:40:54 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 4, 2005, at 7:46 PM, Dennis Montgomery wrote: > why do we loop? i don't know about you but i wanted to be robert fripp and david torn at the same time on keyboards. the other answer would of course be because i have to. not really much choice ... no other way to get the sound. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 14:26:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16DEE3BEF4; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:26:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <7a.7d85721f.307bd40d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:26:21 EDT Subject: Re: Y2K5 ends To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7a.7d85721f.307bd40d_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:26:32 +0000 (UTC) --part1_7a.7d85721f.307bd40d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RW, Thanks Rick for inviting me to come and perform at the show again this year. I had to leave early because I have a new employer and had no time off to=20 take. Sounds like despite all of the trials and tribulations with the venue=20 situation=20 that everything worked out fine in the end and a terrific show was had by=20 all. Sleep in well-deserved rest now . . . and say "hi" to the gang at the looper= s=20 "brunch" in the morningfor me. I am seriously bummed that my stay had to=20 be cut so short. I got toplay but I missed a lot of the comraderie this year= . Thanks also to guitaris/looper/photographer Mark Hamburg for giving me=20 a place to stay. Also to Kris Hartung for doing the fabulous job he did with the webcast. Truly amazing guys. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn PS. Buy "Flux Aeterna" from CDBaby during the months of September and October and all of my portion of the profits will be automatically donated to the Red Cross by CDBaby specifically for Gulf Coast hurricane relief. "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_7a.7d85721f.307bd40d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RW,

Thanks Rick for inviting me to come and perform at the show again this year.=
I had to leave early because I have a new employer and had no time off to ta= ke.
Sounds like despite all of the trials and tribulations with the venue situat= ion
that everything worked out fine in the end and a terrific show was had by al= l.
Sleep in well-deserved rest now . . . and say "hi" to the gang at the looper= s
"brunch" in the morningfor me. I am seriously bummed that my stay had to be cut so short. I got toplay but I missed a lot of the comraderie this year= .
Thanks also to guitaris/looper/photographer Mark Hamburg for giving me
a place to stay. Also to Kris Hartung for doing the fabulous job he did with=
the webcast. Truly amazing guys.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

PS. Buy "Flux Aeterna" from CDBaby during the months of September
and October and all of my portion of the profits will be automatically
donated to the Red Cross by CDBaby specifically for Gulf Coast
hurricane relief.

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_7a.7d85721f.307bd40d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 15:08:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82FC83BEF6; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:08:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <197.4880ae8b.307b1e46@aol.com> References: <197.4880ae8b.307b1e46@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-325867789 Message-Id: <27d9f7fc3ceeb17f0ff04a9c8ed966f2@mac.com> From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: why do we play live? Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 09:08:43 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:08:46 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-325867789 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Great posts on this "why play live" thread. I think there's another reason that hasn't been touched upon. It has to do with an inherent desire in humans to pass along and share information. It's like when you see a beautiful flower, sunset, waterfall, whatever and one of your first impulses is to rush home and share the experience with others or grab your camera so you can go back and "capture the moment". It's like humans are programmed to share/ pass on info especially those "AH HA!!!" moments. For me, being more interested in the creative process than the result - I'd much rather watch a painter paint than see the final product, I always feel best after a gig when the audience is drawn along for the ride as opposed to an audience that's just enthralled with the technique from an analytical perspective. - Paul On Oct 9, 2005, at 7:30 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > But why? God, I wish I knew. Sometimes I think I'd go into rehab and > "take the cure" to be rid of it for all the grief it's caused me. > Then, > at other times, I'd trade my left nut to taste of that bliss again. --Apple-Mail-1-325867789 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Great posts on this "why play live" thread. I think there's another reason that hasn't been touched upon. It has to do with an inherent desire in humans to pass along and share information. It's like when you see a beautiful flower, sunset, waterfall, whatever and one of your first impulses is to rush home and share the experience with others or grab your camera so you can go back and "capture the moment". It's like humans are programmed to share/ pass on info especially those "AH HA!!!" moments. For me, being more interested in the creative process than the result - I'd much rather watch a painter paint than see the final product, I always feel best after a gig when the audience is drawn along for the ride as opposed to an audience that's just enthralled with the technique from an analytical perspective. - Paul On Oct 9, 2005, at 7:30 PM, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: Geneva But why? God, I wish I knew. Sometimes I think I'd go into rehab and Geneva "take the cure" to be rid of it for all the grief it's caused me. Then, Geneva at other times, I'd trade my left nut to taste of that bliss again. --Apple-Mail-1-325867789-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 15:12:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F6013BEFB; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:12:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: <1a3.3dfa970a.307bdeee@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:12:46 EDT Subject: To Rick Walker and Kris Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1128957166" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5039 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:12:53 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1128957166 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Much thanks from me. From dealing with all the complications to getting a really stellar line up! Well done, James Sidlo -------------------------------1128957166 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Much thanks from me. From dealing with all the complications to getting= a really stellar line up!
 
              &n= bsp;               &n= bsp;               &n= bsp; Well done, James Sidlo
-------------------------------1128957166-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 16:12:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 584E93BEF0; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:12:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <27d9f7fc3ceeb17f0ff04a9c8ed966f2@mac.com> References: <197.4880ae8b.307b1e46@aol.com> <27d9f7fc3ceeb17f0ff04a9c8ed966f2@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8C956B9C-6DE6-4448-B43C-5DBF562AF514@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: why do we play live? Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:12:18 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:12:23 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 10, 2005, at 17:08, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > Great posts on this "why play live" thread. I think there's > another reason that hasn't been touched upon. It has to do with an > inherent desire in humans to pass along and share information... 8< > 8< 8< 8< Yes, exactly! And regarding some of that "information you want to pass along" it simply doesn't make sense to even try describing it in words. You have the choice to either go out and play it as music or just keep it for yourself. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 16:39:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 197A73BEF3; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:39:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: AW: Y2K5 - Photo URL Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:40:33 +0200 Message-ID: <001501c5cdb9$57d703c0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <1128802121_66835@S2.cableone.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:39:18 +0000 (UTC) About the photos...I seem to have troubles accessing them (using an incredibly old IE ...6.0.28 or something). Is there another photo location, or do I have to look for another computer? =20 Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Gesendet: Samstag, 8. Oktober 2005 22:09 An: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Y2K5 - Photo URL Y2K5 photos are now available at: http://grubmah.com/y2k5 These will get updated as the day goes forward. Mark Hamburg (borrowing an e-mail account) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 17:06:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B8513BEF5; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:06:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009201c5cdbc$f0f215b0$cfcaf40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <001501c5cdb9$57d703c0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Subject: Re: Y2K5 - Photo URL Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:06:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 346, in=153926, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:06:27 +0000 (UTC) I believe Mark is working on a different solution. This URL doesn't work for me either. I think he has something like a thousand pictures! I'm sure he'll have to sift through them and find a good representation of the event to upload for us all to view. Mark, www.snapfish.com is a great tool, and free for you to upload your pictures. Plus we will be able to go and order physical prints of the pictures if we like very a very decent cost. I highly recommend this, as I would like some physical prints. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 10:40 AM Subject: AW: Y2K5 - Photo URL About the photos...I seem to have troubles accessing them (using an incredibly old IE ...6.0.28 or something). Is there another photo location, or do I have to look for another computer? Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Gesendet: Samstag, 8. Oktober 2005 22:09 An: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Y2K5 - Photo URL Y2K5 photos are now available at: http://grubmah.com/y2k5 These will get updated as the day goes forward. Mark Hamburg (borrowing an e-mail account) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 17:40:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1AF8D3BF06; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:40:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <1128802892_82931@S3.cableone.net> References: <1128802892_82931@S3.cableone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <077BB8E0-B15C-4226-AA66-F4DC0C903CEF@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Y2K5 - Photo URL Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 10:36:43 -0700 To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:40:21 +0000 (UTC) The following URL works in Safari, Firefox, and Netscape. The JavaScript that drives the page doesn't seen to work in IE. (I've notified the author of the JavaScript.) http://y2k5.grubmah.com The pictures run through mid-afternoon on Saturday. I've got several hundred more pictures to go through and will be posting more in the next day or so. Mark On Oct 8, 2005, at 1:21 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > We'll get back to you on this...the server is not showing the > pictures yet. > > Kris > > > > > On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 13:08 , Kris Hartung sent: > > Y2K5 photos are now available at: > > http://grubmah.com/y2k5 > > These will get updated as the day goes forward. > > Mark Hamburg (borrowing an e-mail account) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 19:12:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 143793BF05; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:12:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [63.157.167.107] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Weg" Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:08:54 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K5 ends X-Mailer: Webmail Version 3.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J41c6.167eS.2781M" Message-Id: <20051010.110945.25915.141908@webmail27.nyc.untd.com> X-ContentStamp: 2:1:3141681260 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: wE15mMxaCGcgAmJ0SX8ttQxE3Ix7FvY4dTPfe3HlMNRBTvYPNYPFxQ== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.141.27.167|webmail27.nyc.untd.com|outbound21-sr.nyc.untd.com|theweg@netzero.com X-UNTD-STORE-INFO:CRC:2:1:3141681260 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:12:36 +0000 (UTC) ----__JWM__J41c6.167eS.2781M Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Wow, what a show! I listened to most of Saturdays show and recorded some of it too. Rick you did a great job with all that you had going on, my congradulations, and thanks to Krispen for the webcast which allowed me to listen to what I missed. Sunday night was great too but web traffic kept me buffering on and off until 10:00ish EST. It was great to finally hear some of you play after years of reading emails. What a great online community we share. I am totally inspired by the weekends listening activities and with any luck may be invited and able to make next year. So many talented people on this list, each with a different expressive musical voice singing like a bird in the night. It really made my weekend to finally get the chance to listen, thanks again Krispen. We like to dream in WV and with all that fall beautiful scenery and the wonderful sounds coming from my laptop I was inspired to play along with some of the sets, what fun! Feeling the love from Santa Cruz! 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   Wow, what a show!  I listened to most of Saturdays show and recorded some of it too.  Rick you did a great job with all that you had going on, my congradulations, and thanks to Krispen for the webcast which allowed me to listen to what I missed.  Sunday night was great too but web traffic kept me buffering on and off until 10:00ish EST.  It was great to finally hear some of you play after years of reading emails.  What a great online community we share.  I am totally inspired by the weekends listening activities and with any luck may be invited and able to make next year.  So many talented people on this list, each with a different expressive musical voice singing like a bird in the night.  It really made my weekend to finally get the chance to listen, thanks again Krispen.  We like to dream in WV and with all that fall beautiful scenery and the wonderful sounds coming from my laptop I was inspired to play along with some of the sets, what fun!  Feeling the love from Santa Cruz!

 

Peace,

Weg

----__JWM__J41c6.167eS.2781M-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 19:39:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0043B3BF14; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:39:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 10 Oct 2005 19:39:44 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:39:44 -0500 Subject: Re: Y2K5 ends X-Originating-Ip: 69.110.47.220 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20051010193944.1335B3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:39:45 +0000 (UTC) WOW!!! indeed. Thanks SOOOOOO much to Rick for his amazing efforts to pull= this off, to Kris Hartung for streaming the audio, to Bill Walker for sett= ing up the sound system at the last minute venue, and to everyone who playe= d, took photos, worked the door, helped clean up, etc.,etc. It took a lot = of people to make this happen. I am so inspired after Sunday's show that I= came into my studio early this morning and tackled some mundane rewiring a= nd remodeling tasks that I've been putting off for months. Now on to makin= g music!!!! Hooray for music!! Joe Rut ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Y2K5 ends Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 03:07:05 -0700 >=20 > WOW!!!!!!!!!! >=20 > that's all I can say, except that the annual loopers luncheon will=20 > be at the Walnut Street Cafe today (monday) at 1:00 p.m. > (that's at Walnut Street one street over from the venue). >=20 > then if you are still around, we'll go invade Goth night for the=20 > Loopers afterparty (Blue Lagoon - 10:30 p.m.) >=20 > I'm going to sleep for a long time now. >=20 > r. --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 19:40:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EB823BF11; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:40:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <19491.4.21.132.136.1128973219.squirrel@www.darenburns.com> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 12:40:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Thanks for Y2K5 Festival From: "Daren Burns" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: daren@darenburns.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:40:17 +0000 (UTC) Although I am more of a lurker here on the LD list I'd like to take this opportunity to say thanks to Rick Walker for inviting me to play this years festival and putting the whole thing on and persevering through the "Man's" permit BS. It's not an easy event to put on. I'd also like to thank Bill Walker, Kris Hartung, Rodent, Chris (at the front door on Saturday, I forget his last name), plus anyone else I forgot, for all of their hard work in helping out with the festival. I'm glad I got to meet a few of you and wish I could of hungout more. I really enjoyed listening to everybodys performances on Saturday, I had to take off early on Sunday, but listened to the stream when I got home at about 6pm and heard some more great music. Seeing people from all over the world really made the drive back to Los Angeles seem short in comparison. Thanks again! -- Daren Burns Bass Player/Composer/Teacher/Good Guy http://www.darenburns.com http://www.darknumbers.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 20:17:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 369FA3BF15; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 20:17:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=AJn3u1/rfzN7pKo8dRYMlOBvnkvIn9n9qShpdgc9ZiuGy+Zvx2fsmPb3hg5N0l7dvIQzVreEMvtKONat+miF+ix1j3LLmIivOXShzSf4z5of3AuF/PGIpdcXFxY5dBoFoXuy4TDDzQmuHw1T0IjQGg7wTwGiro8bvB0SUP+iVVs= ; Message-ID: <20051010201658.20985.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:16:58 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: why do we loop? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200510072319.j97NJBk06534@minds-eye.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 20:17:00 +0000 (UTC) --- Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > I suppose the best would be to have a studio in a > place big enough to > have people over who like to hang out and hear > strange live music being > created. > > Kevin Come on over! __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 20:32:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 982B83BF26; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 20:32:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007601c5cdd9$c60b6500$eac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20051010193944.1335B3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Subject: Re: Y2K5 ends (my personal aftermath) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:32:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.611111 Aspam=1.6 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 344, in=138909, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 20:32:51 +0000 (UTC) I agree on the inspiration, Joe. Every time I see this many performers in a row, there are inevitably a few that get me thinking seriously (or obsessively) about something...trying something new, going back to something old, mixing things up, questioning, validating, contradicting, etc. This time, Philipp "zurrigo" Zürcher, who I thought put on a mind-blowing performance, even despite the fact that he lost his EDP and had to program a new one 15 min. before his set (and continually programmed it throughout his performance) really planted a seed in my gut and psyche....got me thinking how I've really neglected my jazz and avant-garde jazz background and influence with my recent looping performances...how much I've turned to technology, gadgetry, and VST effects to produce my sound, rather than just the notes of the instrument itself (though ironically I love it all! I love toys!). I have a gig coming up in Boise next week...I am actually thinking of taking just one EDP, my hollow body electric, and one speaker, just to prove that I can actually play my damn instrument again and make music with my own flesh and blood, like Philipp. And what he had to do on that first song is an intense existential phenomenon I think...something I've experienced myself, and I really felt for him....where I too lost my looping gear minutes before a set, and had to play solo. It made me feel really vulnerable and exposed, and periodically inadequate as a musician that I didn't actually have a non-solo looping set worked up....that as an artist and a musical identify, I could actually be dependent on technology to express myself comfortably. So to see someone lose their tool and still be able to make amazing music is for me, personally and emotively, a defining experience that forces me back to my roots, and makes me think hard how I can bring the two worlds back together again....like what Joe Morris might do with an EDP, man.....doesn't need no freakin' mammoth stack of VST effects, Eventide, or 10 minutes of layered loops to finally make a musical point. Again, I love it all here...just conveying my internal conflict and strife....you've all done it, probably. Just too much music drilled into my head from those webcast headphones all weekend. I've overwhelmed....desensitized, confused, in awe.... I'm not making any judgments here, just expressing my introspections on how the music made me feel as a looper and artist. I'm purposively contradicting myself. That's how I work things out and evolve. It is always bitter-sweet for me after these events. I walk away rejoicing in the diversity and amazing talent, but weighed down with deep thoughts, self-doubt, internal conflict, etc. And Joe/Lucio - I really enjoyed your set too....very intense and free. I also liked Ghost7's set...some really innovative stuff on the bass. And of course, Rick never stops amazing me with what he can do with just about any household item for looping, and how he does so with such free, amost child-like glee and purity. I usually like the free improv more than composed works, but this time my awe came from both sides. Many others I liked...just can't think straight to get it in email now....plus I'm still stuck in the freakin' airport - 7 hour delay. ...I have to re-think things now. I'm just getting more disturbed as I write more.... Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe rut" To: Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 1:39 PM Subject: Re: Y2K5 ends WOW!!! indeed. Thanks SOOOOOO much to Rick for his amazing efforts to pull this off, to Kris Hartung for streaming the audio, to Bill Walker for setting up the sound system at the last minute venue, and to everyone who played, took photos, worked the door, helped clean up, etc.,etc. It took a lot of people to make this happen. I am so inspired after Sunday's show that I came into my studio early this morning and tackled some mundane rewiring and remodeling tasks that I've been putting off for months. Now on to making music!!!! Hooray for music!! Joe Rut ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Y2K5 ends Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 03:07:05 -0700 > > WOW!!!!!!!!!! > > that's all I can say, except that the annual loopers luncheon will > be at the Walnut Street Cafe today (monday) at 1:00 p.m. > (that's at Walnut Street one street over from the venue). > > then if you are still around, we'll go invade Goth night for the > Loopers afterparty (Blue Lagoon - 10:30 p.m.) > > I'm going to sleep for a long time now. > > r. -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 20:38:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 309BA3BF2D; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 20:38:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OB1lEkfpcLyKKWiF7VvjzBPUxHcLEwX9ZLFk2Z3dsBz8IoOvyHZIQNcABL0L4zl1HYXWueRIfNo5h0yaLdqM4etlCxVbGatPysedk/tl6TKQsPG/yBB1AxC/rtQ8caNJiFlcjQ27i7RXWjIPggPQtC1fC9SYiBMMi5BDNe8V44M= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:38:56 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K5 ends (my personal aftermath) In-Reply-To: <007601c5cdd9$c60b6500$eac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051010193944.1335B3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> <007601c5cdd9$c60b6500$eac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 20:38:59 +0000 (UTC) So much for the necessity of true stereo... TravisH On 10/10/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > > I have a gig coming up in Boise next week...I am actually thinking > of taking just one EDP, my hollow body electric, and one speaker, just to > prove that I can actually play my damn instrument again and make music wi= th > my own flesh and blood... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 20:40:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 346AE3BF34; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 20:40:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=awcdeASou6FmzXAsJuWTlwIv2xQvZiHS+IhhroElHR6BYeynXlRsK93MtrXfa7Zt0EHqdy0DGBdXsMsSqccO2Uy/dTNNElOcXiw5meFdv9XfCKkPaTKnVBu/biJdWzruDvPlPPkvoToH6SBoarTyPBwMNIeL/hHghVj7fhoh4bg= ; Message-ID: <20051010204000.65183.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:40:00 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: why do we play live? (mini Adrian Belew review too!) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <197.4880ae8b.307b1e46@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 20:40:01 +0000 (UTC) I hear you Ted. Oh I hear you. Though, oddly enough I've enjoyed your performances each time I've seen you. Here's another bit: Why do I go see live music? Friday I went to see Adrian Belew at Slim's in SF. As always Adrian was great. He seems comfortable and downright gleeful on stage running through his set. However, I left thinking I'd never go to another show again. Why? A few reasons. One: TOO FUCKING LOUD. I'm sick of going to shows that are so loud you need ear protection. Your choice is then to hurt yourself or hear a muddy muffled version. When shows can cost as much as $80 a ticket (Hi Prince!) you'd think a well balanced audio set up can be expected, but this is rarely the case in my experience. I've been at Adrian Belew and King Crimson shows that were so loud I needed ear protection. Two: Over zealous dancers. Friday night much of the time was spent trying to get away from or ignore to smelly idiots who seem to think that dancing wildly in a crowded club is OK. To them: I'm sorry your father never paid attention to you and I know you feel that no one loves you, but regardless, we didn't come to see you so please settle down and enjoy the show. Do aerobics at your gym. Three: I'm 5'7" and my girlfriend is 5'. We had a hard time seeing a damn thing most of the night. So, I've kind of sworn myself off live music for the time being. Each time I go I end up disappointed. Maybe this is why I generally avoid playing live as well. --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Well, > > As some one who just played Y2K3 last night and who > is currently > listening to the live stream of Billy "Gee-tar Man" > Walker -- sweeping > the floor of all other pretenders -- I have to say > definatively . . . > > I dunno . . . > > It's a kind of "mountain" that I psych myself up to > climb a half dozen > times (sometimes more, sometmes less) a year. I am > very seldom > ever satisfied with these "climbing" experiences. I > too often go ill > prepared (or equipped) and wind up sliding halfway > down a glacier > on my sorry ass. Sometimes it happens even when I am > perfectly > well prepared and outfitted too. > > The rare "satisfying" performances seem to come > entirely at > random and unexpectly. There seems to be no > "science" to it. All > of my disciplined preperations (if and when I apply > myself) seem > to have little to no affect on the outcome actually. > They seem > to amount to little more than a more elaborate form > of "crossing > my fingers" and/or some sort of offeratory to the > gods of "guilt" > and "responsibility." And . . . I don't want t let > anyone down. > > I suppose I perform live because I keep hoping for > that next repeat > of the rare, blissful, play-my-ass-off, > my-fingers-can-do-no-wrong, > where-the-hell-is-this-music-coming-from (surely not > me?) experience. > For only having had a taste of it a few times I am > still certainly addicted > nonetheless. I need it now as surely as a junky > needs a fix. > > But why? God, I wish I knew. Sometimes I think I'd > go into rehab and > "take the cure" to be rid of it for all the grief > it's caused me. Then, > at other times, I'd trade my left nut to taste of > that bliss again. > > Best regards, > > tEd ® kiLLiAn > > PS. Buy "Flux Aeterna" from CDBaby during the months > of September > and October and all of my portion of the profits > will be automatically > donated to the Red Cross by CDBaby specifically for > Gulf Coast > hurricane relief. > > "Different is not always better, but better is > always different" > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: > Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, > Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, > Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, > Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. > So??? > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 20:47:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22F0F3BF2B; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 20:47:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cdRGDaUMzAO85SLdEbn7ylBJhIlh+rSzVQwrLIf4RK2cG6k5uh7UNerx+gHWP7SWo5RHQpjiu0wdSzrhBCixSP3LyiYWWaqEK45u8odL8BthZRYMu7Oe8bZEZiOP2jg1oIUsWFIobiwGGICYNyLyXa6W8JFk81tlyLPLYyeLJV8= ; Message-ID: <20051010204748.17162.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:47:48 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: why do we loop? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200510072319.j97NJBk06534@minds-eye.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <4jMdjC.A.i9G.4NtSDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 20:47:53 +0000 (UTC) --- Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > I suppose the best would be to have a studio in a > place big enough to > have people over who like to hang out and hear > strange live music being > created. > > Kevin Come on over! __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 20:50:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D457D3BF2A; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 20:50:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009201c5cddc$3c3199f0$eac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20051010193944.1335B3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> <007601c5cdd9$c60b6500$eac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Y2K5 ends (my personal aftermath) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:50:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 346, in=143036, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 20:50:28 +0000 (UTC) Exactly. And the next week I'll be playing quadraphonic if I can (well, not really, but that would be cool), and that will be what I dump my passion into. The object is not important necessarily, but the passion for me. It means when you trace back through my thoughts and feelings, I contradict myself, but never at the same moment, only in the juxtaposition of time. It's when I find myself playing and pushing the same shit over and over again that I start questioning whether I'm an artist or a musical widget maker, when I start feeling like a cover musician of my own music...even in the improv context, this can happen. So everyone once in a while, I go through a personal "paradigm" shift....it's a necessary purging for me...still not sure whether that will happen now, but I'm teetering. We'll see. The cool thing is change and evolution. I dig it. I hope to be playing something radically different in a few years...if not, my brain has LOOPs set 1....not good for me. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 2:38 PM Subject: Re: Y2K5 ends (my personal aftermath) So much for the necessity of true stereo... TravisH On 10/10/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > > I have a gig coming up in Boise next week...I am actually thinking > of taking just one EDP, my hollow body electric, and one speaker, just to > prove that I can actually play my damn instrument again and make music with > my own flesh and blood... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 20:57:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C3363BF3A; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 20:57:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=P0BoCED4gJDQ1jcwgBEOgWylZfM0YQraZc9oCEMMsfhBa4XKx6nFPhzKkU39crh7wX9X2+3wuvLKXS1we3kCMvbAsSDiNFBHSeKc2y7Zt6DHFkih93raehtO7IuGwMvHYUb1zEEfD3tj6bt4ibtV6/PQP0ZJOF/RbZ1EsJZHjRk= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:57:26 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K5 ends (my personal aftermath) In-Reply-To: <009201c5cddc$3c3199f0$eac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051010193944.1335B3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> <007601c5cdd9$c60b6500$eac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <009201c5cddc$3c3199f0$eac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 20:57:28 +0000 (UTC) "Digicorp Product Development, how can I help you?" "Bob, this is J.P. in Business Development--remember that true stereo looping box I hot-footed you on last week?" "Sure J.P., it's almost ready to go." "Roundfile that puppy, our test market decided it was just a phase." "Roger that J.P.!" On 10/10/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > Exactly. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 20:59:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D5BD3BF12; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 20:59:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <20051010204000.65183.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051010204000.65183.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: why do we play live? (mini Adrian Belew review too!) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:59:21 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: <0EsKtC.A.McH.sYtSDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 20:59:24 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 10, 2005, at 22:40, mark sottilaro wrote: > One: TOO FUCKING LOUD. I'm sick of going to shows > that are so loud you need ear protection. ! I can recommend a very good type of musician ear protection plugs that are casted in soft silicon by the shape of your ears. You can choose between -15 dB or -20 dB filters without any reduction of the high frequencies. I bought mine eleven years ago and they still give me great musical pleasure. You have to deal with it or stay out of it ;-) > > Two: Over zealous dancers. Not much you can do except staying out of their way ;-) It's better though than people at clubs sneaking drugs into your drink. All the best Per (today with a positive view) ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 21:50:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D9DB3BF13; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:50:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QolJrj7A1lcMUCoVSrHkV2Zj4mZZmg3MeHpY5gVSMUfPi6snqfr3YBUofDlRgxex/OH5CznKLT4O3bF1QEmklYfoHjlZ2s4P91RqUa3BmPPnu7/H9qkcWgcLWBz0nhIFo/lmkI6VDSJrprg/Etvne0G2TS/HlsliWOVGC21YbAk= ; Message-ID: <20051010215023.83387.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:50:23 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Live looping: Adrian Belew To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8C956B9C-6DE6-4448-B43C-5DBF562AF514@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <3jMxfB.A.wDB.iIuSDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:50:26 +0000 (UTC) Saw Adrian Belew Friday night at Slim's in SF. Other than the too loud and crowded aspects of the show (as noted in the last email), Adrian was great... mostly. His playing always seems a little more sloppy live, but that can be expected as he's got such a magnetic stage presence it's just fun to watch him. He always seems like he's having a great time on stage and enjoying his guitar antics as much as the audience is, but not in a full of himself way. He was part of a 3 piece band that included a bass player and drummer. For several parts of the show he looped a phrase and soloed over it. As an audience member I thought those moments were by far the weakest of the show. The non evolving looping riff (Elephant Talk and Frame By Frame come to mind) with the band backing his solos... just seemed kind of canned. Franky I'd rather he just left it out and let the highly capable bass player and drummer keep it going while he went off. So that's my take on things, your milage may vary. I'd just rather see looping as a feature, not a patch for lack of band members. Mark __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 21:51:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E7993BF2C; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:51:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <12761882.1128981101134.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:51:41 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: why do we play live? (mini Adrian Belew review too!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:51:42 +0000 (UTC) Mark I am beginning to get to the same place. I understand the need to move and = physically express joy to music. A very necessary thing at some level. On t= he other hand, being so cluster-f*ckingly self absorbed as to dance into pe= ople and being completely disrespectful of their personal space and enjoym= ent of the concert is just plain unacceptable. Most of these particular fol= k are on some manner of chemically-based agenda in relation to the music. I= 've no problem with that, being that I've enjoyed certain moments of chemic= ally induced musical appreciation on many an occasion, though that is no lo= nger a possibility while trying to go to school and pay a mortgage. The who= le self-absorbed aspect of that manner of behaviour seems off-putting. It a= ll boils down to basic respect for the artist and your fellow audiwnce memb= ers. And unfortunately, there is a complete drought of such behaviour. I am= to the point where I only go to see live music 7-10 times a year any more.= Too many headaches, including parking, price, other concert-goers, onward= s to poor sound quality and crap venues. What about you? I realize alot of = this is a function of age and am willing to be consider an old f*rt. Ideas? He who lurks......... Todd -----Original Message----- From: mark sottilaro Sent: Oct 10, 2005 2:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: why do we play live? (mini Adrian Belew review too!) I hear you Ted. Oh I hear you. Though, oddly enough I've enjoyed your performances each time I've seen you. Here's another bit: Why do I go see live music? Friday I went to see Adrian Belew at Slim's in SF. As always Adrian was great. He seems comfortable and downright gleeful on stage running through his set.=20 However, I left thinking I'd never go to another show again. Why? A few reasons. One: TOO FUCKING LOUD. I'm sick of going to shows that are so loud you need ear protection. Your choice is then to hurt yourself or hear a muddy muffled version. When shows can cost as much as $80 a ticket (Hi Prince!) you'd think a well balanced audio set up can be expected, but this is rarely the case in my experience. I've been at Adrian Belew and King Crimson shows that were so loud I needed ear protection. Two: Over zealous dancers. Friday night much of the time was spent trying to get away from or ignore to smelly idiots who seem to think that dancing wildly in a crowded club is OK. To them: I'm sorry your father never paid attention to you and I know you feel that no one loves you, but regardless, we didn't come to see you so please settle down and enjoy the show. Do aerobics at your gym. Three: I'm 5'7" and my girlfriend is 5'. We had a hard time seeing a damn thing most of the night. So, I've kind of sworn myself off live music for the time being. Each time I go I end up disappointed.=20 Maybe this is why I generally avoid playing live as well. --- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > Well, >=20 > As some one who just played Y2K3 last night and who > is currently=20 > listening to the live stream of Billy "Gee-tar Man" > Walker -- sweeping=20 > the floor of all other pretenders -- I have to say > definatively . . .=20 >=20 > I dunno . . . >=20 > It's a kind of "mountain" that I psych myself up to > climb a half dozen=20 > times (sometimes more, sometmes less) a year. I am > very seldom=20 > ever satisfied with these "climbing" experiences. I > too often go ill=20 > prepared (or equipped) and wind up sliding halfway > down a glacier=20 > on my sorry ass. Sometimes it happens even when I am > perfectly=20 > well prepared and outfitted too.=20 >=20 > The rare "satisfying" performances seem to come > entirely at=20 > random and unexpectly. There seems to be no > "science" to it. All=20 > of my disciplined preperations (if and when I apply > myself) seem=20 > to have little to no affect on the outcome actually. > They seem=20 > to amount to little more than a more elaborate form > of "crossing=20 > my fingers" and/or some sort of offeratory to the > gods of "guilt"=20 > and "responsibility." And . . . I don't want t let > anyone down. >=20 > I suppose I perform live because I keep hoping for > that next repeat > of the rare, blissful, play-my-ass-off, > my-fingers-can-do-no-wrong, > where-the-hell-is-this-music-coming-from (surely not > me?) experience. > For only having had a taste of it a few times I am > still certainly addicted=20 > nonetheless. I need it now as surely as a junky > needs a fix. >=20 > But why? God, I wish I knew. Sometimes I think I'd > go into rehab and=20 > "take the cure" to be rid of it for all the grief > it's caused me. Then, > at other times, I'd trade my left nut to taste of > that bliss again. >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > tEd =AE kiLLiAn >=20 > PS. Buy "Flux Aeterna" from CDBaby during the months > of September > and October and all of my portion of the profits > will be automatically > donated to the Red Cross by CDBaby specifically for > Gulf Coast > hurricane relief. >=20 > "Different is not always better, but better is > always different" >=20 > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 >=20 > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: > Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, > Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, > Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, > Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. > So??? >=20 =09 =09=09 __________________________________=20 Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005=20 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 21:53:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BADB23BF38; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:53:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ngGIojADIZPLWxud5nTN/q1nmVPexgiOs8S7jnPZ8F6lic/o6QGZUySy8k80pyfx2fl1HRzKaekjL7O3JByLfD9Cq/lAbLmqaHS6ZgXa1BygRpzSi/uKTRxQp8Dy9Kxdz7EaoWBMvLBvgIlJPE5b/X7QjEiLNoKM7MYcEnCwMAA= ; Message-ID: <20051010215337.84051.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 14:53:37 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: why do we play live? (mini Adrian Belew review too!) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7uFs9.A.6OB.jLuSDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:53:39 +0000 (UTC) --- Per Boysen wrote: > I can recommend a very good type of musician ear > protection plugs > that are casted in soft silicon by the shape of your > ears. Do tell? URL? > > Two: Over zealous dancers. > > Not much you can do except staying out of their way > ;-) It's better though than people at clubs sneaking drugs into your > drink. Depends on the drug, I say. ;) I'd probably have had an easier time ignoring them if I could see and hear well though. Mark __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 21:59:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 971083BF45; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:59:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <434AE425.4040008@pdq.net> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:59:01 -0500 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: why do we play live? (mini Adrian Belew review too!) References: <12761882.1128981101134.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <12761882.1128981101134.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:59:04 +0000 (UTC) After they bump into you the first time, use a well placed leg to send=20 them on their asses. Do it again if they come by again. And again. Even the most stoned moron will figure it out. Dig PS - maybe this ethic comes from my punk rock roots, where the pit was=20 the pit, but if you went too far astray, you got what you deserved. Todd Howell wrote: >Mark > >I am beginning to get to the same place. I understand the need to move a= nd physically express joy to music. A very necessary thing at some level.= On the other hand, being so cluster-f*ckingly self absorbed as to dance = into people and being completely disrespectful of their personal space a= nd enjoyment of the concert is just plain unacceptable. Most of these par= ticular folk are on some manner of chemically-based agenda in relation to= the music. I've no problem with that, being that I've enjoyed certain mo= ments of chemically induced musical appreciation on many an occasion, tho= ugh that is no longer a possibility while trying to go to school and pay = a mortgage. The whole self-absorbed aspect of that manner of behaviour se= ems off-putting. It all boils down to basic respect for the artist and yo= ur fellow audiwnce members. And unfortunately, there is a complete drough= t of such behaviour. I am to the point where I only go to see live music = 7-10 times a year any more. Too many headaches, including parking, price,= other concert-goers, onwards to poor sound quality and crap venues. Wha= t about you? I realize alot of this is a function of age and am willing t= o be consider an old f*rt. > >Ideas? > >He who lurks......... > >Todd > >-----Original Message----- >From: mark sottilaro >Sent: Oct 10, 2005 2:40 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: why do we play live? (mini Adrian Belew review too!) > >I hear you Ted. Oh I hear you. Though, oddly enough >I've enjoyed your performances each time I've seen >you. > >Here's another bit: > >Why do I go see live music? > >Friday I went to see Adrian Belew at Slim's in SF. As >always Adrian was great. He seems comfortable and >downright gleeful on stage running through his set.=20 >However, I left thinking I'd never go to another show >again. Why? A few reasons. > >One: TOO FUCKING LOUD. I'm sick of going to shows >that are so loud you need ear protection. Your choice >is then to hurt yourself or hear a muddy muffled >version. When shows can cost as much as $80 a ticket >(Hi Prince!) you'd think a well balanced audio set up >can be expected, but this is rarely the case in my >experience. I've been at Adrian Belew and King >Crimson shows that were so loud I needed ear >protection. > >Two: Over zealous dancers. Friday night much of the >time was spent trying to get away from or ignore to >smelly idiots who seem to think that dancing wildly in >a crowded club is OK. To them: I'm sorry your father >never paid attention to you and I know you feel that >no one loves you, but regardless, we didn't come to >see you so please settle down and enjoy the show. Do >aerobics at your gym. > >Three: I'm 5'7" and my girlfriend is 5'. We had a >hard time seeing a damn thing most of the night. > >So, I've kind of sworn myself off live music for the >time being. Each time I go I end up disappointed.=20 >Maybe this is why I generally avoid playing live as >well. > >--- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > > =20 > >>Well, >> >>As some one who just played Y2K3 last night and who >>is currently=20 >>listening to the live stream of Billy "Gee-tar Man" >>Walker -- sweeping=20 >>the floor of all other pretenders -- I have to say >>definatively . . .=20 >> >>I dunno . . . >> >>It's a kind of "mountain" that I psych myself up to >>climb a half dozen=20 >>times (sometimes more, sometmes less) a year. I am >>very seldom=20 >>ever satisfied with these "climbing" experiences. I >>too often go ill=20 >>prepared (or equipped) and wind up sliding halfway >>down a glacier=20 >>on my sorry ass. Sometimes it happens even when I am >>perfectly=20 >>well prepared and outfitted too.=20 >> >>The rare "satisfying" performances seem to come >>entirely at=20 >>random and unexpectly. There seems to be no >>"science" to it. All=20 >>of my disciplined preperations (if and when I apply >>myself) seem=20 >>to have little to no affect on the outcome actually. >>They seem=20 >>to amount to little more than a more elaborate form >>of "crossing=20 >>my fingers" and/or some sort of offeratory to the >>gods of "guilt"=20 >>and "responsibility." And . . . I don't want t let >>anyone down. >> >>I suppose I perform live because I keep hoping for >>that next repeat >>of the rare, blissful, play-my-ass-off, >>my-fingers-can-do-no-wrong, >>where-the-hell-is-this-music-coming-from (surely not >>me?) experience. >>For only having had a taste of it a few times I am >>still certainly addicted=20 >>nonetheless. I need it now as surely as a junky >>needs a fix. >> >>But why? God, I wish I knew. Sometimes I think I'd >>go into rehab and=20 >>"take the cure" to be rid of it for all the grief >>it's caused me. Then, >>at other times, I'd trade my left nut to taste of >>that bliss again. >> >>Best regards, >> >>tEd =AE kiLLiAn >> >>PS. Buy "Flux Aeterna" from CDBaby during the months >>of September >>and October and all of my portion of the profits >>will be automatically >>donated to the Red Cross by CDBaby specifically for >>Gulf Coast >>hurricane relief. >> >>"Different is not always better, but better is >>always different" >> >>http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html >>http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian >>http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html >>http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina >> >> =20 >> >http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 > =20 > >http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 > =20 > >http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 > =20 > >>Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: >>Apple iTunes, >>BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, >>Napster, >>AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, >>Etherstream, >>RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, >>Puretracks, >>and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. >>So??? >> >> =20 >> > > > >=09 > =09 >__________________________________=20 >Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005=20 >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > =20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 22:05:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D079E3BF2F; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:05:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <434AE5C0.00005D.03520@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:05:52 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_S106YPP66RO000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <20051010215337.84051.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: why do we play live? (mini Adrian Belew review too!) X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:05:54 +0000 (UTC) --------------Boundary-00=_S106YPP66RO000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My mom told me about these people...but I have never found one...and I ha= ve been looking!=0D =0D Sony=0D =0D =0D Not much you can do except staying out of their way=0D ;-) It's better though than people at clubs=0D sneaking drugs into your=0D drink.=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D __________________________________=0D Yahoo! 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My mom told me about these people...but I have never found one...and= I have been looking!
 
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Not much you can do except staying out of their way
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--------------Boundary-00=_S106YPP66RO000000000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 22:44:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7503D3BF3F; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:44:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20051010204000.65183.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:40:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: earplugs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3CAac.A.ZyC.p7uSDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:44:58 +0000 (UTC) At 10:59 PM +0200 10/10/05, Per Boysen wrote: >On Oct 10, 2005, at 22:40, mark sottilaro wrote: > >>One: TOO FUCKING LOUD. I'm sick of going to shows >>that are so loud you need ear protection. > >! > >I can recommend a very good type of musician ear protection plugs >that are casted in soft silicon by the shape of your ears. You can >choose between -15 dB or -20 dB filters without any reduction of the >high frequencies. I bought mine eleven years ago and they still give >me great musical pleasure. You have to deal with it or stay out of >it ;-) Etymotic Research: http://www.etymotic.com/ I have their regular earplugs and a set of earphones for my iPod (which I also use in the studio). I'm about to get a set of custom-molded plugs with two different filters (15 dB and 25 dB reduction). -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 22:45:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAE1F3BF28; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:45:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Adrian West" To: Subject: RE: Y2K5 ends Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:45:06 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000f01c5cd82$5e282920$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-ELNK-Trace: 5cae5941d33b27681aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec790171e5104b048011868ef66bf70dc8e8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 66.123.73.34 Resent-Message-ID: <9cskmC.A.62C.S8uSDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:45:38 +0000 (UTC) I really enjoyed the festival. It was great to meet and hear so many loopers and exchange ideas and inspiration. I was only able to stay for Saturday evening, but had I known how much fun I was going to have I'd have planned to be there the whole weekend. I'll know better next time. Thank you Rick for bringing us all together like this - I know it was a lot of work. Adrian West www.adrianwest.com -----Original Message----- From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 3:07 AM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: Y2K5 ends WOW!!!!!!!!!! that's all I can say, except that the annual loopers luncheon will be at the Walnut Street Cafe today (monday) at 1:00 p.m. (that's at Walnut Street one street over from the venue). then if you are still around, we'll go invade Goth night for the Loopers afterparty (Blue Lagoon - 10:30 p.m.) I'm going to sleep for a long time now. r. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 22:50:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCE4D3BF43; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:50:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" Subject: The PiNG presents Richard Crow and NAW Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:52:32 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000801c5cded$4ce3ade0$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:50:04 +0000 (UTC) THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday October 11th - Richard Crow and NAW UK based Richard Crow is an interdisciplinary artist who uses sound & noise in a performative way, for its spatial and subjective qualities and above all for its psychological implications for the listener. Past solo and collaborative site-specific installations & performances have consisted of highly conceptualized interventions into base materiality, investigations of alternative systems of organization=20 and research into a certain material decadence (as with the project The Institution of Rot, London 1993-96). The title of tonight's performance is "phantom music - an aural hallucination". http://www.elision.org.au/collaborators/crow.html=A0 In the second set NAW (aka Neil Wiernik) will be doing a rare live performance of some of his recent ambient material. NAW has working intercity with Aidan Baker and Nathan McNinch over the past year on a series of collaborative works, using the internet as a their medium.=20 This project draws on the lush guitar work of Aidan Baker, the spare minimalism of Nathan McNinch's piano work and the highly textured sound design work of Neil Wiernik. The project, initiated by NAW, is an exercise in conducting musicians without them being in the same room. Wiernik requested both artists to provide him with material played in a specific manner to be worked with in the studio as his compositional elements. The result is rich, sullen music reminiscent of artists found on Constellation, Kranky and the label NAW calls home - Noise Factory. This new work has only been performed in its entirety once, in Montreal, where reviews compared the material to the music of Godspeed, minus the rock instruments. NAW uses only a laptop, a midi controller and various software applications to manipulate and contort these sounds into cinematic works for your ears. http://www.naw.phoniq.net http://www.noisefactoryrecords.com/naw.htm Between Sets CD - "A Million Stories" by Sara Ayers Ayers new CD is a long-form work of dark haunting beauty. She has built this epic sound collage from samples, primarily vocal samples, and featuring her own angelic/demonic voice. http://www.saraayers.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday October 18th - Planet Of The Loops http://www.geocities.com/energymadeaudible/planet.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ||: IN THE LOOP :|| by Luna Tek It was a Worthy Fall Night indeed: a gorgeous autumn day was just the prelude to an evening of fine improvisational music at THE AMBIENT PING on Tuesday, October 4, 2005. =20 With pretty vocals and pink noise setting the tone for the series of poetic improvisations that followed, Building Castles out of Matchsticks (aka Anne Sulikowski) began this Worthy evening with a "subatomic space" odyssey. Moments of glitch interspersed with vocal treatments and samples heightened the sonic intensity as the set progressed. Beats and mesmerizing vocals introduced the playful pop-oriented second half of the performance, leaving a wistful audience wishing for more "studios in airplanes."=20 John Topp's set unfortunately had to be abandoned early on, due to some technical difficulties, as unintentional glitches began to create an eerie soundwall reminiscent of Hitchcock's film "The Birds."=20 Seven Worthy musicians and their synths, guitars, drums and effects machines filled the stage at the end of the night for one final set by Psychosomatic Climax Machine. Truly the climax of the evening, the Machine's lush set carried forward Anne's pop foray into post-rock territory to the delight of the PiNG audience. There was also an unexpected treat: Eric Siegerman took a break from his General Chaos Visuals duties to join the group on hand drums. Luna Tek - luna@theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Guzheng Music" by David Sait David Sait has made a name for himself within the Toronto music scene as an excellent improvisational guitarist. But with the releases of his latest CD "Guzheng Music", Sait has moved away from the guitar and instead collected ten tracks employing the guzheng, a traditional Chinese string instrument whose history dates back over 2500 years. It's quite interesting then that by traveling backwards in time in his choice of instrumentation, Sait has been able to move forward in both style and sound, creating a fresh and exciting new work. Sait's work with the guzheng is truly stunning, creating beautiful pieces that conjure a variety of images ranging from delicate flowing streams to powerful battles. Tones shift and notes bend, change forms, sliding from one point to another with a fluidity evocative of crystalline liquids. The guzheng's natural reverberence and echo add a haunting sense of space to the pieces, the feeling of a larger environment within the guzheng itself. Percussion appears intermittently as well, but it's used in different ways=20 than we've become accustomed to, more often than not as a means to travel from one location to another, rather than as a steady accompaniment. For the most part the guzheng stands alone, a dramatic and theatrical voice able to tell it's own stories without need for support. Throughout the disc, one can't help but be drawn into the magic of the guzheng, masterfully led by Sait's skill and natural ability with the instrument. "Guzheng Music" is a wonderful album filled with discovery and wonder, a beautiful travelogue of music and sounds, which while they have a long and rich history also remain very fresh and distinct in today's musical=20 environment. Who would have thought that something so ancient could sound so vital and new? Highly recommended. "Guzheng Music" by David Sait is available now at ping things http://www.pingthings.com/DAVIDSATEquzheng.htm - - - - - - - - - - - - ping things would like to thank you for all of your support in raising money for the American Red Cross during September. Over $500US was raised for the cause which will go towards relief efforts in New Orleans and the Gulf Coast. Thank you to all of the artists who supported our efforts by donating=20 earnings, and to all of you who bought a CD or two. It's truly wonderful to see so many people willing to make an effort to help others! rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com =3D ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 10 23:54:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 946203BF1E; Mon, 10 Oct 2005 23:54:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <019501c5cdf5$f26f01d0$eac9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Real-Time Email and IM Feedback on Y2K5 Performances Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:54:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0192_01C5CDC3.A74C9D20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 344, in=139072, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <46qpqB.A.FiG.28vSDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 23:54:30 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0192_01C5CDC3.A74C9D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, As promised, I've compiled some of the real-time feedback on the Y2K5 = performances. This is something else I was doing while monitoring the = stream levels and server. This is sort of interesting....it's like the = air traffic controller chatter going on in the background of a flight. = You get to see what folks were saying behind the scenes in cyberspace. = :) Some of this was posted to the LD list, some instant messages to and = from me.=20 Cheers, Kris p.s. I'm still at the airport waiting for my delayed flight...it's been = 7 hours. ************************************************************** 247767142: Greetings from New Jersey. Sounds funky! Krispenhartung: I'll pass it on to them! :) 247767142: Cool. 247767142: The sound is crisp and clear too. =20 247767142: Will New Jersey ever shake that accent? *JOKINGLY* Rock on guys! 247767142: Is this Matt Davignon on now?=20 Krispenhartung: Yes 247767142: Thans, I missed the change over. 247767142: Tell Rick I'm enjoying his improv here. :-) 247767142: Clap, clap, clap, clap... Krispenhartung: rick here, thanks a lot..................LOL Krispenhartung: 247767142: :-) 247767142: Atomic Moebius Machine is how many people? Krispenhartung: 3 *************************************************************** [17:13] Nemoguitt: hello [17:15] Nemoguitt: krispen.....this is fantastic!.....when will you be = doing the video along with the sound.....:)..... [17:17] krispenhartung: next year [17:18] Nemoguitt: koolness! [17:18] Nemoguitt: who is playing? [17:18] Nemoguitt: i lost the sig [17:19] krispenhartung: wally shnalle [17:19] Nemoguitt: i got a rebuffering stream message [17:21] Nemoguitt: .....thanks for this great listening=20 *************************************************************** [22:41] kris_hartung: Right now it is B. Beede...friends with R.Z...the = guy who passed away recently [22:42] bonkrz: Right. [22:42] kris_hartung: Oh yes, I guess you heard that! :) [22:42] kris_hartung: I am preoccupied with keeping the levels stable [22:42] bonkrz: :) [22:43] bonkrz: it sounds good on this end [22:43] kris_hartung: Excellent [22:48] bonkrz: is that Rick doing the intro? [22:48] kris_hartung: It is Andy [22:48] bonkrz: no, I mean Rick speaking [22:48] kris_hartung: Yes [22:49] bonkrz: this is SO cool. :) [22:49] kris_hartung: damn straight :) [22:58] bonkrz: volume is a bit low [22:58] kris_hartung: better now? [22:58] bonkrz: yup [22:58] kris_hartung: no compresion...I am the compressor....human = compressor [22:59] kris_hartung: :) [22:59] bonkrz: heh [23:06] bonkrz: YEAH! CLAP CLAP CLAP *************************************************************** [18:25] arsocarina: Hey there Kris. I'm already home. [18:25] arsocarina: Who is this playing? [18:25] krispenhartung: Cool. Tha was fast! [18:25] krispenhartung: Lumper/Splitter [18:26] krispenhartung: Pretty far out. [18:26] arsocarina: I just made it returning the rental car by 5:00pm. [18:26] arsocarina: Oh yeah. I shared a gig with them this past July. = Thery're pretty cool. [18:26] krispenhartung: Great.=20 [18:27] krispenhartung: really> [18:29] arsocarina: How has the day gone so far? Any bright spots? New = loooping "stars" to check out? [18:31] arsocarina: I'll try to keep listening as long as I can tothe = proceedings. Tell Rick Hello for me. [18:37] arsocarina: Hmmmm Suddenly the level just dropped. [18:40] arsocarina: Seems okay now. [18:58] arsocarina: Oops the sound dropped out again. [18:59] arsocarina: I guess Bill is between numbers [19:02] arsocarina: Billy W always blows me away. He has such great = tone, musical ideas and finesse.=20 *************************************************************** I'm listening to the shoutcast, and Ute's little video happened to come=20 on at the same time: http://www.studiocruz.com/anim-ute.html Nice combo...both masterful (singularly and together)! :-) I've played mixing bowls partly filled with water, but never as nicely=20 as Rick...thanks! David Portland, OR *************************************************************** This is Amar Chaudry right now? There was just the "most beautiful ugly = sound" in the world! ;-) The outfit just before (with the huge amount of gear according to Rick) = reminded me of my uncle (not a musically-educated person) commenting on = contemporary classical music: "I don't get it with Messiaen - he's got = over 100 people and by comparison, the Nono work I heard last week made = considerably more noise with less than half the people" ;-) Based on the = sheer amount of technical equipment, they didn't make that much weird = noise... It's off to bed for me now (just before midnight here, and getting up at = 0700 tomorrow) - hope the server doesn't crash, I'll try to save the = stream and have a listen tomorrow. Have a lot of fun, do continue creating Art (with a capital "a"), and = thanks for the listening experience to the artists as well as to you, = Kris! Rainer *************************************************************** this is wonderful!.....thanks kris.....sounds excellent.....:)m yes.....i hit the site and itunes came up with it also.....so = simple.....tell=20 everyone i say hello!.....wheeeeeeeeeee.....:)m http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci *************************************************************** Kris, I want to hear your 4:30 perf, but I'm leaving (it's sunny, and I HAVE=20 to go for a ride!!). I hope you record it...I'm not sure how to do it=20 at this end. Best wishes, and thanks for your role in this production...some really=20 interesting sounds coming in! David *************************************************************** >This is Lumper/Splitter...my kind of stuff, man. > >Kris just tuned in -wow! live looping from the other coast .... on my itunes - how awesome is = that!!!! I love the future! Tom *************************************************************** Just woke up and couldn't resist to check in on the performance - and just now, it's Rick's brother playing! Kris, please give my best to Rick Walker (as well as to Bill, and...hell, to all of you artists (including you, Kris))! Incredible to hear you all play! Rainer *************************************************************** Hey Kris- I wish I could have made it down there to the Loopfestival this weekend, = but schedules just didn't work out this year. I've been listening to the = webcast a bit today, and it sounds great. Thanks for putting that = together! Please say hello to everybody for me. Loop on! kim *************************************************************** >08:00 PM Bernhard Wagner > Gorgeous sounds!=20 David Auker ------=_NextPart_000_0192_01C5CDC3.A74C9D20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all,
 
As promised, I've compiled some of the = real-time=20 feedback on the Y2K5 performances. This is something else I was doing = while=20 monitoring the stream levels and server. This is sort of = interesting....it's=20 like the air traffic controller chatter going on in the background of a = flight.=20 You get to see what folks were saying behind the scenes in cyberspace. = :) =20 Some of this was posted to the LD list, some instant messages to and = from me.=20
 
Cheers,
 
Kris
 
p.s. I'm still at the airport waiting = for my=20 delayed flight...it's been 7 hours.
 
**************************************************************
 
247767142: Greetings from New Jersey. = Sounds=20 funky!
Krispenhartung: I'll pass it on to = them!=20 :)
247767142: Cool.
247767142: The sound is crisp and = clear=20 too. 
247767142: Will New Jersey ever = shake that=20 accent? *JOKINGLY*
  Rock on guys!
 
247767142: Is this Matt Davignon = on=20 now? 
Krispenhartung: Yes
247767142: Thans, I missed the = change=20 over.
247767142: Tell Rick I'm enjoying = his improv=20 here. :-)
247767142: Clap, clap, clap,=20 clap...
Krispenhartung: rick = here,   thanks=20 a lot..................LOL
Krispenhartung: <blush>
247767142: :-)
247767142: Atomic Moebius Machine = is how many=20 people?
Krispenhartung: 3
 
***************************************************************<= /FONT>
 
[17:13] Nemoguitt: hello
[17:15] = Nemoguitt:=20 krispen.....this is fantastic!.....when will you be doing the video = along with=20 the sound.....:).....
[17:17] krispenhartung: next year
[17:18] = Nemoguitt:=20 koolness!
[17:18] Nemoguitt: who is playing?
[17:18] Nemoguitt: i = lost the=20 sig
[17:19] krispenhartung: wally shnalle
[17:19] Nemoguitt: i got = a=20 rebuffering stream message
[17:21] Nemoguitt: .....thanks for this = great=20 listening
 
***************************************************************<= /FONT>
 
[22:41] kris_hartung: Right now it is = B.=20 Beede...friends with R.Z...the guy who passed away recently
[22:42] = bonkrz:=20 Right.
[22:42] kris_hartung: Oh yes, I guess you heard that! = :)
[22:42]=20 kris_hartung: I am preoccupied with keeping the levels stable
[22:42] = bonkrz:=20 :)
[22:43] bonkrz: it sounds good on this end
[22:43] = kris_hartung:=20 Excellent
[22:48] bonkrz: is that Rick doing the intro?
[22:48]=20 kris_hartung: It is Andy
[22:48] bonkrz: no, I mean Rick = speaking
[22:48]=20 kris_hartung: Yes
[22:49] bonkrz: this is SO cool. :)
[22:49]=20 kris_hartung: damn straight :)
[22:58] bonkrz: volume is a bit = low
[22:58]=20 kris_hartung: better now?
[22:58] bonkrz: yup
[22:58] = kris_hartung: no=20 compresion...I am the compressor....human compressor
[22:59] = kris_hartung:=20 :)
[22:59] bonkrz: heh
[23:06] bonkrz: YEAH! CLAP CLAP = CLAP
 
***************************************************************<= /FONT>
 
[18:25] arsocarina: Hey there Kris. I'm = already=20 home.
[18:25] arsocarina: Who is this playing?
[18:25] = krispenhartung:=20 Cool. Tha was fast!
[18:25] krispenhartung: = Lumper/Splitter
[18:26]=20 krispenhartung: Pretty far out.
[18:26] arsocarina: I just made it = returning=20 the rental car by 5:00pm.
[18:26] arsocarina: Oh yeah. I shared a gig = with=20 them this past July. Thery're pretty cool.
[18:26] krispenhartung: = Great.=20
[18:27] krispenhartung: really>
[18:29] arsocarina: How has = the day=20 gone so far? Any bright spots? New loooping "stars" to check = out?
[18:31]=20 arsocarina: I'll try to keep listening as long as I can tothe = proceedings. Tell=20 Rick Hello for me.
[18:37] arsocarina: Hmmmm Suddenly the level just=20 dropped.
[18:40] arsocarina: Seems okay now.
[18:58] arsocarina: = Oops the=20 sound dropped out again.
[18:59] arsocarina: I guess Bill is between=20 numbers
[19:02] arsocarina: Billy W always blows me away. He has such = great=20 tone, musical ideas and finesse.
 
***************************************************************<= /FONT>
 
 
I'm listening to the shoutcast, and = Ute's little=20 video happened to come
on at the same time:

http://www.studiocruz.com/anim-ute.html

Nice combo...both masterful (singularly and = together)! =20 :-)

I've played mixing bowls partly filled with water, but never = as=20 nicely
as Rick...thanks!

David
Portland, = OR
***************************************************************<= /FONT>
 
This = is Amar Chaudry=20 right now? There was just the "most beautiful ugly sound" in the world!=20 ;-)
 
The = outfit just=20 before (with the huge amount of gear according to Rick) reminded me of = my uncle=20 (not a musically-educated person) commenting on contemporary classical = music: "I=20 don't get it with Messiaen - he's got over 100 people and by comparison, = the=20 Nono work I heard last week made considerably more noise with less than = half the=20 people" ;-) Based on the sheer amount of technical equipment, they = didn't make=20 that much weird noise...
 
It's = off to bed for=20 me now (just before midnight here, and getting up at 0700 = tomorrow) - hope=20 the server doesn't crash, I'll try to save the stream and have a listen=20 tomorrow.
 
Have a = lot of fun,=20 do continue creating Art (with a capital "a"), and thanks for the = listening=20 experience to the artists as well as to you, Kris!
 
          =  =20 Rainer
 
***************************************************************<= /FONT>
 
this = is=20 wonderful!.....thanks kris.....sounds = excellent.....:)m
yes.....i hit the=20 site and itunes came up with it also.....so simple.....tell
everyone = i say=20 hello!.....wheeeeeeeeeee.....:)m

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci
***************************************************************<= /FONT>
 
Kris,

I want=20 to hear your 4:30 perf, but I'm leaving (it's sunny, and I HAVE
to = go for a=20 ride!!).  I hope you record it...I'm not sure how to do it
at = this=20 end.

Best wishes, and thanks for your role in this = production...some=20 really
interesting sounds coming = in!

David
***************************************************************<= /FONT>
 
>This is=20 Lumper/Splitter...my kind of stuff,=20 man.
>
>Kris

just tuned in -wow!
live looping from the other = coast ....=20 on my itunes -  how awesome is that!!!!
I love the=20 future!

Tom

***********************************************= ****************
 
Just woke up and couldn't resist to = check in on the=20 performance - and
just now, it's Rick's brother playing! Kris, please = give my=20 best to Rick
Walker (as well as to Bill, and...hell, to all of you = artists=20 (including
you, Kris))! Incredible to hear you all=20 play!

Rainer

 
***************************************************************<= /FONT>
Hey Kris-

I wish I could have = made it down=20 there to the Loopfestival this weekend,
but schedules just didn't = work out=20 this year. I've been listening to the
webcast a bit today, and it = sounds=20 great. Thanks for putting that together!

Please say hello to = everybody=20 for me. Loop=20 on!

kim

***************************************************= ************
 
>08:00 PM Bernhard = Wagner
>
Gorgeous=20 sounds!

David Auker
------=_NextPart_000_0192_01C5CDC3.A74C9D20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 11 01:44:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 475623BEFF; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 01:44:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=X3tQcbPHz4OdSfmxx25uz8tTgMlw8o3NiU8ACEYorCWZXvDfz4PAre+uzQIXEkCL; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; From: eutropic@mindspring.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Congrats to Rick and Y2K5! Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:44:51 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051009230042.04ad4da8@annihilist.com> In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051009230042.04ad4da8@annihilist.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200510101844.52040.eutropic@mindspring.com> X-ELNK-Trace: 9e62be84998e294f9c7f779228e2f6aeda0071232e20db4db027cdc884f701cfb1667befc8065d47350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.165.5.240 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 01:44:37 +0000 (UTC) On Sunday 09 October 2005 23:08, Kim Flint wrote: > Hey guys- > > I want to offer hearty congratulations to Rick and everybody who performed > and participated in the Y2K5 Loop festival this year! > I'll second that! The event was fantastic. Rick is a great promoter and advocate of the art and it might not of ever happened without him. And thanks to all who participated. I am one of the lucky ones who live near by I was able to drop-in and hang. It was a treat and a blessing to be there! Thank you Rick. Thank you all who played and contributed! Regards, Kamlapati www.circleroundthesun.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 11 03:22:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B586E3BF0C; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 03:22:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <4343226D.5070100@speakeasy.net> References: <4343226D.5070100@speakeasy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5ff644ad2fde6dc081925e7952b87b58@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: why do we loop? Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:22:04 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 03:22:11 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 4, 2005, at 7:46 PM, Dennis Montgomery wrote: > why do we loop? i don't know about you but i wanted to be robert fripp and david torn at the same time on keyboards. the other answer would of be that i have no choice. that this is the necessary tool not entirely unlike an actual Hammond console for the playing of organ jazz. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 11 04:28:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CB523BF00; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 04:28:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:28:21 -0800 Subject: Re: Live looping: Adrian Belew From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20051010215023.83387.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 04:28:43 +0000 (UTC) AB is the answer to the question for me. why we loop? i saw Adrian w/ the EH 16sec. delay/looper back in the eighties-HAD to get one-and i was off... then i read how David Torn lobbied David Byrne to replace Adrian in Talking Heads...didnt happen but...he had one of the 1st if not the 1st Lexicon PCM 42s modded by Gary Hall(later by Bob Sellon)-Had to get one... never looked back :-) AdrianBelew can do no wrong in my book. i've heard sounds by him on record and live that will never be created again-i think thats why he's always grinning on stage-its like..."it might happen tonite". s > Saw Adrian Belew Friday night at Slim's in SF. Other > than the too loud and crowded aspects of the show (as > noted in the last email), Adrian was great... mostly. > His playing always seems a little more sloppy live, > but that can be expected as he's got such a magnetic > stage presence it's just fun to watch him. He always > seems like he's having a great time on stage and > enjoying his guitar antics as much as the audience is, > but not in a full of himself way. > > He was part of a 3 piece band that included a bass > player and drummer. For several parts of the show he > looped a phrase and soloed over it. As an audience > member I thought those moments were by far the weakest > of the show. The non evolving looping riff (Elephant > Talk and Frame By Frame come to mind) with the band > backing his solos... just seemed kind of canned. > Franky I'd rather he just left it out and let the > highly capable bass player and drummer keep it going > while he went off. > > So that's my take on things, your milage may vary. > I'd just rather see looping as a feature, not a patch > for lack of band members. > > Mark > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Music Unlimited > Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 11 04:42:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24A703BF08; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 04:42:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Live looping: Adrian Belew Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 23:38:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 04:42:04 +0000 (UTC) > AdrianBelew can do no wrong in my book. I saw him live for the first time about a month ago. He opened for Eric Johnson at a local club. Definitely a great show, and he was having a great time on stage--just as you described it. I got to meet him afterwards back stage. He's a character...very funny, a bit nuts, and very gracious all at the same time. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 11 04:52:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA73C3BF01; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 04:52:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3nki@modaldub.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <200510101844.52040.eutropic@mindspring.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051009230042.04ad4da8@annihilist.com> <200510101844.52040.eutropic@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <42cebe36dd78afadfc588b9aa29ab5ac@modaldub.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: 3nki <3nki@modaldub.net> Subject: Re: Congrats to Rick and Y2K5! Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:52:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - space.dnsprotect.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - modaldub.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 04:52:49 +0000 (UTC) i was there Saturday afternoon and i must say it was very nice - quite varied and interesting performers and relaxed comfortable location. everything seemed very well organized. there was one guy i saw setting up i was curious about - unfortunately we went to eat and came back and i guess he had already played. he was using what looked like an old IBM WorkPad Z-50 to do something, perhaps run a slide projector? if anyone remembers this please let me know. i have a WorkPad Z-50 myself and it's a great little computer but i haven't been able to find much use for it in a long time, so any ideas would be great! excellent event! i loved the variety of people and their warm goodwill, and i will always remember the little kid asking "Daddy are you done yet?" after the guy playing 5-string fretless bass finished on Saturday (around 4pm, sorry don't know his name - it was a big guy with long hair and a sleeveless black vest if that helps ;). congratulations and thanks to the organizers! -jeff On Oct 10, 2005, at 6:44 PM, eutropic@mindspring.com wrote: > On Sunday 09 October 2005 23:08, Kim Flint wrote: >> Hey guys- >> >> I want to offer hearty congratulations to Rick and everybody who >> performed >> and participated in the Y2K5 Loop festival this year! >> > > I'll second that! The event was fantastic. Rick is a great promoter and > advocate of the art and it might not of ever happened without him. > And thanks to all who participated. I am one of the lucky ones who > live near > by I was able to drop-in and hang. It was a treat and a blessing to be > there! > > Thank you Rick. > > Thank you all who played and contributed! > > Regards, > Kamlapati > www.circleroundthesun.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 11 05:51:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AA7F3BF02; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 05:51:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 22:56:07 -0700 Subject: Re: Congrats to Rick and Y2K5! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Scott Drengsen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <42cebe36dd78afadfc588b9aa29ab5ac@modaldub.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 05:51:43 +0000 (UTC) > excellent event! i loved the variety of people and their warm > goodwill, and i will always remember the little kid asking "Daddy are > you done yet?" after the guy playing 5-string fretless bass finished > on Saturday (around 4pm, sorry don't know his name - it was a big guy > with long hair and a sleeveless black vest if that helps ;). > > uhm..That would be me.(it's a six string tho) And my son Jaya...Thank you for being there Scott Kungha Drengsen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 11 07:23:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB33A3BEFC; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:23:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <20051010215337.84051.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051010215337.84051.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2EC64DC8-D9D4-4E5C-B321-52B4A8A0D24A@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: why do we play live? (mini Adrian Belew review too!) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:23:02 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:23:06 +0000 (UTC) > -- Per Boysen wrote: > >> I can recommend a very good type of musician ear >> protection plugs >> that are casted in soft silicon by the shape of your >> ears. >> > On Oct 10, 2005, at 23:53, mark sottilaro wrote: > Do tell? URL? I'm afraid I don't know. I bought them locally here in Sweden, but I guess a similar product is available in every country. Look for advertising in musician magazines (for pro's, not the "gear oriented" mags). Or look for advice from a physician. I had to go to what in Sweden goes by the name "The Institute of Hearing Technology" and have a guy pour a quickly thickening fluid into my ears to take a measure of their internal shape. Then I had the plugs sent to me two weeks later and paid the bill. The soft silicon material is great for singers because you can shout like Mick Jagger without getting that awful ear plug chink that strikes your eardrum with loud noise bursts when you move your cheek. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 11 13:13:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F6233BEFA; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:13:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008b01c5ce65$94196c40$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051009230042.04ad4da8@annihilist.com> <200510101844.52040.eutropic@mindspring.com> <42cebe36dd78afadfc588b9aa29ab5ac@modaldub.net> Subject: Re: Congrats to Rick and Y2K5! Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:13:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 347, in=143327, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:13:38 +0000 (UTC) That was Herb Heinz and Tim Thompson. They were projecting Tim's (or was it Herb?) own looping program that he developed, which was very interesting, visually showed the loops in action, the code in anothe panel, etc. Is this right, Tim? Can you share your URL? I did record their set and burned it for them on CD-R, but will leave it to their discretion on whether they want to share it. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "3nki" <3nki@modaldub.net> To: Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 10:52 PM Subject: Re: Congrats to Rick and Y2K5! > i was there Saturday afternoon and i must say it was very nice - quite > varied and interesting performers and relaxed comfortable location. > everything seemed very well organized. > > there was one guy i saw setting up i was curious about - unfortunately > we went to eat and came back and i guess he had already played. he was > using what looked like an old IBM WorkPad Z-50 to do something, perhaps > run a slide projector? if anyone remembers this please let me know. i > have a WorkPad Z-50 myself and it's a great little computer but i > haven't been able to find much use for it in a long time, so any ideas > would be great! > > excellent event! i loved the variety of people and their warm goodwill, > and i will always remember the little kid asking "Daddy are you done > yet?" after the guy playing 5-string fretless bass finished on Saturday > (around 4pm, sorry don't know his name - it was a big guy with long > hair and a sleeveless black vest if that helps ;). > > congratulations and thanks to the organizers! > > -jeff > > > > > > > On Oct 10, 2005, at 6:44 PM, eutropic@mindspring.com wrote: > > > On Sunday 09 October 2005 23:08, Kim Flint wrote: > >> Hey guys- > >> > >> I want to offer hearty congratulations to Rick and everybody who > >> performed > >> and participated in the Y2K5 Loop festival this year! > >> > > > > I'll second that! The event was fantastic. Rick is a great promoter and > > advocate of the art and it might not of ever happened without him. > > And thanks to all who participated. I am one of the lucky ones who > > live near > > by I was able to drop-in and hang. It was a treat and a blessing to be > > there! > > > > Thank you Rick. > > > > Thank you all who played and contributed! > > > > Regards, > > Kamlapati > > www.circleroundthesun.com > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 11 14:45:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A342E3BF0F; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:45:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=MMalzEYBXFrMZgyascI6HSBBZn1BFemivIy0ZrFlcN7iWftjCiJYY/ZIDNKYvP45fYi2+ayBlXqic6jq+cVOXq5XpkHXFwOFToxih3mnEBBwERloxx1/T4R1cKVxEiSxvHf2DDmxm9qViGejsngCV2w23Y2QaxEzBSSYewiRqkQ= ; Message-ID: <004601c5ce72$66bfda10$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051009230042.04ad4da8@annihilist.com> <200510101844.52040.eutropic@mindspring.com> <42cebe36dd78afadfc588b9aa29ab5ac@modaldub.net> <008b01c5ce65$94196c40$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Congrats to Rick and Y2K5! Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:45:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:45:23 +0000 (UTC) Yeah! Kris, do you have recorded some others set? If they agree I would be interrested in some extracts. I was busy lately and "offline" for a couple of days so I completeley missed the webcast. Not sure however that with the time delay between you and Europe I would have been able to listen a lot anyway ;-) Seems to have been a great event. Ben. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:13 PM Subject: Re: Congrats to Rick and Y2K5! > That was Herb Heinz and Tim Thompson. They were projecting Tim's (or was > it > Herb?) own looping program that he developed, which was very interesting, > visually showed the loops in action, the code in anothe panel, etc. Is > this > right, Tim? Can you share your URL? I did record their set and burned it > for them on CD-R, but will leave it to their discretion on whether they > want > to share it. > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "3nki" <3nki@modaldub.net> > To: > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 10:52 PM > Subject: Re: Congrats to Rick and Y2K5! > > >> i was there Saturday afternoon and i must say it was very nice - quite >> varied and interesting performers and relaxed comfortable location. >> everything seemed very well organized. >> >> there was one guy i saw setting up i was curious about - unfortunately >> we went to eat and came back and i guess he had already played. he was >> using what looked like an old IBM WorkPad Z-50 to do something, perhaps >> run a slide projector? if anyone remembers this please let me know. i >> have a WorkPad Z-50 myself and it's a great little computer but i >> haven't been able to find much use for it in a long time, so any ideas >> would be great! >> >> excellent event! i loved the variety of people and their warm goodwill, >> and i will always remember the little kid asking "Daddy are you done >> yet?" after the guy playing 5-string fretless bass finished on Saturday >> (around 4pm, sorry don't know his name - it was a big guy with long >> hair and a sleeveless black vest if that helps ;). >> >> congratulations and thanks to the organizers! >> >> -jeff >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Oct 10, 2005, at 6:44 PM, eutropic@mindspring.com wrote: >> >> > On Sunday 09 October 2005 23:08, Kim Flint wrote: >> >> Hey guys- >> >> >> >> I want to offer hearty congratulations to Rick and everybody who >> >> performed >> >> and participated in the Y2K5 Loop festival this year! >> >> >> > >> > I'll second that! The event was fantastic. Rick is a great promoter and >> > advocate of the art and it might not of ever happened without him. >> > And thanks to all who participated. I am one of the lucky ones who >> > live near >> > by I was able to drop-in and hang. It was a treat and a blessing to be >> > there! >> > >> > Thank you Rick. >> > >> > Thank you all who played and contributed! >> > >> > Regards, >> > Kamlapati >> > www.circleroundthesun.com >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 11 15:54:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD3163BF0A; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:54:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00a101c5ce7c$0bb75d00$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051009230042.04ad4da8@annihilist.com> <200510101844.52040.eutropic@mindspring.com> <42cebe36dd78afadfc588b9aa29ab5ac@modaldub.net> <008b01c5ce65$94196c40$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004601c5ce72$66bfda10$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> Subject: Re: Congrats to Rick and Y2K5! Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:54:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 10, in=5792, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:54:27 +0000 (UTC) I recorded the following sets, either because the performer(s) asked me directly or because I knew them and knew I wouldn't get into hot water for doing so. Plus I only had 5.5 hours of disk space to record. And unfortunately, some material didn't turn out well enough because of some noise interference from who knows what source. Greg Powers Herb Heinz / Tim Thompson (disk already burned for them at the event) Ghost 7 James Sidlo Ted Killian Andy Butler (disk already burned for him at the event) Krispen Hartung Bill Walker Bernhard Wagner Max Valentino (with Berhard only...first song) Zurrigo I apologize to those of you I know (like you Rick), who I didn't capture either because of disk space or technical difficulties. It was challenging to both record and manage the stream at the same time, plus manage three separate output levels from the same sub-mixer (I won't go into how I pulled that off, but suffice it to say that Rick's little Yamaha board earned its keep for the next year). Additionally, I think there were a few listeners on the stream side that were recording the broadcast. I'd be willing to bet that between all of us, we have most of the two days archived. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 8:45 AM Subject: Re: Congrats to Rick and Y2K5! > Yeah! > > Kris, do you have recorded some others set? > If they agree I would be interrested in some extracts. > I was busy lately and "offline" for a couple of days so I completeley missed > the webcast. Not sure however that with the time delay between you and > Europe I would have been able to listen a lot anyway ;-) > > Seems to have been a great event. > > Ben. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kris Hartung" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:13 PM > Subject: Re: Congrats to Rick and Y2K5! > > > > That was Herb Heinz and Tim Thompson. They were projecting Tim's (or was > > it > > Herb?) own looping program that he developed, which was very interesting, > > visually showed the loops in action, the code in anothe panel, etc. Is > > this > > right, Tim? Can you share your URL? I did record their set and burned it > > for them on CD-R, but will leave it to their discretion on whether they > > want > > to share it. > > > > Kris > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "3nki" <3nki@modaldub.net> > > To: > > Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 10:52 PM > > Subject: Re: Congrats to Rick and Y2K5! > > > > > >> i was there Saturday afternoon and i must say it was very nice - quite > >> varied and interesting performers and relaxed comfortable location. > >> everything seemed very well organized. > >> > >> there was one guy i saw setting up i was curious about - unfortunately > >> we went to eat and came back and i guess he had already played. he was > >> using what looked like an old IBM WorkPad Z-50 to do something, perhaps > >> run a slide projector? if anyone remembers this please let me know. i > >> have a WorkPad Z-50 myself and it's a great little computer but i > >> haven't been able to find much use for it in a long time, so any ideas > >> would be great! > >> > >> excellent event! i loved the variety of people and their warm goodwill, > >> and i will always remember the little kid asking "Daddy are you done > >> yet?" after the guy playing 5-string fretless bass finished on Saturday > >> (around 4pm, sorry don't know his name - it was a big guy with long > >> hair and a sleeveless black vest if that helps ;). > >> > >> congratulations and thanks to the organizers! > >> > >> -jeff > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Oct 10, 2005, at 6:44 PM, eutropic@mindspring.com wrote: > >> > >> > On Sunday 09 October 2005 23:08, Kim Flint wrote: > >> >> Hey guys- > >> >> > >> >> I want to offer hearty congratulations to Rick and everybody who > >> >> performed > >> >> and participated in the Y2K5 Loop festival this year! > >> >> > >> > > >> > I'll second that! The event was fantastic. Rick is a great promoter and > >> > advocate of the art and it might not of ever happened without him. > >> > And thanks to all who participated. I am one of the lucky ones who > >> > live near > >> > by I was able to drop-in and hang. It was a treat and a blessing to be > >> > there! > >> > > >> > Thank you Rick. > >> > > >> > Thank you all who played and contributed! > >> > > >> > Regards, > >> > Kamlapati > >> > www.circleroundthesun.com > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger > Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 11 18:06:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E1B73BEF9; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:06:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004901c5ce8e$78d24050$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: Subject: Re: why do we play live ? why loopfests ? why do we are here ? Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:06:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01C5CE9F.3C2692D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 18:06:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C5CE9F.3C2692D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kris wrote: "The object is not important necessarily, but the passion = for me" I'm definitively agree with Kris. I think this concept tells about everyone of us, loopers. That's why we are here. 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 ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C5CE9F.3C2692D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 11 19:03:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A62C3BF13; Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:03:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qR9ip69Si4jtwswSHKECJl7AqqX16uA4WNtMWA9C//g+KkJ5HK4qAxVplLpKWHDaVGQyZUqmPFZtGPhOpnSlnTeSUQ/XcWMhW+4xHRr9w1HL+fHb9JrcrBuLvp5m5ESh0qbCqBlW+Euxw30xxAc+B343Uzg4PKzXLNYwAPNZef4= ; Message-ID: <20051011190314.66780.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:03:14 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: why do we play live? (mini Adrian Belew review too!) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <434AE425.4040008@pdq.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:03:21 +0000 (UTC) I'm thinking Taser might be more fun. No? --- Doug Cox wrote: > After they bump into you the first time, use a well > placed leg to send > them on their asses. Do it again if they come by > again. And again. > > Even the most stoned moron will figure it out. > > Dig > > PS - maybe this ethic comes from my punk rock roots, > where the pit was > the pit, but if you went too far astray, you got > what you deserved. > > > > Todd Howell wrote: > > >Mark > > > >I am beginning to get to the same place. I > understand the need to move and physically express > joy to music. A very necessary thing at some level. > On the other hand, being so cluster-f*ckingly self > absorbed as to dance into people and being > completely disrespectful of their personal space and > enjoyment of the concert is just plain unacceptable. > Most of these particular folk are on some manner of > chemically-based agenda in relation to the music. > I've no problem with that, being that I've enjoyed > certain moments of chemically induced musical > appreciation on many an occasion, though that is no > longer a possibility while trying to go to school > and pay a mortgage. The whole self-absorbed aspect > of that manner of behaviour seems off-putting. It > all boils down to basic respect for the artist and > your fellow audiwnce members. And unfortunately, > there is a complete drought of such behaviour. I am > to the point where I only go to see live music 7-10 > times a year any more. Too many headaches, including > parking, price, other concert-goers, onwards to > poor sound quality and crap venues. What about you? > I realize alot of this is a function of age and am > willing to be consider an old f*rt. > > > >Ideas? > > > >He who lurks......... > > > >Todd > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: mark sottilaro > >Sent: Oct 10, 2005 2:40 PM > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Re: why do we play live? (mini Adrian > Belew review too!) > > > >I hear you Ted. Oh I hear you. Though, oddly > enough > >I've enjoyed your performances each time I've seen > >you. > > > >Here's another bit: > > > >Why do I go see live music? > > > >Friday I went to see Adrian Belew at Slim's in SF. > As > >always Adrian was great. He seems comfortable and > >downright gleeful on stage running through his set. > > >However, I left thinking I'd never go to another > show > >again. Why? A few reasons. > > > >One: TOO FUCKING LOUD. I'm sick of going to shows > >that are so loud you need ear protection. Your > choice > >is then to hurt yourself or hear a muddy muffled > >version. When shows can cost as much as $80 a > ticket > >(Hi Prince!) you'd think a well balanced audio set > up > >can be expected, but this is rarely the case in my > >experience. I've been at Adrian Belew and King > >Crimson shows that were so loud I needed ear > >protection. > > > >Two: Over zealous dancers. Friday night much of > the > >time was spent trying to get away from or ignore to > >smelly idiots who seem to think that dancing wildly > in > >a crowded club is OK. To them: I'm sorry your > father > >never paid attention to you and I know you feel > that > >no one loves you, but regardless, we didn't come to > >see you so please settle down and enjoy the show. > Do > >aerobics at your gym. > > > >Three: I'm 5'7" and my girlfriend is 5'. We had a > >hard time seeing a damn thing most of the night. > > > >So, I've kind of sworn myself off live music for > the > >time being. Each time I go I end up disappointed. > >Maybe this is why I generally avoid playing live as > >well. > > > >--- ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > >>Well, > >> > >>As some one who just played Y2K3 last night and > who > >>is currently > >>listening to the live stream of Billy "Gee-tar > Man" > >>Walker -- sweeping > >>the floor of all other pretenders -- I have to say > >>definatively . . . > >> > >>I dunno . . . > >> > >>It's a kind of "mountain" that I psych myself up > to > >>climb a half dozen > >>times (sometimes more, sometmes less) a year. I am > >>very seldom > >>ever satisfied with these "climbing" experiences. > I > >>too often go ill > >>prepared (or equipped) and wind up sliding halfway > >>down a glacier > >>on my sorry ass. Sometimes it happens even when I > am > >>perfectly > >>well prepared and outfitted too. > >> > >>The rare "satisfying" performances seem to come > >>entirely at > >>random and unexpectly. There seems to be no > >>"science" to it. All > >>of my disciplined preperations (if and when I > apply > >>myself) seem > >>to have little to no affect on the outcome > actually. > >>They seem > >>to amount to little more than a more elaborate > form > >>of "crossing > >>my fingers" and/or some sort of offeratory to the > >>gods of "guilt" > >>and "responsibility." And . . . I don't want t let > >>anyone down. > >> > >>I suppose I perform live because I keep hoping for > >>that next repeat > >>of the rare, blissful, play-my-ass-off, > >>my-fingers-can-do-no-wrong, > >>where-the-hell-is-this-music-coming-from (surely > not > >>me?) experience. > >>For only having had a taste of it a few times I am > >>still certainly addicted > >>nonetheless. I need it now as surely as a junky > >>needs a fix. > >> > >>But why? God, I wish I knew. Sometimes I think I'd > >>go into rehab and > >>"take the cure" to be rid of it for all the grief > >>it's caused me. Then, > >>at other times, I'd trade my left nut to taste of > >>that bliss again. > >> > >>Best regards, > >> > >>tEd ® kiLLiAn > >> > >>PS. Buy "Flux Aeterna" from CDBaby during the > months > >>of September > >>and October and all of my portion of the profits > >>will be automatically > >>donated to the Red Cross by CDBaby specifically > for > >>Gulf Coast > >>hurricane relief. > >> > >>"Different is not always better, but better is > >>always different" > >> > >>http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > >>http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > >>http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > === message truncated === __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 12 15:00:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C2F23BEEE; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:00:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: gig spam: Skate Ramp in North Italy Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:00:37 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 15:00:45 +0000 (UTC) To Follow up on my show playing a Swimming Pool in the Malibu Hills, I am playing on top of a Skateboard Ramp in the Factory04 Cultural center in Padova, North Italy. http://www.factory04.com/ Show is tomorrow October 12 around 10pm, but I might steal a trick from Fripp's book and start early. I am opening for the Italian prog band Hypnoise. Support independent music and small business!!! Ronan Chris Murphy Veneto West www.venetowest.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 12 17:58:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 026B53BEEE; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:58:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01cb01c5cf56$647ba8d0$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: "Hartung, Kris" , "loop.pool" , "CPR aka Chris Roberts" , "HERB HEINZ" , "PAPA DAVE" , "RICK WALKER" , "zurrigo" , "BILL WALKER" , "GOH NAKUMURA" , "Bernhard Wagner" , "TED KILLIAN" , "Mando-man" , "WALLY SCHNALLE" , "Darin Schaffer" , "Tim Thompson" , "Mark Hamburg" , "Mark Hamburg" , "nico luminous" , "AMAR CHAUDHARY. PHD" , "Amar" , "Doug Wright" , "UTE" , "ADDAM WHITE (beatboxer-rapper-looper)" , "ADRIAN WEST" , "JAMES SIDLO" , "BOB BEEDE" , "JON WAGNER" , "Dan/Theresa Soltzberg" , "ANDY BUTLER" , "LUCIO MENEGON" , "Lucio Menegon" , "lucio menegon" , "JOE RUT - Lumper/Splitter" , "Craig McCollough CLOTHIER of the STRANGE" , "KOOROSH DARYAIE" , "matt davignon" , "Diana Thompson" , "Diana Thompson" , "SCOTT DRENGSEN" , "STAN CARD" , "Trey Donovan Drake" , "TREY DONOVAN" , "GREG POWERS" , "CYOAKHA" Cc: References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B8A60AF@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Subject: Y2K5 Performance Recordings Almost Complete Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:57:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 348, in=144347, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:58:21 +0000 (UTC) Hello all - Believe it or not, I am getting really close to having all of the recordings mastered for the Y2K5 performers below. I am finishing up the last three today. I have just given a link to Greg Powers for him to downdown his entire performance in MP3. Everyone, please send me an email and let me know what format you want your recording in...MP3 (192 or 128 bitrate), wav, or aif. I have the raw CD-Rs as well, which I burned from my hard disk recorder, but your music on those will not be normalized to 0db, unlike the wav and MP3 files that I created. Also, if you like your recording and you are willling to share it with the Looper's Delight group, I am willing to host the MP3 for you on my server, and then send the URLs to Rick and Bernhard so that they can add a section on the Y2K5 webiste. Cooleo? Kris Greg Powers Herb Heinz / Tim Thompson (disk already burned for them at the event) Ghost 7 James Sidlo Ted Killian Andy Butler (disk already burned for him at the event) Krispen Hartung Rick Walker (short globe piece in the dark) Bill Walker Bernhard Wagner Max Valentino (with Berhard only...first song) Zurrigo From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 12 18:25:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 904AE3BEFA; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:25:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <434D5523.9080207@dadaprod.org> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:25:39 +0200 From: sonic steph User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: fr, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman References: <85.2e6ae604.303e1c8e@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <85.2e6ae604.303e1c8e@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Ovh-Remote: 81.185.83.200 () X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: fait|type 1&3|0.0|H 0.501729 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:25:44 +0000 (UTC) I am about to upload my looping gear with the jamman, but I want to be sure with what I could do with this.. I read in you recent post, that you need to save the loop (manual operation) before switching to another one if you want ot keep what you have done .. is that really true? The only thing which is said in the manual is that you can easily switch (withe the footswitch) from the loop1 (verse) to the the loop2 (chorus) and then return back to the loop1.. so I am asking the guys who already got one of this looper.. If you got two loops already recorded (let's say with a drum wav pattern on it), then you first start the loop 1 , then if you overdub a guitar riff on it, then switch to the loop 2 (chorus), when you switch back to the loop 1, can you play your solo on the guitar riff you already recorded or no? cheers stephane From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 12 18:34:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD2FA3BF0D; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:34:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Puh7z2bivhLOlU/RUTwImYgGJJMsSO8+UgyTbypRrdx/8tte0PQ4QOkBZzPWTs+Gbw04gsk670T7OX92p4TDX9Ch1GdISHdNl0HApPr8UVZY9ti2nMtVE6hBlKsoxLl/NHAZLEZERWPVaA+xtd/HWqe70YeujBY53XG/eBa4q38= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 11:34:34 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman In-Reply-To: <434D5523.9080207@dadaprod.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <85.2e6ae604.303e1c8e@aol.com> <434D5523.9080207@dadaprod.org> Resent-Message-ID: <_3OjFC.A.zAF.9cVTDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:34:37 +0000 (UTC) The limitation of both the JamMan and the Loop Station is that if you create a loop (via live recording and overdubbing), you must then press a small button on the pedal to SAVE the loop. If you haven't saved the loop, when you switch to another loop, the prior loop will be lost. If you've got a set of loops (which might serve as verses and choruses and whatnot) that you've already created AND saved, then you can switch between them in a foot-controlled manner during a performance. TravisH On 10/12/05, sonic steph wrote: > I am about to upload my looping gear with the jamman, but I want to be > sure with what I could do with this.. > > I read in you recent post, that you need to save the loop (manual > operation) before switching to another one if you want ot keep what you > have done .. is that really true? > > The only thing which is said in the manual is that you can easily switch > (withe the footswitch) from the loop1 (verse) to the the loop2 (chorus) > and then return back to the loop1.. > > so I am asking the guys who already got one of this looper.. > > If you got two loops already recorded (let's say with a drum wav pattern > on it), then you first start the loop 1 , then if you overdub a guitar > riff on it, then switch to the loop 2 (chorus), when you switch back to > the loop 1, can you play your solo on the guitar riff you already > recorded or no? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 12 18:59:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5371F3BEF9; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:59:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002c01c5cf5f$24bf0b70$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: gig spam: Skate Ramp in North Italy Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:43:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:59:49 +0000 (UTC) Ronan wrote: > Show is tomorrow October 12 around 10pm, but I might steal a trick from > Fripp's book and start early. I am opening for the Italian prog band > Hypnoise. Oh yeah, Robert did that when we saw him in Philly at WXPN. I was bummed that we missed the first 20 min. He also mentioned you during his Q&A session. Something about fetishizing and autographs. :) Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 12 20:09:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03E2F3BF04; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:09:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Digitech Jamman Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:09:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcXPW5KxCg7zKynLTU6/CHXsCTK1PgADTGKw Message-Id: <20051012200938.NORO4169.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:09:57 +0000 (UTC) One assumes that the loop stops playing while it is being saved-- Gary -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 11:35 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman The limitation of both the JamMan and the Loop Station is that if you create a loop (via live recording and overdubbing), you must then press a small button on the pedal to SAVE the loop. If you haven't saved the loop, when you switch to another loop, the prior loop will be lost. If you've got a set of loops (which might serve as verses and choruses and whatnot) that you've already created AND saved, then you can switch between them in a foot-controlled manner during a performance. TravisH On 10/12/05, sonic steph wrote: > I am about to upload my looping gear with the jamman, but I want to be > sure with what I could do with this.. > > I read in you recent post, that you need to save the loop (manual > operation) before switching to another one if you want ot keep what you > have done .. is that really true? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 12 20:32:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4539B3BF11; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:32:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rOSOC0JseqLOEa7+YJv4Qf3PHpYmlOZuIg1MHcyBOQBWrLtXODx9VAYIhH20jVAeCHDQ2YjcrTzf7Gb+ohDrllhDAUtbVVhhGAhi0N2U3j+7isHkIyY3W492AOtnW40vWnSwlMqE2qZGah0rkdogxTNw3YNE5P2PDMt2UM9xNy0= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:32:44 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman In-Reply-To: <20051012200938.NORO4169.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051012200938.NORO4169.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:32:47 +0000 (UTC) On the JamMan v2, yes: Store Changes to a Loop 1. Stop any playback or recording activity using the STOP/TEMPO footswitch. 2. Press the STORE button. The STORE button and the DISPLAY will begin to flash (the DISPLAY shows the current loop memory location). 3. (Optional)Turn the SELECT knob to select an empty loop memory location to store the loop with its changes (the LOOP or SINGLE LEDs are off), or press EXIT to abort. 4. Press the STORE button again. The changes are now saved and the STORE button turns off. On the Loop Station XL, I'm not 100% sure, but I think not. However, the button you do have to press is too small to access by foot, unless you're not wearing shoes and have dextrous toes. You also have to turn a knob to indicate which loop slot you want to save the current loop into. TravisH On 10/12/05, Gary Lehmann wrote: > One assumes that the loop stops playing while it is being saved-- > Gary > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 12 21:57:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DAF33BF15; Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:57:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <434D863E.10100@speakeasy.net> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:55:10 -0700 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Congrats to Rick and Y2K5! References: <20051012182545.7FA043BF06@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20051012182545.7FA043BF06@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:57:05 +0000 (UTC) I'd like to throw my congrats in as well. I was there Saturday from 12 - 4 and was the 1st "official" member of the audience...(I was the guy with long brown hair and the Zappa shirt :-) Anyway, I had a great time. I'd never seen anyone else looping in person before and got a lot of very cool ideas. Thanks to Bill & everyone else involved for creating such a friendly and supportive environment for looping...for a few moments I actually considered hauling @ss over the hill & bringing my gear to fill in for that 12:30 empty slot. Who knows, maybe next year I'll plan a confrontation with my public performance daemons and give it a try! Dennis >----- Original Message ----- >From: "3nki" <3nki@modaldub.net> >To: >Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 10:52 PM >Subject: Re: Congrats to Rick and Y2K5! > > > > >>i was there Saturday afternoon and i must say it was very nice - quite >>varied and interesting performers and relaxed comfortable location. >>everything seemed very well organized. >> >>there was one guy i saw setting up i was curious about - unfortunately >>we went to eat and came back and i guess he had already played. he was >>using what looked like an old IBM WorkPad Z-50 to do something, perhaps >>run a slide projector? if anyone remembers this please let me know. i >>have a WorkPad Z-50 myself and it's a great little computer but i >>haven't been able to find much use for it in a long time, so any ideas >>would be great! >> >>excellent event! i loved the variety of people and their warm goodwill, >>and i will always remember the little kid asking "Daddy are you done >>yet?" after the guy playing 5-string fretless bass finished on Saturday >>(around 4pm, sorry don't know his name - it was a big guy with long >>hair and a sleeveless black vest if that helps ;). >> >>congratulations and thanks to the organizers! >> >>-jeff >> >> >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 13 00:23:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 766563BF0F; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 00:23:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <6B8795BB-EA32-44E1-9E1F-7BDEE7A16B83@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Zoe Keating Subject: Sorry I missed Y2K5 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 17:23:43 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) X-Server-Quench: 9dcb7279-3b7f-11da-a87f-001185d377ca X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1.38/Kp X-Powered-By: AuthSMTP - http://www.authsmtp.com - Authenticated SMTP Mail Relay X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 00:23:48 +0000 (UTC) I've been traveling for months and got forcibly removed (with good reason!!) from the loopers list for setting up my autoresponder. I've mended my errant ways, am back from touring for a few days, and now have resubscribed. Anyway, sorry to miss Y2K5. Rick was kind enough to give me my very first loop performance ever at one a few years ago. It inspired me get my act together and figure out how to use the Repeater! Ok, end of Pith. loop love, Zoe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 13 01:34:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEF953BEF9; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:34:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02c501c5cf96$4ef5e8f0$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Y2K5 Performance Recordings - I Guess I'll Share Mine First Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 19:34:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02C2_01C5CF64.0394CD90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 346, in=140656, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:34:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02C2_01C5CF64.0394CD90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable While I'm waiting for others to download their Y2K5 performance files, = receive them on CD-R, or decide whether they want to share their music = with the LD list, I guess I'll share my set first, especially since mine = was the only set where the streaming server went down and thus no one on = LD was able to hear it. Unfortunately, I couldn't play AND monitor the = stream at the same time! My brain just doesn't operate that way. :) So, for what it's worth, here it is...one gigantor 30 minute, evolving, = improvisational piece: http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html Cheers, Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com p.s. Rainer, fess up...who were you able to record orver the broadcast = with any degree of fidelity? Enquiring minds want to know... :) ------=_NextPart_000_02C2_01C5CF64.0394CD90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
While I'm waiting for others to = download their Y2K5=20 performance files, receive them on CD-R, or decide whether they = want to=20 share their music with the LD list, I guess I'll share my set first, = especially=20 since mine was the only set where the streaming server went down and = thus no one=20 on LD was able to hear it. Unfortunately, I couldn't play AND = monitor the=20 stream at the same time!  My brain just doesn't operate that = way. =20 :)
 
So, for what it's worth, here it = is...one gigantor=20 30 minute, evolving, improvisational piece:
 
 
Cheers,
 
Krispen Hartung
http://www.krispenhartung.com<= /FONT>
 
p.s. Rainer, fess up...who were you = able to record=20 orver the broadcast with any degree of fidelity? Enquiring minds = want to=20 know... :)
 
------=_NextPart_000_02C2_01C5CF64.0394CD90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 13 03:29:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A3DA3BEF3; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 03:29:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:29:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings - I Guess I'll Share Mine First To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <7074196.1129174174127.JavaMail.root@vms063.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 03:29:38 +0000 (UTC) Rainer, fess up...who were you able to record orver the broadcast with any degree of fidelity? Enquiring minds want to know... :)  i was surprised by the fidelity of what i was hearing kris.....i didn't record anything but while the sig was running, it sounded A-OK to me.....i was very surprised and HAPPY with the outcome.....thanks.....mic http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 13 03:47:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A9873BF04; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 03:47:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <434DD91D.3050908@Hevanet.com> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:48:45 -0700 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings - I Guess I'll Share Mine First References: <7074196.1129174174127.JavaMail.root@vms063.mailsrvcs.net> In-Reply-To: <7074196.1129174174127.JavaMail.root@vms063.mailsrvcs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 03:47:56 +0000 (UTC) Sounded stereo. ~David nemoguitt@verizon.net wrote: >Rainer, fess up...who were you able to record orver the broadcast with >any degree of fidelity? Enquiring minds want to know... :)  > >i was surprised by the fidelity of what i was hearing kris.....i didn't record >anything but while the sig was running, it sounded A-OK to me.....i was very >surprised and HAPPY with the outcome.....thanks.....mic > >http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 13 09:35:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EABDC3BEF3; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:35:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007401c5cfd9$6e38db80$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <02c501c5cf96$4ef5e8f0$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings - I Guess I'll Share Mine First Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:35:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0071_01C5CFEA.3196CAF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:35:25 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C5CFEA.3196CAF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very minimal looping act. Winds, birds and burbling sounds over-near-up-down the guitar parts. = Evocative. I think it could be interesting to re-master it in 5.1 (....if you have = recorded separate tracks). Fabio http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 3:34 AM Subject: Y2K5 Performance Recordings - I Guess I'll Share Mine First While I'm waiting for others to download their Y2K5 performance files, = receive them on CD-R, or decide whether they want to share their music = with the LD list, I guess I'll share my set first, especially since mine = was the only set where the streaming server went down and thus no one on = LD was able to hear it. Unfortunately, I couldn't play AND monitor the = stream at the same time! My brain just doesn't operate that way. :) So, for what it's worth, here it is...one gigantor 30 minute, = evolving, improvisational piece: http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html Cheers, Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com p.s. Rainer, fess up...who were you able to record orver the broadcast = with any degree of fidelity? Enquiring minds want to know... :) ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C5CFEA.3196CAF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Very minimal looping=20 act.
Winds, birds and = burbling=20 sounds over-near-up-down the guitar parts. Evocative.
I think it could be = interesting to=20 re-master it in 5.1 (....if you have recorded separate = tracks).
 
Fabio
http://xoomer.virgilio.it/= eterogeneo/
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, October 13, = 2005 3:34=20 AM
Subject: Y2K5 Performance = Recordings - I=20 Guess I'll Share Mine First

While I'm waiting for others to = download their=20 Y2K5 performance files, receive them on CD-R, or decide whether = they want=20 to share their music with the LD list, I guess I'll share my set = first,=20 especially since mine was the only set where the streaming server went = down=20 and thus no one on LD was able to hear it. Unfortunately, I couldn't=20 play AND monitor the stream at the same time!  My brain just = doesn't=20 operate that way.  :)
 
So, for what it's worth, here it = is...one=20 gigantor 30 minute, evolving, improvisational piece:
 
 
Cheers,
 
Krispen Hartung
http://www.krispenhartung.com<= /FONT>
 
p.s. Rainer, fess up...who were you = able to=20 record orver the broadcast with any degree of fidelity? Enquiring = minds=20 want to know... :)
 
------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C5CFEA.3196CAF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 13 10:04:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD9F53BEFF; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:04:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <030e01c5cfdd$7f383800$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <02c501c5cf96$4ef5e8f0$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <007401c5cfd9$6e38db80$040a0a0a@fabio> Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings - I Guess I'll Share Mine First Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 04:04:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_030B_01C5CFAB.33D10220" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 346, in=140763, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:04:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_030B_01C5CFAB.33D10220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 5.1 would be cool. I wish I could do that....but I recorded only in = stereo. You hit the nail on the head with your comment on the intro = burbling/gurgling section...I was messing with that VST effect when I = started and realized too late that it was too high in the mix. In fact, = the overall mix on my EDPs was too damn high for the room and prompted = Rick and Andy to turn the volume down on the PA mixer....which had = another consequence, in that with the remainder of my parts, there were = times I could hear the raw sound of my guitar strings over the sound = coming out of the PA. That generated a rather awkward (uncomfortable?) = situation and deflated some of my mood, but it was necessary to turn the = volume down on the PA once that intro part was set in stone.=20 Moreover, at the time I was looping that intro part and started playing = guitar over it, the thought popped in my head: darn, what the heck am I = going to do now? So I just worked with it and transitioned into phase II = of the piece which faded all that intro part out. I think it all worked = out in the wash eventually. Such are the pitfalls of live looping, I = guess. As usual, thanks for the comments, Fabio. :) In hindsite, I = also feel that the piece was too minimal given how I play live = normally....especially given what I played last year on the acoustic = guitar (this was my electric). Water under the bridge of self-criticism. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fabio Anile=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 3:35 AM Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings - I Guess I'll Share Mine = First Very minimal looping act. Winds, birds and burbling sounds over-near-up-down the guitar parts. = Evocative. I think it could be interesting to re-master it in 5.1 (....if you = have recorded separate tracks). Fabio http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 3:34 AM Subject: Y2K5 Performance Recordings - I Guess I'll Share Mine First While I'm waiting for others to download their Y2K5 performance = files, receive them on CD-R, or decide whether they want to share their = music with the LD list, I guess I'll share my set first, especially = since mine was the only set where the streaming server went down and = thus no one on LD was able to hear it. Unfortunately, I couldn't play = AND monitor the stream at the same time! My brain just doesn't operate = that way. :) So, for what it's worth, here it is...one gigantor 30 minute, = evolving, improvisational piece: http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html Cheers, Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com p.s. Rainer, fess up...who were you able to record orver the = broadcast with any degree of fidelity? Enquiring minds want to know... = :) ------=_NextPart_000_030B_01C5CFAB.33D10220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
5.1 would be cool. I wish I could do=20 that....but I recorded only in stereo.  You hit the nail on = the head=20 with your comment on the intro burbling/gurgling section...I was messing = with=20 that VST effect when I started and realized too late that it was too = high in the=20 mix.  In fact, the overall mix on my EDPs was too damn high = for the=20 room and prompted Rick and Andy to turn the volume down on the PA=20 mixer....which had another consequence, in that with the remainder of my = parts,=20 there were times I could hear the raw sound of my guitar strings over = the sound=20 coming out of the PA. That generated a rather awkward (uncomfortable?) = situation=20 and deflated some of my mood, but it was necessary to turn the volume = down on=20 the PA once that intro part was set in stone.
 
Moreover, at the time I was = looping that intro=20 part and started playing guitar over it, the thought popped in my = head:=20 darn, what the heck am I going to do now? So I just worked with it and=20 transitioned into phase II of the piece which faded all that intro part=20 out. I think it all worked out in the wash eventually. Such are the = pitfalls of live looping, I guess.  As usual, thanks for the = comments,=20 Fabio. :)  In hindsite, I also feel that the piece was too minimal = given=20 how I play live normally....especially given what I played last year on = the=20 acoustic guitar (this was my electric). Water under the bridge of=20 self-criticism.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Fabio=20 Anile
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, October 13, = 2005 3:35=20 AM
Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance = Recordings=20 - I Guess I'll Share Mine First

Very minimal looping=20 act.
Winds, birds and = burbling=20 sounds over-near-up-down the guitar parts. Evocative.
I think it could be = interesting=20 to re-master it in 5.1 (....if you have recorded separate=20 tracks).
 
Fabio
http://xoomer.virgilio.it/= eterogeneo/
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, October 13, = 2005 3:34=20 AM
Subject: Y2K5 Performance = Recordings -=20 I Guess I'll Share Mine First

While I'm waiting for others to = download their=20 Y2K5 performance files, receive them on CD-R, or decide whether = they=20 want to share their music with the LD list, I guess I'll share my = set first,=20 especially since mine was the only set where the streaming server = went down=20 and thus no one on LD was able to hear it. Unfortunately, I couldn't = play AND monitor the stream at the same time!  My brain = just=20 doesn't operate that way.  :)
 
So, for what it's worth, here it = is...one=20 gigantor 30 minute, evolving, improvisational piece:
 
 
Cheers,
 
Krispen Hartung
http://www.krispenhartung.com<= /FONT>
 
p.s. Rainer, fess up...who were you = able to=20 record orver the broadcast with any degree of fidelity? = Enquiring minds=20 want to know... :)
 
------=_NextPart_000_030B_01C5CFAB.33D10220-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 13 12:13:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98D893BEF4; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:13:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [80.170.61.143] X-Originating-Email: [totalrtt@hotmail.com] X-Sender: totalrtt@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "total rtt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:13:18 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Oct 2005 12:13:18.0855 (UTC) FILETIME=[7F39B970:01C5CFEF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:13:21 +0000 (UTC) salut, To send a signal in the jam man What kind of jack is the litlle one on the backside? mono, stéréo? Do you know what happen to a stéréo signal L-R ? Everything is send to the center of the image, is there any kind of L-R reality? thank's daniel >From: Travis Hartnett >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman >Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:32:44 -0700 > >On the JamMan v2, yes: > >Store Changes to a Loop >1. Stop any playback or recording activity using the STOP/TEMPO footswitch. >2. Press the STORE button. The STORE button and the DISPLAY will begin to >flash (the DISPLAY shows the current loop memory location). >3. (Optional)Turn the SELECT knob to select an empty loop memory location >to store the loop with its changes (the LOOP or SINGLE LEDs are off), or >press EXIT to abort. >4. Press the STORE button again. The changes are now saved and the STORE >button turns off. > > >On the Loop Station XL, I'm not 100% sure, but I think not. However, >the button you do have to press is too small to access by foot, unless >you're not wearing shoes and have dextrous toes. You also have to >turn a knob to indicate which loop slot you want to save the current >loop into. > >TravisH > >On 10/12/05, Gary Lehmann wrote: > > One assumes that the loop stops playing while it is being saved-- > > Gary > > > _________________________________________________________________ 2 Go de stockage avec MSN Hotmail Plus ! http://join2.msn.com/?pgmarket=fr-fr&page=hotmail/es2&DI=81&XAPID=3940&SU=&HL=hpleftslot From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 13 12:49:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F15623BEF9; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:49:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20051012200938.NORO4169.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:36:13 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Edwin Hurwitz Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on lysol.indra.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <2MGgvD.A.BMC.mflTDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:49:42 +0000 (UTC) A guitar playing friend of mine is using this box and it seems that he can't get it to behave intuitively, ie, push a pedal, it starts recording, push again and it stops recording and loops exactly what was played. It always adds some silence and then loops with that bit of silence. It seems to measure what he taps as one bar and wants to add another. Is there a setting that is being missed here? TIA Edwin -- Edwin Hurwitz Boulder CO http://www.indra.com/~edwin http://www.cafemontalban.com Location Recording Services From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 13 13:45:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A1C13BF06; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:45:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CUZFBiofiQhnjmL3af6zBSu6N5j19s9T/LfcyxCEL0d1dbG4vkXM5U1KN95b406ylMiijtkx8LIrQD0j41uOLiaVdMGOm8kRcu+1Ts2a6bi1eWYc5v8ZhtwVV9ibIO0fiu8j0EdlUnPf+sYwzqyh+YPtQDaBTh96C2zUDyTnrJY= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 06:44:59 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:45:00 +0000 (UTC) 1. If you mean the small audio input jack (for connecting a CD player(, it's a stereo 1/8" headphone style jack. 2. Although the first, rackmount version of the JamMan had L/R ins and outs, the loop itself was always mono. The new pedal version is also mono. Anything recorded from the stereo auxiliary input jack is summed to mono. TravisH On 10/13/05, total rtt wrote: > salut, > > To send a signal in the jam man What kind of jack is the litlle one on th= e > backside? mono, st=E9r=E9o? > Do you know what happen to a st=E9r=E9o signal L-R ? Everything is send = to the > center of the image, > is there any kind of L-R reality? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 13 13:51:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFB3C3BF11; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:51:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qGEvaBsCmu4z1kIC3UeKzLKcGkohzs+hZ41/r8KKxEh5/niWWISXxcvvbxAvAAsy/IoerYXig3nhjsZ89E0u11nXABg8Ktq258WK0y7U7ckrtH92tKhaJE1XdjjrIKP1/hwYrxj8Hbr5/AjUjMw3ne4HLVDytDHfzJhdn1/gr/Q= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 06:51:45 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051012200938.NORO4169.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:51:46 +0000 (UTC) The JamMan can't do loops shorter than 3.5 seconds, period. So, if he's trying to do a short loop, it'll round up to the minimum length. He might also want to be sure that he's not recording with the JamMan set to a preset tempo, and/or to odd-time signature, since it'll quantize to the end of the bar in that case. He should have a look at the "Tempo" section in the manual and make sure that he hasn't enabled that feature unknowingly. TravisH On 10/12/05, Edwin Hurwitz wrote: > A guitar playing friend of mine is using this box and it seems that > he can't get it to behave intuitively, ie, push a pedal, it starts > recording, push again and it stops recording and loops exactly what > was played. It always adds some silence and then loops with that bit > of silence. It seems to measure what he taps as one bar and wants to > add another. Is there a setting that is being missed here? > > TIA > Edwin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 13 14:32:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 775B83BF1B; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:32:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <434E6FD5.7090209@minds-eye.org> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 07:31:49 -0700 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: test disregard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <8Hx3c.A.Z0E.OAnTDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:32:46 +0000 (UTC) Just checking to see if I'm still getting blocked as spam, carry on Kevin -- The true form is magnificently illuminated With gleaming fire. The teaching’s voice is total silence Amid the ringing of wind chimes. The moon hangs in the old pine tree, Cold in the falling night. The chilled crane in its nest in the clouds Has not yet been aroused from its dreams. - Hongzhi Zhengjue (1091-1157) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 13 14:58:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C94D73BF1D; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:58:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <033901c5d006$0dbe8ca0$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: , <'boisemusicians@yahoogroups.com'>, Subject: Upcoming Looping Gig / Oct. 15 / Live & Streamed to Web Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:54:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0335_01C5CFD3.C2310A10"; type="multipart/alternative" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: ****: 4.072000 Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3,Decimal urls and jpegs=1.8,Some tags-to-text=0.5 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 347, in=140885, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:58:47 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0335_01C5CFD3.C2310A10 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0336_01C5CFD3.C2310A10" ------=_NextPart_001_0336_01C5CFD3.C2310A10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Who: Me (Krispen Hartung) on acoustic guitar and hand percussion) Event Description: Improvisational Looping Performance Date: October 15, 2005=20 Time: 8-10pm Mountain Standard Time (US) / Convert to your time zone = here: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedform.html Venue: Moxie Java (1551 w. Cherry Lane, Meridian, Idaho) OR streamed to = the web at http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen") =20 New solo CD "Descent to Self" is now available in physical format and is = for sale at the Record Exchange here in Boise and online at CD Baby: = http://www.cdbaby.com/krispen3 Descent to Self is a musical and introspective exploration of ideas = inspired by themes such as theoretical physics, science fiction, = mathematics, and philosophy. By means of real-time looping technology, = Krispen Hartung weaves an avant-garde and improvisational tapestry of = sounds that are colorful, innovative, and mood provoking. This = instrumental work showcases Hartung's ability to fuse avant-garde jazz, = experimental, and ambient music into a multi-faceted musical experience. Reviews "Awe inspiring. The atmospheric bed you laid is a hauntingly beautiful = foundation for some emotionally charged guitar fx. A blissfully = meditative piece. Great guitar work and improvisational skills!" - = Valkir=20 "Really very good. The guitar solo part is fantastic, you really sound = like you are an accomplished player. Was not expecting to like this as = usually try to avoid the guitar but was pleasantly surprised." - DRT "Ok this is STUNNING I'm speechless. What can you say BUT JUST = EXCELLENT. Too many things here to complement. Talented to the MAX. = Cheers." - Kat Speel =20 Learn more about the Descent to Self, view CD artwork, and download the = entire CD in MP3 format for free here: = http://www.krispenhartung.com/descent *************************************************************************= *********************=20 Krispen Hartung=20 Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist=20 http://www.krispenhartung.com=20 info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 Subscribe to email list: krispenhartung-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Performance Calendar: http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3DKrispen%20Ha= rtung ------=_NextPart_001_0336_01C5CFD3.C2310A10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Who: Me (Krispen = Hartung) on=20 acoustic guitar and hand percussion)
Event Description: Improvisational=20 Looping Performance
Date: October 15, 2005 =
Time:  8-10pm Mountain Standard Time (US) = /=20 Convert to your time zone here: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedform.html<= /A>
Venue: =20 Moxie Java (1551 w. Cherry Lane, Meridian, Idaho) OR streamed to the web = at=20 http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen") 

New solo CD "Descent to = Self" is now=20 available in physical format and is for sale at the Record Exchange here in Boise = and online=20 at CD Baby: http://www.cdbaby.com/krispen3



Descent to=20 Self is a=20 musical and introspective = exploration=20 of ideas inspired by themes such as theoretical physics, science = fiction,=20 mathematics, and philosophy. By means of real-time looping technology, = Krispen=20 Hartung weaves an avant-garde and improvisational tapestry of sounds = that are=20 colorful, innovative, and mood provoking. This instrumental work = showcases=20 Hartung's ability to fuse avant-garde jazz, experimental, and ambient = music into=20 a multi-faceted musical experience.

Reviews

"Awe inspiring. The atmospheric bed = you laid is=20 a hauntingly beautiful foundation for some emotionally charged guitar = fx. A=20 blissfully meditative piece. = Great=20 guitar work and improvisational skills!" - Valkir =

"Really very good.  The guitar = solo part is=20 fantastic, you really sound like you are an accomplished player. Was not = expecting to like this as usually try to avoid the guitar but was = pleasantly=20 surprised." - DRT

"Ok this is STUNNING I'm speechless. What = can you=20 say BUT JUST EXCELLENT. Too many things here to complement. Talented to = the MAX.=20 Cheers." - Kat Speel 

Learn more about=20 the Descent to=20 Self, view CD=20 artwork, and download the entire=20 CD in MP3 format for free here: http://www.krispenhartung.com/descent
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Improvisational /=20 Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist
http://www.krispenhartung.com=20
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Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 669A63BF21; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:44:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:45:54 -0400 From: Dan Ash Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings - I Guess I'll Share Mine First To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <434E8132.5030305@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=------------040009010201050103000204 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:44:56 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040009010201050103000204 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks much for this - I wasn't able to listen to the stream this past weekend and appreciate being able to hear whatever is available after-the-fact. A truly impressive endeavor! Dan Ash White Plains, NY ----- Original Message ----- From: Kris Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 3:34 AM Subject: Y2K5 Performance Recordings - I Guess I'll Share Mine First. . . . So, for what it's worth, here it is...one gigantor 30 minute, evolving, improvisational piece: http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html Cheers, Krispen Hartung --------------040009010201050103000204 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks much for this - I wasn't able to listen to the stream this past weekend and appreciate being able to hear whatever is available after-the-fact.  A truly impressive endeavor!

Dan Ash
White Plains, NY
 
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Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 3:34 AM
Subject: Y2K5 Performance Recordings - I Guess I'll Share Mine First.
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So, for what it's worth, here it is...one gigantor 30 minute, evolving, improvisational piece:
 
 
Cheers,
 
Krispen Hartung


 --------------040009010201050103000204-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 13 17:06:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C60E93BF26; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:06:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:06:32 -0700 Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings - I Guess I'll Share Mine First Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-592137134 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <02c501c5cf96$4ef5e8f0$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0.001 () HTML_MESSAGE X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:06:35 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-592137134 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Thanks for sharing this, Kris, I'm listening right now, very cool=20 stuff! Since I was on the road last weekend in Washington and Idaho, I=20= wasn't able to either attend Y2k5 or listen to the internet streams, so=20= it's really great to be able to check out the music after the fact.=20 Thanks! On Wednesday, October 12, 2005, at 06:34 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > While I'm waiting for others to download their Y2K5 performance files,=20= > receive them=A0on CD-R, or decide whether they want to share their = music=20 > with the LD list, I guess I'll share my set first, especially since=20 > mine was the only set where the streaming server went down and thus no=20= > one on LD was able to hear it. Unfortunately, I couldn't play=A0AND=20 > monitor the stream at the same time!=A0 My brain just doesn't operate=20= > that way.=A0 :) > =A0 > So, for what it's worth, here it is...one gigantor 30 minute,=20 > evolving, improvisational piece: > =A0 > http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html > =A0 > Cheers, > =A0 > Krispen Hartung > http://www.krispenhartung.com > =A0 > p.s. Rainer, fess up...who were you able to record orver the=20 > broadcast=A0with any degree of fidelity? Enquiring minds want to = know...=20 > :) > =A0 --Apple-Mail-2-592137134 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks for sharing this, Kris, I'm listening right now, very cool stuff! Since I was on the road last weekend in Washington and Idaho, I wasn't able to either attend Y2k5 or listen to the internet streams, so it's really great to be able to check out the music after the fact. Thanks! On Wednesday, October 12, 2005, at 06:34 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: ArialWhile I'm waiting for others to download their Y2K5 performance files, receive them=A0on CD-R, or decide whether they want to share their music with the LD list, I guess I'll share my set first, especially since mine was the only set where the streaming server went down and thus no one on LD was able to hear it. Unfortunately, I couldn't play=A0AND monitor the stream at the same time!=A0 My brain just doesn't operate that way.=A0 = :) =A0 ArialSo, for what it's worth, here it is...one gigantor 30 minute, evolving, improvisational = piece: =A0 Arial = Narrow0000,9999,CCCChttp://box.net/= public/khartung/files/975177.html =A0 ArialCheers, =A0 ArialKrispen = Hartung = Arial1999,1999,FFFFhttp://www.krispenhartung.com= =A0 Arialp.s. Rainer, fess up...who were you able to record orver the broadcast=A0with any degree of fidelity? Enquiring minds want to know... :) =A0 = --Apple-Mail-2-592137134-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 13 17:49:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D37243BF24; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:49:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:49:56 -0600 Message-Id: <200510131749.j9DHnuM14085@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: "Loop" Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: TEST 2 please disregard X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.19.192 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:49:50 +0000 (UTC) Sorry, another blocking test Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 13 18:38:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F1123BF1F; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:38:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Greg Powers" To: "'Kris Hartung'" Cc: Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings - I Guess I'll Share Mine First Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:38:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0097_01C5CFEA.959453B0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcXQGp3L1Oc+ynrxQoGmaRckY+mdNQACeDqg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 In-Reply-To: <02c501c5cf96$4ef5e8f0$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-Id: <20051013183803.E26093BF0E@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:38:11 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0097_01C5CFEA.959453B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kris, I am happy to share my file with the list. It was a first attempt at looping live, thought I've used similar techniques in the studio. I'm afraid it doesn't reach anywhere near what I had intended/hoped, but that's showbiz, and I guess it's interesting as an example of a first go at it. And there's a few good moments in there! Best, -greg- _____ From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 6:35 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Y2K5 Performance Recordings - I Guess I'll Share Mine First While I'm waiting for others to download their Y2K5 performance files, receive them on CD-R, or decide whether they want to share their music with the LD list, I guess I'll share my set first, especially since mine was the only set where the streaming server went down and thus no one on LD was able to hear it. Unfortunately, I couldn't play AND monitor the stream at the same time! My brain just doesn't operate that way. :) So, for what it's worth, here it is...one gigantor 30 minute, evolving, improvisational piece: http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html Cheers, Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com p.s. Rainer, fess up...who were you able to record orver the broadcast with any degree of fidelity? Enquiring minds want to know... :) ------=_NextPart_000_0097_01C5CFEA.959453B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Kris,

 

I am happy to share my file with = the list. It was a first attempt at looping live, thought I’ve used similar techniques in the studio. I’m afraid it doesn’t reach = anywhere near what I had intended/hoped, but that’s showbiz, and I guess = it’s interesting as an example of a first go at it. And there’s a few = good moments in there!

 

Best,

 

-greg-

 

From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October = 12, 2005 6:35 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Y2K5 Performance Recordings - I Guess I'll Share Mine First

 

While I'm waiting for = others to download their Y2K5 performance files, receive them on CD-R, or = decide whether they want to share their music with the LD list, I guess I'll = share my set first, especially since mine was the only set where the streaming = server went down and thus no one on LD was able to hear it. Unfortunately, I = couldn't play AND monitor the stream at the same time!  My brain just = doesn't operate that way.  :)

 

So, for what it's worth, = here it is...one gigantor 30 minute, evolving, improvisational = piece:

 

 

Cheers,

 

Krispen = Hartung

 

p.s. Rainer, fess up...who = were you able to record orver the broadcast with any degree of fidelity? = Enquiring minds want to know... :)

 

------=_NextPart_000_0097_01C5CFEA.959453B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 13 19:00:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 076933BF27; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:00:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03ac01c5d028$62bc8b40$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20051013183803.E26093BF0E@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Y2K5 Performance Recordings Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:00:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_03A9_01C5CFF6.17555560" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 349, in=145194, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:00:35 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03A9_01C5CFF6.17555560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Outstanding. Thanks, Greg. Here is the evolving list, folks, Ghost 7 included:=20 Greg Powers http://box.net/public/khartung/files/976586.html Ghost 7 http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975372.html Krispen Hartung http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html I think Ted Killian is up next. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Greg Powers=20 To: 'Kris Hartung'=20 Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 12:38 PM Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings - I Guess I'll Share Mine = First Kris, =20 I am happy to share my file with the list. It was a first attempt at = looping live, thought I've used similar techniques in the studio. I'm = afraid it doesn't reach anywhere near what I had intended/hoped, but = that's showbiz, and I guess it's interesting as an example of a first go = at it. And there's a few good moments in there! =20 Best, =20 -greg- =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 6:35 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Y2K5 Performance Recordings - I Guess I'll Share Mine First =20 While I'm waiting for others to download their Y2K5 performance files, = receive them on CD-R, or decide whether they want to share their music = with the LD list, I guess I'll share my set first, especially since mine = was the only set where the streaming server went down and thus no one on = LD was able to hear it. Unfortunately, I couldn't play AND monitor the = stream at the same time! My brain just doesn't operate that way. :) =20 So, for what it's worth, here it is...one gigantor 30 minute, = evolving, improvisational piece: =20 http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html =20 Cheers, =20 Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com =20 p.s. Rainer, fess up...who were you able to record orver the broadcast = with any degree of fidelity? Enquiring minds want to know... :) =20 ------=_NextPart_000_03A9_01C5CFF6.17555560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Outstanding. Thanks, = Greg.
 
Here is the evolving list, folks, Ghost = 7 included:=20
 
Greg Powers
 
Ghost 7
 
Krispen Hartung
http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html
 
I think Ted Killian is up = next.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Greg=20 Powers
Cc: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, October 13, = 2005 12:38=20 PM
Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance = Recordings=20 - I Guess I'll Share Mine First

Kris,

 

I am happy = to share=20 my file with the list. It was a first attempt at looping live, thought = I=92ve=20 used similar techniques in the studio. I=92m afraid it doesn=92t reach = anywhere=20 near what I had intended/hoped, but that=92s showbiz, and I guess = it=92s=20 interesting as an example of a first go at it. And there=92s a few = good moments=20 in there!

 

Best,

 

-greg-

 

From: Kris=20 Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, = 2005 6:35=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Y2K5 Performance = Recordings - I=20 Guess I'll Share Mine First

 

While I'm waiting for = others to=20 download their Y2K5 performance files, receive them on CD-R, or = decide=20 whether they want to share their music with the LD list, I guess I'll = share my=20 set first, especially since mine was the only set where the streaming = server=20 went down and thus no one on LD was able to hear it. Unfortunately, I = couldn't=20 play AND monitor the stream at the same time!  My brain just = doesn't=20 operate that way.  :)

 

So, for what it's worth, = here it=20 is...one gigantor 30 minute, evolving, improvisational=20 piece:

 

http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html

 

Cheers,

 

Krispen=20 Hartung

http://www.krispenhartung.com<= /SPAN>

 

p.s. Rainer, fess = up...who were=20 you able to record orver the broadcast with any degree of = fidelity?=20 Enquiring minds want to know... :)

 

= ------=_NextPart_000_03A9_01C5CFF6.17555560-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 13 20:21:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2802A3BF2B; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:21:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WI/RqOBWSteL1FSwNbIHZfOab71MuNlHuaeHKiAAfkH4Z+cLBtpgFDNb+srZAOcHxgUU1u6UYuwYnTTExVBaCybks2aOWNlGwnLJH8rAGibOiFbSOjyB47RhjHxo1WdpbspVaGDnbcoS1WEoYm/7KiJQC4blqRHfLFSOaIWvzZA= ; Message-ID: <20051013202100.95279.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:20:59 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: Digitech Jamman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051012200938.NORO4169.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:21:03 +0000 (UTC) Man, the more I hear about the new JamMan and LoopStation the more I love my Repeater. Flawed it may be but man compared to what you kids are describing it is the perfect machine. I wonder if they'll ever release v2? --- Gary Lehmann wrote: > One assumes that the loop stops playing while it is > being saved-- > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Hartnett > [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 11:35 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman > > The limitation of both the JamMan and the Loop > Station is that if you > create a loop (via live recording and overdubbing), > you must then > press a small button on the pedal to SAVE the loop. > If you haven't > saved the loop, when you switch to another loop, the > prior loop will > be lost. > > If you've got a set of loops (which might serve as > verses and choruses > and whatnot) that you've already created AND saved, > then you can > switch between them in a foot-controlled manner > during a performance. > > TravisH > > On 10/12/05, sonic steph wrote: > > I am about to upload my looping gear with the > jamman, but I want to be > > sure with what I could do with this.. > > > > I read in you recent post, that you need to save > the loop (manual > > operation) before switching to another one if you > want ot keep what you > > have done .. is that really true? > > > > __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 13 20:46:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CBD23BF2D; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:46:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TnJSEB8izqcp0tdvKZJH2U3eLqRsj49Tvb69bCwSLXE9phsMzWD0kdCh5w7zM0wfL5vIa3Lln2ADqo5jAQEBPWv6SGAj4IzJelIEYBJf4YyO98PeErwHfHfugNmXBgf6kKHOG3M/TaI06C6H7kVoh3tatZ28b35eRpHxYU3Ecf0= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:46:09 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman In-Reply-To: <20051013202100.95279.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051012200938.NORO4169.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> <20051013202100.95279.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:46:12 +0000 (UTC) It does make one wonder about their hypothetical target audience and use-case scenarios when they were conceiving and designing the device (JamMan and LS-XL). Both of them seem to have been more aimed at people showing up to play with pre-recorded loops. Or maybe they were thought of more as home study tools. On 10/13/05, mark sottilaro wrote: > Man, the more I hear about the new JamMan and > LoopStation the more I love my Repeater. Flawed it > may be but man compared to what you kids are > describing it is the perfect machine. I wonder if > they'll ever release v2? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 13 20:55:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DA6A3BF39; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:55:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Repeater--saving loops stops play? (was Digitech Jamman) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 13:55:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcXQNxTCJjEyeFiQSFyEpkcJ7NJsaQAAOLsw Message-Id: <20051013205508.BKKS19461.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 20:55:23 +0000 (UTC) -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett wrote: It does make one wonder about their hypothetical target audience and use-case scenarios when they were conceiving and designing the device (JamMan and LS-XL). Both of them seem to have been more aimed at people showing up to play with pre-recorded loops. Or maybe they were thought of more as home study tools. ---> They are designed for and priced to sell to entry level consumers-- BTW, the Repeater also is unable to save to a CFC card without stopping the loop isn't it? Gary On 10/13/05, mark sottilaro wrote: > Man, the more I hear about the new JamMan and > LoopStation the more I love my Repeater. Flawed it > may be but man compared to what you kids are > describing it is the perfect machine. I wonder if > they'll ever release v2? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 13 21:11:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 121153BF38; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:11:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=phDFhLjK0UJrW/xMLjdDGBNm0cm6Wh5HGT2kxdu4ORO17zBSJmA9CSTNUXYsqLvczLNsW+/F8UCSRE5ZR4pE4g7z5PrU83QWE3EAcXZWR4GCBYmu1DcX363fixt2gZN0tVmFL2lCNsTzc/5h/njMXX5p+OHLqMkoEs9comxSPv0= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:11:36 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater--saving loops stops play? (was Digitech Jamman) In-Reply-To: <20051013205508.BKKS19461.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051013205508.BKKS19461.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:11:38 +0000 (UTC) I thought the Repeater didn't require that by design, but that if you weren't using one of the "blessed" CFC cards, it would hiccup when you tried to make it work too hard. Since dedicated hardware loopers aren't a standard piece of gear, I think they're beyond the beginner or entry-level market, regardless of the price. Including a looper function in a sub-$200 multi-effector floor unit seems aimed at that market. Some 14-year old kid at Guitar Center probably isn't going to drop $300 on a JamMan or Loop Station, which "only" loop. For slightly less, he can pick up a DL-4 which could be used as a delay on every song without even evoking the looping feature. Regardless--I'm curious as to what they thought this hypothetical market was going to do with the looper that would justify the purchase price. TravisH On 10/13/05, Gary Lehmann wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Hartnett wrote: > > It does make one wonder about their hypothetical target audience and > use-case scenarios when they were conceiving and designing the device > (JamMan and LS-XL). Both of them seem to have been more aimed at > people showing up to play with pre-recorded loops. Or maybe they were > thought of more as home study tools. > > ---> They are designed for and priced to sell to entry level consumers-- > BTW, the Repeater also is unable to save to a CFC card without stopping t= he > loop isn't it? > Gary > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 13 21:14:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DC5E3BF3F; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:14:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:14:21 -0600 Message-Id: <200510132114.j9DLELM14240@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: Repeater--saving loops stops play? (was Digitech Jamman) X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.19.192 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:14:19 +0000 (UTC) > BTW, the Repeater also is unable to save to a CFC card without stopping the > loop isn't it? > Gary Only if you record in the volatile 1st loop (that is erased when powered down). If you advance to a spot on the memory card and start looping there the loop is automatically saved when you hit stop. Kevin How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 13 21:22:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5433C3BF47; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:22:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3Aaof5vWpNPiFSQRa4P4G1vN/WjLrm6+HvUN9RuBKIpccbdNll1fgcHxlyK+uCVThcrZtWwMhURMU0JCCNfVwdfHM+wUm2kiIXyQXqVxjHmiv51zbvgbXAXRN4GIB2yhcGCCCB3lPjNYBp47UkZeviEpHzaD5KzUvMpvDWIqDdg= ; Message-ID: <20051013212243.7564.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 14:22:42 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Repeater--saving loops stops play? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051013211138.B145F3BF48@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:22:44 +0000 (UTC) Not at all. With the Repeater, you can record onto the internal memory OR you can record straight onto the CFC card. All you have to do is decide beforehand. However, IF you record to the internal memory and then want to copy that over to the CFC card, then yes, you have to stop the machine. I agree with Mark, the more I hear about these entry level pedals, the more I'm glad I plunked down $450 back in the day... Stephen > BTW, the Repeater also is unable to save to a CFC card without stopping the > loop isn't it? > Gary > __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 13 22:26:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C9F23BF3A; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 22:26:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <434EDF48.6020209@Hevanet.com> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:27:20 -0700 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater--saving loops stops play? References: <20051013212243.7564.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051013212243.7564.qmail@web34203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 22:26:30 +0000 (UTC) S V G wrote: > Not at all. With the Repeater, you can record onto the internal memory OR you can record >straight onto the CFC card. All you have to do is decide beforehand. > > However, IF you record to the internal memory and then want to copy that over to the CFC >card, then yes, you have to stop the machine. > > . . Stephen...Copy-while-Play works on mine. I just now copied from Internal to CFC, and then copied from CFC to Internal...both times my loop kept on playing (almost like "train kept rolling all night long" Yardbirds). . . > I agree with Mark, the more I hear about these entry level pedals, the more I'm glad I >plunked down $450 back in the day... > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~Verily!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David > Stephen > > > > >>BTW, the Repeater also is unable to save to a CFC card without stopping the >>loop isn't it? >>Gary >> >> >> > > > > >__________________________________ >Yahoo! Music Unlimited >Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. >http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 13 23:32:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 198E33BF27; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 23:32:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3pZlV0fyCExrlEMxdrC68YzsmZWSdtj9wgCE9KTajP646jFXw/6HMEcZXUKpQlH2StaMLiF+yHdivCQ6Fi4uqg/dxkqTfy2+BfndxtSJQp+6/m4zCcZ9uQ09D8oquT38a/YKe+5amsPQexaN7oJg/lt/XaKKUrnBhA5Ky3D6BQA= ; Message-ID: <20051013233254.41774.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:32:54 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Repeater-- Speculation and disinformation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <434EDF48.6020209@Hevanet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 23:32:56 +0000 (UTC) Hey gang, I know this is kind of weird, but I notice that you often read replies to Repeater questions/posts with some kind of negative speculation or comment and as far as I can tell you don't own one and maybe never have. Why do people do this? It usually goes something like, "oh I don't think the Repeater does X" and then I or someone else comes on and corrects you (I remember comments of really long latency come to mind [it's around 14ms]) It seems like pointed jabs at "the other guy" similar to cartoons of Calvin pissing on a Chevy logo. I must admit the day I see an Echoplex with a Calvin sticker pissing on an Electrix logo I'll pee my pants. It's fine to ask a question about a piece of gear like "how does one save a loop to memory on the Repeater (answer: when you choose the CFC memory it happens automatically upon closing the loop the first time), but a pointed statement like "BTW, the Repeater also is unable to save to a CFC card without stopping the loop isn't it?" just fuels misinformation and rumor. Mark --- ".David.Auker." wrote: > > > S V G wrote: > > > Not at all. With the Repeater, you can record > onto the internal memory OR you can record > >straight onto the CFC card. All you have to do is > decide beforehand. > > > > However, IF you record to the internal memory > and then want to copy that over to the CFC > >card, then yes, you have to stop the machine. > > > > > . > . > Stephen...Copy-while-Play works on mine. I just now > copied from Internal > to CFC, and then copied from CFC to Internal...both > times my loop kept > on playing (almost like "train kept rolling all > night long" Yardbirds). > . > . > > > I agree with Mark, the more I hear about these > entry level pedals, the more I'm glad I > >plunked down $450 back in the day... > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~Verily!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > David > > > Stephen > > > > > > > > > >>BTW, the Repeater also is unable to save to a CFC > card without stopping the > >>loop isn't it? > >>Gary > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Yahoo! Music Unlimited > >Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > >http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 13 23:45:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D42C33BF2E; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 23:45:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JANU6fYEpbf1E5Soxq4l3q7uK+/MyNNiWvfMCR7+Hx8tAEy4RUuF2dDL41zJKSBvvARI0EFbQ+FCJeNiuEQKx/J++JRO0kBiY3zPF+VMfF7cVwjNN/cmjQJM99LfYrOMAVR+JYjq9nqq6FfpVB9bMr16yoi/vy0SznaWfUayHso= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 16:45:12 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater-- Speculation and disinformation In-Reply-To: <20051013233254.41774.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <434EDF48.6020209@Hevanet.com> <20051013233254.41774.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 23:45:14 +0000 (UTC) Oh, I don't know about that--SVG has a Repeater and seemed to be reporting different behavior than you are. I don't think there's a Repeater-bashing tendency on the the list. The Repeater seems to have some quirks that are all the more infuriating because of the unrealised, yet quite visible potential of the overall concept. Perhaps if there was a Repeater FAQ on the Tools of the Trade page, this sort of misinformation wouldn't keep cropping up? Kim's always looking for contributions for those pages. TravisH On 10/13/05, mark sottilaro wrote: > Hey gang, > > I know this is kind of weird, but I notice that you > often read replies to Repeater questions/posts with > some kind of negative speculation or comment and as > far as I can tell you don't own one and maybe never > have. Why do people do this? It usually goes > something like, "oh I don't think the Repeater does X" > and then I or someone else comes on and corrects you > (I remember comments of really long latency come to > mind [it's around 14ms]) It seems like pointed jabs > at "the other guy" similar to cartoons of Calvin > pissing on a Chevy logo. I must admit the day I see > an Echoplex with a Calvin sticker pissing on an > Electrix logo I'll pee my pants. > > It's fine to ask a question about a piece of gear like > "how does one save a loop to memory on the Repeater > (answer: when you choose the CFC memory it happens > automatically upon closing the loop the first time), > but a pointed statement like "BTW, the Repeater also > is unable to save to a CFC card without stopping the > loop isn't it?" just fuels misinformation and rumor. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 13 23:59:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0042B3BF43; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 23:59:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,212,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="1664999505:sNHT16022236" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: <434EDF48.6020209@Hevanet.com> <20051013233254.41774.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: Repeater-- Speculation and disinformation Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:59:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: <9LPtTC.A.6dG.JTvTDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 23:59:05 +0000 (UTC) Well we sure don't want to go back to the days of the JamMan versus Echoplex flame wars. 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I must admit the day I see >> an Echoplex with a Calvin sticker pissing on an >> Electrix logo I'll pee my pants. >> >> It's fine to ask a question about a piece of gear like >> "how does one save a loop to memory on the Repeater >> (answer: when you choose the CFC memory it happens >> automatically upon closing the loop the first time), >> but a pointed statement like "BTW, the Repeater also >> is unable to save to a CFC card without stopping the >> loop isn't it?" just fuels misinformation and rumor. >> >> Mark >> > From mary@flanaganworld.net Fri Oct 14 00:06:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from hotmail.com (bay16-f1.bay16.hotmail.com [65.54.186.51]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47D373BF0A; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 00:06:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:06:49 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 192.116.126.133 by by16fd.bay16.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 00:06:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [192.116.126.133] X-Originating-Email: [mary@flanaganworld.net] X-Sender: mary@flanaganworld.net From: "mary flanagan" Subject: YOU ARE OCT WINNNIG Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 00:06:49 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2005 00:06:49.0259 (UTC) FILETIME=[2C36F7B0:01C5D053] To: undisclosed-recipients:; British Lottery Headquarters: Customer Service 28 TANFIELD ROAD, CROYDON.LONDON Ref: BTL/491OXI/04 Batch: 12/25/0304 Date: 23/02/2005 WINNING NOTIFICATION: We happily announce to you the draw of the British Lottery International programs held on the 1st of OCT 2005 in London.Your e-mail address attached to ticket number: 564 75600545 188 with Serial number 5388/02 drew the lucky numbers:31-6-26-13-35-7,which subsequently won you the lottery in the 2nd category.You are therefore, been approved to claim a total sum of US$2,500,000.00 (Two million, five hundred thousand, United StatesDollars) in cash credited to file KPC/9080118308/02.This is from a total cash prize of US $125 Million dollars, shared amongst the first Fifty (50) lucky winners in this category. 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LOTTERY CO-ORDINATOR From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 01:28:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 985603BF39; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 01:28:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FEZBuoGab3Joci1C0lzxnW5P7xaOn11trkN1k4d5aH+EVyMa8wdZYwWa8ZeXjn2pzMS/q/36LkNSfXjFvWRKFCoB4H1831gK9CwFcSnHxP0+i2/4OTIcsS7neW4mwF9p65icFVm6HYLN96zw+lAeIw4vdRwdz5nkozgM1m8bnWQ= ; Message-ID: <20051014012830.87293.qmail@web50802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:28:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Janosik Subject: Re: Repeater-- Speculation and disinformation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1812004314-1129253310=:86797" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 01:28:31 +0000 (UTC) --0-1812004314-1129253310=:86797 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit For some of the mindless noodling I've heard from a few of this sites members, a $300 unit would be overkill in some cases. :) Kelly Coyle wrote:Well we sure don't want to go back to the days of the JamMan versus Echoplex flame wars. I was lurking back then, too. (Actually, I've been lurking for, what, a decade, on and off? Someone should ask about LiSa, just for old time's sake.) Hey, since I'm here, I'm awaiting a Receptor. I'm eager to see if Mobius will run on it. Loopy Llama does, anyway, along with a lot of pretty cool delays. I'll post if it does (or not) when I can test it (once I get it). On Oct 13, 2005, at 6:45 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Oh, I don't know about that--SVG has a Repeater and seemed to be > reporting different behavior than you are. I don't think there's a > Repeater-bashing tendency on the the list. The Repeater seems to have > some quirks that are all the more infuriating because of the > unrealised, yet quite visible potential of the overall concept. > > Perhaps if there was a Repeater FAQ on the Tools of the Trade page, > this sort of misinformation wouldn't keep cropping up? Kim's always > looking for contributions for those pages. > > TravisH > > > On 10/13/05, mark sottilaro wrote: > >> Hey gang, >> >> I know this is kind of weird, but I notice that you >> often read replies to Repeater questions/posts with >> some kind of negative speculation or comment and as >> far as I can tell you don't own one and maybe never >> have. Why do people do this? It usually goes >> something like, "oh I don't think the Repeater does X" >> and then I or someone else comes on and corrects you >> (I remember comments of really long latency come to >> mind [it's around 14ms]) It seems like pointed jabs >> at "the other guy" similar to cartoons of Calvin >> pissing on a Chevy logo. I must admit the day I see >> an Echoplex with a Calvin sticker pissing on an >> Electrix logo I'll pee my pants. >> >> It's fine to ask a question about a piece of gear like >> "how does one save a loop to memory on the Repeater >> (answer: when you choose the CFC memory it happens >> automatically upon closing the loop the first time), >> but a pointed statement like "BTW, the Repeater also >> is unable to save to a CFC card without stopping the >> loop isn't it?" just fuels misinformation and rumor. >> >> Mark >> > --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. --0-1812004314-1129253310=:86797 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
For some of the mindless noodling I've heard from a few of this sites members, a $300 unit would be overkill in some cases. :)

Kelly Coyle <kellycoyle@charter.net> wrote:
Well we sure don't want to go back to the days of the JamMan versus
Echoplex flame wars. I was lurking back then, too. (Actually, I've
been lurking for, what, a decade, on and off? Someone should ask
about LiSa, just for old time's sake.)

Hey, since I'm here, I'm awaiting a Receptor. I'm eager to see if
Mobius will run on it. Loopy Llama does, anyway, along with a lot of
pretty cool delays. I'll post if it does (or not) when I can test it
(once I get it).



On Oct 13, 2005, at 6:45 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote:

> Oh, I don't know about that--SVG has a Repeater and seemed to be
> reporting different behavior than you are. I don't think there's a
> Repeater-bashing tendency on the the list. The Repeater seems to have
> some quirks that are all the more infuriating because of the
> unrealised, yet quite visible potential of the overall concept.
>
> Perhaps if there was a Repeater FAQ on the Tools of the Trade page,
> this sort of misinformation wouldn't keep cropping up? Kim's always
> looking for contributions for those pages.
>
> TravisH
>
>
> On 10/13/05, mark sottilaro wrote:
>
>> Hey gang,
>>
>> I know this is kind of weird, but I notice that you
>> often read replies to Repeater questions/posts with
>> some kind of negative speculation or comment and as
>> far as I can tell you don't own one and maybe never
>> have. Why do people do this? It usually goes
>> something like, "oh I don't think the Repeater does X"
>> and then I or someone else comes on and corrects you
>> (I remember comments of really long latency come to
>> mind [it's around 14ms]) It seems like pointed jabs
>> at "the other guy" similar to cartoons of Calvin
>> pissing on a Chevy logo. I must admit the day I see
>> an Echoplex with a Calvin sticker pissing on an
>> Electrix logo I'll pee my pants.
>>
>> It's fine to ask a question about a piece of gear like
>> "how does one save a loop to memory on the Repeater
>> (answer: when you choose the CFC memory it happens
>> automatically upon closing the loop the first time),
>> but a pointed statement like "BTW, the Repeater also
>> is unable to save to a CFC card without stopping the
>> loop isn't it?" just fuels misinformation and rumor.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>

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Try it free. --0-1812004314-1129253310=:86797-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 01:31:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D2813BF33; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 01:31:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,212,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="101806854:sNHT22281492" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emilet@pop.rcn.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:24:36 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Immersions 10.15.05 Dr. T, Dean Stiglitz,Ramona Herboldsheimer, Neil Leonard , Haruka Horii, Helena Schniewind Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 01:31:21 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I'll be doing another show in the immersions series this Saturday at Artists at Larghe Gallery in Hyde Park. "Immersions" is a monthly genre-crossing intermedia improvisation series built around the core of Doctor T (Video), Dean Stiglitz (ElectroFlute and Electronics) and Ramona Herboldsheimer (Hammered Dulcimer and Other Things) with guest musicians and sometimes dancers or other visual artists. The performance is a dialog between music and imagery, with the performers in each medium reacting to the other. The next edition of Immersions will take place on Saturday Oct 15, and will feature my old friend and Berklee faculty member Neil Leonard on reeds and computer, Haruka Horii on violin , and the live videography of Helena Schniewind. Admission is by donation -- suggested donation is $7.00 Phone 617-276-3223. Directions http://artistsatlargeinc.org/directions.html Doctor T had been performing improvised projections to music since 1974, His flowing visual improvisations blend realism and abstraction. He mixes DVD's with video and animations culled from 35 years of image-making, using multiple video mixers controlled with a Midi percussion controller. Dean Stiglitz is a flautist, composer, flute-maker , inventor, and synthesist. He improvises on a hybrid flute- synthesizer system that he has created using an embedded microphone and a custom patched modular synthesizer. Ramona Herboldsheimer is a delightfully intuitive performer on amplified hammered dulcimer. Dean and Ramona are long standing members of The Lothars. -- "Once the search is in progress, something will be found" -- Brian Eno and Peter Schmidt Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 01:53:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E11363BF40; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 01:53:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XRNmmXPxSFszshORYka5BXIUTWrJd4u4ZiL/a2cAwCyHYqneV+mX+OCfqkpqWdkuD4339vUFV9YZX695Al6DOqtITwl7aOviyCQrBudV4EcHzmyxk6NXB5q4JvuegD4BqfEkQS0KyObfw8DWevBhieC6KlB8MMDp4pnyBbuGSGE= ; Message-ID: <20051014015325.8910.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 18:53:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Janosik Subject: Re: Repeater-- Speculation and disinformation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051014012830.87293.qmail@web50802.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-390104750-1129254805=:7723" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 01:53:26 +0000 (UTC) --0-390104750-1129254805=:7723 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Seriously, I don't know why some of the "elitists" are bashing the new Jamman. The old Boomerang only had one loop, if I remember correctly. Did that make it a piece of crap? Maybe the Jamman isn't ideal for live looping if one's goal is to create soundscapes, ambient stuff or similar, but it has a lot of value and capabilities, IMHO, particularly in the home studio. J Janosik wrote: For some of the mindless noodling I've heard from a few of this sites members, a $300 unit would be overkill in some cases. :) Kelly Coyle wrote: Well we sure don't want to go back to the days of the JamMan versus Echoplex flame wars. I was lurking back then, too. (Actually, I've been lurking for, what, a decade, on and off? Someone should ask about LiSa, just for old time's sake.) Hey, since I'm here, I'm awaiting a Receptor. I'm eager to see if Mobius will run on it. Loopy Llama does, anyway, along with a lot of pretty cool delays. I'll post if it does (or not) when I can test it (once I get it). On Oct 13, 2005, at 6:45 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Oh, I don't know about that--SVG has a Repeater and seemed to be > reporting different behavior than you are. I don't think there's a > Repeater-bashing tendency on the the list. The Repeater seems to have > some quirks that are all the more infuriating because of the > unrealised, yet quite visible potential of the overall concept. > > Perhaps if there was a Repeater FAQ on the Tools of the Trade page, > this sort of misinformation wouldn't keep cropping up? Kim's always > looking for contributions for those pages. > > TravisH > > > On 10/13/05, mark sottilaro wrote: > >> Hey gang, >> >> I know this is kind of weird, but I notice that you >> often read replies to Repeater questions/posts with >> some kind of negative speculation or comment and as >> far as I can tell you don't own one and maybe never >> have. Why do people do this? It usually goes >> something like, "oh I don't think the Repeater does X" >> and then I or someone else comes on and corrects you >> (I remember comments of really long latency come to >> mind [it's around 14ms]) It seems like pointed jabs >> at "the other guy" similar to cartoons of Calvin >> pissing on a Chevy logo. I must admit the day I see >> an Echoplex with a Calvin sticker pissing on an >> Electrix logo I'll pee my pants. >> >> It's fine to ask a question about a piece of gear like >> "how does one save a loop to memory on the Repeater >> (answer: when you choose the CFC memory it happens >> automatically upon closing the loop the first time), >> but a pointed statement like "BTW, the Repeater also >> is unable to save to a CFC card without stopping the >> loop isn't it?" just fuels misinformation and rumor. >> >> Mark >> > --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. --0-390104750-1129254805=:7723 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Seriously, I don't know why some of the "elitists" are bashing the new Jamman. The old Boomerang only had one loop, if I remember correctly. Did that make it a piece of crap?
 
Maybe the Jamman isn't ideal for live looping if one's goal is to create soundscapes, ambient stuff or similar, but it has a lot of value and capabilities, IMHO, particularly in the home studio.
 
J

Janosik <wklemmer1@yahoo.com> wrote:
For some of the mindless noodling I've heard from a few of this sites members, a $300 unit would be overkill in some cases. :)

Kelly Coyle <kellycoyle@charter.net> wrote:
Well we sure don't want to go back to the days of the JamMan versus
Echoplex flame wars. I was lurking back then, too. (Actually, I've
been lurking for, what, a decade, on and off? Someone should ask
about LiSa, just for old time's sake.)

Hey, since I'm here, I'm awaiting a Receptor. I'm eager to see if
Mobius will run on it. Loopy Llama does, anyway, along with a lot of
pretty cool delays. I'll post if it does (or not) when I can test it
(once I get it).



