From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 1 00:10:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD62E3BEF0; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 00:10:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <157.57ee0a5a.3047a0e9@aol.com> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:10:17 EDT Subject: Looper For New Orleans Relief To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_157.57ee0a5a.3047a0e9_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 00:10:21 +0000 (UTC) --part1_157.57ee0a5a.3047a0e9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey there everybody! It may not amount to a heck of a lot. But CDBaby just sent out an e-mail=20 giving=20 artists the opportunity to donate proceeds from their CD sales to the Red=20 Cross for hurricane disaster relief. I've decided to do it for a limited time (at=20 least=20 a month or two).=20 I know there are some other loopers on LD who also have disks for sale at=20 CDBaby.=20 It seems like a good cause -- and heck I ain't getting rich form CD sales=20 anyway.=20 If you have a CD for sale on CDBaby consider participating. If not, maybe=20 consider=20 buying a CD there sometime soon. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_157.57ee0a5a.3047a0e9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey there everybody!

It may not amount to a heck of a lot. But CDBaby just sent out an e-mail giv= ing
artists the opportunity to donate proceeds from their CD sales to the Red Cr= oss
for hurricane disaster relief. I've decided to do it for a limited time (at=20= least
a month or two).

I know there are some other loopers on LD who also have disks for sale at CD= Baby.
It seems like a good cause -- and heck I ain't getting rich form CD sales an= yway.
If you have a CD for sale on CDBaby consider participating. If not, maybe co= nsider
buying a CD there sometime soon.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_157.57ee0a5a.3047a0e9_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 1 01:17:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D42793BEFA; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 01:17:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 1 Sep 2005 01:17:47 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: lucio@kingtone.com Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:17:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Y2K5 International Live Looping Festival X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050901011747.7165586B11@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6UhH1C.A.tWD.9alFDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 01:17:49 +0000 (UTC) Hey Rick- I can't remember the status of our emails regarding Y2K5. I've got a weddi= ng to attend on the 8th. Can you fit lumper/splitter in on the 9th?? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Y2K5 International Live Looping Festival Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:22:40 -0700 >=20 > The Y2K5 International Live Looping Festival will be held in > Santa Cruz on October 8th and 9th (Saturday and Sunday). > We'll be celebrating five years of producing live looping festivals=20 > this year!!!! >=20 > The person who I secured a venue from has stopped working for the=20 > organization where we had it planned so I am scrambling now to find=20 > an alternate location (or renegotiate playing at the original=20 > venue). >=20 > Also, being in Zurich for the big festival has put me behind in the=20 > production of this festival. > That added to the fact that several featured performers are still=20 > unsure if they can come or not > means that I cannot officially reveal any of the details of the=20 > festival (they aren't decided yet). >=20 > There is also a strong possibility that we may have one or even two=20 > dates for the festival in San Francisco. Again, this is being=20 > negotiated as we speak. >=20 > A large number of people have already contacted me about playing=20 > the festival so there may still be > spots open in the performance. >=20 > I will give first consideration to people 1) from out of California > and 2) who have not played the festival before >=20 > so if you are interested in playing and I don't already know your music >=20 > Send me a CD as soon as possible, for consideration to >=20 > Y2K5 SUBMISSION > 412 Darwin Street > Santa Cruz, California > 95062-2629 >=20 > I will accept people on a first come, first served basis. >=20 > Please make it representative of what you do in a live looping slot. >=20 > Do to the large volume of applicants so far, I will not consider=20 > anyone but musicians who > use live looping as a primary tool in their performances. >=20 > This means that performances that rely on pre recorded loops=20 > primarily will not be accepted. > It is okay if people augment their primarily live looping set with=20 > drum machines or sequences but the spirit of this festival is LIVE=20 > LOOPING. >=20 > There really, unfortunately, isn't room for groups at this=20 > festival (unless they can meet the > 20 minute silent setup, 30 minute set and 10 minute maximum=20 > offstage time criteria). >=20 > I look forward to hearing from you. Wish me luck in finding a suitable v= enue! >=20 > yours, > Rick Walker > Y2K5 International Live Looping Festival --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 1 01:42:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D5FE3BEF1; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 01:42:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 1 Sep 2005 01:42:18 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:42:18 -0500 Subject: Re: Echoplex Footpedal not responding X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050901014218.B624CE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 01:42:21 +0000 (UTC) Hey Doug How did you mod your echoplex foot controller to switch between 2 EDPs? To= ggle switch? No false triggers when switching, etc? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex Footpedal not responding Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:54:03 -0500 >=20 > I use the native EDP controller, on a pedalboard, live onstage with=20 > a band. Never had an issue. I have even modified my native EDP=20 > controller to swtch between my 2 EDPs. Still no issues. >=20 > The FCB1010 is 27 inches wide. The EDP controller is approximately=20 > 18 inches (don't have one in front of me). I agree - design and=20 > adapt to what you need. But operate on the facts. >=20 > Doug >=20 > Adrian Bartholomew wrote: >=20 > > 1---u need PERFECTION onstage. period. reliability is key. who=20 > > wants to be embarrased or have to compromise creativity? anything=20 > > less.... is a "bad" design, whatever the reason. > > 2---if u dont have floorspace for the edp pedal, u wont have it=20 > > for the 1010 either. neither will fit into any conventional=20 > > pedalbox. design and adapt to what u need for ur act. > > > > ___* > > Adrian Bartholomew > > *Leawood KS > > On Aug 31, 2005, at 12:00 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > > > The EDP footpedal isn't badly designed, but it's not perfect. The > > resistance based control method isn't as fragile or error prone as > > you > > might think and it does allow for people to easily make custom > > controllers in different form factors (although few people did so), > > and also allows for easy end-user repair of the foot controller. > > > > Remember that the footpedal design is about ten years old, and there > > were no cheap Behringer MIDI controllers back then. For people that > > want immediate access to the most of the core features of EDP witho= ut > > the programming issues of a MIDI controller and/or who can't spare > > the > > floorspace the Behringer requires, the EDP footcontroller is a very > > useful tool. > > > > It also helps to remember that "stompbox" is a nickname, not an > > operating instruction. > > > > TravisH > > > > On 8/31/02, Adrian Bartholomew wrote: > > > > the edp footpedal is badly designed. i have seen posts that > > suggests > > that it uses different resistances in the switches that the bra= in > > translates to decide which function to perform. dumb idea. > > anything > > could throw that off. dirty switches, interference etc. maybe > > its not > > even debounced adequately as someone also had some luck with > > putting > > capacitance across it. either way its very unreliable. > > frightening to > > depend on onstage. > > all u can do is clean it with contact cleaner and say 3 hail > > marys. > > GET A MIDI FOOTPEDAL. > > the behringer FCB1010 is the choice of most including mine for > > versatility, price and reliability. > > > > ___ > > Adrian Bartholomew > > Leawood KS > > On Aug 31, 2005, at 6:32 AM, Frederik Leroux-Roels wrote: > > > > > > --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 1 02:48:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D737B3BEE8; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 02:48:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JGXxR0l1qBqXG8hdkPUdsFHjLOkJBVl5uBSTEUXYLwTB8r16oaKWTHBPfkUSIbwwIc1PjvYiC9KQ7xp3qHeci9bJnOzFv6xY8EZGe4fiGO/vqa9M+HTQ6Kch2FIos/Ttj4vIV1Jkmm1aP93B32/MnkVcKcMmagVSii8PriTA0dE= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:48:07 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex Footpedal not responding In-Reply-To: <20050901014218.B624CE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050901014218.B624CE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 02:48:09 +0000 (UTC) I don't know what Doug did, but I've been using a Morley ABY switcher with no problems. TravisH On 8/31/05, joe rut wrote: > Hey Doug >=20 > How did you mod your echoplex foot controller to switch between 2 EDPs? = Toggle switch? No false triggers when switching, etc? >=20 >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 1 04:54:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 266E83BEF4; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 04:54:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,159,1122868800"; d="scan'208"; a="76795185:sNHT20297220" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emilet@pop.rcn.com Message-Id: Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 00:44:43 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performances with The Lothars 9.6.05, Somerville, MA Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 04:54:08 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I'll be doing video improv with one of my favorite bands on Tuesday Sept 6. I'll be using midi touch padds to control my video mixers for extra wierdness and (hopefully) musical responsiveness. Come check it out. At 6:51 AM -0500 8/31/05, The Lothars wrote: >Terrastock Reunion in Somerville! > >---------------- > >Tuesday, September 6, Multi-thereminists The Lothars perform with >Sweden's Spacious Mind and Boston's Major Stars for an evening of >Freaking Out, Man! All three bands are veterans of the psychedelic >Terrastock Festivals that have taken place over the last 8 years in >cities from London to San Francisco to Boston. As if that wasn't >freaky enough for you, video artist Dr. T (another Terrastock vet!) >will be working his magic during the Lothars set. > >The location is the humble P.A.'s lounge, 345 Somerville Ave., in >up-and-coming Union Square, Somerville. Doors are at 8pm, The >Lothars go on first at 9pm, and admission is a measly $5. Check out >the newly redesigned P.A.'s Lounge website at >http://www.paslounge.com/ > >Spacious Mind: http://www.delerium.co.uk/bands/spaciousmind/ >Major Stars: http://twistedvillage.com/label.asp >Dr. T: http://www.foryourhead.com/ -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 1 07:08:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 216E83BEF5; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 07:08:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <20050831224453.4980.qmail@web50808.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050831224453.4980.qmail@web50808.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8122BC93-7C91-46AC-87E2-C8191BB3EE1A@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Zurich Loopfest Diary Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 09:08:26 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 07:08:30 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 1, 2005, at 0:44, Wind Stick Devil wrote: > Where can I get a copy of that Pittsburgh recording star Michael > Klobuchar's CD mentioned in your 'diary'? > > W Maybe this will do: If you go to the Festival's web page you will find that many artists own web sites are linked to their names in the performing schedule. Hopefully Klobuchar has a web page where his CD can be ordered. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 1 07:18:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 887283BEF4; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 07:18:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <20050831200156.16AC03BEFF@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050831200156.16AC03BEFF@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <38BF71C5-2E5C-48B9-9B59-F80A6FC681F7@collective.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Os Subject: Re: Zurich Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 08:18:48 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 07:18:57 +0000 (UTC) > Is there a way we could setup sharing photos of the festival with > each other? two ways spring to mind - use a yahoo group. don't know if there's already one for the loopfest - use flickr.com I've just started using flickr e.g. http://www.flickr.com/photos/ 19386144@N00/ os. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 1 13:16:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5F723BEFE; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 13:16:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-4.tower-72.messagelabs.com!1125580604!13914957!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8800@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: overcoming fixed feedback ratios for e.g. DL4 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 14:17:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5AEF7.7D620C60" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 13:16:49 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5AEF7.7D620C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>has anyone ever tried the following: [snip] the loop acts as a feedback loop in addition to the DL4 looper's internal feedback (which is preset to 0.9), only that it's inverse feedback.....<< it's logical, but unfortunately it is based on the assumption that it's possible to invert the phase of the audio simply by reversing the wires in an /unbalanced/ connector. I can see what you're getting at, though. worth a try, but the phase inversion would need to be accomplished by more sophisticated means, like a phase-reverse switch on a mixer. in any case, it's likely that there'd be some degree (NPI) of phase shift & delay between the output of the delay & it's own input, & that you'd likely hear some flanging-type artefacts taking this approach. I have a feeling that the 100% feedback in the DL4's looper mode is accomplished in the digital domain, along with the feedback in the various echo modes; so even if you were to successfully mix in an inverted version of the loop in order to partially erase it, you'd have some flanging artefacts due to the A>D & D>A processes. this is similar to what I do with the repeater- I have the feedback turned down & then send the repeater back into itself via an aux on my mixer. any effects &/or eq on the repeater's mixer channel are thus multiplied into the loop to a degree that I can control by balancing the "mixer" feedback against the repeater's own feedback. some flanging arfefacts do present themselves but are lost in the general melee.... :-) duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5AEF7.7D620C60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: overcoming fixed feedback ratios for e.g. DL4

>>has anyone ever tried the following: [snip] the l= oop acts as a feedback loop in addition to the DL4 looper's internal feedba= ck (which is preset to 0.9), only that it's inverse feedback.....<<

it's logical, but unfortunately it is based on the assump= tion that it's possible to invert the phase of the audio simply by reversin= g the wires in an /unbalanced/ connector.

I can see what you're getting at, though. worth a try, bu= t the phase inversion would need to be accomplished by more sophisticated m= eans, like a phase-reverse switch on a mixer.

in any case, it's likely that there'd be some degree (NPI= ) of phase shift & delay between the output of the delay & it's own= input, & that you'd likely hear some flanging-type artefacts taking th= is approach.

I have a feeling that the 100% feedback in the DL4's loop= er mode is accomplished in the digital domain, along with the feedback in t= he various echo modes; so even if you were to successfully mix in an invert= ed version of the loop in order to partially erase it, you'd have some flan= ging artefacts due to the A>D & D>A processes.

this is similar to what I do with the repeater- I have th= e feedback turned down & then send the repeater back into itself via an= aux on my mixer. any effects &/or eq on the repeater's mixer channel a= re thus multiplied into the loop to a degree that I can control by balancin= g the "mixer" feedback against the repeater's own feedback. some = flanging arfefacts do present themselves but are lost in the general melee.= ... :-)

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C5AEF7.7D620C60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 1 13:22:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7355D3BED8; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 13:22:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Ui2yuXWg49xjFahok8BIYmNkPHhr6AXVsOeJGixhxTaWjwnGyE56UFcMnRx3togWPj7dI/WFdYtTn9INXa9z6UkK4HnT+tXD4cKlQQRiqIyrilVzFqYoj4cXdTrkfRSJ0b+W/F8jHVyyLe6HXaFwcD6AsIs+S/ACLzROST9r6Lo= Message-ID: <250b5234050901062241229db3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 10:22:52 -0300 From: tadeu barboza To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Jam Man Memory Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 13:22:54 +0000 (UTC) I was wondering if anyone could possibily give me a clue. I live in Rio (Brazil) and I was searching for memorys for my Jam Mam, I found 20 pin Zips from Toshiba (9215 HCK TC 514400 AP-80 Japan), is it compatible? I know the models names from the Manual but the vendor said that their are all compatible..Uhhmm..but.... Thanks Everyone KOBNA From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 1 13:53:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEDE73BEFE; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 13:53:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: Jam Man Memory Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 09:54:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <250b5234050901062241229db3@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: AcWu+EJ0HJpse/NLRyynHQ4z4yoo1QABBQtQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20050901135349.716DF3BEF6@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 13:53:50 +0000 (UTC) I have a set currently on eBay ... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7346981253&ssPageNam e=STRK:MESE:IT These are the NEC chips listed in the manual. I'm not familiar with the Toshiba parts. Bill -----Original Message----- From: tadeu barboza [mailto:tbkobna@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 9:23 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Jam Man Memory I was wondering if anyone could possibily give me a clue. I live in Rio (Brazil) and I was searching for memorys for my Jam Mam, I found 20 pin Zips from Toshiba (9215 HCK TC 514400 AP-80 Japan), is it compatible? I know the models names from the Manual but the vendor said that their are all compatible..Uhhmm..but.... Thanks Everyone KOBNA From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 1 14:00:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 029953BF10; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 14:00:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Zurich loopfestival photos Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 15:59:30 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <38BF71C5-2E5C-48B9-9B59-F80A6FC681F7@collective.co.uk> X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:52:30 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.103.136 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 14:00:08 +0000 (UTC) > - use flickr.com good idea Os ... I've just created a 'Loopfestival Zurick 2005' flickr pool. You can set up your own account, upload your images, then join this pool, and make your images available to it. Everybody can upload to the pool, and everybody can look at and comment on images. I have just started and added some of my photos from the loopfestival. Go to http://www.flickr.com/groups/13509629@N00/pool/ -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 1 14:52:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 801BE3BF00; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 14:52:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <6023C09B-99A9-4769-8135-9A5E3FA4EBE0@acedsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Erland Subject: EDP+Logic Problems Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 10:52:22 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 14:52:24 +0000 (UTC) I'm having some problems with the EDP + Logic. EDP is the "master" that Logic is syncing to. Logic seems to want to stop having the sync button pushed in by itself. Record also stops by itself in Logic. It seems to be related to when I hit "record on the EDP. I have tried various settings in Logic. Auto Sync-in, MIDI-Clock Sync... I finally found a decent BPM by setting the EDP to 128. I forget the parameter name as I'm new to the EDP. I'm guess the BPM will be all wrong if I record a different number of bars next time. Any input on this? Any help is appreciated. Thanks, ----------------------------------------------------- erland www.erlandonline.com www.myspace.com/erland From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 1 16:22:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F8893BEF6; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 16:22:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [Flickr] Michael Peters has invited you to join Loopfestival Zurich 2005 From: "Michael Peters (via Flickr)" Reply-To: mp@mpeters.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Message-Id: <20050901162217.AC21682F5@www8.flickr.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 16:22:17 +0000 (UTC) Resent-Message-ID: <9kKoAC.A.iQ.7qyFDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 16:22:19 +0000 (UTC) Hi Looper's Delight, share your Loopfestival Zurich 2005 images! If you would like to join this group, click on the following link (or copy and paste it into your web browser). Then you can see what this group is all about! http://www.flickr.com/welcome/564056/959771/ See you there! Michael Peters p.s. If you are not interested, just ignore this email. Flickr won't bug you again and there's nothing special you have to do. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 1 16:34:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD1593BEE8; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 16:34:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5AF12.D9FB8A08" Subject: Your Top 10 Favorite Guitarists & Samples Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 10:33:14 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01399625@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Your Top 10 Favorite Guitarists & Samples Thread-Index: AcWvEtmSbGtJDpIPSA6ir1ZIBLlmIA== From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Sep 2005 16:33:15.0729 (UTC) FILETIME=[DA565410:01C5AF12] Resent-Message-ID: <79X_TB.A.gx.X2yFDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 16:34:31 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5AF12.D9FB8A08 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ...thought I would send this along, not so much as a show n' tell of my influences and favorites, but a way for me to see what others have on their list, so that I can become acquainted with more music and players. Be sure to include a link to a sound clip if you provide the name...that's the point here. I found most of these clips at Amazon.com. So if you can't play the Real file, go to Amazon and look up the Windows Media version. Kris 1. John Abercrombie Stella by Starlight: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B000025ZX7001002/1/103-39995 07-4687067 (beautiful interpretation of this standard...ver abstract, great drum solo from Pete Erskine, etc) Furs On Ice: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B000025ZX7001001/1/103-39995 07-4687067 (great showcase of the GR-300 guitar synth) Carol's Carol: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B00000DTFY001005/1/103-39605 95-1008640 (beautiful melody with Hammon organ too) How's Never: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B000024J5P001006/1/103-39605 95-1008640 (cool groove and odd time signature) 2. John Stowell (my biggest influence in light of those finger stretched chord voicings, playing the guitar more like a piano player, etc...have taken lessons from him in person, etc) Scenes: http://music.msn.com/album/?album=3D10520480 Banff Sessions: http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/6156039/a/Banff+Sessions.h tm Portland Jazz Jams Interview: http://odeo.com/show/download/77920/4/libsyn.com.media.portlandjazzjams. PJJEpisode04JohnStowell061905.mp3 3. John McLaughlin Jazz Jungle: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B00000471B001006/1/103-39995 07-4687067 (what John himself considered the ideal jazz fusion song...totally savage tune with him using the ring modulator, etc) Take the Coltrane: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B0000046Z2001001/1/103-39995 07-4687067 (wonderful interpretation of this tune with Elvin Jones and Joey Defranceso on Hammon....I love the guitar solo on this 4. Terje Rypdal (probably my all time favorite avant-garde composer...a genius in my mind) Transition: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B0000261KW001007/0/103-49910 88-4165407 Rainbow: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B00000DTE0001006/0/103-49910 88-4165407 Waves: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B0000261JZ001004/1/103-49910 88-4165407 The Return Of Per Ulv: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B000024H5C001001/1/103-49910 88-4165407 5. John Scofield Boozer: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B0000069NM001003/1/103-49910 88-4165407 I'll Take Les: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B000005GWA001001/1/103-49910 88-4165407 Dark Blue: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B000005GWA001002/1/103-49910 88-4165407 Blackout: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B00004RCAR001007/1/103-49910 88-4165407 Acidhead: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B00005RTDC001001/1/103-49910 88-4165407 6 Lorne Lofskey (another unkonwn but outstanding jazz player...uses very him chord voicings and has a great command of the fretboard) All the Things You Are: http://www.lornelofsky.com/audio/allthings.mp3 7. Bill Frisell (need I say anything here?...I love his more abstract/avant-garde work, especially the live CD from Paris) Throughout: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B00000322E001001/1/103-39995 07-4687067 Strange Meeting: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B0000261PQ001006/1/103-39995 07-4687067 8. Tal Farlow (unbelievable jazz guitarist that is not very well known, but influenced all the greats, like Jim Hall, etc) Stella by Starlight: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B0000046YX001015/1/103-39605 95-1008640 (Screamin'!) 9. Pat Metheny Au Lait: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B0000262LA001003/1/103-39605 95-1008640 (my favorite Metheny tune...very touching to me) Bright Sized Life: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B0000261L9001001/1/103-39605 95-1008640 (with Jaco!!!) Giant Steps: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B000046S1F001002/1/103-39605 95-1008640 (damn...) 10. Pat Martino Noshufuru: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B0000014M0001001/1/103-39605 95-1008640 Other favorites that I didn't have time to add: Jeff Beck, Al DiMiola, Ronnie LeTekro (TNT), Paco DeLucia, Kenny Burrell, Joe Pass, Bereli Legrene, Mike Stearn, Jimmy Bruno ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5AF12.D9FB8A08 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Your Top 10 Favorite Guitarists & Samples

…thought I would send this along, = not so much as a show n' tell of my influences and favorites, but a way = for me to see what others have on their list, so that I can become = acquainted with more music and players. Be sure to include a link to a = sound clip if you provide the name…that's the point here.  I = found most of these clips at Amazon.com. So if you can’t play the = Real file, go to Amazon and look up the Windows Media = version.

Kris


1. John Abercrombie

Stella by Starlight: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B000025ZX70010= 02/1/103-3999507-4687067 = (beautiful interpretation of this standard…ver abstract, great = drum solo from Pete Erskine, etc)

Furs On Ice: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B000025ZX70010= 01/1/103-3999507-4687067 = (great showcase of the GR-300 guitar synth)

Carol's Carol: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B00000DTFY0010= 05/1/103-3960595-1008640 = (beautiful melody with Hammon organ too)

How's Never: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B000024J5P0010= 06/1/103-3960595-1008640 = (cool groove and odd time signature)

2. John Stowell (my biggest = influence in light of those finger stretched chord voicings, playing the = guitar more like a piano player, etc...have taken lessons from him in = person, etc)

Scenes: http://music.msn.com/album/?album=3D10520480
Banff Sessions: http://www.cduniverse.com/search/xx/music/pid/6156039/a/Ba= nff+Sessions.htm
Portland Jazz Jams Interview: = http://odeo.com/show/download/77920/4/libsyn.com.media.por= tlandjazzjams.PJJEpisode04JohnStowell061905.mp3

3. John McLaughlin

Jazz Jungle: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B00000471B0010= 06/1/103-3999507-4687067 = (what John himself considered the ideal jazz fusion song…totally = savage tune with him using the ring modulator, etc)

Take the Coltrane: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B0000046Z20010= 01/1/103-3999507-4687067 = (wonderful interpretation of this tune with Elvin Jones and Joey = Defranceso on Hammon….I love the guitar solo on this


4. Terje Rypdal (probably  my = all time favorite avant-garde composer…a genius in my = mind)

Transition: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B0000261KW0010= 07/0/103-4991088-4165407
Rainbow: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B00000DTE00010= 06/0/103-4991088-4165407
Waves: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B0000261JZ0010= 04/1/103-4991088-4165407
The Return Of Per Ulv:  = http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B000024H5C0010= 01/1/103-4991088-4165407

5. John Scofield

Boozer: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B0000069NM0010= 03/1/103-4991088-4165407
I'll Take Les: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B000005GWA0010= 01/1/103-4991088-4165407
Dark Blue: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B000005GWA0010= 02/1/103-4991088-4165407
Blackout: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B00004RCAR0010= 07/1/103-4991088-4165407
Acidhead: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B00005RTDC0010= 01/1/103-4991088-4165407

6 Lorne Lofskey (another unkonwn but = outstanding jazz player…uses very him chord voicings and has a = great command of the fretboard)

All the Things You Are: http://www.lornelofsky.com/audio/allthings.mp3<= /A>

7. Bill Frisell (need I say anything = here?...I love his more abstract/avant-garde work, especially the live = CD from Paris)

Throughout: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B00000322E0010= 01/1/103-3999507-4687067
Strange Meeting: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B0000261PQ0010= 06/1/103-3999507-4687067

8. Tal Farlow (unbelievable jazz = guitarist that is not very well known, but influenced all the greats, = like Jim Hall, etc)

Stella by Starlight: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B0000046YX0010= 15/1/103-3960595-1008640 = (Screamin'!)

9. Pat Metheny

Au Lait: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B0000262LA0010= 03/1/103-3960595-1008640 = (my favorite Metheny tune…very touching to me)

Bright Sized Life: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B0000261L90010= 01/1/103-3960595-1008640 = (with Jaco!!!)
Giant Steps: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B000046S1F0010= 02/1/103-3960595-1008640 = (damn…)

10.   Pat = Martino

Noshufuru: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clipserve/B0000014M00010= 01/1/103-3960595-1008640

Other favorites that I didn't have = time to add: Jeff Beck, Al DiMiola, Ronnie LeTekro (TNT), Paco DeLucia, = Kenny Burrell, Joe Pass, Bereli Legrene, Mike Stearn, Jimmy = Bruno

------_=_NextPart_001_01C5AF12.D9FB8A08-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 1 17:01:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D4573BEF6; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 17:01:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005001c5af16$c1412320$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <6023C09B-99A9-4769-8135-9A5E3FA4EBE0@acedsl.com> Subject: Re: EDP+Logic Problems Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 19:01:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 17:01:20 +0000 (UTC) do it the other way: sync the edp to logic no audio recorder can adjust to the even very small wandering of a midi clock sync (no bug-normal) set your EDP to sync in and set logic to send midi clock out of the relevant midi port sorry I dont know logic so..... Claude > I'm having some problems with the EDP + Logic. EDP is the "master" that > Logic is syncing to. Logic seems to want to stop having the sync button > pushed in by itself. > Record also stops by itself in Logic. It seems to be related to when I > hit "record on the EDP. I have tried various settings in Logic. Auto > Sync-in, MIDI-Clock Sync... > > I finally found a decent BPM by setting the EDP to 128. I forget the > parameter name as I'm new to the EDP. I'm guess the BPM will be all wrong > if I record a different number of bars next time. Any input on this? > > Any help is appreciated. > > Thanks, > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > erland > > www.erlandonline.com > www.myspace.com/erland > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 1 18:34:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F9183BF01; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 18:34:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" , "Per Boysen" Subject: RE: [Flickr] Michael Peters has invited you to join Loopfestival Zurich 2005 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 20:34:35 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6158BD27-FB99-4F7B-A2E4-616BE73504AC@boysen.se> X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Thu, 01 Sep 2005 20:27:35 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.103.136 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 18:34:44 +0000 (UTC) FlickR still seems to be in a beta stage :-) Try this link: http://www.flickr.com/groups/13509629@N00/ > > http://www.flickr.com/welcome/564056/959771/ > > > I'm sorry, but that page says: > "Page not found, Oops! Looks like you followed a bad link." > > per ;-) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 1 18:41:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA77E3BEFB; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 18:41:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" , "Per Boysen" Subject: RE: [Flickr] Michael Peters has invited you to join Loopfestival Zurich 2005 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 20:40:09 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6158BD27-FB99-4F7B-A2E4-616BE73504AC@boysen.se> X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Thu, 01 Sep 2005 20:33:10 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.103.136 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 18:41:13 +0000 (UTC) >> Try this link: http://www.flickr.com/groups/13509629@N00/ and then sign in with your Yahoo ID ... for some reason you see more images then ... -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 1 19:43:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDA6D3BEFA; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 19:43:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004401c5af2d$7c7f3df0$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8800@lon-oxmail02> Subject: Re: overcoming fixed feedback ratios for e.g. DL4 Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 15:40:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01C5AF0B.89F9AEB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 19:43:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C5AF0B.89F9AEB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: overcoming fixed feedback ratios for e.g. DL4>this is similar to = what I do with the repeater- I have the feedback turned down & then send = the repeater back into itself via an aux on my mixer. any=20 >effects &/or eq on the repeater's mixer channel are thus multiplied = into the loop to a degree that I can control by balancing the "mixer" = feedback against=20 >the repeater's own feedback. some flanging arfefacts do present = themselves but are lost in the general melee.... :-) I do something sort of like that with my setup. I have a set of delays = on each of the AUX sends out of my mixer and I run the outputs of those = back into the channels on the mixer, I can then send them back around to = the same set of delays, or to the other. If I get it set just right, = it'll play and evolve and do weird stuff for hours. It looks sort of like this Instrument input -> mixer -> Aux 1 -> Digitech 2 sec DDL -> Adrenalinn = -> DL4 -> mixer channel 1/2 | -> Aux 2 -> Arion Stereo = Delay -> RC20XL -> DD20 GigaDelay -> mixer channel 3/4 I can then send channel 1/2 to aux 2 and channel 3/4 to aux 1 and around = and around she goes... feedback heaven. Tony ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C5AF0B.89F9AEB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: overcoming fixed feedback ratios for e.g. = DL4
>this is similar to what I do with the repeater- = I have the=20 feedback turned down & then send the repeater back into itself via = an aux on=20 my mixer. any
>effects &/or eq on the repeater's mixer = channel are=20 thus multiplied into the loop to a degree that I can control by = balancing the=20 "mixer" feedback against
>the repeater's own feedback. some flanging = arfefacts do=20 present themselves but are lost in the general melee.... = :-)
 
I do something sort of like that with my = setup.  I have a=20 set of delays on each of the AUX sends out of my mixer and I run the = outputs of=20 those back into the channels on the mixer, I can then send them back = around to=20 the same set of delays, or to the other.  If I get it set just = right, it'll=20 play and evolve and do weird stuff for hours.
 