On Oct 13, 2005, at 6:45 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote:

> Oh, I don't know about that--SVG has a Repeater and seemed to be
> reporting different behavior than you are. I don't think there's a
> Repeater-bashing tendency on the the list. The Repeater seems to have
> some quirks that are all the more infuriating because of the
> unrealised, yet quite visible potential of the overall concept.
>
> Perhaps if there was a Repeater FAQ on the Tools of the Trade page,
> this sort of misinformation wouldn't keep cropping up? Kim's always
> looking for contributions for those pages.
>
> TravisH
>
>
> On 10/13/05, mark sottilaro wrote:
>
>> Hey gang,
>>
>> I know this is kind of weird, but I notice that you
>> often read replies to Repeater questions/posts with
>> some kind of negative speculation or comment and as
>> far as I can tell you don't own one and maybe never
>> have. Why do people do this? It usually goes
>> something like, "oh I don't think the Repeater does X"
>> and then I or someone else comes on and corrects you
>> (I remember comments of really long latency come to
>> mind [it's around 14ms]) It seems like pointed jabs
>> at "the other guy" similar to cartoons of Calvin
>> pissing on a Chevy logo. I must admit the day I see
>> an Echoplex with a Calvin sticker pissing on an
>> Electrix logo I'll pee my pants.
>>
>> It's fine to ask a question about a piece of gear like
>> "how does one save a loop to memory on the Repeater
>> (answer: when you choose the CFC memory it happens
>> automatically upon closing the loop the first time),
>> but a pointed statement like "BTW, the Repeater also
>> is unable to save to a CFC card without stopping the
>> loop isn't it?" just fuels misinformation and rumor.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>

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Try it free. --0-390104750-1129254805=:7723-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 02:19:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAA913BF3A; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 02:19:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:20:22 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Mobius on the Receptor (was Repeater-- Speculation and disinformation) In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <434F15E6.9050407@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <434EDF48.6020209@Hevanet.com> <20051013233254.41774.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 02:19:05 +0000 (UTC) Kelly Coyle wrote: > Hey, since I'm here, I'm awaiting a Receptor. I'm eager to see if > Mobius will run on it. Loopy Llama does, anyway, along with a lot of > pretty cool delays. I'll post if it does (or not) when I can test it > (once I get it). Sorry to disappoint you but I'm fairly certain Mobius will not run on a Receptor. Mobius was originally designed as a standalone application and as such it is not a "pure" VST plugin. In particular it does not use VSTGUI, a popular cross-platform user interface toolkit that a lot of plugins use. Some of the synchronization features also require that it make direct contact with Windows MIDI devices which is not allowed in portable VSTs. Unless they've done a spectacular job on their Windows emulator (Receptor internally runs Linux) I doubt it will work. If you get any diagnostic messages with details about what Receptor didn't like I'd like to see them. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 02:43:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E00573BF42; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 02:43:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,212,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="372366755:sNHT16087512" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <434F15E6.9050407@sun.com> References: <434EDF48.6020209@Hevanet.com> <20051013233254.41774.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> <434F15E6.9050407@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <61345999-977E-459E-9255-E812E302411A@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: Mobius on the Receptor (was Repeater-- Speculation and disinformation) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 21:43:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 02:43:28 +0000 (UTC) Will do. A guy can dream... Loopy Llama does run. It's more of a JamMan style looper than an EDP =20 style looper. That's my fallback option. I'm really hoping for =20 Mobius, of course. There's also lots of Fripp-inspired tape delay =20 simulations, FWIW, and a lot of the more complicated delays have loop-=20= like options (see OhmBoyz). One downside is that the Receptor has the =20= Worlds Most Stupid MIDI Implementation=A9. They're supposed to fix =20 that, to some extent, in the next software revision. I want the =20 Receptor regardless of Mobius, but it would be killer with it. On Oct 13, 2005, at 9:20 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > Kelly Coyle wrote: > >> Hey, since I'm here, I'm awaiting a Receptor. I'm eager to see if =20= >> Mobius will run on it. Loopy Llama does, anyway, along with a lot =20 >> of pretty cool delays. I'll post if it does (or not) when I can =20 >> test it (once I get it). >> > > Sorry to disappoint you but I'm fairly certain Mobius will not run > on a Receptor. Mobius was originally designed as a standalone > application and as such it is not a "pure" VST plugin. In particular > it does not use VSTGUI, a popular cross-platform user interface =20 > toolkit > that a lot of plugins use. Some of the synchronization features also > require that it make direct contact with Windows MIDI devices which is > not allowed in portable VSTs. > > Unless they've done a spectacular job on their Windows emulator > (Receptor internally runs Linux) I doubt it will work. If you > get any diagnostic messages with details about what Receptor didn't > like I'd like to see them. > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 02:59:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B1483BF45; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 02:59:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JY7bu8KPNp9pb0Zt4UALGLOCmsp9tWfCf3K40ZinAdwfJSXryVV81jYW5PDeFBNmSldYA7KWVUPIyxGxNdDD2LF440MQN1v6w+h3SKjcGpnNho1wSBnN8/zF4kSmLmDEhcWUMJFVN6BJNcwZOgGTHS6D+ojCiFsGDNaUd/jeXnQ= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:59:41 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater-- Speculation and disinformation In-Reply-To: <20051014015325.8910.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051014012830.87293.qmail@web50802.mail.yahoo.com> <20051014015325.8910.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9J-EVD.A.vdD.e8xTDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 02:59:42 +0000 (UTC) Yes, the first version of the Boomerang only supported one loop, but that was seven or eight years ago. It also received its share of criticism regarding price/performance. Back then there was only the Boomerang and the EDP in production (I believe the JamMan had been discontinued and the Headrush was yet to come), and many people appreciated the straightforward interface and pedal form factor. It was so nifty that Line6 thought it'd be a good idea to pretty much copy the idea as their looper in the DL-4. After many years of dedicated hardware loopers, expectations are higher, and the new JamMan falls short for many people. Had they made it so that you could save the contents of a loop when switching to the next loop without bending over, stopping the loop and pressing a button, they'd have made the thing siginificantly more useful not for ambient soundscape type work, but for traditional song-based singer songwriters. As it is, it appears to me to be most useful for bringing in canned loops from home to the gig, or creating loops at home. Can one make music with it? Of course. Can one imagine the addition of one feature making it possible to do immensely more with it? Yes. Again, I'd love to talk to the project manager for the JamMan or the Loop Station and ask them what their use cases where when they were finalizing the design. Did they talk to musicians with significant looping experience, or what? TravisH On 10/13/05, Janosik wrote: > Seriously, I don't know why some of the "elitists" are bashing the new > Jamman. The old Boomerang only had one loop, if I remember correctly. Did > that make it a piece of crap? > > Maybe the Jamman isn't ideal for live looping if one's goal is to create > soundscapes, ambient stuff or similar, but it has a lot of value and > capabilities, IMHO, particularly in the home studio. > > J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 05:58:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2EBC3BF51; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 05:58:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=gyCJ9jA8SPlw1ZSZT9j74WJX985qGqlHUn7vkfAdMqanZex/yBtN4cityk0BaI5fHnRvV4vRWvs0UF+8AT7tbuBYINJSYJfdTH+J71cnjtNrxV7j2MKw9Wf7YpuIKsR8OkOHJEtg57Qk5XqbdbHjvl0vQsS/jhEltMyb6mlHumM= ; Message-ID: <000401c5d083$d4f0a100$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings - I Guess I'll Share Mine First Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:16:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01C5D02A.A950DD20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <6Pe80B.A.fbH.ik0TDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 05:58:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C5D02A.A950DD20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes thank you Kris. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: David Trenkel=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2005 7:06 PM Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings - I Guess I'll Share Mine = First Thanks for sharing this, Kris, I'm listening right now, very cool = stuff! Since I was on the road last weekend in Washington and Idaho, I = wasn't able to either attend Y2k5 or listen to the internet streams, so = it's really great to be able to check out the music after the fact. = Thanks! On Wednesday, October 12, 2005, at 06:34 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C5D02A.A950DD20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes thank you Kris.
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Thanks for sharing this, Kris, I'm listening right now, = very=20 cool stuff! Since I was on the road last weekend in Washington and = Idaho, I=20 wasn't able to either attend Y2k5 or listen to the internet streams, = so it's=20 really great to be able to check out the music after the fact. = Thanks!
On=20 Wednesday, October 12, 2005, at 06:34 PM, Kris Hartung wrote:

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Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 07:58:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DB9C3BF4E; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 07:58:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <61345999-977E-459E-9255-E812E302411A@charter.net> References: <434EDF48.6020209@Hevanet.com> <20051013233254.41774.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> <434F15E6.9050407@sun.com> <61345999-977E-459E-9255-E812E302411A@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mobius on the Receptor (was Repeater-- Speculation and disinformation) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 09:58:29 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 07:58:39 +0000 (UTC) Don't you thing the Lexicon PSP42 would be cool with the Receptor? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen On Oct 14, 2005, at 4:43, Kelly Coyle wrote: > Will do. A guy can dream... > > Loopy Llama does run. It's more of a JamMan style looper than an =20 > EDP style looper. That's my fallback option. I'm really hoping for =20 > Mobius, of course. There's also lots of Fripp-inspired tape delay =20 > simulations, FWIW, and a lot of the more complicated delays have =20 > loop-like options (see OhmBoyz). One downside is that the Receptor =20 > has the Worlds Most Stupid MIDI Implementation=A9. They're supposed =20= > to fix that, to some extent, in the next software revision. I want =20 > the Receptor regardless of Mobius, but it would be killer with it. > > > On Oct 13, 2005, at 9:20 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > > >> Kelly Coyle wrote: >> >> >>> Hey, since I'm here, I'm awaiting a Receptor. I'm eager to see =20 >>> if Mobius will run on it. Loopy Llama does, anyway, along with a =20= >>> lot of pretty cool delays. I'll post if it does (or not) when I =20 >>> can test it (once I get it). >>> >>> >> >> Sorry to disappoint you but I'm fairly certain Mobius will not run >> on a Receptor. Mobius was originally designed as a standalone >> application and as such it is not a "pure" VST plugin. In particular >> it does not use VSTGUI, a popular cross-platform user interface =20 >> toolkit >> that a lot of plugins use. Some of the synchronization features also >> require that it make direct contact with Windows MIDI devices =20 >> which is >> not allowed in portable VSTs. >> >> Unless they've done a spectacular job on their Windows emulator >> (Receptor internally runs Linux) I doubt it will work. If you >> get any diagnostic messages with details about what Receptor didn't >> like I'd like to see them. >> >> Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 10:40:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA7E33BF3A; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:40:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NHjm12ljwYiZ2Vof6w3pZIa23hZkxv3V+KrvFG9OFMREHOowPQZD4TYajrIOCoDo8RDjgR6cnm2e03mcX+nDq/8x5YaBFtwwYYBrwpQmi5QSq/KjPBHNYFBqRVnCb6R/cvZtXCoWA7fFps/j9MCx7SiDHqpsd59WHDNSxIFyVX8= ; Message-ID: <20051014104010.31465.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 03:40:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings - I Guess I'll Share Mine First To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051013183803.E26093BF0E@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:40:17 +0000 (UTC) Great Kris are you creating the insect efxs only with the VF-1? cheers Luis --- Greg Powers wrote: > Kris, > > > > I am happy to share my file with the list. It was a > first attempt at looping > live, thought I've used similar techniques in the > studio. I'm afraid it > doesn't reach anywhere near what I had > intended/hoped, but that's showbiz, > and I guess it's interesting as an example of a > first go at it. And there's > a few good moments in there! > > > > Best, > > > > -greg- > > > > _____ > > From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 6:35 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Y2K5 Performance Recordings - I Guess I'll > Share Mine First > > > > While I'm waiting for others to download their Y2K5 > performance files, > receive them on CD-R, or decide whether they want to > share their music with > the LD list, I guess I'll share my set first, > especially since mine was the > only set where the streaming server went down and > thus no one on LD was able > to hear it. Unfortunately, I couldn't play AND > monitor the stream at the > same time! My brain just doesn't operate that way. > :) > > > > So, for what it's worth, here it is...one gigantor > 30 minute, evolving, > improvisational piece: > > > > > http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html > > > > Cheers, > > > > Krispen Hartung > > http://www.krispenhartung.com > > > > p.s. Rainer, fess up...who were you able to record > orver the broadcast with > any degree of fidelity? Enquiring minds want to > know... :) > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! 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Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 11:40:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 563C53BF50; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 11:40:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <049801c5d0b4$11a8e820$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <434EDF48.6020209@Hevanet.com> <20051013233254.41774.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> <434F15E6.9050407@sun.com> <61345999-977E-459E-9255-E812E302411A@charter.net> Subject: Re: Mobius on the Receptor (was Repeater-- Speculation and disinformation) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 05:40:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 13, in=7812, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 11:40:33 +0000 (UTC) Better yet, PSP84. I like that versi0n much more than PSP42..much more powerful, but also processing intensive. PSP84 is laced through most all my live recordings in the last 8 months. You do mean the current VST plugins, right? Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 1:58 AM Subject: Re: Mobius on the Receptor (was Repeater-- Speculation and disinformation) Don't you thing the Lexicon PSP42 would be cool with the Receptor? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen On Oct 14, 2005, at 4:43, Kelly Coyle wrote: > Will do. A guy can dream... > > Loopy Llama does run. It's more of a JamMan style looper than an > EDP style looper. That's my fallback option. I'm really hoping for > Mobius, of course. There's also lots of Fripp-inspired tape delay > simulations, FWIW, and a lot of the more complicated delays have > loop-like options (see OhmBoyz). One downside is that the Receptor > has the Worlds Most Stupid MIDI Implementation©. They're supposed > to fix that, to some extent, in the next software revision. I want > the Receptor regardless of Mobius, but it would be killer with it. > > > On Oct 13, 2005, at 9:20 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > > >> Kelly Coyle wrote: >> >> >>> Hey, since I'm here, I'm awaiting a Receptor. I'm eager to see >>> if Mobius will run on it. Loopy Llama does, anyway, along with a >>> lot of pretty cool delays. I'll post if it does (or not) when I >>> can test it (once I get it). >>> >>> >> >> Sorry to disappoint you but I'm fairly certain Mobius will not run >> on a Receptor. Mobius was originally designed as a standalone >> application and as such it is not a "pure" VST plugin. In particular >> it does not use VSTGUI, a popular cross-platform user interface >> toolkit >> that a lot of plugins use. Some of the synchronization features also >> require that it make direct contact with Windows MIDI devices >> which is >> not allowed in portable VSTs. >> >> Unless they've done a spectacular job on their Windows emulator >> (Receptor internally runs Linux) I doubt it will work. If you >> get any diagnostic messages with details about what Receptor didn't >> like I'd like to see them. >> >> Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 11:43:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD0AD3BF57; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 11:43:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <04a201c5d0b4$729f4b60$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20051014104010.31465.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings - I Guess I'll Share Mine First Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 05:43:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 348, in=141572, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <-C0kwD.A.0XG.Sn5TDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 11:43:15 +0000 (UTC) Actually, if you mean the crazy sci-fi, 50's B horror movie sounds in the intro, that is a Pluggo VST suite effect called Feedback Generator. I start it up, play a few notes on my guitar, and the rest if me tweaking the parameters on my laptop. Loads of fun, man... Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Angulo" To: Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 4:40 AM Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings - I Guess I'll Share Mine First > Great Kris are you creating the insect efxs only with > the VF-1? > cheers > Luis > > --- Greg Powers wrote: > > > Kris, > > > > > > > > I am happy to share my file with the list. It was a > > first attempt at looping > > live, thought I've used similar techniques in the > > studio. I'm afraid it > > doesn't reach anywhere near what I had > > intended/hoped, but that's showbiz, > > and I guess it's interesting as an example of a > > first go at it. And there's > > a few good moments in there! > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > -greg- > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2005 6:35 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Y2K5 Performance Recordings - I Guess I'll > > Share Mine First > > > > > > > > While I'm waiting for others to download their Y2K5 > > performance files, > > receive them on CD-R, or decide whether they want to > > share their music with > > the LD list, I guess I'll share my set first, > > especially since mine was the > > only set where the streaming server went down and > > thus no one on LD was able > > to hear it. Unfortunately, I couldn't play AND > > monitor the stream at the > > same time! My brain just doesn't operate that way. > > :) > > > > > > > > So, for what it's worth, here it is...one gigantor > > 30 minute, evolving, > > improvisational piece: > > > > > > > > > > http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Krispen Hartung > > > > http://www.krispenhartung.com > > > > > > > > p.s. Rainer, fess up...who were you able to record > > orver the broadcast with > > any degree of fidelity? Enquiring minds want to > > know... :) > > > > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 12:22:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B7C13BF54; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:22:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Tur3Ra3CVjzosvH0V92M6RpJqt/DFfMBxDzUhMkwPxU1iYS+rvUD0t8OEfhwl5vmxDc7RqzNigoYqUmcn19xTazCL4HJQ73ER1SnJn8Hu3Ue5jC+FsJ1w7d1ZRolkHsgXgbQFUeayrp/Rx9Ft/LaUaJ4gS5yu2MKow6DLK0C20g= Message-ID: <353e2ed80510140522t6cb32a1ahda8a1a8a89d0085@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:22:04 +0100 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater-- Speculation and disinformation In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051014012830.87293.qmail@web50802.mail.yahoo.com> <20051014015325.8910.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:22:12 +0000 (UTC) On 10/14/05, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Again, I'd love to talk to the project manager for the JamMan or the > Loop Station and ask them what their use cases where when they were > finalizing the design. Is not the key point here - at least in the case of the Boss pedal - what they chose to call it? Their own sales material calls it a "Phrase Recorder" http://www.bossus.com/index.asp?pg=3D1&tmp=3D137 while the original RC20 was called the Loop Station. It seems to me that in changing the name there was an attempt to define its intended market more clearly. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 12:38:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E1E73BF61; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:38:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,214,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="867455890:sNHT16048212" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80510140522t6cb32a1ahda8a1a8a89d0085@mail.gmail.com> References: <20051014012830.87293.qmail@web50802.mail.yahoo.com> <20051014015325.8910.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com> <353e2ed80510140522t6cb32a1ahda8a1a8a89d0085@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5635E150-D83B-4ED0-BD21-91337CF4FABF@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: Repeater-- Speculation and disinformation Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 07:38:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: <6NnWyD.A.zvH.xa6TDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:38:09 +0000 (UTC) From watching TalkBass, and listening to (young) musicians I know, they love the Digitech and Boss like crazy. Much more than any of the serious loopers -- even the DL4. What they want to do, by and large, is jam over their changes, and these pedals do that just fine. If you can save your changes, so much the better. I think that these boxes aren't made for _us_; we represent probably, just a guess here, .01% of the market. On Oct 14, 2005, at 7:22 AM, David Morton wrote: > On 10/14/05, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > >> Again, I'd love to talk to the project manager for the JamMan or the >> Loop Station and ask them what their use cases where when they were >> finalizing the design. >> > > Is not the key point here - at least in the case of the Boss pedal - > what they chose to call it? Their own sales material calls it a > "Phrase Recorder" > > http://www.bossus.com/index.asp?pg=1&tmp=137 > > while the original RC20 was called the Loop Station. It seems to me > that in changing the name there was an attempt to define its intended > market more clearly. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 12:49:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AB983BF5D; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:49:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AVG2ZJq7Zhs+v4ODEd3BLj8Z2PnkdmvnWsknjY1fQRaRWxs6V/lrx4jq8assr6QAHuQir9JBEDgj/CuZISp3gb4li5RTwp0xyEHBhvCSKoScpttYQTKciLhzXHEutHDWV8F/3LxR5rXsz3NHUwSTl7Nlk0SyWi91DaG4x9hmajs= Message-ID: <353e2ed80510140549k23578de0jceb14aebf5cb08be@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:49:31 +0100 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater-- Speculation and disinformation In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80510140522t6cb32a1ahda8a1a8a89d0085@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051014012830.87293.qmail@web50802.mail.yahoo.com> <20051014015325.8910.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com> <353e2ed80510140522t6cb32a1ahda8a1a8a89d0085@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9F_uXD.A.KG.gl6TDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:49:36 +0000 (UTC) On 10/14/05, David Morton wrote: > Their own sales material calls it a > "Phrase Recorder" > > http://www.bossus.com/index.asp?pg=3D1&tmp=3D137 > > while the original RC20 was called the Loop Station. Ignore me, I'm wrong. On the RC20XL packaging and instructions they call it both "phrase recorder" and "loop station" so they didn't change the name with the XL revision. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 13:06:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C55673BF6B; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:06:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <434FAD2F.4070809@dadaprod.org> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:05:51 +0200 From: sonic steph User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: fr, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Digitech Jamman - Line input References: <20051012200938.NORO4169.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> <20051013202100.95279.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Ovh-Remote: 81.185.86.123 () X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: fait|type 1&3|0.0|H 0.506338 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:06:31 +0000 (UTC) thanks for these answers, I've got a final question abour this product! It's about the input.. I Guess, I am not the only one to loop a pod signal, that enable me to loop other acoustic signal that will not sound crap after been amplified.. The manual is once again not really clear on that.. the is 3,5" mono jack input for Cd player stuff, and a 6,5"mono jack input for instruments.. so what does happen if you send a line signal through the supposed instruments input (the 6,5" one)? cheers sonic steph, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 13:11:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05A043BF69; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:11:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b201c5d0ac$31de4610$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: References: <20051014104010.31465.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:44:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:11:00 +0000 (UTC) Share, share.....It's very interesting listen to any specific looping approach and sounds. Fabio Anile http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 13:50:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33C723BF6C; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:50:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=aNt5sBuZLseP8kj5fAwKtDYhuHJvTgCTMUp3RplJOnjUJB8JQVIYuURezyH46Q1OKPTMMCcJU3lwKUQyVUs7S4GLI0F6R4HHtmdQOEP1czEUCiON7CjDxg+PhecRZKFj0MYK/vR/N9hpi3dzc9uamRBBUqES0i7BZ+FijyTcShA= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 06:49:57 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater-- Speculation and disinformation In-Reply-To: <5635E150-D83B-4ED0-BD21-91337CF4FABF@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051014012830.87293.qmail@web50802.mail.yahoo.com> <20051014015325.8910.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com> <353e2ed80510140522t6cb32a1ahda8a1a8a89d0085@mail.gmail.com> <5635E150-D83B-4ED0-BD21-91337CF4FABF@charter.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:50:08 +0000 (UTC) Both of those pedals are overkill if you just want to jam over changes, which isn't to say that they're being used in the "wrong" way. Musicians will always find some way to get use out of just about anything--what I'm curious about is what the manufacturer's intended when they designed the things. And while numerically the active posters on LD may represent a small segment of the entire market for loopers, I don't think that our use patterns are that unrepresentative. TravisH On 10/14/05, Kelly Coyle wrote: > From watching TalkBass, and listening to (young) musicians I know, > they love the Digitech and Boss like crazy. Much more than any of the > serious loopers -- even the DL4. What they want to do, by and large, > is jam over their changes, and these pedals do that just fine. If you > can save your changes, so much the better. I think that these boxes > aren't made for _us_; we represent probably, just a guess here, .01% > of the market. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 13:52:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E97E33BF72; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:52:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RkPjDITlhEd/fjHGRT3pYVK8duo+XBmUyn3SV4UDOJNaBHABrYjUNHrqpy22dhDNTO8rCAdYsD0w72k7bUgoqb77+lwJWwVSzSKg3ZCQbltJ/owg/hud7lmoBqLxQxnjFOzfQ7yWnru3snIJqYW9D8kFY2TY/sV1ITd+gUgsSL0= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 06:52:27 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman - Line input In-Reply-To: <434FAD2F.4070809@dadaprod.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051012200938.NORO4169.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> <20051013202100.95279.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> <434FAD2F.4070809@dadaprod.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:52:37 +0000 (UTC) I'd guess that as long as your signal levels are appropriate. then you're fine. But why not just send the line signal into the line input? You can loop from either source. TravisH On 10/14/05, sonic steph wrote: > thanks for these answers, I've got a final question abour this product! > It's about the input.. I Guess, I am not the only one to loop a pod > signal, that enable me to loop other acoustic signal that will not sound > crap after been amplified.. > > The manual is once again not really clear on that.. the is 3,5" mono > jack input for Cd player stuff, and a 6,5"mono jack input for > instruments.. so what does happen if you send a line signal through the > supposed instruments input (the 6,5" one)? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 14:04:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E33C63BF7C; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:04:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=HUeSVcDHJwG/jirKtOL2+whhUFkH79mfM2C3r+Lsd4HnTbL4mf/kDglfZC/V65iUbVZc38FxW443e6dgotlIRgg1/4k36SG9hudVv6bbXr6fzXLQCnABDA6YRAjoVN5JwHRmb/JxajYAXtCWizuRkTwq1R2cn13uvwsbiFYnIdk= Message-ID: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 07:04:21 -0700 From: Art Simon To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:04:27 +0000 (UTC) For some reason, I've been thinking about this a lot. I never work outside of the studio, but I enjoy building computers. It wouldn't be that hard or expensive to build a rackmount computer to run Mobius, in fact it would probably be half the price of the Receptor. And there are new, small TFT touchscreen computer monitors coming on the market aimed at people who are building PC based car audio systems: http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=3D90146946&SearchEngine=3DFroogle= &SearchTerm=3D90146946&Type=3DPE&Category=3DElec&Gad=3D0&dcaid=3D17379 If you were to take such a computer on a gig, you might be able to do everything with just the touchscreen so you wouldn't need to pack a keyboard, mouse, monitor etc. It would be really cool if there was a rackmount case that came with a small touchscreen monitor, or at least a place to mount one, but I couldn't find one. Has anyone else built or thought about building something similar? The first issue of "Virtual Instruments" magazine had a good article on building a rackmount music computer, but it didn't discuss touchscreens. -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 14:05:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F3163BF83; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:05:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wwjEFFCo786/jlT+xxK9G2C2YbwHxMBY5MkZDuVC51W5bxXSOF2BiQEVcF+Z7g/+b0zu5nYJjIP02VBPUDPI0hVhDzzB+39t0w4/SPu01ZLSIe/+ZhtTxxILxK1MCfFMHiUjV8zMTxVdYrYiRkvQzT/R96vlx4ZDyUpIKA/RuBc= ; Message-ID: <20051014140541.66459.qmail@web50815.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 07:05:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Janosik Subject: Re: Repeater-- Speculation and disinformation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1505371202-1129298740=:66407" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:05:45 +0000 (UTC) --0-1505371202-1129298740=:66407 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit << Yes, the first version of the Boomerang only supported one loop, but that was seven or eight years ago. >> I thought the 2nd loop feature came along with the last major revision of the device. Which was more recent. Travis Hartnett wrote: Yes, the first version of the Boomerang only supported one loop, but that was seven or eight years ago. It also received its share of criticism regarding price/performance. Back then there was only the Boomerang and the EDP in production (I believe the JamMan had been discontinued and the Headrush was yet to come), and many people appreciated the straightforward interface and pedal form factor. It was so nifty that Line6 thought it'd be a good idea to pretty much copy the idea as their looper in the DL-4. After many years of dedicated hardware loopers, expectations are higher, and the new JamMan falls short for many people. Had they made it so that you could save the contents of a loop when switching to the next loop without bending over, stopping the loop and pressing a button, they'd have made the thing siginificantly more useful not for ambient soundscape type work, but for traditional song-based singer songwriters. As it is, it appears to me to be most useful for bringing in canned loops from home to the gig, or creating loops at home. Can one make music with it? Of course. Can one imagine the addition of one feature making it possible to do immensely more with it? Yes. Again, I'd love to talk to the project manager for the JamMan or the Loop Station and ask them what their use cases where when they were finalizing the design. Did they talk to musicians with significant looping experience, or what? TravisH On 10/13/05, Janosik wrote: > Seriously, I don't know why some of the "elitists" are bashing the new > Jamman. The old Boomerang only had one loop, if I remember correctly. Did > that make it a piece of crap? > > Maybe the Jamman isn't ideal for live looping if one's goal is to create > soundscapes, ambient stuff or similar, but it has a lot of value and > capabilities, IMHO, particularly in the home studio. > > J --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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<< Yes, the first version of the Boomerang only supported one loop, but
that was seven or eight years ago. >>
 
I thought the 2nd loop feature came along with the last major revision of the device. Which was more recent.

Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, the first version of the Boomerang only supported one loop, but
that was seven or eight years ago. It also received its share of
criticism regarding price/performance. Back then there was only the
Boomerang and the EDP in production (I believe the JamMan had been
discontinued and the Headrush was yet to come), and many people
appreciated the straightforward interface and pedal form factor. It
was so nifty that Line6 thought it'd be a good idea to pretty much
copy the idea as their looper in the DL-4.

After many years of dedicated hardware loopers, expectations are
higher, and the new JamMan falls short for many people. Had they made
it so that you could save the contents of a loop when switching to the
next loop without bending over, stopping the loop and pressing a
button, they'd have made the thing siginificantly more useful not for
ambient soundscape type work, but for traditional song-based singer
songwriters. As it is, it appears to me to be most useful for
bringing in canned loops from home to the gig, or creating loops at
home. Can one make music with it? Of course. Can one imagine the
addition of one feature making it possible to do immensely more with
it? Yes.

Again, I'd love to talk to the project manager for the JamMan or the
Loop Station and ask them what their use cases where when they were
finalizing the design. Did they talk to musicians with significant
looping experience, or what?

TravisH


On 10/13/05, Janosik wrote:
> Seriously, I don't know why some of the "elitists" are bashing the new
> Jamman. The old Boomerang only had one loop, if I remember correctly. Did
> that make it a piece of crap?
>
> Maybe the Jamman isn't ideal for live looping if one's goal is to create
> soundscapes, ambient stuff or similar, but it has a lot of value and
> capabilities, IMHO, particularly in the home studio.
>
> J

Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. --0-1505371202-1129298740=:66407-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 14:15:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BC723BF84; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:15:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Ah1bTIjCNGgUiwsSBXik6m49r2KC696BU6ZCPNfoKjBVEw0uDuD3NTr1C2jxKJTtLAruX3gz4xVsyOchOQ4NKtAg49a17SUoRKj1Ry1kgs6KycKrPwHIel8wJHIGTauMLQtQnDhMZzOztQ5wgBAVwTJbuRycmAei6nGER8ZiP9I= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 07:14:59 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater-- Speculation and disinformation In-Reply-To: <20051014140541.66459.qmail@web50815.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051014140541.66459.qmail@web50815.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:15:15 +0000 (UTC) Yes, the updated version of the software added the second loop functionality, along with pitch shift options other than half-speed and some options on the feedback level for the loops and a few other things I can't recall. They did a remarkable job of packing in a bunch of new options without wrecking the user interface. But initially it did only one loop, although this was at a time when the production looper that did more than one loop was the EDP. TravisH On 10/14/05, Janosik wrote: > << Yes, the first version of the Boomerang only supported one loop, but > that was seven or eight years ago. >> > > I thought the 2nd loop feature came along with the last major revision of > the device. Which was more recent. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 14:37:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB1D43BF88; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:37:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,215,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="1687153053:sNHT28179282" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 09:37:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: <4BaWh.A.wFD.6K8TDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:37:46 +0000 (UTC) I looked into it, and I couldn't make the math work out -- everything ended up being about the same as the Receptor. I don't know much about building systems, but there's the A/D conversion, the ins and outs, the MIDI, and so forth, that the Receptor has built in, along with the host program (not such a big deal). If something like what you describe was available, or if I knew _exactly_ what to buy and what to do when I bought it, I'd add it to the rack in a heartbeat. Receptor is supposedly super-stable, too. XP seems kinda kludgy for a dedicated music system, whereas MUSE has adapted Linux. Although their code is GPLed, so it would be there to use. On Oct 14, 2005, at 9:04 AM, Art Simon wrote: > For some reason, I've been thinking about this a lot. I never work > outside of the studio, but I enjoy building computers. It wouldn't be > that hard or expensive to build a rackmount computer to run Mobius, in > fact it would probably be half the price of the Receptor. And there > are new, small TFT touchscreen computer monitors coming on the market > aimed at people who are building PC based car audio systems: > > http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp? > sku=90146946&SearchEngine=Froogle&SearchTerm=90146946&Type=PE&Category > =Elec&Gad=0&dcaid=17379 > > If you were to take such a computer on a gig, you might be able to do > everything with just the touchscreen so you wouldn't need to pack a > keyboard, mouse, monitor etc. > > It would be really cool if there was a rackmount case that came with a > small touchscreen monitor, or at least a place to mount one, but I > couldn't find one. > > Has anyone else built or thought about building something similar? The > first issue of "Virtual Instruments" magazine had a good article on > building a rackmount music computer, but it didn't discuss > touchscreens. > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://artsimon.iuma.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 14:53:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D355B3BF7E; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:53:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vLsveLnfvfAaXi7G+3lH09pmUZbR84mUYRvJ7lcfeM3vWfyyjGPvd4ugLVBRiBO93wpEBMORtyepmIDlTJTRBGhW9mRVa1mfaHLzW0CQJxM0eX1MGGtfKO2AgnC30P6FXugV/b7kLn8Onqvhl8C4kLKngqkI7j5BdwtD99ky51Y= ; Message-ID: <20051014145232.29336.qmail@web50804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 07:52:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Janosik Subject: OT: Digitech Jamman for sale - a hair from new To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-186007372-1129301552=:28542" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <22R6BC.A.geD.MZ8TDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:53:00 +0000 (UTC) --0-186007372-1129301552=:28542 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well, I'm too disillusioned to use my Digitech Jamman anymore after the prior posts. so, if anyone wants to buy one, make me a reasonable offer - otherwise it's going on eBay. ABSOLUTE mint condition. Includes box, all docs, power supply, Smartcard. Only used it a couple of times. Shipping TBD. J Travis Hartnett wrote: Yes, the updated version of the software added the second loop functionality, along with pitch shift options other than half-speed and some options on the feedback level for the loops and a few other things I can't recall. They did a remarkable job of packing in a bunch of new options without wrecking the user interface. But initially it did only one loop, although this was at a time when the production looper that did more than one loop was the EDP. TravisH On 10/14/05, Janosik wrote: > << Yes, the first version of the Boomerang only supported one loop, but > that was seven or eight years ago. >> > > I thought the 2nd loop feature came along with the last major revision of > the device. Which was more recent. > --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. 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Well, I'm too disillusioned to use my Digitech Jamman anymore after the prior posts. so, if anyone wants to buy one, make me a reasonable offer - otherwise it's going on eBay.
 
ABSOLUTE mint condition. Includes box, all docs, power supply, Smartcard. Only used it a couple of times. Shipping TBD.
 
J

Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes, the updated version of the software added the second loop
functionality, along with pitch shift options other than half-speed
and some options on the feedback level for the loops and a few other
things I can't recall. They did a remarkable job of packing in a
bunch of new options without wrecking the user interface. But
initially it did only one loop, although this was at a time when the
production looper that did more than one loop was the EDP.

TravisH


On 10/14/05, Janosik wrote:
> << Yes, the first version of the Boomerang only supported one loop, but
> that was seven or eight years ago. >>
>
> I thought the 2nd loop feature came along with the last major revision of
> the device. Which was more recent.
>

Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. --0-186007372-1129301552=:28542-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 15:18:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E42C3BF90; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:18:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oWlMofJ2AjBGLn0ro+FDkzK+w/JphrEVFNmpDjd1Sswg5CypkUybsCorumRfsE7O88bxCQIt0ZWaf3Gc9KlXHKQn3bCgcGtIQNCWJ1rH16HQ5wX2KoFS/EG3sxSUXGcDXz/Qcvxkt+mFjjSONWB/tXH1UdZB6ZwvbGztdQ5Y9sw= Message-ID: <588ce11d0510140818t283939abj18ff5981727abed1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 08:18:19 -0700 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius In-Reply-To: <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> Resent-Message-ID: <6yMzTB.A.GCE._w8TDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:18:24 +0000 (UTC) You're right, it's more expensive than I thought. I have a lot of computer parts "lieing around" (I teach computer programming) so I was taking a few things for granted. Here's what I was considering getting from newegg.com: Norco Technologies Inc. RPC-800 Black Steel 4U Rackmount Case - Retail Model #: RPC-800 $69.99 COOLER MASTER SAF-S12-E1 120 x 120 x 25mm SuperFlo Cooling Fan - Retail Model #: SAF-S12-E1 $9.99 =09 =09$19.98 VANTEC VDK-120 Fan Vibration Dampener Kit - Retail Model #: VDK-120$3.99 =09 =09 VANTEC SF6025L 60mm 2 Ball Case Cooling Fan - Retail Model #: SF6025L$6.55 =09 ASUS P4P800-E DELUXE Socket 478 Intel 865PE ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail Model #: P4P800-E DELUXE$115.50 ASUS A7000-X/T/32 Radeon 7000 32MB DDR AGP 2X/4X Video Card - Retail Model #: A7000-X/T/32$27.00 SYBA PCI USB 2.0 4+1 shared port controller card Model SD-VIA-5U - Retail Model #: SD-VIA-5U$6.10 =09 =09 Update =09SeaSonic SUPER SILENCER-300W ATX12V 300W Power Supply - Retail Model #: SUPER SILENCER-300W$46.00 =09 =09 Subtotal: =09$306.46 I already have the rest of the parts I'd need, but if you were starting from scratch, you'd have to figure about $200 for a processor (that's what I paid for my 3.2Ghz Pentium 4 "Prescott"), and another $200 for 2Gb of memory. There are a lot of good deals on hard drives, but we could probably find two 100Gb drives for another $200. Add a good soundcard with midi like the Audiophile 24/96 for $100 Windows XP (OEM) can be had for $45. I just bought a copy last weekend to update my Mom's computer, in fact So that's over $1000, quite a bit more than half of the receptor's $1400. Add a touchscreen and we are about even. I'm still thinking about it though, On 10/14/05, Kelly Coyle wrote: > I looked into it, and I couldn't make the math work out -- everything > ended up being about the same as the Receptor. I don't know much > about building systems, but there's the A/D conversion, the ins and > outs, the MIDI, and so forth, that the Receptor has built in, along > with the host program (not such a big deal). If something like what > you describe was available, or if I knew _exactly_ what to buy and > what to do when I bought it, I'd add it to the rack in a heartbeat. > > Receptor is supposedly super-stable, too. XP seems kinda kludgy for a > dedicated music system, whereas MUSE has adapted Linux. Although > their code is GPLed, so it would be there to use. > > > > On Oct 14, 2005, at 9:04 AM, Art Simon wrote: > > > For some reason, I've been thinking about this a lot. I never work > > outside of the studio, but I enjoy building computers. It wouldn't be > > that hard or expensive to build a rackmount computer to run Mobius, in > > fact it would probably be half the price of the Receptor. And there > > are new, small TFT touchscreen computer monitors coming on the market > > aimed at people who are building PC based car audio systems: > > > > http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp? > > sku=3D90146946&SearchEngine=3DFroogle&SearchTerm=3D90146946&Type=3DPE&C= ategory > > =3DElec&Gad=3D0&dcaid=3D17379 > > > > If you were to take such a computer on a gig, you might be able to do > > everything with just the touchscreen so you wouldn't need to pack a > > keyboard, mouse, monitor etc. > > > > It would be really cool if there was a rackmount case that came with a > > small touchscreen monitor, or at least a place to mount one, but I > > couldn't find one. > > > > Has anyone else built or thought about building something similar? The > > first issue of "Virtual Instruments" magazine had a good article on > > building a rackmount music computer, but it didn't discuss > > touchscreens. > > -- > > Art Simon > > simart@null.net > > http://art.simon.tripod.com > > http://artsimon.iuma.com > > > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 15:34:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E35C3BF9B; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:34:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,215,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="1532000109:sNHT22241188" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0510140818t283939abj18ff5981727abed1@mail.gmail.com> References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <588ce11d0510140818t283939abj18ff5981727abed1@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:34:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: <--_2gC.A.McE.4_8TDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:34:17 +0000 (UTC) You know, even though it didn't quite work out, that was awful nice of you to do. I appreciate the time you took. On Oct 14, 2005, at 10:18 AM, Art Simon wrote: > You're right, it's more expensive than I thought. I have a lot of > computer parts "lieing around" (I teach computer programming) so I was > taking a few things for granted. > > Here's what I was considering getting from newegg.com: > Norco Technologies Inc. RPC-800 Black Steel 4U Rackmount Case - Retail > Model #: RPC-800 $69.99 > COOLER MASTER SAF-S12-E1 120 x 120 x 25mm SuperFlo Cooling Fan - > Retail > Model #: SAF-S12-E1 $9.99 $19.98 > VANTEC VDK-120 Fan Vibration Dampener Kit - Retail > Model #: VDK-120$3.99 > VANTEC SF6025L 60mm 2 Ball Case Cooling Fan - Retail > Model #: SF6025L$6.55 > ASUS P4P800-E DELUXE Socket 478 Intel 865PE ATX Intel Motherboard - > Retail > Model #: P4P800-E DELUXE$115.50 > ASUS A7000-X/T/32 Radeon 7000 32MB DDR AGP 2X/4X Video Card - Retail > Model #: A7000-X/T/32$27.00 > SYBA PCI USB 2.0 4+1 shared port controller card Model SD-VIA-5U - > Retail > Model #: SD-VIA-5U$6.10 > Update SeaSonic SUPER SILENCER-300W ATX12V 300W Power Supply - > Retail > Model #: SUPER SILENCER-300W$46.00 > Subtotal: $306.46 > > I already have the rest of the parts I'd need, but if you were > starting from scratch, you'd have to figure about $200 for a processor > (that's what I paid for my 3.2Ghz Pentium 4 "Prescott"), > and another $200 for 2Gb of memory. There are a lot of good deals on > hard drives, but we could probably find two 100Gb drives for another > $200. Add a good soundcard with midi like the Audiophile 24/96 for > $100 > > Windows XP (OEM) can be had for $45. I just bought a copy last > weekend to update my Mom's computer, in fact > > So that's over $1000, quite a bit more than half of the receptor's > $1400. Add a touchscreen and we are about even. I'm still thinking > about it though, > > On 10/14/05, Kelly Coyle wrote: > >> I looked into it, and I couldn't make the math work out -- everything >> ended up being about the same as the Receptor. I don't know much >> about building systems, but there's the A/D conversion, the ins and >> outs, the MIDI, and so forth, that the Receptor has built in, along >> with the host program (not such a big deal). If something like what >> you describe was available, or if I knew _exactly_ what to buy and >> what to do when I bought it, I'd add it to the rack in a heartbeat. >> >> Receptor is supposedly super-stable, too. XP seems kinda kludgy for a >> dedicated music system, whereas MUSE has adapted Linux. Although >> their code is GPLed, so it would be there to use. >> >> >> >> On Oct 14, 2005, at 9:04 AM, Art Simon wrote: >> >> >>> For some reason, I've been thinking about this a lot. I never work >>> outside of the studio, but I enjoy building computers. It >>> wouldn't be >>> that hard or expensive to build a rackmount computer to run >>> Mobius, in >>> fact it would probably be half the price of the Receptor. And there >>> are new, small TFT touchscreen computer monitors coming on the >>> market >>> aimed at people who are building PC based car audio systems: >>> >>> http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp? >>> sku=90146946&SearchEngine=Froogle&SearchTerm=90146946&Type=PE&Catego >>> ry >>> =Elec&Gad=0&dcaid=17379 >>> >>> If you were to take such a computer on a gig, you might be able >>> to do >>> everything with just the touchscreen so you wouldn't need to pack a >>> keyboard, mouse, monitor etc. >>> >>> It would be really cool if there was a rackmount case that came >>> with a >>> small touchscreen monitor, or at least a place to mount one, but I >>> couldn't find one. >>> >>> Has anyone else built or thought about building something >>> similar? The >>> first issue of "Virtual Instruments" magazine had a good article on >>> building a rackmount music computer, but it didn't discuss >>> touchscreens. >>> -- >>> Art Simon >>> simart@null.net >>> http://art.simon.tripod.com >>> http://artsimon.iuma.com >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://artsimon.iuma.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 15:59:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F5C33BFA2; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:59:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <049801c5d0b4$11a8e820$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <434EDF48.6020209@Hevanet.com> <20051013233254.41774.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> <434F15E6.9050407@sun.com> <61345999-977E-459E-9255-E812E302411A@charter.net> <049801c5d0b4$11a8e820$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4F2416F1-DA41-48BA-9A3E-789597644555@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mobius on the Receptor (was Repeater-- Speculation and disinformation) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:59:47 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:59:52 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 14, 2005, at 13:40, Kris Hartung wrote: > Better yet, PSP84. I like that versi0n much more than PSP42..much more > powerful, but also processing intensive. PSP84 is laced through > most all my > live recordings in the last 8 months. You do mean the current VST > plugins, > right? > > Kris Yes, I mean the current VST plug-ins. I guess you're talking sound effects concerning the PSP84 and I totally agree with you on that. The '84 is a great sound mangler! I have been using it for years, since the very first version, and like you I just like it to be somewhere in the mix to color some instrument. I also like to play live through the PSP84. But for looping the '42 is better suited IMO, since it has this freeze loop function as well as a half/double speed (octave) button. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 16:12:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C7223BFA7; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:12:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <83B9AC1F-9F47-4956-A818-EF551633147C@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:12:52 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:12:56 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 14, 2005, at 16:04, Art Simon wrote: > Has anyone else built or thought about building something similar? Yes. I read a lot at the audio computer performance test thread at the Ableton Live forum. What I learned from all those posted test reports was that the Pentium M processors in modern notebooks are much more efficient with the type of calculations happening in real- time audio software. The best configuration I can imagine would be such a laptop with a PCMCIA audio interface and a USB midi interface. Here's the link to the computer test thread: (past complete URL into browser) http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24715&highlight=live+five +performance+test Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 16:18:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 088983BF9D; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:18:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:15:03 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius Thread-Index: AcXQ2a2ODtJZo8LJQs63c58QIhmfnAAAC9Mg From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2005 16:15:03.0737 (UTC) FILETIME=[6F38D290:01C5D0DA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:18:25 +0000 (UTC) I run a Vaio laptop with Layla 24 PCMCIA audio and a Steinberg Midex USB MIDI interface. It works flawlessly and reliably. I don't know if the processor is a Pentium M. As for PCMCIA, Echo is moving to firewire... which the Vaio also supports. I'm curious, why would PCMCIA be better than firewire? Hal Dean -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se]=20 Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 12:13 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius On Oct 14, 2005, at 16:04, Art Simon wrote: > Has anyone else built or thought about building something similar? Yes. I read a lot at the audio computer performance test thread at =20 the Ableton Live forum. What I learned from all those posted test =20 reports was that the Pentium M processors in modern notebooks are =20 much more efficient with the type of calculations happening in real-=20 time audio software. The best configuration I can imagine would be =20 such a laptop with a PCMCIA audio interface and a USB midi interface. Here's the link to the computer test thread: (past complete URL into =20 browser) http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3D24715&highlight=3Dlive+fiv= e=20 +performance+test Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 16:28:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EF643BF9D; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:28:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FQJYYZE1GFWwQQ9TBqCOokyboPCLyS0vwm/4M+4PLD5KILbEN6c/ohrP0WT5S6Wu41hUBP1FEe4latow79eHM69HW4HFK5JFlFntmQuuOfhrefhZdj0+Dn6nkAix/vR7ph7fT/2o+o//pOHWzupkdGDqhgGhNr88+CcFGbe4a4Y= ; Message-ID: <20051014162804.69797.qmail@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 09:28:04 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hansen Subject: OT: adrian belew and effects in the old days To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051014140545.CCD3D3BF89@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-510345780-1129307284=:67660" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <0-o5XC.A.KCG.Wy9TDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:28:06 +0000 (UTC) --0-510345780-1129307284=:67660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit on the A. Belew thread: i remember listening to lone rhino & twang bar king back in the 80's when i was 1st learning to play and just amazed at the sounds he got and the sound of his guitar. i dreamed of being able to create those sounds, and its funny that the 1st 5-6 yrs i played i had just a guitar and amp... and then the other day i broke out the lone rhino album and listened to it and thought how funny that all those affected guitar sounds i can now get (can't play like him), or approximate... and how cheap things are relatively, compared to when i bought my 1st distortion box and chorus and delay, it was a lot of money for me back in 1990. the funny thing is listening to Belew's songs, i always thought they had a general/quirky pop appeal, and figured they'd have a market along side the talking heads stuff of the day, but i never heard it in mid america, but i do remember a friend saying she used to play "big electric cat" on her (east coast) college radio show back in the early 80's.... oh well..... s--- --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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on the A. Belew thread:

i remember listening to lone rhino & twang bar king back in the 80's when i was 1st learning to play and just amazed at the sounds he got and the sound of his guitar. i dreamed of being able to create those sounds, and its funny that the 1st 5-6 yrs i played i had just a guitar and amp...

and then the other day i broke out the lone rhino album and listened to it and thought how funny that all those affected guitar sounds i can now get (can't play like him), or approximate...

and how cheap things are relatively, compared to when i bought my 1st distortion box and chorus and delay, it was a lot of money for me back in 1990.

the funny thing is listening to Belew's songs, i always thought they had a general/quirky pop appeal, and figured they'd have a market along side the talking heads stuff of the day, but i never heard it in mid america, but i do remember a friend saying she used to play "big electric cat" on her (east coast) college radio show back in the early 80's....

oh well.....

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Try it free. --0-510345780-1129307284=:67660-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 16:28:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6AFB3BFB8; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:28:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:28:19 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:28:22 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 14, 2005, at 18:15, Dean, Hal wrote: > I'm curious, why would PCMCIA be better than firewire? It's a little bit faster. It also does free up the full firewire port for external hard drives. But if you're not into heavy multi track production that's not really an issue. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 16:33:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C83B33BFAD; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:33:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 11:32:52 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius In-reply-to: <588ce11d0510140818t283939abj18ff5981727abed1@mail.gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <434FDDB4.7050402@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <588ce11d0510140818t283939abj18ff5981727abed1@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:33:00 +0000 (UTC) Art Simon wrote: > You're right, it's more expensive than I thought. Interesting thread, thanks for the research! > I already have the rest of the parts I'd need, but if you were > starting from scratch, you'd have to figure about $200 for a processor > (that's what I paid for my 3.2Ghz Pentium 4 "Prescott"), > and another $200 for 2Gb of memory. There are a lot of good deals on > hard drives, but we could probably find two 100Gb drives for another > $200. Add a good soundcard with midi like the Audiophile 24/96 for > $100 It wouldn't save much but you could probably live with less than 100Gb of disk. Assuming you would only be running plugins, the only thing you would need disk for are loop libraries. I'd wager 40Mb would be fine, but you probably can't even buy those any more :-) If you don't tend to create long loops you could live with 1Gb of memory, but this is not a good place to scrimp. If this was intended for live use rather than studio recording, we could live with an average sound card. The cheapest SoundBlaster running ASIO4ALL may be enough. Depending on the plugins you want to run, you might be able to go with a slower processor. I have 2Ghz, but then I don't usually run more than a few plugins at once. So, maybe that knocks off $200-300. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 16:39:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78F243BF78; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:39:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=C+rBt6uF2qskECZvHY6M00CIl90R/kTQ2fpSkS2RxuF7QbTc2oVstbDEAixkGz3gfq1eHnwMmgQhSe0T+lQZK9vClbtcX53n/0eIhoVo31iChVf0uIO9OsOzpPjY1lOh1plVXm07wfgHr8WuBhhXU+tqclcNya0pdIwz21R16zE= Message-ID: <588ce11d0510140939j382a3a1ckbc0fe98fddcec41b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 09:39:51 -0700 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius In-Reply-To: <83B9AC1F-9F47-4956-A818-EF551633147C@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <83B9AC1F-9F47-4956-A818-EF551633147C@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: <5ANeNB.A.CiG.Z99TDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:39:53 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per, Thanks for the link. I've done a little reading about the Pentium M as well, on some of the computer hardware sites. You can get a Pentium M motherboard that would fit a rackmount case. In theory this would be more "road worthy" than a laptop. My configuration used a Penitum 4 motherboard, because I already have one, but you're right the Pentium M would be a better choice. It would be cooler and quieter as well. Buying an off-the-shelf notebook makes a lot of sense. But as the "virtual instruments" article pointed out, a rackmount computer has some advantages. I don't know why, but the idea of a rackmount with a touchscreen just seems "cool." On 10/14/05, Per Boysen wrote: > On Oct 14, 2005, at 16:04, Art Simon wrote: > > > Has anyone else built or thought about building something similar? > > > Yes. I read a lot at the audio computer performance test thread at > the Ableton Live forum. What I learned from all those posted test > reports was that the Pentium M processors in modern notebooks are > much more efficient with the type of calculations happening in real- > time audio software. The best configuration I can imagine would be > such a laptop with a PCMCIA audio interface and a USB midi interface. > > Here's the link to the computer test thread: (past complete URL into > browser) > > http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3D24715&highlight=3Dlive+fiv= e > +performance+test > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 16:53:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B9493BFAA; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:53:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0510140939j382a3a1ckbc0fe98fddcec41b@mail.gmail.com> References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <83B9AC1F-9F47-4956-A818-EF551633147C@boysen.se> <588ce11d0510140939j382a3a1ckbc0fe98fddcec41b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:53:30 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:53:34 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 14, 2005, at 18:39, Art Simon wrote: > Thanks for the link. I've done a little reading about the Pentium M as > well, on some of the computer hardware sites. You can get a Pentium M > motherboard that would fit a rackmount case. Oh, that's good news! Then you can use cheaper and way bigger drives, compared to a laptop system. I found some Shuttle barebone systems suitable for Pentium M but nothing really rack mountable. > In theory this would be > more "road worthy" than a laptop. Definitely! If touring with gear it's important to keep components separated so malfunctioning stuff ("oops... where did my beer can go...?") can be replaced without sending away the whole system (laptop) for repairing. > Buying an off-the-shelf notebook makes a lot of sense. Well, it's convenient! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 16:55:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E32FB3BFBE; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:55:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <051801c5d0e0$02ad9830$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Y2K5 Performance Recordings Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:54:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0515_01C5D0AD.B748FA60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 350, in=157034, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:55:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0515_01C5D0AD.B748FA60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Latest list of Y2K5 recordings....Ted Killian now added. You'll get a = kick out of his intro. :) Kris *************************************************************************= *********************** Ted Killian Rick's Intro and Ted Warming Up - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987388.html Part One - Guitar Dyslexia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985656.html Part Two - Guitar Dysphasia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985657.html Greg Powers http://box.net/public/khartung/files/976586.html Ghost 7 http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975372.html Krispen Hartung http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html ------=_NextPart_000_0515_01C5D0AD.B748FA60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Latest list of Y2K5 recordings....Ted = Killian now=20 added. You'll get a kick out of his intro. :)
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0515_01C5D0AD.B748FA60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 17:01:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D561E3BFB3; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:01:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:01:12 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius In-reply-to: <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> Resent-Message-ID: <5YOuN.A.uFH.dR-TDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:01:17 +0000 (UTC) Kelly Coyle wrote: > Receptor is supposedly super-stable, too. XP seems kinda kludgy for a > dedicated music system, whereas MUSE has adapted Linux. Although their > code is GPLed, so it would be there to use. I can believe Receptor is very stable, but I think that is mostly due to the restrictions on what it will run. If you take the time to remove all the crap in XP that you don't really need, and only use it to run music applications, it will be just as stable. Receptor wins on boot time and they appear to have some sort of crash detection with automatic reboot that is very nice, but if a plugin crashes on Windows, it will crash on the Receptor too. While Linux arguably has better support for near-realtime applications, and the theoretical latency is lower, I wouldn't say it is better as a dedicated music system. With an XP based system you also have the option to run hundreds of other applications like Bidule, Live, and Sonar. Jeff From YvonneNavarro@trandainghia-highschool.com Fri Oct 14 17:34:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from 200-140-080-018.bsace7026.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br (unknown [200.140.80.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 231E23BFB2; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:34:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from Fvr@localhost by 8vQ.int (8.11.6/8.11.6); Sat, 15 Oct 2005 00:33:27 +0300 Message-ID: From: "Winnie Lara" Reply-To: "Winnie Lara" To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: Photoshop CS 8.0 $59.95 Windows Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 01:24:27 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.2730.2 X-Sender: YvonneNavarro@trandainghia-highschool.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--i8RJ9QcZUFM3PrluWpa" BNu ----i8RJ9QcZUFM3PrluWpa Content-Type: text/html; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1
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    ----i8RJ9QcZUFM3PrluWpa-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 17:50:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E73043BFC2; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:50:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XrUP0Ls+bRN2I2iqFJTdraXrTT+fE9GVom1636ZPA7CCCf+EThNambZ1tk8YynGzD/G+ECxfheW1KWdghQxBKNDzR6x/GgZ5/sBy4RbGTyHCFDxI0ZLd4RgSKyr5n7hNd5kXPDhBZgjXQCm3eHm4/MAThxQR71HmoykWxV69CNQ= Message-ID: <588ce11d0510141050y38a92ae8ifd7c5e7ae2ea83a4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:50:43 -0700 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <83B9AC1F-9F47-4956-A818-EF551633147C@boysen.se> <588ce11d0510140939j382a3a1ckbc0fe98fddcec41b@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:50:45 +0000 (UTC) Newegg.com lists four Pentium M motherboards, 3 are micro-atx and one is standard atx, and they range in price from $200 - $300. It would be nice if they came down in price a bit. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Manufactory=3D&PropertyCodeVa= lue=3D0&PropertyCodeValue=3D706%3A13561&PropertyCodeValue=3D0&PropertyCodeV= alue=3D0&PropertyCodeValue=3D0&PropertyCodeValue=3D0&PropertyCodeValue=3D0&= PropertyCodeValue=3D0&PropertyCodeValue=3D0&PropertyCodeValue=3D0&PropertyC= odeValue=3D0&PropertyCodeValue=3D0&PropertyCodeValue=3D0&PropertyCodeValue= =3D0&PropertyCodeValue=3D0&PropertyCodeValue=3D0&PropertyCodeValue=3D0&Prop= ertyCodeValue=3D0&PropertyCodeValue=3D0&PropertyCodeValue=3D0&PropertyCodeV= alue=3D0&PropertyCodeValue=3D0&PropertyCodeValue=3D0&PropertyCodeValue=3D0&= PropertyCodeValue=3D0&PropertyCodeValue=3D0&PropertyCodeValue=3D0&descripti= on=3D&MinPrice=3D&MaxPrice=3D&SubCategory=3D280&Submit=3DProperty On 10/14/05, Per Boysen wrote: > On Oct 14, 2005, at 18:39, Art Simon wrote: > > > Thanks for the link. I've done a little reading about the Pentium M as > > well, on some of the computer hardware sites. You can get a Pentium M > > motherboard that would fit a rackmount case. > > Oh, that's good news! Then you can use cheaper and way bigger drives, > compared to a laptop system. I found some Shuttle barebone systems > suitable for Pentium M but nothing really rack mountable. > > > In theory this would be > > more "road worthy" than a laptop. > > Definitely! If touring with gear it's important to keep components > separated so malfunctioning stuff ("oops... where did my beer can > go...?") can be replaced without sending away the whole system > (laptop) for repairing. > > > Buying an off-the-shelf notebook makes a lot of sense. > > Well, it's convenient! > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 18:58:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20A3D3BFB1; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:58:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [209.234.210.2] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ekstasis1@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <051801c5d0e0$02ad9830$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:58:27 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Oct 2005 18:58:28.0464 (UTC) FILETIME=[434B6F00:01C5D0F1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:58:30 +0000 (UTC) Hey Kris: Just wanted say thanks for all your work this pastwekend with taping and webcasting (and, jeez, somehow you squeezed a set of really cool music in there too!) If I understand right, you only taped the improvised duet I did with Bernard Wagner. I can't actually speak for him, tho I am sure he would not mind, but I would like to include whateveryou got of me at Y2K5 in the LD recording "archive" to share with all (hell, I am curious to hear it, too!!....and I am sure Bernard is as well!) Thanks again.... Max >From: "Kris Hartung" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Y2K5 Performance Recordings >Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:54:57 -0600 > >Latest list of Y2K5 recordings....Ted Killian now added. You'll get a kick >out of his intro. :) > >Kris > >************************************************************************************************ > >Ted Killian > >Rick's Intro and Ted Warming Up - >http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987388.html >Part One - Guitar Dyslexia - >http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985656.html >Part Two - Guitar Dysphasia - >http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985657.html > >Greg Powers >http://box.net/public/khartung/files/976586.html > >Ghost 7 >http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975372.html > >Krispen Hartung >http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 19:46:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40E913BFC4; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:46:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zytWcHoQznjLvcxl72EBaMA4VEpPW61zO7ZxLxJCj+r0FwWkWRCe6An4yr/YkY7NIhfUFhWUx5h8JnBuAnT7vPm2y9jYySicwjNTBH5gxIEtbNYh+JbgPVq59z2dF35porUkhQhtYVsYRHqvce5g6/OdTNpWXph2ScLXhJKz/14= ; Message-ID: <20051014194630.88150.qmail@web50803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:46:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Janosik Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <051801c5d0e0$02ad9830$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-350422414-1129319189=:87794" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:46:31 +0000 (UTC) --0-350422414-1129319189=:87794 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I enjoyed your performance, BTW. J Kris Hartung wrote: v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML)}o\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML)}w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML)}.shape { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML)}st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Latest list of Y2K5 recordings....Ted Killian now added. You'll get a kick out of his intro. :) Kris ************************************************************************************************ Ted Killian Rick's Intro and Ted Warming Up - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987388.html Part One - Guitar Dyslexia - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985656.html Part Two - Guitar Dysphasia - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985657.html Greg Powers http://box.net/public/khartung/files/976586.html Ghost 7 http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975372.html Krispen Hartung http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. 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    I enjoyed your performance, BTW.
     
    J

    Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
    Latest list of Y2K5 recordings....Ted Killian now added. You'll get a kick out of his intro. :)
     
    Kris
     
    ************************************************************************************************
     
    Ted Killian
     
    Rick's Intro and Ted Warming Up - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987388.html
     
    Greg Powers
     
    Ghost 7
     
    Krispen Hartung
     

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Try it free. --0-350422414-1129319189=:87794-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 21:19:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED8B93BFC6; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:19:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 14 Oct 2005 21:19:10 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:19:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20051014211910.AC4D53384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1mnBKB.A.MeF.RDCUDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:19:13 +0000 (UTC) Kris- Thanks for all the work to do this! I checked out Ted KIllian's set this m= orning (Nice playing Ted!). I clicked on the "intro" link and=20 then walked away from my desk to do some other stuff while it played over m= y stereo in iTunes. 5 minutes later I was thinking to=20 myself, "jeeez, Ted Killiian sure is boring and repetitive"....when i walke= d back to my desk, I realized iTunes had been looping that=20 very short intro segment over and over and over....:)=20=20 Joe Rut ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Y2K5 Performance Recordings Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:54:57 -0600 >=20 > Latest list of Y2K5 recordings....Ted Killian now added. You'll get=20 > a kick out of his intro. :) >=20 > Kris >=20 > *************************************************************************= *********************** >=20 > Ted Killian >=20 > Rick's Intro and Ted Warming Up -=20 > http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987388.html > Part One - Guitar Dyslexia - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985656.= html > Part Two - Guitar Dysphasia - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985657= .html >=20 > Greg Powers > http://box.net/public/khartung/files/976586.html >=20 > Ghost 7 > http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975372.html >=20 > Krispen Hartung > http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 22:51:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45F693BFCE; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:51:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OuS6RpacZTrrEqhjyFMgXzzAmpJOG4uqRFkQEGeMaSfKnom3U4Z3yMuX2UQXpK/d/L6h1Frk3N4v4yEISzeh32QNg/bbKKmIeQvmjUuvm4nNPWgVncvb/47d5TwTHM9Dhwaq12AllDRxqO6ulEKvSNhjxHOrA2Mma3bhJS6jMVU= ; Message-ID: <20051014225104.24092.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 15:51:03 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Repeater-- Speculation and disinformation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:51:05 +0000 (UTC) --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > > Again, I'd love to talk to the project manager for > the JamMan or the > Loop Station and ask them what their use cases where > when they were > finalizing the design. Did they talk to musicians > with significant > looping experience, or what? I KNOW! Me too! I believe that if you're a company coming out with a looper and not scanning the LD archives or interviewing contributors you are not doing your homework. Mark __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 22:58:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85D5D3BFD0; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:58:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <05de01c5d112$c47d2700$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (three additions) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:58:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_05DB_01C5D0E0.7915F120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 351, in=157432, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <0PC_W.A.rND.UgDUDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:58:28 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_05DB_01C5D0E0.7915F120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The list is growing. I've added Bernhard, Max Valentino, and another = track (part 3) from Ted. Kris IFANONLYIFIFANONLYIFIFANONLYIFIFANONLYIFIFANONLYIFIFANONLYIF Bernhard Wagner Part One - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987792.html Part Two (Verbal Intro) - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/991792.html Part Two - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/991793.html Part Three - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987794.html Part Four (with Max Valentino) - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987795.html Max Valentino Part One (with Bernhard Wagner) - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/992129.html Ted Killian Rick's Intro and Ted Warming Up - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987388.html Part One - Guitar Dyslexia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985656.html Part Two - Guitar Dysphasia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985657.html Part Three - Guitar Dyspasia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/988212.html Greg Powers http://box.net/public/khartung/files/976586.html Ghost 7 http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975372.html Krispen Hartung http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html ------=_NextPart_000_05DB_01C5D0E0.7915F120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    The list is = growing. I've=20 added Bernhard, Max Valentino, and another track (part 3) from = Ted.
     
    Kris
     
    IFANONLYIFIFANONLYIFIFANONLYIFIFANONLYIFIFANONLYIFIFANONLYIF=
     
    Bernhard=20 Wagner
     
    Part Four (with Max Valentino) - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987795.html
     
    Max Valentino
     
    Part One (with Bernhard Wagner) = - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/992129.html
     
    Ted=20 Killian
     
    Rick's Intro and Ted Warming Up - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987388.html
    Part Three - Guitar Dyspasia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/988212.html=
     
    Greg = Powers
     
    Ghost 7
     
    Krispen = Hartung
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    ------=_NextPart_000_05DB_01C5D0E0.7915F120-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 14 23:56:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EFEE3BFB0; Fri, 14 Oct 2005 23:56:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 19:56:55 -0400 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.clifford X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-29.5 required=8.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME=0.5, RCVD_IP_216_110_224=-30 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 23:56:59 +0000 (UTC) Have any of you tried litepc? It used to be 98lite but now they have a version for xp as well. It's a program out of Australia that allows you to strip out a lot of the xp programs that are unnecesary and slow things down. It's what I used on my laptop compaq m300 with 600mhz p3 processor, and 384 mb ram. I'm running mobius as a standalone and that laptop as my dedicated looper. So far the only time I've run into glitches with it was when I had 7 tracks going at the same time with several overdubs on each track. It was running all that fine but when I tried to save it,,, the whole thing bogged down. I think with a faster processor and more ram I could do just about anything I can imagine. a few people have argued against a software looper... but when I had my edp apart, my tech friend said "lets see, here's your processor, here's the ram, here's the software... looks suspiciously like a dedicated computer to me" Why not set up a laptop or rackmount computer as the dedicated looping machine? It would cost what, 12 or 13 thousand to duplicate what mobius will do with edp units! and that doesn't even consider the nightmare of trying to wire up and control 16 edp's When you start comparing what you can do with the software vrs the hardware versions, I think the software will win out... Paul Haslem Ontario, Canada > I can believe Receptor is very stable, but I think that is mostly > due to the restrictions on what it will run. If you take the time > to remove all the crap in XP that you don't really need, and only > use it to run music applications, it will be just as stable. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 00:04:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 246E63BFC9; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 00:04:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BHxm+XeDclXheRjXUdZnhOzJXQmr8QW95Ndnx668O7iP9q4VI0SfcHFd2XLMeQuy7UKZmj+9evObOi1lChWZr/A+qmUsErWFlTlz7EY1Nli8UT5A6CeuJ2ftM+IYAqF6y+komWlwIQz0/1wKJq2FgRmbR1xEajySPr0YGCm0SG4= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:04:10 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius In-Reply-To: <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 00:04:12 +0000 (UTC) Oh, they're both software solutions--one just has a dedicated hardware platform to run it on. Dedicated hardware tends to be more stable, and computers depreciate at a furious rate. What are the odds that your laptop will be running in ten years? Plus, most people don't have a pressing need for seven tracks with multiple overdubs. But hey, if you do, a PC based solution is obviously more cost-effective. TravisH On 10/14/05, phaslem@wightman.ca wrote: > Have any of you tried litepc? It used to be 98lite but now they have a ve= rsion > for xp as well. It's a program out of Australia that allows you to strip = out a > lot of the xp programs that are unnecesary and slow things down. It's wha= t I > used on my laptop compaq m300 with 600mhz p3 processor, and 384 mb ram. I= 'm > running mobius as a standalone and that laptop as my dedicated looper. So= far > the only time I've run into glitches with it was when I had 7 tracks goin= g at > the same time with several overdubs on each track. It was running all > that fine > but when I tried to save it,,, the whole thing bogged down. I think with = a > faster processor and more ram I could do just about anything I can imagin= e. > > a few people have argued against a software looper... but when I had my e= dp > apart, my tech friend said "lets see, here's your processor, here's the r= am, > here's the software... looks suspiciously like a dedicated computer to me= " > > Why not set up a laptop or rackmount computer as the dedicated looping > machine? > It would cost what, 12 or 13 thousand to duplicate what mobius will do > with edp > units! and that doesn't even consider the nightmare of trying to wire up = and > control 16 edp's > > When you start comparing what you can do with the software vrs the hardwa= re > versions, I think the software will win out... > > Paul Haslem > Ontario, Canada From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 01:11:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53D313BF83; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 01:11:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <20d.bb18e40.3081b126@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:11:02 EDT Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_20d.bb18e40.3081b126_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 01:11:06 +0000 (UTC) --part1_20d.bb18e40.3081b126_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Joe, That was about the funniest (and finest) review my music has gotten in years= . I really mean that. I am flling over laughing. I've got tears in my eyes! Heheheheh!=20 Thank you. I needed that. I didn't feel I palyed my best -- but who ever=20 does. Your email helped me put it all in perspective . . . and gave me a good laug= h too. Thanks! Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn Ted In a message dated 10/14/05 2:19:33 PM, joerut@lycos.com writes: > Thanks for all the work to do this! I checked out Ted KIllian's set this=20 > morning (Nice playing Ted!). I clicked on the "intro" link and then=20 > walked away from my desk to do some other stuff while it played=20 > over my stereo in iTunes. 5 minutes later I was thinking to myself,=20 > "jeeez, Ted Killiian sure is boring and repetitive"....when i walked=20 > back to my desk, I realized iTunes had been looping that very short=20 > intro segment over and over=A0 and over....:)=A0 >=20 PS. Buy "Flux Aeterna" from CDBaby during the months of September and October and all of my portion of the profits will be automatically donated to the Red Cross by CDBaby specifically for Gulf Coast hurricane relief. "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_20d.bb18e40.3081b126_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Joe,

    That was about the funniest (and finest) review my music has gotten in years= .
    I really mean that. I am flling over laughing. I've got tears in my eyes! Heheheheh!

    Thank you. I needed that. I didn't feel I palyed my best -- but who ever doe= s.
    Your email helped me put it all in perspective . . . and gave me a good laug= h
    too. Thanks!

    Best regards    ,

    tEd =AE kiLLiAn

    Ted


    In a message dated 10/14/05 2:19:33 PM, joerut@lycos.com writes:

    Thanks for all the wo= rk to do this! I checked out Ted KIllian's set this
    morning (Nice playing Ted!). I clicked on the "intro" link and then walked away from my desk to do some other stuff while it played
    over my stereo in iTunes. 5 minutes later I was thinking to myself, "jeeez, Ted Killiian sure is boring and repetitive"....when i walked <= BR> back to my desk, I realized iTunes had been looping that very short intro segment over and over=A0 and over....:)=A0


    PS. Buy "Flux Aeterna" from CDBaby during the months of September
    and October and all of my portion of the profits will be automatically
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     --part1_20d.bb18e40.3081b126_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 03:01:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DBEF3BF5C; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 03:01:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:02:36 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4350714C.6040404@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> Resent-Message-ID: <2ffcOB.A.-YB.IEHUDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 03:01:28 +0000 (UTC) Travis Hartnett wrote: > Oh, they're both software solutions--one just has a dedicated hardware > platform to run it on. Dedicated hardware tends to be more stable, > and computers depreciate at a furious rate. What are the odds that > your laptop will be running in ten years? I can appreciate the advantages of dedicated hardware, but this is a specious argument. I agree that dedicated hardware tends to be more stable, but the reason computers deprecate is because we keep trying to do more with them every year. I have a ten year old laptop that runs Windows 95 as well as the day it was born. No one uses these any more simply because they don't have to. I gave mine to my kids and they abuse the crap out of it. The only problem I've ever had with old computers is a broken CD ROM drive after having a hunk of Laffy Taffy and a few Polly Pocket shoes crammed into it. Something which is no more difficult to replace than the rotary encoders on a Vortex :-) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 03:01:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C58D73BF5F; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 03:01:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "frenchloops" To: Subject: RE : Y2K5 Performance Recordings (three additions) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 05:01:44 +0200 Message-ID: <001801c5d134$c61ed0a0$0fb19d53@nom69pxtzsc526> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C5D145.89A7A0A0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <05de01c5d112$c47d2700$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <7retm.A.kdB.jEHUDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 03:01:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C5D145.89A7A0A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello folks thank you for sharing with us the great music you made last week thanks to Bill for organising, to Kris for handling the recording and sharing of files, and to everybody who played; Ted Killian I love what you do, that Sibelius Finlandia thing was GREAT, and Bernhard Wagner too. =20 all the best =20 Francois =20 -----Message d'origine----- De : Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Envoy=E9 : samedi 15 octobre 2005 00:58 =C0 : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Objet : Y2K5 Performance Recordings (three additions) The list is growing. I've added Bernhard, Max Valentino, and another track (part 3) from Ted. =20 Kris =20 IFANONLYIFIFANONLYIFIFANONLYIFIFANONLYIFIFANONLYIFIFANONLYIF =20 Bernhard Wagner =20 Part One - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987792.html Part Two (Verbal Intro) - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/991792.html Part Two - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/991793.html Part Three - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987794.html Part Four (with Max Valentino) - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987795.html =20 Max Valentino =20 Part One (with Bernhard Wagner) - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/992129.html =20 Ted Killian =20 Rick's Intro and Ted Warming Up - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987388.html Part One - Guitar Dyslexia - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985656.html Part Two - Guitar Dysphasia - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985657.html Part Three - Guitar Dyspasia - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/988212.html =20 Greg Powers http://box.net/public/khartung/files/976586.html =20 Ghost 7 http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975372.html =20 Krispen Hartung http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C5D145.89A7A0A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
    hello=20 folks
    thank=20 you for sharing with us the great music you made last = week
    thanks=20 to Bill for organising, to Kris for handling the recording and sharing = of=20 files,
    and to=20 everybody who played;
    Ted=20 Killian I love what you do, that Sibelius Finlandia thing was=20 GREAT,
    and=20 Bernhard Wagner too.
     
    all=20 the best
     
    Francois
     
    -----Message d'origine-----
    De : Kris Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
    Envoy=E9 : samedi 15 = octobre 2005=20 00:58
    =C0 :=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Objet : Y2K5 = Performance=20 Recordings (three additions)

    The list = is growing.=20 I've added Bernhard, Max Valentino, and another track (part 3) from=20 Ted.
     
    Kris
     
    IFANONLYIFIFANONLYIFIFANONLYIFIFANONLYIFIFANONLYIFIFANONLYIF=
     
    Bernhard=20 Wagner
     
    Part Four (with Max Valentino) - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987795.html
     
    Max Valentino
     
    Part One (with Bernhard Wagner) = - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/992129.html
     
    Ted=20 Killian
     
    Rick's Intro and Ted Warming Up - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987388.html
    Part Three - Guitar Dyspasia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/988212.html=
     
    Greg = Powers
     
    Ghost 7
     
    Krispen = Hartung
    http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html
     
    ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C5D145.89A7A0A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 06:07:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17A8B3BF57; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 06:07:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DGGtSoYjRkG6VXJfKGdykfM7vOnafriOWMj4uOTbUuplUZdaEejrkDOflHhiuWftNGa3m0PGVnYr5WsrW0R/pEoUT084PqqZs3dS4GI9qjXgFkkuJk+SEL3YRnfs/uJrKnnJLziVKO5F0mVpUHbc4pqYhvmE7fk7AsL8eUmdC94= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 23:07:19 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius In-Reply-To: <4350714C.6040404@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <4350714C.6040404@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_ue4JC.A.4TG.YyJUDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 06:07:21 +0000 (UTC) Nah--hard drives aren't designed to last more than a few years, the motherboard and power supply batteries likewise. Cart a laptop around to regular gigs for a few years and it's going to be hurting, quickly. Personal computers are disposable items. A PCM-42 holds its value far better than any laptop running a PCM-42 emulat= or. "...runs Windows 95 as well as the day it was born." Left-handed praise if I ever heard it... TravisH On 10/14/05, Jeff Larson wrote: > Travis Hartnett wrote: > > Oh, they're both software solutions--one just has a dedicated hardware > > platform to run it on. Dedicated hardware tends to be more stable, > > and computers depreciate at a furious rate. What are the odds that > > your laptop will be running in ten years? > > I can appreciate the advantages of dedicated hardware, but this is a > specious argument. I agree that dedicated hardware tends to be more > stable, but the reason computers deprecate is because we keep trying > to do more with them every year. I have a ten year old laptop that > runs Windows 95 as well as the day it was born. No one uses these any > more simply because they don't have to. I gave mine to my kids and > they abuse the crap out of it. The only problem I've ever had with > old computers is a broken CD ROM drive after having a hunk of Laffy > Taffy and a few Polly Pocket shoes crammed into it. Something which > is no more difficult to replace than the rotary encoders on a Vortex :-) > > Jeff > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 08:35:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EE6E3BF65; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 08:35:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VltKmbTEHjuPtLwpY4RIPn/H4esshLpMLYzzTYbXtD5zzGNS/7+HhWmDH0xEpF3Ln3THpgrITtIcZdrrhiFsFz9UxUSn5XPZ548toureGt6G5XRKUhMxJvxGAOM2e/3S/GM6Se6mIFiREulmSgQ0ZryA2Rd6uTygjjTU1mSzA6M= Message-ID: <353e2ed80510150135q23eaef8fid20af25d5827b397@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:35:43 +0100 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater-- Speculation and disinformation In-Reply-To: <20051014225104.24092.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051014225104.24092.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9XHV7C.A.g9B.j9LUDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 08:35:48 +0000 (UTC) On 10/14/05, mark sottilaro wrote: >I believe that if you're a company > coming out with a looper and not scanning the LD > archives or interviewing contributors you are not > doing your homework. It's clear that happens to some degree at least, since Boss made some significant changes to the user interface between the RC20 and the RC20XL. But how Digitech managed to include in a brand new product some of the same problems people have complained about on the Boss for years, is a mystery to me. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 08:58:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 509BA3BF47; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 08:58:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20051014015325.8910.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051014015325.8910.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <97a9f82ae5d5891cac6542b302d3d360@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Repeater-- Speculation and disinformation Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:53:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 08:58:38 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 13, 2005, at 8:53 PM, Janosik wrote: > Seriously, I don't know why some of the "elitists" are bashing the new > Jamman. The old Boomerang only had one loop, if I remember correctly. > Did that make it a piece of crap? it's not a piece of crap because it only has one loop. it's a piece of crap because it is yet another piece of music gear which was apparently designed by people who do not make music and a complete lack of input from people who do actually make music. that's fine ... i'm kicking it with my PCM-80 until it decides it hates me and blows the encoders or something. --- Suit & Tie Guy www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 09:53:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB1063BF4C; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:53:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [80.170.98.207] X-Originating-Email: [totalrtt@hotmail.com] X-Sender: totalrtt@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "total rtt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:53:47 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Oct 2005 09:53:48.0208 (UTC) FILETIME=[56C1DB00:01C5D16E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:53:49 +0000 (UTC) Thank's Daniel >From: Travis Hartnett >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman >Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 06:44:59 -0700 > >1. If you mean the small audio input jack (for connecting a CD >player(, it's a stereo 1/8" headphone style jack. >2. Although the first, rackmount version of the JamMan had L/R ins and >outs, the loop itself was always mono. The new pedal version is also >mono. Anything recorded from the stereo auxiliary input jack is >summed to mono. > >TravisH > >On 10/13/05, total rtt wrote: > > salut, > > > > To send a signal in the jam man What kind of jack is the litlle one on >the > > backside? mono, stéréo? > > Do you know what happen to a stéréo signal L-R ? Everything is send to >the > > center of the image, > > is there any kind of L-R reality? > > > _________________________________________________________________ Recherchez sur votre PC comme sur le Web avec Windows Desktop Search ! http://desktop.msn.fr/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 14:01:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 751C43BF0A; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 14:01:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.1.0 From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: Y2K5 articles Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:01:51 +0200 Message-ID: <005401c5d191$0100f430$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 14:01:56 +0000 (UTC) Metro Santa Cruz article from October 5th, 2005 by Bill Forman: http://tinyurl.com/bbsmm Good Times Weekly article from October 6th, 2005 by Annie Rothmann: http://tinyurl.com/a2xf3 Santa Cruz Sentinel article from October 6th, 2005 by Wallace Baine: http://tinyurl.com/a6ztv From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 14:58:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E58883BF15; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 14:58:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:59:28 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43511950.4000200@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <4350714C.6040404@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 14:58:17 +0000 (UTC) Gee, I sense that just maybe you're a fan of dedicated hardware? :-) Travis Hartnett wrote: > Nah--hard drives aren't designed to last more than a few years, the > motherboard and power supply batteries likewise. Hard drive, debatable. Motherboard, nonsense. Batteries, yes. Power cord, no. > A PCM-42 holds its value far better than any laptop running a PCM-42 > emulator. Until it breaks. That emulator will run fine for the next hundred years on increasingly powerful hardware. > "...runs Windows 95 as well as the day it was born." > > Left-handed praise if I ever heard it... My point here was that most people dispose of their computers not because they stop working, but because they can't run the latest software. Salesmen cart a laptop to "gigs" almost every day for years. They get rid of them because they can't run PowerPoint 2010. If you're willing to freeze your expectations, there's no reason except hardware failure why you can't use a computer for more than 10 years. Sure they break, they depreciate in monetary value. But they do not depreciate in function. But I completely agree that laptops are not as roadworthy over the long run as dedicated hardware without disk drives. If I were a gigging musician I would be worried about them. And I agree that computers are disposable. In some respects that's an advantage because you can always move your stuff to a newer more powerful model. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 15:10:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB90B3BF08; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 15:10:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: scott@dreamstate.to via o2.hostbaby.com X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.25 (Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.131116 secs) Message-ID: <1122.65.94.62.182.1129389006.squirrel@www.dreamstate.to> In-Reply-To: <43511950.4000200@sun.com> References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <4350714C.6040404@sun.com> <43511950.4000200@sun.com> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 11:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius From: scott@dreamstate.to To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 15:10:06 +0000 (UTC) > Until it breaks. That emulator will run fine for the next hundred > years on increasingly powerful hardware. snip > And I agree that > computers are disposable. In some respects that's an advantage > because you can always move your stuff to a newer more powerful model. > > Jeff A potential problem though is that, unless the software creators keep updating the the programs, they may not run under future "standard" operating systems. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 15:26:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDD093BF0E; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 15:26:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nfg5A/R9/pE/HdpNB5UhUTjK4YulAmbBSdtcQK1RwC/cGl9F8jA/pCCHKNrOtkFUvKz+gKjxtTe3H658yHeReJwZX6q6ckadGGkogthiBoDCKS0Rtctq84GD/bwavefAXWCdbILDSXHTsZannmTyz4gqWIhUQyIDl2svvhnzbnc= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 08:26:33 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius In-Reply-To: <43511950.4000200@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <4350714C.6040404@sun.com> <43511950.4000200@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 15:26:34 +0000 (UTC) On 10/15/05, Jeff Larson wrote: > Travis Hartnett wrote: > > Nah--hard drives aren't designed to last more than a few years, the > > motherboard and power supply batteries likewise. > > Hard drive, debatable. Motherboard, nonsense. Batteries, yes. > Power cord, no. I've had several machines over the last few years that finally got retired because the system battery, on the motherboard, died (this also happens with some dedicated effects units). They're good for three to five years, and some systems won't boot once they've gone down. If you can find a replacement, you can usually swap it out (unless it's soldered to the PC board), but it does happen. The power cord will of course keep on working, but I've also got a pile of laptop batteries that no longer hold charges. Finding a new battery for a G3 Powerbook from seven years ago is a pain in the ass. Plus, the motherboard battery is dead on that unit... > > > A PCM-42 holds its value far better than any laptop running a PCM-42 > > emulator. > > Until it breaks. That emulator will run fine for the next hundred > years on increasingly powerful hardware. In theory, possible. In actuality, no way. Any current VST plug-in you've got running today will not run on a system manufactured ten years from now. If the developer updates the plug-in for a decade, sure, but I'm skeptical that's going to be a widespread practice. You can't run Word 1.0 on any system for sale (new) today. > > > "...runs Windows 95 as well as the day it was born." > > > > Left-handed praise if I ever heard it... > > If you're willing to freeze your expectations, there's no reason except > hardware failure why you can't use a computer for more than 10 years. > Sure they break, they depreciate in monetary value. But they do not > depreciate in function. A willingness to freeze expectations is not what leads most people towards computer-based solutions--it's the perceived ability to do practically everything on one box with lots of software updates rather then being tied to a fixed feature set available at time of purchase.=20 Yes, if you're willing to dedicate a computer to running only a certain set of audio apps and willing to forgo any system updates, you can keep one running for quite a while. But like I said, denying oneself new features and updates isn't the driving credo of most computer users. I've got a dedicated machine for ProTools and audio work, and I've screwed myself a couple of times by adding in Mac OS updates without waiting for Digidesign to certify the current version of ProTools with the latest system update. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 15:36:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 365513BF28; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 15:36:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 10:38:20 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius In-reply-to: <1122.65.94.62.182.1129389006.squirrel@www.dreamstate.to> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4351226C.3050702@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <4350714C.6040404@sun.com> <43511950.4000200@sun.com> <1122.65.94.62.182.1129389006.squirrel@www.dreamstate.to> Resent-Message-ID: <0dJfpB.A.eKF.VISUDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 15:36:54 +0000 (UTC) scott@dreamstate.to wrote: > A potential problem though is that, unless the software creators > keep updating the the programs, they may not run under future > "standard" operating systems. This is true. I think though that the situation won't be as bad as it has been through the evolution from DOS/Win3.1/Win95/NT/XP. The operating systems we grew up on suffered from various design problems that were difficult to fix and maintain backward compatibility. Much of this was due to trying to cram an OS into 16MB of memory. Today there are better abstraction layers making it easier to write environment emulators for what will one day be "old" software. Some radical advancement in technology or public taste could of course change this. I wouldn't worry about 64 bit OS's though. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 15:37:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B3343BF36; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 15:37:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <065501c5d19e$657b3b20$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <4350714C.6040404@sun.com> <43511950.4000200@sun.com> Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:37:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 351, in=146368, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 15:37:51 +0000 (UTC) And a good point it is, Jeff...both my work and personal laptops are over 3 years old and still kicking butt, no functionality problems...and I don't foresee any reason to get a new one for another year or so, maybe more. Both have XP on them, and both have what were the fastest processors on the market when I bought them. The key is to refresh every once in a while. I find people all of the time with PCs that are 8+ years old....crazy. No wonder the have problems and can't run some software...they are behind about 5 operating systems. No shit! That could be a problem, and then they try to load a new OS on an old computer, which is a huge can of worms and generates hardware/software performance and compatibility issues. People wait too long before they refresh is the point. Why would you two not consider a laptop roadworthy? Roadworthy in what respect? My laptop is my only computer for work. I use it at home, drag it around the house with wi-fi, take it on the road for business trips, etc, etc. I don't stick it in a bag and check it in on my flight (well, I did for Y2K5 wit no problems), but I don't know anyone who does this on a regular basis. It is more roadworthy than some gear I have, such as the EDP controller with those fragile buttons. What are we expecting of a laptop to be roadworthy? Treat it as any other piece of high end floor gear, and we'll be fine. Maybe consumer laptops are relatively "disposable) but not high end commercial models, which most of you don't buy, btw. My work laptop ran for about $4000 +. Commercial boxes are much, much more reliable, sturdy, and higher performance than most consumer boxes. This is why fortune 100 companies buy them for their employees...not some cheap "on sale" consumer box, where the manufacture only makes $15 on them after the retail sale. These days, I can say for a fact, most of my peers at Hewlett-Packard use laptops as their primary computers, and they use them for years with no major problems. These commerical laptops are build to last and perform very efficiently. Kris > My point here was that most people dispose of their computers not > because they stop working, but because they can't run the latest > software. Salesmen cart a laptop to "gigs" almost every day for > years. They get rid of them because they can't run PowerPoint 2010. > If you're willing to freeze your expectations, there's no reason except > hardware failure why you can't use a computer for more than 10 years. > Sure they break, they depreciate in monetary value. But they do not > depreciate in function. > > But I completely agree that laptops are not as roadworthy over the > long run as dedicated hardware without disk drives. If I were a > gigging musician I would be worried about them. And I agree that > computers are disposable. In some respects that's an advantage > because you can always move your stuff to a newer more powerful model. > > Jeff > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 15:43:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 018523BF3D; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 15:43:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 10:45:08 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43512404.3000608@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <4350714C.6040404@sun.com> <43511950.4000200@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 15:43:40 +0000 (UTC) Travis Hartnett wrote: > Any current VST plug-in > you've got running today will not run on a system manufactured ten > years from now. See my previous email. Let's make a bet. If we're both alive in ten years and the VSTs I have right now will not run on whatever Dell happens to be selling that day, I will buy you a vintage Repeater :-) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 16:10:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A868A3BF27; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:10:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 17:10:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: sound mangling devices? Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <43513807.7151.E9B4AC@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21b) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:10:41 +0000 (UTC) Hi - I've got my looping side sorted out with a jamman and a zoom g2, but I'm looking for sugegstions as to what units will give the maximum amount of sound mangling power at a reasonable price? It's important that there should be plenty of knobs for live performance. I've got an airFX and that's great, but would like a bit more control so I can repeat effects with some confidence! All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 16:24:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF5B53BF26; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:24:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sYe4Lu4wx4L+g0tSc+c2euyhpWCtb5S5S1ljzDJt7w9+NIBypx54SAyKXhDqVmuT+MICffu3bCzJ4flpGtve60cOIPU/+aUXQoukvM43uDoRKLZUQ+IwJ1egrpxEW2KoirIWFSzbo/bbCSZMCBP33HP+DECOcoW2vfF5qSZpQL0= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:24:09 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius In-Reply-To: <065501c5d19e$657b3b20$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <4350714C.6040404@sun.com> <43511950.4000200@sun.com> <065501c5d19e$657b3b20$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:24:10 +0000 (UTC) On 10/15/05, Kris Hartung wrote: >The key is to refresh every once in a while. I > find people all of the time with PCs that are 8+ years old....crazy. No > wonder the have problems and can't run some software...they are behind ab= out > 5 operating systems. No shit! That could be a problem, and then they try = to > load a new OS on an old computer, which is a huge can of worms and genera= tes > hardware/software performance and compatibility issues. People wait too > long before they refresh is the point. No, the key is to never refresh unless absolutely necessary! Updating the system software means that you'll have to update the audio software, which means forking out more money and eventually running into a terminal incompatibility. One of the downsides of computer-based music making is the amount of tinkering that needs to be done to keep everything running. > > Why would you two not consider a laptop roadworthy? Roadworthy in what > respect? My laptop is my only computer for work. I use it at home, drag = it > around the house with wi-fi, take it on the road for business trips, etc, > etc. I don't stick it in a bag and check it in on my flight (well, I did > for Y2K5 wit no problems), but I don't know anyone who does this on a > regular basis. It is more roadworthy than some gear I have, such as the = EDP > controller with those fragile buttons. What are we expecting of a laptop = to > be roadworthy? Treat it as any other piece of high end floor gear, and we= 'll > be fine. Yeah, but I control all my high-end floor gear with my feet, while wearing shoes, while it's sitting on grotty cafe and club floors, and it all still works. I don't see a lot of laptops on the floor at shows being stepped on. To me, roadworthy stuff has thick metal cases, and sturdy jacks, and the option for mounting it inside an armored carrying unit (i.e. a rack). Think about it--which would you rather have knocked off a table onto a concrete floor--a laptop running some VST emulator, or a rack unit in a rack? Hands up for everyone whose had to foot the bill for a laptop display that took a tumble at a gig? Ouch. > > Maybe consumer laptops are relatively "disposable) but not high end > commercial models, which most of you don't buy, btw. My work laptop ran f= or > about $4000 +. Commercial boxes are much, much more reliable, sturdy, and > higher performance than most consumer boxes. This is why fortune 100 > companies buy them for their employees...not some cheap "on sale" consume= r > box, where the manufacture only makes $15 on them after the retail sale. > These days, I can say for a fact, most of my peers at Hewlett-Packard use > laptops as their primary computers, and they use them for years with no > major problems. These commerical laptops are build to last and perform v= ery > efficiently. But, as you said, musicians aren't buying those. One of the major appeals of computer-based solutions is that you can either use the computer you already have, or buy another one cheaply. $4K+ boxes aren't on the shopping list for most musicians. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 16:26:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C42103BF46; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:26:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GNiSEBojsf4W6LYF83H5htqwURFUUr8kT+ZYN3+w+ejdfFpv0rT5hjx+cmlSk4Yz+ev4fynVAdAqJwHOAYCYEQGMRHIF97QK1N0wQ+GxjJ9WXKRBfs37cqf1IwSgsni4TrS69G5ZZ/if+gj96uaI/dzkFfZaKRHdf9UyI6Mz6x0= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:26:19 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius In-Reply-To: <43512404.3000608@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <4350714C.6040404@sun.com> <43511950.4000200@sun.com> <43512404.3000608@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:26:20 +0000 (UTC) Sure, if you mean the current version of the VST you're running right now. TravisH On 10/15/05, Jeff Larson wrote: > Travis Hartnett wrote: > > Any current VST plug-in > > you've got running today will not run on a system manufactured ten > > years from now. > > See my previous email. Let's make a bet. If we're both alive in ten > years and the VSTs I have right now will not run on whatever Dell > happens to be selling that day, I will buy you a vintage Repeater :-) > > Jeff > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 16:31:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB5EC3BF43; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:31:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <43511950.4000200@sun.com> References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <4350714C.6040404@sun.com> <43511950.4000200@sun.com> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:31:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ken Higgins Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:19e398854e4e12389f1bc10699aa0b2c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:31:51 +0000 (UTC) My $0.02 One advantage the computer-based approach offers is immediate replacement of dead or lost hardware. Let's say the airline loses your rack. Now you're in trouble. Where do you find a PCM-42, a Vortex, and a Bitrman in 4 hours or less in Eugene, Oregon? You don't. But if you're computer-host-based, any CompUSA or Costco (or... or...) can replace your . Better yet, a buddy or fellow LD'er in the region could loan you their laptop for the gig. If you are carrying a Firewire/USB audio interface in your carry-on, along with your dongles (if any) and a backup DVD or CD with all your audio apps you are pretty well set to recover from major loss. Of course you should have your setup dialed, and saved as a an appropriate disk image, along with any installers that you might need. And you should practice 'recovering' to 'other hardware' at least once. "Luck favors the prepared",... ask any recording engineer or support tech. Now, (OTOH) you should see my ridiculously over-sized rack. You see, I don't gig. FWIW, I use an iMac G5 with Logic, Live, lots of effects, and an EDP/Vortex/SE-70/etc... rack, so I have the worst of both worlds. I find it handy to turn off the whole computer side of things and focus on technique (I'm not that good of a musician, and having less to twiddle helps me concentrate on becoming a better one). Or I can turn on the computer and have fun tweaking. BTW: There are some cool LED-lighted USB keyboards out there, which are narrow enough for 19" rack trays (i.e. no numerical keypad). One other thought: I'd put more trust in the reliability of a hand-carried laptop than a rack-mounted anything. Rack-mounted computers are not designed for travel. Laptops are. The only caveat to this would be if you designed a roadworthy rack unit with serious shock absorption and vibration dampening. Most people tend to design rack units to be like tanks (extra strong and rigid), which is not what really protects the motherboard, CPU, etc. It's the isolation from the rigors of the road that saves the computer. Maybe start with a laptop, and 'science-project' it into a durable/roadworthy rack-mount chassis? Well, that turned into $0.04, at least. And the bargain bundle of acronyms... Ken -=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >Gee, I sense that just maybe you're a fan of dedicated hardware? :-) > >Travis Hartnett wrote: >> Nah--hard drives aren't designed to last more than a few years, the >> motherboard and power supply batteries likewise. > >Hard drive, debatable. Motherboard, nonsense. Batteries, yes. >Power cord, no. > >> A PCM-42 holds its value far better than any laptop running a PCM-42 >> emulator. > >Until it breaks. That emulator will run fine for the next hundred >years on increasingly powerful hardware. > >> "...runs Windows 95 as well as the day it was born." >> >> Left-handed praise if I ever heard it... > >My point here was that most people dispose of their computers not >because they stop working, but because they can't run the latest >software. Salesmen cart a laptop to "gigs" almost every day for >years. They get rid of them because they can't run PowerPoint 2010. >If you're willing to freeze your expectations, there's no reason except >hardware failure why you can't use a computer for more than 10 years. >Sure they break, they depreciate in monetary value. But they do not >depreciate in function. > >But I completely agree that laptops are not as roadworthy over the >long run as dedicated hardware without disk drives. If I were a >gigging musician I would be worried about them. And I agree that >computers are disposable. In some respects that's an advantage >because you can always move your stuff to a newer more powerful model. > >Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 16:40:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1AC913BF2F; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:40:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <43512404.3000608@sun.com> References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <4350714C.6040404@sun.com> <43511950.4000200@sun.com> <43512404.3000608@sun.com> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:40:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ken Higgins Subject: VSTs in Ten Years. Was:Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:19e398854e4e12389f1bc10699aa0b2c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:40:58 +0000 (UTC) >Travis Hartnett wrote: >>Any current VST plug-in you've got running >>today will not run on a system manufactured ten >>years from now. And Jeff wrote back: >See my previous email. Let's make a bet. If we're both alive in ten >years and the VSTs I have right now will not run on whatever Dell >happens to be selling that day, I will buy you a vintage Repeater :-) > >Jeff =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Ten years?! 2015. One, Two, Three, Four, Five, Six, Seven, Eight, Nine, Ten, YEARS??!! Yowza, I'll like in on that bet. There is no way that "the VSTs you have right now" will work on an average 'new machine' in ten years. Speaking as an old-fart programmer since the Apple ][ days, and broadcast engineer today. Now, how old will I be?! Yikes. Jeff said, "I will buy you a vintage Repeater :-) ". It would have to be a vintage one, as the Repeater MK II isn't shipping 'till at least Spring 2016. All in good fun, Ken From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 16:45:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AED503BF53; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:45:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=i0aGnzLcuFosuE6fPcZnzRq3mbvSW9D3JoWhJwVKWeFMVHZQjVS5qvMEU+TVKiuc+53vJ9bsRF7HfF2D2fCNvTtrupPS65mEZUc85Bqdg3iv3hFohg6XR5qG2GsSEXJIWoDTlKwKlyS/awf3DUbFdVoy/h2Kdl7CYpnYPnjOLBM= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:45:08 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <4350714C.6040404@sun.com> <43511950.4000200@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3V664.A.4KH.VITUDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:45:09 +0000 (UTC) On 10/15/05, Ken Higgins wrote: > > My $0.02 > > One advantage the computer-based approach offers is immediate > replacement of dead or lost hardware. > > Let's say the airline loses your rack. Now you're in trouble. Where > do you find a PCM-42, a Vortex, and a Bitrman in 4 hours or less in > Eugene, Oregon? You don't. > > But if you're computer-host-based, any CompUSA or Costco (or... > or...) can replace your . Better > yet, a buddy or fellow LD'er in the region could loan you their > laptop for the gig. As long as you're using a readily available, consumer-level box, and not some particular chipset/hard-drive configuration, which seems to be a not-uncommon occurrence for pc-based musicians. Hell, Kris advocates buying commercial grade hardware only... > > If you are carrying a Firewire/USB audio interface in your carry-on, > along with your dongles (if any) and a backup DVD or CD with all your > audio apps you are pretty well set to recover from major loss. > > Of course you should have your setup dialed, and saved as a an > appropriate disk image, along with any installers that you might > need. And you should practice 'recovering' to 'other hardware' at > least once. "Luck favors the prepared",... ask any recording > engineer or support tech. > Hands up everyone who, right at this moment, has the necessary backup materials to restore their audio computer from the ground-up in under four hours, with all the tweaks and preferences intact? Put your hand down if you just think you could do this and never actually done it. TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 16:47:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C38C03BF58; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:47:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=d7TO1SjyGoMXN+AiaoEjwOhPZv0OuVIxx6y4qZP/ajkOJNX70WaW3uQl/gb9pJAluPskNC7b+SliRiI9e24MttTvPLYNI3+eWdpQvoik4m86ymwBUjhAl3PC6DU4CAB3o2TewjCpqiHhmTIwtQ4K2UFpTztFtGX3s/8kn3dLvmg= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:47:04 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: VSTs in Ten Years. Was:Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <4350714C.6040404@sun.com> <43511950.4000200@sun.com> <43512404.3000608@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:47:05 +0000 (UTC) I wouldn't be so sure on even betting that *Dell* will be around to sell you this hypothetical box... On 10/15/05, Ken Higgins wrote: > Yowza, I'll like in on that bet. There is no way that "the VSTs you > have right now" will work on an average 'new machine' in ten years. > Speaking as an old-fart programmer since the Apple ][ days, and > broadcast engineer today. > > Now, how old will I be?! Yikes. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 16:53:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 239753BF2C; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:53:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Y2K5 articles Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:53:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <005401c5d191$0100f430$2101a8c0@alhambra> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:53:02 +0000 (UTC) Disclaimer: I was not getting my dates strait when doing the below listed Good Times interview. I have not been using a JAMMAN since 1988, as that would predate the model's official release by 6 years or so. Doh ,my bad. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Wagner LD [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 7:02 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Y2K5 articles Metro Santa Cruz article from October 5th, 2005 by Bill Forman: http://tinyurl.com/bbsmm Good Times Weekly article from October 6th, 2005 by Annie Rothmann: http://tinyurl.com/a2xf3 Santa Cruz Sentinel article from October 6th, 2005 by Wallace Baine: http://tinyurl.com/a6ztv From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 16:54:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CF2D3BF35; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:54:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <069301c5d1a9$2bc81be0$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <4350714C.6040404@sun.com> <43511950.4000200@sun.com> <065501c5d19e$657b3b20$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 10:54:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 351, in=146380, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:54:59 +0000 (UTC) > No, the key is to never refresh unless absolutely necessary! That sort of goes without saying, but you do have to refresh "eventually" based on the evolving technology, whether that is a new OS, or a new application that won't run on the old OS, etc. So, my point stands. You have to refresh. > Updating the system software means that you'll have to update the audio software, which means forking out more money and eventually running into a terminal incompatibility. One of the downsides of computer-based music making is the amount of tinkering that needs to be done to keep everything running. This is not a problem for me, nor for most computer users I know. I work well with computers, total migrations from one PC to another, etc. I dont think your comments apply universally, though...back to Jeff's bet to you. My VST effects ran on Win 2000 and they still run on XP. And I expect they will run on the next OS, because the VST companies will come out with updates to my existing applications, which I will buy faithly because I love them. Updating the computer, OS, apps, etc, it's all intertwined, which is no big deal to me. Updating is just a part of the responsibility of owning and using a computer. > Why would you two not consider a laptop roadworthy? Roadworthy in what > respect? My laptop is my only computer for work. I use it at home, drag it > around the house with wi-fi, take it on the road for business trips, etc...., > Yeah, but I control all my high-end floor gear with my feet, while wearing shoes, while it's sitting on grotty cafe and club floors, and it all still works. I don't see a lot of laptops on the floor at shows being stepped on. I hear there are these things they make these days, call MIDI controllers and MIDI interfaces, and I hear you can hook them up to a laptop. :) I don't see your EDP on the floor, why would you expect the same of a laptop? > To me, roadworthy stuff has thick metal cases, and sturdy jacks, and the option for mounting it inside an armored carrying unit (i.e. a rack). Think about it--which would you rather have knocked off a table onto a concrete floor--a laptop running some VST emulator, or a rack unit in a rack? The answer to that is obvious, but it still doesn't address the point that even you use gear not in a roadworthy rack (on the floor), and you can just as easily drop your heavy rack on one of those, or someone can dump a pint of beer on them, etc, etc. There are risks with whatever you choose. I'm just trying to avoid the generalizations here and not bash laptops when there here plenty of people using them with success...maybe not you, but many who have not problems with them. You treat them with care and precaution. And there are ways to secure a laptop so that it won't drop on the floor. There are ways to add more level of security around anything, if you want to take those steps. > Hands up for everyone whose had to foot the bill for a laptop display that took a tumble at a gig? Ouch. Hands up for everyone whose had to foot the bill for "anything" that is damaged on the road. How about Phil and his EDP at Y2K5? Being roadworthy does not safeguard for all types of damage. > Maybe consumer laptops are relatively "disposable) but not high end > commercial models,...... >But, as you said, musicians aren't buying those. True. But they should. Pro musicians don't go for the cheap bargin deals when they buy their gear...why should they vary when it comes to laptops? It's mostly an awareness thing I think, not anyone's fault. Basically, you can't buy a commerical box at a retailer...no salesman. You have to buy them directly from the manufacturer, and at a lot higher price. Dell is the exception here, as they have managed to move their consumer sales model to a direct model...good for them, I guess. I see someone drop $4-6K on an eventide, and I see buying a decent commerical laptop in the same category. > One of the major appeals of computer-based solutions is that you can either use the computer you already have, or buy another one cheaply. $4K+ boxes aren't on the shopping list for most musicians. Neither are Eventides and EDPs that run $1000 a piece, but now we separate the boys from the men, or the kids whose parents are buying them gear for christmas vs, folks like Fripp who don't cut any corners on quality. Again, my main reason for responding to this (not wanting to get into the PC debate), but merely to help us avoid making generalizations about laptops, etc. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 16:56:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4273E3BF3C; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:56:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <06ab01c5d1a9$60bd3ce0$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <4350714C.6040404@sun.com> <43511950.4000200@sun.com> <43512404.3000608@sun.com> Subject: Re: VSTs in Ten Years. Was:Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 10:56:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 351, in=157557, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:56:29 +0000 (UTC) Being an HP employee, I am hoping for that. :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 10:47 AM Subject: Re: VSTs in Ten Years. Was:Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius I wouldn't be so sure on even betting that *Dell* will be around to sell you this hypothetical box... On 10/15/05, Ken Higgins wrote: > Yowza, I'll like in on that bet. There is no way that "the VSTs you > have right now" will work on an average 'new machine' in ten years. > Speaking as an old-fart programmer since the Apple ][ days, and > broadcast engineer today. > > Now, how old will I be?! Yikes. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 17:16:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88F7F3BF3D; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 17:16:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: sound mangling devices? Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:17:37 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c5d1ac$577c2120$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <43513807.7151.E9B4AC@localhost> Resent-Message-ID: <6wUn9.A.WR.ilTUDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 17:16:18 +0000 (UTC) Nick, "at a reasonable price" is rather vague a specification. So is "maximum amount of sound mangling power". Could you be more specific? Without having these questions answered: Bitrman (only heard about that one), Zoom 1201, Nord Modular G2 engine with a Behringer BCR2000, Lexicon Vortex... Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net]=20 Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Oktober 2005 18:11 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: sound mangling devices? Hi - I've got my looping side sorted out with a jamman and a zoom g2,=20 but I'm looking for sugegstions as to what units will give the=20 maximum amount of sound mangling power at a reasonable price?=20 It's important that there should be plenty of knobs for live=20 performance. I've got an airFX and that's great, but would like a bit=20 more control so I can repeat effects with some confidence! All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 17:20:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EDC83BF45; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 17:20:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <06e401c5d1ac$bffe6eb0$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <000001c5d1ac$577c2120$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Subject: Re: sound mangling devices? Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 11:20:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 349, in=142284, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 17:20:40 +0000 (UTC) Boss VF1 isn't too bad. And believe it or not, an old Lexicon LXP5 has some crazy sounds on it...I have one, sitting in my closet. :) Both aren't packed withh a lot of nobs, thought, and the LXP5 is incredibly counter-intuitive to program. Hmmmm, this is an interesting challenge. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 11:17 AM Subject: AW: sound mangling devices? Nick, "at a reasonable price" is rather vague a specification. So is "maximum amount of sound mangling power". Could you be more specific? Without having these questions answered: Bitrman (only heard about that one), Zoom 1201, Nord Modular G2 engine with a Behringer BCR2000, Lexicon Vortex... Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net] Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Oktober 2005 18:11 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: sound mangling devices? Hi - I've got my looping side sorted out with a jamman and a zoom g2, but I'm looking for sugegstions as to what units will give the maximum amount of sound mangling power at a reasonable price? It's important that there should be plenty of knobs for live performance. I've got an airFX and that's great, but would like a bit more control so I can repeat effects with some confidence! All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 17:31:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBAA03BF01; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 17:31:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3nki@modaldub.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "jb" <3nki@modaldub.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: 3nki@modaldub.net Subject: Re: sound mangling devices? X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.27 X-IPAddress: 69.226.242.91 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:31:44 -0400 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - space.dnsprotect.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32460 32461] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - modaldub.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <6lHtTD.A.kv.-zTUDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 17:31:42 +0000 (UTC) i think the best ones aren't easy to reproduce with knobs, buttons, presets etc... that's probably what help make them great ;) for example, i have used a Jam Man, rack multi FX of whatever brand, and a mixer with some old guitar pedals sent in to it with great results. a lot of old pedals have weird additional FX, like a short delay on a distortion pedal or weird aspects of an old chorus pedal... by messing with the returns and levels on all these mixer channels something like a drum machine source gets very interesting (and "mangled"). of course it's more improvisational or intuitive, and thus not designed to capture and repeat each sound effect. but i've found the best results often come from tweaking small parameters within an effect or sound in response to live situations, whereas changing between preset effects or effect groups is too abrupt/drastic for me. just my 2¢! -jb > Boss VF1 isn't too bad. And believe it or not, an old Lexicon LXP5 has some > crazy sounds on it...I have one, sitting in my closet. :) Both aren't packed > withh a lot of nobs, thought, and the LXP5 is incredibly counter-intuitive > to program. Hmmmm, this is an interesting challenge. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 11:17 AM > Subject: AW: sound mangling devices? > > > Nick, > > "at a reasonable price" is rather vague a specification. So is "maximum > amount of sound mangling power". Could you be more specific? > > Without having these questions answered: Bitrman (only heard about that > one), Zoom 1201, Nord Modular G2 engine with a Behringer BCR2000, > Lexicon Vortex... > > Rainer > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net] > Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Oktober 2005 18:11 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: sound mangling devices? > > > Hi - I've got my looping side sorted out with a jamman and a zoom g2, > but I'm looking for sugegstions as to what units will give the > maximum amount of sound mangling power at a reasonable price? > > It's important that there should be plenty of knobs for live > performance. I've got an airFX and that's great, but would like a bit > more control so I can repeat effects with some confidence! > > > > > All the best, > > Nick Robinson > > > > > > > ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 'The most faithful audio recording is the one never played." - from http://www.publicrec.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 18:03:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40A5C3BF01; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 18:03:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: , "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:03:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: AW: sound mangling devices? Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <43515274.16789.150EFCC@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <000001c5d1ac$577c2120$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21b) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 18:03:27 +0000 (UTC) On 15 Oct 2005 at 19:17, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > "at a reasonable price" is rather vague a specification. So is > "maximum amount of sound mangling power". Could you be more specific? Sorry, it *was* rather general. Basically, I want to process the loops as they errr loop, to give them more staying power and perceived movement. For example, the airFX can warp a sound way from it's origins, then slowly return back. To get a better idea, check out sample 6 at http://www.nickrobinson.info/music/audio.htm A low-fi real audio excerpt from a recent gig at the Cambrdige looping festival. The loop that "moves" is an old powertran echo (see tech page) which I can pitch bend with the delay knob, going through various airfx patches. My poor old jamman has nothing but a zoom reverb to treat it. > Bitrman I've never seen this series in a shop, but reviews have been uncomplimentary about the sound levels. Anyone use devices from this series? >Zoom 1201, Lexicon Vortex... Too much LCD reading required - I'm looking for plenty of real tme control >Nord Modular G2 engine with a Behringer BCR2000, Possibly a bit OTT for the purpose? Aber danke sehr.... All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 18:08:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E61C73BEF8; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 18:08:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000901c5d1b3$74622f30$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <43515274.16789.150EFCC@localhost> Subject: Re: AW: sound mangling devices? Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 12:08:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 351, in=157577, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 18:08:38 +0000 (UTC) On a related note of tone mangling devices, I remember lusting over an ADA delay unit when I was in highschool...it was an analog unit I believe, with various nobs that you could tweak in real-time. Has anyone ever seen one of these things around they were a single space. It sure is nice to be able to tweak a delay time nob without hearing the digital noise nightmare. I suppose Frisell is using something of this nature. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 12:03 PM Subject: Re: AW: sound mangling devices? > On 15 Oct 2005 at 19:17, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > > "at a reasonable price" is rather vague a specification. So is > > "maximum amount of sound mangling power". Could you be more specific? > > Sorry, it *was* rather general. Basically, I want to process the > loops as they errr loop, to give them more staying power and > perceived movement. For example, the airFX can warp a sound way from > it's origins, then slowly return back. To get a better idea, check > out sample 6 at > > http://www.nickrobinson.info/music/audio.htm > > A low-fi real audio excerpt from a recent gig at the Cambrdige > looping festival. The loop that "moves" is an old powertran echo (see > tech page) which I can pitch bend with the delay knob, going through > various airfx patches. My poor old jamman has nothing but a zoom > reverb to treat it. > > > Bitrman > > I've never seen this series in a shop, but reviews have been > uncomplimentary about the sound levels. Anyone use devices from this > series? > > >Zoom 1201, Lexicon Vortex... > > Too much LCD reading required - I'm looking for plenty of real tme > control > > >Nord Modular G2 engine with a Behringer BCR2000, > > Possibly a bit OTT for the purpose? > > Aber danke sehr.... > > All the best, > > Nick Robinson > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 18:36:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 245613BF02; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 18:36:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vx21NsZGtNGWd3pbwDSiONU9dFtk9g52mScShRbIL4Vo1CIORSnCP2/UhUxZysyQS+dYz2j4OXODNsg2QxVVprxrNrJZ2JmjqAtQGMnz1g7x9Xw7zRj7+SFZKrLXQtf3rx/tqTGE+wxSrrPNN8CmJuvEP7jFxrcAow16+uOg0o0= ; Message-ID: <20051015183617.60064.qmail@web34405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 11:36:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Subject: Re: OT: Digitech Jamman for sale - a hair from new To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051014145232.29336.qmail@web50804.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-379175424-1129401377=:58307" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 18:36:18 +0000 (UTC) --0-379175424-1129401377=:58307 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm sorry to hear of your disillusionment. I recently purchased a JamMan as an "entry level" device into the world of looping. Although I'm far from being an entry level guitarist/bassist (30+ years). These devices, and looping in general first piqued my interest when I saw the RC20 and a DL-4 being used. And I finally came upon the LD site and the mailing list. I joined the list to get information, advice, tips, etc., on looping. But it seems that units such as the RC20XL, JamMan and such, are considered "toys" by the majority of users on this site. It seems like, if you don't own an Echoplex or Repeater - you're not really looping and you're just not welcome here. I understand the origins of Loopers Delight, so I see where the "brand loyalty" rules. I wouldn't knock down anyone because my Taylor or Martin guitar sounded better than their Takamine or Ibanez... They're just tools of the trade, and it's up me to make it sound as good as I possibly can - whether it's $300 or $3000. Personally, I'm having a lot of FUN learning and playing on the Digitech JamMan with simple looping techniques. So it works for me... for now. I really like the musical creations a lot of you are doing on your loopers. Very inspiring. Eventually, I would like to attain that "skill level" of looping. And maybe to get to that point, I will need to get an Echoplex or.... But for now, I'm content with my new "toy". Mike Janosik wrote: Well, I'm too disillusioned to use my Digitech Jamman anymore after the prior posts. so, if anyone wants to buy one, make me a reasonable offer - otherwise it's going on eBay. ABSOLUTE mint condition. Includes box, all docs, power supply, Smartcard. Only used it a couple of times. Shipping TBD. J --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. --0-379175424-1129401377=:58307 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    I'm sorry to hear of your disillusionment.  I recently purchased a JamMan as an "entry level" device into the world of looping.  Although I'm far from being an entry level guitarist/bassist (30+ years).  These devices, and looping in general first piqued my interest when I saw the RC20 and a DL-4 being used.   And I finally came upon the LD site and the mailing list.
     
    I joined the list to get information, advice, tips, etc., on looping.  But it seems that units such as the RC20XL, JamMan and such, are considered "toys" by the majority of users on this site.  It seems like, if you don't own an Echoplex or Repeater - you're not really looping and you're just not welcome here.   I understand the origins of Loopers Delight, so I see where the "brand loyalty" rules.
     
    I wouldn't knock down anyone because my Taylor or Martin guitar sounded better than their Takamine or Ibanez...  They're just tools of the trade, and it's up me to make it sound as good as I possibly can - whether it's $300 or $3000.  Personally, I'm having a lot of FUN learning and playing on the Digitech JamMan with simple looping techniques.  So it works for me... for now.
     
    I really like the musical creations a lot of you are doing on your loopers.  Very inspiring. Eventually, I would like to attain that "skill level" of looping.  And maybe to get to that point, I will need to get an Echoplex or....    But for now, I'm content with my new "toy".
     
    Mike
     

    Janosik <wklemmer1@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Well, I'm too disillusioned to use my Digitech Jamman anymore after the prior posts. so, if anyone wants to buy one, make me a reasonable offer - otherwise it's going on eBay.
     
    ABSOLUTE mint condition. Includes box, all docs, power supply, Smartcard. Only used it a couple of times. Shipping TBD.
     
    J

    Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. --0-379175424-1129401377=:58307-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 18:41:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14F563BF02; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 18:41:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:42:57 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: VSTs in Ten Years. Was:Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43514DB1.10008@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <4350714C.6040404@sun.com> <43511950.4000200@sun.com> <43512404.3000608@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 18:41:31 +0000 (UTC) Ken Higgins wrote: > Yowza, I'll like in on that bet. There is no way that "the VSTs you > have right now" will work on an average 'new machine' in ten years. > Speaking as an old-fart programmer since the Apple ][ days, and > broadcast engineer today. As I said earlier, I don't think it is accurate to expect the upgrade problems we have been experiencing in the last 20 years to continue. Home computer operating systems have been more or less attempting to become Unix for the past 20 years. Now they've achieved that. I have a pretty good idea of what operating systems are going to look like in 10 years, and apart from eye candy in the user interface and bloating up with more applications, they're not going to be that much different. I'm also confident that I can write a VST host application that will run the VSTs of today on tomorrows machines. I don't really want to, but if the price of vintage Repeaters increases substantially I may be forced into it. :-) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 18:46:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 655933BEDB; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 18:46:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:47:47 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: VSTs in Ten Years. Was:Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43514ED3.5050705@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <4350714C.6040404@sun.com> <43511950.4000200@sun.com> <43512404.3000608@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 18:46:20 +0000 (UTC) Travis Hartnett wrote: > I wouldn't be so sure on even betting that *Dell* will be around to > sell you this hypothetical box... The only reason for Dell not to be around in 10 years would be someone dropping a nuke on Round Rock, Texas. Since I live near there, I hope that doesn't happen. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 18:58:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CA383BF1B; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 18:58:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rqRaCgJgQLpV5TuLpQ5UjvuSjgiUn1sPqmSqWojx2LVeEZHTujXkWbVOmsog3+hrxRM9bJst+lPCjKja++t9m5aEbQJzuvPZ3RDxsokrAoGPXfqc+A3z+ZDDu/zNq8mTgrELfC4FO+Io+uioxqWX8TKs2JSJGzCbY1XZ9S/w0so= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 11:57:58 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius In-Reply-To: <069301c5d1a9$2bc81be0$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <4350714C.6040404@sun.com> <43511950.4000200@sun.com> <065501c5d19e$657b3b20$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <069301c5d1a9$2bc81be0$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 18:58:00 +0000 (UTC) On 10/15/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > > No, the key is to never refresh unless absolutely necessary! > > That sort of goes without saying, but you do have to refresh "eventually" > based on the evolving technology, whether that is a new OS, or a new > application that won't run on the old OS, etc. So, my point stands. You h= ave > to refresh. But you have to look at the reason for updates. Are you updating the OS because it fixes a problem with the current audio software you're using, or because the new version of the audio app requires a later version of the system, or because there's been a security upgrade from the OS manufacturer, or what? If a rock-solid performance machine is the goal, you're not going to update just because it's available. And since you're probably using more than one manufacturer's audio software on this machine, you can find yourself in a situation where fixing one problem causes another. > > > Updating the system software means that you'll have to update the audio > software, which means forking out more money and eventually running > into a terminal incompatibility. One of the downsides of > computer-based music making is the amount of tinkering that needs to > be done to keep everything running. > > This is not a problem for me, nor for most computer users I know. I work > well with computers, total migrations > from one PC to another, etc. I dont think your comments apply universally= , > though...back to Jeff's bet to you. Yeah, but for most computer users I know, it is. And I've worked extensively with computers for all my adult life, and the a total migration is not something I'm going to approach lightly if there's a deadline at stake. The investment required to formulate, test and successfully deploy a migration or disaster recovery plan is considerable, and if it's not your job it's all time that comes out of the time available for making music. Or, sleeping. > My VST effects ran on Win 2000 and they still run on XP. And I expect the= y > will run on the next OS, because > the VST companies will come out with updates to my existing applications, > which I will buy faithly because I > love them. Updating the computer, OS, apps, etc, it's all intertwined, wh= ich > is no big deal to me. Updating is > just a part of the responsibility of owning and using a computer. For responsibility one could substitute "hassle", and I say that as someone with five computers running in my house, and another four in my cube at work. I'm not a technophobe, but I'm not going to just wave my hand and say "Well, of course one has to do a little bit of maintenance and backup, no big deal..." > > > Why would you two not consider a laptop roadworthy? Roadworthy in what > > respect? My laptop is my only computer for work. I use it at home, dra= g > it > > around the house with wi-fi, take it on the road for business trips, > etc...., > > > Yeah, but I control all my high-end floor gear with my feet, while > wearing shoes, while it's sitting on grotty cafe and club floors, and > it all still works. I don't see a lot of laptops on the floor at > shows being stepped on. > > I hear there are these things they make these days, call MIDI controllers > and MIDI > interfaces, and I hear you can hook them up to a laptop. :) I don't see > your > EDP on the floor, why would you expect the same of a laptop? Because someone told me I should "Treat it as any other piece of high end floor gear, and we'll be fine." And I keep all floor gear on the floor when I play. The rack-mountable gear I put in a rack, but a lap-top is not easily rackmountable. Which is another of things I don't like about them--the form factor prevents rackmounting. All the lap tops I've dealt with in the last few years have connectors or access doors on at least three sides (of course, I've only been using sub-$4k consumer junk). With rack stuff, everything mounts the same way, connectors are on the back, it's much easier to integerate various components into a "block". If I was going to switch to a lap top based system, I'm guessing I'll need the laptop, an external audio interface (probably connected via a firewire cable). Hopefully the audio interface also includes a MIDI port, otherwise I'll need another box (and cable for that). Then there's the MIDI controller on the floor. And unless I'm religiously dedicated to the idea of 100% of the audio being processed on the laptop, there's a few external effects boxes that need to be integrated into the the setup. Hopefully the firewire audio interface has some flexible routing options, otherwise I need an external mixer. If I'm performing two or three times a week, it'd be nice to bolt all this stuff down so that the number of connections and setup I have to make at each gig is minimized, but the laptop resists easy integration into the typical solution to this problem: a rack. Even if I fasten it to a slide out rack shelf, the large display means that I need either a 10 or 12U rack, or I have to slide the laptop all the way out on its shelf to get the flatpanel open to where I can see it. Which means I've now go a poweradaptor cable, firewire cable, and maybe a USB cable which have to make it back into the rack without getting tangled up or unplugged. I used to use a non-rackmounted mixer in a similar configuration, and finessing the cable harness each time was a pain in the ass. For me, the idea of carrying everything around and then setting it up on a table onstage isn't viable--to many connects and disconnects, not enough room on stage for a table with everything arrayed on the same level, too many cables out where stray venue workers or audience members can trip on them, etc. Plus, I always perform standing up, so I'd need a tall table to put everything at a comfortable height. > > > To me, roadworthy stuff has thick metal cases, and sturdy jacks, and > the option for mounting it inside an armored carrying unit (i.e. a > rack). Think about it--which would you rather have knocked off a > table onto a concrete floor--a laptop running some VST emulator, or a > rack unit in a rack? > > The answer to that is obvious, but it still doesn't address the point tha= t > even > you use gear not in a roadworthy rack (on the floor), and you can just as > easily drop your heavy rack on one of those, or someone can dump a pint > of beer on them, etc, etc. There are risks with whatever you choose. Yeah, but none of those things cost anywhere near $4K, and they're built to be stepped on as part of their normal use. They're much more rugged than any laptop. I'm > just > trying to avoid the generalizations here and not bash laptops when there > here > plenty of people using them with success...maybe not you, but many who ha= ve > not problems with them. You treat them with care and precaution. And ther= e > are ways to secure a laptop so that it won't drop on the floor. There are > ways > to add more level of security around anything, if you want to take those > steps. Yes, there are ways, but it's more difficult with a laptop than with purpose designed musical equipment. > > > Hands up for everyone whose had to foot the bill > for a laptop display that took a tumble at a gig? Ouch. > > Hands up for everyone whose had to foot the bill for > "anything" that is damaged on the road. How about Phil > and his EDP at Y2K5? Being roadworthy does not safeguard > for all types of damage. I'd certainly favor a racked set of gear versus a laptop on the table (the most common way I've seen laptops in use during performance) when it comes to the drop test. > > > Maybe consumer laptops are relatively "disposable) but not high end > > commercial models,...... > >But, as you said, musicians aren't buying those. > > True. But they should. Pro musicians don't go for the cheap bargin deals > when they buy > their gear...why should they vary when it comes to laptops? What's the definition of "Pro"? My definition of a professional musician is someone who puts "musician" as the occupation on their tax return and doesn't have a wife or family or another non-music job helping out with the bills. Everyone else is a non-professional. I don't think there are more than a handful of professional musicians on this list, and I think they might delegate the entire discussion to their roadies. TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 19:02:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D9143BF16; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:02:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hbnF2KIWmYy0az03XE9H/SQWkl4BlCh7wXJYbWNcDgMg/CAll5RG86TNJ23xdAFe5ZajuvI4xVpmxX6TjRGniMpHYVX4+mGe4Y6FrRj/N4KOM/htW307ICAlFpMwOqd3R/xwfhOQ1T7QCeoN24bYNXNRDvjtxFyxzsNmoJJ/gp0= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 12:02:26 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: sound mangling devices? In-Reply-To: <000901c5d1b3$74622f30$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <43515274.16789.150EFCC@localhost> <000901c5d1b3$74622f30$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <-CG96D.A.uHD.TJVUDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:02:43 +0000 (UTC) You don't need an analog delay for that, just an old-style digital delay. Any of the Digitech Time Machines let you do that trick without those artifacts you get on modern programmable units. On 10/15/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > On a related note of tone mangling devices, I remember lusting over an AD= A > delay unit when I was in highschool...it was an analog unit I believe, wi= th > various nobs that you could tweak in real-time. Has anyone ever seen one = of > these things around they were a single space. It sure is nice to be able = to > tweak a delay time nob without hearing the digital noise nightmare. I > suppose Frisell is using something of this nature. > > Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 19:18:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88F6A3BF1E; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:18:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002101c5d1bd$305729d0$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <43515274.16789.150EFCC@localhost> <000901c5d1b3$74622f30$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: AW: sound mangling devices? Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 13:18:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 349, in=142303, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:18:19 +0000 (UTC) yea, but IF i could just find that unit....1 space, lots of colorful nobs...I can't even find it on the web. At the time, on my teenager grocery store box-boy salary, I could only dream of buying one of thes back then....I guess 1982? You're right, any old analog delay box would work. I think Ibenez made a rackmount analog unit too...not sure. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 1:02 PM Subject: Re: AW: sound mangling devices? You don't need an analog delay for that, just an old-style digital delay. Any of the Digitech Time Machines let you do that trick without those artifacts you get on modern programmable units. On 10/15/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > On a related note of tone mangling devices, I remember lusting over an ADA > delay unit when I was in highschool...it was an analog unit I believe, with > various nobs that you could tweak in real-time. Has anyone ever seen one of > these things around they were a single space. It sure is nice to be able to > tweak a delay time nob without hearing the digital noise nightmare. I > suppose Frisell is using something of this nature. > > Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 19:32:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F8F83BF19; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:32:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 14:32:39 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: OT: Digitech Jamman for sale - a hair from new To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <25318967.1129404760005.JavaMail.root@vms076.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-gewtC.A.M0D.YlVUDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:32:41 +0000 (UTC) >From: Michael It seems like, if you don't own an Echoplex or Repeater - you're not really looping and you're just not welcome here. michael.....not true at all!.....i maintain, "the more loopers (machines that is) the better".....i've spent days on end just using the 5 sec. looper in my QUADRAVERB 2.....and i use a boomerang and haven't been asked to leave many looper get-togethers, at least not for being a rang user!.....:)m http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 19:49:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 461853BF23; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:49:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <4350714C.6040404@sun.com> <43511950.4000200@sun.com> <065501c5d19e$657b3b20$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <069301c5d1a9$2bc81be0$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <462CE4E7-13B5-4D33-8D14-1D542506FE63@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:49:51 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: <69s4yD.A.2NE.i1VUDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:49:55 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 15, 2005, at 20:57, Travis Hartnett wrote: > For me, the idea of carrying everything around and then setting it up > on a table onstage isn't viable--to many connects and disconnects, not > enough room on stage for a table with everything arrayed on the same > level, too many cables out where stray venue workers or audience > members can trip on them, etc. That's my view as well. The solution I'm staying with is to keep devices mounted into a small rack (4 or 6 high - have two set-ups), all connected and ready. When setting up at soundcheck I make five cable connections to get going: - Laptop (1 firewire cable, 1 USB cable, 1 power cable) - MIDI foot controller + MIDI hand controller (1 MIDI cable) - Microphone (XLR cable) - Instrument line (1 line plug cable) - Rack output to PA (1 XLR) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 19:51:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BD803BF2B; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:51:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RjccjoV4TI/viQqSSewGLx10cYFMGBF3H35FtFK8iCItXDAeDLeGhM4IOmVIOYmY3t69UoWyvZEdK6ZTZIntR+rVbXANw5c6K1ES1lfx6rGNCc018r/yPpddlBMjlAcFO+0/Bbru0VeM7Zz7BREhNOstRIXK/uXHLE13FTgotqI= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 12:51:27 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius In-Reply-To: <462CE4E7-13B5-4D33-8D14-1D542506FE63@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <4350714C.6040404@sun.com> <43511950.4000200@sun.com> <065501c5d19e$657b3b20$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <069301c5d1a9$2bc81be0$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <462CE4E7-13B5-4D33-8D14-1D542506FE63@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 19:51:29 +0000 (UTC) Do you carry the laptop in a separate case and then wire it into the rack? If so, where do you sit the laptop when it's in use? TravisH On 10/15/05, Per Boysen wrote: > On Oct 15, 2005, at 20:57, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > > For me, the idea of carrying everything around and then setting it up > > on a table onstage isn't viable--to many connects and disconnects, not > > enough room on stage for a table with everything arrayed on the same > > level, too many cables out where stray venue workers or audience > > members can trip on them, etc. > > > That's my view as well. The solution I'm staying with is to keep > devices mounted into a small rack (4 or 6 high - have two set-ups), > all connected and ready. When setting up at soundcheck I make five > cable connections to get going: > - Laptop (1 firewire cable, 1 USB cable, 1 power cable) > - MIDI foot controller + MIDI hand controller (1 MIDI cable) > - Microphone (XLR cable) > - Instrument line (1 line plug cable) > - Rack output to PA (1 XLR) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 21:39:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55EE93BEF7; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:39:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:41:04 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: AW: sound mangling devices? In-reply-to: <000901c5d1b3$74622f30$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43517770.3060308@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <43515274.16789.150EFCC@localhost> <000901c5d1b3$74622f30$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:39:39 +0000 (UTC) Kris Hartung wrote: > On a related note of tone mangling devices, I remember lusting over an ADA > delay unit when I was in highschool...it was an analog unit I believe, with > various nobs that you could tweak in real-time. Has anyone ever seen one of > these things around they were a single space. It sure is nice to be able to > tweak a delay time nob without hearing the digital noise nightmare. I > suppose Frisell is using something of this nature. I have a late-eighties Korg SDD-1000 digital delay that behaves like this. It is digital but the delay time adjusts smoothly to my ears. This was in fact my first "looper" with a whopping 2 seconds of loop time. It was fun to record a loop then use the delay time knob to sweep the playback rate & pitch up and down smoothly. 1U with knobs for input level, delay time, feedback, high cut, intensity, frequency, and mix. I was actually getting ready to put it up on eBay, but now I'm having a wave of nostalgia :-) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 21:43:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD0813BF08; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:43:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: AW: sound mangling devices? Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 23:44:56 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c5d1d1$afa7b1a0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: <000901c5d1b3$74622f30$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:43:38 +0000 (UTC) You can do this with the repeater by sending the Varispeed CC when not in MIDI or Beat Sync. Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Oktober 2005 20:09 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: AW: sound mangling devices? On a related note of tone mangling devices, I remember lusting over an ADA delay unit when I was in highschool...it was an analog unit I believe, with various nobs that you could tweak in real-time. Has anyone ever seen one of these things around they were a single space. It sure is nice to be able to tweak a delay time nob without hearing the digital noise nightmare. I suppose Frisell is using something of this nature. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: To: ; "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 12:03 PM Subject: Re: AW: sound mangling devices? > On 15 Oct 2005 at 19:17, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > > "at a reasonable price" is rather vague a specification. So is=20 > > "maximum amount of sound mangling power". Could you be more=20 > > specific? > > Sorry, it *was* rather general. Basically, I want to process the loops > as they errr loop, to give them more staying power and perceived=20 > movement. For example, the airFX can warp a sound way from it's=20 > origins, then slowly return back. To get a better idea, check out=20 > sample 6 at > > http://www.nickrobinson.info/music/audio.htm > > A low-fi real audio excerpt from a recent gig at the Cambrdige looping > festival. The loop that "moves" is an old powertran echo (see tech=20 > page) which I can pitch bend with the delay knob, going through=20 > various airfx patches. My poor old jamman has nothing but a zoom=20 > reverb to treat it. > > > Bitrman > > I've never seen this series in a shop, but reviews have been=20 > uncomplimentary about the sound levels. Anyone use devices from this=20 > series? > > >Zoom 1201, Lexicon Vortex... > > Too much LCD reading required - I'm looking for plenty of real tme=20 > control > > >Nord Modular G2 engine with a Behringer BCR2000, > > Possibly a bit OTT for the purpose? > > Aber danke sehr.... > > All the best, > > Nick Robinson > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 21:48:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 665F93BF17; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:48:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <43517770.3060308@sun.com> References: <43515274.16789.150EFCC@localhost> <000901c5d1b3$74622f30$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <43517770.3060308@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: AW: sound mangling devices? Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 16:45:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:48:38 +0000 (UTC) > I have a late-eighties Korg SDD-1000 digital delay that behaves > like this. If anyone has a Korg SDD-3000 they want to sell at any point in time, please keep me in mind. It's a great digital delay. I'd like a back up some day. Or a TC 2290....:) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 22:00:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22ABB3BF20; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:00:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: OT: Digitech Jamman for sale - a hair from new Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 00:01:23 +0200 Message-ID: <000101c5d1d3$fb999c20$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: <20051015183617.60064.qmail@web34405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:00:05 +0000 (UTC) Mike, I think by comparing people talking about EDP or Repeater vs. Digitech Jamman or Boss RC20XL to knocking down people who don't have a Taylor or Martin, you are missing the point somewhat. The way I understood most of the messages dealing with the Digitech Jamman or Boss RC20XL, these messages said that both devices seem to be targeted at a somewhat different set of use cases than the ones employed by the majority of artists here on this list. This has nothing to do with knocking down anyone because he hasn't a Martin instead of his Takamine, rather because he has a Martin instead of a Klein and wants to use it to play death metal.=20 Worse still, the Digitech Jamman is named after a famous vintage looper, yet doesn't do the same things the original (Lexicon) Jamman did. When I first got onto this list, I looped using the delay effects of my Digitech StudioQuad and the Boss SE-50. Today, I do most of my looping with the Repeater and/or the DL4 - and I'll have to say that even the repeater has some serious flaws (think about the can't go from record to overdub "feature"). And I still believe that cool looping-stuff can be done with a minimum setup (I'm thinking about trying this for a change) - and it can be very inspiring (but also very limiting) not to have certain features at hand. What are these important features and use cases? This of course depends on the artist - and it helps to study your own style of using the tool - there are lots of options on the Repeater (and on the DL4) which I use all the time, while I don't (or very seldomly) use others.=20 And with that I'll end: it depends on the player what is important feature-wise - and that what is a good looper and what isn't.=20 Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Michael [mailto:michaelbrian76@yahoo.com]=20 Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Oktober 2005 20:36 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: OT: Digitech Jamman for sale - a hair from new I'm sorry to hear of your disillusionment. I recently purchased a JamMan as an "entry level" device into the world of looping. Although I'm far from being an entry level guitarist/bassist (30+ years). These devices, and looping in general first piqued my interest when I saw the RC20 and a DL-4 being used. And I finally came upon the LD site and the mailing list. I joined the list to get information, advice, tips, etc., on looping. But it seems that units such as the RC20XL, JamMan and such, are considered "toys" by the majority of users on this site. It seems like, if you don't own an Echoplex or Repeater - you're not really looping and you're just not welcome here. I understand the origins of Loopers Delight, so I see where the "brand loyalty" rules. I wouldn't knock down anyone because my Taylor or Martin guitar sounded better than their Takamine or Ibanez... They're just tools of the trade, and it's up me to make it sound as good as I possibly can - whether it's $300 or $3000. Personally, I'm having a lot of FUN learning and playing on the Digitech JamMan with simple looping techniques. So it works for me... for now. I really like the musical creations a lot of you are doing on your loopers. Very inspiring. Eventually, I would like to attain that "skill level" of looping. And maybe to get to that point, I will need to get an Echoplex or.... But for now, I'm content with my new "toy". Mike Janosik wrote: Well, I'm too disillusioned to use my Digitech Jamman anymore after the prior posts. so, if anyone wants to buy one, make me a reasonable offer - otherwise it's going on eBay. ABSOLUTE mint condition. Includes box, all docs, power supply, Smartcard. Only used it a couple of times. Shipping TBD. J Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 22:02:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BB623BF28; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:02:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <4350714C.6040404@sun.com> <43511950.4000200@sun.com> <065501c5d19e$657b3b20$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <069301c5d1a9$2bc81be0$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <462CE4E7-13B5-4D33-8D14-1D542506FE63@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <523457E8-1215-40F0-AB06-8EC43A951154@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 00:02:07 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:02:11 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 15, 2005, at 21:51, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Do you carry the laptop in a separate case and then wire it into the > rack? Yep. Like to keep an eye on it all the time ;-) > If so, where do you sit the laptop when it's in use? wherever there is a place to put it. I don't need to see the screen so it's just a matter of a little free space in a safe area. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 22:13:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AEB23BF21; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:13:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rH/BgXWHwbb46n6psI+rM7wnlw+NLLaN6kKKj2qCbE4U84HrGegIE14M/Wda1tMCogmoVljxnbltGY6EGnRPNGNLXbuECg3cUNcLJ71vszGyjfqkZ0q3i9EBsRx4y4Nc9AAfnP9743U7VOWH85heu50anLdVLv+z4P0gBJZfDYI= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 15:13:39 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: sound mangling devices? In-Reply-To: <43517770.3060308@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <43515274.16789.150EFCC@localhost> <000901c5d1b3$74622f30$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <43517770.3060308@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:13:41 +0000 (UTC) On 10/15/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > > On a related note of tone mangling devices, I remember lusting over an = ADA > > delay unit when I was in highschool...it was an analog unit I believe, = with > > various nobs that you could tweak in real-time. Has anyone ever seen on= e of > > these things around they were a single space. It sure is nice to be abl= e to > > tweak a delay time nob without hearing the digital noise nightmare. I > > suppose Frisell is using something of this nature. > Frisell used a Digitech Echo+ 8 second delay for a long time. I think he also used the old EH-16 before that. TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 15 22:31:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2C6F3BEFC; Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:31:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=F97dXgZW38qlXdu3FR5Mgj7hOhw7/ZB1KH7fibgb8TAoKgE8GEu+w8YN2pryFPR8fFtSpXPI2tFjSVLdyboCni5ctq0dH6qT8dz6PHqXeW5pQ1LXOBnbrJ/EZwdzPRAYJRnG+Q3zQ/SZY4ofG3dMiAmiYWPnBCem5luGNlz8lLQ= ; Message-ID: <20051015223112.75670.qmail@web50513.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 15:31:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Rogers Reply-To: onemouthband@yahoo.com Subject: Turning OFF MultiIncrease in LoopIV To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 22:31:13 +0000 (UTC) 'PlexPeople - I was just practicing a song that I haven't done since I made the upgrade to LoopIV, and I found I can't figure out how to perform it anymore. It's Stanley Turrentine's "Sugar", and I do the whole head as one 30-second loop (MoreLoops=4, AutoRecord=On). I used to go directly from the bass & drums in Loop1, to recording a trumpet solo in Loop2, then jump back to Loop1 again for the lyrics, then Loop3, etc. But now when I try to jump from recording Loop2 back to Loop1, I end up in MultiIncreaseLand. MultiIncrease is a beautiful function, but is there a way I can turn it off for this tune? Or a better way to approach the tune altogether? Thanks! Sam Rogers One Mouth Band www.OneMouthBand.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 16 08:24:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 132B73BED8; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 08:24:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ltwptmAoIAmEAJt6NUonPGxyw0Dhs4Bm9Il6cJ6PWiU7URnYj8/FPOJ6rvJaT37J341egcoYTguNeuQjDpR8cNSQCzBv46Fk03MzLfZMr0eRpWwFE2vUxhuGEX1h6yQguLsbf0msugZI4oOZqPPNTWqxHP68P9B1XMkIjsZbrHk= ; Message-ID: <20051016082443.37312.qmail@web34402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 01:24:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Subject: Re: AW: OT: Digitech Jamman for sale - a hair from new To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000101c5d1d3$fb999c20$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-177077708-1129451083=:4311" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 08:24:45 +0000 (UTC) --0-177077708-1129451083=:4311 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Rainer, Thank you for putting it in another perspective. I guess being a newbie to the world of looping, I'm just in awe of the technical skills, hardware and software a lot of you possess. I'm just starting to scratch the surface of what can be created and acheived through looping. I guess as soon as I personally come across "limitations or flaws" for my looping needs on the Digitech JamMan, I'll probably be looking at something else too. For now, it works for me. Mike Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: Mike, I think by comparing people talking about EDP or Repeater vs. Digitech Jamman or Boss RC20XL to knocking down people who don't have a Taylor or Martin, you are missing the point somewhat. The way I understood most of the messages dealing with the Digitech Jamman or Boss RC20XL, these messages said that both devices seem to be targeted at a somewhat different set of use cases than the ones employed by the majority of artists here on this list. This has nothing to do with knocking down anyone because he hasn't a Martin instead of his Takamine, rather because he has a Martin instead of a Klein and wants to use it to play death metal. Worse still, the Digitech Jamman is named after a famous vintage looper, yet doesn't do the same things the original (Lexicon) Jamman did. When I first got onto this list, I looped using the delay effects of my Digitech StudioQuad and the Boss SE-50. Today, I do most of my looping with the Repeater and/or the DL4 - and I'll have to say that even the repeater has some serious flaws (think about the can't go from record to overdub "feature"). And I still believe that cool looping-stuff can be done with a minimum setup (I'm thinking about trying this for a change) - and it can be very inspiring (but also very limiting) not to have certain features at hand. What are these important features and use cases? This of course depends on the artist - and it helps to study your own style of using the tool - there are lots of options on the Repeater (and on the DL4) which I use all the time, while I don't (or very seldomly) use others. And with that I'll end: it depends on the player what is important feature-wise - and that what is a good looper and what isn't. Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Michael [mailto:michaelbrian76@yahoo.com] Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Oktober 2005 20:36 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: OT: Digitech Jamman for sale - a hair from new --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. --0-177077708-1129451083=:4311 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    Rainer,
     
    Thank you for putting it in another perspective.  I guess being a newbie to the world of looping, I'm just in awe of the technical skills, hardware and software a lot of you possess.  I'm just starting to scratch the surface of what can be created and acheived through looping.
     
    I guess as soon as I personally come across "limitations or flaws" for my looping needs on the Digitech JamMan, I'll probably be looking at something else too.  For now, it works for me.
     
    Mike

    Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:
    Mike,

    I think by comparing people talking about EDP or Repeater vs. Digitech
    Jamman or Boss RC20XL to knocking down people who don't have a Taylor or
    Martin, you are missing the point somewhat.

    The way I understood most of the messages dealing with the Digitech
    Jamman or Boss RC20XL, these messages said that both devices seem to be
    targeted at a somewhat different set of use cases than the ones employed
    by the majority of artists here on this list. This has nothing to do
    with knocking down anyone because he hasn't a Martin instead of his
    Takamine, rather because he has a Martin instead of a Klein and wants to
    use it to play death metal.

    Worse still, the Digitech Jamman is named after a famous vintage looper,
    yet doesn't do the same things the original (Lexicon) Jamman did.

    When I first got onto this list, I looped using the delay effects of my
    Digitech StudioQuad and the Boss SE-50. Today, I do most of my looping
    with the Repeater and/or the DL4 - and I'll have to say that even the
    repeater has some serious flaws (think about the can't go from record to
    overdub "feature"). And I still believe that cool looping-stuff can be
    done with a minimum setup (I'm thinking about trying this for a change)
    - and it can be very inspiring (but also very limiting) not to have
    certain features at hand.

    What are these important features and use cases? This of course depends
    on the artist - and it helps to study your own style of using the tool -
    there are lots of options on the Repeater (and on the DL4) which I use
    all the time, while I don't (or very seldomly) use others.

    And with that I'll end: it depends on the player what is important
    feature-wise - and that what is a good looper and what isn't.

    Rainer

    -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
    Von: Michael [mailto:michaelbrian76@yahoo.com]
    Gesendet: Samstag, 15. Oktober 2005 20:36
    An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Betreff: Re: OT: Digitech Jamman for sale - a hair from new

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Try it free. --0-177077708-1129451083=:4311-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 16 15:27:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC6B63BEEE; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:27:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20051016110658.01eb8718@mail.wightman.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:27:42 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius In-Reply-To: <069301c5d1a9$2bc81be0$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <4350714C.6040404@sun.com> <43511950.4000200@sun.com> <065501c5d19e$657b3b20$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <069301c5d1a9$2bc81be0$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-48D35E0E Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:27:52 +0000 (UTC) I think my question did get answered in there somewhere, that is that if you're willing to dedicate the laptop to a purpose it will work as well as the dedicated hardware. The whole question of of how it depreciates doesn't concern me, I don't believe that depreciation and functionality mean the same thing at all. Like others I have laptops that are still working fine for the applications that I originally bought them for. Why should "freezing" the OS system be such a big deal..... that's pretty much what I'm doing with buying a dedicated piece of hardware. I set my laptop on top of my rack and made a strap to secure it. Perhaps I've been spoiled with the venues that I perform in, spilled beer etc. is really not much of a concern. Travis, I really am surprised by your very narrow definition of a professional musician! I made my sole living playing music for over ten years, I don't consider myself any less professional now. I think anyone who is taking their music seriously, is expected to be paid when asked to perform, is a professional musician. That may make an interesting question to ask, How do you define what a professional musician is? By your definition, I guess that I couldn't even be called a professional plumber since I don't make enough to cover our bills and need my wife to supplement our income. Paul Haslem Ontario, Canada From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 16 15:44:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22B1A3BEF7; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:44:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NwawoiydRjWe+b2krHMjwze8hRQDVDxxZptqHiqpVDH2vO/nSIlBeZywyqchkiswcO7eNY04pXkzh15GrhOpQeUF9ybTAI1wgqDREK+eJqx8ObFzJkbMZYiXHEOt1Sg4r9evMlxABHhP9qP8GQOMF7D2f56jWM3wcQIjOfRlfEI= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 08:44:47 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20051016110658.01eb8718@mail.wightman.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <4350714C.6040404@sun.com> <43511950.4000200@sun.com> <065501c5d19e$657b3b20$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <069301c5d1a9$2bc81be0$0cc9f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20051016110658.01eb8718@mail.wightman.ca> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:44:49 +0000 (UTC) In the world of musicians, the term "professional" gets thrown around with abandon, and is often used to denote how "serious" someone is in their musical endeavours. I'm not intending a slight to musicians who can't make ends meet soley through their music, I'm just applying a more precise definition than is often used. A guy who works as a waiter while putting himself through college can be described as a professional waiter, or even a student, but not as a "professional architect", even if he's attending architecture school, and even if he really, really likes to draw buildings and has his own drafting table and a large collection of pencils. As far as I'm concerned, the same applies to musicians. Your "profession" is what you make your living at, your self-definition can be an entirely different thing. "Turning pro" usually means "I've quit my day job". If you've got a W-2 with something other than "musician" listed on it, you're semi-pro. It doesn't mean that you're less of a musician, just that your involvement in the economic realm of music-making is below a certain threshold. TravisH On 10/16/05, paul wrote: > Travis, I really am surprised by your very narrow definition of a > professional musician! I made my sole living playing music for over ten > years, I don't consider myself any less professional now. > I think anyone who is taking their music seriously, is expected to be pai= d > when asked to perform, is a professional musician. That may make an > interesting question to ask, How do you define what a professional musici= an is? > By your definition, I guess that I couldn't even be called a professional > plumber since I don't make enough to cover our bills and need my wife to > supplement our income. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 16 15:49:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20A5F3BF01; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:49:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:49:22 EDT Subject: I Believe in 'Truth in Advertising" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d2.3391ad50.3083d082_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <4WtFBD.A.VtF.HanUDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:49:28 +0000 (UTC) --part1_d2.3391ad50.3083d082_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yo! Thanks to the hard work and stellar technical efforts of Krispen Hartung, Ted Killian's Y2K5 performance tracks are now all uploaded and immediately ready and awaiting public ridicule right this very moment! Download and hear mind-numbing repetition, aimless and formless noodling unlike anything you've ever experienced before! Pretentious and obtuse unmusicality on a truly grand and unprecedented scale! Hear banalities, inanities and atonalities all at once! Hear a man struggling mightily to come up with just one single worthwhile musical idea -- over the course of 4 tracks! Collect them all! Play them for your friends! Clear rooms! Cure warts! Cause brain damage! It's all your's for FREE and in just under 30 minutes! Hurry down today while the supply lasts! Rick's Intro and Ted Warming Up Part One - Guitar Dyslexia Dyslexia -- A disorder marked by inability to recognize and comprehend written words. 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    ridicule right this very moment! Download and hear mind-numbing repetition,=20= aimless
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    worthwhile musical idea -- over the course of 4 tracks! Collect them all! Pl= ay them for
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              Dysplasia -- Abnormal= development or growth of tissues, organs, or cells.

    You can tell I work in advertising can't you?

    Best regards,

    Ted Killian     --part1_d2.3391ad50.3083d082_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 16 15:51:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34D5B3BF01; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:51:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:53:06 +0200 Message-ID: <000b01c5d269$b3c30a30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:51:53 +0000 (UTC) So your definition of pro or non-pro is entirely based on the economics. Which would make somebody living off welfare and at the same time trying to get somebody interested in their entirely unprofessional art is a professional, while somebody like e.g. Bryan Beller (of Mike Keneally/Beer for Dolphins, Z, Steve Vai, Mullmuzzler/Jamie LaBrie etc.) isn't (or at least hasn't been until shortly). -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com]=20 Gesendet: Sonntag, 16. Oktober 2005 17:45 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius In the world of musicians, the term "professional" gets thrown around with abandon, and is often used to denote how "serious" someone is in their musical endeavours. I'm not intending a slight to musicians who can't make ends meet soley through their music, I'm just applying a more precise definition than is often used. A guy who works as a waiter while putting himself through college can be described as a professional waiter, or even a student, but not as a "professional architect", even if he's attending architecture school, and even if he really, really likes to draw buildings and has his own drafting table and a large collection of pencils. As far as I'm concerned, the same applies to musicians. Your "profession" is what you make your living at, your self-definition can be an entirely different thing. "Turning pro" usually means "I've quit my day job". If you've got a W-2 with something other than "musician" listed on it, you're semi-pro. It doesn't mean that you're less of a musician, just that your involvement in the economic realm of music-making is below a certain threshold. TravisH On 10/16/05, paul wrote: > Travis, I really am surprised by your very narrow definition of a=20 > professional musician! I made my sole living playing music for over=20 > ten years, I don't consider myself any less professional now. I think=20 > anyone who is taking their music seriously, is expected to be paid=20 > when asked to perform, is a professional musician. That may make an=20 > interesting question to ask, How do you define what a professional=20 > musician is? By your definition, I guess that I couldn't even be=20 > called a professional plumber since I don't make enough to cover our=20 > bills and need my wife to supplement our income. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 16 16:00:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA3373BF01; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:00:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RhBEUmZeVfuexM0UEqT9h598q1W4wImea9//mOwjmOgsAY1W0bPAdotyUgEOZme6KZICPsV747FYBJ5vKX4SDch6cK/yr1j0s7XJORH03x7hY67VgGuuFlH68cZpWUfxZ2a47aYdAjY4pOzpZvyMb20PUz9DZd77wDlDHa7C/gM= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:00:29 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius In-Reply-To: <000b01c5d269$b3c30a30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000b01c5d269$b3c30a30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:00:31 +0000 (UTC) > So your definition of pro or non-pro is entirely based on the economics. Yes! > Which would make somebody living off welfare and at the same time trying > to get somebody interested in their entirely unprofessional art is a > professional, No--the welfare case isn't paying his bills from money derived from music-making activities. In a related case: Vincent van Gogh was never a professional painter. Bryan Beller: no, wasn't a professional musician until recently. Has existed in the semi-pro years since leaving college under my definition. Another related case: Philip Glass drove a taxi and installed kitchen appliances to pay the bills until the early 80's. TravisH On 10/16/05, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > So your definition of pro or non-pro is entirely based on the economics. > Which would make somebody living off welfare and at the same time trying > to get somebody interested in their entirely unprofessional art is a > professional, while somebody like e.g. Bryan Beller (of Mike > Keneally/Beer for Dolphins, Z, Steve Vai, Mullmuzzler/Jamie LaBrie etc.) > isn't (or at least hasn't been until shortly). > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 16 16:15:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA2CB3BEF4; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:15:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006901c5d26c$bf987db0$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: I Believe in 'Truth in Advertising" Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 10:14:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0066_01C5D23A.742CB3F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 352, in=146566, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:15:02 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C5D23A.742CB3F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ted, I find that if I play them through my 1000 watt Crown amp cranked = in full, through a 15 " subwoofer placed directly and snuggly under my = lower back, all my back problems have miraculously been resolved. Yo da = man! :) I am half joking...your comment about joking reminded me of a = article a read several years ago about using low end sound waves as = massage therapy. Good stuff, Ted. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ArsOcarina@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 9:49 AM Subject: I Believe in 'Truth in Advertising" Yo! Thanks to the hard work and stellar technical efforts of Krispen = Hartung, Ted Killian's Y2K5=20 performance tracks are now all uploaded and immediately ready and = awaiting public=20 ridicule right this very moment! Download and hear mind-numbing = repetition, aimless=20 and formless noodling unlike anything you've ever experienced before! = Pretentious and=20 obtuse unmusicality on a truly grand and unprecedented scale! Hear = banalities, inanities=20 and atonalities all at once! Hear a man struggling mightily to come up = with just one single worthwhile musical idea -- over the course of 4 tracks! Collect them = all! Play them for=20 your friends! Clear rooms! Cure warts! Cause brain damage! It's all = your's for FREE=20 and in just under 30 minutes! Hurry down today while the supply lasts! Rick's Intro and Ted Warming Up Part One - Guitar Dyslexia Dyslexia -- A disorder marked by inability to recognize and = comprehend written words. Part Two - Guitar Dysphasia=20 Dysphasia -- Impairment of speech and verbal comprehension = associated with brain injury. Part Three - Guitar Dysplasia =20 Dysplasia -- Abnormal development or growth of tissues, = organs, or cells. You can tell I work in advertising can't you? Best regards, Ted Killian ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C5D23A.742CB3F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Ted, I find that if I play them through = my 1000=20 watt Crown amp cranked in full, through a 15 " subwoofer placed directly = and snuggly under my lower back, all my back problems = have=20 miraculously been resolved. Yo da man!  :)  I am half = joking...your=20 comment about joking reminded me of a article a read several years ago = about=20 using low end sound waves as massage therapy.
     
    Good stuff, Ted.
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 ArsOcarina@aol.com
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 = 9:49=20 AM
    Subject: I Believe in 'Truth in = Advertising"

    Yo!

    Thanks to the hard work and = stellar=20 technical efforts of Krispen Hartung, Ted Killian's Y2K5 =
    performance=20 tracks are now all uploaded and immediately ready and awaiting public=20
    ridicule right this very moment! Download and hear mind-numbing=20 repetition, aimless
    and formless noodling unlike anything you've = ever=20 experienced before! Pretentious and
    obtuse unmusicality on a truly = grand=20 and unprecedented scale! Hear banalities, inanities
    and = atonalities all at=20 once! Hear a man struggling mightily to come up with just one=20 single
    worthwhile musical idea -- over the course of 4 tracks! = Collect them=20 all! Play them for
    your friends! Clear rooms! Cure warts! Cause = brain=20 damage! It's all your's for FREE
    and in just under 30 minutes! = Hurry down=20 today while the supply lasts!

    Rick's Intro and Ted Warming=20 Up
        =20 <http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987388.html>

    Part = One -=20 Guitar Dyslexia
        =20 = <http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985656.html>
        =20      Dyslexia -- A disorder marked by inability to = recognize and comprehend written words.

    Part Two - = Guitar Dysphasia=20
        =20 = <http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985657.html>
        =20      Dysphasia -- Impairment of speech and verbal=20 comprehension associated with brain injury.

    Part Three - = Guitar Dysplasia=20     
        =20 = <http://box.net/public/khartung/files/988212.html>
        =20      Dysplasia -- Abnormal development or growth = of=20 tissues, organs, or cells.

    You can tell I work in advertising can't=20 you?

    Best regards,

    Ted Killian    =20     ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C5D23A.742CB3F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 16 16:22:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49BEE3BF06; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:22:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: <000b01c5d269$b3c30a30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Defining "pro" Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 18:22:19 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: <4kJAeC.A.5kG.-4nUDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:22:23 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I completely agree with Travis' definition of "pro". A funny definition of amateur is one who calls himself "pro" even though he isn't able to make a living of his music. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 16 16:50:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF9F93BEF8; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:50:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <435284CA.7000104@dadaprod.org> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 18:50:18 +0200 From: sonic steph User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: fr, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Defining "pro" References: <000b01c5d269$b3c30a30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Ovh-Remote: 81.185.81.100 () X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: fait|type 1&3|0.0|H 0.5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:50:31 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen a écrit : > Hi, > > I completely agree with Travis' definition of "pro". A funny > definition of amateur is one who calls himself "pro" even though he > isn't able to make a living of his music. I guess it is not funny at all, but making a living of music sounds completely elitist.. As this is only possible if only few people produce music.. the disc industry make people think that very few people are really talented, which is obviously wrong, regarded to all the stuff you can hear on the net, on the metro or wherever you listen to non commercial music.. so a pro to be pro sounds to me more like a capitalistic bahaviour than a musical one.. bye stephane -- ___________________________________________________________ Musique, vidéo, radio indépendante (boycottez les majors!) ----------------------- http://www.dadaprod.org ___________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 16 17:07:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F18A63BF15; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:07:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=W6ybcb1f6VxN7sHlOEw6Y6SE1r638fHx5KAqGMBD2fzi2wNHn4IDkQUU5h6m2ywW3DVvSzBtY6Ep5hHFjDz5FjNOvZUgO7XsVO/tCcHdGYMRO/N3UfFD83W9oVEJPBazKE0+YWQFgvFLH6Xp7R51H2Iub4GjpT//Wdqtv1giuvg= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 10:07:43 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Defining "pro" In-Reply-To: <435284CA.7000104@dadaprod.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000b01c5d269$b3c30a30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <435284CA.7000104@dadaprod.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:07:44 +0000 (UTC) It's only elitist if you've bought into the idea that the worth of a thing is measured primarily by its monetary value. One can describe something as "profitable" or "non-profitable" in reference to its economic measure without touching at all on any artistic merit the thing may, or may not have. If you're getting upset because someone says you're not a "professional" musician, then it's probably because you want their approval and you're not happy with the criteria they're using to dole it out. Yes, it's very hard to make a living (of any sort) from music, but using "professional" to mean "likes doing it a whole bunch" is out of line with the way the term is used in regards to virtually all other fields of endeavour. "Professional" is more related to occupational status, not artistic merit. To say that something is of "professional" quality commonly means that it's good enough to have been produced by someone whose livlihood depends on it, regardless of whether the person who created the thing actually does so. TravisH On 10/16/05, sonic steph wrote: > > I guess it is not funny at all, but making a living of music sounds > completely elitist.. As this is only possible if only few people produce > music.. the disc industry make people think that very few people are > really talented, which is obviously wrong, regarded to all the stuff you > can hear on the net, on the metro or wherever you listen to non > commercial music.. so a pro to be pro sounds to me more like a > capitalistic bahaviour than a musical one.. > > bye > > stephane > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 16 17:16:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 010553BF06; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:16:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006b01c5d275$41a276a0$53a2fe91@inap> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: References: <000b01c5d269$b3c30a30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <435284CA.7000104@dadaprod.org> Subject: Re: Defining "pro" Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:15:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:16:58 +0000 (UTC) To me "pro" means high quality hardware that delivers high quality results as opposed to "consumer" hardware which just satisfies consumer needs but does not cover higher demands. Like comparing hi-fi speakers with studio monitors... Stephen. "I´m striving for the mysterious. The obvious doesn´t interest me." (Jon Hassell) "Hoellenengel" -- new album by Stephen Parsick, street date October 1, 2005. Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com WTB: "England´s Hidden Reverse" by David Keenan (Coil, Current93, Nurse With Wound, David Tibet). ----- Original Message ----- From: Travis Hartnett To: Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 7:07 PM Subject: Re: Defining "pro" It's only elitist if you've bought into the idea that the worth of a thing is measured primarily by its monetary value. One can describe something as "profitable" or "non-profitable" in reference to its economic measure without touching at all on any artistic merit the thing may, or may not have. If you're getting upset because someone says you're not a "professional" musician, then it's probably because you want their approval and you're not happy with the criteria they're using to dole it out. Yes, it's very hard to make a living (of any sort) from music, but using "professional" to mean "likes doing it a whole bunch" is out of line with the way the term is used in regards to virtually all other fields of endeavour. "Professional" is more related to occupational status, not artistic merit. To say that something is of "professional" quality commonly means that it's good enough to have been produced by someone whose livlihood depends on it, regardless of whether the person who created the thing actually does so. TravisH On 10/16/05, sonic steph wrote: > > I guess it is not funny at all, but making a living of music sounds > completely elitist.. As this is only possible if only few people produce > music.. the disc industry make people think that very few people are > really talented, which is obviously wrong, regarded to all the stuff you > can hear on the net, on the metro or wherever you listen to non > commercial music.. so a pro to be pro sounds to me more like a > capitalistic bahaviour than a musical one.. > > bye > > stephane > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 16 17:49:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC1053BF0F; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:49:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:50:16 +0200 Message-ID: <001d01c5d27a$11eb6610$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:49:02 +0000 (UTC) The welfare case (or more generally: working as a musician exclusively but deducting an income from sources not directly connected to making music) makes this a little bit more complicated: Ludwig van Beethoven (who received a pension from Duke Waldstein based on his living in Vienna) or Karlheinz Stockhausen and Richard Strau=DF (both married a = rich girl)... Still I understand your point relating to "pro" how your life plan works, as opposed to how good you are, although this gives the pro abbreviation a meaning closer related to "profitable"... Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com]=20 Gesendet: Sonntag, 16. Oktober 2005 18:00 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius > So your definition of pro or non-pro is entirely based on the=20 > economics. Yes! > Which would make somebody living off welfare and at the same time=20 > trying to get somebody interested in their entirely unprofessional art > is a professional, No--the welfare case isn't paying his bills from money derived from music-making activities. In a related case: Vincent van Gogh was never a professional painter. Bryan Beller: no, wasn't a professional musician until recently. Has existed in the semi-pro years since leaving college under my definition. Another related case: Philip Glass drove a taxi and installed kitchen appliances to pay the bills until the early 80's. TravisH On 10/16/05, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > So your definition of pro or non-pro is entirely based on the=20 > economics. Which would make somebody living off welfare and at the=20 > same time trying to get somebody interested in their entirely=20 > unprofessional art is a professional, while somebody like e.g. Bryan=20 > Beller (of Mike Keneally/Beer for Dolphins, Z, Steve Vai,=20 > Mullmuzzler/Jamie LaBrie etc.) isn't (or at least hasn't been until=20 > shortly). > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 16 17:57:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72D8B3BF0B; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:57:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated-Name: TuleRiver X-Transit-System: In case of SPAM please contact abuse@dnsmadeeasy.com From: "CM" To: Subject: RE: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 10:55:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <001d01c5d27a$11eb6610$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Thread-Index: AcXSeeXomAvJ7LU7RFuomUyeOlwfVwAALtdg Message-Id: <20051016175725.33CED8B15D@smtp1.dnsmadeeasy.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:57:27 +0000 (UTC) I think, in the grand scheme of sound, we're ALL amateurs... Cass =20 -----Original Message----- From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de]=20 Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 10:50 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: AW: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to = the Receptor for Mobius The welfare case (or more generally: working as a musician exclusively = but deducting an income from sources not directly connected to making music) makes this a little bit more complicated: Ludwig van Beethoven = (who received a pension from Duke Waldstein based on his living in Vienna) or Karlheinz Stockhausen and Richard Strau=DF (both married a = rich girl)... Still I understand your point relating to "pro" how your life plan = works, as opposed to how good you are, although this gives the pro abbreviation a meaning closer related to "profitable"... Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] Gesendet: Sonntag, 16. Oktober 2005 18:00 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to = the Receptor for Mobius > So your definition of pro or non-pro is entirely based on the=20 > economics. Yes! > Which would make somebody living off welfare and at the same time=20 > trying to get somebody interested in their entirely unprofessional art > is a professional, No--the welfare case isn't paying his bills from money derived from music-making activities. In a related case: Vincent van Gogh was never a professional painter. Bryan Beller: no, wasn't a professional musician until recently. Has existed in the semi-pro years since leaving college under my definition. Another related case: Philip Glass drove a taxi and installed kitchen appliances to pay the bills until the early 80's. TravisH On 10/16/05, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > So your definition of pro or non-pro is entirely based on the=20 > economics. Which would make somebody living off welfare and at the=20 > same time trying to get somebody interested in their entirely=20 > unprofessional art is a professional, while somebody like e.g. Bryan=20 > Beller (of Mike Keneally/Beer for Dolphins, Z, Steve Vai,=20 > Mullmuzzler/Jamie LaBrie etc.) isn't (or at least hasn't been until=20 > shortly). > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 16 18:01:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1961B3BF1A; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 18:01:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Defining "pro" Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:02:14 +0200 Message-ID: <001e01c5d27b$bdb89c50$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <006b01c5d275$41a276a0$53a2fe91@inap> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 18:01:01 +0000 (UTC) So where is the difference between consumer and pro needs? From a judicial standpoint, both consumer and pro products are (in Germany) governed by the same law (GPSG), and actually have stronger requirements for consumer products; this law does treat safety requirements, not any functional aspects. And what is considered pro or consumer is then up to what the manufacturer thinks - making (with regard to your example) a JBL Control 1 pro while a B&W Natilus is a consumer product - making the JBL higher quality... But coming back to the ongoing discussion: pros can often be recognized by using products of lesser quality, because they can't afford the products an amateur with a well-paid day job and no need to make ends meet with his passion could. Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Wavecomputer360 [mailto:wavecomputer360@gmx.de]=20 Gesendet: Sonntag, 16. Oktober 2005 19:16 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Defining "pro" To me "pro" means high quality hardware that delivers high quality results as opposed to "consumer" hardware which just satisfies consumer needs but does not cover higher demands. Like comparing hi-fi speakers with studio monitors... Stephen. "I=B4m striving for the mysterious. The obvious doesn=B4t interest me." = (Jon Hassell) "Hoellenengel" -- new album by Stephen Parsick, street date October 1, 2005. Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com WTB: "England=B4s Hidden Reverse" by David Keenan (Coil, Current93, = Nurse With Wound, David Tibet). ----- Original Message ----- From: Travis Hartnett To: Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 7:07 PM Subject: Re: Defining "pro" It's only elitist if you've bought into the idea that the worth of a thing is measured primarily by its monetary value. One can describe something as "profitable" or "non-profitable" in reference to its economic measure without touching at all on any artistic merit the thing may, or may not have. If you're getting upset because someone says you're not a "professional" musician, then it's probably because you want their approval and you're not happy with the criteria they're using to dole it out. Yes, it's very hard to make a living (of any sort) from music, but using "professional" to mean "likes doing it a whole bunch" is out of line with the way the term is used in regards to virtually all other fields of endeavour. "Professional" is more related to occupational status, not artistic merit. To say that something is of "professional" quality commonly means that it's good enough to have been produced by someone whose livlihood depends on it, regardless of whether the person who created the thing actually does so. TravisH On 10/16/05, sonic steph wrote: > > I guess it is not funny at all, but making a living of music sounds=20 > completely elitist.. As this is only possible if only few people=20 > produce music.. the disc industry make people think that very few=20 > people are really talented, which is obviously wrong, regarded to all=20 > the stuff you can hear on the net, on the metro or wherever you listen > to non commercial music.. so a pro to be pro sounds to me more like a=20 > capitalistic bahaviour than a musical one.. > > bye > > stephane > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 16 19:15:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41AAF3BF1B; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:15:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 12:15:52 -0700 Subject: Re: Defining "pro" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <44BC822C-3E79-11DA-A802-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:15:55 +0000 (UTC) On Sunday, October 16, 2005, at 09:22 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi, > > I completely agree with Travis' definition of "pro". A funny > definition of amateur is one who calls himself "pro" even though he > isn't able to make a living of his music. > > Well, other than the 8 hours a week I work in a record store, I am currently making my living playing music, mostly from gigging, my band plays around 100 gigs a year, but a little extra from doing occasional production work, and a share in CD sales from our independently-released CDs, we've sold about 2000 discs in the last 3 years. I guess I turned "pro" a little over 2 years ago when almost simultaneously, I lost my job writing software for a publishing company and my band went on the road for our first extended tour. And, the funny thing about being "pro" is, I can't afford any "pro" gear. All the cool "pro" gear I own was stuff I was able to buy while being an "amateur" with a relatively lucrative day gig. My 10 year-old Trace Elliott amplifier, definitely a "pro" piece of gear is currently in it's death throes, and I can't afford to repair or replace it. The pitch-bend stick on my Nord Lead hasn't worked for about 8 months and I can't afford to repair it. Hell, I broke a string on my bass at one of our gigs a few weeks ago, and i can't even afford a replacement set of strings. It doesn't help that I absolutely love Thomastik/Infeld strings, they are an integral part of my sound, but being "pro", they aren't cheap. The last piece of gear I bought was made by Behringer, a totally "pro" company (I say this with dripping sarcasm), and it took several months to be able to afford that. I'm now saving for new road cases because we've been offered some shows that we'll be flying to in the next few months. If we're lucky, these gigs will pay for the road cases after expenses. In our travels, we've run into a number of bands on our circuit, which I lovingly call the "Colorado to West Coast hippy jamband ski bum extreme sports college town" circuit, who live entirely on their tour buses, and scrounge for places to crash while they're not on the road. A lot of these are bands you probably have heard of, maybe even seen live. At least I can still afford to have a place to live. For now... If we're really lucky, we might get signed to a Major Label Record Deal, and that would be the answer to all of our financial woes, right? Oh, wait, read http://www.negativland.com/albini.html for a good reality jolt. I don't mean to sound too whiny about all of this, I'm honored and amazed that we get to play the music we do, which is not exactly commercial, as much as we do, for as many people as we do. We've had some amazing experiences. I just wanted to offer one perspective on the realities of being a "pro" musician. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 16 19:53:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 591E63BF26; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:53:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00ad01c5d28b$14ca0c40$53a2fe91@inap> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: References: <001e01c5d27b$bdb89c50$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Subject: Re: Defining "pro" Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:48:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:53:11 +0000 (UTC) Hm, the simplest example I could think of would be a cheapo Chinese Stratocaster copy and a handmade Warr TSG or something. One is made with the idea in mind to deliver a cheap product which can be made and sold in huge numbers, hence hardware and components aren´t highest quality but are clearly used with retail price in mind. The other product is manufactured from selected materials, made to custom order and open for any kind of custom ideas. It is made in small numbers because due to its price there´s no huge potential market. In the case of JBL Control One and B&W Nautilus... well, I think the Nautilus really is a consumer product which clearly has some kind of lifestyle aspects to it. The C1 is also a consumer product which meets professional demands (like old Cantons from the 70s do, too). Same thing applies for the Yamaha NS-10 or the Auratones, while we´re dealing with speakers. I would consider something like the Yamaha CS80 as a pro-quality instrument. Even after almost 30 years it still produces a sound and offers a user interface which I´d consider unsurpassed while other semi-pro machines of the same era (or later) like the Korg Polysix or Roland Juno 60 clearly show that they were a compromise between price and playability, features and hardware. OF course, there were more "professional" albums produced on these cheapo instruments than on a CS80 but to me it´s a question of the UI quality, the layout and the control surface, coupled with sound and performance. In the end, "pro" is what you make of it. But the better the quality the easier it will be to produce quality (and satisfying results). Stephen "I´m striving for the mysterious. The obvious doesn´t interest me." (Jon Hassell) "Hoellenengel" -- new album by Stephen Parsick, street date October 1, 2005. Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com WTB: "England´s Hidden Reverse" by David Keenan (Coil, Current93, Nurse With Wound, David Tibet). ----- Original Message ----- From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill To: Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 8:02 PM Subject: AW: Defining "pro" So where is the difference between consumer and pro needs? From a judicial standpoint, both consumer and pro products are (in Germany) governed by the same law (GPSG), and actually have stronger requirements for consumer products; this law does treat safety requirements, not any functional aspects. And what is considered pro or consumer is then up to what the manufacturer thinks - making (with regard to your example) a JBL Control 1 pro while a B&W Natilus is a consumer product - making the JBL higher quality... But coming back to the ongoing discussion: pros can often be recognized by using products of lesser quality, because they can't afford the products an amateur with a well-paid day job and no need to make ends meet with his passion could. Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Wavecomputer360 [mailto:wavecomputer360@gmx.de] Gesendet: Sonntag, 16. Oktober 2005 19:16 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Defining "pro" To me "pro" means high quality hardware that delivers high quality results as opposed to "consumer" hardware which just satisfies consumer needs but does not cover higher demands. Like comparing hi-fi speakers with studio monitors... Stephen. "I´m striving for the mysterious. The obvious doesn´t interest me." (Jon Hassell) "Hoellenengel" -- new album by Stephen Parsick, street date October 1, 2005. Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com WTB: "England´s Hidden Reverse" by David Keenan (Coil, Current93, Nurse With Wound, David Tibet). ----- Original Message ----- From: Travis Hartnett To: Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 7:07 PM Subject: Re: Defining "pro" It's only elitist if you've bought into the idea that the worth of a thing is measured primarily by its monetary value. One can describe something as "profitable" or "non-profitable" in reference to its economic measure without touching at all on any artistic merit the thing may, or may not have. If you're getting upset because someone says you're not a "professional" musician, then it's probably because you want their approval and you're not happy with the criteria they're using to dole it out. Yes, it's very hard to make a living (of any sort) from music, but using "professional" to mean "likes doing it a whole bunch" is out of line with the way the term is used in regards to virtually all other fields of endeavour. "Professional" is more related to occupational status, not artistic merit. To say that something is of "professional" quality commonly means that it's good enough to have been produced by someone whose livlihood depends on it, regardless of whether the person who created the thing actually does so. TravisH On 10/16/05, sonic steph wrote: > > I guess it is not funny at all, but making a living of music sounds > completely elitist.. As this is only possible if only few people > produce music.. the disc industry make people think that very few > people are really talented, which is obviously wrong, regarded to all > the stuff you can hear on the net, on the metro or wherever you listen > to non commercial music.. so a pro to be pro sounds to me more like a > capitalistic bahaviour than a musical one.. > > bye > > stephane > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 16 20:00:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF6193BF32; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:00:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <44BC822C-3E79-11DA-A802-000A95A5D158@peak.org> References: <44BC822C-3E79-11DA-A802-000A95A5D158@peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <655BE3AE-D951-4592-B528-6E1BFBC37F30@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Defining "pro" Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 22:00:32 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:00:36 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 16, 2005, at 21:15, David Trenkel wrote: > And, the funny thing about being "pro" is, I can't afford any "pro" > gear. 8< 8< 8< 8<.... Interesting post. I too have been pro for periods, but I have always struggled to get back into the amateur zone; mostly because I love the music and to play as a life experiment compared to playing as part of someone's marketing plan. I've been hired for studio sessions and once happened to play on hit record, which led to getting hired for the touring band backing up that artist etc etc. Another time me and companion signed up with a major label, made an album and lots of singles as well as a couple of months' global touring. Clever marketing hype resulted in foreign licensing deals and it al spun off business-wise even with no record sales yet (I still wonder who the hell lost all the money that others gained by document ;-). It never got as bad as Albini's essay (a MUST-READ!) but what I missed most in the Corporate Rock Thing Sphere was actually - getting my kicks out of music. I think this whole debate about pro or not pro is a bit too biased for having any fair chance getting to some sort of clue. People are different in music as everywhere; some just enjoy doing the thing their own way while others might think that the option of receiving positive attention justifies doing... well, whatever it takes ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 16 20:22:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F6A03BF35; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:22:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <000b01c5d269$b3c30a30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 13:22:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ken Higgins Subject: Re: Defining "pro" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:19e398854e4e12389f1bc10699aa0b2c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:22:19 +0000 (UTC) Hi, As a mostly-lurker here, I defer to just about everyone's greater musical experience on this list. Per is one whose postings I read regularly (here and on the LUG list), as his posts are usually quite enlightened. But now we're on dangerous ground. I'd like to respectfully disagree with Per and Travis. In my book, it's a matter of dedication, focus, intent and sustained follow-through (i.e. over years) that defines a Pro. Travis said, > "Turning pro" usually means "I've quit my day job". > If you've got a W-2 with something other than "musician" > listed on it, you're semi-pro. >Hi, > >I completely agree with Travis' definition of "pro". A funny >definition of amateur is one who calls himself "pro" even though he >isn't able to make a living of his music. > >Per Hmm. That sounds like the definition of a "commercially successful" musician. Not a MUSICALLY successful musician. I detest a large majority of 'pop music'. Much of the FM dial is a wasteland (cliche, but true). Ranier wrote: > Still I understand your point relating to "pro" how your life plan > works, as opposed to how good you are, although this gives the pro > abbreviation a meaning closer related to "profitable"... Exactly. The 'market' does not inherently reward the worthy. Some of my favorite musicians still have a 'day job' to make ends meet. Even though two of them have multiple CDs out, and not released on their own personal/indy label, either. Their music just isn't what the big labels are looking for. And it doesn't sell for wedding or bars, either. Which is why I have to take Per to task for his, "even though he isn't able to make a living of his music", because these guys are _trying_ as hard as they can. They are talented. And they're smart self-promoters, too. It's more accurate to say that a majority of the listening market isn't "able to appreciate them". To me, a Professional Musician is one who is 'walking the talk' and _truly attempting_ to make his living with his music. If he/she is dedicated to their craft and trying to 'make it', and is staying true to their inner musical voice/intent/vision, then they are a Pro. OTOH, if they are a dabbler or music is simply a glorified hobby, THEN they are obviously not a Pro. And I've seen some really crappy 'artists' who were $$$ successful. Pro? I don't think so. Once again, my $0.02 Ken P.S. How good or expensive their equipment is (or is not) has very little to do with their results, either. I do agree with many of the comments on how to distinguish between pro quality hardware, and semi-pro hardware that were in this thread. But haven't we all seen someone do an incredible set with a crappy guitar and a DL-4? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 16 20:24:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9980D3BF3D; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:24:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,220,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="1696438200:sNHT20176132" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <655BE3AE-D951-4592-B528-6E1BFBC37F30@boysen.se> References: <44BC822C-3E79-11DA-A802-000A95A5D158@peak.org> <655BE3AE-D951-4592-B528-6E1BFBC37F30@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5FE6E831-9E54-4DAF-8DC3-5F29C43C6141@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: Defining "pro" Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:23:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 20:24:07 +0000 (UTC) I don't know about defining "professional" -- classically, a "professional" is, after all, one who professes -- and I think this debate might be pointless. Be that as it may (I could be wrong, after all), I'd like to say two things about the use of the word. In one case, it's a marketing tool to mark products for a certain audience, "pros," and to market products for another audience, pro-wannabes. Almost everything in a Musician's Friend catalog is "pro," the only other possible label is "entry-level," and even those usually are said to have "pro features at a remarkably reasonable price." So, for the most part, in the marketing of equipment, "pro" is for suckers. In the other case, "professional" is used to make a distinction between folks. It is, apparently, different than "good" or "serious," and it comes out when "good" or "serious" doesn't exclude the right people. But it isn't the simple "makes a living at" that Travis offered; I think you have to look at when and how it comes up. It seems to me it usually distinguishes "people whose opinion is valued" from "people whose opinions aren't" in everyday use. It is used as a way to discredit other points of view: "As a professional, I..." And you get membership in the class by commercial success (i.e., industry approval), so that people in the industry can use the category "professional" to limit other than their "official" points of view. I may be wrong about all that! But, what I'm really saying is what the word officially means is quite beside the point. It is insulting because of how it is used, and what it does. "Expert" would be a much less loaded word, for example. So says the "professional" academic. "Amateur," I will remind you, means "for the love of." Or it used to. Now it means, "doesn't get paid enough to qualify as a 'real' participant." On Oct 16, 2005, at 3:00 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Oct 16, 2005, at 21:15, David Trenkel wrote: > > >> And, the funny thing about being "pro" is, I can't afford any >> "pro" gear. 8< 8< 8< 8<.... >> > > Interesting post. I too have been pro for periods, but I have > always struggled to get back into the amateur zone; mostly because > I love the music and to play as a life experiment compared to > playing as part of someone's marketing plan. I've been hired for > studio sessions and once happened to play on hit record, which led > to getting hired for the touring band backing up that artist etc > etc. Another time me and companion signed up with a major label, > made an album and lots of singles as well as a couple of months' > global touring. Clever marketing hype resulted in foreign licensing > deals and it al spun off business-wise even with no record sales > yet (I still wonder who the hell lost all the money that others > gained by document ;-). It never got as bad as Albini's essay (a > MUST-READ!) but what I missed most in the Corporate Rock Thing > Sphere was actually - getting my kicks out of music. I think this > whole debate about pro or not pro is a bit too biased for having > any fair chance getting to some sort of clue. People are different > in music as everywhere; some just enjoy doing the thing their own > way while others might think that the option of receiving positive > attention justifies doing... well, whatever it takes ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 16 21:03:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD7963BF3C; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:03:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Defining "pro" Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:03:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcXSj06NDZgf1lrlSumlCk/rcMY1RgAAkFzA Message-ID: <0MKoyl-1ERFfX2MiV-0005zW@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:03:49 +0000 (UTC) I define pro, in any type of 'arts', is someone who makes a commitment to doing all that is needed to make a living through their art. Any pro will tell you, playing music for a living is about 5% of your time playing. The rest is on the phone, networking, promoting, designing websites, meeting people in your town who might hire you, attending city council meetings encouraging them to spend more on the arts, etc... Not everyone is ok with such a lifestyle change though, and they have made the choice that such things like a steady job, a family, a few SUVs, health insurance and a big house are the important things to them. I know lots of semi-pro's who are amazing musicians, certainly better than some pros I know. For them, a professional musician's life is not for them I teach guitar, to about 50-60 students a week, and try to play lots of solo looping gigs for city money, or galleries, etc... I have to have a van to cart my stuff, and I had to buy it so I didn't have a car payment...it is older, so insurance is low. Where I live is nice, but small, so rent isn't bad. I don't have kids, or an expensive and non-supportive wife/girlfriend. Sad, but these choices directly affect whether or not musicians (at least in America) can make music for a living. I am proud to call myself a 'pro musician' when people ask. I don't know what it is like in other countries, but funny thing when you say this to some people in America- they come back with...'at least you do what you love'. At least? Is there anything else? Am I supposed to feel bad/envious? I notice though, with these great musicians I know who are not pros, when someone asks what they do, they love to say 'I am a doctor/gym teacher/insurance agent/secretary/whatever', and would *never* in a social situation define themselves as a musician. Funny, though, around other musicians they wouldn't hesitate to say they are musicians. Stigma, perhaps? It is sometimes hard to fight that musicians can be regarded as jobless, unreliable bums. Another topic, but Gear magazines push expensive guitars and other instruments, and no pro I know has the latest and greatest stuff. I don't, and never have, defined a pro by his/her gear, although magazines and Musician's Friend want you to think otherwise. Just like Cosmo's advertisers want to make women think, if they buy these clothes, they will look like the models in the picture. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > Hi, > But now we're on dangerous ground. I'd like to respectfully > disagree with Per and Travis. > > In my book, it's a matter of dedication, focus, intent and > sustained follow-through (i.e. over years) that defines a Pro. > > Travis said, > > "Turning pro" usually means "I've quit my day job". > > If you've got a W-2 with something other than "musician" > > listed on it, you're semi-pro. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 16 21:25:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 858943BF4F; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:25:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: Defining "pro" Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:26:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <0MKoyl-1ERFfX2MiV-0005zW@mrelay.perfora.net> Thread-Index: AcXSj06NDZgf1lrlSumlCk/rcMY1RgAAkFzAAAFeJDA= Message-Id: <20051016212546.787803BF42@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:25:48 +0000 (UTC) I fit into the semi-pro (I think) category because I draw from both engineering and musician gigs to make a living. I say 'I think' for the following reasons... - my day job is a software contractor for a company that makes home audio/video gear and I love it - my role as musician and studio engineer alone earns me enough to make a living - I do both because I can (both opportunities were made available to me) So if I make enough as a musician to cover all of my short and long term expenses and I still choose to keep my day job, does that make me semi-pro? -----Original Message----- From: hazard factor [mailto:artists@hazardfactor.com] Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 5:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Defining "pro" I define pro, in any type of 'arts', is someone who makes a commitment to doing all that is needed to make a living through their art. Any pro will tell you, playing music for a living is about 5% of your time playing. The rest is on the phone, networking, promoting, designing websites, meeting people in your town who might hire you, attending city council meetings encouraging them to spend more on the arts, etc... Not everyone is ok with such a lifestyle change though, and they have made the choice that such things like a steady job, a family, a few SUVs, health insurance and a big house are the important things to them. I know lots of semi-pro's who are amazing musicians, certainly better than some pros I know. For them, a professional musician's life is not for them I teach guitar, to about 50-60 students a week, and try to play lots of solo looping gigs for city money, or galleries, etc... I have to have a van to cart my stuff, and I had to buy it so I didn't have a car payment...it is older, so insurance is low. Where I live is nice, but small, so rent isn't bad. I don't have kids, or an expensive and non-supportive wife/girlfriend. Sad, but these choices directly affect whether or not musicians (at least in America) can make music for a living. I am proud to call myself a 'pro musician' when people ask. I don't know what it is like in other countries, but funny thing when you say this to some people in America- they come back with...'at least you do what you love'. At least? Is there anything else? Am I supposed to feel bad/envious? I notice though, with these great musicians I know who are not pros, when someone asks what they do, they love to say 'I am a doctor/gym teacher/insurance agent/secretary/whatever', and would *never* in a social situation define themselves as a musician. Funny, though, around other musicians they wouldn't hesitate to say they are musicians. Stigma, perhaps? It is sometimes hard to fight that musicians can be regarded as jobless, unreliable bums. Another topic, but Gear magazines push expensive guitars and other instruments, and no pro I know has the latest and greatest stuff. I don't, and never have, defined a pro by his/her gear, although magazines and Musician's Friend want you to think otherwise. Just like Cosmo's advertisers want to make women think, if they buy these clothes, they will look like the models in the picture. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > Hi, > But now we're on dangerous ground. I'd like to respectfully > disagree with Per and Travis. > > In my book, it's a matter of dedication, focus, intent and > sustained follow-through (i.e. over years) that defines a Pro. > > Travis said, > > "Turning pro" usually means "I've quit my day job". > > If you've got a W-2 with something other than "musician" > > listed on it, you're semi-pro. > From DianeFritz@iluvscrapinasnap.com Sun Oct 16 21:44:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from p54b6d11c.dip.t-dialin.net (p54B6D11C.dip.t-dialin.net [84.182.209.28]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 222243BF24 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:44:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 21.150.4.89 by 84.182.209.28; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:10:14 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Amanda Wolff" Reply-To: "Amanda Wolff" To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: Windows XP & Office XP Software Starting at $29 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 05:17:14 +0600 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--ncj7KZW5d809twh" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal ----ncj7KZW5d809twh Content-Type: text/html; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----ncj7KZW5d809twh-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 16 21:51:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 445633BF2F; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:51:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dzOUSmkG/syjGJnmj3U92kiVJitgXKQcRXepYDkAP4FQTqgKhzast79fkrm9bxOR7L2nG1dQZMrHYT90RzDVVpipnP039Ur0ONVtCYLcrh5N3lxxKZGfZSTwvYU7OqCqnlJMJ7nsfsJsur44tTGb9BVlq4TUsXUvr5gnuprcd08= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:51:12 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Defining "pro" In-Reply-To: <5FE6E831-9E54-4DAF-8DC3-5F29C43C6141@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <44BC822C-3E79-11DA-A802-000A95A5D158@peak.org> <655BE3AE-D951-4592-B528-6E1BFBC37F30@boysen.se> <5FE6E831-9E54-4DAF-8DC3-5F29C43C6141@charter.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:51:14 +0000 (UTC) No, a "professor" is one who professes.... A "professional" [occupation] is someone who engages in that occupation to earn a living. The term "pro" in regards to gear has been so widely used it's lost most of its meaning. If we regard gear as tools, then professional tools would be those that are constructed to standards and precisions deemed necessary by those who depend on them for a living, i.e. professionals. I'm reminded of the distinction between an "Oscar-caliber performance" and an "Oscar-winning performance". However, in the end, there's only one definition for an "Oscar winner". TravisH On 10/16/05, Kelly Coyle wrote: > I don't know about defining "professional" -- classically, a > "professional" is, after all, one who professes -- and I think this > debate might be pointless. Be that as it may (I could be wrong, after > all), I'd like to say two things about the use of the word. In one > case, it's a marketing tool to mark products for a certain audience, > "pros," and to market products for another audience, pro-wannabes. > Almost everything in a Musician's Friend catalog is "pro," the only > other possible label is "entry-level," and even those usually are > said to have "pro features at a remarkably reasonable price." So, for > the most part, in the marketing of equipment, "pro" is for suckers. > > In the other case, "professional" is used to make a distinction > between folks. It is, apparently, different than "good" or "serious," > and it comes out when "good" or "serious" doesn't exclude the right > people. But it isn't the simple "makes a living at" that Travis > offered; I think you have to look at when and how it comes up. It > seems to me it usually distinguishes "people whose opinion is valued" > from "people whose opinions aren't" in everyday use. It is used as a > way to discredit other points of view: "As a professional, I..." And > you get membership in the class by commercial success (i.e., industry > approval), so that people in the industry can use the category > "professional" to limit other than their "official" points of view. I > may be wrong about all that! But, what I'm really saying is what the > word officially means is quite beside the point. It is insulting > because of how it is used, and what it does. "Expert" would be a much > less loaded word, for example. > > So says the "professional" academic. > > "Amateur," I will remind you, means "for the love of." Or it used to. > Now it means, "doesn't get paid enough to qualify as a 'real' > participant." > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 16 21:59:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3061D3BF24; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:59:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kNHmhJB3hV378nvQYDSa2a8AzyG29d6Q1ovUkRDCaUUFVWtUY2HmwNfWSYpK2na3KyT81zjdIsJrPJRSMrKEa/0CSIJp+duesihD1pgh+V3hkF3oitz3/qlBLpTig/6g2GRYZRfFQbcUplD+8wg8ZpfdDYpqn1xSfW/1SG9y0O4= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:58:58 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Defining "pro" In-Reply-To: <20051016212546.787803BF42@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <0MKoyl-1ERFfX2MiV-0005zW@mrelay.perfora.net> <20051016212546.787803BF42@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:59:00 +0000 (UTC) Maybe--you sound like a grey area case if you can actually cover your long term expenses soley from music-related income. For most people, the disintinction is much less ambigous: surviving off their music income would be fiscally unfeasible for more than a year, at most. Recall the case of Tal Farlow (jazz guitar legend), who chose to spend most of his life as a professional sign-painter, gigging close to home as he felt the need. TravisH On 10/16/05, Bill Edmondson wrote: > So if I make enough as a musician to cover all of my short and long term > expenses and I still choose to keep my day job, does that make me semi-pr= o? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 16 22:28:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BA313BF50; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 22:28:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:29:12 -0700 From: Bob Amstadt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: A little longer than I originally expected, but... Message-ID: <7C26ABB2A1C0FF98C35AAC2F@[192.168.1.110]> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <9iNEoB.A.Y_G.wPtUDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 22:28:00 +0000 (UTC) Well, I was premature announcing this box last spring, but it is finally shaping up. Coming to NAMM this January: http://www.looperlative.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 16 22:36:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E3123BF39; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 22:36:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <7C26ABB2A1C0FF98C35AAC2F@[192.168.1.110]> References: <7C26ABB2A1C0FF98C35AAC2F@[192.168.1.110]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <92B7F6EE-D81A-43DD-9408-537C35D27E0D@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: A little longer than I originally expected, but... Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 00:36:15 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 22:36:20 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 17, 2005, at 0:29, Bob Amstadt wrote: > Well, I was premature announcing this box last spring, but it is > finally shaping up. Coming to NAMM this January: http:// > www.looperlative.com That's indeed very interesting! Is a manual available? Drooling for details... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 16 22:39:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 087EF3BF61; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 22:39:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.34) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 16 Oct 2005 22:39:05 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:39:05 -0500 Subject: Re: A little longer than I originally expected, but... X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20051016223905.BBB9CC612E@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 22:39:08 +0000 (UTC) Hey There- Went to your link and couldn't really find any info on what this thing can = do. Where can I find a features list?=20 Joe Rut ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Amstadt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: A little longer than I originally expected, but... Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:29:12 -0700 >=20 > Well, I was premature announcing this box last spring, but it is=20 > finally shaping up. Coming to NAMM this January:=20 > http://www.looperlative.com --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 16 22:47:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B368A3BF68; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 22:47:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <7C26ABB2A1C0FF98C35AAC2F@[192.168.1.110]> References: <7C26ABB2A1C0FF98C35AAC2F@[192.168.1.110]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <60634390-913F-41D3-93DC-5B0B9819FBE7@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: A little longer than I originally expected, but... Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:44:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 22:47:24 +0000 (UTC) > Well, I was premature announcing this box last spring, but it is > finally shaping up. Coming to NAMM this January: http:// > www.looperlative.com Very nice looking indeed... You say it's network enabled? Does that mean it's firewire enabled then? I'm definitely looking forward to reading more details. Thank you, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 16 23:17:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8683C3BF45; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 23:17:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,220,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="133236251:sNHT255962778" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20051016161622.01103058@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 16:17:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: A little longer than I originally expected, but... In-Reply-To: <60634390-913F-41D3-93DC-5B0B9819FBE7@midway.uchicago.edu> References: <7C26ABB2A1C0FF98C35AAC2F@[192.168.1.110]> <7C26ABB2A1C0FF98C35AAC2F@[192.168.1.110]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <554J9D.A.6f.89tUDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 23:17:16 +0000 (UTC) or Ethernet... At 2005.10.16 03:44 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: >>Well, I was premature announcing this box last spring, but it is >>finally shaping up. Coming to NAMM this January: http:// >>www.looperlative.com > > >Very nice looking indeed... > >You say it's network enabled? Does that mean it's firewire enabled >then? I'm definitely looking forward to reading more details. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 00:23:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E75B3BEF5; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 00:23:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,220,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="133283561:sNHT32189900" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20051016172018.011ad828@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:22:50 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: A little longer than I originally expected, but... In-Reply-To: <60634390-913F-41D3-93DC-5B0B9819FBE7@midway.uchicago.edu> References: <7C26ABB2A1C0FF98C35AAC2F@[192.168.1.110]> <7C26ABB2A1C0FF98C35AAC2F@[192.168.1.110]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 00:23:00 +0000 (UTC) the image of the device is available in a larger resolution if you break it out of its html confines: http://www.looperlative.com/index_html_59d7f05d.jpg At 2005.10.16 03:44 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: >>Well, I was premature announcing this box last spring, but it is >>finally shaping up. Coming to NAMM this January: http:// >>www.looperlative.com > > >Very nice looking indeed... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 03:49:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C94143BEF0; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 03:49:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <014c01c5d2cd$d278ade0$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new addition) Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:49:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0149_01C5D29B.86293AE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 350, in=142677, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 03:49:54 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0149_01C5D29B.86293AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One more performance added to the list, Herb Heinz & Tim Thompson...very = cool looping software and demonstration from these guys. I really = enjoyed this set.=20 Herb/Tim, can you share you link to the program? Bernhard, can you add a section on the Y2K5 page with these recordings? = Kim, how about on the LD website? Kris *************************************************************************= *************** Herb Heinz & Tim Thompson http://nosuchmedia.com/audio/hoopla_y2k5.mp3 Bernhard Wagner Part One - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987792.html Part Two (Verbal Intro) - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/991792.html Part Two - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/991793.html Part Three - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987794.html Part Four (with Max Valentino) - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987795.html Max Valentino Part One (with Bernhard Wagner) - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/992129.html Ted Killian Rick's Intro and Ted Warming Up - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987388.html Part One - Guitar Dyslexia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985656.html Part Two - Guitar Dysphasia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985657.html Part Three - Guitar Dyspasia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/988212.html Greg Powers http://box.net/public/khartung/files/976586.html Ghost 7 http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975372.html Krispen Hartung http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html ------=_NextPart_000_0149_01C5D29B.86293AE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    One more performance added to the list, = Herb Heinz=20 & Tim Thompson...very cool looping software and demonstration from = these=20 guys.  I really enjoyed this set.
     
    Herb/Tim, can you share you link to the = program?
     
    Bernhard, can you add a section on the = Y2K5 page=20 with these recordings? Kim, how about on the LD website?
     
    Kris
     
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    Herb Heinz & Tim=20 Thompson
     
     
    Bernhard Wagner
     
    Part Four (with Max Valentino) - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987795.html
     
    Max Valentino
     
    Part One (with Bernhard Wagner) = - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/992129.html
     
    Ted Killian
     
    Rick's Intro and Ted Warming Up - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987388.html
    Part Three - Guitar Dyspasia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/988212.html=
     
    Greg = Powers
     
    Ghost 7
     
    Krispen = Hartung
    http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html
     
    ------=_NextPart_000_0149_01C5D29B.86293AE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 03:58:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C37D33BEF8; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 03:58:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00c101c5d2cf$5af1b3a0$0200a8c0@bigtony> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <435284CA.7000104@dadaprod.org> Subject: Re: Defining "pro" Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 23:56:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 03:58:07 +0000 (UTC) Someone once told me... "A professional does for money what an amateur does for the love of it." Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "sonic steph" To: Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 12:50 PM Subject: Re: Defining "pro" > Per Boysen a écrit : > > > Hi, > > > > I completely agree with Travis' definition of "pro". A funny > > definition of amateur is one who calls himself "pro" even though he > > isn't able to make a living of his music. > > I guess it is not funny at all, but making a living of music sounds > completely elitist.. As this is only possible if only few people produce > music.. the disc industry make people think that very few people are > really talented, which is obviously wrong, regarded to all the stuff you > can hear on the net, on the metro or wherever you listen to non > commercial music.. so a pro to be pro sounds to me more like a > capitalistic bahaviour than a musical one.. > > bye > > stephane > > -- > > ___________________________________________________________ > Musique, vidéo, radio indépendante (boycottez les majors!) > ----------------------- > http://www.dadaprod.org > ___________________________________________________________ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 04:12:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6AA1B3BEFA; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 04:12:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20051016204558.04824720@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:12:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius In-Reply-To: <43511950.4000200@sun.com> References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <4350714C.6040404@sun.com> <43511950.4000200@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 04:12:43 +0000 (UTC) At 07:59 AM 10/15/2005, Jeff Larson wrote: >Travis Hartnett wrote: > > Nah--hard drives aren't designed to last more than a few years, the > > motherboard and power supply batteries likewise. > >Hard drive, debatable. Motherboard, nonsense. Batteries, yes. >Power cord, no. Sorry, that is not correct. A motherboard designed today is not designed to last 10 years. The probability is very low that it would last that long. On the other hand, a motherboard from 10 years ago will quite likely still work fine today. As the semiconductor industry and the computer industry have commoditized, understanding of component reliability has become very, very good. We know quite well how to estimate the lifetime of a pc motherboard given the expected operating conditions and components used. We know exactly how much the number of years of average lifetime will cost us in terms of performance and price and customer reaction, and we make that calculation for each product. In the face of unrelenting competition, reliability and average lifetime has gradually been traded for performance and price. Acceptable lifetime standards have dropped considerably from what they were 10 years ago. I doubt that anybody in the computer industry today would ship a part with an MTBF of 10 years. They would say, "hey we can squeeze more performance out of that!" (or cost) And if you think spending $4000 on a laptop changes this equation, all I have to say to you is, "Thanks!" kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 04:18:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EBD53BEF3; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 04:18:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 21:18:03 -0800 Subject: Re: Defining "pro" From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00c101c5d2cf$5af1b3a0$0200a8c0@bigtony> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 04:18:29 +0000 (UTC) i think i saved this from the loopersdelight archive-but dont have the poster's name: quote..."'Amateur' tradionally meant "one who does something for the love o= f it" (from the Latin amator-amatus:lover-to love) as opposed to the secular meaning of 'professional' as "one who does something for gain." the term "professional" has become so debased that whenever i see a product named w/ the prefix "pro" i automatically assume it is inferior."...unquote dont know who wrote it, but its cool w/ me. s > Someone once told me... >=20 > "A professional does for money what an amateur does for the love of it." >=20 > Tony >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sonic steph" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 12:50 PM > Subject: Re: Defining "pro" >=20 >=20 >> Per Boysen a =E9crit : >>=20 >>> Hi, >>>=20 >>> I completely agree with Travis' definition of "pro". A funny >>> definition of amateur is one who calls himself "pro" even though he >>> isn't able to make a living of his music. >>=20 >> I guess it is not funny at all, but making a living of music sounds >> completely elitist.. As this is only possible if only few people produce >> music.. the disc industry make people think that very few people are >> really talented, which is obviously wrong, regarded to all the stuff you >> can hear on the net, on the metro or wherever you listen to non >> commercial music.. so a pro to be pro sounds to me more like a >> capitalistic bahaviour than a musical one.. >>=20 >> bye >>=20 >> stephane >>=20 >> --=20 >>=20 >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Musique, vid=E9o, radio ind=E9pendante (boycottez les majors!) >> ----------------------- >> http://www.dadaprod.org >> ___________________________________________________________ >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 05:21:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 014783BEF7; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 05:21:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" Subject: The PiNG presents Planet Of The Loops Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 01:23:59 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000301c5d2da$fa9b1c60$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 05:21:09 +0000 (UTC) THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday October 18th - Planet Of The Loops Andrew Aldridge's floating ensemble of loopers lands at Hacienda for a night of improvisations based around various "live-looping" devices and creative musical spirits. This show features a striking combination of old-school and new-school looping. James Bailey (Six Heads/Odradek) will be bringing a very vintage looping setup built from old portable tape recorders as he performs on various physical objects from his bag-of-tricks. Jamie Todd (URM/dreamSTATE) will take a very modern approach as he plays an array of virtual synthesizers through long-looping devices he's designed in SynthEdit - all within his laptop computer. The PiNG respectfully requests that no old-school vs new-school looping fights break out within the audience. Take it outside people. Peace... http://www.geocities.com/energymadeaudible/planet.html Between Sets CD - "one cello x 16" by Zo=EB Keating Cellist Zo=EB Keating gets loopy with the first release in her ongoing project in which she layers the natural sound of the cello to create rhythmically dense musical structures. People who enjoyed Zo=EB's solo looping set at the PiNG last August may wish to catch her performing with "cello-rock" trio Rasputina at the Mod Club Theatre on Thursday October 27th. http://www.zoekeating.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday October 25th - Mara's Torment and AKUMU http://www.marastorment.com http://www.spiderrecords.com/akumu . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ||: IN THE LOOP :|| by Luna Tek THE AMBiENT PiNG hosted two top-notch concerts on October 11, 2005: multimedia artist Richard Crow from the UK (performing in association with the SOUNDplay festival) and NAW (aka Neil Wiernik) from Toronto.=20 Richard Crow began the evening with a set titled "phantom music - an aural hallucination". The SOUNDplay artist juxtaposed glitch with grainy sonic images, mesmerizing the audience with his carefully sculpted soundscapes.=20 NAW followed with an exquisite set of ambient arrangements. Reverberating into sensual crests of lyricism, NAW explored distant realms until, finally, reaching a crescendo of rising choirs. For more info: http://www.elision.org.au/collaborators/crow.html=20 http://www.naw.phoniq.net http://www.noisefactoryrecords.com/naw.htm Luna Tek - luna@theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "PiNG AMBiENCE 3: STRiNG THiNGS" by Various Artists THE AMBiENT PiNG has gained a lot of attention over the last six years, a reputation as a nurturing and supportive environment where like-minded artists can interact and develop their craft. And while it originally started as a local community, it's quickly grown into a larger entity, with support and interaction from a variety of North American cities and around the world. Truly it's become a significant global presence in the ambient/electronic music scene. And now with the release of "PiNG AMBiENCE 3: STRiNG THiNGS", THE AMBiENT PiNG is poised to make an even greater impact. The third compilation issued by the PiNG, PA3 features a fantastic=20 collection of guitar based work from some of the leading artists in today's ambient scene. The disc begins with Phil Ogison's track "Aftaglidder", a lovely looping work where themes and phrases spiral around each other, floating. It's a wonderful way to start the disc, setting the mood for what's to come. Michael Diamond follows with a piece called "Stellar Drift". I'm not familiar with Diamond's work, but I'm certainly interested in hearing more based on this track. A slow orbiting space-y tune, "Stellar Drift" features sustained notes which ebb and flow, slowly evolving over time, weaving in and through each other in lovely ways. Very impressive! dreamSTATE offers "Clearing", a dark ambient work punctuated by beautiful arpeggio work and effected guitar. What can I say about dreamSTATE that I haven't already said before? They make wonderful music that is both inspired and inspiring, and certainly this track stands with the best of their impressive catalogue. PiNG favourites Sylken submit "Mother Sun", a collaborative piece with guitar from Eric Hopper and synth by Joe G. I've long been a fan of Eric's guitar work, and "Mother Sun" reminds me of why I hold his music in such high regard. Anomalous Disturbances contribute "Languorous Liaisons", a soft and sparse dark ambient track that brings to mind cold nights alone in space with the stars your only companion. Notes blend together, rising and falling throughout the piece, coming to the fore and then drifting away again. A lovely example of the power of minimalism. Diatonis submits the track "Currents", a beautiful drifting work with subtle melodies and notes that hang and bend and flow like lava. There's a shimmering elegance to this track, a lovely quality that makes it one of my favourites on the disc. "Sailing Into Calm Remembrances" by Mark Mahoney returns us to space with a very nice track where steady drone tones weave and flow around each other creating elegant spirals and turns. Very nice work. Matthew Poulakakis of Automatic Fats fame puts forth=20 "Guitar Cloud 3", a drone based piece that swells and builds throughout its length. It shimmers in places, amorphous sounds that take shape as the piece progresses. Very impressive work. "Burned Down" by Matt Borghi employs looping guitar throughout, playing phrases against each other to create an inspired latticework of sound. A truly stunning piece. Cybertarist Paul E. Royes' track "The Universe Within" is a tension filled piece, a track where tones bubble and percolate over a repeated bass form. The sense of movement, displacement, and travel in this piece is almost palpable, a feeling that edges up the spine sending shivers throughout. A fantastic listening experience! "Desolation" by Styrohead is filled with overdriven guitar & oscillating drones, the sound of a thousand suns pulsating in time at the heart of the universe. It's a rare treat to see a track by Styrohead on the comp, a live favourite at the PiNG who has released very little recorded output to date. "Talking Taking" by Ambient-TV offers an inner space track with beautifully crisp and clean guitar playing overtop a steadily building drone. It's an impressive track, one that brings to mind some of David Gilmour's work from early Pink Floyd. Aidan Baker closes the disc with "Pressure Change", a slight and subtle track that captures Aidan's mastery of the improvisational medium and his magical control of the guitar. I could go on for hours about the delicate beauty of this piece, but really I couldn't do it justice. Listen for yourself, you'll know what I mean. Undoubtedly PiNG AMBiENCE 3 offers some of the best artists in today's ambient music scene. With thirteen tracks of guitar-based work that showcase a number of artists who regularly play the PiNG along with assorted PiNG supporters from farther afield, PA3 is truly a testimony to the talent associated with THE AMBiENT PiNG. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com =3D ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 07:44:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A88D63BF02; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 07:44:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051016204558.04824720@loopers-delight.com> References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <4350714C.6040404@sun.com> <43511950.4000200@sun.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20051016204558.04824720@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2C255396-BA07-4DDD-B0A4-FFD646C399BC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:44:44 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 07:44:48 +0000 (UTC) > At 07:59 AM 10/15/2005, Jeff Larson wrote: > >> Travis Hartnett wrote: >> > Nah--hard drives aren't designed to last more than a few years, the >> > motherboard and power supply batteries likewise. >> >> Hard drive, debatable. Motherboard, nonsense. Batteries, yes. >> Power cord, no. >> > On Oct 17, 2005, at 6:12, Kim Flint wrote: > Sorry, that is not correct. A motherboard designed today is not > designed to last 10 years. The probability is very low that it > would last that long. On the other hand, a motherboard from 10 > years ago will quite likely still work fine today. I think Kim is right on the spot here, as I have experienced this in my real life. In 1994 I bought a very powerful computer for studio recordings; a Mac Centris 650 with a 25 MHz processor that was even further enforced by some Digidesign hardware. That computer never had any problems, it just worked during the years. In 1998, although still going strong it had became totally obsolete and was replaced with a Pentium 3 and a couple of Pentium 4's. None of these younger and faster PC's lasted as long as that old Apple machine. I misunderstood it all and thought that it was Apples manufacturing control that brought that outstanding quality. Two years ago I was therefore happy to replace "those crappy PC's that never lasted for more than two years" with an Apple G5 and I sincerely thought that this machine would last at least ten years - as the old Centris did. I took it on a leasing deal (to bring down overall costs in relation to taxes I pay) and almost exactly on the termination day of the two year leasing period, making me the owner, this G5 died from a "worn out logic board" ;-) This true story shows that no electronics hardware of today is manufactured to last, no matter who assembles the parts and puts his logotype on the box. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 09:48:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2F1B3BF15; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:48:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Defining "pro" Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:50:08 +0200 Message-ID: <000c01c5d300$29418e30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:48:51 +0000 (UTC) Just have been searching at a local music store's website for the word "pro". 1544 hits. Some examples: * lots of Behringer stuff (I think all the rackmount ones) * a few Line6 products (the rackmount ones) * a few Mackie mixers * software (e.g. Logic Pro, Acid Pro) * different headphones (Sennheiser, Beyer, Stanton) * turntable pickubs by Ortofon * a lowprice company named SM Pro Audio * a drumstick company named Pro Mark * a supercheap guitar pseudobrand named Pro Arte * a few products by Focusrite * a few products by K&M (stands) * amps by Ampeg * guitars by BC Rich * a cheap mike by Audio Technika * JBL speakers * a Furman power conditioner * speakers by Eminence * interfaces by Marian * entertainer keyboards by Korg * a few preamps by Fishman * PA cabinets by Dynacord * Vestax, Numark and Allen&Heath DJ mixers * a cheap =803k upright * DiMarzio, EMG, Seymour Duncan pickups * harmonicas by Hohner * stuff by Presonus * cheap speakers by Edirol * some in-ear phones by Ultimate Ears Summary: for some companies, "pro" means "rackmount" - I think Behringer took the hint from Line6. For software, "Pro" means the same program with more features. Higher quality? I don't think so. For many companies, "pro" means targeted at DJs (see Allen&Heath, Sennheiser and Beyerdynamic). for some companies, "pro" means "cheap stuff with lots of features" (see Focusrite - they have some pro gear all right, but it's not called "pro"). For Ampeg, similar to the software companies, it seems to mean "lots of features". So we're as wise as before: Some companies never call their products "pro", with these, you have a good chance to get pro gear (ever seen a Rosetta Pro or SLAM Pro or GML 9500 Pro?). With all the others, you never know... Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net]=20 Gesendet: Montag, 17. Oktober 2005 07:18 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Defining "pro" i think i saved this from the loopersdelight archive-but dont have the poster's name: quote..."'Amateur' tradionally meant "one who does something for the love of it" (from the Latin amator-amatus:lover-to love) as opposed to the secular meaning of 'professional' as "one who does something for gain." the term "professional" has become so debased that whenever i see a product named w/ the prefix "pro" i automatically assume it is inferior."...unquote dont know who wrote it, but its cool w/ me. s > Someone once told me... >=20 > "A professional does for money what an amateur does for the love of=20 > it." >=20 > Tony >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sonic steph" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 12:50 PM > Subject: Re: Defining "pro" >=20 >=20 >> Per Boysen a =E9crit : >>=20 >>> Hi, >>>=20 >>> I completely agree with Travis' definition of "pro". A funny=20 >>> definition of amateur is one who calls himself "pro" even though he=20 >>> isn't able to make a living of his music. >>=20 >> I guess it is not funny at all, but making a living of music sounds=20 >> completely elitist.. As this is only possible if only few people=20 >> produce music.. the disc industry make people think that very few=20 >> people are really talented, which is obviously wrong, regarded to all >> the stuff you can hear on the net, on the metro or wherever you=20 >> listen to non commercial music.. so a pro to be pro sounds to me more >> like a capitalistic bahaviour than a musical one.. >>=20 >> bye >>=20 >> stephane >>=20 >> -- >>=20 >> ___________________________________________________________ >> Musique, vid=E9o, radio ind=E9pendante (boycottez les majors!) >> ----------------------- >> http://www.dadaprod.org=20 >> ___________________________________________________________ >>=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 09:48:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD44B3BF1C; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:48:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:50:08 +0200 Message-ID: <000d01c5d300$2a116150$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <2C255396-BA07-4DDD-B0A4-FFD646C399BC@boysen.se> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:48:52 +0000 (UTC) although I'd assume an increase in mtbf again due to the minimum warranty period of 2 years for consumer poducts sold in the EU. (Strange enough, this doesn't count for the investment-type "pro" goods...) -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se]=20 Gesendet: Montag, 17. Oktober 2005 09:45 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius > At 07:59 AM 10/15/2005, Jeff Larson wrote: > >> Travis Hartnett wrote: >> > Nah--hard drives aren't designed to last more than a few years, the >> > motherboard and power supply batteries likewise. >> >> Hard drive, debatable. Motherboard, nonsense. Batteries, yes. Power >> cord, no. >> > On Oct 17, 2005, at 6:12, Kim Flint wrote: > Sorry, that is not correct. A motherboard designed today is not > designed to last 10 years. The probability is very low that it =20 > would last that long. On the other hand, a motherboard from 10 =20 > years ago will quite likely still work fine today. I think Kim is right on the spot here, as I have experienced this in =20 my real life. In 1994 I bought a very powerful computer for studio =20 recordings; a Mac Centris 650 with a 25 MHz processor that was even =20 further enforced by some Digidesign hardware. That computer never had =20 any problems, it just worked during the years. In 1998, although =20 still going strong it had became totally obsolete and was replaced =20 with a Pentium 3 and a couple of Pentium 4's. None of these younger =20 and faster PC's lasted as long as that old Apple machine. I =20 misunderstood it all and thought that it was Apples manufacturing =20 control that brought that outstanding quality. Two years ago I was =20 therefore happy to replace "those crappy PC's that never lasted for =20 more than two years" with an Apple G5 and I sincerely thought that =20 this machine would last at least ten years - as the old Centris did. =20 I took it on a leasing deal (to bring down overall costs in relation =20 to taxes I pay) and almost exactly on the termination day of the two =20 year leasing period, making me the owner, this G5 died from a "worn =20 out logic board" ;-) This true story shows that no electronics =20 hardware of today is manufactured to last, no matter who assembles =20 the parts and puts his logotype on the box. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 10:16:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE0C33BF21; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:16:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: "'Looper's Delight'" Subject: EDP--Multiply question Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 03:16:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcXTA9NMuxap5wJARWiKD7fIvqCBqg== Message-Id: <20051017101602.PQHY2059.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:16:41 +0000 (UTC) Hi- In loop iii, you could reduce the loop size by pressing multiply then pressing it again during the first cycle-thus going back to one cycle. Is there a way to do this in loop iv, short of rewindowing? Gary PS Saw Two For the Money, and heard small bits of Andre. Hooray! G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 10:26:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A5273BF22; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:26:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009d01c5d305$3f2f2a40$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <000c01c5d300$29418e30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Subject: Re: Defining "pro" Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:24:16 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1256"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:26:45 +0000 (UTC) Perhaps marketing wags will fall back on that additionally-overused term, "plus". It's been around 20 years since they hung on that one. Non-creatives are so predictable! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Monday, 17 October, 2005 10:50 AM Subject: AW: Defining "pro" > Just have been searching at a local music store's website for the word > "pro". 1544 hits. Some examples: > > * lots of Behringer stuff (I think all the rackmount ones) > * a few Line6 products (the rackmount ones) > * a few Mackie mixers > * software (e.g. Logic Pro, Acid Pro) > * different headphones (Sennheiser, Beyer, Stanton) > * turntable pickubs by Ortofon > * a lowprice company named SM Pro Audio > * a drumstick company named Pro Mark > * a supercheap guitar pseudobrand named Pro Arte > * a few products by Focusrite > * a few products by K&M (stands) > * amps by Ampeg > * guitars by BC Rich > * a cheap mike by Audio Technika > * JBL speakers > * a Furman power conditioner > * speakers by Eminence > * interfaces by Marian > * entertainer keyboards by Korg > * a few preamps by Fishman > * PA cabinets by Dynacord > * Vestax, Numark and Allen&Heath DJ mixers > * a cheap €3k upright > * DiMarzio, EMG, Seymour Duncan pickups > * harmonicas by Hohner > * stuff by Presonus > * cheap speakers by Edirol > * some in-ear phones by Ultimate Ears > > Summary: for some companies, "pro" means "rackmount" - I think Behringer > took the hint from Line6. For software, "Pro" means the same program > with more features. Higher quality? I don't think so. For many > companies, "pro" means targeted at DJs (see Allen&Heath, Sennheiser and > Beyerdynamic). for some companies, "pro" means "cheap stuff with lots of > features" (see Focusrite - they have some pro gear all right, but it's > not called "pro"). For Ampeg, similar to the software companies, it > seems to mean "lots of features". > > So we're as wise as before: Some companies never call their products > "pro", with these, you have a good chance to get pro gear (ever seen a > Rosetta Pro or SLAM Pro or GML 9500 Pro?). With all the others, you > never know... > > Rainer > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] > Gesendet: Montag, 17. Oktober 2005 07:18 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: Defining "pro" > > > i think i saved this from the loopersdelight archive-but dont have the > poster's name: quote..."'Amateur' tradionally meant "one who does > something for the love of it" (from the Latin amator-amatus:lover-to > love) as opposed to the secular meaning of 'professional' as "one who > does something for gain." the term "professional" has become so debased > that whenever i see a product named w/ the prefix "pro" i automatically > assume it is inferior."...unquote > > dont know who wrote it, but its cool w/ me. > s > >> Someone once told me... >> >> "A professional does for money what an amateur does for the love of >> it." >> >> Tony >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "sonic steph" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 12:50 PM >> Subject: Re: Defining "pro" >> >> >>> Per Boysen a écrit : >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I completely agree with Travis' definition of "pro". A funny >>>> definition of amateur is one who calls himself "pro" even though he >>>> isn't able to make a living of his music. >>> >>> I guess it is not funny at all, but making a living of music sounds >>> completely elitist.. As this is only possible if only few people >>> produce music.. the disc industry make people think that very few >>> people are really talented, which is obviously wrong, regarded to all > >>> the stuff you can hear on the net, on the metro or wherever you >>> listen to non commercial music.. so a pro to be pro sounds to me more > >>> like a capitalistic bahaviour than a musical one.. >>> >>> bye >>> >>> stephane >>> >>> -- >>> >>> ___________________________________________________________ >>> Musique, vidéo, radio indépendante (boycottez les majors!) >>> ----------------------- >>> http://www.dadaprod.org >>> ___________________________________________________________ >>> >> > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 11:52:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B82B83BF24; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:52:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-72.messagelabs.com!1129549928!0!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8972@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Defining "pro" Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:51:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5D311.2A6D0620" Resent-Message-ID: <6xoGlB.A.TyB.rB5UDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:52:11 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5D311.2A6D0620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" >>"A professional does for money what an amateur does for the love of it."<< as far as people go, that's pretty much what it says in the dictionary, carefully avoiding any mention of the relative commitment or skill levels of the two. when it comes to equipment, it's down to the commitment one can expect from the manufacturer & their agents. naturally, this figures in the /initial/ experience of the product, whatever it is- it's design & build quality. there's a danger here that quality of hardware or appearance will falsely identify a piece of kit as being better or worse thatn it's peers, when what really separates the men from the boys here is how the customer is treated a long time after the product has been delivered. the example was made of the mighty yamaha cs80 polysynth against the korg polysix or the roland juno series.... I have some direct experience of this area. it's not just about the build quality or the design of the instruments as originally sold; though it's fair to say that the cs80 could only be afforded by the wealthier musicians of the late 70s, this doesn't infer that they were amateurs or professionals that bought the thing, nor that yamaha set out to exclude anyone by their marketing. in fact, the cs80 was part of a range that included more modestly priced polysynths that just weren't quite as famous, aswell as much more expensive instruments like the gx-1. the prophet 5 wasn't far behind & the cost of polysynths began to tumble until it was possible for anyone with a few hundred dollars to get hold of a juno-60 or polysix. both of these were well-constructed & well-designed instruments, with many features borrowed & lessons learned from the cs80. but fast-forward to 1999, a mere 20 years or less after these things were designed & built. & try to buy voice chips, or any of the control surface components for the roland or the korg. not happening. in 1996, I waited over six months for a CPU for a juno-106. it came by boat from japan, & when it arrived, it didn't work. it took me over a year to get that synth working again. thanks, roland. & a korg polysix I was fixing for a friend in 1998- I was told that the caps for the switchgear were no longer available & that I was being supplied with the last one the guy had. whereas yamaha-UK supplied me /from stock/, a whole raft of obscure parts to restore a 1978 cs30, including voice ICs, & just a few months ago, again /from stock/ the service sheets for a 1975 cs50. if we're going to continue to misuse "professional" & "amateur" as epithets for good & bad behaviour by either manufacturers or musicians, then surely it ought to be on the basis of their treatment of their customers /after/ the money has changed hands. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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    >>"A professional does for money what an amate= ur does for the love of it."<<

    as far as people go, that's pretty much what it says in t= he dictionary, carefully avoiding any mention of the relative commitment or= skill levels of the two.

    when it comes to equipment, it's down to the commitment o= ne can expect from the manufacturer & their agents. naturally, this fig= ures in the /initial/ experience of the product, whatever it is- it's desig= n & build quality. there's a danger here that quality of hardware or ap= pearance will falsely identify a piece of kit as being better or worse that= n it's peers, when what really separates the men from the boys here is how = the customer is treated a long time after the product has been delivered. <= /FONT>

    the example was made of the mighty yamaha cs80 polysynth = against the korg polysix or the roland juno series.... I have some direct e= xperience of this area.

    it's not just about the build quality or the design of th= e instruments as originally sold; though it's fair to say that the cs80 cou= ld only be afforded by the wealthier musicians of the late 70s, this doesn'= t infer that they were amateurs or professionals that bought the thing, nor= that yamaha set out to exclude anyone by their marketing. in fact, the cs8= 0 was part of a range that included more modestly priced polysynths that ju= st weren't quite as famous, aswell as much more expensive instruments like = the gx-1. the prophet 5 wasn't far behind & the cost of polysynths bega= n to tumble until it was possible for anyone with a few hundred dollars to = get hold of a juno-60 or polysix. both of these were well-constructed &= well-designed instruments, with many features borrowed & lessons learn= ed from the cs80.

    but fast-forward to 1999, a mere 20 years or less after t= hese things were designed & built. & try to buy voice chips, or any= of the control surface components for the roland or the korg. not happenin= g. in 1996, I waited over six months for a CPU for a juno-106. it came by b= oat from japan, & when it arrived, it didn't work. it took me over a ye= ar to get that synth working again. thanks, roland. & a korg polysix I = was fixing for a friend in 1998- I was told that the caps for the switchgea= r were no longer available & that I was being supplied with the last on= e the guy had.

    whereas yamaha-UK supplied me /from stock/, a whole raft = of obscure parts to restore a 1978 cs30, including voice ICs, & just a = few months ago, again /from stock/ the service sheets for a 1975 cs50.

    if we're going to continue to misuse "professional&q= uot; & "amateur" as epithets for good & bad behaviour by = either manufacturers or musicians, then surely it ought to be on the basis = of their treatment of their customers /after/ the money has changed hands.<= /FONT>

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    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5D311.2A6D0620-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 14:38:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FD983BF17; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:38:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01f901c5d328$78fc2430$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: PRO vs. AM was Re: Defining "pro" Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 07:38:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:38:42 +0000 (UTC) Tony wrote: "Someone once told me... "A professional does for money what an amateur does for the love of it." This falls into the same category as the wisdom that says "Those who can't do, teach" It is ignorant and mean spirited. I've been an artist all of my life. In every situation I've ever been in, I have always created the space to have a completely original project, dedicated to pure artistry: pure expression in whatever medium I was involved in...............from rock and roll to funk to jazz to new wave to world music to electronica to found sound to live looping. I have also not had a conventional 'day job' for the last 25 years, having made all of my living as a musician in one form or another (studio recording, touring, local gigging, teaching, music production, live sound engineering, music business consulting, et. al.) I am a pro and I'm proud of it. I worked my ass off to survive and it has been very difficult to do so at times. I ate burritos and quesadillas and other cheap food for the better part of ten years so that I could keep my eye on the prize: music. I am not cynical or calculating in being a professional. I pride myself on trying to have a service orientation in my work (I'm a drummer for god's sake so it goes with the territory..........lol). I also do not look down or put down musicians who do not make their living as professionals. I'd never put on a looping festival if I had this attitude. Some of the very best musicians I know are not 'pros' in the strict definition of the word. I could care less. They are wonderful and innovative musicians. Some of the very best musicians I know are also consumate professionals, both in spirit and in the letter of the term. You want to tell me that Debhashish Battycharya, Bob Brozman, Martin Simpson, Deepak Ram and Babatunde Olatunji are cynical hacks because they are so good that they make all of their living being musicians. Be real, please. Distinctions between pro and amateur are spurious in terms of artistry, I believe. My definition of a true artist is someone who does art every day, whether or not they make their living from it. I know great artists who have day jobs, terrible hacks who are pros. I also know terrible hacks who are proverbial 'weekend warriors', a term bandied about by professional musicians who are also equally ignorant and mean spirited. I've known great artists who are professionals. ********* In this discussion, folks, let's be honest.........................everyone on earth wishes they could do what they most love for a living. It's simple............if you love something, you want to devote as much time to it as you can and making a living doing it merely affords you the ability to put more energy into your art...........................sometimes. Having to play three to five gigs a week to pay the bills can also be exhausting and can definitely keep your eye off the 'prize' of artistry. There is no need to put people down in this discussion. Every truly great master artist I've ever known has never had this kind of 'US' and 'THEM' mentality. Period. Point. Dot. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 14:47:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6AA133BF1B; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:47:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <016c01c5d329$a69d6560$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <4350714C.6040404@sun.com> <43511950.4000200@sun.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20051016204558.04824720@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 08:47:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 351, in=142820, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:47:12 +0000 (UTC) > > Sorry, that is not correct. A motherboard designed today is not designed to > last 10 years. The probability is very low that it would last that long. On > the other hand, a motherboard from 10 years ago will quite likely still > work fine today. [snip] Ain't planned obsescelence great? The same goes for printers. Everyone once in a while, I find someone who is still using an HP LaserJet printer that was made in 1990, built like a rock with 100's of thousands of pages on them. > And if you think spending $4000 on a laptop changes this equation, all I > have to say to you is, "Thanks!" > > kim I admit $4000 is not practical nor something we can expect the average consumer, or even musician to drop on a laptop. Heck, with all my talk, I didnt! I had to buy a consumer model compaq/hp for $1700 three years ago, but I didn't cut corners on features. My commercial laptop was bought by my employer....but I still stand to my own personal point earlier, that from now on I will buy only commerical boxes, even if I have to save my money for an extra year to get one. I has having this similar converations at Y2K5 with Andy and Doug Wright who was using an IBM box. Kim, we misseed you at Y2K4 this year! :) K- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 15:00:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 708993BF36; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:00:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01cb01c5d32b$8b266190$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20051017101602.PQHY2059.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> Subject: Re: EDP--Multiply question Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:00:40 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 353, in=158092, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <1zIcUC.A._RB.fy7UDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:00:47 +0000 (UTC) I am no EDP expert (even though I have two of them and limp through the features), but I believe you press Multiply...do your loop for how long you want to redefine the orignal loop length, and then hit Record. That will trucate the original loop length to your new Multiplied length. Works great for creating order out of chaos. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" To: "'Looper's Delight'" Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 4:16 AM Subject: EDP--Multiply question > Hi- > In loop iii, you could reduce the loop size by pressing multiply then > pressing it again during the first cycle-thus going back to one cycle. Is > there a way to do this in loop iv, short of rewindowing? > Gary > PS Saw Two For the Money, and heard small bits of Andre. Hooray! > G > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 15:31:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73D0A3BF1F; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:31:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: EDP--Multiply question Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 08:31:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <01cb01c5d32b$8b266190$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Thread-index: AcXTK4sPuubTcVzZQtq0V+UzBIPo2AABCWsA Message-Id: <20051017153147.BOYR9260.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:31:50 +0000 (UTC) That's windowing-- Any other options? Gary -----Original Message----- Kris Hartung wrote: I am no EDP expert (even though I have two of them and limp through the features), but I believe you press Multiply...do your loop for how long you want to redefine the original loop length, and then hit Record. That will trucate the original loop length to your new Multiplied length. Works great for creating order out of chaos. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Lehmann" > Hi- > In loop iii, you could reduce the loop size by pressing multiply then > pressing it again during the first cycle-thus going back to one cycle. Is > there a way to do this in loop iv, short of rewindowing? > Gary > PS Saw Two For the Money, and heard small bits of Andre. Hooray! > G From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 15:49:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CFC63BF28; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:49:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:48:58 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: EDP--Multiply question In-reply-to: <01cb01c5d32b$8b266190$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4353C7EA.1040308@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20051017101602.PQHY2059.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@Desktop2002> <01cb01c5d32b$8b266190$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:49:03 +0000 (UTC) Kris Hartung wrote: > I am no EDP expert (even though I have two of them and limp through the > features), but I believe you press Multiply...do your loop for how long you > want to redefine the orignal loop length, and then hit Record. That will > trucate the original loop length to your new Multiplied length. Works great > for creating order out of chaos. This is Unrounded Multiply. In addition to splicing out a section of the loop, it also redefines the cycle length, the resulting loop will have one cycle. It also sets the "loop window" so that Undo now moves the window. There is also ReMultiply. Once you have multiplied a loop to have several cycles, if you perform a Multiply ending with another Multiply, it will splice out the cycles that elapsed during the multiply, but keep the original cycle length. If for example you did a multiply over cycles 2 and 3 of a 4 cycle loop, you will end up with a 2 cycle loop. I don't think this sets the loop window. I don't know anything about Loop III, but if you're having trouble with this in Loop IV it may be because Quantize isn't set. I generally use ReMultiply with Quantize=Cycle or SubCycle so I can get the splice to occur exactly on a cycle boundary. If quantize isn't on, my understanding is that it still splices out an even multiple of cycles, but it starts wherever you were on the first Multiply. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 15:53:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88DB33BF34; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:53:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <20051017153147.BOYR9260.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20051017153147.BOYR9260.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP--Multiply question Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:53:42 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: <5ZyTKD.A.zxC.Uk8UDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:53:56 +0000 (UTC) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Lehmann" > > >> Hi- >> In loop iii, you could reduce the loop size by pressing multiply then >> pressing it again during the first cycle-thus going back to one >> cycle. Is >> there a way to do this in loop iv, short of rewindowing? Yes, I'm doing that in Loop4. But when I upgraded from Loop3 I found out that I mustn't be too fast on the second press because then Loop4 will interpret it as "Multiincrease" and start a looong proceedure that I don't know how to cancle (...anyone?). If the EDP is not run as sync master I tend to lean to Multiply-Record to redefine the loop length (because it will recalculate the MIDI clock tempo sent out, if being sync master). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 15:57:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7A2D3BF3B; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:57:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006a01c5d333$7e57e710$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" References: <01f901c5d328$78fc2430$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: PRO vs. AM was Re: Defining "pro" Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:40:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:57:23 +0000 (UTC) > Tony wrote: > "Someone once told me... > > "A professional does for money what an amateur does for the love of it." > > > This falls into the same category as the wisdom that says > > "Those who can't do, teach" > > It is ignorant and mean spirited. I never took it to be in a mean spirited way. I just took it as being paid for doing what you do. Not an "either or" thing. Getting paid certainly doesn't make one less of an artist. Artistic merit has zippo to do with payment. I'm sure we've all gotten things for 'free' that were high quality, and paid for crap. Right? Everybody is different (thank god!) My grandfather was a potter/mosaicist/painter and supported his family for decades with his art. Mom, on the other hand, is a great painter, but doesn't want to try to make a living at it. She's got her eye on it as a retirement thing when her livelyhood doesn't depend on it. I love to play music and have made only $50 as a musician in 27 years of playing, so I'm a total amateur. Could I go 'pro' and get paid? maybe. Do I want to? Nope. I also know guys who made a living as a musician and quit because they didn't like a lot of the associated crap that goes with it. But, any field is like that. Anyway, all I saw in that 'definition' is that a pro gets paid, an amateur doesn't. It has nothing to do with quality, or merit, or art, or anything except money. And, jeez, what's wrong with getting paid for doing what you love? I like being a programmer and I really like getting paid for it. I always thought it was pretty cool (and surprising) to get paid for doing something I liked anyway. That probably came from listening to my dad constantly bitch about hating his job. Would I program if I didn't get paid? Certainly. But I wouldn't be writing the programs that I do. Would they be of a lesser quality? I would hope not! :) As far as 'pro' equipment goes. it's all in the marketing. I dont' recall anybody labling a Neve as "PRO" gear. :) But I've got a Behringer "Pro" gear that doesn't even live in the same galaxy as a Neve. just my two cents and sorry if the quote offended anybody, Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 15:58:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A387B3BF42; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:58:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: PRO vs. AM was Re: Defining "pro" Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:59:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <01f901c5d328$78fc2430$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> thread-index: AcXTKHl4dtUKSsZoRUW4t+8Rl+6eWgACkxcA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20051017155846.589A53BED5@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3rg3KC.A.MDD.3o8UDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:58:47 +0000 (UTC) Well stated! Among other things, being called a 'weekend warrior' by a fellow musician stung like hell for a while before I realized the source was a bitter musician who tried to blame me for his inability to survive solely on music. I wanted to bring up my variation of the 80/20 rule in this business. If I can keep the 'crap' (travel, agents' BS, ...) that goes along with a given project in the 20% range, I'm in heaven. Some projects flip that ratio around to where I wonder why I'm really still involved. I eventually take my energy elsewhere. -----Original Message----- From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 10:39 AM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: PRO vs. AM was Re: Defining "pro" Tony wrote: "Someone once told me... "A professional does for money what an amateur does for the love of it." This falls into the same category as the wisdom that says "Those who can't do, teach" It is ignorant and mean spirited. I've been an artist all of my life. In every situation I've ever been in, I have always created the space to have a completely original project, dedicated to pure artistry: pure expression in whatever medium I was involved in...............from rock and roll to funk to jazz to new wave to world music to electronica to found sound to live looping. I have also not had a conventional 'day job' for the last 25 years, having made all of my living as a musician in one form or another (studio recording, touring, local gigging, teaching, music production, live sound engineering, music business consulting, et. al.) I am a pro and I'm proud of it. I worked my ass off to survive and it has been very difficult to do so at times. I ate burritos and quesadillas and other cheap food for the better part of ten years so that I could keep my eye on the prize: music. I am not cynical or calculating in being a professional. I pride myself on trying to have a service orientation in my work (I'm a drummer for god's sake so it goes with the territory..........lol). I also do not look down or put down musicians who do not make their living as professionals. I'd never put on a looping festival if I had this attitude. Some of the very best musicians I know are not 'pros' in the strict definition of the word. I could care less. They are wonderful and innovative musicians. Some of the very best musicians I know are also consumate professionals, both in spirit and in the letter of the term. You want to tell me that Debhashish Battycharya, Bob Brozman, Martin Simpson, Deepak Ram and Babatunde Olatunji are cynical hacks because they are so good that they make all of their living being musicians. Be real, please. Distinctions between pro and amateur are spurious in terms of artistry, I believe. My definition of a true artist is someone who does art every day, whether or not they make their living from it. I know great artists who have day jobs, terrible hacks who are pros. I also know terrible hacks who are proverbial 'weekend warriors', a term bandied about by professional musicians who are also equally ignorant and mean spirited. I've known great artists who are professionals. ********* In this discussion, folks, let's be honest.........................everyone on earth wishes they could do what they most love for a living. It's simple............if you love something, you want to devote as much time to it as you can and making a living doing it merely affords you the ability to put more energy into your art...........................sometimes. Having to play three to five gigs a week to pay the bills can also be exhausting and can definitely keep your eye off the 'prize' of artistry. There is no need to put people down in this discussion. Every truly great master artist I've ever known has never had this kind of 'US' and 'THEM' mentality. Period. Point. Dot. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 16:03:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 084C33BF23; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:03:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: EDP--Multiply question Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:03:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: Thread-index: AcXTMu5QfUATJZBySwyJN/DwMhNzAgAAR7LA Message-Id: <20051017160338.WGMF16347.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:03:49 +0000 (UTC) Thanks mates! I found that changing quantize to cycle solved this problem--but I still have to be careful or I get what Per is experiencing. Greetings from San Diego--it's raining! Gary -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 8:54 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP--Multiply question > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary Lehmann" > > >> Hi- >> In loop iii, you could reduce the loop size by pressing multiply then >> pressing it again during the first cycle-thus going back to one >> cycle. Is >> there a way to do this in loop iv, short of rewindowing? Yes, I'm doing that in Loop4. But when I upgraded from Loop3 I found out that I mustn't be too fast on the second press because then Loop4 will interpret it as "Multiincrease" and start a looong proceedure that I don't know how to cancle (...anyone?). If the EDP is not run as sync master I tend to lean to Multiply-Record to redefine the loop length (because it will recalculate the MIDI clock tempo sent out, if being sync master). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 16:18:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD66B3BF4C; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:18:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:22:48 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: AW: sound mangling devices? To: Message-id: <001001c5d337$03d240e0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <43515274.16789.150EFCC@localhost> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:18:25 +0000 (UTC) My comments mixed in among the text.... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 2:03 PM Subject: Re: AW: sound mangling devices? > > > Bitrman > > I've never seen this series in a shop, but reviews have been > uncomplimentary about the sound levels. Anyone use devices from this > series? Exactly!!! Bitrman is quite destructive. It will get you many of the sounds Jeff Beck wowed generations of guitarists with over the years too. As a general comment: if you want sound mangling, then a good direction to plot is to abuse things and take them out of their normal safety zone. > > >Zoom 1201, Lexicon Vortex... > > Too much LCD reading required - I'm looking for plenty of real tme > control Lexicon Vortex - have you ever tried one? This 10 year old puppy gives the ability to build things you can re-use and then allows you to manipulate sounds realtime. You may want to reconsider your prejudices against it. > >Nord Modular G2 engine with a Behringer BCR2000, > > Possibly a bit OTT for the purpose? OTT compared to what? It's all relative, right? > > Aber danke sehr.... > > All the best, > > Nick Robinson > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 16:49:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A29313BF3C; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:49:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=g0EDIrQHx+Dmu53ax9pQXvds400Yx1WY8dCuVk9SuNb20tnRLRIkVsGcdbPb/osBO3k7dYBioGBWhnuvMfvJ1kAX5AcIq2kDiYvXXzimZGmCp3l0UEmOTntCz46MLi8WKTmyFPxkSUg6VvfcKHFveeADcFD4AsgEVaPaPU3AZ7g= ; Message-ID: <20051017164952.7629.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:49:52 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hansen Subject: OT: sound mangling... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051014162823.125BA3BFBA@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1427034034-1129567792=:3110" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:49:54 +0000 (UTC) --0-1427034034-1129567792=:3110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit i think there has been lots of sound mangling threads in the archives: i've had success w/: alesis ineko (and mine is broken partially), digitech synthwah, digitech dsp256xl (some good wierd spacey presets), messing w/ the LFO function on my dod d12, korg kaoss pad (version 1-had some fun wacky things in it, i'm sure the new ones have more), digitech ips33 (for those weird harmonies), my lexicon mpx100 (some fun delay-pitch things, of course until it DIED!!! and it was the one piece of gear i bought NEW!)... i remember when i was running all of my gear in my 4 space rack, i could get some wacky things going....the funny thing is as of late i've been using a more "minimal" set up for me: (my old) RAT pedal-digitech rp100-ibanez de7-dod d12...i've been amazed at some of the sounds that i can generate w/ less, but it's also been about exploring what my rp100 will do (you know the cheap multi-effects), the extremes of chorus/flange, etc w/ a short delay w/ feedback on 100, can get some great sounds... also having the ibanez delay which has knobs for twisting, i play that thing about as much as i play my guitar......my last thoughts as of late is w/ sound mangling, i would imagine that you want to sound different or weird, i think the key is to get in the mode of playing different or weird to sound different or weird. i found that trying to play like EVH (or fripp/torn/etc/fill in your hero) w/ a ring modulator will sound a little weird, but ultimately it is you....in my recent explorations i've been WAY WAY detuning my guitar and seeing what i come up with, it's been most fun, b/c the stuff sounds nothing like the heros i wanted to play like back in the 80's....i suppose it could be attributed to reading all the interviews a few yrs ago w/ the detuned metal gtrists who i've never heard, but read about, the stuff filters in slow strange ways for me..... my long 2 cents.... s--- ps-i should add i remember watching the electrix videos online of the warp & filter factory and still sort of drool over the sounds i heard.... --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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    i think there has been lots of sound mangling threads in the archives:

    i've had success w/: alesis ineko (and mine is broken partially), digitech synthwah, digitech

    dsp256xl (some good wierd spacey presets), messing w/ the LFO function on my dod d12,

    korg kaoss pad (version 1-had some fun wacky things in it, i'm sure the new ones have more),

    digitech ips33 (for those weird harmonies), my lexicon mpx100 (some fun delay-pitch things, of course until it DIED!!! and it was the one piece of gear i bought NEW!)...

    i remember when i was running all of my gear in my 4 space rack, i could get some wacky things going....the funny thing is as of late i've been using a more "minimal" set up for me:

    (my old) RAT pedal-digitech rp100-ibanez de7-dod d12...i've been amazed at some of the sounds that i can generate w/ less, but it's also been about exploring what my rp100 will do (you know the cheap multi-effects), the extremes of chorus/flange, etc w/ a short delay w/ feedback on 100, can get some great sounds... also having the ibanez delay which has knobs for twisting, i play that thing about as much as i play my guitar......my last thoughts as of late is w/ sound mangling, i would imagine that you want to sound different or weird, i think the key is to get in the mode of playing different or weird to sound different or weird. i found that trying to play like EVH (or fripp/torn/etc/fill in your hero) w/ a ring modulator will sound a little weird, but ultimately it is you....in my recent explorations i've been WAY WAY detuning my guitar and seeing what i come up with, it's been most fun, b/c the stuff sounds nothing like the heros i wanted to play like back in the 80's....i suppose it could be attributed to reading all the interviews a few yrs ago w/ the detuned metal gtrists who i've never heard, but read about, the stuff filters in slow strange ways for me.....

    my long 2 cents....

    s---

    ps-i should add i remember watching the electrix videos online of the warp & filter factory and still sort of drool over the sounds i heard....

    Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. --0-1427034034-1129567792=:3110-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 18:01:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E6FC3BF2C; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <023001c5d344$d10a30b0$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20051017164952.7629.qmail@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: sound mangling... Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:01:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_022D_01C5D312.85AC2290" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 353, in=158300, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <9Z4u5.A.NVC.Gc-UDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:01:43 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_022D_01C5D312.85AC2290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Man, I've said it before because I was involved in starting one of these = theads a while back while debating whether to move to the laptop, but = I'll say it again because I love saying it, but a VST host and a key set = of VST effects will $#@!*&#@ your sound up more than anything I can = think of for a fraction of the price of multiple equivalent hardware = units. Example: EnergyXT VST Host - http://www.xt-hq.com/ - $50 Mangling VST effects: Lexicon PSP42 - = http://www.pspaudioware.com/indexen.html?url=3Dhttp://www.pspaudioware.co= m/plugins/psp42.html; - $150 (though you can get 42 and 84 for a package = deal of $ Lexicon PSP84 - = http://www.pspaudioware.com/indexen.html?url=3Dhttp://www.pspaudioware.co= m/plugins/psp84.html; - $150 Cycling '74 Pluggo Suite (some amazing mangling effects in this) - = http://shopping.netsuite.com/cycling74 $200 Antares Filter: http://www.antarestech.com/products/filter.html - $200 MHC Space Effect 2.0 - http://www.mhc.se/software/plugins/spaceeffect/ - = $100 Mathons Chopitch - http://www.mathons.com/chopitch.htm - $30 (a steal = for what this does) TOTAL: $880 + let's say $1500 for a notebook =3D $2380 (or heck, run all = this on the muse receptor) This is the best $880 I've ever spent on effects for mangling my guitar. = I've only tapped the surface using the above effects, and not even close = to tapping the possibibilities of layering effects, or putting in = series. It is mind boggling. What are you going to buy for $880 in a = hardware unit that will do what the above does? My VF1? Not even close. = An Eventide? Maybe, but there are still gaps, and the Eventide is still = outrageously expensive. Someone name one hardware unit for a similar = price that will do what all the above will do on a notebook. Name it = and I'll buy it.=20 And you can mangle your sound in realtime using a MIDI contoller hooked = up to your notebook via a MIDI interface...or do it manually with your = mouse like me (which is easier if you are looping). I'd love to try a = tablet PC and do it with my fingers. Now, know this requires moving to a notebook for effects, but what the = heck...it was VERY easy to setup the above on my system. I could buy a = new notebook and migrate my VST system to the new unit in less than an = hour, re-installing programs and just copying over my config files...no = problem.=20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: scott hansen=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 10:49 AM Subject: OT: sound mangling... i think there has been lots of sound mangling threads in the archives: i've had success w/: alesis ineko (and mine is broken partially), = digitech synthwah, digitech dsp256xl (some good wierd spacey presets), messing w/ the LFO function = on my dod d12, korg kaoss pad (version 1-had some fun wacky things in it, i'm sure = the new ones have more),=20 digitech ips33 (for those weird harmonies), my lexicon mpx100 (some = fun delay-pitch things, of course until it DIED!!! and it was the one = piece of gear i bought NEW!)... i remember when i was running all of my gear in my 4 space rack, i = could get some wacky things going....the funny thing is as of late i've = been using a more "minimal" set up for me: (my old) RAT pedal-digitech rp100-ibanez de7-dod d12...i've been = amazed at some of the sounds that i can generate w/ less, but it's also = been about exploring what my rp100 will do (you know the cheap = multi-effects), the extremes of chorus/flange, etc w/ a short delay w/ = feedback on 100, can get some great sounds... also having the ibanez = delay which has knobs for twisting, i play that thing about as much as i = play my guitar......my last thoughts as of late is w/ sound mangling, i = would imagine that you want to sound different or weird, i think the key = is to get in the mode of playing different or weird to sound different = or weird. i found that trying to play like EVH (or fripp/torn/etc/fill = in your hero) w/ a ring modulator will sound a little weird, but = ultimately it is you....in my recent explorations i've been WAY WAY = detuning my guitar and seeing what i come up with, it's been most fun, = b/c the stuff sounds nothing like the heros i wanted to play like back = in the 80's....i suppose it could be attributed to reading all the = interviews a few yrs ago w/ the detuned metal gtrists who i've never = heard, but read about, the stuff filters in slow strange ways for = me..... my long 2 cents.... s--- ps-i should add i remember watching the electrix videos online of the = warp & filter factory and still sort of drool over the sounds i = heard.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Yahoo! 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    Man, I've said it before because I was = involved in=20 starting one of these theads a while back while debating whether to move = to the=20 laptop, but I'll say it again because I love saying it, but a VST host = and a key=20 set of VST effects will $#@!*&#@ your sound up more than anything I = can=20 think of for a fraction of the price of multiple equivalent hardware=20 units.
     
    Example: EnergyXT VST Host - http://www.xt-hq.com/ - = $50
     
    Mangling VST effects:
     
    Lexicon PSP42 - http://www.pspaudioware.com/indexen.html?u= rl=3Dhttp://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/psp42.html; -=20 $150 (though you can get 42 and 84 for a package deal of = $
    Lexicon PSP84 - http://www.pspaudioware.com/indexen.html?ur= l=3Dhttp://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/psp84.html; -=20 $150
    Cycling '74 Pluggo Suite (some amazing = mangling=20 effects in this) - http://shopping.netsuite.= com/cycling74 $200
    Antares Filter: http://www.antar= estech.com/products/filter.html -=20 $200
    MHC Space Effect 2.0 - http://www.mhc.s= e/software/plugins/spaceeffect/ -=20 $100
    Mathons Chopitch - http://www.mathons.com/chopi= tch.htm -=20 $30 (a steal for what this does)
     
    TOTAL: $880 + let's say $1500 = for a=20 notebook =3D $2380 (or heck, run all this on the muse=20 receptor)
     
    This is the best $880 I've ever spent = on effects=20 for mangling my guitar. I've only tapped the surface using the above = effects,=20 and not even close to tapping the possibibilities of layering effects, = or=20 putting in series. It is mind boggling.  What are you going to buy = for $880=20 in a hardware unit that will do what the above does? My VF1? Not even = close. An=20 Eventide? Maybe, but there are still gaps, and the Eventide is still=20 outrageously expensive. Someone name one hardware unit for a similar=20 price that will do what all the above will do on a notebook.  = Name it=20 and I'll buy it.
     
    And you can mangle your sound in = realtime using a=20 MIDI contoller hooked up to your notebook via a MIDI interface...or do = it=20 manually with your mouse like me (which is easier if you are = looping). I'd=20 love to try a tablet PC and do it with my fingers.
     
    Now, know this requires moving to a = notebook for=20 effects, but what the heck...it was VERY easy to setup the above on my = system. I=20 could buy a new notebook and migrate my VST system to the new unit in = less than=20 an hour, re-installing programs and just copying over my config = files...no=20 problem.
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 scott=20 hansen
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 = 10:49=20 AM
    Subject: OT: sound = mangling...

    i think there has been lots of sound mangling threads in the = archives:

    i've had success w/: alesis ineko (and mine is broken partially), = digitech=20 synthwah, digitech

    dsp256xl (some good wierd spacey presets), messing w/ the LFO = function on=20 my dod d12,

    korg kaoss pad (version 1-had some fun wacky things in it, i'm sure = the new=20 ones have more),

    digitech ips33 (for those weird harmonies), my lexicon mpx100 (some = fun=20 delay-pitch things, of course until it DIED!!! and it was the one = piece of=20 gear i bought NEW!)...

    i remember when i was running all of my gear in my 4 space rack, i = could=20 get some wacky things going....the funny thing is as of late i've been = using a=20 more "minimal" set up for me:

    (my old) RAT pedal-digitech rp100-ibanez de7-dod d12...i've been = amazed at=20 some of the sounds that i can generate w/ less, but it's also been = about=20 exploring what my rp100 will do (you know the cheap multi-effects), = the=20 extremes of chorus/flange, etc w/ a short delay w/ feedback on 100, = can get=20 some great sounds... also having the ibanez delay which has knobs for=20 twisting, i play that thing about as much as i play my guitar......my = last=20 thoughts as of late is w/ sound mangling, i would imagine that you = want to=20 sound different or weird, i think the key is to get in the mode of = playing=20 different or weird to sound different or weird. i found that trying to = play=20 like EVH (or fripp/torn/etc/fill in your hero) w/ a ring modulator = will sound=20 a little weird, but ultimately it is you....in my recent explorations = i've=20 been WAY WAY detuning my guitar and seeing what i come up with, it's = been most=20 fun, b/c the stuff sounds nothing like the heros i wanted to play like = back in=20 the 80's....i suppose it could be attributed to reading all the = interviews a=20 few yrs ago w/ the detuned metal gtrists who i've never heard, but = read about,=20 the stuff filters in slow strange ways for me.....

    my long 2 cents....

    s---

    ps-i should add i remember watching the electrix videos online of = the warp=20 & filter factory and still sort of drool over the sounds i = heard....

    Yahoo!=20 Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it=20 free. ------=_NextPart_000_022D_01C5D312.85AC2290-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 18:01:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A59553BF45; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:01:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20051016212436.04824490@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:01:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius In-Reply-To: <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:01:53 +0000 (UTC) At 04:56 PM 10/14/2005, phaslem@wightman.ca wrote: >a few people have argued against a software looper... but when I had my edp >apart, my tech friend said "lets see, here's your processor, here's the ram, >here's the software... looks suspiciously like a dedicated computer to me" Well, yes of course! And by that simple evaluation, your dishwasher, television, and anti-lock brakes are also computers. They all have a processor, memory, software, etc. So does a ton of other stuff lying around you. Except for really ancient devices from more than 25 years ago, all the loopers we discuss here are software. Some of them run in their own dedicated hardware, and some do not. This is why software upgrades are available for "hardware" loopers like the JamMan, Repeater, Boomerang, and the Echoplex. >Why not set up a laptop or rackmount computer as the dedicated looping >machine? One reason not to (besides some of the others discussed) is the same reason why you would not want a windows/mac/linux computer controlling your anti-lock brakes. There is more to computer system architecture choices than just having a cpu, memory, and some software code. Once distinction in computer systems design is whether it is a "real-time" system or not. In computer engineering terms, a Real-Time System is defined as one that will respond to an event and execute the required function within a guaranteed amount of time. No matter what else the system is doing, it will respond in time to every command. A non-real-time system does not make that guarantee. It might respond in time, but it might not if it is busy with something else. So when you brake hard and the wheels start to lock up, sensors warn the real-time brake computer, and it responds very quickly to prevent you from losing control and crashing. If it were a non-real time system and it happened to be busy downloading a new security update for you at that moment, or checking its temperature, doing some other function, well too bad, the brakes will have to wait and you might die. You probably wouldn't want that. While not quite so life-and-death critical, all electronic musical instruments are similarly designed as Real-Time computer systems. The hardware architecture is designed for real-time, it runs a Real-Time OS, and the software applications and functions running on top are tuned to this real-time environment. These electronic instruments are designed this way because musicians care a lot about rhythmic accuracy, and they want their instrument to respond in time so they don't get off the beat. If a drummer is playing a little bit ahead of the beat to get the right feel, he wants it to come out that way every time he strikes the pad. He won't be happy if 1 in 10 drum hits come out behind the beat when he played them all ahead of the beat. When a keyboard player plays a chord, he wants the notes all coming out together as he played it. He won't be happy if most of the notes come out together but some notes come out a little bit late. And of course nobody is happy if some audio samples don't come out in time and there is a pop through the speakers. A real-time system can guarantee that none of these problems happen. Synchronization is also important, as we often have multiple devices working together at the same tempo and rhythm in our music. As synchronization commands are coming in, we want all the devices to respond accurately and stay together in tempo. Otherwise we might get drifting or rhythmic flams or whatever. A real-time system can guarantee that every time a sync command comes in, the system will respond in time to match the rhythm. And when our device is the one sending the sync commands to other devices, The real-time OS will also guarantee that it sends them reliably on time. There won't be "jitter" due to some commands going out a little later than others. And so it is with Looping. We want our looper instrument to work in a reliable real-time fashion. We are constantly tapping buttons and executing functions on our looper in time to music, and we want it to respond reliably every time. We won't be too happy if one time out of every 20 it waits an extra 40ms to react when we press record. or if 1 in 500 times it waits an extra whole second. We want it to react fast and responsively and reliably the same every time. We also want it to synchronize reliably, whether master or slave. So if a Real-Time system has all these neat advantages, why isn't everything designed that way? The reason is, if you wanted to make a general purpose computer that could support many types of applications, allow all sorts of different peripherals, run all sorts of different programs, be easy to program, etc., a Real-Time OS would just not be practical. It is too unforgiving and difficult to work with, and there is no way you would be able to get all that stuff to work together smoothly and be easy to program for others. And so that's what you have with your PC. Windows, Linux, and MacOS are all non-realtime operating systems. They can't guarantee that every command will always be executed in a specified time. But in turn you can use it to browse the internet, do your accounting, write a novel, play doom, listen to music, watch a DVD, change your graphics card tomorrow, etc etc etc. It can do some of everything. It even has some pseudo real-time features, with interrupt classes that allow for higher priorities. A smart programmer will use those to improve their performance when some sort of real time action is needed. But ultimately the system reserves the highest priorities for itself, and there is no guarantee that something else won't get in the way and delay your function longer than you expected. You can disable stuff, uninstall stuff, remove the spyware, tweak it this way and that, and it might work better. But in the end you still don't have a real-time system and there is still a real probability that some commands won't get the real-time performance you want. So, what performance is really required? Every time this comes up I hear somebody whine about how they don't notice any problem with using their PC for music. And probably they don't, but I usually check what they do musically to see why. Mostly I notice two things. One is they have limited their music to fit the limits of the PC, such that they really aren't doing anything that requires tight rhythmic interaction. For example, rather that performing a percussion part, they queue up a percussion loop several beats ahead. And the second thing I notice is some of these people just don't have a very good sense of rhythm anyway and probably wouldn't notice if something was off by 40ms. (haha, sorry, just being needless mean there.:-) What the musical science and psychoacoustic types say is humans can detect 10ms of latency between an action and hearing it. Less than that and you can't tell. More than that and people can hear it, but they can adapt. HOWEVER, (and this is the key part), humans can detect variations in that latency as low as 1ms. This is especially true of musicians who have a well-trained sense of rhythm. This variation is also called jitter, and you can't adapt to jitter. If the jitter is too big, the musician will have a hard time playing it with the rhythmic feel they want and they will find this instrument to be irritating. So those are the specs you would target if you were trying to design a good real-time electronic musical instrument. You would use a real-time hardware design, a real-time operating system, and you would design it to guarantee somewhere around 1ms of latency for all commands the user can execute, at all times. This is what we did in the EDP for example. The Echoplex responds to any command from the front panel or footpedal within 1.5ms, guaranteed. For midi it is even faster since it doesn't need to debounce a switch. For that I think it is guaranteed at 0.5ms. No windows, macOS, or linux machine can come even remotely close to that kind of real-time performance. The raw latency is much higher, but worse, the variability in latency is a LOT higher. There is always a significant probability that some action will come later than you expect. So there ya go. if your sense of rhythm sucks, perhaps a laptop looper may be just the thing for you! (sorry, just being mean again :-) >It would cost what, 12 or 13 thousand to duplicate what mobius will do >with edp >units! and that doesn't even consider the nightmare of trying to wire up and >control 16 edp's Well, you also have to consider the whole ethical dilemma there, and what your conscience allows. >When you start comparing what you can do with the software vrs the hardware >versions, I think the software will win out... As noted before, They are all software. That already did win. Everything has a computer in it, running software. Or probably you mean "the PC platform hardware will win out." In that case I have story for you. For most of the last 10 years I've been engineering and architecting PC platforms. There's always some project going on to design a "PC that does it all", and takes over some bunch of functions from something else. The PC is going to replace the TV, DVD player, vcr, telephone, thermostat, home security system, washer/dryer, car stereo, your girlfriend, blah blah blah. Never happens. Sure some people get enamored with this idea and there are always a few people who do this, but even I never stuck a PC in my living room and tried to pretend it was better than my TV and Tivo. (I sure wish my marketing teams were right about this stuff, because I would be a lot richer.) In the end it comes down to user interface and applicability to the job. The device designed just for the job will do it well and people find it satisfying and usable. The general purpose device may be able to do many different jobs, but it does none of them particularly well. Jack of all trades, master of none. And so this idea of making the PC do everything is kind of an old, yet tired dream that keeps coming back. It is kind of funny to me to see musicians coming to it so many years after other industries stumbled around with it and couldn't really make it happen. But when I look around me, the real direction I see is not centralizing everything in one place. What I see is decentralized - a variety of small, portable devices, well made for their application, well integrated into their environment, and everything networked and able to talk to everything else. It's about ipods and cell phones and car navigation systems and PSP and Tivo even smart refrigerators. The guy who said the network is the future was the smart one. Music gear will eventually catch up, but I expect it will be years late, as usual. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 18:40:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 240163BF44; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:40:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Thm0JacXNyc7VCxGHi+j0fwoUCyN/9Ja8tiCFvoHDX4x+JYv/X3Gh5fpxuicZIKc2Wk1E8gkKQg8vS8P7jXyl4a1WqZqTauNJN3HU9VzUVBA2sQ5Mi6x7KNqvMzZqIGXXKFo9R223h4uB1ut4K/6OTxQhvvXsHK/5k1tAzEenpA= Message-ID: <26ba8d120510171140k10817793s348dede34192dc1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:40:27 -0400 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A little longer than I originally expected, but... In-Reply-To: <92B7F6EE-D81A-43DD-9408-537C35D27E0D@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <7C26ABB2A1C0FF98C35AAC2F@192.168.1.110> <92B7F6EE-D81A-43DD-9408-537C35D27E0D@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:40:30 +0000 (UTC) On 10/16/05, Per Boysen wrote: > > On Oct 17, 2005, at 0:29, Bob Amstadt wrote: > > > Well, I was premature announcing this box last spring, but it is > > finally shaping up. Coming to NAMM this January: http:// > > www.looperlative.com > > > That's indeed very interesting! Is a manual available? Drooling for > details... I second that -- and ask -- what's the pricing (approximately)? /t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 18:44:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E534B3BF48; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:44:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <025201c5d34a$db08b9f0$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <7C26ABB2A1C0FF98C35AAC2F@192.168.1.110> <92B7F6EE-D81A-43DD-9408-537C35D27E0D@boysen.se> <26ba8d120510171140k10817793s348dede34192dc1@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: A little longer than I originally expected, but... Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:44:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 351, in=143094, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:44:53 +0000 (UTC) And the little sucker is stereo! In one rack space? Good grief...I'm going to have a cardiac arrest....I need to take a walk. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Ritchford" To: Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 12:40 PM Subject: Re: A little longer than I originally expected, but... On 10/16/05, Per Boysen wrote: > > On Oct 17, 2005, at 0:29, Bob Amstadt wrote: > > > Well, I was premature announcing this box last spring, but it is > > finally shaping up. Coming to NAMM this January: http:// > > www.looperlative.com > > > That's indeed very interesting! Is a manual available? Drooling for > details... I second that -- and ask -- what's the pricing (approximately)? /t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 19:08:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B4DC3BF2E; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:08:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JTEYBhiauybI6kl2htpkF9d8Yg+w5bYEF9GctJq6E1g9CAiN1zztkHSbq7HSnhFuxEd4MKOBchJBHgX+lEo2owaGi9rpwYpETxlxpXmXRcizLcEE7/jKvL79lYMHGAPKfUr9Z7kduaP1yjuKtUbPqWGUUMABiQJqMbgSw2Uaxbs= ; Message-ID: <20051017190809.37800.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:08:09 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: AW: sound mangling devices? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <43515274.16789.150EFCC@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:08:10 +0000 (UTC) Why not see if you can get some of the Line6 stomp boxes? They're cheap and fun fun fun. Lot's of knobs. If you prefer a rack mount there's the Pro line which has extra features like MIDI sync (which works great on my Filter Pro but worked horribily on my Delay Pro) Work well in instrament or line level. Mark __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 19:32:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C4863BF37; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:32:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YWxDwW3iIW2Y6re/sMoTZcqPUQQwoUa/CH336s02Eak5Z1hjlf35w1fEi0mhIhlotc0TzCgkXgRLwte8ZzK+10H5agT3C9n/OEG4DpIqeZ/J61rBNjmmSt0OwfGji01CgjP9xgNW31Qs1oXy6WUrAHU1S76nubJzuvP4JsyvkQo= ; Message-ID: <20051017193213.80961.qmail@web50807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:32:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Janosik Subject: Re: A little longer than I originally expected, but... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120510171140k10817793s348dede34192dc1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-359190396-1129577533=:79286" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:32:15 +0000 (UTC) --0-359190396-1129577533=:79286 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well, it's not April so I'm assuming this isn't a joke. The box looks like it uses an Alesis DM5 or a Quadraverb case. J Tom Ritchford wrote: On 10/16/05, Per Boysen wrote: > > On Oct 17, 2005, at 0:29, Bob Amstadt wrote: > > > Well, I was premature announcing this box last spring, but it is > > finally shaping up. Coming to NAMM this January: http:// > > www.looperlative.com > > > That's indeed very interesting! Is a manual available? Drooling for > details... I second that -- and ask -- what's the pricing (approximately)? /t --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. --0-359190396-1129577533=:79286 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    Well, it's not April so I'm assuming this isn't a joke.
     
    The box looks like it uses an Alesis DM5 or a Quadraverb case.
     
    J

    Tom Ritchford <tom@swirly.com> wrote:
    On 10/16/05, Per Boysen wrote:
    >
    > On Oct 17, 2005, at 0:29, Bob Amstadt wrote:
    >
    > > Well, I was premature announcing this box last spring, but it is
    > > finally shaping up. Coming to NAMM this January: http://
    > > www.looperlative.com
    >
    >
    > That's indeed very interesting! Is a manual available? Drooling for
    > details...

    I second that -- and ask -- what's the pricing (approximately)?

    /t

    Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. --0-359190396-1129577533=:79286-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 19:42:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EAE423BF2B; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:42:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <018301c5d355$eda7b880$a0558304@hppav> From: "Rick Williamson" To: References: <014c01c5d2cd$d278ade0$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new addition) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:04:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0180_01C5D32C.0429D7C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:42:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0180_01C5D32C.0429D7C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is the link for more info about hoops. http://nosuchmedia.com/tjt/hoops/ It's included in the latest version of keykit. Rick ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kris Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 10:49 PM Subject: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new addition) One more performance added to the list, Herb Heinz & Tim = Thompson...very cool looping software and demonstration from these guys. = I really enjoyed this set.=20 Herb/Tim, can you share you link to the program? Bernhard, can you add a section on the Y2K5 page with these = recordings? Kim, how about on the LD website? Kris = *************************************************************************= *************** Herb Heinz & Tim Thompson http://nosuchmedia.com/audio/hoopla_y2k5.mp3 Bernhard Wagner Part One - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987792.html Part Two (Verbal Intro) - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/991792.html Part Two - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/991793.html Part Three - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987794.html Part Four (with Max Valentino) - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987795.html Max Valentino Part One (with Bernhard Wagner) - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/992129.html Ted Killian Rick's Intro and Ted Warming Up - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987388.html Part One - Guitar Dyslexia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985656.html Part Two - Guitar Dysphasia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985657.html Part Three - Guitar Dyspasia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/988212.html Greg Powers http://box.net/public/khartung/files/976586.html Ghost 7 http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975372.html Krispen Hartung http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html ------=_NextPart_000_0180_01C5D32C.0429D7C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    This is the link for more info about=20 hoops.
    http://nosuchmedia.com/tjt/hoo= ps/
     
    It's included in the latest version of=20 keykit.
     
    Rick
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Kris=20 Hartung
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 = 10:49=20 PM
    Subject: Y2K5 Performance = Recordings (new=20 addition)

    One more performance added to the = list, Herb=20 Heinz & Tim Thompson...very cool looping software and = demonstration from=20 these guys.  I really enjoyed this set.
     
    Herb/Tim, can you share you link to = the=20 program?
     
    Bernhard, can you add a section on = the Y2K5 page=20 with these recordings? Kim, how about on the LD website?
     
    Kris
     
    ****************************************************************= ************************
     
    Herb Heinz & Tim=20 Thompson
     
     
    Bernhard Wagner
     
    Part Four (with Max Valentino) - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987795.html
     
    Max Valentino
     
    Part One (with Bernhard Wagner) = - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/992129.html
     
    Ted Killian
     
    Rick's Intro and Ted Warming Up - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987388.html
    Part Two - Guitar Dysphasia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985657.html=
    Part Three - Guitar Dyspasia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/988212.html=
     
    Greg = Powers
     
    Ghost 7
     
    Krispen = Hartung
    http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html
     