It looks sort of like this
 
Instrument input -> mixer -> Aux 1 -> = Digitech 2 sec=20 DDL -> Adrenalinn -> DL4 -> mixer channel 1/2
          &nbs= p;            = ;            =          =20 |
          &nbs= p;            = ;            =          =20 -> Aux 2 -> Arion Stereo Delay -> RC20XL -> DD20 GigaDelay = ->=20 mixer channel 3/4
 
I can then send channel 1/2 to aux 2 and channel 3/4 = to aux 1=20 and around and around she goes...
 
 
feedback heaven.
 
Tony
------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C5AF0B.89F9AEB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 1 22:54:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3031B3BEFC; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 22:54:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "muman" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:53:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: EDP Noise Problem Message-ID: <43172412.31679.2661938@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 22:54:02 +0000 (UTC) Hello all, After every loop, my EDP makes a quiet thunk sound. I have Loop IV and have the memory maxed out. I think it's an early generation machine. Anyone have any suggestions?Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 1 23:25:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 152933BF00; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 23:25:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Nvk4/X/BnMcujyB9Dg5nYdmm6p3xLDcFlzISHPrVe6Un/41363l1Y8RsoJOUSQ2ukGNos8hDSt8lWCKN51F4VhUoTljb6aMgjBvydZQSRzrWaRJ/gALWRzk3RdsLOSirz1xngYIvTCmwxW0ZCJgdvs+5x6YT9wyiIsS4B1XWCUs= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 16:25:38 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Noise Problem In-Reply-To: <43172412.31679.2661938@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <43172412.31679.2661938@localhost> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 23:25:39 +0000 (UTC) On my oldest EDP I sometimes get a click type sound at the the end of a loop. I've never been able to isolate it, and it's not common, but a long record almost always fixed it. I'd always suspected it was related to bad power at the venue, but I was never in a situation where I could test it. What controller are you using? On 9/1/05, muman wrote: > Hello all, > After every loop, my EDP makes a quiet thunk sound. I have Loop IV and ha= ve the > memory maxed out. I think it's an early generation machine. >=20 > Anyone have any suggestions?Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter >=20 >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 1 23:38:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50FAB3BEFE; Thu, 1 Sep 2005 23:38:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "muman" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 16:38:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: EDP Noise Problem Message-ID: <43172E95.23149.28F29C1@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <43172412.31679.2661938@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 23:38:53 +0000 (UTC) I'm using the EDP controller. I just realized that it's the slave of brother sync and haven't tested it to see if that might be part of it. > On my oldest EDP I sometimes get a click type sound at the the end of > a loop. I've never been able to isolate it, and it's not common, but > a long record almost always fixed it. I'd always suspected it was > related to bad power at the venue, but I was never in a situation > where I could test it. > > What controller are you using? > > On 9/1/05, muman wrote: > > Hello all, > > After every loop, my EDP makes a quiet thunk sound. I have Loop IV > > and have the memory maxed out. I think it's an early generation > > machine. > > > > Anyone have any suggestions?Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter > > > > > > > > > > Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 2 06:41:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DF583BEF9; Fri, 2 Sep 2005 06:41:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [62.255.52.34] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth.whitcock" To: References: <06f301c5ae77$98128920$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: Zurich Loopfest - thanks Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 07:40:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 06:41:52 +0000 (UTC) Thank you Bernhard - what a triumph! Great to see old mates and make new ones. Gareth & Becky From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 2 07:40:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59CE53BEFB; Fri, 2 Sep 2005 07:40:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 7dca4331413b423a5df4d51ae5200448 Received-SPF: none (bucavu.terra.com.br: 200.176.10.6 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of grob.org) client-ip=200.176.10.6; envelope-from=matthias@grob.org; helo=[194.230.233.230]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <06f301c5ae77$98128920$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <06f301c5ae77$98128920$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 02:57:55 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Zurich Loopfestival comments Cc: Michael Schiefel Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 07:40:55 +0000 (UTC) Rick said >I just got home from the Zurich loopfest, I had a fantastic time >and feel so inspired to create and so turned on to new techniques >and ideas that I saw at the show, at the workshops yeah... that worked well in the space that studio owner Simon Grab offered! I had this in mind for a long while but did not know how to do it, so Bernhard asked Simon > and just jamming a lot (with Andy, Per, Bernhard, Michael, Thomas, >Rolf, Matthias and Bill). yes, that was incredible, Per and Andy used every object they found and Tom did the Didj... no electronic loops, but music that comes from the loop inspiration it seemed to me... the freedom we learned to enjoy, and when we come together we are enought to play it all by hand... > Michael Shieffel's fantastic show Schiefel works better: http://schiefel.de/ >also was the coolest multiple use of the EDP that I have seen so >far. He has mapped all the functions out to a midi keyboard and did >a wonderful, spontaneous, funny, moving and beautiful set with just >his voice. Astonishing. Yes, I consider him the most advanced EDP composer I know... plus maybe the best skilled singer I know and an easy going, helpful companion... but there was a lot of talent at the festival all over! I would like to mention Andre Müller who sold the most CDs with his very appealing stick playing and Matthias Loibner who surprised with the powerfull use of his historic instrument and Andy Buttler who did the most perfect presentation (although he complained about things that went wrong) yet still very alive and moving... :-) A general impression was that very skilled musicians had a fight with their equipment. Almost each one had technical problems and sometimes could not hide them or we felt the nervosity. Thats a pity and leaves the impression that looping is not a professional method, while probably it mostly comes from the lack of a sound check. I dont have a solution, though... I was once more amazed how all these people that hardly know each other smothly worked together, without masks... well, maybe a football team can come together just as easily... but maybe not quite? I would like to repeat a sentence that came to me at the microphone at the end of the event: "By looping we learn to play with ourselves and thus to play with others" Maybe we learn to send out more energy of a kind that we like to receive as well... or at least we can understand better how others react to us? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 2 18:35:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 573E33BEFB; Fri, 2 Sep 2005 18:35:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43189B12.6080107@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 14:33:54 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AIMusic Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List , Galactic Travels Yahoogroup , WDIY Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #440 for August 25, 2005 and Playlist #441 for September 1, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 18:35:56 +0000 (UTC) Two playlists for the price of one... ;-) === http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/050825.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #440 August 25, 2005 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Audentity" (disc one of a two disc set) on InsideOut's Revisited imprint. This Deluxe Edition includes the original tracks from 1983 (remastered) with a few bonus tracks on disc two. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Vapor Trails" by Mark Isham on Windham Hill Records, released in 1983. Klaus Schulze - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#aug PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Mark Isham Many Chinas Vapor Trails (Windham Hill) Transceive Intrigue Intrigue (Champagne Lake) Wendy Carlos Bumps in the Night Rediscovering Lost Scores Vol. 1 (East Side Digital) VA [Pyramid Peak] Flowing with the Birds E-dition #8 (Groove) Falling You Something About Eve Touch (Magnatune) Paul Ellis Dialing in the Sun Silent Conversations (Groove) 12:00 am Klaus Schulze Cellistica Audentity - disc 1 (Revisited) Klaus Schulze Spielglocken Audentity - disc 1 (Revisited) Klaus Schulze Sebastian im Traum Audentity - disc 1 (Revisited) Shane Sanders The Dispatch of Jellyfish Emperor (Space for Tentacles Music) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on Ken Martin. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Crystal Voyage" on Space for Music Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Epsilon in Malaysian Pale" by Edgar Froese on Virgin Records and released in 1975. === http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/050901.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #441 September 1, 2005 RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on Ken Martin. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Crystal Voyage" on Space for Music Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Epsilon in Malaysian Pale" by Edgar Froese on Virgin Records, released in 1975. Ken Martin - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#sep PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Edgar Froese Maroubra Bay * Epsilon in Malaysia Pale (Virgin) VA Snap to Focus Arcs & Angels (Atomic City) Astrogator part two The Darkness Between (none) Austere & Abstract exo-bio Evergone (none) Audio Systems Archetribe Womb Waterworks (Stretta) 12:00 am Ken Martin Crystal Voyage Crystal Voyage (Space for Music) Ken Martin Frequenct .018 Crystal Voyage (Space for Music) Ken Martin Solar Void Crystal Voyage (Space for Music) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Ken Martin. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Spheres" on Space for Music Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the soundtrack LP "Angst" by Klaus Schulze on Inteam Records and released in 1984. Bill =============================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4:00 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Service Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 2 18:38:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0C083BF01; Fri, 2 Sep 2005 18:38:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Adrian West" To: Subject: Gigspam - Bay Area Shows Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 11:39:04 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 18:38:40 +0000 (UTC) Hello Fellow Loopists, I do live looping using a six-string electric violin, electric mandolin, beatboxing and vocals. Samples of my work are at www.adrianwest.com. I wanted to let you know about a couple of shows coming up in the SF Bay Area (see below). Thanks, and keep on loopin'! Adrian West www.adrianwest.com ------------------------ Sunday Sept. 4th from 10:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. Playing during brunch at the Nomad Cafe in Oakland 6500 Shattuck, Oakland, CA - 510-595-5344 - www.nomadcafe.net Sunday Sept. 11th from 1:00 - 2:00 Solano Ave. Stroll - big annual street festival in Berkeley http://solanoavenueassn.org/strol.htm I'll be playing near 1545 Solano Ave Tuesday Sept 20th from 12:00 - 1:00 Sonoma State College (outside in the quad) Friday Nov. 4th from 7:30 - 9:30 Dolores Park Cafe in SF Corner of 18th St. and Dolores - 415-621-2936 - www.doloresparkcafe.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 3 03:04:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 751803BEF3; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 03:04:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Liz Holland" To: Subject: Anyone selling old DOD rack gear? Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 23:04:33 -0400 Message-ID: <001801c5b034$39511410$460fa8c0@GraphicRage> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0019_01C5B012.B23F7410" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 03:04:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C5B012.B23F7410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Looking for the following specifically, but would entertain anything else you might have! 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Looking for the following specifically, but would = entertain anything else you might have!

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C5B012.B23F7410-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 3 07:23:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12A343BEF8; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 07:23:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,165,1122850800"; d="scan'208"; a="6367236:sNHT19107431" Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050903081522.02de2110@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 08:17:26 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Fwd: No-Man album with Fripp looping on it In-Reply-To: <20050901183444.167F23BF07@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050901183444.167F23BF07@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 07:23:37 +0000 (UTC) >* No-Man - Flowermouth (2005 edition) > >No-Man's second album Flowermouth (1994) has been re-mastered and >re-packaged with improved artwork and extra tracks. > >Featuring strong performances from the band aided by a dream list of >collaborators including Robert Fripp (on 9 of the 11 tracks), Steve Jansen >and Richard Barbieri, Flowermouth combines symphonic ambition, electro-pop >drama and classic ballad traditions, suggesting directions that the band >would develop further on 'Returning Jesus' and Together We're Stranger'. > >This new edition of the album comes with improved digi-pack artwork, new >sleeve notes and two extra tracks (Angeldust and Born Simple) featuring >Robert Fripp's distinctive Soundscape contributions to the album sessions. > >All pre-orders come with a postcard signed by the band. > >Released on 26/9/2005 - Pre-order now from www.burningshed.com for =A39.00 >(including VAT). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 3 10:08:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCC193BEE8; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 10:08:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=O5seLACWdMRxju3ux28bsxlQlpeWVDJcOR5/ZzvlmG09spLyvimTYaodaRhExwude0hxm1d5e7kxESLgexbDcHoNkpw6IK52MaNOuP7hpycrBu7MWdPmv/au7Dyb7ztWx6a7a2LSEiJlj5KXXUbKffLOdo6ryP8Y0uBlCRZGo4k= ; Message-ID: <20050903100806.98765.qmail@web25306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 11:08:06 +0100 (BST) From: Stuart Masters Subject: Live vocal loopers..? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2090394980-1125742086=:96591" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <9yOjDC.A.29H.IYXGDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 10:08:08 +0000 (UTC) --0-2090394980-1125742086=:96591 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, I'm new here and relatively new to looping so hope this is what the mailing list is suposed to be for - sorry! Anyway, would be really grateful if anyone could answer a question I have... I have a boss rc20xl which I was planning to use for the guitar but ending up using for vocal loops... I was thinking of getting the latest akai headrush to use for the guitar but my dilemma is this... Is there a better live, foot-operated vocal looper than using a boss rc20xl? If so, I'd rather relegate the boss to the guitar department and get a more suitable vocal looper... Thanks, Stuart --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail --0-2090394980-1125742086=:96591 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hello,
 
I'm new here and relatively new to looping so hope this is what the mailing list is suposed to be for - sorry!
 
Anyway, would be really grateful if anyone could answer a question I have... I have a boss rc20xl which I was planning to use for the guitar but ending up using for vocal loops... I was thinking of getting the latest akai headrush to use for the guitar but my dilemma is this... Is there a better live, foot-operated vocal looper than using a boss rc20xl? If so, I'd rather relegate the boss to the guitar department and get a more suitable vocal looper...
 
Thanks,
 
Stuart

Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail --0-2090394980-1125742086=:96591-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 3 11:46:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17EDA3BEFB; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 11:46:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Remote-IP: 213.191.142.123 X-Remote-IP: 213.191.138.28 From: "ivan kapec" To: Subject: zurich photos Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 13:46:57 +0200 Message-ID: <000301c5b07d$30fe4d20$1c8abfd5@epi741531r1soi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C5B08D.F488A3C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <44Q0P.A.bFC.y0YGDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 11:46:59 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C5B08D.F488A3C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, =20 In consideration about loopfestival=85 =20 Once again, thanks Bernhard for organization of such importan event. We had lot of good music, new sounds and of course, lot of fun. There were lot of good vibes and ideas for future collaboration beetween musicians=85 =20 Here are some photos from the festival> =20 http://www.triangulizona.com/Egallery.htm =20 =20 Thanks, also to all loopers who came in Zurich to share his experiences and musicianship with other. =20 Best regards, =20 =20 ivan kapec ivan@triangulizona.com www.triangulizona.com =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C5B08D.F488A3C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello all,

 

In consideration about loopfestival=85

 

Once again, thanks Bernhard for organization of such importan event. We had = lot of good music, new sounds and of course,=A0 lot of fun.

There were lot of good vibes and ideas for future collaboration beetween = musicians=85

 

Here are some photos from the festival>

 

http://www.triangulizo= na.com/Egallery.htm

 

 

Thanks, also to all loopers who came in Zurich to share his experiences and musicianship with other.

 

Best regards,

 

 

ivan = kapec

ivan@triangulizona.com<= /font>

www.triangulizona.com

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C5B08D.F488A3C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 3 11:55:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0233F3BEF6; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 11:55:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Live vocal loopers..? Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 13:56:46 +0200 Message-ID: <000401c5b07e$8f9f3230$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20050903100806.98765.qmail@web25306.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_TIFjC.A.MUC.z8YGDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 11:55:31 +0000 (UTC) The short version: foot-operated loopers have been discussed here to a great extent, especially recently in the "flexible looper in small package" thread. Second: what do you expect from a "vocal looper"? Is it basically a looper with a mic input ('cause you don't have a mixer or micpre in your setup), or do you request other properties as well? I'm only aware of two floor loopers with a mic in: the RC-20XL (which you already know) and the Digitech Jamman. (again, search the archives on the www.loopers-delight.com website for descriptions of those; I don't have any experience with those myself). Floor loopers I'm aware of: Digitech PDS series (vintage): basically delays, so not really what you want to have if you e.g. want to specifiy loop lengths "on the fly" (like you do with the RC20). Max. delay time of 8s (PDS8000) Line6 DL4: nice delay effects. loop time 14s, or 28s halfspeed. Preset feedback. additional short (800ms) delay with the looper. Halfspeed and reverse option. This is quite a powerful thing. Boss DD-20: again, a delay with thrown-in looper. Boomerang: the most powerful of the floor-stuff if I'm not mistaken. Boss RC-20/RC-20XL: you know those better than I do... Digitech Jamman: huge loads of loop time. Mic in. Digitech GNX4 (?): basically a guitar floorboard with a looper in it. (did I leave anything out?) I was currently thinking aloud about a floor-based looper setup with two loopers and am close to decide on the RC-20XL and the DD-20, if that helps. Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Stuart Masters [mailto:stuartamasters@yahoo.co.uk]=20 Gesendet: Samstag, 3. September 2005 12:08 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Live vocal loopers..? Hello, I'm new here and relatively new to looping so hope this is what the mailing list is suposed to be for - sorry! Anyway, would be really grateful if anyone could answer a question I have... I have a boss rc20xl which I was planning to use for the guitar but ending up using for vocal loops... I was thinking of getting the latest akai headrush to use for the guitar but my dilemma is this... Is there a better live, foot-operated vocal looper than using a boss rc20xl? If so, I'd rather relegate the boss to the guitar department and get a more suitable vocal looper... Thanks, Stuart Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 3 13:01:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 128093BEFB; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 13:01:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,165,1122850800"; d="scan'208"; a="9998524:sNHT18852127" Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050903135057.02dc3780@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 13:55:10 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: Zurich Loopfestival comments In-Reply-To: <20050903114659.A1A1E3BEFE@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050903114659.A1A1E3BEFE@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <8JWA4D.A.pxD.f6ZGDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 13:01:20 +0000 (UTC) >Andy Buttler who did the most perfect presentation (although he >complained about things that went wrong) yet still very alive and >moving... :-) I wasn't complaining, just that I surprised myself with a couple of unwise button pushes. Somehow the EDP kept it flowing anyway. I might complain about your spelling though ;-) andy buTLer ps. yep Michaels EDP use had me (wrongly) thinking there were pre-recorded samples involved. ...very impressive. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 3 13:11:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 499823BEF1; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 13:11:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000c01c5b089$06d44570$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <20050903114659.A1A1E3BEFE@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20050903135057.02dc3780@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Re:Re: Zurich Loopfestival comments Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 15:11:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 13:11:47 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "a k butler" To: Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 2:55 PM Subject: Re:Re: Zurich Loopfestival comments > >>Andy Buttler who did the most perfect presentation (although he complained >>about things that went wrong) yet still very alive and moving... :-) > > > I wasn't complaining, just that I surprised myself with a couple of unwise > button pushes. Somehow the EDP kept it flowing anyway. > > I might complain about your spelling though ;-) > > andy buTLer > > ps. yep Michaels EDP use had me (wrongly) thinking there were pre-recorded > samples involved. > ...very impressive. > Andy's EDP use made me think the same: suddenly a new phrase is in the loop comming from nowhere this is confirmed by listening to his beatiful CD "livelooping" there are still sooo many things to learn in EDP playing Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 3 16:21:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 350EB3BEE4; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 16:21:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 12:20:55 -0400 Subject: For Sale: MPX G2 with R1, PC300 midi keyboard controller From: todd reynolds To: LD Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3208594858_6809729" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 16:21:03 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3208594858_6809729 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Going up on Ebay soon, but wanted to sell them here first. Lexicon MPX G2 with R1 pedal sold at $850 or best offer. Roland PC300 midi keyboard controller $75 Any takers email me offlist at the address below! todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn --B_3208594858_6809729 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable For Sale:  MPX G2 with R1, PC300 midi keyboard controller</TITL= E> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D"Palatino"><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:14.0px'>Going up on Ebay soon,= but wanted to sell them here first.<BR> <BR> Lexicon MPX G2 with R1 pedal  sold at $850 or best offer.<BR> <BR> Roland PC300 midi keyboard controller $75<BR> <BR> Any takers email me offlist at the address below!<BR> <BR> <BR> </SPAN><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:12.0px'><BR> todd@toddreynolds.com<BR> 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less)<BR> AIM ID: toddreyn<BR> <BR> </SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE=3D"4"><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:18.0px'><BR> </SPAN></FONT><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:14.0px'><BR> </SPAN></FONT> </BODY> </HTML> --B_3208594858_6809729-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 3 18:23:04 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B42FC3BEE8; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:23:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <soam@acedsl.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 14:22:57 -0400 From: Erland <soam@acedsl.com> Subject: Re: EDP+Logic Problems In-reply-to: <005001c5af16$c1412320$0400000a@mini> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <6AFA3188-D807-467E-B2F1-E447BAA86408@acedsl.com> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 References: <6023C09B-99A9-4769-8135-9A5E3FA4EBE0@acedsl.com> <005001c5af16$c1412320$0400000a@mini> Resent-Message-ID: <M-_xf.A.C7E.IoeGDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/52731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:23:04 +0000 (UTC) But I would like Logic to pick up the BPM of my loops for easy editing later. I read on here that the EDP is the best to use as a master sync as opposed to the Repeater which is better in slave mode. Thanks.. ----------------------------------------------------- erland www.erlandonline.com www.myspace.com/erland On Sep 1, 2005, at 1:01 PM, Claude Voit wrote: > do it the other way: sync the edp to logic > no audio recorder can adjust to the even very small wandering of a > midi clock sync (no bug-normal) > > set your EDP to sync in and set logic to send midi clock out of the > relevant midi port > > sorry I dont know logic so..... > > Claude > > > > > > > > > >> I'm having some problems with the EDP + Logic. EDP is the >> "master" that Logic is syncing to. Logic seems to want to stop >> having the sync button pushed in by itself. >> Record also stops by itself in Logic. It seems to be related to >> when I hit "record on the EDP. I have tried various settings in >> Logic. Auto Sync-in, MIDI-Clock Sync... >> >> I finally found a decent BPM by setting the EDP to 128. I forget >> the parameter name as I'm new to the EDP. I'm guess the BPM will >> be all wrong if I record a different number of bars next time. >> Any input on this? >> >> Any help is appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> >> ----------------------------------------------------- >> >> erland >> >> www.erlandonline.com >> www.myspace.com/erland >> >> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 3 18:44:18 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07DF33BEE4; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:44:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <c.voit@vtx.ch> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00a901c5b0b7$7de3c4f0$0201a8c0@mini> Reply-To: "Claude Voit" <c.voit@vtx.ch> From: "Claude Voit" <c.voit@vtx.ch> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> References: <6023C09B-99A9-4769-8135-9A5E3FA4EBE0@acedsl.com> <005001c5af16$c1412320$0400000a@mini> <6AFA3188-D807-467E-B2F1-E447BAA86408@acedsl.com> Subject: Re: EDP+Logic Problems Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 20:44:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: <rJ7j6D.A.mjF.B8eGDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/52732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 18:44:17 +0000 (UTC) Edp is better as a master sync if the slave is _only_ a midi slave. If its an audio slave (you are going to record audio in logic) logic cannot sync his audio engine to an imprecise clock (midi clock _IS_ imprecise by design). Claude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erland" <soam@acedsl.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 8:22 PM Subject: Re: EDP+Logic Problems > But I would like Logic to pick up the BPM of my loops for easy editing > later. I read on here that the EDP is the best to use as a master sync as > opposed to the Repeater which is better in slave mode. > > Thanks.. > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > erland > > www.erlandonline.com > www.myspace.com/erland > > > On Sep 1, 2005, at 1:01 PM, Claude Voit wrote: > > >> do it the other way: sync the edp to logic >> no audio recorder can adjust to the even very small wandering of a midi >> clock sync (no bug-normal) >> >> set your EDP to sync in and set logic to send midi clock out of the >> relevant midi port >> >> sorry I dont know logic so..... >> >> Claude >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> I'm having some problems with the EDP + Logic. EDP is the "master" >>> that Logic is syncing to. Logic seems to want to stop having the sync >>> button pushed in by itself. >>> Record also stops by itself in Logic. It seems to be related to when >>> I hit "record on the EDP. I have tried various settings in Logic. Auto >>> Sync-in, MIDI-Clock Sync... >>> >>> I finally found a decent BPM by setting the EDP to 128. I forget the >>> parameter name as I'm new to the EDP. I'm guess the BPM will be all >>> wrong if I record a different number of bars next time. Any input on >>> this? >>> >>> Any help is appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> erland >>> >>> www.erlandonline.com >>> www.myspace.com/erland >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 3 19:31:04 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B05153BEDB; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 19:31:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <per@boysen.se> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <6AFA3188-D807-467E-B2F1-E447BAA86408@acedsl.com> References: <6023C09B-99A9-4769-8135-9A5E3FA4EBE0@acedsl.com> <005001c5af16$c1412320$0400000a@mini> <6AFA3188-D807-467E-B2F1-E447BAA86408@acedsl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <36599763-CA0D-4BDE-9CA1-664875D75987@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen <per@boysen.se> Subject: Re: EDP+Logic Problems Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 21:31:00 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: <uidh8C.A.nYB.4nfGDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/52733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 19:31:04 +0000 (UTC) Hi Erland, Once upon a time I succeeded to run Logic as the slave to my EDP, while recording both audio and MIDI into Logic. But that was on a 5.something PC version of Logic. When I was not able do that again in later Logic versions (mostly using Mac OS X now) I discussed it with Emagic and was told that it's not possible. For the latest productions I have done with Logic and EDP I have therefore been slaving the EDP to Logic (or Live) by MIDI clock, which works flawlessly. For me this all comes down to what I want to do musically. If I want the global tempo of my looping rig to go up and down with the EDP's speed button I run the EDP as the master. This also gives me the option to set the tempo by the first EDP loop created. But quite often I like to make funny noises with my EDP by jumping between half speed and normal speed while in overdubbing mode. Then it would not sound good if the tempo should also jump 100 or 50 percent ;-) and it makes perfect sense to run the EDP as the slave. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen On Sep 3, 2005, at 20:22, Erland wrote: > But I would like Logic to pick up the BPM of my loops for easy > editing later. I read on here that the EDP is the best to use as a > master sync as opposed to the Repeater which is better in slave mode. > > Thanks.. > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > erland > > www.erlandonline.com > www.myspace.com/erland > > > On Sep 1, 2005, at 1:01 PM, Claude Voit wrote: > > > >> do it the other way: sync the edp to logic >> no audio recorder can adjust to the even very small wandering of a >> midi clock sync (no bug-normal) >> >> set your EDP to sync in and set logic to send midi clock out of >> the relevant midi port >> >> sorry I dont know logic so..... >> >> Claude >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> I'm having some problems with the EDP + Logic. EDP is the >>> "master" that Logic is syncing to. Logic seems to want to stop >>> having the sync button pushed in by itself. >>> Record also stops by itself in Logic. It seems to be related to >>> when I hit "record on the EDP. I have tried various settings in >>> Logic. Auto Sync-in, MIDI-Clock Sync... >>> >>> I finally found a decent BPM by setting the EDP to 128. I forget >>> the parameter name as I'm new to the EDP. I'm guess the BPM will >>> be all wrong if I record a different number of bars next time. >>> Any input on this? >>> >>> Any help is appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> erland >>> >>> www.erlandonline.com >>> www.myspace.com/erland >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 3 20:48:02 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D2893BEDB; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 20:48:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <soam@acedsl.com> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 16:47:55 -0400 From: Erland <soam@acedsl.com> Subject: Re: EDP+Logic Problems In-reply-to: <36599763-CA0D-4BDE-9CA1-664875D75987@boysen.se> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4E8A07AB-2807-4738-9988-F8B11734997A@acedsl.com> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 References: <6023C09B-99A9-4769-8135-9A5E3FA4EBE0@acedsl.com> <005001c5af16$c1412320$0400000a@mini> <6AFA3188-D807-467E-B2F1-E447BAA86408@acedsl.com> <36599763-CA0D-4BDE-9CA1-664875D75987@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: <JRbUaD.A.yHD.BwgGDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/52734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 20:48:02 +0000 (UTC) Hey Per, I guess I have to figure out another way to work with this then. =20 Perhaps I'll see how it works with Live. I don't absolutely need the =20 tempo to be updated. It would be nice just to get it to display the =20 right BPM. Tack s=E5 mycket, ----------------------------------------------------- erland www.erlandonline.com www.myspace.com/erland On Sep 3, 2005, at 3:31 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi Erland, > > Once upon a time I succeeded to run Logic as the slave to my EDP, =20 > while recording both audio and MIDI into Logic. But that was on a =20 > 5.something PC version of Logic. When I was not able do that again =20 > in later Logic versions (mostly using Mac OS X now) I discussed it =20 > with Emagic and was told that it's not possible. For the latest =20 > productions I have done with Logic and EDP I have therefore been =20 > slaving the EDP to Logic (or Live) by MIDI clock, which works =20 > flawlessly. > > For me this all comes down to what I want to do musically. If I =20 > want the global tempo of my looping rig to go up and down with the =20 > EDP's speed button I run the EDP as the master. This also gives me =20 > the option to set the tempo by the first EDP loop created. > > But quite often I like to make funny noises with my EDP by jumping =20 > between half speed and normal speed while in overdubbing mode. Then =20= > it would not sound good if the tempo should also jump 100 or 50 =20 > percent ;-) and it makes perfect sense to run the EDP as the slave. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > On Sep 3, 2005, at 20:22, Erland wrote: > > > > >> But I would like Logic to pick up the BPM of my loops for easy =20 >> editing later. I read on here that the EDP is the best to use as a =20= >> master sync as opposed to the Repeater which is better in slave mode. >> >> Thanks.. >> >> ----------------------------------------------------- >> >> erland >> >> www.erlandonline.com >> www.myspace.com/erland >> >> >> On Sep 1, 2005, at 1:01 PM, Claude Voit wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> do it the other way: sync the edp to logic >>> no audio recorder can adjust to the even very small wandering of =20 >>> a midi clock sync (no bug-normal) >>> >>> set your EDP to sync in and set logic to send midi clock out of =20 >>> the relevant midi port >>> >>> sorry I dont know logic so..... >>> >>> Claude >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> I'm having some problems with the EDP + Logic. EDP is the =20 >>>> "master" that Logic is syncing to. Logic seems to want to stop =20 >>>> having the sync button pushed in by itself. >>>> Record also stops by itself in Logic. It seems to be related =20 >>>> to when I hit "record on the EDP. I have tried various settings =20= >>>> in Logic. Auto Sync-in, MIDI-Clock Sync... >>>> >>>> I finally found a decent BPM by setting the EDP to 128. I forget =20= >>>> the parameter name as I'm new to the EDP. I'm guess the BPM will =20= >>>> be all wrong if I record a different number of bars next time. =20 >>>> Any input on this? >>>> >>>> Any help is appreciated. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> ----------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> erland >>>> >>>> www.erlandonline.com >>>> www.myspace.com/erland >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 3 21:02:57 2005 Return-Path: <Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com> X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B5B23BEDB; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 21:02:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <matthias@grob.org> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 9087dc3af95982ee38a89de6207927ca Received-SPF: none (congo.terra.com.br: 200.176.10.2 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of grob.org) client-ip=200.176.10.2; envelope-from=matthias@grob.org; helo=[194.230.233.230]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: <p06002036bf3f77e42ac2@[194.230.233.230]> In-Reply-To: <31b50a8e17e529d88784764cbd13be28@flutetrends.ch> References: <31b50a8e17e529d88784764cbd13be28@flutetrends.ch> Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 13:05:13 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob <matthias@grob.org> Subject: Re: "Kunos grosse Fahrt" / Stefan Keller in Zürich Cc: Stefan Keller <stkeller@flutetrends.ch> Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <9kyuwD.A.jcD.A-gGDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> archive/latest/52735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 21:02:57 +0000 (UTC) <!doctype html public "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- blockquote, dl, ul, ol, li { padding-top: 0 ; padding-bottom: 0 } --></style><title>Re: "Kunos grosse Fahrt" / Stefan Keller in Zürich
I should have mentioned Stefans presentation at the Loopfestival

he had no luck because he opened on saturday which was the first sunny day in a long time, so there was no public, even the colegues were late.

but he mounted his 4 channel equipment and created a lot of perfect sounding rhythm and jazz just with his flutes and spread it in the room. Apart from his pair of EDP and a Repeater he also uses pitch shifted delays. So sometimes he just binged once with his fingernail on his huge bass flute and a whole melody went off. or he closed the lowes clap and it was fater than most bass drums...

flutetrends.ch

sometimes he gives classical concerts with a guitar player... so I dont quite know how this is going to be:

Buchvernissage «Kunos große Fahrt» von Klaus Merz und Hannes Binder

Der Schauspieler Clo Bisaz und der Musiker Stefan Keller haben das Buch in eine ungewöhnliche Performance umgesetzt. Eine unterhaltsame Reise voller Musik, Worte und Bilder erwartet das Publikum. Dabei immer im Mittelpunkt: Kuno und sein Kickboard.