    ------=_NextPart_000_0180_01C5D32C.0429D7C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 20:07:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2268B3BF53; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:07:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hjhD7+AN3zbHUAcVXkfkunSiexxRhDJ/b81xsscbKmmUZotCSvZi9xbgvLTsiNTkE8cFsJ8qMkevcZOpGfrnwTITNJtmmsKBqbDqgOLGRqIJiNHl72f8ZfF8sE3wsvXHoUHtltNHp9QfQdSoyp3avEJ1DQH4LkQtdmNk6qRi4ls= ; Message-ID: <20051017200756.37050.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:07:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: A little longer than I originally expected, but... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <025201c5d34a$db08b9f0$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:07:58 +0000 (UTC) and its interface looks simpler than the EDP!i think ill take a walk as well... Luis --- Kris Hartung wrote: > And the little sucker is stereo! In one rack space? > Good grief...I'm going > to have a cardiac arrest....I need to take a walk. > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Ritchford" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 12:40 PM > Subject: Re: A little longer than I originally > expected, but... > > > On 10/16/05, Per Boysen wrote: > > > > On Oct 17, 2005, at 0:29, Bob Amstadt wrote: > > > > > Well, I was premature announcing this box last > spring, but it is > > > finally shaping up. Coming to NAMM this > January: http:// > > > www.looperlative.com > > > > > > That's indeed very interesting! Is a manual > available? Drooling for > > details... > > I second that -- and ask -- what's the pricing > (approximately)? > > /t > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 20:08:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DEEA3BF5E; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:08:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=2WAK5xhcUwa9pkpxAI3M8eR3jNOFwLZAc09/oG2AtrUi2Z7jBF3vp/gLInwn0Z+XCw1gor4MV54OGKvPhbdfc1ctQ0qojfkIz3nyqkl2iJhftVDfvIU/HCDXdUc1ygsvGdxYouqKRNOD7y6WDfZyd1JpwFLI0eFYS2x/jBws9Ek= ; Message-ID: <20051017200823.28206.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:08:23 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: AW: OT: Digitech Jamman for sale - a hair from new To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000101c5d1d3$fb999c20$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7zgAY.A.WjG.4SAVDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:08:24 +0000 (UTC) I think part of what you're hearing isn't a slight toward you, but a lament of a group of people hungry for more choices in the looper world, but unhappy with what companies are coming out with. Price has little to do with it. The DL4 can be had at a similar price point and it's considered a great piece of gear. My main looper is a Repeater, but I love my $200 Boss Gigadelay. I think my first true looper cost me $75 used... an old Digitech RDS8000. Hell, if they just rereleased that with more memory they'd have a great product! This weekend I did most of my looping with $29 dollar software (Expert Sleepers' Augustus Loop) Worked like a charm. No one's diss'n the quality of the Digitech JamMan or the people who use it. They're questioning the logic of releasing a looper that lacks some very basic functionality that could make it great. I for one do not buy a looper that doesn't have some sort of feedback control no matter what the price. Mark __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 20:17:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1CE03BF4D; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:17:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=E2f4lNN5CJUeyfQish/O5fyNNZo/5rM04z1eOx0H6AGxLc1iGFUMP2QGxnSWF5MTaRfTTM8Hj6acHma6e/5+p1cPEfgXZZSzpcwMR5e/JaAeQjIuH+3IUM/zdzuWux1gxYdK1OOAi4blI7Ue4cGrZbt6PERIYPdmV/wKwIDbu84= ; Message-ID: <20051017201714.39308.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:17:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: sound mangling devices? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001001c5d337$03d240e0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <46AnSD.A.n1G.KbAVDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:17:14 +0000 (UTC) Electrix Pro!! Luis www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 20:35:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 258FE3BF63; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:35:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=iFso4ctVerfcae/TopWF0uenXdNz1h9Fj4gzGMPXgRN0JKZUYZc2ewKl42GaiuxTbedctFUgETZzSHNt5oqbEwC6c0AGEYMsJrYuMeWTofMfFE+NthnIaCxM0oQHUhW101WQQbzF1Vf+BAkDBL/Nx9Cgit8zAu/h2cuSz/6LdV4= ; Message-ID: <20051017203557.14184.qmail@web52815.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:35:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: RE: PRO vs. AM was Re: Defining "pro" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051017155846.589A53BED5@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:35:59 +0000 (UTC) I´d say there are artist musicians and there are prostitute musicians,professional or amateur... Luis > "A professional does for money what an amateur does > for the love of it." > > > This falls into the same category as the wisdom that > says > > "Those who can't do, teach" > > It is ignorant and mean spirited. > > > I've been an artist all of my life. In every > situation I've ever been in, > I have always created the space to have a completely > original project, dedicated to pure artistry: pure > expression in whatever > medium I was involved in...............from rock and > roll > to funk to jazz to new wave to world music to > electronica to found sound to > live looping. > > I have also not had a conventional 'day job' for the > last 25 years, having > made all of my living as a musician in one form or > another > (studio recording, touring, local gigging, teaching, > music production, live > sound engineering, music business consulting, et. > al.) > > I am a pro and I'm proud of it. I worked my ass > off to survive and it has > been very difficult to do so at times. I ate > burritos and quesadillas and > other cheap food for the better part of ten years so > that I could keep my > eye on the prize: music. > > I am not cynical or calculating in being a > professional. I pride myself on > > trying to have a service orientation in my work (I'm > a drummer for god's > sake so it goes with the territory..........lol). > > I also do not look down or put down musicians who do > not make their living > as professionals. I'd never put on a looping > festival if I had this > attitude. > > Some of the very best musicians I know are not > 'pros' in the strict > definition of the word. I could care less. They > are wonderful and > innovative musicians. > > Some of the very best musicians I know are also > consumate professionals, > both in spirit and in the letter of the term. You > want to tell me that > Debhashish Battycharya, Bob Brozman, Martin Simpson, > Deepak Ram and > Babatunde Olatunji are cynical hacks because they > are so good that they make > > all of their living being musicians. Be real, > please. > > > Distinctions between pro and amateur are spurious in > terms of artistry, I > believe. > > My definition of a true artist is someone who does > art every day, whether or > > not they make their living from it. > I know great artists who have day jobs, terrible > hacks who are pros. > I also know terrible hacks who are proverbial > 'weekend warriors', a term > bandied about by professional musicians who are also > equally ignorant and mean spirited. I've known > great artists who are > professionals. > > ********* > > In this discussion, folks, let's be > honest.........................everyone > on earth wishes they could do what they most love > for a living. > It's simple............if you love something, you > want to devote as much > time to it as you can and making a living doing it > merely affords you the > ability to put more energy into your > art...........................sometimes. Having > to play three to five > gigs a week to pay the bills can also be exhausting > and can definitely keep > your eye off the 'prize' of artistry. > > There is no need to put people down in this > discussion. Every truly great > master artist I've ever known has never had this > kind of 'US' and 'THEM' > mentality. Period. Point. Dot. > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 20:47:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14CB93BF3E; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:47:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:46:55 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius In-reply-to: <6.1.2.0.2.20051016212436.04824490@loopers-delight.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43540DBF.50307@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <6.1.2.0.2.20051016212436.04824490@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:47:01 +0000 (UTC) Yes, yes, the "non real-time" aspect of PCs has been beaten to death here. Sure it is a concern, but frankly it is overblown. Time will tell. I do however completely agree that purpose built hardware will be better than a general purpose computer attempting to do the same thing. No question. Unfortunately, no one makes hardware that does what I want so I'm forced to use a computer. It is a sad, sad existence. Pity me. Luckily I'm not "pro" :-) >> It would cost what, 12 or 13 thousand to duplicate what mobius will do >> with edp units! and that doesn't even consider the nightmare of trying >> to wire up and control 16 edp's > > Well, you also have to consider the whole ethical dilemma there, and > what your conscience allows. Ok I'll bite. Ethical dilemma? Oh I get it, did I "steal" your ideas? Well, they weren't hard to steal, they were all published quite nicely. Everyone on this list whines about how manufacturers aren't listening to the looping community by failing to incorporate some popular feature into their product. If they did would that be stealing? Do you own the concept of "multiply"? Some people believe I somehow copied the actual assembly code off the EDP ROMs and built an emulator to run that in Windows. This is untrue and I would in fact consider that unethical. Mobius was a *lot* of work. I have invested well over a thousand hours in it. Had I chosen to make my usual consulting rate during those hours I could have made a lot of money. Now I give it away for free for the benefit of those that can't afford to spend thousands of dollars on hardware. I'm sorry if you consider that unethical, I don't. And as I've said before, I really don't think Mobius is affecting the sales of EDPs at all. Based on some of the feedback I get I've probably even sold a few EDPs for you. There are plenty of people out there that are curious about the EDP but they're not going to spend a thousand dollars to find out. Now they can get a pretty good idea, but for all the reasons you so eloquently point out they don't want to deal with a laptop on stage. So they decide to buy an EDP. You're welcome. I have an enormous amount of admiration for the EDP designers. This device quite literally changed my life. It saddens me that Mobius irritates some of you, but I honestly cannot understand how it adversely affects you in any way. No one else was going to do this, it is incredibly difficult and you can't make money selling it. This is my hobby, I build the things I want and if there are other tone deaf rhythmically challenged amateurs that like it too, well fine I get some karma points. Warmly, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 20:52:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 086FA3BF50; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:52:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43540F1B.7030301@pdq.net> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:52:43 -0500 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <6.1.2.0.2.20051016212436.04824490@loopers-delight.com> <43540DBF.50307@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <43540DBF.50307@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:52:45 +0000 (UTC) Jeff, Mobius kicks ass. Period, end of story. I'd like to hear the stances of anyone who is "irritated" by Mobius? Maybe I'll have to go back and read Kim's 3 page diatribe (do I *have* to?) to see what you're referring to, but outside of Kim, who the hell thinks Mobius is a bad idea?!?! Keep looping, bro. Doug Jeff Larson wrote: > > Yes, yes, the "non real-time" aspect of PCs has been beaten to death > here. Sure it is a concern, but frankly it is overblown. Time will > tell. I do however completely agree that purpose built hardware will > be better than a general purpose computer attempting to do the same > thing. No question. Unfortunately, no one makes hardware that > does what I want so I'm forced to use a computer. It is a sad, sad > existence. Pity me. Luckily I'm not "pro" :-) > > >> It would cost what, 12 or 13 thousand to duplicate what mobius will do > >> with edp units! and that doesn't even consider the nightmare of trying > >> to wire up and control 16 edp's > > > > Well, you also have to consider the whole ethical dilemma there, and > > what your conscience allows. > > Ok I'll bite. Ethical dilemma? Oh I get it, did I "steal" your ideas? > Well, they weren't hard to steal, they were all published quite nicely. > Everyone on this list whines about how manufacturers aren't listening > to the looping community by failing to incorporate some popular feature > into their product. If they did would that be stealing? Do you > own the concept of "multiply"? > > Some people believe I somehow copied the actual assembly code off the > EDP ROMs and built an emulator to run that in Windows. This is untrue > and I would in fact consider that unethical. Mobius was a *lot* of > work. I have invested well over a thousand hours in it. Had I chosen > to make my usual consulting rate during those hours I could have made > a lot of money. Now I give it away for free for the benefit of > those that can't afford to spend thousands of dollars on hardware. > I'm sorry if you consider that unethical, I don't. > > And as I've said before, I really don't think Mobius is affecting the > sales of EDPs at all. Based on some of the feedback I get I've > probably even sold a few EDPs for you. There are plenty of people out > there that are curious about the EDP but they're not going to spend > a thousand dollars to find out. Now they can get a pretty good idea, > but for all the reasons you so eloquently point out they don't > want to deal with a laptop on stage. So they decide to buy an EDP. > You're welcome. > > I have an enormous amount of admiration for the EDP designers. This > device quite literally changed my life. It saddens me that Mobius > irritates some of you, but I honestly cannot understand how it > adversely affects you in any way. No one else was going to do this, > it is incredibly difficult and you can't make money selling it. > This is my hobby, I build the things I want and if there are other > tone deaf rhythmically challenged amateurs that like it too, well > fine I get some karma points. > > Warmly, > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 21:03:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EABE3BF4B; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:03:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SIN5k5LlssjxUX2UnJ8awH9aSx6AKeR1JGgzY6uiUZC2+bDB+XriUgqijvZ0y+Tc1AfsURNcVKeb5MfxJs6cqD+tjHS7kL8qorKhO2cTETVEG14QtBgv/RsweksKFJE1hLN2bl9Jxsa8IZ9YNXd5Gj+ObjuNN01ZFI1YIxb3B1s= ; Message-ID: <20051017210354.87227.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:03:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <43540F1B.7030301@pdq.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:03:55 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Möbious is great man not perfect yet but neither was the EDP keep up the good work mate it will pay off! Peace --- Doug Cox wrote: > Jeff, > > Mobius kicks ass. Period, end of story. > > I'd like to hear the stances of anyone who is > "irritated" by Mobius? > Maybe I'll have to go back and read Kim's 3 page > diatribe (do I *have* > to?) to see what you're referring to, but outside of > Kim, who the hell > thinks Mobius is a bad idea?!?! > > Keep looping, bro. > > Doug > > Jeff Larson wrote: > > > > > Yes, yes, the "non real-time" aspect of PCs has > been beaten to death > > here. Sure it is a concern, but frankly it is > overblown. Time will > > tell. I do however completely agree that purpose > built hardware will > > be better than a general purpose computer > attempting to do the same > > thing. No question. Unfortunately, no one makes > hardware that > > does what I want so I'm forced to use a computer. > It is a sad, sad > > existence. Pity me. Luckily I'm not "pro" :-) > > > > >> It would cost what, 12 or 13 thousand to > duplicate what mobius will do > > >> with edp units! and that doesn't even consider > the nightmare of trying > > >> to wire up and control 16 edp's > > > > > > Well, you also have to consider the whole > ethical dilemma there, and > > > what your conscience allows. > > > > Ok I'll bite. Ethical dilemma? Oh I get it, did > I "steal" your ideas? > > Well, they weren't hard to steal, they were all > published quite nicely. > > Everyone on this list whines about how > manufacturers aren't listening > > to the looping community by failing to incorporate > some popular feature > > into their product. If they did would that be > stealing? Do you > > own the concept of "multiply"? > > > > Some people believe I somehow copied the actual > assembly code off the > > EDP ROMs and built an emulator to run that in > Windows. This is untrue > > and I would in fact consider that unethical. > Mobius was a *lot* of > > work. I have invested well over a thousand hours > in it. Had I chosen > > to make my usual consulting rate during those > hours I could have made > > a lot of money. Now I give it away for free for > the benefit of > > those that can't afford to spend thousands of > dollars on hardware. > > I'm sorry if you consider that unethical, I don't. > > > > And as I've said before, I really don't think > Mobius is affecting the > > sales of EDPs at all. Based on some of the > feedback I get I've > > probably even sold a few EDPs for you. There are > plenty of people out > > there that are curious about the EDP but they're > not going to spend > > a thousand dollars to find out. Now they can get > a pretty good idea, > > but for all the reasons you so eloquently point > out they don't > > want to deal with a laptop on stage. So they > decide to buy an EDP. > > You're welcome. > > > > I have an enormous amount of admiration for the > EDP designers. This > > device quite literally changed my life. It > saddens me that Mobius > > irritates some of you, but I honestly cannot > understand how it > > adversely affects you in any way. No one else was > going to do this, > > it is incredibly difficult and you can't make > money selling it. > > This is my hobby, I build the things I want and if > there are other > > tone deaf rhythmically challenged amateurs that > like it too, well > > fine I get some karma points. > > > > Warmly, > > Jeff > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 21:13:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D2333BF6B; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:13:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:13:16 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius In-reply-to: <20051017210354.87227.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <435413EC.4020508@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20051017210354.87227.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:13:20 +0000 (UTC) Luis Angulo wrote: > keep up the good work mate it will pay off! It already has, thank you. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 21:19:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CDC43BF27; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:19:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20051017171946.8vr798jtc8gkccgw@www.wightman.ca> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 17:19:46 -0400 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A little longer than I originally expected, but... References: <7C26ABB2A1C0FF98C35AAC2F@192.168.1.110> <92B7F6EE-D81A-43DD-9408-537C35D27E0D@boysen.se> <26ba8d120510171140k10817793s348dede34192dc1@mail.gmail.com> <025201c5d34a$db08b9f0$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <025201c5d34a$db08b9f0$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.clifford X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-29.5 required=8.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME=0.5, RCVD_IP_216_110_224=-30 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:19:52 +0000 (UTC) IF you're taking a list of folks that want to KNOW MORE!!!! please add me Paul Haslem Quoting Kris Hartung : > And the little sucker is stereo! In one rack space? Good grief...I'm going > to have a cardiac arrest....I need to take a walk. > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Ritchford" > To: > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 12:40 PM > Subject: Re: A little longer than I originally expected, but... > > > On 10/16/05, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> On Oct 17, 2005, at 0:29, Bob Amstadt wrote: >> >> > Well, I was premature announcing this box last spring, but it is >> > finally shaping up. Coming to NAMM this January: http:// >> > www.looperlative.com >> >> >> That's indeed very interesting! Is a manual available? Drooling for >> details... > > I second that -- and ask -- what's the pricing (approximately)? > > /t > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 21:23:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E40973BF65; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:23:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051016212436.04824490@loopers-delight.com> References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <6.1.2.0.2.20051016212436.04824490@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 23:23:55 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:23:58 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 17, 2005, at 20:01, Kim Flint wrote: > 8< 8< 8< 8<.... > And so it is with Looping. We want our looper instrument to work in > a reliable real-time fashion. We are constantly tapping buttons and > executing functions on our looper in time to music, and we want it > to respond reliably every time. Thank you, Kim! This is exactly why I do NOT use software for "sound mangling" of my direct instrument signal ("software monitoring"). I do a lot of "software looping" though, but then I take care to only apply sound mangling plug-ins to the loops or other audio streams (bus, aux send loop etc) that do NOT carry my direct signal. This is also why I like quantization of actions in software (not of the music or my playing). Sometimes I set the quantize value to 32nd or 64th notes and hit the button just a little early. This is a little frustrating but nothing we can ever hope to get away from. Speaking about using synced software plug-ins, I think it was a big relief when Ableton Live received Plug-in Latency Compensation with the latest upgrade! But for this to work you can't slave the software, it has to be used as the clock master. Finally, I do not have any problem with the timing response of the EDP. This is interesting: The other day I was discussing latency with one of my live looping students and this percussionist did not see it as a problem because "in classical training you must learn to adjust the general timing of your playing" (to compensate for natural latency in the big concert hall with audience, different instrument groups and the director spread out over a large area, thus not hearing an acoustic sound at the same time). Symphonic musicians have to adjust for the best timing at the listeners position. But myself, I'm not good at that. To me all the joy of playing just isn't there when my instrument sounds later - or earlier - than I'm used to. I've always used small guitar amps close to me on stage and like to practice saxophone against a flat glossy painted wall (yellow sounds best... he, he.... just kidding ;-) I don't like latency afflicted hardware either, for example the Line-6 POD 1. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 21:40:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C974C3BF5B; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:40:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <7C26ABB2A1C0FF98C35AAC2F@[192.168.1.110]> References: <7C26ABB2A1C0FF98C35AAC2F@[192.168.1.110]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <839b7cd955ba6051dffcf34d5504daac@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: A little longer than I originally expected, but... Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:40:31 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:40:38 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 16, 2005, at 5:29 PM, Bob Amstadt wrote: > Well, I was premature announcing this box last spring, but it is > finally shaping up. Coming to NAMM this January: > http://www.looperlative.com who wants to place bets on Bob getting us product in hands before the "new" electrix? i'm definitely interested in this. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 21:43:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD65C3BF62; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:43:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02f301c5d363$c1dce730$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <6.1.2.0.2.20051016212436.04824490@loopers-delight.com> <43540DBF.50307@sun.com> Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:43:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 354, in=158564, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:43:08 +0000 (UTC) I don't understand the non-real time argument here against PCs. Sorry, Per, I must have misunderstood your comments and need to re-read them. Or was it Kim? I'm open. Educate me. I just finally got Mobius set up with my laptop and Behringer controller...I can't tell any difference in timing between hitting the Record button for Mobius and hitting it for my EDPs. And when it comes to controlling my VST effects via MIDI, in some cases it is faster than hardware. I've owned many hardware effect units in the past where there was a 1 second delay in program changes....not with my notebook. I don't have any latency problems either. Hmmmm...no latency, no delay in program changes...what &#@!@* is the problem? :) All the problems I've encountered have been my own damn fault...trying to pack 25 pounds of shit (i.e., VST effects and programs) into a 5 pound bag (i.e. notebook system). That's not a problem with the system, but the intent of the user (me). I'd like to see any pro audio unit handle the same strain we try to put on PC...so we need to compare apples with apples here. And I don't see the point in making a strong bifurcation between PCs and hardware effect units...it's all just hardware and software (embedded or installed). It's all about a processor of some sort managing tasks (or mangling, depending on the system) based on how much memory and speed it has to work with, the speed of the communication channel (buss, i/o, etc), the number of tasks, how it switches between each task, how many it can do in the background, what it does when it runs out of resources, etc, etc. Given that PCs are designed to do other things besides just running music software, there are obviously other competing tasks to factor into the equation, but then again, how fast is the processor on the EDP and the memory allocation, relative to a 3GHz processor on a notebook with 1 gig of RAM? And what is the expectation of one unit to run vs. the other. Again...apples with apples. Why such the black and white separation of PCs and pro audio hardware? Is the reality of the situation really black and white? I can find hardware units that suck in terms of real-time functionality, and also PCs that have much to be desired....but I can put together a notebook system that screams and is lightening fast. I just don't get the categorical separation. My problems with the PC and music software are caused by my unrealistic expectations....that 5 pound bag issue. No boxing gloves on here...just speaking my mind and playing the devil's advocate....maybe taking a more balanced and pragmatic view. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Larson" To: Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 2:46 PM Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius > > Yes, yes, the "non real-time" aspect of PCs has been beaten to death > here. Sure it is a concern, but frankly it is overblown. Time will > tell. I do however completely agree that purpose built hardware will > be better than a general purpose computer attempting to do the same > thing. No question. Unfortunately, no one makes hardware that > does what I want so I'm forced to use a computer. It is a sad, sad > existence. Pity me. Luckily I'm not "pro" :-) > > >> It would cost what, 12 or 13 thousand to duplicate what mobius will do > >> with edp units! and that doesn't even consider the nightmare of trying > >> to wire up and control 16 edp's > > > > Well, you also have to consider the whole ethical dilemma there, and > > what your conscience allows. > > Ok I'll bite. Ethical dilemma? Oh I get it, did I "steal" your ideas? > Well, they weren't hard to steal, they were all published quite nicely. > Everyone on this list whines about how manufacturers aren't listening > to the looping community by failing to incorporate some popular feature > into their product. If they did would that be stealing? Do you > own the concept of "multiply"? > > Some people believe I somehow copied the actual assembly code off the > EDP ROMs and built an emulator to run that in Windows. This is untrue > and I would in fact consider that unethical. Mobius was a *lot* of > work. I have invested well over a thousand hours in it. Had I chosen > to make my usual consulting rate during those hours I could have made > a lot of money. Now I give it away for free for the benefit of > those that can't afford to spend thousands of dollars on hardware. > I'm sorry if you consider that unethical, I don't. > > And as I've said before, I really don't think Mobius is affecting the > sales of EDPs at all. Based on some of the feedback I get I've > probably even sold a few EDPs for you. There are plenty of people out > there that are curious about the EDP but they're not going to spend > a thousand dollars to find out. Now they can get a pretty good idea, > but for all the reasons you so eloquently point out they don't > want to deal with a laptop on stage. So they decide to buy an EDP. > You're welcome. > > I have an enormous amount of admiration for the EDP designers. This > device quite literally changed my life. It saddens me that Mobius > irritates some of you, but I honestly cannot understand how it > adversely affects you in any way. No one else was going to do this, > it is incredibly difficult and you can't make money selling it. > This is my hobby, I build the things I want and if there are other > tone deaf rhythmically challenged amateurs that like it too, well > fine I get some karma points. > > Warmly, > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 21:46:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23E943BF64; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:46:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <43540DBF.50307@sun.com> References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <6.1.2.0.2.20051016212436.04824490@loopers-delight.com> <43540DBF.50307@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <04A37C63-F9FB-4AF6-920E-4943651EDB12@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Amplify And Switch! ;-) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 23:46:21 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:46:25 +0000 (UTC) Isn't this a funny little movie? http://www.pbs.org/transistor/quicktimes/history/trans_sm/ trans_sm_MSTR.mov For optimal amusement, watch it three to four times in a row. per :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 21:53:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0FA43BF6E; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:53:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pMW6u4W1X7+Pl66k0E4WL5EYAuP2z6X7N9B7dEqM3aSgMU6y1EJXQflmFRsz88h72F0QrYTKgIwhzgJxsIkhE5bTDVS5eNEMEHv0go26YOU7hqj4Z31eyHHogL7ihxU5xposmmnPo125tMmNTSQGpM46vWR10kRW/jLIQov+Wdk= ; Message-ID: <20051017215356.40819.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 14:53:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Defining "pro" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <009d01c5d305$3f2f2a40$0207a8c0@eluk1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:53:57 +0000 (UTC) very true never believed it but Behringer does have some pro products;-)the FCB1010 has proven to be reliable, and recently i was so impressed with the sound and price that i just bought their Vintager AC112 tube amp for 280.-eur which sounds incredible and a lot better than a lot of expensive boutique tube amps out there! (P.S.just dont use its integrated effects) Luis > > > Just have been searching at a local music store's > website for the word > > "pro". 1544 hits. Some examples: > > > > * lots of Behringer stuff (I think all the > rackmount ones) > > * a few Line6 products (the rackmount ones) > > * a few Mackie mixers > > * software (e.g. Logic Pro, Acid Pro) > > * different headphones (Sennheiser, Beyer, > Stanton) > > * turntable pickubs by Ortofon > > * a lowprice company named SM Pro Audio > > * a drumstick company named Pro Mark > > * a supercheap guitar pseudobrand named Pro Arte > > * a few products by Focusrite > > * a few products by K&M (stands) > > * amps by Ampeg > > * guitars by BC Rich > > * a cheap mike by Audio Technika > > * JBL speakers > > * a Furman power conditioner > > * speakers by Eminence > > * interfaces by Marian > > * entertainer keyboards by Korg > > * a few preamps by Fishman > > * PA cabinets by Dynacord > > * Vestax, Numark and Allen&Heath DJ mixers > > * a cheap €3k upright > > * DiMarzio, EMG, Seymour Duncan pickups > > * harmonicas by Hohner > > * stuff by Presonus > > * cheap speakers by Edirol > > * some in-ear phones by Ultimate Ears > > > > Summary: for some companies, "pro" means > "rackmount" - I think Behringer > > took the hint from Line6. For software, "Pro" > means the same program > > with more features. Higher quality? I don't think > so. For many > > companies, "pro" means targeted at DJs (see > Allen&Heath, Sennheiser and > > Beyerdynamic). for some companies, "pro" means > "cheap stuff with lots of > > features" (see Focusrite - they have some pro gear > all right, but it's > > not called "pro"). For Ampeg, similar to the > software companies, it > > seems to mean "lots of features". > > > > So we're as wise as before: Some companies never > call their products > > "pro", with these, you have a good chance to get > pro gear (ever seen a > > Rosetta Pro or SLAM Pro or GML 9500 Pro?). With > all the others, you > > never know... > > > > Rainer > > > > > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: stanitarium@earthlink.net > [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] > > Gesendet: Montag, 17. Oktober 2005 07:18 > > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Betreff: Re: Defining "pro" > > > > > > i think i saved this from the loopersdelight > archive-but dont have the > > poster's name: quote..."'Amateur' tradionally > meant "one who does > > something for the love of it" (from the Latin > amator-amatus:lover-to > > love) as opposed to the secular meaning of > 'professional' as "one who > > does something for gain." the term "professional" > has become so debased > > that whenever i see a product named w/ the prefix > "pro" i automatically > > assume it is inferior."...unquote > > > > dont know who wrote it, but its cool w/ me. > > s > > > >> Someone once told me... > >> > >> "A professional does for money what an amateur > does for the love of > >> it." > >> > >> Tony > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "sonic steph" > >> To: > >> Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 12:50 PM > >> Subject: Re: Defining "pro" > >> > >> > >>> Per Boysen a écrit : > >>> > >>>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> I completely agree with Travis' definition of > "pro". A funny > >>>> definition of amateur is one who calls himself > "pro" even though he > >>>> isn't able to make a living of his music. > >>> > >>> I guess it is not funny at all, but making a > living of music sounds > >>> completely elitist.. As this is only possible if > only few people > >>> produce music.. the disc industry make people > think that very few > >>> people are really talented, which is obviously > wrong, regarded to all > > > >>> the stuff you can hear on the net, on the metro > or wherever you > >>> listen to non commercial music.. so a pro to be > pro sounds to me more > > > >>> like a capitalistic bahaviour than a musical > one.. > >>> > >>> bye > >>> > >>> stephane > >>> > >>> -- > >>> > >>> > ___________________________________________________________ > >>> Musique, vidéo, radio indépendante (boycottez > les majors!) > >>> ----------------------- > >>> http://www.dadaprod.org > >>> > ___________________________________________________________ > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 21:57:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A5C03BF5F; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:57:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <02f301c5d363$c1dce730$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <6.1.2.0.2.20051016212436.04824490@loopers-delight.com> <43540DBF.50307@sun.com> <02f301c5d363$c1dce730$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 23:57:32 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:57:36 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 17, 2005, at 23:43, Kris Hartung wrote: > I just finally got Mobius set up with my laptop and Behringer > controller...I > can't tell any difference in timing between hitting the Record > button for > Mobius and hitting it for my EDPs. Maybe you use some quantization of the action? I can't run Mobius but I guess I'd like it that way because I like the EDP that way. Usually... > And when it comes to controlling my VST > effects via MIDI, in some cases it is faster than hardware. Midi IS already digital, so it just flows right into the software. The type of latency I have a problem with is the AD related latency. The time it takes for a device to transform my analog instrument signal into digital (ones and zero's). This calculation is not speed up much by faster processors in the computer. Besides, it is not a problem in praxis if you don't play through the computer, as I just wrote in a previous post. > Why such the black and white separation of PCs and pro audio hardware? I definitely agree! I like it better to play guitar through my solid- state based Gallien-Krueger than through my Sovtek tube top because it has less latency and very small and fast 10" built in speakers. It can't sound as warm and hot as the tube amp though. Can't get everything ;-) per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 22:07:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E34E3BF74; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:07:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <032c01c5d367$19f81c70$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <6.1.2.0.2.20051016212436.04824490@loopers-delight.com> <43540DBF.50307@sun.com> <02f301c5d363$c1dce730$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:07:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 351, in=143311, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:07:14 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" > On Oct 17, 2005, at 23:43, Kris Hartung wrote: > > > I just finally got Mobius set up with my laptop and Behringer > > controller...I > > can't tell any difference in timing between hitting the Record > > button for > > Mobius and hitting it for my EDPs. > > Maybe you use some quantization of the action? I can't run Mobius but > I guess I'd like it that way because I like the EDP that way. Usually... Surprisingly, I never use any quantize functions on the EDP, Mobius, etc. It bugs me. I like to control my own imperfections. :) > > And when it comes to controlling my VST > > effects via MIDI, in some cases it is faster than hardware. > > Midi IS already digital, so it just flows right into the software. > The type of latency I have a problem with is the AD related latency. > The time it takes for a device to transform my analog instrument > signal into digital (ones and zero's). This calculation is not speed > up much by faster processors in the computer. Besides, it is not a > problem in praxis if you don't play through the computer, as I just > wrote in a previous post. Yup..and that MIDI mate device you recommended to me is working great! I love the little red light. > per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 22:15:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C22E63BF7C; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:15:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <032c01c5d367$19f81c70$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <6.1.2.0.2.20051016212436.04824490@loopers-delight.com> <43540DBF.50307@sun.com> <02f301c5d363$c1dce730$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <032c01c5d367$19f81c70$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 00:15:17 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:15:21 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 18, 2005, at 0:07, Kris Hartung wrote: >> On Oct 17, 2005, at 23:43, Kris Hartung wrote: > Surprisingly, I never use any quantize functions on the EDP, > Mobius, etc. It > bugs me. I like > to control my own imperfections. :) Not even Rounding? - p From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 22:25:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 586233BF78; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:25:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <035301c5d369$ac7765e0$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Fw: Your Download.com Video submission has been reviewed Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:25:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.487000 Have you been turned down?=1.3,Hidden (professional) (profeslo)=1.2 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 353, in=147435, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <77iqxD.A.0wC.aTCVDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:25:31 +0000 (UTC) I've been turned down!!! Download.com just started taking video submissions, and I already three of my songs on their audio page which do great and get a lot of listeners...so I thought, what the hell, I would try to submit my live looping videos, which were shot professionaally and are of decent quality. Based on the email below, I guess my videos DON'T appeal to a wide range of users, etc. This makes me sooooo happy, that my live looping is not popular enough to meet download.com standards. Yeah right... :) Hilarious....they didn't even have a genre that fit what I was doing on video. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 4:13 PM Subject: Your Download.com Video submission has been reviewed > Greetings Krispen > > Thank you very much for submitting Alice in Cyberspace (6483) to CNET Download.com Video. We strive to offer content that will appeal to a wide range of users and also meet our editorial standards, and with this in mind, we give careful consideration to all submissions. > > After reviewing your submission, the Download.com Video editors have decided not to post it at this time. We thank you for your effort, and we encourage you to continue submitting new material for consideration in the future. > > Thank you, > CNET_Dave > Download.com Video > http://video.download.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 22:34:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86F803BF88; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:34:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20051017150819.043f6e30@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:34:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius In-Reply-To: References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <6.1.2.0.2.20051016212436.04824490@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <60Hr0D.A.WFD.lbCVDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:34:13 +0000 (UTC) At 02:23 PM 10/17/2005, Per Boysen wrote: >This is interesting: The other day I was discussing latency with one >of my live looping students and this percussionist did not see it as >a problem because "in classical training you must learn to adjust the >general timing of your playing" (to compensate for natural latency in >the big concert hall with audience, different instrument groups and >the director spread out over a large area, thus not hearing an >acoustic sound at the same time). Symphonic musicians have to adjust >for the best timing at the listeners position. Hi Per, that's true for a constant latency that doesn't change. As I said in my previous post, people can detect a latency between their playing and the resulting sound as low as 10ms. But musicians can adapt to this fixed latency and compensate for it, just as your percussionist student manages to do in the concert hall. It might not "feel" as good, but the musician can still play successfully. The difficulty with a non-real time system is it cannot guarantee a constant latency between an event and execution of the corresponding function. There is some variation, or jitter to the latency. For your percussionist, this is like being randomly teleported to a different spot in the hall every time he strikes the drum. How can he adapt to that? If he teleports within a small enough radius, he will be ok. Even the best musician can't notice less than 1ms of latency jitter. But another problem with a non-real-time system is it cannot guarantee a maximum latency. So most things happen around the time he expects, but there is some random probability at any time that something will happen significantly later, and his drum strike that time will be well out of rhythm. He can't adapt to that because it is unpredictable, and he will be annoyed. That's the big issue between real-time electronic musical instruments and non-real-time ones. >But myself, I'm not >good at that. To me all the joy of playing just isn't there when my >instrument sounds later - or earlier - than I'm used to. I've always >used small guitar amps close to me on stage and like to practice >saxophone against a flat glossy painted wall (yellow sounds best... >he, he.... just kidding ;-) I don't like latency afflicted hardware >either, for example the Line-6 POD 1. Yes, I hear you on that. I spent an unhealthy amount of time as a youth trying to be Al DiMeola. My guitar picking technique got very precise, and as a result I seem to have tuned myself very well to hearing these tiny latencies. That's about all I got out it though. In retrospect it seems like I could have done something more interesting with all those hours every day after high school I spent practicing scales. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 17 22:48:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FF593BF80; Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:48:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051017150819.043f6e30@loopers-delight.com> References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <6.1.2.0.2.20051016212436.04824490@loopers-delight.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20051017150819.043f6e30@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 00:48:11 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: <8W-HEC.A.QcD.uoCVDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:48:15 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 18, 2005, at 0:34, Kim Flint wrote: > As I said in my previous post, people can detect a latency between > their playing and the resulting sound as low as 10ms. But musicians > can adapt to this fixed latency and compensate for it, just as your > percussionist student manages to do in the concert hall. It might > not "feel" as good, but the musician can still play successfully. That's not for me. Since I'm an amateur I need to feel good by the music I play ;-) > Al DiMeola. Ouch! I bought his records when they first came out but I really couldn't relate to the type of music he played. It didn't bring any feeling into my heart. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 00:01:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B19D23BF7B; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 00:01:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <839b7cd955ba6051dffcf34d5504daac@suitandtieguy.com> References: <7C26ABB2A1C0FF98C35AAC2F@[192.168.1.110]> <839b7cd955ba6051dffcf34d5504daac@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: A little longer than I originally expected, but... Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:57:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: <5c98zD.A.h8E.TtDVDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 00:01:23 +0000 (UTC) > > who wants to place bets on Bob getting us product in hands before > the "new" electrix? My thoughts exactly. Please keep us posted on all the details, specs, pricing, etc. Thank you, Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 02:19:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 581023BF71; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 02:19:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:19:20 -0800 Subject: Re: Building a rackmount DiMeola From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 02:19:46 +0000 (UTC) > On Oct 18, 2005, at 0:34, Kim Flint wrote: >> Al DiMeola. > > Ouch! I bought his records when they first came out but I really > couldn't relate to the type of music he played. It didn't bring any > feeling into my heart. > Greetings from Sweden >> Per Boysen Dimeola pre solo artist time when he was the replacement for Bill Connors in ReturnToForever was great stuff imo-course he was following a true guitarman in Connors who after that never quite got the accolades i think he still deserves...ymmv s (there are some great music biz stories about how Al and JeanLucPonty hated each other during that band they were in w/ StanleyClarke-talk about D*I*V*A*) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 02:56:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C03E3BF6D; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 02:56:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Tim Thompson" To: Subject: RE: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new addition) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 19:56:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 In-Reply-To: <018301c5d355$eda7b880$a0558304@hppav> Thread-Index: AcXTi4loHmO7OhtnQY6GgMqxqfFs+gAAx1Kg Message-Id: <20051018025657.5F6C23BF66@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 02:56:58 +0000 (UTC) > This is the link for more info about hoops. > http://nosuchmedia.com/tjt/hoops/ > It's included in the latest version of keykit. It's in the latest version, but undocumented. If you use a PC, and are willing to do a bit of email back and forth in order to get it explained, configured, and working on your machine, send email to tjt-hoops@nosuch.com. ...Tim... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 03:19:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBB433BF6A; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 03:19:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Tim Thompson" To: "'Kris Hartung'" , Subject: RE: sound mangling... Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:19:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 In-Reply-To: <023001c5d344$d10a30b0$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Thread-Index: AcXTi4EZYg7JO9I8QwWJeaNJKIR1pQABVKUA Message-Id: <20051018031911.4B2103BF66@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 03:19:11 +0000 (UTC) > a VST host and a key set of VST effects will > $#@!*&#@ your sound up more than anything I can think of > for a fraction of the price of multiple equivalent hardware units. Let's hear it for VST effects and $#@!*&#@ your sound up! As an extreme (and nerdy) example of this, I wrote a Python program which hosts VST plugins and randomizes the parameters of them while playing various wave files through them. The mp3 files here: http://nosuchmedia.com/tjt/bm/radio/ show examples of the audio that this can produce. I'd be interested to know of any live VST-hosting environments that can randomize VST effect parameters. It's easy to implement and can be lots of fun. ...Tim... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 03:57:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 510143BF8E; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 03:57:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <20051018031911.4B2103BF66@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051018031911.4B2103BF66@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4BE815E7-3F8B-11DA-B1DF-000A95C5FA68@pixar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: sound mangling... Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:57:26 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 03:57:35 +0000 (UTC) Time for my semi-annual "easy to program in Max/MSP" comment. -Alex On Oct 17, 2005, at 8:19 PM, Tim Thompson wrote: > > I'd be interested to know of any live VST-hosting environments > that can randomize VST effect parameters. It's easy > to implement and can be lots of fun. > > ...Tim... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 04:02:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D882B3BF91; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 04:02:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20051017231516.01f66b00@mail.wightman.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 00:02:48 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051016212436.04824490@loopers-delight.com> References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <6.1.2.0.2.20051016212436.04824490@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-2CE97DA4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 04:02:58 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Kim for this excellent explanation! I realize that many of the questions I may ask are "old hat" things for some of you, but they are new questions for me as a musician who has come from more of an acoustic background and has not been immersed in electronic gadgets. >While not quite so life-and-death critical, all electronic musical >instruments are similarly designed as Real-Time computer systems. The >hardware architecture is designed for real-time, it runs a Real-Time OS, >and the software applications and functions running on top are tuned to >this real-time environment. These electronic instruments are designed this >way because musicians care a lot about rhythmic accuracy, and they want >their instrument to respond in time so they don't get off the beat. I can certainly appreciate the whole issues of timing. Being a hammered dulcimer player, there just isn't any forgiveness as to where that note starts, a lot like a drum, the strike is on the beat or..... well you know. >And so this idea of making the PC do everything is kind of an old, yet >tired dream that keeps coming back. Isn' t it those unfulfilled dreams that keep creative people working, looking for some solution? I don't want or expect my pc to do everything.... So with my edp I can create loops, add to them, extend them, switch them around, overdub on top of. It's great I'm not putting that down. I just want to add the ability to make new loops that are synced and play along side but have independant control over the feedback, volume and panning. At the moment it looks like the only way to do that is by adding more loopers, or with a program like mobius. So maybe you guys could install mobius into an edp case and have the perfect loopstation..... What do you think? Or maybe that is what the looperlative is????? Paul Haslem From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 04:24:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 386763BF8F; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 04:24:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03a201c5d39b$e1d8ca80$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20051018031911.4B2103BF66@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: sound mangling... Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:24:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 351, in=143496, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 04:24:56 +0000 (UTC) Wow, that is is impressive. It indeed would be cool if there were a VST host like Chainer and EnergyXT (both of which I use) that could do this randomization. The only thing I have that is close to this is my Pluggo suite Feedback Network effect...I used it at Y2K5...it has random setting, but only within that VST effect, not applying to others. I think a few other of my VST effects have a random feature, but I can't recall off hand. I really like this idea, though. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Thompson" To: "'Kris Hartung'" ; Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 9:19 PM Subject: RE: sound mangling... > > a VST host and a key set of VST effects will > > $#@!*&#@ your sound up more than anything I can think of > > for a fraction of the price of multiple equivalent hardware units. > > Let's hear it for VST effects and $#@!*&#@ your sound up! > As an extreme (and nerdy) example of this, I wrote a Python program > which hosts VST plugins and randomizes the parameters of them > while playing various wave files through them. The mp3 files here: > > http://nosuchmedia.com/tjt/bm/radio/ > > show examples of the audio that this can produce. > I'd be interested to know of any live VST-hosting environments > that can randomize VST effect parameters. It's easy > to implement and can be lots of fun. > > ...Tim... > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 05:09:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29B903BF98; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 05:09:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GvosE0WJpyTzXuWAR5Hrnxt8etVajGpiB/uJrPL0/tHY0KgKwAfUo6Ee3oKOApmSlLMoJGXjwvEk4aK26c9qkQw2sD/q4hPYbFo1+RERSDE/GwccfbEX9e8aOgZMWFvqfWCxT+XXsBv1EdC723VxaQlEFAyLN0GZ2pqvOOzcB5w= ; Message-ID: <20051018050938.30242.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 22:09:38 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Behold! An instrument with the looper built right in! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <03a201c5d39b$e1d8ca80$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 05:09:40 +0000 (UTC) Hey, my friend sent me this link: http://www.cpcarts.org/kitundu/instruments.html Nice eh? Mark __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 06:19:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 404E83BEE7; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 06:19:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 02:28:15 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: two looping shows this week in North Carolina Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 06:19:31 +0000 (UTC) I'm playing two shows this week in North Carolina: a) solo spooky looping theremin prior to opening night of a stage production of William James' ghost story "The Turn of the Screw", in Greensboro NC on Thursday night. b) duo of acoustic cello with effects and loops (Line 6 DL4), and electric upright arachnobass with lots of effects and loopers (Akai Headrush E1, Boss RC-20 LoopStation [non-XL], Digitech Jamman), in Chapel Hill NC on Saturday night. Details and websites below. thanks, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html ############################################# Date: 20 October (Thursday). Time: 6:45pm-7:25pm. The play begins at 7:30pm. Location: Triad Stage Theatre, 232 S. Elm Street Greensboro, NC 27401 http://www.triadstage.org/ What: Me playing solo spooky theremin in the theatre lobby. Cost: Ticket for the play for opening night of the ghost story play "The Turn of the Screw". URL for the play: http://www.triadstage.org/turn.cfm Date: 22 October (Saturday). Time: 10pm-11pm Location: Caffe Driade http://www.caffedriade.com/ What: Playing with Randy Pelosi as Cab Caligari (10pm) - acoustic cello and electric upright arachnobass, both with effects. We are playing as part of the Wandering Star Project show "Mixing Memory and Desire" featuring Lisa Ray (8pm) Projexorcism (9pm). The event is 8-11pm. Cost: No cover charge. URLs: Wandering Star Project http://lisa-ray.net/wsp/index.html Projexorcism http://www.multiultramedia.com/projexorcism_live.htm Cab Caligari http://www.subscapeannex.com/caligari/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 06:56:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A1043BF43; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 06:56:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <20051018031911.4B2103BF66@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051018031911.4B2103BF66@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: sound mangling... Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 08:56:42 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 06:56:47 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 18, 2005, at 5:19, Tim Thompson wrote: >> > I'd be interested to know of any live VST-hosting environments > that can randomize VST effect parameters. It's easy > to implement and can be lots of fun. > > ...Tim... Just want to add that Ableton Live can also randomize VST effect parameters. It's done by using "Follow Action" settings of "Clips". A "Clip" is a, mostly looping, chunk of control data (can be Audio or MIDI as well). The Follow Action will let you define a point in the loop where the playback is shifted to another Clip and you are also able to set the probability for this to occur and of course an alternative if the shift should not happen. The most useful alternative is to shifting playback for another clip is "replay from start" (of the same clip). Then it will again reach the point of the random action and maybe takes a different path from there. This is of course not total random because you have to load the Clips with curves for changing different VST parameters, but if you create enough such clips it gets quite non-predictable. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 08:52:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76BB13BEE4; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 08:52:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009601c5d3c1$3643f7a0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <6.1.2.0.2.20051016212436.04824490@loopers-delight.com> <43540DBF.50307@sun.com> <43540F1B.7030301@pdq.net> Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:52:02 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: <9RhRxB.A.rWB.4eLVDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 08:52:08 +0000 (UTC) I have to admit that, as a person who's never used an EDP much less seen one in person, I find it quite difficult to use Mobius, but understand if it's made for folks familiar with the EDP, that's pretty much a "by design" issue. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Cox" To: Sent: Monday, 17 October, 2005 21:52 PM Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius > Jeff, > > Mobius kicks ass. Period, end of story. > > I'd like to hear the stances of anyone who is "irritated" by Mobius? > Maybe I'll have to go back and read Kim's 3 page diatribe (do I *have* > to?) to see what you're referring to, but outside of Kim, who the hell > thinks Mobius is a bad idea?!?! > > Keep looping, bro. > Doug > > Jeff Larson wrote: > >> >> Yes, yes, the "non real-time" aspect of PCs has been beaten to death >> here. Sure it is a concern, but frankly it is overblown. Time will >> tell. I do however completely agree that purpose built hardware will >> be better than a general purpose computer attempting to do the same >> thing. No question. Unfortunately, no one makes hardware that >> does what I want so I'm forced to use a computer. It is a sad, sad >> existence. Pity me. Luckily I'm not "pro" :-) >> >> >> It would cost what, 12 or 13 thousand to duplicate what mobius will do >> >> with edp units! and that doesn't even consider the nightmare of trying >> >> to wire up and control 16 edp's >> > >> > Well, you also have to consider the whole ethical dilemma there, and >> > what your conscience allows. >> >> Ok I'll bite. Ethical dilemma? Oh I get it, did I "steal" your ideas? >> Well, they weren't hard to steal, they were all published quite nicely. >> Everyone on this list whines about how manufacturers aren't listening >> to the looping community by failing to incorporate some popular feature >> into their product. If they did would that be stealing? Do you >> own the concept of "multiply"? >> >> Some people believe I somehow copied the actual assembly code off the >> EDP ROMs and built an emulator to run that in Windows. This is untrue >> and I would in fact consider that unethical. Mobius was a *lot* of >> work. I have invested well over a thousand hours in it. Had I chosen >> to make my usual consulting rate during those hours I could have made >> a lot of money. Now I give it away for free for the benefit of >> those that can't afford to spend thousands of dollars on hardware. >> I'm sorry if you consider that unethical, I don't. >> >> And as I've said before, I really don't think Mobius is affecting the >> sales of EDPs at all. Based on some of the feedback I get I've >> probably even sold a few EDPs for you. There are plenty of people out >> there that are curious about the EDP but they're not going to spend >> a thousand dollars to find out. Now they can get a pretty good idea, >> but for all the reasons you so eloquently point out they don't >> want to deal with a laptop on stage. So they decide to buy an EDP. >> You're welcome. >> >> I have an enormous amount of admiration for the EDP designers. This >> device quite literally changed my life. It saddens me that Mobius >> irritates some of you, but I honestly cannot understand how it >> adversely affects you in any way. No one else was going to do this, >> it is incredibly difficult and you can't make money selling it. >> This is my hobby, I build the things I want and if there are other >> tone deaf rhythmically challenged amateurs that like it too, well >> fine I get some karma points. >> >> Warmly, >> Jeff >> >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 09:21:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FE9C3BEF9; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:21:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <3E018B24-4AAD-4DE5-A86C-6EDC5DAEAE9C@boysen.se> References: <95D11B4C-3422-4FF3-9B8B-B95426774EEF@student.umu.se> <3E018B24-4AAD-4DE5-A86C-6EDC5DAEAE9C@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <703EFC6C-80D7-4124-83B2-CD906515390F@student.umu.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Daniel Fredriksson Subject: Re: foot-controller with Live 4 help? Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:21:32 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: <4HNTPD.A.q6B.m6LVDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:21:42 +0000 (UTC) Hej Per! Du hj=E4lpte mig med en live/BFC1010 fr=E5ga f=F6r ett tag = sedan =20 (se nedan). Kanske kan du t=E4nka dig att hj=E4lpa mig =E4ven denna = g=E5ng? =20 Jag har s=F6kt p=E5 live-forumet men inte hittat n=E5got svar p=E5 = fr=E5gan. N=E4r jag fick hj=E4lp av dig hade jag ju =E4nnu inte f=E5tt pedalen = utan =20 "=F6vade" p=E5 min midikeyboard. Nu har den kommit och funkar bra men = jag =20 har fortfarande lite problem med toggle-grejen. Jag f=E5r samma =20 notv=E4rde fr=E5n alla pedaler p=E5 "off". ON s=E5 heter noten ex 1/c#2, = d=E4r =20 blir det ju olika f=F6r alla olika pedaler. OFF f=E5r jag "6/0" p=E5 = alla. =20 D=E4rf=F6r s=E5 kan jag bara mappa en kanal till off... Hmm. Nu m=E4rker jag att det inte funkar med keyboarden heller, fast =20 det gick bra f=F6rut...=E4r det n=E5got annat i live f=F6rutom "toggle" = som =20 ska vara inst=E4llt f=F6r att clipsen ska st=E4ngas av och s=E4ttas p=E5 = =20 varannan g=E5ng? Tacksam f=F6r din hj=E4lp! Ha det fint! /Daniel www.godrun.com www.silkwood.se 6 sep 2005 kl. 22.11 skrev Per Boysen: > On Sep 6, 2005, at 21:10, Daniel Fredriksson wrote: > > >> So that's my question - is it possible to make a setup in live so =20 >> that the same button on a midi-controller, most specific the =20 >> FCB1010, turns a clip on and off? >> > > Yes. You map the MIDI message to the clip. If you set the clip's =20 > launch preferences to "Toggle" it will start when you step on the =20 > pedal (sending that MIDI msg) and it will stop the next time you do =20= > it. In Toggle launch mode clips work just like a light switch =20 > button: If it is ON a button press will turn it OFF and if it is =20 > OFF the same button press will turn in ON. > > A very good place to learn and get help on Live is the Live forum: > http://www.ableton.com/forum/ > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > Daniel Fredriksson daniel@silkwood.se www.silkwood.se From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 14:12:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BD8A3BEE9; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:12:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <040301c5d3ee$05a2ce00$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <6.1.2.0.2.20051016212436.04824490@loopers-delight.com> <43540DBF.50307@sun.com> <43540F1B.7030301@pdq.net> <009601c5d3c1$3643f7a0$0207a8c0@eluk1> Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 08:12:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 352, in=143614, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:12:55 +0000 (UTC) That's basically it, Stephen. It has taken me long enough just to figure out how to use my EDPs at a basic level. Having a piece of software that operates on similar usability principles is a wonderful thing when your hair is getting greyer by the day and it is more difficult to remember things. :) Sometimes I wish the EDP manual were in HTML format though, so that I could jump from one topic to another instantly, cross-reference via links throughout the text, etc....and I don't mean PDF, unless it were generated properly with hyperlinks. Kim, what is the source text format for the manual? Mabye we can find a volunteer to do the conversion. Heck, maybe if I find myself with time on my hands this winter, I'll do it....afterall, I was a technical writer for HP several years ago. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Goodman" > I have to admit that, as a person who's never used an EDP much less seen one > in person, I find it quite difficult to use Mobius, but understand if it's > made for folks familiar with the EDP, that's pretty much a "by design" > issue. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Cox" > To: > Sent: Monday, 17 October, 2005 21:52 PM > Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the > Receptor for Mobius > > > > Jeff, > > > > Mobius kicks ass. Period, end of story. > > > > I'd like to hear the stances of anyone who is "irritated" by Mobius? > > Maybe I'll have to go back and read Kim's 3 page diatribe (do I *have* > > to?) to see what you're referring to, but outside of Kim, who the hell > > thinks Mobius is a bad idea?!?! > > > > Keep looping, bro. > > Doug > > > > Jeff Larson wrote: > > > >> > >> Yes, yes, the "non real-time" aspect of PCs has been beaten to death > >> here. Sure it is a concern, but frankly it is overblown. Time will > >> tell. I do however completely agree that purpose built hardware will > >> be better than a general purpose computer attempting to do the same > >> thing. No question. Unfortunately, no one makes hardware that > >> does what I want so I'm forced to use a computer. It is a sad, sad > >> existence. Pity me. Luckily I'm not "pro" :-) > >> > >> >> It would cost what, 12 or 13 thousand to duplicate what mobius will do > >> >> with edp units! and that doesn't even consider the nightmare of trying > >> >> to wire up and control 16 edp's > >> > > >> > Well, you also have to consider the whole ethical dilemma there, and > >> > what your conscience allows. > >> > >> Ok I'll bite. Ethical dilemma? Oh I get it, did I "steal" your ideas? > >> Well, they weren't hard to steal, they were all published quite nicely. > >> Everyone on this list whines about how manufacturers aren't listening > >> to the looping community by failing to incorporate some popular feature > >> into their product. If they did would that be stealing? Do you > >> own the concept of "multiply"? > >> > >> Some people believe I somehow copied the actual assembly code off the > >> EDP ROMs and built an emulator to run that in Windows. This is untrue > >> and I would in fact consider that unethical. Mobius was a *lot* of > >> work. I have invested well over a thousand hours in it. Had I chosen > >> to make my usual consulting rate during those hours I could have made > >> a lot of money. Now I give it away for free for the benefit of > >> those that can't afford to spend thousands of dollars on hardware. > >> I'm sorry if you consider that unethical, I don't. > >> > >> And as I've said before, I really don't think Mobius is affecting the > >> sales of EDPs at all. Based on some of the feedback I get I've > >> probably even sold a few EDPs for you. There are plenty of people out > >> there that are curious about the EDP but they're not going to spend > >> a thousand dollars to find out. Now they can get a pretty good idea, > >> but for all the reasons you so eloquently point out they don't > >> want to deal with a laptop on stage. So they decide to buy an EDP. > >> You're welcome. > >> > >> I have an enormous amount of admiration for the EDP designers. This > >> device quite literally changed my life. It saddens me that Mobius > >> irritates some of you, but I honestly cannot understand how it > >> adversely affects you in any way. No one else was going to do this, > >> it is incredibly difficult and you can't make money selling it. > >> This is my hobby, I build the things I want and if there are other > >> tone deaf rhythmically challenged amateurs that like it too, well > >> fine I get some karma points. > >> > >> Warmly, > >> Jeff > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 14:59:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 339AC3BEEC; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:59:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:04:18 -0500 (CDT) From: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-X-Sender: smaug@pine.servidores.unam.mx To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Defining "pro" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <000b01c5d269$b3c30a30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:59:33 +0000 (UTC) What's the LUG list?? :-) Andy On Sun, 16 Oct 2005, Ken Higgins wrote: > Hi, > > As a mostly-lurker here, I defer to just about everyone's greater > musical experience on this list. Per is one whose postings I read > regularly (here and on the LUG list), as his posts are usually quite > enlightened. > > But now we're on dangerous ground. I'd like to respectfully disagree > with Per and Travis. > > In my book, it's a matter of dedication, focus, intent and sustained > follow-through (i.e. over years) that defines a Pro. > > Travis said, > > "Turning pro" usually means "I've quit my day job". > > If you've got a W-2 with something other than "musician" > > listed on it, you're semi-pro. > > >Hi, > > > >I completely agree with Travis' definition of "pro". A funny > >definition of amateur is one who calls himself "pro" even though he > >isn't able to make a living of his music. > > > >Per > > Hmm. That sounds like the definition of a "commercially successful" > musician. Not a MUSICALLY successful musician. I detest a large > majority of 'pop music'. Much of the FM dial is a wasteland (cliche, > but true). > > > Ranier wrote: > > Still I understand your point relating to "pro" how your life plan > > works, as opposed to how good you are, although this gives the pro > > abbreviation a meaning closer related to "profitable"... > > Exactly. The 'market' does not inherently reward the worthy. > > Some of my favorite musicians still have a 'day job' to make ends > meet. Even though two of them have multiple CDs out, and not > released on their own personal/indy label, either. Their music just > isn't what the big labels are looking for. And it doesn't sell for > wedding or bars, either. Which is why I have to take Per to task for > his, "even though he isn't able to make a living of his music", > because these guys are _trying_ as hard as they can. They are > talented. And they're smart self-promoters, too. > > It's more accurate to say that a majority of the listening market > isn't "able to appreciate them". > > To me, a Professional Musician is one who is 'walking the talk' and > _truly attempting_ to make his living with his music. If he/she is > dedicated to their craft and trying to 'make it', and is staying true > to their inner musical voice/intent/vision, then they are a Pro. > > OTOH, if they are a dabbler or music is simply a glorified hobby, > THEN they are obviously not a Pro. > And I've seen some really crappy 'artists' who were $$$ successful. > Pro? I don't think so. > > Once again, my $0.02 > > Ken > > P.S. How good or expensive their equipment is (or is not) has very > little to do with their results, either. I do agree with many of the > comments on how to distinguish between pro quality hardware, and > semi-pro hardware that were in this thread. But haven't we all seen > someone do an incredible set with a crappy guitar and a DL-4? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 17:08:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C82C3BEE4; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:08:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: <000b01c5d269$b3c30a30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <435284CA.7000104@dadaprod.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Defining "pro" Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:08:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:08:20 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 16, 2005, at 12:07 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > "Professional" is more related to occupational status, not artistic > merit. my friend James McCaskey, official recordist of the Suit & Tie Guy Band, recently wrote this definition of professional: Professional, adj. As done by, or containing, one whose skill is in appearing competent. Professional, n. One who is skilled in appearing competent. Example: "Unfortunately, this will be costly to finish. It looks like you were dealing with a bunch of professionals." maybe it related to this discussion, maybe not. i can't tell. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 18:17:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C9D93BEF6; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:17:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:17:09 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius In-reply-to: <009601c5d3c1$3643f7a0$0207a8c0@eluk1> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43553C25.6080700@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <6.1.2.0.2.20051016212436.04824490@loopers-delight.com> <43540DBF.50307@sun.com> <43540F1B.7030301@pdq.net> <009601c5d3c1$3643f7a0$0207a8c0@eluk1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:17:23 +0000 (UTC) Stephen Goodman wrote: > I have to admit that, as a person who's never used an EDP much less seen > one in person, I find it quite difficult to use Mobius, but understand > if it's made for folks familiar with the EDP, that's pretty much a "by > design" issue. Yes, I hear this a lot. Something I've considered doing is providing alternative UIs or "skins" that hide the bulk of the functionality and make it look like a simpler device such as a JamMan or Boomerang. Associating MIDI commands with functions also needs to be made much simpler. I'm not sure when I will get to that though, right now I'm busy stealing pitch shifting ideas from the Repeater. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 18:23:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 319803BEFC; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:23:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BdwEuId+YSI5sLi8Tcpt5V2ktfHr04XNTAJJYLGQrs7NFWEvxubCpeZtj3BkN9qe7gxnFWcrpa8xVKY/WnNYNNmW7x5Sr5yDcppJjYTIvpTV2VCKZBTC8mUDvPXZeMWAE8YNGr68aKXNmek6mei6qcWQJpPKhqX3uDQCi6JEdM4= Message-ID: <588ce11d0510181123m7161eef9hc8cfe674b3d446b0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:23:21 -0700 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius In-Reply-To: <43553C25.6080700@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <6.1.2.0.2.20051016212436.04824490@loopers-delight.com> <43540DBF.50307@sun.com> <43540F1B.7030301@pdq.net> <009601c5d3c1$3643f7a0$0207a8c0@eluk1> <43553C25.6080700@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:23:24 +0000 (UTC) Cool! On 10/18/05, Jeff Larson wrote: > Stephen Goodman wrote: > > I have to admit that, as a person who's never used an EDP much less see= n > > one in person, I find it quite difficult to use Mobius, but understand > > if it's made for folks familiar with the EDP, that's pretty much a "by > > design" issue. > > Yes, I hear this a lot. Something I've considered doing is providing > alternative UIs or "skins" that hide the bulk of the functionality and > make it look like a simpler device such as a JamMan or Boomerang. > Associating MIDI commands with functions also needs to be made much simpl= er. > I'm not sure when I will get to that though, right now I'm busy > stealing pitch shifting ideas from the Repeater. > > Jeff > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 18:35:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FCB83BEF3; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:35:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20051018143551.i9sln9z4so4ksg8w@www.wightman.ca> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:35:51 -0400 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <6.1.2.0.2.20051016212436.04824490@loopers-delight.com> <43540DBF.50307@sun.com> <43540F1B.7030301@pdq.net> <009601c5d3c1$3643f7a0$0207a8c0@eluk1> <43553C25.6080700@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <43553C25.6080700@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.clifford X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-29.5 required=8.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME=0.5, RCVD_IP_216_110_224=-30 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 Resent-Message-ID: <2U4jfD.A.Dc.OCUVDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:35:59 +0000 (UTC) I was talking with one of the techs here in the hospital about how this email thread is going, he laughed. Seems we have lots of "life or death" computer based systems running off of dedicated computers. Jeff, I finally had time to look at that latency problem I was having, I was running the program in energyxt but also had a couple of other vst effects going at the same time. Most notably, guitar rig, which seems to be a real cpu hog. Then I also had my dulcimer going through on a seperate channel and running through an equalizer. I've found that if I cut down on the vst programs it was working fine. Keep working, we're all looking forward to what the next version will be able to do. Paul Haslem Ontario, Canada Quoting Jeff Larson : > Stephen Goodman wrote: >> I have to admit that, as a person who's never used an EDP much less >> seen one in person, I find it quite difficult to use Mobius, but >> understand if it's made for folks familiar with the EDP, that's >> pretty much a "by design" issue. > > Yes, I hear this a lot. Something I've considered doing is providing > alternative UIs or "skins" that hide the bulk of the functionality and > make it look like a simpler device such as a JamMan or Boomerang. > Associating MIDI commands with functions also needs to be made much simpler. > I'm not sure when I will get to that though, right now I'm busy > stealing pitch shifting ideas from the Repeater. > > Jeff > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 18:37:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E96533BEF9; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:37:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=HqKbXVzGvG0td9v/TKCTzwZg6jsuq33eXkB6/emR/XGoAR+o4tR6suxEEe1j9sbZbXMifYsqbY/ZABtrLvBB3qQmsMUiY8IR60n4ppi4aRlUosSiK7Amd08NlDbIH0/B4jByupIAYa0M3R+vSTcQybHN/WP9GSr3eyZX/SuEo6I= ; Message-ID: <20051018183742.57481.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:37:41 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Defining "pro" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <1YWhEC.A.Vh.7DUVDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:37:47 +0000 (UTC) I'll go with that definition... but why do we care? For a while I attempted doing the professional original pop/rock band. It was finally starting to pay off... and then our drummer got wooed away from us by a very popular country band. Even though we were booking a decent number of paying gigs a month there was no way we could match the country band. They paid him to rehearse! For a short while, as we looked for a replacement, our lead guitarest sat in on drums. That wasn't really working as I was having trouble doing vocals and playing the lead parts I wanted to hear. Then our bass player quit due to marital problems... and I went out and bought an Ensoniq TS-10 workstation keyboard... a JamMan was soon to follow. The band disolved... and I was never happier! It was so liberating! I was so focused on attaining my "dream" that it hadn't occured to me that I wasn't even enjoying it. Keeping the band together, making our set list accessable to enough people to gather the cash to pay the manditory PA/Engineer fee clubs in Ithaca NY had adopted (who generally sucked so hard it's amazing! Look at me! I'm a trust fund baby who got some cash and bought some PA gear! I'm now your engineer!) So anyway, I quickly realized that even if I'd continued, I didn't like it much. Not my style. I hate traveling and honestly don't enjoy playing live much. Mostly it's due to the fact that I really love the improv thing and find that 90% of the time I can't hear well due to bad stage mixes/conditions. So that's me. Your milage may vary. I totally admire people like Rick who love this life and stick it out to attain a level of financial reward, that's not me. I lack the steel. However, I can make 4 times as much as my Berklee school of Music grad brother in a year doing Media design to his pro music life and I never ever ever have to play Mustang Sally. I do however have to sell out in my own way...(oh believe me I do!) but for some reason I can handle that. I do not take requests well in the music world but I'm willing to to do anything some idiot CEO wants to his logo animation as long as there's a check at the end. I'm not judging at all... it's just the way things work in my world. Perhaps is I was more focused and skilled I could have made it... but I'm not. All I know is the fun and fulfillment I get from sitting in my studio coming up with some beats and looping over them is enough for me. Why is anyone here conserned with how we get our money? If you loop and you love it, that's all that matters. Mark --- Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > On Oct 16, 2005, at 12:07 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > "Professional" is more related to occupational > status, not artistic > > merit. > > my friend James McCaskey, official recordist of the > Suit & Tie Guy > Band, recently wrote this definition of > professional: > > Professional, adj. > > As done by, or containing, one whose skill is in > appearing competent. > > > Professional, n. > > One who is skilled in appearing competent. > > > Example: > > "Unfortunately, this will be costly to finish. It > looks like you were > dealing with a bunch of professionals." > > > > maybe it related to this discussion, maybe not. i > can't tell. > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 18:48:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5503B3BEFB; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:48:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GtRtYXogZqejix6zTdW9lAHa8+CgdY9oTRWPn+aVMg3bPH3oYWCtKtQ5XLSY2dHDx4AsFdxZu6ARL+jL2J+JY3jn2RbJ1+iceZapoKLz/YQfzGjr14pXnBFeeH0i5VCwTy4DqEQOfF8ZMD83i8dksm5YaXktD/bVgZ2dBW42xN0= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:48:57 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Defining "pro" In-Reply-To: <20051018183742.57481.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051018183742.57481.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 18:48:59 +0000 (UTC) It came from a discussion of tools and what was an acceptable tool, and what wasn't. The needs of a professional and an amateur have a lot in common, but not entirely, and in the ongoing discussion of what makes a good looping tool, the intended audience has to be considered and classified. TravisH On 10/18/05, mark sottilaro wrote: > I'll go with that definition... but why do we care? [snip] > Why is anyone here conserned with how we get our > money? If you loop and you love it, that's all that > matters. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 19:04:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E7423BF01; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:04:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,228,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="135377913:sNHT29343440" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20051018113129.010f2f88@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:03:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: ethics (was Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius) In-Reply-To: <43540DBF.50307@sun.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051016212436.04824490@loopers-delight.com> <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <6.1.2.0.2.20051016212436.04824490@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:04:00 +0000 (UTC) Take with a grain of a salt... The implied question wasn't one of legality - reverse engineering itself is not illegal (though I'm not sure if disassembly or decompilation make it so). The question implied was one of ethics. Is there an ethical issue here? The fact that Mobius took a lot of effort to create has no bearing. The fact that it was not built through disassembly is beside the point as well. It doesn't matter whether it is free or paid - again, no bearing. That lots of people like it is beside the point too. Are you saying that because you don't think Mobius negatively affects EDP sales, then there is no ethical dilemma? That would mean there is a question (which I'm not sure you agree there is) and the answer is measured in dollars? At 2005.10.17 01:46 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > > Well, you also have to consider the whole ethical dilemma there, and > > what your conscience allows. > >Ok I'll bite. Ethical dilemma? Oh I get it, did I "steal" your ideas? >Well, they weren't hard to steal, they were all published quite nicely. >Everyone on this list whines about how manufacturers aren't listening >to the looping community by failing to incorporate some popular feature >into their product. If they did would that be stealing? Do you >own the concept of "multiply"? > >Some people believe I somehow copied the actual assembly code off the >EDP ROMs and built an emulator to run that in Windows. This is untrue >and I would in fact consider that unethical. Mobius was a *lot* of >work. I have invested well over a thousand hours in it. Had I chosen >to make my usual consulting rate during those hours I could have made >a lot of money. Now I give it away for free for the benefit of >those that can't afford to spend thousands of dollars on hardware. >I'm sorry if you consider that unethical, I don't. > >And as I've said before, I really don't think Mobius is affecting the >sales of EDPs at all. Based on some of the feedback I get I've >probably even sold a few EDPs for you. There are plenty of people out >there that are curious about the EDP but they're not going to spend >a thousand dollars to find out. Now they can get a pretty good idea, >but for all the reasons you so eloquently point out they don't >want to deal with a laptop on stage. So they decide to buy an EDP. >You're welcome. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 19:08:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CB363BF12; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:08:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: <20051018183742.57481.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0d9b8273632d874fd435c88cd2e60461@fuse.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: Re: Defining "pro" Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:08:23 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:08:31 +0000 (UTC) i'll chime in briefly on what "pro" means to me in terms of gear. this issue has been sharpened recently by apple's purchase of eMagic's Logic software. for gear to be pro means a few things. if we leave this to audio hardware devices, i'll take for granted a level of usability that includes reasonable noise floor, etc. the two most important factors ( as someone who has been lucky enough to make a decent living as a recording artist/ performer) is that 1) it is roadworthy. that is to say that i can put it in a road case and take it across the ocean and when i power it on, it works. 2) that it has real live customer support. (this is where apple is dropping the ball with logic.. i could go on and on, but i won't...) sadly, two of my favorite pieces of gear failed in both areas. the EDP and the Repeater. i love them both dearly, but both have failed the test of reliability and customer support. once, the EDP refused to work at a festival in holland in front of 10,000 people. big drag... i still use the edp, but only with a backup. and only when i can live without it. has anyone looked into "bulletproofing" one of these things? making it really solid? just curious. ric hordinski On Oct 18, 2005, at 2:48 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > It came from a discussion of tools and what was an acceptable tool, > and what wasn't. The needs of a professional and an amateur have a > lot in common, but not entirely, and in the ongoing discussion of what > makes a good looping tool, the intended audience has to be considered > and classified. > > TravisH > > On 10/18/05, mark sottilaro wrote: >> I'll go with that definition... but why do we care? > > [snip] > >> Why is anyone here conserned with how we get our >> money? If you loop and you love it, that's all that >> matters. >> >> Mark >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 19:24:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C00813BF17; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:24:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mzQb7+1xPLMvlqTP1d8Huaeun/2+5FhlZCIjAjBo0IEcz6NEME/M7gqlO1abeB96QPgxtWELte6DjyGeNCWQ9rgqFpRVqcW6Ia9upi3sZV4KPjAAL1HkpZKDQKmlViCjrHsH+PhXv9cCuBhnwkvt8E+dXpDCysh6aDa+EuqCGMY= Message-ID: <588ce11d0510181224l469cf73fh6f59f3bb0e5a8d70@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:24:01 -0700 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ethics (was Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20051018113129.010f2f88@mail02.powweb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <6.1.2.0.2.20051016212436.04824490@loopers-delight.com> <43540DBF.50307@sun.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20051018113129.010f2f88@mail02.powweb.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:24:03 +0000 (UTC) I see the "ethical dilemma" as: If you come across good ideas, should you incorporate them in your own work? Hard to say where the line is. In the world of VST instruments, there are many software synths that model themselves on the architecture of popular hardware synths. Some of these seek the endorsement of the hardware maker and some don't. On a broad level, it seems obvious that if people didn't incorporate the good ideas of others into their work, we'd still be in the stone age (not to mention that the blues would not exist!) It probably makes sense that virtual instruments start as models of physical ones, but I'd expect the distance and differences between them to grow over time. On 10/18/05, Sean Echevarria wrote: > Take with a grain of a salt... > > The implied question wasn't one of legality - reverse engineering itself = is > not illegal (though I'm not sure if disassembly or decompilation make it = so). > > The question implied was one of ethics. > > Is there an ethical issue here? > > The fact that Mobius took a lot of effort to create has no bearing. > The fact that it was not built through disassembly is beside the point as= well. > It doesn't matter whether it is free or paid - again, no bearing. > That lots of people like it is beside the point too. > > Are you saying that because you don't think Mobius negatively affects EDP > sales, then there is no ethical dilemma? That would mean there is a > question (which I'm not sure you agree there is) and the answer is measur= ed > in dollars? > > > At 2005.10.17 01:46 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > > > Well, you also have to consider the whole ethical dilemma there, and > > > what your conscience allows. > > > >Ok I'll bite. Ethical dilemma? Oh I get it, did I "steal" your ideas? > >Well, they weren't hard to steal, they were all published quite nicely. > >Everyone on this list whines about how manufacturers aren't listening > >to the looping community by failing to incorporate some popular feature > >into their product. If they did would that be stealing? Do you > >own the concept of "multiply"? > > > >Some people believe I somehow copied the actual assembly code off the > >EDP ROMs and built an emulator to run that in Windows. This is untrue > >and I would in fact consider that unethical. Mobius was a *lot* of > >work. I have invested well over a thousand hours in it. Had I chosen > >to make my usual consulting rate during those hours I could have made > >a lot of money. Now I give it away for free for the benefit of > >those that can't afford to spend thousands of dollars on hardware. > >I'm sorry if you consider that unethical, I don't. > > > >And as I've said before, I really don't think Mobius is affecting the > >sales of EDPs at all. Based on some of the feedback I get I've > >probably even sold a few EDPs for you. There are plenty of people out > >there that are curious about the EDP but they're not going to spend > >a thousand dollars to find out. Now they can get a pretty good idea, > >but for all the reasons you so eloquently point out they don't > >want to deal with a laptop on stage. So they decide to buy an EDP. > >You're welcome. > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 19:46:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D78F3BF15; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:46:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BhS3nTJTIewLgOldKZdF7oPoxVhqbmUjrHQEKSkHfgvGu/spf6RLuOML7pyKeTjpVNgKKVjbtGIAJBjObJuHr2ceKKrkTbwM3Pl5ylE+tz/VJ+HEFb4qL696Ytmjs6YBjRRymFk/zij9C4H1rKGobohK67GtJHPnnLBfI/LjMaw= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 12:46:42 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Defining "pro" In-Reply-To: <0d9b8273632d874fd435c88cd2e60461@fuse.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051018183742.57481.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> <0d9b8273632d874fd435c88cd2e60461@fuse.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:46:44 +0000 (UTC) What did the problem turn out to be with the EDP when you travelled? TravisH On 10/18/05, monk wrote: > the two most important factors ( as someone who has been lucky enough > to make a decent living as a recording artist/ performer) is that > 1) it is roadworthy. that is to say that i can put it in a road case > and take it across the ocean and when i power it on, it works. > 2) that it has real live customer support. (this is where apple is > dropping the ball with logic.. i could go on and on, but i won't...) > > > sadly, two of my favorite pieces of gear failed in both areas. the EDP > and the Repeater. i love them both dearly, but both have failed the > test of reliability and customer support. once, the EDP refused to work > at a festival in holland in front of 10,000 people. big drag... > > i still use the edp, but only with a backup. and only when i can live > without it. > > > has anyone looked into "bulletproofing" one of these things? making it > really solid? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 19:47:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E83243BF06; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:47:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3797022d3cad5a4477ad0106394a4530@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Building a rackmount DiMeola Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:47:19 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:47:22 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 17, 2005, at 10:19 PM, The Stanitarium wrote: > (there are some great music biz stories about how Al and JeanLucPonty > hated > each other during that band they were in w/ StanleyClarke-talk about > D*I*V*A*) ever hear the real crazy organ trio album Ponty did with Daniel Humair and Eddie Louiss back in 68? holy crap it's nuts. Humair plays a crazy drum solo where part of it is dropping his cymbals on the floor. in addition to being nutty, it's also the best organ/violin/drums album i've ever heard ... --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 19:51:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6376B3BF24; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:51:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: <20051018183742.57481.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> <0d9b8273632d874fd435c88cd2e60461@fuse.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <528eb9ae832f6f382d05dcd9fe2e149c@fuse.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: Re: Defining "pro" Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:51:36 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:51:47 +0000 (UTC) i don't remember specifically, but i do remember paying to have it fixed by gibson and it to this day it is unreliable. it still does something weird where, if you leave it on for 5 or 6 hours, the output gets real low and distorted. it's a great tool, when it's working, but mine has been so unreliable that when my fellow musicians see it in my rack, i get quizzical looks all around. On Oct 18, 2005, at 3:46 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > What did the problem turn out to be with the EDP when you travelled? > > TravisH > > On 10/18/05, monk wrote: >> the two most important factors ( as someone who has been lucky enough >> to make a decent living as a recording artist/ performer) is that >> 1) it is roadworthy. that is to say that i can put it in a road case >> and take it across the ocean and when i power it on, it works. >> 2) that it has real live customer support. (this is where apple is >> dropping the ball with logic.. i could go on and on, but i won't...) >> >> >> sadly, two of my favorite pieces of gear failed in both areas. the EDP >> and the Repeater. i love them both dearly, but both have failed the >> test of reliability and customer support. once, the EDP refused to >> work >> at a festival in holland in front of 10,000 people. big drag... >> >> i still use the edp, but only with a backup. and only when i can live >> without it. >> >> >> has anyone looked into "bulletproofing" one of these things? making it >> really solid? >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 20:06:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 845733BF1A; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:06:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <528eb9ae832f6f382d05dcd9fe2e149c@fuse.net> References: <20051018183742.57481.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> <0d9b8273632d874fd435c88cd2e60461@fuse.net> <528eb9ae832f6f382d05dcd9fe2e149c@fuse.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Defining "pro" Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:06:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:06:48 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 18, 2005, at 2:51 PM, monk wrote: > i don't remember specifically, but i do remember paying to have it > fixed by gibson and it to this day it is unreliable. it still does > something weird where, if you leave it on for 5 or 6 hours, the > output gets real low and distorted. it's a great tool, when it's > working, but mine has been so unreliable that when my fellow musicians > see it in my rack, i get quizzical looks all around. by "fixed by gibson" what do you mean? EDPs do not normally behave like this. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 20:06:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB2DB3BF26; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:06:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:06:45 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: ethics (was Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius) In-reply-to: <5.2.1.1.0.20051018113129.010f2f88@mail02.powweb.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <435555D5.6040505@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051016212436.04824490@loopers-delight.com> <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <6.1.2.0.2.20051016212436.04824490@loopers-delight.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20051018113129.010f2f88@mail02.powweb.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:06:56 +0000 (UTC) Sean Echevarria wrote: > Are you saying that because you don't think Mobius negatively affects > EDP sales, then there is no ethical dilemma? That would mean there is a > question (which I'm not sure you agree there is) and the answer is > measured in dollars? I don't believe there would be an ethical dilemma even if Mobius were affecting EDP sales. The last time I checked that was called free market capitalism :-) Personally I might feel some guilt if that were the case, but I don't think it is unethical. I can understand why this might ruffle a few feathers, but once you've published an idea you no longer own it. You can own physical manifestations of that idea (code, copyrighted text) or the process by which an idea is manifested (patents) but not the idea itself. I'm sure someone will want to bring up software patents. I don't believe in them, they are vile and unethical. If I misrepresented the origin of those ideas, I might consider that unethical. Again not illegal, competing technology companies implement each others ideas all the time and they never bother to give each other credit. But I would have a problem with that. I think I'm fairly careful to point out which ideas are mine, and which aren't. If anyone thinks otherwise, please let me know what sort of pronouncements or disclaimers you think would be appropriate. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 20:12:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DBDE3BF22; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:12:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YMEjJ/b3pzjwthv/C0DKQb/3ovlXP1yEVqEAyD++NPEP8lPaE6dX4I9bmvBf8tbunwxOE7E+l6camR34mtRr+3wxR8Z6kTC0bLuejylk+XjWFm6ZrTmZxiTDj+Rh9EbY6GxQGJUlRm86fWf6R9K0F5URsXrjAaUxUzu114oREFs= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:12:37 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Defining "pro" In-Reply-To: <528eb9ae832f6f382d05dcd9fe2e149c@fuse.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051018183742.57481.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> <0d9b8273632d874fd435c88cd2e60461@fuse.net> <528eb9ae832f6f382d05dcd9fe2e149c@fuse.net> Resent-Message-ID: <_esb9C.A.HiD.2cVVDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:12:39 +0000 (UTC) Any problem that only manifests itself after it's been on for five or six hours sounds thermal related. Is it in a rack, and how warm is the gear around the EDP? TravisH On 10/18/05, monk wrote: > i don't remember specifically, but i do remember paying to have it > fixed by gibson and it to this day it is unreliable. it still does > something weird where, if you leave it on for 5 or 6 hours, the output > gets real low and distorted. it's a great tool, when it's working, but > mine has been so unreliable that when my fellow musicians see it in my > rack, i get quizzical looks all around. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 20:19:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B51713BF1F; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:19:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <435555D5.6040505@sun.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051016212436.04824490@loopers-delight.com> <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <6.1.2.0.2.20051016212436.04824490@loopers-delight.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20051018113129.010f2f88@mail02.powweb.com> <435555D5.6040505@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4c559ac3136b9314d216528503f38062@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: ethics (was Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius) Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:19:04 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:19:08 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 18, 2005, at 3:06 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > I can understand why this might ruffle a few feathers, but once you've > published an idea you no longer own it. You can own physical i'd like to point out that "Multiply", your example from earlier in this debate, was also used by Robert Fripp on the TC2290 around the same time that the EDP came out. Bob's not a gearhead, so i'm going to assume that the multiply trick on the 2290 (very carefully changing the delay time to a "multiple" of the current value by entering a new one on the numeric keypad) was taught to him by David Sylvian, who recommended the device to him in the first place, which would place that particular looping performance technique in square parallel to the Paradis LoopDelay. i could very well be wrong about this supposition, so anyone who knows better please step to the plate and correct me on this. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 20:19:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AC5A3BF3E; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:19:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XS5eWIEVYjMMTMiyNNSVRmOOGY8A86v8x9bMFVVnTIeTX1wF0xg7gX1pyDR3Vc2Icl9xnfCG0pwhQkr8zVQsFR2P4PkEvFpiK8W/hEbMeZKjXbD71UMXzDBdQnRGBIZfAOtTSAhdAovJFpTXZGJKRg/IOGtuLWhWD7igy3F86+U= ; Message-ID: <20051018201900.16043.qmail@web32515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:19:00 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: sharing and playing nice with your friends To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1186555050-1129666740=:15395" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:19:12 +0000 (UTC) --0-1186555050-1129666740=:15395 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hi. i know some of you computer savy folks have the capacity to copy software and share it with all your loopin friends.I care not about ethics here,in fact the opposite...I want to take from the companies who have takin us for so long,with their planned obsalessence, misinformation and cutting corners for the almighty dollor(im slighty jaded)hahaha! the only software i have for sharing is some old 90's stuff cracked by radium,but the price is right... P.S i bet if al dimeola put out an improvised all loop album...well...imagine... *<{,': }) Danny/scary visionary --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. --0-1186555050-1129666740=:15395 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    hi.
    i know some of you computer savy folks have the capacity to copy software and share it with all your loopin friends.I care not about ethics here,in fact the opposite...I want to take from the companies who have takin us for so long,with their planned obsalessence, misinformation and cutting corners for the almighty dollor(im slighty jaded)hahaha!
    the only software i have for sharing is some old 90's stuff cracked by radium,but the price is right...
    P.S i bet if al dimeola put out an improvised all loop album...well...imagine...
        *<{,': })  Danny/scary visionary

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Try it free. --0-1186555050-1129666740=:15395-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 20:35:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C4223BF19; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:35:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: <20051018183742.57481.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> <0d9b8273632d874fd435c88cd2e60461@fuse.net> <528eb9ae832f6f382d05dcd9fe2e149c@fuse.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7891f5912b8edc177789f3fa39302601@fuse.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: Re: Defining "pro" Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:35:37 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:35:44 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 18, 2005, at 4:06 PM, Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > by "fixed by gibson" what do you mean? i sent it back and paid them to fix it.. or am i misunderstanding the question? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 20:39:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10CB23BF37; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:39:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: <20051018183742.57481.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> <0d9b8273632d874fd435c88cd2e60461@fuse.net> <528eb9ae832f6f382d05dcd9fe2e149c@fuse.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9e242e9954f5713e2e362c29bf361b95@fuse.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: Re: Defining "pro" Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:39:26 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:39:31 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 18, 2005, at 4:12 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Any problem that only manifests itself after it's been on for five or > six hours sounds thermal related. Is it in a rack, and how warm is > the gear around the EDP? yeah, i get it. it is probably a thermal problem. but my point is that in ten years of use my pcm-70 has never done that, my other "pro" gear has been far more reliable; and when it isn't, the company helps me. that wasn't my experience with gibson. for the record it's in the top of a mesa-boogie shock rack (which has lots of space around it) with two empty rack spaces above it. below it is.. various things.. a pcm-70, a flash switcher.. but it exhibits this behaviour on a table-top as well. thanks ric hordinski From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 20:48:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 032E83BF26; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:48:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <9e242e9954f5713e2e362c29bf361b95@fuse.net> References: <20051018183742.57481.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> <0d9b8273632d874fd435c88cd2e60461@fuse.net> <528eb9ae832f6f382d05dcd9fe2e149c@fuse.net> <9e242e9954f5713e2e362c29bf361b95@fuse.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: Re: Defining "pro" Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:48:13 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:48:17 +0000 (UTC) also, does any touring pro really use one? i know lots of professional guitar players, many who use loops. i know lots of them own an EDP, but i don't know one who uses it in a live setting. i'm curious if anyone knows of someone? On Oct 18, 2005, at 4:39 PM, monk wrote: > > On Oct 18, 2005, at 4:12 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > >> Any problem that only manifests itself after it's been on for five or >> six hours sounds thermal related. Is it in a rack, and how warm is >> the gear around the EDP? > > yeah, i get it. it is probably a thermal problem. but my point is > that in ten years of use my pcm-70 has never done that, my other "pro" > gear has been far more reliable; and when it isn't, the company helps > me. that wasn't my experience with gibson. > > for the record it's in the top of a mesa-boogie shock rack (which has > lots of space around it) with two empty rack spaces above it. below it > is.. various things.. a pcm-70, a flash switcher.. but it exhibits > this behaviour on a table-top as well. > > > thanks > > > ric hordinski > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 20:52:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39E953BF35; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:52:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HE4kZjZ6TUqWdEtrgokcw7M9XxfuXtbqt6DPdo7qkrSr83ckRhNL/G2lYuRTweFz2RNtB/kHcsO8tFd7PgTejVzorPYgJbQtTsqCcbLS5W5R02NhzCq9mHa3MNj7xNGN6EK9VoeA0p3tc589kYxnWlC6dS3N4BHUy9nBo7t3Fw4= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:51:58 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Defining "pro" In-Reply-To: <9e242e9954f5713e2e362c29bf361b95@fuse.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051018183742.57481.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> <0d9b8273632d874fd435c88cd2e60461@fuse.net> <528eb9ae832f6f382d05dcd9fe2e149c@fuse.net> <9e242e9954f5713e2e362c29bf361b95@fuse.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:52:03 +0000 (UTC) Is it one of the Oberheim models? I believe those ran hotter (mine certainly did). I sent my oldest one in for a tuneup to Shane, and as I recall he ran down a list of improvements that had been made in the design over the years which he could retrofit, one of which was cooler-running power supply. I'd run a fan on the thing and see if still malfunctions after five or six hours. I was thinking about how one could beef up the edp the other day, but it seemed you'd have to know what tends to break. It seems that the SIMMS can be vibrated loose over time, hence the frequent advice to reseat them whien wacky behavior appears, and there's the thermal thing, but other than perhaps putting rubber shockmounts on the mounting posts for the board, nothing immediatley comes to mind. If I recall correctly, the rear connector jacks are soldered to the PCB, but there is strain relief from the mounting nuts so I'm not sure there's much to be done there. Again, a breakdown of what fails is needed to make it more roadworthy. And yes, it's never seemed that the EDP was Gibson's highest priority. TravisH On 10/18/05, monk wrote: > > On Oct 18, 2005, at 4:12 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > > Any problem that only manifests itself after it's been on for five or > > six hours sounds thermal related. Is it in a rack, and how warm is > > the gear around the EDP? > > yeah, i get it. it is probably a thermal problem. but my point is that > in ten years of use my pcm-70 has never done that, my other "pro" gear > has been far more reliable; and when it isn't, the company helps me. > that wasn't my experience with gibson. > > for the record it's in the top of a mesa-boogie shock rack (which has > lots of space around it) with two empty rack spaces above it. below it > is.. various things.. a pcm-70, a flash switcher.. but it exhibits this > behaviour on a table-top as well. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 20:54:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98DAF3BF3D; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:54:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YDWqSgoJHR9QXUGKHCcz4+sPXRKbjxSvjC+cLMv1G+UAHMzjXl/OuQVxXFbGR8xfn5iXUcRQ2as0sieCeDa9WrEhS0lhR4nkuNQ4tTynGwuVuuDfqrTz8eBX+f1LTyKpLDSMFP/9JHxz7rhVJpCMw6qkJmcvR1x4W7mpuGSaaZ8= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:54:24 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Defining "pro" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051018183742.57481.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> <0d9b8273632d874fd435c88cd2e60461@fuse.net> <528eb9ae832f6f382d05dcd9fe2e149c@fuse.net> <9e242e9954f5713e2e362c29bf361b95@fuse.net> Resent-Message-ID: <-BVqF.A.GPF.BEWVDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:54:25 +0000 (UTC) I believe Fripp is using a pair now, and I think Belew also. I know Neal Schon had one or two in his rack a few years back, but it's not commonly applicable piece of gear like a Lexicon reverb unit or what have you. TravisH On 10/18/05, monk wrote: > also, does any touring pro really use one? i know lots of professional > guitar players, many who use loops. i know lots of them own an EDP, but > i don't know one who uses it in a live setting. i'm curious if anyone > knows of someone? > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 21:22:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EFEB3BF3C; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:22:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:23:41 -0700 From: Bob Amstadt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A little longer than I originally expected, but... Message-ID: <852ADAD572C6D834B543F6EC@[192.168.1.110]> In-Reply-To: References: <7C26ABB2A1C0FF98C35AAC2F@[192.168.1.110]> <839b7cd955ba6051dffcf34d5504daac@suitandtieguy.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:22:42 +0000 (UTC) Been posting answers to the forum I put up on the Looperlative web site, but here is a brief list of features: - 1 stereo input - 3 stereo outputs (1 main output, and 2 sub-mix outputs) - MIDI interface primarily for connecting a footpedal remote controller - Ethernet interface for upgrades and computer interfacing - Front panel in the picture does not show the vacuum flourescent display turned on because my digital camera is incapable of capturing it because it is scanned. However, it is there for configuration and displaying current loop and track. - 8 stereo tracks per loop. Track 1 is the master track and the other tracks can be synchronous or asynchronous with it. Tracks can be individually turned on and off. This gives you both the ability to undo and redo. - Audio is sampled at 48kHz with 24-bit resolution. - Audio connectors are 1/4" unbalanced stereo connectors. - The DSP is fast enough to handle much more than just looping audio. I have plans to incorporate software-based effects into the unit after the looping features are mature. I've probably missed something. If you have further questions, feel free to ask them. I also will be arranging some time in November to be a pre-release viewing of one of the prototype units for those of you in or near San Jose. I'll keep everybody posted. --On Monday, October 17, 2005 6:57 PM -0500 Jeff Shirkey wrote: > >> >> who wants to place bets on Bob getting us product in hands before >> the "new" electrix? > > My thoughts exactly. Please keep us posted on all the details, specs, > pricing, etc. > > Thank you, > > Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 21:42:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B5733BF1D; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:42:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WELL-Auth: Yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <000b01c5d269$b3c30a30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:40:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Defining "pro" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on smtp.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:42:16 +0000 (UTC) At 6:22 PM +0200 10/16/05, Per Boysen wrote: >I completely agree with Travis' definition of "pro". A funny definition of amateur is one who calls himself "pro" even though he isn't able to make a living of his music. In Zappa's "200 Motels", someone, maybe Jimmy Carl Black (the Indian of the group), says something like: "We're _professional_ musicians. We'll do anything for money." -C -- Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status quo. cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree, http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 21:50:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39D043BF2B; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:50:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:49:52 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: A little longer than I originally expected, but... In-reply-to: <852ADAD572C6D834B543F6EC@[192.168.1.110]> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43556E00.6020709@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <7C26ABB2A1C0FF98C35AAC2F@[192.168.1.110]> <839b7cd955ba6051dffcf34d5504daac@suitandtieguy.com> <852ADAD572C6D834B543F6EC@[192.168.1.110]> Resent-Message-ID: <09rIB.A.0CH.S4WVDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:50:11 +0000 (UTC) Bob Amstadt wrote: > - 8 stereo tracks per loop. Track 1 is the master track and the other > tracks can be synchronous or asynchronous with it. Tracks can be > individually turned on and off. This gives you both the ability to undo > and redo. Can you elaborate on this? When you say undo/redo this suggests that each "overdub" occurs on a new track rather than being merged with the content of one track. Cool behavior to be sure, but won't this make the sort of ambient continuous overdub style of looping difficult? You would basically be limited to 8 layers. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 21:52:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A2683BF15; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:52:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5jjqaJeMxS8+EVAuc3GBeGhiFPUIC1TJPDEI7d0fC9GC5k2mo7weqcrGwdX2n53Jv/KqSHG/mVvSSOZtsp2Dgfjyi2HgnO3oa/F54Oo12jyWHzQIUtHZn2/7qaWte3R4FgHbPX6SwYCXjqrDjHZfxG0Ai0rae6zKuKdmMFFHyzY= ; Message-ID: <20051018212936.34967.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:29:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Defining "pro" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <1SIYCD.A.JKH.X6WVDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:52:24 +0000 (UTC) David Bowies Carlos Alomar was using one as well but don´t know if he still does... Luis --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > I believe Fripp is using a pair now, and I think > Belew also. I know > Neal Schon had one or two in his rack a few years > back, but it's not > commonly applicable piece of gear like a Lexicon > reverb unit or what > have you. > > > TravisH > > On 10/18/05, monk wrote: > > also, does any touring pro really use one? i know > lots of professional > > guitar players, many who use loops. i know lots of > them own an EDP, but > > i don't know one who uses it in a live setting. > i'm curious if anyone > > knows of someone? > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 22:04:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88CB13BF27; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:04:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <011d01c5d42f$e9d307c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Defining "pro" Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:04:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <59pduD.A.AhH.sFXVDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:04:28 +0000 (UTC) Mark Sottilaro wrote: "Why is anyone here concerned with how we get our money? If you loop and you love it, that's all that matters." Thank you Mark. This is the truest thing I have read in this entire thread (although all comments have been valid). I loop and I love it and it makes me feel a little less existentially lonely to know that 40 some odd loopers joined me in that happiness at Y2K5. I see this list as a blessing. It has changed my entire life. I feel fortunate that we are even having this discussion. can you tell that I"ve finally gotten some sleep after the festival................ I had a master class with the fabulous Andy Butler in how to use midi pedals with the EDP and I'm really turned on about new things to learn. Hell, I might even get out my e-bow this week . Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 22:35:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A39F33BF1E; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:35:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <012401c5d434$422fe470$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Y2K5 Official Thank Yous Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:35:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <7NnGiD.A.sc.1iXVDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:35:33 +0000 (UTC) I want to personally thank all the wonderful artists who made Y2K5 so special this year. Every single artist paid for their own transportation and, in many cases, their lodging. Our town (and the world) gained it's next newbie looper in Mayor Mike Rotkin Our headliners were given keys to the city. The City of Santa Cruz officially declared "International Live Looping Day" on Sunday, October 9th Andy Butler, Bernhard Wagner and myself officially taught a University of California of Santa Cruz class on the History and Techniques of Live Looping for their History of Electronic Music class (a first for me) The sophistication of our short lived musical community was palpably higher this year than it has been and there were some wonderful new artists introduced to our scene (Genie from San Francisco stands out in my mind as someone I've never seen who blew my mind). It was just a wonderful time (even when it got hellatiously stressful, like losing the main venue 24 hours before we were to start). I just want to let everyone know how much gratitude I feel and how privileged I felt to be able to host everyone. I could not have done it without the help of the following friends and artists. I want to express my deepest gratitude to these people for making Y2K5 such a great event: Bill Walker for completely planning and executing the Big Sur portion of the festival and for jumping in and completely saving the day when we were forced to abandon the original venue at the last minute as I had to drive the foreign artists to SF to play (and for playing a beautiful set) Dan Soltzberg for making the beautiful poster and graciously handling Sunday's front of house for me (and for playing a beautiful set) I will send the .pd to anyone who wants to print it out for themselves---------it's a trip because the graphics are such that if you walk to and from the poster, the concentric circles appear to rotate as an optical illusion) Ted Killian, for being a constant standby for all of my graphics needs and concerns(and playing a beautiful set) Rodent, who tireslessly and professionally staged manage Saturday's show Chris Cohn for tireslessly and professionally handling the front of house. (we look forward to next year's set from you, Chris) Michael Horne, for generously gifting us the venue at the last minute. Also, the businesses at 120 Pearl Street that gave up a day's work to host us. Wes Anthony, for generously loaning us his pro speaker systems. Good luck with the E3 Playhouse, buddy! Mike Rotkin, the Mayor of Santa Cruz for such a beautiful speech and for having the cojones to get up and let me teach him how to loop a twelve bar blues (with a Line 6 that doesn't have enough memory to handle a 12 bar blues loop...........gulp!) Herb Heinz for helping me configuring the routing in the mixers at the last minute so everyone could have a silent headphone mix (and for a beautiful set) Kris Hartung for tireslessly broadcasting the whole event and recording much of it (and for playing a beautiful set) To Headliners Ryusei Hattori and Hideki "mando man" Nakanishi and Bernhard Wagner and our Featured performers, Phil Zurrigo, Andy Butler and Max Valentino (for all of the travelling they did to get here and for their wonderful sets). Thanks especially to Andy and his delightful partner Peta who transported the artists with Bill and I . To my wonderful,brilliant, beautiful, talented, erudite, funny and generous wife, Chris Wedertz for every thing that she did to host our artists................to keep me sane when I was on the verge of freaking out (which was frequent, I have to admit) and for selflessly devoting herself for one week to an artform that she doesn't even participate in.....................To Nancy Levan, my brother's partner for the same gift. We couldn't have done it without you both and we love you for it. and last but not least, to Bernhard Wagner, who is my brother and who inspired me to put this festival on again this year after his wonderfully and professionally produced festival in Zurich this past summer. He also produced and maintained the website for the entire event. Yours, sincerely, Rick Walker festival organizer ps We also send out healing thoughts to Paolo, Roberto Zorzi's wife. We look forward to your performance next year, my friend. Be well! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 22:45:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CAC23BF3E; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:45:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=p82UV7F9LeuquRZoNF1EbWeJZ+0HYd/IzOGon+Dhl1Q8L6De2im/lzQ1N7MqQJa5wEkNidTXfG/5x4wY63Bqz3bxpmryO3Atcow8gR6brLMidfQHJgNywZFFfO5tSTr97kuZcQxZ9qQbXBaGPStX3QFSgNYSE6ZybwAoRORtM8M= Message-ID: <588ce11d0510181544t697c38cboeb3841779c6d6e48@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:44:58 -0700 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Building a rackmount DiMeola In-Reply-To: <3797022d3cad5a4477ad0106394a4530@suitandtieguy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <3797022d3cad5a4477ad0106394a4530@suitandtieguy.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:45:01 +0000 (UTC) That's a wonderful album! Louiss is a great over-looked organist as well. On 10/18/05, Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > On Oct 17, 2005, at 10:19 PM, The Stanitarium wrote: > > (there are some great music biz stories about how Al and JeanLucPonty > > hated > > each other during that band they were in w/ StanleyClarke-talk about > > D*I*V*A*) > > ever hear the real crazy organ trio album Ponty did with Daniel Humair > and Eddie Louiss back in 68? > > holy crap it's nuts. Humair plays a crazy drum solo where part of it is > dropping his cymbals on the floor. > > in addition to being nutty, it's also the best organ/violin/drums album > i've ever heard ... > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 22:54:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEA8D3BF39; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:54:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=aG8ZICw7qEiHSMMovu78vSqC/J9eeogSF6irgb1rAgBrQ0k+zhu1HM8qca9R10esdb86P+Ua17b9Q0xcmThsf40jP5ytmuVToP7ZMjLV/xEh0NYN9PNjKGJpsAGI1yQriTYbnOJxTABkESRapdQBnaBliXe3gxRQiLFUJOM3CNY= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:54:57 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Defining "pro" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051018183742.57481.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> <0d9b8273632d874fd435c88cd2e60461@fuse.net> <528eb9ae832f6f382d05dcd9fe2e149c@fuse.net> <9e242e9954f5713e2e362c29bf361b95@fuse.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:54:58 +0000 (UTC) Oh, and the guy from the Mermen, until it was recently stolen along with all the rest of their gear. On 10/18/05, monk wrote: > also, does any touring pro really use one? i know lots of professional > guitar players, many who use loops. i know lots of them own an EDP, but > i don't know one who uses it in a live setting. i'm curious if anyone > knows of someone? > > > > On Oct 18, 2005, at 4:39 PM, monk wrote: > > > > > On Oct 18, 2005, at 4:12 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > > >> Any problem that only manifests itself after it's been on for five or > >> six hours sounds thermal related. Is it in a rack, and how warm is > >> the gear around the EDP? > > > > yeah, i get it. it is probably a thermal problem. but my point is > > that in ten years of use my pcm-70 has never done that, my other "pro" > > gear has been far more reliable; and when it isn't, the company helps > > me. that wasn't my experience with gibson. > > > > for the record it's in the top of a mesa-boogie shock rack (which has > > lots of space around it) with two empty rack spaces above it. below it > > is.. various things.. a pcm-70, a flash switcher.. but it exhibits > > this behaviour on a table-top as well. > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > ric hordinski > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 22:56:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F36C3BF47; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:56:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,229,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="1419332766:sNHT30386130" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: <20051018183742.57481.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> <0d9b8273632d874fd435c88cd2e60461@fuse.net> <528eb9ae832f6f382d05dcd9fe2e149c@fuse.net> <9e242e9954f5713e2e362c29bf361b95@fuse.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3436DD83-3518-4DF3-B1A6-7F67F181668A@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: Defining "pro" Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:56:55 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: <3kTRiB.A.kOB.62XVDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:56:59 +0000 (UTC) When I saw the Mermen, he was looping with an MPXG2. That was 2003. I love them. On Oct 18, 2005, at 5:54 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Oh, and the guy from the Mermen, until it was recently stolen along > with all the rest of their gear. > > On 10/18/05, monk wrote: > >> also, does any touring pro really use one? i know lots of >> professional >> guitar players, many who use loops. i know lots of them own an >> EDP, but >> i don't know one who uses it in a live setting. i'm curious if anyone >> knows of someone? >> >> >> >> On Oct 18, 2005, at 4:39 PM, monk wrote: >> >> >>> >>> On Oct 18, 2005, at 4:12 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Any problem that only manifests itself after it's been on for >>>> five or >>>> six hours sounds thermal related. Is it in a rack, and how warm is >>>> the gear around the EDP? >>>> >>> >>> yeah, i get it. it is probably a thermal problem. but my point is >>> that in ten years of use my pcm-70 has never done that, my other >>> "pro" >>> gear has been far more reliable; and when it isn't, the company >>> helps >>> me. that wasn't my experience with gibson. >>> >>> for the record it's in the top of a mesa-boogie shock rack (which >>> has >>> lots of space around it) with two empty rack spaces above it. >>> below it >>> is.. various things.. a pcm-70, a flash switcher.. but it exhibits >>> this behaviour on a table-top as well. >>> >>> >>> thanks >>> >>> >>> ric hordinski >>> >>> >>> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 23:02:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 382D03BF4B; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 23:02:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Defining "pro" Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:02:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcXUJh/2D75544NeRDm9wGAx4kuJEAAEYkyQ Message-ID: <0MKp2t-1ES0Sz1zYR-00030M@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 23:02:00 +0000 (UTC) Looking at a pic of his recent rack on his website, it seems he got rid of them. One of his complaints about them were the fidelity, I think. When you compare the output of EDPs to a TC2290 or Eventide, (which cost $1000s more) I think there might be a slight difference. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > I believe Fripp is using a pair now, and I think Belew also. > I know Neal Schon had one or two in his rack a few years > back, but it's not commonly applicable piece of gear like a > Lexicon reverb unit or what have you. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 23:06:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CB253BF57; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 23:06:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YrGO9Cb0rCJRGI5GjDQ6I5LU60LL6crmUrg9s5J8HLbzgHslnJVhPk/fDX0Q0OK8DBe1w7W4WZHyKjCX4zb13x19MqIjkx8NRXdcFJhIa3vSxXwmF57W9Ny/f1Yn9HZ98z5BaqY/kk3+Tb+xepf2Bzp+dazRJ+kC1uX0ZwpZKBk= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:06:48 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Defining "pro" In-Reply-To: <0MKp2t-1ES0Sz1zYR-00030M@mrelay.perfora.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <0MKp2t-1ES0Sz1zYR-00030M@mrelay.perfora.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 23:06:50 +0000 (UTC) Could be, but he was using two of them until May: http://www.mermen.net/equip.shtml On 10/18/05, hazard factor wrote: > Looking at a pic of his recent rack on his website, it seems he got rid o= f > them. One of his complaints about them were the fidelity, I think. When y= ou > compare the output of EDPs to a TC2290 or Eventide, (which cost $1000s mo= re) > I think there might be a slight difference. > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 23:12:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FDA83BF4E; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 23:12:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,229,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="135503702:sNHT20527172" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20051018160655.010fbe70@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:12:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Defining "pro" In-Reply-To: References: <20051018183742.57481.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> <0d9b8273632d874fd435c88cd2e60461@fuse.net> <528eb9ae832f6f382d05dcd9fe2e149c@fuse.net> <9e242e9954f5713e2e362c29bf361b95@fuse.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 23:12:45 +0000 (UTC) Much of which was recently discovered at pawn and music shops in Kalispell, Montana. And Jim is still using an EDP or two thanks to stan - stanner - stantheman - stanitarium - stanasaur. At 2005.10.18 03:54 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: >Oh, and the guy from the Mermen, until it was recently stolen along >with all the rest of their gear. > >On 10/18/05, monk wrote: > > also, does any touring pro really use one? i know lots of professional > > guitar players, many who use loops. i know lots of them own an EDP, but > > i don't know one who uses it in a live setting. i'm curious if anyone > > knows of someone? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 23:13:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B65CC3BF5D; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 23:13:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Defining "pro" Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:13:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcXUOJ+M47/UxFXWQvqbv6iNCwotpgAALdkQ Message-ID: <0MKp2t-1ES0dg03bo-00034V@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 23:13:01 +0000 (UTC) Oh! I was talking about Fripp...that sucks about the Mermen though...I have had gear stolen, and there is a special ring in hell for those people...the best thing to do to prevent disaster is insure your gear. Dave Eichenberger- http://www.hazardfactor.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 7:07 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Defining "pro" > > Could be, but he was using two of them until May: > > http://www.mermen.net/equip.shtml > > On 10/18/05, hazard factor wrote: > > Looking at a pic of his recent rack on his website, it seems he got > > rid of them. One of his complaints about them were the fidelity, I > > think. When you compare the output of EDPs to a TC2290 or Eventide, > > (which cost $1000s more) I think there might be a slight difference. > > > > Dave Eichenberger > > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 23:18:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35C613BF53; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 23:18:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZksHUkZ8bgqD+DIcRLSNzDIK3hbrEoADZu9zmJMogUHTfY72DiojkXEiT88NHl7yBc3It9ZjgBFXG88nRx2GSOQblqfad9WOJ/B+Uo4DA2efAJcJV38U53/cbnVAGqKGn+oUWuth+LKaWyrO7xjphpIzt6buj5jZPNEtir8hbiM= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:18:17 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Defining "pro" In-Reply-To: <0MKp2t-1ES0dg03bo-00034V@mrelay.perfora.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <0MKp2t-1ES0dg03bo-00034V@mrelay.perfora.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 23:18:19 +0000 (UTC) Insuring your gear won't prevent it from being stolen, but never leaving it in the van overnight is a great disaster avoidance technique... Speaking of pro gear, as I recall the 2290's with the full sampling memory had some bug where after a half hour or so, the loop would begin to decay in some wonky manner, but with *marvelous* fidelity.... On 10/18/05, hazard factor wrote: > Oh! I was talking about Fripp...that sucks about the Mermen though...I ha= ve > had gear stolen, and there is a special ring in hell for those people...t= he > best thing to do to prevent disaster is insure your gear. > > Dave Eichenberger- > http://www.hazardfactor.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 18 23:33:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFE0C3BF3C; Tue, 18 Oct 2005 23:33:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:34:47 -0700 From: Bob Amstadt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A little longer than I originally expected, but... Message-ID: <674BB454B49ADF06E368EF1A@[192.168.1.110]> In-Reply-To: <43556E00.6020709@sun.com> References: <7C26ABB2A1C0FF98C35AAC2F@[192.168.1.110]> <839b7cd955ba6051dffcf34d5504daac@suitandtieguy.com> <852ADAD572C6D834B543F6EC@[192.168.1.110]> <43556E00.6020709@sun.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 23:33:30 +0000 (UTC) To perform an undo, you will need to overdub to a separate track. However, you are not required to overdub to a separate track. You may overdub over recorded material if you choose. You may also merge 2 tracks to 1. An actual undo function like the one that exists in the EDP is a possibility, but I have no immediate plans to offer it. --On Tuesday, October 18, 2005 4:49 PM -0500 Jeff Larson wrote: > Bob Amstadt wrote: >> - 8 stereo tracks per loop. Track 1 is the master track and the other >> tracks can be synchronous or asynchronous with it. Tracks can be >> individually turned on and off. This gives you both the ability to undo >> and redo. > > Can you elaborate on this? When you say undo/redo this suggests > that each "overdub" occurs on a new track rather than being > merged with the content of one track. Cool behavior > to be sure, but won't this make the sort of ambient > continuous overdub style of looping difficult? You > would basically be limited to 8 layers. > > Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 19 03:55:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18C633BF36; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 03:55:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <0MKp2t-1ES0Sz1zYR-00030M@mrelay.perfora.net> References: <0MKp2t-1ES0Sz1zYR-00030M@mrelay.perfora.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <734b907a511007c4ef30cd9e460a99ac@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Defining "pro" Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:55:33 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 03:55:37 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 18, 2005, at 6:02 PM, hazard factor wrote: > Looking at a pic of his recent rack on his website, it seems he got > rid of > them. One of his complaints about them were the fidelity, I think. > When you well a couple months ago he had a pair of them again for rhythmic looping against the delay programmes in the H8000, but now http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/diary/photos/SVII.jpg he seems to have decided one H8000 isn't enough. it's possible john sinks didn't like routing sound with the H8000, the switchblade had been removed earlier as well. oh ... pardon me ... this is "Solar Voyager II", not to be confused with "Solar Voyager" or the "Lunar Module". "Solar Voyager" probably still has the pair of blackface EDPs in it. i think that Robert Fripp naming his looping racks is coolosity on the same order as Toto naming their numerous large Polyfusion systems after mythical gods like Damius and Orpheus .. and were intended for different applications. so when they needed the system designed for a certain application (for example Damius was set up for complex FM), then Steve Porcaro could say "hey steve put that shit down ... fun can wait till later dude. we need some FM _NOW_. go get Damius." then steve could go grab the right modular for the task and be back in time to take turns partying down with steve on the lid of his CS-80. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 19 08:39:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE3313BF16; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 08:39:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <011d01c5d42f$e9d307c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <011d01c5d42f$e9d307c0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <82B0693C-B494-47F2-A435-3D24263EC378@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Defining "pro" Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 10:39:41 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 08:39:56 +0000 (UTC) > Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > "Why is anyone here concerned with how we get our money? > If you loop and you love it, that's all that matters." Because we can learn from each other about how to organize a good life as a creative musician! --> If you choose the amateur path: There is a constant conflict between time invested in your creative art and time invested in getting money. As an amateur you might one day face a limit when you realize that you can not develop your artistic skills much further under the restriction of a "daytime job life situation". Going pro may look as an easy way to solve that conflict. --> I you choose the pro path: There is a constant conflict between having to fulfill business obligations and the need to dedicate quality time into the creative arts (after all, that is "the product" that business relies on). You might start to fear that you won't be able to hold out and "stay true to your art". Going amateur may look as an easy way to solve that conflict. As you see, this is a bizarre dilemma! The maths doesn't work out. Personally I'm always eager to hear about how others manage to make a living, especially when interested in obscure styles that doesn't automatically call for investors. My own "workaround" is to work in many other areas that are related to performing and composing; like offering lectures in music, writing books and articles on music or producing recordings of music. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 19 09:01:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41BEF3BF3A; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 09:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002f01c5d48b$b82b3830$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <000b01c5d269$b3c30a30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <435284CA.7000104@dadaprod.org> Subject: Re: Defining "pro" Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 10:01:38 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 09:01:43 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suit & Tie Guy" To: Sent: Tuesday, 18 October, 2005 18:08 PM Subject: Re: Defining "pro" > On Oct 16, 2005, at 12:07 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: >> "Professional" is more related to occupational status, not artistic >> merit. > > my friend James McCaskey, official recordist of the Suit & Tie Guy Band, > recently wrote this definition of professional: > > Professional, adj. > > As done by, or containing, one whose skill is in appearing competent. > > > Professional, n. > > One who is skilled in appearing competent. > > > Example: > > "Unfortunately, this will be costly to finish. It looks like you were > dealing with a bunch of professionals." > > > > maybe it related to this discussion, maybe not. i can't tell. Actually yes in my case. We're trying to get our basement done and have been fielding bizarre pitches and shore stories by workmen for over two years... Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * http://www.medialinenews.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 19 13:15:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F03B83BF1C; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:15:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5D462.B45376E4" Subject: interesting article on a looping artist from Canada Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:08:03 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B015D0279@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: interesting article on a looping artist from Canada Thread-Index: AcXUYrPVyTj1+WjrTBiz9t7lnrUZoQ== From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Oct 2005 04:09:47.0378 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1842520:01C5D462] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:15:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5D462.B45376E4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ...interesting article on a looping artist from Canada, Feist. I bolded and put in red reference to looping.=20 http://www.chartattack.com/DAMN/2005/10/1812.cfm Also copied below. Kris LIVE: Feist Gets Magical=20 Tuesday October 18, 2005 @ 05:00 PM By: ChartAttack.com Staff =20 October 17, 2005 Danforth Music Hall Toronto, ON By Bryan Borzykowski Sarah McLachlan, K.D. Lang and Alanis Morissette are just a few of the female musicians who come to mind when people think of Canada. While all have carved out their own niche in this country and abroad, the woman young girls and smitten boys should be turning to is Feist, not these multi-platinum artists. With delicate vocals, near perfect songs and intense passion, Feist should be selling out arenas across the world. It's likely that day will come, but for now this Clagray native will have to make do with two sold out shows at Toronto's 1,200 seat Danforth Music Hall. It was clear, even before Feist took to the stage that her first of two shows would be a memorable one. Arts & Crafts label mate and Broken Social Scener Jason Collett charged through most of his new, alt.country disc Idols Of Exile, bringing Feist out to sing backup and play drums for a song. Unlike most openers, Collett played to a packed and appreciative audience. As entertaining as Collett is, Feist is a performer of a completely different caliber. To get things started the songstress, dressed in all white, came on stage with sparklers ablaze and after a few minutes of singing and harmonizing with herself (via looping), her band came on to play "When I Was A Young Girl." While Feist knocked off all the important songs - Ron Sexsmith's "Secret Heart," "Gatekeeper," "One Evening" "Mushaboom" and "Let It Die" - it wasn't the tunes that drew one fans in - she could have played anything and it would have been amazing - it was Feist's ability to jam with herself. During most of the songs the Paris resident stood on the large stage alone, with just a guitar in hand. She then looped guitar parts and several vocal lines, basically creating a five-piece band with just herself. It was almost magical - in the David Copperfield sense - to watch her solo over a repeating guitar riff or adding a fourth melody to her own three part harmony.=20 Besides deviating from the traditional band setting, Feist also accomplished what most of her contemporaries have trouble doing - funny stage banter. Out of tune guitars (and there were plenty of those) allowed Feist to take time between songs to talk to her fans. Hilarious lines about wearing only red for four months, or making fun of an audience member who had a broken seat gave her adoring crowd another reason to go home happy.=20 Another major reason why Feist's show was so well received was the venue. While big, the Danforth Music Hall maintains an intimacy that's lost in other huge - and many small - venues. With seats and great acoustics, Feist was able to put on a quiet, delicate performance that much like an MTV Unplugged show. However, during an MTV Unplugged you wouldn't get 12 guys on stage - including Collett and the night's first opener New Buffalo - to play one of Broken Social Scene's newest songs (from their recently released self-titled disc), the fast paced "Major Label Debut." After watching Feist glide through one hour and 45 minutes of songs, banter and guitar solos, it's clear why people are starting to notice the prairie girl. Her poise, confidence and musicianship rivals not only her famous female coworkers, but many of her male counterparts as well. It's only a matter of time until Feist moves on to bigger things and larger venues.=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5D462.B45376E4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable interesting article on a looping artist from Canada

    …interesting article on a looping = artist from Canada, Feist. I bolded and put in red reference to looping. =

    http://www.chartattack.com/DAMN/2005/10/1812.cfm

    Also copied below.

    Kris

    LIVE: = Feist Gets Magical
    Tuesday October 18, 2005 @ 05:00 = PM
    By:     ChartAttack.com = Staff
    October 17, 2005
    Danforth Music Hall
    Toronto, ON
    By Bryan Borzykowski
    Sarah McLachlan, K.D. = Lang and Alanis Morissette are just a few of the female musicians who come to mind when = people think of Canada. While all have carved out their own niche in = this country and abroad, the woman young girls and smitten boys should = be turning to is Feist, not these = multi-platinum artists. With delicate vocals, near perfect songs and = intense passion, Feist should be selling out arenas across the world. = It's likely that day will come, but for now this Clagray native will = have to make do with two sold out shows at Toronto's 1,200 seat Danforth = Music Hall.

    It was clear, even before Feist took = to the stage that her first of two shows would be a memorable one. Arts = & Crafts label mate and Broken Social Scener Jason Collett charged through most of his new, alt.country disc Idols Of = Exile, bringing Feist out to sing backup and play drums for a song. = Unlike most openers, Collett played to a packed and appreciative = audience.

    As entertaining as Collett is, Feist = is a performer of a completely different caliber. To get things started = the songstress, dressed in all white, came on stage with sparklers ablaze and = after a few minutes of singing and harmonizing with herself (via = looping), her band came on to = play "When I Was A Young Girl."

    While Feist knocked off all the = important songs — Ron Sexsmith's "Secret Heart," = "Gatekeeper," "One Evening" "Mushaboom" = and "Let It Die" — it wasn't = the tunes that drew one fans in — she could = have played anything and it would have been amazing — it was = Feist's ability to jam with herself.

    During most of the songs the Paris = resident stood on the large stage alone, with just a guitar in = hand. She = then looped guitar parts and several vocal lines, basically creating a = five-piece band with just herself. It was almost magical — in the David Copperfield sense — to watch her solo over a repeating guitar riff = or adding a fourth melody to her own three part harmony.

    Besides deviating from the traditional = band setting, Feist also accomplished what most of her contemporaries = have trouble doing — funny stage banter. Out of tune guitars (and = there were plenty of those) allowed Feist to take time between songs to = talk to her fans. Hilarious lines about wearing only red for four = months, or making fun of an audience member who had a broken seat gave = her adoring crowd another reason to go home happy.

    Another major reason why Feist's show = was so well received was the venue. While big, the Danforth Music Hall = maintains an intimacy that's lost in other huge — and many = small — venues. With seats and great acoustics, Feist was able to put on = a quiet, delicate performance that much like an MTV Unplugged show. = However, during an MTV Unplugged you wouldn't get 12 guys on = stage — including Collett and the night's first opener New Buffalo — to play = one of Broken Social Scene's newest songs (from their recently released = self-titled disc), the fast paced "Major Label = Debut."

    After watching Feist glide through one = hour and 45 minutes of songs, banter and guitar solos, it's clear why = people are starting to notice the prairie girl. Her poise, confidence = and musicianship rivals not only her famous female coworkers, but many = of her male counterparts as well. It's only a matter of time until Feist = moves on to bigger things and larger venues.

    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5D462.B45376E4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 19 13:22:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CFC93BF3B; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:22:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=neYRaeubBFImUPYoeLs4fxiztZGa0VG9XlWQPo17beYwldFRuOC06YL3TNrpdOXs; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220051031913282360@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: Zoom 2100 sound on sound?? Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 09:28:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940304b1eaf9f6eac9eaf4f224768f2e1fa350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.147.140 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:22:57 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hey Gang: In the Looper's Delight "Tools of the Trade" description of my beloved plastic Zoom 2100, they mention a 6-sec sound-on-sound feature in addition to the 3x5 feature and the 32/16 sampler. Mine does not have the sound-on-sound, even though I bought it around the time the review was written. Color me confused! Herr Goodman, does yours have this feature? Anybody? If so, is upgrading this device possible or even worth it? I like this nice, light, good-sounding, surprisingly sturdy box, and would like it even more if it had sound-on-sound. Yours in Lime Green Translucent, Tim Mungenast P.S.--Please remind me who was offering upgrades of the Digitech x-series...I'd love to upgrade my Reverberator as soon as I get the money. Timothy Mungenast mungenast@earthlink.net Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

    Hey Gang:
    In the Looper's Delight "Tools of the Trade" description of my beloved plastic Zoom 2100, they mention a 6-sec sound-on-sound feature in addition to the 3x5 feature and the 32/16 sampler.
    Mine does not have the sound-on-sound, even though I bought it around the time the review was written.
    Color me confused!
    Herr Goodman, does yours have this feature? Anybody?
    If so, is upgrading this device possible or even worth it? I like this nice, light, good-sounding, surprisingly sturdy box, and would like it even more if it had sound-on-sound.
    Yours in Lime Green Translucent,
    Tim Mungenast
    P.S.--Please remind me who was offering upgrades of the Digitech x-series...I'd love to upgrade my Reverberator as soon as I get the money.
     
     
     
    Timothy Mungenast
    Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
     

    ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 19 13:44:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 814473BF32; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:44:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,231,1125874800"; d="scan'208"; a="43693603:sNHT24925936" Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051019111925.03232570@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:38:43 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: ethics In-Reply-To: <20051018201239.E493D3BF2F@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051018201239.E493D3BF2F@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:44:49 +0000 (UTC) >If I misrepresented the origin of those ideas, I might consider that >unethical. Again not illegal, competing technology companies >implement each others ideas all the time and they never bother to give >each other credit. But I would have a problem with that. I think I'm >fairly careful to point out which ideas are mine, and which aren't. >If anyone thinks otherwise, please let me know what sort of pronouncements >or disclaimers you think would be appropriate. > >Jeff A lot of the "buzz" around Mobius is that it is based on the EDP. In effect you are using the EDP name to promote your software. I don't know whether that's ethical or not, it's certainly standard practice for music software. It might look like "stealing" the reputation of the EDP. From my viewpoint, Mobius doesn't have half of the EDP features that I regularly use, so i wouldn't consider it an emulator. Good luck with the pitch shifting, and make sure you fix those stability issues, (but surely a true EDP emulator would have to crash occasionally) :-) andy "ccrrrrkkkccccrrkkk" butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 19 16:41:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E47FB3BF26; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 16:41:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:41:35 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: ethics In-reply-to: <6.2.3.4.0.20051019111925.03232570@pop.tiscali.co.uk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4356773F.9010501@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20051018201239.E493D3BF2F@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051019111925.03232570@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: <3T1lZB.A.Z4C.GdnVDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 16:41:42 +0000 (UTC) > A lot of the "buzz" around Mobius is that it is based on the EDP. > In effect you are using the EDP name to promote your software. Yeah, I can see that. I'm in an awkward position. Either I'm a deceptive charlatan by not mentioning the EDP and implying I invented all of this, or I'm an opportunistic leach riding on the coattails of greatness :-) Somewhere in between lies balance. It may be helpful to know that my goal here is not to copy the EDP. Architecturally Mobius is more like a multi-track sequencer with a large built-in looping plugin. Over half the code has nothing to do with looping per se. I am attempting to build a general purpose sound processing "engine" that can be "scripted" to build applications. Roughly similar to Max/MSP or Synthedit, only with a bias toward live looping. I thought the EDP would be a good place to start learning what that would take. In hindsight, the EDP bias has probably lost me more users than I have. There are lots of people that have difficulty with its....statistical density. A year from now it may start looking more like Ableton Live, giving me a whole new audience of developers to annoy :-) At that point I will start de-emphasizing the EDP heritage. EDP-style looping will be just one of the "modules" you can load into the engine. Who knows, I may never get there, but I enjoy trying. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 19 18:54:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D8B73BF1F; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:54:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <674BB454B49ADF06E368EF1A@[192.168.1.110]> References: <7C26ABB2A1C0FF98C35AAC2F@[192.168.1.110]> <839b7cd955ba6051dffcf34d5504daac@suitandtieguy.com> <852ADAD572C6D834B543F6EC@[192.168.1.110]> <43556E00.6020709@sun.com> <674BB454B49ADF06E368EF1A@[192.168.1.110]> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--1030434605 Message-Id: From: Erland Subject: Re: A little longer than I originally expected, but... Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:55:04 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:54:51 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--1030434605 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Oct 18, 2005, at 7:34 PM, Bob Amstadt wrote: > An actual undo function like the one that exists in the EDP is a > possibility, but I have no immediate plans to offer it. Would this require new hardware or would it be a software upgrade? ------------------------------------------ erland http://www.myspace.com/erland http://www.erlandonline.com --Apple-Mail-1--1030434605 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

    On Oct 18, = 2005, at 7:34 PM, Bob Amstadt wrote:

    An actual undo function like the one that exists in = the EDP is a possibility, but I have no immediate plans to offer = it.

    Would this require new = hardware or would it be a software upgrade?=A0

    ------------------------------------------
    erland


    = --Apple-Mail-1--1030434605-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 19 19:44:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E85743BF2C; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:44:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GfKLJZo8r5xK3qzNB58NaVXH5CQBIDIDSu3nE2NwDn8KD34Cdb2ZKfOl8yNE0+LjBuX51YMg7lv+90AYESHk7BwmMHwAc8WgMAN9GbnXGaYb32HA1i1ttRvY/HAphaxJjnUvJ7c/gwFIT6MLG9PoltFwZt9wAw2CFZlRfkUqHXQ= ; Message-ID: <20051019194449.752.qmail@web34210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:44:49 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Defining "pro" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051019185451.C14513BF42@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5TT74.A.W_B.0IqVDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:44:52 +0000 (UTC) When I saw Robert solo soundscaping last year, I had a good talk with John Sinks afterwards. Robert had left a loop going on his TC2290's and a few of us were sitting around listening to it for 30 or so minutes afterwards. I noticed a "wonkiness" as Travis so aptly puts it, around the 25 minute mark. It got worse and worse as the loop went on. John told me that this is a design bug that TC never bothered to address. This was one of the reasons that Robert was going to purchase 2 or 4 EDP's. He also mentioned one or two H8000's, man I wish I had that kind of cash sitting around... It seems that Robert did purchase a few EDP's, though I don't know if they are in his current rack. Certainly the H8000's are. And on the "Pro" vs. "Semi-Pro" vs. "amateur" topic, Robert has been able to continually do his music based on some wise real-estate investments many years ago. This by definition takes him out of the "Pro" category. It's all just talk... Stephen <<>> __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 19 19:46:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 110CE3BF4A; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:46:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,231,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="103456294:sNHT1254418886" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20051019124625.01114b40@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:46:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Defining "pro" In-Reply-To: <20051019194449.752.qmail@web34210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051019185451.C14513BF42@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:46:52 +0000 (UTC) Elephant talk... At 2005.10.19 12:44 PM, S V G wrote: > And on the "Pro" vs. "Semi-Pro" vs. "amateur" topic, Robert has been > able to continually do >his music based on some wise real-estate investments many years ago. This >by definition takes him >out of the "Pro" category. It's all just talk... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 19 21:12:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D83D3BEC5; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:12:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5lyOw+0OrTX28BGxM0vpvpPnVpEsRYRxhGenGM+BfoARsjKc6U6h7Ra78lfQY2ueBjdRarUbhDQMrf/XWtF3ie6ltW5ZAB5XspTTdN2iyWOU3nEeq/uv6TDmm6VhGOm7tXonJFLvV+puo+/Ig+aUJuyqeal4QMkDJAPeDBIkedE= ; Message-ID: <20051019211146.86063.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:11:45 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Pro tools [not protools] (was Re: Defining "pro") To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:12:51 +0000 (UTC) Ah, I don't get all the emails for some reason and I missed this. Good subject though. One thing that amazes me is the quality of tools available to musicians as opposed to what we had 20 years ago. Looper or otherwise. As a non pro, I pretty much by as close to "pro" as I can afford... weirdly I can afford pro gear now and couldn't when I was a "pro." Funny how that works. I still often think to my days back when I was an intern for Laurie Anderson during the making of "Home of the Brave." Digital Audio workstations (The Syncavier) set you back about $150K. You could probably put together a similar device from off the shelf software and computer hardware for about... well let's see! Macintosh G5: $2,000 MOTU 828mk2: $749 MOTU DP4: $349 Absynth $289 Kontakt $480 Novation Remote61 $499 Total: $4366 Now I'm not a/b comparing the Synclavier to the above system, I'm sure there are Synclavier fans who will flame me forever declaring their undying love for the classic machine... but the point is there's a HUGE difference in price. $4366 is within a lot of people's budgets, but $150,000 is just not. Then there's the "cheap stuff that's great" catagory like the short lived Alesis series that the Bitram is part of. Very cool stuff for not much cash at all. Basically, although we whine about lack of loopers, we're sitting pretty (at least here in the US where such things are plentiful) in the gear dept. I'm even amazed at how good cheap guitars and basses are these days. Good times.. Mark --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > It came from a discussion of tools and what was an > acceptable tool, > and what wasn't. The needs of a professional and an > amateur have a > lot in common, but not entirely, and in the ongoing > discussion of what > makes a good looping tool, the intended audience has > to be considered > and classified. __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 19 21:53:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 883813BEE6; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:53:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002701c5d4f7$7c4f2760$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20051019211146.86063.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Pro tools [not protools] (was Re: Defining "pro") Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:53:03 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:53:11 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Wednesday, 19 October, 2005 22:11 PM Subject: Pro tools [not protools] (was Re: Defining "pro") > Ah, I don't get all the emails for some reason and I > missed this. Good subject though. > > One thing that amazes me is the quality of tools > available to musicians as opposed to what we had 20 > years ago. Looper or otherwise. As a non pro, I > pretty much by as close to "pro" as I can afford... > weirdly I can afford pro gear now and couldn't when I > was a "pro." Funny how that works. > > I still often think to my days back when I was an > intern for Laurie Anderson during the making of "Home > of the Brave." Digital Audio workstations (The > Syncavier) set you back about $150K. You could > probably put together a similar device from off the > shelf software and computer hardware for about... well > let's see! > > Macintosh G5: $2,000 > MOTU 828mk2: $749 > MOTU DP4: $349 > Absynth $289 > Kontakt $480 > Novation Remote61 $499 > > Total: $4366 Since I haven't been shopping for Mark of the Unicorn's equivalent on the PC and don't recognize the rest of the devices, I'd have to rely upon others' assessments technically but I'd wager that if you exchange the word "Macintosh" for "PC" you could cut the cost in half, at least. Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * http://www.medialinenews.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 19 21:59:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9461C3BEF5; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:59:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:08:00 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: show: Phasmatodea, Chapel Hill NC, 21 October Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:59:06 +0000 (UTC) Phasmatodea, the looping improvisational soundscapes Chapman Stick duo that listmember Adrian Likins and I do together, has been asked to play at the Friday night opening of the three-night Wandering Star Project show "Mixing Memory and Desire", at Caffe Driade. If you're free this Friday, please stop in. No cover charge. Time: 8-11pm. (Previous email still stands true: I'm playing with Cab Caligari at the same event on the following night, Saturday 22 October.) URLs: Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Caffe Driade (venue) http://www.caffedriade.com/ Wandering Star Project http://lisa-ray.net/wsp/index.html thanks, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 19 22:29:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 970753BEAF; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:29:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <002701c5d4f7$7c4f2760$0207a8c0@eluk1> References: <20051019211146.86063.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> <002701c5d4f7$7c4f2760$0207a8c0@eluk1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Pro tools [not protools] (was Re: Defining "pro") Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:29:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: <6h3TeB.A.xmG.SjsVDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:29:38 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 19, 2005, at 4:53 PM, Stephen Goodman wrote: > > Since I haven't been shopping for Mark of the Unicorn's equivalent on > the PC and don't recognize the rest of the devices, I'd have to rely > upon others' assessments technically but I'd wager that if you > exchange the word "Macintosh" for "PC" you could cut the cost in half, > at least. only on the beige box i'm afraid. the software is the same. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 19 22:32:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC8B43BEF4; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:32:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 15:33:24 -0700 From: Bob Amstadt To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: A little longer than I originally expected, but... Message-ID: <61A21D3D99F9AA92C89C64BF@[192.168.1.110]> In-Reply-To: References: <7C26ABB2A1C0FF98C35AAC2F@[192.168.1.110]> <839b7cd955ba6051dffcf34d5504daac@suitandtieguy.com> <852ADAD572C6D834B543F6EC@[192.168.1.110]> <43556E00.6020709@sun.com> <674BB454B49ADF06E368EF1A@[192.168.1.110]> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.6 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:32:08 +0000 (UTC) That type of feature would only require a software upgrade. --On Wednesday, October 19, 2005 2:55 PM -0400 Erland =20 wrote: > > > > > On Oct 18, 2005, at 7:34 PM, Bob Amstadt wrote: > > > An actual undo function like the one that exists in the EDP is a > possibility, but I have no immediate plans to offer it. > > > > > Would this require new hardware or would it be a software upgrade?=A0 > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > erland > > > http://www.myspace.com/erland > http://www.erlandonline.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 19 22:39:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F46B3BEF4; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:39:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xv+GJUR8FuOwT2qV42Dnz706USIWVvRtGGVZdjrcvxopH9E+OzMe7B6TCSZ5P+rUk5abW8rAh/+Jmi3paKNwipqwoh9udiz62cRknVJD+tNQgoe67vNhRur1V+olELYX80lMuaiGS1mU3fOjNvPuvCUKEAvPLwYx+QlxGpxgzzc= ; Message-ID: <20051019223629.50178.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 15:36:19 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: ethics (was Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0510181224l469cf73fh6f59f3bb0e5a8d70@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:39:24 +0000 (UTC) Oh come on people. Look around. Echoplex... did they buy the concept of looping from the people who made the tape version? Who was the first real time looper? Should he or she be getting monthly checks from every one who makes a looper? Does Les Paul get a cut of every electric guitar made? Moog sure didn't invent the analog synth... was the first Moog ethical? I remember a while ago Matthais was talking about doing a software version of the EDP, as he was pissed off at how Gibson was dealing with him and his product. Not sure if that situation has changed, but I sure don't see him with a product available. The maker of Mobius gives his software away... how could you accuse him of being anything but of the highest ethics. While we're on the topic of ethics, shall we talk about how Gibson buys companies and buries them? What other oberheim products have gone the way of the dodo under Gibson's ownership? Hmm? Mark __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 19 22:50:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED3E03BF00; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:49:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xOiLArWhMLmB2GYnAck+jvmNQxYSt1W6cXC+7NlqbhQTpKaoOUpUpS9AVzF5IUMEs10lIaSvtzIhuHsRJ6UuP69AWJ4VF/U7e1Vwe6gEoochjj3mOriT7Yy/tXiKZaaB95LXkKfSTLHAPM/LfPkM305IhhTEH38I3HIM9LXlOxE= ; Message-ID: <20051019224957.16063.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 15:49:57 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Pro tools [not protools] (was Re: Defining "pro") To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:49:59 +0000 (UTC) It's pretty easy to drop $2k on a PC as well if you get a high end dual processor/core model. Stuff made for games can often be a lot more. I could have put Mac Mini in there and said, "$500" I just was going for a high end computer price. --- Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > On Oct 19, 2005, at 4:53 PM, Stephen Goodman wrote: > > > > Since I haven't been shopping for Mark of the > Unicorn's equivalent on > > the PC and don't recognize the rest of the > devices, I'd have to rely > > upon others' assessments technically but I'd wager > that if you > > exchange the word "Macintosh" for "PC" you could > cut the cost in half, > > at least. > > only on the beige box i'm afraid. > > the software is the same. > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 19 22:54:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A3843BF02; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:54:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002301c5d500$1d22bfa0$8286d255@homemain> From: "Dan Mayfield" To: References: <75521d8a8aa2dd2a0370928fad8f2ba5@mac.com> <1E8BD845-9454-4412-88C0-D04A74EB0A75@boysen.se> Subject: myspace Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:54:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:54:48 +0000 (UTC) I have recently set up a myspace site, does anyone else on the list have one? www.myspace.com/danmayfield Lets be friends!! Cheers Dan www.danmayfield.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 19 22:56:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31D843BF08; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:56:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3q2egpDYB1BwFbzgMjr0vh297MjDoPk44YKmBD6ab1qs7cIHH+2aa1JoaMuy1ukejlYHQpLBUXLiWaoGTbSAxyi1tOEqaEG5UPkuIHzFRFAy/a9aQJklzoSCBXKGCJVldWaXIHXW6rTF4SpL79qnBdYKmU5Dt9CFQBW3WJb8MSU= ; Message-ID: <20051019225605.81653.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 15:56:04 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Defining "pro" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051019194449.752.qmail@web34210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:56:05 +0000 (UTC) --- S V G wrote: > I noticed a > "wonkiness" as Travis so aptly puts it, around the > 25 minute mark. It got worse and worse as the loop > went on. John told me that this is a design > bug that TC never bothered to address. At that point can it really be said to be a "bug" or out of the design specs for the device? Who keeps a non changing loop going for 25 minutes? Surely there are better devices for such things if you want that. All the TC stuff I've seen in my day is solid as it gets. No gear is without flaw and no company doesn't mak an occaisional lemon. Mark __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 19 22:59:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 583CB3BF0E; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:59:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=DJYX7HpCDTv4C7SLMA4EhtT5A1qu0eSIRE+uu0c1HZjLiXcQxEJQzGVf5XzpfPkYZbbEZhuBifdy9OIttKCJc8xIxmfNn2eYlQoDk5f2apc150gnmMqBJWiofkQksMSIg48js6t9dYwxYpHF2La6ibsDKgwiB/dmnOXSdGp92lI= Message-ID: <2fb9e4730510191559w50f8dfb7ib74d13602b9a408b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:59:40 -0400 From: Clint Allen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: myspace In-Reply-To: <002301c5d500$1d22bfa0$8286d255@homemain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_13009_29951397.1129762780534" References: <75521d8a8aa2dd2a0370928fad8f2ba5@mac.com> <1E8BD845-9454-4412-88C0-D04A74EB0A75@boysen.se> <002301c5d500$1d22bfa0$8286d255@homemain> Resent-Message-ID: <2X7iNC.A.loH.d_sVDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:59:42 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_13009_29951397.1129762780534 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline www.myspace.com/clintallen (primary) and www.myspace.com/haloofdistortion I've got mainly Chapman Stick players and personal friends on mine in my profile, but I do have a few from this list as well. I look forward to hearing and using MySpace more for music than for what it has become as of late. (and I'm leaving my definition of what it has become, blank :)...) Clint Allen On 10/19/05, Dan Mayfield wrote: > > I have recently set up a myspace site, does anyone else on the list have > one? > > www.myspace.com/danmayfield > > Lets be friends!! > > Cheers > Dan > www.danmayfield.com > > ------=_Part_13009_29951397.1129762780534 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline www.myspace.com/clintallen (primary)
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    www.myspace.com/haloofd= istortion


    I've got mainly Chapman Stick players and personal friends on mine in my profile, but I do have a few from this list as well. I look forward to hearing and using MySpace more for music than for what it has become as of late. (and I'm leaving my definition of what it has become, blank :)...)

    Clint Allen



    On 10/19/05, Dan Mayfield <co= ntact@danmayfield.com> wrote:
    I have recently set up a myspace site, does anyone else on the list haveone?

    www.myspace.com= /danmayfield

    Lets be friends!!

    Cheers
    Dan
    www.danmayfield.com


    ------=_Part_13009_29951397.1129762780534-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 19 23:02:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C61793BF16; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:02:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XvoKw2PePG7v++p2IoE3ZIgeMZi/upiCHatoPh8LjY+O+jNqU4BHlY+rgv3mlG9EbYJTA7M74pT2F+7r0NkuCQZgWlKqaAntR2eXmgYiauYOnyDQbczuQupx+2fU0dAlXO1DODHm+XyO6XEoVj2ATqCC4rckNSZwzgUiu4tBq1c= ; Message-ID: <20051019230251.43158.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 16:02:51 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: myspace To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2fb9e4730510191559w50f8dfb7ib74d13602b9a408b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:02:53 +0000 (UTC) sadly myspace makes you use their in browser (possibily java) mp3 player that does not work in Apple's Safari browser. Direct links to the files are not allowed either. Perhaps they should change this? M __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 19 23:07:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19D7C3BF06; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:07:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sxql/dp33iFzSsf7mzv+Ojdk+MqsED0wsGB9pn/bdvSkACau7eITnL2B1EetrvzEjuaifIjAVQxCId5D1ZRjHAU9/4ZV07dm9tvs6d+HmnBa+lGMUCcKyUR28VeVI3qh6JZELnKCGoZc99uxlX5LxpEliKk/IsLyBQ4Hkl8NSjE= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 16:07:19 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: myspace In-Reply-To: <20051019230251.43158.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <2fb9e4730510191559w50f8dfb7ib74d13602b9a408b@mail.gmail.com> <20051019230251.43158.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2DekVD.A.I4H.oGtVDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:07:20 +0000 (UTC) No, their mp3 player does work in Safari, but you do have to keep that tab active since it buffers the audio and stops buffering when you look at another tab. On 10/19/05, mark sottilaro wrote: > sadly myspace makes you use their in browser > (possibily java) mp3 player that does not work in > Apple's Safari browser. Direct links to the files are > not allowed either. Perhaps they should change this? > > M > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 19 23:23:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81ECE3BF00; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:23:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TakxJUcS9Fy/7mHVKM/+wLLuEP4au3wZ82/cnLWQ+o4SYoOhzw2zEzA2I6mygAyLt82V6yqnhY+W2bpTpmoZ9MGlud/yLBDaW3JzzcFL8pnRq4oamn9rTNNWPtx1SIIKG5r8hAfgHirteeIxKFfrcNLc8GPzCPgEGx2NiRnJH3g= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:23:42 -0400 From: magicicada To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: myspace In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <2fb9e4730510191559w50f8dfb7ib74d13602b9a408b@mail.gmail.com> <20051019230251.43158.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1YuBC.A._X._VtVDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:23:43 +0000 (UTC) myspace.com/magicicada On 10/19/05, Travis Hartnett wrote: > No, their mp3 player does work in Safari, but you do have to keep that > tab active since it buffers the audio and stops buffering when you > look at another tab. > > On 10/19/05, mark sottilaro wrote: > > sadly myspace makes you use their in browser > > (possibily java) mp3 player that does not work in > > Apple's Safari browser. Direct links to the files are > > not allowed either. Perhaps they should change this? > > > > M > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 19 23:32:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60D873BF16; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:32:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20051019225605.81653.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051019225605.81653.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5a3cc8a009775ed2f804afc7d106fa7c@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Defining "pro" Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:32:18 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:32:22 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 19, 2005, at 5:56 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > out of the design specs for the device? Who keeps a > non changing loop going for 25 minutes? Surely there > are better devices for such things if you want that. i've noticed that the sound quality of a 20 second loop kind of gets "fizzly" after 20 hours in my PCM-80. i think it sounds cool. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 19 23:41:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCBC53BF15; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:41:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:51:03 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: myspace In-Reply-To: <002301c5d500$1d22bfa0$8286d255@homemain> Message-ID: References: <75521d8a8aa2dd2a0370928fad8f2ba5@mac.com> <1E8BD845-9454-4412-88C0-D04A74EB0A75@boysen.se> <002301c5d500$1d22bfa0$8286d255@homemain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:41:59 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Dan Mayfield wrote: > I have recently set up a myspace site, does anyone else on the list have one? http://www.myspace.com/subscapeannex http://www.myspace.com/phasmatodea > www.myspace.com/danmayfield > > Lets be friends!! > > Cheers > Dan > www.danmayfield.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 19 23:43:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0FE13BF27; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:43:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=58kjR3li3BmBn55QEJG3BJyrKN/rWf6al+gNTOM6fiCKugVyzZLVPRrMQB63CZ1fVjDUUVgzmiQYc5o3VAEopFszT9I+0j6ODFVdfWoOn6npDhMSUZBoM0U+wf8fDF7Xx7VbEd5iQPf5U+azH4MtHhh0odW9NYPHKnaP54N5Ooo= ; Message-ID: <20051019234308.30804.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 16:43:07 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Defining "pro" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <82B0693C-B494-47F2-A435-3D24263EC378@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:43:25 +0000 (UTC) Per, as usual you are right on target. The math, indeed, does not work out. I'm not saying that I don't lament my amature status... I'd love to be able to be paid for what I do. I do compose little bits and loops for the media work I do for a living, but it's a tiny portion. I've managed becaues I have a talent in the visual arts that lends itself to graphic design and animation for web and video. Luck has it that I've landed a decent job that rarely makes me work more than 40 hours a week. Do I get to play as much as I like? Not at all. On the plus side of that is that I really enjoy my time in my studio and it never gets old. Mostly, I find what keeps me out of the studio is not my work, but myself. Procrastination... fear... laziness... a combo... As much as I love it I have to work to make sure I do it. Mark --- Per Boysen wrote: > > > Mark Sottilaro wrote: > > > > "Why is anyone here concerned with how we get our > money? > > If you loop and you love it, that's all that > matters." > > > Because we can learn from each other about how to > organize a good > life as a creative musician! > > --> If you choose the amateur path: > There is a constant conflict between time invested > in your creative > art and time invested in getting money. As an > amateur you might one > day face a limit when you realize that you can not > develop your > artistic skills much further under the restriction > of a "daytime job > life situation". > Going pro may look as an easy way to solve that > conflict. > > --> I you choose the pro path: > There is a constant conflict between having to > fulfill business > obligations and the need to dedicate quality time > into the creative > arts (after all, that is "the product" that business > relies on). You > might start to fear that you won't be able to hold > out and "stay true > to your art". > Going amateur may look as an easy way to solve that > conflict. > > As you see, this is a bizarre dilemma! The maths > doesn't work out. > Personally I'm always eager to hear about how others > manage to make a > living, especially when interested in obscure styles > that doesn't > automatically call for investors. My own > "workaround" is to work in > many other areas that are related to performing and > composing; like > offering lectures in music, writing books and > articles on music or > producing recordings of music. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 19 23:47:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EA983BF35; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:47:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=H48hst7Xq51UGjxbNe3O6RUuqH5kFKnCg408syCWHJ9Xb9mU9bXVc3EtfsOUmUnwvJ1xlnohywzQZwUXb+EW0KtYoFQfXvzVWcr74yTpru5tunMZCcj7kQuwZjESAnvqB+9Ps2puAXrHioNvnF64Z58xngHpPIGnT2MnztQ5v6U= ; Message-ID: <20051019234735.69038.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 16:47:35 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: myspace To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:47:37 +0000 (UTC) Really? I'm there now and I click play and nothing happens.... oh wait, it just takes a really long time.... listening to sedimental... NICE! Gratzie. Mark --- magicicada wrote: > myspace.com/magicicada > > On 10/19/05, Travis Hartnett > wrote: > > No, their mp3 player does work in Safari, but you > do have to keep that > > tab active since it buffers the audio and stops > buffering when you > > look at another tab. > > > > On 10/19/05, mark sottilaro > wrote: > > > sadly myspace makes you use their in browser > > > (possibily java) mp3 player that does not work > in > > > Apple's Safari browser. Direct links to the > files are > > > not allowed either. Perhaps they should change > this? > > > > > > M > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 19 23:56:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C076B3BF14; Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:56:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20051019195602.m9wxjc72oc4wocog@www.wightman.ca> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:56:02 -0400 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Pro tools [not protools] (was Re: Defining "pro") References: <20051019211146.86063.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051019211146.86063.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on server01.clifford X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-29.5 required=8.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME=0.5, RCVD_IP_216_110_224=-30 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:56:05 +0000 (UTC) As I've been considering the subject some more, a comment comes to mind. Many "amatures" buy gear because they are trying to sound "like" someone, they're sure if they could just sound like..... then people would take their music more seriously. Most "pros" that i know are busy defining their own sound, one that identifies them and is unique. They buy gear to help create the vision that is in their own mind. I used to know this great blues player who played this funky old yamaha acoustic guitar. He had the money to buy whatever guitar he wanted, he was even offered a couple of endorsements... but that old yamaha had a particular tone that he loved and that defined his sound. What I'm getting at is this, does a piece of gear do what you need it to. If that's an edp, great, if its a boss pedal, fantastic. Use what works best for you. I saw this didge player over the weekend making unbelievable music with a piece of ABS pipe.... Paul Haslem Ontario, Canada > --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > >> It came from a discussion of tools and what was an >> acceptable tool, >> and what wasn't. The needs of a professional and an >> amateur have a >> lot in common, but not entirely, and in the ongoing >> discussion of what >> makes a good looping tool, the intended audience has >> to be considered >> and classified. > > > > > __________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 20 00:02:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D4403BEFE; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 00:02:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=trmTaS/I8AE6aa4/FIS2T/V41mG+2O2tWJ9yPkWjmi4k6J3Q5VNprN9/X+BpQwU4ukGJzB57XDC9YbWUdhfTY/4N1wE2MJT32op6x+PuLI3uNE+VsUWVdSR49+M+BNa+fn0Lzl0Sc6ST+5beXQxvfk6K/sJNkl7mKyTdtTtB0Gs= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:02:14 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Pro tools [not protools] (was Re: Defining "pro") In-Reply-To: <20051019195602.m9wxjc72oc4wocog@www.wightman.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051019211146.86063.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> <20051019195602.m9wxjc72oc4wocog@www.wightman.ca> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 00:02:16 +0000 (UTC) But I'd say the most common professional, as in someone who earns their living from playing music, is the cover-band musician, whose job it is to sound like dozens of other players. There may not be much "art" in what they're doing (an entirely different OT thread), but there is a living being earned through producing music on demand. On 10/19/05, phaslem@wightman.ca wrote: > As I've been considering the subject some more, a comment comes to mind. > > Many "amatures" buy gear because they are trying to sound "like" someone, > they're sure if they could just sound like..... then people would take th= eir > music more seriously. > > Most "pros" that i know are busy defining their own sound, one that ident= ifies > them and is unique. They buy gear to help create the vision that is in th= eir > own mind. > > I used to know this great blues player who played this funky old yamaha > acoustic > guitar. He had the money to buy whatever guitar he wanted, he was even > offered a > couple of endorsements... but that old yamaha had a particular tone that = he > loved and that defined his sound. > > What I'm getting at is this, does a piece of gear do what you need it to.= If > that's an edp, great, if its a boss pedal, fantastic. Use what works best= for > you. I saw this didge player over the weekend making unbelievable music w= ith a > piece of ABS pipe.... > > Paul Haslem > Ontario, Canada > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 20 00:47:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A2BD3BF32; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 00:47:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=feKakXq1A2vxLSAzH/6mOo8T6Hq4LdSVL1jpw7UhKK/80+X+C3gpx0tb+bpG2VfETm3W+p5RsKuGHk9jaDqugYfnS++rtqexERQfWXSSFXMh1jqIzV0LTmh2GOaI8Bym5+kBuZQuTJcDE38PHqYTKsrrAa4YGRRJbb+tYlRel4k= Message-ID: <588ce11d0510191747n318c6059r687cd27fe6b7eebc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 17:47:21 -0700 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ethics (was Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius) In-Reply-To: <20051019223629.50178.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0510181224l469cf73fh6f59f3bb0e5a8d70@mail.gmail.com> <20051019223629.50178.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 00:47:23 +0000 (UTC) > The maker of Mobius gives his software away... how > could you accuse him of being anything but of the > highest ethics. Well put. If I suggested anything else, please accept my humblest apologies. Jeff, thanks for contributing such a great looping tool. I really appreciate it, and I hope to have a CD in the next few months that makes good use of it. -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 20 02:10:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B06A3BEE7; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 02:10:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4356FCC3.4050607@Hevanet.com> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:11:15 -0700 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP FCB References: <588ce11d0510181224l469cf73fh6f59f3bb0e5a8d70@mail.gmail.com> <20051019223629.50178.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <588ce11d0510191747n318c6059r687cd27fe6b7eebc@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0510191747n318c6059r687cd27fe6b7eebc@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 02:10:13 +0000 (UTC) I'm about to wade into setting up the FCB1010 to control the Echoplex. I've searched the archives a little, and found discussion...I'm wondering if someone could point out a good source, something definitive, something basic. There has to be a "jackpot" somewhere in the archives -- is there a summary at an easily-found source? Thanks, David (currently using FCB with Repeater) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 20 02:22:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 290033BF08; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 02:22:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <027301c5d51d$1e1cd0e0$2cb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <588ce11d0510181224l469cf73fh6f59f3bb0e5a8d70@mail.gmail.com> <20051019223629.50178.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <588ce11d0510191747n318c6059r687cd27fe6b7eebc@mail.gmail.com> <4356FCC3.4050607@Hevanet.com> Subject: Re: EDP FCB Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 20:22:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 353, in=144792, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 02:22:32 +0000 (UTC) Good grief....buy yourself a fifth of hard alcohol or a 12-pack of Guiness beforehand...you'll need it. :) I barely survived, and now I'm back to the EDP contoller because it has a smaller footprint. But I am using the FCB for Mobius with success. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: ".David.Auker." To: Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 8:11 PM Subject: EDP FCB > I'm about to wade into setting up the FCB1010 to control the Echoplex. > I've searched the archives a little, and found discussion...I'm > wondering if someone could point out a good source, something > definitive, something basic. There has to be a "jackpot" somewhere in > the archives -- is there a summary at an easily-found source? > > Thanks, > David (currently using FCB with Repeater) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 20 02:34:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52AAB3BF2B; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 02:34:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:16:31 -0400 Subject: Re: EDP FCB From: Craig Mitchell To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4356FCC3.4050607@Hevanet.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 02:34:53 +0000 (UTC) on 10/19/05 10:11 PM, .David.Auker. at DaVAuk@Hevanet.com wrote: > I'm about to wade into setting up the FCB1010 to control the Echoplex. > I've searched the archives a little, and found discussion...I'm > wondering if someone could point out a good source, something > definitive, something basic. There has to be a "jackpot" somewhere in > the archives -- is there a summary at an easily-found source? > > Thanks, > David (currently using FCB with Repeater) > I have both an ALL ACCESS and a FCB1010 and found the FCB extremely easy to program to operate the EDP. Craig From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 20 02:51:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A463D3BF34; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 02:51:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 22:51:50 -0400 Subject: Re: EDP FCB From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4356FCC3.4050607@Hevanet.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 02:51:59 +0000 (UTC) I use the 1010 exclusively with the echoplex. It is very easy to program. Simply use the manual to deduce how to program individual pedals, then use the oberheim to pick out those controller numbers and you'll have two banks going immediately.=20 As far as your question goes, no, I know of no definitive, easy way out... Since you use an fcb with your repeater, it seems as though your only step is the numbers to use with the oberheim. There is an excel sheet somewhere on the LD site, probably in the files section, with all the controller numbers and note numbers listed. It's in the obie manual too, of course. Really, it's very easy. If you have specific questions, I'm sure a bunch o= f us will jump in immediately to support you. I remember a lot of discussion and instruction on the list, and since you'v= e found a lot already, you probably have everything you need. Even down to arguments around whether to use notes or controllers (I use note numbers, and controllers for the cc pedals. Usually 7 and 11. So if I set my control source to 10, then my record button, which is the first pedal on th= e left of the bottom row ends up to be a note number 12 (with the +2 offset) I do hope that helps to begin with... All best, Todd On 10/19/05 10:11 PM, ".David.Auker." wrote: > I'm about to wade into setting up the FCB1010 to control the Echoplex. > I've searched the archives a little, and found discussion...I'm > wondering if someone could point out a good source, something > definitive, something basic. There has to be a "jackpot" somewhere in > the archives -- is there a summary at an easily-found source? >=20 > Thanks, > David (currently using FCB with Repeater) >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com http://www.ethelcentral.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 20 04:02:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A94633BF1A; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 04:02:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00af01c5d52b$118f4840$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: re: Defining "pro" Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:02:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 04:02:17 +0000 (UTC) SVG wrote: "And on the "Pro" vs. "Semi-Pro" vs. "amateur" topic, Robert has been able to continually do his music based on some wise real-estate investments many years ago. This by definition takes him out of the "Pro" category. It's all just talk...." I don't know, It may just be splitting hairs but my feeling is that if you make enough money to make successful investments from earnings from your music to live on and tour and put out CDs for the rest of your life, you still deserve the term 'professional' Robert Fripp tours all over the world and consistently works on the level of his artistry (which is quite professional in the loose sense of the term). I'm not even particularly fond of what he does though 'Evening Star' and the lead guitar on 'King's Lead Hat' (an anagram for talking heads) earn him a spot in my personal pantheon of great artistry. Robert Fripp is a professional. He earned it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 20 04:41:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2A943BEFA; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 04:41:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43572030.3060101@Hevanet.com> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 21:42:24 -0700 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP FCB References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 04:41:21 +0000 (UTC) Todd, Your tag at the bottom is funny to me: > ³Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the > creative part of sound² - Ornette Coleman > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- I do play classical piano, and...it's so very easy compared to this MIDI control terminology! Puck! When you say "oberheim" that's the same as Gibson, right? Loop IV... Seems like for starters, one would just get the regular commmands that the EFC footcontroller does, and of course those operate in accordance to what parameters have been set from the front panel. Andy gave me some tips, and shows the logical: bottom row 1-5 Record Overdub Multiply Undo Nextloop top row 6-10 Insert Reverse HalfSpeed Substitute Mute ...and that Notes is the way to go. On Repeater, Notes isn't really even an option, is it? I recall just CC and PC. So, Notes is a new concept to me. I'm sure the "source# offset" will be more clear when I get into it (have to pick up that fifth of hard alcohol first!) Can we still use the EFC at the same time as the FCB, and gradually make the changeover? Thanks, David todd reynolds wrote: >I use the 1010 exclusively with the echoplex. It is very easy to program. >Simply use the manual to deduce how to program individual pedals, then use >the oberheim to pick out those controller numbers and you'll have two banks >going immediately. > >As far as your question goes, no, I know of no definitive, easy way out... > >Since you use an fcb with your repeater, it seems as though your only step >is the numbers to use with the oberheim. There is an excel sheet somewhere >on the LD site, probably in the files section, with all the controller >numbers and note numbers listed. It's in the obie manual too, of course. > >Really, it's very easy. If you have specific questions, I'm sure a bunch of >us will jump in immediately to support you. > >I remember a lot of discussion and instruction on the list, and since you've >found a lot already, you probably have everything you need. Even down to >arguments around whether to use notes or controllers (I use note numbers, >and controllers for the cc pedals. Usually 7 and 11. So if I set my >control source to 10, then my record button, which is the first pedal on the >left of the bottom row ends up to be a note number 12 (with the +2 offset) >I do hope that helps to begin with... > >All best, > >Todd > > > >On 10/19/05 10:11 PM, ".David.Auker." wrote: > > > >>I'm about to wade into setting up the FCB1010 to control the Echoplex. >>I've searched the archives a little, and found discussion...I'm >>wondering if someone could point out a good source, something >>definitive, something basic. There has to be a "jackpot" somewhere in >>the archives -- is there a summary at an easily-found source? >> >>Thanks, >>David (currently using FCB with Repeater) >> >> >> > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >----- >³Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad² - Trevor Exter > >³Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the >creative part of sound² - Ornette Coleman >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >------ >Todd Reynolds >42-09 47th Ave 1C >Sunnyside, NY 11104 > >Ph. 718 392-3773 >Mob. 917 576-6166 >Fax 419 781-5502 > >http://www.toddreynolds.com >http://www.ethelcentral.com > >todd@toddreynolds.com >9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) >AIM ID: toddreyn > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 20 06:47:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 259843BF06; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 06:47:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Huv/Kzy5+yo8uT9baErd/7rOz0gJoQGUj21gEttV9GV2N3cpU9J4O5l8adSLpTqNdb0kpKdoi7rTsB5VKGj5QaR8myghVxUJ/kJE20W9mwCETrAeMx9X5ml1fUIZdH/fdLqEi4p0l9rfDG18nYE8cDW6t3x11SxvnxOq3rRwZGg= ; Message-ID: <20051020064752.96650.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:47:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Pro tools [not protools] (was Re: Defining "pro") To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051019195602.m9wxjc72oc4wocog@www.wightman.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <3KmFW.A.X4D.Y2zVDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 06:47:53 +0000 (UTC) but didn´t we all try to sound like somebody at one point?There are professional Bands outhere where you can clearly track where they are coming from(coldplay comes to mind) As we go through our little musical jorney is healthy to go back once in a while and play the music from the people that first inspired you and made us want to play.You´ll be surprised how good it feels... Luis > Many "amatures" buy gear because they are trying to > sound "like" someone, > they're sure if they could just sound like..... then > people would take their > music more seriously. www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 20 07:46:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 350843BEFA; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 07:46:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <4356FCC3.4050607@Hevanet.com> References: <588ce11d0510181224l469cf73fh6f59f3bb0e5a8d70@mail.gmail.com> <20051019223629.50178.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <588ce11d0510191747n318c6059r687cd27fe6b7eebc@mail.gmail.com> <4356FCC3.4050607@Hevanet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1A7784A9-8540-4568-A879-792B380368D3@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP FCB Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 09:45:54 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 07:46:00 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 20, 2005, at 4:11, .David.Auker. wrote: > I'm about to wade into setting up the FCB1010 to control the > Echoplex. I've searched the archives a little, and found > discussion...I'm wondering if someone could point out a good > source, something definitive, something basic. There has to be a > "jackpot" somewhere in the archives -- is there a summary at an > easily-found source? I've been changing my EDP set-up on FCB three times but anyway, here's the trick I use to come up with a good set-up: 1. Put the FCB in front of you. Look at it. Don't touch it. Notice the the bank set-up of five pads and two pedals. This is the palette you are left with (at this stage, no not yet consider bank changing). 2. Think about the functions in the EDP that you want to use. Fresh up your memory by marking them out with a pencil in the Loop4 manual. 3. Now think about which of those functions you need to jump quickly between, and visualize them on neighboring pads. In your mind, perform some looping that makes use of those buttons. If it feels fluent, go on to another bunch of functions and visualize using them on different buttons. Find the best combination of buttons and functions. 4. Program it. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 20 07:49:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D26C43BF01; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 07:49:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,235,1125874800"; d="scan'208"; a="43925216:sNHT41365842" Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051020084445.03343e10@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:48:28 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Zoom 2100 SOS In-Reply-To: <20051019185451.BC2803BF3F@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051019185451.BC2803BF3F@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 07:49:40 +0000 (UTC) There's only one version of the 2100 Set Mod Type to Delay and Rate/Pit/FB to max then use an expression pedal, or make sure the FUNCTION button is configured to work as expression ...and off you go andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 20 07:54:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB3FD3BF06; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 07:54:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <002301c5d500$1d22bfa0$8286d255@homemain> References: <75521d8a8aa2dd2a0370928fad8f2ba5@mac.com> <1E8BD845-9454-4412-88C0-D04A74EB0A75@boysen.se> <002301c5d500$1d22bfa0$8286d255@homemain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <85e303fe30f7cc18bb0e3546858cb844@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: myspace Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 02:54:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 07:54:31 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 19, 2005, at 5:54 PM, Dan Mayfield wrote: > does anyone else on the list have one? yes but i'm mistrusting of their TOS, so i don't have any music there. it's a personal page: http://www.myspace.com/suitandtieguy --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 20 08:54:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EC033BF02; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:54:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BhYfSvnNKo4S0NHPkPJeaiWF3jPmHhc35KXNPH24go8jc+1lDXcdqP8CI0SljDWcuiXo2Bnccv9Q0diTcX4e3MrpPci1ki+GH4OudfdV/D2JUyDWe61JEFJ/LQujNGfUoQuov69Vh1XMyo4oHNkaVsRpq5XtTqKb6WlC/SEjKRQ= ; Message-ID: <20051020085446.15841.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 01:54:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Defining "pro" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051019234308.30804.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:54:49 +0000 (UTC) Well i realize through this thread that i suppose i was a professional who recently turned amateur;-) I was with a succesful band for almost 8 years and quit last year partly for this reason.What started as a passion,fun,challenge and learning experience for me turned into business,commitments,stagnation and boredom.We had steady gigs every year and sold lots of CDs (and still are)shared bills with worldwide artists and created our own record company.We were there at the right time,we were the right team doing the right thing, etc. I can only say that i learned a lot from this experience and grateful that i was able to support my family through it.Before i came to europe i´d always had a partime job to support the music i wanted to do and never lived or depended on it.But coming here with nothing,and having a family forced me to go out there and use any skill i had to make a living.So it was teaching my mothers lenguage,guitar and eventually this band.Then 2 CD recordings followed and we were rolling,so i stopped teaching and concentrated and devoted all my time to this project. As the band started making more money we also started demanding more money which drifted us more into playing for corporate private parties,weddings etc.It was fun being at first winne and dine but we also stopped rehearsing because we were playing almost every weekend.Most of this parties demand that you play when they tell you to, do crowd pleasers and even repeat numbers.Then band disagreements follwed,i for one wanted to pull out of this scene but the money was to good for some of the others.For a couple of years i had been playing with the idea of quiting but signed commitments and lucrative financial offers kept me from doing it.Then one day i just woke up and thought,are you happy? for the other members(and for a lot of people that knew us)it was stupid and nonesense quitting something i had worked so hard for years,but i just couln´t go on.I´ve also heard from other "pro" musicians who say to me welcome to the real world we are eventually all hores... if thats the real world then i am content to have gotten a partime job and turn amateur again;-) i guess is also the saying "when you are through changing,you are through... Luis > > --> I you choose the pro path: > > There is a constant conflict between having to > > fulfill business > > obligations and the need to dedicate quality time > > into the creative > > arts (after all, that is "the product" that > business > > relies on). You > > might start to fear that you won't be able to hold > > out and "stay true > > to your art". > > Going amateur may look as an easy way to solve > that > > conflict. > > > > As you see, this is a bizarre dilemma! The maths > > doesn't work out. > > Personally I'm always eager to hear about how > others > > manage to make a > > living, especially when interested in obscure > styles > > that doesn't > > automatically call for investors. My own > > "workaround" is to work in > > many other areas that are related to performing > and > > composing; like > > offering lectures in music, writing books and > > articles on music or > > producing recordings of music. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.looproom.com (international) > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Music Unlimited > Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 20 11:17:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CCC53BEF6; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:17:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Clint Allen Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:55:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: myspace Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <435777B8.31994.61CCAE@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <2fb9e4730510191559w50f8dfb7ib74d13602b9a408b@mail.gmail.com> boundary="----=_Part_13009_29951397.1129762780534" X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21b) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:17:36 +0000 (UTC) On 19 Oct 2005 at 18:59, Clint Allen wrote: > www.myspace.com/haloofdistortion > It wouldn't let me add you as a friend without knowing your last name, which apparently isn't Allen! All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 20 11:17:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10BC43BF07; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:17:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: , "Dan Mayfield" Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:55:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: myspace Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <435777B8.23240.61CB66@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <002301c5d500$1d22bfa0$8286d255@homemain> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21b) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: <9vpHkC.A.0gH.Qz3VDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:17:37 +0000 (UTC) On 19 Oct 2005 at 23:54, Dan Mayfield wrote: > I have recently set up a myspace site, does anyone else on the list > have one? www.myspace.com/nickrobinsonloops > www.myspace.com/danmayfield Sorry I haven't already done this - I really enjoyed your set at the Cambridge Looping festival... All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 20 15:17:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AA3B3BEEA; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:17:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0a9101c5d589$537b9110$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:17:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0A8E_01C5D59A.16F3BF40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:17:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0A8E_01C5D59A.16F3BF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's really interesting listen to the Y2K5 performances. What I expecially like are the different approach and sounds coming out = from these recordings, where everyone shows his specific "sound" and = technics. The same sensation I got at the Zurich loopfest.=20 I'm now listen to the Ted Killian's tracks, and I have to say that I = like them very much. =20 It's a kind of meditative/ambient music, I like very much and it' well = played. Fabio Anile http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ ------=_NextPart_000_0A8E_01C5D59A.16F3BF40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    It's really = interesting listen=20 to the Y2K5 performances.
    What I expecially like = are the=20 different approach and sounds coming out from these recordings, where = everyone=20 shows his specific "sound" and technics. The same sensation I got at the = Zurich=20 loopfest.
    I'm now listen to the = Ted Killian's=20 tracks, and I have to say that I like them very much.  =
    It's a kind of = meditative/ambient=20 music, I like very much and it' well played.
     
    Fabio = Anile
    http://xoomer.virgilio.it/= eterogeneo/
     
    ------=_NextPart_000_0A8E_01C5D59A.16F3BF40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 20 16:04:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 697E93BEFE; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:04:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <032a01c5d58f$e3335940$2cb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <0a9101c5d589$537b9110$040a0a0a@fabio> Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 10:04:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0327_01C5D55D.97B6C6A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 356, in=149203, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:04:06 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0327_01C5D55D.97B6C6A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a list of new recordings coming out very soon, based on what = Rainer captured off the stream. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Fabio Anile=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 9:17 AM Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings It's really interesting listen to the Y2K5 performances. What I expecially like are the different approach and sounds coming = out from these recordings, where everyone shows his specific "sound" and = technics. The same sensation I got at the Zurich loopfest.=20 I'm now listen to the Ted Killian's tracks, and I have to say that I = like them very much. =20 It's a kind of meditative/ambient music, I like very much and it' well = played. Fabio Anile http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ ------=_NextPart_000_0327_01C5D55D.97B6C6A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    I have a list of new recordings coming = out very=20 soon, based on what Rainer captured off the stream.
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Fabio=20 Anile
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Thursday, October 20, = 2005 9:17=20 AM
    Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance=20 Recordings

    It's really=20 interesting listen to the Y2K5 performances.
    What I expecially = like are the=20 different approach and sounds coming out from these recordings, where = everyone=20 shows his specific "sound" and technics. The same sensation I got at = the=20 Zurich loopfest.
    I'm now listen to the = Ted=20 Killian's tracks, and I have to say that I like them very = much. =20
    It's a kind of = meditative/ambient=20 music, I like very much and it' well played.
     