Samstag, 17. September 2005, 17.00 Uhr
Theater am Bahnhof, Tunaustrasse 5, 5734 Reinach (AG), Tel. 062 765 66 01
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 3 21:03:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4B883BEFE; Sat, 3 Sep 2005 21:03:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 8166e23f98b805699fa90d011a507cab Received-SPF: none (congo.terra.com.br: 200.176.10.2 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of grob.org) client-ip=200.176.10.2; envelope-from=matthias@grob.org; helo=[194.230.233.230]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <421364CF.3070600@biink.com> References: <421364CF.3070600@biink.com> Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 13:38:01 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: (perhaps a different angle on the thread.) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <_vL6n.A.OgD.F-gGDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 21:03:01 +0000 (UTC) >todd reynolds wrote: > >>3. a few of our heartiest contributors and committed musicians have left >>the list because there is so much less music discussion than there is flame >>or gear-speak. >Is it a gear oriented list. thats what it turned into, not what it was when I participated more :-) >That's no reason to leave it. well... >I do have a problem with this little flame war, but I >don't think I'll be leaving the list anytime soon. because you want to hear about gear? thats why I keep subscribed, too I typed enough anyway :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 4 10:01:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF8883BEE1; Sun, 4 Sep 2005 10:01:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: "'Looper's Delight'" Subject: In C by Terry Riley--anybody loop this thing? Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 03:01:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcWxN5ntoqZYoc7UT8q6LfHHGHpoJw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Message-Id: <20050904100131.LERV20473.fed1rmmtao07.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <7VTZpC.A.ckD.AYsGDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 10:01:36 +0000 (UTC) Hi loopers- I was poking around on Richard Zvonar's page and noticed this http://www.zvonar.com/art/collaborations.html So then I went here http://www.otherminds.org/shtml/Scores.shtml and listened a bit then downloaded this http://www.otherminds.org/SCORES/InC.pdf and decided it was certainly something someone could do with a looper-does anybody? (Does everybody?) I might try some of it anyway--when it's not the dead of night. Peace, Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 5 00:41:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 592C93BEDC; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 00:41:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1983.212.205.246.105.1125880912.squirrel@webmail.costasandreou.com> Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 03:41:52 +0300 (EEST) Subject: Hello from Athens! From: "Costas Andreou" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: contact@costasandreou.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-Y39CD.A.eyE.UR5GDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 00:41:57 +0000 (UTC) Hello everyone. I am a looping bass player from Athens, Greece. You can listen to my music here: http://www.costasandreou.com/audioeng.htm So far, I have been in contact with Rick, Per, Krispen... Hello there! ;-) I am looking forward to getting to know more of you fellow loopers. Take care Costas Andreou ))))))))))))))))))))(((((((((((((((((((( http://www.costasandreou.com contact@costasandreou.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 5 03:50:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A437B3BECF; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 03:50:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" Subject: The PiNG presents The London Apartments + Weird State Inbetween Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 23:51:25 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000301c5b1cd$168368d0$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: <_y5fWB.A.A3B.UC8GDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 03:50:44 +0000 (UTC) Welcome to September at the PiNG. Each week this month we'll be featuring a disc from ambient master Steve Roach's "The Dreamtime Box" between sets. Yes - another 4 CD set from Roach! This one includes his newly remastered classic "Dreamtime Return". Also - be sure to read rik maclean's column this week, as he focuses on New Orleans and what that city means to him - obviously a lot, as he ensures that throughout September *all* money (except taxes/shipping) from CD sales from an extensive list of artists at ping things will be sent directly to the American Red Cross disaster relief efforts. Help rik and dozens of creative artists help others through their art! http://www.pingthings.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday September 6th - A Worthy Fall - September This fall the PiNG will be hosting a monthly showcase for the inspiring independent label Worthy Records on the first Tuesday of each month. Worthy Records has been releasing a huge catalog of works by creative musicians from across Ontario and Canada and each month we'll present 2 or 3 artists. September features the mesmerizing ambient, post-rock songs of The London Apartments (from Windsor) and Weird State Inbetween (from St.Catharines)- a collaboration between Scott Johnson and Anne Sulikowski oozing improv electronic music with keyboards, pedals, blips, skips, vocals, beats, distortion, loops and found sounds. http://www.worthyrecords.com "A more clearly enunciated Windy and Carl at the wheel, with Fridge beats riding shotgun and arguing over the map, doing 30 mph down 495 at midnight, with My Morning Jacket, Auburn Lull, and Slowdive tied up in the trunk." http://www.thelondonapartments.com "The Weird State In Between's debut release on Worthy Records (music for listening rather than profit) is without a doubt one of the freshest noise recordings of the year. It's disgustingly beautiful, cathartically romantic, a sledgehammer french kiss." http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pageartist.cfm?bandID=256530 Between Sets CD - "Dreamtime Return - disc 1" by Steve Roach An undeniable masterpiece of the ambient world. "17 years after its release "Dreamtime Return" still sounds like a transmission from the near future and the very distant past." http://www.steveroach.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday September 13th - Wendy Atkinson with David Lester http://www.tinforest.com/tinfr/wendyatkinson/ http://mecca_normal.tripod.com/ . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ||: IN THE LOOP :|| by Luna Tek Even with a hot summer coming to a close, THE AMBiENT PiNG concert on August 29, 2005 continued to heat up the experimental music scene in Toronto with two stellar acts: Michael Keith with David Sait and The Riderless from London, Ontario. Michael Keith (Guqin) and David Sait (Guzheng) kicked off the evening with a majestic first set replete with exotic undertones. The duo, both originally guitarists, took an interest in traditional Chinese music a few years ago and began improvising together even though their particular instruments are not historically played together. Breaking with tradition in this arrangement, Keith's interpretation reaped slide-guitar effects with a Ry Cooder edge. To the audience's delight, their elegant experimentation yielded a sense of longing without the usual crush of melancholy. The tension between notes created a spare yet ultimately fulfilling experience akin to the procedural technique of sound poems: they set up aesthetic and emotional expectations and then rewarded the audience with unexpectedly melodic "songs." After the concert, I asked Michael Keith about his interest in traditional Chinese music. Keith explained that he discovered the Guquin through Derek Bailey, an avant garde guitar player. After reading an article with Bailey discussing the Guqin, Keith decided to check it out for himself. His interest in this ancient instrument has led to an interest in Chinese culture, broadening his creative horizons to the extent that he is now planning trip to Bejing. In the second set, The Riderless continued their cross-country tour with passages of pure improvisation, a departure from the free style approach they used to play when they were more into creating walls of pure rock-oriented noise. While tonight's performance was completely free-form, the band explored the chords and melodies available to them in a post-rock universe. With six musicians playing guitars, synthesizer, a homemade xylophone, saxophone, clarinet and drums, The Riderless commanded the stage with an ambient set that built in intensity and included lots of texture, rhythm and the pure joy of playing. More info: http://www.alexiteric.com http://www.davidsait.com http://www.theriderless.com Luna Tek - luna@theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews I spend alot of time telling you about music I love. But today I thought I'd tell you about a city that I love. I've idealized New Orleans ever since the first time I read "Interview with a Vampire" when I was eleven. There was something about the way the city was described, something so magical about it that appealed to my eleven year old psyche. And like a handful of other places and ideals and songs that wormed their way into my being in those early formative years, New Orleans has always had a special place in my heart. I finally went to visit there in 2000. The Cure were playing two gigs in a theatre on the "Bloodflowers" tour and I had a travelling companion with connections in the travel industry. Really, it was too good an opportunity to pass up. So we went. I don't think I've ever been so excited about a vacation in my entire life. I'll admit that I was a little nervous about going though. You know how there are places you dream of all your life, and when you finally get there it's nothing like you had imagined? I was so scared that the city wouldn't live up to my expectations, that it would be one of those places that we create in our heads that has no hope of existing in the real world. But when I got there I was thrilled to find that it was exactly what I had always dreamed of. Beautiful, mysterious, haunted. My companion and I walked through the French Quarter, we did the Garden District tour, we saw Marie LeVeaux' tomb and a million other things. It was everything I had thought it would be and more, and it's the only city I've ever been to that has made me think seriously of leaving my beloved Toronto. And even though I didn't leave then, New Orleans has always had an Echo Beach type quality to it, a notion in my head that I had somewhere to run away to, somewhere to go and start again if I ever needed to. We were only there for a few days, but they were among the most wonderful I've ever had before or since. Dreams fulfilled, wishes made real, the discovery that the magic you hold in your heart sometimes does exist in the real world. Going to New Orleans meant something very special to me and I'll always hold that feeling close inside. *** This last week, seeing pictures of what has happened in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, seeing what the people of New Orleans and the surrounding environs are going through, has been heartbreaking, devastating. With this in mind, a number of artists in the ping things catalogue have kindly and generously agreed to donate all earnings (excluding shipping and taxes) from sales of their CDs through ping things for the remainder of September to the American Red Cross to help those affected by Hurricane Katrina. If you were thinking of buying some new music, now is the time to do so as the money you spend will be used to help others in this time of need. http://www.pingthings.com There are people affected by Hurricane Katrina that desperately require our assistance. Making a purchase at ping things this month is one way that you can help them. Alternatively, if you'd like to pursue help in other ways, please visit http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2005/katrina/help.center/ where CNN has collected a comprehensive list of charities and organizations that are helping out. Please look inside your heart and give generously. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 5 06:02:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 285573BED5; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 06:02:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050904224034.04ab8e38@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 23:01:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Noise Problem In-Reply-To: <43172412.31679.2661938@localhost> References: <43172412.31679.2661938@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 06:02:33 +0000 (UTC) At 03:53 PM 9/1/2005, muman wrote: >Hello all, >After every loop, my EDP makes a quiet thunk sound. I have Loop IV and >have the >memory maxed out. I think it's an early generation machine. > >Anyone have any suggestions?Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter Hi Louis, There is a trimpot in the Echoplex that may need to be adjusted in your unit. It is there for nulling out dc offsets at a VCA, which can cause this thumping at the loop startpoint. Normally the trimpot is set at the factory and should not need adjusting, but maybe it got knocked out of adjustment somehow in your case. I posted instructions on how to do this adjustment once long ago, it is here in the archives: http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199811/msg00303.html However, I realize those instructions need to be updated a little bit for Echoplexes using LoopIV. So I'll just repost it now, updated for LoopIV: ********************************************* How to adjust the Echoplex dc trimpot (LoopIV version): This requires that you actually open up the unit, and have it opened with the power on. *Please follow appropriate electrical safety rules!!* If you are not careful and you fry yourself, please don't blame me! There's a trimpot on the PCB, near the left side, by the volume knobs. Its job is to trim a dc offset from a VCA. Sounds like your's is not set right for some reason, which would cause the thump you hear. To set it you need to run one of the built in diagnostic tests. The test turns the VCA on and off at about 60Hz, so if there is an offset you can hear the resulting tone in an amplifier. (or see it on a scope, whichever way you like.) While that test is running, you adjust the trimmer until the tone/waveform reaches its minimum. To get into the trimmer test, power up the unit while holding the Parameter and Overdub buttons down. The display will show a version number of the test software at first. When you let go of the buttons, it should say 7F. Press the parameter button so the "Switches" LED is lit (or "Keys" on older units), then press Insert to start the trimmer test. You should hear a ~60Hz tone in an amp. Turning the input volume off, mix to "loop", and the output volume up helps to hear it if it isn't obvious. The tone will change in volume as you adjust the trimpot. You may need a small screwdriver to make the adjustment, depending on the type of trimpot in your unit. Adjust to where the tone is at it's lowest level. (you'll still hear hashy noise sounds, but the 60Hz should become nearly inaudible.) After you set the trimmer, pressing parameter again will stop the test. Then you can turn the echoplex off and power back up normally. ********************************************** hope this helps, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 5 07:26:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 867333BED5; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 07:26:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <1983.212.205.246.105.1125880912.squirrel@webmail.costasandreou.com> References: <1983.212.205.246.105.1125880912.squirrel@webmail.costasandreou.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Hello from Athens! Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 09:26:08 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 07:26:13 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 5, 2005, at 2:41, Costas Andreou wrote: > Hello everyone. > I am a looping bass player from Athens, Greece. > You can listen to my music here: > http://www.costasandreou.com/audioeng.htm > So far, I have been in contact with Rick, Per, Krispen... > > Hello there! > ;-) > > I am looking forward to getting to know more of you fellow loopers. > > Take care > Costas Andreou Welcome to this fine list, Costas! And thanks again for directing us to listen to your music (which I myself find very interesting). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 5 07:35:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E6773BEDB; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 07:35:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 09:39:34 +0200 Subject: Re: Hello from Athens! From: Andreas Willers To: LD to post Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 07:35:30 +0000 (UTC) Nice site, too bad tho, the link to the audio doesn't work for me.... > Von: Per Boysen > Antworten an: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Datum: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 09:26:08 +0200 > An: Loopers > Betreff: Re: Hello from Athens! > Neu gesendet von: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Neu gesendet am: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 07:26:13 +0000 (UTC) > > On Sep 5, 2005, at 2:41, Costas Andreou wrote: >> Hello everyone. >> I am a looping bass player from Athens, Greece. >> You can listen to my music here: >> http://www.costasandreou.com/audioeng.htm >> So far, I have been in contact with Rick, Per, Krispen... >> >> Hello there! >> ;-) >> >> I am looking forward to getting to know more of you fellow loopers. >> >> Take care >> Costas Andreou > > > Welcome to this fine list, Costas! And thanks again for directing us > to listen to your music (which I myself find very interesting). > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 5 07:50:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 256423BED6; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 07:50:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Hello from Athens! Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 09:50:02 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 07:50:07 +0000 (UTC) >> On Sep 5, 2005, at 2:41, Costas Andreou wrote: >>> http://www.costasandreou.com/audioeng.htm On Sep 5, 2005, at 9:39, Andreas Willers wrote: > Nice site, too bad tho, the link to the audio doesn't work for me.... The links target plain mp3 files. Adjust the settings of your web for how it should handle linked mp3 files. And you can always right-click and choose "download" (in XP). If you use a Mac with only one mouse button it's "alt-click" to download the linked file. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 5 12:42:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFF7E3BED0; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:42:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 07:42:17 -0500 Subject: Looking for Xylophone type music From: Kathy Deane To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:42:27 +0000 (UTC) Love the sound track to American Beauty. Doing a 5 minute short about a Concentration camp survivor. She's 90. I want it to be over the top great. I need the perfect sound track. A Xylophone and Oboes come to mind... Does anyone out there have something already done along these lines? Kathy Deane Independent film maker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 5 13:04:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F63C3BED5; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 13:04:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <431C4285.8020007@biink.com> Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 09:05:09 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looking for Xylophone type music References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7fMwFD.A._9F.2JEHDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 13:04:54 +0000 (UTC) Kathy Deane wrote: >Love the sound track to American Beauty. > That's a marimba. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 5 14:45:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B92E3BED5; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 14:45:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001c01c5b229$eef58c00$6501a8c0@suscom.net> From: "stacey young" To: References: Subject: Re: Looking for Xylophone type music Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 10:56:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 14:45:36 +0000 (UTC) I have a concert size Marimba and have done some recording with it in my studio.I might already have music you would like or could do something for you quick. Reach me at axis@blazenet.net Regards, Stacey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Deane" To: Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 8:42 AM Subject: Looking for Xylophone type music > Love the sound track to American Beauty. Doing a 5 minute short about a > Concentration camp survivor. She's 90. I want it to be over the top great. > > I need the perfect sound track. A Xylophone and Oboes come to mind... Does > anyone out there have something already done along these lines? > > > > Kathy Deane > Independent film maker > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 5 16:12:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F7043BECF; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 16:12:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,169,1122850800"; d="scan'208"; a="11443111:sNHT17732029" Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050905170437.02d96e50@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 17:05:54 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: andy butler's new live-looping cd In-Reply-To: <20050903210302.19B1B3BF0A@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050903210302.19B1B3BF0A@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 16:12:06 +0000 (UTC) A new cd by andy butler is now available. You can go to www.andybutler.com to hear excerpts from the album, and even buy it if you like what you hear. This is the result of almost a decade of loop discovery, and I'm really pleased how it's turned out. "11 tracks of looped guitar, each exploring a different possibility, and each a single unedited performance. Angular melodies, world-beat rhythms, lush chords in classical type harmony, trance sequences, abstract electronica, all woven into a cohesive album of compelling music." any comments appreciated andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 5 17:02:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A97B63BEB0; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 17:02:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <90.656b264f.304dd410@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 13:02:08 EDT Subject: Re: andy butler's new live-looping cd To: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_90.656b264f.304dd410_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 17:02:12 +0000 (UTC) --part1_90.656b264f.304dd410_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andy, In a message dated 9/5/05 9:12:08 AM, akbutler@tiscali.co.uk writes: > A new cd by andy butler is now available. >=20 Very cool Andy. I'll have to order one soon (when family finances=20 are a little more . . . ahem . . . favorable). The graphics look=20 professional too. Great job! Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_90.656b264f.304dd410_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andy,

In a message dated 9/5/05 9:12:08 AM, akbutler@tiscali.co.uk writes:

A new cd by andy butl= er is now available.

Very cool Andy. I'll have to order one soon (when family finances
are a little more . . . ahem . . . favorable). The graphics look
professional too. Great job!

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_90.656b264f.304dd410_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 5 17:36:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 849013BECC; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 17:36:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 12:36:17 -0500 Subject: Re: Looking for Xylophone type music From: Kathy Deane To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <001c01c5b229$eef58c00$6501a8c0@suscom.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 17:36:20 +0000 (UTC) Sounds like a deal to me. I can't quite seem to get into the film...until I have some kind of soundtrack music. Have you seen Six feet under, or American Beauty? They have some awesome background music. Love that Marimba sound. Touches the soul. Do you have some samples? I would love to hear some of your work. Thanks, Kathy > I have a concert size Marimba and have done some recording with it in my > studio.I might already have music you would like or could do something for > you quick. > > Reach me at axis@blazenet.net > Regards, Stacey > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathy Deane" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 8:42 AM > Subject: Looking for Xylophone type music > > >> Love the sound track to American Beauty. Doing a 5 minute short about a >> Concentration camp survivor. She's 90. I want it to be over the top great. >> >> I need the perfect sound track. A Xylophone and Oboes come to mind... Does >> anyone out there have something already done along these lines? >> >> >> >> Kathy Deane >> Independent film maker >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 5 17:54:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2102E3BED5; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 17:54:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: andy butler's new live-looping cd Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 11:53:42 -0600 Message-ID: <001201c5b242$c47ab950$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20050905170437.02d96e50@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 150, in=422, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <_WdY0D.A.k2E.3YIHDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 17:54:00 +0000 (UTC) Outstanding, Andy. I just went to your site and bought this. It just occurred to me how behind and delinquent I've been in supporting my fellow looping artists. Today, I will get out and buy some other new CDs as well, including those from Bernhard and Rick etc. Cheers, Kris -----Original Message----- From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 10:06 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: andy butler's new live-looping cd A new cd by andy butler is now available. You can go to www.andybutler.com to hear excerpts from the album, and even buy it if you like what you hear. This is the result of almost a decade of loop discovery, and I'm really pleased how it's turned out. "11 tracks of looped guitar, each exploring a different possibility, and each a single unedited performance. Angular melodies, world-beat rhythms, lush chords in classical type harmony, trance sequences, abstract electronica, all woven into a cohesive album of compelling music." any comments appreciated andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 5 18:52:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D52203BED9; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 18:52:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: andy butler's new live-looping cd Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:52:17 -0600 Message-ID: <001501c5b24a$f31b8c00$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20050905170437.02d96e50@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 4, First 149, in=447, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 18:52:33 +0000 (UTC) Related questions to others. Per, in addition to your recent release, is Happy Ocean available? Bernhard, in addition to Synced (which I just bought, do you have a prior solo release? Kris -----Original Message----- From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 10:06 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: andy butler's new live-looping cd A new cd by andy butler is now available. You can go to www.andybutler.com to hear excerpts from the album, and even buy it if you like what you hear. This is the result of almost a decade of loop discovery, and I'm really pleased how it's turned out. "11 tracks of looped guitar, each exploring a different possibility, and each a single unedited performance. Angular melodies, world-beat rhythms, lush chords in classical type harmony, trance sequences, abstract electronica, all woven into a cohesive album of compelling music." any comments appreciated andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 5 19:06:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3034E3BED9; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 19:06:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "muman" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 12:06:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: EDP Noise Problem Message-ID: <431C34D1.3665.33B2ED@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <6.1.2.0.2.20050904224034.04ab8e38@loopers-delight.com> References: <43172412.31679.2661938@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 19:06:49 +0000 (UTC) Hello Kim, Again you have come through for me. You helped me out many years ago when I was having problems getting me feedback pedal to work correctly. This removed the problem. Thank you very much. > At 03:53 PM 9/1/2005, muman wrote: > >Hello all, > >After every loop, my EDP makes a quiet thunk sound. I have Loop IV > >and have the memory maxed out. I think it's an early generation > >machine. > > > >Anyone have any suggestions?Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter > > Hi Louis, > > There is a trimpot in the Echoplex that may need to be adjusted in > your unit. It is there for nulling out dc offsets at a VCA, which can > cause this thumping at the loop startpoint. Normally the trimpot is > set at the factory and should not need adjusting, but maybe it got > knocked out of adjustment somehow in your case. > > I posted instructions on how to do this adjustment once long ago, it > is here in the archives: > > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/199811/msg00303.html > > However, I realize those instructions need to be updated a little bit > for Echoplexes using LoopIV. So I'll just repost it now, updated for > LoopIV: > > > ********************************************* > How to adjust the Echoplex dc trimpot (LoopIV version): > > This requires that you actually open up the unit, and have it opened > with the power on. *Please follow appropriate electrical safety > rules!!* If you are not careful and you fry yourself, please don't > blame me! > > There's a trimpot on the PCB, near the left side, by the volume knobs. > Its job is to trim a dc offset from a VCA. Sounds like your's is not > set right for some reason, which would cause the thump you hear. > > To set it you need to run one of the built in diagnostic tests. The > test turns the VCA on and off at about 60Hz, so if there is an offset > you can hear the resulting tone in an amplifier. (or see it on a > scope, whichever way you like.) While that test is running, you > adjust the trimmer until the tone/waveform reaches its minimum. > > To get into the trimmer test, power up the unit while holding the > Parameter and Overdub buttons down. The display will show a version > number of the test software at first. When you let go of the buttons, > it should say 7F. > > Press the parameter button so the "Switches" LED is lit (or "Keys" on > older units), then press Insert to start the trimmer test. > > You should hear a ~60Hz tone in an amp. Turning the input volume off, > mix to "loop", and the output volume up helps to hear it if it isn't > obvious. The tone will change in volume as you adjust the trimpot. You > may need a small screwdriver to make the adjustment, depending on the > type of trimpot in your unit. Adjust to where the tone is at it's > lowest level. (you'll still hear hashy noise sounds, but the 60Hz > should become nearly inaudible.) > > After you set the trimmer, pressing parameter again will stop the > test. Then you can turn the echoplex off and power back up normally. > > ********************************************** > > hope this helps, > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 5 19:20:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8F6E3BED5; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 19:20:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001d01c5b250$579900e0$6501a8c0@suscom.net> From: "stacey young" To: References: Subject: Re: Looking for Xylophone type music Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 15:30:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new .250 at suscom.net Resent-Message-ID: <8TXln.A.1ZH.CqJHDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 19:20:34 +0000 (UTC) Hey Kathy, It's been a while since I saw American Beauty,I will check it out.I never saw Six feet under. Once I know the feel your going for I can get a sample of what I could do and send to you.Cello is another very nice instrument that I also own and use in the studio.I also do some nice ebow guitar,kind of flute like or voice like stuff. Stace From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 5 19:52:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98AB93BED8; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 19:52:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001101c5b254$bb9924e0$6501a8c0@suscom.net> From: "stacey young" To: References: Subject: Re: Looking for Xylophone type music Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 16:02:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at suscom.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 19:52:08 +0000 (UTC) Hey Kathy, Check out keepingthedream.com It's a project that I've worked on the last few years part time with a female vocalist.I play 95 percent of the instruments on it and wrote most of the music.The song "For the sake of Love" has oboe in it although I don't play oboe myself.The piano I wrote for it is nice. Stace From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 5 20:35:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5226E3BED3; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 20:35:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <001501c5b24a$f31b8c00$6801a8c0@khartung> References: <001501c5b24a$f31b8c00$6801a8c0@khartung> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9761071D-261C-406F-BFB2-4E621C6CFF78@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: andy butler's new live-looping cd Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 22:35:12 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 20:35:17 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 5, 2005, at 20:52, Kris Hartung wrote: > Related questions to others. > Per, in addition to your recent release, is Happy Ocean available? Hi Kris, No I'm afraid it isn't. That disc was produced with CDR technology to =20= promote the Swedish looping tour two years ago. Just a quick =20 documentation ideas back then. Speaking about Andy's CD I think it's =20 great! (I was lucky to get one during the Z=FCrich festival). / per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 6 08:01:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83ACF3BED0; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 08:01:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: andy butler's new live-looping cd Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:01:20 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20050905170437.02d96e50@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Tue, 06 Sep 2005 09:54:25 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.75.211 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 08:01:31 +0000 (UTC) ... and it is now available from burningshed.com ... congrats Andy! " The debut solo CD from guitarist Andy Butler showcases an accomplished and mature talent. Utilising Echoplex looping systems, the highly structured and composed pieces were recorded in real time, with no subsequent overdubs added. Occasionally recalling the experimental solo guitar work of Phil Manzanera, Robert Fripp and Andy Summers, as well as drawing on complex gamelan rhythms, Butler's intriguing compositions avoid much of the improvised indulgence associated with the contemporary looping scene." -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 6 11:04:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2AD6A3BEC5; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:04:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002d01c5b2d2$be3444e0$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: Subject: test Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 13:04:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01C5B2E3.81A7B820" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:04:29 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C5B2E3.81A7B820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C5B2E3.81A7B820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C5B2E3.81A7B820-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 6 11:09:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C18373BEB9; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:09:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004601c5b2d3$6d2e6d90$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: Subject: test Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 13:09:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0043_01C5B2E4.30A8E5B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:09:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C5B2E4.30A8E5B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable test ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C5B2E4.30A8E5B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C5B2E4.30A8E5B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 6 11:27:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE3E23BED5; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:27:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001801c5b2d5$fa2cb7e0$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <004601c5b2d3$6d2e6d90$040a0a0a@fabio> Subject: Re: test Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 13:27:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:27:34 +0000 (UTC) more treble in the monitors please one two welcome Fabio Claude test From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 6 12:00:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FB0F3BEB9; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 12:00:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006f01c5b2da$921a77f0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <004601c5b2d3$6d2e6d90$040a0a0a@fabio> <001801c5b2d5$fa2cb7e0$0400000a@mini> Subject: Re: test Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 13:00:25 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 12:00:31 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claude Voit" To: Sent: Tuesday, 06 September, 2005 12:27 PM Subject: Re: test > more treble in the monitors please > > one two > > welcome Fabio > > Claude > > > > > test Two! Two! >From http://www.planetproctor.com/2005/pp05-13.html : Call your agent's voice mail and read this: "Mr. See and Mr. Soar were old friends. See owned a saw and Soar owned a seesaw. Now See's saw sawed Soar's seesaw before Soar saw See, which made Soar sore. Had Soar seen See's saw before See saw Soar's seesaw, then See's saw would not have sawed Soar's seesaw. But See saw Soar and Soar's seesaw before Soar saw See's saw, so See's saw sawed Soar's seesaw. "It was a shame to let See see Soar so sore just because See's saw sawed Soar's seesaw." (Soon to be a major motion picture!) Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * http://www.medialinenews.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 6 17:44:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FFAA3BECF; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:44:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050906134356.g1rf57lnsm0ck8ok@www.wightman.ca> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 13:43:56 -0400 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: edp MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) Resent-Message-ID: <05m5oC.A.37H.hVdHDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:44:01 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I've been following conversations in looper's delight for a few years now, been an edp user for a few years as well. Recently it wouldn't come on, I checked and changed the fuse and tried the "hold the parameter button on while powering up", all with no luck. The input signal light comes on when inputing signal but the software doesn't boot up. Any suggestions? I have a great electronics repair guy available to me (I work in a hospital day job) but he really needs some schematics or repair manual to look at. Does anyone have anything that can help me out here????? I have searched the archieves for simalar threads but haven't found any info there either. Thanks Paul Haslem looping guitar and hammered dulcimer in Canada. Will post some music in the near future phaslem@wightman.ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 6 17:46:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 338E93BECD; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:46:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AmtJSIyVFdWuSdOPzREjbp4CRlDXZV0ktZ5RyTnS2F+7+Zm141CsMGYYW9EGoBqnw7/7PO0j7v7vnA4nKsDhaV79ZLWIv6gsEnf3RwxoNk01JC8FmwMstwMfxSpGatxqYXLenllZJGgHNR9SEwD0DVkdnYdHFdx6uM/QXCmrP9o= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 10:46:21 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: edp In-Reply-To: <20050906134356.g1rf57lnsm0ck8ok@www.wightman.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050906134356.g1rf57lnsm0ck8ok@www.wightman.ca> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:46:26 +0000 (UTC) Have you tried reseating the SIMMs yet? So there's nothing at all on the display? No "err" or anything? On 9/6/05, phaslem@wightman.ca wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I've been following conversations in looper's delight for a few years now= , been > an edp user for a few years as well. >=20 > Recently it wouldn't come on, I checked and changed the fuse and tried th= e "hold > the parameter button on while powering up", all with no luck. The input s= ignal > light comes on when inputing signal but the software doesn't boot up. Any > suggestions? >=20 > I have a great electronics repair guy available to me (I work in a hospit= al day > job) but he really needs some schematics or repair manual to look at. Doe= s > anyone have anything that can help me out here????? I have searched the > archieves for simalar threads but haven't found any info there either. >=20 > Thanks >=20 > Paul Haslem > looping guitar and hammered dulcimer in Canada. Will post some music in t= he near > future >=20 > phaslem@wightman.ca >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 6 19:11:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3F973BECF; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 19:11:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <95D11B4C-3422-4FF3-9B8B-B95426774EEF@student.umu.se> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5--449713112 From: Daniel Fredriksson Subject: foot-controller with Live 4 help? Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 21:10:58 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 19:11:06 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5--449713112 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hey. I'm a newbee on the list, as well as in the loop-world. I have a question regarding Ableton Live 4 together with midi- footcontrollers wich I'm hoping someone could help me out with. I will use a Behringer FCB1010, and will mainly use it to launch and stop clips on stage with Live (planning to get into live-looping later on, but for now I stay with pre-recorded loops...) And it would be great if I did'nt have to keep track of wich is the on and off for every clip. Plus I would be able to controll more clips, obviously... So that's my question - is it possible to make a setup in live so that the same button on a midi-controller, most specific the FCB1010, turns a clip on and off? As stated, I'm a total newbee on loops and midicontrolls, so a nice step by step solution (if there is any) would make me a happy boy... /Daniel Daniel Fredriksson daniel@silkwood.se www.silkwood.se --Apple-Mail-5--449713112 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey. I'm a newbee on the list, = as well as in the loop-world.=A0

I have a = question regarding Ableton Live 4 together with midi-footcontrollers = wich I'm hoping someone could help me out with. I will use a Behringer = FCB1010, and will mainly use it to launch and stop clips on stage with = Live=A0 (planning to get into live-looping later on, but for now I stay = with pre-recorded loops...)=A0 And it would be great if I did'nt have to = keep track of wich is the on and off for every clip. Plus I would be = able to controll more clips, obviously...=A0

So that's = my question - is it possible to make a setup in live so that the same = button on a midi-controller, most specific the FCB1010, turns a clip on = and off?