    Fabio = Anile
    http://xoomer.virgilio.it/= eterogeneo/
     
    ------=_NextPart_000_0327_01C5D55D.97B6C6A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 20 17:58:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C61453BEF0; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:58:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <027301c5d51d$1e1cd0e0$2cb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <588ce11d0510181224l469cf73fh6f59f3bb0e5a8d70@mail.gmail.com> <20051019223629.50178.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <588ce11d0510191747n318c6059r687cd27fe6b7eebc@mail.gmail.com> <4356FCC3.4050607@Hevanet.com> <027301c5d51d$1e1cd0e0$2cb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9649B426-09F4-4077-9C5F-DD4A0067B570@bartholomusic.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: EDP FCB Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 11:38:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:58:30 +0000 (UTC) David. its really very simple. i have no idea why he wouldve said this. i have it and its a breeze. the manual it comes with explains everything. any difficulties let me know specifically. 1 thing though. u may need to reinitialize otherwise the continuous controller pedals dont work properly On Oct 19, 2005, at 9:22 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > Good grief....buy yourself a fifth of hard alcohol or a 12-pack of > Guiness > beforehand...you'll need it. :) I barely survived, and now I'm back > to the > EDP contoller because it has a smaller footprint. But I am using > the FCB for > Mobius with success. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ".David.Auker." > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 8:11 PM > Subject: EDP FCB > > > >> I'm about to wade into setting up the FCB1010 to control the >> Echoplex. >> I've searched the archives a little, and found discussion...I'm >> wondering if someone could point out a good source, something >> definitive, something basic. There has to be a "jackpot" >> somewhere in >> the archives -- is there a summary at an easily-found source? >> >> Thanks, >> David (currently using FCB with Repeater) >> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 20 18:52:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00F1C3BEF5; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:52:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=J4b9QEUNpw0lL0L9jmDDFoh+XBCHUG0KGoh46Gk7c7NOxtvwlBSBKXbkBHD69y+f; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200510420185746740@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: I have a space, too RE: myspace Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:57:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94065633b5c984356610db350ddd8f58e58350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.145.135 Resent-Message-ID: <3U6zhD.A.UCB.2d-VDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:52:38 +0000 (UTC) Well, to answer your question, yes, I do! www.myspace.com/timmungenast Now to check out yours... > [Original Message] > From: Dan Mayfield > To: > Date: 10/19/2005 6:54:48 PM > Subject: myspace > > I have recently set up a myspace site, does anyone else on the list have > one? > > www.myspace.com/danmayfield > > Lets be friends!! > > Cheers > Dan > www.danmayfield.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 20 18:59:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E08A3BF02; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:59:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [67.151.3.146] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <410-2200510420185746740@earthlink.net> From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: I have a space, too RE: myspace Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:59:11 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2005 18:59:11.0553 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B74CB10:01C5D5A8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 18:59:14 +0000 (UTC) Myspace has been great. I have met some very cool folks there... www.myspace.com/lourossi Cheers Lou >From: "Timothy Mungenast" >Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: I have a space, too RE: myspace >Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:57:46 -0400 > >Well, to answer your question, yes, I do! >www.myspace.com/timmungenast >Now to check out yours... > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Dan Mayfield > > To: > > Date: 10/19/2005 6:54:48 PM > > Subject: myspace > > > > I have recently set up a myspace site, does anyone else on the list have > > one? > > > > www.myspace.com/danmayfield > > > > Lets be friends!! > > > > Cheers > > Dan > > www.danmayfield.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 20 19:10:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6037F3BF0B; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:10:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=WJmvDcC/b4ub/RMwzLN8JGRkQme6W7Oae39Y5b202hlDp/By9QNkIdz3gV+wLKxA; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200510420191559650@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: "stephen goodman" Subject: RE: Zoom 2100 SOS Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:15:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940852c63543ad4cb18d8805a27abe555c7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.145.135 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:10:51 +0000 (UTC) Shame on me for not picking that up after x number of times reading the manual! Thanks to you and to Stephen! Yours in Gibson Non-reverse Firebird, Tim > [Original Message] > From: a k butler > To: > Date: 10/20/2005 3:49:40 AM > Subject: Zoom 2100 SOS > > There's only one version of the 2100 > > Set Mod Type to Delay > > and Rate/Pit/FB to max > > then use an expression pedal, > or make sure the FUNCTION button is configured > to work as expression > > ...and off you go > > andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 20 19:39:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 357853BF08; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:39:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03c101c5d5ad$fa2dc810$2cb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung-2" To: References: <588ce11d0510181224l469cf73fh6f59f3bb0e5a8d70@mail.gmail.com> <20051019223629.50178.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <588ce11d0510191747n318c6059r687cd27fe6b7eebc@mail.gmail.com> <4356FCC3.4050607@Hevanet.com> <027301c5d51d$1e1cd0e0$2cb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <9649B426-09F4-4077-9C5F-DD4A0067B570@bartholomusic.com> Subject: Re: EDP FCB Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:38:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 194, in=498, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <0gsS_C.A.2RC.wJ_VDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:39:29 +0000 (UTC) Well, I was partially joking, but the unit is not the most intuitive, and having been a professional technical writer in the past, the manual has much to be desired. Suffice it to say that I've had a much easier time programming other similar units. My main problems were around the unit sending other messages to the EDPs, which were causing them to behave. So I had to basically go through and inspect every setting to ensure that it was sending nothing but notes to the EDPs, etc. It would be nice to have an LED or a way to program the unit graphically via the PC. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Bartholomew" To: Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 10:38 AM Subject: Re: EDP FCB > David. its really very simple. > i have no idea why he wouldve said this. i have it and its a breeze. > the manual it comes with explains everything. any difficulties let me > know specifically. > > 1 thing though. u may need to reinitialize otherwise the continuous > controller pedals dont work properly > > On Oct 19, 2005, at 9:22 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > > > Good grief....buy yourself a fifth of hard alcohol or a 12-pack of > > Guiness > > beforehand...you'll need it. :) I barely survived, and now I'm back > > to the > > EDP contoller because it has a smaller footprint. But I am using > > the FCB for > > Mobius with success. > > > > Kris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: ".David.Auker." > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 8:11 PM > > Subject: EDP FCB > > > > > > > >> I'm about to wade into setting up the FCB1010 to control the > >> Echoplex. > >> I've searched the archives a little, and found discussion...I'm > >> wondering if someone could point out a good source, something > >> definitive, something basic. There has to be a "jackpot" > >> somewhere in > >> the archives -- is there a summary at an easily-found source? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> David (currently using FCB with Repeater) > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 20 19:42:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54CF33BF1A; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:42:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.237.219.66] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "jondrums" To: References: <588ce11d0510181224l469cf73fh6f59f3bb0e5a8d70@mail.gmail.com> <20051019223629.50178.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <588ce11d0510191747n318c6059r687cd27fe6b7eebc@mail.gmail.com> <4356FCC3.4050607@Hevanet.com> <1A7784A9-8540-4568-A879-792B380368D3@boysen.se> Subject: Re: EDP FCB Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:42:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2005 19:42:00.0959 (UTC) FILETIME=[56F108F0:01C5D5AE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:42:03 +0000 (UTC) I know this sounds obvious but I haven't seen other people doing it. I put some tape in a strip above each of the control pedals on the FCB1010 and wrote in what function they do in each of the three banks I have programmed. Its kind of too small to easily read standing up, but you could try color coding, symbols, whatever works. I pretty much have bank1 memorized, and use 2 and 3 for slightly more specialized functions so its nice to have the cheat sheet there. I also copied and pasted stuff from the pdf manual into a spreadsheet and organized everything there for all my midi devices so I don't have to go flipping through manuals to figure out which PG, CC, of NOTE controls what, ect. Also, write down what midi channel numbers each device you have is supposed to be set to and stick this to your FCB - you will thank me sometime in the future when things aren't working right becuase you added a new device and its interfering with midi data on a certain channel. Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 20 19:43:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6260F3BEFB; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:43:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Ib0FymRSbKClybwJfghyid7x4r6IOEOjKyFzcExVeHtCepwcNXSZuiYJvE5bSjhcXHNAiS68vtbqBdxXUPLLIhK5BkUEngru6vxhs+DP2zeRn/ArTS0vRiS6nYqHwkWG9/M7ouiXRLp0MmjHBEyKAjImEvbS3sylFHb31NM349s= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:43:30 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP FCB In-Reply-To: <03c101c5d5ad$fa2dc810$2cb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0510181224l469cf73fh6f59f3bb0e5a8d70@mail.gmail.com> <20051019223629.50178.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <588ce11d0510191747n318c6059r687cd27fe6b7eebc@mail.gmail.com> <4356FCC3.4050607@Hevanet.com> <027301c5d51d$1e1cd0e0$2cb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <9649B426-09F4-4077-9C5F-DD4A0067B570@bartholomusic.com> <03c101c5d5ad$fa2dc810$2cb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <2T1O-B.A.UfC.jN_VDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:43:31 +0000 (UTC) I thought there was a Windows only editor for the FCB? TravisH On 10/20/05, Kris Hartung-2 wrote: > Well, I was partially joking, but the unit is not the most intuitive, and > having been a professional technical writer in the past, the manual has m= uch > to be desired. Suffice it to say that I've had a much easier time > programming other similar units. My main problems were around the unit > sending other messages to the EDPs, which were causing them to behave. So= I > had to basically go through and inspect every setting to ensure that it w= as > sending nothing but notes to the EDPs, etc. It would be nice to have an L= ED > or a way to program the unit graphically via the PC. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adrian Bartholomew" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 10:38 AM > Subject: Re: EDP FCB > > > > David. its really very simple. > > i have no idea why he wouldve said this. i have it and its a breeze. > > the manual it comes with explains everything. any difficulties let me > > know specifically. > > > > 1 thing though. u may need to reinitialize otherwise the continuous > > controller pedals dont work properly > > > > On Oct 19, 2005, at 9:22 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > > > > > Good grief....buy yourself a fifth of hard alcohol or a 12-pack of > > > Guiness > > > beforehand...you'll need it. :) I barely survived, and now I'm back > > > to the > > > EDP contoller because it has a smaller footprint. But I am using > > > the FCB for > > > Mobius with success. > > > > > > Kris > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: ".David.Auker." > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 8:11 PM > > > Subject: EDP FCB > > > > > > > > > > > >> I'm about to wade into setting up the FCB1010 to control the > > >> Echoplex. > > >> I've searched the archives a little, and found discussion...I'm > > >> wondering if someone could point out a good source, something > > >> definitive, something basic. There has to be a "jackpot" > > >> somewhere in > > >> the archives -- is there a summary at an easily-found source? > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> David (currently using FCB with Repeater) > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 20 19:46:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A66B3BF22; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:46:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:45:58 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: EDP FCB In-reply-to: <03c101c5d5ad$fa2dc810$2cb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4357F3F6.6030504@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <588ce11d0510181224l469cf73fh6f59f3bb0e5a8d70@mail.gmail.com> <20051019223629.50178.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <588ce11d0510191747n318c6059r687cd27fe6b7eebc@mail.gmail.com> <4356FCC3.4050607@Hevanet.com> <027301c5d51d$1e1cd0e0$2cb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <9649B426-09F4-4077-9C5F-DD4A0067B570@bartholomusic.com> <03c101c5d5ad$fa2dc810$2cb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <-b4LvB.A.xjC.9P_VDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:46:05 +0000 (UTC) Kris Hartung-2 wrote: > Well, I was partially joking, but the unit is not the most intuitive, and > having been a professional technical writer in the past, the manual has much > to be desired. Suffice it to say that I've had a much easier time > programming other similar units. My main problems were around the unit > sending other messages to the EDPs, which were causing them to behave. So I > had to basically go through and inspect every setting to ensure that it was > sending nothing but notes to the EDPs, etc. It would be nice to have an LED > or a way to program the unit graphically via the PC. There is supposedly a Windows editor for the FCB available on the FCB yahoo group. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fcb1010/ I don't use it myself, I prefer hard liquor. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 20 19:46:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D94C73BF13; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:46:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: EDP FCB Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 15:46:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <03c101c5d5ad$fa2dc810$2cb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcXVrfxdql4Vv664TEOvAKGnsH2UUQAAIZQw Message-ID: <0MKp2t-1ESgNF0O7H-0002xW@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:46:50 +0000 (UTC) Now there are several free editors available, and they make programming it incredibly easy. Look on the FCB Yahoo Group list for them. Also, someone is actually rewriting the firmware adding new functions as well. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com >It would be nice to have an LED or a way to > program the unit graphically via the PC. > > Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 20 19:57:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CD703BF13; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:57:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03f901c5d5b0$7b95c360$2cb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung-2" To: References: <588ce11d0510181224l469cf73fh6f59f3bb0e5a8d70@mail.gmail.com> <20051019223629.50178.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <588ce11d0510191747n318c6059r687cd27fe6b7eebc@mail.gmail.com> <4356FCC3.4050607@Hevanet.com> <1A7784A9-8540-4568-A879-792B380368D3@boysen.se> Subject: Re: EDP FCB Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:56:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 194, in=499, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 19:57:23 +0000 (UTC) Yup. did that too...white electrical tape over the buttons. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "jondrums" To: Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 1:42 PM Subject: Re: EDP FCB > I know this sounds obvious but I haven't seen other people doing it. I put > some tape in a strip above each of the control pedals on the FCB1010 and > wrote in what function they do in each of the three banks I have programmed. > Its kind of too small to easily read standing up, but you could try color > coding, symbols, whatever works. I pretty much have bank1 memorized, and > use 2 and 3 for slightly more specialized functions so its nice to have the > cheat sheet there. > > I also copied and pasted stuff from the pdf manual into a spreadsheet and > organized everything there for all my midi devices so I don't have to go > flipping through manuals to figure out which PG, CC, of NOTE controls what, > ect. > > Also, write down what midi channel numbers each device you have is supposed > to be set to and stick this to your FCB - you will thank me sometime in the > future when things aren't working right becuase you added a new device and > its interfering with midi data on a certain channel. > > Jon > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 20 21:04:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17DF33BEFF; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:04:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43580681.7020603@Hevanet.com> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:05:05 -0700 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP FCB References: <588ce11d0510181224l469cf73fh6f59f3bb0e5a8d70@mail.gmail.com> <20051019223629.50178.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <588ce11d0510191747n318c6059r687cd27fe6b7eebc@mail.gmail.com> <4356FCC3.4050607@Hevanet.com> <1A7784A9-8540-4568-A879-792B380368D3@boysen.se> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:04:02 +0000 (UTC) I've got my 2+ banks of FCB-Repeater commands written down, taped to the rack side. Formerly I relied on my memory (not good), but after a period of little looping ("Little Latin Lupe Lu?"), I was not real sure what I'd programmed. Then someone posted here what they'd found on the archives as a sample of a FCB-Repeater setup. It turned out to be mine, what I'd posted way earlier! Won't lose it again... David jondrums wrote: > I know this sounds obvious but I haven't seen other people doing it. > I put some tape in a strip above each of the control pedals on the > FCB1010 and wrote in what function they do in each of the three banks > I have programmed. Its kind of too small to easily read standing up, > but you could try color coding, symbols, whatever works. I pretty > much have bank1 memorized, and use 2 and 3 for slightly more > specialized functions so its nice to have the cheat sheet there. > > I also copied and pasted stuff from the pdf manual into a spreadsheet > and organized everything there for all my midi devices so I don't have > to go flipping through manuals to figure out which PG, CC, of NOTE > controls what, ect. > > Also, write down what midi channel numbers each device you have is > supposed to be set to and stick this to your FCB - you will thank me > sometime in the future when things aren't working right becuase you > added a new device and its interfering with midi data on a certain > channel. > > Jon > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 20 21:05:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39F903BF14; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:05:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:05:50 -0700 Subject: Re: I have a space, too RE: myspace Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--936188089 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <410-2200510420185746740@earthlink.net> Message-Id: <4B3FDB85-41AD-11DA-B94C-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:05:53 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--936188089 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Me also: My band's myspace: http://www.myspace.com/eleveneyes My personal, sadly and pathetically friendless myspace: http://www.myspace.com/newandimprov On Thursday, October 20, 2005, at 11:57 AM, Timothy Mungenast wrote: > Well, to answer your question, yes, I do! > www.myspace.com/timmungenast > Now to check out yours... > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Dan Mayfield >> To: >> Date: 10/19/2005 6:54:48 PM >> Subject: myspace >> >> I have recently set up a myspace site, does anyone else on the list >> have >> one? >> >> www.myspace.com/danmayfield >> >> Lets be friends!! >> >> Cheers >> Dan >> www.danmayfield.com > > --Apple-Mail-2--936188089 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Me also: My band's myspace: http://www.myspace.com/eleveneyes My personal, sadly and pathetically friendless myspace: http://www.myspace.com/newandimprovVerdana On Thursday, October 20, 2005, at 11:57 AM, Timothy Mungenast wrote: Well, to answer your question, yes, I do! www.myspace.com/timmungenast Now to check out yours... [Original Message] From: Dan Mayfield < To: < Date: 10/19/2005 6:54:48 PM Subject: myspace I have recently set up a myspace site, does anyone else on the list have one? www.myspace.com/danmayfield Lets be friends!! Cheers Dan www.danmayfield.com --Apple-Mail-2--936188089-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 20 21:19:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C98BB3BF13; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:19:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43580A05.8060609@Hevanet.com> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:20:05 -0700 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP FCB References: <588ce11d0510181224l469cf73fh6f59f3bb0e5a8d70@mail.gmail.com> <20051019223629.50178.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <588ce11d0510191747n318c6059r687cd27fe6b7eebc@mail.gmail.com> <4356FCC3.4050607@Hevanet.com> <027301c5d51d$1e1cd0e0$2cb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <9649B426-09F4-4077-9C5F-DD4A0067B570@bartholomusic.com> In-Reply-To: <9649B426-09F4-4077-9C5F-DD4A0067B570@bartholomusic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:19:00 +0000 (UTC) Adrian, Thanks for the encouragement (and Kris, too, for the "spiritual" encouragement!). I'm planning on holding some FCB buttons down later today. One question: for setting the MIDI channel, is that done 'globally," and does that mean when I set Note to channel 2 it will match EDP channel 2, but if I were to want to use Note control for another device, it would have to be on the same channel? David Adrian Bartholomew wrote: > David. its really very simple. > i have no idea why he wouldve said this. i have it and its a breeze. > the manual it comes with explains everything. any difficulties let me > know specifically. > > 1 thing though. u may need to reinitialize otherwise the continuous > controller pedals dont work properly > > On Oct 19, 2005, at 9:22 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > >> Good grief....buy yourself a fifth of hard alcohol or a 12-pack of >> Guiness >> beforehand...you'll need it. :) I barely survived, and now I'm back >> to the >> EDP contoller because it has a smaller footprint. But I am using the >> FCB for >> Mobius with success. >> >> Kris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: ".David.Auker." >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 8:11 PM >> Subject: EDP FCB >> >> >> >>> I'm about to wade into setting up the FCB1010 to control the Echoplex. >>> I've searched the archives a little, and found discussion...I'm >>> wondering if someone could point out a good source, something >>> definitive, something basic. There has to be a "jackpot" somewhere in >>> the archives -- is there a summary at an easily-found source? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> David (currently using FCB with Repeater) >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 20 21:30:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59A0F3BF24; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:30:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <43580A05.8060609@Hevanet.com> References: <588ce11d0510181224l469cf73fh6f59f3bb0e5a8d70@mail.gmail.com> <20051019223629.50178.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <588ce11d0510191747n318c6059r687cd27fe6b7eebc@mail.gmail.com> <4356FCC3.4050607@Hevanet.com> <027301c5d51d$1e1cd0e0$2cb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <9649B426-09F4-4077-9C5F-DD4A0067B570@bartholomusic.com> <43580A05.8060609@Hevanet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2D2B1BCB-2D27-4EEE-8D8E-2C2788630677@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP FCB Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:30:22 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:30:26 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 20, 2005, at 23:20, .David.Auker. wrote: > Adrian, Thanks for the encouragement (and Kris, too, for the > "spiritual" encouragement!). > > I'm planning on holding some FCB buttons down later today. > One question: for setting the MIDI channel, is that done > 'globally," and does that mean when I set Note to channel 2 it will > match EDP channel 2, but if I were to want to use Note control for > another device, it would have to be on the same channel? > David Yes, exactly! You can get around overlapping note numbers by offsetting the EDP note numbers ("MIDI/Source"). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 20 21:52:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E18D3BF1A; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:52:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.237.219.66] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "jondrums" To: References: <0MKp2t-1ESgNF0O7H-0002xW@mrelay.perfora.net> Subject: Re: EDP FCB Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 14:52:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Oct 2005 21:52:31.0865 (UTC) FILETIME=[92867690:01C5D5C0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:52:33 +0000 (UTC) > Now there are several free editors available, and they make programming it > incredibly easy. Look on the FCB Yahoo Group list for them. I don't know if there are several, but I know of at least one that works well. I started a yahoo group to develop this a few years back called "fcb1010_sysex" If you find this group on groups.yahoo.com and subscribe, there is an installer for windows in the files area. Most development on the software has stopped, but there are lots of developers still on the list if anyone wants to add features, ect. It is a primarily technical group and I understand you can also get the same programmer if you join: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fcb1010/ Probably the best bet if you don't care about the technical details and just want the program. >Also, someone is > actually rewriting the firmware adding new functions as well. Actually I believe the push is to fix a few bugs - in particular there is a pretty nasty midi merge bug which can lose the note-off portion and leave notes on. This has already been fixed may or may not be available to someone willing to open their FCB erase and reburn the EPROMS in there. Of course its undocumented nor supported but apparently it works. I haven't tried it but I keep meaning to because that's one seriously annoying bug. Anyway, if you're interested, subscribe to the yahoo group "fcb1010_reverse". If there are any good embedded programmers in the bunch get over to the fcb1010_reverse group now and lets stir up some customized madness on the FCB... Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 20 22:26:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 967833BF11; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:26:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: EDP FCB Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 00:27:46 +0200 Message-ID: <000301c5d5c5$7f782120$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <03c101c5d5ad$fa2dc810$2cb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:26:29 +0000 (UTC) Personally, I didn't have any trouble with the manual. Now if that shouldn't be an encouragement to you (and to anyone else who cares to listen) to finally stop using these online translators and learn German for real! ;-) Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Kris Hartung-2 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. Oktober 2005 21:39 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: EDP FCB Well, I was partially joking, but the unit is not the most intuitive, and having been a professional technical writer in the past, the manual has much to be desired. Suffice it to say that I've had a much easier time programming other similar units. My main problems were around the unit sending other messages to the EDPs, which were causing them to behave. So I had to basically go through and inspect every setting to ensure that it was sending nothing but notes to the EDPs, etc. It would be nice to have an LED or a way to program the unit graphically via the PC. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Adrian Bartholomew" To: Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 10:38 AM Subject: Re: EDP FCB > David. its really very simple. > i have no idea why he wouldve said this. i have it and its a breeze.=20 > the manual it comes with explains everything. any difficulties let me=20 > know specifically. > > 1 thing though. u may need to reinitialize otherwise the continuous=20 > controller pedals dont work properly > > On Oct 19, 2005, at 9:22 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > > > Good grief....buy yourself a fifth of hard alcohol or a 12-pack of=20 > > Guiness beforehand...you'll need it. :) I barely survived, and now=20 > > I'm back to the > > EDP contoller because it has a smaller footprint. But I am using > > the FCB for > > Mobius with success. > > > > Kris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: ".David.Auker." > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 8:11 PM > > Subject: EDP FCB > > > > > > > >> I'm about to wade into setting up the FCB1010 to control the=20 > >> Echoplex. I've searched the archives a little, and found=20 > >> discussion...I'm wondering if someone could point out a good=20 > >> source, something definitive, something basic. There has to be a=20 > >> "jackpot" somewhere in > >> the archives -- is there a summary at an easily-found source? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> David (currently using FCB with Repeater) > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 20 23:20:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9180C3BF2B; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:20:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <047c01c5d5cc$e8499bf0$2cb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <000301c5d5c5$7f782120$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Subject: Re: EDP FCB Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:20:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 356, in=149517, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:20:54 +0000 (UTC) Ah yes... hah hah....you got me on that one, Rainer! :) No more toddler level German for me. Of course, here at HP, we have an ongoing perception that our German counter-parts are always much more thorough and detailed in their reports and documentation. Everything is explained in meticulous detail. Although I found the translator to work relatively well with Sunao, so I thought. Sunao - ã“ã®ãƒ¡ãƒƒã‚»ãƒ¼ã‚¸ã¯ã‚ãªãŸã«æ˜Žç¢ºã§ã‚ã‚‹ã‹ã€‚ Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 4:27 PM Subject: AW: EDP FCB Personally, I didn't have any trouble with the manual. Now if that shouldn't be an encouragement to you (and to anyone else who cares to listen) to finally stop using these online translators and learn German for real! ;-) Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Kris Hartung-2 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. Oktober 2005 21:39 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: EDP FCB Well, I was partially joking, but the unit is not the most intuitive, and having been a professional technical writer in the past, the manual has much to be desired. Suffice it to say that I've had a much easier time programming other similar units. My main problems were around the unit sending other messages to the EDPs, which were causing them to behave. So I had to basically go through and inspect every setting to ensure that it was sending nothing but notes to the EDPs, etc. It would be nice to have an LED or a way to program the unit graphically via the PC. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Bartholomew" To: Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 10:38 AM Subject: Re: EDP FCB > David. its really very simple. > i have no idea why he wouldve said this. i have it and its a breeze. > the manual it comes with explains everything. any difficulties let me > know specifically. > > 1 thing though. u may need to reinitialize otherwise the continuous > controller pedals dont work properly > > On Oct 19, 2005, at 9:22 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > > > Good grief....buy yourself a fifth of hard alcohol or a 12-pack of > > Guiness beforehand...you'll need it. :) I barely survived, and now > > I'm back to the > > EDP contoller because it has a smaller footprint. But I am using > > the FCB for > > Mobius with success. > > > > Kris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: ".David.Auker." > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 8:11 PM > > Subject: EDP FCB > > > > > > > >> I'm about to wade into setting up the FCB1010 to control the > >> Echoplex. I've searched the archives a little, and found > >> discussion...I'm wondering if someone could point out a good > >> source, something definitive, something basic. There has to be a > >> "jackpot" somewhere in > >> the archives -- is there a summary at an easily-found source? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> David (currently using FCB with Repeater) > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 20 23:27:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 618E43BF2E; Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:27:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <049201c5d5cd$d00a6000$2cb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 17:27:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_048F_01C5D59B.84A01CE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 19, in=11456, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:27:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_048F_01C5D59B.84A01CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Latest additions of Y2K5 performances, more on the way: Goh Nakamura http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1035892.html Stanosaur http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034479.html Scott Drengsen http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034478.html Ute Bonn http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1036700.html Herb Heinz & Tim Thompson http://nosuchmedia.com/audio/hoopla_y2k5.mp3 Bernhard Wagner Part One - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987792.html Part Two (Verbal Intro) - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/991792.html Part Two - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/991793.html Part Three - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987794.html Part Four (with Max Valentino) - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987795.html Max Valentino Part One (with Bernhard Wagner) - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/992129.html Ted Killian Rick's Intro and Ted Warming Up - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987388.html Part One - Guitar Dyslexia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985656.html Part Two - Guitar Dysphasia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985657.html Part Three - Guitar Dyspasia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/988212.html Greg Powers http://box.net/public/khartung/files/976586.html Ghost 7 http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975372.html Krispen Hartung http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html ------=_NextPart_000_048F_01C5D59B.84A01CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Latest additions of Y2K5 performances, = more on the=20 way:
     
    Goh = Nakamura
     
    Stanosaur
     
    Scott = Drengsen
     
    Ute Bonn
     
    Herb Heinz & Tim=20 Thompson
     
    Bernhard Wagner
     
    Part Four (with Max Valentino) - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987795.html
     
    Max Valentino
     
    Part One (with Bernhard Wagner) = - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/992129.html
     
    Ted Killian
     
    Rick's Intro and Ted Warming Up - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987388.html
    Part Three - Guitar Dyspasia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/988212.html=
     
    Greg = Powers
     
    Ghost 7
     
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    http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html
     
    ------=_NextPart_000_048F_01C5D59B.84A01CE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 21 01:28:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D62F3BEFA; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 01:28:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:28:39 EDT Subject: Re: Y2K5 Performance Recordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_fb.7b8bf5fc.30899e47_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: YES Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 01:28:42 +0000 (UTC) --part1_fb.7b8bf5fc.30899e47_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fabio, In a message dated 10/20/05 8:17:43 AM, fabio.anile@tiscali.it writes: > I'm now listen to the Ted Killian's tracks, and I have to say that I like=20 > them very much.=A0 > It's a kind of meditative/ambient music, I like very much and it' well=20 > played. >=20 Thanks! That's very kind of you to say so. I'm a fan of your music too. You=20 posted a link back when you joined the LD list and I really enjoyed listening to "La=20 Musique" and "Liquid Day" very much. I still have them in my iTunes on my computer. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn PS. Buy "Flux Aeterna" from CDBaby during the months of September and October and all of my portion of the profits will be automatically donated to the Red Cross by CDBaby specifically for Gulf Coast hurricane relief. "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_fb.7b8bf5fc.30899e47_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fabio,

    In a message dated 10/20/05 8:17:43 AM, fabio.anile@tiscali.it writes:

    I'm now listen to the= Ted Killian's tracks, and I have to say that I like them very much.=A0 It's a kind of meditative/ambient music, I like very much and it' well pl= ayed.

    Thanks! That's very kind of you to say so. I'm a fan of your music too. You=20= posted a link
    back when you joined the LD list and I really enjoyed listening to "La Musiq= ue" and "Liquid
    Day" very much. I still have them in my iTunes on my computer.

    Best regards,

    tEd =AE kiLLiAn

    PS. Buy "Flux Aeterna" from CDBaby during the months of September
    and October and all of my portion of the profits will be automatically
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    "Different is not always better, but better is always different"

    http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
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    Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
    BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
    AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
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     --part1_fb.7b8bf5fc.30899e47_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 21 02:58:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F25483BF02; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 02:58:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: EDP FCB Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:58:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcXVwJPMK0DltjonRPehAN7ljSxAqQAKabgA Message-ID: <0MKoyl-1ESn7911Vv-0006rd@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: <2mmDcB.A.ICH.jlFWDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 02:58:43 +0000 (UTC) No, this push is to actually add new features too- check the main FCB list, and there are already 2 'unofficial' firmware releases out, as well as a 3rd on the way. Below is the actual release notes for the Unofficial version...maybe this can help some loopers deciding on the FCB? Oh the annoying 'flashing 88' midi merge bug is fixed too. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com DISCLAIMER" ------------ This version is an UNOFFICIAL firmware upgrade, which does NOT come from Behringer. It is an upgrade which I coded to solve some problems, and which is working very fine on my unit. But still, I share this version without giving any guarantee on its correct working. Changes, compared to previous UnO version 1.0.0 : ------------------------------------------------- - TAPTEMPO messages, automatically generated by the FCB together with NoteOn messages, can be disabled ( = global setting ) - Extended toggling possibilities for CC messages. Toggling CC messages between 2 values was possible before, but had a number of restrictions : the setup of the 2 CC messages needed to be combined, both messages needed to be set up (globally) to use the same midi channel With the new version, it is possible, in the patch setup, to enter 2 values for EACH CC message, and to enable or disable toggling for EACH of the 2 CC messages. - Introduction of "Momentary" patches (not in direct select mode) It is now possible to define if a patch is a "real" patch, or a "momentary" patch. When pressing a footswitch of a momentary patch, all its messages are sent, but the patch is not selected. This means that its keyLED does not light up, the previous "real" patch stays selected. - Possibility to inverse the relay action (from normally open to normally closed) When combined with the current possibility to have momentary action on the relay (instead of toggling), the contact can be closed by default, and open while a patch footswitch is pressed. This mode enables simulating a damper pedal using 1 of the footswitches ( Roland for instance uses a normally-closed damper switch ) - Possibility to keep using the expression pedal while a footswitch is depressed (not in direct select mode) Again a necessity for instance when you want to simulate a damper pedal with a footswitch. - Added functionality for transposing the incoming midi stream. It is possible to program a transpose value between -12 and +12 for each patch. Which means that all notes of a keyboard, connected to the FCB midi-in, can be transposed in a +/- 1 octave range. When a patch is programmed to transpose, the LCD shows the transpose value (-12...+12) on the highest 2 digits. The bank number is still shown on the lowest digit (not in direct select mode) On top of that, it is possible to change the transpose value while playing. While keeping any footswitch depressed, press the up or down switch to change the transpose value in +/- 1 half tone steps. The LCD shows the updated transpose value. (again, not in direct select mode) - Possibility to send SYSEX messages instead of CC or PC messages Each of the 7 messages in each patch can be defined to be sent as a sysex command instead of a CC or PC message. This means that instead of " C0 - [number] ", following sysex message is sent : "F0-id1-id2-id3-[number]-F7" instead of " B0 - [number] - [value]", following sysex message is sent : "F0-id1-id2-id3-[number]-[value]-F7" Id1, id2 and id3 can be defined globally (through global setup.) - Extended memory initialization The extra possibilities of this firmware version obviously use a part of the internal memory space which was not used before. Therefore, after upgrading the FCB, it is necessary (or at least adviseable) to initialize this memory. This is done by pressing key 1 + key 9 during startup. The config LED starts flashing, and the LCD counts down from 9 to 0. After initialization, all extra features are inactive, so the FCB reacts the same way as before the upgrade ( current patch data should not be influenced by the upgrade, although it is always adviseable to store a patchdump of your current setup on PC before upgrading ) - Specific reply to the "version request" sysex command : When receiving message F0-00-20-32-01-0C-40-F7, this firmware version responds with F0-00-20-32-01-0C-01-0E-F7 In this message, the 8th byte (0E) identifies the "unOfficial" firmware branch ( the official Behringer firmware returns 0D) and the 7th byte (01) identifies the version. > > Actually I believe the push is to fix a few bugs - in > particular there is a pretty nasty midi merge bug which can > lose the note-off portion and leave > notes on. This has already been fixed may or may not be > available to > someone willing to open their FCB erase and reburn the EPROMS > in there. Of > course its undocumented nor supported but apparently it > works. I haven't tried it but I keep meaning to because > that's one seriously annoying bug. > Anyway, if you're interested, subscribe to the yahoo group > "fcb1010_reverse". > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 21 03:42:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 917473BF06; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 03:42:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: EDP FCB Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:42:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <43580A05.8060609@Hevanet.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcXVu+P07sIjmoToRoi9kyROtQqYTwANS01w Message-ID: <0MKoyl-1ESnnE2GOf-0007iS@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 03:42:10 +0000 (UTC) Well, note on channels of the FCB are set globally, so there is no way to control another device unless it is on the same midi channel. This is a huge oversight on Behringer's part, and their limited memory doesn't even allow a reverse-engineer of this feature. Midi channels for program changes (5 per preset) are set globally too. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > One question: for setting the MIDI channel, is that done > 'globally," and does that mean when I set Note to channel 2 > it will match EDP channel 2, but if I were to want to use > Note control for another device, it would have to be on the > same channel? > > David > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 21 04:33:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8373F3BEEE; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 04:33:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43586FF5.4040207@Hevanet.com> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:35:01 -0700 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP FCB References: <588ce11d0510181224l469cf73fh6f59f3bb0e5a8d70@mail.gmail.com> <20051019223629.50178.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <588ce11d0510191747n318c6059r687cd27fe6b7eebc@mail.gmail.com> <4356FCC3.4050607@Hevanet.com> <1A7784A9-8540-4568-A879-792B380368D3@boysen.se> In-Reply-To: <1A7784A9-8540-4568-A879-792B380368D3@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 04:33:58 +0000 (UTC) > On Oct 20, 2005, at 4:11, .David.Auker. wrote: > >> I'm about to wade into setting up the FCB1010 to control the Echoplex. > Got it! Virtual Buttons is mine! It wasn't that painful, and the FCB feels so nice and solid (compared to the EFC-7). I just set it as Andy had suggested, with the five "main" (for me, anyway) functions on lower five preset buttons: Record, Overdub, Multiply, Undo, NextLoop, 5 others on top. I'm on Bank 09, with Banks 1-3 for Repeater. In FCB Global, I got the MIDI channel set ok for Note (2), but then somehow when I was programming the Presets, instead of individually programming 1-10, I somehow programmed Preset 1's 10 options of PC, CC, EXP, Note. Something wasn't going right at the end of that process, so that was the hint I needed to start over. Then it went fine. Important: for each Preset, only the Note will be used, so any other button light needs to be just turned off/deactivated (long press)...otherwise that Preset is going to do things you don't want! Nice to not have the FCB AND the EFC-7 on the floor! Thanks for the help and encouragement! David ---on another subject, I can't believe how quickly my post appears back to me as mail. I'm on some other lists, and this is the quickest "turnaround." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 21 05:20:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD9513BF0E; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 05:20:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 01:29:31 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: looping gear pro/con moment (iheart batteries) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 05:20:17 +0000 (UTC) Setting up for a show this evening (I was playing solo sppoky theremin before a stage production of Henry James' ghost story _The Turn of the Screw_), I realized that I'd accidentally not packed the AC adapters for my Boss RC-20 Loopstation and my Digitech Jamman (I'd managed to not forget the adapter for the Akai Headrush). Given I was doing layered loops of ghostly conversations andd was out-of-town, I was, umm, stuck. But! The Boss RC-20 runs on 6 AA batteries. Two minutes later, I was up and going with at least two loopers to layer underneath the live theremin signal. Admittedly this wouldn't have been a problem if I'd packed more carefully. But the battery feature of the RC-20 made my evening much easier to recover from my own carelessness. regards, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 21 07:31:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F11703BEEC; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:31:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20051020235237.04157998@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 00:31:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP FCB In-Reply-To: <43586FF5.4040207@Hevanet.com> References: <588ce11d0510181224l469cf73fh6f59f3bb0e5a8d70@mail.gmail.com> <20051019223629.50178.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <588ce11d0510191747n318c6059r687cd27fe6b7eebc@mail.gmail.com> <4356FCC3.4050607@Hevanet.com> <1A7784A9-8540-4568-A879-792B380368D3@boysen.se> <43586FF5.4040207@Hevanet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:31:53 +0000 (UTC) At 09:35 PM 10/20/2005, .David.Auker. wrote: >>>I'm about to wade into setting up the FCB1010 to control the Echoplex. >Got it! Virtual Buttons is mine! It wasn't that painful, Hi David, I'm glad you got that working. I don't own the FCB pedal, so I'm really grateful that others here could help you out with that. > Nice to not have the FCB AND the EFC-7 on the floor! to answer one of your previous questions, you can indeed use them in parallel if you wish. >---on another subject, I can't believe how quickly my post appears back to >me as mail. I'm on some other lists, and this is the quickest "turnaround." Thanks! I'm glad you noticed. A tremendous amount of time and effort goes on behind the scenes to make sure Looper's Delight functions well. We recently completed a major server upgrade for the site, and the transition went so smoothly that nobody noticed. This is one of the reasons for the quick turn around on list postings. I hope you continue to enjoy LD! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 21 08:13:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CF083BF0B; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:13:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,239,1125874800"; d="scan'208"; a="42023014:sNHT28062272" Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051021084835.03266250@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:54:36 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:RE: EDP FCB In-Reply-To: <20051021043358.0528F3BEF9@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051021043358.0528F3BEF9@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 08:13:11 +0000 (UTC) >( current patch data should not be influenced by the upgrade, although it is >always adviseable to store a patchdump >of your current setup on PC before upgrading ) If you have the earliest version of the Behringer software, then the patch dump is not compatible with the later version. Presumably this means that changing the software will cause you to lose all your programming, even if you you do store a patchdump :-( This is only an issue with the oldest fcb1010s (not having the "patch copy" feature) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 21 10:54:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D37573BF01; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:54:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-72.messagelabs.com!1129892053!0!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC89AA@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Defining "pro" Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:53:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5D62D.BD74ADA0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:54:17 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5D62D.BD74ADA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" it's o-o-o-only talk. -----Original Message----- From: Sean Echevarria [mailto:sean.loop@creepingfog.com] Sent: 19 October 2005 20:47 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Defining "pro" Elephant talk... At 2005.10.19 12:44 PM, S V G wrote: > And on the "Pro" vs. "Semi-Pro" vs. "amateur" topic, Robert has been > able to continually do >his music based on some wise real-estate investments many years ago. This >by definition takes him >out of the "Pro" category. It's all just talk... *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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    it's o-o-o-only talk.

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    Elephant talk...

    At 2005.10.19 12:44 PM, S V G wrote:
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    >his music based on some wise real-estate investments= many years ago.  This
    >by definition takes him
    >out of the "Pro" category.  It's all = just talk...



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    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5D62D.BD74ADA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 21 14:48:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A5963BEF5; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:48:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GnoPN/OoU5VgTAfbpHUIT+wuWrxhWBsAdiWMoSBXKWePRsH+HmIUALXG1PKwEQM3L846jmtdl55rV9lXxTkh4Rop9zisNTjyUNzQaXVlPCAM/m4SDppLh5j19FsOGY/OnkLd5SZGgDEJy3ZyUoapKUITmXtccBdeGQ8PFBek9tA= ; Message-ID: <20051021144849.44011.qmail@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:48:49 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hansen Subject: using gemini sampler w/ my new mixer for looping...(no more minimialist rig) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051019185451.C14513BF42@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-485835434-1129906129=:43781" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:48:52 +0000 (UTC) --0-485835434-1129906129=:43781 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit so i bought one of the low end eurorack mixers, took me a week and a 1/2 to get it out of the box and figure it out, once out i decided to see if i could get the gemini (1224 i think) sampler out that i bought on ebay a yr ago.....i got it for like 30$ and couldn't ever get it to work w/ my in-line set up....well, i got it to work w/ the mixer (rca ins/outs--tried the phono and mic inputs and get nothing), but i'm finding it working quite well, since my dod d12 has been acting funny, i don't know how old the sampler is (i'm afraid to find out) but has 5 buttons, two-2 sec samples, two 4-sec samples and a 12 sec sample. also has a pitch slider for slowing down and speeding up, but i'm finding it works quite well, since it has this "record/play" mode switch, it's best w/ my delay feeding it, since it's sort of a finger tap dance, and i'm playing guitar (so getting precise loops on fly while playing are hard, hense using delay to capture delay bits...)....but after getting this thing set up/hooked up (and i am now not using any of my 4 space rack gear, instead of my setup going up and down-its all spread out across table top style), i feel i should repeal my post from a week ago about my "minimalist rig", it doesn't really feel very minimalist anymore, plus i want to play w/ microphone inputs etc...so i feel sort of like the wizard in wiz of oz saying "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain" in talking about my minimalist rig..... s---- --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --0-485835434-1129906129=:43781 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

    so i bought one of the low end eurorack mixers, took me a week and a 1/2 to get it out of the

    box and figure it out, once out i decided to see if i could get the gemini (1224 i think) sampler out that i bought on ebay a yr ago.....i got it for like 30$ and couldn't ever get it to work w/ my

    in-line set up....well, i got it to work w/ the mixer (rca ins/outs--tried the phono and mic inputs and get nothing), but i'm finding it working quite well, since my dod d12 has been acting funny, i don't know how old the sampler is (i'm afraid to find out) but has 5 buttons, two-2 sec samples, two 4-sec samples and a 12 sec sample. also has a pitch slider for slowing down and speeding up, but i'm finding it works quite well, since it has this "record/play" mode switch, it's best w/ my delay feeding it, since it's sort of a finger tap dance, and i'm playing guitar (so getting precise loops on fly while playing are hard, hense using delay to capture delay bits...)....but after getting this thing set up/hooked up (and i am now not using any of my 4 space rack gear, instead of my setup going up and down-its all spread out across table top style), i feel i should repeal my post from a week ago about my "minimalist rig", it doesn't really feel very minimalist anymore, plus i want to play w/ microphone inputs etc...so i feel sort of like the wizard in wiz of oz saying "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain" in talking about my minimalist rig.....

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    Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --0-485835434-1129906129=:43781-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 21 16:27:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BAF13BF04; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:27:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <4B3FDB85-41AD-11DA-B94C-000A95A5D158@peak.org> References: <4B3FDB85-41AD-11DA-B94C-000A95A5D158@peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8c31d901866cbd31c9667b6d4b6a9dc4@venetowest.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: Re: I have a space, too RE: myspace Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:27:24 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:27:28 +0000 (UTC) Jumping on the bandwagon. Me To. http://www.myspace.com/livesofthesaints Lots of punk bands are booking tours through myspace connections. Maybe eventually we loopers can get some of this happening. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) On Oct 20, 2005, at 2:05 PM, David Trenkel wrote: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 21 16:29:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B4983BEF9; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:29:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 5060a1a8260c58db741013beb39043fd Received-SPF: pass (ibadan.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.176.10.7 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.176.10.7; envelope-from=matigrob@terra.com.br; helo=[10.1.1.6]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matigrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4c559ac3136b9314d216528503f38062@suitandtieguy.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051016212436.04824490@loopers-delight.com> <588ce11d0510140704u344d78a6u249267ac9fbac663@mail.gmail.com> <546A9624-F30C-4749-B588-6A7611AC3051@charter.net> <434FE458.7070009@sun.com> <20051014195655.mtkg18zylckcgsks@www.wightman.ca> <6.1.2.0.2.20051016212436.04824490@loopers-delight.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20051018113129.010f2f88@mail02.powweb.com> <435555D5.6040505@sun.com> <4c559ac3136b9314d216528503f38062@suitandtieguy.com> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:24:01 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: ethics (was Re: Building a rackmount looping computer as an alternative to the Receptor for Mobius) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <0ARIl.A.RhH.RdRWDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:29:05 +0000 (UTC) >On Oct 18, 2005, at 3:06 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: >>I can understand why this might ruffle a few feathers, but once you've >>published an idea you no longer own it. You can own physical > >i'd like to point out that "Multiply", your example from earlier in >this debate, was also used by Robert Fripp on the TC2290 around the >same time that the EDP came out. thats actually where I started with it, too: in 1986, when I bought the 2290, I realized that if I read the loop time, multiply it and type the multiple time into the 2290, it does it, without click. then in 1989, Gary Hall explained the PCM42 structure and sold me his personal one, so I took out its processor and replaced it by a veroboard PCB with loads of CMOS gates that did the Record and Multiply pretty much as the LOOP delay / EDP later. > >Bob's not a gearhead, so i'm going to assume that the multiply trick >on the 2290 (very carefully changing the delay time to a "multiple" >of the current value by entering a new one on the numeric keypad) >was taught to him by David Sylvian, who recommended the device to >him in the first place, which would place that particular looping >performance technique in square parallel to the Paradis LoopDelay. I dont understand "square parallel" > >i could very well be wrong about this supposition, so anyone who >knows better please step to the plate and correct me on this. >--- >Eric Williamson >www.suitandtieguy.com -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 21 16:32:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 475D73BF16; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:32:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:29:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Acid Mother's Temple Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:32:07 +0000 (UTC) Caught AMT in Philly last night. Damn good live band. Show started really late but was worth the wait. They had their trusty SH09 and barrage of effects boxes in tow and a new bass player who was really fantastic. There were loops here and there but it was hard to tell over the din. You haven't lived until you've seen a spacerock japanese wookie saying the word "max-i-mum" everytime they tested the mics for sound check :) Highly reccomended if you want to know what happened to the spawn of Hawkwind and metal. They have a lot more dates left on the US tour. Only one word of caution, bring earplugs! ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 21 17:59:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CABA3BEFE; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 17:59:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:09:13 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Acid Mothers Temple In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 17:59:52 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, Legion wrote: > > Caught AMT in Philly last night. Damn good live band. Show started really > late but was worth the wait. They had their trusty SH09 and barrage of > effects boxes in tow and a new bass player who was really > fantastic. There were loops here and there but it was hard to tell over > the din. You haven't lived until you've seen a spacerock japanese wookie > saying the word "max-i-mum" everytime they tested the mics for sound check > :) > > Highly reccomended if you want to know what happened to the spawn of > Hawkwind and metal. They have a lot more dates left on the US tour. Only > one word of caution, bring earplugs! Saw them on their last tour, thought they were amazing, unfortunately nowhere near me this tour. I second the above recommendations: go see them, and bring earplugs. Umm, what tour schedule are you looking at? I can only find three more show dates from tonight through Monday. best, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 21 18:07:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D8143BF1A; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:07:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:05:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Acid Mothers Temple In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:07:32 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 burnett@pobox.com wrote: > Saw them on their last tour, thought they were amazing, unfortunately > nowhere near me this tour. I second the above recommendations: go see > them, and bring earplugs. Umm, what tour schedule are you looking at? I > can only find three more show dates from tonight through Monday. Yes my bad only a few more east coast dates including NY tonight (left over spacenoise in my head makes today a bit fuzzy :)) ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 21 18:47:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C51BC3BF15; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:47:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [87.74.33.190] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <8c31d901866cbd31c9667b6d4b6a9dc4@venetowest.com> From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I have a space, too RE: myspace Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:47:48 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Oct 2005 18:47:48.0595 (UTC) FILETIME=[EECB6C30:01C5D66F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:47:50 +0000 (UTC) >Lots of punk bands are booking tours through myspace connections. Maybe >eventually we loopers can get some of this happening. good idea... i got one too... http://www.myspace.com/simeonharris sim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 21 20:59:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 493333BF08; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 20:59:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LoAYVvYYobjy3nfcQWhqXbcCFSAvQvKUGmgooi7b0dqZNTCnMesN+fRjZX7fCjsK24BQNCb4IkP7iwofCgKkCqVLT0IRXc3UA+WBZi3AYe+tmSsW3KVJWh5TWjFKERSbcsoes1Iq6U49NRrJwHXIPLOePK9kf1NAzf1ExPRV/+o= ; Message-ID: <20051021205944.37856.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:59:44 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Pro tools [not protools] (was Re: Defining "pro") To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051020064752.96650.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_DziVC.A.6pH.CbVWDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 20:59:47 +0000 (UTC) I find quite the contrary. Most pros I know make a living by playing covers and emulating other artists. I'd bet the majority of people making a full time living playing music (not teaching) are anything but original. That's just the nature of what people want to hear. Mark > > Many "amatures" buy gear because they are trying > to > > sound "like" someone, > > they're sure if they could just sound like..... > then > > people would take their > > music more seriously. > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 21 21:31:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E3903BF1D; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:31:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Pro tools [not protools] (was Re: Defining "pro") Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 23:32:55 +0200 Message-ID: <000501c5d686$ffebeaa0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20051021205944.37856.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <-eWe4.A.Ae.54VWDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:31:37 +0000 (UTC) You said: I'd bet the majority of people making a full time living playing music (not teaching) are anything but original. I think it's safe to leave the "making a full time living playing music (not teaching)" portion out. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 21 21:57:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F112F3BF0A; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:57:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <05de01c5d68a$77a24000$2cb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new addition - Doug Wright) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 15:57:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_05DB_01C5D658.2C3B0A20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 358, in=161259, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:57:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_05DB_01C5D658.2C3B0A20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One new addition to the Y2K5 recording link list, Doug Wright on Akai = EWI and Tenor Saxophone! Doug Wright - Akai EWI, Tenor Saxophone http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1035694.html Goh Nakamura - acoustic guitar & vocals http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1035892.html Stanosaur - electric guitar http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034479.html Scott Drengsen - bass http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034478.html Ute Bonn - vocals http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1036700.html Herb Heinz & Tim Thompson (HOOPLA) http://nosuchmedia.com/audio/hoopla_y2k5.mp3 Bernhard Wagner - electric guitar Part One - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987792.html Part Two (Verbal Intro) - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/991792.html Part Two - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/991793.html Part Three - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987794.html Part Four (with Max Valentino) - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987795.html Max Valentino - bass Part One (with Bernhard Wagner) - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/992129.html Ted Killian - electric guitar Rick's Intro and Ted Warming Up - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987388.html Part One - Guitar Dyslexia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985656.html Part Two - Guitar Dysphasia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985657.html Part Three - Guitar Dyspasia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/988212.html Greg Powers http://box.net/public/khartung/files/976586.html Ghost 7 - bass http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975372.html Krispen Hartung - electric guitar http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html ------=_NextPart_000_05DB_01C5D658.2C3B0A20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    One new addition to the Y2K5 recording = link list,=20 Doug Wright on Akai EWI and Tenor Saxophone!
     

    Doug Wright - Akai = EWI, Tenor=20 Saxophone
     
    Goh Nakamura - = acoustic guitar=20 & vocals
     
    Stanosaur - electric=20 guitar
     
    Scott Drengsen - = bass
     
    Ute Bonn - = vocals
     
    Herb Heinz & Tim Thompson=20 (HOOPLA)
     
    Bernhard Wagner - = electric=20 guitar
     
    Part Four (with Max Valentino) - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987795.html
     
    Max Valentino - = bass
     
    Part One (with Bernhard Wagner) = - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/992129.html
     
    Ted Killian - electric=20 guitar
     
    Rick's Intro and Ted Warming Up - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987388.html
    Part Three - Guitar Dyspasia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/988212.html=
     
    Greg = Powers
     
    Ghost 7 - = bass
     
    Krispen Hartung - = electric=20 guitar
    http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html
     
    ------=_NextPart_000_05DB_01C5D658.2C3B0A20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 21 22:19:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 298B33BF32; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 22:19:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008901c5d68d$921c7b00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: cheap looper alert: TASCAM CD-VT 1 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 15:19:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <9oUT6.A.MvB.LmWWDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 22:19:56 +0000 (UTC) Musicians Friend is blowing out the Tascam CD-VT 1 It is a CD player that has looping functions and speed options for vocalists to learn music. It also has two 1/4" inputs (two vocals or instrument and vocals) and built in effects including chessy karaoake effects. It means I can add it to my portable looping rig...........have some effects and I can also design pre made atmospherics on my computer or beats that I can burn onto CD and then loop in real time.....................behind my voice or whatever .........on the street....... in real time POWERED BY BATTERIES. I just ordered one for $79.99. A new quasi looper appears.................tee hee hee From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 21 23:13:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D40643BF22; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 23:13:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 00:12:10 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: James Richardson Disposition-Notification-To: James Richardson Subject: Re: BBC Documentary References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8871@lon-oxmail02> In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8871@lon-oxmail02> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed User-Agent: Turnpike/6.05-S () Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 23:13:48 +0000 (UTC) Hi Duncan >contact me off-list if you'd like a dvd of this radiophonics docco. >duncan. > I missed this documentary on the television and would be interested in a DVD What's the deal? Thanks James -- James Richardson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 21 23:44:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5658E3BF26; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 23:44:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1589.66.94.148.190.1129938273.squirrel@webmail.airmail.net> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:44:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: New Question EDP FCB - Switches From: mgclark@airmail.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 23:44:35 +0000 (UTC) i started using my oberheim edp with the fcb, gain. forgot how much i liked it! i want to replace the small switches with something much larger and easier to press. what type of switch do you advise? also, i'll push record and the edp hangs up, sometimes doesn't record everything (after pushing record again to stop recording) and, sometimes after pushing "stop" it immediately begins to record again. Bad switch, wrong setting, poor footwork? Thanks, Michael Hear The Music http://www.intodown.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 21 23:59:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2C883BF35; Fri, 21 Oct 2005 23:59:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:59:20 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: cheap looper alert: TASCAM CD-VT 1 In-reply-to: <008901c5d68d$921c7b00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <435980D8.3090006@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <008901c5d68d$921c7b00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 23:59:29 +0000 (UTC) loop.pool wrote: > Musicians Friend is blowing out the Tascam CD-VT 1 > > It is a CD player that has looping functions and speed options for > vocalists to learn music. Careful. I have the CD-GT1 "guitar trainer" which is basically the same thing. The GT1 is not smart about doing a cross fade at the loop point, so it is very easy to get a "click" if the source material isn't close to silence on either side. For beats it is probably ok, but for sustained atmospherics it may be more of an issue. Other than that, the pitch shifting sounded very good to my ears and the effects were ok. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 22 00:01:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 019E13BF2D; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 00:01:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002b01c5d69b$c0064b00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "Rick Walker/Loop.pooL" , "Mr Dick" , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: DRUM MACHINE PROGRAMMING TIPS Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 17:01:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 00:01:26 +0000 (UTC) I found this post I made to a looper requesting drum machine programming tips on another online community. I can't remember if I posted this or not, so please forgive the redundancy if I did but I offer it up for what it's worth and would love to hear other thoughts and approaches on the subject. DRUM MACHINE SONG CONSTRUCTION TIPS >From the drum machine programs I heard you perform, (which I enjoyed a lot) it sounded like you were trying to compose with drum sounds as opposed to writing things that an actual drummer would play. I think this is a very valid approach, aesthetically but not a strong groove approach. No judgement either way. Groove oriented drummers think very simply and for good reason: their job (when they are good enough that people will pay them a lot of money for what they do) is to serve the song and provide a minimalistic enough foundation so that the composer/songwriter has a lot of room to move over the top of it; both melodically, harmonically and timbrally. How I think as a drummer is to come up with a simple and distinctive drum groove that I try to play. Frequently that may be a one bar groove but a lot of times I may compose a two or four bar groove that has slight variations in it. I consider any single variation from a repeated pattern, whether an AAAA form or a more complicated ABAC ABAD form to be a 'fill' and I tend to only use fills in a ration of 1/8 or more frequently 1/16 when I'm playing (especially if I'm recording a record for someone). Frequently , I will even take the 'linear rhythm' which is the combined syncopative quality of all the parts played in a piece and I will make the fill play that exact rhythm-----this creates what I call a 'groove fill' or a fill that pushes the forward momentum of the piece. A wild fill that radically differs from the "linear rhythm' of the piece will be distracting frequently. I also think very seriously about whether a drummer would actually be able to play a fill that I program. As an example, if you are playing 16th notes on a hihat with a backbeat on snare on beats 2 and 4, DON"T put a hihat note on 2 and 4. It's not physically possible for a drummer to play a hi hat on beats 2 and 4 at a higher speed. Towards this end, go out and watch a good 'pocket' funk or soul drummer play and watch what they do physically. You don't want to be doing melodic tom fills that are physically impossible to play by a human being. We unconciously 'hear' this when people program ineffectively. I always use very simple song forms when providing variation in a drum groove: AAAB, AABA, ABAC, ABCB, for example, if I am writing a four bar groove. This comes from a very Afro-centric orientation which is the basis of most trapset groove playing (pre Drum and Bass and Glitch styles). The Afro-centric approach is very call and response or response and call oriented. Because drum machines lack 'energy' or a human feel, programmers frequently feel the need to make their patterns more complicated so that 'something happens'. Oddly enough, I have found that the opposite approach is more effective...............I think it is much stronger to make the groove as simple as effective in conveyng the kind of feel you want to get across and then build the 'human' qualities into the upper voices (or bass voice). In many pop groups this is what the drummer does anyway. Also, because drum machines lack 'energy' frequently mixers pull them down in the mix. I, again, have found the opposite approach works better. I actually will mix a drum machine in a piece louder than I would as a compensation for lack of energy. I'd say in general, don't be afraid to use the machine as a trance element..............extremeley minimalistic with really nice choice of sounds (also beware of huge kick drum sounds that mask, timbrally with big subsonic bass guitar or synth tones). Let me know if any of this is helpful or it you'd like more suggestions. yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 22 00:03:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5A8D3BF42; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 00:03:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: BBC Documentary Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 17:03:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcXWlRwckkxYmwy+Q0eLMc/LHUqnlAABqfaw Message-Id: <20051022000311.OJGT1668.fed1rmmtao01.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 00:03:30 +0000 (UTC) Duncan was kind enough to send me a copy--much obliged . . . I had a question for him, but I welcome an answer from anyone here--in the background of almost every scene was a man in a blue shirt--who is he? Gary -----Original Message----- From: James Richardson [mailto:james@jaidee.demon.co.uk] Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 4:12 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BBC Documentary Hi Duncan >contact me off-list if you'd like a dvd of this radiophonics docco. >duncan. > I missed this documentary on the television and would be interested in a DVD What's the deal? Thanks James -- James Richardson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 22 02:39:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43B9A3BF34; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 02:39:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4359A6B1.7080105@Hevanet.com> Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:40:49 -0700 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Question EDP FCB - Switches References: <1589.66.94.148.190.1129938273.squirrel@webmail.airmail.net> In-Reply-To: <1589.66.94.148.190.1129938273.squirrel@webmail.airmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 02:39:43 +0000 (UTC) mgclark@airmail.net wrote: >i started using my oberheim edp with the fcb, gain. forgot how much i >liked it! > >i want to replace the small switches with something much larger and easier >to press. what type of switch do you advise? > > I just moved from the EFC-7 to the MIDI pedal Behringer FCB1010. The switches are nice and beefy, but it does take up a bit of extra floor space (not sure, but I think the Expression Pedals are just kinda there, but not usable on the EDP). Great control, though, and I think others on this list consider it to be a dependable piece. You could try a search on Loopers-Delight mail archives: http://tinyurl.com/7dz5m David > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 22 08:29:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1450E3BF36; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 08:29:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4359F95F.4040206@soundscapes.us> Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 04:33:35 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AIMusic Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List Subject: The AM/FM Show Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 08:29:05 +0000 (UTC) Greetings, The AM/FM Show starts in about 90 minutes from now. 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 22 15:56:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B65D3BF38; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:56:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: quest for an audio interface for laptop music applications Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:57:18 +0200 Message-ID: <000201c5d721$4880f270$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:56:01 +0000 (UTC) I've decided to go laptop. At least to compile one setup that is entirely laptop. Now I need an USB audio interface - my Phase26 wouldn't do here. I'm looking for a laptop-based system with maximum portability. My requriements: Hard requirements: (1) at least one phantom-powered mic in and one Hi-Z in or two phantom-powered mic ins (2) two analogue 1/4 or XLR outs (3) headphone out (4) USB Would-be-nice: (5) a pair of SPDI/F connectors (6) a MIDI pair (7) possibility to create an effect send/return (8) no wallwart necessary (9) bus-powered (A) symmetrical outs (B) USB2 (C) ADAT connectors (D) 24/96 I've come up with a few devices: M-Audio Fast Track Pro Edirol UA-25 Mackie Spike Lexicon Omega Alesis IO/2 Tascam US-122 Behringer BCA2000 The requirements tracking matrix looks like this: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D Price M-Audio Fast Track Pro X X X X X X X X X X X 229 Edirol UA-25 X X X X X X X X X X X 225 Mackie Spike X X X X X X X X 229 Lexicon Omega X X X X X X X 278 Alesis IO/2 X X X X X X X X X X X 159 Tascam US-122 X X X X X X X 208 Behringer BCA2000 X X X X X X X X X X X 195 Ok, so what is the conclusion? The price is a standard in the 200-230=88 range - the only exceptions being the Alesis and the Lexicon. The Behringer does win the flexibility price, with its lots of outputs, its 1in-2out-MIDI interface and its ADAT connector. Plus it's the only device with USB2, hence it can transmit in 24/96 both ways (if that's what you need). And it's the only device where you could create an external effects send/return (e.g. to put your favourite outboard/stompbox stuff into the setup). And it's cheaper than all competitors safe for the Alesis. The Alesis on the other hand is the cheapest, and that without standing behind the Edirol/M-Audio/Tascam competitors that much. Finally, the Lexicon looks the most "professional", with the most powerful included mixer and micpres that at least have a fairly "pro" (sic!) name. But you can't power it via the bus AND it uses a wallwart... So, I'm as wise as before. Any suggestions? Any experiences with the three devices I mentioned in the last paragraph? Any words on the other devices (Edirol, Tascam, Mackie, M-Audio) that should make me reconsider? Any other products I didn't even think about? Thanks, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 22 16:24:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 503C43BF3E; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 16:24:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <065d01c5d725$0e7e7ee0$2cb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <000201c5d721$4880f270$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Subject: Re: quest for an audio interface for laptop music applications Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 10:24:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 356, in=146147, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 16:24:24 +0000 (UTC) Per recommended the MIDI Mate for my laptop system, which has been working great. http://www.audiotrak.net/xpmidi.htm Actually, your first set of requirements map pretty close to the DigiDesign mBox system, which is really for recording rather than performance. But you could use it to perform live...and the cool thing is that you can buy a conversion program that will convert free VST effects into ProTools ready effects - VST to RTAS (http://www.fxpansion.com/product-rtasadapter-main.php. Something to think about at least. I've never tried to conrol my VST effects via MIDI while using ProTool/mBox though. kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 9:57 AM Subject: quest for an audio interface for laptop music applications I've decided to go laptop. At least to compile one setup that is entirely laptop. Now I need an USB audio interface - my Phase26 wouldn't do here. I'm looking for a laptop-based system with maximum portability. My requriements: Hard requirements: (1) at least one phantom-powered mic in and one Hi-Z in or two phantom-powered mic ins (2) two analogue 1/4 or XLR outs (3) headphone out (4) USB Would-be-nice: (5) a pair of SPDI/F connectors (6) a MIDI pair (7) possibility to create an effect send/return (8) no wallwart necessary (9) bus-powered (A) symmetrical outs (B) USB2 (C) ADAT connectors (D) 24/96 I've come up with a few devices: M-Audio Fast Track Pro Edirol UA-25 Mackie Spike Lexicon Omega Alesis IO/2 Tascam US-122 Behringer BCA2000 The requirements tracking matrix looks like this: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D Price M-Audio Fast Track Pro X X X X X X X X X X X 229 Edirol UA-25 X X X X X X X X X X X 225 Mackie Spike X X X X X X X X 229 Lexicon Omega X X X X X X X 278 Alesis IO/2 X X X X X X X X X X X 159 Tascam US-122 X X X X X X X 208 Behringer BCA2000 X X X X X X X X X X X 195 Ok, so what is the conclusion? The price is a standard in the 200-230ˆ range - the only exceptions being the Alesis and the Lexicon. The Behringer does win the flexibility price, with its lots of outputs, its 1in-2out-MIDI interface and its ADAT connector. Plus it's the only device with USB2, hence it can transmit in 24/96 both ways (if that's what you need). And it's the only device where you could create an external effects send/return (e.g. to put your favourite outboard/stompbox stuff into the setup). And it's cheaper than all competitors safe for the Alesis. The Alesis on the other hand is the cheapest, and that without standing behind the Edirol/M-Audio/Tascam competitors that much. Finally, the Lexicon looks the most "professional", with the most powerful included mixer and micpres that at least have a fairly "pro" (sic!) name. But you can't power it via the bus AND it uses a wallwart... So, I'm as wise as before. Any suggestions? Any experiences with the three devices I mentioned in the last paragraph? Any words on the other devices (Edirol, Tascam, Mackie, M-Audio) that should make me reconsider? Any other products I didn't even think about? Thanks, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 22 16:29:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD9C23BF2B; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 16:29:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ihlClIkpwbimlvsoH0BqGInhjCkR99PLOW2Xn4W2x/GVVx1AO6bMl+ydCxws6DUlqXC/5RQoAc+yN5xsS+zz910ihwsdC5m/wGSTqbevfdNJ4HpbGBi4KdAp+w17sXAeVAtD7S+9hJ4PhCrkTWgtIU1dbkobGB5SJ5TMZBqp84w= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 09:29:26 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: quest for an audio interface for laptop music 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2005 10:45:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 358, in=161456, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 16:45:20 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, that's why I mentioned MIDI Mate. And there are some special programs now that integrate with mBox/Protools, such as Live, Amplitube, Reason, where you can interface with MIDI, etc. Here's the LE bundle: 1. Digidesign MBox with Pro Tools LE software. more info... 2. M-Audio Oxygen 8 Midi Keyboard controller with USB Midi interface. more info... 3. REASON software. more info... 4. Amplitube Live software. more info... 5. M-Audio BX-5 Powered speakers. more info... But still, mBox wouldn't be on the top of my list of what Rainer wants to do...just a possibility to explore. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 10:29 AM Subject: Re: quest for an audio interface for laptop music applications > The Mbox also doesn't have a MIDI interface, so you'd have to add that > separately. > > TravisH > > On 10/22/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > > Actually, your first set of requirements map pretty close to the DigiDesign > > mBox system, which is really for recording rather than performance. But you > > could use it to perform live...and the cool thing is that you can buy a > > conversion program that will convert free VST effects into ProTools ready > > effects - VST to RTAS > > (http://www.fxpansion.com/product-rtasadapter-main.php. Something to think > > about at least. I've never tried to conrol my VST effects via MIDI while > > using ProTool/mBox though. > > > > kris > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" > > To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" > > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 9:57 AM > > Subject: quest for an audio interface for laptop music applications > > > > > > I've decided to go laptop. At least to compile one setup that is > > entirely laptop. Now I need an USB audio interface - my Phase26 wouldn't > > do here. I'm looking for a laptop-based system with maximum portability. > > > > My requriements: > > > > Hard requirements: > > (1) at least one phantom-powered mic in and one Hi-Z in or two > > phantom-powered mic ins > > (2) two analogue 1/4 or XLR outs > > (3) headphone out > > (4) USB > > > > Would-be-nice: > > (5) a pair of SPDI/F connectors > > (6) a MIDI pair > > (7) possibility to create an effect send/return > > (8) no wallwart necessary > > (9) bus-powered > > (A) symmetrical outs > > (B) USB2 > > (C) ADAT connectors > > (D) 24/96 > > > > I've come up with a few devices: > > > > M-Audio Fast Track Pro > > Edirol UA-25 > > Mackie Spike > > Lexicon Omega > > Alesis IO/2 > > Tascam US-122 > > Behringer BCA2000 > > The requirements tracking matrix looks like this: > > > > 1 2 3 4 5 > > 6 7 8 9 A B C D Price > > M-Audio Fast Track Pro X X X X X > > X X X X X X 229 > > Edirol UA-25 X X X X X > > X X X X X X 225 > > Mackie Spike X X X X X > > X X X 229 > > Lexicon Omega X X X X X > > X X 278 > > Alesis IO/2 X X X X X > > X X X X X X 159 > > Tascam US-122 X X X X > > X X X 208 > > Behringer BCA2000 X X X X X > > X X X X X X 195 > > > > > > Ok, so what is the conclusion? The price is a standard in the 200-230€ > > range - the only exceptions being the Alesis and the Lexicon. The > > Behringer does win the flexibility price, with its lots of outputs, its > > 1in-2out-MIDI interface and its ADAT connector. Plus it's the only > > device with USB2, hence it can transmit in 24/96 both ways (if that's > > what you need). And it's the only device where you could create an > > external effects send/return (e.g. to put your favourite > > outboard/stompbox stuff into the setup). And it's cheaper than all > > competitors safe for the Alesis. The Alesis on the other hand is the > > cheapest, and that without standing behind the Edirol/M-Audio/Tascam > > competitors that much. Finally, the Lexicon looks the most > > "professional", with the most powerful included mixer and micpres that > > at least have a fairly "pro" (sic!) name. But you can't power it via the > > bus AND it uses a wallwart... > > > > So, I'm as wise as before. Any suggestions? Any experiences with the > > three devices I mentioned in the last paragraph? Any words on the other > > devices (Edirol, Tascam, Mackie, M-Audio) that should make me > > reconsider? Any other products I didn't even think about? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Rainer > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 22 16:46:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F9863BF51; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 16:46:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000201c5d721$4880f270$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> References: <000201c5d721$4880f270$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 09:46:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Ken Higgins Subject: Re: quest for an audio interface for laptop music applications Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:19e398854e4e12389f1bc10699aa0b2c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 16:46:41 +0000 (UTC) Well, It's a Firewire unit and not USB, but I'd like to=20 throw in a vote for the MOTU Traveler. Does all=20 that you ask and lots more. http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/traveler/ Lots of capabilities to grow into. It's a lot=20 like the MOTU 828 mkII in a portable, bus-powered=20 package. Don't forget that the quality of the A/D=20 converters really varies between some of the=20 units you mention. Ken =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- >I've decided to go laptop. At least to compile one setup that is >entirely laptop. Now I need an USB audio interface - my Phase26 wouldn't >do here. I'm looking for a laptop-based system with maximum portability. > >My requriements: > >Hard requirements: >(1) at least one phantom-powered mic in and one Hi-Z in or two >phantom-powered mic ins >(2) two analogue 1/4 or XLR outs >(3) headphone out >(4) USB > >Would-be-nice: >(5) a pair of SPDI/F connectors >(6) a MIDI pair >(7) possibility to create an effect send/return >(8) no wallwart necessary >(9) bus-powered >(A) symmetrical outs >(B) USB2 >(C) ADAT connectors >(D) 24/96 > >I've come up with a few devices: > >M-Audio Fast Track Pro >Edirol UA-25 >Mackie Spike >Lexicon Omega >Alesis IO/2 >Tascam US-122 >Behringer BCA2000 >The requirements tracking matrix looks like this: > > 1 2 3 4 5 >6 7 8 9 A B C D Price >M-Audio Fast Track Pro X X X X X >X X X X X X 229 >Edirol UA-25 X X X X X >X X X X X X 225 >Mackie Spike X X X X X >X X X 229 >Lexicon Omega X X X X X >X X 278 >Alesis IO/2 X X X X X >X X X X X X 159 >Tascam US-122 X X X X >X X X 208 >Behringer BCA2000 X X X X X >X X X X X X 195 > > >Ok, so what is the conclusion? The price is a standard in the 200-230=A4 >range - the only exceptions being the Alesis and the Lexicon. The >Behringer does win the flexibility price, with its lots of outputs, its >1in-2out-MIDI interface and its ADAT connector. Plus it's the only >device with USB2, hence it can transmit in 24/96 both ways (if that's >what you need). And it's the only device where you could create an >external effects send/return (e.g. to put your favourite >outboard/stompbox stuff into the setup). And it's cheaper than all >competitors safe for the Alesis. The Alesis on the other hand is the >cheapest, and that without standing behind the Edirol/M-Audio/Tascam >competitors that much. Finally, the Lexicon looks the most >"professional", with the most powerful included mixer and micpres that >at least have a fairly "pro" (sic!) name. But you can't power it via the >bus AND it uses a wallwart... > >So, I'm as wise as before. Any suggestions? Any experiences with the >three devices I mentioned in the last paragraph? Any words on the other >devices (Edirol, Tascam, Mackie, M-Audio) that should make me >reconsider? Any other products I didn't even think about? > > >Thanks, > > Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 22 17:45:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64BA73BED5; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:45:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:45:50 -0400 Subject: Re: quest for an audio interface for laptop music applications From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000201c5d721$4880f270$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <6rBTDC.A.-tE.RrnWDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:45:53 +0000 (UTC) Dear Rainer, If you could only go firewire. I've had tremendous success with the pre-sonus Firebox. Bus powered, midi, spdif, 4 in, 6 out, leaving room for a send/return This is a fine fine box, even to the point of feeling really great in the hand. Inexpensive as well @ $299 Of course, if you can't do firewire, then I guess this doesn't work. It's the best laptop box I've found, and I perform with it endlessly with no regrets. It performs all my routing, even to the point of doing a surround show with live and logic. All best, todd On 10/22/05 11:57 AM, "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" wrote: > I've decided to go laptop. At least to compile one setup that is > entirely laptop. Now I need an USB audio interface - my Phase26 wouldn't > do here. I'm looking for a laptop-based system with maximum portability. >=20 > My requriements: >=20 > Hard requirements: > (1) at least one phantom-powered mic in and one Hi-Z in or two > phantom-powered mic ins > (2) two analogue 1/4 or XLR outs > (3) headphone out > (4) USB >=20 > Would-be-nice: > (5) a pair of SPDI/F connectors > (6) a MIDI pair > (7) possibility to create an effect send/return > (8) no wallwart necessary > (9) bus-powered > (A) symmetrical outs > (B) USB2 > (C) ADAT connectors > (D) 24/96 >=20 > I've come up with a few devices: >=20 > M-Audio Fast Track Pro > Edirol UA-25 > Mackie Spike > Lexicon Omega > Alesis IO/2 > Tascam US-122 > Behringer BCA2000 > The requirements tracking matrix looks like this: >=20 > 1 2 3 4 5 > 6 7 8 9 A B C D Price > M-Audio Fast Track Pro X X X X X > X X X X X X 229 > Edirol UA-25 X X X X X > X X X X X X 225 > Mackie Spike X X X X X > X X X 229 > Lexicon Omega X X X X X > X X 278 > Alesis IO/2 X X X X X > X X X X X X 159 > Tascam US-122 X X X X > X X X 208 > Behringer BCA2000 X X X X X > X X X X X X 195 >=20 >=20 > Ok, so what is the conclusion? The price is a standard in the 200-230=E2=82=AC > range - the only exceptions being the Alesis and the Lexicon. The > Behringer does win the flexibility price, with its lots of outputs, its > 1in-2out-MIDI interface and its ADAT connector. Plus it's the only > device with USB2, hence it can transmit in 24/96 both ways (if that's > what you need). And it's the only device where you could create an > external effects send/return (e.g. to put your favourite > outboard/stompbox stuff into the setup). And it's cheaper than all > competitors safe for the Alesis. The Alesis on the other hand is the > cheapest, and that without standing behind the Edirol/M-Audio/Tascam > competitors that much. Finally, the Lexicon looks the most > "professional", with the most powerful included mixer and micpres that > at least have a fairly "pro" (sic!) name. But you can't power it via the > bus AND it uses a wallwart... >=20 > So, I'm as wise as before. Any suggestions? Any experiences with the > three devices I mentioned in the last paragraph? Any words on the other > devices (Edirol, Tascam, Mackie, M-Audio) that should make me > reconsider? Any other products I didn't even think about? >=20 >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Rainer >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =E2=80=9CVirtue is just repression waiting to go bad=E2=80=9D - Trevor Exter =E2=80=9CClassical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=E2=80=9D - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com http://www.ethelcentral.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 22 17:54:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95C823BEE0; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:54:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,241,1125874800"; d="scan'208"; a="42875549:sNHT21312116" Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051022183942.02e0db50@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:53:05 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:quest for an audio interface for laptop music applications In-Reply-To: <20051022162927.110253BF49@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051022162927.110253BF49@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 17:54:40 +0000 (UTC) from you're list I'd go for the Lexicon. At least the company has high end audio experience. When a company has already invested a lot of research and development time for their top studio products, it doesn't hurt them to use that knowledge in their "budget" gear. M-Audio have a good reputation for gear that works well. >Any other products I didn't even think about? http://www.focusrite.com/productdetails.asp?id=38&iRange=5 Focusrite Sapphire, :-( a bit pricey tho'. The M-Box has Focusrite pre-amps which will sound great, but I don't remember if the M-Box only runs with the Pro-Tools software. If you care about the sound quality, it's probably the mic-pres which will make the most difference. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 22 18:00:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB3D23BEDF; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:00:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hEArPi3jna9LU2Z9RIOJoR9xSNxHNs3ciUklpAAVLnye3E/OQ2+X6YLCZSAbxxJb9D3SfPsqf+FNRNEinzKOAcS/MjnXDiO+TliEDD9oarf4RlABTCdJoxGQlGEVleo7BSb2yq9tre3bLri0epMXhKtcNSj0SBeK+BhGD3CWelg= Message-ID: <353e2ed80510221100i5473ef00mb0ce2c89ebf2023b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:00:15 +0100 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: quest for an audio interface for laptop music applications In-Reply-To: <000201c5d721$4880f270$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000201c5d721$4880f270$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:00:17 +0000 (UTC) On 10/22/05, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > I've decided to go laptop. At least to compile one setup that is > entirely laptop. Now I need an USB audio interface - my Phase26 wouldn't > do here. I'm looking for a laptop-based system with maximum portability. > > My requriements: > > Hard requirements: > (1) at least one phantom-powered mic in and one Hi-Z in or two > phantom-powered mic ins > (2) two analogue 1/4 or XLR outs > (3) headphone out > (4) USB > > Would-be-nice: > (5) a pair of SPDI/F connectors > (6) a MIDI pair > (7) possibility to create an effect send/return > (8) no wallwart necessary > (9) bus-powered > (A) symmetrical outs > (B) USB2 > (C) ADAT connectors > (D) 24/96 [snip] I'd add one "Hard Requirement" right at the top, before all the others. I'd put "Rock Solid Drivers" as number 1 on the list (or number 0 if you've ever been a student of thermodynamics). You don't mention what OS your laptop runs, but IIRC at least one of the devices on your short list has a reputation for Windows XP drivers that are wobblier than Mr Wobbly on National Wobble Day. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 22 18:02:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 218273BEFA; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:02:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=stXvvxbxjW0RKixeKUh40m/1WAdCXYUd3cGlv8hL+lYOTCmrAWkYxOLCtSEjVan0nM/7IcUZzDx7n2Lgq+kpzlVQ7LTxjyzZ87IkX8YsBRnZ9s3Be2J0F26bxErAQt+EZWU2mVeCpS+WSgXvOPLOeEMiTZMIPW5UJiDTUIFd4mM= Message-ID: <353e2ed80510221102i5bddcc7u6f9ffc354eafe5d0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:02:32 +0100 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: quest for an audio interface for laptop music applications In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000201c5d721$4880f270$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:02:34 +0000 (UTC) On 10/22/05, Ken Higgins wrote: > > Well, > > It's a Firewire unit and not USB, but I'd like to > throw in a vote for the MOTU Traveler. Does all > that you ask and lots more. > http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/traveler/ > > Lots of capabilities to grow into. It's a lot > like the MOTU 828 mkII in a portable, bus-powered > package. Another vote for MOTU from here. I'm *very* happy with my 896HD. in 13 months of hard use it hasn't given the slightest hint of a suggestion of a problem. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 22 18:05:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3E223BEF5; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:05:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=K6obJPjehPVxmjGsEzusKB64dDdoYBtI0o2oNLI5LPaN3GnyCy0sfnFPv8niwguXtToS60tE1CiZmSI8AlXRh3MNH2rRVsY4ueXxkszuhkh8QHq0lil9VZTxZCO8lpSIQ8tov+cDrhA3NR3Tbwynxts8VgAg8e4zx8JQO25Av6Q= Message-ID: <353e2ed80510221105x1d66b470o544bacff9f853126@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:05:29 +0100 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: quest for an audio interface for laptop music applications In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000201c5d721$4880f270$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <065d01c5d725$0e7e7ee0$2cb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <3hfwnD.A.XaF.r9nWDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:05:31 +0000 (UTC) On 10/22/05, Travis Hartnett wrote: > The Mbox also doesn't have a MIDI interface, so you'd have to add that > separately. The old mBox doesn't, but they've just replaced it with the mBox 2 which do= es http://www.digidesign.com/products/mbox2/systems/mbox2hw.cfm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 22 18:15:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A8A63BEF1; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:15:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BC7X2u+D7v5mJJlTTXD67wraJEB4gbTBP5DCVWhgzXFxCyJQlQygnHq2/YYCDbqfFgdndEjSd5ckEBZ8NSGU3fZmADrkztyPrawALKrFiVJmST9M8pKADpJ0cjPXKOJ0qiACixjhnd02ODObSzt7zlHXO/sS2imjpW83PTQDsbk= Message-ID: <353e2ed80510221115w6d57ec62q4c67ac8717cafff2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:15:23 +0100 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: quest for an audio interface for laptop music applications In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051022183942.02e0db50@pop.tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051022162927.110253BF49@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051022183942.02e0db50@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: <-S5CFB.A.kqF.8GoWDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:15:25 +0000 (UTC) On 10/22/05, a k butler wrote: > The M-Box has Focusrite pre-amps which will sound great, I have the older mBox with Focusrite pres, and while the preamps are perfectly adequate I wouldn't call them great. The name 'Focusrite' doesn't appear in the specification for the new mBox2 (or at least if it does I can't find it), so clearly that feature's been traded off in the redesign. > but I don't remember if the M-Box only runs with the Pro-Tools software. Both the old mBox (now discontinued) and the new mBox 2 come with ASIO and WDM drivers for Windows and Core Audio drivers for MacOSX. So you can use them with audio applications other than ProTools. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 22 18:18:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46BC93BF06; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:18:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vUoniJALIJ2ZcRjfmVWmxTZj16QVRgEykL7JdHOst44p9X7M6NHvuk5z/csJtz/HGu/ZHsIkYrNG0TTPsxPnSPjcsZZhLuHS1CtMSN4keenqLjvRMwHBK+3vTUCRieIutlwrNzaigtyAlx9U1/vWjfrAJA0r05cz332DyhArPCg= ; Message-ID: <20051022181819.52905.qmail@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 11:18:19 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: cheap looper alert: TASCAM CD-VT 1 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <008901c5d68d$921c7b00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-905548873-1130005099=:52471" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:18:21 +0000 (UTC) --0-905548873-1130005099=:52471 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit howdy, Looking thru the sam ash catalogue i see lots of quasi-looping tools added to effects processors,learn a lick/phrase trainers...i wonder how limited this stuff is?heck the digitech gnx3 boast "recording memory expandable using smartmedia card slot,learn a lick,JamMan delay looper...ect.does this mean to say there is a fullblown JamMan built into this thing? it cant be...cause its priced at 299. as is the JamMan on its own. just wonderin... P.S. Great job on the y2k5. keep up the good work! ............danny/scary visionary............ *<{,':-}) "loop.pool" wrote: Musicians Friend is blowing out the Tascam CD-VT 1 It is a CD player that has looping functions and speed options for vocalists to learn music. It also has two 1/4" inputs (two vocals or instrument and vocals) and built in effects including chessy karaoake effects. It means I can add it to my portable looping rig...........have some effects and I can also design pre made atmospherics on my computer or beats that I can burn onto CD and then loop in real time.....................behind my voice or whatever .........on the street....... in real time POWERED BY BATTERIES. I just ordered one for $79.99. A new quasi looper appears.................tee hee hee --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --0-905548873-1130005099=:52471 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    howdy,
    Looking thru the sam ash catalogue i see lots of quasi-looping tools added to effects processors,learn a lick/phrase trainers...i wonder how limited this stuff is?heck the digitech gnx3 boast "recording memory expandable using smartmedia card slot,learn a lick,JamMan delay looper...ect.does this mean to say there is a fullblown JamMan built into this thing?
    it cant be...cause its priced at 299. as is the JamMan on its own.
    just wonderin...
    P.S. Great job on the y2k5. keep up the good work!
    ............danny/scary visionary............ *<{,':-})

    "loop.pool" <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
    Musicians Friend is blowing out the Tascam CD-VT 1

    It is a CD player that has looping functions and speed options for vocalists
    to learn music.

    It also has two 1/4" inputs (two vocals or instrument and vocals) and built
    in effects including
    chessy karaoake effects.

    It means I can add it to my portable looping rig...........have some effects
    and I can also
    design pre made atmospherics on my computer or beats that I can burn onto CD
    and then loop in real time.....................behind my voice or whatever
    .........on the street....... in real time POWERED BY BATTERIES.

    I just ordered one for $79.99.

    A new quasi looper appears.................tee hee hee

    Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --0-905548873-1130005099=:52471-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 22 19:03:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3B793BF02; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:03:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.194.136.161] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "samba -" Subject: RE: arco/beep Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 12:03:39 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2005 19:03:39.0910 (UTC) FILETIME=[503C5260:01C5D73B] To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:03:42 +0000 (UTC) 10/21/05 ARCO / BEEP Electronic Art Awards First edition of the ARCO / BEEP Electronic Art Awards Sponsored by BEEP, in collaboration with ARCO Registration form will be available on the ARCO/BEEP Electronic Art Prize website, http://www.arco.beep.es Additional information: Jury’s Secretariat Vicente Matallana / LaAgencia Tel: (34) 91 366 8821 E-mail: premiobeep@laagencia.org http://www.arco.ifema.es BEEP / Data Logic aims to create an electronic art collection, through awarding Acquisition Prizes. 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Should any of the money earmarked for acquisition remain unspent, the Jury may decide whether to devote this amount to a future edition of the Awards or to acquiring a third artwork selected from amongst nominees for the present edition; in this case, the artwork would be considered to have been awarded an Honourable Mention. 2. Participation Rules • Any artwork may participate—as long as it is presented by a gallery exhibiting at ARCO’06 (@ARCO Prize) or by individual artists, or collectives (Off-ARCO Prize)—that involves significant use of new technology, or electronic media. • The artworks must have been previously registered on the webpage that shall be created to this effect. • The eligible artworks must be exhibited with a price tag. • Acceptance of artworks shall be the responsibility of the Jury, whose decision shall be final. • Acceptance of a Prize involves ceding ownership of the prize-winning artwork to the company BEEP/Data Logic. • The Jury’s decision shall be final. 3. Registration 3.1. Registration Dates The 2006 awards shall first be announced in May 2005. Registration opens: 5 p.m. Madrid time (GMT+1 hour), 28th October 2005. Registration deadline: 5 p.m. Madrid time (GMT+1 hour), 16th January 2006. 3.2. Registration Form - Registrations shall only be accepted through the Form to be made available on the ARCO/BEEP Electronic Art Prize website, http://www.arco.beep.es - The registration deadline shall be 5 p.m. Madrid time (GMT+1 hour), 16th January 2006. The Registration Form must include the following information: - Artwork title - Information on the gallery and the artist or collective - Brief description of the artwork (max. 50 words) - Sales price, including taxes - URL where further information is available - No registrations shall be accepted via e-mail, surface mail, or other means - Registrations shall be in Spanish or English. No artwork failing to meet this requisite shall be considered for the awards. We recommend submitting bilingual Spanish/English versions, and participants should double-check the translation 3.3. Expanded Proposals - Participants may expand the information included on their Registration Forms by putting it on their own website, providing the URL on their Registration Forms. Recommendations for Internet presentation of this expanded information are as follows: - Project Description (max. 500 words), explaining the central concepts and technological resources used. - Images of the artwork. - Résumé of the artist. In the case of collectives, a group résumé may be included, or individual résumés for each member. - In preparing these webpages, please bear in mind that the Jury’s time is limited. Therefore, maximum clarity and concision in web design are strongly advised. - Those contestants who put up a website for their project shall be responsible for its design and hosting costs. 4. Jury - All candidacies shall be examined by an international Jury, including: 1. Fernando Castro Flórez, Professor and Art Critic, Madrid (Spain) 2. Karin Ohlenschläger, Artistic Director, MediaLabMadrid (Spain) 3. Christiane Paul, Associate Curator for New Media Art, Whitney Museum of American Art, New York (USA) 4. Arnau Puig, Philosopher and Art Critic, Barcelona (Spain) 5. Jemima Rellie, Head of New Programmes, Tate, London (UK) 6. Yukiko Shikata, Independent Curator and Critic, Tokyo (Japan) 7. Mark Tribe, Assistant Professor of Modern Culture and Media, Brown University, Providence (USA) - The Jury’s Honorary Chairwoman shall be Marie-France Veyrat, representing BEEP/Data Logic. - The Jury’s Secretary shall be Vicente Matallana, Director of LaAgencia, Madrid. - The Jury shall meet during ARCO‘06. - The Jury’s decision shall be final. 5. Decision - The Prize-winners shall be announced at the ARCO International Contemporary Art Fair, on Saturday 11th February 2006. - The Jury shall meet on 10th February 2006 at the ARCO-IFEMA offices. - The winners shall be announced at 1 p.m. on 11th February 2006 at the central space of theblackbox@arco section. 6. Winners • Winners shall be contacted by the Awards organisers before they are announced. • Acceptance of a Prize involves ceding ownership of the Prize-winning artwork to the company BEEP/Data Logic. • The company BEEP/Data Logic shall pay the Prize money within 30 days after the Jury’s decision is announced. • The Prize shall be given to the winner, or to his or her appointed legal representative. 7. Information and Questions For any additional information, or to ask any questions about the ARCO/BEEP Electronic Art Awards, contact: Jury’s Secretariat Vicente Matallana / LaAgencia Tel: (34) 91 366 8821 E-mail: premiobeep@laagencia.org BEEP / Data Logic Carmen Alcubilla Tel: (34) 977 30 9100 E-mail: c-alcubilla@datalogic.com ARCO Ana Botella Diez del Corral Tel: (34) 91 722 5350 E-mail: arcobeep@ifema.es Registration for the ARCO/BEEP Electronic Art Awards implies acceptance of the present rules. email to a friend contact subscribe electronic flux corporation / www.e-flux.com 295 greenwich street #532, nyc ny 10007 to unsubscribe click / here From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 22 19:13:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2DB13BF02; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:13:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [63.194.136.161] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: gear fs Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 12:13:33 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Oct 2005 19:13:33.0760 (UTC) FILETIME=[B232A400:01C5D73C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:13:37 +0000 (UTC) Korg Prophecy,needs enter button reseated,the switch is ok ,just the button dislocated itself, w soft case and parameter guide$350 Korg Electribe Es-1 rythm sampler.works fine, w/ adaptor $200 Zoom sampltrak,I don't know if it works or not w 4 smart media cards $100 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 22 19:43:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DD893BF0E; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:43:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,241,1125874800"; d="scan'208"; a="45446108:sNHT18500958" Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051022203533.0337b030@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:41:09 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: quest for an audio interface...focusrite preamps In-Reply-To: <20051022190343.2057A3BF0A@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051022190343.2057A3BF0A@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:43:42 +0000 (UTC) Mr. Morton says:- >I have the older mBox with Focusrite pres, and while the preamps are >perfectly adequate I wouldn't call them great. hmm... so what did you compare them with? I assumed the pres in the M-Box would be similar to those in the "budget" Focusrite gear, ...and those made Mackie pres sound like a distortion unit last time I compared. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 22 20:42:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D2813BEFA; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:42:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 16:47:53 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: touch-scren interface - was quest for an audio interface for laptop music applications To: Message-id: <001c01c5d749$dfef17e0$f39fa344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000201c5d721$4880f270$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:42:04 +0000 (UTC) Taking this thread into a slightly different direction, I think it would be most wonderful if they next wave of laptop computers came with a touch screen - and that audio applications became touch-screen smart - so that interfaces are again something you can manipulate on the fly, and without a mouse. Are there any developers here who can tell us about the state of this kind of development? David Kirkdorffer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 11:57 AM Subject: quest for an audio interface for laptop music applications I've decided to go laptop. At least to compile one setup that is entirely laptop. Now I need an USB audio interface - my Phase26 wouldn't do here. I'm looking for a laptop-based system with maximum portability. My requriements: Hard requirements: (1) at least one phantom-powered mic in and one Hi-Z in or two phantom-powered mic ins (2) two analogue 1/4 or XLR outs (3) headphone out (4) USB Would-be-nice: (5) a pair of SPDI/F connectors (6) a MIDI pair (7) possibility to create an effect send/return (8) no wallwart necessary (9) bus-powered (A) symmetrical outs (B) USB2 (C) ADAT connectors (D) 24/96 I've come up with a few devices: M-Audio Fast Track Pro Edirol UA-25 Mackie Spike Lexicon Omega Alesis IO/2 Tascam US-122 Behringer BCA2000 The requirements tracking matrix looks like this: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 A B C D Price M-Audio Fast Track Pro X X X X X X X X X X X 229 Edirol UA-25 X X X X X X X X X X X 225 Mackie Spike X X X X X X X X 229 Lexicon Omega X X X X X X X 278 Alesis IO/2 X X X X X X X X X X X 159 Tascam US-122 X X X X X X X 208 Behringer BCA2000 X X X X X X X X X X X 195 Ok, so what is the conclusion? The price is a standard in the 200-230ˆ range - the only exceptions being the Alesis and the Lexicon. The Behringer does win the flexibility price, with its lots of outputs, its 1in-2out-MIDI interface and its ADAT connector. Plus it's the only device with USB2, hence it can transmit in 24/96 both ways (if that's what you need). And it's the only device where you could create an external effects send/return (e.g. to put your favourite outboard/stompbox stuff into the setup). And it's cheaper than all competitors safe for the Alesis. The Alesis on the other hand is the cheapest, and that without standing behind the Edirol/M-Audio/Tascam competitors that much. Finally, the Lexicon looks the most "professional", with the most powerful included mixer and micpres that at least have a fairly "pro" (sic!) name. But you can't power it via the bus AND it uses a wallwart... So, I'm as wise as before. Any suggestions? Any experiences with the three devices I mentioned in the last paragraph? Any words on the other devices (Edirol, Tascam, Mackie, M-Audio) that should make me reconsider? Any other products I didn't even think about? Thanks, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 22 20:44:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A2143BEFE; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:44:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HxPITvoyvAZtHOg/L7vgkbNvN88sn4TKpEOh9P0kD0Q2KYsSqHWZwtuplz9YP0qhjPz6zlnHAjSTna42SkexEiquq/C/BgMvVuEiV5HMXv7kxlq2qwLf1HeLbg/dRqlYgpsxhL51t64rJXWjJkuiyxARDfY5Ni2K7M7KrqhG3kM= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:44:23 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: touch-scren interface - was quest for an audio interface for laptop music applications In-Reply-To: <001c01c5d749$dfef17e0$f39fa344@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000201c5d721$4880f270$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <001c01c5d749$dfef17e0$f39fa344@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:44:25 +0000 (UTC) Haven't a bunch of hardware synthesizers had touch screens for a while now? On 10/22/05, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Taking this thread into a slightly different direction, I think it would = be > most wonderful if they next wave of laptop computers came with a touch > screen - and that audio applications became touch-screen smart - so that > interfaces are again something you can manipulate on the fly, and without= a > mouse. > > Are there any developers here who can tell us about the state of this kin= d > of development? > > David Kirkdorffer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 22 20:51:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 037783BEEA; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:51:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Fy37fVrGSBQ9sPtQCO9EKXUHqr+qXKplMwOOTJtREcE9DhW19kAvuISBnU7tfL6cNMO3uIqK1+TPym/OvAf9UQFjdXQuHsZ9zowvHMmvElFpGt05i0ZPuiWWNHAwepe+fM8XrstAPqPLXtUR4iz35ONrZRYFgE3pt0rDbS5zkXg= Message-ID: <353e2ed80510221351x313f0feby8f672b46f24f3c10@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 21:51:19 +0100 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: touch-scren interface - was quest for an audio interface for laptop music applications In-Reply-To: <001c01c5d749$dfef17e0$f39fa344@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000201c5d721$4880f270$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <001c01c5d749$dfef17e0$f39fa344@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:51:21 +0000 (UTC) On 10/22/05, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Taking this thread into a slightly different direction, I think it would = be > most wonderful if they next wave of laptop computers came with a touch > screen - and that audio applications became touch-screen smart - so that > interfaces are again something you can manipulate on the fly, and without= a > mouse. http://www.jazzmutant.com/lemur_overview.php http://www.cycling74.com/products/lemur.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 22 22:41:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D9FD3BEF5; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 22:41:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qSrDmeRQ9cMTaeO1432vaBJqbxsutMRNaYxyQg1He3A6kkBsMMUoYyiMRroxC4F2d2yCKUnwl0IN2k8Y1GNZUIr7O6PV0D8yk4IqdshxJAUi9HScugc3XyVykb/TPVh0ZHLy4ab8ponZSOrcVvopygHKxmZT7gr7kfVQpMRDcmY= Message-ID: <353e2ed80510221541k600a2fddxd5fc71682ef5c6c3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 23:41:33 +0100 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: quest for an audio interface...focusrite preamps In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051022203533.0337b030@pop.tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051022190343.2057A3BF0A@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051022203533.0337b030@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 22:41:35 +0000 (UTC) On 10/22/05, a k butler wrote: > hmm... > so what did you compare them with? http://www.fmraudio.com/RNP8380.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 23 01:47:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E3103BEF5; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 01:47:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 21:53:33 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: touch-scren interface - was quest for an audio interface for laptop music applications To: Message-id: <000801c5d774$93a0e320$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000201c5d721$4880f270$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <001c01c5d749$dfef17e0$f39fa344@hppav> <353e2ed80510221351x313f0feby8f672b46f24f3c10@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 01:47:41 +0000 (UTC) cool! ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Morton" To: Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 4:51 PM Subject: Re: touch-scren interface - was quest for an audio interface for laptop music applications On 10/22/05, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Taking this thread into a slightly different direction, I think it would be > most wonderful if they next wave of laptop computers came with a touch > screen - and that audio applications became touch-screen smart - so that > interfaces are again something you can manipulate on the fly, and without a > mouse. http://www.jazzmutant.com/lemur_overview.php http://www.cycling74.com/products/lemur.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 23 01:57:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53FD53BEF6; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 01:57:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 22:03:16 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: touch-scren interface - was quest for an audio interface for laptop music applications To: Message-id: <001801c5d775$eee11100$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000201c5d721$4880f270$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <001c01c5d749$dfef17e0$f39fa344@hppav> <353e2ed80510221351x313f0feby8f672b46f24f3c10@mail.gmail.com> <000801c5d774$93a0e320$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 01:57:25 +0000 (UTC) But getting touch screen computer applications would be better. I predict when the dual-core 64-bit machines will be the platform on which we see these developments start to become mainstream. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 9:53 PM Subject: Re: touch-scren interface - was quest for an audio interface for laptop music applications > cool! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Morton" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 4:51 PM > Subject: Re: touch-scren interface - was quest for an audio interface for > laptop music applications > > > On 10/22/05, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > Taking this thread into a slightly different direction, I think it would > be > > most wonderful if they next wave of laptop computers came with a touch > > screen - and that audio applications became touch-screen smart - so that > > interfaces are again something you can manipulate on the fly, and without > a > > mouse. > > http://www.jazzmutant.com/lemur_overview.php > > http://www.cycling74.com/products/lemur.html > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 23 04:35:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9300F3BED3; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 04:35:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 23:35:46 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: touch-scren interface - was quest for an audio interface for laptop music applications In-reply-to: <001801c5d775$eee11100$0affff0a@hppav> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <435B1322.8080308@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <000201c5d721$4880f270$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <001c01c5d749$dfef17e0$f39fa344@hppav> <353e2ed80510221351x313f0feby8f672b46f24f3c10@mail.gmail.com> <000801c5d774$93a0e320$0affff0a@hppav> <001801c5d775$eee11100$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: <0Gn2m.A.3KG.pMxWDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 04:35:53 +0000 (UTC) David Kirkdorffer wrote: > But getting touch screen computer applications would be better. I predict > when the dual-core 64-bit machines will be the platform on which we see > these developments start to become mainstream. Touch screens in various forms have been around for over thirty years, one of the earliest relatively mainstream touch screen was the plasma panel of the Plato educational terminal in the mid seventies. It doesn't take a lot of computer power to interface with a touch panel, so 64-bit dual core machines aren't going to affect their adoption. I expect them to become more popular in the future, but more because of changing tastes and application support, not CPU power. There are two related reasons touch panels haven't become mainstream: 1) they are expensive compared to keyboard/mouse technology 2) they are not as ergonomic for most users compared to a keyboard/mouse Think about how you use a computer today. You are sitting with your forearms resting on a surface with your hands draped over a keyboard and mouse, there is a monitor at around shoulder level. Now imagine you have no mouse and instead your monitor is a touch panel. To do any of the things you currently do with a mouse, you have to raise your arm into the air and hold it there. Unless you exercise more than I do, this gets tiring very quickly. A finger is also a lot less accurate than a mouse cursor. "Light pens" which have been around for decades can help the accuracy problem, but they don't solve the fatigue problem. So, how about a mouse alternative that is a touch panel that lays flat on your desk. Things like this have been around for many years, but they are expensive compared to the $5 a simple mouse costs and they take up more space on your desk. You can pick up a mouse and make it work just about anywhere you have a few square inches of space, but an 8x10 inch panel always requires that much space. The next thing that sounds cool is to eliminate the keyboard and instead have a rectangular panel upon which we can project different "buttons". We could project something that looks like a traditional keyboard but you're tapping on the glass instead of pressing mechanical keys, just like they do in Star Trek. The problem is that most people need the tactile feedback they get from a keyboard in order to type accurately. Think about not having those little concave key surfaces to help guide your fingers. Trust me, it is very hard to type quickly and accurately without them. It is quite possible we could adapt to life without mechanical keys, but such evolutionary shifts take a long time and have nothing to do with technology. We would all be better off using Dvorak keyboards or at least those funky split keyboards but very few people do. Until enough people are comfortable with a touch panel as a keyboard replacement, the cost won't come down. Until the cost comes down, few people will even attempt to become comfortable with them. Another chicken and egg problem. Touch panels certainly have many uses, and I absolutely lust after the Lemur. But until the cost comes down due to some "killer app" that makes everybody want one, they are not going to be mainstream for a very long time. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 23 07:49:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 143D53BEDF; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 07:49:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Re: quest for an audio interface...focusrite preamps Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 09:51:01 +0200 Message-ID: <000401c5d7a6$83b83e40$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80510221541k600a2fddxd5fc71682ef5c6c3@mail.gmail.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <83r4fB.A.WKE.YC0WDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 07:49:45 +0000 (UTC) ...the best pre short of the brick... -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: David Morton [mailto:dmorton@gmail.com]=20 Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. Oktober 2005 00:42 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Re: quest for an audio interface...focusrite preamps On 10/22/05, a k butler wrote: > hmm... > so what did you compare them with? http://www.fmraudio.com/RNP8380.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 23 09:35:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 812973BEF4; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 09:35:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Jr7DBjA8lVPcedAPyVJNBwzKqdtSWtkp75LRWyo+bTRG44c2fDVUGDXXXL/RO4YRczuUneXjQOuWf1u2rrGY0Ic7rW5GYDUYkTvR1FT5qRs+44Aed/m387ESlY5ya1Ksrz4TuzY3Xl+IT/jC4Rkm8hum4clIm7aLCOSYsxZZmbw= Message-ID: <353e2ed80510230235w7d0038fctd6123c00f4456d17@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 10:35:04 +0100 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: touch-scren interface - was quest for an audio interface for laptop music applications In-Reply-To: <435B1322.8080308@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000201c5d721$4880f270$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <001c01c5d749$dfef17e0$f39fa344@hppav> <353e2ed80510221351x313f0feby8f672b46f24f3c10@mail.gmail.com> <000801c5d774$93a0e320$0affff0a@hppav> <001801c5d775$eee11100$0affff0a@hppav> <435B1322.8080308@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 09:35:06 +0000 (UTC) On 10/23/05, Jeff Larson wrote: > I absolutely lust after the Lemur. It causes me *serious* credit card stress. Even just going to the Jazz Mutant site for the URL to post yesterday lead to one of those "put down the wallet and back away from the keyboard" moments. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 23 11:20:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51D0A3BF06; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 11:20:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <5e3c7d8e1a040cce1617c9a312ef29a6@bluecocoa.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: geoff smith Subject: can u run multiple sooper loopers? Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 12:20:00 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:31046aae14d26613101907701dd671f6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 11:20:03 +0000 (UTC) I am using sooper looper on mac osx does anyone know a way of running more than one sooper looper at once for multitrack looping? cheers geoff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 23 11:22:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB9253BEFE; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 11:22:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Firewire (for laptop interface applications) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 13:23:49 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c5d7c4$3dfc8b90$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80510221102i5bddcc7u6f9ffc354eafe5d0@mail.gmail.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 11:22:31 +0000 (UTC) Dear David and Ken and everyone, I do not currently plan to use firewire in this application, although I should, and that for the following reason: The laptop I'm not currently planning to replace (a 2GHz Pentium4M w/ 1G of RAM) is somewhat challenged regarding interfaces, bringing only three connectors for its USB1.1 hub. I've fitted it with a USB2 PCMCIA card with two connectors, so I'm equipped for the high-speed USB applications. I've come to understand that most serious audio interfaces for laptops are firewire-based, and this for the following reason: all USB2 implementations for Macs suck ass. They do not even come close to Firewire400, which speed-wise the USB2 on Windows-based laptops does outperform.=20 So the options would be: 1. Get a firewire interface (these come very cheap, 'round =8025), and = use the Firewire and the USB2 interface alternatingly with the laptop (meaning I couldn't use any of my external USB2 harddisks with my laptop while using Firewire). 2. Getting a USB2+FireWire interface (Adaptec makes one four 'round =80100). 3. Getting a USB(2)-enabled audio interface. I'm somewhat hestitant to go with option 1, because there might arise applications where I would want to use an external harddisk, and I don't want to get yet another external harddisk with firewire (although I might need another external harddisk sooner or later, currently, I use an external harddisk as a backup solution for my audio stuff, and I might grow out of that).=20 Solution 2 sounds considerably better, even though it would make me throw away (or sell at a loss) my USB2 PCMCIA interface. Still, I don't see the advantages of the Firewire interfaces for my specific applications. The firebox doesn't seem to be that much of an advantage over the USB solutions to justify the additional =80100 for = the Firewire interface (see above). Both the Saffire and the MOTU traveller (hey, especially the MOTU traveller) do compete in a somewhat different price range. Regarding some of the suggestions: It's true, M-Audio have a great reputation for driver stability, but I had failed trying to install a M-Audio product on my system (that's why I got my terratec). I somehow fail to understand a statement like "the xxyy has Focusrite preamps which will sound great". Focusrite has a fame of marketing extremely cheap and badly-designed products in their budget product lines with their brand name from the pro lines (Red etc.). Guess I'll go with the Behringer and let you bash me for this. A friend of mine (a pro, btw) had been touring successfully with the BCR2000 from the same product line. And for those cases where I need to go professional with lots of channels for recordings jobs, I'll just use my RME Digiface. Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: David Morton [mailto:dmorton@gmail.com]=20 Gesendet: Samstag, 22. Oktober 2005 20:03 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: quest for an audio interface for laptop music applications On 10/22/05, Ken Higgins wrote: > > Well, > > It's a Firewire unit and not USB, but I'd like to > throw in a vote for the MOTU Traveler. Does all > that you ask and lots more. > http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/traveler/ > > Lots of capabilities to grow into. It's a lot > like the MOTU 828 mkII in a portable, bus-powered > package. Another vote for MOTU from here. I'm *very* happy with my 896HD. in 13 months of hard use it hasn't given the slightest hint of a suggestion of a problem. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 23 14:16:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 344623BEF5; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:16:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1711CF34-0BFC-426D-A2C2-9F0BD3B6E426@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: new monthly loop-heavy gig in London! Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:16:49 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:16:34 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, I've finally got round to launching a monthly music night - after a =20 couple of years of recording and experimenting with lots of loop-=20 friendly chums. It's called the Recycle Collective - www.recyclecollective.com - and =20 the first three dates are - Nov 16th 2005 - Steve Lawson/Theo Travis duo, and Trip Wamsley - theo =20= and I will be playing tunes from our duet Cd, 'For The Love Of Open =20 Spaces' as well as some improv stuff, and Trip is a solo bassist/=20 singer-songwriter and an amazing musician and performer. January 12th 2006 - BJ Cole/Cleveland Watkiss/Steve Lawson - pedal =20 steel/voice and bass, solos, duos, trios. I've played with both of =20 these guys a lot, and we've done one thing together as a trio at one =20 of my gigs before, which was beautiful. Feb 22nd 2006 - Orphy Robinson/Roger Goula duo + Steve Lawson/Patrick =20= Wood duo - tuned percussion/acoustic guitar and then bass/keys, and =20 no doubt some stuff with all four of us! artist links - www.stevelawson.net www.theotravis.com www.tripwamsley.com www.bjcole.co.uk www.clevelandwatkiss.com www.orphyrobinson.com http://www.geocities.com/rogergoula/ www.worksmusic.net I'm really pleased to have put together so many of my favourite =20 musicians for these nights. Much loopage will certainly take place, =20 but more importantly, much beautiful music will ensue. The venue is Darbucka World Music Bar - www.darbucka.com - 182 St =20 John's Street, Clerkenwell, London, EC1 4JZ and doors open at 7pm. The tickets for each night are =A36/=A34 but you can buy reduced price =20= advance tickets from www.stevelawson.net/store/ And in-keeping with the recycling theme, we're going to have a =20 different recycling collection each month and the first one is mobile =20= phones - bringing an old mobile phone will get you money off CDs =20 bought on the night, and the phones will be given to Oxfam to recycle. Please come down, and spread the word, it's going to be a fantastic =20 event each month! Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 23 15:30:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F3213BF10; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:30:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=sprintmail.com; b=Rn3VP1AUdjVLFHVr91T/eXqsJXBLrJgzYisZ0pChRRSA6J7RDU18d88rgF1k2u+L; h=Received:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Content-Type:To:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3AEB3C55-39A7-47B9-B013-A4D5B1406885@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig spam (Washington state): Travis Hartnett Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 08:30:39 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-ELNK-Trace: 86a6669cc0c295031c0d99aadad889b544085b9606502ed962b0981f9de9b8c062bd05164962602d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.91.62.52 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:30:42 +0000 (UTC) More acoustic guitar live looping stuff this week. The new CD, "Sequel" is finished, featuring material from the last year and will be available at all upcoming shows: October 27, Thursday, 9:30PM Fire And Earth (322 E. 4th Ave, Olympia) A new place in Olympia where I'll be playing a short set as a sort of live audition for a full-length show later in the year. October 28, Friday, 8-10PM Wayward Coffee (8570 Greenwood, Seattle) A new place in my neighborhood, and a strong entrant in the "highest ceilings in a acoustic live music venue" competition. I don't have a tape measure long enough to see if they beat out Zippy's in Tacoma. October 29, Saturday, 7-9PM Flipside Coffeehouse (13317 Ne 175th St Ste P., Woodinville) The only place I've ever found to play in Woodinville. Fortunately it's very nice. Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 23 15:35:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3862B3BF18; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:35:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <5e3c7d8e1a040cce1617c9a312ef29a6@bluecocoa.co.uk> References: <5e3c7d8e1a040cce1617c9a312ef29a6@bluecocoa.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5032456E-32E6-437F-B9D6-59BEC837E423@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: can u run multiple sooper loopers? Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:35:42 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: <45cT0C.A.ns.R36WDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:35:46 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 23, 2005, at 13:20, geoff smith wrote: > I am using sooper looper on mac osx > does anyone know a way of running more than one sooper looper at > once for multitrack looping? > cheers > geoff Yes. Use a multi-channel host application. I opened up to three instances of SooperLooper on different channels of Ableton Live. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 23 16:08:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6434C3BF14; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:08:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=e6piutUGOhhm9NUlunlRVj8Y/WIYmQqaTS5nEte9XSwc50EETvI7FRpa1yLXzOBynM+K8L9H+86G27N2X92ydp7vOskjDCmcdUiHmXsNmDhnfCCtldg8U7Q6M0uNrX3RyK2gZmhpegddzoGOGNKsEV3ySGp7S6Z+BOfOClZJ29M= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 12:08:45 -0400 From: Jesse Chappell Sender: essejlc@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: can u run multiple sooper loopers? In-Reply-To: <5032456E-32E6-437F-B9D6-59BEC837E423@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5e3c7d8e1a040cce1617c9a312ef29a6@bluecocoa.co.uk> <5032456E-32E6-437F-B9D6-59BEC837E423@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:08:47 +0000 (UTC) On 10/23/05, Per Boysen wrote: > On Oct 23, 2005, at 13:20, geoff smith wrote: > > > I am using sooper looper on mac osx > > does anyone know a way of running more than one sooper looper at > > once for multitrack looping? > > cheers > > geoff > > > Yes. Use a multi-channel host application. I opened up to three > instances of SooperLooper on different channels of Ableton Live. Note that for this you might want to try the latest 1.0.8c release that includes an AudioUnit implementation. This isn't advertised on the website yet. http://essej.net/sooperlooper/SooperLooper-1.0.8c.dmg However, you can also add loops to a single running instance that might also satisfy your requirement. jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 23 16:43:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C07FE3BF15; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:43:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,241,1125874800"; d="scan'208"; a="46128692:sNHT50789543" Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051023173516.03239750@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 17:42:25 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Firewire (for laptop interface applications) In-Reply-To: <20051023141634.AA1853BF0B@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051023141634.AA1853BF0B@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:43:45 +0000 (UTC) At 15:16 23/10/05, you wrote: >I somehow fail to understand a statement like "the xxyy has Focusrite >preamps which will sound great". Focusrite has a fame of marketing >extremely cheap and badly-designed products in their budget product >lines with their brand name from the pro lines (Red etc.). Interesting... A new kind of "fame" rather un-like the familiar "well known" kind :-) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 23 18:10:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 376073BEFE; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:10:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Tim Thompson" To: Subject: RE: touch-scren interface - was quest for an audio interface for laptop music applications Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 11:10:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcXX3LRvSSISh8M6RCe2ua3v/I4LsAAFlOmA Message-Id: <20051023181024.7BB2C3BED8@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:10:25 +0000 (UTC) > Haven't a bunch of hardware synthesizers had touch screens for a while = now? One of the latest examples is the Korg Oasys: = http://www.digitalplayroom.com/Korg/oasys_pic.htm . They didn't make = the mistake of trying to replace lots of sliders with only a = single-finger touch surface, and they've made excellent use of the touch = interface and resolution of the display to make a very accessible (and = pricey) instrument. What's new and noteworthy about the Lemur (and things like the = Fingerworks iGesture pad) is the ability to detect multiple fingers = simultaneously and independently. This makes a *big* difference in the = style of interfaces for which it's useful. =20 If you're a software developer and want to play with a multi-finger = interface while waiting for the price of Lemur-like things to come down, = you can pick up a Fingerworks iGesture pad while they're still = available. They're no longer manufactured (some unnamed large company = bought the technology), but you can pick up a Fingerworks iGesture pad = on eBay for ~$150. www.thehumansolution.com/pad.html has them new for = $239 - they used to charge $199 when they had 100 units, but since they = only have 19 left, the price is going up. The SDK makes it very easy to = use from a C program, and the pad is *very* responsive. Good = resolution, too - it gives you well over 2000x2000 points across the = pad, and it will tell you the area covered by each finger, which gives = you a pseudo-pressure value. If you happen to use keykit, the latest = version has support for the iGesture (PC only). ...Tim... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 23 19:59:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EA7A3BEFA; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 19:59:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: <5e3c7d8e1a040cce1617c9a312ef29a6@bluecocoa.co.uk> <5032456E-32E6-437F-B9D6-59BEC837E423@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1B0B5918-F8E4-4375-B386-F55CFA1FE397@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: can u run multiple sooper loopers? Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:59:53 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 19:59:58 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 23, 2005, at 18:08, Jesse Chappell wrote: > might want to try the latest 1.0.8c release > that includes an AudioUnit implementation. This isn't advertised on > the website yet. > > http://essej.net/sooperlooper/SooperLooper-1.0.8c.dmg I just checked info on my SoolerLooperAU.component and it says "version 1.1.0". How can the latest have a lower version number? (1.0.8c) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 24 04:05:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35BF53BF08; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 04:05:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" Subject: The PiNG presents AKUMU and Mara's Torment Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 00:08:09 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000301c5d850$8b96b420$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 04:05:00 +0000 (UTC) THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday October 25th - Mara's Torment and AKUMU rik and sovaak the sock monkey of mara's torment return to the PiNG=20 to play an extra special ookie scary show filled with fear, frights, horror and mayhem. Or maybe not. Maybe they'll just perform the same delightful ballads and saucy sea shanties that have made them so beloved the world over. Either way it proves to be a fun and exciting time for the whole family, especially if your family likes saucy sea shanties. And Pirates!!! Yaaaarrr!!!! http://www.marastorment.com Akumu (aka Deane Hughes) is a composer of atmospheric ambience, shadowy beats and minimal manipulations. Formed as a solo project in 2000, Akumu has released three full-length albums on his own Spider Records imprint. His newest CD, "Magmas" (2005) was conceived and written in Guatemala, Honduras & Mexico; it is the follow-up to 2004=92s "Fluxes", an ambient, zero-bpm recording of unflinching minimalism that The Wire says =93raises neat hackles across the skin.=94 For 6 = months, Deane traveled throughout remote locations, making binaural recordings from which he created the drone- and loop-based instruments that form the spine of material. Akumu has performed live across Ontario and Quebec, including 2005=92s Mutek festival in Montr=E9al, featuring = visual projections of his photography, animated collages and 2D/3D digital experiments. For this performance, Akumu's set will highlight and improvise on "Magmas" and "Fluxes" to create an immersive, flowing soundscape of micro-sonics, ambient drones and low-frequency pulses. http://www.spiderrecords.com/akumu Between Sets CD - "Messianicghosts" by Rapoon Yes, the PiNG is bound by law, as Halloween approaches, to play some spooky music and thus we feature these sparce, unsettling tracks by Robin Storey's Rapoon project. http://pretentious.net/Rapoon/ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday November 1st - A Worthy Fall, Night 3 - November http://www.worthyrecords.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Studios and Airplanes" by Building Castles Out of Matchsticks I've never been secretive about my appreciation for Anne Sulikowski's work as Building Castles Out of Matchsticks. Her sense of environment, the way that she weaves disparate threads of sound and noise into a beautifully cohesive tapestry, the way that she's able to put so much emotion and feeling into electronic music, it's all combined to make me realize how very much I enjoy her work. With the release of her latest disc "Studios and Airplanes", Anne proves her mastery of the medium once again and validates my feelings that she's one of the premier electronic artists working today. "I Cut My Wrists With Your Bad Thoughts" opens the disc with a series of looping field recordings where cityscape sounds come together to create a living, breathing, screaming immersive environment. You can't help but feel completely surrounded by what's happening, can't help but feel that you exist only within the space that Anne has made. "It is Clear That the Rain Would Come" follows, droning poetry spoken/sung in a wind tunnel, messages in bottles thrown out to sea hopeful that somebody will find them. But as with messages in bottles, words get washed away and blurred, pleas get lost and confused, and in the end all that's left is a beautiful stained piece of paper that holds mysteries and secrets=20 and whispers that you'll never hear. An uptempo beat plays underneath a heavy wall of static in "The Stars Are My Boyfriends", Anne singing sweetly just on the edges of the track, just deep enough in the mix that you can't quite understand the words, and instead you're left to imagine what she's singing, the only clear thought that the stars are her boyfriends, and all the wonder that entails. "Window Pain Will Be Our Love Song" moves the disc forward with a shuffling urgency, fast beats competing with an oscillating drone to fill out the space. There=92s something revelatory about this track, a weight being lifted. Or maybe a greater strength has been found to carry the same weight? Skip ahead to "It's So Surprising Just How Quickly Things Can End", where the sounds of falling rain and thunder blend into a wall of drone building in intensity. And out of nowhere a drum=20 pattern begins, giving form and shape to the noise, a beacon around which everything is formed. It's like hope, something to cling onto in the midst of all the darkness. And then it all comes together. "Somehow You'd Find A Way" brings all of the themes of the disc and sums them all up in an accessible and appealing popsong format. There's a clarity of vision here, a sad resolve overtop deceptively upbeat drumming. It's the sound of realization and acceptance, and in that awareness there's a sense of empowerment, an optimism that things will be different next time, that what's been is gone and that the future holds promise. Hope. And sure enough, disc closer "When Winter is Gone and Spring Comes Back My World Will be Green Again" proves that point, melodies rising and gaining clarity from thick waves of sound, slowly overtaking the darkness. I've said countless times in the past that Anne has a way of bringing emotion and organicism to her work. With the release of "Studios and Airplanes", Anne has once again shown her skill at breathing life into her pieces, a gift that has helped her develop a very loyal following. Surely it's a gift that will continue to bring her to the attention of those who are willing to try something new. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com =3D ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 24 15:59:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD3E63BF08; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:59:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dAo/mBgkmpz2nY632dFsjLy1cHYja216JmxsqkbY5znW+ZDQ9YJSWlkjG1Lc6hTxHS1wvf8WgawsbEY38Ves2uE2LPzywUNvTN5DFSLq+YZBi9+RUGozSnn0DtCqmONdwfEpZr5HZt2Rbe8YETAtGC5iIrLdLJMob+tV2DVWFLk= ; Message-ID: <20051024155912.68549.qmail@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 08:59:12 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Firewire (for laptop interface applications) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051023141634.B33503BF06@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <0I_FeC.A.VPD.RTQXDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:59:13 +0000 (UTC) Rainier wrote: <<<2. Getting a USB2+FireWire interface (Adaptec makes one four 'round €100). (snip) Solution 2 sounds considerably better, even though it would make me throw away (or sell at a loss) my USB2 PCMCIA interface.>>> I don't know how significant this information is because I'm not a computer gear-head. The Presonus company advises their Firewire users to purchase a dedicated Firewire card and not use the dual purpose cards like the combo USB2 + Firewire. They go further to specify Belcan and Adaptec as two companies that produce Firewire cards that meet Presonus' standards. Stephen __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 24 18:28:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6F4B3BEFE; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:28:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <9a.3051efc0.308e81ce@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:28:30 EDT Subject: new mp3 file To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <9peTBD.A.l7G.WfSXDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:28:38 +0000 (UTC) Greetings Just in case someone here might be interested, I have an audio file uploaded to Savefile for those who dislike mp3 sites, should be up for another week or so. Title: knob 3 at http://www.savefile.com/files/1917663 Sort of a noise orientated track made using just a thumb piano/kalimba, kaoss pad, Ineko, RC20 and the Boss SuperShifter. The noise blasts that open the piece are from an electric toothbrush against the kalimba resonator. If streaming is preferred, it is also up now at: http://tinyurl.com/cr25j Apologies to those who receive this as a crosspost. regards BobC http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier http://trundlebox.iuma.com http://tinyurl.com/cr25j From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 24 18:56:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBB153BF0C; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:56:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <07cb01c5d8cc$adfb6930$2cb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <9a.3051efc0.308e81ce@aol.com> Subject: Re: new mp3 file Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 12:56:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 361, in=162197, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 18:56:49 +0000 (UTC) Nice...listening to it for the second time now. Hey, has anyone on this list played at the Olympia (Washington) Experimental Music Festival? It is happening for the 12th year next summer. They get performers from all over the world. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 12:28 PM Subject: new mp3 file > Greetings > > Just in case someone here might be interested, I have an audio file uploaded > to Savefile for those who dislike mp3 sites, should be up for another week or > so. > > Title: knob 3 > at > http://www.savefile.com/files/1917663 > > Sort of a noise orientated track made using just a thumb piano/kalimba, kaoss > pad, Ineko, RC20 and the Boss SuperShifter. > The noise blasts that open the piece are from an electric toothbrush against > the kalimba resonator. > > If streaming is preferred, it is also up now at: > http://tinyurl.com/cr25j > > Apologies to those who receive this as a crosspost. > > regards > > BobC > > > > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier2 > http://www.cdbaby.com/rpcollier > http://trundlebox.iuma.com > http://tinyurl.com/cr25j > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 24 19:23:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EF053BF12; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:23:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=i/bW30u+sbURtQSkZOumNSKsdPOru2uwcDs1HudfO0AZyHt2QcAT37+63oeJgYF8e5JS8puY9YL4MgQoDMcWC3gNbrvVXulDLnQxay8BSKAxkFbW81TtdQTOQQk/pTkKNNzrWepqS/87EehguD3xWxNSMRuTdI2UTdTD7JVfh4g= Message-ID: <353e2ed80510241223j7a6d765dl@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:23:54 +0100 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new monthly loop-heavy gig in London! In-Reply-To: <1711CF34-0BFC-426D-A2C2-9F0BD3B6E426@steve-lawson.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <1711CF34-0BFC-426D-A2C2-9F0BD3B6E426@steve-lawson.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:23:57 +0000 (UTC) On 23/10/05, Steve Lawson wrote: > Hi all, > > I've finally got round to launching a monthly music night - after a > couple of years of recording and experimenting with lots of loop- > friendly chums. [snip] > The venue is Darbucka World Music Bar - www.darbucka.com - 182 St > John's Street, Clerkenwell, London, EC1 4JZ and doors open at 7pm. *Damn* I lived in Islington for almost nine years, and three months after I move this happens. :-) I shall try to get there, though. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 24 20:09:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DD903BF16; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:09:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <5032456E-32E6-437F-B9D6-59BEC837E423@boysen.se> References: <5e3c7d8e1a040cce1617c9a312ef29a6@bluecocoa.co.uk> <5032456E-32E6-437F-B9D6-59BEC837E423@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <59fe8d35c360b026360f5c5b28e476b6@bluecocoa.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: geoff smith Subject: Re: can u run multiple sooper loopers? Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:09:40 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:31046aae14d26613101907701dd671f6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:09:44 +0000 (UTC) Wow I didn't even realise it was out as an audio unit Absolutely blown away geoff. What are peoples feelings on hosting this software plug-in. I own logic pro 7 but don't really want to use anything that combersome anyone know any good simple au hosts for hosting say 2 or three sooper loopers and amplitude as my guitar front end, (as I love amplitube) I just want the leanest front for my looping as I like to get to it quickly and don't want anything at all distracting me. cheers geoff On 23 Oct 2005, at 16:35, Per Boysen wrote: > On Oct 23, 2005, at 13:20, geoff smith wrote: > >> I am using sooper looper on mac osx >> does anyone know a way of running more than one sooper looper at once >> for multitrack looping? >> cheers >> geoff > > > Yes. Use a multi-channel host application. I opened up to three > instances of SooperLooper on different channels of Ableton Live. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 24 20:11:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88AE23BF1A; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:11:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,245,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="382838252:sNHT488256084" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <59fe8d35c360b026360f5c5b28e476b6@bluecocoa.co.uk> References: <5e3c7d8e1a040cce1617c9a312ef29a6@bluecocoa.co.uk> <5032456E-32E6-437F-B9D6-59BEC837E423@boysen.se> <59fe8d35c360b026360f5c5b28e476b6@bluecocoa.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <536ABF01-8F09-47B2-BC48-2E1DD3B3B315@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: can u run multiple sooper loopers? Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 15:11:15 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:11:15 +0000 (UTC) Take a look at DSP Quattro -- I think it can meet your needs. On Oct 24, 2005, at 3:09 PM, geoff smith wrote: > Wow I didn't even realise it was out as an audio unit > Absolutely blown away > geoff. > What are peoples feelings on hosting this software plug-in. > > I own logic pro 7 but don't really want to use anything that > combersome > anyone know any good simple au hosts for hosting say 2 or three > sooper loopers and amplitude as my guitar front end, (as I love > amplitube) > I just want the leanest front for my looping as I like to get to it > quickly and don't want anything at all distracting me. > cheers > geoff > > On 23 Oct 2005, at 16:35, Per Boysen wrote: > > >> On Oct 23, 2005, at 13:20, geoff smith wrote: >> >> >>> I am using sooper looper on mac osx >>> does anyone know a way of running more than one sooper looper at >>> once for multitrack looping? >>> cheers >>> geoff >>> >> >> >> Yes. Use a multi-channel host application. I opened up to three >> instances of SooperLooper on different channels of Ableton Live. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.looproom.com (international) >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) >> www.cdbaby.com/perboysen >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 24 20:19:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 020A13BF1C; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:19:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=exugeXe9NEQzjF0h9j2Q0rG8GXOeKy/+zhJtLMnQdkauz+7zvrmkFfurOdVn579BFgjpBPCPwHQeZa7W8GGefhUacwR8MfNZS1O3zBDUwh/fMg49XgJgehJntWCKqLqdeMz+uyb6nX7UaoegSrp1rp+qTg+Ce5Ly6eUSxFxtWsA= Message-ID: <353e2ed80510241319h44cde3a2h@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:19:44 +0100 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: can u run multiple sooper loopers? In-Reply-To: <59fe8d35c360b026360f5c5b28e476b6@bluecocoa.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5e3c7d8e1a040cce1617c9a312ef29a6@bluecocoa.co.uk> <5032456E-32E6-437F-B9D6-59BEC837E423@boysen.se> <59fe8d35c360b026360f5c5b28e476b6@bluecocoa.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:19:45 +0000 (UTC) On 24/10/05, geoff smith wrote: > Wow I didn't even realise it was out as an audio unit > Absolutely blown away > geoff. > What are peoples feelings on hosting this software plug-in. > > I own logic pro 7 but don't really want to use anything that combersome > anyone know any good simple au hosts for hosting say 2 or three sooper > loopers and amplitude as my guitar front end, (as I love amplitube) > I just want the leanest front for my looping as I like to get to it > quickly and don't want anything at all distracting me. Have you looked at http://www.grantedsw.com/rax/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 24 22:47:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D82A3BF24; Mon, 24 Oct 2005 22:47:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <59fe8d35c360b026360f5c5b28e476b6@bluecocoa.co.uk> References: <5e3c7d8e1a040cce1617c9a312ef29a6@bluecocoa.co.uk> <5032456E-32E6-437F-B9D6-59BEC837E423@boysen.se> <59fe8d35c360b026360f5c5b28e476b6@bluecocoa.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8DB5F9B9-4E53-4911-B355-125F6D03AB98@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: can u run multiple sooper loopers? Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 00:47:17 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 22:47:22 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 24, 2005, at 22:09, geoff smith wrote: > anyone know any good simple au hosts for hosting say 2 or three > sooper loopers and amplitude as my guitar front end, (as I love > amplitube) Check out RAX. As easy you can get. It's like a rack mixer that also can send MIDI host clock tempo to synced plug-ins. > > I own logic pro 7 but don't really want to use anything that > combersome I too own Logic and I love it for production, but definitely not for looping performance ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 25 02:56:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B1963BF18; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 02:56:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <54.4f460b1b.308ef8c9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 22:56:09 EDT Subject: OT: FS Digitech XP-300 Spacce Station To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_54.4f460b1b.308ef8c9_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: YES Resent-Message-ID: <23NPSB.A.9uD.S7ZXDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 02:56:18 +0000 (UTC) --part1_54.4f460b1b.308ef8c9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there folks, I just listed this think on E-Bay finally. I figured their may be folks here= =20 that're=20 either interested themselves or know someone else who might be. T'is a cool pedal but I need to trim down on stuff in my kit (and my garage, heheheh). Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn PS. Buy "Flux Aeterna" from CDBaby during the months of September and October and all of my portion of the profits will be automatically donated to the Red Cross by CDBaby specifically for Gulf Coast hurricane relief. "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_54.4f460b1b.308ef8c9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there folks,

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    tEd =AE kiLLiAn

    PS. Buy "Flux Aeterna" from CDBaby during the months of September
    and October and all of my portion of the profits will be automatically
    donated to the Red Cross by CDBaby specifically for Gulf Coast
    hurricane relief.

    "Different is not always better, but better is always different"

    http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
    http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
    http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
    http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
    http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
    http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
    http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

    Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
    BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
    AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
    RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
    and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
     --part1_54.4f460b1b.308ef8c9_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 25 02:59:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D180E3BF2B; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 02:59:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <203.cf4d065.308ef99f@aol.com> Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 22:59:43 EDT Subject: Re: OT: FS Digitech XP-300 Spacce Station To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_203.cf4d065.308ef99f_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: YES Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 02:59:46 +0000 (UTC) --part1_203.cf4d065.308ef99f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Leave it to me to paste in the wrong URL. The correct E-Bay link is: http://cm.ebay.com/cm/ck/1065-29296-2357-0?uid=3D6861026&site=3D0&ver=3DLCA0= 80805& item=3D7360778177&lk=3DItemDescriptionANDimage Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn PS. Buy "Flux Aeterna" from CDBaby during the months of September and October and all of my portion of the profits will be automatically donated to the Red Cross by CDBaby specifically for Gulf Coast hurricane relief. "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_203.cf4d065.308ef99f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Leave it to me to paste in the wrong UR= L. The correct E-Bay link is:

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    Best regards,

    tEd =AE kiLLiAn

    PS. Buy "Flux Aeterna" from CDBaby during the months of September
    and October and all of my portion of the profits will be automatically
    donated to the Red Cross by CDBaby specifically for Gulf Coast
    hurricane relief.

    "Different is not always better, but better is always different"

    http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
    http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
    http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
    http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
    http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
    http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
    http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

    Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
    BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
    AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
    RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
    and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
     --part1_203.cf4d065.308ef99f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 25 07:04:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DED3C3BF26; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:04:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20051025025559.01ed4548@mail.wightman.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 03:04:35 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: some of my music In-Reply-To: <9a.3051efc0.308e81ce@aol.com> References: <9a.3051efc0.308e81ce@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-74526D2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:04:46 +0000 (UTC) I've been working towards a new cd myself, I've posted a couple of the new tunes on my web site. If you're curious you can meander through the website and learn more about what I do and find a few other tunes that I've recorded in the past. The new tunes can be found at http://members.tripod.com/Dulcimer_Traditions/newstuff.htm Hope you enjoy it. Paul Haslem looping hammered dulcimer and guitar in Ontario, Canada From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 25 07:20:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B0273BF34; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:20:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=HbNErZZwQOzXRSiG/HOM47wmJ0GoKp2K00uxudEsPAl700KHFzEeSjSg3jmlY4mRIhoYf7MI8BoTBvySCeZFpSeWC+xNQ0WMI5l5yHAkMEQGsfE3uL7HwdkT0u0yC9MU6md2N0gIM0/bQsbUNWYBhEe6iLUiWf+7iXRhPMI+CFY= ; Message-ID: <20051025072010.19998.qmail@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 00:20:09 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: OASYS. was: touch-scren interface To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051025025619.65E293BF21@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:20:12 +0000 (UTC) Just went to an OASYS demonstraton at Guitar Center tonight (they'll be in Portland, OR tomorrow evening). One thing the keyboard is not, is expensive. At only $8,500 USD, it is admittedly one of the pricier synths on the market today, though in yesteryears prices, it's damn cheap. Perhpas we're all just spoiled that prices on gear seem to either stay the same or drop as technology gets smaller and more sophisticated. Only the high end gear seems to go up in price over the years. The OASYS really has the touch screen down much better than the previous Triton series, or the Fantom series as well. Without checking the manual or asking the (admittedly clueless) employees for help, I was able to rather easily navigate around on the very well laid out screens and tabs. It's pointing in a direction that we've needed to embrace for a long time... ever since someone developed the small LCD screen with multiple pages hiding multiple parameters. Even if you have no interest in keyboards or (relatively) high prices, you all owe it to yourselves to check out the OASYS touch screen. It is hopefully the wave of the future. I did have some critically negative observations of the keyboard just to let you all know that I'm not gushing all over it. I do feel that it's well worth the price though. Think I'll give it a year or three to settle down before I seriously consider it. It's a hell of a gauntlet to throw down... take that Kurzweil, Yamaha, and Roland! Stephen > Haven't a bunch of hardware synthesizers had touch screens for a while now? One of the latest examples is the Korg Oasys: http://www.digitalplayroom.com/Korg/oasys_pic.htm . They didn't make the mistake of trying to replace lots of sliders with only a single-finger touch surface, and they've made excellent use of the touch interface and resolution of the display to make a very accessible (and pricey) instrument. __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 25 08:28:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBA2F3BF2A; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:28:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,248,1125874800"; d="scan'208"; a="44359082:sNHT24615829" Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051025084600.02dd22c0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:55:43 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: can u run multiple sooper loopers? In-Reply-To: <20051025025619.6F1163BF22@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051025025619.6F1163BF22@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:28:07 +0000 (UTC) >What are peoples feelings on hosting this software plug-in. Plogue Bidule www.plogue.com a very efficient host, with multiple syncing options. ..and interestingly it can now function as vst/au within another host. Wonder what happens if you get it to host itself ?? andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 25 09:04:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B63EB3BF2A; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:04:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 02:04:19 -0700 Subject: Re: new mp3 file Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <07cb01c5d8cc$adfb6930$2cb2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-Id: <53B3CF9A-4536-11DA-B913-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:04:22 +0000 (UTC) On Monday, October 24, 2005, at 11:56 AM, Kris Hartung wrote: > Nice...listening to it for the second time now. > > Hey, has anyone on this list played at the Olympia (Washington) > Experimental > Music Festival? It is happening for the 12th year next summer. They get > performers from all over the world. > I played it in 1995 with my band at the time Minus, a free-improv power trio. Fun gig. As I recall, we were accompanied by a guy who was projecting old educational films on 3 screens simultaneously. Seemed like a fairly small scale show at the time, most performers were from the NW. It's cool to see that it's still happening. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 25 09:10:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D99823BF3A; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:10:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001c01c5d943$fb4a8b90$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20051024155912.68549.qmail@web34206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Firewire (for laptop interface applications) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:10:43 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:10:51 +0000 (UTC) From: "S V G" > Rainier wrote: > <<<2. Getting a USB2+FireWire interface (Adaptec makes one four 'round > ?100). > (snip) > Solution 2 sounds considerably better, even though it would make me > throw away (or sell at a loss) my USB2 PCMCIA interface.>>> > > > I don't know how significant this information is because I'm not a > computer gear-head. The > Presonus company advises their Firewire users to purchase a dedicated > Firewire card and not use > the dual purpose cards like the combo USB2 + Firewire. They go further to > specify Belcan and > Adaptec as two companies that produce Firewire cards that meet Presonus' > standards. While I'm not familiar with Presonus I can tell you there are a LOT of bogus Firewire and Firewire/USB cards out there, sporting what appears to be a VIA or NEC chipset, and they're mostly pirated cards from mainland China piped through Taiwan. Lots of them on eBay actually - and offering pirated videowave or premiere software on CD-R (though it doesn't install too well!). For the price and non-hassle value, it's best to just go to a retail operation and get a brand-name card. I haven't had one problem with the Belkin Firewire or USB cards, though I've avoided combo cards in the interest of avoiding a possible bottleneck. I've also been using the USB sharing junction Belkin makes and it stays out of the way when you want it to. Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * http://www.medialinenews.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 25 09:48:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B94AD3BF35; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:48:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051022181300.02e0da70@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:47:30 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: New Question EDP FCB - Switches In-Reply-To: <20051022162927.110253BF49@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051022162927.110253BF49@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:48:55 +0000 (UTC) oops, found this in the outbox waiting to be sent, well past it's sell by date >i want to replace the small switches with something much larger and easier >to press. what type of switch do you advise? Advise you to stick with the small switches. It isn't just a matter of being "easy" to press, there's also the need to have accurate timing. (which is why those particular switches are used) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 25 11:07:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 160E53BF43; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:07:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-82.messagelabs.com!1130238467!0!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC89C6@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: cheap looper alert: TASCAM CD-VT 1 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:07:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5D954.500062D0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:07:49 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5D954.500062D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I have the CD-GT1 "guitar trainer" which is basically the same thing. The GT1 is not smart about doing a cross fade at the loop point, so it is very easy to get a "click" if the source material isn't close to silence on either side.<< I have the mk2 version; note to potential UK buyers- this thing is half the price if you buy it from musician's friend or probably any US dealer, even after the shipping is added. I also bought the snazzy little carry-case which has room for a psu, & has built in speakers. if you're learning/practising/rehearsing, these things are excellent. I haven't heard it clicking on a looped cd playback yet. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. 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    >>I have the CD-GT1 "guitar trainer" whic= h is basically the
    same thing.  The GT1 is not smart about doing a cro= ss fade at the loop
    point, so it is very easy to get a "click" if = the source material
    isn't close to silence on either side.<<

    I have the mk2 version; note to potential UK buyers- this= thing is half the price if you buy it from musician's friend or probably a= ny US dealer, even after the shipping is added. I also bought the snazzy li= ttle carry-case which has room for a psu, & has built in speakers. if y= ou're learning/practising/rehearsing, these things are excellent. I haven't= heard it clicking on a looped cd playback yet.

    duncan.



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    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5D954.500062D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 25 12:14:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 437B63BF3D; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:14:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Robert van der Kamp Reply-To: robnet@wxs.nl To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: Electrix Repeater (Netherlands) Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:14:04 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200510251414.04041.robnet@wxs.nl> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:14:50 +0000 (UTC) For those living in the Netherlands (or close by), I'm selling one of my two Repeaters on marktplaats.nl. Info here: http://koopjes.marktplaats.nl/muziek_en_instrumenten/midiapparatuur/10257178.html Thanks, Robert From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 25 13:53:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE84D3BF23; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:53:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051025084600.02dd22c0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> References: <20051025025619.6F1163BF22@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051025084600.02dd22c0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <765ee21c77667f6dd0fddb051876e4db@bluecocoa.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: geoff smith Subject: Re: can u run multiple sooper loopers? Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:45:57 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:31046aae14d26613101907701dd671f6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:53:39 +0000 (UTC) Thanks guys just one more question. All I will ever want is to have 3 sooper loopers That record to the same loop length. i.e. I hit record on one sooper looper then when I record on sooper looper 2 and 3 they always default to the same loop length, I don't want any other parameters quantised at all just the loop length of each sooper looper to be the same, but I would like to do this by setting this with the first sooper looper in realtime i.e. start playing hit record hit record again and hey presto all my looping in any super looper will now have that loop length. not sure if thats clear. I have read the sync documentation but am still confused as to how to do this. When I had two edps it used to drive me nuts trying to get the echoplexs to do this I am hoping sooper looper will be more reliable. cheers geoff On 25 Oct 2005, at 08:55, a k butler wrote: > >> What are peoples feelings on hosting this software plug-in. > > Plogue Bidule > > www.plogue.com > > a very efficient host, > > with multiple syncing options. > > > ..and interestingly it can now function as vst/au within another host. > Wonder what happens if you get it to host itself ?? > > andy butler > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 25 14:19:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A80563BF33; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:19:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <435E3FE3.5070704@soundscapes.us> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:23:31 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for October 22, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:19:16 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2005/051022.html I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #75 October 22, 2005. During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== VA [Loren Nerell] Taksu Edition #4 Sampler (Groove) VA [Ulrich Schnauss] Monday - paracetamol Edition #4 Sampler (Groove) VA [Terje Winther] Essinc Edition #4 Sampler (Groove) Polaris Code: Voice Re:Transmission (none) Sunta Beat Jelenia Sky The Jelenia Gora Sessions (Ricochet Dream) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== David Nevue Winter Walk Overcome (none) The Side Project Intro 14 (Track 7) The Side Project Break It Down 14 (Track 7) VA [Govinda] Delicate Poison Chill Lounge (Intencity) Craig Einhorn Chorinho Choros (Unicorn) Twelve Girls Band Dunhuang Romantic Energy (Domo) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== Alamaailman Vasarat Kivitetty Saatana Kaarmelautakunta (Silence) Roine Stolt The Observer Wall Street Voodoo (InsideOut) ShadowPlay Pretzel Logic Live at Musikfest 1998 (Fox's Den) Pinnacle Always Somewhere Else Meld (Everything To Excess) * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show on November 5. On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Bill ========================================================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EDT (GMT-4:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm ========================================================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. 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To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ========================================================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 25 14:25:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73A043BF2C; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:25:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20051025102522.0djugubh7ooowsg0@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:25:22 -0400 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Maneco loopers MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server16.totalchoicehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:25:25 +0000 (UTC) Are Maneco Loopers gone? I was thinking of replacing my boomerang and wanted to buy one. ~peace~ Plish From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 25 14:28:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDD453BF33; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:28:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RvydF49/ZjKCEeY0kO47ZST0EcYxPhLIYm6eS9JlegHxaShuofbWuQqCqIKPCt8E7rYRNS/053YGq7rGSo2K5qPJ1Vrh00ubwCRZKXI+dGonfihrpKc1aCHHAtA6ScEJ1m++trHJGuwMYWvCjLbnfvwEO7bh5gwRtqL9hvtcbM8= Message-ID: <353e2ed80510250728h4533b95dg@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:28:20 +0100 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Maneco loopers In-Reply-To: <20051025102522.0djugubh7ooowsg0@www.michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051025102522.0djugubh7ooowsg0@www.michaelplishka.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5jViXD.A.qyB.FEkXDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:28:21 +0000 (UTC) On 25/10/05, mike@michaelplishka.com wrote: > Are Maneco Loopers gone? I was thinking of replacing my boomerang and wa= nted to > buy one. The website's still live http://manecolooper.tripod.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 25 14:28:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1752D3BF3A; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:28:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <765ee21c77667f6dd0fddb051876e4db@bluecocoa.co.uk> References: <20051025025619.6F1163BF22@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051025084600.02dd22c0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <765ee21c77667f6dd0fddb051876e4db@bluecocoa.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2E111AA2-87D9-49CC-9807-05BBEC03766D@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: can u run multiple sooper loopers? Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:28:24 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:28:28 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 25, 2005, at 15:45, geoff smith wrote: > Thanks guys just one more question. > All I will ever want is to have 3 sooper loopers > That record to the same loop length. > i.e. I hit record on one sooper looper > then when I record on sooper looper 2 and 3 > they always default to the same loop length, > > I don't want any other parameters quantised at all just the loop > length of each sooper looper to be the same, > but I would like to do this by setting this with the first sooper > looper in realtime i.e. start playing hit record hit record again > and hey presto all my looping in any super looper will now have > that loop length. > not sure if thats clear. > I have read the sync documentation but am still confused as to how > to do this. > When I had two edps it used to drive me nuts trying to get the > echoplexs to do this I am hoping sooper looper will be more reliable. In your last post you were talking about multiple instances of SL, but now when reading details on what you want to do I'm asking if it wouldn't be better to use one instance of SL but with three loops? Then they will all sync according to your settings at the top row loop (SL GUI). Also, you can fetch each loop to a dedicated output channel in the host application. Regarding Plogue Bidule, is it really ready for prime time on Mac? I had a blast with Bidule in Windows XP but somehow I got the impression that the Mac OS X version is not as developed yet. I'm not completely sure about this though, since I have not had an XP machine for two years (will get access to one next week, hopefully). Thinking a bit more about your detailed description above, it just hit me that you can actually do that with the SL standalone version. That is, if you don't want to run a bunch of tempo synced effect plug- ins as well? Your wish to run SL as an AU plug-in in a host application and start out a session with the "first-loop setting global loop length" trick puts you in a kind of Catch-22 situation. Obviously SL has to be the sync master, but it can not send a sync pulse to the host. So you have to do it the other way by letting the host be the master. Now, for the "first-loop" fluent way of starting out a looping performance you will need to assign a button to the host's tap tempo function and tap the same tempo that you will start looping in. I have tried that but bound it difficult. The easiest solution IMHO would be to not use a hust, i.e. run SL as standalone. When I tried that I found that the timing is never recorded exactly as I play it for the first loop round. All following overdubs are fine though, but the first loop is always sucking. Probably because of the latency involved in triggering with the midi pedal (wink to Kim ;-). When you play to an already existing loop you play to what you hear, no matter the latency involved, but the very first loop is critical. I have not found a way to do that in software, only with my EDP. With software I do all kind of workarounds, like recording something non-rhythmical as the first loop and use some beat synced plug-in filter to hear the beat and start playing. Or I can use my FX processor/pre-amp (FireworX) as the MIDI clock master, which means any beat synced patch I play through will give a tempo guidance good enough. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 25 14:33:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 759653BF40; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:33:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20051025103308.sm1ac1c3y61s0s08@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 10:33:08 -0400 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Maneco loopers References: <20051025102522.0djugubh7ooowsg0@www.michaelplishka.com> <353e2ed80510250728h4533b95dg@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80510250728h4533b95dg@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server16.totalchoicehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:33:10 +0000 (UTC) By jove it is! I tried the link straight from the Looper's Delight main page and it didn't work (I believe it was http://manecolooper.tripod.com/maneco/) Thanks David! ~peace~ Plish Quoting David Morton : > On 25/10/05, mike@michaelplishka.com wrote: >> Are Maneco Loopers gone? I was thinking of replacing my boomerang >> and wanted to >> buy one. > > The website's still live http://manecolooper.tripod.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 25 14:57:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABB9E3BF11; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:57:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000a01c5d974$77807c30$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <20051025025619.6F1163BF22@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051025084600.02dd22c0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <765ee21c77667f6dd0fddb051876e4db@bluecocoa.co.uk> Subject: Re: can u run multiple sooper loopers? Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:57:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: <2Vx2qD.A.pqC.pfkXDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:57:45 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "geoff smith" snip > When I had two edps it used to drive me nuts trying to get the echoplexs > to do this I am hoping sooper looper will be more reliable. > cheers > geoff > You really didnt try enough because it works fine and reliable for hundreds of edp pair users Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 25 15:47:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D08233BF1D; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:47:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3rXpRNNxqUWkzCqPdsXuRXSXO5tJXZq0OqOuyLDWcXtGUJRSThfjpUzMTSVI+izmDoXA3bJ/5EyjXhOQcvNy27mQLky0VwwdEUyAOTATSVyx4SQ31UHV1lAhaa3o9tC26foEvvxDQzeyOd92RNIr6x5f7I/vxoM6bdV28WIcRjs= ; Message-ID: <20051025154750.39488.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:47:49 -0700 (PDT) From: scott sikon Subject: Re: Maneco loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80510250728h4533b95dg@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:47:52 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I've never heard of the menecolooper before. I have a boomerang and I'm interested to know how they compare. Has any body played both and have some thoughts on the issue? Thanks, Scott --- David Morton wrote: > On 25/10/05, mike@michaelplishka.com > wrote: > > Are Maneco Loopers gone? I was thinking of > replacing my boomerang and wanted to > > buy one. > > The website's still live > http://manecolooper.tripod.com/ > > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 25 15:59:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D08453BF20; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:59:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00c001c5d97d$2e5a5ae0$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <353e2ed80510250728h4533b95dg@mail.gmail.com> Subject: OT: Opcode Studio 64X manual Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:46:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:59:57 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, I picked up an Opcode Studio 64x cheap and there were no manuals. Would anybody on the list who has one be willing to scan theirs for me. I'd be happy to pay for the effort. I see that there's one on Manual Manor, but I thought I'd ask here first. Thanks, Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 25 16:15:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C344C3BF2C; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:15:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:14:54 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: can u run multiple sooper loopers? In-reply-to: <2E111AA2-87D9-49CC-9807-05BBEC03766D@boysen.se> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <435E59FE.5030500@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20051025025619.6F1163BF22@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051025084600.02dd22c0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <765ee21c77667f6dd0fddb051876e4db@bluecocoa.co.uk> <2E111AA2-87D9-49CC-9807-05BBEC03766D@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: <4dEx7.A.1tE.FolXDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:15:01 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > When I tried that I found that the > timing is never recorded exactly as I play it for the first loop round. > All following overdubs are fine though, but the first loop is always > sucking. Probably because of the latency involved in triggering with > the midi pedal I'm going to hazard a guess that this is due to the lack of audio input latency compensation. A common error with MIDI controlled recording software is to begin and end recording *immediately* after the MIDI event is received. This sounds correct, you want to handle that event as quickly as possible to avoid "midi latency" right? But actually you don't. The problem is that at any moment in time, the recording software is receiving samples that were captured a short time in the past, not what the musician is playing at that moment. This is due to the buffering inherent in all computer audio interfaces. For a typical ASIO block size of 256, this works out to a delay of about 5.8 milliseconds. So you must actually not begin recording until 5.8 milliseconds *after* the receipt of the MIDI event. If you begin recording immediately the loop will include 5.8 milliseconds of whatever "warmup" noise the musician was playing prior to pressing the MIDI switch, similarly, if you end the recording immediately it will truncate the last 5.8 milliseconds of what the musician thought would be included in the loop. Now, MIDI latency certainly is a concern and some people are able to detect it. I experience on average 1ms of delay for each "thru" device between the pedal and the computer, and then another millisecond to get it from the interface hardware into the interrupt handler of the application. So if you're careful around 2ms. Now it may take longer to get around to processing this after it reaaches the interrupt handler, but once "inside the computer" you can timestamp it with millisecond accuracy and compensate for it later. What is interesting is that audio input latency is working to our advantage here. We always have to delay the processing of a MIDI event, and that MIDI event may itself have been delayed. But the audio latency is almost always larger than MIDI latency, so you can compensate for it with: processing delay = audio latency - midi latency Which in the above example with 5.8ms audio latency and 3ms midi latency, we delay 2.8ms after receiving a MIDI event to begin/end recording. The exact amount of audio latency is easy to measure, MIDI latency is somewhat harder but the software can give you a "knob" to let you tune it until it sounds right. So, I believe there is no reason why properly written software cannot compensate for MIDI latency during *recording*. Triggering of loops for playback is a completely different problem and I won't bore everyone with the details (unless I'm asked :-). Then there is the ever popular "jitter". A MIDI event will not always take exactly 3ms to get to the application, sometimes it may take 2, sometimes 3.5 though rarely more than a 2ms variance unless you're doing something stupid like defragmenting your hard disk or running a weather simulator while you record. I'm sure there are people that can detect this. I sure can't. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 25 17:33:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 014A13BF1E; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:33:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <2E111AA2-87D9-49CC-9807-05BBEC03766D@boysen.se> References: <20051025025619.6F1163BF22@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051025084600.02dd22c0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <765ee21c77667f6dd0fddb051876e4db@bluecocoa.co.uk> <2E111AA2-87D9-49CC-9807-05BBEC03766D@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: geoff smith Subject: Re: can u run multiple sooper loopers? Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:32:32 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:31046aae14d26613101907701dd671f6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:33:21 +0000 (UTC) Okay getting to grips with things now. sooper looper is awesome now I am understanding it better anyone getting a horrible noise when using the variable play back speed? Is it possible to use multiple loops in the au version? as i can't seem to get this to work. I only get one loop no matter how many I choose? mmmm I really like super looper alot. Rax doesn't load up on my laptop at all so no joy there. cheers for help geoff On 25 Oct 2005, at 15:28, Per Boysen wrote: > On Oct 25, 2005, at 15:45, geoff smith wrote: > >> Thanks guys just one more question. >> All I will ever want is to have 3 sooper loopers >> That record to the same loop length. >> i.e. I hit record on one sooper looper >> then when I record on sooper looper 2 and 3 >> they always default to the same loop length, >> >> I don't want any other parameters quantised at all just the loop >> length of each sooper looper to be the same, >> but I would like to do this by setting this with the first sooper >> looper in realtime i.e. start playing hit record hit record again >> and hey presto all my looping in any super looper will now have that >> loop length. >> not sure if thats clear. >> I have read the sync documentation but am still confused as to how to >> do this. >> When I had two edps it used to drive me nuts trying to get the >> echoplexs to do this I am hoping sooper looper will be more reliable. > > > In your last post you were talking about multiple instances of SL, but > now when reading details on what you want to do I'm asking if it > wouldn't be better to use one instance of SL but with three loops? > Then they will all sync according to your settings at the top row loop > (SL GUI). Also, you can fetch each loop to a dedicated output channel > in the host application. > > Regarding Plogue Bidule, is it really ready for prime time on Mac? I > had a blast with Bidule in Windows XP but somehow I got the impression > that the Mac OS X version is not as developed yet. I'm not completely > sure about this though, since I have not had an XP machine for two > years (will get access to one next week, hopefully). > > Thinking a bit more about your detailed description above, it just hit > me that you can actually do that with the SL standalone version. That > is, if you don't want to run a bunch of tempo synced effect plug-ins > as well? Your wish to run SL as an AU plug-in in a host application > and start out a session with the "first-loop setting global loop > length" trick puts you in a kind of Catch-22 situation. Obviously SL > has to be the sync master, but it can not send a sync pulse to the > host. So you have to do it the other way by letting the host be the > master. Now, for the "first-loop" fluent way of starting out a looping > performance you will need to assign a button to the host's tap tempo > function and tap the same tempo that you will start looping in. I have > tried that but bound it difficult. The easiest solution IMHO would be > to not use a hust, i.e. run SL as standalone. When I tried that I > found that the timing is never recorded exactly as I play it for the > first loop round. All following overdubs are fine though, but the > first loop is always sucking. Probably because of the latency involved > in triggering with the midi pedal (wink to Kim ;-). When you play to > an already existing loop you play to what you hear, no matter the > latency involved, but the very first loop is critical. I have not > found a way to do that in software, only with my EDP. With software I > do all kind of workarounds, like recording something non-rhythmical as > the first loop and use some beat synced plug-in filter to hear the > beat and start playing. Or I can use my FX processor/pre-amp > (FireworX) as the MIDI clock master, which means any beat synced patch > I play through will give a tempo guidance good enough. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 25 17:50:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DBDF3BF37; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:50:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: <20051025025619.6F1163BF22@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051025084600.02dd22c0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <765ee21c77667f6dd0fddb051876e4db@bluecocoa.co.uk> <2E111AA2-87D9-49CC-9807-05BBEC03766D@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: can u run multiple sooper loopers? Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:49:54 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:50:01 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 25, 2005, at 19:32, geoff smith wrote: > Okay > getting to grips with things now. > sooper looper is awesome now I am understanding it better > anyone getting a horrible noise when using the variable play back > speed? > Is it possible to use multiple loops in the au version? as i can't > seem to get this to work. > I only get one loop no matter how many I choose? mmmm Depends on what you mean with "multiple loops". You can run as many parallel loops as your Mac can handle. But you can not jump between loops in the linear way that you do with an EDP; i.e. first one loop and then another loop. In this respect SooperLooper is kind of "Repeater"-like but with the option to also run multiple loops of different length at the same time. If you activate "Relative Sync" they will hook up according to the quantize value - lot's of poly rhythm fun to explore there ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 25 18:24:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E00DD3BF36; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:24:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <435E59FE.5030500@sun.com> References: <20051025025619.6F1163BF22@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051025084600.02dd22c0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <765ee21c77667f6dd0fddb051876e4db@bluecocoa.co.uk> <2E111AA2-87D9-49CC-9807-05BBEC03766D@boysen.se> <435E59FE.5030500@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <32B77379-8743-4229-AA3E-99E04BFD5DE9@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: can u run multiple sooper loopers? Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:24:52 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:24:57 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 25, 2005, at 18:14, Jeff Larson wrote: > So, I believe there is no reason why properly written software > cannot compensate > for MIDI latency during *recording*. Triggering of loops for > playback is a > completely different problem and I won't bore everyone with the > details > (unless I'm asked :-). > Thanks. Very interesting post, all of it! The OS X looping plug-in Musolomo has a smart way of compensating for the musicians bad timing when hitting the MIDI button that does trig recording (or other actions). Here are two scenarios and smart software implementation inspired by Musolomo: 1) The musician is a bit late to stomp the Record Button: The plug-in is constantly recording into a buffer and if recording is triggered closely after a quantize position the plug-in starts to record a bit late while adding from the buffer the audio thus missing from the beginning of the file. 2) The musician is a bit early: The common scheme; software waiting in the correct moment to fulfill the action. 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    ARCO / BEEP Electronic Art Awards








    First edition of the ARCO / BEEP
    Electronic Art Awards
    Sponsored by BEEP,
    in collaboration with ARCO


    Registration form will be available on the ARCO/BEEP Electronic Art Prize
    website, http://www.arco.beep.es

    Additional information:
    Jury’s Secretariat
    Vicente Matallana / LaAgencia
    Tel: (34) 91 366 8821
    E-mail: premiobeep@laagencia.org

    http://www.arco.ifema.es




    BEEP / Data Logic aims to create an electronic art collection, through
    awarding Acquisition Prizes. Therefore, it is organising the ARCO/BEEP
    Electronic Art Awards.

    The goal of these Awards is to advance the production and exhibition of
    electronic art, and art linked to new technologies. Its purpose is to
    promote new high-tech art, and to foster communication between the
    manufacturers/creators of this new technology and those who create art. A
    natural collaboration, which will benefit and enrich both sides.

    There are two ACQUISITION PRIZES:

    1) @ARCO Prize: worth 8,000 euros

    2) Off-ARCO Prize: worth 6,000 euros

    The Prizes will be awarded by an international Jury of prestigious
    specialists.


    1. ARCO / BEEP Acquisition Prizes

    Description

    1) @ARCO Prize
    To be eligible, an artwork must be shown at the 25th edition of ARCO, the
    International Contemporary Art Fair, in Madrid (9-13 February 2006), and
    must have a significant component involving new technology or electronic
    media.

    Before ARCO’06, these eligible artworks must also be previously submitted
    for consideration by their galleries, through registration on a webpage that
    shall be created to this effect.

    2) Off-ARCO Prize
    Artworks presented by individual artists, or collectives.

    The Prize-winning artworks shall become part of the BEEP/Data Logic
    corporate collection.

    The @ARCO Prize shall be endowed with 8,000 euros, and the Off-ARCO Prize
    with 6,000 euros—a total of 14,000 euros for the acquisition of the two
    artworks.

    - The Prizes shall be awarded according to the Jury’s decision.
    - The Jury shall determine the winner in each of the two categories.
    - Registration opens: 5 p.m. Madrid time (GMT+1 hour), 28th October 2005.
    - Registration deadline: 5 p.m. Madrid time (GMT+1 hour), 16th January 2006.
    - Prize money: 14,000 euros for the acquisition of the two artworks.
    - Announcement of winning artworks: 11th February 2006.

    Should any of the money earmarked for acquisition remain unspent, the Jury
    may decide whether to devote this amount to a future edition of the Awards
    or to acquiring a third artwork selected from amongst nominees for the
    present edition; in this case, the artwork would be considered to have been
    awarded an Honourable Mention.

    2. Participation Rules

    • Any artwork may participate—as long as it is presented by a gallery
    exhibiting at ARCO’06 (@ARCO Prize) or by individual artists, or collectives
    (Off-ARCO Prize)—that involves significant use of new technology, or
    electronic media.
    • The artworks must have been previously registered on the webpage that
    shall be created to this effect.
    • The eligible artworks must be exhibited with a price tag.
    • Acceptance of artworks shall be the responsibility of the Jury, whose
    decision shall be final.
    • Acceptance of a Prize involves ceding ownership of the prize-winning
    artwork to the company BEEP/Data Logic.
    • The Jury’s decision shall be final.

    3. Registration

    3.1. Registration Dates

    The 2006 awards shall first be announced in May 2005.

    Registration opens: 5 p.m. Madrid time (GMT+1 hour), 28th October 2005.
    Registration deadline: 5 p.m. Madrid time (GMT+1 hour), 16th January 2006.

    3.2. Registration Form

    - Registrations shall only be accepted through the Form to be made available
    on the ARCO/BEEP Electronic Art Prize website, http://www.arco.beep.es
    - The registration deadline shall be 5 p.m. Madrid time (GMT+1 hour), 16th
    January 2006.

    The Registration Form must include the following information:

    - Artwork title
    - Information on the gallery and the artist or collective
    - Brief description of the artwork (max. 50 words)
    - Sales price, including taxes
    - URL where further information is available
    - No registrations shall be accepted via e-mail, surface mail, or other
    means
    - Registrations shall be in Spanish or English. No artwork failing to meet
    this requisite shall be considered for the awards. We recommend submitting
    bilingual Spanish/English versions, and participants should double-check the
    translation

    3.3. Expanded Proposals

    - Participants may expand the information included on their Registration
    Forms by putting it on their own website, providing the URL on their
    Registration Forms. Recommendations for Internet presentation of this
    expanded information are as follows:
    - Project Description (max. 500 words), explaining the central concepts and
    technological resources used.
    - Images of the artwork.
    - Résumé of the artist. In the case of collectives, a group résumé may be
    included, or individual résumés for each member.
    - In preparing these webpages, please bear in mind that the Jury’s time is
    limited. Therefore, maximum clarity and concision in web design are strongly
    advised.
    - Those contestants who put up a website for their project shall be
    responsible for its design and hosting costs.

    4. Jury

    - All candidacies shall be examined by an international Jury, including:

    1. Fernando Castro Flórez, Professor and Art Critic, Madrid (Spain)
    2. Karin Ohlenschläger, Artistic Director, MediaLabMadrid (Spain)
    3. Christiane Paul, Associate Curator for New Media Art, Whitney Museum of
    American Art, New York (USA)
    4. Arnau Puig, Philosopher and Art Critic, Barcelona (Spain)
    5. Jemima Rellie, Head of New Programmes, Tate, London (UK)
    6. Yukiko Shikata, Independent Curator and Critic, Tokyo (Japan)
    7. Mark Tribe, Assistant Professor of Modern Culture and Media, Brown
    University, Providence (USA)
    - The Jury’s Honorary Chairwoman shall be Marie-France Veyrat, representing
    BEEP/Data Logic.
    - The Jury’s Secretary shall be Vicente Matallana, Director of LaAgencia,
    Madrid.
    - The Jury shall meet during ARCO‘06.
    - The Jury’s decision shall be final.

    5. Decision
    - The Prize-winners shall be announced at the ARCO International
    Contemporary Art Fair, on Saturday 11th February 2006.
    - The Jury shall meet on 10th February 2006 at the ARCO-IFEMA offices.
    - The winners shall be announced at 1 p.m. on 11th February 2006 at the
    central space of theblackbox@arco section.

    6. Winners
    • Winners shall be contacted by the Awards organisers before they are
    announced.
    • Acceptance of a Prize involves ceding ownership of the Prize-winning
    artwork to the company BEEP/Data Logic.
    • The company BEEP/Data Logic shall pay the Prize money within 30 days after
    the Jury’s decision is announced.
    • The Prize shall be given to the winner, or to his or her appointed legal
    representative.

    7. Information and Questions

    For any additional information, or to ask any questions about the ARCO/BEEP
    Electronic Art Awards, contact:

    Jury’s Secretariat
    Vicente Matallana / LaAgencia
    Tel: (34) 91 366 8821
    E-mail: premiobeep@laagencia.org

    BEEP / Data Logic
    Carmen Alcubilla
    Tel: (34) 977 30 9100
    E-mail: c-alcubilla@datalogic.com

    ARCO
    Ana Botella Diez del Corral
    Tel: (34) 91 722 5350
    E-mail: arcobeep@ifema.es

    Registration for the ARCO/BEEP Electronic Art Awards implies acceptance of
    the present rules.


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    Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --0-1839625143-1130266920=:78265-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 25 19:07:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9F943BF47; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:07:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051025084600.02dd22c0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> References: <20051025025619.6F1163BF22@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051025084600.02dd22c0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: geoff smith Subject: Re: can u run multiple sooper loopers? Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:07:14 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:31046aae14d26613101907701dd671f6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:07:16 +0000 (UTC) I have been messing around with this tonight it is indeed wonderfull geoff On 25 Oct 2005, at 08:55, a k butler wrote: > >> What are peoples feelings on hosting this software plug-in. > > Plogue Bidule > > www.plogue.com > > a very efficient host, > > with multiple syncing options. > > > ..and interestingly it can now function as vst/au within another host. > Wonder what happens if you get it to host itself ?? > > andy butler > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 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looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=N4iVyf65BdLi2pNxMiI44BOA186Mvnv49AeqEhKpfFmxg4g8MwFCSZL+ee/0BK7NiTQbC0HEObpRIe5RsOZ8TA2OhBl+D5F1Ee2LQ7WWPFPPnicSLk+g4hegQtlIRrUOfwNI896hrzW+Lx5RAQ9/gOMMUQHL1cjwFg+lzgSnDwM= ; Message-ID: <20051025192447.88985.qmail@web32506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:24:46 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: arco/beep To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-30966107-1130268286=:88159" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <1eS4tB.A.KsB.BaoXDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:24:49 +0000 (UTC) --0-30966107-1130268286=:88159 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit oh sheez...how did that go your way?sorry mang...hehahahaheah bulk anger today!!! have a nice day *<{,':-}) Travis Hartnett wrote: Well, that's a new spelling of "unsubcribe" if I ever saw one... On 10/25/05, daniel stevenson wrote: > fuck you asshole bitch sodomite fuckwadd!!! > > samba - wrote: > 10/21/05 > > > ARCO / BEEP Electronic Art Awards > > > > > > > > > First edition of the ARCO / BEEP > Electronic Art Awards > Sponsored by BEEP, > in collaboration with ARCO > > > Registration form will be available on the ARCO/BEEP Electronic Art Prize > website, http://www.arco.beep.es > > Additional information: > Jury's Secretariat > Vicente Matallana / LaAgencia > Tel: (34) 91 366 8821 > E-mail: premiobeep@laagencia.org > > http://www.arco.ifema.es > > > > > BEEP / Data Logic aims to create an electronic art collection, through > awarding Acquisition Prizes. Therefore, it is organising the ARCO/BEEP > Electronic Art Awards. > > The goal of these Awards is to advance the production and exhibition of > electronic art, and art linked to new technologies. Its purpose is to > promote new high-tech art, and to foster communication between the > manufacturers/creators of this new technology and those who create art. A > natural collaboration, which will benefit and enrich both sides. > > There are two ACQUISITION PRIZES: > > 1) @ARCO Prize: worth 8,000 euros > > 2) Off-ARCO Prize: worth 6,000 euros > > The Prizes will be awarded by an international Jury of prestigious > specialists. > > > 1. ARCO / BEEP Acquisition Prizes > > Description > > 1) @ARCO Prize > To be eligible, an artwork must be shown at the 25th edition of ARCO, the > International Contemporary Art Fair, in Madrid (9-13 February 2006), and > must have a significant component involving new technology or electronic > media. > > Before ARCO'06, these eligible artworks must also be previously submitted > for consideration by their galleries, through registration on a webpage that > shall be created to this effect. > > 2) Off-ARCO Prize > Artworks presented by individual artists, or collectives. > > The Prize-winning artworks shall become part of the BEEP/Data Logic > corporate collection. > > The @ARCO Prize shall be endowed with 8,000 euros, and the Off-ARCO Prize > with 6,000 euros—a total of 14,000 euros for the acquisition of the two > artworks. > > - The Prizes shall be awarded according to the Jury's decision. > - The Jury shall determine the winner in each of the two categories. > - Registration opens: 5 p.m. Madrid time (GMT+1 hour), 28th October 2005. > - Registration deadline: 5 p.m. Madrid time (GMT+1 hour), 16th January 2006. > - Prize money: 14,000 euros for the acquisition of the two artworks. > - Announcement of winning artworks: 11th February 2006. > > Should any of the money earmarked for acquisition remain unspent, the Jury > may decide whether to devote this amount to a future edition of the Awards > or to acquiring a third artwork selected from amongst nominees for the > present edition; in this case, the artwork would be considered to have been > awarded an Honourable Mention. > > 2. Participation Rules > > • Any artwork may participate—as long as it is presented by a gallery > exhibiting at ARCO'06 (@ARCO Prize) or by individual artists, or collectives > (Off-ARCO Prize)—that involves significant use of new technology, or > electronic media. > • The artworks must have been previously registered on the webpage that > shall be created to this effect. > • The eligible artworks must be exhibited with a price tag. > • Acceptance of artworks shall be the responsibility of the Jury, whose > decision shall be final. > • Acceptance of a Prize involves ceding ownership of the prize-winning > artwork to the company BEEP/Data Logic. > • The Jury's decision shall be final. > > 3. Registration > > 3.1. Registration Dates > > The 2006 awards shall first be announced in May 2005. > > Registration opens: 5 p.m. Madrid time (GMT+1 hour), 28th October 2005. > Registration deadline: 5 p.m. Madrid time (GMT+1 hour), 16th January 2006. > > 3.2. Registration Form > > - Registrations shall only be accepted through the Form to be made available > on the ARCO/BEEP Electronic Art Prize website, http://www.arco.beep.es > - The registration deadline shall be 5 p.m. Madrid time (GMT+1 hour), 16th > January 2006. > > The Registration Form must include the following information: > > - Artwork title > - Information on the gallery and the artist or collective > - Brief description of the artwork (max. 50 words) > - Sales price, including taxes > - URL where further information is available > - No registrations shall be accepted via e-mail, surface mail, or other > means > - Registrations shall be in Spanish or English. No artwork failing to meet > this requisite shall be considered for the awards. We recommend submitting > bilingual Spanish/English versions, and participants should double-check the > translation > > 3.3. Expanded Proposals > > - Participants may expand the information included on their Registration > Forms by putting it on their own website, providing the URL on their > Registration Forms. Recommendations for Internet presentation of this > expanded information are as follows: > - Project Description (max. 500 words), explaining the central concepts and > technological resources used. > - Images of the artwork. > - Résumé of the artist. In the case of collectives, a group résumé may be > included, or individual résumés for each member. > - In preparing these webpages, please bear in mind that the Jury's time is > limited. Therefore, maximum clarity and concision in web design are strongly > advised. > - Those contestants who put up a website for their project shall be > responsible for its design and hosting costs. > > 4. Jury > > - All candidacies shall be examined by an international Jury, including: > > 1. Fernando Castro Flórez, Professor and Art Critic, Madrid (Spain) > 2. Karin Ohlenschläger, Artistic Director, MediaLabMadrid (Spain) > 3. Christiane Paul, Associate Curator for New Media Art, Whitney Museum of > American Art, New York (USA) > 4. Arnau Puig, Philosopher and Art Critic, Barcelona (Spain) > 5. Jemima Rellie, Head of New Programmes, Tate, London (UK) > 6. Yukiko Shikata, Independent Curator and Critic, Tokyo (Japan) > 7. Mark Tribe, Assistant Professor of Modern Culture and Media, Brown > University, Providence (USA) > - The Jury's Honorary Chairwoman shall be Marie-France Veyrat, representing > BEEP/Data Logic. > - The Jury's Secretary shall be Vicente Matallana, Director of LaAgencia, > Madrid. > - The Jury shall meet during ARCO'06. > - The Jury's decision shall be final. > > 5. Decision > - The Prize-winners shall be announced at the ARCO International > Contemporary Art Fair, on Saturday 11th February 2006. > - The Jury shall meet on 10th February 2006 at the ARCO-IFEMA offices. > - The winners shall be announced at 1 p.m. on 11th February 2006 at the > central space of theblackbox@arco section. > > 6. Winners > • Winners shall be contacted by the Awards organisers before they are > announced. > • Acceptance of a Prize involves ceding ownership of the Prize-winning > artwork to the company BEEP/Data Logic. > • The company BEEP/Data Logic shall pay the Prize money within 30 days after > the Jury's decision is announced. > • The Prize shall be given to the winner, or to his or her appointed legal > representative. > > 7. Information and Questions > > For any additional information, or to ask any questions about the ARCO/BEEP > Electronic Art Awards, contact: > > Jury's Secretariat > Vicente Matallana / LaAgencia > Tel: (34) 91 366 8821 > E-mail: premiobeep@laagencia.org > > BEEP / Data Logic > Carmen Alcubilla > Tel: (34) 977 30 9100 > E-mail: c-alcubilla@datalogic.com > > ARCO > Ana Botella Diez del Corral > Tel: (34) 91 722 5350 > E-mail: arcobeep@ifema.es > > Registration for the ARCO/BEEP Electronic Art Awards implies acceptance of > the present rules. > > > email to a friend contact subscribe > electronic flux corporation / www.e-flux.com > 295 greenwich street #532, nyc ny 10007 > > to unsubscribe click / here > > > > > ________________________________ > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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    Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
    Well, that's a new spelling of "unsubcribe" if I ever saw one...

    On 10/25/05, daniel stevenson wrote:
    > fuck you asshole bitch sodomite fuckwadd!!!
    >
    > samba - wrote:
    > 10/21/05
    >
    >
    > ARCO / BEEP Electronic Art Awards
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > First edition of the ARCO / BEEP
    > Electronic Art Awards
    > Sponsored by BEEP,
    > in collaboration with ARCO
    >
    >
    > Registration form will be available on the ARCO/BEEP Electronic Art Prize
    > website, http://www.arco.beep.es
    >
    > Additional information:
    > Jury's Secretariat
    > Vicente Matallana / LaAgencia
    > Tel: (34) 91 366 8821
    > E-mail: premiobeep@laagencia.org
    >
    > http://www.arco.ifema.es
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > BEEP / Data Logic aims to create an electronic art collection, through
    > awarding Acquisition Prizes. Therefore, it is organising the ARCO/BEEP
    > Electronic Art Awards.
    >
    > The goal of these Awards is to advance the production and exhibition of
    > electronic art, and art linked to new technologies. Its purpose is to
    > promote new high-tech art, and to foster communication between the
    > manufacturers/creators of this new technology and those who create art. A
    > natural collaboration, which will benefit and enrich both sides.
    >
    > There are two ACQUISITION PRIZES:
    >
    > 1) @ARCO Prize: worth 8,000 euros
    >
    > 2) Off-ARCO Prize: worth 6,000 euros
    >
    > The Prizes will be awarded by an international Jury of prestigious
    > specialists.
    >
    >
    > 1. ARCO / BEEP Acquisition Prizes
    >
    > Description
    >
    > 1) @ARCO Prize
    > To be eligible, an artwork must be shown at the 25th edition of ARCO, the
    > International Contemporary Art Fair, in Madrid (9-13 February 2006), and
    > must have a significant component involving new technology or electronic
    > media.
    >
    > Before ARCO'06, these eligible artworks must also be previously submitted
    > for consideration by their galleries, through registration on a webpage that
    > shall be created to this effect.
    >
    > 2) Off-ARCO Prize
    > Artworks presented by individual artists, or collectives.
    >
    > The Prize-winning artworks shall become part of the BEEP/Data Logic
    > corporate collection.
    >
    > The @ARCO Prize shall be endowed with 8,000 euros, and the Off-ARCO Prize
    > with 6,000 euros—a total of 14,000 euros for the acquisition of the two
    > artworks.
    >
    > - The Prizes shall be awarded according to the Jury's decision.
    > - The Jury shall determine the winner in each of the two categories.
    > - Registration opens: 5 p.m. Madrid time (GMT+1 hour), 28th October 2005.
    > - Registration deadline: 5 p.m. Madrid time (GMT+1 hour), 16th January 2006.
    > - Prize money: 14,000 euros for the acquisition of the two artworks.
    > - Announcement of winning artworks: 11th February 2006.
    >
    > Should any of the money earmarked for acquisition remain unspent, the Jury
    > may decide whether to devote this amount to a future edition of the Awards
    > or to acquiring a third artwork selected from amongst nominees for the
    > present edition; in this case, the artwork would be considered to have been
    > awarded an Honourable Mention.
    >
    > 2. Participation Rules
    >
    > • Any artwork may participate—as long as it is presented by a gallery
    > exhibiting at ARCO'06 (@ARCO Prize) or by individual artists, or collectives
    > (Off-ARCO Prize)—that involves significant use of new technology, or
    > electronic media.
    > • The artworks must have been previously registered on the webpage that
    > shall be created to this effect.
    > • The eligible artworks must be exhibited with a price tag.
    > • Acceptance of artworks shall be the responsibility of the Jury, whose
    > decision shall be final.
    > • Acceptance of a Prize involves ceding ownership of the prize-winning
    > artwork to the company BEEP/Data Logic.
    > • The Jury's decision shall be final.
    >
    > 3. Registration
    >
    > 3.1. Registration Dates
    >
    > The 2006 awards shall first be announced in May 2005.
    >
    > Registration opens: 5 p.m. Madrid time (GMT+1 hour), 28th October 2005.
    > Registration deadline: 5 p.m. Madrid time (GMT+1 hour), 16th January 2006.
    >
    > 3.2. Registration Form
    >
    > - Registrations shall only be accepted through the Form to be made available
    > on the ARCO/BEEP Electronic Art Prize website, http://www.arco.beep.es
    > - The registration deadline shall be 5 p.m. Madrid time (GMT+1 hour), 16th
    > January 2006.
    >
    > The Registration Form must include the following information:
    >
    > - Artwork title
    > - Information on the gallery and the artist or collective
    > - Brief description of the artwork (max. 50 words)
    > - Sales price, including taxes
    > - URL where further information is available
    > - No registrations shall be accepted via e-mail, surface mail, or other
    > means
    > - Registrations shall be in Spanish or English. No artwork failing to meet
    > this requisite shall be considered for the awards. We recommend submitting
    > bilingual Spanish/English versions, and participants should double-check the
    > translation
    >
    > 3.3. Expanded Proposals
    >
    > - Participants may expand the information included on their Registration
    > Forms by putting it on their own website, providing the URL on their
    > Registration Forms. Recommendations for Internet presentation of this
    > expanded information are as follows:
    > - Project Description (max. 500 words), explaining the central concepts and
    > technological resources used.
    > - Images of the artwork.
    > - Résumé of the artist. In the case of collectives, a group résumé may be
    > included, or individual résumés for each member.
    > - In preparing these webpages, please bear in mind that the Jury's time is
    > limited. Therefore, maximum clarity and concision in web design are strongly
    > advised.
    > - Those contestants who put up a website for their project shall be
    > responsible for its design and hosting costs.
    >
    > 4. Jury
    >
    > - All candidacies shall be examined by an international Jury, including:
    >
    > 1. Fernando Castro Flórez, Professor and Art Critic, Madrid (Spain)
    > 2. Karin Ohlenschläger, Artistic Director, MediaLabMadrid (Spain)
    > 3. Christiane Paul, Associate Curator for New Media Art, Whitney Museum of
    > American Art, New York (USA)
    > 4. Arnau Puig, Philosopher and Art Critic, Barcelona (Spain)
    > 5. Jemima Rellie, Head of New Programmes, Tate, London (UK)
    > 6. Yukiko Shikata, Independent Curator and Critic, Tokyo (Japan)
    > 7. Mark Tribe, Assistant Professor of Modern Culture and Media, Brown
    > University, Providence (USA)
    > - The Jury's Honorary Chairwoman shall be Marie-France Veyrat, representing
    > BEEP/Data Logic.
    > - The Jury's Secretary shall be Vicente Matallana, Director of LaAgencia,
    > Madrid.
    > - The Jury shall meet during ARCO'06.
    > - The Jury's decision shall be final.
    >
    > 5. Decision
    > - The Prize-winners shall be announced at the ARCO International
    > Contemporary Art Fair, on Saturday 11th February 2006.
    > - The Jury shall meet on 10th February 2006 at the ARCO-IFEMA offices.
    > - The winners shall be announced at 1 p.m. on 11th February 2006 at the
    > central space of theblackbox@arco section.
    >
    > 6. Winners
    > • Winners shall be contacted by the Awards organisers before they are
    > announced.
    > • Acceptance of a Prize involves ceding ownership of the Prize-winning
    > artwork to the company BEEP/Data Logic.
    > • The company BEEP/Data Logic shall pay the Prize money within 30 days after
    > the Jury's decision is announced.
    > • The Prize shall be given to the winner, or to his or her appointed legal
    > representative.
    >
    > 7. Information and Questions
    >
    > For any additional information, or to ask any questions about the ARCO/BEEP
    > Electronic Art Awards, contact:
    >
    > Jury's Secretariat
    > Vicente Matallana / LaAgencia
    > Tel: (34) 91 366 8821
    > E-mail: premiobeep@laagencia.org
    >
    > BEEP / Data Logic
    > Carmen Alcubilla
    > Tel: (34) 977 30 9100
    > E-mail: c-alcubilla@datalogic.com
    >
    > ARCO
    > Ana Botella Diez del Corral
    > Tel: (34) 91 722 5350
    > E-mail: arcobeep@ifema.es
    >
    > Registration for the ARCO/BEEP Electronic Art Awards implies acceptance of
    > the present rules.
    >
    >
    > email to a friend contact subscribe
    > electronic flux corporation / www.e-flux.com
    > 295 greenwich street #532, nyc ny 10007
    >
    > to unsubscribe click / here
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > ________________________________
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    Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --0-30966107-1130268286=:88159-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 25 20:05:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D39DC3BF3C; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:05:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: <20051025025619.6F1163BF22@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051025084600.02dd22c0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <765ee21c77667f6dd0fddb051876e4db@bluecocoa.co.uk> <2E111AA2-87D9-49CC-9807-05BBEC03766D@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: geoff smith Subject: Re: can u run multiple sooper loopers? Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:05:23 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:31046aae14d26613101907701dd671f6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:05:31 +0000 (UTC) How do you run parallel loops in the au version? I have set the number of loops to 4 but I only see one sooper looper as opposed to four? Now I am confused > You can run as many parallel loops as your Mac can handle. is that just in the stand alone version? geoff On 25 Oct 2005, at 18:49, Per Boysen wrote: > On Oct 25, 2005, at 19:32, geoff smith wrote: > >> Okay >> getting to grips with things now. >> sooper looper is awesome now I am understanding it better >> anyone getting a horrible noise when using the variable play back >> speed? >> Is it possible to use multiple loops in the au version? as i can't >> seem to get this to work. >> I only get one loop no matter how many I choose? mmmm > > Depends on what you mean with "multiple loops". You can run as many > parallel loops as your Mac can handle. But you can not jump between > loops in the linear way that you do with an EDP; i.e. first one loop > and then another loop. In this respect SooperLooper is kind of > "Repeater"-like but with the option to also run multiple loops of > different length at the same time. If you activate "Relative Sync" > they will hook up according to the quantize value - lot's of poly > rhythm fun to explore there ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 25 20:34:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CACF3BF4B; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:34:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: <20051025025619.6F1163BF22@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051025084600.02dd22c0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <765ee21c77667f6dd0fddb051876e4db@bluecocoa.co.uk> <2E111AA2-87D9-49CC-9807-05BBEC03766D@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: can u run multiple sooper loopers? Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:34:42 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:34:46 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 25, 2005, at 22:05, geoff smith wrote: > How do you run parallel loops in the au version? > I have set the number of loops to 4 Open thee more and you will have four ;-) Press cmnd-1 to open another one. Press cmnd-d to delete the last loop. >> You can run as many parallel loops as your Mac can handle. >> > is that just in the stand alone version? No, it's the AU version. I don't know much about the stand alone version since I mostly use the AU. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 25 21:11:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15FDA3BF56; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:11:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.34) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 25 Oct 2005 21:11:43 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:11:42 -0500 Subject: New Phil Zurrigo w/ Lumper/Splitter mp3s X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20051025211142.A1C21C612E@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:11:47 +0000 (UTC) Hi there- Lucio and I (lumper/splitter) met Phil Zurrigo at the Y2K5 LoopFest and end= ed up at my studio a few days later where we played til 4 am. We had to=20 twist Lucio's arm, as he was leaving for Europe the next day and had to pac= k and run last minute errands with no sleep. We recorded most of it, and= =20 I have just mixed a 38 minute piece of music from a couple different segmen= ts of our exploration. Mostly, it is the three of us playing guitar and=20 looping, although I switch to hammond organ for a while and we all get into= some found object moments. The piece is largely from one unedited=20 section of improvisation, although I tacked an intro on from a different se= gment (the opening "bell" tones) and an ending piece. Anyway, if anyone=20 is interested in hearing any or all of it, it can be found (divided into pa= rts 1 and 2) at the bottom of the "Free Sound Thingies" page of my website. http://www.joerut.com Cheers Joe PS: I also recorded a duet with Bernhard Wagner the following day, but hav= e yet to have time to mix it. I'll post it soon. --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 25 23:01:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70A3B3BF43; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:01:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00a901c5d9b8$03189640$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: "paul" , References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051017013533.01f0a048@mail.wightman.ca> <018001c5d32a$be8bfe60$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20051025102201.01fac1c8@mail.wightman.ca> Subject: Re: using laptops for music Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:01:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 362, in=163201, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:01:40 +0000 (UTC) Hi Paul - [I am copying the group on this, for any other folks interested in going PC notebook....I find this topic very fascinating, yet very complicated] Absolutely, you don't want to cut corners on your processor type and RAM, if you plan to build a laptop system for looping with Mobius and any degree of robust VST effects, hosts, etc. Check this out, because you might find it quite surprising: Part I: I have a personal laptop, which is a consumer model Compaq Presario 2525US, which has 500MB of RAM and an Intel Pentium 4 2.GHz processor. This is a desktop processor, by the way...any laptop that is really thick, heavy, and has a noisy fan is using a desktop rather than a mobile processor. The old reasoning behind this is that a notebook with a desktop processor was more stable and efficient...this is now a myth. Size doesn't matter any more in light of newer notebooks when it comes to performance because mobile technology in processors has made leaps and bounds in terms of performance for the consumer and commercial markets. Part II: I also have a work laptop, a commercial notebook HP/Compaq NC6000 that has an older Intel Pentium M (for "Mobile") processor that is only 1.6ghz and with 500MB of RAM. Want to take a guess which notebook out performs the other? My work notebook kicks the ass of my personal computer, even though it is only 1.6ghz. The reason is the quality and model of the Intel processor. Hence, if you want to go with a PC notebook, my recommendation is to get a mobile notebook with the newest and fastest Intel Mobile processor, which is basically the Centrino processor chip set...not just the processor, but a chipset on a board that works together for better performance. Don't be fooled by what appears to be a lower ghz speed of the processor, because the Intel Mobile and Centrino processors are a completely different animal and allocate tasks differently than traditional desktop processors. My wife (who works in marketing for Intel and managed the Centrino program, by the way) has a new IBM thinkpad that is half the size and weight of my work notebook, with the Centrino chipset, and it even outperforms my mobile notebook with just an Intel mobile processor. The thing looks like a toy but it screams past my work computer, which out performs my personal notebook with the highest ghz processor of them all. Again, size, weight, processor speed, etc...are all relative now to the type of processor. And I've said this before, but a commercial box will out perform any consumer box any day. IFyou can afford it, don't buy your notebook from a retailer, but a business/commercial notebook directly from the manufacture's website or sales line. My next notebook will likely be a new IBM Thinkpad with the newest Centrino processor/chipset. I believe they are up to 2.2ghz now, which translates into something much higher than 3ghz in terms of performance...I don't have the performance comparison data with me off hand. In my opinion, you'll need this extra performance if you want to run both Mobius and any robust VST effects on your notebook. I know because I am struggling with my personal consumer notebook I mentioned in Part I above. It simply isn't robust enough to do what I want. I can run Mobius and a few VST effects simultaneously, but not much more than that. If I run Mobius, Antares Filter, Lexicon PSP84, a basic chorus and delay VST effect at the same time, the notebook will drop to its knees. Just using my VST effects and host is fine, and just using Mobius with a few basic VST effects is fine. Kris riginal Message ----- From: "paul" To: "Kris Hartung" Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 8:38 AM Subject: Re: using laptops for music > Hi Kris, > > thanks for the info, especially concerning which processor to look for. > Most recommendations I've received have been for the p4 or the athlon but > all of those recommendations came from people who aren't using their > laptops for music specifically. From the research that I've done you're > probably the user that is most similar to the setup that I'd like to move to. > > In a couple of weeks I'm going to be performing at a trade show in Toronto, > it's a pretty intense weekend working several hours a day but a good way to > move a lot of cds and be seen by many people that wouldn't go to a concert. > I'm planning on using my laptop running mobius and still using my rackmount > effects for reverb, delay and eq (really necessary on the hammered > dulcimer). I'm going to bring the echoplex but really just as a backup. > I'll let you know how it works out. If this setup works really well, I may > sell the echoples to help fund purchasing a new laptop to run the vst > effects. My personal feelings are still that working with the laptops is an > excellent alternative to all the rackmount equipment.... especially since > if my laptop goes down, you can find computer techs everywhere, and I can > even rent another laptop and be back working within a day or so. When my > echoplex quit on me, it was about 6 weeks before it was working again, and > would have been longer if I had to send it to Gibson. Their best timeline > was 4 to 6 months. > > Anyway, Thanks again, I always look for your posts, > > all the best, > > paul > > > > > > > At 10:54 AM 10/17/2005, you wrote: > > >Hi Paul! > > > >Cool, someone reads my posts. :) > > > >This very instant I am using a HP Compaq NC6000, which is already out-dated > >but kicks butt. I was just looking at the hp.com site and clicked on > >laptops and then those for businesses, and you can see their whole NC line. > >Some are very affordable. > > > >I run my VST system on a Compaq Presario 2500 with 500MB of ram and 2.4 Ghz > >Intel processor, which is great, but it is a honking huge box, think, noisy > >fan (because they put desktop processors in those thick notebooks, not Intel > >mobile processors). > > > >Hence, whether you buy HP or not, my main recommendation would be to get a > >notebook that has an actualy Intel M or "mobile" processor in it which will > >be quit and efficient. In fact, I recommend a notebook with the Intel > >Centrino chipset. My wife wroks for Intel in Marketing, and that was her > >product....so I hear A LOT about it. And then be sure you get the fastest > >processor and 1GIG of RAM. These three things are the lucky combination I > >think. > > > >Also, we can't always guarantee that the soundcard on any notebook will be > >decent for sound, unless you customize it as such. I replaced my internal > >soundcard with an external Creative Labs Audigy 2 notebook card, that plugs > >in the PMCIA slot...wonderful, plus I can take it out and use it in another > >notebook if I wanted. But you may get lucky with whatever is in the unit and > >get no latency issues. > > > >Kris > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "paul" > >To: "Kris Hartung" > >Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 11:45 PM > >Subject: using laptops for music > > > > > > > Hi Kris, > > > > > > I was interested in your comments about laptops, and I agree with you that > > > the grade of laptop certainly makes a difference. I've had a few laptops > > > (compaqs) and still have them and they are functioning fine. I couldn't > > > afford the $4,000.00 price tag so in the past I've found off lease laptops > > > that were of the commercial grade but more suited to my budget. > > > > > > I'm finding myself more interested in running vst effects and my old > >compaq > > > m300 just won't run some of those. I was wondering if you could make some > > > recommendations as to laptop models that would work well for me, and be of > > > that more commercial quality. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Paul Haslem > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 25 23:42:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24D6C3BF56; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:42:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=o2XNsu0JA37s8CIYPUK3qZrNMN4ampT2D45LD2n8jNo291ISLGtHeDebMwE0A6tLOnwkWJEQ62emYWAXkZyvET4SIqMqa7bKdtNgB7FS57qA+ccnT+qZWhg+3yRFaij6lC028g+KAGOyAGZdCotIQVJh+bNnDjhq0fH6YxISke8= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:42:03 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: using laptops for music In-Reply-To: <00a901c5d9b8$03189640$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051017013533.01f0a048@mail.wightman.ca> <018001c5d32a$be8bfe60$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20051025102201.01fac1c8@mail.wightman.ca> <00a901c5d9b8$03189640$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <-ZdyO.A.1fC.MLsXDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:42:05 +0000 (UTC) http://www-131.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?categoryId= =3D2049168&storeId=3D10000001&catalogId=3D-840&langId=3D-1 I'm looking on the IBM website, and all the Centrino Thinkpads I'm seeing have 14" or 15" screens. Is there another line that has larger screens, or is that as big as they get? TravisH On 10/25/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > My next notebook will likely be a new IBM Thinkpad with the newest Centri= no > processor/chipset. I believe they are up to 2.2ghz now, which translates > into > something much higher than 3ghz in terms of performance...I don't have th= e > performance comparison data with me off hand. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 25 23:47:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F10F3BF57; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:47:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b301c5d9be$748a1ff0$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051017013533.01f0a048@mail.wightman.ca> <018001c5d32a$be8bfe60$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20051025102201.01fac1c8@mail.wightman.ca> <00a901c5d9b8$03189640$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: using laptops for music Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:47:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 361, in=151896, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:47:31 +0000 (UTC) Good question. I will find out the inside scoop, if I can, for the future. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 5:42 PM Subject: Re: using laptops for music http://www-131.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?categoryId=2049168&storeId=10000001&catalogId=-840&langId=-1 I'm looking on the IBM website, and all the Centrino Thinkpads I'm seeing have 14" or 15" screens. Is there another line that has larger screens, or is that as big as they get? TravisH On 10/25/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > My next notebook will likely be a new IBM Thinkpad with the newest Centrino > processor/chipset. I believe they are up to 2.2ghz now, which translates > into > something much higher than 3ghz in terms of performance...I don't have the > performance comparison data with me off hand. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Oct 25 23:52:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6C593BF5C; Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:52:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051017013533.01f0a048@mail.wightman.ca> <018001c5d32a$be8bfe60$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20051025102201.01fac1c8@mail.wightman.ca> <00a901c5d9b8$03189640$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0068c4d741909ac9c6de25a4bfd3ce42@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: using laptops for music Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:52:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:52:50 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 25, 2005, at 6:42 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > I'm looking on the IBM website, and all the Centrino Thinkpads I'm > seeing have 14" or 15" screens. Is there another line that has larger > screens, or is that as big as they get? hmm ... 2.3 gHz processor ... 14.1" display ... 1 gB primary memory, 100 gB secondary memory ... 3700 USD why is this thing 1200 USD more expensive than a new 17" 1.67 gHz powerbook with the same memory? i thought that macintoshes were more expensive? wtf? --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 00:50:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E28BD3BF59; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 00:50:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=fLNE3D/10VPjBhzlbCcw9XG/knQ1wmIT4UQW8CyoQebmQYud2Z+Q8cpO3UGUtSe4; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220051032605537720@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: hacking Digitech X-series boxes RE: OT: FS Digitech XP-300 Spacce Station Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:55:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94046cb2671b4103960bee3ec54076b4162350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.21.44 Resent-Message-ID: <9y6JY.A.nlE.ILtXDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 00:50:16 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Which reminds me....who in our little group was offering to hack other X-series boxes so they could perform the functions of all four X-series units? Sounded intriguing. ~Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 10/24/2005 10:56:18 PM Subject: OT: FS Digitech XP-300 Spacce Station Hi there folks, I just listed this think on E-Bay finally. I figured their may be folks here that're either interested themselves or know someone else who might be. T'is a cool pedal but I need to trim down on stuff in my kit (and my garage, heheheh). Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn PS. Buy "Flux Aeterna" from CDBaby during the months of September and October and all of my portion of the profits will be automatically donated to the Red Cross by CDBaby specifically for Gulf Coast hurricane relief. "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
    Which reminds me....who in our little group was offering to hack other X-series boxes so they could perform the functions of all four X-series units? Sounded intriguing.
    ~Tim
     
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:
    Sent: 10/24/2005 10:56:18 PM
    Subject: OT: FS Digitech XP-300 Spacce Station

    Hi there folks,

    I just listed this think on E-Bay finally. I figured their may be folks here that're
    either interested themselves or know someone else who might be. T'is a cool
    pedal but I need to trim down on stuff in my kit (and my garage, heheheh).

    <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7360778177>

    Best regards,

    tEd ® kiLLiAn

    PS. Buy "Flux Aeterna" from CDBaby during the months of September
    and October and all of my portion of the profits will be automatically
    donated to the Red Cross by CDBaby specifically for Gulf Coast
    hurricane relief.

    "Different is not always better, but better is always different"

    http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
    http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
    http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
    http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
    http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073
    http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314
    http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193

    Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
    BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
    AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
    RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
    and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
    ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 00:55:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF5BB3BF57; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 00:55:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Da5GxsJvmrBGL1qvbspcLSQ7ZfiLtz9nVtEhTy4J+dMF4CsUrwPZZxlqUbNlwzFg; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22005103261042940@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: arco/beep Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:00:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94044d7f2f328392d4ee0ea5797200d4434350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.21.44 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 00:55:24 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII what!?! e-mail faux pas? have you torn a page from my playbook or something?!?! (LOL) ~Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: daniel stevenson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 10/25/2005 3:24:49 PM Subject: Re: arco/beep oh sheez...how did that go your way?sorry mang...hehahahaheah bulk anger today!!! have a nice day *<{,':-}) Travis Hartnett wrote: Well, that's a new spelling of "unsubcribe" if I ever saw one... On 10/25/05, daniel stevenson wrote: > fuck you asshole bitch sodomite fuckwadd!!! > > samba - wrote: > 10/21/05 > > > ARCO / BEEP Electronic Art Awards > > > > > > > > > First edition of the ARCO / BEEP > Electronic Art Awards > Sponsored by BEEP, > in collaboration with ARCO > > > Registration form will be available on the ARCO/BEEP Electronic Art Prize > website, http://www.arco.beep.es > > Additional information: > Jury's Secretariat > Vicente Matallana / LaAgencia > Tel: (34) 91 366 8821 > E-mail: premiobeep@laagencia.org > > http://www.arco.ifema.es > > > > > BEEP / Data Logic aims to create an electronic art collection, through > awarding Acquisition Prizes. Therefore, it is organising the ARCO/BEEP > Electronic Art Awards. > > The goal of these Awards is to advance the production and exhibition of > electronic art, and art linked to new technologies. Its purpose is to > promote new high-tech art, and to foster communication between the > manufacturers/creators of this new technology and those who create art. A > natural collaboration, which will benefit and enrich both sides. > > There are two ACQUISITION PRIZES: > > 1) @ARCO Prize: worth 8,000 euros > > 2) Off-ARCO Prize: worth 6,000 euros > > The Prizes will be awarded by an international Jury of prestigious > specialists. > > > 1. ARCO / BEEP Acquisition Prizes > > Description > > 1) @ARCO Prize > To be eligible, an artwork must be shown at the 25th edition of ARCO, the > International Contemporary Art Fair, in Madrid (9-13 February 2006), and > must have a significant component involving new technology or electronic > media. > > Before ARCO'06, these eligible artworks must also be previously submitted > for consideration by their galleries, through registration on a webpage that > shall be created to this effect. > > 2) Off-ARCO Prize > Artworks presented by individual artists, or collectives. > > The Prize-winning artworks shall become part of the BEEP/Data Logic > corporate collection. > > The @ARCO Prize shall be endowed with 8,000 euros, and the Off-ARCO Prize > with 6,000 euros—a total of 14,000 euros for the acquisition of the two > artworks. > > - The Prizes shall be awarded according to the Jury's decision. > - The Jury shall determine the winner in each of the two categories. > - Registration opens: 5 p.m. Madrid time (GMT+1 hour), 28th October 2005. > - Registration deadline: 5 p.m. Madrid time (GMT+1 hour), 16th January 2006. > - Prize money: 14,000 euros for the acquisition of the two artworks. > - Announcement of winning artworks: 11th February 2006. > > Should any of the money earmarked for acquisition remain unspent, the Jury > may decide whether to devote this amount to a future edition of the Awards > or to acquiring a third artwork selected from amongst nominees for the > present edition; in this case, the artwork would be considered to have been > awarded an Honourable Mention. > > 2. Participation Rules > > • Any artwork may participate—as long as it is presented by a gallery > exhibiting at ARCO'06 (@ARCO Prize) or by individual artists, or collectives > (Off-ARCO Prize)—that involves significant use of new technology, or > electronic media. > • The artworks must have been previously registered on the webpage that > shall be created to this effect. > • The eligible artworks must be exhibited with a price tag. > • Acceptance of artworks shall be the responsibility of the Jury, whose > decision shall be final. > • Acceptance of a Prize involves ceding ownership of the prize-winning > artwork to the company BEEP/Data Logic. > • The Jury's decision shall be final. > > 3. Registration > > 3.1. Registration Dates > > The 2006 awards shall first be announced in May 2005. > > Registration opens: 5 p.m. Madrid time (GMT+1 hour), 28th October 2005. > Registration deadline: 5 p.m. Madrid time (GMT+1 hour), 16th January 2006. > > 3.2. Registration Form > > - Registrations shall only be accepted through the Form to be made available > on the ARCO/BEEP Electronic Art Prize website, http://www.arco.beep.es > - The registration deadline shall be 5 p.m. Madrid time (GMT+1 hour), 16th > January 2006. > > The Registration Form must include the following information: > > - Artwork title > - Information on the gallery and the artist or collective > - Brief description of the artwork (max. 50 words) > - Sales price, including taxes > - URL where further information is available > - No registrations shall be accepted via e-mail, surface mail, or other > means > - Registrations shall be in Spanish or English. No artwork failing to meet > this requisite shall be considered for the awards. We recommend submitting > bilingual Spanish/English versions, and participants should double-check the > translation > > 3.3. Expanded Proposals > > - Participants may expand the information included on their Registration > Forms by putting it on their own website, providing the URL on their > Registration Forms. Recommendations for Internet presentation of this > expanded information are as follows: > - Project Description (max. 500 words), explaining the central concepts and > technological resources used. > - Images of the artwork. > - Résumé of the artist. In the case of collectives, a group résumé may be > included, or individual résumés for each member. > - In preparing these webpages, please bear in mind that the Jury's time is > limited. Therefore, maximum clarity and concision in web design are strongly > advised. > - Those contestants who put up a website for their project shall be > responsible for its design and hosting costs. > > 4. Jury > > - All candidacies shall be examined by an international Jury, including: > > 1. Fernando Castro Flórez, Professor and Art Critic, Madrid (Spain) > 2. Karin Ohlenschläger, Artistic Director, MediaLabMadrid (Spain) > 3. Christiane Paul, Associate Curator for New Media Art, Whitney Museum of > American Art, New York (USA) > 4. Arnau Puig, Philosopher and Art Critic, Barcelona (Spain) > 5. Jemima Rellie, Head of New Programmes, Tate, London (UK) > 6. Yukiko Shikata, Independent Curator and Critic, Tokyo (Japan) > 7. Mark Tribe, Assistant Professor of Modern Culture and Media, Brown > University, Providence (USA) > - The Jury's Honorary Chairwoman shall be Marie-France Veyrat, representing > BEEP/Data Logic. > - The Jury's Secretary shall be Vicente Matallana, Director of LaAgencia, > Madrid. > - The Jury shall meet during ARCO'06. > - The Jury's decision shall be final. > > 5. Decision > - The Prize-winners shall be announced at the ARCO International > Contemporary Art Fair, on Saturday 11th February 2006. > - The Jury shall meet on 10th February 2006 at the ARCO-IFEMA offices. > - The winners shall be announced at 1 p.m. on 11th February 2006 at the > central space of theblackbox@arco section. > > 6. Winners > • Winners shall be contacted by the Awards organisers before they are > announced. > • Acceptance of a Prize involves ceding ownership of the Prize-winning > artwork to the company BEEP/Data Logic. > • The company BEEP/Data Logic shall pay the Prize money within 30 days after > the Jury's decision is announced. > • The Prize shall be given to the winner, or to his or her appointed legal > representative. > > 7. Information and Questions > > For any additional information, or to ask any questions about the ARCO/BEEP > Electronic Art Awards, contact: > > Jury's Secretariat > Vicente Matallana / LaAgencia > Tel: (34) 91 366 8821 > E-mail: premiobeep@laagencia.org > > BEEP / Data Logic > Carmen Alcubilla > Tel: (34) 977 30 9100 > E-mail: c-alcubilla@datalogic.com > > ARCO > Ana Botella Diez del Corral > Tel: (34) 91 722 5350 > E-mail: arcobeep@ifema.es > > Registration for the ARCO/BEEP Electronic Art Awards implies acceptance of > the present rules. > > > email to a friend contact subscribe > electronic flux corporation / www.e-flux.com > 295 greenwich street #532, nyc ny 10007 > > to unsubscribe click / here > > > > > ________________________________ > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
    what!?!
    e-mail faux pas?
    have you torn a page from my playbook or something?!?!
    (LOL)
    ~Tim
     
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    Sent: 10/25/2005 3:24:49 PM
    Subject: Re: arco/beep

    oh sheez...how did that go your way?sorry mang...hehahahaheah
    bulk anger today!!!
    have a nice day *<{,':-})

    Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
    Well, that's a new spelling of "unsubcribe" if I ever saw one...

    On 10/25/05, daniel stevenson wrote:
    > fuck you asshole bitch sodomite fuckwadd!!!
    >
    > samba - wrote:
    > 10/21/05
    >
    >
    > ARCO / BEEP Electronic Art Awards
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > First edition of the ARCO / BEEP
    > Electronic Art Awards
    > Sponsored by BEEP,
    > in collaboration with ARCO
    >
    >
    > Registration form will be available on the ARCO/BEEP Electronic Art Prize
    > website, http://www.arco.beep.es
    >
    > Additional information:
    > Jury's Secretariat
    > Vicente Matallana / LaAgencia
    > Tel: (34) 91 366 8821
    > E-mail: premiobeep@laagencia.org
    >
    > http://www.arco.ifema.es
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > BEEP / Data Logic aims to create an electronic art collection, through
    > awarding Acquisition Prizes. Therefore, it is organising the ARCO/BEEP
    > Electronic Art Awards.
    >
    > The goal of these Awards is to advance the production and exhibition of
    > electronic art, and art linked to new technologies. Its purpose is to
    > promote new high-tech art, and to foster communication between the
    > manufacturers/creators of this new technology and those who create art. A
    > natural collaboration, which will benefit and enrich both sides.
    >
    > There are two ACQUISITION PRIZES:
    >
    > 1) @ARCO Prize: worth 8,000 euros
    >
    > 2) Off-ARCO Prize: worth 6,000 euros
    >
    > The Prizes will be awarded by an international Jury of prestigious
    > specialists.
    >
    >
    > 1. ARCO / BEEP Acquisition Prizes
    >
    > Description
    >
    > 1) @ARCO Prize
    > To be eligible, an artwork must be shown at the 25th edition of ARCO, the
    > International Contemporary Art Fair, in Madrid (9-13 February 2006), and
    > must have a significant component involving new technology or electronic
    > media.
    >
    > Before ARCO'06, these eligible artworks must also be previously submitted
    > for consideration by their galleries, through registration on a webpage that
    > shall be created to this effect.
    >
    > 2) Off-ARCO Prize
    > Artworks presented by individual artists, or collectives.
    >
    > The Prize-winning artworks shall become part of the BEEP/Data Logic
    > corporate collection.
    >
    > The @ARCO Prize shall be endowed with 8,000 euros, and the Off-ARCO Prize
    > with 6,000 euros—a total of 14,000 euros for the acquisition of the two
    > artworks.
    >
    > - The Prizes shall be awarded according to the Jury's decision.
    > - The Jury shall determine the winner in each of the two categories.
    > - Registration opens: 5 p.m. Madrid time (GMT+1 hour), 28th October 2005.
    > - Registration deadline: 5 p.m. Madrid time (GMT+1 hour), 16th January 2006.
    > - Prize money: 14,000 euros for the acquisition of the two artworks.
    > - Announcement of winning artworks: 11th February 2006.
    >
    > Should any of the money earmarked for acquisition remain unspent, the Jury
    > may decide whether to devote this amount to a future edition of the Awards
    > or to acquiring a third artwork selected from amongst nominees for the
    > present edition; in this case, the artwork would be considered to have been
    > awarded an Honourable Mention.
    >
    > 2. Participation Rules
    >
    > • Any artwork may participate—as long as it is presented by a gallery
    > exhibiting at ARCO'06 (@ARCO Prize) or by individual artists, or collectives
    > (Off-ARCO Prize)—that involves significant use of new technology, or
    > electronic media.
    > • The artworks must have been previously registered on the webpage that
    > shall be created to this effect.
    > • The eligible artworks must be exhibited with a price tag.
    > • Acceptance of artworks shall be the responsibility of the Jury, whose
    > decision shall be final.
    > • Acceptance of a Prize involves ceding ownership of the prize-winning
    > artwork to the company BEEP/Data Logic.
    > • The Jury's decision shall be final.
    >
    > 3. Registration
    >
    > 3.1. Registration Dates
    >
    > The 2006 awards shall first be announced in May 2005.
    >
    > Registration opens: 5 p.m. Madrid time (GMT+1 hour), 28th October 2005.
    > Registration deadline: 5 p.m. Madrid time (GMT+1 hour), 16th January 2006.
    >
    > 3.2. Registration Form
    >
    > - Registrations shall only be accepted through the Form to be made available
    > on the ARCO/BEEP Electronic Art Prize website, http://www.arco.beep.es
    > - The registration deadline shall be 5 p.m. Madrid time (GMT+1 hour), 16th
    > January 2006.
    >
    > The Registration Form must include the following information:
    >
    > - Artwork title
    > - Information on the gallery and the artist or collective
    > - Brief description of the artwork (max. 50 words)
    > - Sales price, including taxes
    > - URL where further information is available
    > - No registrations shall be accepted via e-mail, surface mail, or other
    > means
    > - Registrations shall be in Spanish or English. No artwork failing to meet
    > this requisite shall be considered for the awards. We recommend submitting
    > bilingual Spanish/English versions, and participants should double-check the
    > translation
    >
    > 3.3. Expanded Proposals
    >
    > - Participants may expand the information included on their Registration
    > Forms by putting it on their own website, providing the URL on their
    > Registration Forms. Recommendations for Internet presentation of this
    > expanded information are as follows:
    > - Project Description (max. 500 words), explaining the central concepts and
    > technological resources used.
    > - Images of the artwork.
    > - Résumé of the artist. In the case of collectives, a group résumé may be
    > included, or individual résumés for each member.
    > - In preparing these webpages, please bear in mind that the Jury's time is
    > limited. Therefore, maximum clarity and concision in web design are strongly
    > advised.
    > - Those contestants who put up a website for their project shall be
    > responsible for its design and hosting costs.
    >
    > 4. Jury
    >
    > - All candidacies shall be examined by an international Jury, including:
    >
    > 1. Fernando Castro Flórez, Professor and Art Critic, Madrid (Spain)
    > 2. Karin Ohlenschläger, Artistic Director, MediaLabMadrid (Spain)
    > 3. Christiane Paul, Associate Curator for New Media Art, Whitney Museum of
    > American Art, New York (USA)
    > 4. Arnau Puig, Philosopher and Art Critic, Barcelona (Spain)
    > 5. Jemima Rellie, Head of New Programmes, Tate, London (UK)
    > 6. Yukiko Shikata, Independent Curator and Critic, Tokyo (Japan)
    > 7. Mark Tribe, Assistant Professor of Modern Culture and Media, Brown
    > University, Providence (USA)
    > - The Jury's Honorary Chairwoman shall be Marie-France Veyrat, representing
    > BEEP/Data Logic.
    > - The Jury's Secretary shall be Vicente Matallana, Director of LaAgencia,
    > Madrid.
    > - The Jury shall meet during ARCO'06.
    > - The Jury's decision shall be final.
    >
    > 5. Decision
    > - The Prize-winners shall be announced at the ARCO International
    > Contemporary Art Fair, on Saturday 11th February 2006.
    > - The Jury shall meet on 10th February 2006 at the ARCO-IFEMA offices.
    > - The winners shall be announced at 1 p.m. on 11th February 2006 at the
    > central space of theblackbox@arco section.
    >
    > 6. Winners
    > • Winners shall be contacted by the Awards organisers before they are
    > announced.
    > • Acceptance of a Prize involves ceding ownership of the Prize-winning
    > artwork to the company BEEP/Data Logic.
    > • The company BEEP/Data Logic shall pay the Prize money within 30 days after
    > the Jury's decision is announced.
    > • The Prize shall be given to the winner, or to his or her appointed legal
    > representative.
    >
    > 7. Information and Questions
    >
    > For any additional information, or to ask any questions about the ARCO/BEEP
    > Electronic Art Awards, contact:
    >
    > Jury's Secretariat
    > Vicente Matallana / LaAgencia
    > Tel: (34) 91 366 8821
    > E-mail: premiobeep@laagencia.org
    >
    > BEEP / Data Logic
    > Carmen Alcubilla
    > Tel: (34) 977 30 9100
    > E-mail: c-alcubilla@datalogic.com
    >
    > ARCO
    > Ana Botella Diez del Corral
    > Tel: (34) 91 722 5350
    > E-mail: arcobeep@ifema.es
    >
    > Registration for the ARCO/BEEP Electronic Art Awards implies acceptance of
    > the present rules.
    >
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    ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 01:38:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7957D3BF5C; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 01:38:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00d901c5d9cd$ea8ed740$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051017013533.01f0a048@mail.wightman.ca> <018001c5d32a$be8bfe60$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20051025102201.01fac1c8@mail.wightman.ca> <00a901c5d9b8$03189640$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0068c4d741909ac9c6de25a4bfd3ce42@suitandtieguy.com> Subject: Re: using laptops for music Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:38:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 24, in=13961, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 01:38:50 +0000 (UTC) > hmm ... 2.3 gHz processor ... 14.1" display ... 1 gB primary memory, > 100 gB secondary memory ... 3700 USD > > why is this thing 1200 USD more expensive than a new 17" 1.67 gHz > powerbook with the same memory? > > i thought that macintoshes were more expensive? wtf? > --- > Eric Williamson Well, if I was obnixious, I would say because it kicks ass. :) But seriously, I believe it has partly to do with supply and demand, and what comes with these commercial boxes. You don't see fortune 100 companies buying hundreds of thousands of MACs for their workplace. Companies like this buy really robust commerical boxes that come loaded with all sorts of other goodies for networking, support, security, extensive support packs, wireless, etc. You might find it interesting that Intel supplies most of their entire workforce with ThinkPads....hmmmm...now, given the linkages they have with all PC manufacturers and the propietary inside information they have access to because their engineering teams work together on product development, why would they do that that? wtf? :) Most of these companies with hundreds of thousands of employees are buying commercial boxes from the likes of IBM, HP, and Dell (this makes up approx. 85% of commerical pc sales for enterprise level companies). Secondly, remember, a 2.3gHz for a Centrino based notebook performs a lot more efficiently than a 2.3gHz non-Centrino Intel based processor. This literally screams past the MAC 1.6gHz. Did you know that MAC plans to use Intel processors in their future desktops? Why would they do this? Because Intil keeps pushing the edge of processor performance and MAC wants a piece of the action. Not notebooks yet. Another tid bit, IBM sold their entire PC line to Lenovo. We'll see probably see a brand name change eventually. Thirdly, let's look at what else is under the hood of some of the most expensive boxes for IBM, HP, and MAC: IBM T Series: http://www-131.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?categoryId=2049168&storeId=10000001&catalogId=-840&langId=-1 MAC PowerBook: http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?family=PowerBook HP: http://h71016.www7.hp.com/dstore/ctoBases.asp?ProductLineId=539&FamilyId=2110&jumpid=re_R2515_store/smProdCat/PSG/notebooks/HP_nw8240_notebook Anyway, there are other factors at stake here. I'm just highlighting a few. Moreover, Travis basically linked to one of my dream boxes. Kris > www.suitandtieguy.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 02:09:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B6FF3BF63; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 02:09:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,251,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="1712620045:sNHT22933250" In-Reply-To: <00d901c5d9cd$ea8ed740$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051017013533.01f0a048@mail.wightman.ca> <018001c5d32a$be8bfe60$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20051025102201.01fac1c8@mail.wightman.ca> <00a901c5d9b8$03189640$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0068c4d741909ac9c6de25a4bfd3ce42@suitandtieguy.com> <00d901c5d9cd$ea8ed740$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <66AF33BA-9735-40CF-ACB0-9B9415CD6FDD@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: using laptops for music Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:09:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: <8OD7M.A.GjH.mVuXDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 02:09:43 +0000 (UTC) The problem for me is, you're starting to get into the price range where I'd rather have an Orville... On Oct 25, 2005, at 8:38 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: >> hmm ... 2.3 gHz processor ... 14.1" display ... 1 gB primary memory, >> 100 gB secondary memory ... 3700 USD >> >> why is this thing 1200 USD more expensive than a new 17" 1.67 gHz >> powerbook with the same memory? >> >> i thought that macintoshes were more expensive? wtf? >> --- >> Eric Williamson >> > > Well, if I was obnixious, I would say because it kicks ass. :) > > But seriously, I believe it has partly to do with supply and > demand, and > what comes with these commercial boxes. You don't see fortune 100 > companies > buying hundreds of thousands of MACs for their workplace. > Companies like > this buy really robust commerical boxes that come loaded with all > sorts of > other goodies for networking, support, security, extensive support > packs, > wireless, etc. You might find it interesting that Intel supplies > most of > their entire workforce with ThinkPads....hmmmm...now, given the > linkages > they have with all PC manufacturers and the propietary inside > information > they have access to because their engineering teams work together > on product > development, why would they do that that? wtf? :) Most of these > companies > with hundreds of thousands of employees are buying commercial boxes > from the > likes of IBM, HP, and Dell (this makes up approx. 85% of commerical > pc sales > for enterprise level companies). > > Secondly, remember, a 2.3gHz for a Centrino based notebook performs > a lot > more efficiently than a 2.3gHz non-Centrino Intel based processor. > This > literally screams past the MAC 1.6gHz. Did you know that MAC plans > to use > Intel processors in their future desktops? Why would they do this? > Because > Intil keeps pushing the edge of processor performance and MAC wants > a piece > of the action. Not notebooks yet. Another tid bit, IBM sold their > entire PC > line to Lenovo. We'll see probably see a brand name change eventually. > > Thirdly, let's look at what else is under the hood of some of the most > expensive boxes for IBM, HP, and MAC: > > IBM T Series: > http://www-131.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay? > categoryId=2049168&storeId=10000001&catalogId=-840&langId=-1 > > MAC PowerBook: > http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore? > family=PowerBook > > HP: > http://h71016.www7.hp.com/dstore/ctoBases.asp? > ProductLineId=539&FamilyId=2110&jumpid=re_R2515_store/smProdCat/PSG/ > notebooks/HP_nw8240_notebook > > Anyway, there are other factors at stake here. I'm just > highlighting a few. > Moreover, Travis basically linked to one of my dream boxes. > > Kris > > > >> www.suitandtieguy.com >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 02:19:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 614363BF6C; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 02:19:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00f401c5d9d3$a53c5a90$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051017013533.01f0a048@mail.wightman.ca> <018001c5d32a$be8bfe60$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20051025102201.01fac1c8@mail.wightman.ca> <00a901c5d9b8$03189640$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0068c4d741909ac9c6de25a4bfd3ce42@suitandtieguy.com> <00d901c5d9cd$ea8ed740$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <66AF33BA-9735-40CF-ACB0-9B9415CD6FDD@charter.net> Subject: Re: using laptops for music Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:19:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 362, in=163283, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <_zPsb.A.vvH.heuXDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 02:19:13 +0000 (UTC) You think that's expensive...check out the Panasonic Tough Book... http://www.notebookreview.com/price/default.asp?display=priceDetail&brandID=11&productID=14248&productFamilyID=381 I don't know why the hell some of these are over $5000. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 8:09 PM Subject: Re: using laptops for music > The problem for me is, you're starting to get into the price range > where I'd rather have an Orville... > > > On Oct 25, 2005, at 8:38 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > > >> hmm ... 2.3 gHz processor ... 14.1" display ... 1 gB primary memory, > >> 100 gB secondary memory ... 3700 USD > >> > >> why is this thing 1200 USD more expensive than a new 17" 1.67 gHz > >> powerbook with the same memory? > >> > >> i thought that macintoshes were more expensive? wtf? > >> --- > >> Eric Williamson > >> > > > > Well, if I was obnixious, I would say because it kicks ass. :) > > > > But seriously, I believe it has partly to do with supply and > > demand, and > > what comes with these commercial boxes. You don't see fortune 100 > > companies > > buying hundreds of thousands of MACs for their workplace. > > Companies like > > this buy really robust commerical boxes that come loaded with all > > sorts of > > other goodies for networking, support, security, extensive support > > packs, > > wireless, etc. You might find it interesting that Intel supplies > > most of > > their entire workforce with ThinkPads....hmmmm...now, given the > > linkages > > they have with all PC manufacturers and the propietary inside > > information > > they have access to because their engineering teams work together > > on product > > development, why would they do that that? wtf? :) Most of these > > companies > > with hundreds of thousands of employees are buying commercial boxes > > from the > > likes of IBM, HP, and Dell (this makes up approx. 85% of commerical > > pc sales > > for enterprise level companies). > > > > Secondly, remember, a 2.3gHz for a Centrino based notebook performs > > a lot > > more efficiently than a 2.3gHz non-Centrino Intel based processor. > > This > > literally screams past the MAC 1.6gHz. Did you know that MAC plans > > to use > > Intel processors in their future desktops? Why would they do this? > > Because > > Intil keeps pushing the edge of processor performance and MAC wants > > a piece > > of the action. Not notebooks yet. Another tid bit, IBM sold their > > entire PC > > line to Lenovo. We'll see probably see a brand name change eventually. > > > > Thirdly, let's look at what else is under the hood of some of the most > > expensive boxes for IBM, HP, and MAC: > > > > IBM T Series: > > http://www-131.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay? > > categoryId=2049168&storeId=10000001&catalogId=-840&langId=-1 > > > > MAC PowerBook: > > http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore? > > family=PowerBook > > > > HP: > > http://h71016.www7.hp.com/dstore/ctoBases.asp? > > ProductLineId=539&FamilyId=2110&jumpid=re_R2515_store/smProdCat/PSG/ > > notebooks/HP_nw8240_notebook > > > > Anyway, there are other factors at stake here. I'm just > > highlighting a few. > > Moreover, Travis basically linked to one of my dream boxes. > > > > Kris > > > > > > > >> www.suitandtieguy.com > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 02:25:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 157873BF75; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 02:25:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uocJWBZQm6zuySrVjZUfxcrhv2Pq8JMoq1ta4RuA3HlxOyL1N9bD45YYG1lDsOj3bPQiMUsrtZw8BtgN9C5ih9v76jLvVkTTrKABiMCpZchfYJNwgENw2bm5g6+Exjy3XKD1fJn8AyfbevyJydp+lEXZzav5YKEIF+xBUzIPTy0= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:25:53 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: using laptops for music In-Reply-To: <00f401c5d9d3$a53c5a90$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051017013533.01f0a048@mail.wightman.ca> <018001c5d32a$be8bfe60$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20051025102201.01fac1c8@mail.wightman.ca> <00a901c5d9b8$03189640$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0068c4d741909ac9c6de25a4bfd3ce42@suitandtieguy.com> <00d901c5d9cd$ea8ed740$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <66AF33BA-9735-40CF-ACB0-9B9415CD6FDD@charter.net> <00f401c5d9d3$a53c5a90$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 02:25:54 +0000 (UTC) There's so much marketing haze that it's hard to be sure, but they seem to claim that their laptops are physically much sturdier than the norm. TravisH On 10/25/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > You think that's expensive...check out the Panasonic Tough Book... > > http://www.notebookreview.com/price/default.asp?display=3DpriceDetail&bra= ndID=3D11&productID=3D14248&productFamilyID=3D381 > > I don't know why the hell some of these are over $5000. > > Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 02:33:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 677683BF70; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 02:33:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <010001c5d9d5$a7444da0$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051017013533.01f0a048@mail.wightman.ca> <018001c5d32a$be8bfe60$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20051025102201.01fac1c8@mail.wightman.ca> <00a901c5d9b8$03189640$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0068c4d741909ac9c6de25a4bfd3ce42@suitandtieguy.com> <00d901c5d9cd$ea8ed740$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <66AF33BA-9735-40CF-ACB0-9B9415CD6FDD@charter.net> <00f401c5d9d3$a53c5a90$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: using laptops for music Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:33:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 359, in=147926, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 02:33:34 +0000 (UTC) I have a funny story about this. My wife was at some Intel convention, and Panasonic was there showing off their tough book prototype, which was worth about $100,000 at the time because of the stage of their development lifecycle, etc. One of the Intel executives dropped the notebook, purposively, on the floor....but apparently this was not planned. Made the Panasonic executive a bit uneasy. :) It survived. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 8:25 PM Subject: Re: using laptops for music There's so much marketing haze that it's hard to be sure, but they seem to claim that their laptops are physically much sturdier than the norm. TravisH On 10/25/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > You think that's expensive...check out the Panasonic Tough Book... > > http://www.notebookreview.com/price/default.asp?display=priceDetail&brandID=11&productID=14248&productFamilyID=381 > > I don't know why the hell some of these are over $5000. > > Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 02:39:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F0AA3BF7B; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 02:39:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <00d901c5d9cd$ea8ed740$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051017013533.01f0a048@mail.wightman.ca> <018001c5d32a$be8bfe60$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20051025102201.01fac1c8@mail.wightman.ca> <00a901c5d9b8$03189640$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0068c4d741909ac9c6de25a4bfd3ce42@suitandtieguy.com> <00d901c5d9cd$ea8ed740$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <7810416d89a418dd6ebaae05ae9f81b2@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: using laptops for music Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:39:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: <10IJOD.A.Uf.zxuXDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 02:39:48 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 25, 2005, at 8:38 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > literally screams past the MAC 1.6gHz. Did you know that MAC plans to > use > Intel processors in their future desktops? Why would they do this? > Because > Intil keeps pushing the edge of processor performance and MAC wants a > piece > of the action. Not notebooks yet. Another tid bit, IBM sold their > entire PC actually the name of the company is Apple. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 03:05:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C55BF3BF6F; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 03:05:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <013b01c5d9da$2b9721f0$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051017013533.01f0a048@mail.wightman.ca> <018001c5d32a$be8bfe60$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20051025102201.01fac1c8@mail.wightman.ca> <00a901c5d9b8$03189640$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0068c4d741909ac9c6de25a4bfd3ce42@suitandtieguy.com> <00d901c5d9cd$ea8ed740$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <7810416d89a418dd6ebaae05ae9f81b2@suitandtieguy.com> Subject: Re: using laptops for music Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:05:49 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 24, in=13993, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 03:05:54 +0000 (UTC) That's right, sorry. Here is the article: http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2005/jun/06intel.html "Our goal is to provide our customers with the best personal computers in the world, and looking ahead Intel has the strongest processor roadmap by far," said Steve Jobs, Apple's CEO. "It's been ten years since our transition to the PowerPC, and we think Intel's technology will help us create the best personal computers for the next ten years." 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Promotions Manager THE NATIONAL LOTTERY WINNING NOTIFICATION From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 07:50:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 347203BF0E; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 07:50:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <00d901c5d9cd$ea8ed740$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051017013533.01f0a048@mail.wightman.ca> <018001c5d32a$be8bfe60$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20051025102201.01fac1c8@mail.wightman.ca> <00a901c5d9b8$03189640$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0068c4d741909ac9c6de25a4bfd3ce42@suitandtieguy.com> <00d901c5d9cd$ea8ed740$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3923AC2B-6B48-42EF-9C73-44D566093FDE@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: using laptops for music Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:50:50 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 07:50:55 +0000 (UTC) A lot good laptop advices posted by Kris. I just want to add that you should really avoid a graphics solution based on shared memory. It's a little more expensive with a dedicated graphic card but a lot more stable and powerful when using the machine for audio (or other multi media application). And go for the Pentium-M technology from Intel, also called Centrino. It's not a good time to buy a pc from Apple these days, because in a year the Macs will also be using Intel processors and smoke the models shipped right now. I read a comparison by a guy that has a Pentium-M 1,7 GHz and he said it outperforms his desktop Pentium 4 2.2 GHz by far. The top of the line Pentium-M that Kris mention, 2.3GHz, does almost double the price though. When I recently put together a laptop for audio work I settled with 2.0GHz to save money. Also look at the memory configuration. I could not afford 2 G ram so I settled with one 1 G, leaving the second slot empty for future RAM upgrade. Both live looping and music production with heavy sample libraries need a lot of RAM. An external firewire drive is good for recording and also for quickly backing up data. Pentium machines only support firewire 400 (but it's good enough for hard disc recording) while some Apple pc's support the faster 800. Another good thing to look for in a lappy is a PCMCIA slot for a sound card or a sound card adapter. That's almost as fast as PCI on desktops. Finally, if a pc is used on a daily bases it may brake down after two years. I have had two desktops on a row that lasted exactly two years, a custom built Pentium 4 and a dual Apple G5. Knowing this, you may also look into the insurance programs offered by the vendor. In my opinion it's better to start with a smaller hard drive and put the money into an insurance. Apple PCs bought ten years ago do typically last for ever but they don't manufacture hardware that way any longer. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 08:26:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D70133BF55; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:26:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20051025203451.046ffc80@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 01:25:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: using laptops for music In-Reply-To: <00d901c5d9cd$ea8ed740$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051017013533.01f0a048@mail.wightman.ca> <018001c5d32a$be8bfe60$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20051025102201.01fac1c8@mail.wightman.ca> <00a901c5d9b8$03189640$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0068c4d741909ac9c6de25a4bfd3ce42@suitandtieguy.com> <00d901c5d9cd$ea8ed740$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:26:28 +0000 (UTC) As important as the cpu and memory, or probably more important in this case, is the chipset used. Chipsets are definitely not all equal. At 06:38 PM 10/25/2005, Kris Hartung wrote: >Secondly, remember, a 2.3gHz for a Centrino based notebook performs a lot >more efficiently than a 2.3gHz non-Centrino Intel based processor. This >literally screams past the MAC 1.6gHz. Did you know that MAC plans to use >Intel processors in their future desktops? Why would they do this? Because >Intil keeps pushing the edge of processor performance and MAC wants a piece >of the action. Of course, if Apple really wants high performance they'll use AMD CPUs. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 10:18:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F21303BF27; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:18:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [132.185.144.120] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051025203451.046ffc80@loopers-delight.com> From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: good lord...! Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:18:55 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2005 10:18:55.0255 (UTC) FILETIME=[AB923A70:01C5DA16] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:18:56 +0000 (UTC) Fripp's Solar Voyager II... http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/diary/photos/SVIIdebut.jpg sim www.simeonharris.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 10:39:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A077A3BF36; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:39:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: Re: good lord...! Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 06:39:25 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:39:31 +0000 (UTC) what's in the bottom rack? a switchblade? and what else? On Oct 26, 2005, at 6:18 AM, simeon harris wrote: > Fripp's Solar Voyager II... > > http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/diary/photos/SVIIdebut.jpg > > sim > > > > > > www.simeonharris.co.uk > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 11:37:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E9103BF05; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:37:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: <20051025025619.6F1163BF22@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051025084600.02dd22c0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <765ee21c77667f6dd0fddb051876e4db@bluecocoa.co.uk> <2E111AA2-87D9-49CC-9807-05BBEC03766D@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <914ac9f65fb8fcb220708b8f0611bda5@bluecocoa.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: geoff smith Subject: Re: can u run multiple sooper loopers? Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:37:21 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:31046aae14d26613101907701dd671f6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:37:56 +0000 (UTC) Thanks per this wasn't in the documentation on the site (i don't think...) how did u know this? maybe I am just being silly. Its pretty amazing though in two days I now have a very cool looping rig in bidule, I have also wired up a few virtual instruments for knocking out beats. thanks again for your support geoff On 25 Oct 2005, at 21:34, Per Boysen wrote: > On Oct 25, 2005, at 22:05, geoff smith wrote: > >> How do you run parallel loops in the au version? >> I have set the number of loops to 4 > > Open thee more and you will have four ;-) > Press cmnd-1 to open another one. > Press cmnd-d to delete the last loop. > >>> You can run as many parallel loops as your Mac can handle. >>> >> is that just in the stand alone version? > > No, it's the AU version. I don't know much about the stand alone > version since I mostly use the AU. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 11:48:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 677623BF0E; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:48:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <914ac9f65fb8fcb220708b8f0611bda5@bluecocoa.co.uk> References: <20051025025619.6F1163BF22@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051025084600.02dd22c0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <765ee21c77667f6dd0fddb051876e4db@bluecocoa.co.uk> <2E111AA2-87D9-49CC-9807-05BBEC03766D@boysen.se> <914ac9f65fb8fcb220708b8f0611bda5@bluecocoa.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: can u run multiple sooper loopers? Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:48:38 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:48:42 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 26, 2005, at 13:37, geoff smith wrote: > Thanks per > this wasn't in the documentation on the site (i don't think...) > how did u know this? Can't remember. But I always touch every button with all software to see what may happen. Maybe I read it in the SL preferences under the tag "key bindings"? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 11:52:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 721C73BF33; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:52:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-6.tower-82.messagelabs.com!1130327569!0!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC89D9@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: bigtony@softhome.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Opcode Studio 64X manual Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:52:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5DA23.C435FC30" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:52:52 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5DA23.C435FC30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I picked up an Opcode Studio 64x cheap and there were no manuals. Would anybody on the list who has one be willing to scan theirs for me. I'd be happy to pay for the effort. I see that there's one on Manual Manor, but I thought I'd ask here first.<< I hope you got the drivers with it & that they'll work on whatever box you're running... I have an old midiport 32; I will check the disc tonight that came with it- as I recall, it had drivers & some documentation for the whole opcode range. opcode have ceased to be- a few manufacturers get bought by other companies & the support continues, but no-one wrote any new drivers for the opcode box I've got & so I have to keep a whole machine (an old tecra laptop) with w98 on it. this doesn't bother me too much as I actually prefer w98, & I only use it for midi-ox-ing sysex into gear, no sequencing. (there's a special word in english for preferring one hated thing over another but I'm hungover & can't remember it). duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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    >>I picked up an Opcode Studio 64x cheap and there = were no manuals.  Would
    anybody on the list who has one be willing to scan their= s for me. I'd be
    happy to pay for the effort.  I see that there's on= e on Manual Manor, but I
    thought I'd ask here first.<<

    I hope you got the drivers with it & that they'll wor= k on whatever box you're running...

    I have an old midiport 32; I will check the disc tonight = that came with it- as I recall, it had drivers & some documentation for= the whole opcode range.

    opcode have ceased to be- a few manufacturers get bought = by other companies & the support continues, but no-one wrote any new dr= ivers for the opcode box I've got & so I have to keep a whole machine (= an old tecra laptop) with w98 on it.

    this doesn't bother me too much as I actually prefer w98,= & I only use it for midi-ox-ing sysex into gear, no sequencing. (there= 's a special word in english for preferring one hated thing over another bu= t I'm hungover & can't remember it).

    duncan.



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    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5DA23.C435FC30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 12:43:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22A4C3BF14; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:43:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005301c5da2a$c93989c0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051017013533.01f0a048@mail.wightman.ca> <018001c5d32a$be8bfe60$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20051025102201.01fac1c8@mail.wightman.ca> <00a901c5d9b8$03189640$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0068c4d741909ac9c6de25a4bfd3ce42@suitandtieguy.com> <00d901c5d9cd$ea8ed740$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3923AC2B-6B48-42EF-9C73-44D566093FDE@boysen.se> Subject: Re: using laptops for music Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 06:42:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 362, in=163369, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <7Ve-yD.A.N3D.Tn3XDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:43:00 +0000 (UTC) Yep, you have the magic formula, Per. My wife at Intel would be beaming with delight to hear you write as such about the Centrino chipset. My lips are sealed, but wait until you see what Intel comes out with in January. My work notebook is an HP/Compaq NC6000 with the Intel M processor, only 1.6ghz, and it still kicks butt on my personal laptop with Pentium 4, 2.4ghz! And now my personal laptop is starting to crap out and get the "blue screen of death." I'm in trouble, because this is my music notebook...I should have taken my wife's advice, and NEVER have bought that consumer model notebook...bad, bad, bad...I learned a big lesson. I should have spent an extra grand for a commercial box with an M processor, XP Pro, etc. Also, regarding your statement below, I might argue with that when it comes to "some" commercial boxes. I have had my work notebook, the NC model, for over three years, using it 10-14 hours a day...it is on 24 hours a day. I've taken it on business trips, yanked it around to meeting rooms, dropped it in its bag, worked on the plane where people in front of me jammed their seat back into my display, worked in hotels, in bed when my back was hurt, etc.....I expect this thing will easily last another two years. You are right about the insurance, or what we like to refer to as extended warranties in PC land, or Care Packs in HP. You'll note that with the expensive commercial boxes like the HP NC models and IMB models, you often get 3 year warranties. This is another reason why enterprise level companies buy these commercial boxes. Kris > > Finally, if a pc is used on a daily bases it may brake down after two > years. I have had two desktops on a row that lasted exactly two > years, a custom built Pentium 4 and a dual Apple G5. Knowing this, > you may also look into the insurance programs offered by the vendor. > In my opinion it's better to start with a smaller hard drive and put > the money into an insurance. Apple PCs bought ten years ago do > typically last for ever but they don't manufacture hardware that way > any longer. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 12:47:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91FBA3BF18; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:47:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005901c5da2b$60722770$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051017013533.01f0a048@mail.wightman.ca> <018001c5d32a$be8bfe60$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20051025102201.01fac1c8@mail.wightman.ca> <00a901c5d9b8$03189640$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0068c4d741909ac9c6de25a4bfd3ce42@suitandtieguy.com> <00d901c5d9cd$ea8ed740$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20051025203451.046ffc80@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: using laptops for music Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 06:47:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 362, in=152055, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:47:11 +0000 (UTC) > > Of course, if Apple really wants high performance they'll use AMD CPUs. You are kidding, right? I guess that explains why they are trying to sue Intel because Intel has the Lion's share of the market share for processors. :) Personally, I don't think they stand a chance to keep up with Intel innovation and their current partnerships, such as (historically), the Titantium Intel process that was developed in collaboration with HP and Intel for their UNIX boxes. And what they will release in the future. AMD is a major player in consumer boxes, but for commerical boxes....no way. Again, I'm biased and I'll be in the dog house if I speak otherwise. Feel free to share some market data on performance comparisons between Intel and AMD chips, etc. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 13:02:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B5043BF19; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:02:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <435F7E5A.9080904@pdq.net> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:02:18 -0500 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: good lord...! References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:02:20 +0000 (UTC) That's a Roland GP-100 in the top slot of the bottom rack, and a Furman power unit in the bottom slot. I can't believe that he's still using that GP-100 :) I had one for a while, and just sold it for $200 bucks :) Doug monk wrote: > what's in the bottom rack? a switchblade? and what else? > > > > On Oct 26, 2005, at 6:18 AM, simeon harris wrote: > >> Fripp's Solar Voyager II... >> >> http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/diary/photos/SVIIdebut.jpg >> >> sim >> >> >> >> >> >> www.simeonharris.co.uk >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 13:30:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 350773BF23; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:30:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Ch5U8Yfnw0cFBMTOkxruW1lQOUPAJq9kRHb+JpvWCW7p6N8+wDR6lByDr53nUsn7Bh6DFwvDGgjJOp5Xk4Z1UQUCxRUC8PXwJfz90p6b1dyQOgKnOXepuIuCA3urzrPSEsDAKqa99HvsdStNqYeZlAEMSB/Qj9ePXIsLhZInSqA= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 06:30:26 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: using laptops for music In-Reply-To: <005301c5da2a$c93989c0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051017013533.01f0a048@mail.wightman.ca> <018001c5d32a$be8bfe60$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20051025102201.01fac1c8@mail.wightman.ca> <00a901c5d9b8$03189640$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0068c4d741909ac9c6de25a4bfd3ce42@suitandtieguy.com> <00d901c5d9cd$ea8ed740$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3923AC2B-6B48-42EF-9C73-44D566093FDE@boysen.se> <005301c5da2a$c93989c0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:30:30 +0000 (UTC) But what exactly constitutes a "commercial" box? I'm not seeing this hard distinction being drawn in their online sales sites. For things like kitchen appliances, you go to a restaurant supply store and find that everything costs way more--like, $300 toasters. It looks pretty much like a $30 toaster you buy at Sears, but all the components are heavier so it can stand up to commericial duty cycles (such as making 500 pieces of toast, every day for years). It seems to me that a "commercial" lap top would weigh a couple pounds more and be visibly bulkier than a consumer unit, the ports would all have rubber gasket covers to keep water/sand/whatever out, the screen would have some super scratch resistant coating, etc. I don't see that in the HP or Thinkpad models that have been discussed, they just seem to have a faster processor, bigger hard drive and more ram. It's like someone's Civic with a bunch of bolt-on performance parts as opposed to something that's a racing chassis by design. And if you say that your consumer grade HP laptop has held up to all sorts of physical abuse, then it appears that the issue is more one of performance and not physical ruggedness, which was my concern when this sub-thread first started, i.e. how well will a laptop hold up to road conditions, being dropped on the floor, having cable yanked out by passing strangers, etc. TravisH On 10/26/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > And now > my personal laptop is starting to crap out and get the "blue screen of > death." I'm in trouble, because this is my music notebook...I should hav= e > taken my wife's advice, and NEVER have bought that consumer model > notebook...bad, bad, bad...I learned a big lesson. I should have spent a= n > extra grand for a commercial box with an M processor, XP Pro, etc. > > Also, regarding your statement below, I might argue with that when it com= es > to "some" commercial boxes. I have had my work notebook, the NC model, fo= r > over three years, using it 10-14 hours a day...it is on 24 hours a day. I= 've > taken it on business trips, yanked it around to meeting rooms, dropped it= in > its bag, worked on the plane where people in front of me jammed their sea= t > back into my display, worked in hotels, in bed when my back was hurt, > etc.....I expect this thing will easily last another two years. You are > right about the insurance, or what we like to refer to as extended > warranties in PC land, or Care Packs in HP. You'll note that with the > expensive commercial boxes like the HP NC models and IMB models, you ofte= n > get 3 year warranties. This is another reason why enterprise level compan= ies > buy these commercial boxes. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 14:00:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 719993BF18; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:00:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uZY6MI/NPnLWwmGvV2AnqTXLCDYARi0fMcrUxTrdmmBXdJEAeNwFPLHewekXIISHFIsZp4em1/ilSOskGdGxHDW3mRUTxPPqjwRQnqej0sbOWfc0xtE3xFvbIzeav0Lz1WxW60M3SYWflCQn5yR53jK1bK/QtVBCX9NvEhshL0Y= Message-ID: <588ce11d0510260700i4997de8ft9043c4017d94c7b4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 07:00:30 -0700 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: using laptops for music In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051017013533.01f0a048@mail.wightman.ca> <018001c5d32a$be8bfe60$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20051025102201.01fac1c8@mail.wightman.ca> <00a901c5d9b8$03189640$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0068c4d741909ac9c6de25a4bfd3ce42@suitandtieguy.com> <00d901c5d9cd$ea8ed740$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3923AC2B-6B48-42EF-9C73-44D566093FDE@boysen.se> <005301c5da2a$c93989c0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <_nrhb.A.gkG._v4XDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:00:31 +0000 (UTC) I just want to add an interesting piece of hardware for anyone who is considering using the Pentium M in a _desktop_ machine. Asus makes a $50 adaptor that will allow you to put a Pentium M processor in some of Asus's socket 478 motherboards: http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3D3&l2=3D54&l3=3D0&model=3D467&modelme= nu=3D1 Tom's hardware has a good review of this model: http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20050525/pentium4-01.html On 10/26/05, Travis Hartnett wrote: > But what exactly constitutes a "commercial" box? I'm not seeing this > hard distinction being drawn in their online sales sites. For things > like kitchen appliances, you go to a restaurant supply store and find > that everything costs way more--like, $300 toasters. It looks pretty > much like a $30 toaster you buy at Sears, but all the components are > heavier so it can stand up to commericial duty cycles (such as making > 500 pieces of toast, every day for years). It seems to me that a > "commercial" lap top would weigh a couple pounds more and be visibly > bulkier than a consumer unit, the ports would all have rubber gasket > covers to keep water/sand/whatever out, the screen would have some > super scratch resistant coating, etc. > > I don't see that in the HP or Thinkpad models that have been > discussed, they just seem to have a faster processor, bigger hard > drive and more ram. It's like someone's Civic with a bunch of bolt-on > performance parts as opposed to something that's a racing chassis by > design. And if you say that your consumer grade HP laptop has held up > to all sorts of physical abuse, then it appears that the issue is more > one of performance and not physical ruggedness, which was my concern > when this sub-thread first started, i.e. how well will a laptop hold > up to road conditions, being dropped on the floor, having cable yanked > out by passing strangers, etc. > > TravisH > > On 10/26/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > > And now > > my personal laptop is starting to crap out and get the "blue screen of > > death." I'm in trouble, because this is my music notebook...I should h= ave > > taken my wife's advice, and NEVER have bought that consumer model > > notebook...bad, bad, bad...I learned a big lesson. I should have spent= an > > extra grand for a commercial box with an M processor, XP Pro, etc. > > > > Also, regarding your statement below, I might argue with that when it c= omes > > to "some" commercial boxes. I have had my work notebook, the NC model, = for > > over three years, using it 10-14 hours a day...it is on 24 hours a day.= I've > > taken it on business trips, yanked it around to meeting rooms, dropped = it in > > its bag, worked on the plane where people in front of me jammed their s= eat > > back into my display, worked in hotels, in bed when my back was hurt, > > etc.....I expect this thing will easily last another two years. You are > > right about the insurance, or what we like to refer to as extended > > warranties in PC land, or Care Packs in HP. You'll note that with the > > expensive commercial boxes like the HP NC models and IMB models, you of= ten > > get 3 year warranties. This is another reason why enterprise level comp= anies > > buy these commercial boxes. > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 14:01:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA06D3BF1A; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:01:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009f01c5da35$ccfe58f0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051017013533.01f0a048@mail.wightman.ca> <018001c5d32a$be8bfe60$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20051025102201.01fac1c8@mail.wightman.ca> <00a901c5d9b8$03189640$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0068c4d741909ac9c6de25a4bfd3ce42@suitandtieguy.com> <00d901c5d9cd$ea8ed740$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3923AC2B-6B48-42EF-9C73-44D566093FDE@boysen.se> <005301c5da2a$c93989c0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: using laptops for music Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:01:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 360, in=148092, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <3Z5kq.A.oqG.Mx4XDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:01:48 +0000 (UTC) You can't typically buy a commerical box at a retail shop. That is the primary difference from a sales/marketing standpoint. The other is that they don't market commerical boxes to consumers, but to fortune 500 companies...in short, the sales model for commercial PCs is direct from company to company, not indirect from company to channel partner, to consumer. Most consumer computer sales, with exception of Dell, occur in a retail shop, so most consumers unless they are web savvy like you, never even become aware of a more robust notebook solution. They are too damn expensive and not as commoditized. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 7:30 AM Subject: Re: using laptops for music But what exactly constitutes a "commercial" box? I'm not seeing this hard distinction being drawn in their online sales sites. For things like kitchen appliances, you go to a restaurant supply store and find that everything costs way more--like, $300 toasters. It looks pretty much like a $30 toaster you buy at Sears, but all the components are heavier so it can stand up to commericial duty cycles (such as making 500 pieces of toast, every day for years). It seems to me that a "commercial" lap top would weigh a couple pounds more and be visibly bulkier than a consumer unit, the ports would all have rubber gasket covers to keep water/sand/whatever out, the screen would have some super scratch resistant coating, etc. I don't see that in the HP or Thinkpad models that have been discussed, they just seem to have a faster processor, bigger hard drive and more ram. It's like someone's Civic with a bunch of bolt-on performance parts as opposed to something that's a racing chassis by design. And if you say that your consumer grade HP laptop has held up to all sorts of physical abuse, then it appears that the issue is more one of performance and not physical ruggedness, which was my concern when this sub-thread first started, i.e. how well will a laptop hold up to road conditions, being dropped on the floor, having cable yanked out by passing strangers, etc. TravisH On 10/26/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > And now > my personal laptop is starting to crap out and get the "blue screen of > death." I'm in trouble, because this is my music notebook...I should have > taken my wife's advice, and NEVER have bought that consumer model > notebook...bad, bad, bad...I learned a big lesson. I should have spent an > extra grand for a commercial box with an M processor, XP Pro, etc. > > Also, regarding your statement below, I might argue with that when it comes > to "some" commercial boxes. I have had my work notebook, the NC model, for > over three years, using it 10-14 hours a day...it is on 24 hours a day. I've > taken it on business trips, yanked it around to meeting rooms, dropped it in > its bag, worked on the plane where people in front of me jammed their seat > back into my display, worked in hotels, in bed when my back was hurt, > etc.....I expect this thing will easily last another two years. You are > right about the insurance, or what we like to refer to as extended > warranties in PC land, or Care Packs in HP. You'll note that with the > expensive commercial boxes like the HP NC models and IMB models, you often > get 3 year warranties. This is another reason why enterprise level companies > buy these commercial boxes. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 14:06:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53E6F3BF19; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:06:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jHUptTARmYRbwQEUVLKPMTBczFB6jAPlexJBq4eSLfyWM3F1uBTGCHbLqpyeVWHhp6Sb1jB1UD8PeHe6HYvPKvUGjkL+9sIX7HStk5r0BXX2x+cBD8QgrgJ2+EfQ/NcNEVosMV0ZbIDuQXnZu9aIx8/BVpGSzaFUPG0YVz4hTWc= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 07:06:21 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: using laptops for music In-Reply-To: <009f01c5da35$ccfe58f0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051017013533.01f0a048@mail.wightman.ca> <6.2.0.14.2.20051025102201.01fac1c8@mail.wightman.ca> <00a901c5d9b8$03189640$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0068c4d741909ac9c6de25a4bfd3ce42@suitandtieguy.com> <00d901c5d9cd$ea8ed740$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3923AC2B-6B48-42EF-9C73-44D566093FDE@boysen.se> <005301c5da2a$c93989c0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <009f01c5da35$ccfe58f0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:06:22 +0000 (UTC) So the pricier models shown on the earlier referenced websites are the commercial models, there's not another site that only corporate accounts have access to or something like that? TravisH On 10/26/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > You can't typically buy a commerical box at a retail shop. That is the > primary difference from a sales/marketing standpoint. The other is that t= hey > don't market commerical boxes to consumers, but to fortune 500 > companies...in short, the sales model for commercial PCs is direct from > company to company, not indirect from company to channel partner, to > consumer. Most consumer computer sales, with exception of Dell, occur in = a > retail shop, so most consumers unless they are web savvy like you, never > even become aware of a more robust notebook solution. They are too damn > expensive and not as commoditized. > > Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 14:16:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 978DA3BF40; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:16:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <5786abe24411b78752953c31417391ef@fuse.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: monk Subject: two OT questions Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:16:45 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: <6wOx5.A.T_G.S_4XDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:16:50 +0000 (UTC) 1) Stupid Solid State question: i just bought a replacement ac adaptor for a guitar pedal. all the specs are the same except for the wattage. the original adaptor was 45 watts the new one is only 25 watts? watts the difference? will it hurt my pedal? will the adaptor be more likely to fail? 2) i need to find a second yamaha US stomp pedal. anyone want to get rid of one? thanks monk@fuse.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 14:18:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4EC83BF43; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:18:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BzpCNH/qU24gjtx8dG9clJTciC8iKRv3mpwjq9CoPDQ2JfcVAcThVQ5qxeDEN1PYqxMvdRWcrZEsP3qj6EvZvjDq1SnrV92+pq2KnLfiNQXMTWh4SXEQfruze1MR0S4T2RzcBH8zOU0cTeeHJ8t225DRENLZzLvWK19SVtwBKxs= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 07:18:39 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: two OT questions In-Reply-To: <5786abe24411b78752953c31417391ef@fuse.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5786abe24411b78752953c31417391ef@fuse.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:18:40 +0000 (UTC) As long as your maximum wattage draw doesn't exceed 25W, you'll be fine. Adaptors are typically much larger than they need to be--check the specs for everything you're connecting to that adaptor and add it all up. Which Stomp? There's six or seven different models. TravisH On 10/26/05, monk wrote: > 1) Stupid Solid State question: i just bought a replacement ac adaptor > for a guitar pedal. all the specs are the same except for the wattage. > the original adaptor was 45 watts the new one is only 25 watts? watts > the difference? will it hurt my pedal? will the adaptor be more likely > to fail? > > 2) i need to find a second yamaha US stomp pedal. anyone want to get > rid of one? > > thanks > > monk@fuse.net > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 14:21:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CDAD3BF46; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:21:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: <5786abe24411b78752953c31417391ef@fuse.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <49044a6d1f16abd1809721df922f83c9@fuse.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: Re: two OT questions Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:20:56 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:21:01 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 26, 2005, at 10:18 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Which Stomp? There's six or seven different models. d'oh.. that was a typo.. it should have read "UD stomp" ta. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 14:25:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E4DB3BF47; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:25:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WJxRb1Zp6TKh+ydu/V4s/wH9VaYDT4I4x3q3Ty6S3wF6aykOy53KCtBDngG45PVRnot5Q8mmIVm7vfooeeaP5IhCuhwAecfw2vsgvlFb/qISDJ7Zj1V/xDCvPthk1x0zxKQ+VHpTlFir2Z2Xa37nm4Lx+TqAXgqMK7R8qdLbke8= Message-ID: <353e2ed80510260725t5ac104e1qc9bf47c9a6270250@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:25:07 +0100 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: good lord...! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:25:09 +0000 (UTC) On 10/26/05, monk wrote: > what's in the bottom rack? a switchblade? Sorry to threadjack, but I've never come across Switchblade before. I've been to http://www.soundsculpture.com/products/switchblade.htm and it seems to be *exactly* what I've been searching for. Are they expensive? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 14:28:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B0473BF4E; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:28:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20051026101240.01ed5800@mail.wightman.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:28:22 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: using laptops for music In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051017013533.01f0a048@mail.wightman.ca> <6.2.0.14.2.20051025102201.01fac1c8@mail.wightman.ca> <00a901c5d9b8$03189640$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0068c4d741909ac9c6de25a4bfd3ce42@suitandtieguy.com> <00d901c5d9cd$ea8ed740$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3923AC2B-6B48-42EF-9C73-44D566093FDE@boysen.se> <005301c5da2a$c93989c0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <009f01c5da35$ccfe58f0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5E2A4399 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:28:27 +0000 (UTC) I have to throw in my couple of cents here, I agree totally that you need to look for a commercial model. I'm still using my compaq m300 which would be about 6 or 7 yrs old. I have upgraded hard drives, cd burners, memory and OS systems over the years but the laptop itself is still chugging along. The m series was what compaq was calling their business line back then, and the other main line was the pesario which was the consumer line. Back then I chose the m300 because it had a lot more metal in the case compared to the pesario and I was touring a lot back then. You still see quite a few of these m300s on ebay working fine, but not nearly fast enough for what we want it to do, and I must say that Travis was right on when he talked about depreciation if that wants to factor into your decision. My laptop would sell for maybe $150.00, while my 3 yr old edp would fetch maybe $800.00 (which is more than I paid for it). By way of interest, at the hospital that I'm working at, they have these mobile work stations all over for the nurses that are networked etc. and they are all IBMs. They must have to stand up to a lot of abuse as they are on these small rolling stations that are just out in the halls. I know the porters are pretty rammy when rolling those beds and gurney's around, you should see the condition of the walls!!!!! When I'm wandering around the halls today I'll take a look at one and see what the specs are on it. Paul Haslem, Ontario, Canada www.dulcify.ca At 10:06 AM 10/26/2005, you wrote: >So the pricier models shown on the earlier referenced websites are the >commercial models, there's not another site that only corporate >accounts have access to or something like that? > >TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 14:29:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C88D3BED6; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:29:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lCgyske9gj3BdPgyNgEyFBjqCYkYKHA7Jr02vbIfYWb5vPJrMINra9BcNaogm0oRHUBtNmw8nDIb+ZlbvOvOCoRp0p3ZPPN7LjPpRCTZYhpwrKhOziWk+yo+4gYtUj21VhGoTSKJ7yDideFcm5tSLHMtvp0k0ozWFawFbX5kvEI= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 07:29:34 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: good lord...! In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80510260725t5ac104e1qc9bf47c9a6270250@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <353e2ed80510260725t5ac104e1qc9bf47c9a6270250@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:29:35 +0000 (UTC) Nope, they run around $3k. TravisH On 10/26/05, David Morton wrote: > On 10/26/05, monk wrote: > > what's in the bottom rack? a switchblade? > > Sorry to threadjack, but I've never come across Switchblade before. > I've been to > http://www.soundsculpture.com/products/switchblade.htm and it seems to > be *exactly* what I've been searching for. Are they expensive? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 14:34:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16C533BF40; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:34:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80510260725t5ac104e1qc9bf47c9a6270250@mail.gmail.com> References: <353e2ed80510260725t5ac104e1qc9bf47c9a6270250@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <058c236cb3c9023c65c21a6af8cefd07@fuse.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: Re: good lord...! Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:34:35 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:34:40 +0000 (UTC) well.. the prices at the the website you listed below: http://www.soundsculpture.com/ordering/webshop.htm On Oct 26, 2005, at 10:25 AM, David Morton wrote: > On 10/26/05, monk wrote: >> what's in the bottom rack? a switchblade? > > Sorry to threadjack, but I've never come across Switchblade before. > I've been to > http://www.soundsculpture.com/products/switchblade.htm and it seems to > be *exactly* what I've been searching for. Are they expensive? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 14:36:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C57E3BF4D; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:36:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WPTXScTAHQaza2btsxYnyECdLMM5w7sMCyfqX0J1RyPJpFrdZiy1/gjVirU2cokJLM4mGXnlVbaf1f29o/5oDvj5ae68T7lrTjqL1JMygMUqkiAHgy0PhSQhOgqKR8M8jPk0vQlToLxZr93FNuib7b/bqnecZRqnfFbz7/fZRzc= Message-ID: <353e2ed80510260736m49d5e579y2af858396d541657@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:36:38 +0100 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: good lord...! In-Reply-To: <058c236cb3c9023c65c21a6af8cefd07@fuse.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <353e2ed80510260725t5ac104e1qc9bf47c9a6270250@mail.gmail.com> <058c236cb3c9023c65c21a6af8cefd07@fuse.net> Resent-Message-ID: <_AVNUD.A.GsH.3R5XDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:36:40 +0000 (UTC) On 10/26/05, monk wrote: > well.. the prices at the the website you listed below: > > http://www.soundsculpture.com/ordering/webshop.htm Oh thank you, I hadn't scrolled down far enough and I missed that. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 14:42:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FB423BF4A; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:42:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: <353e2ed80510260725t5ac104e1qc9bf47c9a6270250@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6bab943ae8c4c2bf3d586d862093bb89@fuse.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: Re: good lord...! Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:42:30 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:42:40 +0000 (UTC) the basic 8 channel model that's unbalanced is around $850. i don't think that's so bad... On Oct 26, 2005, at 10:29 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Nope, they run around $3k. > > TravisH > > On 10/26/05, David Morton wrote: >> On 10/26/05, monk wrote: >>> what's in the bottom rack? a switchblade? >> >> Sorry to threadjack, but I've never come across Switchblade before. >> I've been to >> http://www.soundsculpture.com/products/switchblade.htm and it seems to >> be *exactly* what I've been searching for. Are they expensive? >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 14:53:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86D8A3BF4D; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:53:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QLinlvUvkhC6TCAfVflfkhWWLPA6NCnEcu7rNaSqXUDGR/oiWXyHollKhPvUF97LdJji/sjMWhhcsWHkvQSBJq8/csTY+DZQQMCK2h7yDOlXoiNcYTjBhav960SJb8AQF/VgZT88BHNGI0qNUS2njBT3Pdk5T8BPJODSaU6UdbM= ; Message-ID: <20051026145344.47358.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 07:53:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: good lord...! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:53:46 +0000 (UTC) No wonder he still uses it, the Roland GP100 was ahead of its time,after over 10 yrs.yet it sounds just as good or better than the GT series! i am glad i kept mine... Luis --- simeon harris wrote: > Fripp's Solar Voyager II... > > http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/diary/photos/SVIIdebut.jpg > > sim > > > > > > www.simeonharris.co.uk > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 15:14:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8FF13BF40; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:14:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b301c5da40$00953df0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051017013533.01f0a048@mail.wightman.ca> <6.2.0.14.2.20051025102201.01fac1c8@mail.wightman.ca> <00a901c5d9b8$03189640$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0068c4d741909ac9c6de25a4bfd3ce42@suitandtieguy.com> <00d901c5d9cd$ea8ed740$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3923AC2B-6B48-42EF-9C73-44D566093FDE@boysen.se> <005301c5da2a$c93989c0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <009f01c5da35$ccfe58f0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: using laptops for music Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:14:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 25, in=14186, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <3Lqd2C.A.MMB.q15XDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:14:50 +0000 (UTC) I can't say for certain for all companies, but definitely for HP. When you go to the portal, you can choose computers for either business or personal. The business option gives you the commerical models, they just don't use that term...we use it internally. But when consumers see those prices, they back right out of there. :) Of course, when companies like HP sell computers to major fortune 500 companies, they don't do it over the web, rather their sales account teams meet and negotiate price, value, etc. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 8:06 AM Subject: Re: using laptops for music So the pricier models shown on the earlier referenced websites are the commercial models, there's not another site that only corporate accounts have access to or something like that? TravisH On 10/26/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > You can't typically buy a commerical box at a retail shop. That is the > primary difference from a sales/marketing standpoint. The other is that they > don't market commerical boxes to consumers, but to fortune 500 > companies...in short, the sales model for commercial PCs is direct from > company to company, not indirect from company to channel partner, to > consumer. Most consumer computer sales, with exception of Dell, occur in a > retail shop, so most consumers unless they are web savvy like you, never > even become aware of a more robust notebook solution. They are too damn > expensive and not as commoditized. > > Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 15:46:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 299623BF2C; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:46:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <75521d8a8aa2dd2a0370928fad8f2ba5@mac.com> <1E8BD845-9454-4412-88C0-D04A74EB0A75@boysen.se> <002301c5d500$1d22bfa0$8286d255@homemain> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:42:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: myspace Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:46:33 +0000 (UTC) I'm there, too: http://www.myspace.com/davidgans -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 15:47:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 483723BF3D; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:47:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: good lord...! Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:47:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <20051026145344.47358.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcXaPRDS74P7uYyOTP2mteSWsz9uvgABt5Fg Message-ID: <0MKp2t-1EUnUZ2sPG-00043i@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:47:11 +0000 (UTC) I just sold my GP-100...It was great for pitch shifted pannable short loops, that can go backwards and forwards, and the high gain sounds are great. The cleans and semi-cleans were pretty bad though. For something that is 10 years old though, it still holds up. I replaced it with a GT-Pro, which has its own thing going on. A different effects set, but you can mangle the sound just as much or probably more. I think Fripp gets most of his 'regular guitar ' sounds from the VG-8 though. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com ! > > No wonder he still uses it, the Roland GP100 was ahead of its > time,after over 10 yrs.yet it sounds just as good or better > than the GT series! i am glad i kept mine... > Luis > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 15:51:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B48C73BF50; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:51:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <435777B8.23240.61CB66@localhost> References: <435777B8.23240.61CB66@localhost> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:46:29 -0700 To: nick@12testing.net, From: David Gans Subject: Re: myspace Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:51:57 +0000 (UTC) At 10:55 AM +0100 10/20/05, nick@12testing.net wrote: >www.myspace.com/nickrobinsonloops I enjoyed the music on this page! -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 16:27:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3C1B3BF4A; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:27:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: using laptops for music Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:28:42 +0200 Message-ID: <000e01c5da4a$546bc070$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051025203451.046ffc80@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:27:24 +0000 (UTC) >Secondly, remember, a 2.3gHz for a Centrino based notebook performs a >lot more efficiently than a 2.3gHz non-Centrino Intel based processor. >This literally screams past the MAC 1.6gHz. Did you know that MAC plans >to use Intel processors in their future desktops? Why would they do >this? Because Intil keeps pushing the edge of processor performance >and MAC wants a piece of the action. As I heard it, the PowerPC platform has been targeting an entirely different platform (automotive/industry, communications and game consoles) and as such, Apple didn't get the products they wanted/needed. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 16:29:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A5B73BF45; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:29:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: using laptops for music Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:31:15 +0200 Message-ID: <000f01c5da4a$afd93550$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <005901c5da2b$60722770$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:29:56 +0000 (UTC) ok, on with the precise comparisons: my old Athlon 1800+ outperforms my 2GHz Pentium M on music applications ;-) -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. Oktober 2005 14:47 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: using laptops for music > > Of course, if Apple really wants high performance they'll use AMD=20 > CPUs. You are kidding, right? I guess that explains why they are trying to sue Intel because Intel has the Lion's share of the market share for processors. :) Personally, I don't think they stand a chance to keep up with Intel innovation and their current partnerships, such as (historically), the Titantium Intel process that was developed in collaboration with HP and Intel for their UNIX boxes. And what they will release in the future. AMD is a major player in consumer boxes, but for commerical boxes....no way. Again, I'm biased and I'll be in the dog house if I speak otherwise. Feel free to share some market data on performance comparisons between Intel and AMD chips, etc. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 16:32:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE28B3BF51; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:32:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VBwjo0uupqoXIEv+DiAtX3Bn3YIbCTjSwwZo1ELRr03SGSezQoWTgydKFdMMe91lB7aK/IMu1AVe18pSyOocnZcSB4MBz3Kt7S8RFcLpM6HA5czg6xYx4BJ4g6bJ3EQWQbb3cUbYDhi9SGXXmYBjUUbKi0X2rNiONPOLjzNbWxw= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:32:09 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: using laptops for music In-Reply-To: <000e01c5da4a$546bc070$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051025203451.046ffc80@loopers-delight.com> <000e01c5da4a$546bc070$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:32:10 +0000 (UTC) There was also that inablity to produce a G5 that could be packaged into a Powerbook. Too hot! Too much power! TravisH On 10/26/05, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > >Secondly, remember, a 2.3gHz for a Centrino based notebook performs a > >lot more efficiently than a 2.3gHz non-Centrino Intel based processor. > > >This literally screams past the MAC 1.6gHz. Did you know that MAC plans > > >to use Intel processors in their future desktops? Why would they do > >this? Because Intil keeps pushing the edge of processor performance > >and MAC wants a piece of the action. > > As I heard it, the PowerPC platform has been targeting an entirely > different platform (automotive/industry, communications and game > consoles) and as such, Apple didn't get the products they wanted/needed. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 17:54:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4C073BF40; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:54:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <435FC2EC.209@dadaprod.org> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:54:52 +0200 From: sonic steph User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: fr, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: main difference betwween Moebius and Ableton Live References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051025203451.046ffc80@loopers-delight.com> <000e01c5da4a$546bc070$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Ovh-Remote: 81.185.81.73 () X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: fait|type 1&3|0.0|H 0.500098 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:54:54 +0000 (UTC) As trying softwares takes always a long time, I would like to know about the main difference between Moebius and AL, talking about live experience.. What I need: real-time, overdubs, several loops and possibility to switch from one to another, the possibility to use Vst intruments and all that control with a midi pedal board (I guess the behringer one) cheers sonic From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 18:00:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64FA83BF53; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:00:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20051026104633.04d8f510@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:00:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: using laptops for music In-Reply-To: <005901c5da2b$60722770$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051017013533.01f0a048@mail.wightman.ca> <018001c5d32a$be8bfe60$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20051025102201.01fac1c8@mail.wightman.ca> <00a901c5d9b8$03189640$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0068c4d741909ac9c6de25a4bfd3ce42@suitandtieguy.com> <00d901c5d9cd$ea8ed740$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20051025203451.046ffc80@loopers-delight.com> <005901c5da2b$60722770$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <_vZKlD.A.LeG.qQ8XDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:00:11 +0000 (UTC) At 05:47 AM 10/26/2005, Kris Hartung wrote: > > > > Of course, if Apple really wants high performance they'll use AMD CPUs. > >You are kidding, right? no, not at all. AMD has been leading Intel in CPU performance and features for the last couple years. Intel is not expected to even come close to catching up for at least another year. They completely dropped the ball in their R&D in the last few years. It's been analyzed to death in all the business papers, engineering technical journals, Microprocessor Report, hardware review sites, etc. Hard to miss that story. Look at any hardware review site. What are the top performance PCs? AMD 64bit cpu with Nvidia Nforce4 SLI chipsets. That's what all the gamers use, and they are the most fanatical about performance. Right now, AMD wipes the floor with Intel. And the results for AMD have been good. The business press just this week was reporting how AMD has had dramatic market share gains against Intel. > Personally, I don't think they stand a chance to keep up with Intel >innovation and their current partnerships, such as (historically), the >Titantium Intel process that was developed in collaboration with HP and >Intel for their UNIX boxes. Itanium is the correct name. That cpu is considered one of the biggest flops of the last decade. You didn't really mean that as a good example did you? Most people call it the "Itanic". anyway, sorry to drag this further off topic. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 18:19:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD8073BF56; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:19:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <019901c5da59$c28be620$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051017013533.01f0a048@mail.wightman.ca> <018001c5d32a$be8bfe60$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20051025102201.01fac1c8@mail.wightman.ca> <00a901c5d9b8$03189640$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0068c4d741909ac9c6de25a4bfd3ce42@suitandtieguy.com> <00d901c5d9cd$ea8ed740$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20051025203451.046ffc80@loopers-delight.com> <005901c5da2b$60722770$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20051026104633.04d8f510@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: using laptops for music Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:19:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 362, in=152368, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:19:13 +0000 (UTC) You must be referrinng to desktops, Kim, right?. I've seen some data as well, comparing apples to apples (no pun intended) in mobile processor technology, cache, performance, processor speed, etc...and Intel shows in the lead. But AMD clearly has the lead in desktops. Also, regarding the 64bit stuff...who the heck has 64bit apps to use that technology? Do you? Not many Send me the articles that show that AMD is beating Intil in the mobile processor space, showing the specs next to each other, etc. I am really curious to see the data, not marketing or analyst fluff. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:00 PM Subject: Re: using laptops for music > At 05:47 AM 10/26/2005, Kris Hartung wrote: > > > > > > Of course, if Apple really wants high performance they'll use AMD CPUs. > > > >You are kidding, right? > > no, not at all. AMD has been leading Intel in CPU performance and features > for the last couple years. Intel is not expected to even come close to > catching up for at least another year. They completely dropped the ball in > their R&D in the last few years. It's been analyzed to death in all the > business papers, engineering technical journals, Microprocessor Report, > hardware review sites, etc. Hard to miss that story. > > Look at any hardware review site. What are the top performance PCs? AMD > 64bit cpu with Nvidia Nforce4 SLI chipsets. That's what all the gamers use, > and they are the most fanatical about performance. Right now, AMD wipes the > floor with Intel. And the results for AMD have been good. The business > press just this week was reporting how AMD has had dramatic market share > gains against Intel. > > > Personally, I don't think they stand a chance to keep up with Intel > >innovation and their current partnerships, such as (historically), the > >Titantium Intel process that was developed in collaboration with HP and > >Intel for their UNIX boxes. > > Itanium is the correct name. That cpu is considered one of the biggest > flops of the last decade. You didn't really mean that as a good example did > you? Most people call it the "Itanic". > > anyway, sorry to drag this further off topic. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 18:34:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8004E3BF45; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:34:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <435FC2EC.209@dadaprod.org> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051025203451.046ffc80@loopers-delight.com> <000e01c5da4a$546bc070$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <435FC2EC.209@dadaprod.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: main difference betwween Moebius and Ableton Live Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:34:55 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:34:59 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 26, 2005, at 19:54, sonic steph wrote: > As trying softwares takes always a long time, I would like to know > about the main difference between Moebius and AL, talking about > live experience.. > What I need: > real-time, Both M and AL are probably "real-time", but the answer is up to what you mean with "real-time". > overdubs, The very essence of M. Not possible in AL. AL draws on the concept of recording many loops and having them play back as they were recorded, or mangled by inserted effects. You can not overdub many layers into a loop, only record many parallel loops - but that may give similar results. > several loops and possibility to switch from one to another, You can do that in both appl's. > the possibility to use Vst intruments Easy in AL. AL has two kind of channels with associated sequencer- and mixer tracks: (1) MIDI and (2) Audio. To play a VSTi you open it on a MIDI Track and play a MIDI keyboard. M can not host VSTi. > and all that control with a midi pedal board (I guess the behringer > one) Possible with both M and AL. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 18:43:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13E5E3BF60; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:43:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:43:04 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: main difference betwween Moebius and Ableton Live In-reply-to: <435FC2EC.209@dadaprod.org> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <435FCE38.4040907@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051025203451.046ffc80@loopers-delight.com> <000e01c5da4a$546bc070$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <435FC2EC.209@dadaprod.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:43:09 +0000 (UTC) sonic steph wrote: > As trying softwares takes always a long time, I would like to know about > the main difference between Moebius and AL, talking about live experience.. Well, for starters they're really quite different things. Mobius is a VST plugin that does looping and some people actually run it inside Ableton Live. Live is large powerful commercial application that does too many things to list here, but it is basically an audio/midi sequencer designed for live use as opposed to a "studio" sequencer like Sonar, Cubase, Logic, etc. > What I need: > real-time, overdubs, several loops and possibility to switch from one to > another, the possibility to use Vst intruments The last one is key. Mobius is not a VST host so you cannot run a VST instrument inside it. You can combine Mobius with a VST instrument by running them both in another host, such as Bidule, EnergyXT, or AudioMulch but you will have more things to assemble. Live is a powerful VST host and can run instruments and effects as well as loop. There is some overlap in their looping capabilities, but they take different approaches. Mobius offers more control over how the loop is constructed, Live has more control over how the loop is mutated and arranged with other loops. Mobius is a young freeware "beta" product that may frighten you on stage. Live is a stable expensive commercial product. Without knowing more about how you want to loop its hard to make a recommendation. Are any of the following things important? first loop capability ending a record with overdub multiply & insert "glitch" looping free form "ambient" looping with overdub decay If you don't know what those are or don't care, then you probably want Live. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 18:51:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D218E3BF5B; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:51:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051025203451.046ffc80@loopers-delight.com> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051017013533.01f0a048@mail.wightman.ca> <018001c5d32a$be8bfe60$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20051025102201.01fac1c8@mail.wightman.ca> <00a901c5d9b8$03189640$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0068c4d741909ac9c6de25a4bfd3ce42@suitandtieguy.com> <00d901c5d9cd$ea8ed740$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20051025203451.046ffc80@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <936cdc4873ebc8959d275a25ed4e7f68@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: using laptops for music Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:51:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: <0sTPcB.A.g2H.jA9XDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:51:15 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 26, 2005, at 3:25 AM, Kim Flint wrote: > Of course, if Apple really wants high performance they'll use AMD CPUs. Apple wants a co-operative chip manufacturer. Intel was _delighted_ to get the Apple account (foreshadowing: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05/26/otellini_buy_apple/ ), in contrast to IBM not really caring too much about their PPC partner. Intel has a limitless fab capability. that also means alot to Apple ... they were having yield issues. so yes Kim you're right, if they _just_ want performance they'd go with AMD. but they'd have to take a number, and Intel seems to like them. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 19:54:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17AE63BF3B; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:54:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <435FDEE6.2030902@dadaprod.org> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:54:14 +0200 From: sonic steph User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: fr, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: main difference betwween Moebius and Ableton Live References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051025203451.046ffc80@loopers-delight.com> <000e01c5da4a$546bc070$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <435FC2EC.209@dadaprod.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Ovh-Remote: 81.185.81.73 () X-Ovh-Local: 213.186.33.20 (ns0.ovh.net) X-Spam-Check: fait|type 1&3|0.0|H 0.501124 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:54:13 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen a écrit : > On Oct 26, 2005, at 19:54, sonic steph wrote: > >> As trying softwares takes always a long time, I would like to know >> about the main difference between Moebius and AL, talking about live >> experience.. >> What I need: >> real-time, > > > Both M and AL are probably "real-time", but the answer is up to what > you mean with "real-time". > I just mean when you stop to record the loop, the loop is played without delay - like for a classic "loop pedal" (the boomerang I have does this very fine..) sonic From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 20:29:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 721C93BF13; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:29:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: good lord...! Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:29:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:29:03 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 26, 2005, at 5:18 AM, simeon harris wrote: > http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/diary/photos/SVIIdebut.jpg looks like Fripp gave up on that whole laptop guitar rig idea. Keith Emerson had a wall of Leslies ... Klaus Schulze had a wall of Moog ... the Chovits had a wall of EDP ... Robert Fripp has a wall of Eventide. i for one am jealous of his new rig. 4 The Knobs ... 110 buttons ... 20 multisegment LED signal meters ... 714 seconds of cumulative delay time. i'm very curious as to the details of his looping programmes on the H8000s and why he would need 2 of them. is he using factory presets or custom presets? Italo? --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 20:38:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D3833BF2A; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:38:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01ca01c5da6d$2c3c0ab0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051017013533.01f0a048@mail.wightman.ca> <018001c5d32a$be8bfe60$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20051025102201.01fac1c8@mail.wightman.ca> <00a901c5d9b8$03189640$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0068c4d741909ac9c6de25a4bfd3ce42@suitandtieguy.com> <00d901c5d9cd$ea8ed740$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20051025203451.046ffc80@loopers-delight.com> <936cdc4873ebc8959d275a25ed4e7f68@suitandtieguy.com> Subject: Re: using laptops for music Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:38:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 25, in=14535, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:38:10 +0000 (UTC) > so yes Kim you're right, if they _just_ want performance they'd go with > AMD. but they'd have to take a number, and Intel seems to like them. I think it is more complicated than this. There is a lot of comparison data and tests out there, but not all of them compare apples with apples, and it is even difficult to compare apples with apples anyway...and when/if you are able to, they may fair differently in different orchards. For instance, comparing just processor speed may be comparing apples to apples, but from a performances standpoint, it's about the systems and how they fair in different usability contexts. When you compare one PC performance with another, there are many ways to do this using different benchmarks. Desktop? Notebook? For which applications? For which users? Commercial or Consumer? etc If we are talking mobile notebook computers, neither Intel nor AMD is beating the other across the board on ALL the benchmarks, meaning using all the possible criteria, usage models, markets, customer satisfaction indexes, etc. All these performance tests assume a specific set of criteria. They control the parameters and select a set of criteria and benchmark where one system out-performs another other, but you can easily change the usage model or criteria and get different results, where your criteria is not how fast the processor is or how well the system performs in some specific context (like gaming), but how well does it perform with business apps, different environments, etc Basically, what I'm saying is, after we get past the AMD/Intel/Apples dick measuring contests, that there are two sides to the story depending on the context....this makes it difficult to make generalizations like A is flat out better than B, when there a hundreds of contexts to test this, and hundreds of ways to represent A and B. Bringing this back to looping, one acid test is to get some of these systems that claim to compete with each other (like an IBM, HP, and Dell with both Centino and AMD processors, an Apple, etc), based on similar specs (RAM, relative processor speed, etc), load them up with the same applications, like a VST host (EnergyXT, Plogue, Chainer, etc), the same VST effects, and the same looping software (e.g., Mobius)...and then let's see what happens. Has anyone done this? Until someone does, we just have to base our choices on what others are using in our looping community. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 21:02:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFC4E3BF3C; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:02:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <01ca01c5da6d$2c3c0ab0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051017013533.01f0a048@mail.wightman.ca> <018001c5d32a$be8bfe60$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20051025102201.01fac1c8@mail.wightman.ca> <00a901c5d9b8$03189640$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0068c4d741909ac9c6de25a4bfd3ce42@suitandtieguy.com> <00d901c5d9cd$ea8ed740$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20051025203451.046ffc80@loopers-delight.com> <936cdc4873ebc8959d275a25ed4e7f68@suitandtieguy.com> <01ca01c5da6d$2c3c0ab0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <927E35D5-5ACA-4DE0-8C72-26A94E9A1F18@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: using laptops for music Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:02:32 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:02:36 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 26, 2005, at 22:38, Kris Hartung wrote: > Bringing this back to looping, one acid test is to get some of > these systems > that claim to compete with each other (like an IBM, HP, and Dell > with both > Centino and AMD processors, an Apple, etc), based on similar specs > (RAM, > relative processor speed, etc), load them up with the same > applications, > like a VST host (EnergyXT, Plogue, Chainer, etc), the same VST > effects, and > the same looping software (e.g., Mobius)...and then let's see what > happens. > Has anyone done this? A lot can be learned from the "Live 5 Performance Test" at the Live forum: http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24715&highlight=live+five +performance+test Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 21:10:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D44C3BF2C; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:10:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <020601c5da71$a3fd4010$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051017013533.01f0a048@mail.wightman.ca> <018001c5d32a$be8bfe60$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20051025102201.01fac1c8@mail.wightman.ca> <00a901c5d9b8$03189640$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0068c4d741909ac9c6de25a4bfd3ce42@suitandtieguy.com> <00d901c5d9cd$ea8ed740$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20051025203451.046ffc80@loopers-delight.com> <936cdc4873ebc8959d275a25ed4e7f68@suitandtieguy.com> <01ca01c5da6d$2c3c0ab0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <927E35D5-5ACA-4DE0-8C72-26A94E9A1F18@boysen.se> Subject: Re: using laptops for music Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:10:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 25, in=14560, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <-MjRyC.A.DoE.xC_XDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:10:09 +0000 (UTC) Nice. I'll check it out. They did similar tests for DigiDesign mBox....on their user group. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 3:02 PM Subject: Re: using laptops for music > On Oct 26, 2005, at 22:38, Kris Hartung wrote: > > > Bringing this back to looping, one acid test is to get some of > > these systems > > that claim to compete with each other (like an IBM, HP, and Dell > > with both > > Centino and AMD processors, an Apple, etc), based on similar specs > > (RAM, > > relative processor speed, etc), load them up with the same > > applications, > > like a VST host (EnergyXT, Plogue, Chainer, etc), the same VST > > effects, and > > the same looping software (e.g., Mobius)...and then let's see what > > happens. > > Has anyone done this? > > > A lot can be learned from the "Live 5 Performance Test" at the Live > forum: > http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24715&highlight=live+five > +performance+test > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 21:39:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 625433BF29; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:39:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Dc45pWHVrsardyjMdaVCQuK68wEyx9XEkeaPBlxZg0iv/D9ylj3n0ngPZn64Ohcz+hAaeOGbu1uDdAavUfusP+6X/UvTuB/pid/9wump08w8HoCyhOtyc52xJvjbc3nnDe3VCZUVy9hVFhB+BW9gZPItNRq4Io8my/LZTgkqzHQ= ; Message-ID: <20051026213941.99034.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:39:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: roland boss amp simulators To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0MKp2t-1EUnUZ2sPG-00043i@mrelay.perfora.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <9A2vnC.A.5SF.fe_XDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:39:43 +0000 (UTC) this is true the GT-series do a better Job on the clean simulations but i had a hard time setting the right levels with the GT-8.I find The GP-100´s preamp much easier to set,with the GT series you have Patch level,amp gain level,master level,stomp box gain and volume level and effects level.I spent most of the time trying dealing with that and the fact that you have too many output configurations to choose from,line,combo,combo return,stack etc... after a week i returned it.I wanted it for its compact convenience and to do all the bells and whistles demanded, but i ended up with pedals and amp again...the ME-50 looks like it only has efx and no amp sims,anyone tried it yet? Luis > cleans and semi-cleans were pretty bad though. For > something that is 10 > years old though, it still holds up. I replaced it > with a GT-Pro, which has > its own thing going on. A different effects set, but > you can mangle the > sound just as much or probably more. I think Fripp > gets most of his 'regular > guitar ' sounds from the VG-8 though. > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > ! > > > > No wonder he still uses it, the Roland GP100 was > ahead of its > > time,after over 10 yrs.yet it sounds just as good > or better > > than the GT series! i am glad i kept mine... > > Luis > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 21:44:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC85A3BF1D; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:44:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.203.132.130] X-Originating-Email: [pushingair@hotmail.com] X-Sender: pushingair@hotmail.com From: "Diana Thompson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Introducing... Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:44:27 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2005 21:44:27.0460 (UTC) FILETIME=[7046A040:01C5DA76] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:44:29 +0000 (UTC)

    Greetings,

    I'm new this list and fairly new to looping. My music is based out of jazz, blues, and African traditions. I use only voice, a delay pedal, and a looping pedal. My favorite recent comment: "Reminds me a little of Meredith Monk, but with more substance."

    I've uploaded files from some recent live shows. Please take a listen to some of my tracks when you get a chance and let me know your impressions.

    www.pushingair.com/music

    Thanks!

    Pushing Air
    Diana Thompson
    Vocalist, Composer, Improvisor
    www.pushingair.com


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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 22:34:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83C673BF24; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:34:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=eyrYKHlRkl9WZ3X9aoY8uUAyh0xJV7KKh/OR3gLpnHnCueSuoudbaEY9qMMmZa/pgreZAjnptu0Gcf3zFYR2PUSqdgTygNscRY3tB4Fz89IWc4qeUw/KWN0bzn0btzDVfPkFpPAS8Cah/W5rok1zvrv0iKrGt0/jzlP+5nNO+d8= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:34:16 -0400 From: Jesse Chappell Sender: essejlc@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: can u run multiple sooper loopers? In-Reply-To: <435E59FE.5030500@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051025025619.6F1163BF22@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051025084600.02dd22c0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <765ee21c77667f6dd0fddb051876e4db@bluecocoa.co.uk> <2E111AA2-87D9-49CC-9807-05BBEC03766D@boysen.se> <435E59FE.5030500@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:34:18 +0000 (UTC) On 10/25/05, Jeff Larson wrote: > Per Boysen wrote: > > When I tried that I found that the > > timing is never recorded exactly as I play it for the first loop round= . > > All following overdubs are fine though, but the first loop is always > > sucking. Probably because of the latency involved in triggering with > > the midi pedal > > I'm going to hazard a guess that this is due to the lack of audio input > latency compensation. A common error with MIDI controlled recording > software is to begin and end recording *immediately* after the MIDI > event is received. This sounds correct, you want to handle that event > as quickly as possible to avoid "midi latency" right? But actually > you don't. .... > So, I believe there is no reason why properly written software cannot com= pensate > for MIDI latency during *recording*. Triggering of loops for playback is= a > completely different problem and I won't bore everyone with the details > (unless I'm asked :-). Absolutely right. SL has no proper latency compensation yet, but it is on my short list. Thanks Jeff for describing the situation so clearly :) jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Oct 26 23:31:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F403D3BF13; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:30:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=clEkBKZ5ILe/awaiqTZ8XCCDTRg83FVnZNG8dC6AaIRQf1qAUSbGqBBD3me95e5PXnAvqH1K3n9aYGZn2yJX4jlJRdXW0ODYErOImw5shaxhwe9g3Hf+VZ/VWueXEvwkCVJ8hVjke+vDNgO7A95h5yj1c/AwDe+CYtSFFmSJuWk= ; Message-ID: <20051026233058.16508.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:30:57 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Introducing... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:30:59 +0000 (UTC) Nice! Very good to hear voice looped in an interesting way. --- Diana Thompson wrote: __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 00:02:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C81A3BF15; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 00:02:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:08:05 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Introducing... To: Message-id: <001001c5da8a$81e90040$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C5DA68.FA497820" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: <1yxnHC.A.V7B.CkBYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 00:02:10 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C5DA68.FA497820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Welcome! A Meredith Monk comparison is very nice to receive! = Congratulations. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Diana Thompson=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 5:44 PM Subject: Introducing... Greetings,=20 I'm new this list and fairly new to looping. My music is based out of = jazz, blues, and African traditions. I use only voice, a delay pedal, = and a looping pedal. My favorite recent comment: "Reminds me a little of = Meredith Monk, but with more substance."=20 I've uploaded files from some recent live shows. Please take a listen = to some of my tracks when you get a chance and let me know your = impressions.=20 www.pushingair.com/music Thanks!=20 Pushing Air Diana Thompson Vocalist, Composer, Improvisor www.pushingair.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Find e-mail, documents and more on your PC instantly with Windows = Desktop Search-FREE! ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C5DA68.FA497820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Welcome!   A Meredith Monk = comparison is=20 very nice to receive!  Congratulations.
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Diana=20 Thompson
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, October 26, = 2005 5:44=20 PM
    Subject: Introducing...

    Greetings,

    I'm new this list and fairly new to looping. My music is based out = of jazz,=20 blues, and African traditions. I use only voice, a delay pedal, and a = looping=20 pedal. My favorite recent comment: "Reminds me a little of Meredith = Monk, but=20 with more substance."

    I've uploaded files from some recent live shows. Please take a = listen=20 to some of my tracks when you get a chance and let me know your=20 impressions.

    www.pushingair.com/music

    =

    Thanks!

    Pushing=20 Air
    Diana=20 Thompson
    Vocalist, Composer, Improvisor
    www.pushingair.com

    Find e-mail,=20 documents and more on your PC instantly with Windows Desktop = Search=96FREE!=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C5DA68.FA497820-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 00:07:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D5B23BF0F; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 00:07:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:13:39 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: using laptops for music To: Message-id: <001101c5da8b$485eaa40$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051017013533.01f0a048@mail.wightman.ca> <018001c5d32a$be8bfe60$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20051025102201.01fac1c8@mail.wightman.ca> <00a901c5d9b8$03189640$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0068c4d741909ac9c6de25a4bfd3ce42@suitandtieguy.com> <00d901c5d9cd$ea8ed740$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20051025203451.046ffc80@loopers-delight.com> <005901c5da2b$60722770$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20051026104633.04d8f510@loopers-delight.com> <019901c5da59$c28be620$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 00:07:43 +0000 (UTC) Say after me....dual-core, sixty-four... It's the wave of the future. Soon, I will advise not to buy any high-end PC that is not 64-Bit capable. It will be like buying NT on the day XP was released. Are there (m)any - applications that leverage that power today? The answer is YES -- but they are currently running on UNIX-boxes. Remember, not so many years ago, PCs didn't run 32-bit applications, too. Check out these charts: http://www.zdnet.com.au/shared/images/products/intel_amd_vs8.gif http://www.passmark.com/cpureview/pics/cpuspeed_mmx_add6.gif http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/intel%20pentium%204%20570j_111304101117/5454.png David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 2:19 PM Subject: Re: using laptops for music > You must be referrinng to desktops, Kim, right?. I've seen some data as > well, comparing apples to apples (no pun intended) in mobile processor > technology, cache, performance, processor speed, etc...and Intel shows in > the lead. But AMD clearly has the lead in desktops. Also, regarding the > 64bit stuff...who the heck has 64bit apps to use that technology? Do you? > Not many > > Send me the articles that show that AMD is beating Intil in the mobile > processor space, showing the specs next to each other, etc. I am really > curious to see the data, not marketing or analyst fluff. > > Kris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kim Flint" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:00 PM > Subject: Re: using laptops for music > > > > At 05:47 AM 10/26/2005, Kris Hartung wrote: > > > > > > > > Of course, if Apple really wants high performance they'll use AMD > CPUs. > > > > > >You are kidding, right? > > > > no, not at all. AMD has been leading Intel in CPU performance and features > > for the last couple years. Intel is not expected to even come close to > > catching up for at least another year. They completely dropped the ball in > > their R&D in the last few years. It's been analyzed to death in all the > > business papers, engineering technical journals, Microprocessor Report, > > hardware review sites, etc. Hard to miss that story. > > > > Look at any hardware review site. What are the top performance PCs? AMD > > 64bit cpu with Nvidia Nforce4 SLI chipsets. That's what all the gamers > use, > > and they are the most fanatical about performance. Right now, AMD wipes > the > > floor with Intel. And the results for AMD have been good. The business > > press just this week was reporting how AMD has had dramatic market share > > gains against Intel. > > > > > Personally, I don't think they stand a chance to keep up with Intel > > >innovation and their current partnerships, such as (historically), the > > >Titantium Intel process that was developed in collaboration with HP and > > >Intel for their UNIX boxes. > > > > Itanium is the correct name. That cpu is considered one of the biggest > > flops of the last decade. You didn't really mean that as a good example > did > > you? Most people call it the "Itanic". > > > > anyway, sorry to drag this further off topic. > > > > kim > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 00:28:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD0803BF1D; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 00:28:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=KAJb50wG2w4XtLdZVikWqjrdBZagCSodAkEZkWuSlWeN2QYpMd5SzAv2o+6hgEiuzwIivRrGqhR0elOQ3YZd8CGEUCGKxsEugQvMhcNC1sW+TgwFD64HkocEkrsspFc+0W2g61zR5vkLF4T8h3sg3PqPeijcpxHmvrm4eUMwRD8= ; Message-ID: <20051027002836.9105.qmail@web30509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:28:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Looping back to Krispen's old critics thread (was sorta: using laptops for music" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <01ca01c5da6d$2c3c0ab0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <8it0W.A.2gC.18BYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 00:28:37 +0000 (UTC) yIKES! I just found this and found it somewhat amusing, scary and, what's more, fairly on-topic. :P -t- np: zoë keating: one cello x 16: natoma cued up: the twin atlas: sun township later: miles davis: agharta then: einojuhani rautavaara: cantus arcticus maybe, probably: pseudo buddha: motive followed by: robert rich: somnium __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 00:58:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 185213BF15; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 00:58:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01b601c5da91$7d9866a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: LOOP QUOTATIONS/ANECDOTES Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:58:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <7UVXCB.A.tND.aYCYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 00:58:02 +0000 (UTC) I got this quotation from a new friend of mine online today and loved it and thought it was quite appropos for the work we all do. It made me think............it would be cool to start a thread and start a collection of either quotations or anecdotes that are relevant to the looping world: Here's one to start it off: You have noticed that everything an Indian does is in a circle, and that is because the Power of the World always works in circles, and everything tries to be round.....The Sky is round, and I have heard that the Earth is round like a ball, and so are all the stars. The Wind, in its greatest power, whirls. Birds make their nest in circles, for theirs is the same religion as ours.... Even the seasons form a great circle in their changing, and always come back again to where they were. The life of a man is a circle from childhood to childhood, and so it is in everything where power moves. ~Black Elk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 01:31:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C9EB3BF1D; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 01:31:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <020701c5da96$1988ea40$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Introducing... Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:31:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 01:31:09 +0000 (UTC) Just wanted to say that I saw Diana's performance at Y2K5 and I think we are really lucky to have her as a new member of our community. That Meredith Monk comparison is apt, but she brings her own unique take on things to her acapella performances. Welcome Diana!!!! Mark Sottilaro, by the way, lives in your city. You guys should get to know each other. You are both very, very creative looping artists..............it would be cool to hear you collaborate (assuming that sounds like a good idea to you both). yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 01:44:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E21453BF2C; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 01:44:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <022c01c5da97$ed6c1ed0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051017013533.01f0a048@mail.wightman.ca> <018001c5d32a$be8bfe60$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20051025102201.01fac1c8@mail.wightman.ca> <00a901c5d9b8$03189640$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0068c4d741909ac9c6de25a4bfd3ce42@suitandtieguy.com> <00d901c5d9cd$ea8ed740$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20051025203451.046ffc80@loopers-delight.com> <005901c5da2b$60722770$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20051026104633.04d8f510@loopers-delight.com> <019901c5da59$c28be620$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <001101c5da8b$485eaa40$0affff0a@hppav> Subject: Re: using laptops for music Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:44:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 362, in=152728, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 01:44:14 +0000 (UTC) And so the new buying frenzie will begin....but for those of us who use an "If it ain't broke than don't fix it" approach, then we'll of course be running our frail little 32 bit apps on a 64 bit architecture as long we can and until nothing left in the market that is backwards compatible. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 6:13 PM Subject: Re: using laptops for music > Say after me....dual-core, sixty-four... It's the wave of the future. > Soon, I will advise not to buy any high-end PC that is not 64-Bit capable. > It will be like buying NT on the day XP was released. > > Are there (m)any - applications that leverage that power today? The answer > is YES -- but they are currently running on UNIX-boxes. Remember, not so > many years ago, PCs didn't run 32-bit applications, too. > > Check out these charts: > > http://www.zdnet.com.au/shared/images/products/intel_amd_vs8.gif > http://www.passmark.com/cpureview/pics/cpuspeed_mmx_add6.gif > http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/intel%20pentium%204%20570j_111304101117/5454.png > > David > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kris Hartung" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 2:19 PM > Subject: Re: using laptops for music > > > > You must be referrinng to desktops, Kim, right?. I've seen some data as > > well, comparing apples to apples (no pun intended) in mobile processor > > technology, cache, performance, processor speed, etc...and Intel shows in > > the lead. But AMD clearly has the lead in desktops. Also, regarding the > > 64bit stuff...who the heck has 64bit apps to use that technology? Do you? > > Not many > > > > Send me the articles that show that AMD is beating Intil in the mobile > > processor space, showing the specs next to each other, etc. I am really > > curious to see the data, not marketing or analyst fluff. > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kim Flint" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:00 PM > > Subject: Re: using laptops for music > > > > > > > At 05:47 AM 10/26/2005, Kris Hartung wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Of course, if Apple really wants high performance they'll use AMD > > CPUs. > > > > > > > >You are kidding, right? > > > > > > no, not at all. AMD has been leading Intel in CPU performance and > features > > > for the last couple years. Intel is not expected to even come close to > > > catching up for at least another year. They completely dropped the ball > in > > > their R&D in the last few years. It's been analyzed to death in all the > > > business papers, engineering technical journals, Microprocessor Report, > > > hardware review sites, etc. Hard to miss that story. > > > > > > Look at any hardware review site. What are the top performance PCs? AMD > > > 64bit cpu with Nvidia Nforce4 SLI chipsets. That's what all the gamers > > use, > > > and they are the most fanatical about performance. Right now, AMD wipes > > the > > > floor with Intel. And the results for AMD have been good. The business > > > press just this week was reporting how AMD has had dramatic market share > > > gains against Intel. > > > > > > > Personally, I don't think they stand a chance to keep up with Intel > > > >innovation and their current partnerships, such as (historically), the > > > >Titantium Intel process that was developed in collaboration with HP and > > > >Intel for their UNIX boxes. > > > > > > Itanium is the correct name. That cpu is considered one of the biggest > > > flops of the last decade. You didn't really mean that as a good example > > did > > > you? Most people call it the "Itanic". > > > > > > anyway, sorry to drag this further off topic. > > > > > > kim > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 02:01:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E3193BF20; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 02:01:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:07:09 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: using laptops for music To: Message-id: <004001c5da9b$23bcf7e0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051017013533.01f0a048@mail.wightman.ca> <018001c5d32a$be8bfe60$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20051025102201.01fac1c8@mail.wightman.ca> <00a901c5d9b8$03189640$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0068c4d741909ac9c6de25a4bfd3ce42@suitandtieguy.com> <00d901c5d9cd$ea8ed740$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20051025203451.046ffc80@loopers-delight.com> <005901c5da2b$60722770$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20051026104633.04d8f510@loopers-delight.com> <019901c5da59$c28be620$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <001101c5da8b$485eaa40$0affff0a@hppav> <022c01c5da97$ed6c1ed0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 02:01:45 +0000 (UTC) Exactly! After all, I'm typing this with a PC running Windows ME!!!!! And yes, none of the software I bought a few years ago is getting updated on ME. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Hartung" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:44 PM Subject: Re: using laptops for music > And so the new buying frenzie will begin....but for those of us who use an > "If it ain't broke than don't fix it" approach, then we'll of course be > running our frail little 32 bit apps on a 64 bit architecture as long we can > and until nothing left in the market that is backwards compatible. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Kirkdorffer" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 6:13 PM > Subject: Re: using laptops for music > > > > Say after me....dual-core, sixty-four... It's the wave of the future. > > Soon, I will advise not to buy any high-end PC that is not 64-Bit capable. > > It will be like buying NT on the day XP was released. > > > > Are there (m)any - applications that leverage that power today? The > answer > > is YES -- but they are currently running on UNIX-boxes. Remember, not so > > many years ago, PCs didn't run 32-bit applications, too. > > > > Check out these charts: > > > > http://www.zdnet.com.au/shared/images/products/intel_amd_vs8.gif > > http://www.passmark.com/cpureview/pics/cpuspeed_mmx_add6.gif > > > http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/intel%20pentium%204%20570j_111304101117/5454.png > > > > David > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kris Hartung" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 2:19 PM > > Subject: Re: using laptops for music > > > > > > > You must be referrinng to desktops, Kim, right?. I've seen some data as > > > well, comparing apples to apples (no pun intended) in mobile processor > > > technology, cache, performance, processor speed, etc...and Intel shows > in > > > the lead. But AMD clearly has the lead in desktops. Also, regarding the > > > 64bit stuff...who the heck has 64bit apps to use that technology? Do > you? > > > Not many > > > > > > Send me the articles that show that AMD is beating Intil in the mobile > > > processor space, showing the specs next to each other, etc. I am really > > > curious to see the data, not marketing or analyst fluff. > > > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Kim Flint" > > > To: > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 12:00 PM > > > Subject: Re: using laptops for music > > > > > > > > > > At 05:47 AM 10/26/2005, Kris Hartung wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, if Apple really wants high performance they'll use AMD > > > CPUs. > > > > > > > > > >You are kidding, right? > > > > > > > > no, not at all. AMD has been leading Intel in CPU performance and > > features > > > > for the last couple years. Intel is not expected to even come close to > > > > catching up for at least another year. They completely dropped the > ball > > in > > > > their R&D in the last few years. It's been analyzed to death in all > the > > > > business papers, engineering technical journals, Microprocessor > Report, > > > > hardware review sites, etc. Hard to miss that story. > > > > > > > > Look at any hardware review site. What are the top performance PCs? > AMD > > > > 64bit cpu with Nvidia Nforce4 SLI chipsets. That's what all the gamers > > > use, > > > > and they are the most fanatical about performance. Right now, AMD > wipes > > > the > > > > floor with Intel. And the results for AMD have been good. The business > > > > press just this week was reporting how AMD has had dramatic market > share > > > > gains against Intel. > > > > > > > > > Personally, I don't think they stand a chance to keep up with > Intel > > > > >innovation and their current partnerships, such as (historically), > the > > > > >Titantium Intel process that was developed in collaboration with HP > and > > > > >Intel for their UNIX boxes. > > > > > > > > Itanium is the correct name. That cpu is considered one of the biggest > > > > flops of the last decade. You didn't really mean that as a good > example > > > did > > > > you? Most people call it the "Itanic". > > > > > > > > anyway, sorry to drag this further off topic. > > > > > > > > kim > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 02:27:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DE3A3BF1D; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 02:27:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:27:08 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: can u run multiple sooper loopers? In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43603AFC.3080504@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20051025025619.6F1163BF22@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051025084600.02dd22c0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <765ee21c77667f6dd0fddb051876e4db@bluecocoa.co.uk> <2E111AA2-87D9-49CC-9807-05BBEC03766D@boysen.se> <435E59FE.5030500@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_o5FNB.A.bAG.BsDYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 02:27:13 +0000 (UTC) Jesse Chappell wrote: > Absolutely right. SL has no proper latency compensation yet, but it > is on my short list. > Thanks Jeff for describing the situation so clearly :) I tend to drone on about things I'm interested in, so I want to make sure it is understood that the purpose of my post was not to point out flaws in SooperLooper, but to address some of the concerns that have been raised recently about "software" as a viable alternative to "hardware". There are certainly things that we can't do as well in software, but in the area of recording accuracy we can do a pretty good job. The SooperLooper thread just gave me a chance to blather about that :-) Thanks. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 03:16:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23E023BF1B; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 03:16:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,255,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="110124655:sNHT21474032" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emilet@pop.rcn.com Message-Id: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:15:12 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance @ Zeitgeist Gallery, Cambridge MA 10.30.05 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 03:16:59 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I'll be doing video improvisations at the Zeitgeist Gallery in Cambridge @ THE ZEITGEIST GALLERY 1353 Cambridge St. Inman Sq. Cambridge 69 Bus from Harvard Gate NEW PHONE: 617.876.6060 http://www.zeitgeist-gallery.org/ -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 03:25:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2F0D3BF1D; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 03:25:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: Sol Caribe@ Don Quixote's Oct 29 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:24:13 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 03:25:33 +0000 (UTC) Hey Gang I've been playing with this fun Calypso/Reggae/African band, whew thats a lot of /, We will be playing at Don Quixote's On Saturday Night, October 29th. Come out and get your groove on! Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 03:26:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A07613BF24; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 03:26:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20051026231721.01f6fa18@mail.wightman.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:26:49 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: new tunes In-Reply-To: <43603AFC.3080504@sun.com> References: <20051025025619.6F1163BF22@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051025084600.02dd22c0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <765ee21c77667f6dd0fddb051876e4db@bluecocoa.co.uk> <2E111AA2-87D9-49CC-9807-05BBEC03766D@boysen.se> <435E59FE.5030500@sun.com> <43603AFC.3080504@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4119116B Resent-Message-ID: <4k01zB.A.twH.9jEYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 03:26:53 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I don't know if any of you have had a chance to listen to the new tunes I posted on my web site yet ( http://members.tripod.com/Dulcimer_Traditions/newstuff.htm ) but I am interested in feedback.... of the non screeching type.... If you listen to some of my older work you'll see that this is a fairly significant departure in style from earlier recordings. I live out in rural Ontario, a place that I love, but the folks out here just hear it as sort of noise... I'm hoping for a more receptive audience when I play in Toronto in a couple of weeks. If you're reluctant to post your comments in the forum, drop me a line at Thanks, Paul Haslem Ontario, Canada www.dulcify.ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 03:36:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 248FE3BF2D; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 03:36:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <026501c5daa7$8f603e10$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20051027002836.9105.qmail@web30509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Looping back to Krispen's old critics thread (was sorta: using laptops for music" Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:36:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 362, in=152784, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 03:36:08 +0000 (UTC) Oh yes, another poor and innocent virgin listener, violated by the horrific maw of experimental music...and of course, he feels compelled to share his experience with the world. :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 6:28 PM Subject: Looping back to Krispen's old critics thread (was sorta: using laptops for music" > yIKES! > > I just found this and found it somewhat amusing, scary > and, what's more, fairly on-topic. :P > > > > -t- > > np: zoë keating: one cello x 16: natoma > > cued up: the twin atlas: sun township > > later: miles davis: agharta > > then: einojuhani rautavaara: cantus arcticus > > maybe, probably: pseudo buddha: motive > > followed by: robert rich: somnium > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 04:35:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 087FA3BF15; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 04:35:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <196.4a1c9223.3091b31d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 00:35:41 EDT Subject: Re: new tunes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_196.4a1c9223.3091b31d_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 04:35:46 +0000 (UTC) --part1_196.4a1c9223.3091b31d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, Okay, i'll bite. If anyone had asked me to name the least-likely-=20 to-be-looped instrument and possibly the least-likely-to-be-looped music I might've said it would be something like mountain dulcimer=20 and old Shaker hymns. There! I said it. But what you've done sounds=20 quite fine and rather more interesting than just the novel material=20 "Simple Gifts" and instumentation (so stated) would suggest. The other tune on there, "The Gorge," sounds like dulcimer doing=20 vaguely Balinese gamelan type music along with some digeridoo --- at least it starts out that way. Quite nice. Seems like there might be a some guitar in there too . . . and Tabla. You ought to pester Rick=20 Walker to let you come down to Santa Cruz next year and perform.=20 Heck if you have a penchant for hymnody, I kicked off my Y2K3 set this year with a brief quote ofJean Sibelius "Finlandia" -- which in a completely different context is also the white-bread protestant hymn=20 "Be Still My Soul."=20 It takes all sorts to make a world an you'll find many of them in the=20 "looping community" as well. Welcome aboard. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_196.4a1c9223.3091b31d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there,

    Okay, i'll bite. If anyone had asked me to name the least-likely-
    to-be-looped instrument and possibly the least-likely-to-be-looped
    music I might've said it would be something like mountain dulcimer
    and old Shaker hymns. There! I said it. But what you've done sounds
    quite fine and rather more interesting than just the novel material
    "Simple Gifts" and instumentation (so stated) would suggest.

    The other tune on there, "The Gorge," sounds like dulcimer doing
    vaguely Balinese gamelan type music along with some digeridoo ---
    at least it starts out that way. Quite nice. Seems like there might be
    a some guitar in there too . . . and Tabla. You ought to pester Rick
    Walker to let you come down to Santa Cruz next year and perform.

    Heck if you have a penchant for hymnody, I kicked off my Y2K3 set
    this year with a brief quote ofJean  Sibelius "Finlandia" -- which in=20= a
    completely different context is also the white-bread protestant hymn
    "Be Still My Soul."

    It takes all sorts to make a world an you'll find many of them in the
    "looping community" as well. Welcome aboard.