As stated, = I'm a total newbee on loops and midicontrolls, so a nice step by step = solution (if there is any) would make me a happy boy...
/Daniel

Daniel = Fredriksson




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= --Apple-Mail-5--449713112-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 6 20:11:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A91B3BED3; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 20:11:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <95D11B4C-3422-4FF3-9B8B-B95426774EEF@student.umu.se> References: <95D11B4C-3422-4FF3-9B8B-B95426774EEF@student.umu.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3E018B24-4AAD-4DE5-A86C-6EDC5DAEAE9C@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: foot-controller with Live 4 help? Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 22:11:21 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 20:11:25 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 6, 2005, at 21:10, Daniel Fredriksson wrote: > So that's my question - is it possible to make a setup in live so > that the same button on a midi-controller, most specific the > FCB1010, turns a clip on and off? Yes. You map the MIDI message to the clip. If you set the clip's launch preferences to "Toggle" it will start when you step on the pedal (sending that MIDI msg) and it will stop the next time you do it. In Toggle launch mode clips work just like a light switch button: If it is ON a button press will turn it OFF and if it is OFF the same button press will turn in ON. A very good place to learn and get help on Live is the Live forum: http://www.ableton.com/forum/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 6 20:56:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1C953BECD; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 20:56:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <3E018B24-4AAD-4DE5-A86C-6EDC5DAEAE9C@boysen.se> References: <95D11B4C-3422-4FF3-9B8B-B95426774EEF@student.umu.se> <3E018B24-4AAD-4DE5-A86C-6EDC5DAEAE9C@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <98858FF9-C10A-4758-894B-AA6E85113B17@student.umu.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Daniel Fredriksson Subject: Re: foot-controller with Live 4 help? Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 22:56:42 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 20:56:50 +0000 (UTC) > In Toggle launch mode clips work just like a light switch button: =20 > If it is ON a button press will turn it OFF and if it is OFF the =20 > same button press will turn in ON. > > Per Boysen Ah, overlooked that setting...Great, thanks alot Per! /Daniel PS. H=E4lsa s=E5 gott till min bandkompis Samuel Andersson om du tr=E4ffar= =20 honom innan mig (jag bor i Ume=E5), tror att det =E4r dig han ska b=F6rja = =20 ta looplektioner av! Det =E4r bra, d=E5 kan han l=E4ra mig allt du =20 kan... :) DS Daniel Fredriksson daniel@silkwood.se www.silkwood.se From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 6 21:11:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B75D13BEC5; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 21:11:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Adrian West" To: Subject: Does this device exist? Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 14:12:32 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0442_01C5B2ED.0614B1E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <95D11B4C-3422-4FF3-9B8B-B95426774EEF@student.umu.se> X-ELNK-Trace: 5cae5941d33b27681aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79f37dcb2e748c6cca9f594114d0539471350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 67.102.106.209 Resent-Message-ID: <0lcvz.A.9M.FYgHDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 21:11:33 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0442_01C5B2ED.0614B1E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello loopers, I'm wondering anyone here can help me find what I need. I'd like the ability to record different loops on the fly and switch between them using a foot pedal. I know the EDP lets me do this, but I'm hoping I might find something less expensive. The BOSS RC-20 supports 11 saved loops, but before you can switch between them, you need to bend over and save them to memory, and even then I believe their foot pedal only lets you switch to the next loop - you can't go to a previous loop. The Boomerang lets you record and switch between two loops but I need more than two. Are there any other looping devices out there that let you do this? Thanks! Adrian West www.adrianwest.com ------=_NextPart_000_0442_01C5B2ED.0614B1E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello loopers,
 
    I'm wondering anyone here = can help=20 me find what I need. I'd like the = ability to=20 record different loops on the fly and switch = between=20 them using a foot pedal. I know the EDP lets me do this, but I'm = hoping I=20 might find something less expensive. The BOSS RC-20 supports 11 saved = loops, but=20 before you can switch between them, you need to bend over and save them = to=20 memory, and even then I believe their foot pedal only lets you = switch to=20 the next loop - you can't go to a previous loop. The Boomerang lets you = record=20 and switch between two loops but I need more than=20 two.  Are there any other looping devices = out there=20 that let you do this?
 
    = Thanks!
 
Adrian West
 ------=_NextPart_000_0442_01C5B2ED.0614B1E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 6 21:46:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9078D3BED0; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 21:46:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050906174628.49jfk7jlwkk48gws@www.wightman.ca> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:46:28 -0400 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: edp References: <20050906134356.g1rf57lnsm0ck8ok@www.wightman.ca> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 21:46:29 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the suggestion Travis, I tried that but.... no change, no err messages nothin on the display at all. I'm sure that some of the others can understand my frustration, I've spent the last 1 1/2 years re-inventing myself performance wise with the looping at the center of that and now it has failed and I've got some gigs coming up in the fall. I've been experimenting with Mobius and that may work as a replacement, tho I do have to be careful how much I ask of it running on my old laptop (compaq m300, 600mhz, 382 ram, 60 gb hard drive). I've been quite discouraged at the lack of help availible for echoplex problems. Gibson Canada says call Gibson US, I contacted them and they recomended checking Loopers Delight for help, the archieves recomend Shane Radke, but no one at Gibson seems to know who he is..... and on it goes. I told Jeff (at Mobius) that if my laptop breaks down at least I can find repair people quickly, even if I had to borrow or rent one for a few weeks. So there's pros and cons to using dedicated hardware or software, everything is a compromise. still hoping to find some schematics, who knows if the software approach works well enough you might see my edp on ebay once I get it fixed. Paul Haslem phaslem@wightman.ca looping hammered dulcimer and guitar in Canada or is it just a "looped and hammered" dulcimer player... Quoting Travis Hartnett : > Have you tried reseating the SIMMs yet? > So there's nothing at all on the display? No "err" or anything? >> >> Recently it wouldn't come on, I checked and changed the fuse and >> tried the "hold >> the parameter button on while powering up", all with no luck. The >> input signal >> light comes on when inputing signal but the software doesn't boot up. Any >> suggestions? >> >> I have a great electronics repair guy available to me (I work in a >> hospital day >> job) but he really needs some schematics or repair manual to look at. Does >> anyone have anything that can help me out here????? I have searched the >> archieves for simalar threads but haven't found any info there either. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 6 21:59:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B41DF3BED2; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 21:59:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Cp7WNG717oiwqHGysK7wGXmvQ2pNAFwToHprK5sgXW98W3Y6q/9WE4Bh/7AsT2j0XB20PLwgTz3b+oUSpWwdmCgl11FQ6Q20Ov+PwAoWvNzUH9SpGY03/giA2JDLwT58kuQW4fa2oxSomOhn22lbUoozisKNbGMzbMXhybtplMM= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 14:59:13 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: edp In-Reply-To: <20050906174628.49jfk7jlwkk48gws@www.wightman.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050906134356.g1rf57lnsm0ck8ok@www.wightman.ca> <20050906174628.49jfk7jlwkk48gws@www.wightman.ca> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 21:59:15 +0000 (UTC) Shane is the guy who fixes EDP's, and I've had very good experiences with him. I don't know his business relationship with Gibson, but he can be reached at: shane@britishaudioservice.com=09 If the EDP becomes an essential part of your performance approach, I recommend buying at least one spare when you can afford it. Best of luck, Travis On 9/6/05, phaslem@wightman.ca wrote: > Thanks for the suggestion Travis, I tried that but.... no change, no err > messages nothin on the display at all. >=20 > I'm sure that some of the others can understand my frustration, I've spen= t the > last 1 1/2 years re-inventing myself performance wise with the looping at= the > center of that and now it has failed and I've got some gigs coming up in = the > fall. I've been experimenting with Mobius and that may work as a replacem= ent, > tho I do have to be careful how much I ask of it running on my old laptop > (compaq m300, 600mhz, 382 ram, 60 gb hard drive). I've been quite discour= aged > at the lack of help availible for echoplex problems. Gibson Canada says c= all > Gibson US, I contacted them and they recomended checking Loopers Delight = for > help, the archieves recomend Shane Radke, but no one at Gibson seems to k= now > who he is..... and on it goes. I told Jeff (at Mobius) that if my > laptop breaks > down at least I can find repair people quickly, even if I had to borrow > or rent > one for a few weeks. So there's pros and cons to using dedicated hardware= or > software, everything is a compromise. >=20 > still hoping to find some schematics, who knows if the software approach = works > well enough you might see my edp on ebay once I get it fixed. >=20 > Paul Haslem > phaslem@wightman.ca > looping hammered dulcimer and guitar in Canada > or is it just a "looped and hammered" dulcimer player... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 6 22:45:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6814D3BECF; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 22:45:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=efEj8OguvLYukE4+Sj6OIZpnGpRQvsBp6iKMNtgZV3SM0B/thrE/yxlWeUL8soag/73xGp1IdXH2UdEYFe45oo2wY6mz9uMMgxHJhRvMGXzRagjF5niw9F7Mnn8fJgSg9isES0AqFFS/YImLDXX6ApwpFfuQFp0/hx4w1cgYrqo= Message-ID: <250b523405090615452d71ca84@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 19:45:27 -0300 From: tadeu barboza Reply-To: tbkobna@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: foot-controller with Live 4 help? In-Reply-To: <95D11B4C-3422-4FF3-9B8B-B95426774EEF@student.umu.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <95D11B4C-3422-4FF3-9B8B-B95426774EEF@student.umu.se> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 22:45:28 +0000 (UTC) Hi Daniel I am Kobna, I've been looping live since 2000 with a Jam Man, my setup includes an Akai MPC 2000 and and an vintage GR1 Roland, since you've asked about footcontrollers I might give you some sugestions on that regard. Nowadays I use the pads of the mpc to to send midi controls to REASON, it is almost the same as you want to do with Ableton Live. The diference is that what I actually control are the mute and solo buttons of the mixing desk of Reason with the pads. So, my system consists of recording my sequencie "LOOPs" on Reason, (in a vertical manner), then I (solo) and (mute) the frases with the pads, are you with me? Althought you use the FCB1010, I thing you might want to do the same, have pre-recorded loops loaded into Live and Solo and Mute them on flight is that correct? If that is your aim, just set Live loop to receive a MIDI message control on the loop you wish to assign and press the footcontrol you want to asssign to it, and that is all. In Reason I just presse crtl+click and I select>edit MIDI key, in LIVE I believe i quite the same, I just don't remember how to assign the key, but I am sure that kind info is in capital letters on the PDF help. I hope I was clear enough since my comand of english language is average, remember I live in Brazil now, and I don't get to speak queen's language very often :) By the way does anyone know how to record continuous loops in Logic whlile it plays back the previous ones ? (in real time of course?) Best of Luck KOBNA BRAZIL. www.kobna.com =20 =20 The following setup Reason X FCB 1010, this is very easy to get around,=20 On 9/6/05, Daniel Fredriksson wrote: > Hey. I'm a newbee on the list, as well as in the loop-world.=20 >=20 > I have a question regarding Ableton Live 4 together with > midi-footcontrollers wich I'm hoping someone could help me out with. I wi= ll > use a Behringer FCB1010, and will mainly use it to launch and stop clips = on > stage with Live (planning to get into live-looping later on, but for now= I > stay with pre-recorded loops...) And it would be great if I did'nt have = to > keep track of wich is the on and off for every clip. Plus I would be able= to > controll more clips, obviously...=20 >=20 > So that's my question - is it possible to make a setup in live so that th= e > same button on a midi-controller, most specific the FCB1010, turns a clip= on > and off? >=20 > As stated, I'm a total newbee on loops and midicontrolls, so a nice step = by > step solution (if there is any) would make me a happy boy... > /Daniel >=20 > =20 > Daniel Fredriksson > daniel@silkwood.se > www.silkwood.se >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 6 22:47:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 380FC3BED3; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 22:47:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4m1qPWKdxYcUgu3q4/MswczzC3HNrJlCFtRcyVUI0JOnE84iBRtuo1UAM36SlzPi1EH9y8UWQFYYJZI4XcziX6rgDvuBSjJ2x8giM815LvrB+yF8TeYdTjLIfSPPV07IMlB0LTZFLLF3N+ID2d9PxYvXe8ScrRgnpOgTpzOetaQ= ; Message-ID: <20050906224744.64977.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 15:47:44 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Cooking your delays? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <51569.213.100.44.49.1115766995.squirrel@213.100.44.49> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 22:47:46 +0000 (UTC) Another good trick is to put a multieffect (for me a Lexicon MPX1... that I must send out for repair) in my Repeater's effect loop and spin the dial to a random preset and see what my loop sounds like when it gets played back. Fun! Mark --- "clumsybeats.org" wrote: > beautiful. i can imagine happy accidents fried in > randomness, waiting for > you, digesting... > hello to the list > > stéphane > > > > I like leaving my tape delays, pedals, delay and > looping plugins > > running for a long time, for instance while I'm > having dinner and > > whatnot. When I return, there's often distorted > loveliness waiting for > > me in the cans. > > > > Do you do that as well? Any tips? > > > > Andreas. > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 7 01:20:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 577593BECD; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 01:20:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2005 21:19:56 -0400 Subject: Loop 3 chips available...... From: todd reynolds To: LD Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3208886400_241583" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 01:20:03 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3208886400_241583 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I have no idea why anyone could use a couple of loop 3 chips, but I have them, so I thought I=B9d ask... Anyone need a couple of loop 3 chips? T. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com http://www.ethelcentral.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn --B_3208886400_241583 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Loop 3 chips available...... I have no idea why any= one could use a couple of loop 3 chips, but I have them, so I thought I̵= 7;d ask...

Anyone need a couple of loop 3 chips?

T.


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 --B_3208886400_241583-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 7 02:47:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 107273BECC; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 02:47:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:Importance; b=HX8yTnGxNOKF9n/KAXYuiKBxLAfEfYpSfxSw0yHkAPCYy7lYZVe6/QKVdULg8MVPXN52gEK7jqYbTnoV7RczIeZxB4kWoQ8CozcEXyMXGDclXOmprIBDCy96I7T3MOa6abCRn2G+UJkhdmb7cQiSoxg5px7Wu3XiQE5V2JBCvLE= ; From: "Ken Pendergrass" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: newbie with RDS-900 help? Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 19:41:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 02:47:20 +0000 (UTC) Howdy- I typically wait and watch a list awhile before asking a question, but I just bought a used Digitech RDS-900 Digital Delay System and hope someone can help. I teach elementary school music and originally got this for myself and guitar, but after goofing around with this last night, I think it would be cool for some applications in my school music program. I don't have a manual, but did find a link to the RDS 7.6 Time Machine at loopersdelight.com and some references to the RDS 900 in some archived messages. So here are my questions- if off topic or too elementary, forgive me- REPEAT HOLD- 1) I plugged a Casio sustain pedal (non-latching?) into the REPEAT HOLD jack on the back and was able to create a 2+ second loop whenever I hit a chord of even just scratched the string and kept the pedal down. So I'm guessing it's a type of sampler, but the signal had to be fairly strong. Wild effects as I messed with the speed, width and depth knobs...is it ok to use this type of pedal? any thoughts? CONTROL VOLTAGE OUTPUT JACK 2) The block diagram shows this connected to the LFO (? frequency oscilator)- when I hooked up the pedal to this jack, I think I was tweaking the speed and/or width of the delay? Any insight or pedal suggestions for this jack? All the other buttons and jacks are similar to the later RDS 1000, 2000, 4000, 8000 (downloaded the manual from digitech) and think I understand how these work. And finally, I do a fair amount of electronic music via mac and garageband with my students and they love it...after messing around with this vintage delay system, I'm looking for looping resources to use with my students. I think some of my kids could create some cool music, especially in a live context with a looping unit of some sort>>> ok- i'll stop babbling know. thanks for reading my post. *mystro2b in Seattle* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 7 04:42:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C75B3BED0; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 04:42:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <431E6FCF.3090504@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 06:42:55 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Stuff in the feedback loop, Was: Cooking your delays? References: <20050906224744.64977.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050906224744.64977.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 04:42:58 +0000 (UTC) Good point, which brings us to another good subject: I'm building my own super-duper Reaktor patch for looping, since I'm tired of looper limitations and convoluted interfaces. It will be based on four of these looping beauties: http://www.nativeinstruments.de/index.php?id=userlibrary_us&type=0&ulbr=1&ftu=f3e347af65&plview=detail&patchid=2392 and a bunch of effects( filters, saturator/distortions, granulators, other delay lines, gates etc.) and I want the structure of the patch to be at least semi-modular, to allow esoteric stuff, like using the effects in the feedback chain. But since i have to build the crap myself, are there any of your who have some good ideas for effects and routing? Mixer configurations? Any help would be appreciated. --- oh, and I intend to use the patch in conjunction with Live5, so I can route audio out and loop that too. Best, Andreas mark sottilaro wrote: >Another good trick is to put a multieffect (for me a >Lexicon MPX1... that I must send out for repair) in my >Repeater's effect loop and spin the dial to a random >preset and see what my loop sounds like when it gets >played back. Fun! > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 7 06:51:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8927F3BECF; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 06:51:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <013801c5b378$99d09bc0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Other Languages at L.D.? Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 23:51:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 06:51:41 +0000 (UTC) Daniel wrote: "PS. Hälsa så gott till min bandkompis Samuel Andersson om du träffar honom innan mig (jag bor i Umeå), tror att det är dig han ska börja ta looplektioner av! Det är bra, då kan han lära mig allt du kan... :) It's rather refreshing to see a language other than English posted on Loopers Delight (even though I can't read what you said). Claude, did you see this? I remember you posting in French a few years ago out of the same exasperation. I know that in Japan the two artists who will co-headline this coming Y2K5 Festival do not read enough English to be on this list. I'm just so grateful to Sunao Inami and Aci for hipping me to these two really sophisticated non-English speaking live loopers. We would have missed their valuable contribution otherwise. I was wondering how we could reach out to the many many Japanese, Italian, French, German and other language speaking live loopers out there. We must not be reaching a very large number of artists who are part of our extended family. Any suggestions? Posting notices in different language electronic or live music forums, perhaps? Rick (one of those Americans who, depressingly, was never encouraged to learn another language thus botching several languages horribly even when trying to order coffee....lol) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 7 06:58:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C3803BED2; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 06:58:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <748DF804-0BC9-4D33-B271-68B1EF17B1BE@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Loop 3 chips available...... Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 08:58:53 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 06:58:56 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 7, 2005, at 3:19, todd reynolds wrote: > I have no idea why anyone could use a couple of loop 3 chips, but I =20= > have them, so I thought I=92d ask... > > Anyone need a couple of loop 3 chips? I have one Loop 3 here, put to rest in a drawer. Don't need it since =20 I got Loop 4. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 7 07:18:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AB103BECC; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 07:18:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <431E6FCF.3090504@post.cybercity.dk> References: <20050906224744.64977.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> <431E6FCF.3090504@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Stuff in the feedback loop, Was: Cooking your delays? Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:18:02 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 07:18:06 +0000 (UTC) Andreas, If possible, throw in as many as possible separate virtual outputs for all effects. Then, when used in Live 5, you are not restricted to keep them in the loopers internal feedback pipe. You can also choose to send out a pipe to another channel in Live. BTW I'm not sure that I personally would like to have effects built into the looper patch. If multiple outputs are available - at different stages of the signal path - I think I would prefer to route a part of the signal out into Live and apply the effect there instead. This would be a more modular approach that can be better customized. But maybe you have a good reason for stuffing it all into that Reaktor patch? I have very limited experience with Reactor myself. But regarding "stuff in the feedback loop" I am very experienced and I would like to recommend anyone to explore this area. "Stuff in the feedback loop" was actually what brought me into looping back in the early eighties. I had a hardware delay and a harmonizer and found that I could cable the harmonizer in the effect loop of the delay and have each delay slap loop back at a different pitch; a "cascading" effect. Some of my favorite Pluggo plug-ins (Cycling74) appears to use the "stuff in feedback loop" concept, as does also the Eventide Eclipse, TC FireworX and many other interesting audio tools (as far as my ears can tell....) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen On Sep 7, 2005, at 6:42, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > Good point, which brings us to another good subject: > I'm building my own super-duper Reaktor patch for looping, since > I'm tired of looper limitations and convoluted interfaces. It will > be based on four of these looping beauties: > http://www.nativeinstruments.de/index.php? > id=userlibrary_us&type=0&ulbr=1&ftu=f3e347af65&plview=detail&patchid=2 > 392 > and a bunch of effects( filters, saturator/distortions, > granulators, other delay lines, gates etc.) and I want the > structure of the patch to be at least semi-modular, to allow > esoteric stuff, like using the effects in the feedback chain. But > since i have to build the crap myself, are there any of your who > have some good ideas for effects and routing? Mixer configurations? > Any help would be appreciated. > > --- oh, and I intend to use the patch in conjunction with Live5, so > I can route audio out and loop that too. > Best, > > Andreas > mark sottilaro wrote: > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 7 10:53:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8E903BECC; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 10:53:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008401c5b39a$48ab79a0$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: Subject: Zurich loopfest.....ten days after... Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 12:52:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0081_01C5B3AB.0993FC40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 10:53:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C5B3AB.0993FC40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi loopers ! When I come back in Italy, after the Zurich loopfest, my computer got = some internet connection problems, so I didn't receive any mail from = this list and and I cannot post my impression about the festival. First of all, a mention for Bernhard Wagner who organized a very = professional festival, with an expert stage staff. I was impressed by the quality of the sound coming from the monitors and = the speakers, expecially, thinking that there were about ten artist at = night sharing the stage. So I want to remember the technical staff for = their good work. Bernhard presented every artist like a professional front-man and was = open to all the desires coming form us. A very kindly person and a = friend. I spent some time talking with his brother and sister and they = are kindly persons too. It was an amazing and richfull experience for me, even if I didn't feel = so happy for my performance, because, before starting, I was very = stressed by connecting cables, mounting keyboards on the stands and = connecting all my gear. So the first thing I've discovered is that I = have a lot to learn about this.=20 In the days (26-27-28 august) I was in Zurich I have learn a lot of = techinic stuff and ideas about looping.=20 I've seen very interesting performances and insusual instruments. I want to remember expecially the Stefen Keller's quadraphonic flutes, = and the amazing vocal performance od Michael Shiefel, but I like the = Loiber-Beier duo, and the Claude Voit acoustic/treated guitar and the = Trianguli Zona atmosphere and video installation, too. I've meet a lot of friendly looper-people and come back at home full of = CD that now I'm listen to with a growned interest: Rick Walker and his = brother Bill, Michael Klobuchar, Roberto Zorzi and Luca Formentini, = Michael Peteres, Matthias Grob, Per Boysen, Philipp Zurcher, Andy = Butler, James Sidlo, Mike Bearpark and Os, Dan Mayfield, and...sorry if = I've forgot someone. It was a nice time, talking, drinking (wine) and eating with everyone of = you. I come back at home full of power. For me, this experience was the most = interesting in the last ten years. Greetings to you all, loopers, and I hope to met you in the future = (maybe in Italy....) Ciao Fabio Anile=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C5B3AB.0993FC40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi loopers = !
When I come back = in Italy,=20 after the Zurich loopfest, my computer got some internet connection = problems, so=20 I didn't receive any mail from this list and and I cannot post my = impression=20 about the festival.
 
First of all, a mention = for=20 Bernhard Wagner who organized a very professional festival, with an = expert=20 stage staff.
I was impressed by the = quality of=20 the sound coming from the monitors and the speakers, expecially, = thinking that=20 there were about ten artist at night sharing the stage. So I want to = remember=20 the technical staff for their good work.
Bernhard presented = every artist=20 like a professional front-man and was open to all the desires coming = form us.=20 A very kindly person = and a=20 friend. I spent some time talking with his brother and sister and they = are=20 kindly persons too.
 
It was an amazing and = richfull=20 experience for me, even if I didn't feel so happy for my = performance,=20 because, before starting, I was very stressed by connecting cables, = mounting keyboards on the stands and connecting all my gear. So the = first thing=20 I've discovered is = that=20 I have a lot to learn about this.
In the days = (26-27-28 august)=20 I was in Zurich I have learn a lot of techinic stuff and ideas = about=20 looping.
I've seen very = interesting=20 performances and insusual instruments.
I want to remember = expecially the=20 Stefen Keller's quadraphonic flutes, and the amazing vocal performance = od=20 Michael Shiefel, but I like the Loiber-Beier duo, and the Claude Voit=20 acoustic/treated guitar and the Trianguli Zona atmosphere and video=20 installation, too.
 
I've meet a lot of=20 friendly looper-people and come back at home full of CD that = now=20 I'm listen to with a growned interest: Rick Walker and his brother Bill, = Michael=20 Klobuchar, Roberto Zorzi and Luca Formentini, Michael Peteres, Matthias = Grob,=20 Per Boysen, Philipp Zurcher, Andy Butler, James Sidlo, Mike Bearpark and = Os, Dan=20 Mayfield, and...sorry if I've forgot someone.
It was a nice time, = talking,=20 drinking (wine) and eating with everyone of you.
 
I come back at home = full of power.=20 For me, this experience was the most interesting in the last ten=20 years.
Greetings to you all, loopers, and I hope to = met you=20 in  the future (maybe in Italy....)
 
Ciao
 
Fabio=20 Anile
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0081_01C5B3AB.0993FC40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 7 12:05:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 023A63BEC5; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 12:05:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: Zurich loopfest.....ten days after... Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 14:04:53 +0200 Message-ID: <00a201c5b3a4$649dd180$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <008401c5b39a$48ab79a0$040a0a0a@fabio> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.7 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: <3q7PoD.A.P3G.XetHDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 12:05:43 +0000 (UTC) Dear Fabio and all other loop artists Thank you very much, Fabio, for the nice words! I forwarded your mail to = the tech people. I feel very lucky that you, like so many others, have decided to come = play at this festival even though the financial backing was minimal. I want to thank you all for the fantastic spirit you put into the whole thing! On http://loopfestival.com/ you can find a review of the first festival = day that I translated to English. Please let me know if it needs amendments. There should be at least one more review coming up, I'll keep you = posted. Bernhard http://nosuch.biz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 7 12:28:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E5553BED0; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 12:28:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,175,1122850800"; d="scan'208"; a="12955907:sNHT17248462" Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050907131647.030530c0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 13:21:41 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: edp In-Reply-To: <20050907105302.561953BED5@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050907105302.561953BED5@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 12:28:01 +0000 (UTC) At 11:53 07/09/05, you wrote: >Thanks for the suggestion Travis, I tried that but.... no change, no err >messages nothin on the display at all. Well, you could try reseating all the chips. If the display is completely dead, next thing to check is "is there a slight hum from the transformer?". andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 7 12:41:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D3B53BED6; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 12:41:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-4.tower-83.messagelabs.com!1126096908!24744704!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC882D@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: lexicon boxes Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 13:42:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5B3A9.9DDA9500" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 12:41:53 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5B3A9.9DDA9500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>for me a Lexicon MPX1... that I must send out for repair...<< for some reason I'm hearing a lot about duff lexicon boxes the last couple of weeks. not the jamman or vortex, with external psu, but the mid to high end rack effects with smpsu's in them. we have two dead pcm80s here, both with power supply & a>d problems. one is landfill now, because (so lexicon say) the a>d chip is no longer available. the other is starting to go the same way. while I was pondering this, an mpx1 came in from another studio, again with a duff psu. the guys in the workshop give you /that/ look when you mention lexicon. I just bought an mpx500 (ebay bargain, or so I thought...) which I was considering putting into my band's live-rig in place of a ten years old quadraverb that's never let us down. now I'm not so sure.... I'm not scared of changing out a psu- they're all quite straightforward inside, these boxes, & generally some variety of 12s & 5s will get them running.... but I am concerned about reliability, & other components that may fail inopportunely. fwiw, we've had similar problems with some tc units (we use dbmax on most of the music channels), but statistically that makes a bit more sense as we have around 40 of them, & they're on all the time. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5B3A9.9DDA9500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: lexicon boxes

>>for me a Lexicon MPX1... that I must send out for= repair...<<

for some reason I'm hearing a lot about duff lexicon boxe= s the last couple of weeks. not the jamman or vortex, with external psu, bu= t the mid to high end rack effects with smpsu's in them.

we have two dead pcm80s here, both with power supply &= ; a>d problems. one is landfill now, because (so lexicon say) the a>d= chip is no longer available. the other is starting to go the same way. whi= le I was pondering this, an mpx1 came in from another studio, again with a = duff psu. the guys in the workshop give you /that/ look when you mention le= xicon.

I just bought an mpx500 (ebay bargain, or so I thought...= ) which I was considering putting into my band's live-rig in place of a ten= years old quadraverb that's never let us down. now I'm not so sure....

I'm not scared of changing out a psu- they're all quite s= traightforward inside, these boxes, & generally some variety of 12s &am= p; 5s will get them running.... but I am concerned about reliability, &= other components that may fail inopportunely.

fwiw, we've had similar problems with some tc units (we u= se dbmax on most of the music channels), but statistically that makes a bit= more sense as we have around 40 of them, & they're on all the time.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C5B3A9.9DDA9500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 7 12:44:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF7633BEDA; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 12:44:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 08:46:35 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Cooking your delays? To: mark sottilaro , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <008f01c5b3aa$72cd5a40$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050906224744.64977.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 12:44:58 +0000 (UTC) I've been warming up with the "I have no idea what this will sound like" strategy for years. Turn on all my gear EXCEPT the playback faders, load in a buncha notes, then raise the faders. dB, coyote ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 6:47 PM Subject: Re: Cooking your delays? > Another good trick is to put a multieffect (for me a > Lexicon MPX1... that I must send out for repair) in my > Repeater's effect loop and spin the dial to a random > preset and see what my loop sounds like when it gets > played back. Fun! > > Mark > > --- "clumsybeats.org" wrote: > > > beautiful. i can imagine happy accidents fried in > > randomness, waiting for > > you, digesting... > > hello to the list > > > > stéphane > > > > > > > I like leaving my tape delays, pedals, delay and > > looping plugins > > > running for a long time, for instance while I'm > > having dinner and > > > whatnot. When I return, there's often distorted > > loveliness waiting for > > > me in the cans. > > > > > > Do you do that as well? Any tips? > > > > > > Andreas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 7 13:13:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 591453BEC5; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 13:13:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=26bcL4zezOJoM734OPz9teRgtu9LuYDQGnetFrs7fdG1DygMSepL6U8Wi9jb6pFUKJPFKMH50DnWwQ34dh+0CkG/WN07IB0mT3NkqCLtn+kTCOs4DFOTLdcfH0qlmRCaBzhGV2kwaHY1reWDqQ0Q7RvcTgn4g7QhRBDYdG5dCTY= ; Message-ID: <20050907131352.23197.qmail@web32714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 06:13:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: RE: lexicon boxes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC882D@lon-oxmail02> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1944323669-1126098832=:19793" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 13:13:54 +0000 (UTC) --0-1944323669-1126098832=:19793 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have an MPX100 which I got for only $99 new and unused - the chip was defective but after calling the 800 # and sending it off they had it back to me with a new chip within 48 hours and at no charge. It's been working for a few years now with no problems and I've used it alot. A friend of mine also has a 100 and has been using it for many years. This model has been replaced by the MPX110 which he says is not as good and does have these problems and that the MPX100, a "budget" model is more reliable than most of the better Lexicon models. ??? Monica goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: >>for me a Lexicon MPX1... that I must send out for repair...<< for some reason I'm hearing a lot about duff lexicon boxes the last couple of weeks. not the jamman or vortex, with external psu, but the mid to high end rack effects with smpsu's in them. we have two dead pcm80s here, both with power supply & a>d problems. one is landfill now, because (so lexicon say) the a>d chip is no longer available. the other is starting to go the same way. while I was pondering this, an mpx1 came in from another studio, again with a duff psu. the guys in the workshop give you /that/ look when you mention lexicon. I just bought an mpx500 (ebay bargain, or so I thought...) which I was considering putting into my band's live-rig in place of a ten years old quadraverb that's never let us down. now I'm not so sure.... I'm not scared of changing out a psu- they're all quite straightforward inside, these boxes, & generally some variety of 12s & 5s will get them running.... but I am concerned about reliability, & other components that may fail inopportunely. fwiw, we've had similar problems with some tc units (we use dbmax on most of the music channels), but statistically that makes a bit more sense as we have around 40 of them, & they're on all the time. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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I have an MPX100 which I got for only $99 new and unused - the chip was defective
but after calling the 800 # and sending it off they had it back to me with a new chip
within 48 hours and at no charge. It's been working for a few years now with no problems
and I've used it alot. A friend of mine also has a 100 and has been using it for many years.
This model has been replaced by the MPX110 which he says is not as good and does
have these problems and that the MPX100, a "budget" model is more reliable than most
of the better Lexicon models. ???
Monica

goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote:

>>for me a Lexicon MPX1... that I must send out for repair...<<

for some reason I'm hearing a lot about duff lexicon boxes the last couple of weeks. not the jamman or vortex, with external psu, but the mid to high end rack effects with smpsu's in them.

we have two dead pcm80s here, both with power supply & a>d problems. one is landfill now, because (so lexicon say) the a>d chip is no longer available. the other is starting to go the same way. while I was pondering this, an mpx1 came in from another studio, again with a duff psu. the guys in the workshop give you /that/ look when you mention lexicon.

I just bought an mpx500 (ebay bargain, or so I thought...) which I was considering putting into my band's live-rig in place of a ten years old quadraverb that's never let us down. now I'm not so sure....

I'm not scared of changing out a psu- they're all quite straightforward inside, these boxes, & generally some variety of 12s & 5s will get them running.... but I am concerned about reliability, & other components that may fail inopportunely.

fwiw, we've had similar problems with some tc units (we use dbmax on most of the music channels), but statistically that makes a bit more sense as we have around 40 of them, & they're on all the time.

duncan.



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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1944323669-1126098832=:19793-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 7 14:09:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8108C3BED0; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 14:09:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: FW: andy butler's new live-looping cd Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:08:13 +0200 Message-ID: <00c201c5b3b5$a3c730c0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.7 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 14:09:12 +0000 (UTC) > -----Original Message----- > From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Montag, 5. September 2005 20:52 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: andy butler's new live-looping cd >=20 > Bernhard, in addition to Synced (which I just bought, do you have a > prior solo release? Hi Kris, Thanks a lot for your interest and for buying the "SYNCED!" CD! There are so many loopfestival-related mails I should send but seeing a promotion opportunity I respond: I don't have prior-"SYNCED!" solo CDs out but one that just came out: http://nosuch.biz/fourthNight There's a duo CD out on burning shed with Michael Bearpark (http://pedaltone.com, website still under construction) Until it = appears on burning shed this CD can be bought from Michael (UK) or myself. There's more live material around from last year that still waits to be = put on CD. And if I'm lucky, there will be some pretty recent duo stuff... = I'll let you know. Will you be at the Y2K5? I could bring some cds then. Thank you very much! Bernhard http://nosuch.biz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 7 14:29:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A0393BED6; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 14:29:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000801c5b3b8$ad5c7840$1f03d00c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <20050906224744.64977.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> <431E6FCF.3090504@post.cybercity.dk> Subject: Re: Stuff in the feedback loop, Was: Cooking your delays? Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:30:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 14:29:52 +0000 (UTC) I've played around with looping in Reaktor some, building a Reaktor version of my jazz looping setup: http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html#V2 Here's ascreen shot of the newer Reaktor version so far: http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html#V3 I don't have any effect-in-the-feedback-loop stuff on it, but maybe I can offer some suggestions. What I did was set up a step sequencer which is advanced by hitting a pedal. For each step in the sequence, you set all the parameters of what should be happening, so by hitting the footswitch, you can make a bunch of things change simultaneously. Like in the screenshot, it's doing this: Step 0: Top 4 strings go through octave divider for bass sound Bottom 2 strings go through octave divider for bass sound Drums: Play ride cymbal loop, but volume is turned all the way down Hits: No cymbal crash on thie step Tapedeck 1: Not recording, not playing Tapedeck 2: Not recording, not playing Tapedeck 3: Not recording, not playing For each step you can set all these things, so it can go instantly from recording on tapedeck 1 to playing on tapedeck1 while recording on tapedeck 2, or whatever you want. You could easily set up step sequencer control of effects or anything else. The idea is to have different sequencer settings for each song, stored in a snapshot. Then change snapshots to do a different song. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 7 15:25:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89CB63BED8; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 15:25:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <001001c5b3c0$660c44e0$c1a1fe91@inap> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC882D@lon-oxmail02> Subject: Re: lexicon boxes Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 15:15:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005D_01C5B3BE.EE3C1400" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 15:25:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C5B3BE.EE3C1400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: lexicon boxesThis reliability issue of Lexicon units seems to be = widespread among the high-end sort of stuff. My tech had a Marshall Time = Modulator with broken power supply, AMS reverb and delay, Klark Teknik = DN 780... all had reliability issues centered around the PS/AD section = (luckily the Marshall=B4s delay section was not affected). I was tempted = to buy some Lexicon 224XL/300 reverbs but luckily my purse said "no!". I = think I=B4m better off with my Dynacord DRP-20X. Stephen "I=B4m striving for the mysterious. The obvious doesn=B4t interest me." = (Jon Hassell) Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com WTB: "England=B4s Hidden Reverse" by David Keenan (Coil, Current93, = Nurse With Wound, David Tibet). ----- Original Message -----=20 From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 2:42 PM Subject: RE: lexicon boxes >>for me a Lexicon MPX1... that I must send out for repair...<<=20 for some reason I'm hearing a lot about duff lexicon boxes the last = couple of weeks. not the jamman or vortex, with external psu, but the = mid to high end rack effects with smpsu's in them.=20 we have two dead pcm80s here, both with power supply & a>d problems. = one is landfill now, because (so lexicon say) the a>d chip is no longer = available. the other is starting to go the same way. while I was = pondering this, an mpx1 came in from another studio, again with a duff = psu. the guys in the workshop give you /that/ look when you mention = lexicon. I just bought an mpx500 (ebay bargain, or so I thought...) which I was = considering putting into my band's live-rig in place of a ten years old = quadraverb that's never let us down. now I'm not so sure.... I'm not scared of changing out a psu- they're all quite = straightforward inside, these boxes, & generally some variety of 12s & = 5s will get them running.... but I am concerned about reliability, & = other components that may fail inopportunely.=20 fwiw, we've had similar problems with some tc units (we use dbmax on = most of the music channels), but statistically that makes a bit more = sense as we have around 40 of them, & they're on all the time. duncan.=20 = *************************************************************************= ** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may=20 not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct=20 and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe = *************************************************************************= ** ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C5B3BE.EE3C1400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: lexicon boxes

This reliability issue of Lexicon units seems to = be=20 widespread among the high-end sort of stuff. My tech had a Marshall = Time=20 Modulator with broken power supply, AMS reverb and delay, Klark Teknik = DN 780...=20 all had reliability issues centered around the PS/AD section (luckily = the=20 Marshall=B4s delay section was not affected). I was tempted to buy some = Lexicon=20 224XL/300 reverbs but luckily my purse said "no!". I think I=B4m better = off with=20 my Dynacord DRP-20X.
 
Stephen
 
 
"I=B4m striving for the mysterious. The obvious doesn=B4t interest = me." (Jon=20 Hassell)
 
Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com
 
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Subject: RE: lexicon = boxes

>>for me a Lexicon MPX1... that I must send = out for=20 repair...<<

for some reason I'm hearing a lot about duff lexicon = boxes the=20 last couple of weeks. not the jamman or vortex, with external psu, but = the mid=20 to high end rack effects with smpsu's in them.

we have two dead pcm80s here, both with power supply = &=20 a>d problems. one is landfill now, because (so lexicon say) the = a>d chip=20 is no longer available. the other is starting to go the same way. = while I was=20 pondering this, an mpx1 came in from another studio, again with a duff = psu.=20 the guys in the workshop give you /that/ look when you mention=20 lexicon.

I just bought an mpx500 (ebay bargain, or so I = thought...)=20 which I was considering putting into my band's live-rig in place of a = ten=20 years old quadraverb that's never let us down. now I'm not so=20 sure....

I'm not scared of changing out a psu- they're all = quite=20 straightforward inside, these boxes, & generally some variety of = 12s &=20 5s will get them running.... but I am concerned about reliability, = & other=20 components that may fail inopportunely.

fwiw, we've had similar problems with some tc units = (we use=20 dbmax on most of the music channels), but statistically that makes a = bit more=20 sense as we have around 40 of them, & they're on all the = time.

duncan.



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 ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01C5B3BE.EE3C1400-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 7 15:48:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F2D03BED2; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 15:48:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5B3C3.9E7E0229" Subject: Attack of the Killer Mini Tabla - Live Clip Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:48:40 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01418259@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Attack of the Killer Mini Tabla - Live Clip Thread-Index: AcWzw536jrfB1kttQtydA73jdK9yYA== From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Sep 2005 15:48:42.0765 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F9AE3D0:01C5B3C3] Resent-Message-ID: <0asU1.A.ETH.evwHDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 15:48:47 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5B3C3.9E7E0229 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A cut from my last live looping performance on Sept. 3....looping back to that conversation we had several months ago regarding buying tablas and looping, mini tablas, etc.... Attack of the Killer Mini Tabla http://box.net/public/khartung/files/656113.html (someone needs to sneak into my laptop and delete that Pluggo feedback generator VST effect from my system...it is way too addictive and fun) Incidentally, to the four of you out there who I saw listening in on my live stream, thanks for dropping in! It's good that you stuck around for the last set, when I warmed up and started doing something remotely interesting. :) This live streaming thing is just working out perfectly...not a single problem so far. I just boot up, my laptop sniffs out the WI-FI connection at the venue, I launch Winamp, connect to the ShoutCast Server, and away I go. So easy, it's disgusting. ************************************************************************ **************** Krispen Hartung Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist=20 http://www.krispenhartung.com=20 info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603=20 Performance Calendar: http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3DKrispen%20Ha= rtu ng Gear setup: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5B3C3.9E7E0229 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Attack of the Killer Mini Tabla - Live Clip

A cut from my last live looping = performance on Sept. 3….looping back to that conversation we had = several months ago regarding buying tablas and looping, mini tablas, = etc….

Attack of the Killer Mini Tabla
http://box.net/public/khartung/files/656113.html  (someone needs to sneak into = my laptop and delete that Pluggo feedback generator VST effect from my = system…it is way too addictive and fun)

Incidentally, to the four of you out = there who I saw listening in on my live stream, thanks for dropping = in!  It's good that you stuck around for the last set, when I = warmed up and started doing something remotely interesting. = :)

This live streaming thing is just = working out perfectly…not a single problem so far. I just boot up, = my laptop sniffs out the WI-FI connection at the venue, I launch Winamp, = connect to the ShoutCast Server, and away I go. So easy, it's = disgusting.

**********************************************************= ******************************
Krispen = Hartung
Improvisational / = Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603
Performance = Calendar:
http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&v= alue=3DKrispen%20Hartung
Gear setup: = http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm






------_=_NextPart_001_01C5B3C3.9E7E0229-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 7 16:04:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB40A3BED2; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:04:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.200] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <001001c5b3c0$660c44e0$c1a1fe91@inap> From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: lexicon boxes Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 12:04:35 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Sep 2005 16:04:35.0159 (UTC) FILETIME=[D746AE70:01C5B3C5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:04:40 +0000 (UTC) Maybe check w/ this guy: http://www.jimfabiano.com/ Looks like he does the famous 19sec mod for pcm42's too. Sorry to hear about the pcm80's. I never had a problem w/ mine. Perhaps, when Harman took over Lexicon they cheaped out the brand Regards Lou >From: "Wavecomputer360" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: lexicon boxes >Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 15:15:07 +0200 > >RE: lexicon boxesThis reliability issue of Lexicon units seems to be >widespread among the high-end sort of stuff. My tech had a Marshall Time >Modulator with broken power supply, AMS reverb and delay, Klark Teknik DN >780... all had reliability issues centered around the PS/AD section >(luckily the Marshall´s delay section was not affected). I was tempted to >buy some Lexicon 224XL/300 reverbs but luckily my purse said "no!". I think >I´m better off with my Dynacord DRP-20X. > >Stephen > > >"I´m striving for the mysterious. The obvious doesn´t interest me." (Jon >Hassell) > >Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com > >WTB: "England´s Hidden Reverse" by David Keenan (Coil, Current93, Nurse >With Wound, David Tibet). > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 2:42 PM > Subject: RE: lexicon boxes > > > >>for me a Lexicon MPX1... that I must send out for repair...<< > > for some reason I'm hearing a lot about duff lexicon boxes the last >couple of weeks. not the jamman or vortex, with external psu, but the mid >to high end rack effects with smpsu's in them. > > we have two dead pcm80s here, both with power supply & a>d problems. one >is landfill now, because (so lexicon say) the a>d chip is no longer >available. the other is starting to go the same way. while I was pondering >this, an mpx1 came in from another studio, again with a duff psu. the guys >in the workshop give you /that/ look when you mention lexicon. > > I just bought an mpx500 (ebay bargain, or so I thought...) which I was >considering putting into my band's live-rig in place of a ten years old >quadraverb that's never let us down. now I'm not so sure.... > > I'm not scared of changing out a psu- they're all quite straightforward >inside, these boxes, & generally some variety of 12s & 5s will get them >running.... but I am concerned about reliability, & other components that >may fail inopportunely. > > fwiw, we've had similar problems with some tc units (we use dbmax on >most of the music channels), but statistically that makes a bit more sense >as we have around 40 of them, & they're on all the time. > > duncan. > > > > >*************************************************************************** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > be privileged. 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Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:20:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: zurich photos Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 18:20:04 +0200 Message-ID: <00d201c5b3c8$04aec1c0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D3_01C5B3D8.C83791C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000301c5b07d$30fe4d20$1c8abfd5@epi741531r1soi> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_80_90, HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:20:26 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D3_01C5B3D8.C83791C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks a lot, Ivan! The clock is sitting happily in my kitchen! I'd never thought I would bring a trophy home from the festival! I made a link from the loopfestival site to your gallery. Yours, Bernhard -----Original Message----- From: ivan kapec [mailto:ivan@roccoipartner.hr] Sent: Samstag, 3. September 2005 13:47 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: zurich photos Hello all, In consideration about loopfestival. Once again, thanks Bernhard for organization of such importan event. We had lot of good music, new sounds and of course, lot of fun. There were lot of good vibes and ideas for future collaboration beetween musicians. Here are some photos from the festival> http://www.triangulizona.com/Egallery.htm Thanks, also to all loopers who came in Zurich to share his experiences and musicianship with other. Best regards, ivan kapec ivan@triangulizona.com www.triangulizona.com ------=_NextPart_000_00D3_01C5B3D8.C83791C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_00D3_01C5B3D8.C83791C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 7 16:22:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F296C3BECD; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:22:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: [Flickr] Michael Peters has invited you to join Loopfestival Zurich 2005 Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 18:22:18 +0200 Message-ID: <00d901c5b3c8$544c3a00$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20050901162217.AC21682F5@www8.flickr.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:22:35 +0000 (UTC) Thanks a lot, Michael! I made a link from the http://loopfestival.com -site to the url http://www.flickr.com/groups/13509629@N00/ Yours, Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Peters (via Flickr) [mailto:mp@mpeters.de] > Sent: Donnerstag, 1. September 2005 18:22 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: [Flickr] Michael Peters has invited you to join Loopfestival > Zurich 2005 > > Hi Looper's Delight, > > share your Loopfestival Zurich 2005 images! > If you would like to join this group, click on the > following link (or copy and paste it into your web > browser). Then you can see what this group is all about! > > http://www.flickr.com/welcome/564056/959771/ > > > See you there! > > Michael Peters > > > p.s. If you are not interested, just ignore this email. > Flickr won't bug you again and there's nothing special you > have to do. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 7 16:34:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E0353BED6; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:34:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Attack of the Killer Mini Tabla - Live Clip Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 10:34:23 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01418291@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Attack of the Killer Mini Tabla - Live Clip Thread-Index: AcWzygEkOrv9k69UTqi6vzi98HoOLg== From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Sep 2005 16:34:24.0847 (UTC) FILETIME=[020365F0:01C5B3CA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:34:27 +0000 (UTC) Yep, I have two more WI-FI enabled performances in Oct...I'll send the details out as I did with these last few. I need to start thinking about broadening my horizons too...I'd like to start having folks over to my basement studio for group improv sessions, plus I think there is a way to collaborate with someone over the net, but it would involve a 10 sec delay...could be interesting....metered songs would be out of the question. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Todd Pafford [mailto:calenlas@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 10:11 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Attack of the Killer Mini Tabla - Live Clip Krispen, Glad to hear it went well and I'm sorry I missed it. Any more streaming performances coming up? Todd On 9/7/05, Hartung, Kris wrote: > =20 > =20 >=20 > A cut from my last live looping performance on Sept. 3....looping back > to that conversation we had several months ago regarding buying tablas > and looping, mini tablas, etc.... >=20 > Attack of the Killer Mini Tabla > http://box.net/public/khartung/files/656113.html (someone needs to=20 > sneak into my laptop and delete that Pluggo feedback generator VST=20 > effect from my system...it is way too addictive and fun) >=20 > Incidentally, to the four of you out there who I saw listening in on=20 > my live stream, thanks for dropping in! It's good that you stuck=20 > around for the last set, when I warmed up and started doing something remotely interesting. > :) >=20 > This live streaming thing is just working out perfectly...not a single > problem so far. I just boot up, my laptop sniffs out the WI-FI=20 > connection at the venue, I launch Winamp, connect to the ShoutCast=20 > Server, and away I go. So easy, it's disgusting. >=20 > ********************************************************************** > ****************** > Krispen Hartung > Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist=20 > http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603=20 > Performance Calendar: > = http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3DKrispen%20Ha= r > tung Gear setup: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 7 17:13:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC90B3BECF; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:13:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8835@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: lexicon boxes Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 18:13:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5B3CF.66C42560" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:13:20 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5B3CF.66C42560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" thanks all- good to know it's not just us at mtv europe. I'll keep a close eye on my mpx500 & keep it in the studio for now. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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I'll keep a close eye on my mpx500 & keep it in the studio for now.
 