    Best regards,

    tEd =AE kiLLiAn

    "Different is not always better, but better is always different"

    http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
    http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
    http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
    http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
    http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
    http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
    http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

    Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
    BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
    AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
    RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
    and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
     --part1_196.4a1c9223.3091b31d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 05:26:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D06913BF12; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:26:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=x5fHnhMYD0Ar8vHN6Vci/jlKWhtAk0RY1KgALqc3lmA2h8yog5ik+2sVXSXWb0aEwJEora2d2clpE/JYibhkGujiWP6shiwzvizHlv2YkceBSj7wV7C5M6WLD4csENqap5TJFrDu/wp9UZ0DqjOUFmh7HxXH/SQyIUujoy0mvB8= ; Message-ID: <20051027052643.27279.qmail@web32510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:26:43 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: LOOP QUOTATIONS/ANECDOTES To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <01b601c5da91$7d9866a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-995166154-1130390803=:27277" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:26:45 +0000 (UTC) --0-995166154-1130390803=:27277 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit greetings & salutations. groovy idea ya got there Rick,great quote,there is much wisdom in Black Elks observation.good lookin out bro.cosmic awareness is good for the soul. i got a sam clemens quote that i can share,loopy ...no,but something to think about. "Keep away from those who try to belittle your ambitions.Small people always do that,but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great." . im outta here....danny//]%[\\scary visionary p.s....E=mc2 , .,+== *<{,':>}) " '+=== "loop.pool" wrote: I got this quotation from a new friend of mine online today and loved it and thought it was quite appropos for the work we all do. It made me think............it would be cool to start a thread and start a collection of either quotations or anecdotes that are relevant to the looping world: Here's one to start it off: You have noticed that everything an Indian does is in a circle, and that is because the Power of the World always works in circles, and everything tries to be round.....The Sky is round, and I have heard that the Earth is round like a ball, and so are all the stars. The Wind, in its greatest power, whirls. Birds make their nest in circles, for theirs is the same religion as ours.... Even the seasons form a great circle in their changing, and always come back again to where they were. The life of a man is a circle from childhood to childhood, and so it is in everything where power moves. ~Black Elk --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --0-995166154-1130390803=:27277 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    greetings & salutations.
    groovy idea ya got there Rick,great quote,there is much wisdom in Black Elks observation.good lookin out bro.cosmic awareness is good for the soul.
    i got a sam clemens quote that i can share,loopy ...no,but something to think about.
    "Keep away from those who try to belittle your ambitions.Small people always do that,but the really great make you feel that you, too, can become great."
    .
    im outta here....danny//]%[\\scary visionary
    p.s....E=mc2
     
                      , .,+==
                 *<{,':>})
                      " '+===
    "loop.pool" <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
    I got this quotation from a new friend of mine online today and loved it and
    thought it was quite appropos for the
    work we all do.

    It made me think............it would be cool to start a thread and start a
    collection of either quotations or anecdotes that are relevant
    to the looping world:

    Here's one to start it off:



    You have noticed that everything an Indian does is in a circle, and that is
    because the Power of the World always works in circles, and everything tries
    to be round.....The Sky is round, and I have heard that the Earth is round
    like a ball, and so are all the stars. The Wind, in its greatest power,
    whirls. Birds make their nest in circles, for theirs is the same religion as
    ours.... Even the seasons form a great circle in their changing, and
    always come back again to where they were. The life of a man is a circle
    from childhood to childhood, and so it is in everything where power moves.

    ~Black Elk

    Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --0-995166154-1130390803=:27277-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 05:40:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 912F73BF14; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:40:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <027b01c5dab8$e93d3f30$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <196.4a1c9223.3091b31d@aol.com> Subject: Re: new tunes Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:40:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0276_01C5DA86.9D2C5BD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 363, in=164129, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:40:20 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0276_01C5DA86.9D2C5BD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How about looped bagpipe? Just imagine, looping one of those suckers = about 10 layers worth. Just kidding.... :) Although a bagpipe through = some interesting tone mangling effects would be truly intersting.=20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ArsOcarina@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 10:35 PM Subject: Re: new tunes Hi there, Okay, i'll bite. If anyone had asked me to name the least-likely-=20 to-be-looped instrument and possibly the least-likely-to-be-looped music I might've said it would be something like mountain dulcimer=20 and old Shaker hymns. There! I said it. But what you've done sounds=20 quite fine and rather more interesting than just the novel material=20 "Simple Gifts" and instumentation (so stated) would suggest. The other tune on there, "The Gorge," sounds like dulcimer doing=20 vaguely Balinese gamelan type music along with some digeridoo --- at least it starts out that way. Quite nice. Seems like there might be a some guitar in there too . . . and Tabla. You ought to pester Rick=20 Walker to let you come down to Santa Cruz next year and perform.=20 Heck if you have a penchant for hymnody, I kicked off my Y2K3 set this year with a brief quote ofJean Sibelius "Finlandia" -- which in = a completely different context is also the white-bread protestant hymn=20 "Be Still My Soul."=20 It takes all sorts to make a world an you'll find many of them in the=20 "looping community" as well. Welcome aboard. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_000_0276_01C5DA86.9D2C5BD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    How about looped bagpipe? Just imagine, = looping one=20 of those suckers about 10 layers worth. Just kidding.... :) Although a = bagpipe=20 through some interesting tone mangling effects would be truly = intersting.=20

    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 ArsOcarina@aol.com
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Wednesday, October 26, = 2005 10:35=20 PM
    Subject: Re: new tunes

    Hi there,

    Okay, i'll bite. If = anyone had=20 asked me to name the least-likely-
    to-be-looped instrument and = possibly=20 the least-likely-to-be-looped
    music I might've said it would be = something=20 like mountain dulcimer
    and old Shaker hymns. There! I said it. But = what=20 you've done sounds
    quite fine and rather more interesting than = just the=20 novel material
    "Simple Gifts" and instumentation (so stated) would = suggest.

    The other tune on there, "The Gorge," sounds like = dulcimer=20 doing
    vaguely Balinese gamelan type music along with some = digeridoo=20 ---
    at least it starts out that way. Quite nice. Seems like there = might=20 be
    a some guitar in there too . . . and Tabla. You ought to pester = Rick=20
    Walker to let you come down to Santa Cruz next year and perform.=20

    Heck if you have a penchant for hymnody, I kicked off my Y2K3=20 set
    this year with a brief quote ofJean  Sibelius "Finlandia" = -- which=20 in a
    completely different context is also the white-bread = protestant hymn=20
    "Be Still My Soul."

    It takes all sorts to make a world an = you'll=20 find many of them in the
    "looping community" as well. Welcome=20 aboard.

    Best regards,

    tEd =AE = kiLLiAn

    "Different = is not always=20 better, but better is always=20 = different"

    http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
    http://www.CDbaby.= com/cd/tedkillian
    http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
    http://ww= w.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
    http://www.towerrecords.com/product= .aspx?pfid=3D2845073
    http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBN= M_17314
    http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D1= 93

    Ted=20 Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple = iTunes,
    BuyMusic,=20 Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
    AudioLunchbox, = Lindows,=20 QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
    RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, = CatchMusic, Puretracks,
    and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, = blah, blah.=20 So???
     ------=_NextPart_000_0276_01C5DA86.9D2C5BD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 05:40:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 630E23BF27; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:40:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=D+CZRL3ZKT8Uqh/EigqzRJXsLdUDiSpi/LXMv3CIRPCKA56Hh4CYlnASvIrR0lNFAQUAfMScriigQDFEPJr0uhIwEJRNc70z4H6wUexQT+EOpVCaWZwGK/jmuDvpVGnR9N0J06R8IVzJaA+ceZuW7XiqC9umGgXEv/DGEPuJQgc= ; Message-ID: <20051027054039.73623.qmail@web32506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:40:39 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Introducing... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1273059803-1130391639=:73283" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_kxb5D.A.eZD.ahGYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:40:42 +0000 (UTC) --0-1273059803-1130391639=:73283 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit howdy diana. cool jams ya got there.what kind of gear are you using?...these folks can answer anything or point ya in the right direction thats 4sure,amazing technical resources abound,my field of knowlege is primarilly nonsensical whimsey...but,its what i do best. welcome to the collective...ressistance is futile!!! boat drinks...danny///scary visionary. Diana Thompson wrote: Greetings, I'm new this list and fairly new to looping. My music is based out of jazz, blues, and African traditions. I use only voice, a delay pedal, and a looping pedal. My favorite recent comment: "Reminds me a little of Meredith Monk, but with more substance." I've uploaded files from some recent live shows. Please take a listen to some of my tracks when you get a chance and let me know your impressions. www.pushingair.com/music Thanks! Pushing Air Diana Thompson Vocalist, Composer, Improvisor www.pushingair.com --------------------------------- Find e-mail, documents and more on your PC instantly with Windows Desktop Search–FREE! --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --0-1273059803-1130391639=:73283 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    howdy diana.
    cool jams ya got there.what kind of gear are you using?...these folks can answer anything  or point ya in the right direction thats 4sure,amazing technical resources abound,my field of knowlege is primarilly nonsensical whimsey...but,its what i do best.
    welcome to the collective...ressistance is futile!!!
    boat drinks...danny///scary visionary.


    Diana Thompson <pushingair@hotmail.com> wrote:

    Greetings,

    I'm new this list and fairly new to looping. My music is based out of jazz, blues, and African traditions. I use only voice, a delay pedal, and a looping pedal. My favorite recent comment: "Reminds me a little of Meredith Monk, but with more substance."

    I've uploaded files from some recent live shows. Please take a listen to some of my tracks when you get a chance and let me know your impressions.

    www.pushingair.com/music

    Thanks!

    Pushing Air
    Diana Thompson
    Vocalist, Composer, Improvisor
    www.pushingair.com


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    Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --0-1273059803-1130391639=:73283-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 06:01:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B41B03BF12; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 06:01:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=N3F/3HzYzGooHut6XZCiFETuWo8NvVdMRwbu5dNlU0Y6i3Cl1Z47Y18SNXihDLO84EJeMuyTLS8qsND6n7n7Vjv0J8j20RzhGW7hmh25p7twPJERy/bTdbJx/Bq9wgvRndi+wV7JWXX8tR6nmt3TEww6XqFY+HHWK6U+XRpj5uM= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:01:01 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping back to Krispen's old critics thread (was sorta: using laptops for music" In-Reply-To: <20051027002836.9105.qmail@web30509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <01ca01c5da6d$2c3c0ab0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20051027002836.9105.qmail@web30509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8H3MMD.A.WGE.e0GYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 06:01:02 +0000 (UTC) Sounded like a well-written review to me. I felt the writer had honestly described his experience of the event, and given me a good idea of what to expect if I went to a similiar event, and managed to throw a bit of humor into what could have been a dreary article. He really liked some of it, really disliked some of it, and the rest was somewhere in between. I liked the bit about how some of the performers need to hear less about how great they are, that was a good belly laugh. In my twenty years of public performance, I can't recall ever being booed, or even told that I sucked afterwards, despite considerable evidence to the contrary in many cases. People are, on the whole, polite to your face. However, inside and afterwards, many of them feel like the reviewer. TravisH On 10/26/05, Tim Nelson wrote: > yIKES! > > I just found this and found it somewhat amusing, scary > and, what's more, fairly on-topic. :P > > > > -t- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 06:12:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C83853BF19; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 06:12:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02ad01c5dabd$744a55f0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <01ca01c5da6d$2c3c0ab0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20051027002836.9105.qmail@web30509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Looping back to Krispen's old critics thread (was sorta: using laptops for music" Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 00:12:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 360, in=148805, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 06:12:51 +0000 (UTC) I agree. Honesty is a good trait in music reviews....I don't see a lot of it lately. Regarding that whole debacle with my CD review...the newspaper ended up recruiting me to write some of their CD reviews based on the letter of dispute I wrote to the guy who reviewed my CD. I guess the music editor liked how I wrote. Since then I've reviewed 4 or 5 CDs for the newspaper, all but one were non-local. But here is the kicker that spoils all this honesty bit...and Joe, you'll remember our conversation about this....I was very precise with my language on my reviews, clarifying when I was stating a verifiable fact vs. my own emotional response to the music (i.e., distinguishing factual from emotive statements), and I focused mainly on positive emotional responses because I now what it feel like to get bashed in a review, and like to abide to the "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" principle when it comes to reviews. Anyway, I spent a long time crafting this review of a band, and in the end editor changed my wording to make the review shorter, but changed it in a way that make my emotional responses look like statement of objective fact...COMPLETELY contradictory to my whole music review philosophy. It wasn't a problem with my writing, just a matter of saving space. So they took liberties, not knowing how what they did changed the meaning of my review. I wonder how often this happens in the music review scene. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 12:01 AM Subject: Re: Looping back to Krispen's old critics thread (was sorta: using laptops for music" Sounded like a well-written review to me. I felt the writer had honestly described his experience of the event, and given me a good idea of what to expect if I went to a similiar event, and managed to throw a bit of humor into what could have been a dreary article. He really liked some of it, really disliked some of it, and the rest was somewhere in between. I liked the bit about how some of the performers need to hear less about how great they are, that was a good belly laugh. In my twenty years of public performance, I can't recall ever being booed, or even told that I sucked afterwards, despite considerable evidence to the contrary in many cases. People are, on the whole, polite to your face. However, inside and afterwards, many of them feel like the reviewer. TravisH On 10/26/05, Tim Nelson wrote: > yIKES! > > I just found this and found it somewhat amusing, scary > and, what's more, fairly on-topic. :P > > > > -t- > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 06:15:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E98583BF28; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 06:15:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=TSImjzSS/HTJ6mwh6vWtd134k/jTx8rvqx7KjwNxJnJf6lPXriGRFB1py7o7LlpN576VTG988wPAaUJXmAYU10u4FRh07Hd8/WUdTFC2e4aMPNigmjbhrqD4GzNfSamxO9bam53BQ6LV+ShMFhTX/sMXuaz2vFRUmskG/0IlBnI= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:15:36 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: The End of Timeless Instruments? 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06:19:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEAC13BF1B; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 06:19:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mMlzSzyD3LMI83wZQ3fSSYDSo+bFRhPSoJqUcTmDXWUmuXchhctB31P4D6Od0N6gHTJdrsgShKenqS/b62GfDY5B14OAF1yFDdxcvrgrVVKHKWBj8jA9QNC2lnEK2H7MaPNJWMdtFpP2cJ5I7JW15JhPbp08oPjncesovPoFHEo= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:19:50 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping back to Krispen's old critics thread (was sorta: using laptops for music" In-Reply-To: <02ad01c5dabd$744a55f0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <01ca01c5da6d$2c3c0ab0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20051027002836.9105.qmail@web30509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <02ad01c5dabd$744a55f0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <_M7W-.A.EnE.IGHYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 06:19:52 +0000 (UTC) Verifiable facts? Were you writing for the sports section? Otherwise... TravisH On 10/26/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > ...I was > very precise with my language on my reviews, clarifying when I was statin= g a > verifiable fact vs. my own emotional response to the music (i.e., > distinguishing factual from emotive statements), ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 06:40:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C92693BF14; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 06:40:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02b901c5dac1$40e54e00$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <01ca01c5da6d$2c3c0ab0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20051027002836.9105.qmail@web30509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <02ad01c5dabd$744a55f0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Looping back to Krispen's old critics thread (was sorta: using laptops for music" Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 00:39:58 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 362, in=152836, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 06:40:02 +0000 (UTC) Such as historical or verifiable comparisons regarding melodies, techniques, tid bids about the band history or members, other things that readers find interesting and indicate that the reviewer gives a shit about understanding the band, the context in which the CD was recorded or produced, etc...you don't think music reviews areall about value statements do you? Good reviews most always contain a healthy balance of factual and evaluative commentary. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 12:19 AM Subject: Re: Looping back to Krispen's old critics thread (was sorta: using laptops for music" Verifiable facts? Were you writing for the sports section? Otherwise... TravisH On 10/26/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > ...I was > very precise with my language on my reviews, clarifying when I was stating a > verifiable fact vs. my own emotional response to the music (i.e., > distinguishing factual from emotive statements), ... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 07:10:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 241033BF1B; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 07:10:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZCW/z1OTpBY6SVOnomDY0mzXCAcMwdCKPO1I7kcJqQhlRQLXZbUVJff0qn4ODYStfJGX+WvORVQU2yrCraoF3eLW3bMtGzo3esok6j0Szg2GyzY0YmQNk+IjFGwGNIF30GlHGl2QmxLMpE49HsHxuCjRduvAWoOLyJAT81Zo1oM= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 00:10:44 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping back to Krispen's old critics thread (was sorta: using laptops for music" In-Reply-To: <02b901c5dac1$40e54e00$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <01ca01c5da6d$2c3c0ab0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20051027002836.9105.qmail@web30509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <02ad01c5dabd$744a55f0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <02b901c5dac1$40e54e00$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 07:10:46 +0000 (UTC) Pretty much other than the name of the act, the location, the date and the cover charge--after that it's all a bit questionable. Even the choice on the part of the writer as to which "verifiable facts" to include is a series of editorial decisions (as you found out with your own writing and the paper's editors). People's ideas of what's historical or verifiable vary quite a bit. TravisH On 10/26/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > Such as historical or verifiable comparisons regarding melodies, techniqu= es, > tid bids about the band history or members, other things that readers fin= d > interesting and indicate that the reviewer gives a shit about understandi= ng > the band, the context in which the CD was recorded or produced, etc...you > don't think music reviews areall about value statements do you? Good > reviews most always contain a healthy balance of factual and evaluative > commentary. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Travis Hartnett" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 12:19 AM > Subject: Re: Looping back to Krispen's old critics thread (was sorta: usi= ng > laptops for music" > > > Verifiable facts? Were you writing for the sports section? Otherwise... > > TravisH > > On 10/26/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > > ...I was > > very precise with my language on my reviews, clarifying when I was stat= ing > a > > verifiable fact vs. my own emotional response to the music (i.e., > > distinguishing factual from emotive statements), ... > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 08:47:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7799C3BF19; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:47:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20051027012244.04603650@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 01:47:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: using laptops for music In-Reply-To: <019901c5da59$c28be620$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051017013533.01f0a048@mail.wightman.ca> <018001c5d32a$be8bfe60$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20051025102201.01fac1c8@mail.wightman.ca> <00a901c5d9b8$03189640$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0068c4d741909ac9c6de25a4bfd3ce42@suitandtieguy.com> <00d901c5d9cd$ea8ed740$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20051025203451.046ffc80@loopers-delight.com> <005901c5da2b$60722770$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20051026104633.04d8f510@loopers-delight.com> <019901c5da59$c28be620$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:47:02 +0000 (UTC) At 11:19 AM 10/26/2005, Kris Hartung wrote: >You must be referrinng to desktops, Kim, right?. I've seen some data as >well, comparing apples to apples (no pun intended) in mobile processor >technology, cache, performance, processor speed, etc...and Intel shows in >the lead. But AMD clearly has the lead in desktops. Ah, sorry the thread got confused. Yes, I was referring to desktops, where AMD dominates performance. At this time, Intel Centrino seems to be the best choice for mid-size laptops and smaller. Although, maybe not so for the larger "Desktop Replacement" category of laptops, where desktop CPUs get used. AMD's answer to Centrino is called Turion, BTW. (The people who invent these names are way overpaid.) This first effort from AMD didn't seem to be quite good enough, but it will be interesting to see how things shake out over the next year, and whether they can translate their desktop performance lead into mobile platforms. >At 11:51 AM 10/26/2005, Suit & Tie Guy wrote: >>On Oct 26, 2005, at 3:25 AM, Kim Flint wrote: >>>Of course, if Apple really wants high performance they'll use AMD CPUs. > >Apple wants a co-operative chip manufacturer. Intel was _delighted_ to get >the Apple account I think a lot of what you are seeing now has more to do with Marketing and PR strategy than anything else. Steve Jobs is brilliant at that - of course he will connect the message to another big name like Intel. And Intel is hurting lately, so connecting to a hot name like Apple is good for them also. But the real thing that happened is Apple is switching their hardware to x86 platforms. Once there, switching back and forth between AMD and Intel is easy, and they will likely make that switch as it suits them. Same as they switch between Nvidia and ATI for graphics, depending on what works best for them at a given time. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 09:25:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68DCA3BF0D; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:25:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=smgKsNhWEXglHU+Q8PawfiJyUa3MDBCyd65mSYnewaoEps4MckGJIlYpI/j4Gox7QjJpONcE3EQzZyNoeMcgXSa5LZz++xyfAZwVAbQYQg4uMD5VhUtCMUCGKozxOEZeyULYRAwpHetKbO3lBzbnapsdgFT3FhG9LMVHnaggbPs= ; Message-ID: <20051027092528.20091.qmail@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 02:25:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: new tunes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <027b01c5dab8$e93d3f30$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:25:30 +0000 (UTC) I've looped medieval smallpipes. -t- --- Kris Hartung wrote: > How about looped bagpipe? Just imagine, looping one > of those suckers about 10 layers worth. Just > kidding.... :) Although a bagpipe through some > interesting tone mangling effects would be truly > intersting. __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 10:10:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91DA73BF20; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:10:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007501c5dade$a16a4ba0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051026231721.01f6fa18@mail.wightman.ca> Subject: Re: new tunes Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 03:10:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:10:14 +0000 (UTC) Hey Paul, I loved "the Gorge" I also love the quote from Copland in 'Simple Gifts'. The Mountain Dulcimer is such a beautiful instrument..............it is so exotic and ethereal sounding. And Ted is correct.................you are cordially invited to come to a 30 minute set at Y2K6 next October in Santa Cruz. This year we had 50 artists from 7 countries and in all the years I've played we have never had a looping dulcimer player. I also play a little dulcimer and some hammered dulcimer as well. Neal Hellman is a good friend of mine and lent me a beautiful mountain dulcimer to practise on. If you don't know his work, he is a wonderful and influential dulcimer performer. I particularly love the way that you can retune the bass string on the mountain dulcimer and play in different modes than are normally played in traditional Americana. I love playing in both Phrygian (middleeastern sounding) and Lydian (balkan sounding) using this technique. The only time I"ve ever played dulcimer on stage was when I was awarded the Calabash Award for Service to the Ethnic Arts in Santa Cruz County. Two really good dulcimer players I know were in the audience so I was really nervous. It was also, sadly, the very last time my mother saw me play so I have a lot of sentimental attachment to the piece. I must get this piece transferred from the video into audio. If I manage to do it, I'll send it to you. Nice work, thanks for posting, yours, Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "paul" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 8:26 PM Subject: new tunes > Hi, > > I don't know if any of you have had a chance to listen to the new tunes I > posted on my web site yet > ( http://members.tripod.com/Dulcimer_Traditions/newstuff.htm ) but I am > interested in feedback.... of the non screeching type.... > > If you listen to some of my older work you'll see that this is a fairly > significant departure in style from earlier recordings. I live out in > rural Ontario, a place that I love, but the folks out here just hear it as > sort of noise... I'm hoping for a more receptive audience when I play in > Toronto in a couple of weeks. > > If you're reluctant to post your comments in the forum, drop me a line at > > > Thanks, > > Paul Haslem > > Ontario, Canada > > www.dulcify.ca > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 10:16:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C42B63BF1A; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:16:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4360AA12.8040604@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 06:21:06 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AIMusic Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels Today Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:16:52 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ================================================================================ Tonight on Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long Special Focus on Remote Spaces. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Project Ypsilon" with Odyssey. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Allez-Teia" by Heldon on Disjuncta Records and released in 1975. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#oct Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 13:28:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2CA53BEFC; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:28:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: e537116f0c7746d6c6e329e885182a27 Received-SPF: pass (donga.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.176.10.10 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.176.10.10; envelope-from=matigrob@terra.com.br; helo=[10.1.1.6]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matigrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4359A6B1.7080105@Hevanet.com> References: <1589.66.94.148.190.1129938273.squirrel@webmail.airmail.net> <4359A6B1.7080105@Hevanet.com> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:26:17 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: New Question EDP FCB - Switches Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:28:44 +0000 (UTC) David wrote: >I just moved from the EFC-7 to the MIDI pedal Behringer FCB1010. >The switches are nice and beefy, but it does take up a bit of extra >floor space (not sure, but I think the Expression Pedals are just >kinda there, but not usable on the EDP). huh? feedback is fundamental! (CC1) you can also use CC7 for volume -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 14:17:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EAC063BF0B; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:17:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20051027093043.01f7a4f8@mail.wightman.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:17:24 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: new tunes In-Reply-To: <007501c5dade$a16a4ba0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051026231721.01f6fa18@mail.wightman.ca> <007501c5dade$a16a4ba0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-797470E5 Resent-Message-ID: <6a1OSD.A.2uD.6FOYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:17:30 +0000 (UTC) Thanks very much. When I'm working on a project, I find that I'm too close to make objective observations, and quite frankly the majority of people around here just don't get it..... The most extreme case was someone in the village that bought a cd and gave it back after a couple of days thinking there was something wrong with it.... seems that it had no words.... and who can understand it if it has no words. Perhaps if you take a fairly obscure instrument like the hammered dulcimer, tie it to another fairly obscure performance technique like looping, you certainly have something that's unique but maybe not accessible enough to most listeners? But then, that is also a common thread here, I recall a few weeks back Kris having difficulty with venues that will let him explore the sounds that he's interested in. There's a question there that has interested me for quite a few years. As an artist, do I provide comfortable entertainment, or do I challenge people to listen to new things. So, I was looking for some feedback from a community that I respect. I realize that many or most of you are doing music that is much more experimental in nature that what I'm doing, but coming from a community of traditional celtic and folk music circles, they consider what I'm doing to be pretty radical, maybe even blasphemous. At 06:10 AM 10/27/2005, you wrote: >Hey Paul, I loved "the Gorge" > >I also love the quote from Copland in 'Simple Gifts'. > >The Mountain Dulcimer is such a beautiful instrument..............it is so >exotic and ethereal sounding. I totaly agree, I love the mountain dulcimer, and I have some of Neal's work, beautiful stuff...... I unfortunately don't play the mountain dulcimer. I can see where the mistaken identification comes from though. What you're hearing is my guitar, I keep it tuned DADADA (from low to high) it's a tuning that I picked up quite a few years ago from a Scottish player working with a band called Ossian. I think because of the drone quality,It works really well with the hammered dulcimer, which is my primary instrument. The guitar is processed through guitar rig, I've been having a lot fun playing with all those delays, reverse delays etc. >And Ted is correct.................you are cordially invited to come to a >30 minute set at Y2K6 next October in Santa Cruz. >This year we had 50 artists from 7 countries and in all the years I've >played we have never had a looping dulcimer player. If it's possible, I'd love to do it, but maybe not next year, the year after. I'll have to start saving now! Thanks for providing a community for those of us that can't find one locally. All the best, Paul Haslem Ontario, Canada >I also play a little dulcimer and some hammered dulcimer as well. Neal >Hellman is a good friend of mine and lent me a beautiful >mountain dulcimer to practise on. If you don't know his work, he is a >wonderful and influential dulcimer performer. > >I particularly love the way that you can retune the bass string on the >mountain dulcimer and play in different modes than >are normally played in traditional Americana. I love playing in both >Phrygian (middleeastern sounding) and Lydian (balkan sounding) >using this technique. > > The only time I"ve ever played dulcimer on stage was when I was awarded > the Calabash Award for Service to the Ethnic Arts in Santa Cruz > County. Two really good dulcimer players I know were in the audience so > I was really nervous. > >It was also, sadly, the very last time my mother saw me play so I have a >lot of sentimental attachment to the piece. >I must get this piece transferred from the video into audio. If I manage >to do it, I'll send it to you. > >Nice work, thanks for posting, yours, Rick > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "paul" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 8:26 PM >Subject: new tunes > > >>Hi, >> >>I don't know if any of you have had a chance to listen to the new tunes I >>posted on my web site yet >>( http://members.tripod.com/Dulcimer_Traditions/newstuff.htm ) but I am >>interested in feedback.... of the non screeching type.... >> >>If you listen to some of my older work you'll see that this is a fairly >>significant departure in style from earlier recordings. I live out in >>rural Ontario, a place that I love, but the folks out here just hear it >>as sort of noise... I'm hoping for a more receptive audience when I play >>in Toronto in a couple of weeks. >> >>If you're reluctant to post your comments in the forum, drop me a line at >> >> >>Thanks, >> >>Paul Haslem >> >>Ontario, Canada >> >>www.dulcify.ca > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 14:20:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40E573BF19; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:20:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:20:48 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: new tunes In-reply-to: <20051027092528.20091.qmail@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4360E240.5030909@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20051027092528.20091.qmail@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:20:37 +0000 (UTC) Tim Nelson wrote: > I've looped medieval smallpipes. I can see the bumper sticker now: I've looped medieval smallpipes... And I vote! Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 14:32:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A3A03BF20; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:32:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1Y9dni0DhgoblpMZ9HdRdQDg+c7RbWzuHpI48P4Pn2RF/tuWRMR1W5UTld596ku6ZsTHlzaNda6r35PoRiXhAoxRinTS1x6qQjACfU1bOLuMti+HpQrI92ej351+x4f5i86uwAfUhmZ/2v582HXMKP5eDct+FqhEJpP3H46czdY= ; Message-ID: <20051027143229.24888.qmail@web35107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 07:32:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Pokorski Subject: Re: The End of Timeless Instruments? (Craig Anderton editorial) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-968781471-1130423549=:23463" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-sAjGB.A.EOE._TOYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:32:32 +0000 (UTC) --0-968781471-1130423549=:23463 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I miss my Dr. T's software from the Atari days - plus Steinberg's PRO-24 (now Cubase). Remember 'M'? Paul Travis Hartnett wrote: In light of the recent discussion regarding software instruments and the viability of laptop-based music tools, I thought this might be of interest. It spawned a long thread on the Harmony-Central discussion boards (http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1024883). TravisH ************ The End of Timeless Instruments? I'm nervous. I have some software synths and plug-ins that make some great sounds, and they've become a staple of what I do. But they're probably doomed…and I don't like that one bit. I have a 1966 Telecaster that still sounds great. A friend of mine regularly restores pianos from the 1800s. The Stradivarius is considered the ultimate violin. And my vintage Minimoog, thanks to a little TLC, is still producing those wonderful thunderous bass lines. But fast forward to 2035. Do you think any of today's plug-ins will still run on anything? Problem #1: Copy protection. If your software depends on authorization from a web site and a company goes out of business, you're probably hosed. (Furthermore, many software companies depend on the genius of one or two individuals; if they go, so does the company.) At some point, you might not be able to unlock a legitimate copy so that it runs. But that probably won't matter anyway, because of… Problem #2: Shifting operating systems. Every time Apple or Microsoft revs their operating system, some of my programs won't work anymore. We're not just talking seismic shifts, like going from OS 9 to OS X; a lot of programs need patches to make the jump from OX S 10.3 to 10.4. And while Microsoft deserves a pat on the back for their attention to backward compatibility, at some point older programs are going to break when you try to run them on a more modern operating system. I suspect that when Windows Vista arrives, some older programs will not work with it, and the companies won't update them – either because they consider it not economically feasible, or because the company no longer exists. What kind of a world have we created where instruments are inherently disposable? Of course, this is through no fault of the designers; I'm sure they'd love to have their products work forever. But the fact remains that so much of what makes an instrument desirable is developing a relationship with it. Sometimes the little quirks and special features are what you exploit to create a signature sound. And after you spend years mastering a particular plug-in, then what? Are you just supposed to forget it and move on? Look how wrenching it has been for some people to have to abandon Vision on the Mac, or Logic on Windows. That is just a foreshadowing of what will surely be a massive wave of obsolescence in the future. Or maybe instruments should be disposable. Pop music is disposable; fashion is disposable. Dinosaurs ruled the earth, and then they died out. Maybe living in the here and now is a Good Thing, forcing us not to get attached to what we know, but to constantly confront the new – even if it's reluctantly. Still, part of me wants at least some software to have the same staying power as a beautiful guitar. Unfortunately. I suspect that the future will be unforgiving to today's generation of virtual instruments. –Craig Anderton --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --0-968781471-1130423549=:23463 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    I miss my Dr. T's software from the Atari days - plus Steinberg's PRO-24 (now Cubase). Remember 'M'?
     
    Paul

    Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
    In light of the recent discussion regarding software instruments and
    the viability of laptop-based music tools, I thought this might be of
    interest. It spawned a long thread on the Harmony-Central discussion
    boards (http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1024883).

    TravisH

    ************


    The End of Timeless Instruments?

    I'm nervous. I have some software synths and plug-ins that make some
    great sounds, and they've become a staple of what I do. But they're
    probably doomed…and I don't like that one bit.

    I have a 1966 Telecaster that still sounds great. A friend of mine
    regularly restores pianos from the 1800s. The Stradivarius is
    considered the ultimate violin. And my vintage Minimoog, thanks to a
    little TLC, is still producing those wonderful thunderous bass lines.
    But fast forward to 2035. Do you think any of today's plug-ins will
    still run on anything?

    Problem #1: Copy protection. If your software depends on authorization
    from a web site and a company goes out of business, you're probably
    hosed. (Furthermore, many software companies depend on the genius of
    one or two individuals; if they go, so does the company.) At some
    point, you might not be able to unlock a legitimate copy so that it
    runs. But that probably won't matter anyway, because of…

    Problem #2: Shifting operating systems. Every time Apple or Microsoft
    revs their operating system, some of my programs won't work anymore.
    We're not just talking seismic shifts, like going from OS 9 to OS X; a
    lot of programs need patches to make the jump from OX S 10.3 to 10.4.
    And while Microsoft deserves a pat on the back for their attention to
    backward compatibility, at some point older programs are going to
    break when you try to run them on a more modern operating system. I
    suspect that when Windows Vista arrives, some older programs will not
    work with it, and the companies won't update them – either because
    they consider it not economically feasible, or because the company no
    longer exists.

    What kind of a world have we created where instruments are inherently
    disposable? Of course, this is through no fault of the designers; I'm
    sure they'd love to have their products work forever. But the fact
    remains that so much of what makes an instrument desirable is
    developing a relationship with it. Sometimes the little quirks and
    special features are what you exploit to create a signature sound. And
    after you spend years mastering a particular plug-in, then what? Are
    you just supposed to forget it and move on? Look how wrenching it has
    been for some people to have to abandon Vision on the Mac, or Logic on
    Windows. That is just a foreshadowing of what will surely be a massive
    wave of obsolescence in the future.

    Or maybe instruments should be disposable. Pop music is disposable;
    fashion is disposable. Dinosaurs ruled the earth, and then they died
    out. Maybe living in the here and now is a Good Thing, forcing us not
    to get attached to what we know, but to constantly confront the new –
    even if it's reluctantly.

    Still, part of me wants at least some software to have the same
    staying power as a beautiful guitar. Unfortunately. I suspect that the
    future will be unforgiving to today's generation of virtual
    instruments. –Craig Anderton

    Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --0-968781471-1130423549=:23463-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 14:38:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F17A3BF2D; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:38:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: <110.55716c86.30924067@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:38:31 EDT Subject: Re: new tunes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1130423911" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 2340 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:38:38 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1130423911 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And all I got was this lousy T-Shirt. Harry Weinberg, Esq. Law Offices of Harry Weinberg 11 Beach Street - 8th Floor New York, N.Y. 10013 (212) 989-2908 -------------------------------1130423911 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    And all I got was this lousy T-Shirt.
     
    Harry=20 Weinberg, Esq.
    Law Offices of Harry Weinberg
    11 Beach Street - 8th=20 Floor
    New York, N.Y. 10013
    (212)=20 989-2908
     -------------------------------1130423911-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 14:42:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7909A3BF1B; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:42:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,258,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="430370929:sNHT18324536" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <20051027143229.24888.qmail@web35107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051027143229.24888.qmail@web35107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: The End of Timeless Instruments? (Craig Anderton editorial) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:40:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:42:45 +0000 (UTC) M is still around. I have a version for OSX. > I miss my Dr. T's software from the Atari days - plus Steinberg's > PRO-24 (now Cubase). Remember 'M'? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 14:43:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4688D3BF3B; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:43:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,258,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="110378863:sNHT169951774" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emilet@pop.rcn.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:24:56 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Details: Video Performance @ Zeitgeist Gallery, Cambridge MA 10.30.05 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:43:45 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I left out the details in my message last night (sorry -- what happens when you hit send when you meant to hit save) At 10:03 PM -0700 10/26/05, Kris Thompson wrote: >There will be some good choices of parties and shows >on the weekend leading up to >Halloween/Samhain/Day-of-the-Dead this year, but only >one will be the ideal combination of eye/ear/mouth >candy, general abandon and challenging >trance/noise/drone/experimental sounds that this one >will be! >So, here's what's in store: > Sunday, Oct 30 > Zeitgeist Gallery > 1353 Cambridge St (Inman Sq.), Cambridge > doors 6:30pm; sound/visuals 7pm - midnight > $5 suggested donation > costumery encouraged > Free Food, Candy, and Bevs! > event info: >http://zeitgeist-gallery.org/archives/2005/10/zeitgeist_hallo.php > > > Performing: >Turkish Queen - 11:25 - 12:00 >Sun Rushing In (Lauri des Marais & Susan DeLeo) - >10:30 - 11:15 >Rob Byrd - 9:40 - 10:15 >Wisteriax - 8:55 - 9:25 >Lauri des Marais & Kris Thompson - 7:55 - 8:35 >Red Skies (w/ Jinsen Liu) - 7:00 - 7:40 > > ***and, Dr. T on live video mixing throughout! > >be there with your werewolf breath on... At 10:03 PM -0700 10/26/05, Kris Thompson wrote: > let me mention how easy >the parking will be. Being a Sunday night, the >"Permit Only" zones on the nearby side streets will be >suspended. Also, our ringleader for the night >(Jinsen) is a Cambridge Hospital employee, and will >validate the parking of anyone who parks there (3-4 >blocks away at 1493 Cambridge St.)] @ THE ZEITGEIST GALLERY 1353 Cambridge St. Inman Sq. Cambridge 69 Bus from Harvard Gate NEW PHONE: 617.876.6060 http://www.zeitgeist-gallery.org/ -- Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com "There were so many things there that are not anywhere else in the world. There were millions of people, the strange reflective bars of the buildings and the shiny and shimmering towers that seemed like a fairy tale" -- David-Michael Cook Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 16:01:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F13D53BF14; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:01:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02cf01c5db0f$b1a462e0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051017013533.01f0a048@mail.wightman.ca> <018001c5d32a$be8bfe60$03b4ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20051025102201.01fac1c8@mail.wightman.ca> <00a901c5d9b8$03189640$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0068c4d741909ac9c6de25a4bfd3ce42@suitandtieguy.com> <00d901c5d9cd$ea8ed740$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20051025203451.046ffc80@loopers-delight.com> <005901c5da2b$60722770$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20051026104633.04d8f510@loopers-delight.com> <019901c5da59$c28be620$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.1.2.0.2.20051027012244.04603650@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: using laptops for music Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:01:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 363, in=153053, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <2gZoV.A.ikH.gnPYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:01:36 +0000 (UTC) But the race is on nonetheless!!! :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 2:47 AM Subject: Re: using laptops for music > At 11:19 AM 10/26/2005, Kris Hartung wrote: > >You must be referrinng to desktops, Kim, right?. I've seen some data as > >well, comparing apples to apples (no pun intended) in mobile processor > >technology, cache, performance, processor speed, etc...and Intel shows in > >the lead. But AMD clearly has the lead in desktops. > > Ah, sorry the thread got confused. Yes, I was referring to desktops, where > AMD dominates performance. At this time, Intel Centrino seems to be the > best choice for mid-size laptops and smaller. Although, maybe not so for > the larger "Desktop Replacement" category of laptops, where desktop CPUs > get used. > > AMD's answer to Centrino is called Turion, BTW. (The people who invent > these names are way overpaid.) This first effort from AMD didn't seem to be > quite good enough, but it will be interesting to see how things shake out > over the next year, and whether they can translate their desktop > performance lead into mobile platforms. > > >At 11:51 AM 10/26/2005, Suit & Tie Guy wrote: > >>On Oct 26, 2005, at 3:25 AM, Kim Flint wrote: > >>>Of course, if Apple really wants high performance they'll use AMD CPUs. > > > >Apple wants a co-operative chip manufacturer. Intel was _delighted_ to get > >the Apple account > > I think a lot of what you are seeing now has more to do with Marketing and > PR strategy than anything else. Steve Jobs is brilliant at that - of course > he will connect the message to another big name like Intel. And Intel is > hurting lately, so connecting to a hot name like Apple is good for them also. > > But the real thing that happened is Apple is switching their hardware to > x86 platforms. Once there, switching back and forth between AMD and Intel > is easy, and they will likely make that switch as it suits them. Same as > they switch between Nvidia and ATI for graphics, depending on what works > best for them at a given time. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 16:49:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87A4C3BF1B; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:49:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:49:16 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: main difference betwween Moebius and Ableton Live In-reply-to: <435FDEE6.2030902@dadaprod.org> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4361050C.8020700@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <6.1.2.0.2.20051025203451.046ffc80@loopers-delight.com> <000e01c5da4a$546bc070$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <435FC2EC.209@dadaprod.org> <435FDEE6.2030902@dadaprod.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:49:21 +0000 (UTC) sonic steph wrote: > I just mean when you stop to record the loop, the loop is played without > delay - like for a classic "loop pedal" (the boomerang I have does this > very fine..) Mobius will behave more like a Boomerang. What I think you are talking about is called "first loop capability" which means that the loop length is defined by two taps of a switch. Live cannot do this, you have to pre-define the loop length in "bars" (Live users please correct me here). Once the loop has finished recording it will begin playback immediately, but you have less control over exactly how long the loop will be. In practice this means that you must have a good feel for the tempo Live is recording in so you can predict when the loop will end. If you are playing along with a background loop this is easy. But if you are recording the first loop in silence, this is difficult without an audible or visible metronome. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 17:02:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 739693BF32; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:02:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <030f01c5db18$283f6af0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <01ca01c5da6d$2c3c0ab0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20051027002836.9105.qmail@web30509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <02ad01c5dabd$744a55f0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <02b901c5dac1$40e54e00$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Looping back to Krispen's old critics thread (was sorta: using laptops for music" Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:02:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 26, in=15072, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:02:11 +0000 (UTC) > Pretty much other than the name of the act, the location, the date and the cover charge--after that it's all a bit questionable. I think this statement is questionable, not to mention it's not a categorical one. It's a value statement based on what you like to see out of a review, or perhaps just an observation of what you see a lot in reviews, neither of which necessarily imply what a decent and well review should look like (and I emphasize "necessarily" here). I speak to many music enthusiasts who enjoy very much when a music review provides some background on a group or CD and actually shows that the reviewer gives a shit about their artform, other than just doing a cursory review of a band or CD with no regard to context. > Even the choice on the part of the writer as to which "verifiable facts" to include is a series of editorial decisions (as you found out with your own writing and the paper's editors). People's ideas of what's historical or verifiable vary quite a bit. Exactly, so why do you say "Pretty much other than the name of the act, the location, the date and the cover charge--after that it's all a bit questionable"? Are you stating a fact or your own value value statement? If it varies, then neither scenario is necessarily the case. In somw cases and for some people, it will be questionable (like yourself, perhaps), for others not. So, we're not really in a position say that it "ought" to be done one one way or another when reader choice has the final say. Now the artform of writing is a whole differenet matter, part of which is academic and some practical. I won't go into that now. ...just trying to level the playing field here. As with any artform, making categorical statements about the way things should operate or what is questionable or not, is risky business. Making a factual claim about a band or music form is safe..sometimes boring, but perhaps not if the writer is clever and insightful. Making value statements disguised as factual statements gets people stoked and look really insightful and cool, but also piss everyone off that holds the contradictory value statement. The point is that writers are smart enough to discern between these two domains of writing and now how to be insightful without irritating the shit out of 50% of their readers. Kris TravisH On 10/26/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > Such as historical or verifiable comparisons regarding melodies, techniques, > tid bids about the band history or members, other things that readers find > interesting and indicate that the reviewer gives a shit about understanding > the band, the context in which the CD was recorded or produced, etc...you > don't think music reviews areall about value statements do you? Good > reviews most always contain a healthy balance of factual and evaluative > commentary. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Travis Hartnett" > To: > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 12:19 AM > Subject: Re: Looping back to Krispen's old critics thread (was sorta: using > laptops for music" > > > Verifiable facts? Were you writing for the sports section? Otherwise... > > TravisH > > On 10/26/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > > ...I was > > very precise with my language on my reviews, clarifying when I was stating > a > > verifiable fact vs. my own emotional response to the music (i.e., > > distinguishing factual from emotive statements), ... > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 17:02:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E8E23BF37; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:02:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-72.messagelabs.com!1130432550!0!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8A0D@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: The End of Timeless Instruments? (Craig Anderton editorial) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:02:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5DB18.2DA58F10" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:02:32 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5DB18.2DA58F10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>they're probably doomed...and I don't like that one bit...... What kind of a world have we created where instruments are inherently disposable?<< I think craig's just getting old. he seems to be contradicting himself here. there aren't fewer guitars or keyboards being made now than there were in 1966 when his tele was born. probably just the opposite. anyone else think he just had a bad day with a computer? the most popular virtual instruments are designed, largely, to either emulate real instruments of some interest that, for whatever reason (I'm choosing these words carefully, aren't I?) aren't widely available any more. & so we have the likes of the arturia moog "replacing" the real thing. or they're designed to let you build new instruments from the ground up, like the thing that came bundled with my g/f's logic software, or the line6 variax toolbench. yes, there's a lot of this stuff about, & yes it may have a finite lifespan because the support will go away sooner. but this isn't stopping fender & korg from selling thousands more real instruments every day than they could have dreamed of selling back in the 60s or 70s. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5DB18.2DA58F10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: The End of Timeless Instruments? (Craig Anderton editorial)</TIT= LE> </HEAD> <BODY> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>>>they're probably doomed...and I don't like that o= ne bit...... What kind of a world have we created where instruments are inh= erently disposable?<<</FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I think craig's just getting old. he seems to be contradi= cting himself here. there aren't fewer guitars or keyboards being made now = than there were in 1966 when his tele was born. probably just the opposite.= anyone else think he just had a bad day with a computer? </FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>the most popular virtual instruments are designed, largel= y, to either emulate real instruments of some interest that, for whatever r= eason (I'm choosing these words carefully, aren't I?) aren't widely availab= le any more. & so we have the likes of the arturia moog "replacing= " the real thing. </FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>or they're designed to let you build new instruments from= the ground up, like the thing that came bundled with my g/f's logic softwa= re, or the line6 variax toolbench.</FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>yes, there's a lot of this stuff about, & yes it may= have a finite lifespan because the support will go away sooner. but this i= sn't stopping fender & korg from selling thousands more real instrument= s every day than they could have dreamed of selling back in the 60s or 70s.= </FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>duncan.</FONT> </P> <CODE><FONT SIZE=3D3><BR> <BR> ***************************************************************************= <BR> CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE<BR> <BR> The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user<BR> of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also<BR> be privileged. 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(Craig Anderton editorial) In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8A0D@lon-oxmail02> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8A0D@lon-oxmail02> Resent-Message-ID: <PGDF_B.A.x8B.EmQYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:08:21 +0000 (UTC) I think his point was that the software-based instruments and tools seem to be inherently disposable On 10/27/05, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com <goddard.duncan@mtvne.com> wrote: > > > >>they're probably doomed...and I don't like that one bit...... What kind= of > a world have we created where instruments are inherently disposable?<< > > I think craig's just getting old. he seems to be contradicting himself he= re. > there aren't fewer guitars or keyboards being made now than there were in > 1966 when his tele was born. probably just the opposite. anyone else thin= k > he just had a bad day with a computer? > > the most popular virtual instruments are designed, largely, to either > emulate real instruments of some interest that, for whatever reason (I'm > choosing these words carefully, aren't I?) aren't widely available any mo= re. > & so we have the likes of the arturia moog "replacing" the real thing. > > or they're designed to let you build new instruments from the ground up, > like the thing that came bundled with my g/f's logic software, or the lin= e6 > variax toolbench. > > > yes, there's a lot of this stuff about, & yes it may have a finite lifesp= an > because the support will go away sooner. but this isn't stopping fender & > korg from selling thousands more real instruments every day than they cou= ld > have dreamed of selling back in the 60s or 70s. > > duncan. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 17:20:45 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 969543BF3A; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:20:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <kellycoyle@charter.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,259,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="1662749564:sNHT14357312" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8A0D@lon-oxmail02> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8A0D@lon-oxmail02> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <20854E7C-E018-4869-A8A4-7FB58AAB539E@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle <kellycoyle@charter.net> Subject: Re: The End of Timeless Instruments? (Craig Anderton editorial) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:20:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: <mg0TiB.A.wUC.txQYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:20:45 +0000 (UTC) I find Anderton's article interesting in that it made me think about my own patterns. VSTs are about perfect for me because I'm really whimsical about electronics -- nothing lasts too long -- but reasonably loyal to strings. Keep the Tele and trade the Lexicon. With a VST host, whenever I'm bored I can change everything out for new, free or nearly free, stuff. (Although I'll probably pony up for a commercial delay plug...) I doubt that I'll get particularly devoted to anything enough to worry about 2030. The main downside for me is that the resale value of the Receptor (or a laptop) will be pretty much nil after a year or two, whereas I've never really lost money on rack gear or pedals (since I rarely buy new). But I have rationalized this as follows: for a couple-three hundred dollars a year (as my VST player degrades) I get pretty much infinite plugins to goof around with. Most of the "fun" plugins aren't so deep that you need to devote a lot of time to them anyway. Although, in the same breath I will admit I was looking hard at the Eclipse. I don't know if that's the sort of "instrument" you spend years and years with, or whether it just baits you into saving for an H8000. Maybe when my day job improves! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 17:23:07 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD9913BF3C; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:23:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <travishartnett@gmail.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Zvexxc3S+WH0rN7zv8C/bLC3uGhC1lNoV+qlBsyQB0J6T87HBHpMB/PxOjeBe/6VBHxe62Jo0gzgJ2ntP80iHHvG4z4AjA71At4jzq7vReqrAlke0uqOiMETsQ2p1q//3ObwsMwzFeHqum14jMvJkJEN6jQP/mHTeJCuOEgdENM= Message-ID: <d1396fc00510271023m4307406cja14e67bf3485c96d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:23:06 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping back to Krispen's old critics thread (was sorta: using laptops for music" In-Reply-To: <030f01c5db18$283f6af0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <01ca01c5da6d$2c3c0ab0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20051027002836.9105.qmail@web30509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <d1396fc00510262301q2661afdalff52c8622b8fa43c@mail.gmail.com> <02ad01c5dabd$744a55f0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <d1396fc00510262319l396c275r573b940c6cd1f85@mail.gmail.com> <02b901c5dac1$40e54e00$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <d1396fc00510270010r3e8f37d6ycd5a0266963a7ad1@mail.gmail.com> <030f01c5db18$283f6af0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <FHVaPD.A.PbC.7zQYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:23:07 +0000 (UTC) I'm not saying how a review should be, I'm only concerned with a review serving my needs and whims. A lot of reviewers think they're stating facts, or that the facts they choose to state provide an accurate picture of what they're discussing, but I don't take that as a given. I mean, recently I read a dozen reviews of the new Richard Thompson album which described it as his first solo acoustic record since an album he released in the early 80's. However, just reading the album credits showed that it was neither solo nor acoustic, and neither was the previous album being referred to. Actually, the first track of both albums featured both drums played by a non-Richard Thompson and electric guitar. So much for the fact-based statements of those reviews. TravisH On 10/27/05, Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote: > > Pretty much other than the name of the act, the location, the date and > the cover charge--after that it's all a bit questionable. > > I think this statement is questionable, not to mention it's not a > categorical one. It's > a value statement based on what you like to see out of a review, or perha= ps > just > an observation of what you see a lot in reviews, neither of which > necessarily imply what a > decent and well review should look like (and I emphasize "necessarily" > here). I speak > to many music enthusiasts who enjoy very much when a music review provide= s > some > background on a group or CD and actually shows that the reviewer gives a > shit about > their artform, other than just doing a cursory review of a band or CD wi= th > no > regard to context. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 17:32:36 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F09EC3BF3A; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:32:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <khartung@cableone.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <032b01c5db1c$69b58c40$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> References: <01ca01c5da6d$2c3c0ab0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20051027002836.9105.qmail@web30509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <d1396fc00510262301q2661afdalff52c8622b8fa43c@mail.gmail.com> <02ad01c5dabd$744a55f0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <d1396fc00510262319l396c275r573b940c6cd1f85@mail.gmail.com> <02b901c5dac1$40e54e00$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <d1396fc00510270010r3e8f37d6ycd5a0266963a7ad1@mail.gmail.com> <030f01c5db18$283f6af0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <d1396fc00510271023m4307406cja14e67bf3485c96d@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Looping back to Krispen's old critics thread (was sorta: using laptops for music" Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:32:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 26, in=15092, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <AZNcMB.A.UwC.z8QYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:32:35 +0000 (UTC) > I'm not saying how a review should be, I'm only concerned with a review serving my needs and whims. I love this sort of honesty. Thanks. I wish all reviewers were just as honest. > A lot of reviewers think they're stating facts, or that the facts they choose to state provide an accurate picture of what they're discussing, but I don't take that as a given. True. I think we are in violent agreement here. Basically, they contort value language to look like factual language, or abuse factual language, stating falsehoods. > I mean, recently I read a dozen reviews of the new Richard Thompson album which described it as his first solo acoustic record since an album he released in the early 80's. However, just reading the album credits showed that it was neither solo nor acoustic, and neither was the previous album being referred to. Yup, reviewer didn't do his homework: falacy #2 that we point out above in light of abusing factual language - that is, stating a falsehood. Okay, can we close this topic out and get back to the others? :) I'm behind on this software/laptop discussion...need to read that thread you sited from harmony. Kris On 10/27/05, Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote: > > Pretty much other than the name of the act, the location, the date and > the cover charge--after that it's all a bit questionable. > > I think this statement is questionable, not to mention it's not a > categorical one. It's > a value statement based on what you like to see out of a review, or perhaps > just > an observation of what you see a lot in reviews, neither of which > necessarily imply what a > decent and well review should look like (and I emphasize "necessarily" > here). I speak > to many music enthusiasts who enjoy very much when a music review provides > some > background on a group or CD and actually shows that the reviewer gives a > shit about > their artform, other than just doing a cursory review of a band or CD with > no > regard to context. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 17:34:26 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E224D3BF43; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:34:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <improv@peak.org> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:34:23 -0700 Subject: Re: Looping back to Krispen's old critics thread (was sorta: using laptops for music" Content-Type: text/plain; delsp=yes; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel <improv@peak.org> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: <026501c5daa7$8f603e10$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-Id: <E9D206C6-470F-11DA-BF79-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 1.052 (*) MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <cp3d1B.A.C3C.i-QYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:34:26 +0000 (UTC) On Wednesday, October 26, 2005, at 08:36 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > Oh yes, another poor and innocent virgin listener, violated by the =20 > horrific > maw of experimental music...and of course, he feels compelled to share = =20 > his > experience with the world. :) Well, he is a critic, after all :-) Actually, I think he gives a fairly open-minded assessment of the =20 performances, and, having seen a number of the artists involved in the =20= festival, I tend to agree with his opinions on the various performers. =20= Keith Rowe is amazingly great, I remember the first time I saw AMM, at =20= the duMaurier fest in Vancouver BC in the early 90's, just being =20 stupefied at his subtlety and artistry. I left that performance feeling =20= like my ears had been permanently rewired. I disagree with his take on =20= Greg Kelley, Greg's doing something that I think is very new and =20 virtuosic on trumpet. Plus, he's a hell of a nice guy. But I do feel =20 that some of the new non-idiomatic improv, experimental, "lower-case =20 sound" or whatever they're calling it this week is overrated in some =20 parts of the music press, particularly The Wire magazine. I've been to =20= too many performances where nothing happens, and it's all done with =20 such seriousness of intent, that I long for something, ANYTHING to =20 happen. I know from personal experience that there are wankers and =20 charlatans in experimental music world, just like any other music =20 scene, and just because an artist is doing something "experimental" =20 they shouldn't be automatically above criticism. Hell, any science grad =20= student will tell you that the majority of experiments fail... > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Nelson" <psychle62@yahoo.com> > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 6:28 PM > Subject: Looping back to Krispen's old critics thread (was sorta: = using > laptops for music" > > >> yIKES! >> >> I just found this and found it somewhat amusing, scary >> and, what's more, fairly on-topic. :P >> >> <http://indyweek.com/durham/2003-02-26/music.html> >> >> -t- >> >> np: zo=EB keating: one cello x 16: natoma >> <http://www.zoekeating.com/> >> cued up: the twin atlas: sun township >> <http://www.thetwinatlas.com/> >> later: miles davis: agharta >> <http://www.progreviews.com/reviews/display.php?rev=3Dmd-agh> >> then: einojuhani rautavaara: cantus arcticus >> <http://virtual.finland.fi/netcomm/news/=20 >> showarticle.asp?intNWSAID=3D26170> >> maybe, probably: pseudo buddha: motive >> <http://www.unclebuzz.com/outofprint.html> >> followed by: robert rich: somnium >> <http://www.robertrich.com/rrsomnium.html> >> >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 17:36:49 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D1183BF4D; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:36:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <mungenast@earthlink.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=bkVm5avPCXU/wylAo2t6gVlZutkzQkRYP5Veuhpp9VO9b4G0PCLpdLhhOYt0xEtQ; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200510427174214730@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" <mungenast@earthlink.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping back to Krispen's old critics thread (was sorta: using laptops for music" Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:42:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94085e96dbaa238c6bd14a010d0d7705d41350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.163 Resent-Message-ID: <ULNTXD.A.x8C.wARYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:36:49 +0000 (UTC) "Hell, any science grad student will tell you that the majority of experiments fail..." Hee hee! Good one... ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: David Trenkel <improv@peak.org> > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > Date: 10/27/2005 1:34:26 PM > Subject: Re: Looping back to Krispen's old critics thread (was sorta: using laptops for music" > > On Wednesday, October 26, 2005, at 08:36 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > > > Oh yes, another poor and innocent virgin listener, violated by the > > horrific > > maw of experimental music...and of course, he feels compelled to share > > his > > experience with the world. :) > > Well, he is a critic, after all :-) > > Actually, I think he gives a fairly open-minded assessment of the > performances, and, having seen a number of the artists involved in the > festival, I tend to agree with his opinions on the various performers. > Keith Rowe is amazingly great, I remember the first time I saw AMM, at > the duMaurier fest in Vancouver BC in the early 90's, just being > stupefied at his subtlety and artistry. I left that performance feeling > like my ears had been permanently rewired. I disagree with his take on > Greg Kelley, Greg's doing something that I think is very new and > virtuosic on trumpet. Plus, he's a hell of a nice guy. But I do feel > that some of the new non-idiomatic improv, experimental, "lower-case > sound" or whatever they're calling it this week is overrated in some > parts of the music press, particularly The Wire magazine. I've been to > too many performances where nothing happens, and it's all done with > such seriousness of intent, that I long for something, ANYTHING to > happen. I know from personal experience that there are wankers and > charlatans in experimental music world, just like any other music > scene, and just because an artist is doing something "experimental" > they shouldn't be automatically above criticism. Hell, any science grad > student will tell you that the majority of experiments fail... > > > > > Kris > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Tim Nelson" <psychle62@yahoo.com> > > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 6:28 PM > > Subject: Looping back to Krispen's old critics thread (was sorta: using > > laptops for music" > > > > > >> yIKES! > >> > >> I just found this and found it somewhat amusing, scary > >> and, what's more, fairly on-topic. :P > >> > >> <http://indyweek.com/durham/2003-02-26/music.html> > >> > >> -t- > >> > >> np: zoë keating: one cello x 16: natoma > >> <http://www.zoekeating.com/> > >> cued up: the twin atlas: sun township > >> <http://www.thetwinatlas.com/> > >> later: miles davis: agharta > >> <http://www.progreviews.com/reviews/display.php?rev=md-agh> > >> then: einojuhani rautavaara: cantus arcticus > >> <http://virtual.finland.fi/netcomm/news/ > >> showarticle.asp?intNWSAID=26170> > >> maybe, probably: pseudo buddha: motive > >> <http://www.unclebuzz.com/outofprint.html> > >> followed by: robert rich: somnium > >> <http://www.robertrich.com/rrsomnium.html> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> __________________________________ > >> Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > >> http://mail.yahoo.com > >> > >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 17:44:43 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64E163BF48; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:44:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:44:37 -0500 From: Jeff Larson <Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM> Subject: Re: The End of Timeless Instruments? (Craig Anderton editorial) In-reply-to: <d1396fc00510271008m63a7b22m8788a4d80729a9c8@mail.gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43611205.9070109@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8A0D@lon-oxmail02> <d1396fc00510271008m63a7b22m8788a4d80729a9c8@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <lzgTlD.A.SLD.KIRYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:44:43 +0000 (UTC) Travis Hartnett wrote: > I think his point was that the software-based instruments and tools > seem to be inherently disposable I think that was his initial point, but I encourage everyone to read this highly insightful thread and decide if that was in fact the conclusion. Few things in life are certain. Two of them however are: 1) Someone will make a lot of money on the Antique VST Host Emulator 2) Through the miracle of open source, some plugins will be around to annoy everyone for as long as there is a programmer in the world that cares. :-) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 17:45:30 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 401113BF40; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:45:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <ditchwrestler@yahoo.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pdXrz96pCSw9fWNsot5P5Jhh4k5YBCL1Ktlo7VG/r7f8hzWu/zx+5pBre+y+FNSrd77ZH0w30Ppb822oe32JSxQsgg+P+rbA88WSvJhbdRPH/js+N7zl9VMZpZ/S17aJWyEUTTBduII7BJ/xykDZwsByB7wWdu+1icfzDSwM4xc= ; Message-ID: <20051027174527.21200.qmail@web34911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:45:27 -0700 (PDT) From: ditch wrestler <ditchwrestler@yahoo.com> Subject: intro To: Loopers Delight <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-321410578-1130435127=:16677" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_gzrtD.A._PD.6IRYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:45:30 +0000 (UTC) --0-321410578-1130435127=:16677 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Greetings, y'all I've been lurking for a few days now and thought I should introduce myself to the party. Hello, everybody. My name is Ted. I'm a bassist, electric but primarily acoustic. I'd like to think of my musical tastes as being rather diverse but I'm, for now (at least), rather centred around things on the free/improvised end though I'm getting into the classical world and have recently joined a community orchestra. My interest in looping is pretty undeveloped right now. I've got some ideas/projects on what I'd like to do with a looper or two (once I get my hands on one) but it'll be a 'live with instrument' scenario so I'm trying to suss out the real-time options like the boss rc-20, Line 6 dl4, and boomerang. Anyway, pleased to meet everybody here. I'm located in south-western ontario, if there happen to be any other canucks around... ted harms --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --0-321410578-1130435127=:16677 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit <DIV>Greetings, y'all</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've been lurking for a few days now and thought I should introduce myself to the party.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hello, everybody.  My name is Ted.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm a bassist, electric but primarily acoustic.  I'd like to think of my musical tastes as being rather diverse but I'm, for now (at least), rather centred around things on the free/improvised end though I'm getting into the classical world and have recently joined a community orchestra.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My interest in looping is pretty undeveloped right now.  I've got some ideas/projects on what I'd like to do with a looper or two (once I get my hands on one) but it'll be a 'live with instrument' scenario so I'm trying to suss out the real-time options like the boss rc-20, Line 6 dl4, and boomerang.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyway, pleased to meet everybody here.  I'm located in south-western ontario, if there happen to be any other canucks around...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>ted harms</DIV><p> <hr size=1> <a href="http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTFqODRtdXQ4BF9TAzMyOTc1MDIEX3MDOTY2ODgxNjkEcG9zAzEEc2VjA21haWwtZm9vdGVyBHNsawNmYw--/SIG=110oav78o/**http%3a//farechase.yahoo.com/">Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.</a> --0-321410578-1130435127=:16677-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 17:51:31 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 382B33BF3A; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:51:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <Nemoguitt@aol.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <206.cb8f35e.30926d9d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:51:25 EDT Subject: Re: The End of Timeless Instruments? (Craig Anderton editorial) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_206.cb8f35e.30926d9d_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: YES Resent-Message-ID: <rxo4BC.A.pZD.iORYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:51:31 +0000 (UTC) --part1_206.cb8f35e.30926d9d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/27/05 2:15:44 AM, travishartnett@gmail.com writes: > But fast forward to 2035 > NO!.....:)m --part1_206.cb8f35e.30926d9d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><HTML><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Gen= eva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2"><BR> In a message dated 10/27/05 2:15:44 AM, travishartnett@gmail.com writes:<BR> <BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE CITE STYLE=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;=20= MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px" TYPE=3D"CITE"></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#0= 00000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">But fast forward to 2= 035<BR> </BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSE= RIF" SIZE=3D"2"><BR> <BR> NO!.....:)m</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERI= F" SIZE=3D"2"></FONT></HTML> --part1_206.cb8f35e.30926d9d_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 18:02:07 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26B493BF56; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:02:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <simart@gmail.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=K0Ke2UHzlHnfR+SUByqCsA1uX64a6R6OvUzTmE2mqQCD3QoHcOsKoB2lgyLrSG3HrRlXDZxX8vG84JlFI00K80V6FWNd8w3NIqXsre7elgmAxAOua0DWDR5yvQkrZvaGZjCWOiBIrto5G0MNt7Hdn0e4L9wnLYQhHlxVvUfwoWQ= Message-ID: <588ce11d0510271102u4146ebfdhcbcd9cda1d24d655@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:02:06 -0700 From: Art Simon <simart@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The End of Timeless Instruments? (Craig Anderton editorial) In-Reply-To: <20854E7C-E018-4869-A8A4-7FB58AAB539E@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8A0D@lon-oxmail02> <20854E7C-E018-4869-A8A4-7FB58AAB539E@charter.net> Resent-Message-ID: <8BT7FB.A.gDE.eYRYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:02:07 +0000 (UTC) This kind of reminds me of the whole vinyl vs. cd debate of years past. Virtual Instruments and hardware are different, and in some ways hardware is better, but vitural instruments, have _so_ many advantages. I think Anderton is right that there is something fundamentally different about virtual instruments that does make them disposable. I sold my hardware to pay for my software--but I'm not going to be able to sell the software later to buy something else. Stylus RMX, for example, specifically prohibits resale in the license agreement, and there just doens't seem to be much of a resale market for software. Maybe software will become "collectable", but it would have to be in a different manner than hardware. I can imagine a future for "boutique" computer builders who would construct systems that run or emulate old operating systems for people who are attached to old software. I think there is some of that going on now amoung people who collect computers. While this disposability is somewhat worrying, is it a big deal? I don't think so. Virtual Instruments are so cool in so many ways, I'm happy to live with the trade offs. For someone with limited money and space (like me) I think they are a boon. And, the financial investment in software is comparitively small, so designers can make really cool, strange stuff that could never be "built" for a reasonable cost. If you haven't checked out the plug-ins at http://www.xoxos.net/ by all means do so. "discipline2" is a very cool delay (sort of looper?) described as "discipline2 thanks to brokengadget for the inspiration. take signal, delay, no feedback.. feed output of delay thru other delay.. repeat for total of five delays. add a randomised switcher to select taps, sync it to the beat, make it stereo. here is your sound, your sound, sound, here, here, sound, is, is, your, sound, is your.. disc2 adds a q-style probability clock so that randomisation sequences can be repeated" And it's free! I've been using discipline2 with Mobius and it's crazy. I could have never put together a rig like that with hardware. On 10/27/05, Kelly Coyle <kellycoyle@charter.net> wrote: > I find Anderton's article interesting in that it made me think about > my own patterns. VSTs are about perfect for me because I'm really > whimsical about electronics -- nothing lasts too long -- but > reasonably loyal to strings. Keep the Tele and trade the Lexicon. > With a VST host, whenever I'm bored I can change everything out for > new, free or nearly free, stuff. (Although I'll probably pony up for > a commercial delay plug...) I doubt that I'll get particularly > devoted to anything enough to worry about 2030. The main downside for > me is that the resale value of the Receptor (or a laptop) will be > pretty much nil after a year or two, whereas I've never really lost > money on rack gear or pedals (since I rarely buy new). But I have > rationalized this as follows: for a couple-three hundred dollars a > year (as my VST player degrades) I get pretty much infinite plugins > to goof around with. Most of the "fun" plugins aren't so deep that > you need to devote a lot of time to them anyway. > > Although, in the same breath I will admit I was looking hard at the > Eclipse. I don't know if that's the sort of "instrument" you spend > years and years with, or whether it just baits you into saving for an > H8000. Maybe when my day job improves! > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 18:19:43 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB2493BF53; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:19:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <bigtony@softhome.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <013801c5db23$0b43d3e0$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" <bigtony@softhome.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <43611205.9070109@sun.com> Subject: Re: The End of Timeless Instruments? (Craig Anderton editorial) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:12:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: <kF8IOD.A.1kE._oRYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:19:43 +0000 (UTC) > > Few things in life are certain. Two of them however are: > > 1) Someone will make a lot of money on the Antique VST Host Emulator Or it'll be release as freeware like MAME (www.mame.net) so we can play with all those toys we had in the dim and distant past. > 2) Through the miracle of open source, some plugins will be around to > annoy everyone for as long as there is a programmer in the > world that cares. And undoubtedly there will always be a programmer who cares. :) btw, I found a whole bunch of stuff for my Opcode on www.archive.org. Seems they archived the opcode.com site before it disapeared. Now to see if the old stuff works in the new environment. Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 18:28:20 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 700C33BF50; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:28:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <mwsmart@insightbb.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001401c5db24$8d0be600$8460dd0c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" <mwsmart@insightbb.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> References: <43611205.9070109@sun.com> <013801c5db23$0b43d3e0$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> Subject: Re: The End of Timeless Instruments? (Craig Anderton editorial) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:30:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: <p5JOHC.A.X4E.ExRYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:28:20 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony K" <bigtony@softhome.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 1:12 PM Subject: Re: The End of Timeless Instruments? (Craig Anderton editorial) > > > > Few things in life are certain. Two of them however are: > > > > 1) Someone will make a lot of money on the Antique VST Host Emulator > > Or it'll be release as freeware like MAME (www.mame.net) so we can play with > all those toys we had in the dim and distant past. Yeah, I think this is likely. Just a couple of years ago I was able to resurrect a bunch of programs I wrote on my Commodore VIC-20 in 1983 for use with the VICE Commodore emulator: http://www.viceteam.org/ Someone was actually crazy enough to write a program that takes your old VIC-20 or C64 cassette tapes and turns them into files that the VICE emulator can understand. You play the tape into your computer and record it as a .wav. Then this program munches on it and turns it into a tape image file. I tried it and it worked the first time. The tapes were 20 years old! Pretty impressive. Now on my PC I can play the twisted video games I wrote in Basic when I was 15. If someone will write a VIC-20 tape converter, then it's likely someone in the future will write a free VST host to work on Windows ZZ. At least I hope so. I will be really bummed if Native Instruments goes out of business and I can't use Reaktor anymore! Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 18:33:34 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A66D53BF5B; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:33:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <khartung@cableone.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <036801c5db24$ee797510$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> References: <410-2200510427174214730@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Looping back to Krispen's old critics thread (was sorta: using laptops for music" Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:33:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 363, in=153213, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <NdvYRB.A.UEF.-1RYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:33:34 +0000 (UTC) > "Hell, any science grad student will tell you that the majority of > experiments fail..." yeah, that's a good thing in science as it turns out from a learning standpoint, and in experimenal music too in my opinion. I recall a quote from Miles Davis, something to the effect that if you aren't making mistakes, you aren't playing jazz. It feel the same applies to improv and most experimental music. In fact, I think of improv/exp music as just a big pool of mistakes and succeses, all working together to create a holistic product....sometimes reviewers get got up in the little things and miss the big picture of the significance of experimental music. Historically, this is relative. What is now pop was at one point in time somewhat experimental? Perhaps. Pop music in the rennassance era? Good grief, they might have thought it was noise/devil music. Hell, the flatted fifth interval was specifically referred to as the devil's interval. Now it is the cornerstone interival of blues and jazz, along with the "blue note." Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Mungenast" <mungenast@earthlink.net> > "Hell, any science grad student will tell you that the majority of > experiments fail..." > > Hee hee! Good one... > ~Tim > > > > [Original Message] > > From: David Trenkel <improv@peak.org> > > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > > Date: 10/27/2005 1:34:26 PM > > Subject: Re: Looping back to Krispen's old critics thread (was sorta: > using laptops for music" > > > > On Wednesday, October 26, 2005, at 08:36 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > > > > > Oh yes, another poor and innocent virgin listener, violated by the > > > horrific > > > maw of experimental music...and of course, he feels compelled to share > > > his > > > experience with the world. :) > > > > Well, he is a critic, after all :-) > > > > Actually, I think he gives a fairly open-minded assessment of the > > performances, and, having seen a number of the artists involved in the > > festival, I tend to agree with his opinions on the various performers. > > Keith Rowe is amazingly great, I remember the first time I saw AMM, at > > the duMaurier fest in Vancouver BC in the early 90's, just being > > stupefied at his subtlety and artistry. I left that performance feeling > > like my ears had been permanently rewired. I disagree with his take on > > Greg Kelley, Greg's doing something that I think is very new and > > virtuosic on trumpet. Plus, he's a hell of a nice guy. But I do feel > > that some of the new non-idiomatic improv, experimental, "lower-case > > sound" or whatever they're calling it this week is overrated in some > > parts of the music press, particularly The Wire magazine. I've been to > > too many performances where nothing happens, and it's all done with > > such seriousness of intent, that I long for something, ANYTHING to > > happen. I know from personal experience that there are wankers and > > charlatans in experimental music world, just like any other music > > scene, and just because an artist is doing something "experimental" > > they shouldn't be automatically above criticism. Hell, any science grad > > student will tell you that the majority of experiments fail... > > > > > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Tim Nelson" <psychle62@yahoo.com> > > > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 6:28 PM > > > Subject: Looping back to Krispen's old critics thread (was sorta: using > > > laptops for music" > > > > > > > > >> yIKES! > > >> > > >> I just found this and found it somewhat amusing, scary > > >> and, what's more, fairly on-topic. :P > > >> > > >> <http://indyweek.com/durham/2003-02-26/music.html> > > >> > > >> -t- > > >> > > >> np: zoë keating: one cello x 16: natoma > > >> <http://www.zoekeating.com/> > > >> cued up: the twin atlas: sun township > > >> <http://www.thetwinatlas.com/> > > >> later: miles davis: agharta > > >> <http://www.progreviews.com/reviews/display.php?rev=md-agh> > > >> then: einojuhani rautavaara: cantus arcticus > > >> <http://virtual.finland.fi/netcomm/news/ > > >> showarticle.asp?intNWSAID=26170> > > >> maybe, probably: pseudo buddha: motive > > >> <http://www.unclebuzz.com/outofprint.html> > > >> followed by: robert rich: somnium > > >> <http://www.robertrich.com/rrsomnium.html> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> __________________________________ > > >> Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > > >> http://mail.yahoo.com > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 18:41:22 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 457BE3BF5F; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:41:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <khartung@cableone.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <038401c5db26$050808e0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Cc: "PAPA DAVE" <Omstrider@aol.com> Subject: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new additions - Adrien West & Andy Butler) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:41:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0381_01C5DAF3.B97AAD60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 361, in=149147, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <0ohbdB.A.PWF.S9RYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:41:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0381_01C5DAF3.B97AAD60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Below are new additions of Y2K5 recordings: Andy Butler's set, and = Adrien West's set withh the 6-string electric violin/mandolin. Kris Andy Butler 00 - Rick's Intro - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096417.html 01 - Kasaundi - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1095610.html 02 - Aquarium 2 - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1115735.html 03 - Hanging Garden - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096133.html 04 - Altitude - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096418.html 05 - Backwater - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096419.html 06 - Falling Marbles - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096435.html Adrien West - 6-string electric violin/mandolin http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1033665.html Doug Wright - Akai EWI, Tenor Saxophone http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1035694.html Goh Nakamura - acoustic guitar & vocals http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1035892.html Stanosaur - electric guitar http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034479.html Scott Drengsen - bass http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034478.html Ute Bonn - vocals http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1036700.html Herb Heinz & Tim Thompson (HOOPLA) http://nosuchmedia.com/audio/hoopla_y2k5.mp3 Bernhard Wagner - electric guitar Part One - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987792.html Part Two (Verbal Intro) - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/991792.html Part Two - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/991793.html Part Three - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987794.html Part Four (with Max Valentino) - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987795.html Max Valentino - bass Part One (with Bernhard Wagner) - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/992129.html Ted Killian - electric guitar Rick's Intro and Ted Warming Up - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987388.html Part One - Guitar Dyslexia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985656.html Part Two - Guitar Dysphasia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985657.html Part Three - Guitar Dyspasia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/988212.html Greg Powers http://box.net/public/khartung/files/976586.html Ghost 7 - bass http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975372.html Krispen Hartung - electric guitar http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html ------=_NextPart_000_0381_01C5DAF3.B97AAD60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v =3D=20 "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o =3D=20 "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w =3D=20 "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 =3D=20 "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1522" name=3DGENERATOR><!--[if !mso]> <STYLE>v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } o\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } .shape { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } </STYLE> <![endif]--><o:SmartTagType=20 namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"=20 name=3D"PersonName"></o:SmartTagType><!--[if !mso]> <STYLE> st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } </STYLE> <![endif]--> <STYLE> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:"Arial Narrow"; panose-1:2 11 5 6 2 2 2 3 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} span.EmailStyle18 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:Arial; color:blue; font-weight:normal; font-style:normal; text-decoration:none none;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </STYLE> <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext=3D"edit" spidmax=3D"1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext=3D"edit"> <o:idmap v:ext=3D"edit" data=3D"1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></HEAD> <BODY lang=3DEN-US vLink=3Dblue link=3Dblue bgColor=3Dwhite> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Below are new additions of = Y2K5=20 recordings: Andy Butler's set, and Adrien West's set withh the = 6-string electric violin/mandolin.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Kris</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Andy = Butler</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>00 - Rick's Intro - <A = class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096417.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow"=20 color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096417.html</FONT><= /STRONG></A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>01 - Kasaundi - <A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1095610.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow"=20 color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1095610.html</FONT><= /STRONG></A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>02 - Aquarium 2 - <A class=3Dpublic_url = href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1115735.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow"=20 color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1115735.html</FONT><= /STRONG></A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>03 - Hanging Garden - <A = class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096133.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow"=20 color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096133.html</FONT><= /STRONG></A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>04 - Altitude</FONT> <FONT = face=3DArial size=3D2>-=20 <A class=3Dpublic_url = href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096418.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow"=20 color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096418.html</FONT><= /STRONG></A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>05 - Backwater - <A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096419.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow"=20 color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096419.html</FONT><= /STRONG></A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>06 - Falling Marbles - <A = class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096435.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow"=20 color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096435.html</FONT><= /STRONG></A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Adrien West</STRONG> - 6-string = electric=20 violin/mandolin</FONT></DIV> <DIV><A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1033665.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" color=3D#0099cc=20 size=3D2>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1033665.html</FONT></STRONG= ></A></DIV> <DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Doug Wright - </STRONG>Akai = EWI, Tenor=20 Saxophone</FONT></DIV> <DIV><A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1035694.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" color=3D#0099cc=20 size=3D2>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1035694.html</FONT></STRONG= ></A></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Goh Nakamura -</STRONG> = acoustic guitar=20 & vocals</FONT></DIV> <DIV><A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1035892.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" color=3D#0099cc=20 size=3D2>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1035892.html</FONT></STRONG= ></A></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Stanosaur - </STRONG>electric=20 guitar</FONT></DIV> <DIV><A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034479.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" color=3D#0099cc=20 size=3D2>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034479.html</FONT></STRONG= ></A></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Scott Drengsen - = </STRONG>bass</FONT></DIV> <DIV><U><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" color=3D#0099cc size=3D2><A = class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034478.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034478.html= </STRONG></A></FONT></U></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Ute Bonn - = </STRONG>vocals</FONT></DIV> <DIV><A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1036700.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Arial Narrow" color=3D#0099cc=20 size=3D2>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1036700.html</FONT></STRONG= ></A></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Herb Heinz & Tim Thompson=20 (HOOPLA)</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><A href=3D"http://nosuchmedia.com/audio/hoopla_y2k5.mp3"><FONT = face=3DArial=20 size=3D2>http://nosuchmedia.com/audio/hoopla_y2k5.mp3</FONT></A></DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><STRONG>Bernhard Wagner -</STRONG> = electric=20 guitar</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Part One - <A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987792.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT=20 color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987792.html</FONT></= STRONG></A></DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Part Two (Verbal Intro) - <A = class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/991792.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT=20 color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/991792.html</FONT></= STRONG></A></DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Part Two - <A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/991793.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT=20 color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/991793.html</FONT></= STRONG></A></DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Part Three - <A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987794.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT=20 color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987794.html</FONT></= STRONG></A></DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Part Four (with Max Valentino) - <A=20 class=3Dpublic_url = href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987795.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT=20 color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987795.html</FONT></= STRONG></A></DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><STRONG>Max Valentino -</STRONG> = bass</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Part One (with Bernhard Wagner) = -<STRONG> <A=20 class=3Dpublic_url = href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/992129.html"=20 target=3D_blank><FONT=20 color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/992129.html</FONT></= A></STRONG></DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><STRONG>Ted Killian -</STRONG> electric=20 guitar</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Rick's Intro and Ted Warming Up - <A=20 class=3Dpublic_url = href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987388.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT=20 color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987388.html</FONT></= STRONG></A></DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Part One - Guitar Dyslexia - <A = class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985656.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT=20 color=3D#0099cc>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985656.html</FONT></= STRONG></A></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Part Two - Guitar Dysphasia - </FONT><A = class=3Dpublic_url = href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985657.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0099cc=20 size=3D2>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985657.html</FONT></STRONG>= </A></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Part Three - Guitar Dyspasia - = </FONT><A=20 class=3Dpublic_url = href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/988212.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0099cc=20 size=3D2>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/988212.html</FONT></STRONG>= </A></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Greg = Powers</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0099cc size=3D2><A class=3Dpublic_url=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/976586.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/976586.html<= /STRONG></A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Ghost 7 -</STRONG> = bass</FONT></DIV> <DIV><A class=3Dpublic_url = href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975372.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0099cc=20 size=3D2>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975372.html</FONT></STRONG>= </A></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG>Krispen Hartung -</STRONG> = electric=20 guitar</FONT></DIV> <DIV><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><A=20 href=3D"http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html"=20 target=3D_blank><STRONG><B><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0099cc><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #0099cc; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial = Narrow'">http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html</SPAN></FONT></= B></STRONG></A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0381_01C5DAF3.B97AAD60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 18:41:28 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7E093BF6C; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:41:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <kellycoyle@charter.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,259,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="380030317:sNHT15413028" In-Reply-To: <036801c5db24$ee797510$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <410-2200510427174214730@earthlink.net> <036801c5db24$ee797510$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <079F6F17-3610-4C1E-80E0-9596ABAB7CE8@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle <kellycoyle@charter.net> Subject: Re: Looping back to Krispen's old critics thread (was sorta: using laptops for music" Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:40:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: <sjGG3D.A.GaF.Y9RYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:41:28 +0000 (UTC) The second is the new third... On Oct 27, 2005, at 1:33 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > the flatted fifth interval was > specifically referred to as the devil's interval. Now it is the > cornerstone > interival of blues and jazz, along with the "blue note." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 18:45:02 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 874913BF65; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:45:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <travishartnett@gmail.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=b1A9Q211wDkp4kCqSKiAXr0cArV28Y0t7pJf4dQmggAv2Rg18bd77ZsqzRVt2zmyLdtl9ytdJELkhT/d5FOOt2Lbu8Ijh5p8ZiKE69eLn9BNkXAh7sBO3K4H77uoWr1eLMPR2mqLAUEGYpgqm80PSPC9GEfG5ffhB58IvXV+5t8= Message-ID: <d1396fc00510271145k1ea179eak6479eeeca916c53e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:45:00 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping back to Krispen's old critics thread (was sorta: using laptops for music" In-Reply-To: <036801c5db24$ee797510$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <410-2200510427174214730@earthlink.net> <036801c5db24$ee797510$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <QEfk1C.A.HhF.uASYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:45:02 +0000 (UTC) Of course, Miles also said that if you look at your audience at a gig and there's no women there, your shit is dead.... TravisH On 10/27/05, Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote: > > "Hell, any science grad student will tell you that the majority of > > experiments fail..." > > yeah, that's a good thing in science as it turns out from a learning > standpoint, and in experimenal music too in my opinion. I recall a quote > from Miles Davis, something to the effect that if you aren't making > mistakes, you aren't playing jazz. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 18:50:12 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59B023BF3A; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:50:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <khartung@cableone.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <039d01c5db27$40f1e7d0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> References: <410-2200510427174214730@earthlink.net> <036801c5db24$ee797510$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <079F6F17-3610-4C1E-80E0-9596ABAB7CE8@charter.net> Subject: Re: Looping back to Krispen's old critics thread (was sorta: using laptops for music" Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:50:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 364, in=164506, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <I2TPrB.A.AtF.kFSYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:50:12 +0000 (UTC) Ah yes, the tone in between a 3rd and flatted 3rd interval, I'm guessing you mean. Folks with so-called perfect pitch love that one! Of course, my most favorite dyad of all is the root and the minor second interval. Or could be regarded as the root and flatted 9th interval in jazz theory, where they don't give a hoot about octaves half of the time...gives you those really hip and tight tone clusters that sound relatively abstract but are merely altered dominant chords....the beauty of playing the piano or having extremely long fingers as a guitar player, I suppose. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly Coyle" <kellycoyle@charter.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 12:40 PM Subject: Re: Looping back to Krispen's old critics thread (was sorta: using laptops for music" > The second is the new third... > > > On Oct 27, 2005, at 1:33 PM, Kris Hartung wrote: > > > the flatted fifth interval was > > specifically referred to as the devil's interval. Now it is the > > cornerstone > > interival of blues and jazz, along with the "blue note." > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 18:57:04 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED7E03BF6D; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:57:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <khartung@cableone.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03a701c5db28$36aba300$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> References: <410-2200510427174214730@earthlink.net> <036801c5db24$ee797510$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <d1396fc00510271145k1ea179eak6479eeeca916c53e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Looping back to Krispen's old critics thread (was sorta: using laptops for music" Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:56:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 361, in=149158, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <aBbw0.A.p7F._LSYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:57:03 +0000 (UTC) Hilarious. I wonder what the looper corollary to that quote is? :) Miles said a lot of crazy things...I have some MP3s of him, one of which he's talking about how he could tell whether a jazz band was black or white without seeing them....he said he could just tell...they played and how it felt. Then there are the rumors, probably untrue these days since I hope we're all color blind and musicians have cross-polinated, that back when jazz got started, caucasians tend to play ahead of the beat, where as the african-american jazzers played behind the beat...more relaxed rather than uptight and rushed. This is what I like about Scofield's playing...he is loose as a goose, man...just lingering behind the beat a bit. I love that feel. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" <travishartnett@gmail.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Of course, Miles also said that if you look at your audience at a gig and there's no women there, your shit is dead.... TravisH On 10/27/05, Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote: > > "Hell, any science grad student will tell you that the majority of > > experiments fail..." > > yeah, that's a good thing in science as it turns out from a learning > standpoint, and in experimenal music too in my opinion. I recall a quote > from Miles Davis, something to the effect that if you aren't making > mistakes, you aren't playing jazz. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 19:09:27 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B751F3BF79; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:09:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <joerut@lycos.com> X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 27 Oct 2005 19:09:24 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" <joerut@lycos.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:09:24 -0500 Subject: Re: Looping back to Krispen's old critics thread (was sorta: using laptops for music" X-Originating-Ip: 69.109.166.236 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20051027190924.81F483384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: <AxMTAD.A.IrG.nXSYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:09:27 +0000 (UTC) I've often felt (cynic alert) that that is the exact intent if many reviewe= rs, particularly in weekly rags where getting people riled up enough to wri= te a=20 lette to the editor is all part of the game plan. Joe >Making value statements disguised as factual statements gets >people stoked and look really >insightful and cool, but also piss everyone off that holds the contradicto= ry >value statement. The point >is that writers are smart enough to discern between these two domains of >writing and now how to >be insightful without irritating the shit out of 50% of their readers. --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 19:18:33 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 427483BF72; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:18:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <khartung@cableone.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03bf01c5db2b$36a61d60$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> References: <20051027190924.81F483384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Subject: Re: Looping back to Krispen's old critics thread (was sorta: using laptops for music" Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:18:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 363, in=153256, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <XW96KB.A.4IH.IgSYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:18:33 +0000 (UTC) Abso*!@%!#$lutey, man. It's like it's not about journalism anymore for some rags, but sensationalism and how to expand their reader base using whatever it takes. Of course, they never published my letter to the editor because it was three freakin' pages long and a mini-dissertation on music aesthetics. That's an alternative to Sominex. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe rut" <joerut@lycos.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 1:09 PM Subject: Re: Looping back to Krispen's old critics thread (was sorta: using laptops for music" I've often felt (cynic alert) that that is the exact intent if many reviewers, particularly in weekly rags where getting people riled up enough to write a lette to the editor is all part of the game plan. Joe >Making value statements disguised as factual statements gets >people stoked and look really >insightful and cool, but also piss everyone off that holds the contradictory >value statement. The point >is that writers are smart enough to discern between these two domains of >writing and now how to >be insightful without irritating the shit out of 50% of their readers. -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 20:44:06 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 528A03BF5F; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 20:44:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <cwwbell@gmail.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Wysda0bTi4RanSOWD78uqB+ayzab8NayFcympdaFGePskrcWvji+VHfprlU0putjJQYqeCqKlCr6/+GqXPnGnHb59G9AHOygoIXFftW510tUXa0q4XhiD/N9M8LW22otTzukgjnZ9xnbksxhEDyL1z0DuzBycugh+27UiYJVT3E= Message-ID: <2ab9fc770510271344i68ddf7f5ob530f410e2e40ca9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:44:04 -0400 From: Christopher Bell <cwwbell@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The End of Timeless Instruments? (Craig Anderton editorial) In-Reply-To: <001401c5db24$8d0be600$8460dd0c@insightbb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_22131_17041262.1130445844832" References: <43611205.9070109@sun.com> <013801c5db23$0b43d3e0$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> <001401c5db24$8d0be600$8460dd0c@insightbb.com> Resent-Message-ID: <UMJtD.A.e7B.WwTYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 20:44:06 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_22131_17041262.1130445844832 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Judging by the (lack of) success with audio implementation in Mac OS X's Classic Mode, I am skeptical about the ability to emulate for these purpose= s in the future. Think about all of the problems you've had with drivers for soundcards or audio interfaces in the past. On the bright side, I think current level and future OS's will minimize this problem. I really liked the article, and it made me think. I work with both hard (fo= r lack of a better descriptor) and soft instruments, and think that the possibility of hard instruments never changing and soft instruments disappearing and changing is a pretty exciting one. The creative process ca= n quickly become routine, and changes in your tools can help interrupt that repetitive tendency. On 10/27/05, Mark Smart <mwsmart@insightbb.com> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony K" <bigtony@softhome.net> > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 1:12 PM > Subject: Re: The End of Timeless Instruments? (Craig Anderton editorial) > > > > > > > > Few things in life are certain. Two of them however are: > > > > > > 1) Someone will make a lot of money on the Antique VST Host Emulator > > > > Or it'll be release as freeware like MAME (www.mame.net<http://www.mame= .net>) > so we can play with > > all those toys we had in the dim and distant past. > > Yeah, I think this is likely. Just a couple of years ago I was able to > resurrect > a bunch of programs I wrote on my Commodore VIC-20 in 1983 for use with > the VICE > Commodore emulator: > > http://www.viceteam.org/ > > Someone was actually crazy enough to write a program that takes your old > VIC-20 > or C64 cassette tapes and turns them into files that the VICE emulator ca= n > understand. You play the tape into your computer and record it as a .wav. > Then > this program munches on it and turns it into a tape image file. I tried i= t > and > it worked the first time. The tapes were 20 years old! Pretty impressive. > Now on > my PC I can play the twisted video games I wrote in Basic when I was 15. > > If someone will write a VIC-20 tape converter, then it's likely someone i= n > the > future will write a free VST host to work on Windows ZZ. At least I hope > so. I > will be really bummed if Native Instruments goes out of business and I > can't use > Reaktor anymore! > > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net/ > > ------=_Part_22131_17041262.1130445844832 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline <div>Judging by the (lack of) success with audio implementation in Mac= OS X's Classic Mode, I am skeptical about the ability to emulate for these= purposes in the future. Think about all of the problems you've had with dr= ivers for soundcards or audio interfaces in the past. On the bright side, I= think current level and future OS's will minimize this problem. </div> <div>I really liked the article, and it made me think. I work with bot= h hard (for lack of a better descriptor) and soft instruments, and thi= nk that the possibility of hard instruments never changing and soft instrum= ents disappearing and changing is a pretty exciting one. The creative proce= ss can quickly become routine, and changes in your tools can help interrupt= that repetitive tendency. <br><br> </div> <div><span class=3D"gmail_quote">On 10/27/05, <b class=3D"gmail_sendername"= >Mark Smart</b> <<a href=3D"mailto:mwsmart@insightbb.com">mwsmart@insigh= tbb.com</a>> wrote:</span> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0= px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">----- Original Message -----<br>= From: "Tony K" <<a href=3D"mailto:bigtony@softhome.net">bigton= y@softhome.net </a>><br>To: <<a href=3D"mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">= Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</a>><br>Sent: Thursday, October 27, = 2005 1:12 PM<br>Subject: Re: The End of Timeless Instruments? (Craig Andert= on editorial) <br><br><br>> ><br>> > Few things in life are certain. &nb= sp;Two of them however are:<br>> ><br>> >   &nbs= p;1) Someone will make a lot of money on the Antique VST Host Emulator<br>&= gt;<br>> Or it'll be release as freeware like MAME ( <a href=3D"http://www.mame.net">www.mame.net</a>) so we can play with<br>&g= t; all those toys we had in the dim and distant past.<br><br>Yeah, I think = this is likely. Just a couple of years ago I was able to resurrect<br>a bun= ch of programs I wrote on my Commodore VIC-20 in 1983 for use with the VICE <br>Commodore emulator:<br><br><a href=3D"http://www.viceteam.org/">http://= www.viceteam.org/</a><br><br>Someone was actually crazy enough to write a p= rogram that takes your old VIC-20<br>or C64 cassette tapes and turns them i= nto files that the VICE emulator can <br>understand. You play the tape into your computer and record it as a .wa= v. Then<br>this program munches on it and turns it into a tape image file. = I tried it and<br>it worked the first time. The tapes were 20 years old! Pr= etty impressive. Now on <br>my PC I can play the twisted video games I wrote in Basic when I was 15= .<br><br>If someone will write a VIC-20 tape converter, then it's likely so= meone in the<br>future will write a free VST host to work on Windows ZZ. At= least I hope so. I <br>will be really bummed if Native Instruments goes out of business and I = can't use<br>Reaktor anymore!<br><br>Mark Smart<br><a href=3D"http://www.ma= rksmart.net/">http://www.marksmart.net/</a><br><br></blockquote></div><br> ------=_Part_22131_17041262.1130445844832-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 21:51:39 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C52A13BF5A; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 21:51:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <matigrob@terra.com.br> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 76d6590ae0c2f04248643ba1270e1249 Received-SPF: pass (congo.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.176.10.2 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.176.10.2; envelope-from=matigrob@terra.com.br; helo=[10.1.1.6]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matigrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: <p06002035bf86d8b124ce@[10.1.1.6]> In-Reply-To: <01b601c5da91$7d9866a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <01b601c5da91$7d9866a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:51:20 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob <matigrob@terra.com.br> Subject: Re: LOOP QUOTATIONS/ANECDOTES Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <eEgqi.A.UCE.rvUYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 21:51:39 +0000 (UTC) >I got this quotation from a new friend of mine online today and >loved it and thought it was quite appropos for the >work we all do. great! >You have noticed that everything an Indian does is in a circle, and >that is because the Power of the World always works in circles, and >everything tries to be round.....The Sky is round, and I have heard >that the Earth is round like a ball, and so are all the stars. The >Wind, in its greatest power, whirls. Birds make their nest in >circles, for theirs is the same religion as ours.... Even the >seasons form a great circle in their changing, and always come back >again to where they were. The life of a man is a circle from >childhood to childhood, and so it is in everything where power moves. > >~Black Elk Maybe Black Elk did not know or think of spirals? He must have been aware that noone had ever looked just like him before... You did not suggest to cite ourselves, but its really what I have... I am no poet, but a single time, one late night driving back from mixing that impro, those lirics just came over me and they did fit amazingly well into the ready music, as you can hear in "Repetition" at http://matthias.grob.org/pMusic/CDsE.htm#mantra REPETITION M. Grob, February 1989 We've found, that rithm is in all body, mind and even in our soul air is trembling at the speed of sound rhythm is in stars and stones around even as slow as years and ages turned over like pages generations - incarnations - revolutions - respirations some are harmonic, some are sad some are growing, some go mad some can feel all the vibes others just dream in the nights... But all can be aware of great power which is there: all is turning back but never it's the same all is turning back but never it's the same That's what creates the illusion of our universe ! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 21:57:04 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2F873BF57; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 21:57:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VOP+nutdOSECgBQ/+wc3TB+5zkgortQy62rWB0KVgL+zKXPBBvKwayn8NGCMGCaLrJNiboOuLlmtmrDYUJtP9xL8CX+f9v7gc0XGYfX3xcOROaFhFYt6p7w0xYlZDqZEGmBn3Ypl36a2ckhYeyT6fLNnBmnVetZVaGb4EnodKo0= ; Message-ID: <20051027215702.5612.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:57:02 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Looping back to Krispen's old critics thread (was sorta: using laptops for music" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051027002836.9105.qmail@web30509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <tCFMn.A.cOE.w0UYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 21:57:04 +0000 (UTC) I have to say that I've been to these shows and I totally understand the position of the reviewer. A few true musicians who use noise, but mostly people who can't be bothered to learn music of any kind who are just fucking around. Mark --- Tim Nelson <psychle62@yahoo.com> wrote: > yIKES! > > I just found this and found it somewhat amusing, > scary > and, what's more, fairly on-topic. :P > > <http://indyweek.com/durham/2003-02-26/music.html> > > -t- > > np: zoë keating: one cello x 16: natoma > <http://www.zoekeating.com/> > cued up: the twin atlas: sun township > <http://www.thetwinatlas.com/> > later: miles davis: agharta > <http://www.progreviews.com/reviews/display.php?rev=md-agh> > then: einojuhani rautavaara: cantus arcticus > <http://virtual.finland.fi/netcomm/news/showarticle.asp?intNWSAID=26170> > maybe, probably: pseudo buddha: motive > <http://www.unclebuzz.com/outofprint.html> > followed by: robert rich: somnium > <http://www.robertrich.com/rrsomnium.html> > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > > __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Oct 27 23:32:37 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F1AD3BF57; Thu, 27 Oct 2005 23:32:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <psychle62@yahoo.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=l5GAmZXk2s637rXldIfLJ/4Uie7p+4leeQ04BPwwZDEPXHHE1rRpECFff+c+q/rzIyRFUl5wFpJaIb73CEgDk/1xT9+7mJwTABNEs8hctPBlDhV66jqiEdRJ5XXfijBuiQWIEY0/5KaXSat4G7Ygk6heGfsLnUThc0nRTOIIt2o= ; Message-ID: <20051027233235.54729.qmail@web30512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:32:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson <psychle62@yahoo.com> Subject: For Mellotron afficionados... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051027215702.5612.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <rOVKkC.A.ZOH.VOWYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 23:32:37 +0000 (UTC) Hey Duncan (et al), check this out: <http://mysterycircuits.com/melloman/melloman.html> -t- __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 28 00:25:40 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B1883BF4D; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 00:25:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <joerut@lycos.com> X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 28 Oct 2005 00:25:37 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" <joerut@lycos.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:25:37 -0500 Subject: Re: Looping back to Krispen's old critics thread (was sorta: using laptops for music" X-Originating-Ip: 69.109.166.236 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20051028002537.BAE8E86B11@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: <Rn0e4B.A.PeD.EAXYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 00:25:40 +0000 (UTC) Mark- I don't think that learning "music" (in the way I think you are using the t= erm) is a necessary component to making music. What constitutes music=20 is often a preconceived notion on the part of the listener/reviewer. I've = heard some great music made by people just "fucking around" who could=20 not play formalized musical ideas if their life depended upon it. I think = in today's musical climate there can exist sound artists who can do what=20 they do without formal music "book learnin'".=20=20 Many of my favorite musical moments come when I am able to *unlearn* music = and just experience sound. I know that is not for everyone. Also, I think this leads to a related topic that I have witnessed in myself= and others, and that is of giving performers more slack for noise once you= =20 know they can play, for example, a Bach Fugue. Granted, someone who can pl= ay a Bach Fugue is probably more likely to to structure his/her noise=20 in such way that it makes more sense to a listener embedded in the western = musical construct. However, the constraints of being embedded in=20 any specific musical tradition can often shackle the ears and keep one from= an otherwise enjoyable experience (of noise). That being said, I've walked out of my fair share of shows because I wasn't= connecting to the noise being played that night. I've also marveled at=20 some complete novices simply going nuts with noise and been sucked in by th= eir energy and delight at the ruckus they were making. Blah blah..how I ramble...just some thoughts Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping back to Krispen's old critics thread (was sorta: using= laptops for music" Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:57:02 -0700 (PDT) >=20 > I have to say that I've been to these shows and I > totally understand the position of the reviewer. A > few true musicians who use noise, but mostly people > who can't be bothered to learn music of any kind who > are just fucking around. >=20 > Mark --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 28 00:33:17 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 673A93BF4D; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 00:33:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <joerut@lycos.com> X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 28 Oct 2005 00:33:14 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" <joerut@lycos.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:33:14 -0500 Subject: Re: LOOP QUOTATIONS/ANECDOTES X-Originating-Ip: 69.109.166.236 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20051028003314.816F386B11@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: <l8Op5B.A.MrD.MHXYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 00:33:17 +0000 (UTC) I've always like this quote. i think it says a lot about looping: "number nine.......number nine.......number nine.......number nine........n= umber nine....." :) -The Beatles (and probably Yoko), "Revolution #9" also: "Come ON! Let's do it AGAAIIN" -Peter Frampton, "Do You Feel Like We Do?" Joe Rut --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 28 01:28:13 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 405E43BF69; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 01:28:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <psychle62@yahoo.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IrUNSyj9nvRuNawJqaGmf4GSiBkxwUQ9yYEY+JKd7O99GXQFk3snXtZhPTfpg19FYZjPBVPGRL3GW8Okwz/hWstxlBginxQDnelKzM9YpMcXENs0nqhfzd9WWpGC6NJNafAG1IFTlcR+PwKTLD4VaDhfimDTD7QNMCQ3yUeJaK4= ; Message-ID: <20051028012810.81392.qmail@web30514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:28:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson <psychle62@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: LOOP QUOTATIONS/ANECDOTES To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051028003314.816F386B11@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <LRybn.A.nNF.s6XYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 01:28:13 +0000 (UTC) How about at the end of Pink Floyd's 'The Wall' where the last words heard are "Isn't this...", providing loopresolution to the "...where we came in?", the very FIRST sound on the album? (Or the Snowy White guitar solo on the 8-track cartridge version of 'Animals' which turns that album into a big loop as well...) -t- __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 28 01:46:07 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F0033BF76; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 01:46:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <stillllscary@yahoo.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3xjdUL+yHtR/eeJMge09uj+NY2Eop2plXfoet8ZyNVP1jTl+y3B3O2+ha9f/jMubGLGc25tQCYAl4FZeTw6Gh49HIbQ1M+l3WxkYL3x/61yJT/RlQ9Cghbf5CYl/6d0MjJS2kZHggrI9C5hM9ahgRKeZdd2KKNwZEZdyZydPQQM= ; Message-ID: <20051028014605.66388.qmail@web32512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:46:05 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson <stillllscary@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: LOOP QUOTATIONS/ANECDOTES To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051028003314.816F386B11@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-157578387-1130463965=:66299" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <FD3WQ.A.6mF.fLYYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 01:46:07 +0000 (UTC) --0-157578387-1130463965=:66299 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit wake me up dead man wake me up dead man...urban legend or....you do know the walrus was paul?play the chourus of another one bites the dust backward,and whats that weird mumbo/jumbo in stairway to heaven fliped and mirrored like the demon dog cover of the lp if i used samples these would all have a slot D=me2 *<{,':-}) joe rut <joerut@lycos.com> wrote: I've always like this quote. i think it says a lot about looping: "number nine.......number nine.......number nine.......number nine........number nine....." :) -The Beatles (and probably Yoko), "Revolution #9" also: "Come ON! Let's do it AGAAIIN" -Peter Frampton, "Do You Feel Like We Do?" Joe Rut -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --0-157578387-1130463965=:66299 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit <DIV>wake me up dead man wake me up dead man...urban legend or....you do know the walrus was paul?play the chourus of another one bites the dust backward,and whats that weird mumbo/jumbo in stairway to heaven fliped and mirrored like the demon dog cover of the lp </DIV> <DIV>if i used samples these would all have a slot      D=me2      *<{,':-})<BR><BR><B><I>joe rut <joerut@lycos.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">I've always like this quote. i think it says a lot about looping:<BR><BR>"number nine.......number nine.......number nine.......number nine........number nine....." :)<BR>-The Beatles (and probably Yoko), "Revolution #9"<BR><BR>also:<BR><BR>"Come ON! Let's do it AGAAIIN"<BR>-Peter Frampton, "Do You Feel Like We Do?"<BR><BR>Joe Rut<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>-- <BR>_______________________________________________<BR><BR>Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages<BR><BR>http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><p> <hr size=1> <a href="http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTFqODRtdXQ4BF9TAzMyOTc1MDIEX3MDOTY2ODgxNjkEcG9zAzEEc2VjA21haWwtZm9vdGVyBHNsawNmYw--/SIG=110oav78o/**http%3a//farechase.yahoo.com/">Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.</a> --0-157578387-1130463965=:66299-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 28 01:47:44 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F5053BF7C; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 01:47:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <ArsOcarina@aol.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <e1.1f27d912.3092dd36@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 21:47:34 EDT Subject: Re: intro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e1.1f27d912.3092dd36_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: YES Resent-Message-ID: <DcHZe.A.gsF._MYYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 01:47:44 +0000 (UTC) --part1_e1.1f27d912.3092dd36_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Welcome aboard, Gee I've said that twice today. 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So??? --part1_e1.1f27d912.3092dd36_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><HTML><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Gen= eva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">Welcome aboard,<BR> <BR> Gee I've said that twice today. What put me in a nautical mood?<BR> "International Talk Like a Pirate Day" was weeks ago now (LOL).<BR> Anywho, I'm the other "Ted" on the list, Ted Killian. Glad to<BR> meet you. I wish I could talk the acoustic bassist I ocassionally<BR> play with from time to time to get "loop savvy. Cool!<BR> <BR> Best regards,<BR> <BR> tEd =AE kiLLiAn<BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#808080" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"= 2">"Different is not always better, but better is always different"<BR> <BR> http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html<BR> http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian<BR> http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html<BR> http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina<BR> http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073<BR> http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314<BR> http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193<BR> <BR> Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,<BR> BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,<BR> AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,<BR> RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,<BR> and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???</FONT><FONT COLOR= =3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2"><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"= 2"></FONT></HTML> --part1_e1.1f27d912.3092dd36_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 28 02:31:32 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C0EE3BF7F; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 02:31:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <phaslem@wightman.ca> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20051027222938.01f959f0@mail.wightman.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:31:23 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul <phaslem@wightman.ca> Subject: Re: intro In-Reply-To: <20051027174527.21200.qmail@web34911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20051027174527.21200.qmail@web34911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4E173EFC; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-43618D7C6B66=======" Resent-Message-ID: <1HTX7.A.q0H.E2YYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 02:31:32 +0000 (UTC) --=======AVGMAIL-43618D7C6B66======= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_1398359==.ALT"; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4E173EFC --=====================_1398359==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4E173EFC Welcome Ted, Where abouts in southwestern ontario are you? I'm somewhere north of Stratford, south of Walkerton. Paul haslem Ontario, Canada www.dulcify.ca At 01:45 PM 10/27/2005, you wrote: >Greetings, y'all > >I've been lurking for a few days now and thought I should introduce myself >to the party. > >Hello, everybody. My name is Ted. > >I'm a bassist, electric but primarily acoustic. I'd like to think of my >musical tastes as being rather diverse but I'm, for now (at least), rather >centred around things on the free/improvised end though I'm getting into >the classical world and have recently joined a community orchestra. > >My interest in looping is pretty undeveloped right now. I've got some >ideas/projects on what I'd like to do with a looper or two (once I get my >hands on one) but it'll be a 'live with instrument' scenario so I'm trying >to suss out the real-time options like the boss rc-20, Line 6 dl4, and >boomerang. > >Anyway, pleased to meet everybody here. I'm located in south-western >ontario, if there happen to be any other canucks around... > > >ted harms > > ><http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTFqODRtdXQ4BF9TAzMyOTc1MDIEX3MDOTY2ODgxNjkEcG9zAzEEc2VjA21haWwtZm9vdGVyBHNsawNmYw--/SIG=110oav78o/**http%3a//farechase.yahoo.com/>Yahoo! >FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --=====================_1398359==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4E173EFC <html> <body> Welcome Ted,<br><br> Where abouts in southwestern ontario are you? I'm somewhere north of Stratford, south of Walkerton.<br><br> Paul haslem<br><br> Ontario, Canada<br><br> <a href="http://www.dulcify.ca/" eudora="autourl">www.dulcify.ca<br><br> <br><br> <br><br> </a>At 01:45 PM 10/27/2005, you wrote:<br><br> <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Greetings, y'all<br>  <br> I've been lurking for a few days now and thought I should introduce myself to the party.<br>  <br> Hello, everybody.  My name is Ted.<br>  <br> I'm a bassist, electric but primarily acoustic.  I'd like to think of my musical tastes as being rather diverse but I'm, for now (at least), rather centred around things on the free/improvised end though I'm getting into the classical world and have recently joined a community orchestra.<br>  <br> My interest in looping is pretty undeveloped right now.  I've got some ideas/projects on what I'd like to do with a looper or two (once I get my hands on one) but it'll be a 'live with instrument' scenario so I'm trying to suss out the real-time options like the boss rc-20, Line 6 dl4, and boomerang.<br>  <br> Anyway, pleased to meet everybody here.  I'm located in south-western ontario, if there happen to be any other canucks around...<br>  <br>  <br> ted harms<br><br> <br> <a href="http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTFqODRtdXQ4BF9TAzMyOTc1MDIEX3MDOTY2ODgxNjkEcG9zAzEEc2VjA21haWwtZm9vdGVyBHNsawNmYw--/SIG=110oav78o/**http%3a//farechase.yahoo.com/"> Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.</a> </blockquote></body> </html> --=====================_1398359==.ALT-- --=======AVGMAIL-43618D7C6B66=======-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 28 05:08:30 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 866393BF88; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 05:08:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <DaVAuk@Hevanet.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4361B298.7000905@Hevanet.com> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:09:44 -0700 From: ".David.Auker." <DaVAuk@Hevanet.com> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Question EDP FCB - Switches References: <1589.66.94.148.190.1129938273.squirrel@webmail.airmail.net> <4359A6B1.7080105@Hevanet.com> <p06002027bf86858ed4b6@[10.1.1.6]> In-Reply-To: <p06002027bf86858ed4b6@[10.1.1.6]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5tYvdB.A.Z5D.OJbYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 05:08:30 +0000 (UTC) Matthias Grob wrote: > David wrote: > >> I just moved from the EFC-7 to the MIDI pedal Behringer FCB1010. The >> switches are nice and beefy, but it does take up a bit of extra floor >> space (not sure, but I think the Expression Pedals are just kinda >> there, but not usable on the EDP). > > > huh? feedback is fundamental! (CC1) > you can also use CC7 for volume Guess I was just fishin' for that...thanks, Mathias! Another EDP item: upon power-up, sometimes (rarely) mine doesn't. I have my gear all plugged into a power strip. Is it ok to just turn that on, with everything turned "on," or should I be using the switch on the EDP itself? (When EDP doesn't power-up, I turn the switch off and on, and it's ok...) Thanks, David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 28 06:03:43 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5517E3BF93; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 06:03:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <billwalker@baymoon.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: <billwalker@baymoon.com> From: "William Walker" <billwalker@baymoon.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: RE: new tunes Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 23:03:42 -0700 Message-ID: <OPEGKDJIMPJBOGCKEPDGEEECCIAA.billwalker@baymoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <4360E240.5030909@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: <57O7J.A.YVF.-8bYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 06:03:43 +0000 (UTC) Loop a medieval smallpipe...go to jail... Its The Law! Bill -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Larson [mailto:Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 7:21 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new tunes Tim Nelson wrote: > I've looped medieval smallpipes. I can see the bumper sticker now: I've looped medieval smallpipes... And I vote! Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 28 13:15:13 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7743A3BF49; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:15:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <mungenast@earthlink.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=oFN0ln1yVM3xbrOc9zt+VMNPAM/ONMqD64xTmu1aHUmoZS4FZudaZOzbX4CmPSFM; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200510528132039990@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" <mungenast@earthlink.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LOOP QUOTATIONS/ANECDOTES Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:20:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940f12189bf7ce580a948bb5ed4bb5f3f8a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.167 Resent-Message-ID: <ckjx_D.A.zWH.hRiYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:15:13 +0000 (UTC) nice work! ~tim > [Original Message] > From: Matthias Grob <matigrob@terra.com.br> > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > Date: 10/27/2005 5:51:39 PM > Subject: Re: LOOP QUOTATIONS/ANECDOTES > > >I got this quotation from a new friend of mine online today and > >loved it and thought it was quite appropos for the > >work we all do. > > great! > > >You have noticed that everything an Indian does is in a circle, and > >that is because the Power of the World always works in circles, and > >everything tries to be round.....The Sky is round, and I have heard > >that the Earth is round like a ball, and so are all the stars. The > >Wind, in its greatest power, whirls. Birds make their nest in > >circles, for theirs is the same religion as ours.... Even the > >seasons form a great circle in their changing, and always come back > >again to where they were. The life of a man is a circle from > >childhood to childhood, and so it is in everything where power moves. > > > >~Black Elk > > Maybe Black Elk did not know or think of spirals? He must have been > aware that noone had ever looked just like him before... > > You did not suggest to cite ourselves, but its really what I have... > I am no poet, but a single time, one late night driving back from > mixing that impro, those lirics just came over me and they did fit > amazingly well into the ready music, as you can hear in "Repetition" > at http://matthias.grob.org/pMusic/CDsE.htm#mantra > > > REPETITION > M. Grob, February 1989 > > We've found, that rithm is in all > body, mind and even in our soul > air is trembling at the speed of sound > rhythm is in stars and stones around > even as slow as years and ages > turned over like pages > generations - incarnations - revolutions - respirations > some are harmonic, some are sad > some are growing, some go mad > some can feel all the vibes > others just dream in the nights... > > But all can be aware > of great power which is there: > all is turning back but never it's the same > all is turning back but never it's the same > > That's what creates the illusion of our universe ! > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 28 13:19:47 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40BF63BF69; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:19:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <mungenast@earthlink.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=GMcnZ6N1bOdjMSikwBPbUr3gmWMGEw49fC4apxNpN+ThIF7ey4vm09wf+tyxp3VW; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200510528132512860@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" <mungenast@earthlink.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: The other intro Re: intro Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:25:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9401e3559ecfd5546edb547e0ba367963e2350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.167 Resent-Message-ID: <CZdbBD.A.ifH.yViYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:19:47 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Intro...that reminds me, Ted, the sound file of your intro/warmup was fun. Too bad it took 10 minutes of download for 45 seconds of audio ;-) Yet and still, I will attempt another download of some longer piece. Or maybe we can work out a price for you to burn me some stuff onto a CDR? (Still loving Flux Aeterna, BTW.) Your Friend and Fan, Tim Mungenast www.mungenast.com www.myspace.com/timmungenast www.cdbaby.com/all/timgoat ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 10/27/2005 9:47:44 PM Subject: Re: intro Welcome aboard, Gee I've said that twice today. What put me in a nautical mood? "International Talk Like a Pirate Day" was weeks ago now (LOL). Anywho, I'm the other "Ted" on the list, Ted Killian. Glad to meet you. I wish I could talk the acoustic bassist I ocassionally play with from time to time to get "loop savvy. Cool! Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII <HTML><HEAD> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Intro...that reminds me, Ted, the sound file of your intro/warmup was fun. Too bad it took 10 minutes of download for 45 seconds of audio ;-)   Yet and still, I will attempt another download of some longer piece. Or maybe we can work out a price for you to burn me some stuff onto a CDR? (Still loving Flux Aeterna, BTW.)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Your Friend and Fan,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Tim Mungenast</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><A href="http://www.mungenast.com">www.mungenast.com</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><A href="http://www.myspace.com/timmungenast">www.myspace.com/timmungenast</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2><A href="http://www.cdbaby.com/all/timgoat">www.cdbaby.com/all/timgoat</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=ArsOcarina@aol.com href="mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com"></A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To: </B><A title=Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com href="mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com</A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 10/27/2005 9:47:44 PM </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: intro</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT face=Geneva color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">Welcome aboard,<BR><BR>Gee I've said that twice today. What put me in a nautical mood?<BR>"International Talk Like a Pirate Day" was weeks ago now (LOL).<BR>Anywho, I'm the other "Ted" on the list, Ted Killian. Glad to<BR>meet you. I wish I could talk the acoustic bassist I ocassionally<BR>play with from time to time to get "loop savvy. Cool!<BR><BR>Best regards,<BR><BR>tEd ® kiLLiAn<BR><BR></FONT><FONT face=Geneva color=#808080 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">"Different is not always better, but better is always different"<BR><BR>http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html<BR>http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian<BR>http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html<BR>http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina<BR>http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073<BR>http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314<BR>http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193<BR><BR>Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,<BR>BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,<BR>AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,<BR>RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,<BR>and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???</FONT><FONT face=Geneva color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><FONT face=Geneva color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"></FONT></FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 28 13:28:01 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFCC63BF6E; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:28:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <mungenast@earthlink.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=baG8bdjfetFToVKjouBUJ6Tzsyx+WKjOnVOqH1ti21XIgWKBruCUcpgQ0OfeUgtk; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200510528133328130@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" <mungenast@earthlink.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: intro Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:33:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94076cca109939a37f5a135daeb815b6bbf350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.167 Resent-Message-ID: <9AtR7B.A.krH.gdiYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:28:00 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Belated welcome, Mr Harms. Looping an upright bass? Sounds very cool indeed. I, too, enjoy the live looping thing, even though I only get to do it publicly once a year or so. Anyway, welcome. ~Tim Mungenast ----- Original Message ----- From: ditch wrestler To: Loopers Delight Sent: 10/27/2005 1:45:30 PM Subject: intro Greetings, y'all I've been lurking for a few days now and thought I should introduce myself to the party. Hello, everybody. My name is Ted. I'm a bassist, electric but primarily acoustic. I'd like to think of my musical tastes as being rather diverse but I'm, for now (at least), rather centred around things on the free/improvised end though I'm getting into the classical world and have recently joined a community orchestra. My interest in looping is pretty undeveloped right now. I've got some ideas/projects on what I'd like to do with a looper or two (once I get my hands on one) but it'll be a 'live with instrument' scenario so I'm trying to suss out the real-time options like the boss rc-20, Line 6 dl4, and boomerang. Anyway, pleased to meet everybody here. I'm located in south-western ontario, if there happen to be any other canucks around... ted harms Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII <HTML><HEAD> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Belated welcome, Mr Harms. Looping an upright bass? Sounds very cool indeed.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>I, too, enjoy the live looping thing, even though I only get to do it publicly once a year or so.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Anyway, welcome.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>~Tim Mungenast</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=ditchwrestler@yahoo.com href="mailto:ditchwrestler@yahoo.com">ditch wrestler</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To: </B><A title=Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com href="mailto:Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com">Loopers Delight</A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 10/27/2005 1:45:30 PM </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> intro</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=2> <DIV>Greetings, y'all</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've been lurking for a few days now and thought I should introduce myself to the party.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hello, everybody.  My name is Ted.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm a bassist, electric but primarily acoustic.  I'd like to think of my musical tastes as being rather diverse but I'm, for now (at least), rather centred around things on the free/improvised end though I'm getting into the classical world and have recently joined a community orchestra.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My interest in looping is pretty undeveloped right now.  I've got some ideas/projects on what I'd like to do with a looper or two (once I get my hands on one) but it'll be a 'live with instrument' scenario so I'm trying to suss out the real-time options like the boss rc-20, Line 6 dl4, and boomerang.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyway, pleased to meet everybody here.  I'm located in south-western ontario, if there happen to be any other canucks around...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>ted harms</DIV> <P> <HR SIZE=1> <A href="http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTFqODRtdXQ4BF9TAzMyOTc1MDIEX3MDOTY2ODgxNjkEcG9zAzEEc2VjA21haWwtZm9vdGVyBHNsawNmYw--/SIG=110oav78o/**http%3a//farechase.yahoo.com/">Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.</A> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 28 13:40:06 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA0CB3BF7A; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:40:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <stillllscary@yahoo.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XYH6YfstUizTH1l//aIq6EEDrFvrznSCOp21DRZ200PB/2zDLz1du7bqD+JsHMM8SJdbih5WG+ZE1tfg/Qdu16QnDUIO4+H1ujOBVAd9Ek6l5VC103CME+kQCveUMw9fDpkztaqBilc/wivnQYM877QOD5fEoX1ZzlBy76qm8O4= ; Message-ID: <20051028134004.30876.qmail@web32513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 06:40:04 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson <stillllscary@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: intro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20051027174527.21200.qmail@web34911.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-832434969-1130506804=:30319" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <39XGhB.A.E9H.2oiYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:40:06 +0000 (UTC) --0-832434969-1130506804=:30319 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hows it going Ted? the L//D is the place to be. a green acres type of place where freindly folks often enlighten my limited understanding of ....well lots of stuff...check out the thread about "zen and the fluent music"thats where i came in( isnt this where...)to this this ...world. loops 2 ya... danny/scary visionary ditch wrestler <ditchwrestler@yahoo.com> wrote: Greetings, y'all I've been lurking for a few days now and thought I should introduce myself to the party. Hello, everybody. My name is Ted. I'm a bassist, electric but primarily acoustic. I'd like to think of my musical tastes as being rather diverse but I'm, for now (at least), rather centred around things on the free/improvised end though I'm getting into the classical world and have recently joined a community orchestra. My interest in looping is pretty undeveloped right now. I've got some ideas/projects on what I'd like to do with a looper or two (once I get my hands on one) but it'll be a 'live with instrument' scenario so I'm trying to suss out the real-time options like the boss rc-20, Line 6 dl4, and boomerang. Anyway, pleased to meet everybody here. I'm located in south-western ontario, if there happen to be any other canucks around... ted harms --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --0-832434969-1130506804=:30319 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit <DIV>hows it going Ted?</DIV> <DIV>the L//D is the place to be.</DIV> <DIV>a green acres type of place where freindly folks often enlighten my limited understanding of ....well lots of stuff...check out the thread about "zen and the fluent music"thats where i came in( isnt this where...)to this this ...world.   loops 2 ya...  danny/scary visionary            d<B><I>itch wrestler <ditchwrestler@yahoo.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <DIV>Greetings, y'all</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I've been lurking for a few days now and thought I should introduce myself to the party.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hello, everybody.  My name is Ted.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm a bassist, electric but primarily acoustic.  I'd like to think of my musical tastes as being rather diverse but I'm, for now (at least), rather centred around things on the free/improvised end though I'm getting into the classical world and have recently joined a community orchestra.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My interest in looping is pretty undeveloped right now.  I've got some ideas/projects on what I'd like to do with a looper or two (once I get my hands on one) but it'll be a 'live with instrument' scenario so I'm trying to suss out the real-time options like the boss rc-20, Line 6 dl4, and boomerang.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Anyway, pleased to meet everybody here.  I'm located in south-western ontario, if there happen to be any other canucks around...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>ted harms</DIV> <P> <HR SIZE=1> <A href="http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTFqODRtdXQ4BF9TAzMyOTc1MDIEX3MDOTY2ODgxNjkEcG9zAzEEc2VjA21haWwtZm9vdGVyBHNsawNmYw--/SIG=110oav78o/**http%3a//farechase.yahoo.com/">Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.</A> </BLOCKQUOTE><p> <hr size=1> <a href="http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTFqODRtdXQ4BF9TAzMyOTc1MDIEX3MDOTY2ODgxNjkEcG9zAzEEc2VjA21haWwtZm9vdGVyBHNsawNmYw--/SIG=110oav78o/**http%3a//farechase.yahoo.com/">Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.</a> --0-832434969-1130506804=:30319-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 28 14:03:36 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E13383BF7D; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:03:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <goddard.duncan@mtvne.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-82.messagelabs.com!1130508211!38936980!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.9.1; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8A1B@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: For Mellotron afficionados... Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:03:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5DBC8.5E112050" Resent-Message-ID: <2GMEqD.A.37.3-iYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/54234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:03:35 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5DBC8.5E112050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Hey Duncan (et al), check this out: <http://mysterycircuits.com/melloman/melloman.html> this chap & his fabulous box turned up on the mellotron list just about the time I was finally unsubscribing after eight years or so of transatlantic name-calling by the various factions. I love it- it keeps alive the original spirit, sort of. I'd actually visited his site before, long before this thing was built, while looking for resources for.. er... a moog source. he'd gone to the trouble of replacing the membrane switchgear on a friend's source, with proper push-buttons. yikes. luckily, some other enterprising soul has started a limited production of a clone of the original panel & so I have one of those on standby in case either of my sources starts acting up. ("chip-for-brains"). my own mellotron is fully supported by streetly electronics in the UK, who are still making tapes on the original EMI tape stock for the things. they also refurbish & align the machines. there are other folks performing this work too, I should add in the interests of avoiding an international diplomatic crisis of the sort that so frequently damages the tranquility of the mellotron's own mailing list. before streetly were up & running, I was in a state of mild panic over my m400. the original tapes still worked, but were somewhat mildewed & frequently refused to rewind. pictures of the machine at this time show the front panel removed so that the tapes could be tugged back to their starts manually. I also wondered where the heck I was going to get other sounds for it, since the tapes in a standard m400 are 3/8" wide... I even made enquiries of the BBC, who'd used the machines for sound-effects/foley in radio studios.... one of the first things I bought from streetly was a set of 1/4" combs to fit in the machine so that 1/4" tape could be guided reliably past the 35 heads. the first tapeset I made myself was of e-bowed guitar & prophet 2000 string samples. great fun. this weekend, btw, I shall be adding a line 6 echo-pro to the rack that holds my repeater, powertran mcs-1 & bel bd80. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. 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MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5DBC8.5E112050 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-= 1"> <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2653.12"> <TITLE>RE: For Mellotron afficionados...

    >>Hey Duncan (et al), check this out:

    <http://mysterycircuits.com/melloman/melloman.htm= l>

    this chap & his fabulous box turned up on the mellotr= on list just about the time I was finally unsubscribing after eight years o= r so of transatlantic name-calling by the various factions.

    I love it- it keeps alive the original spirit, sort of. <= /FONT>
    I'd actually visited his site before, long before this t= hing was built, while looking for resources for.. er... a moog source. he'd= gone to the trouble of replacing the membrane switchgear on a friend's sou= rce, with proper push-buttons. yikes.

    luckily, some other enterprising soul has started a limit= ed production of a clone of the original panel & so I have one of those= on standby in case either of my sources starts acting up. ("chip-for-= brains").

    my own mellotron is fully supported by streetly electroni= cs in the UK, who are still making tapes on the original EMI tape stock for= the things. they also refurbish & align the machines. there are other = folks performing this work too, I should add in the interests of avoiding a= n international diplomatic crisis of the sort that so frequently damages th= e tranquility of the mellotron's own mailing list.

    before streetly were up & running, I was in a state o= f mild panic over my m400. the original tapes still worked, but were somewh= at mildewed & frequently refused to rewind. pictures of the machine at = this time show the front panel removed so that the tapes could be tugged ba= ck to their starts manually. I also wondered where the heck I was going to = get other sounds for it, since the tapes in a standard m400 are 3/8" w= ide... I even made enquiries of the BBC, who'd used the machines for sound-= effects/foley in radio studios.... one of the first things I bought from st= reetly was a set of 1/4" combs to fit in the machine so that 1/4"= tape could be guided reliably past the 35 heads. the first tapeset I made = myself was of e-bowed guitar & prophet 2000 string samples. great fun.<= /FONT>

    this weekend, btw, I shall be adding a line 6 echo-pro to= the rack that holds my repeater, powertran mcs-1 & bel bd80.

    duncan.



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    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5DBC8.5E112050-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 28 14:24:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C98183BF81; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:24:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <214.cae5034.30938eb3@aol.com> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:24:51 EDT Subject: Re: The other intro Re: intro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_214.cae5034.30938eb3_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:24:57 +0000 (UTC) --part1_214.cae5034.30938eb3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tim, In a message dated 10/28/05 6:20:22 AM, mungenast@earthlink.net writes: > Intro...that reminds me, Ted, the sound file of your intro/warmup was fun.= =20 > Too bad it took 10 minutes of download for 45 seconds of audio ;-)=A0=A0=20 > Yet and still, I will attempt another download of some longer piece.=20 > Or maybe we can work out a price for you to burn me some stuff=20 > onto a CDR? (Still loving Flux Aeterna, BTW.) >=20 Sorry abou that. I just thought that Rick's short improv comedy routine=20 "Mom's voice" was funny as heck and worth hearing. The other pieces=20 are sort of me meandering. Glad you still enjoy "Flux Aeterna." I'm still relatively proud of it. I need to get my act together and do another CD. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_214.cae5034.30938eb3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tim,

    In a message dated 10/28/05 6:20:22 AM, mungenast@earthlink.net writes:

    Intro...that reminds=20= me, Ted, the sound file of your intro/warmup was fun.
    Too bad it took 10 minutes of download for 45 seconds of audio ;-)=A0=A0=20=
    Yet and still, I will attempt another download of some longer piece. <= BR> Or maybe we can work out a price for you to burn me some stuff
    onto a CDR? (Still loving Flux Aeterna, BTW.)

    Sorry abou that. I just thought that Rick's short improv comedy routine <= BR> "Mom's voice" was funny as heck and worth hearing. The other pieces
    are sort of me meandering. Glad you still enjoy "Flux Aeterna." I'm still relatively proud of it. I need to get my act together and do another CD.

    Best regards,

    tEd =AE kiLLiAn

    "Different is not always better, but better is always different"

    http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
    http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
    http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
    http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
    http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
    http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
    http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

    Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
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     --part1_214.cae5034.30938eb3_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 28 15:33:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F4753BF71; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:33:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <214.cae5034.30938eb3@aol.com> References: <214.cae5034.30938eb3@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <71B70855-00F6-4E0B-B9BF-715B6486EBC4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: The other intro Re: intro Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:33:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: <8kP7y.A.2ND.1SkYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:33:09 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 28, 2005, at 16:24, ArsOcarina@aol.com wrote: > "Flux Aeterna." I'm still > relatively proud of it. I need to get my act together and do > another CD. Correct. Looking forward to it! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 28 17:18:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 553EA3BF6E; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:18:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AXHDm/JN8dD/LQA/D/90frwp/wKcaXoG1Dl9Gsg2P72wOzEgE3f14RTDP3uJzsWo1Oz09po943LW9WVAXVUMuShn+SEoVXrJnTjqyKsm6/8M6yp0TwgRRrjAU3XYSKKWV3fuXzdDOoYIjsPXZl32XdNpSo3LxW/oCKtqft+hqKw= Message-ID: <64b81a780510281018k22f172a2q14d56e7c275ff2a9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:18:38 -0400 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Question EDP FCB - Switches In-Reply-To: <4361B298.7000905@Hevanet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <1589.66.94.148.190.1129938273.squirrel@webmail.airmail.net> <4359A6B1.7080105@Hevanet.com> <4361B298.7000905@Hevanet.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:18:39 +0000 (UTC) In general with all such rack effects and any electronic device, it's safer to leave them off, turn the strip on, then turn each unit on.=20 That way the units' individual power supplies can buffer as they were designed to. Throwing a circuit on allows a potentially destructive surge to flow down the line and a good power supply will try to buffer the surge when it's turned on/off. As an example, consider the common light-bulb. They always blow when switched on or off because there's no buffering. Also, devices nowadays may utilize "soft switches". These aren't your usual hardware switch, but instead trigger software to turn the power supply on/off. I believe my Line6 Echo Pro uses one of these. In this case, it's possible that the on/off switch may do some house-keeping tasks before/after turning on/off. Now, I'm no EE, so take my advice with a bit of salt, but it seems like a good idea to me to use the unit's power button. After all, they put it there for a reason. :) Todd On 10/28/05, .David.Auker. wrote: > Another EDP item: upon power-up, sometimes (rarely) mine doesn't. I > have my gear all plugged into a power strip. Is it ok to just turn that > on, with everything turned "on," or should I be using the switch on the > EDP itself? (When EDP doesn't power-up, I turn the switch off and on, > and it's ok...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 28 17:31:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2ACD23BF81; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:31:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uS+8meH+9HXS1F9kT4AOyJc1TJM6ZTJW5conmmxsmB4XKhkJQclxYVMsfTxtwYAFtkS0tgWX7crsbOzDV3xdjodvhmnWpy2XzMuI2lupPHybl/CRxRdOZyoMZKf0XsPPuMl9BwZb2lCBvrmkEN1StZqGZPQT9dOyP1vT2Fgvucs= Message-ID: <64b81a780510281031v2897498du7709b6c8566547fb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:31:45 -0400 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new tunes In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20051027093043.01f7a4f8@mail.wightman.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051026231721.01f6fa18@mail.wightman.ca> <007501c5dade$a16a4ba0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <6.2.0.14.2.20051027093043.01f7a4f8@mail.wightman.ca> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:31:48 +0000 (UTC) Paul, First, let me say that I'm excited to get back home so I can check out your tunes. I've long loved the hammered dulcimer and have played it a bit years ago. Wouldn't mind finding one again some day. Regarding performance venues, one of the reasons I have (for the time being) given up performing is due to the lack of suitable venues. As a performer, you've got to ask yourself what sort of performance is expected/desired. Are the audience there specifically to see/hear music? If so, great! Go ahead and challenge them. Presumably they're there to listen. If, on the other hand, they're there for some other reason and the music is incidental, then a more subdued/comfortable show is called for and you've got to play that role. Then, there are all of those occasions that fall in the grey area in between which are harder to balance. For me, there were too few venues available with a listening audience and supportive atmosphere. Good luck to you and welcome to the community. :) Todd On 10/27/05, paul wrote: > Perhaps if you take a fairly obscure instrument like the hammered dulcime= r, > tie it to another fairly obscure performance technique like looping, you > certainly have something that's unique but maybe not accessible enough to > most listeners? But then, that is also a common thread here, I recall a f= ew > weeks back Kris having difficulty with venues that will let him explore t= he > sounds that he's interested in. There's a question there that has > interested me for quite a few years. As an artist, do I provide comfortab= le > entertainment, or do I challenge people to listen to new things. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 28 18:00:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D65183BF8D; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 18:00:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=p/NQcJ+1tKSvK7prnjsuraolM9vqRh9wAXBpKWkk0sM+cwHsscYj3VRJ/U1Q6RBKCoyjddOve0qcExwtwnvbQ2Zhpp8jydSmV/0UECkwEHSJ9iicN+/pjahCVo0DAHUp97DOWSB4M/qdNPcvBZNgeDn5djXduJQA6n+hcAZKqC8= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:00:45 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: new tunes In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20051027093043.01f7a4f8@mail.wightman.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051026231721.01f6fa18@mail.wightman.ca> <007501c5dade$a16a4ba0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <6.2.0.14.2.20051027093043.01f7a4f8@mail.wightman.ca> Resent-Message-ID: <6xft2.A.x7H.OdmYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 18:00:46 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, the acoustic/folk style police are irritating. If you've been playing traditional music venues, then you may run into some problems. Having listened to the two tracks you've posted, I'd say if you were in my neck of the woods you could play any number of cafe/acoustic music venues. Your music is still very accessible to the general public, it just breaks the Rules Of Folk music. Speaking as a looping acoustic guitarist, I frequently find myself caught in the grey zone between "classical" guitar and "folk" music as far as audiences or booking agents are concerned. I don't do either, but venues and casual audiences (i.e. those that don't identify themselves as "classical music listeners" or "folk music listeners") have only a few terms to describe instrumental guitar music. Usually it's not a problem..if they hear what I do. But if they ask "Do you play classical guitar?" and my answer is "No", then some places aren't interested. Fortunately, those places are in the minority. So, if you're worried about finding gigs, I'd suggest you check out the general pool of singer/songwriter/acoustic music venues. If there was a girl singing with a guitar earlier in the evening, I think you'd fit in. Best of luck, TravisH On 10/27/05, paul wrote: > Thanks very much. > > When I'm working on a project, I find that I'm too close to make objectiv= e > observations, and quite frankly the majority of people around here just > don't get it..... The most extreme case was someone in the village that > bought a cd and gave it back after a couple of days thinking there was > something wrong with it.... seems that it had no words.... and who can > understand it if it has no words. > Perhaps if you take a fairly obscure instrument like the hammered dulcime= r, > tie it to another fairly obscure performance technique like looping, you > certainly have something that's unique but maybe not accessible enough to > most listeners? But then, that is also a common thread here, I recall a f= ew > weeks back Kris having difficulty with venues that will let him explore t= he > sounds that he's interested in. There's a question there that has > interested me for quite a few years. As an artist, do I provide comfortab= le > entertainment, or do I challenge people to listen to new things. > > So, I was looking for some feedback from a community that I respect. I > realize that many or most of you are doing music that is much more > experimental in nature that what I'm doing, but coming from a community o= f > traditional celtic and folk music circles, they consider what I'm doing t= o > be pretty radical, maybe even blasphemous. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 28 19:44:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A89223BF81; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 19:44:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 28 Oct 2005 19:44:12 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:44:12 -0500 Subject: Re: LOOP QUOTATIONS/ANECDOTES X-Originating-Ip: 69.109.166.236 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20051028194412.DCB473384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 19:44:17 +0000 (UTC) Daniel- Strangely enough, I went to see Negativland at the Great American Music hal= l on weds, and the opening act was a laptop looper (sadly, I don't=20 remember his name) and about halfway through his set, I was thinking "wait,= i know what that is..." and I realized it was a Stairway to Heaven loop=20 fontwards and backwards! Joe Rut ----- Original Message ----- From: "daniel stevenson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LOOP QUOTATIONS/ANECDOTES Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:46:05 -0700 (PDT) >=20 > wake me up dead man wake me up dead man...urban legend or....you do=20 > know the walrus was paul?play the chourus of another one bites the=20 > dust backward,and whats that weird mumbo/jumbo in stairway to=20 > heaven fliped and mirrored like the demon dog cover of the lp > if i used samples these would all have a slot D=3Dme2 *<{,':-}) >=20 > joe rut wrote: > I've always like this quote. i think it says a lot about looping: >=20 > "number nine.......number nine.......number nine.......number=20 > nine........number nine....." :) > -The Beatles (and probably Yoko), "Revolution #9" >=20 > also: >=20 > "Come ON! Let's do it AGAAIIN" > -Peter Frampton, "Do You Feel Like We Do?" >=20 > Joe Rut >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow P= ages >=20 > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.= asp?SRC=3Dlycos10 >=20 >=20 >=20=09=09 > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 28 19:59:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C50713BF95; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 19:59:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #3338868 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 22:01:16 +0200 From: Matthias Loibner X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) Reply-To: LD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1921824810.20051028220116@gmx.net> To: LD Subject: MIDI hurdy-gurdy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 19:59:40 +0000 (UTC) I'm currently thinking about building a hurdy-gurdy MIDI controller. I would like to ask somebody with electronic and programming skills, how much time it could be to build a circuit for it. If anybody knows somebody with those abilities, could you please contact me off list? thanks, Matthias L. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 28 20:17:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 864D53BF8B; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:17:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <055001c5dbfc$986eb1c0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: EDP Settings for Using Subsitute and Quantize by 8th Notes Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:17:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_054D_01C5DBCA.4CFFDAC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.300000 URL contains username and (optional) password=1.3,Possible url forgery/scam=2.0 X-UrlForgery: (http://www.krispenhartung.com) (http://www.krispenhartung.com<) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 27, in=15901, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <5EQzoC.A.G8D.SdoYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:17:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_054D_01C5DBCA.4CFFDAC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm having some difficulty getting this trick to work. Rick got me = started on this a while back, but I am just now getting around to doing = it with my EDPs and Behringer controller. I set my quantize to 8th = notes, but I need to know what Switches and Timing parameter settings to = use to get the following to work right: Press Record, play a few = measures of 8th note melody work, press record again to play back, start = playing some longer duration notes and hit the Substitute button a bunch = of times in a row while you're playing...the result is an interesting = rhythmic effect with those little 8th note slices of material popping in = and out, all quantized to 8th notes. The problem is that the way I have = my Switches and Timing parameters set now, when I try this, the = subtituted notes pop in but then after the first cycle of looping, = everything stops...no sound. I'm guessing that I need to change one of = the first four settings (along the EDP conrol panel or buttons) under = Switches and Timing, such as Record Mode, Overdub Mode, Round Mode, = Loop/Delay, etc. Any recommendations on what these should be set at?=20 Rick, I guess I should be asking you...if you could just look at your = switches and timing paramater settings and rattle those for me in = response to this.=20 Cheers, Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_054D_01C5DBCA.4CFFDAC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    I'm having some difficulty getting this = trick to=20 work. Rick got me started on this a while back, but I am just now = getting around=20 to doing it with my EDPs and Behringer controller.  I set my = quantize to=20 8th notes, but I need to know what Switches and Timing parameter = settings to use=20 to get the following to work right: Press Record, play a few = measures of=20 8th note melody work, press record again to play back, start playing = some longer=20 duration notes and hit the Substitute button a bunch of times in a row = while=20 you're playing...the result is an interesting rhythmic effect with those = little=20 8th note slices of material popping in and out, all quantized to 8th = notes. The=20 problem is that the way I have my Switches and Timing parameters set = now, when I=20 try this, the subtituted notes pop in but then after the first cycle of = looping,=20 everything stops...no sound. I'm guessing that I need to change one of = the first=20 four settings (along the EDP conrol panel or buttons) under Switches and = Timing,=20 such as Record Mode, Overdub Mode, Round Mode, Loop/Delay, etc. Any=20 recommendations on what these should be set at?
     
    Rick, I guess I should be asking = you...if you could=20 just look at your switches and timing paramater settings and rattle = those for me=20 in response to this.
     
     
    Cheers,
     
    Krispen Hartung
    http://www.krispenhartung.com<= BR>info@krispenhartung.com
    Di= scography:=20 http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung
    ------=_NextPart_000_054D_01C5DBCA.4CFFDAC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 28 20:25:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA6673BF8A; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:25:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43628977.4080104@Hevanet.com> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:26:31 -0700 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Question EDP FCB - Switches References: <1589.66.94.148.190.1129938273.squirrel@webmail.airmail.net> <4359A6B1.7080105@Hevanet.com> <4361B298.7000905@Hevanet.com> <64b81a780510281018k22f172a2q14d56e7c275ff2a9@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <64b81a780510281018k22f172a2q14d56e7c275ff2a9@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:25:13 +0000 (UTC) Thanks. Sounds reasonable. EDP, yes, Repeater, no (doesn't have an on/off switch)! David Todd Pafford wrote: >In general with all such rack effects and any electronic device, it's >safer to leave them off, turn the strip on, then turn each unit on. >That way the units' individual power supplies can buffer as they were >designed to. Throwing a circuit on allows a potentially destructive >surge to flow down the line and a good power supply will try to buffer >the surge when it's turned on/off. As an example, consider the common >light-bulb. They always blow when switched on or off because there's >no buffering. > >Also, devices nowadays may utilize "soft switches". These aren't your >usual hardware switch, but instead trigger software to turn the power >supply on/off. I believe my Line6 Echo Pro uses one of these. In >this case, it's possible that the on/off switch may do some >house-keeping tasks before/after turning on/off. > >Now, I'm no EE, so take my advice with a bit of salt, but it seems >like a good idea to me to use the unit's power button. After all, >they put it there for a reason. :) > >Todd > > >On 10/28/05, .David.Auker. wrote: > > >>Another EDP item: upon power-up, sometimes (rarely) mine doesn't. I >>have my gear all plugged into a power strip. Is it ok to just turn that >>on, with everything turned "on," or should I be using the switch on the >>EDP itself? (When EDP doesn't power-up, I turn the switch off and on, >>and it's ok...) >> >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 28 20:31:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1E903BF95; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:31:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.203.132.130] X-Originating-Email: [pushingair@hotmail.com] X-Sender: pushingair@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20051027054039.73623.qmail@web32506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "Diana Thompson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Introducing... Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:31:46 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Oct 2005 20:31:47.0057 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E196E10:01C5DBFE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:31:49 +0000 (UTC)

    Thank y'all for your support.

    I have a minimal setup: Boss Loopstation, Boss Digital Delay, and a Behringer mixer. I'm thinking about upgrading sometime soon. I really want to be able to remove select loops after adding them. The only way to do that with the Loopstation is to presave the loops I want to keep. I really want to keep my looping all live. I also want to run my set continuously from beginning to end. I don't want to put live loops down, stop and save them, and then go on with the set. But for now, my setup works well.

    OK, while I'm on it. Any recommendations for that upgrade? Coming from the setup I've got, I'm not going to jump up to a laptop with Ableton. Considering what I want to do and want to do, what's my next step up?

    Thanks'm,

    PA

    From: daniel stevenson <stillllscary@yahoo.com>
    Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Re: Introducing...
    Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:40:39 -0700 (PDT)

    howdy diana.
    cool jams ya got there.what kind of gear are you using?...these folks can answer anything  or point ya in the right direction thats 4sure,amazing technical resources abound,my field of knowlege is primarilly nonsensical whimsey...but,its what i do best.
    welcome to the collective...ressistance is futile!!!
    boat drinks...danny///scary visionary.


    Diana Thompson <pushingair@hotmail.com> wrote:

    Greetings,

    I'm new this list and fairly new to looping. My music is based out of jazz, blues, and African traditions. I use only voice, a delay pedal, and a looping pedal. My favorite recent comment: "Reminds me a little of Meredith Monk, but with more substance."

    I've uploaded files from some recent live shows. Please take a listen to some of my tracks when you get a chance and let me know your impressions.

    www.pushingair.com/music

    Thanks!

    Pushing Air
    Diana Thompson
    Vocalist, Composer, Improvisor
    www.pushingair.com


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    Make FREE PC-to-PC calls with MSN Messenger. Get it now! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 28 20:48:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 699A93BF9D; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:48:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RJe1Y4h19wF3Jrn+rJ7/QSeUyd2x/EKAzbtCpxEhW0FlaGNiDKSdUxgp29HM6wX+jBpZWCKLwTMG/VeJP9ga5YaIM9pDpkZQXgQYA6CAES7VkgqCJ/gOSdXRpjEZ01vS3SSEcPc6QO/oRzu7MqWbGTlN4zeTAC8HrkgosfjZGJ4= ; Message-ID: <20051028204830.71535.qmail@web51501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:48:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Marc Marshall Subject: Re: Introducing... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-645609922-1130532509=:71377" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <05UkiC.A.EsE.f6oYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:48:31 +0000 (UTC) --0-645609922-1130532509=:71377 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Do you have the latest Boss Loopstation?. It is designated by an XL. I had the old one and am very happy with the new XL. It has loads more time and you can erase the last overdub before commiting it to the loop. Diana Thompson wrote: Thank y'all for your support. I have a minimal setup: Boss Loopstation, Boss Digital Delay, and a Behringer mixer. I'm thinking about upgrading sometime soon. I really want to be able to remove select loops after adding them. The only way to do that with the Loopstation is to presave the loops I want to keep. I really want to keep my looping all live. I also want to run my set continuously from beginning to end. I don't want to put live loops down, stop and save them, and then go on with the set. But for now, my setup works well. OK, while I'm on it. Any recommendations for that upgrade? Coming from the setup I've got, I'm not going to jump up to a laptop with Ableton. Considering what I want to do and want to do, what's my next step up? Thanks'm, PA --------------------------------- From: daniel stevenson Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Introducing... Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:40:39 -0700 (PDT) howdy diana. cool jams ya got there.what kind of gear are you using?...these folks can answer anything or point ya in the right direction thats 4sure,amazing technical resources abound,my field of knowlege is primarilly nonsensical whimsey...but,its what i do best. welcome to the collective...ressistance is futile!!! boat drinks...danny///scary visionary. Diana Thompson wrote: Greetings, I'm new this list and fairly new to looping. My music is based out of jazz, blues, and African traditions. I use only voice, a delay pedal, and a looping pedal. My favorite recent comment: "Reminds me a little of Meredith Monk, but with more substance." I've uploaded files from some recent live shows. Please take a listen to some of my tracks when you get a chance and let me know your impressions. www.pushingair.com/music Thanks! Pushing Air Diana Thompson Vocalist, Composer, Improvisor www.pushingair.com --------------------------------- Find e-mail, documents and more on your PC instantly with Windows Desktop Search–FREE! --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --------------------------------- Make FREE PC-to-PC calls with MSN Messenger. Get it now! --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --0-645609922-1130532509=:71377 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    Do you have the latest Boss Loopstation?.  It is designated by an XL. 
    I had the old one and am very happy with the new XL.   It has loads more time and you can erase the last overdub before commiting it to the loop.

    Diana Thompson <pushingair@hotmail.com> wrote:

    Thank y'all for your support.

    I have a minimal setup: Boss Loopstation, Boss Digital Delay, and a Behringer mixer. I'm thinking about upgrading sometime soon. I really want to be able to remove select loops after adding them. The only way to do that with the Loopstation is to presave the loops I want to keep. I really want to keep my looping all live. I also want to run my set continuously from beginning to end. I don't want to put live loops down, stop and save them, and then go on with the set. But for now, my setup works well.

    OK, while I'm on it. Any recommendations for that upgrade? Coming from the setup I've got, I'm not going to jump up to a laptop with Ableton. Considering what I want to do and want to do, what's my next step up?

    Thanks'm,

    PA

    From: daniel stevenson <stillllscary@yahoo.com>
    Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Re: Introducing...
    Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:40:39 -0700 (PDT)

    howdy diana.
    cool jams ya got there.what kind of gear are you using?...these folks can answer anything  or point ya in the right direction thats 4sure,amazing technical resources abound,my field of knowlege is primarilly nonsensical whimsey...but,its what i do best.
    welcome to the collective...ressistance is futile!!!
    boat drinks...danny///scary visionary.


    Diana Thompson <pushingair@hotmail.com> wrote:

    Greetings,

    I'm new this list and fairly new to looping. My music is based out of jazz, blues, and African traditions. I use only voice, a delay pedal, and a looping pedal. My favorite recent comment: "Reminds me a little of Meredith Monk, but with more substance."

    I've uploaded files from some recent live shows. Please take a listen to some of my tracks when you get a chance and let me know your impressions.

    www.pushingair.com/music

    Thanks!