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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5B3CF.66C42560-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 7 17:27:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 182D13BED3; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:27:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: "'LD'" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_Z=FCrich_Loopfest?= Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 19:26:52 +0200 Message-ID: <00ee01c5b3d1$59f607c0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1299025286.20050830152437@gmx.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.7 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:27:15 +0000 (UTC) > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthias Loibner [mailto:numbernine@gmx.net] > Sent: Dienstag, 30. August 2005 15:25 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Z=FCrich Loopfest >=20 >=20 > MP> Imagine this stuff with loops included. They are currently in the > studio > MP> working on their first album - I talked to Matthias and made sure = he > will > MP> post the release date on LD. >=20 > dear Michael, >=20 > thanx for posting this as I wanted to ask you for your name but had > no time when I was just leaving the stage. >=20 > btw: my personal website is: http://matthias.loibner.net >=20 >=20 > dear Bernhard, >=20 > sincere thanks for the organizing of the lavitsefpool. > It was a pity only to stay for one night but Tunji and me enjoyed the > relaxed atmosphere (among lots of loopers;-). The pleasure was mine! Bernhard http://nosuch.biz >=20 > and thank you, Andy Butler, for your beautiful music during our > setting up. >=20 > cheers, > Matthias From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 7 18:01:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF1B53BECC; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 18:01:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <431F2ACB.1050701@miquelmatas.com> Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 20:00:43 +0200 From: Miquel Matas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0536-2, 07/09/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: <5xxs9.A.rjE.wryHDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 18:01:20 +0000 (UTC) unsubscribe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 7 18:45:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FCA53BECF; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 18:45:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01418291@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01418291@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Attack of the Killer Mini Tabla - Live Clip Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 20:45:44 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: <2otDlD.A.usF.eVzHDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 18:45:50 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 7, 2005, at 18:34, Hartung, Kris wrote: > I need to start thinking about broadening my horizons too...I'd > like to > start having folks over to my basement studio for group improv > sessions, > plus I think there is a way to collaborate with someone over the net, > but it would involve a 10 sec delay...could be interesting....metered > songs would be out of the question. > > Kris Hey - Your idea are very interesting! And yes, it sure does implement some really sloooow music. How about setting up a chat client and musicians can go "will move to Eb minor in 12 seconds...." ;-) Or why not play according to some common theoretical improvisation concept? One quick example right out of the top of my head: synchronize your watches exactly and decide on something like moving up three semitones every 20th second, alternating between major or minor key at every key change. That would be very fun, both to play and listen to! Using the Internet Time Lag creatively instead of looking at it as a "a problem". / per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 7 18:51:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D05E73BECF; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 18:51:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1126118645.431f34f601e12@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 13:44:06 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Attack of the Killer Mini Tabla - Live Clip References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01418291@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 207.20.3.10 Resent-Message-ID: <7kaBMC.A.d7F.razHDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 18:51:23 +0000 (UTC) 'Using the Internet Time Lag creatively instead of looking at it as a "a problem".' one technique I have used with internet streaming is to tune into your own stream... which, of course, is looping.. :) peace -cpr Quoting Per Boysen : > On Sep 7, 2005, at 18:34, Hartung, Kris wrote: > > > I need to start thinking about broadening my horizons too...I'd > > like to > > start having folks over to my basement studio for group improv > > sessions, > > plus I think there is a way to collaborate with someone over the net, > > but it would involve a 10 sec delay...could be interesting....metered > > songs would be out of the question. > > > > Kris > > > Hey - Your idea are very interesting! And yes, it sure does implement > some really sloooow music. How about setting up a chat client and > musicians can go "will move to Eb minor in 12 seconds...." ;-) > > Or why not play according to some common theoretical improvisation > concept? One quick example right out of the top of my head: > synchronize your watches exactly and decide on something like moving > up three semitones every 20th second, alternating between major or > minor key at every key change. That would be very fun, both to play > and listen to! Using the Internet Time Lag creatively instead of > looking at it as a "a problem". > > / per > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 7 18:51:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 815A43BEDC; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 18:51:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <431F36B8.7050001@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 20:51:36 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Attack of the Killer Mini Tabla - Live Clip References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01418291@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01418291@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 18:51:39 +0000 (UTC) Kris, have you tried Ninjam? It works really well: www.ninjam.com Andreas Hartung, Kris wrote: >Yep, I have two more WI-FI enabled performances in Oct...I'll send the >details out as I did with these last few. > >I need to start thinking about broadening my horizons too...I'd like to >start having folks over to my basement studio for group improv sessions, >plus I think there is a way to collaborate with someone over the net, >but it would involve a 10 sec delay...could be interesting....metered >songs would be out of the question. > >Kris > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Todd Pafford [mailto:calenlas@gmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 10:11 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Attack of the Killer Mini Tabla - Live Clip > >Krispen, > >Glad to hear it went well and I'm sorry I missed it. Any more streaming >performances coming up? > >Todd > > > >On 9/7/05, Hartung, Kris wrote: > > >> >> >> >>A cut from my last live looping performance on Sept. 3....looping back >> >> > > > >>to that conversation we had several months ago regarding buying tablas >> >> > > > >>and looping, mini tablas, etc.... >> >>Attack of the Killer Mini Tabla >>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/656113.html (someone needs to >>sneak into my laptop and delete that Pluggo feedback generator VST >>effect from my system...it is way too addictive and fun) >> >>Incidentally, to the four of you out there who I saw listening in on >>my live stream, thanks for dropping in! It's good that you stuck >>around for the last set, when I warmed up and started doing something >> >> >remotely interesting. > > >>:) >> >>This live streaming thing is just working out perfectly...not a single >> >> > > > >>problem so far. I just boot up, my laptop sniffs out the WI-FI >>connection at the venue, I launch Winamp, connect to the ShoutCast >>Server, and away I go. So easy, it's disgusting. >> >>********************************************************************** >>****************** >>Krispen Hartung >>Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist >>http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 >>Performance Calendar: >>http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Har >>tung Gear setup: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 7 18:53:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 213083BEDC; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 18:53:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 11:53:34 -0800 Subject: Re: lexicon boxes From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 18:53:29 +0000 (UTC) > Maybe check w/ this guy: http://www.jimfabiano.com/ > > Looks like he does the famous 19sec mod for pcm42's too. > Regards > Lou ummm...i dont see on his website where he does these mods... i used to talk to him back in his lexicon days when he was working w/ bob sellon who did do those 20sec. mods on my PCM42s. the mod he does is the one that takes the delay from 1.2 sec to 2.4 sec... if i'm readin it right :-) staninsanfran From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 7 19:08:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A452A3BED0; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 19:08:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <431F3AC0.10100@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 21:08:48 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stuff in the feedback loop, Was: Cooking your delays? References: <20050906224744.64977.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> <431E6FCF.3090504@post.cybercity.dk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 19:08:50 +0000 (UTC) Per, Mark, Douglas and Mark, thanks for your replies. Per Boysen wrote: > If possible, throw in as many as possible separate virtual outputs > for all effects. Then, when used in Live 5, you are not restricted to > keep them in the loopers internal feedback pipe. You can also choose > to send out a pipe to another channel in Live. Yeah, that's what I'm planning on doing, more or less using the loopers as single-tap delays, and then running the feed out and in whenever it's practical. Here's a pic of the very first, preliminary setup I did today: http://img306.imageshack.us/my.php?image=loopingrig17dj.jpg I'll be using a mixing matrix to do all the fun stuff, as you can see. In reaktor, knobs have the very important advantage over buttons, that you can automate them really smoothly. The very special reason for doing the effects in reaktor: You can morph between snapshots taken of the whole setup. And you can control this from a midi controller. And the snapshots can be changed using program changes - and you can midi learn and record the tweaks directly in a midi clip in live. And I plan on modding most/all the effects. And it uses less cpu :-D So yeah, I have my reasons, hehe. Mark Smart, are there any advantages to progressing with a sequencer, rather than using program changes? I work with Reaktor and live simultaneously, so preprogramming clips containing program changes and launching them via midi is relatively easy. Actually operating the unit will be slightly hazardous, though ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 7 19:14:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2E693BECF; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 19:14:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.200] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: lexicon boxes Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 15:14:03 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Sep 2005 19:14:03.0991 (UTC) FILETIME=[4FA0C670:01C5B3E0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 19:14:07 +0000 (UTC) Good catch... To bad as he use too >From: >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: lexicon boxes >Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 11:53:34 -0800 > > > Maybe check w/ this guy: http://www.jimfabiano.com/ > > > > Looks like he does the famous 19sec mod for pcm42's too. > > Regards > > Lou > > >ummm...i dont see on his website where he does these mods... >i used to talk to him back in his lexicon days when he was working w/ bob >sellon who did do those 20sec. mods on my PCM42s. >the mod he does is the one that takes the delay from 1.2 sec to 2.4 sec... >if i'm readin it right :-) >staninsanfran > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 7 19:19:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58FB93BED0; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 19:19:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Attack of the Killer Mini Tabla - Live Clip Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 13:19:29 -0600 Message-ID: <005e01c5b3e1$14a7ec50$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 151, in=432, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <4DeQMC.A.VWH.M1zHDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 19:19:41 +0000 (UTC) > How about setting up a chat client and musicians can go "will move to Eb minor in 12 seconds...." ;-) That would be hilarious. > Or why not play according to some common theoretical improvisation concept? One quick example right out of the top of my head: synchronize your watches exactly and decide on something like moving up three semitones every 20th second, alternating between major or minor key at every key change. That would be very fun, both to play and listen to! Using the Internet Time Lag creatively instead of looking at it as a "a problem". This is what I was thinking...or it could just be totally free. If there are no strict meter requirements, and key does not change often (or there is no key), then it might be fun to hear out it sound for your part to in a time warp. Actually, now that I think about it, only one peson would experience the lag. Once I receive the stream from someone, that becomes real time for me, and I play along with it. However, by the time my recorded parts gets back to the other person, they will hear it 10 seconds late. This sound like a plot for a really bizarre sci-fi story about music, time warps, etc. / per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 7 19:22:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58DFF3BED2; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 19:22:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Attack of the Killer Mini Tabla - Live Clip Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 13:22:35 -0600 Message-ID: <005f01c5b3e1$83b2bdf0$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <431F36B8.7050001@post.cybercity.dk> X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 151, in=433, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 19:22:46 +0000 (UTC) I have, but just didn't get around to testing it out. Have you used it with success? Although in reading the main page, it doesn't appear to eliminate the time lag, just packages it up into logical chunks. "The NINJAM client records and streams synchronized intervals of music between participants. Just as the interval finishes recording, it begins playing on everyone else's client. So when you play through an interval, you're playing along with the previous interval of everybody else, and they're playing along with your previous interval. If this sounds pretty bizarre, it sort of is, until you get used to it, then it becomes pretty natural. In many ways, it can be more forgiving than a normal jam, because mistakes propagate differently." I'll download the software this week and give it a try. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Andreas Wetterberg [mailto:awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 12:52 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Attack of the Killer Mini Tabla - Live Clip Kris, have you tried Ninjam? It works really well: www.ninjam.com Andreas Hartung, Kris wrote: >Yep, I have two more WI-FI enabled performances in Oct...I'll send the >details out as I did with these last few. > >I need to start thinking about broadening my horizons too...I'd like to >start having folks over to my basement studio for group improv >sessions, plus I think there is a way to collaborate with someone over >the net, but it would involve a 10 sec delay...could be >interesting....metered songs would be out of the question. > >Kris > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Todd Pafford [mailto:calenlas@gmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 10:11 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Attack of the Killer Mini Tabla - Live Clip > >Krispen, > >Glad to hear it went well and I'm sorry I missed it. Any more >streaming performances coming up? > >Todd > > > >On 9/7/05, Hartung, Kris wrote: > > >> >> >> >>A cut from my last live looping performance on Sept. 3....looping back >> >> > > > >>to that conversation we had several months ago regarding buying tablas >> >> > > > >>and looping, mini tablas, etc.... >> >>Attack of the Killer Mini Tabla >>http://box.net/public/khartung/files/656113.html (someone needs to >>sneak into my laptop and delete that Pluggo feedback generator VST >>effect from my system...it is way too addictive and fun) >> >>Incidentally, to the four of you out there who I saw listening in on >>my live stream, thanks for dropping in! It's good that you stuck >>around for the last set, when I warmed up and started doing something >> >> >remotely interesting. > > >>:) >> >>This live streaming thing is just working out perfectly...not a single >> >> > > > >>problem so far. I just boot up, my laptop sniffs out the WI-FI >>connection at the venue, I launch Winamp, connect to the ShoutCast >>Server, and away I go. So easy, it's disgusting. >> >>********************************************************************** >>****************** >>Krispen Hartung >>Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist >>http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 >>Performance Calendar: >>http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Har >>tung Gear setup: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 7 20:09:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6776C3BED5; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 20:09:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003901c5b3e8$026cda80$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: lexicon boxes Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 15:56:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 20:09:08 +0000 (UTC) Speaking of Lexicon... there's someone on EBay selling a Vortex that doesn't work quite right. He says it changes patches sort of randomly and some other weird stuff but it worked when he got it. Could that be a battery problem? Starting bid is $5. I'm wondering if it's worth $5 + shipping to find out. Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 3:53 PM Subject: Re: lexicon boxes >> Maybe check w/ this guy: http://www.jimfabiano.com/ >> >> Looks like he does the famous 19sec mod for pcm42's too. >> Regards >> Lou > > > ummm...i dont see on his website where he does these mods... > i used to talk to him back in his lexicon days when he was working w/ bob > sellon who did do those 20sec. mods on my PCM42s. > the mod he does is the one that takes the delay from 1.2 sec to 2.4 sec... > if i'm readin it right :-) > staninsanfran > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 7 20:14:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E07163BED0; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 20:14:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <003901c5b3e8$026cda80$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> References: <003901c5b3e8$026cda80$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: Re: lexicon boxes Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:14:33 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: <0B-cTC.A.QZB.qo0HDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 20:14:34 +0000 (UTC) i've got a working vortex with a dodgy rotary encoder i'd be willing to part with. but not for $5.... monk@fuse.net On Sep 7, 2005, at 3:56 PM, Tony K wrote: > Speaking of Lexicon... there's someone on EBay selling a Vortex that > doesn't work quite right. He says it changes patches sort of randomly > and some other weird stuff but it worked when he got it. Could that > be a battery problem? Starting bid is $5. > > I'm wondering if it's worth $5 + shipping to find out. > > Tony > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 3:53 PM > Subject: Re: lexicon boxes > > >>> Maybe check w/ this guy: http://www.jimfabiano.com/ >>> >>> Looks like he does the famous 19sec mod for pcm42's too. >>> Regards >>> Lou >> >> >> ummm...i dont see on his website where he does these mods... >> i used to talk to him back in his lexicon days when he was working w/ >> bob >> sellon who did do those 20sec. mods on my PCM42s. >> the mod he does is the one that takes the delay from 1.2 sec to 2.4 >> sec... >> if i'm readin it right :-) >> staninsanfran > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 7 20:24:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 898513BED2; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 20:24:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: LOOPERS-DELIGHT@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Dwasanin@aol.com Message-ID: <87.2f6f0888.3050a684@aol.com> Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:24:36 EDT Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE To: LOOPERS-DELIGHT@LOOPERS-DELIGHT.COM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1126124676" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5039 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 20:24:43 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1126124676 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I WISH TO UNSUBSCRIBE -------------------------------1126124676 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I WISH TO UNSUBSCRIBE -------------------------------1126124676-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 7 20:59:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B07C53BEC2; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 20:59:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MhnhXtAZpfd2yjGbl3JCUtvqPntrKu6iBmjE/ENwMfH98RPQnrm4JAjmKw4sHCziLYIXGO4CFcmI7RG1Izqic4AWCpF+Wzy9OgO4+0kAB2iuYcKybCoZl+0ByqTu2GeGmxI837WJnEsgskcGd2Y1o9/mV4RB6v3cx0n5ptOrRd4= ; Message-ID: <20050907205949.53736.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 13:59:48 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: powered near-field monitors? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050823235131.EF1683BF53@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 20:59:51 +0000 (UTC) The Mackie sub that goes with the HR824's costs around $1200. I added the Blue Sky sub to my HR824's and am very happy with the sound for $400. Still I wonder what the extra $800 would have bought me... Stephen Mark wrote: I'm a fan of the Mackie HR824s. Listened to a bunch in that price range and found them to be a good value. I'm often amazed at how nice and accurate the bass is without ever getting flubby. High end is sweet but never shrill. I keep thinking I'd supplement it with the matching subwoofer, but never get around to it as they seem to sound great out of the box. ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 7 21:25:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EC633BED2; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 21:25:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 16:25:05 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: lexicon boxes In-reply-to: <003901c5b3e8$026cda80$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <431F5AB1.1000207@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <003901c5b3e8$026cda80$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 21:25:13 +0000 (UTC) Tony K wrote: > Speaking of Lexicon... there's someone on EBay selling a Vortex that > doesn't work quite right. He says it changes patches sort of randomly > and some other weird stuff but it worked when he got it. Could that be > a battery problem? Starting bid is $5. From the description it is almost certainly a bad rotary encoder. Since you apparently can't get these from Harman any more, it might be worth $18 just to unsolder the two functioning encoders to fix another unit. Has anyone tried squirting electronics cleaner into one of these encoders? Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 7 21:33:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E43A3BED0; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 21:33:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:33:49 -0500 (CDT) From: "Bill Ruppert" Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <87.2f6f0888.3050a684@aol.com> Message-ID: <431F5CBD.4090609@aol.com> References: <87.2f6f0888.3050a684@aol.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030925.3 Mac) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/HTML; CHARSET=us-ascii X-AOL-IP: 67.167.225.129 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 21:33:54 +0000 (UTC) UNSUBSCRIBE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 7 21:36:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45B273BECD; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 21:36:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:37:55 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Bill Ruppert Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] UNSUBSCRIBE In-Reply-To: <431F5CBD.4090609@aol.com> Message-ID: References: <87.2f6f0888.3050a684@aol.com> <431F5CBD.4090609@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 21:36:14 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, 7 Sep 2005, Bill Ruppert wrote: > UNSUBSCRIBE From http://www.loopers-delight.com/list/LoopList.html "To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your unsubscribe request to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com Don't send your unsubscribe message to the list, or people will make fun of you and you will feel like a dork." best, Steve B Phasmatodea http;//www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ Fukadugalon, Audio Arcade, etc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 7 22:22:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CEDBA3BEC2; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 22:22:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=LWs2cdjshzcLEbnOhwThntSTd+HwSlA54zRsEUbTDs/i1kJYYkcmZqS8RrH204Q4KbcdQtpXM+ycUMbtJw6vLwR+25s3f0wU00CfdBNrH8Wyc1ZvdznsIIA0dzSB37TTOuGGU0gXq0YnmohNDFjVplqwjLbxq4u7cWjXH37Wveo= ; Message-ID: <20050907222239.44300.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 15:22:39 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: lexicon boxes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC882D@lon-oxmail02> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 22:22:40 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, I'm not sure what all that's about. I consider myself lucky in this regard. I've had very few pieces of gear go dead on me... the only other two that come to mind are an EDP (which was more or less DOA) and a Korg KAOSS pad v1 that went dead after a few years for no visable reason. Thing is I got my MPX1 for an amazing bargain as a demo unit. I think it was about $400... now I guess it's going to be $550. I love that little box though, so I guess I'm going to do it as soon as I get my ass in gear and ship the thing. Mark --- goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > >>for me a Lexicon MPX1... that I must send out for > repair...<< > > for some reason I'm hearing a lot about duff lexicon > boxes the last couple of weeks. not the jamman or > vortex, with external psu, but the mid to high end > rack effects with smpsu's in them. ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 8 01:46:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 884333BEB8; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 01:46:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: andy butler's new live-looping cd Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:20:53 -0600 Message-ID: <005001c5b3bf$bfba9a10$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00c201c5b3b5$a3c730c0$2101a8c0@alhambra> X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 151, in=432, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 01:46:23 +0000 (UTC) Excellent, thans. And I'm listeing to a few large MP3 clips from you and Per now which are outstanding...from Zurich. He sent them to me yesterday....great, spacey guitar work. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Wagner LD [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 8:08 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FW: andy butler's new live-looping cd > -----Original Message----- > From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Montag, 5. September 2005 20:52 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: andy butler's new live-looping cd > > Bernhard, in addition to Synced (which I just bought, do you have a > prior solo release? Hi Kris, Thanks a lot for your interest and for buying the "SYNCED!" CD! There are so many loopfestival-related mails I should send but seeing a promotion opportunity I respond: I don't have prior-"SYNCED!" solo CDs out but one that just came out: http://nosuch.biz/fourthNight There's a duo CD out on burning shed with Michael Bearpark (http://pedaltone.com, website still under construction) Until it appears on burning shed this CD can be bought from Michael (UK) or myself. There's more live material around from last year that still waits to be put on CD. And if I'm lucky, there will be some pretty recent duo stuff... I'll let you know. Will you be at the Y2K5? I could bring some cds then. Thank you very much! Bernhard http://nosuch.biz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 8 02:41:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57F793BEA7; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 02:41:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.54.175.202] X-Originating-Email: [brunkhorstk@hotmail.com] X-Sender: brunkhorstk@hotmail.com From: "Brunkhorst" To: Subject: disc plug Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 23:41:51 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_025E_01C5B405.B8BC1FE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2005 02:41:53.0646 (UTC) FILETIME=[DF30C0E0:01C5B41E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 02:41:57 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_025E_01C5B405.B8BC1FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I haven't posted here in ages, I know. I have a job/gig now, and = there's usually way more LD than I have time to read. But I want to tell LD members that I have a new CD out. It sounds = something like Mark Isham & David Torn or Kenny Wheeler w/ Bill Frisell = (only without the Americana he's been into lately). It's definitely a = jazz record, but it's far from straight ahead. Of the six tracks, three of them have looping content... the longest = track is mostly loops, in fact. I still use my old Oberheim EDP. There = is one drum machine loop constructed with ProTools - otherwise, it's = just the two of us. Paul Tynan on trumpet/flugelhorn and yours truly on = guitar (Klein electric, 6- and 12- string acoustic), bass, G-Force = tweaking, .wav-file twisting, and a little = cassette-player-into-the-pickups. We worked on the problem of how to = improvise in a jazz harmonic context with loops. =20 You can see and hear a little of it at www.digitalspiritual.com. The site sells them for $15 shipped, as will CDBaby when they ge it up = in a few days. Since LD has been very helpful to me over the years, I'd = sell them to LD members for $8, mail included. (Sorry, I can't give = them away, unless you're a distributor, critic, radio/internet jock, or = store owner... I have $$$$ in this and a partner... I hope you = understand...) E-mail me if you're interested. and now, back to work... kb Kevin Brunkhorst Asst Professor, Music Dept St Francis Xavier University Antigonish, Nova Scotia, Canada www.kevinbrunkhorst.com ------=_NextPart_000_025E_01C5B405.B8BC1FE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I haven't posted here in ages, I = know.  I have=20 a job/gig now, and there's usually way more LD than I have time to=20 read.
 
But I want to tell LD members that I = have a new=20 CD out.  It sounds something like Mark Isham & = David=20 Torn or Kenny Wheeler w/ Bill Frisell (only without the = Americana he's been=20 into lately).  It's definitely a jazz record, but it's far from = straight=20 ahead.
 
Of the six tracks, three of them have = looping=20 content... the longest track is mostly loops, in fact.  I still use = my old=20 Oberheim EDP.  There is one drum machine loop constructed with = ProTools -=20 otherwise, it's just the two of us.  Paul Tynan=20 on trumpet/flugelhorn and yours truly on guitar (Klein electric, 6- = and 12-=20 string acoustic), bass, G-Force tweaking, .wav-file twisting, and a = little=20 cassette-player-into-the-pickups.  We worked on the problem of = how to=20 improvise in a jazz harmonic context with loops.  =
 
You can see and hear a little of it at = www.digitalspiritual.com.
 
The site sells them for $15 shipped, as = will CDBaby=20 when they ge it up in a few days.  Since LD has been very = helpful=20 to me over the years, I'd sell them to LD members for $8, mail = included. =20 (Sorry, I can't give them away, unless you're a distributor, critic,=20 radio/internet jock, or store owner... I have $$$$ in this and a = partner... I=20 hope you understand...)  E-mail me if you're = interested.
 
and now, back to work...
 
kb
 
Kevin Brunkhorst
Asst Professor, = Music=20 Dept
St Francis Xavier University
Antigonish, Nova Scotia, = Canada
www.kevinbrunkhorst.com
------=_NextPart_000_025E_01C5B405.B8BC1FE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 8 05:56:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04DDB3BED5; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 05:56:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 8 Sep 2005 05:56:25 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 00:56:25 -0500 Subject: Gig Spam: Lumper/Splitter +35 film/music artists, Oakland, Sat X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050908055625.EAD9BE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 05:56:28 +0000 (UTC) Hey there- Lumper/Splitter will be playing two sets as part of this outdoor film/music= benefit for the=20 21 Grand performance space.=A0 Ist set 7:30ish, 2nd set 11:00ish.=A0 We wil= l be playing=20 improvised live loops to films by the Cinepimps (with special guest drummer= Jon Brummit).=A0=20 Please read below for details.=A0 Should be fun. Illuminated Corridor Saturday, Sep 10 2005 Twilight $3 suggested donation Oakland Ironworks Third Street between Jefferson & Clay 21 Grand teams up with the Illuminated Corridor to present an outdoor media= art and=20 performance event as a benefit for 21 Grand, in celebration of its 5th Anni= versary. This event features works by over 35 artists and groups and serves as a survey of experimental approaches to time-based media art. Works range from site-aware video projection, works for time-based media an= d dance, to=20 experimental music accompanying film. It is a highly public presentation of= artists and=20 work often found within the walls of galleries, clubs, and alternative arts= spaces. Artists include Ahl-i Nahfs, Big City Orchestra, Jorge Boehringer, the Cinepimps, Dud, Gilb= ert Guerrero=20 and Kathleen Quillian, Ilanio, Franz Keller, David Kwan, Heike Liss, Sarah = Lockhart and=20 Gordon Winiemko, Lumper/Splitter, Mike Missiaen, Karla Milosevich, Kristin = Miltner, Anna=20 Naruta of Double Bull, Oaklandish, Nate Orman and Alex Douglas, Dean Santom= ieri, Paige=20 Sorvillo, Isak Immanuel and Sherwood Chen, Sun-X, Michael Trigilio, Matt Vo= lla, Lexa=20 Walsh, Youthsounds, selections from the past five years of 21 Grand's T-10 = Video Festival,=20 and more to be announced with great fanfare. About the Corridor www.illuminatedcorridor.com The Illuminated Corridor is a next step in outdoor cinema: a nomadic public= art=20 installation focusing on the diverse traditions of Bay Area film and live m= usic. Working=20 with unlikely natural and built spaces, The Illuminated Corridor's aim is t= o catalyze site- specific work, showcase diverse collaborations between performative project= ionists and=20 performing artists, and cover a vast territory of film and music genres. About 21 Grand www.21grand.org=20 21 Grand is a volunteer-run interdisciplinary arts space hell-bent on prese= nting a=20 macrocosmic panoply of emerging and experimental artists, focusing on genre= -bending=20 and innovative works of visual arts and live art (i.e. performative and med= ia art presented=20 to a live audience). 21 Grand was founded in June 2000, and held its first show on July 15, 2000= at its=20 eponymous location (21 Grand Ave.). Since then, 21 Grand has attempted to p= rovide a=20 consistent platform for experimental arts and fill the void of experimental= arts=20 presentation in the East Bay. 21 Grand has since played host to some of the= most=20 ambitious new works that realm has to offer, with programming that has been= much=20 lauded and emulated. This event is assisted by the generous support of Metrovation, Bed Bath and= Beyond, Pro=20 Arts, and The City of Oakland's Cultural Funding Program. --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 8 06:12:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B16D3BEDB; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 06:12:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <431FD631.7090107@miquelmatas.com> Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 08:12:01 +0200 From: Miquel Matas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: unsubscribe References: <87.2f6f0888.3050a684@aol.com> <431F5CBD.4090609@aol.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0536-2, 07/09/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 06:12:09 +0000 (UTC) unsubscribe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 8 06:45:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFA7E3BED5; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 06:45:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <431F5AB1.1000207@sun.com> References: <003901c5b3e8$026cda80$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> <431F5AB1.1000207@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: lexicon boxes Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 01:45:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 06:45:14 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 7, 2005, at 4:25 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > From the description it is almost certainly a bad rotary encoder. > Since > you apparently can't get these from Harman any more, it might be worth but what about other encoders? surely there is a replacement. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 8 07:10:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B282B3BEDB; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 07:10:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: andy butler's new live-looping cd Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:09:37 +0200 Message-ID: <012401c5b444$498d25d0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <005001c5b3bf$bfba9a10$6801a8c0@khartung> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.7 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 07:10:06 +0000 (UTC) > -----Original Message----- > From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > Sent: Mittwoch, 7. September 2005 17:21 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: andy butler's new live-looping cd > > Excellent, thans. And I'm listeing to a few large MP3 clips from you and > Per now which are outstanding...from Zurich. He sent them to me > yesterday....great, spacey guitar work. Ahem... well that was the "pretty recent duo stuff" I was referring to so secretively ... ;) Thank you! Bernhard http://nosuch.biz > > Kris > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bernhard Wagner LD [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 8:08 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: FW: andy butler's new live-looping cd > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Kris Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > > Sent: Montag, 5. September 2005 20:52 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: RE: andy butler's new live-looping cd > > > > > Bernhard, in addition to Synced (which I just bought, do you have a > > prior solo release? > > Hi Kris, > > Thanks a lot for your interest and for buying the "SYNCED!" CD! > > There are so many loopfestival-related mails I should send but seeing a > promotion opportunity I respond: I don't have prior-"SYNCED!" solo CDs > out but one that just came out: http://nosuch.biz/fourthNight > > There's a duo CD out on burning shed with Michael Bearpark > (http://pedaltone.com, website still under construction) Until it > appears on burning shed this CD can be bought from Michael (UK) or > myself. > > There's more live material around from last year that still waits to be > put on CD. And if I'm lucky, there will be some pretty recent duo > stuff... I'll let you know. > > Will you be at the Y2K5? I could bring some cds then. > > Thank you very much! > Bernhard > http://nosuch.biz > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 8 07:20:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56ADF3BED9; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 07:20:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 00:24:56 -0700 Subject: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Scott Drengsen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <00a201c5b3a4$649dd180$2101a8c0@alhambra> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 07:20:47 +0000 (UTC) > This Sunday at 8 I'll be opening a special Sept. 11th performance of > BEATS NOT BOMBS at MIGHTY in San Francisco .(160 Utah St.) The evening will be dedicated to the innocent people affected by the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and I'm honored to be included in a creative and conscious line up that will also include DJ AMAR,DJ DRAGONFLY , FONTAINS MUSE , TEED ROCKWELL, DHOL RHYTHEMS , AMBI-SONIC and BLACK MAHAL.. PEACE Scott Kungha Drengsen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 8 07:37:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF0683BEE0; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 07:37:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <431FEA39.5080704@miquelmatas.com> Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:37:29 +0200 From: Miquel Matas User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0536-2, 07/09/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 07:37:35 +0000 (UTC) unsubscribe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 8 08:37:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 110DC3BED3; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:37:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,178,1122850800"; d="scan'208"; a="13547815:sNHT17976805" Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050908092917.02da4c90@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:31:21 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Re: lexicon boxes (vortex for $5) In-Reply-To: <20050908073736.2A99D3BEE9@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050908073736.2A99D3BEE9@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:37:54 +0000 (UTC) At 08:37 08/09/05, you wrote: >Speaking of Lexicon... there's someone on EBay selling a Vortex that >doesn't work quite right. He says it changes patches sort of >randomly and some other weird stuff but it worked when he got >it. Could that be a battery problem? Starting bid is $5. > >I'm wondering if it's worth $5 + shipping to find out. > >Tony I reckon the rotary encoder for patch selection needs replacing. andy butler www.andybutler.com has Vortex info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 8 09:55:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 611873BED0; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:55:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <001101c5b45b$83f19b40$cb9efe91@inap> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: References: <431FEA39.5080704@miquelmatas.com> Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:42:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C5B459.8F993A40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:55:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C5B459.8F993A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable anybody help this man... "I=B4m striving for the mysterious. The obvious doesn=B4t interest me." = (Jon Hassell) Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com WTB: "England=B4s Hidden Reverse" by David Keenan (Coil, Current93, = Nurse With Wound, David Tibet). ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Miquel Matas=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 9:37 AM Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe=20 ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C5B459.8F993A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
anybody help this = man...
 
 
"I=B4m striving for the mysterious. The obvious doesn=B4t interest = me." (Jon=20 Hassell)
 
Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com
 
WTB: "England=B4s Hidden Reverse" by David Keenan (Coil, Current93, = Nurse=20 With Wound, David Tibet).
 
 
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unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C5B459.8F993A40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 8 10:06:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99AF63BED2; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 10:06:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=05sBU2s0poxa/P+s+buT2PXlUUeARUls1IJaVfu0iuWRxePEsv2iN5ugNvuod8kc7ZDjSWUl4Qel9YoMMlSIlJgsLiDFaLg10naX0/Vh1DZ6DcH1Eqz6wppZtFZoWq3CUiXYARfZ+nBOBDQPxsClgPgd5Hi3+cj7HNNE34rvc8c= ; Message-ID: <011b01c5b45c$fd8aa540$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: , References: <005f01c5b3e1$83b2bdf0$6801a8c0@khartung> Subject: online jamming (was:: Attack of the Killer Mini Tabla - Live Clip) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 12:06:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <9DQqqB.A.CsC.v0AIDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 10:06:39 +0000 (UTC) has anyone alrready tried this: www.vstunnel.com. ? ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 8 10:25:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 445C03BECD; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 10:25:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000e01c5b45f$93d638f0$0301a8c0@mlimli> From: "claude voit" To: References: <431FEA39.5080704@miquelmatas.com> <001101c5b45b$83f19b40$cb9efe91@inap> Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 12:25:04 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 10:25:07 +0000 (UTC) yes please I was thinking about a video that could describe as simple as possible the intricacies and subtilities of the Unsubscribe manual as written by brother K.F. on his now legendary, but I'm sorry, a little criptic even obscure some times, text (too many words for a manual!!!!) . http://www.loopersdelight.com/list/LoopList.html I would be happy to offer one of my most repetitive (not boring) loops for the sound track of this "loopers-delight unsuscribe visual manual for the trapped soul in mailling list hell video" TM maybe a more compact title could do also. In any case please keep me posted if the project finds a production Claude PS: I'm sure everybody would agree that "some" % of the wholesale price could be donated to loopers-delight.com anybody help this man... ----- Original Message ----- From: Miquel Matas To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 9:37 AM Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 8 13:34:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22C153BEDC; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:34:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: online jamming (was:: Attack of the Killer Mini Tabla - Live Clip) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 07:34:35 -0600 Message-ID: <007b01c5b47a$10a84480$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <011b01c5b45c$fd8aa540$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 152, in=449, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:34:48 +0000 (UTC) Look cool...too bad it is just for sequencers / MIDI. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Ben [mailto:benoitruelle@yahoo.fr]=20 Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 4:07 AM To: khartung@cableone.net; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: online jamming (was:: Attack of the Killer Mini Tabla - Live Clip) has anyone alrready tried this: www.vstunnel.com. ? =09 =09 =09 ________________________________________________________________________ ___=20 Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger=20 T=E9l=E9chargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 8 14:25:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 299133BED8; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 14:25:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000501c5b481$4ac480a0$1f03d00c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: Subject: Jazz Looping in Champaign, IL, USA Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 09:26:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 14:25:53 +0000 (UTC) Hi. I will be doing Solo Jazz Looping at "Hot Diggity!" toy and novelty store in Champaign, IL this Saturday, September 10th from 5-6pm. There will be music all afternoon from 1-6pm, and all proceeds go the the Red Cross to help victims of hurricane Katrina. More info: Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 8 14:31:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF9D03BEDE; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 14:31:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20050908101531.01ec0948@mail.wightman.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 10:30:51 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: edp In-Reply-To: References: <20050906134356.g1rf57lnsm0ck8ok@www.wightman.ca> <20050906174628.49jfk7jlwkk48gws@www.wightman.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5DA51FFB Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 14:31:03 +0000 (UTC) If you look back into the archives Shane used to be at Gibson, there was even a contact number for him. Thanks for the info, he was very helpful, I got hold of him at British Audio and he sent me the schematics. Once my repair guy had those he was able to track down a shorted capacitor and a faulty 5 volt something or other within 15 min. He's going to go through it more thoroughly again to be sure that those are the only problems. If anyone else is looking for schematics I'll be happy to pass them along to you. These are for the oberhiem edp, mine is the earlier Gibson but it seems to be the same. I can't say if its the same as the new one but it might at least work as reference point. I would love to pickup a second edp but you know.... the pressures of house payments, need a new car, need to reshingle the roof...... etc. I am having a lot of fun with Mobius though, maybe a better laptop might be a wiser investment.... All the best, Paul Haslem phaslem@wightman.ca looping hammered dulcimer and guitar in Canada or is it just a "looped and hammered" dulcimer player... At 05:59 PM 06/09/2005, you wrote: >Shane is the guy who fixes EDP's, and I've had very good experiences >with him. I don't know his business relationship with Gibson, but he >can be reached at: > >shane@britishaudioservice.com > >If the EDP becomes an essential part of your performance approach, I >recommend buying at least one spare when you can afford it. > >Best of luck, > >Travis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 8 14:40:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D87A3BEDF; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 14:40:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: FW: Kevin Brunkhorst's Digital/Spiritual Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 08:39:47 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01418469@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Kevin Brunkhorst's Digital/Spiritual Thread-Index: AcW0GxU04UQseNlqScCfIh5x95gqiQAOhq5wAAs0SrA= From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2005 14:39:48.0411 (UTC) FILETIME=[29C048B0:01C5B483] Resent-Message-ID: <0SbxUB.A.2VC.t1EIDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 14:40:46 +0000 (UTC) I've been exchanging some email with Kevin below, swapping CDs, etc. I haven't seen Kevin promote this on the list yet, so I highly recommend checking out this CD....great guitar playing and trumpet, with looping, etc. I hope you don't mind, Kevin. This is good stuff! A great contribution to the art of Canada! >From the website: "Some of the pieces are written, others were improvised in the studio. Some of the improvisations were shaped after much listening. One of our main goals was that we wanted it to sound like nothing else we knew of. We're pretty sure we reached that. Certainly there are other benchmarks, or influences: Teo Macero's productions of Miles Davis; Kenny Wheeler; David Torn; Ralph Towner; Brian Eno. The things a musician listens to come out in their playing." Kris *************************************** Kris: I want to send you my new CD. Please send an address. Kevin Brunkhorst www.digitalspiritual.com http://www.kevinbrunkhorst.com/ > Krispen Hartung > Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist=20 > http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603=20 > Performance Calendar: > = http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3DKrispen%20Ha= r > tung Gear setup: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 8 15:13:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 111933BEDB; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 15:13:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AJBoA23vxLTu6s2r1mahxudAuEjVtO5nQFqlhzaEcrUIjptsycgzGLi8re5OooShCp6MlPOYAdbSeVN0/KPHl3vrKg5s35RtBv/SVSzSDNe8SZKlTBVuI/NuNO/+Y4gOFpCKZUCpIV0fRXZAGGtifh4VLS86apdDi7ELPFsalUQ= Message-ID: <146cdfa705090808134c15f3b0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 17:13:19 +0200 From: Marco Ronci To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: edp In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050908101531.01ec0948@mail.wightman.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050906134356.g1rf57lnsm0ck8ok@www.wightman.ca> <20050906174628.49jfk7jlwkk48gws@www.wightman.ca> <6.2.0.14.2.20050908101531.01ec0948@mail.wightman.ca> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 15:13:20 +0000 (UTC) Paul, would you please send a copy to=20 m dot ronci at gmail dot com ? Thank you Marco 2005/9/8, paul : > If anyone else is looking for schematics I'll be happy to pass them along > to you. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 8 18:16:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BE9C3BED2; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 18:16:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PejC/K/MlkOE4mDPbPNR7WQb1bjqhqanXXRzOEd3b3LIG70vhUrMwQBK6/RifkFNqm8DRzzxpKs8tvZ0/JS9kF4q9jBlJPYKGDjQHzen2e9SSei3BvFvbWlW41vR1uQ6EDkxCGRVjlTw7RXgu87IfUIhIiDX1BELQrR1h4H7zSY= ; Message-ID: <20050908181638.75947.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 11:16:38 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: powered near-field monitors? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050907205949.53736.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 18:16:39 +0000 (UTC) Another EDP? ;) --- S V G wrote: > > The Mackie sub that goes with the HR824's costs > around $1200. I added the Blue Sky sub to my > HR824's and am very happy with the sound for $400. > Still I wonder what the extra $800 would have > bought me... > > Stephen > > Mark wrote: > I'm a fan of the Mackie HR824s. Listened to a bunch > in that price range and found them to be a good > value. > I'm often amazed at how nice and accurate the bass > is > without ever getting flubby. High end is sweet but > never shrill. I keep thinking I'd supplement it > with > the matching subwoofer, but never get around to it > as > they seem to sound great out of the box. > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief > effort. > http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 8 18:19:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 117703BEDB; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 18:19:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-2.tower-71.messagelabs.com!1126203559!25042295!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC883F@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: lexicon boxes Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 19:20:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5B4A1.F0A8B610" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 18:19:22 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5B4A1.F0A8B610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > From the description it is almost certainly a bad rotary encoder. > Since > you apparently can't get these from Harman any more, it might be worth but what about other encoders? surely there is a replacement.<< since they used the same one on the jamman, this is of some concern. I can't believe that any rotary encoder has ceased production, but if it has, we need to work out whether there's something compatible on the market. I have a mint vortex I never use, but I don't want to trash it to fix either of our jammans. I have a number of encoders I bought about ten years ago to fix an early proteus module (there was a min. order of six or something) so my proteus boxes & samplers will be ok for a while.... I'll look see if the same encoder is in the lex boxes, & check with some engineering suppliers to see what's available. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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> From the description it is almost certainly a bad ro= tary encoder. 
> Since
> you apparently can't get these from Harman any more= , it might be worth

but what about other encoders? surely there is a replacem= ent.<<

since they used the same one on the jamman, this is of so= me concern. I can't believe that any rotary encoder has ceased production, = but if it has, we need to work out whether there's something compatible on = the market.

I have a mint vortex I never use, but I don't want to tra= sh it to fix either of our jammans. I have a number of encoders I bought ab= out ten years ago to fix an early proteus module (there was a min. order of= six or something) so my proteus boxes & samplers will be ok for a whil= e.... I'll look see if the same encoder is in the lex boxes, & check wi= th some engineering suppliers to see what's available.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C5B4A1.F0A8B610-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 8 18:55:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 293FA3BED8; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 18:55:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5B4A6.F694D83C" Subject: EDPP in the EU Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:54:46 -0500 Message-ID: <7D2DC9ECDE570D459BBB6DF09C02BF49988EEC@EMAIL.gibson.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: EDPP in the EU Thread-Index: AcW0psgI9Y2lEipOT2mGJgU3SPCmgQ== From: "Kevin Van Pamel" To: Resent-Message-ID: <-rRXJC.A.TkD.PkIIDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 18:55:12 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5B4A6.F694D83C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Everyone, =20 I rarely voice on the LD list but I thought it worth the time to mention that we (finally) are stocking and selling the EDPP in the EU on a regular basis. Gibson's Holland warehouse and the fine and wonderful people of Straight Edge (Andy Ewen, etc.) have provided us the opportunity to keep ample supply on hand.=20 =20 For all of you that have voiced your frustrations with Gibson's lack of access to the EDPP in the past, I'm sure this is good, if not belated, news. Please keep in mind, however, that Gibson only sells directly to the dealer in a handful of countries around the Mediterranean and that the rest of our sales are through independent distribution firms who sell to the dealers. The result is that you may not see them in stock for some time, but if you let your local retailer know that they are available, they can contact their representative. =20 Many thanks and best regards, =20 =20 Kevin Van Pamel VP of Marketing =20 Gibson Labs Division 159 South Jackson Suite 330 Seattle, WA 98104 Office: +1 206-382-3442 Fax: +1 615-884-2279 =20 www.gibson.com =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5B4A6.F694D83C Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Everyone,

 

I rarely voice on the LD list but I thought it worth = the time to mention that we (finally) are stocking and selling the EDPP in = the EU on a regular basis.  Gibson’s Holland warehouse and the fine and wonderful people of Straight Edge (Andy Ewen, = etc.) have provided us the opportunity to keep ample supply on hand. =

 

For all of you that have voiced your frustrations = with Gibson’s lack of access to the EDPP in the past, I’m sure = this is good, if not belated, news.  Please keep in mind, however, that = Gibson only sells directly to the dealer in a handful of countries around the = Mediterranean and that the rest of our sales are = through independent distribution firms who sell to the dealers.  The result is that you = may not see them in stock for some time, but if you let your local retailer = know that they are available, they can contact their = representative.

 

Many thanks and best regards, =  

 

Kevin Van = Pamel

VP of Marketing

 

Gibson Labs Division

159  South Jackson

Suite = 330

Seattle, WA 98104

Office: +1 206-382-3442

Fax: = +1 615-884-2279

 

www.gibson.com

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C5B4A6.F694D83C-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 8 19:01:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3177F3BECD; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 19:01:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=CBas0oJvWb5045lFS1GUGG6HuO0xdJzSdhTImGHje0Lm64Hk1lISfmV6Dali1oMy; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200594819446980@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: lexicon boxes Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 15:04:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940bc2aaa8ca24c6687e37fdc9c36df5e81350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.147.36 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 19:01:23 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I use to work at Lexicon and still keep in touch with my pals there...I'm pretty sure they still make the encoders, or at least have a stash of them. Better check with them before U panic. ~Tim Mungenast ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 9/8/2005 2:19:22 PM Subject: RE: lexicon boxes > From the description it is almost certainly a bad rotary encoder. > Since > you apparently can't get these from Harman any more, it might be worth but what about other encoders? surely there is a replacement.<< since they used the same one on the jamman, this is of some concern. I can't believe that any rotary encoder has ceased production, but if it has, we need to work out whether there's something compatible on the market. I have a mint vortex I never use, but I don't want to trash it to fix either of our jammans. I have a number of encoders I bought about ten years ago to fix an early proteus module (there was a min. order of six or something) so my proteus boxes & samplers will be ok for a while.... I'll look see if the same encoder is in the lex boxes, & check with some engineering suppliers to see what's available. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII RE: lexicon boxes
I use to work at Lexicon and still keep in touch with my pals there...I'm pretty sure they still make the encoders, or at least have a stash of them. Better check with them before U panic.
~Tim Mungenast
 
 
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> From the description it is almost certainly a bad rotary encoder. 
> Since
> you apparently can't get these from Harman any more, it might be worth

but what about other encoders? surely there is a replacement.<<

since they used the same one on the jamman, this is of some concern. I can't believe that any rotary encoder has ceased production, but if it has, we need to work out whether there's something compatible on the market.

I have a mint vortex I never use, but I don't want to trash it to fix either of our jammans. I have a number of encoders I bought about ten years ago to fix an early proteus module (there was a min. order of six or something) so my proteus boxes & samplers will be ok for a while.... I'll look see if the same encoder is in the lex boxes, & check with some engineering suppliers to see what's available.

duncan.



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------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 8 19:19:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E61623BED8; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 19:19:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 14:19:36 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: lexicon boxes In-reply-to: <410-2200594819446980@earthlink.net> To: mungenast@earthlink.net Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43208EC8.6060802@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <410-2200594819446980@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: <46IGRD.A.L2E.P7IIDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 19:19:43 +0000 (UTC) Timothy Mungenast wrote: > I use to work at Lexicon and still keep in touch with my pals > there...I'm pretty sure they still make the encoders, or at least have a > stash of them. Better check with them before U panic. I contacted Harman about a year ago asking for a replacement encoder when I first got a flaky Vortex. I called back today and the guy said they were no longer in stock, and he did not know who the original supplier was. For what it is worth, the info I had was: Harman Music Group Technical Support 801-568-7567 The part number is 452-09555 The cost is 5.88 each + shipping handling He was not aware of anything electrically equivalent, though I have to believe something must exist. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 8 19:25:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C1333BEDB; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 19:25:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=hYNao5bbFjrzu1bMGBEaxh0mZVUJjWHBSNr+5zjpaZ+NvB4BvzX4KudW4zW3nFfw; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22005948192831420@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: lexicon boxes (vortex for $5) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 15:28:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9407e6e349b541025c35632eac2fd4fc669350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.147.36 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 19:25:06 +0000 (UTC) Hi Andy: I luv my Vortex but it has a small glitch that I was wondering if I could ask you about: when I use the original 2-button footswitch to take it in and out of bypass, it sometimes takes 2 pushes, like it's thinking about it. All else is great, as the unit was gently used by its previous owner. Any ideas? Cheerios, TimMungenast > [Original Message] > From: a k butler > To: > Date: 9/8/2005 4:37:54 AM > Subject: Re: Re: lexicon boxes (vortex for $5) > > At 08:37 08/09/05, you wrote: > >Speaking of Lexicon... there's someone on EBay selling a Vortex that > >doesn't work quite right. He says it changes patches sort of > >randomly and some other weird stuff but it worked when he got > >it. Could that be a battery problem? Starting bid is $5. > > > >I'm wondering if it's worth $5 + shipping to find out. > > > >Tony > > I reckon the rotary encoder for patch selection needs replacing. > > andy butler > www.andybutler.com has Vortex info From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 8 19:31:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C61F3BEDC; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 19:31:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <7D2DC9ECDE570D459BBB6DF09C02BF49988EEC@EMAIL.gibson.com> References: <7D2DC9ECDE570D459BBB6DF09C02BF49988EEC@EMAIL.gibson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6F6BC6D6-F731-4B3A-BF02-BE6924A746B3@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDPP in the EU Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 21:31:28 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 19:31:32 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 8, 2005, at 20:54, Kevin Van Pamel wrote: > a handful of countries around the Mediterranean Good news, Kevin! Is there a list available on the European countries where EDP's will be available? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 8 20:52:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE4613BED3; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 20:52:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: unsubscribe Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 13:52:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <000e01c5b45f$93d638f0$0301a8c0@mlimli> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcW0X5oWaZ5xpU2nQZO03gjPITkH5gAV17sQ Message-Id: <20050908205246.BOIU18319.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 20:52:48 +0000 (UTC) Occasionally I pmail the odd helpless lobster with this Claude Voit email on the subject--it reads as follows: >From the original text by Claude Voit DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE OR YOUR COMPUTER WILL SHOW YOU VERY UNPOLITE MESSAGES FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD 1- go to your browser preferences and set you Email client to send plain text (NO HTML) with No signature file 2- click next line link mailto:Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com 3- delete your signature, etc... make your message blank 4- double click (highlight) the sacred word on next line SACRED WORD--> unsubscribe <--SACRED WORD then copy (ctrl+C) 5- place cursor in Subject of the message Paste (ctrl+V) 6- place cursor in Body of the message Paste (ctrl+V) 7- click send Bye bye Claude -----Original Message----- From: claude voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 3:25 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe yes please I was thinking about a video that could describe as simple as possible the intricacies and subtilities of the Unsubscribe manual as written by brother K.F. on his now legendary, but I'm sorry, a little criptic even obscure some times, text (too many words for a manual!!!!) . http://www.loopersdelight.com/list/LoopList.html I would be happy to offer one of my most repetitive (not boring) loops for the sound track of this "loopers-delight unsuscribe visual manual for the trapped soul in mailling list hell video" TM maybe a more compact title could do also. In any case please keep me posted if the project finds a production Claude PS: I'm sure everybody would agree that "some" % of the wholesale price could be donated to loopers-delight.com anybody help this man... ----- Original Message ----- From: Miquel Matas To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 9:37 AM Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 8 21:28:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 705C13BED9; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 21:28:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xuxwX4p4jzM763nH3pV0d+Ylw//VFf5URyp+kPcW0LkxXIkuMhACry/D65UFNyyk7A2Nt2qIKA7TCvyNq2MbarYt+Lp2wolubD44pkg2IRKfj+n2NdWNAoUYEzDW+rgfMbK/drsKkekruoEnxWb8Y/XdOuYL/QOhgso2c7k5Rsg= ; Message-ID: <20050908212857.47092.qmail@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 14:28:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: lexicon boxes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <43208EC8.6060802@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 21:28:59 +0000 (UTC) I could be wrong, but I seem to remember a thread within the past year involving Kris Hartung needing encoders; as I recall, the part number and contact info was posted, and there was a happy ending. (This was shortly before the "I'm selling all of my rack gear" thread...) Kris? -t- --- Jeff Larson wrote: > Timothy Mungenast wrote: > > I use to work at Lexicon and still keep in touch > with my pals > > there...I'm pretty sure they still make the > encoders, or at least have a > > stash of them. Better check with them before U > panic. > > I contacted Harman about a year ago asking for a > replacement encoder > when I first got a flaky Vortex. I called back > today and the guy > said they were no longer in stock, and he did not > know who the original > supplier was. For what it is worth, the info I had > was: > > Harman Music Group > Technical Support > 801-568-7567 > The part number is 452-09555 > The cost is 5.88 each + shipping handling > > He was not aware of anything electrically > equivalent, though I have > to believe something must exist. > > Jeff > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 8 21:35:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F3953BED5; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 21:35:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 16:34:53 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: lexicon boxes In-reply-to: <20050908212857.47092.qmail@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4320AE7D.3010609@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20050908212857.47092.qmail@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 21:35:00 +0000 (UTC) Tim Nelson wrote: > I could be wrong, but I seem to remember a thread > within the past year involving Kris Hartung needing > encoders; as I recall, the part number and contact > info was posted, and there was a happy ending. (This > was shortly before the "I'm selling all of my rack > gear" thread...) Yes, I posted the part number on December 20, 2004 and Kris said he was able to get three of them. Apparently those were among the last. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 8 22:02:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 581633BEDC; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 22:02:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: lexicon boxes Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 16:02:40 -0600 Message-ID: <009d01c5b4c1$0b309bf0$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4320AE7D.3010609@sun.com> X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 152, in=451, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 22:02:53 +0000 (UTC) I could be worth a re-try: The part number is 452-09555 The cost is 5.88 each + shipping handling Contact: John Harman Music Group Technical Support 801-568-7567 Hey Andy, ever thought of creating a VST version of the vortex? :) You'd think that with the Lexicon PSP42 and PSP84 VST plugins, they would follow up with that. The PSP series is oustanding! Very powerful, especially the PSP84. I'm still amazed at the power of that plugin. I use it all the time. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Larson [mailto:Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 3:35 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: lexicon boxes Tim Nelson wrote: > I could be wrong, but I seem to remember a thread > within the past year involving Kris Hartung needing > encoders; as I recall, the part number and contact > info was posted, and there was a happy ending. (This > was shortly before the "I'm selling all of my rack > gear" thread...) Yes, I posted the part number on December 20, 2004 and Kris said he was able to get three of them. Apparently those were among the last. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 8 22:09:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 916FE3BEDD; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 22:09:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001101c5b4c1$fb1df720$1b02a8c0@airdrawn1> From: "Barry Silverman" To: References: <009d01c5b4c1$0b309bf0$6801a8c0@khartung> Subject: unsubscribe Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 15:09:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C5B487.4E6677D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 22:09:18 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C5B487.4E6677D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C5B487.4E6677D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C5B487.4E6677D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 8 22:40:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B80513BED0; Thu, 8 Sep 2005 22:40:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 18:42:26 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Barry Silverman Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <001101c5b4c1$fb1df720$1b02a8c0@airdrawn1> Message-ID: References: <009d01c5b4c1$0b309bf0$6801a8c0@khartung> <001101c5b4c1$fb1df720$1b02a8c0@airdrawn1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 22:40:35 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, 8 Sep 2005, Barry Silverman wrote: > unsubscribe Again, then: From http://www.loopers-delight.com/list/LoopList.html "To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your unsubscribe request to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com Don't send your unsubscribe message to the list, or people will make fun of you and you will feel like a dork." best, Steve B Phasmatodea http;//www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ Fukadugalon, Audio Arcade, etc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 9 01:38:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 759AA3BEC5; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 01:38:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=sA/cZTKKDYB9MrJguLYDRuKLg3jNL8lo1NDY1yEWl1jH8pEuMEDS3F4OeIjHbcvx; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220059591429310@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] unsubscribe Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 21:42:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9409b29cd698717db486c1916ac6b32f0ff350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.150.98 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 01:38:44 +0000 (UTC) Actually, I printed these pages out for the unlikely event that I would want to unsubscribe. Now, if I wanna recieve it as a digest, how big an e-mail (250K?500K?) would be plopping into my inbox? (We phone-modem Luddites have to ask questions like that ;-) ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: > To: Barry Silverman > Cc: > Date: 9/8/2005 6:40:35 PM > Subject: Re: [LOOP] unsubscribe > > On Thu, 8 Sep 2005, Barry Silverman wrote: > > > unsubscribe > > Again, then: > > From > http://www.loopers-delight.com/list/LoopList.html > > "To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject > and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: > > Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com > > > If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your > unsubscribe > request to: > > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com > > > Don't send your unsubscribe message to the list, or people will make fun > of > you and you will feel like a dork." > > best, > Steve B > Phasmatodea http;//www.phasmatodea.net/ > Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > Fukadugalon, Audio Arcade, etc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 9 03:38:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7853E3BED6; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 03:38:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <432103AA.4010303@finleysound.com> Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2005 20:38:18 -0700 From: "Matthew F. McCabe" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1762721012 X-Authenticated-User: finleysound@fastermac.net X-Verify-Helo: finleysound.com -> 68.142.*.* not in 66.248.87.120 X-NotAscii: charset=us-ascii; X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 66.248.87.120 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 03:38:48 +0000 (UTC) ...and presumably the innocent people who died in the US on 9/11????? >> This Sunday at 8 I'll be opening a special Sept. 11th performance of >> BEATS NOT BOMBS at MIGHTY in San Francisco .(160 Utah St.) > > The evening will be dedicated to the innocent people affected by the > wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and I'm honored to be included in a > creative and conscious line up that will also include DJ AMAR,DJ > DRAGONFLY , FONTAINS MUSE , TEED ROCKWELL, DHOL RHYTHEMS , AMBI-SONIC > and BLACK MAHAL.. > PEACE > Scott Kungha Drengsen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 9 04:46:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DD3A3BED9; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 04:46:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 21:46:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcW08ADjU9eOMUiXRhy6MRUZEooHYwACLvAg In-Reply-To: <432103AA.4010303@finleysound.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Message-Id: <20050909044607.KVCP9510.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 04:46:16 +0000 (UTC) Uh, no-- Check out http://www.bellygroove.com/shows_events_beatsnotboms.html Their phrase: "A night of positive action and good vibes" Peace out Gary -----Original Message----- From: Matthew F. McCabe [mailto:mmccabe@finleysound.com] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 8:38 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco ...and presumably the innocent people who died in the US on 9/11????? >> This Sunday at 8 I'll be opening a special Sept. 11th performance of >> BEATS NOT BOMBS at MIGHTY in San Francisco .(160 Utah St.) > > The evening will be dedicated to the innocent people affected by the > wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and I'm honored to be included in a > creative and conscious line up that will also include DJ AMAR,DJ > DRAGONFLY , FONTAINS MUSE , TEED ROCKWELL, DHOL RHYTHEMS , AMBI-SONIC > and BLACK MAHAL.. > PEACE > Scott Kungha Drengsen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 9 05:01:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11A4B3BEDB; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 05:01:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002601c5b4fb$c9c6d810$af704a18@carolina.rr.com> From: "Larry" To: References: <432103AA.4010303@finleysound.com> Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 01:03:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 05:01:00 +0000 (UTC) You're dead-on, Matthew: this anti-war stuff is the typical, knee-jerk response of far-left-wing America-haters. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew F. McCabe" To: Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 11:38 PM Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco > ...and presumably the innocent people who died in the US on 9/11????? > > >> This Sunday at 8 I'll be opening a special Sept. 11th performance of > >> BEATS NOT BOMBS at MIGHTY in San Francisco .(160 Utah St.) > > > > The evening will be dedicated to the innocent people affected by the > > wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and I'm honored to be included in a > > creative and conscious line up that will also include DJ AMAR,DJ > > DRAGONFLY , FONTAINS MUSE , TEED ROCKWELL, DHOL RHYTHEMS , AMBI-SONIC > > and BLACK MAHAL.. > > PEACE > > Scott Kungha Drengsen > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 9 05:03:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7113D3BEDD; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 05:03:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=C3gVPCmzTloZL5JWgZjIkBrNFqsUZDxMeN8uMGBuVhcfR0z8qeuxseVUpMHXKey4IfimwadMJ3cKG+r2xWkf+k8xbfMZf4trdsDdPqdNkNmL3eIwbf0M/fUTMyWhB/oUjwMUdf8GCOP0GNXIA2esmYpx42Y79Jeci4dLmrKHVho= Message-ID: <8c880ac2050908220355d2e1ea@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 22:03:36 -0700 From: Matt Love Reply-To: matt.mattlove1@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco In-Reply-To: <432103AA.4010303@finleysound.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <432103AA.4010303@finleysound.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 05:03:38 +0000 (UTC) I can't make it to San Francisco, but I'll be home, drumming and mourning the 120,000 victims of atomic bombs in the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. For good measure I'll put on some loops for the 35,000 to 135,000 people killed in the firebombing of Dresden. On 9/8/05, Matthew F. McCabe wrote: > ...and presumably the innocent people who died in the US on 9/11????? >=20 > >> This Sunday at 8 I'll be opening a special Sept. 11th performance of > >> BEATS NOT BOMBS at MIGHTY in San Francisco .(160 Utah St.) > > > > The evening will be dedicated to the innocent people affected by the > > wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and I'm honored to be included in a > > creative and conscious line up that will also include DJ AMAR,DJ > > DRAGONFLY , FONTAINS MUSE , TEED ROCKWELL, DHOL RHYTHEMS , AMBI-SONIC > > and BLACK MAHAL.. > > PEACE > > Scott Kungha Drengsen >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 9 05:08:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C2B53BEDC; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 05:08:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <002601c5b4fb$c9c6d810$af704a18@carolina.rr.com> References: <432103AA.4010303@finleysound.com> <002601c5b4fb$c9c6d810$af704a18@carolina.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <018EC45A-1B11-4ADA-83B7-A502A29C33B2@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 00:05:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 05:08:27 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 9, 2005, at 12:03 AM, Larry wrote: > You're dead-on, Matthew: this anti-war stuff is the typical, knee-jerk > response of far-left-wing America-haters. And thanks for your own knee-jerk response that does nothing more than stereotype all anti-war sentiments as the "knee jerk responses of far-left-wing America-haters." Yep, I'm glad you took the time to think that one through. Personally, I prefer the anti-war sentiments to the pro-war ones. Call me "crazy"--or "left-wing," or "anti- American," or...(fill in the blank with your preferred stereotype of the moment). Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 9 05:38:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACA763BEDA; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 05:38:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: "'Looper's Delight'" Subject: Bush Hater's Song and video--No looping content Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2005 22:38:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcW1ALrBKLVCKr4gT9OQPcwrrOli4A== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Message-Id: <20050909053849.ETF18319.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 05:38:50 +0000 (UTC) As long as we're gettin' polarized . . . I discovered this entertaining clip while exploring the link Steve Goodman gave while quoting Phil Proctor. http://www.bushflash.com/blues.html Love it or hate it, you've got to admit-- "A man looks sharp in a uniform until he goes to war". Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 9 07:42:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FF983BECF; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 07:42:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 00:46:55 -0700 Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Scott Drengsen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <002601c5b4fb$c9c6d810$af704a18@carolina.rr.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 07:42:50 +0000 (UTC) Well, I don't hate America . I love it ! I don't like our current President who displays an extraordinary talent for turning tragedy into disaster but that's another (OT) subject . This event is far from a "knee-jerk" response . It has been thought out carefully as a spiritual alternative to the politicization of Sept.11 and the "war on terror" and it has required a generous amount of work from everyone involved. And yes, for my part , the opening piece will be in remembrance of ALL of those affected by senseless violence and the loss of innocence of all kinds . (at least thats what I'm attempting ) PEACE Scott On Thursday, September 8, 2005, at 10:03 PM, Larry wrote: > You're dead-on, Matthew: this anti-war stuff is the typical, knee-jerk > response of far-left-wing America-haters. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matthew F. McCabe" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 11:38 PM > Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco > > >> ...and presumably the innocent people who died in the US on 9/11????? >> >>>> This Sunday at 8 I'll be opening a special Sept. 11th performance >>>> of >>>> BEATS NOT BOMBS at MIGHTY in San Francisco .(160 Utah St.) >>> >>> The evening will be dedicated to the innocent people affected by the >>> wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and I'm honored to be included in a >>> creative and conscious line up that will also include DJ AMAR,DJ >>> DRAGONFLY , FONTAINS MUSE , TEED ROCKWELL, DHOL RHYTHEMS , >>> AMBI-SONIC >>> and BLACK MAHAL.. >>> PEACE >>> Scott Kungha Drengsen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 9 08:18:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 482983BED5; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 08:18:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <004f01c5b517$12eb1a40$6ca2fe91@inap> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: References: Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 10:18:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 08:18:15 +0000 (UTC) I wonder why on all lists topics like these have to turn into political rallies and flamewars... I for one see no direct looping content, I´m sorry. Stephen "I´m striving for the mysterious. The obvious doesn´t interest me." (Jon Hassell) Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com WTB: "England´s Hidden Reverse" by David Keenan (Coil, Current93, Nurse With Wound, David Tibet). ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Drengsen To: Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 9:46 AM Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco > Well, I don't hate America . I love it ! I don't like our current > President who displays an extraordinary talent for turning tragedy into > disaster but that's another (OT) subject . This event is far from a > "knee-jerk" response . It has been thought out carefully as a > spiritual alternative to the politicization of Sept.11 and the "war on > terror" and it has required a generous amount of work from everyone > involved. And yes, for my part , the opening piece will be in > remembrance of ALL of those affected by senseless violence and the loss > of innocence of all kinds . (at least thats what I'm attempting ) > PEACE > Scott > On Thursday, September 8, 2005, at 10:03 PM, Larry wrote: > > > You're dead-on, Matthew: this anti-war stuff is the typical, knee-jerk > > response of far-left-wing America-haters. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Matthew F. McCabe" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 11:38 PM > > Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco > > > > > >> ...and presumably the innocent people who died in the US on 9/11????? > >> > >>>> This Sunday at 8 I'll be opening a special Sept. 11th performance > >>>> of > >>>> BEATS NOT BOMBS at MIGHTY in San Francisco .(160 Utah St.) > >>> > >>> The evening will be dedicated to the innocent people affected by the > >>> wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and I'm honored to be included in a > >>> creative and conscious line up that will also include DJ AMAR,DJ > >>> DRAGONFLY , FONTAINS MUSE , TEED ROCKWELL, DHOL RHYTHEMS , > >>> AMBI-SONIC > >>> and BLACK MAHAL.. > >>> PEACE > >>> Scott Kungha Drengsen > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 9 09:33:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38CC63BED6; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 09:33:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003d01c5b521$7c6291b0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <432103AA.4010303@finleysound.com> <002601c5b4fb$c9c6d810$af704a18@carolina.rr.com> <018EC45A-1B11-4ADA-83B7-A502A29C33B2@midway.uchicago.edu> Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 10:33:05 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 09:33:15 +0000 (UTC) Actually it becomes incumbent upon people who take on the "anti-war" mantle to accurately identify their political affiliation(s) so that the public - the people they're trying to win over to their argument - will know what the agenda really is. Of course quite a few so-called "anti-war" types are quite often something more - "anti-democracy", or "anti-capitalism", "leftist", "socialist", communist", or plain old "anti-Republican". Funny how this is rarely done. What do such folks have to hide, and why? Is it because their actual agenda is known to turn off people who would otherwise be hoodwinked effectively into supporting something which, if they really thought about it, may be repugnant to them? I've found a disturbing tendency on the part of protest movements in the past 15 years or so to be less concerned with whether they're VIEWED as "right" than whether they're actually "right" or not. For me Political Correctness (spawned during a particular non-Republican's term) is nothing more than the outgrowth of someone else's inane need to oppress others through imitation intellectualism and cooked numbers. Individuals of all kinds and colors tend to rebel against this when they know what it actually is, which is most likely why some items are often blurred a bit or put under a banner presenting something "more palatable" and therefore easier to SELL. Alas, honesty is still the best policy, and not just for "someone else". I suppose I'm some kind of "bigot" for expressing this opinion. Beware however - expressing an individual opinion is usually averse to the interests of the Left, or for that matter cults like Scientology. I was asked to play a London event in 2002 that was initially described to me as a "gathering of like-minded people", then it was said to me that it was "in the interest of peace", and finally described to me as an "anti-Bush rally". I persist in the belief that politics should be peoples' own business, and I don't care for GroupThink either. If this makes me a conservative, then I guess I'm one of those, but not in all manners. I also make it a point not to adhere to stereotypes, or other pre-constructed expectations. I suppose doing so could make me a "contrarian", or perhaps just a non-conformist. I prefer the latter. It's a good thing that in San Francisco (and the rest of the United States of America) you can't be imprisoned without trial and put to death just for expressing an opinion that opposes some Ayatollah's Fundamentalist Regime. No, Pat Robertson doesn't even come close. Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * http://www.medialinenews.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shirkey" To: Sent: Friday, 09 September, 2005 06:05 AM Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco > > On Sep 9, 2005, at 12:03 AM, Larry wrote: > >> You're dead-on, Matthew: this anti-war stuff is the typical, knee-jerk >> response of far-left-wing America-haters. > > And thanks for your own knee-jerk response that does nothing more than > stereotype all anti-war sentiments as the "knee jerk responses of > far-left-wing America-haters." Yep, I'm glad you took the time to think > that one through. Personally, I prefer the anti-war sentiments to the > pro-war ones. Call me "crazy"--or "left-wing," or "anti- American," > or...(fill in the blank with your preferred stereotype of the moment). > > Jeff > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 9 10:19:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16B263BEE1; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 10:19:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004601c5b527$ed267640$0301a8c0@mlimli> From: "claude voit" To: References: <432103AA.4010303@finleysound.com> <002601c5b4fb$c9c6d810$af704a18@carolina.rr.com> <018EC45A-1B11-4ADA-83B7-A502A29C33B2@midway.uchicago.edu> <003d01c5b521$7c6291b0$0207a8c0@eluk1> Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 12:19:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 10:19:16 +0000 (UTC) except Guantanamo Bay but then this is not in the USA Claude > > It's a good thing that in San Francisco (and the rest of the United States > of America) you can't be imprisoned without trial and put to death just > for expressing an opinion that opposes some Ayatollah's Fundamentalist > Regime. No, Pat Robertson doesn't even come close. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 9 10:19:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFC7D3BEEE; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 10:19:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,181,1122850800"; d="scan'208"; a="11050630:sNHT2296448833" Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050909110858.02d8cca0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 11:12:49 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Tim's footswitch was Re: lexicon boxes (vortex for $5) In-Reply-To: <20050909081815.9FC3D3BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050909081815.9FC3D3BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 10:19:22 +0000 (UTC) At 09:18 09/09/05, you wrote: >Hi Andy: > >I luv my Vortex but it has a small glitch that I was wondering if I could >ask you about: when I use the original 2-button footswitch to take it in >and out of bypass, it sometimes takes 2 pushes, like it's thinking about >it. >All else is great, as the unit was gently used by its previous owner. >Any ideas? I'd open up the footswitch, check everything is correctly assembled, and spray the switches. Those switches can double trigger, but after cleaning and regular use they get better. andy www.andybutler.com for vortex info, mp3s, and livelooping cd >Cheerios, >TimMungenast From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 9 10:29:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDECE3BEE2; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 10:29:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,181,1122850800"; d="scan'208"; a="14466985:sNHT18334785" Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050909111538.02d8c150@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 11:23:21 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:RE: lexicon boxes In-Reply-To: <20050909081815.9FC3D3BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050909081815.9FC3D3BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 10:29:44 +0000 (UTC) At 09:18 09/09/05, you wrote: >Hey Andy, ever thought of creating a VST version of the vortex? :) thought about it, and costed the project. i'll do it for =A35000 :-) andy ps, as the hardware flopped commercially, a recreation is unlikely. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 9 10:58:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D6C93BED9; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 10:58:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001601c5b52d$6c86b350$0301a8c0@mlimli> From: "claude voit" To: References: <20050909081815.9FC3D3BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20050909111538.02d8c150@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Re:RE: lexicon boxes Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 12:58:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 10:58:36 +0000 (UTC) I tried to emulate one of my beloved vortex patches on my G2 nord modular engine pfuuuu ..... this isnt easy and I'm not done yet and dont know if it will ever sound the same !! and I'm not talking about morphs between 2 patches Claude At 09:18 09/09/05, you wrote: >Hey Andy, ever thought of creating a VST version of the vortex? :) thought about it, and costed the project. i'll do it for £5000 :-) andy ps, as the hardware flopped commercially, a recreation is unlikely. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 9 11:01:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CBD83BEEC; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 11:01:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <001b01c5b52d$eac59420$0fa2fe91@inap> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: References: <432103AA.4010303@finleysound.com> <002601c5b4fb$c9c6d810$af704a18@carolina.rr.com> <018EC45A-1B11-4ADA-83B7-A502A29C33B2@midway.uchicago.edu> <003d01c5b521$7c6291b0$0207a8c0@eluk1> <004601c5b527$ed267640$0301a8c0@mlimli> Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 13:02:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 11:01:46 +0000 (UTC) Moderator! Deputies! Where are you? Could you please stop political rants on this list? I don´t bother to read this. Thank you. Stephen "I´m striving for the mysterious. The obvious doesn´t interest me." (Jon Hassell) Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com WTB: "England´s Hidden Reverse" by David Keenan (Coil, Current93, Nurse With Wound, David Tibet). ----- Original Message ----- From: claude voit To: Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 12:19 PM Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco > except Guantanamo Bay but then this is not in the USA > > Claude > > > > > It's a good thing that in San Francisco (and the rest of the United States > > of America) you can't be imprisoned without trial and put to death just > > for expressing an opinion that opposes some Ayatollah's Fundamentalist > > Regime. No, Pat Robertson doesn't even come close. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 9 11:22:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3955E3BEF4; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 11:22:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000c01c5b530$ca9b24f0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <432103AA.4010303@finleysound.com> <002601c5b4fb$c9c6d810$af704a18@carolina.rr.com> <018EC45A-1B11-4ADA-83B7-A502A29C33B2@midway.uchicago.edu> <003d01c5b521$7c6291b0$0207a8c0@eluk1> <004601c5b527$ed267640$0301a8c0@mlimli> Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 12:22:39 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 11:22:42 +0000 (UTC) With four-star meals specifically made with sensitivity to your own religion. Don't forget that. > except Guantanamo Bay but then this is not in the USA > > Claude > >> >> It's a good thing that in San Francisco (and the rest of the United >> States of America) you can't be imprisoned without trial and put to death >> just for expressing an opinion that opposes some Ayatollah's >> Fundamentalist Regime. No, Pat Robertson doesn't even come close. >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 9 12:27:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34AA33BEDE; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 12:27:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=q7bXyU2cm7qp7S9R0Wg4zuK8YgGObrZfyvmmVHHSrg96W3pNPKevZ4tTzSR9+lbj6PRbsHsvwcsiigWI0Pja1+Rtjv+8bZz+DcmKfy3gTfogcb3z8H+hw7bexhnxJvWYpwiiv0SBzlRFBkocryBPYsLmRC3ni9VyDyx4gmT7k28= ; Message-ID: <20050909122706.24695.qmail@web50812.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 05:27:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Wind Stick Devil Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-267684663-1126268826=:23929" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <817cPB.A.5hB.a-XIDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 12:27:07 +0000 (UTC) --0-267684663-1126268826=:23929 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit << You're dead-on, Matthew: this anti-war stuff is the typical, knee-jerk response of far-left-wing America-haters. >> And comments like the above are the same type of comments that are repeated by brainwashed idiots. Turn off the f*cking right-wing talk-shows & radio programs, read some mother-f*cking books (that aren't published by Regnery) and wake the hell up! Scott Drengsen wrote: Well, I don't hate America . I love it ! I don't like our current President who displays an extraordinary talent for turning tragedy into disaster but that's another (OT) subject . This event is far from a "knee-jerk" response . It has been thought out carefully as a spiritual alternative to the politicization of Sept.11 and the "war on terror" and it has required a generous amount of work from everyone involved. And yes, for my part , the opening piece will be in remembrance of ALL of those affected by senseless violence and the loss of innocence of all kinds . (at least thats what I'm attempting ) PEACE Scott On Thursday, September 8, 2005, at 10:03 PM, Larry wrote: > You're dead-on, Matthew: this anti-war stuff is the typical, knee-jerk > response of far-left-wing America-haters. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matthew F. McCabe" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 11:38 PM > Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco > > >> ...and presumably the innocent people who died in the US on 9/11????? >> >>>> This Sunday at 8 I'll be opening a special Sept. 11th performance >>>> of >>>> BEATS NOT BOMBS at MIGHTY in San Francisco .(160 Utah St.) >>> >>> The evening will be dedicated to the innocent people affected by the >>> wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and I'm honored to be included in a >>> creative and conscious line up that will also include DJ AMAR,DJ >>> DRAGONFLY , FONTAINS MUSE , TEED ROCKWELL, DHOL RHYTHEMS , >>> AMBI-SONIC >>> and BLACK MAHAL.. >>> PEACE >>> Scott Kungha Drengsen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-267684663-1126268826=:23929 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
<< You're dead-on, Matthew: this anti-war stuff is the typical,
knee-jerk response of far-left-wing America-haters. >>
 