    Pushing Air
    Diana Thompson
    Vocalist, Composer, Improvisor
    www.pushingair.com


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    Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --0-645609922-1130532509=:71377-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 28 20:55:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B85793BF99; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:55:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,263,1125892800"; d="scan'208,217"; a="1667500951:sNHT31340052" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <20051028204830.71535.qmail@web51501.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20051028204830.71535.qmail@web51501.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--245656386 Message-Id: From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: Introducing... Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:54:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:55:41 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--245656386 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed The new Repeater is exactly what you want, although it doesn't exist. =20= I wish I knew something more about it than that, but you can help =20 wish it into existence by looking at www.electrixpro.com. > Diana Thompson wrote: > Thank y'all for your support. > > I have a minimal setup: Boss Loopstation, Boss Digital Delay, and a =20= > Behringer mixer. I'm thinking about upgrading sometime soon. I =20 > really want to be able to remove select loops after adding them. =20 > The only way to do that with the Loopstation is to presave the =20 > loops I want to keep. I really want to keep my looping all live. I =20 > also want to run my set continuously from beginning to end. I don't =20= > want to put live loops down, stop and save them, and then go on =20 > with the set. But for now, my setup works well. > > OK, while I'm on it. Any recommendations for that upgrade? Coming =20 > from the setup I've got, I'm not going to jump up to a laptop with =20 > Ableton. Considering what I want to do and want to do, what's my =20 > next step up? > > Thanks'm, > > PA > > From: daniel stevenson > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Introducing... > Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:40:39 -0700 (PDT) > > howdy diana. > cool jams ya got there.what kind of gear are you using?...these =20 > folks can answer anything or point ya in the right direction thats =20= > 4sure,amazing technical resources abound,my field of knowlege is =20 > primarilly nonsensical whimsey...but,its what i do best. > welcome to the collective...ressistance is futile!!! > boat drinks...danny///scary visionary. > > > Diana Thompson wrote: > Greetings, > > I'm new this list and fairly new to looping. My music is based out =20 > of jazz, blues, and African traditions. I use only voice, a delay =20 > pedal, and a looping pedal. My favorite recent comment: "Reminds me =20= > a little of Meredith Monk, but with more substance." > > I've uploaded files from some recent live shows. Please take a =20 > listen to some of my tracks when you get a chance and let me know =20 > your impressions. > > www.pushingair.com/music > > Thanks! > > Pushing Air > Diana Thompson > Vocalist, Composer, Improvisor > www.pushingair.com > > > Find e-mail, documents and more on your PC instantly with Windows =20 > Desktop Search=96FREE! > > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > Make FREE PC-to-PC calls with MSN Messenger. Get it now! > > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. --Apple-Mail-1--245656386 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252
    The new Repeater is = exactly what you want, although it doesn't exist. I wish I knew = something more about it than that, but you can help wish it into = existence by looking at www.electrixpro.com.

    Diana Thompson <pushingair@hotmail.com><= /B> wrote:

    Thank = y'all for your support.

    I have a minimal setup: Boss = Loopstation, Boss Digital Delay, and a Behringer mixer. I'm thinking = about upgrading sometime soon. I really want to be able to remove select = loops after adding them. The only way to do that with the Loopstation is = to presave the loops I want to keep. I really want to keep my looping = all live. I also want to run my set continuously from beginning to end. = I don't want to put live loops down,=A0stop and=A0save them, and then go = on with the set. But for now, my setup works well.

    OK, while I'm = on it. Any recommendations for that upgrade? Coming from the setup I've = got, I'm not going to jump up to a laptop with Ableton. Considering what = I want to do and want to do, what's my next step up?

    Thanks'm, =

    PA

    From: daniel = stevenson <stillllscary@yahoo.com><= BR>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
    To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
    Subject: Re: Introducing...
    Date: = Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:40:39 -0700 (PDT)

    =
    howdy = diana.
    cool jams ya got there.what kind of gear are you = using?...these folks can answer anything=A0 or point ya in the right = direction thats 4sure,amazing technical resources abound,my field of = knowlege is primarilly nonsensical whimsey...but,its what i do = best.
    welcome to the collective...ressistance is = futile!!!
    boat drinks...danny///scary visionary.
    =


    Diana Thompson <pushingair@hotmail.com><= /B> wrote:
    =

    Greetings,

    I'm new this list and fairly new to looping. = My music is based out of jazz, blues, and African traditions. I use only = voice, a delay pedal, and a looping pedal. My favorite recent comment: = "Reminds me a little of Meredith Monk, but with more substance." =

    I've uploaded files from some recent live shows.=A0Please take a = listen to some of my tracks when you get a chance=A0and let me know your = impressions.

    www.pushingair.com/music

    <= P>Thanks!

    Pushing Air
    Diana Thompson
    Vocalist, Composer, = Improvisor
    www.pushingair.com


    =
    Find e-mail, = documents and more on your PC instantly with Windows Desktop = Search=96FREE!

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    = --Apple-Mail-1--245656386-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 28 21:00:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C01F3BFA3; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:00:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <055001c5dbfc$986eb1c0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <055001c5dbfc$986eb1c0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP Settings for Using Subsitute and Quantize by 8th Notes Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 23:00:20 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: <5qM9nD.A.jZF.nFpYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:00:23 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 28, 2005, at 22:17, Kris Hartung wrote: > I'm having some difficulty getting this trick to work. Rick got me > started on this a while back, but I am just now getting around to > doing it with my EDPs and Behringer controller. I set my quantize > to 8th notes, but I need to know what Switches and Timing parameter > settings to use to get the following to work right: Press Record, > play a few measures of 8th note melody work, press record again to > play back, start playing some longer duration notes and hit the > Substitute button a bunch of times in a row while you're > playing...the result is an interesting rhythmic effect with those > little 8th note slices of material popping in and out, all > quantized to 8th notes. The problem is that the way I have my > Switches and Timing parameters set now, when I try this, the > subtituted notes pop in but then after the first cycle of looping, > everything stops...no sound. I'm guessing that I need to change one > of the first four settings (along the EDP conrol panel or buttons) > under Switches and Timing, such as Record Mode, Overdub Mode, Round > Mode, Loop/Delay, etc. Any recommendations on what these should be > set at? I checked my EDP settings used for this guitar improvisation: http:// www.looproom.com/audio/edp_strat_01.mp3 It draws on the looping technique you describe but also a lot of HalfSpeed tapping as well a some Reverse. And I was jumping between a bunch of EDP programs with 8th/cycle settings varying from 8 to 128. Rec Mode = SUS Overcub = SUS INsert Mode = Sub Quantize = 8th Sync = In (to keep the tempo when in HalfSpeed) the Substitute Insert function I found working best was the normal MIDI note 5 (if no off-set used). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 28 21:01:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48B8C3BFAB; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:01:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:01:22 EDT Subject: Re: The other intro Re: intro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f.504b477a.3093eba2_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:01:27 +0000 (UTC) --part1_f.504b477a.3093eba2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Per, Back at ya! My whole family really likes your "Organizational Culture Loops" CD. I'm looking forward to the followup CD/DVD. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_f.504b477a.3093eba2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Per,

    Back at ya!

    My whole family really likes your "Organizational Culture Loops" CD.

    I'm looking forward to the followup CD/DVD.

    Best regards,

    tEd =AE kiLLiAn

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    http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
    http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
    http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

    Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
    BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
    AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
    RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
    and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
     --part1_f.504b477a.3093eba2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 28 21:07:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C38B33BFAD; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:07:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=BloO70gst9/XQUx9HdPaqC2Qiz6Q20RkW6EPMkN495jQPTMbLd8fDkYHs004MTQi; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220051052821919320@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The other intro Re: intro Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:09:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940e6fd35ada41927c1853acf3d0759e484350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.148.20.249 Resent-Message-ID: <0baa-B.A.dqF.tMpYDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:07:57 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Ted: No "sorry" necessary! I laughed as hard as I could allow myself, what with my 8-year-old sleeping nearby ;-) ~Timbus ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 10/28/2005 10:24:58 AM Subject: Re: The other intro Re: intro Tim, In a message dated 10/28/05 6:20:22 AM, mungenast@earthlink.net writes: Intro...that reminds me, Ted, the sound file of your intro/warmup was fun. Too bad it took 10 minutes of download for 45 seconds of audio ;-) Yet and still, I will attempt another download of some longer piece. Or maybe we can work out a price for you to burn me some stuff onto a CDR? (Still loving Flux Aeterna, BTW.) Sorry abou that. I just thought that Rick's short improv comedy routine "Mom's voice" was funny as heck and worth hearing. The other pieces are sort of me meandering. Glad you still enjoy "Flux Aeterna." I'm still relatively proud of it. I need to get my act together and do another CD. Best regards, tEd ® kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
    Ted:
    No "sorry" necessary! I laughed as hard as I could allow myself, what with my 8-year-old sleeping nearby ;-)
    ~Timbus
     
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:
    Sent: 10/28/2005 10:24:58 AM
    Subject: Re: The other intro Re: intro

    Tim,

    In a message dated 10/28/05 6:20:22 AM, mungenast@earthlink.net writes:

    Intro...that reminds me, Ted, the sound file of your intro/warmup was fun.
    Too bad it took 10 minutes of download for 45 seconds of audio ;-)  
    Yet and still, I will attempt another download of some longer piece.
    Or maybe we can work out a price for you to burn me some stuff
    onto a CDR? (Still loving Flux Aeterna, BTW.)

    Sorry abou that. I just thought that Rick's short improv comedy routine
    "Mom's voice" was funny as heck and worth hearing. The other pieces
    are sort of me meandering. Glad you still enjoy "Flux Aeterna." I'm still
    relatively proud of it. I need to get my act together and do another CD.

    Best regards,

    tEd ® kiLLiAn

    "Different is not always better, but better is always different"

    http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
    http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
    http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
    http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
    http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073
    http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314
    http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193

    Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
    BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
    AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
    RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
    and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
    ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 28 21:40:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 190BA3BFA7; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:40:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051028221938.02d64140@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 22:38:41 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: EDP Settings for Using Subsitute and Quantize by 8th Notes In-Reply-To: <20051028202514.20B4A3BF9F@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051028202514.20B4A3BF9F@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:40:17 +0000 (UTC) > I set my quantize to 8th notes, but I need to know what Switches > and Timing parameter settings to use to get the following to work > right: Press Record, play a few measures of 8th note melody work, > press record again to play back, start playing some longer duration > notes and hit the Substitute button a bunch of times in a row while > you're playing...the result is an interesting rhythmic effect with > those little 8th note slices of material popping in and out, all > quantized to 8th notes. The problem is that the way I have my > Switches and Timing parameters set now, when I try this, the > subtituted notes pop in but then after the first cycle of looping, > everything stops...no sound. I'm guessing that I need to change one > of the first four settings (along the EDP conrol panel or buttons) > under Switches and Timing, such as Record Mode, Overdub Mode, Round > Mode, Loop/Delay, etc. Any recommendations on what these should be set at? You need to set InsertMode = Sub and use Insert for the substitutes. The Direct MIDI substitute doesn't have the "bugfix" behaviour, so if you release the Subst before it starts the EDP will just go permanently into Substitute (and erase the loop). Quantise = 8th 8th/cycle = 8 (or whatever) You don't have to start by playing 8th notes if you don't want to :-) These days I start with a loop of 7+ seconds of ambient. Then hit mult, ...wait for the 000 to disappear, and straight away hit rec. That way I get a nice loop length for 8th stuff. The thing that people find hard is that it's real easy to keep replacing the same notes, and harder to do the ones you missed. Not such a problem if you play a melody that floats over the rhythm, and then just pick out some notes from that. Another trick is play a 3 beat rhythm 1.............2..........3..........1..........2...........3..... note......foot.....rest.......note......foot........rest......... which can quickly replace all the notes in the sequence. It's better to "Sub" after hitting the note, rather than simultaneous with it. refer to "Backwater", on my cd, or from y2k5 andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Oct 28 23:02:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDCB83BFAE; Fri, 28 Oct 2005 23:02:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 28 Oct 2005 23:02:00 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 18:01:40 -0500 Subject: Bernhard Wagner/Joe Rut duet X-Originating-Ip: 69.109.166.236 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20051028230150.624BCE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 23:02:03 +0000 (UTC) Hey there all- Bernhard and I had a chance to play together at my space a few days after Y= 2K5. We had a lot of fun, and recorded a few hours of improvisations.=20= =20 I've posted a piece from that collaboration on my site, should anyone desir= e to listen. It's at the very bottom of the page to which this link will t= ake=20 you. http://www.joerut.com/music.html Cheers, Joe Rut --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 29 00:57:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 246343BFA7; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 00:57:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4362C93B.2000404@Hevanet.com> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:58:35 -0700 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Settings for Using Subsitute and Quantize by 8th Notes References: <20051028202514.20B4A3BF9F@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051028221938.02d64140@pop.tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051028221938.02d64140@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 00:57:18 +0000 (UTC) a k butler wrote: > You don't have to start by playing 8th notes if you don't want to :-) > > These days I start with a loop of 7+ seconds of ambient. > Then hit mult, > ...wait for the 000 to disappear, > and straight away hit rec. > > That way I get a nice loop length for 8th stuff. > 8th notes in EDP...is there a default for tempo, so 7+ seconds gives the equivelent of a couple measures in 4/4 or 3/4 or _/4? What's the math? > refer to "Backwater", on my cd, or from y2k5 > > Sounds great! Do you get those slow attacks/swells with the EDP's Overdub or ___, or is that from the guitar end? David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 29 03:43:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADC503BFA7; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 03:43:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <05ae01c5dc3a$f85ee670$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Y2K5 Performance Recordings (new addition - Rick Walker) Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:43:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_05AB_01C5DC08.ACCB7070" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 365, in=165526, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 03:43:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_05AB_01C5DC08.ACCB7070 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick Walker Please note: Much of Rick's material here is total improptu between sets = or subsituting for folks who had to cancel...this is great stuff in my = opinon...very creative and spontaneous...live art at it's best a.. Improv Between Sets (beat box with crowd participation) - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034475.html=20 b.. Improv ("This is an ancient Japanese Instrument!" + Interesting = and creative percussion looping piece + Experimental halloween voice toy = looping, etc...far out! + Etheral voice looping + More vocal improv = looping + tribute song dedicated to Bob B., Hunter S., and David R.) - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034476.html=20 c.. Found Sound Distraction (Toy music intermission + Imprompu looping = with household items, voice, etc) - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1035894.html Andy Butler 00 - Rick's Intro - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096417.html 01 - Kasaundi - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1095610.html 02 - Aquarium 2 - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1115735.html 03 - Hanging Garden - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096133.html 04 - Altitude - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096418.html 05 - Backwater - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096419.html 06 - Falling Marbles - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1096435.html Adrien West - 6-string electric violin/mandolin http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1033665.html Doug Wright - Akai EWI, Tenor Saxophone http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1035694.html Goh Nakamura - acoustic guitar & vocals http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1035892.html Stanosaur - electric guitar http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034479.html Scott Drengsen - bass http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1034478.html Ute Bonn - vocals http://box.net/public/khartung/files/1036700.html Herb Heinz & Tim Thompson (HOOPLA) http://nosuchmedia.com/audio/hoopla_y2k5.mp3 Bernhard Wagner - electric guitar Part One - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987792.html Part Two (Verbal Intro) - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/991792.html Part Two - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/991793.html Part Three - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987794.html Part Four (with Max Valentino) - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987795.html Max Valentino - bass Part One (with Bernhard Wagner) - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/992129.html Ted Killian - electric guitar Rick's Intro and Ted Warming Up - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987388.html Part One - Guitar Dyslexia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985656.html Part Two - Guitar Dysphasia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/985657.html Part Three - Guitar Dyspasia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/988212.html Greg Powers http://box.net/public/khartung/files/976586.html Ghost 7 - bass http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975372.html Krispen Hartung - electric guitar http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html ------=_NextPart_000_05AB_01C5DC08.ACCB7070 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
     
    Rick = Walker
     
    Please note: Much of = Rick's=20 material here is total improptu between sets or subsituting for folks = who had to=20 cancel...this is great stuff in my opinon...very creative and = spontaneous...live=20 art at it's best
    Andy = Butler
     
     
    Adrien West - 6-string = electric=20 violin/mandolin

    Doug Wright - Akai = EWI, Tenor=20 Saxophone
     
    Goh Nakamura - = acoustic guitar=20 & vocals
     
    Stanosaur - electric=20 guitar
     
    Scott Drengsen - = bass
     
    Ute Bonn - = vocals
     
    Herb Heinz & Tim Thompson=20 (HOOPLA)
     
    Bernhard Wagner - = electric=20 guitar
     
    Part Four (with Max Valentino) - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987795.html
     
    Max Valentino - = bass
     
    Part One (with Bernhard Wagner) = - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/992129.html
     
    Ted Killian - electric=20 guitar
     
    Rick's Intro and Ted Warming Up - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/987388.html
    Part Three - Guitar Dyspasia - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/988212.html=
     
    Greg = Powers
     
    Ghost 7 - = bass
     
    Krispen Hartung - = electric=20 guitar
    http://box.net/public/khartung/files/975177.html
     
    ------=_NextPart_000_05AB_01C5DC08.ACCB7070-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 29 03:47:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6CF83BFB5; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 03:47:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <05b601c5dc3b$7d508fa0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20051028202514.20B4A3BF9F@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051028221938.02d64140@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: EDP Settings for Using Subsitute and Quantize by 8th Notes Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:47:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 27, in=16170, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 03:47:33 +0000 (UTC) Interesting, so don't map my Berinner MIDI button directly to the substitute function, but to Insert and set it to Substitute in the EDP control panel. Okay. Thanks, Andy. I'll give that try. I guess that is what you would do with the EDP controller anyway, since it has the insert button. However, I liked the substitute mode in SUS so I don't have to hit the button twice. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "a k butler" To: Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 3:38 PM Subject: Re: EDP Settings for Using Subsitute and Quantize by 8th Notes > > > I set my quantize to 8th notes, but I need to know what Switches > > and Timing parameter settings to use to get the following to work > > right: Press Record, play a few measures of 8th note melody work, > > press record again to play back, start playing some longer duration > > notes and hit the Substitute button a bunch of times in a row while > > you're playing...the result is an interesting rhythmic effect with > > those little 8th note slices of material popping in and out, all > > quantized to 8th notes. The problem is that the way I have my > > Switches and Timing parameters set now, when I try this, the > > subtituted notes pop in but then after the first cycle of looping, > > everything stops...no sound. I'm guessing that I need to change one > > of the first four settings (along the EDP conrol panel or buttons) > > under Switches and Timing, such as Record Mode, Overdub Mode, Round > > Mode, Loop/Delay, etc. Any recommendations on what these should be set at? > > You need to set > InsertMode = Sub > and use Insert for the substitutes. > The Direct MIDI substitute doesn't have the "bugfix" behaviour, > so if you release the Subst before it starts the EDP will just go permanently > into Substitute (and erase the loop). > > Quantise = 8th > 8th/cycle = 8 (or whatever) > > > > You don't have to start by playing 8th notes if you don't want to :-) > > These days I start with a loop of 7+ seconds of ambient. > Then hit mult, > ...wait for the 000 to disappear, > and straight away hit rec. > > That way I get a nice loop length for 8th stuff. > > The thing that people find hard is that it's real easy to keep > replacing the same notes, and harder to do the ones you missed. > Not such a problem if you play a melody that floats over the rhythm, > and then just pick out some notes from that. > > Another trick is play a 3 beat rhythm > 1.............2..........3..........1..........2...........3..... > note......foot.....rest.......note......foot........rest......... > which can quickly replace all the notes in the sequence. > > > > It's better to "Sub" after hitting the note, rather than simultaneous with it. > > refer to "Backwater", on my cd, or from y2k5 > > andy butler > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 29 03:49:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 236903BFBA; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 03:49:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <05c601c5dc3b$d2c64ec0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20051028230150.624BCE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Subject: Re: Bernhard Wagner/Joe Rut duet Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:49:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 27, in=16172, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 03:49:57 +0000 (UTC) Good grief, Joe, did you jam non-stop with these guys after the event? :) Did you sleep? You are a maniac. Way to go. I wish I had thought of that. I would have loved to play with someone and record it on my Masterlink. Maybe next time. Krs ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe rut" To: Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 5:01 PM Subject: Bernhard Wagner/Joe Rut duet Hey there all- Bernhard and I had a chance to play together at my space a few days after Y2K5. We had a lot of fun, and recorded a few hours of improvisations. I've posted a piece from that collaboration on my site, should anyone desire to listen. It's at the very bottom of the page to which this link will take you. http://www.joerut.com/music.html Cheers, Joe Rut -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 29 04:59:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADC763BFB6; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 04:59:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <05dc01c5dc45$8ef98ae0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <20051028202514.20B4A3BF9F@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051028221938.02d64140@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: EDP Settings for Using Subsitute and Quantize by 8th Notes Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 22:59:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 27, in=16181, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 04:59:38 +0000 (UTC) Got it working now. Excellent. I just like the randomness of hitting the Insert button (set to sub) at any given point in time after I've laid some layers of loops down....it's just interesting to hear the results....and keep on doing it until the original loop set is mangled beyond recognition!!!! The reverse it, half speed, record in half speed, play back in normal speed, etc..loads of fun. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "a k butler" To: Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 3:38 PM Subject: Re: EDP Settings for Using Subsitute and Quantize by 8th Notes > > > I set my quantize to 8th notes, but I need to know what Switches > > and Timing parameter settings to use to get the following to work > > right: Press Record, play a few measures of 8th note melody work, > > press record again to play back, start playing some longer duration > > notes and hit the Substitute button a bunch of times in a row while > > you're playing...the result is an interesting rhythmic effect with > > those little 8th note slices of material popping in and out, all > > quantized to 8th notes. The problem is that the way I have my > > Switches and Timing parameters set now, when I try this, the > > subtituted notes pop in but then after the first cycle of looping, > > everything stops...no sound. I'm guessing that I need to change one > > of the first four settings (along the EDP conrol panel or buttons) > > under Switches and Timing, such as Record Mode, Overdub Mode, Round > > Mode, Loop/Delay, etc. Any recommendations on what these should be set at? > > You need to set > InsertMode = Sub > and use Insert for the substitutes. > The Direct MIDI substitute doesn't have the "bugfix" behaviour, > so if you release the Subst before it starts the EDP will just go permanently > into Substitute (and erase the loop). > > Quantise = 8th > 8th/cycle = 8 (or whatever) > > > > You don't have to start by playing 8th notes if you don't want to :-) > > These days I start with a loop of 7+ seconds of ambient. > Then hit mult, > ...wait for the 000 to disappear, > and straight away hit rec. > > That way I get a nice loop length for 8th stuff. > > The thing that people find hard is that it's real easy to keep > replacing the same notes, and harder to do the ones you missed. > Not such a problem if you play a melody that floats over the rhythm, > and then just pick out some notes from that. > > Another trick is play a 3 beat rhythm > 1.............2..........3..........1..........2...........3..... > note......foot.....rest.......note......foot........rest......... > which can quickly replace all the notes in the sequence. > > > > It's better to "Sub" after hitting the note, rather than simultaneous with it. > > refer to "Backwater", on my cd, or from y2k5 > > andy butler > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 29 10:10:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B12F53BF8D; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 10:10:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003201c5dc70$f703b3b0$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "mark francombe" To: Subject: EDP preset secret??? Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:10:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01C5DC81.BA5F3220" X-Unsent: 1 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 10:10:23 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C5DC81.BA5F3220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I suppose eveyone knows that pressing (and holding) insert before you = make a loop, is a nifty way of changing presets??? Ive been using it for = ages, but Im not sure where I learned it from, I don't think i found it = in the book. But is there a simelar way of changing presets DURING loop = play? I know I can change 'em via midi, but I like the "scrolling" = method of the INSERT trick. Maybe an UP/DOWN combo would be good? = Currently I "do it with my fingers"! mark PS for those who missed my online VStudio "gig" IN NYC, my performance = (as it was relayed via the big screen) is now at http://www.furtherstudio.org/live/furthernoise/markfrancombe.html For those of you that havent seen it, VStudio is a free collaborative = LOOPING visual and audio environment, open for all except during special = arrangements or concerts. mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for = www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C5DC81.BA5F3220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    I suppose eveyone knows that pressing = (and holding)=20 insert  before you make a loop, is a nifty way of changing = presets??? Ive=20 been using it for ages, but Im not sure where I learned it from, I don't = think i=20 found it in the book. But is there a simelar way of changing presets = DURING loop=20 play? I know I can change 'em via midi, but I like the "scrolling" = method of the=20 INSERT trick. Maybe an UP/DOWN combo would be good? = Currently I  "do=20 it with my fingers"!
     
    mark
     
    PS for those who missed my online = VStudio=20  "gig" IN NYC, my performance (as it was relayed via the big = screen) is now=20 at

    http://www.furtherstudio.org/live/furthernoise/markfrancombe.htm= l
     
    For those of you that havent seen it, VStudio is a free = collaborative=20 LOOPING visual and audio environment, open for all except during special = arrangements or concerts.
     
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    ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C5DC81.BA5F3220-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 29 10:12:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C59D73BF9E; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 10:12:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Introducing... Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:13:53 +0200 Message-ID: <001d01c5dc71$77a4a060$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C5DC82.3B2D7060" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 10:12:36 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C5DC82.3B2D7060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PA, =20 what do you mean by "removing selected loops after adding them"? Do you think about something like this: =20 Step 1: record loop1 - loop1 playing Step 2: record loop2 - loop1+2 playing Step 3: record loop 3 - loop1+2+3 playing Step 4: remove loop 2 - loop1+3 playing =20 If that is what you want to do, the only hardware solution that comes to my mind would be a multi-track looper -> the Repeater. However, you'd be limited to four loops you could bring in and out at will. =20 Judging from the few song of you I listened to, the Repeater seems a very interesting choice for you, because it also offers independent pitch-shifting on all four tracks (and this in surprising quality). =20 On the downside, the Repeater is rather pricey, and we're still waiting for the Repeater V2. And from what I read about it, I wouldn't second the "the Repeater does everything you need" statement, as with the V2 you still seem to have the problem that you can't go into overdub right away. =20 (Meaning: starting a loop and recording, closing the loop and immediately start overdubbing from the beginning is not possible. Workaround: you have to either record an empty loop and then overdub into it. This is acceptable for some people (e.g. people who know in advance how long their loops is gonna be.) =20 Perhaps you should give the laptop idea a second thought... =20 Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Diana Thompson [mailto:pushingair@hotmail.com]=20 Gesendet: Freitag, 28. Oktober 2005 22:32 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Introducing... Thank y'all for your support.=20 I have a minimal setup: Boss Loopstation, Boss Digital Delay, and a Behringer mixer. I'm thinking about upgrading sometime soon. I really want to be able to remove select loops after adding them. The only way to do that with the Loopstation is to presave the loops I want to keep. I really want to keep my looping all live. I also want to run my set continuously from beginning to end. I don't want to put live loops down, stop and save them, and then go on with the set. But for now, my setup works well.=20 OK, while I'm on it. Any recommendations for that upgrade? Coming from the setup I've got, I'm not going to jump up to a laptop with Ableton. Considering what I want to do and want to do, what's my next step up?=20 Thanks'm,=20 PA _____ =20 From: daniel stevenson Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Introducing... Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:40:39 -0700 (PDT) howdy diana. cool jams ya got there.what kind of gear are you using?...these folks can answer anything or point ya in the right direction thats 4sure,amazing technical resources abound,my field of knowlege is primarilly nonsensical whimsey...but,its what i do best. welcome to the collective...ressistance is futile!!! boat drinks...danny///scary visionary. Diana Thompson wrote: Greetings,=20 I'm new this list and fairly new to looping. My music is based out of jazz, blues, and African traditions. I use only voice, a delay pedal, and a looping pedal. My favorite recent comment: "Reminds me a little of Meredith Monk, but with more substance."=20 I've uploaded files from some recent live shows. Please take a listen to some of my tracks when you get a chance and let me know your impressions.=20 www.pushingair.com/music Thanks!=20 Pushing Air Diana Thompson Vocalist, Composer, Improvisor www.pushingair.com _____ =20 Find e-mail, documents and more on your PC instantly with Windows Desktop Search=96FREE!=20 _____ =20 Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.=20 _____ =20 Make FREE PC-to-PC calls with MSN Messenger. Get it now!=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C5DC82.3B2D7060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nachricht
    PA,
     
    what=20 do you mean by "removing selected loops after adding them"? Do you think = about=20 something like this:
     
    Step=20 1: record loop1 - loop1 playing
    Step=20 2: record loop2 - loop1+2 playing
    Step=20 3: record loop 3 - loop1+2+3 playing
    Step=20 4: remove loop 2 - loop1+3 playing
     
    If=20 that is what you want to do, the only hardware solution that comes to my = mind=20 would be a multi-track looper -> the Repeater. However, you'd be = limited to=20 four loops you could bring in and out at will.
     
    Judging from the few song of you I listened to, the Repeater = seems a very=20 interesting choice for you, because it also offers independent = pitch-shifting on=20 all four tracks (and this in surprising quality).
     
    On the=20 downside, the Repeater is rather pricey, and we're still waiting for the = Repeater V2. And from what I read about it, I wouldn't second the "the = Repeater=20 does everything you need" statement, as with the V2 you still seem to = have the=20 problem that you can't go into overdub right away.
     
    (Meaning: starting a loop and recording, closing the loop and = immediately=20 start overdubbing from the beginning is not possible. Workaround: you = have to=20 either record an empty loop and then overdub into it. This is acceptable = for=20 some people (e.g. people who know in advance how long their loops is = gonna=20 be.)
     
    Perhaps you should give the laptop idea a second=20 thought...
     
           &nbs= p;   =20 Rainer
    -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
    Von: Diana = Thompson=20 [mailto:pushingair@hotmail.com]
    Gesendet: Freitag, 28. = Oktober 2005=20 22:32
    An: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Betreff: Re:=20 Introducing...

    Thank y'all for your support.

    I have a minimal setup: Boss=20 Loopstation, Boss Digital Delay, and a Behringer mixer. I'm thinking = about=20 upgrading sometime soon. I really want to be able to remove select = loops after=20 adding them. The only way to do that with the Loopstation is to = presave the=20 loops I want to keep. I really want to keep my looping all live. I = also want=20 to run my set continuously from beginning to end. I don't want to put = live=20 loops down, stop and save them, and then go on with the set. = But for=20 now, my setup works well.

    OK, while I'm on it. Any recommendations for that upgrade? Coming = from the=20 setup I've got, I'm not going to jump up to a laptop with Ableton. = Considering=20 what I want to do and want to do, what's my next step up?

    Thanks'm,

    PA

    From: daniel stevenson = <stillllscary@yahoo.com>
    Reply-To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Re:=20 Introducing...
    Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:40:39 -0700=20 (PDT)

    howdy diana.
    cool jams ya got there.what kind of gear are you using?...these = folks=20 can answer anything  or point ya in the right direction thats=20 4sure,amazing technical resources abound,my field of knowlege is = primarilly=20 nonsensical whimsey...but,its what i do best.
    welcome to the collective...ressistance is futile!!!
    boat drinks...danny///scary visionary.


    Diana Thompson = <pushingair@hotmail.com>=20 wrote:

    Greetings,

    I'm new this list and fairly new to looping. My music is based = out of=20 jazz, blues, and African traditions. I use only voice, a delay = pedal, and=20 a looping pedal. My favorite recent comment: "Reminds me a little = of=20 Meredith Monk, but with more substance."

    I've uploaded files from some recent live shows. Please = take a=20 listen to some of my tracks when you get a chance and let me = know=20 your impressions.

    www.pushingair.com/music

    =

    Thanks!

    Pushing=20 Air
    Diana=20 Thompson
    Vocalist, Composer, Improvisor
    www.pushingair.com

    Find = e-mail, documents=20 and more on your PC instantly with Windows Desktop = Search–FREE!=20

    Yahoo!=20 FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click.=20

    Make FREE=20 PC-to-PC calls with MSN Messenger. Get it now! = ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C5DC82.3B2D7060-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 29 10:18:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25E623BF9E; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 10:18:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: VStudio gig Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:19:58 +0200 Message-ID: <002401c5dc72$50be5300$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01C5DC83.14472300" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <003201c5dc70$f703b3b0$5a01a8c0@mark> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 10:18:39 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C5DC83.14472300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just went to the link below while at the same time listening to "t=FAdo = na mais santa paz" by Toquinho e Vinicius - great interactive remix! ;-) =20 Is this VStudio thing your story? Can you tell us more about it? Sorry if I missed the introduction here, just tell me so then... =20 Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: mark francombe [mailto:mark@markfrancombe.com]=20 Gesendet: Samstag, 29. Oktober 2005 12:10 An: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: EDP preset secret??? I suppose eveyone knows that pressing (and holding) insert before you make a loop, is a nifty way of changing presets??? Ive been using it for ages, but Im not sure where I learned it from, I don't think i found it in the book. But is there a simelar way of changing presets DURING loop play? I know I can change 'em via midi, but I like the "scrolling" method of the INSERT trick. Maybe an UP/DOWN combo would be good? Currently I "do it with my fingers"! =20 mark =20 PS for those who missed my online VStudio "gig" IN NYC, my performance (as it was relayed via the big screen) is now at http://www.furtherstudio.org/live/furthernoise/markfrancombe.html =20 For those of you that havent seen it, VStudio is a free collaborative LOOPING visual and audio environment, open for all except during special arrangements or concerts. =20 mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com _____ =20 I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 14065 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C5DC83.14472300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nachricht
    Just=20 went to the link below while at the same time listening to "t=FAdo na = mais santa=20 paz" by Toquinho e Vinicius - great interactive remix! = ;-)
     
    Is=20 this VStudio thing your story? Can you tell us more about it? Sorry if I = missed=20 the introduction here, just tell me so then...
     
           =20 Rainer
    -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
    Von: mark = francombe=20 [mailto:mark@markfrancombe.com]
    Gesendet: Samstag, 29. = Oktober 2005=20 12:10
    An: = loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Betreff: EDP=20 preset secret???

    I suppose eveyone knows that pressing = (and=20 holding) insert  before you make a loop, is a nifty way of = changing=20 presets??? Ive been using it for ages, but Im not sure where I learned = it=20 from, I don't think i found it in the book. But is there a simelar way = of=20 changing presets DURING loop play? I know I can change 'em via midi, = but I=20 like the "scrolling" method of the INSERT trick. Maybe an UP/DOWN = combo would=20 be good? Currently I  "do it with my fingers"!
     
    mark
     
    PS for those who missed my online = VStudio=20  "gig" IN NYC, my performance (as it was relayed via the big = screen) is=20 now at

    http://www.furtherstudio.org/live/furthernoise/markfrancombe.htm= l
     
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    ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C5DC83.14472300-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 29 10:29:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49FCF3BF9F; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 10:29:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051029112102.02dd9e20@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:27:10 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: EDP Settings for Using Subsitute and Quantize by 8th Notes In-Reply-To: <20051029034734.471423BFB9@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051029034734.471423BFB9@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <8u4fBC.A.2lG.270YDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 10:29:11 +0000 (UTC) At 04:47 29/10/05, you wrote: >a k butler wrote: > >> >>These days I start with a loop of 7+ seconds of ambient. >>Then hit mult, >>...wait for the 000 to disappear, >>and straight away hit rec. >> >>That way I get a nice loop length for 8th stuff. >8th notes in EDP...is there a default for tempo, so 7+ seconds gives >the equivelent of a couple measures in 4/4 or 3/4 or _/4? What's the math? as Quant=8th, and 8th/cycle=8 this means that the loop length is divided by 8. This gives a loop of just under a second. >>refer to "Backwater", on my cd, or from y2k5 > >Sounds great! Do you get those slow attacks/swells with the EDP's >Overdub or ___, or is that from the guitar end? that's from the Vortex. >David andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 29 14:43:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EED1D3BF98; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:43:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <062c01c5dc97$2ea513b0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <003201c5dc70$f703b3b0$5a01a8c0@mark> Subject: Re: EDP preset secret??? Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 08:43:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0629_01C5DC64.E3457EF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 28, in=16243, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:43:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0629_01C5DC64.E3457EF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And this is regardless of what Insert =3D in the EDP controll panel? = This is great. Thanks for sharing, Mark. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mark francombe=20 To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 4:10 AM Subject: EDP preset secret??? I suppose eveyone knows that pressing (and holding) insert before you = make a loop, is a nifty way of changing presets??? Ive been using it for = ages, but Im not sure where I learned it from, I don't think i found it = in the book. But is there a simelar way of changing presets DURING loop = play? I know I can change 'em via midi, but I like the "scrolling" = method of the INSERT trick. Maybe an UP/DOWN combo would be good? = Currently I "do it with my fingers"! mark PS for those who missed my online VStudio "gig" IN NYC, my = performance (as it was relayed via the big screen) is now at http://www.furtherstudio.org/live/furthernoise/markfrancombe.html For those of you that havent seen it, VStudio is a free collaborative = LOOPING visual and audio environment, open for all except during special = arrangements or concerts. mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for = www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 14065 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter for free now! ------=_NextPart_000_0629_01C5DC64.E3457EF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    And this is regardless of what Insert = =3D in the EDP=20 controll panel?  This is great. Thanks for sharing, = Mark.
     
    Kris
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    Subject: EDP preset = secret???

    I suppose eveyone knows that pressing = (and=20 holding) insert  before you make a loop, is a nifty way of = changing=20 presets??? Ive been using it for ages, but Im not sure where I learned = it=20 from, I don't think i found it in the book. But is there a simelar way = of=20 changing presets DURING loop play? I know I can change 'em via midi, = but I=20 like the "scrolling" method of the INSERT trick. Maybe an UP/DOWN = combo would=20 be good? Currently I  "do it with my fingers"!
     
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    ------=_NextPart_000_0629_01C5DC64.E3457EF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 29 15:29:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C73C3BFA0; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:29:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,266,1125892800"; d="scan'208,217"; a="1742523932:sNHT29791834" In-Reply-To: <001d01c5dc71$77a4a060$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> References: <001d01c5dc71$77a4a060$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--178798661 Message-Id: From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: AW: Introducing... Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 10:29:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: <-WSYiB.A.yKC.BV5YDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:29:06 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--178798661 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed I am quite certain that the record into overdub feature is one of the =20= things OS 2 addresses. I just spent the last half an hour trying to =20 figure out why I know that -- it is mentioned in the discussion =20 group, but that isn't reliable. Did Electrix take some web pages =20 down? I'm not sure. But I am sure that I read that about the overdub =20 from record, a vaporous new feature from our favorite vaporware. I'll =20= hunt more later. On Oct 29, 2005, at 5:13 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill =20 wrote: > PA, > > what do you mean by "removing selected loops after adding them"? Do =20= > you think about something like this: > > Step 1: record loop1 - loop1 playing > Step 2: record loop2 - loop1+2 playing > Step 3: record loop 3 - loop1+2+3 playing > Step 4: remove loop 2 - loop1+3 playing > > If that is what you want to do, the only hardware solution that =20 > comes to my mind would be a multi-track looper -> the Repeater. =20 > However, you'd be limited to four loops you could bring in and out =20 > at will. > > Judging from the few song of you I listened to, the Repeater seems =20 > a very interesting choice for you, because it also offers =20 > independent pitch-shifting on all four tracks (and this in =20 > surprising quality). > > On the downside, the Repeater is rather pricey, and we're still =20 > waiting for the Repeater V2. And from what I read about it, I =20 > wouldn't second the "the Repeater does everything you need" =20 > statement, as with the V2 you still seem to have the problem that =20 > you can't go into overdub right away. > > (Meaning: starting a loop and recording, closing the loop and =20 > immediately start overdubbing from the beginning is not possible. =20 > Workaround: you have to either record an empty loop and then =20 > overdub into it. This is acceptable for some people (e.g. people =20 > who know in advance how long their loops is gonna be.) > > Perhaps you should give the laptop idea a second thought... > > Rainer > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Diana Thompson [mailto:pushingair@hotmail.com] > Gesendet: Freitag, 28. Oktober 2005 22:32 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: Introducing... > > Thank y'all for your support. > > I have a minimal setup: Boss Loopstation, Boss Digital Delay, and a =20= > Behringer mixer. I'm thinking about upgrading sometime soon. I =20 > really want to be able to remove select loops after adding them. =20 > The only way to do that with the Loopstation is to presave the =20 > loops I want to keep. I really want to keep my looping all live. I =20 > also want to run my set continuously from beginning to end. I don't =20= > want to put live loops down, stop and save them, and then go on =20 > with the set. But for now, my setup works well. > > OK, while I'm on it. Any recommendations for that upgrade? Coming =20 > from the setup I've got, I'm not going to jump up to a laptop with =20 > Ableton. Considering what I want to do and want to do, what's my =20 > next step up? > > Thanks'm, > > PA > > From: daniel stevenson > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Introducing... > Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:40:39 -0700 (PDT) > > howdy diana. > cool jams ya got there.what kind of gear are you using?...these =20 > folks can answer anything or point ya in the right direction thats =20= > 4sure,amazing technical resources abound,my field of knowlege is =20 > primarilly nonsensical whimsey...but,its what i do best. > welcome to the collective...ressistance is futile!!! > boat drinks...danny///scary visionary. > > > Diana Thompson wrote: > Greetings, > > I'm new this list and fairly new to looping. My music is based out =20 > of jazz, blues, and African traditions. I use only voice, a delay =20 > pedal, and a looping pedal. My favorite recent comment: "Reminds me =20= > a little of Meredith Monk, but with more substance." > > I've uploaded files from some recent live shows. Please take a =20 > listen to some of my tracks when you get a chance and let me know =20 > your impressions. > > www.pushingair.com/music > > Thanks! > > Pushing Air > Diana Thompson > Vocalist, Composer, Improvisor > www.pushingair.com > > > Find e-mail, documents and more on your PC instantly with Windows =20 > Desktop Search=96FREE! > > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > Make FREE PC-to-PC calls with MSN Messenger. Get it now! --Apple-Mail-1--178798661 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252
    I am quite certain that the = record into overdub feature is one of the things OS 2 addresses. I just = spent the last half an hour trying to figure out why I know that -- it = is mentioned in the discussion group, but that isn't reliable. Did = Electrix take some web pages down? I'm not sure. But I am sure that I = read that about the overdub from record, a vaporous new feature from our = favorite vaporware. I'll hunt more later.



    On Oct 29, 2005, = at 5:13 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote:

    =
    PA,
    =A0
    what do you mean by "removing selected loops after adding = them"? Do you think about something like this:
    =
    =A0
    Step 1: record loop1 - loop1 playing
    =
    Step 2:=A0record loop2 - loop1+2 = playing
    Step 3: record loop 3 - = loop1+2+3 playing
    Step 4: remove loop 2 - loop1+3 playing
    =
    =A0
    If that is what you want to do, the only hardware solution = that comes to my mind would be a multi-track looper -> the Repeater. = However, you'd be limited to four loops you could bring in and out at = will.
    =A0
    =
    Judging from the few song of you I listened = to, the Repeater seems a very interesting choice for you, because it = also offers independent pitch-shifting on all four tracks (and this in = surprising quality).
    =A0
    On the downside, the Repeater is rather pricey, and we're = still waiting for the Repeater V2. And from what I read about it, I = wouldn't second the "the Repeater does everything you need" statement, = as with the V2 you still seem to have the problem that you can't go into = overdub right away.
    =A0
    (Meaning: starting a loop and recording, closing the loop and = immediately start overdubbing from the beginning is not possible. = Workaround: you have to either record an empty loop and then overdub = into it. This is acceptable for some people (e.g. people who know in = advance how long their loops is gonna be.)
    =
    =A0
    Perhaps you should give the laptop idea a second = thought...
    =A0
    =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Rainer
    =
    -----Urspr=FCngliche = Nachricht-----
    Von: Diana Thompson [mailto:pushingair@hotmail.com] =
    Gesendet: Freitag, 28. Oktober 2005 22:32
    An: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
    Betreff: Re: = Introducing...

    Thank y'all for your = support.

    I have a minimal setup: Boss Loopstation, Boss = Digital Delay, and a Behringer mixer. I'm thinking about upgrading = sometime soon. I really want to be able to remove select loops after = adding them. The only way to do that with the Loopstation is to presave = the loops I want to keep. I really want to keep my looping all live. I = also want to run my set continuously from beginning to end. I don't = want to put live loops down,=A0stop and=A0save them, and then go on = with the set. But for now, my setup works well.

    OK, while I'm = on it. Any recommendations for that upgrade? Coming from the setup = I've got, I'm not going to jump up to a laptop with Ableton. Considering = what I want to do and want to do, what's my next step up? =

    Thanks'm,

    PA

    = From: daniel stevenson <stillllscary@yahoo.com><= BR>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
    To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
    Subject: Re: Introducing...
    Date: = Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:40:39 -0700 (PDT)

    =
    howdy = diana.
    cool jams ya got there.what kind of gear are you = using?...these folks can answer anything=A0 or point ya in the right = direction thats 4sure,amazing technical resources abound,my field of = knowlege is primarilly nonsensical whimsey...but,its what i do = best.
    welcome to the collective...ressistance is = futile!!!
    boat drinks...danny///scary visionary.
    =


    Diana Thompson <pushingair@hotmail.com><= /B> wrote:

    Greetings,

    I'm new this list and fairly new = to looping. My music is based out of jazz, blues, and African = traditions. I use only voice, a delay pedal, and a looping pedal. = My favorite recent comment: "Reminds me a little of Meredith Monk, = but with more substance."

    I've uploaded files from some recent = live shows.=A0Please take a listen to some of my tracks when you = get a chance=A0and let me know your impressions.

    www.pushingair.com/music

    <= P>Thanks!

    Pushing Air
    Diana Thompson
    Vocalist, Composer, = Improvisor
    www.pushingair.com


    =
    Find = e-mail, documents and more on your PC instantly with Windows = Desktop Search=96FREE!

    Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel = sites in one click.

    =
    Make FREE PC-to-PC calls with MSN Messenger. Get it = now!

    = --Apple-Mail-1--178798661-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 29 16:06:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9750B3BFA6; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 16:06:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,266,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="1742632603:sNHT20318784" In-Reply-To: References: <001d01c5dc71$77a4a060$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <32D03253-64AF-426B-A5F7-2D87FBF0FD4E@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: AW: Introducing... Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:06:37 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: <98Ax8B.A.jEE.i45YDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 16:06:58 +0000 (UTC) With the new Repeater MK2, some of the enhancements you can expect are: o Independent track looping control (can act like a sampler as well). o Initial Record direct into overdub. o Loop length pre-programming. o Completely overhauled MIDI implementation that will give you greater control over more features. o Persistent settings on power down/power up. The unit now remembers your setup. o Sticky settings (stereo link, pan, pitch, metronome) optionally imported to new loops on creation. o Utilities menu for controlling system operation from the front panel, including MIDI channel. Issues fixed from System 1.10 o Vastly improved MIDI clock quality. o Positive indication of muted channels. On Oct 29, 2005, at 10:29 AM, Kelly Coyle wrote: > I am quite certain that the record into overdub feature is one of > the things OS 2 addresses. I just spent the last half an hour > trying to figure out why I know that -- it is mentioned in the > discussion group, but that isn't reliable. Did Electrix take some > web pages down? I'm not sure. But I am sure that I read that about > the overdub from record, a vaporous new feature from our favorite > vaporware. I'll hunt more later. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 29 16:24:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 585593BF69; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 16:24:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <9d.6bb8f10f.3094fc2c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:24:12 EDT Subject: Re: Bernhard Wagner/Joe Rut duet To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9d.6bb8f10f.3094fc2c_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: YES Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 16:24:16 +0000 (UTC) --part1_9d.6bb8f10f.3094fc2c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all! In a message dated 10/28/05 8:50:06 PM, khartung@cableone.net writes: > http://www.joerut.com/music.html >=20 I just tried to go to your link and got the following: "Not Found The requested URL /music.html/ was not found on this server" Is there something I am doing wrong? Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_9d.6bb8f10f.3094fc2c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all!

    In a message dated 10/28/05 8:50:06 PM, khartung@cableone.net writes:

    http://www.joerut.com= /music.html

    I just tried to go to your link and got the following:

    "    <= B>Not Found
     The requested URL /music.html/ was not found on this server"

    Is there something I am doing wrong?

    Best regards,

    tEd =AE kiLLiAn

    "Different is not always better, but better is always different"

    http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
    http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
    http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
    http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
    http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
    http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
    http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

    Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
    BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
    AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
    RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
    and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
     --part1_9d.6bb8f10f.3094fc2c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 29 16:31:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D2013BFBD; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 16:31:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <065001c5dca6$3798f4a0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <9d.6bb8f10f.3094fc2c@aol.com> Subject: Re: Bernhard Wagner/Joe Rut duet Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 10:31:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_064D_01C5DC73.EC271060" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.500000 Possible url forgery/scam=2.0,Some tags-to-text=0.5 X-UrlForgery: (http://www.joerut.com) (http://www.joerut) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 365, in=165632, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 16:31:33 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_064D_01C5DC73.EC271060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I it worked for me yesterday, and I really liked what I heard...very = free. Looks like it is working for me again today: http://www.joerut.com/music/pteradactylbob.mp3 Nice work, Joe and Bernard. I downloaded this one to my PC for future = listening. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ArsOcarina@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 10:24 AM Subject: Re: Bernhard Wagner/Joe Rut duet Hi all! In a message dated 10/28/05 8:50:06 PM, khartung@cableone.net writes: http://www.joerut.com/music.html I just tried to go to your link and got the following: "Not Found The requested URL /music.html/ was not found on this server" Is there something I am doing wrong? Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_000_064D_01C5DC73.EC271060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    I it worked for me yesterday, and  = I really=20 liked what I heard...very free. Looks like it is working for me again=20 today:
     
    http://www.joerut= .com/music/pteradactylbob.mp3
     
    Nice work, Joe and Bernard. I = downloaded this one=20 to my PC for future listening.
     
    Kris
     
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 ArsOcarina@aol.com
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Saturday, October 29, = 2005 10:24=20 AM
    Subject: Re: Bernhard = Wagner/Joe Rut=20 duet

    Hi all!

    In a message dated = 10/28/05 8:50:06=20 PM, khartung@cableone.net = writes:

    http://www.joerut.com/music.htm= l

    I just tried to go to your link and = got the=20 following:

    "    Not Found
    The requested URL /music.html/ was not found = on this=20 server"

    Is there something I am doing = wrong?

    Best=20 regards,

    tEd =AE kiLLiAn

    "Different is not always better, but = better is=20 always=20 = different"

    http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
    http://www.CDbaby.= com/cd/tedkillian
    http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
    http://ww= w.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
    http://www.towerrecords.com/product= .aspx?pfid=3D2845073
    http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBN= M_17314
    http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D1= 93

    Ted=20 Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple = iTunes,
    BuyMusic,=20 Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
    AudioLunchbox, = Lindows,=20 QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
    RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, = CatchMusic, Puretracks,
    and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, = blah, blah.=20 So???
     ------=_NextPart_000_064D_01C5DC73.EC271060-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 29 18:14:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8A3D3BF99; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 18:14:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006e01c5dcb4$89ae1b40$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "mark francombe" To: Subject: VStudio Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:14:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Unsent: 1 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 18:14:03 +0000 (UTC) NO Rainer VStudio is NOT my story.. but I am helping in it development. = It=20 lies on Furthurnoise.org, where I am a guest reviewer and as such am = kinda a=20 bit involved as a user, beta tester and VStudio guru!!! So I have used = it to=20 collaborate live with a few people, played live on Resonance FM in the = UK=20 and done a few "gigs". Currently we have a residency once a month at The = Point in the Bronx. What is it? It simple really,Built in flash you can upload audio loops,=20 images, and preprepared Flash movies, and then load them into a series = of 8=20 slots or layers, where you can do a few simple things, like sound level, = pan,(on audio) transparencey position etc (on image) and that it!!! The = fun=20 is in the fact that there ONLY ONE, so there no saving and anyone can = ruin=20 your work. I have really pushed what it can do in terms of of limitations and CPU, = and=20 have made some interesting stuff.... nothing is really synched, so you = have=20 to think jazz or abstract, but Ive also put up a whole track (streamed = from=20 MY webspace with a stub file ulploaded to VStudio) and used it simply as = a=20 video tool, making visuals for my music (infact Im planning a DVDR = release=20 soon!!!). I just jam on one machine and record a screen grab from = andothe=20 machine. (Actually my friends at futhernoise do it for me, we plan = saving=20 mixes in a future version.) IN the pipeline are... stand alone versions for home use, saving, = loading,=20 seperate url for performance window (the interface gets cluttered with = users=20 when it busy) Anyway ANYONE can give it a go.. you dont have to upload anything, just=20 steal other peoples work!!!!! http://www.furtherstudio.org/live/ HAve fun MArk >Just went to the link below while at the same time listening to "t=FAdo = na=20 >mais santa paz" by Toquinho e Vinicius - great interactive remix! ;-) >Is this VStudio thing your story? Can you tell us more about it? Sorry = if I=20 >missed the introduction here, just tell me so then... Rainer mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for = www.furthernoise.org=20 and works at www.transformlearning.com=20 ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 14068 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com for free now! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 29 18:46:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D4BF3BFAD; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 18:46:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <06a401c5dcb9$1568b010$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: format c: /Q /FS:NTFS Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:46:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_06A1_01C5DC86.C9C44A20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.300000 URL contains username and (optional) password=1.3,Possible url forgery/scam=2.0 X-UrlForgery: (http://www.krispenhartung.com) (http://www.krispenhartung.com<) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 366, in=165668, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 18:46:38 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_06A1_01C5DC86.C9C44A20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh, the beauty of a blank slate....reformatting my music notebook drive = now...oh was a liberating feeling, purging the system of all that crap = and experimental software I loaded....rebirth with the essentials: VST = host, VST programs, limited audio software, a few other minor = essentials. Ahhhhhhhhhhh...... :) Krispen Hartung Improvisational Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_06A1_01C5DC86.C9C44A20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Oh, the beauty of a blank = slate....reformatting my=20 music notebook drive now...oh was a liberating feeling, purging the = system of=20 all that crap and experimental software I loaded....rebirth with the = essentials:=20 VST host, VST programs, limited audio software, a few other minor = essentials.=20 Ahhhhhhhhhhh......
     
    :)
     
     
    Krispen Hartung
    Improvisational = Looping=20 Guitarist
    http://www.krispenhartung.com<= BR>info@krispenhartung.com
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    ------=_NextPart_000_06A1_01C5DC86.C9C44A20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 29 19:42:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5A243BFBA; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 19:42:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.34) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 29 Oct 2005 19:42:05 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:42:05 -0500 Subject: Re: Bernhard Wagner/Joe Rut duet X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20051029194205.D9E4BC612E@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 19:42:10 +0000 (UTC) Hmmmmmm- I just checked it in Safari and Internet Explorer and it worked fine. Mayb= e the server was down at the time? What browser are you using? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Bernhard Wagner/Joe Rut duet Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:24:12 EDT >=20 > Hi all! >=20 > In a message dated 10/28/05 8:50:06 PM, khartung@cableone.net writes: >=20 > > http://www.joerut.com/music.html > > > I just tried to go to your link and got the following: >=20 > "Not Found > The requested URL /music.html/ was not found on this server" >=20 > Is there something I am doing wrong? >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > tEd =AE kiLLiAn >=20 > "Different is not always better, but better is always different" >=20 > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 >=20 > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 29 20:23:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D276F3BFBF; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:23:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20051029124541.04a56740@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:23:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP preset secret??? In-Reply-To: <003201c5dc70$f703b3b0$5a01a8c0@mark> References: <003201c5dc70$f703b3b0$5a01a8c0@mark> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <0dJ-UC.A.qdF.9o9YDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:23:26 +0000 (UTC) At 03:10 AM 10/29/2005, mark francombe wrote: >I suppose eveyone knows that pressing (and holding) insert before you >make a loop, is a nifty way of changing presets??? Ive been using it for >ages, but Im not sure where I learned it from, I don't think i found it in >the book. But is there a simelar way of changing presets DURING loop play? >I know I can change 'em via midi, but I like the "scrolling" method of the >INSERT trick. Maybe an UP/DOWN combo would be good? Currently I "do it >with my fingers"! It's not a secret, that is in the manual. In reset, the Insert button scrolls down in presets, and the Mute button scrolls up. You don't have to hold it, you just press it until you get to the preset you want. When you leave it for a moment, it will switch to that preset. In play mode (after you have recorded a loop), if you want to change presets from the front panel you have to go into the Parameter editing to the Presets section, where you can load in a different preset. It is much easier to change presets with midi of course, where a program change message will do it at any time. The front panel way isn't that great really, we were just re-using some buttons that otherwise were not used at that time. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 29 20:34:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C45933BFC8; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:34:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20051029132554.053cae30@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:34:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Settings for Using Subsitute and Quantize by 8th Notes In-Reply-To: <4362C93B.2000404@Hevanet.com> References: <20051028202514.20B4A3BF9F@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051028221938.02d64140@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <4362C93B.2000404@Hevanet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:34:56 +0000 (UTC) At 05:58 PM 10/28/2005, .David.Auker. wrote: >8th notes in EDP...is there a default for tempo, so 7+ seconds gives the >equivelent of a couple measures in 4/4 or 3/4 or _/4? What's the math? the 8ths/cycle parameter lets you set the time signature that the EDP will follow. A "cycle" is the basic loop time element set when you first record your loop. So this parameter tells the Echoplex how many 8th notes that one cycle length contains. There are plenty of options for 8th/cycle to cover just about any time signature. We put the more obvious ones first for editing convenience. So when you edit this parameter you have 8, 4, 2, 6, 12, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, and then 1 through 54. When you use quantize=8th, the quantizing will be to wherever these 8th boundaries are in the cycle. Also for sync, this parameter tells the Echoplex how to determine the loop length based on incoming MIDI clock tempo when Sync=in, or what tempo clock to send out based on the loop length when sync=out. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 29 21:33:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74A5B3BFBF; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 21:33:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:33:16 EDT Subject: Re: Bernhard Wagner/Joe Rut duet To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ce.7401ffdb.3095449c_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 21:33:22 +0000 (UTC) --part1_ce.7401ffdb.3095449c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Joe, In a message dated 10/29/05 12:42:29 PM, joerut@lycos.com writes: > What browser are you using? >=20 Safari as well (being a Mac guy). I eventually got there by truncating=20 http://www.joerut.com/music.html to just http://www.joerut.com and navigated there via links on your site. I liked what I heard there very much by the way. Perhaps I'll comment=20 later if I get a little time. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_ce.7401ffdb.3095449c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Joe,

    In a message dated 10/29/05 12:42:29 PM, joerut@lycos.com writes:

    What browser are you=20= using?

    Safari as well (being a Mac guy). I eventually got there by truncating
    http://www.joerut.com/music.html to just http://www.joerut.com<= FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" FACE=3D"Geneva" FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" SIZE=3D"2">
    and navigated there via links on your site.

    I liked what I heard there very much by the way. Perhaps I'll comment
    later if I get a little time.

    Best regards,

    tEd =AE kiLLiAn

    "Different is not always better, but better is always different"

    http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
    http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
    http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
    http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
    http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
    http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
    http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

    Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
    BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
    AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
    RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
    and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
     --part1_ce.7401ffdb.3095449c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Oct 29 21:38:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 369F93BFBF; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 21:38:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4363EC35.70105@Hevanet.com> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:40:05 -0700 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Settings for Using Subsitute and Quantize by 8th Notes References: <20051028202514.20B4A3BF9F@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051028221938.02d64140@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <4362C93B.2000404@Hevanet.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20051029132554.053cae30@loopers-delight.com> In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20051029132554.053cae30@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 21:38:44 +0000 (UTC) Kim Flint wrote: > At 05:58 PM 10/28/2005, .David.Auker. wrote: > >> 8th notes in EDP...is there a default for tempo, so 7+ seconds gives >> the equivelent of a couple measures in 4/4 or 3/4 or _/4? What's the >> math? > > > the 8ths/cycle parameter lets you set the time signature that the EDP > will follow. A "cycle" is the basic loop time element set when you > first record your loop. So this parameter tells the Echoplex how many > 8th notes that one cycle length contains. There are plenty of options > for 8th/cycle to cover just about any time signature. We put the more > obvious ones first for editing convenience. So when you edit this > parameter you have 8, 4, 2, 6, 12, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, and then 1 > through 54. > > When you use quantize=8th, the quantizing will be to wherever these > 8th boundaries are in the cycle. Thanks, Kim...all I can say is, "opens new and wild doors..." :-) .David. > > Also for sync, this parameter tells the Echoplex how to determine the > loop length based on incoming MIDI clock tempo when Sync=in, or what > tempo clock to send out based on the loop length when sync=out. > > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 30 02:27:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9A553BFBA; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 02:27:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=DJt/uhJVCEIwMTnfDchZ1CdHsFL8lc76btMKXlkELtyyHtjtb09NUl8eHcLk+qrfxEPVw/42btxaeCPXa/zXa/lawZNJ3CcG5jbIKAhvHfwBld7q5JxgEvxmQd/yxoQC8O3/wADZiAAaKb77rby7RfeI1VSaM3wpnJtTJ8nOc+8= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 21:27:09 -0500 From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Digitech Jam Man MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 02:27:10 +0000 (UTC) Just checked the archives of the list and the last discussion about this box was in July...has anyone bought one of these yet and had a chance to experiment with it? Thanks! Dennis Moser From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 30 05:58:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C84D3BF98; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 05:58:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 01:56:21 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Digitech Jam Man In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 05:58:44 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, 29 Oct 2005, Dennis Moser wrote: > Just checked the archives of the list and the last discussion about > this box was in July...has anyone bought one of these yet and had a > chance to experiment with it? > > Thanks! > > Dennis Moser I posted this comparison of my Digitech Jamman to the Boss RC-20 LoopStation (non-XL version) to this list in mid-September. http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200509/msg00412.html regards, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 30 06:09:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9A4B3BFBF; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 06:09:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=P/ymA1kzzU5YixnsB1xRLBaPCFQE7FH2tyrgqffDKwyaPb6BQ3RBg+rbhcUd/T9dJJMZqXYZCH5VLuUTybczIHgRXS3LtzQ1fsOL0S1Vi1pwc6awjfOPmyccWq3il716i4UIEmvR1kTLbgdob96QlniVTrmYJab1eOftwGKbctE= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 23:09:30 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech Jam Man In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 06:09:31 +0000 (UTC) I think you may have been searching on "jam man" instead of "jamman", which will give you bunch of recent hits. On 10/29/05, Dennis Moser wrote: > Just checked the archives of the list and the last discussion about > this box was in July...has anyone bought one of these yet and had a > chance to experiment with it? > > Thanks! > > Dennis Moser > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 30 08:06:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 412803BFAD; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:06:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <36BFD3B3-46BE-4E8C-87D1-CE07170773C9@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Digitech Jam Man Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:06:17 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:06:22 +0000 (UTC) On Oct 30, 2005, at 3:27, Dennis Moser wrote: > Just checked the archives of the list and the last discussion about > this box was in July...has anyone bought one of these yet and had a > chance to experiment with it? > > Thanks! > > Dennis Moser I have one by me fore while to test it for reviewing in a mag. I just briefly plugged in an hour yesterday and need more time with the device before I can judge it. I will get that time in exactly one week from today. But the first impression I got is that the Jam Man is not addressing people that want to PLAY looping music as much as it addresses people that want to rehearse technical playing skills over a background. ings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 30 08:47:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B005F3BFBE; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:47:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002c01c5dd2e$4af484a0$1e9ffe91@inap> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: Cc: , Subject: Wow! Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:41:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C5DD36.21C8AFE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Resent-Message-ID: <1fCBp.A.86D.TiIZDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:47:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C5DD36.21C8AFE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, =20 my new album gets reviewed for the first time. I thought you might want = to read this: http://www.bladezone.com/ Scroll down, and you=B4ll run across it. 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    ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C5DD36.21C8AFE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 30 10:43:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1CD73BF87; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 10:43:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051030101810.02db7230@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 10:23:38 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: EDP preset secret??? In-Reply-To: <20051030080622.B31C13BFBB@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051030080622.B31C13BFBB@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 10:43:54 +0000 (UTC) At 08:06 30/10/05, you wrote: >In reset, the Insert button scrolls down in presets, and the Mute >button scrolls up. You don't have to hold it, you just press it >until you get to the preset you want. When you leave it for a >moment, it will switch to that preset. ...and a single press of Insert or Mute will show you the last loaded preset in the display, without changing anything. To reload the last preset (for instance, if you tried some parameter edits then didn't want to keep them) you can learn a quick 3 button sequence. Insert>Insert>Mute Kind of obvious, but a useful trick to learn. ...and thanks to Matthias for pointing this out when I complained there was no quick way to reload the current preset. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 30 11:32:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23C443BFAD; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:32:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4364B01F.1000208@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 06:35:59 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Galactic Travels Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup , WDIY Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #449 for October 27, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:32:44 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/051027.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #449 October 27, 2005 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Remote Spaces. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Project Ypsilon" with Odyssey. Remote Spaces - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#oct PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Robert Rich Nesting on Cliffsides Bestiary (Release) Robert Rich Dante's Anthropormor- Bestiary (Release) phic Zoo Robert Rich Bestiary Bestiary (Release) Andreas Akwara Parts I & II Synthetic Horizon (Groove) John Lakveet Fractal Clouds Proportions (Groove) Stephen Parsick Der Tod Hoellenengel (doombient) Stephen Parsick Der Prinz Hoellenengel (doombient) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Remote Spaces & Odyssey in-thro-duction Project Ypsilon (none) Remote Spaces & Odyssey sequence space Project Ypsilon (none) Remote Spaces & Odyssey busy city Project Ypsilon (none) Remote Spaces & Odyssey morning rush Project Ypsilon (none) Remote Spaces & Odyssey ypsilon Project Ypsilon (none) Remote Spaces & Odyssey experience Project Ypsilon (none) Remote Spaces & Odyssey ambiente * Project Ypsilon (none) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on Lambert. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Inside Out" on Spheric Music. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Allez-Teia" by Heldon on Disjuncta Records and released in 1975. Bill =============================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST/GMT-5:00 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Service Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 30 11:57:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 274053BFC2; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:57:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002b01c5dd49$1c391020$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "mark francombe" To: Subject: Re: EDP preset secret??? Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 12:57:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C5DD51.7DD02690" X-Unsent: 1 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:57:36 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C5DD51.7DD02690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable AHha! INSERT scrolls presets down and MUTE scrolls UP,?? cool! i didnt discover mute it cos I never use mute so I didnt have it = programed anywhere.. i didnt really want to use midi to change presets = cos i guess I have to specify a different pedal PER preset.. or is there = an up/DOWN thing too.. that would be just dandy! (off to the big book) and I dont find changing presets on the fron too bad.. I have the "key = combination" down.. even in the dark.. 2hits on leftmost button (param) = 1 hit on rightmost ..up down thru presets on orange lights and hit green = to GO!!! I can do it in less than a second...! =20 mark It's not a secret, that is in the manual. In reset, the Insert button=20 scrolls down in presets, and the Mute button scrolls up. You don't have = to=20 hold it, you just press it until you get to the preset you want. When = you=20 leave it for a moment, it will switch to that preset. In play mode (after you have recorded a loop), if you want to change=20 presets from the front panel you have to go into the Parameter editing = to=20 the Presets section, where you can load in a different preset. It is much easier to change presets with midi of course, where a program = change message will do it at any time. The front panel way isn't that = great=20 really, we were just re-using some buttons that otherwise were not used = at=20 that time. kim At 03:10 AM 10/29/2005, mark francombe wrote: >I suppose eveyone knows that pressing (and holding) insert before you=20 >make a loop, is a nifty way of changing presets??? Ive been using it = for=20 >ages, but Im not sure where I learned it from, I don't think i found it = in=20 >the book. But is there a simelar way of changing presets DURING loop = play?=20 >I know I can change 'em via midi, but I like the "scrolling" method of = the=20 >INSERT trick. Maybe an UP/DOWN combo would be good? Currently I "do it = >with my fingers"! mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com he writes for = www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C5DD51.7DD02690 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    AHha!
     
    INSERT scrolls presets down and MUTE scrolls UP,?? = cool!
    i didnt discover mute it cos I never use = mute so I=20 didnt have it programed anywhere.. i didnt really want to use midi = to=20 change presets cos i guess I have to specify a different pedal PER = preset.. or=20 is there an up/DOWN thing too.. that would be just dandy! (off to the = big=20 book)
     
    and I dont find changing presets on the fron too = bad.. I have=20 the "key combination" down.. even in the dark.. 2hits on leftmost =  button=20 (param) 1 hit on rightmost ..up down thru presets on orange lights and = hit green=20 to GO!!!
    I can do it in less than a second...! =20
     
    mark


    It's not a secret, that is in the manual. In reset, the = Insert=20 button
    scrolls down in presets, and the Mute button scrolls up. You = don't=20 have to
    hold it, you just press it until you get to the preset you = want.=20 When you
    leave it for a moment, it will switch to that = preset.

    In=20 play mode (after you have recorded a loop), if you want to change =
    presets=20 from the front panel you have to go into the Parameter editing to =
    the=20 Presets section, where you can load in a different preset.

    It is = much=20 easier to change presets with midi of course, where a program
    change = message=20 will do it at any time. The front panel way isn't that great
    really, = we were=20 just re-using some buttons that otherwise were not used at
    that=20 time.

    kim

    At 03:10 AM=20 10/29/2005, mark francombe wrote:
    >I suppose eveyone knows that = pressing=20 (and holding) insert  before you
    >make a loop, is a nifty = way of=20 changing presets??? Ive been using it for
    >ages, but Im not sure = where I=20 learned it from, I don't think i found it in
    >the book. But is = there a=20 simelar way of changing presets DURING loop play?
    >I know I can = change=20 'em via midi, but I like the "scrolling" method of the
    >INSERT = trick.=20 Maybe an UP/DOWN combo would be good? Currently I  "do it =
    >with my=20 fingers"!
    mark francombe
    marks website is at = www.markfrancombe.com he = writes for www.furthernoise.org and works = at www.transformlearning.com

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    ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C5DD51.7DD02690-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 30 13:04:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D1833BFC6; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:04:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4364C5A7.4020103@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:07:51 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Wow! References: <002c01c5dd2e$4af484a0$1e9ffe91@inap> In-Reply-To: <002c01c5dd2e$4af484a0$1e9ffe91@inap> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:04:30 +0000 (UTC) Wavecomputer360 wrote: > my new album gets reviewed for the first time. I thought you might > want to read this: > http://www.bladezone.com/ > Scroll down, and you´ll run across it. > Matt Howarth seems to like it, too: > http://www.soniccuriosity.com/sc224.htm > Thanks for sharing your enthusiasm with me (or right the other way > round) 8-). Nice review on Matt's site. I couldn't see the Bladezone review - flash seems to have broken on my computer. I certainly haven't run out of memory as it suggests! Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 30 14:52:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 230623BFC3; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:52:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=sprintmail.com; b=gOxXdfJovljJqjCeTeMlxjXt38sKZi7kCGFNsENhheg3dUcmXi1veUcAIjxJs582; h=Received:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Content-Type:To:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1CE036C4-1CD6-4D9A-BE70-50D05BC96236@sprintmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig spam [Washington state] Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 06:52:30 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-ELNK-Trace: 86a6669cc0c295031c0d99aadad889b544085b9606502ed969743601b2d426e8ceefc9824b3e021d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.91.62.52 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:52:34 +0000 (UTC) Three acoustic guitar live looping shows this week: Wednesday, November 2, 6-9PM Tutta Bella (4918 Rainier Ave. S. on the corner of Rainer & S.Hudson, Seattle) Somewhere new for me, a restaurant that features live music. In the musician guidelines they mail to performers, one of the rules is "No Moondance (we're serious)". Thursday, November 3, 9:30PM Fire and Earth (322 4th Ave E, Olympia) I was supposed to play there last week, but was rescheduled in favor of a two jug-band bill. Apparently they love their jug band music at the state capitol. Friday, November 4, 7-9PM Kickstand Cafe (Tacoma) David Bavas and I will be sharing the evening with a set of his material and one of my stuff at this Tacoma caffeine dispensary. Be seeing you. Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 30 15:00:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1E7E3BFCD; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 15:00:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4364E0D6.6000700@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 10:03:50 -0500 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Galactic Travels Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup , WDIY Subject: Galactic Travels Monthly Top 20 Report for October, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4gEZSD.A.YOH.SAOZDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 15:00:34 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/top20oct.html WDIY 88.1 FM "Galactic Travels" Top 20 for October, 2005. Shows #446 to #449; 6-October-2005 to 27-October-2005 Reported in non-ranked, alphanumeric order. Compiled by Bill Fox website: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL =========================================================== Andreas Akwara - Synthetic Horizon - Groove Arc - Blaze - DiN Boddy & Wosteinrich - Moire - DiN Gert Emmens - When Darkness Falls Upon the Earth - Groove Igneous Flame - SATU - Chillfactor 10 John Lakveet - Proportions - Groove Mark Jenkins - Moog Meditations - AMP Otso Pakarinen - Tunti Sitten - Visual Power Parallel Worlds - Existence - Rubber Records Polaris - Re:Transmission - none Remote Spaces - ambientalnie - none Remote Spaces - elektronicznia - none Remote Spaces - Silos - none Remote Spaces & Odyssey - Project Ypsilon - none Robert Rich - Bestiary - Release Stephen Parsick - Hoellenengel - doombient Team Metlay - Beneath Stars - Atomic City Various Artists - E-dition #9 - Groove Various Artists - Left Coast Liquid Vol. 1 - Native Static Various Artists - Sequences #30 - EMMA Bill =============================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST/GMT-5:00 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Service Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 30 15:17:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B74343BFAD; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 15:17:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=sprintmail.com; b=R94o/sp0khtd3fS6C3zv13vFn9ydbSJbGIDq8hrPfxtWBMvhtUN0B2ocovyJ4GxZ; h=Received:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Content-Type:To:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Whence Stuart Wyatt? Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:17:12 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-ELNK-Trace: 86a6669cc0c295031c0d99aadad889b544085b9606502ed9b4816036ff396aa4a90984fae2ffc285350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.91.62.52 Resent-Message-ID: <-2XEn.A.-vH.8POZDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 15:17:16 +0000 (UTC) Anyone know what Stuart Wyatt's up to these days? He's a electric violinist who used to loop on the streets in Paris a few years back, but his website seems to have gone away. TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 30 16:48:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8C343BFCA; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 16:48:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=qDw6ypjFr91mEYAqMPuEerjRRwS7F4wvMRQPd218LapOF8tVvw94DpYazDxLxwnQAU2obkpFkJoLHbJUNTSAutzwBCWF8jMZbG7mj2JirFET0F7B6jdStd3IXuyW2IyAXoWYJ+ZmBvkeH6rdVMxtgb6A9Eqn2q7S+D/LqpUZBE8= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 09:48:48 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: SKB case for Behringer FCB? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 16:48:50 +0000 (UTC) Anyone know if the SKB small controller case will fit the Behringer MIDI pedal? The external depth is listed as 9", which looks like it might be a shade too small depending on the interior layout. TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 30 17:45:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96BD13BFCA; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 17:45:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=d/7+IVbI9YDdUZ1LKamsMhd7cQX0hfcAmUVv4g2leNggM9yJI1bMh/pc+Xfm1hAxomZabIkXnXBazofVeaJYydaDf7jz7rS54ycs3dfOt0NSV8lLMCWD+steMW0f0BJ+JeTDxm1c+UTu6JfreLYF+O0pbAtNiHZP7OH+63Rwss0= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:45:03 -0600 From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech Jam Man In-Reply-To: <36BFD3B3-46BE-4E8C-87D1-CE07170773C9@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <36BFD3B3-46BE-4E8C-87D1-CE07170773C9@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 17:45:05 +0000 (UTC) Well, I've read through everything I could find in the archives (searching both "Jamman" and "Jam Man"), but nothing to indicate that anyone has looked at what I am trying to research on this box. The discussion about the perceived market for this device are revealing: the traditional loopers tools are, by comparison, pricey, a little antiquated, and have limited storage capacity, due to the existing technology (now, don't jump on me...I own a Lexicon Vortex and have two more coming). One area where this box seems to be able to do a good job is allowing a performer to load up looops in advance, take them in to a performance and play "against" them. And therein lie my questions: has anyone tried hacking the XML files that the box generates with each WAV file that together comprise your loop? The XML files contain parameters such as rhythm and time...and since these can be edited with a text editor such as BBEdit, I'm trying to understand if I can perform a kind of "post-loooping" hack on them. I have, in the first 24 hours with this box, already done this with the WAV file, taking a simple guitar riff, running it through a bit of software to reverse it, saved it back as a now-reversed loop and had it run just fine on the box. (Actually did it in the first 15 minutes with it out of the box!) And as I sit here, listening to Steve Roach's "Structures from Silence", I'm sure I'm asking for trouble from this sage group! Dennis Moser The next goal is to see if I can now control other parameters stored inthe XML files... On 10/30/05, Per Boysen wrote: > On Oct 30, 2005, at 3:27, Dennis Moser wrote: > > > Just checked the archives of the list and the last discussion about > > this box was in July...has anyone bought one of these yet and had a > > chance to experiment with it? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Dennis Moser > > > I have one by me fore while to test it for reviewing in a mag. I just > briefly plugged in an hour yesterday and need more time with the > device before I can judge it. I will get that time in exactly one > week from today. But the first impression I got is that the Jam Man > is not addressing people that want to PLAY looping music as much as > it addresses people that want to rehearse technical playing skills > over a background. > > ings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 30 17:53:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 100853BFCD; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 17:53:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,267,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="1731042400:sNHT19886128" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: <36BFD3B3-46BE-4E8C-87D1-CE07170773C9@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: Digitech Jam Man Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:53:23 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: <3fzrkD.A.yMF.WiQZDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 17:53:26 +0000 (UTC) What an interesting idea! I wonder if DigiTech wouldn't just give you the file structure -- it adds value to the box, after all. You could use the thing like a weird little sampler... If you figure this out, don't keep it a secret. On Oct 30, 2005, at 11:45 AM, Dennis Moser wrote: > Well, I've read through everything I could find in the archives > (searching both "Jamman" and "Jam Man"), but nothing to indicate that > anyone has looked at what I am trying to research on this box. > > The discussion about the perceived market for this device are > revealing: the traditional loopers tools are, by comparison, pricey, a > little antiquated, and have limited storage capacity, due to the > existing technology (now, don't jump on me...I own a Lexicon Vortex > and have two more coming). One area where this box seems to be able to > do a good job is allowing a performer to load up looops in advance, > take them in to a performance and play "against" them. > > And therein lie my questions: has anyone tried hacking the XML files > that the box generates with each WAV file that together comprise your > loop? The XML files contain parameters such as rhythm and time...and > since these can be edited with a text editor such as BBEdit, I'm > trying to understand if I can perform a kind of "post-loooping" hack > on them. I have, in the first 24 hours with this box, already done > this with the WAV file, taking a simple guitar riff, running it > through a bit of software to reverse it, saved it back as a > now-reversed loop and had it run just fine on the box. (Actually did > it in the first 15 minutes with it out of the box!) > > And as I sit here, listening to Steve Roach's "Structures from > Silence", I'm sure I'm asking for trouble from this sage group! > > Dennis Moser > > The next goal is to see if I can now control other parameters stored > inthe XML files... > > On 10/30/05, Per Boysen wrote: > >> On Oct 30, 2005, at 3:27, Dennis Moser wrote: >> >> >>> Just checked the archives of the list and the last discussion about >>> this box was in July...has anyone bought one of these yet and had a >>> chance to experiment with it? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Dennis Moser >>> >> >> >> I have one by me fore while to test it for reviewing in a mag. I just >> briefly plugged in an hour yesterday and need more time with the >> device before I can judge it. I will get that time in exactly one >> week from today. But the first impression I got is that the Jam Man >> is not addressing people that want to PLAY looping music as much as >> it addresses people that want to rehearse technical playing skills >> over a background. >> >> ings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.looproom.com (international) >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) >> www.cdbaby.com/perboysen >> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 30 18:49:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07EE23BED8; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 18:49:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Cc: "Markus Reuter" Subject: RE: Michael Peters interface modes Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:49:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcXdgqHNLkjwygGtS1eR8XgssArknA== X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:49:42 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.103.110 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <20051030184957.7C2A33BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 18:49:58 +0000 (UTC) Andy said, > Markus was a loop4 beta tester, so there's every chance you now have a beta version. > In which case, Markus probably has an unused set of LoopIV 1.1 chips which he really ought to send you :-) Markus sent me a box of chips ... I finally put them in ... but the version number displayed on boot isn't "Loop IV 1.1" but "Loop 3 5.0". And the new insert modes aren't displayed. And putting a feedback pedal in doesn't change anything. Ack! Seems I still have an old version. "Loop3" sounds like an old version although "5.0" sounds "new" but I guess this is a subversion number or something. Is there a listing of the EDP versions that exist, and their features? Markus - I still have your EDP and you have mine - which version does my EDP show? I think it also says "Loop 3 5.0". Kim - I seem to remember that I ordered the newest version when it came out quite a while ago - do you have records of that? maybe I actually missed the latest version. -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 30 21:40:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 110DD3BEDB; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:40:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=qQplfIFq+5nQndCr6eRildRBqGUQxu9vIvj1GuyzsqSDBXixZ5GyLkZ07L9t5gg/XhQUwfOlDCj1R1d8qZ4vCv2wWEa3F/7RgZ9TTdz3fOmq/DrdInUUFMg4ZAtAhHghpTU6kd1CKFdMxDS0vhetUBXnB7tcGSR+rw+WTYxrC6w= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:40:36 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Programming the Behringer FCB1010 for Echoplex use, a quick guide MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:40:37 +0000 (UTC) I just spent a few hours with the Behringer trying to program it to work with my EDP. I found the FCB manual to be confusing, and a quick search of the archives here didn't turn up what I was looking for, so for the aid of anyone else trying to program the damn thing by hand, here's a very brief, very quick guide. If there's interest, I'll update this with suggestions or corrections. TravisH **************** 1. Turn on the Behringer FCB1010 and the Echoplex. Connect the MIDI out jack to the MIDI In jack on the Echoplex. Make sure the EDP MIDI Control Source parameter is set to "not" (for "note") and that both devices are set to the same MIDI channel. 2. Select the bank and patch you wish to edit with the UP and DOWN buttons. 3. Enter Edit mode by pressing the DOWN button for 3 seconds, or until the two-digit bank indicator goes off and the first green LED under Preset Configuration starts blinking. 4. Press the UP/Enter button. 5. Some the program button LEDs may now be lit, depending on what's already been stored in the patch either at the factory or by you or whoever you bought the FCB from. You want to clear all that out so that you're not sending a bunch of unwanted MIDI data. Often, the 1, 8 and 9 buttons will be "on" in a factory preset. You want to turn those off, so hold down each button until the LED turns off. This takes about two seconds. 6. Once all the program button LEDs are off, hold down the 0 button until its LED comes on. This indicates that you're going to be editing the MIDI note which is going to be sent by this patch. 7. Press the 0 button again. Its LED should now be blinking. 8. Press the UP/Enter button. The Select LED should turn off, the Number LED should turn on and the two-digit display should now be on and displaying "00" with the second "0" flashing. 9. Now you can enter the MIDI note number that you want transmitted.=20 For example, the Record function is triggered by a note number of 38.=20 Use the program buttons (the 0-9 buttons) to enter the note value. 10. When you've got the desired note value showing on the three-digit display, press the UP/Enter button. The three-digit display will turn off, the 0 button LED will go to steady on, the Number LED will go off, and the Select LED will go steady on. 11. If you're finished editing that patch, hold down the DOWN button for three seconds or until three-digit display comes back on displaying the current bank. At that point, you're in the "ready to use" mode, and if you press the patch button you've just edited you should see the EDP respond in the desired manner. The note values for the EFC-7 button equivalents are as follows: 38=09RecordButton=09 39=09OverdubButton=09 40=09MultiplyButton=09=09 41=09InsertButton=09 42=09MuteButton=09 43=09UndoButton=09 44=09NextButton=09 For a more complete list of all the available MIDI commands, refer to the manual or the spreadsheet here:=20 http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/PLEX_MIDI_COMMANDS.zip From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 30 21:47:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F78B3BEE6; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:47:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HHsobf8sRUdVTsg2gfWzjhDn6AHLqjRtIbVpFe8gEFTtNXhiC3VmMMFFp0xBS83tia1k6DQeK2ScoDbkOwqsdJKb1NDLiEcm/J4ML5BNJdyW5skWS/o16CPz/sEISVRoNaaV31Bksg1X+qECSAvDlVay4hC4Y2A7uicPDi8pobI= Message-ID: <353e2ed80510301347v3191262fib883bf5a9c6e49c2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:47:06 +0000 From: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Programming the Behringer FCB1010 for Echoplex use, a quick guide In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:47:08 +0000 (UTC) On 10/30/05, Travis Hartnett wrote: > I just spent a few hours with the Behringer trying to program it to > work with my EDP. I found the FCB manual to be confusing, and a quick > search of the archives here didn't turn up what I was looking for, so > for the aid of anyone else trying to program the damn thing by hand, > here's a very brief, very quick guide. If there's interest, I'll > update this with suggestions or corrections. [snip] Oh thank you for taking the time to do this, and yes please update as and w= hen. I confess I've held off buying an FCB for this role because it all looked too damned hard. I was hoping someone with a less fried brain than mine would come along and upload a simple step by step guide. Thank you. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 30 21:54:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 012B03BEE7; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:54:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=SXpp1m7Xu92ISIwS/3rV+Wcbi12RjbmDf3ZgcwHVxoANiqlakg4sa5AUiquyPpnihGCMSdWAflVxCCKc+KBByfG3UhtntEu2yjIX5vPXtxdPgO/WXsPbPW5YGA8X6paKo2IGPCPxYQ8qArjikWaUZzUMOkyc9JSdfJTbZznQDKQ= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:54:07 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Programming the Behringer FCB1010 for Echoplex use, a quick guide In-Reply-To: <353e2ed80510301347v3191262fib883bf5a9c6e49c2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <353e2ed80510301347v3191262fib883bf5a9c6e49c2@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:54:08 +0000 (UTC) Hope it's of use. Again, if anyone has any specific EDP/Behringer related questions, let me know and I'll see if I can add it in. After a few months it should be a pretty usable document with outside input. TravisH On 10/30/05, David Morton wrote: > On 10/30/05, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > I just spent a few hours with the Behringer trying to program it to > > work with my EDP. I found the FCB manual to be confusing, and a quick > > search of the archives here didn't turn up what I was looking for, so > > for the aid of anyone else trying to program the damn thing by hand, > > here's a very brief, very quick guide. If there's interest, I'll > > update this with suggestions or corrections. > [snip] > > Oh thank you for taking the time to do this, and yes please update as and= when. > > I confess I've held off buying an FCB for this role because it all > looked too damned hard. I was hoping someone with a less fried brain > than mine would come along and upload a simple step by step guide. > Thank you. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 30 22:37:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FFFB3BEE8; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:37:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43654B5C.4030408@Hevanet.com> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:38:20 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Programming the Behringer FCB1010 for Echoplex use, a quick guide References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:37:01 +0000 (UTC) Travis, Good one...I've found that FCB programming gets easier each time, like anything repeated/looped, I guess. In addition to your Preset info, here's the Global programming info, as that's where you go to put in the MIDI channel for the Presets to transmit on. (I'm currently in a mini-dilemma: I am using both Expression Pedals for Repeater, and will have to decide if I want to omit/move some so I can use one for Feedback and Volume control on the EDP.) .David. **************** Global Programming Procedure: 1. Press the DOWN button for 2-3 seconds while powering up the FCB1010. Now you’re in global configuration mode. The direct select LED will light up. 2. Press the ENTER/UP button once. The midi function LED will flash. 3. Select the function you would like to change (button 1-10). The red LED on this button will start to flash now. You can read the current MIDI channel for this function in the display now. 4. If you want to change this MIDI channel, press the ENTER/UP button to confirm the selection. 5. Now you can change the MIDI channel number for the function you’ve selected using the number Keys. 6. Press the ENTER/UP button to confirm. If you would like to change more MIDI channels, press the ENTER/UP button several times, until the green MIDI FUNCTION LED is flashing again, and follow the same procedure. Once you’ve adjusted all MIDI channels, press the DOWN button 2-3 seconds to leave the global configuration mode. NOTE: The functions and channels you’ve selected in the global configuration, are defined for ALL PRESETS! So it is not possible to send expression pedal A in preset 1 to MIDI channel 1, and in preset 2 to MIDI channel 2, etc. Advantage: You have a clear assignment for each MIDI command to the device controlled. ]]]] Each preset can control: • 2 relay contacts • 5 program changes (1-5) • 2 control changes (6-7) • 2 continuous controllers on the expression pedals (8-9) • 1 MIDI note (10) Make sure you’ve first setup the global configuration correct, before you start programming your presets. **************** ========================================== Travis Hartnett wrote: >I just spent a few hours with the Behringer trying to program it to >work with my EDP. I found the FCB manual to be confusing, and a quick >search of the archives here didn't turn up what I was looking for, so >for the aid of anyone else trying to program the damn thing by hand, >here's a very brief, very quick guide. If there's interest, I'll >update this with suggestions or corrections. > >TravisH > >**************** > >1. Turn on the Behringer FCB1010 and the Echoplex. Connect the MIDI >out jack to the MIDI In jack on the Echoplex. Make sure the EDP MIDI >Control Source parameter is set to "not" (for "note") and that both >devices are set to the same MIDI channel. > >2. Select the bank and patch you wish to edit with the UP and DOWN buttons. > >3. Enter Edit mode by pressing the DOWN button for 3 seconds, or until >the two-digit bank indicator goes off and the first green LED under >Preset Configuration starts blinking. > >4. Press the UP/Enter button. > >5. Some the program button LEDs may now be lit, depending on what's >already been stored in the patch either at the factory or by you or >whoever you bought the FCB from. You want to clear all that out so >that you're not sending a bunch of unwanted MIDI data. Often, the 1, >8 and 9 buttons will be "on" in a factory preset. You want to turn >those off, so hold down each button until the LED turns off. This >takes about two seconds. > >6. Once all the program button LEDs are off, hold down the 0 button >until its LED comes on. This indicates that you're going to be >editing the MIDI note which is going to be sent by this patch. > >7. Press the 0 button again. Its LED should now be blinking. > >8. Press the UP/Enter button. The Select LED should turn off, the >Number LED should turn on and the two-digit display should now be on >and displaying "00" with the second "0" flashing. > >9. Now you can enter the MIDI note number that you want transmitted. >For example, the Record function is triggered by a note number of 38. >Use the program buttons (the 0-9 buttons) to enter the note value. > >10. When you've got the desired note value showing on the three-digit >display, press the UP/Enter button. The three-digit display will turn >off, the 0 button LED will go to steady on, the Number LED will go >off, and the Select LED will go steady on. > >11. If you're finished editing that patch, hold down the DOWN button >for three seconds or until three-digit display comes back on >displaying the current bank. At that point, you're in the "ready to >use" mode, and if you press the patch button you've just edited you >should see the EDP respond in the desired manner. > >The note values for the EFC-7 button equivalents are as follows: > >38 RecordButton >39 OverdubButton >40 MultiplyButton >41 InsertButton >42 MuteButton >43 UndoButton >44 NextButton > >For a more complete list of all the available MIDI commands, refer to >the manual or the spreadsheet here: >http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/PLEX_MIDI_COMMANDS.zip > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 30 22:45:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9746A3BEF3; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:45:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43654D6E.9080903@Hevanet.com> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:47:10 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Settings for Using Subsitute and Quantize by 8th Notes References: <20051028202514.20B4A3BF9F@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20051028221938.02d64140@pop.tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051028221938.02d64140@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9p4wg.A.3OD.a0UZDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:45:46 +0000 (UTC) Andy, et al: Should we be avoiding Substitute in MIDI control altogether? I know Andy says "Direct MIDI" below, and that's SUSSubstitute (Note A#, 22) but there's also "MIDI button" SubstituteButton (Note A#, 10). > You need to set > InsertMode = Sub > and use Insert for the substitutes. > The Direct MIDI substitute doesn't have the "bugfix" behaviour, > so if you release the Subst before it starts the EDP will just go > permanently > into Substitute (and erase the loop). > > Quantise = 8th > 8th/cycle = 8 (or whatever) .David. "Button, button, who has the button?" a k butler wrote: > >> I set my quantize to 8th notes, but I need to know what Switches and >> Timing parameter settings to use to get the following to work right: >> Press Record, play a few measures of 8th note melody work, press >> record again to play back, start playing some longer duration notes >> and hit the Substitute button a bunch of times in a row while you're >> playing...the result is an interesting rhythmic effect with those >> little 8th note slices of material popping in and out, all quantized >> to 8th notes. The problem is that the way I have my Switches and >> Timing parameters set now, when I try this, the subtituted notes pop >> in but then after the first cycle of looping, everything stops...no >> sound. I'm guessing that I need to change one of the first four >> settings (along the EDP conrol panel or buttons) under Switches and >> Timing, such as Record Mode, Overdub Mode, Round Mode, Loop/Delay, >> etc. Any recommendations on what these should be set at? > > > You need to set > InsertMode = Sub > and use Insert for the substitutes. > The Direct MIDI substitute doesn't have the "bugfix" behaviour, > so if you release the Subst before it starts the EDP will just go > permanently > into Substitute (and erase the loop). > > Quantise = 8th > 8th/cycle = 8 (or whatever) > > > > You don't have to start by playing 8th notes if you don't want to :-) > > These days I start with a loop of 7+ seconds of ambient. > Then hit mult, > ...wait for the 000 to disappear, > and straight away hit rec. > > That way I get a nice loop length for 8th stuff. > > The thing that people find hard is that it's real easy to keep > replacing the same notes, and harder to do the ones you missed. > Not such a problem if you play a melody that floats over the rhythm, > and then just pick out some notes from that. > > Another trick is play a 3 beat rhythm > 1.............2..........3..........1..........2...........3..... > note......foot.....rest.......note......foot........rest......... > which can quickly replace all the notes in the sequence. > > > > It's better to "Sub" after hitting the note, rather than simultaneous > with it. > > refer to "Backwater", on my cd, or from y2k5 > > andy butler > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 30 22:51:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24E2A3BEF3; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:51:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lQjMs7ZuH5VxqHab7CqNCLhj6inv/1nL9EQcXoViwCNCQKuR66VWroFBiPDUKTcl34UvoNmUHAaPftxoLliLE4+k6gfIFQfQRsPiB0FT5BuuZPqI3fzDPJfAD9Vpxc1DvuZakUio718DCEUwWpj+xz+SE0oBGEzHw+dO9MwEgfs= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 16:51:36 -0600 From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech Jam Man In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <36BFD3B3-46BE-4E8C-87D1-CE07170773C9@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: <5CFBVC.A.qaD.55UZDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:51:38 +0000 (UTC) Believe me, if I can this little bugger to do what I want, you'll be able to HEAR it! 8-}. I may yet try and contact them directly...I've only tweaking it since Staurday morning. Finally figured out how the storage works after I created a 22 minute WAV file and tried to overdub...no way...so the TOTAL time INCLUDING the overdubs for ALL tracks has to be no more than the "time capacity." The specs in the back of the manual vaguely say that the capacity is "1 minute per 5.29 MB, 99 loops per card." Hehe...the solution was to grab one of my 256 Mb CF cards from my camera kit and proceed to format it, transfer the file from the computer, and start laying down some overdubs. Looks like I'm gonna need another mixer, as the routing is getting a little hairy with only 8 in and 2 out. Between the computer's I/O, the A/B box off the guitar, the JamMan, and the 2IN/2OUT of the Vortex,it's getting too crowded. I'll definitely need it when the other two Vortexes get here. Still trying to see where to best route the output from the box to keep the "sound" as clean as possible, since a number of people here and elsewhere have commented on some altering happening. Onward! Dennis Moser On 10/30/05, Kelly Coyle wrote: > What an interesting idea! I wonder if DigiTech wouldn't just give you > the file structure -- it adds value to the box, after all. You could > use the thing like a weird little sampler... If you figure this out, > don't keep it a secret. > > > > > On Oct 30, 2005, at 11:45 AM, Dennis Moser wrote: > > > Well, I've read through everything I could find in the archives > > (searching both "Jamman" and "Jam Man"), but nothing to indicate that > > anyone has looked at what I am trying to research on this box. > > > > The discussion about the perceived market for this device are > > revealing: the traditional loopers tools are, by comparison, pricey, a > > little antiquated, and have limited storage capacity, due to the > > existing technology (now, don't jump on me...I own a Lexicon Vortex > > and have two more coming). One area where this box seems to be able to > > do a good job is allowing a performer to load up looops in advance, > > take them in to a performance and play "against" them. > > > > And therein lie my questions: has anyone tried hacking the XML files > > that the box generates with each WAV file that together comprise your > > loop? The XML files contain parameters such as rhythm and time...and > > since these can be edited with a text editor such as BBEdit, I'm > > trying to understand if I can perform a kind of "post-loooping" hack > > on them. I have, in the first 24 hours with this box, already done > > this with the WAV file, taking a simple guitar riff, running it > > through a bit of software to reverse it, saved it back as a > > now-reversed loop and had it run just fine on the box. (Actually did > > it in the first 15 minutes with it out of the box!) > > > > And as I sit here, listening to Steve Roach's "Structures from > > Silence", I'm sure I'm asking for trouble from this sage group! > > > > Dennis Moser > > > > The next goal is to see if I can now control other parameters stored > > inthe XML files... > > > > On 10/30/05, Per Boysen wrote: > > > >> On Oct 30, 2005, at 3:27, Dennis Moser wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Just checked the archives of the list and the last discussion about > >>> this box was in July...has anyone bought one of these yet and had a > >>> chance to experiment with it? > >>> > >>> Thanks! > >>> > >>> Dennis Moser > >>> > >> > >> > >> I have one by me fore while to test it for reviewing in a mag. I just > >> briefly plugged in an hour yesterday and need more time with the > >> device before I can judge it. I will get that time in exactly one > >> week from today. But the first impression I got is that the Jam Man > >> is not addressing people that want to PLAY looping music as much as > >> it addresses people that want to rehearse technical playing skills > >> over a background. > >> > >> ings from Sweden > >> > >> Per Boysen > >> www.looproom.com (international) > >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) > >> ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > >> www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Oct 30 23:52:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0433E3BEFC; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:52:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 18:52:12 -0500 From: Clint Goss Subject: RE: Programming the Behringer FCB1010 for Echoplex use, a quick guide In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <0IP700MXZ6B27AWL@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcXdmpJZiHs9oT3UTZ2Upw5apZQSZwAETvrw Resent-Message-ID: <5EPCsC.A.3EF.vyVZDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:52:15 +0000 (UTC) I too went throught the pain and sorrow of programming the FCB1010 by hand. (By foot?) The PC-based tools are great! I use Edward Dixon's tool I picked up from the Files section of the FCB1010 Yahoo group (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fcb1010/). There is also http://www.ripwerx.com/RipwerxFcb1010Editor.html, which is Java-based, but I have not tried it. Since you have to be a member of the Yahoo group to pick up the took, I've posted it on my server for quick access: http://goss.rho.net/fcb1010 (Since this probably bends copyright law quite a bit, I won't keep it up there forever.) One problem is that, if I ever get to a gig and the FCB has lost it's mind, there's no way I could reprogram it by hand. - Clint Goss Email: clint@goss.com Web: www.goss.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 31 01:32:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2D983BEFB; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 01:32:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003901c5ddba$f454a250$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: Programming the Behringer FCB1010 for Echoplex use, a quick guide Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 18:32:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 367, in=165972, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 01:32:36 +0000 (UTC) Cool. Thanks, Travis. I think I ended up changing the EDP MIDI Source # to 0 so that I could use the MIDI notes same as pedal #'s. Now what would be ideal are steps to make exp. pedals A and B control feedback and volume...I did already but forgot how I did it! k- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 2:40 PM Subject: Programming the Behringer FCB1010 for Echoplex use, a quick guide I just spent a few hours with the Behringer trying to program it to work with my EDP. I found the FCB manual to be confusing, and a quick search of the archives here didn't turn up what I was looking for, so for the aid of anyone else trying to program the damn thing by hand, here's a very brief, very quick guide. If there's interest, I'll update this with suggestions or corrections. TravisH **************** 1. Turn on the Behringer FCB1010 and the Echoplex. Connect the MIDI out jack to the MIDI In jack on the Echoplex. Make sure the EDP MIDI Control Source parameter is set to "not" (for "note") and that both devices are set to the same MIDI channel. 2. Select the bank and patch you wish to edit with the UP and DOWN buttons. 3. Enter Edit mode by pressing the DOWN button for 3 seconds, or until the two-digit bank indicator goes off and the first green LED under Preset Configuration starts blinking. 4. Press the UP/Enter button. 5. Some the program button LEDs may now be lit, depending on what's already been stored in the patch either at the factory or by you or whoever you bought the FCB from. You want to clear all that out so that you're not sending a bunch of unwanted MIDI data. Often, the 1, 8 and 9 buttons will be "on" in a factory preset. You want to turn those off, so hold down each button until the LED turns off. This takes about two seconds. 6. Once all the program button LEDs are off, hold down the 0 button until its LED comes on. This indicates that you're going to be editing the MIDI note which is going to be sent by this patch. 7. Press the 0 button again. Its LED should now be blinking. 8. Press the UP/Enter button. The Select LED should turn off, the Number LED should turn on and the two-digit display should now be on and displaying "00" with the second "0" flashing. 9. Now you can enter the MIDI note number that you want transmitted. For example, the Record function is triggered by a note number of 38. Use the program buttons (the 0-9 buttons) to enter the note value. 10. When you've got the desired note value showing on the three-digit display, press the UP/Enter button. The three-digit display will turn off, the 0 button LED will go to steady on, the Number LED will go off, and the Select LED will go steady on. 11. If you're finished editing that patch, hold down the DOWN button for three seconds or until three-digit display comes back on displaying the current bank. At that point, you're in the "ready to use" mode, and if you press the patch button you've just edited you should see the EDP respond in the desired manner. The note values for the EFC-7 button equivalents are as follows: 38 RecordButton 39 OverdubButton 40 MultiplyButton 41 InsertButton 42 MuteButton 43 UndoButton 44 NextButton For a more complete list of all the available MIDI commands, refer to the manual or the spreadsheet here: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/PLEX_MIDI_COMMANDS.zip From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 31 02:26:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC9713BEFB; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 02:26:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=szX7HgkNneBlI9+Mb/RO5zMrql3yvUfK76lMQDrrGefgg3odJ28wUdbrnKD1ok8Vg5xuL/kayUj8XJGF+3AxumNkPQfIkp7nQNBMIkeqcMFZTbkHQWsS7/lsrFCb9O6HBibs2hgHAQWK2IdI2/++jHyGE4EUOLlYf+yIczN6ZS4= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:26:39 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Programming the Behringer FCB1010 for Echoplex use, a quick guide In-Reply-To: <003901c5ddba$f454a250$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <003901c5ddba$f454a250$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 02:26:40 +0000 (UTC) I'll add that in tonight or tomorrow.... TravisH On 10/30/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > Cool. Thanks, Travis. I think I ended up changing the EDP MIDI Source # t= o 0 > so that I could use the MIDI notes same as pedal #'s. > > Now what would be ideal are steps to make exp. pedals A and B control > feedback and volume...I did already but forgot how I did it! > > k- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Travis Hartnett" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 2:40 PM > Subject: Programming the Behringer FCB1010 for Echoplex use, a quick guid= e > > > I just spent a few hours with the Behringer trying to program it to > work with my EDP. I found the FCB manual to be confusing, and a quick > search of the archives here didn't turn up what I was looking for, so > for the aid of anyone else trying to program the damn thing by hand, > here's a very brief, very quick guide. If there's interest, I'll > update this with suggestions or corrections. > > TravisH > > **************** > > 1. Turn on the Behringer FCB1010 and the Echoplex. Connect the MIDI > out jack to the MIDI In jack on the Echoplex. Make sure the EDP MIDI > Control Source parameter is set to "not" (for "note") and that both > devices are set to the same MIDI channel. > > 2. Select the bank and patch you wish to edit with the UP and DOWN button= s. > > 3. Enter Edit mode by pressing the DOWN button for 3 seconds, or until > the two-digit bank indicator goes off and the first green LED under > Preset Configuration starts blinking. > > 4. Press the UP/Enter button. > > 5. Some the program button LEDs may now be lit, depending on what's > already been stored in the patch either at the factory or by you or > whoever you bought the FCB from. You want to clear all that out so > that you're not sending a bunch of unwanted MIDI data. Often, the 1, > 8 and 9 buttons will be "on" in a factory preset. You want to turn > those off, so hold down each button until the LED turns off. This > takes about two seconds. > > 6. Once all the program button LEDs are off, hold down the 0 button > until its LED comes on. This indicates that you're going to be > editing the MIDI note which is going to be sent by this patch. > > 7. Press the 0 button again. Its LED should now be blinking. > > 8. Press the UP/Enter button. The Select LED should turn off, the > Number LED should turn on and the two-digit display should now be on > and displaying "00" with the second "0" flashing. > > 9. Now you can enter the MIDI note number that you want transmitted. > For example, the Record function is triggered by a note number of 38. > Use the program buttons (the 0-9 buttons) to enter the note value. > > 10. When you've got the desired note value showing on the three-digit > display, press the UP/Enter button. The three-digit display will turn > off, the 0 button LED will go to steady on, the Number LED will go > off, and the Select LED will go steady on. > > 11. If you're finished editing that patch, hold down the DOWN button > for three seconds or until three-digit display comes back on > displaying the current bank. At that point, you're in the "ready to > use" mode, and if you press the patch button you've just edited you > should see the EDP respond in the desired manner. > > The note values for the EFC-7 button equivalents are as follows: > > 38 RecordButton > 39 OverdubButton > 40 MultiplyButton > 41 InsertButton > 42 MuteButton > 43 UndoButton > 44 NextButton > > For a more complete list of all the available MIDI commands, refer to > the manual or the spreadsheet here: > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/PLEX_MIDI_COMMANDS.zip > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 31 02:36:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4849B3BEFB; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 02:36:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005301c5ddc3$dcefc730$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <003901c5ddba$f454a250$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Programming the Behringer FCB1010 for Echoplex use, a quick guide Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:36:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 367, in=165992, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 02:36:21 +0000 (UTC) Excellent. what else could we control with the expression pedal besides feedback and volume? What would be cool is to set up a pedal so that it turned the volume of one EDP to 0 and the other to max, to mess around with manual panning...not really that useful for me though, just an idea. It appears that the Behringer is a bit of a poular topic now, and I've learned some ver practiacl thins....glad I switch it it, even if I can't fit it in my suitcase. :) Too bad you can manually control the speed of a loop (not just half and full) with the EDPs and an expression pedal. That would be mind-blowing. K- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 7:26 PM Subject: Re: Programming the Behringer FCB1010 for Echoplex use, a quick guide I'll add that in tonight or tomorrow.... TravisH On 10/30/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > Cool. Thanks, Travis. I think I ended up changing the EDP MIDI Source # to 0 > so that I could use the MIDI notes same as pedal #'s. > > Now what would be ideal are steps to make exp. pedals A and B control > feedback and volume...I did already but forgot how I did it! > > k- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Travis Hartnett" > To: > Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 2:40 PM > Subject: Programming the Behringer FCB1010 for Echoplex use, a quick guide > > > I just spent a few hours with the Behringer trying to program it to > work with my EDP. I found the FCB manual to be confusing, and a quick > search of the archives here didn't turn up what I was looking for, so > for the aid of anyone else trying to program the damn thing by hand, > here's a very brief, very quick guide. If there's interest, I'll > update this with suggestions or corrections. > > TravisH > > **************** > > 1. Turn on the Behringer FCB1010 and the Echoplex. Connect the MIDI > out jack to the MIDI In jack on the Echoplex. Make sure the EDP MIDI > Control Source parameter is set to "not" (for "note") and that both > devices are set to the same MIDI channel. > > 2. Select the bank and patch you wish to edit with the UP and DOWN buttons. > > 3. Enter Edit mode by pressing the DOWN button for 3 seconds, or until > the two-digit bank indicator goes off and the first green LED under > Preset Configuration starts blinking. > > 4. Press the UP/Enter button. > > 5. Some the program button LEDs may now be lit, depending on what's > already been stored in the patch either at the factory or by you or > whoever you bought the FCB from. You want to clear all that out so > that you're not sending a bunch of unwanted MIDI data. Often, the 1, > 8 and 9 buttons will be "on" in a factory preset. You want to turn > those off, so hold down each button until the LED turns off. This > takes about two seconds. > > 6. Once all the program button LEDs are off, hold down the 0 button > until its LED comes on. This indicates that you're going to be > editing the MIDI note which is going to be sent by this patch. > > 7. Press the 0 button again. Its LED should now be blinking. > > 8. Press the UP/Enter button. The Select LED should turn off, the > Number LED should turn on and the two-digit display should now be on > and displaying "00" with the second "0" flashing. > > 9. Now you can enter the MIDI note number that you want transmitted. > For example, the Record function is triggered by a note number of 38. > Use the program buttons (the 0-9 buttons) to enter the note value. > > 10. When you've got the desired note value showing on the three-digit > display, press the UP/Enter button. The three-digit display will turn > off, the 0 button LED will go to steady on, the Number LED will go > off, and the Select LED will go steady on. > > 11. If you're finished editing that patch, hold down the DOWN button > for three seconds or until three-digit display comes back on > displaying the current bank. At that point, you're in the "ready to > use" mode, and if you press the patch button you've just edited you > should see the EDP respond in the desired manner. > > The note values for the EFC-7 button equivalents are as follows: > > 38 RecordButton > 39 OverdubButton > 40 MultiplyButton > 41 InsertButton > 42 MuteButton > 43 UndoButton > 44 NextButton > > For a more complete list of all the available MIDI commands, refer to > the manual or the spreadsheet here: > http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/PLEX_MIDI_COMMANDS.zip > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 31 03:26:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D4E73BF08; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 03:26:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VRqUFBtleSA0rQ7rgqomk+YCYfKaGK/HQwh+rRTkKiaWZpai6V6n7KlF9miI3/9krd07g0zyMoclHobsT6UXUJj47NVtZMcrNqXAbXZctLBfwkgzvpJ8pTQgYI780KZKz3FSd3pLhoUz41hxOIe/Uqv0tCwEnp85ot9Hrd0AtIY= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 20:25:59 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Programming the Behringer FCB1010 for Echoplex use, a quick guide In-Reply-To: <0IP700MXZ6B27AWL@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <0IP700MXZ6B27AWL@mta5.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> Resent-Message-ID: <7p8e_C.A.u6G.I7YZDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 03:26:01 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, even if you were familiar with the programming, you'd have to have all the settings written out clearly and be able to enter them in without losing your cool. Even with the PC editor, If a MIDI controller drops its memory, it's probably game over unless you've got a roadie with backup in the wings. TravisH On 10/30/05, Clint Goss wrote: > > One problem is that, if I ever get to a gig and the FCB has lost it's min= d, > there's no way I could reprogram it by hand. > > - Clint Goss > > Email: clint@goss.com > Web: www.goss.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 31 03:48:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D12003BF0A; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 03:48:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4365946F.7070508@Hevanet.com> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:50:07 -0800 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Programming the Behringer FCB1010 for Echoplex use, a quick guide References: <003901c5ddba$f454a250$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <003901c5ddba$f454a250$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2KMCTD.A.uiH.cQZZDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 03:48:44 +0000 (UTC) Kris Hartung wrote: >Now what would be ideal are steps to make exp. pedals A and B control >feedback and volume...I did already but forgot how I did it! > Is there any way for FCB Presets to set Feedback at some precise "favorite" levels as the foot rocking on the Expression Pedal is a bit of an inexact move (for me, anyway!). I'm currently doing it with a regular expression pedal plugged into the EDP...works fairly well, but it gets funky to inadvertently dip down into some low numbers, then change, as it makes a "spike." .David. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 31 04:04:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 634F23BF08; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 04:04:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=B3JmBrgKbIchlgcegKyi37Y3v9AxNnwDvrw/+QRkOhs41AOxeh32WhqmqQ4iS2+85H1CiByztG3kgQFwBFxOqtrD6yTz4g68Plc/f4ZFq3+l4KjSycM1z9aW3yVWRYvjpaxFvCYHUEQ8wzxE6/rKyRc+WcPYbjob+TPj7cKc6KY= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:04:52 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Fwd: Programming the Behringer FCB1010 for Echoplex use, a quick guide In-Reply-To: <4365946F.7070508@Hevanet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <003901c5ddba$f454a250$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4365946F.7070508@Hevanet.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 04:04:54 +0000 (UTC) I thought you could set the min and max values for the CC pedals for each patch--I'll check that and report back. I always wanted an analog resistor box for feedback with like four settings--100%, 80%, 50% and 25% since those seemed to be the ones I used. TravisH On 10/30/05, .David.Auker. wrote: > > > Kris Hartung wrote: > > >Now what would be ideal are steps to make exp. pedals A and B control > >feedback and volume...I did already but forgot how I did it! > > > Is there any way for FCB Presets to set Feedback at some precise > "favorite" levels as the foot rocking on the Expression Pedal is a bit > of an inexact move (for me, anyway!). I'm currently doing it with a > regular expression pedal plugged into the EDP...works fairly well, but > it gets funky to inadvertently dip down into some low numbers, then > change, as it makes a "spike." > > .David. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 31 04:11:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 846FD3BF12; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 04:11:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007701c5ddd1$295dbe80$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <003901c5ddba$f454a250$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4365946F.7070508@Hevanet.com> Subject: Re: Programming the Behringer FCB1010 for Echoplex use, a quick guide Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:11:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 366, in=154813, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 04:11:29 +0000 (UTC) That is true...you can calibrate the FCB pedal for a min and max...it takes a way to find a good setting for feedback. Basically, I set mine up so that when I pulled the pedal all the way back, the loop fades out to nothing in about 1 min. In short, I'm using it as a switch to set a fixed feedback value. For volume, I set the min at 0, however....so I can completely scale the volume down to nothing. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 9:04 PM Subject: Fwd: Programming the Behringer FCB1010 for Echoplex use, a quick guide I thought you could set the min and max values for the CC pedals for each patch--I'll check that and report back. I always wanted an analog resistor box for feedback with like four settings--100%, 80%, 50% and 25% since those seemed to be the ones I used. TravisH On 10/30/05, .David.Auker. wrote: > > > Kris Hartung wrote: > > >Now what would be ideal are steps to make exp. pedals A and B control > >feedback and volume...I did already but forgot how I did it! > > > Is there any way for FCB Presets to set Feedback at some precise > "favorite" levels as the foot rocking on the Expression Pedal is a bit > of an inexact move (for me, anyway!). I'm currently doing it with a > regular expression pedal plugged into the EDP...works fairly well, but > it gets funky to inadvertently dip down into some low numbers, then > change, as it makes a "spike." > > .David. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 31 04:18:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 169203BF14; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 04:18:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" Subject: The PiNG presents Below the Sea, Electroluminescent + Offensive Orange Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:17:57 -0500 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000801c5ddd2$12e2a0c0$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 04:18:02 +0000 (UTC) THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 31 05:09:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 758863BF0E; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 05:09:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008f01c5ddd9$3c175150$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Kris Hartung" To: References: <003901c5ddba$f454a250$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4365946F.7070508@Hevanet.com> Subject: Re: Programming the Behringer FCB1010 for Echoplex use, a quick guide Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:09:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 364, in=150749, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.0.62 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 05:09:16 +0000 (UTC) This is what I used...you might want to test my steps. I just programmed mine for both Volume and Feedback control. Kris Volume 1.. Press the PRESET button (e.g., whatever you use to trigger Record on your EDP) for which you want to program either expression pedal A or B for volume 2.. Press and hold down the DOWN switch 3.. Press the UP switch 4.. Press button 8 or 9 (Expression Pedal A or B), whatever you want to use to control volume 5.. Press UP to confirm 6.. Use Expression Pedal A to set your controller value for that expression pedal (use what is set in the EDP control panel in VolumeCont) 7.. Press UP to confirm 8.. Use Express Pedal A to set the minimum value (e.g. 0) 9.. Press UP to confirm 10.. Use Expression Pedal A to set the maximum volume value (e.g., 127) 11.. Press UP to confirm 12.. Press and hold the Down button to Exit Repeat steps 1-12 for other PRESET buttons (whatever you use for Overdub, Multiply, Reverse, etc.whatever button you want associated with that volume change function when that button is lit up Feedback 1. Press the PRESET button (e.g., whatever button you use to trigger Record on your EDP) for which you want to program either expression pedal A or B for feedback 2. Press and hold down the DOWN switch 3. Press the UP switch 4. Press button 8 or 9 (Expression Pedal A or B), whatever you want to use to control feedback 5. Press UP to confirm 6. Use Expression Pedal A to set your controller value (use what is set in the EDP control panel in FeedBkCont) 7. Press UP to confirm 8. Use Express Pedal A to set the minimum value (e.g. I use 106 to set a gradual fade-out of my loops when I pull the expression pedal all the way back) 9. Press UP to confirm 10. Use Expression Pedal A to set the maximum volume value (e.g., 127) 11. Press UP to confirm 12. Press and hold the Down button to Exit Repeat steps 1-12 for other PRESET buttons (those you use for Overdub, Multiply, Reverse, etc.whatever button you want associated with that feedback change function when that button is lit up ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 9:04 PM Subject: Fwd: Programming the Behringer FCB1010 for Echoplex use, a quick guide I thought you could set the min and max values for the CC pedals for each patch--I'll check that and report back. I always wanted an analog resistor box for feedback with like four settings--100%, 80%, 50% and 25% since those seemed to be the ones I used. TravisH On 10/30/05, .David.Auker. wrote: > > > Kris Hartung wrote: > > >Now what would be ideal are steps to make exp. pedals A and B control > >feedback and volume...I did already but forgot how I did it! > > > Is there any way for FCB Presets to set Feedback at some precise > "favorite" levels as the foot rocking on the Expression Pedal is a bit > of an inexact move (for me, anyway!). I'm currently doing it with a > regular expression pedal plugged into the EDP...works fairly well, but > it gets funky to inadvertently dip down into some low numbers, then > change, as it makes a "spike." > > .David. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 31 06:09:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52A583BEA2; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:09:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=l7UdEJ3Pr44PwKWpDy6DbFCfXimkHqMfbbHejquOr4a3uvo/V3WQmKgspMj9Tbm9YpB4VE965L4i+gpyBBTJ/cuZob16fiVQZBnMesFeEFcyvJWtc4CMj+mYm2Joov+XZt9BTbh2NkBxEuWOuS4S1zznNfi/WAkikzMcL1SZgXk= ; Message-ID: <20051031060932.67521.qmail@web50510.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:09:32 -0800 (PST) From: Sam Rogers Reply-To: onemouthband@yahoo.com Subject: RE: Turning OFF MultiIncrease in LoopIV To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:09:35 +0000 (UTC) Sorry to repeat myself, but when I asked this question a couple weeks ago nobody touched it. Maybe I really do need to have MIDI control to go directly back to loop1, but I would think there's a way to do it through the front panel or footpedal simply because there was until LoopIV. Any thoughts would be appreciated! Thanks! - Sam ----------------------------------------------------------- * To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com * From: Sam Rogers * Subject: Turning OFF MultiIncrease in LoopIV * Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 15:31:12 -0700 (PDT) 'PlexPeople - I was just practicing a song that I haven't done since I made the upgrade to LoopIV, and I found I can't figure out how to perform it anymore. It's Stanley Turrentine's "Sugar", and I do the whole head as one 30-second loop (MoreLoops=4, AutoRecord=On). I used to go directly from the bass & drums in Loop1, to recording a trumpet solo in Loop2, then jump back to Loop1 again for the lyrics, then Loop3, etc. But now when I try to jump from recording Loop2 back to Loop1, I end up in MultiIncreaseLand. MultiIncrease is a beautiful function, but is there a way I can turn it off for this tune? Or a better way to approach the tune altogether? Thanks! Sam Rogers One Mouth Band www.OneMouthBand.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 31 06:32:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E9883BF11; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:32:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=b3w+jUGxfQM3GtTcNEmyfXqQoc/MnmR5Yk/AO/WQZQxi685xoVUYw4zmNo+iNxKG/f01ikbnDtziiThXFZ9+o1vOJ0bBrUpgcyRY23rK+nvk4biv+tDxjbTxRENm88HhFGw4Qv0vpjEU7dwkg0TuyyVaxjllNDwZGCY2VLJCdtE= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:32:14 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Turning OFF MultiIncrease in LoopIV In-Reply-To: <20051031060932.67521.qmail@web50510.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051031060932.67521.qmail@web50510.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:32:17 +0000 (UTC) So you want to go from recording in loop2 back to loop1, and when you get to loop1, what mode do you want to be in? Play, Record, or Overdub? If I try that in LoopIV with the EFC, it inserts a cycle of silence into loop2, which was really surprising to me. Using a MIDI controller, I can go back to loop1 from recording in loop2, but when I get to loop1 I'm in Play. TravisH On 10/30/05, Sam Rogers wrote: > Sorry to repeat myself, but when I asked this question a > couple weeks ago nobody touched it. Maybe I really do need > to have MIDI control to go directly back to loop1, but I > would think there's a way to do it through the front panel > or footpedal simply because there was until LoopIV. Any > thoughts would be appreciated! Thanks! > > - Sam > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > * To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > * From: Sam Rogers > * Subject: Turning OFF MultiIncrease in LoopIV > * Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 15:31:12 -0700 (PDT) > > 'PlexPeople - > > I was just practicing a song that I haven't done since I > made the upgrade to LoopIV, and I found I can't figure out > how to perform it anymore. > > It's Stanley Turrentine's "Sugar", and I do the whole head > as one 30-second loop (MoreLoops=3D4, AutoRecord=3DOn). I used > to go directly from the bass & drums in Loop1, to recording > a trumpet solo in Loop2, then jump back to Loop1 again for > the lyrics, then Loop3, etc. But now when I try to jump > from recording Loop2 back to Loop1, I end up in > MultiIncreaseLand. MultiIncrease is a beautiful function, > but is there a way I can turn it off for this tune? Or a > better way to approach the tune altogether? Thanks! > > Sam Rogers > One Mouth Band > www.OneMouthBand.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 31 06:46:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A2E13BF1B; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:46:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DQPe2q5GkntwB7BdjI63u4y77vyCzR2bqcWD/aoUuvgf1ZqMZ0+Eqprp4MlUxkEVKEbyirtYfPJj4htrQwUI91TUEDdgS/uvb5yD9hDaOJPx0KWIlddX1Lt4RTREf4Bb4amjPNaHsw57PPWNyGaeNVxUQknV3Y9JDKlAhTKOq9c= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:46:08 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Programming the Behringer FCB1010 for Echoplex use, a quick guide In-Reply-To: <008f01c5ddd9$3c175150$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <003901c5ddba$f454a250$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4365946F.7070508@Hevanet.com> <008f01c5ddd9$3c175150$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:46:09 +0000 (UTC) Nope that didn't work for me. The Expression Pedal A and B lights come on when I go to that patch, but the pedal settings themselves have no effect on the EDP. TravisH On 10/30/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > This is what I used...you might want to test my steps. I just programmed > mine for both Volume and Feedback control. > > Kris > > Volume > > 1.. Press the PRESET button (e.g., whatever you use to trigger Record o= n > your EDP) for which you want to program either expression pedal A or B f= or > volume > 2.. Press and hold down the DOWN switch > 3.. Press the UP switch > 4.. Press button 8 or 9 (Expression Pedal A or B), whatever you want to > use to control volume > 5.. Press UP to confirm > 6.. Use Expression Pedal A to set your controller value for that > expression pedal (use what is set in the EDP control panel in VolumeCont) > 7.. Press UP to confirm > 8.. Use Express Pedal A to set the minimum value (e.g. 0) > 9.. Press UP to confirm > 10.. Use Expression Pedal A to set the maximum volume value (e.g., 127) > 11.. Press UP to confirm > 12.. Press and hold the Down button to Exit > Repeat steps 1-12 for other PRESET buttons (whatever you use for Overdub, > Multiply, Reverse, etc.whatever button you want associated with that volu= me > change function when that button is lit up > > Feedback > > 1. Press the PRESET button (e.g., whatever button you use to trigge= r > Record on your EDP) for which you want to program either expression peda= l A > or B for feedback > > 2. Press and hold down the DOWN switch > > 3. Press the UP switch > > 4. Press button 8 or 9 (Expression Pedal A or B), whatever you want= to > use to control feedback > > 5. Press UP to confirm > > 6. Use Expression Pedal A to set your controller value (use what is > set in the EDP control panel in FeedBkCont) > > 7. Press UP to confirm > > 8. Use Express Pedal A to set the minimum value (e.g. I use 106 to = set > a gradual fade-out of my loops when I pull the expression pedal all the w= ay > back) > > 9. Press UP to confirm > > 10. Use Expression Pedal A to set the maximum volume value (e.g., 127) > > 11. Press UP to confirm > > 12. Press and hold the Down button to Exit > > Repeat steps 1-12 for other PRESET buttons (those you use for Overdub, > Multiply, Reverse, etc.whatever button you want associated with that > feedback change function when that button is lit up > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 31 06:58:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B0953BF1D; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:58:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dY5l0YbYv5gT9xi0/fuE6PTvJkyT2cGGssSEKSfYSmoVohk6QGq+H5B0NVLJjK/pf1E7e+XfPcekBjZ2ke8ZCVxWZFEdb/Se5BNgE04bgxDo1WtCqygtCIIStgr4VGHXAXcSEwuH0pXzyJq5vUDP+2XhF2sJ9E0oQ2MbvLk+UNo= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:58:26 -0800 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Programming the Behringer FCB1010 for Echoplex use, a quick guide In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <003901c5ddba$f454a250$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4365946F.7070508@Hevanet.com> <008f01c5ddd9$3c175150$52b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:58:28 +0000 (UTC) Nevermind--I just needed to recalibrate the expression pedals. One should be aware however that the Volume control will only control the relative volume level of the loop and that the Mix knob on the front panel is an analog control, so if your mix is set to all direct, then you won't hear any of the loop regardless of the Volume setting on the expression pedal. So, the current quick guide to programming the Behringer for use with the EDP currently looks like this: ***************** Programming the patch buttons to send MIDI notes: 1. Turn on the Behringer FCB1010 and the Echoplex. Connect the MIDI out jack to the MIDI In jack on the Echoplex. Make sure the EDP MIDI Control Source parameter is set to "not" (for "note") and that both devices are set to the same MIDI channel. 2. Select the bank and patch you wish to edit with the UP and DOWN buttons. 3. Enter Edit mode by pressing the DOWN button for 3 seconds, or until the two-digit bank indicator goes off and the first green LED under Preset Configuration starts blinking. 4. Press the UP/Enter button. 5. Some the program button LEDs may now be lit, depending on what's already been stored in the patch either at the factory or by you or whoever you bought the FCB from. You want to clear all that out so that you're not sending a bunch of unwanted MIDI data. Often, the 1, 8 and 9 buttons will be "on" in a factory preset. You want to turn those off, so hold down each button until the LED turns off. This takes about two seconds. 6. Once all the program button LEDs are off, hold down the 0 button until its LED comes on. This indicates that you're going to be editing the MIDI note which is going to be sent by this patch. 7. Press the 0 button again. Its LED should now be blinking. 8. Press the UP/Enter button. The Select LED should turn off, the Number LED should turn on and the two-digit display should now be on and displaying "00" with the second "0" flashing. 9. Now you can enter the MIDI note number that you want transmitted.=20 For example, the Record function is triggered by a note number of 38.=20 Use the program buttons (the 0-9 buttons) to enter the note value. 10. When you've got the desired note value showing on the three-digit display, press the UP/Enter button. The three-digit display will turn off, the 0 button LED will go to steady on, the Number LED will go off, and the Select LED will go steady on. 11. If you're finished editing that patch, hold down the DOWN button for three seconds or until three-digit display comes back on displaying the current bank. At that point, you're in the "ready to use" mode, and if you press the patch button you've just edited you should see the EDP respond in the desired manner. The note values for the EFC-7 button equivalents are as follows: 38=09RecordButton=09 39=09OverdubButton=09 40=09MultiplyButton=09=09 41=09InsertButton=09 42=09MuteButton=09 43=09UndoButton=09 44=09NextButton=09 For a more complete list of all the available MIDI commands, refer to the manual or the spreadsheet here:=20 http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/PLEX_MIDI_COMMANDS.zip Programming an expression pedal to control loop Volume 1.. Press the PRESET button (e.g., whatever you use to trigger Record on your EDP) for which you want to program either expression pedal A or B for volume 2.. Press and hold down the DOWN switch 3.. Press the UP switch 4.. Press button 8 or 9 (Expression Pedal A or B), whatever you want to use to control volume 5.. Press UP to confirm 6.. Use Expression Pedal A to set your controller value for that expression pedal (use what is set in the EDP control panel in VolumeCont) 7.. Press UP to confirm 8.. Use Express Pedal A to set the minimum value (e.g. 0) 9.. Press UP to confirm 10.. Use Expression Pedal A to set the maximum volume value (e.g., 127) 11.. Press UP to confirm 12.. Press and hold the Down button to Exit Repeat steps 1-12 for other PRESET buttons (whatever you use for Overdub, Multiply, Reverse, etc.whatever button you want associated with that volume change function when that button is lit up Programming an expression pedal to control loop Feedback 1. Press the PRESET button (e.g., whatever button you use to trigger Record on your EDP) for which you want to program either expression pedal = A or B for feedback 2. Press and hold down the DOWN switch 3. Press the UP switch 4. Press button 8 or 9 (Expression Pedal A or B), whatever you want t= o use to control feedback 5. Press UP to confirm 6. Use Expression Pedal A to set your controller value (use what is set in the EDP control panel in FeedBkCont) 7. Press UP to confirm 8. Use Express Pedal A to set the minimum value (e.g. I use 106 to se= t a gradual fade-out of my loops when I pull the expression pedal all the way back) 9. Press UP to confirm 10. Use Expression Pedal A to set the maximum volume value (e.g., 127) 11. Press UP to confirm 12. Press and hold the Down button to Exit Repeat steps 1-12 for other PRESET buttons (those you use for Overdub, Multiply, Reverse, etc.whatever button you want associated with that feedback change function when that button is lit up Calibrating the expression pedals: Many units ship with the exprssion pedals not correctly calibrated. This requires that you perform a manual calibration before the pedals will work correctly. The following procedure was provided by Behringer: =091.=09Keep footswitches 1 and 3 pressed while switching on the unit (This bit you can't do standing up!). Release the switches when the display blanks. The LEDs on the footswitches, the ones on the display and each segment of the two numeric displays will turn on and off in sequence. =092.=09Wait until all footswitch LEDs are on. Depress all footswitches one at a time, including UP and DOWN, until all LEDs are off. =093.=09Wait until relay switch test is finished. (There will be a couple of mechanical clicks, and the display will end up reading "F1" (at least, it did on mine)). [Also, if you have connected a MIDI cable between the MIDI in and out, the display will show "A1" before this, meaning the midi ports work correctly.] =094.=09Press DOWN once. =095.=09Adjust the left expression pedal (A) to the lowest value (heel down). Once adjusted press UP. =096.=09Adjust the left expression pedal (A) to the highest value (toe down). Once adjusted press UP. =097.=09Adjust the right expression pedal (B) to the lowest value (heel down). Once adjusted press UP. =098.=09Adjust the right expression pedal (B) to the highest value (toe down). Once adjusted press UP. =099.=09Select a patch which has both pedals set to their full range, and check the expression pedals now send 0-127 (0x00-0x7F) On 10/30/05, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Nope that didn't work for me. The Expression Pedal A and B lights > come on when I go to that patch, but the pedal settings themselves > have no effect on the EDP. > > TravisH > > On 10/30/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > > This is what I used...you might want to test my steps. I just programme= d > > mine for both Volume and Feedback control. > > > > Kris > > > > Volume > > > > 1.. Press the PRESET button (e.g., whatever you use to trigger Record= on > > your EDP) for which you want to program either expression pedal A or B= for > > volume > > 2.. Press and hold down the DOWN switch > > 3.. Press the UP switch > > 4.. Press button 8 or 9 (Expression Pedal A or B), whatever you want = to > > use to control volume > > 5.. Press UP to confirm > > 6.. Use Expression Pedal A to set your controller value for that > > expression pedal (use what is set in the EDP control panel in VolumeCon= t) > > 7.. Press UP to confirm > > 8.. Use Express Pedal A to set the minimum value (e.g. 0) > > 9.. Press UP to confirm > > 10.. Use Expression Pedal A to set the maximum volume value (e.g., 12= 7) > > 11.. Press UP to confirm > > 12.. Press and hold the Down button to Exit > > Repeat steps 1-12 for other PRESET buttons (whatever you use for Overdu= b, > > Multiply, Reverse, etc.whatever button you want associated with that vo= lume > > change function when that button is lit up > > > > Feedback > > > > 1. Press the PRESET button (e.g., whatever button you use to trig= ger > > Record on your EDP) for which you want to program either expression pe= dal A > > or B for feedback > > > > 2. Press and hold down the DOWN switch > > > > 3. Press the UP switch > > > > 4. Press button 8 or 9 (Expression Pedal A or B), whatever you wa= nt to > > use to control feedback > > > > 5. Press UP to confirm > > > > 6. Use Expression Pedal A to set your controller value (use what = is > > set in the EDP control panel in FeedBkCont) > > > > 7. Press UP to confirm > > > > 8. Use Express Pedal A to set the minimum value (e.g. I use 106 t= o set > > a gradual fade-out of my loops when I pull the expression pedal all the= way > > back) > > > > 9. Press UP to confirm > > > > 10. Use Expression Pedal A to set the maximum volume value (e.g., 127= ) > > > > 11. Press UP to confirm > > > > 12. Press and hold the Down button to Exit > > > > Repeat steps 1-12 for other PRESET buttons (those you use for Overdub, > > Multiply, Reverse, etc.whatever button you want associated with that > > feedback change function when that button is lit up > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 31 11:52:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 150863BEE9; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:52:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051031104239.02dba300@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:48:05 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:RE: Michael Peters interface modes In-Reply-To: <20051031022641.500923BF08@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051031022641.500923BF08@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:52:35 +0000 (UTC) >Markus sent me a box of chips ... I finally put them in ... but the version >number displayed on boot isn't "Loop IV 1.1" but "Loop 3 5.0". And the new >insert modes aren't displayed. And putting a feedback pedal in doesn't >change anything. Ack! > >Seems I still have an old version. "Loop3" sounds like an old version >although "5.0" sounds "new" but I guess this is a subversion number or >something. Is there a listing of the EDP versions that exist, and their >features? Sounds like Markus sent you a set of Loop3 chips! Did the chips have "loop 4" written on them, or "loop3", that's a bit of a give away. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 31 12:01:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D468D3BEFE; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:01:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051031115034.02dba010@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:55:46 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: RE: Turning OFF MultiIncrease in LoopIV In-Reply-To: <20051031064610.ABB503BF22@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051031064610.ABB503BF22@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:01:52 +0000 (UTC) At 06:46 31/10/05, you wrote: >Sorry to repeat myself, but when I asked this question a >couple weeks ago nobody touched it. Maybe I really do need >to have MIDI control to go directly back to loop1, but I >would think there's a way to do it through the front panel >or footpedal simply because there was until LoopIV. >'PlexPeople - > >It's Stanley Turrentine's "Sugar", and I do the whole head >as one 30-second loop (MoreLoops=4, AutoRecord=On). I used >to go directly from the bass & drums in Loop1, to recording >a trumpet solo in Loop2, then jump back to Loop1 again for >the lyrics, then Loop3, etc. But now when I try to jump >from recording Loop2 back to Loop1, I end up in >MultiIncreaseLand. MultiIncrease is a beautiful function, easy, just get your head out of the fake books and into the edp manual :-) As soon as you start doing original music the EDP will really want to co-operate with you. andy butler p.s. yes, it's possible to do what you want, and if no-one else sorts you out I'll show you how when I next get some email brain time, in the meantime, the term "Multi-Increase" is not relevant to your problem at all, so perhaps that is confusing people (tired of typing now...bye) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 31 12:36:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69DE23BEFC; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:36:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 80f4b947c86756e74190a043f1a5431b Received-SPF: pass (ibadan.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.176.10.7 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.176.10.7; envelope-from=matigrob@terra.com.br; helo=[10.1.1.6]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matigrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8A0D@lon-oxmail02> References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8A0D@lon-oxmail02> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:33:08 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: The End of Timeless Instruments? (Craig Anderton editorial) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:36:36 +0000 (UTC) what we may loose is the possibility to dig out an old left behind instrument and "rediscover" it. If you find a 200 years old instrument now, there is a chance you can take off its dust and listen to its sound. In 200 years there will be some specialist who with a VST emulator, so they can listen to an old plug and imitate it, whereas there is very little chance that a todays digital effect box will still work, and it seems impossible to find a replacement chip, so its rather the dedicated electronic instruments which will not survive. but the strong inventions will be reproduced virtually updated through the system changes anyway! or re-copied by fans later. and a virtual copy of a virtual instrument seems to be easier... history is certainly helpfull to understand where we are. but in this phase it also seems to hold us back. in my world, a tube amplifier is not be the quality reference any more, not just because the technology is overcome, but because its sound served in a revolutionary phase which is over. besides, it always makes sense to save some to remind of that phase -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 31 13:01:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32F903BF00; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:01:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 19ee4455c89d047b038fb08dadad9ed6 Received-SPF: pass (bucavu.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.176.10.6 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.176.10.6; envelope-from=matigrob@terra.com.br; helo=[10.1.1.6]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matigrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4361B298.7000905@Hevanet.com> References: <1589.66.94.148.190.1129938273.squirrel@webmail.airmail.net> <4359A6B1.7080105@Hevanet.com> <4361B298.7000905@Hevanet.com> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:59:10 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: EDP startup failures Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:01:39 +0000 (UTC) >Another EDP item: upon power-up, sometimes (rarely) mine doesn't. I >have my gear all plugged into a power strip. Is it ok to just turn >that on, with everything turned "on," or should I be using the >switch on the EDP itself? (When EDP doesn't power-up, I turn the >switch off and on, and it's ok...)  >Thanks, David dont worry! due to the phantastic BrotherSync sample level sync construction and a constellation of the CODEC, we need to switch the master clock from one crystal to another at startup. a pretty weird process since its the processor that does the switching also depends on the crystals oscillation. so sometimes it dies there. just start it again and it will be perfect. if it happens anoyingly often, you can improve by replacing the crystals (by a hopefully better matching pair). -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 31 13:07:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 939243BF0E; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:07:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: c27ebda2903234e5482cca3c86b9251d Received-SPF: pass (soluezi.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.176.10.13 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.176.10.13; envelope-from=matigrob@terra.com.br; helo=[10.1.1.6]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matigrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <410-2200510528133328130@earthlink.net> References: <410-2200510528133328130@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:04:17 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: intro Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:07:03 +0000 (UTC) >Belated welcome, Mr Harms. Looping an upright bass? Sounds very cool indeed. Mich Gerber does only this for 10 years, using several EDPs! He made it to the charts in Switzerland and tours in Turky. He is a very nice guy but does not speak english... so we are happy to have you here, Ted :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 31 13:17:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A05363BF12; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:17:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 43e0ecdca23d218c7019e62ce88a2ebb Received-SPF: pass (enugu.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.176.10.9 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.176.10.9; envelope-from=matigrob@terra.com.br; helo=[10.1.1.6]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matigrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20051026101240.01ed5800@mail.wightman.ca> References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051017013533.01f0a048@mail.wightman.ca> <6.2.0.14.2.20051025102201.01fac1c8@mail.wightman.ca> <00a901c5d9b8$03189640$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0068c4d741909ac9c6de25a4bfd3ce42@suitandtieguy.com> <00d901c5d9cd$ea8ed740$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3923AC2B-6B48-42EF-9C73-44D566093FDE@boysen.se> <005301c5da2a$c93989c0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <009f01c5da35$ccfe58f0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20051026101240.01ed5800@mail.wightman.ca> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:14:25 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: using laptops for music Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:17:03 +0000 (UTC) I am mostly worried about the connectors: no matter how much metal they put in the box, the connectors are freely spread arround and stand out and when somebody walks by and touch it, you have the following options: - (best) the connector falls out - the connector breaks - the socket breaks - the socket and the PCB break - the socket and the chip connected to it break (as experienced with FireWire!) I think Laptop is great to start and make experiences, but for a serious touring equipment, we should figure out boxes with big FireWire sockets, mobile processors, no ventilators and possibly Flash memory instead of HD >I have to throw in my couple of cents here, I agree totally that you >need to look for a commercial model. I'm still using my compaq m300 >which would be about 6 or 7 yrs old. I have upgraded hard drives, cd >burners, memory and OS systems over the years but the laptop itself >is still chugging along. The m series was what compaq was calling >their business line back then, and the other main line was the >pesario which was the consumer line. Back then I chose the m300 >because it had a lot more metal in the case compared to the pesario >and I was touring a lot back then. You still see quite a few of >these m300s on ebay working fine, but not nearly fast enough for >what we want it to do, and I must say that Travis was right on when >he talked about depreciation if that wants to factor into your >decision. My laptop would sell for maybe $150.00, while my 3 yr old >edp would fetch maybe $800.00 (which is more than I paid for it). -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 31 13:37:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34BB43BF12; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:37:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20051031105123.02dbd2f0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:41:06 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: EDP Settings for Using Subsitute and Quantize by 8th Notes In-Reply-To: <20051031022641.500923BF08@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20051031022641.500923BF08@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <72SHOB.A.2sC.z4hZDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:37:56 +0000 (UTC) >Andy, et al: > >Should we be avoiding Substitute in MIDI control altogether? I know >Andy says "Direct MIDI" below, and that's SUSSubstitute (Note A#, >22) but there's also "MIDI button" SubstituteButton (Note A#, 10). Unless you're using the SUS version(A#) there's no difference. SubstituteButton (Note A#, 10). Is a TOG (toggle) function. It just sends the edp into Substitute until another button press. This problem only happens when using SUS functions and Quantise together. If you're doing this: 1) press down on SUS function 2) edp shows 000 3) release SUS function before 000 disappears (i.e. before the function actually starts) 4) edp ignores note-off 5) edp is still showing 000, until it starts the function 6) edp starts the function, but now it won't be SUS, because the note-off is already gone 7) edp stays in the function Make any sense? This behaviour is fixed for the Insert Button versions of Insert, Substitute and Replace, and also for Multiply. In which case the story above is changed 4) edp notices the note-off 6) edp starts the function, 7) edp counts 1 unit of Quantise ( 8th, cycle, loop) 8) EDP ends SUS function OR simple version If you want to do that cool effect of replacing exact 8th notes always use InsertMode=SUB (or rPL) and then use the Insert Button. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 31 13:52:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 044793BF15; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:52:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000601c5de22$b4e52e60$2002d00c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <6.2.0.14.2.20051017013533.01f0a048@mail.wightman.ca> <6.2.0.14.2.20051025102201.01fac1c8@mail.wightman.ca> <00a901c5d9b8$03189640$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <0068c4d741909ac9c6de25a4bfd3ce42@suitandtieguy.com> <00d901c5d9cd$ea8ed740$41a8e40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3923AC2B-6B48-42EF-9C73-44D566093FDE@boysen.se> <005301c5da2a$c93989c0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <009f01c5da35$ccfe58f0$5baae40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <6.2.0.14.2.20051026101240.01ed5800@mail.wightman.ca> Subject: Re: using laptops for music Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:55:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:52:35 +0000 (UTC) Well, I just decided to jump off the cliff and ordered one of these beasts: http://underbid.com/cgi-bin/underbid/underbid.cgi?action=display&item=1090721 I plan to use this to replace my entire looping setup... ...by building it all in Reaktor. I will now be able to use my Reaktor big band horns live... http://www.marksmart.net/sounddesign/windsounds/reaktorbigband/reaktorbigband.html Also it will allow me to do much better Continuum demonstrations at the NAMM show in January. The Neko is built like a tank and so should withstand live gigs no problem. What's weird is that I did a lot of research into using a laptop or a small desktop PC, and the Neko actually ends up being CHEAPER for me, because with it I can use my old Layla 20 sound card and my old version of Cubase (which requires a parallel port for the hardware dongle). If I got a new laptop I would have to get new Cubase ($600) and a new multi-channel sound card ($600). The Neko hasn't arrived yet. I'll let you all know how it goes. If this thing is as cool as I think it is going to be, I will have several looping devices for sale soon! Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 7:14 AM Subject: Re: using laptops for music > I am mostly worried about the connectors: > no matter how much metal they put in the box, the connectors are > freely spread arround and stand out and when somebody walks by and > touch it, you have the following options: > - (best) the connector falls out > - the connector breaks > - the socket breaks > - the socket and the PCB break > - the socket and the chip connected to it break (as experienced with FireWire!) > > I think Laptop is great to start and make experiences, but for a > serious touring equipment, we should figure out boxes with big > FireWire sockets, mobile processors, no ventilators and possibly > Flash memory instead of HD > > >I have to throw in my couple of cents here, I agree totally that you > >need to look for a commercial model. I'm still using my compaq m300 > >which would be about 6 or 7 yrs old. I have upgraded hard drives, cd > >burners, memory and OS systems over the years but the laptop itself > >is still chugging along. The m series was what compaq was calling > >their business line back then, and the other main line was the > >pesario which was the consumer line. Back then I chose the m300 > >because it had a lot more metal in the case compared to the pesario > >and I was touring a lot back then. You still see quite a few of > >these m300s on ebay working fine, but not nearly fast enough for > >what we want it to do, and I must say that Travis was right on when > >he talked about depreciation if that wants to factor into your > >decision. My laptop would sell for maybe $150.00, while my 3 yr old > >edp would fetch maybe $800.00 (which is more than I paid for it). > > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 31 14:12:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76EA03BF08; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:12:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 00db369fd25fa500227a3f82e7a1043d Received-SPF: pass (buvuma.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.176.10.12 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.176.10.12; envelope-from=matigrob@terra.com.br; helo=[10.1.1.6]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matigrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:09:33 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Whence Stuart Wyatt? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:12:03 +0000 (UTC) >Anyone know what Stuart Wyatt's up to these days? He's a electric >violinist who used to loop on the streets in Paris a few years back, >but his website seems to have gone away. the last time I talked to him he was feshly back in London, 2003, pretty unhappy and stressed with survival... certainly an inspired player, I hope he is back to music! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 31 19:03:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 075873BEDB; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:03:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2970845.1130785428800.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:03:48 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: The End of Timeless Instruments? (Craig Anderton editorial) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:03:49 +0000 (UTC) ...in my world, a tube amplifier is not be the quality reference any more, not just because the technology is overcome, but because its sound served in a revolutionary phase which is over. besides, it always makes sense to save some to remind of that phase - ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org Matthias, with all due respect, i am glad you prefaced that quip with: "in my world". TUBES are probably the most important sound factors 'in my world'. that will never change. "revolutionary phase"? if its a phase-its a long one :-) peace&love staninsanfran From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 31 20:40:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BDA73BEE6; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:40:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=y+SrZmCOw4zgmGn42KoUW7lMM4iyCrgdd1waqHGu8O5DzXee1qEmn70ZEhJ+htwsCw8oHZQE5lbNWcOTU16akznsj1WgMIFF3sMGnLKw4gp41WTip08xKoRW3ggn+djYyeQoVXbhnOcGLtowEJ9xXm112eikThGn0kWEcU1rnJw= ; Message-ID: <20051031204002.25989.qmail@web50515.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 12:40:02 -0800 (PST) From: Sam Rogers Reply-To: onemouthband@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Turning OFF MultiIncrease in LoopIV To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <93QaXC.A.hy.kEoZDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:40:05 +0000 (UTC) Travis - Thanks for the reply. With MoreLoops=4, I'm trying to go from recording loop1, directly into recording on loop2 (NextLoop + carrying my loop1 with me, LoopCopy=On) back to playing in loop1, without anything on loop3 or loop4. Like I said before, I keep ending up in MultiIncrease when I hit NextLoop again, and a long-press doesn't send me back to loop1 either. Hope this description helps. Thanks again! - Sam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 31 21:06:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53AE13BEF1; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:06:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:06:23 -0600 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Turning OFF MultiIncrease in LoopIV In-reply-to: <20051031204002.25989.qmail@web50515.mail.yahoo.com> To: onemouthband@yahoo.com Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4366874F.9020607@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20051031204002.25989.qmail@web50515.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:06:31 +0000 (UTC) Sam Rogers wrote: > Thanks for the reply. With MoreLoops=4, I'm trying to go > from recording loop1, directly into recording on loop2 > (NextLoop + carrying my loop1 with me, LoopCopy=On) back to > playing in loop1, without anything on loop3 or loop4. > > Like I said before, I keep ending up in MultiIncrease when > I hit NextLoop again, and a long-press doesn't send me back > to loop1 either. Hope this description helps. Thanks > again! It sounds like you are in "Switch Quantize" mode not MultiIncrease. If SwitchQuant is on and you press NextLoop before the loop start point, the number of the next loop will be displayed in the LED. If you keep pressing NextLoop the number of the next loop will be incremented. This lets you select any of the 4 loops provided you start pressing NextLoop far enough in advance. In your case keep pressing until the number is 1. To my knowledge there is no defined behavior for a long-press of NextLoop in Loop IV. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 31 21:55:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 958E33BEEC; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:55:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: RE: Michael Peters interface modes Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:54:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcXeXyi7d/3J7EyjSOGligIRKUaeIQABlgFA In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20051031104239.02dba300@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:55:01 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.110.147 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <20051031215517.469733BEE1@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:55:19 +0000 (UTC) > Sounds like Markus sent you a set of Loop3 chips! yes he did. doesn't matter. i'll get the new chips soon and be a happy looper. -michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Oct 31 22:34:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 909033BEF1; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:34:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1130797538.436699e280d78@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:25:38 -0600 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [gig] Atomic Mobius Machine Live on the Internet, November 5th, 2005 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 71.134.136.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/54322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:34:24 +0000 (UTC) Fellow Loopers, It's that time again, Atomic Mobius Machine is playing live, for you, on the internet. As usual the show will run 8pm-2am/PST on AwesomeRadio.net. Atomic Mobius Machine is best classified as Improvisational Electronic Ambient Trance music, featuring Dan Moore, Ross Artese, and Chris Roberts, on various musical instruments, electronics, and computers. Please tune into AwesomeRadio.net, at www.awesomeradio.net, Saturday, November 5th, at 8pm/pst for some really trippy music. Technically speaking, it's a shoutcast stream (ie. mp3 format) and can easily be listened to with WinAmp (www.winamp.com) or Windows MediaPlayer under Windows, iTunes will work for you on the Mac, and XMMS (www.xmms.org/) under Linux... AwesomeRadio serves 3 streams, with increasing quality/bandwidth requirements. Here are the addresses to use: broadband radio.awesomeradio.net:8000 24/22 mono radio.awesomeradio.net:8006 16/16 mono radio.awesomeradio.net:8004 Atomic Mobius Machine broadcasts a nice sounding stereo feed on the broadband stream, but, if your internet connection can't handle that, please use one of the other addresses. Feel free to visit our website: www.atomomach.com. AwesomeRadio also has an IRC chat room, for those so inclined. You can use a Java client (linked from the website), or an OS native client, such as mIRC for Windows. The IRC network is irc.SoundNWaves.net, and the channel is #awesomeradio. Of course, while we are playing we won't be chatting much, but there will be other listeners in there, so... I hope you can tune in for some of the show... :) peace -cpr ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.