And comments like the above are the same type of comments that are repeated by brainwashed idiots. Turn off the f*cking right-wing talk-shows & radio programs, read some mother-f*cking books (that aren't published by Regnery) and wake the hell up!

Scott Drengsen <kungha@earthlink.net> wrote:
Well, I don't hate America . I love it ! I don't like our current
President who displays an extraordinary talent for turning tragedy into
disaster but that's another (OT) subject . This event is far from a
"knee-jerk" response . It has been thought out carefully as a
spiritual alternative to the politicization of Sept.11 and the "war on
terror" and it has required a generous amount of work from everyone
involved. And yes, for my part , the opening piece will be in
remembrance of ALL of those affected by senseless violence and the loss
of innocence of all kinds . (at least thats what I'm attempting )
PEACE
Scott
On Thursday, September 8, 2005, at 10:03 PM, Larry wrote:

> You're dead-on, Matthew: this anti-war stuff is the typical, knee-jerk
> response of far-left-wing America-haters.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matthew F. McCabe"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 11:38 PM
> Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco
>
>
>> ...and presumably the innocent people who died in the US on 9/11?????
>>
>>>> This Sunday at 8 I'll be opening a special Sept. 11th performance
>>>> of
>>>> BEATS NOT BOMBS at MIGHTY in San Francisco .(160 Utah St.)
>>>
>>> The evening will be dedicated to the innocent people affected by the
>>> wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and I'm honored to be included in a
>>> creative and conscious line up that will also include DJ AMAR,DJ
>>> DRAGONFLY , FONTAINS MUSE , TEED ROCKWELL, DHOL RHYTHEMS ,
>>> AMBI-SONIC
>>> and BLACK MAHAL..
>>> PEACE
>>> Scott Kungha Drengsen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-267684663-1126268826=:23929-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 9 12:39:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 690CE3BED8; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 12:39:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 07:39:43 -0500 Subject: BEETS NOT POMES From: Kathy Deane To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050909122706.24695.qmail@web50812.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3209096384_303448" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 12:39:46 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3209096384_303448 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I like beets more than pomegranates...How about a new subject? The polarity is disrupting the harmony of the tunes in my head. =B3Can=B9t we all just get along?=B2 Rodney King April 29, 1992 --B_3209096384_303448 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable BEETS NOT POMES I lik= e beets more than pomegranates...How about a new subject?
The polarity is disrupting the harmony of the tunes in my head.

“Can’t we all just get along?”
Rodney King April 29, 1992 --B_3209096384_303448-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 9 12:42:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDA593BEE0; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 12:42:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Yca437dm9r36Oqjik5p0RYnhAR3Wr50t7hwXEJAEulMKcquc3Co7FliX/R/x0wmAk6/xszjHBMN/1scYPRRcsMWmQFSuvx9q5SQgFOj588Ax5bu4bHi8UMNAeZusWgq9un+f776lC2Ygc7rAjDw/MtVSVlrr8Eg6m5BFo0MMKjY= ; Message-ID: <20050909124217.35358.qmail@web50813.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 05:42:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Wind Stick Devil Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003d01c5b521$7c6291b0$0207a8c0@eluk1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-882620839-1126269737=:32149" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 12:42:22 +0000 (UTC) --0-882620839-1126269737=:32149 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit << Of course quite a few so-called "anti-war" types are quite often something more - "anti-democracy", or "anti-capitalism", "leftist", "socialist", communist", or plain old "anti-Republican". >> And some of them like blueberry pancakes. Some of them also like to sunbathe or visit museums. It's foolish to categorize people into one of two camps. The common practice of the Right to discuss, bash, trash, etc. so-called "Liberals" is a case in point. What the hell is a Liberal anyway? People have many varieties/combinations/permutations of beliefs. If I don't particularly believe in the efficacy of the death penalty, does that make me a Liberal? It's an age-old tactic to create a "bogeyman" a la Goldstein in Orwell's '1984'. In the 21st century in the US, it's the "Liberals" who are the bogeyman. The Windmeister Stephen Goodman wrote: Actually it becomes incumbent upon people who take on the "anti-war" mantle to accurately identify their political affiliation(s) so that the public - the people they're trying to win over to their argument - will know what the agenda really is. Of course quite a few so-called "anti-war" types are quite often something more - "anti-democracy", or "anti-capitalism", "leftist", "socialist", communist", or plain old "anti-Republican". Funny how this is rarely done. What do such folks have to hide, and why? Is it because their actual agenda is known to turn off people who would otherwise be hoodwinked effectively into supporting something which, if they really thought about it, may be repugnant to them? I've found a disturbing tendency on the part of protest movements in the past 15 years or so to be less concerned with whether they're VIEWED as "right" than whether they're actually "right" or not. For me Political Correctness (spawned during a particular non-Republican's term) is nothing more than the outgrowth of someone else's inane need to oppress others through imitation intellectualism and cooked numbers. Individuals of all kinds and colors tend to rebel against this when they know what it actually is, which is most likely why some items are often blurred a bit or put under a banner presenting something "more palatable" and therefore easier to SELL. Alas, honesty is still the best policy, and not just for "someone else". I suppose I'm some kind of "bigot" for expressing this opinion. Beware however - expressing an individual opinion is usually averse to the interests of the Left, or for that matter cults like Scientology. I was asked to play a London event in 2002 that was initially described to me as a "gathering of like-minded people", then it was said to me that it was "in the interest of peace", and finally described to me as an "anti-Bush rally". I persist in the belief that politics should be peoples' own business, and I don't care for GroupThink either. If this makes me a conservative, then I guess I'm one of those, but not in all manners. I also make it a point not to adhere to stereotypes, or other pre-constructed expectations. I suppose doing so could make me a "contrarian", or perhaps just a non-conformist. I prefer the latter. It's a good thing that in San Francisco (and the rest of the United States of America) you can't be imprisoned without trial and put to death just for expressing an opinion that opposes some Ayatollah's Fundamentalist Regime. No, Pat Robertson doesn't even come close. Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * http://www.medialinenews.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shirkey" To: Sent: Friday, 09 September, 2005 06:05 AM Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco > > On Sep 9, 2005, at 12:03 AM, Larry wrote: > >> You're dead-on, Matthew: this anti-war stuff is the typical, knee-jerk >> response of far-left-wing America-haters. > > And thanks for your own knee-jerk response that does nothing more than > stereotype all anti-war sentiments as the "knee jerk responses of > far-left-wing America-haters." Yep, I'm glad you took the time to think > that one through. Personally, I prefer the anti-war sentiments to the > pro-war ones. Call me "crazy"--or "left-wing," or "anti- American," > or...(fill in the blank with your preferred stereotype of the moment). > > Jeff > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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<< Of course quite a few so-called "anti-war" types are
quite often something more - "anti-democracy", or "anti-capitalism",
"leftist", "socialist", communist", or plain old "anti-Republican".  >>
 
And some of them like blueberry pancakes. Some of them also like to sunbathe or visit museums. It's foolish to categorize people into one of two camps. The common practice of the Right to discuss, bash, trash, etc. so-called "Liberals" is a case in point. What the hell is a Liberal anyway? People have many varieties/combinations/permutations of beliefs. If I don't particularly believe in the efficacy of the death penalty, does that make me a Liberal?
 
It's an age-old tactic to create a "bogeyman" a la Goldstein in Orwell's '1984'. In the 21st century in the US, it's the "Liberals" who are the bogeyman.
 
The Windmeister

Stephen Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.net> wrote:
Actually it becomes incumbent upon people who take on the "anti-war" mantle
to accurately identify their political affiliation(s) so that the public -
the people they're trying to win over to their argument - will know what the
agenda really is. Of course quite a few so-called "anti-war" types are
quite often something more - "anti-democracy", or "anti-capitalism",
"leftist", "socialist", communist", or plain old "anti-Republican". Funny
how this is rarely done. What do such folks have to hide, and why? Is it
because their actual agenda is known to turn off people who would otherwise
be hoodwinked effectively into supporting something which, if they really
thought about it, may be repugnant to them? I've found a disturbing
tendency on the part of protest movements in the past 15 years or so to be
less concerned with whether they're VIEWED as "right" than whether they're
actually "right" or not. For me Political Correctness (spawned during a
particular non-Republican's term) is nothing more than the outgrowth of
someone else's inane need to oppress others through imitation
intellectualism and cooked numbers. Individuals of all kinds and colors
tend to rebel against this when they know what it actually is, which is most
likely why some items are often blurred a bit or put under a banner
presenting something "more palatable" and therefore easier to SELL.

Alas, honesty is still the best policy, and not just for "someone else". I
suppose I'm some kind of "bigot" for expressing this opinion. Beware
however - expressing an individual opinion is usually averse to the
interests of the Left, or for that matter cults like Scientology.

I was asked to play a London event in 2002 that was initially described to
me as a "gathering of like-minded people", then it was said to me that it
was "in the interest of peace", and finally described to me as an "anti-Bush
rally". I persist in the belief that politics should be peoples' own
business, and I don't care for GroupThink either. If this makes me a
conservative, then I guess I'm one of those, but not in all manners. I also
make it a point not to adhere to stereotypes, or other pre-constructed
expectations. I suppose doing so could make me a "contrarian", or perhaps
just a non-conformist. I prefer the latter.

It's a good thing that in San Francisco (and the rest of the United States
of America) you can't be imprisoned without trial and put to death just for
expressing an opinion that opposes some Ayatollah's Fundamentalist Regime.
No, Pat Robertson doesn't even come close.

Stephen Goodman
* Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff
* http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack
* http://www.medialinenews.com


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Shirkey"
To:
Sent: Friday, 09 September, 2005 06:05 AM
Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco


>
> On Sep 9, 2005, at 12:03 AM, Larry wrote:
>
>> You're dead-on, Matthew: this anti-war stuff is the typical, knee-jerk
>> response of far-left-wing America-haters.
>
> And thanks for your own knee-jerk response that does nothing more than
> stereotype all anti-war sentiments as the "knee jerk responses of
> far-left-wing America-haters." Yep, I'm glad you took the time to think
> that one through. Personally, I prefer the anti-war sentiments to the
> pro-war ones. Call me "crazy"--or "left-wing," or "anti- American,"
> or...(fill in the blank with your preferred stereotype of the moment).
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-882620839-1126269737=:32149-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 9 12:44:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFBD93BEE4; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 12:44:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=43VNOMhT8E1jrXUE9Eu131E2d3BS2HtvR578S68T0siQoPUlL7gvbqiXmxtJTU2YJMAtiy+0zWrjwqAQQYB+Da0zoK0sQ3uSBUtqBdzCCG0yzeolakoDeKt2okYu/WtpJDgmBk4NEN8L1tGBmeBp08vQW7hxpI0yt8sN6lf3vIw= ; Message-ID: <20050909124424.60839.qmail@web50809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 05:44:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Wind Stick Devil Subject: Re: BEETS NOT POMES To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-277283863-1126269864=:57493" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 12:44:25 +0000 (UTC) --0-277283863-1126269864=:57493 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'll bet a lot of people in Nazi Germany expressed the same sentiments at one time. Kathy Deane wrote:I like beets more than pomegranates...How about a new subject? The polarity is disrupting the harmony of the tunes in my head. “Can’t we all just get along?” Rodney King April 29, 1992 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-277283863-1126269864=:57493 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I'll bet a lot of people in Nazi Germany expressed the same sentiments at one time.

Kathy Deane <relativepictures@cox.net> wrote:
I like beets more than pomegranates...How about a new subject?
The polarity is disrupting the harmony of the tunes in my head.

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Rodney King April 29, 1992

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Calling someone a Natzi cause they want to change the subject is pret= ty raw.


I'll bet a lot of people in Nazi Germany expressed the same sentiments at o= ne time.

Kathy Deane <relativepictures@cox.net> wrote:
I like beets more than pomegranates...How about a new s= ubject?
The polarity is disrupting the harmony of the tunes in my head.

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--B_3209097054_313747-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 9 13:11:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 034D23BEE0; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 13:11:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0ZM2URVfjM5OJLLDalfAFaPRyqqeBiS15TbeV2hRfeGjBR3LGV6RFT220nJfdLfxInaJJZRzGN5zFxuXFal2KgQ/mAh1vGCw5KEQegwCRh9sq4wRPVt75UMXViQvfoK9n4VfoGAqUOOpG2IXXsMlOZmNkWo5xPsw/Hba1Daub24= ; Message-ID: <20050909131108.2074.qmail@web50806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 06:11:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Wind Stick Devil Subject: Re: BEETS NOT POMES To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-724810916-1126271467=:1592" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 13:11:11 +0000 (UTC) --0-724810916-1126271467=:1592 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Then, you misunderstood the spirit of my comment. It's akin to fiddling while Rome burns. Kathy Deane wrote:Calling someone a Natzi cause they want to change the subject is pretty raw. I'll bet a lot of people in Nazi Germany expressed the same sentiments at one time. Kathy Deane wrote: I like beets more than pomegranates...How about a new subject? The polarity is disrupting the harmony of the tunes in my head. “Can’t we all just get along?” Rodney King April 29, 1992 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-724810916-1126271467=:1592 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Then, you misunderstood the spirit of my comment. It's akin to fiddling while Rome burns.

Kathy Deane <relativepictures@cox.net> wrote:
Calling someone a Natzi cause they want to change the subject is pretty raw.


I'll bet a lot of people in Nazi Germany expressed the same sentiments at one time.

Kathy Deane <relativepictures@cox.net> wrote:
I like beets more than pomegranates...How about a new subject?
The polarity is disrupting the harmony of the tunes in my head.

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Rodney King April 29, 1992
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Not an answer. You don't generally hide a predilection for pancakes, = whereas the Stop the War group is funded greatly by folks whose main = agenda has nothing to do with the war. That wasn't a very good attempt = at deflection, and I didn't categorize anyone except with respect to a = hidden agenda anyway. Some of them also like to sunbathe or visit museums. It's foolish to = categorize people into one of two camps. The common practice of the = Right to discuss, bash, trash, etc. so-called "Liberals" is a case in = point. What the hell is a Liberal anyway? People have many = varieties/combinations/permutations of beliefs. If I don't particularly = believe in the efficacy of the death penalty, does that make me a = Liberal? Again, irrelevant. It's an age-old tactic to create a "bogeyman" a la Goldstein in = Orwell's '1984'. In the 21st century in the US, it's the "Liberals" who = are the bogeyman.=20 In your case, a Straw man huh? The Windmeister Stephen Goodman wrote: Actually it becomes incumbent upon people who take on the "anti-war" = mantle=20 to accurately identify their political affiliation(s) so that the = public -=20 the people they're trying to win over to their argument - will know = what the=20 agenda really is. Of course quite a few so-called "anti-war" types = are=20 quite often something more - "anti-democracy", or "anti-capitalism", = "leftist", "socialist", communist", or plain old "anti-Republican". = Funny=20 how this is rarely done. What do such folks have to hide, and why? = Is it=20 because their actual agenda is known to turn off people who would = otherwise=20 be hoodwinked effectively into supporting something which, if they = really=20 thought about it, may be repugnant to them? I've found a disturbing=20 tendency on the part of protest movements in the past 15 years or so = to be=20 less concerned with whether they're VIEWED as "right" than whether = they're=20 actually "right" or not. For me Political Correctness (spawned = during a=20 particular non-Republican's term) is nothing more than the outgrowth = of=20 someone else's inane need to oppress others through imitation=20 intellectualism and cooked numbers. Individuals of all kinds and = colors=20 tend to rebel against this when they know what it actually is, which = is most=20 likely why some items are often blurred a bit or put under a banner=20 presenting something "more palatable" and therefore easier to SELL. Alas, honesty is still the best policy, and not just for "someone = else". I=20 suppose I'm some kind of "bigot" for expressing this opinion. Beware = however - expressing an individual opinion is usually averse to the=20 interests of the Left, or for that matter cults like Scientology. I was asked to play a London event in 2002 that was initially = described to=20 me as a "gathering of like-minded people", then it was said to me = that it=20 was "in the interest of peace", and finally described to me as an = "anti-Bush=20 rally". I persist in the belief that politics should be peoples' own = business, and I don't care for GroupThink either. If this makes me a = conservative, then I guess I'm one of those, but not in all manners. = I also=20 make it a point not to adhere to stereotypes, or other = pre-constructed=20 expectations. I suppose doing so could make me a "contrarian", or = perhaps=20 just a non-conformist. I prefer the latter. It's a good thing that in San Francisco (and the rest of the United = States=20 of America) you can't be imprisoned without trial and put to death = just for=20 expressing an opinion that opposes some Ayatollah's Fundamentalist = Regime.=20 No, Pat Robertson doesn't even come close. Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * http://www.medialinenews.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Jeff Shirkey"=20 To:=20 Sent: Friday, 09 September, 2005 06:05 AM Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco > > On Sep 9, 2005, at 12:03 AM, Larry wrote: > >> You're dead-on, Matthew: this anti-war stuff is the typical, = knee-jerk >> response of far-left-wing America-haters. > > And thanks for your own knee-jerk response that does nothing more = than=20 > stereotype all anti-war sentiments as the "knee jerk responses of=20 > far-left-wing America-haters." Yep, I'm glad you took the time to = think=20 > that one through. Personally, I prefer the anti-war sentiments to = the=20 > pro-war ones. Call me "crazy"--or "left-wing," or "anti- = American,"=20 > or...(fill in the blank with your preferred stereotype of the = moment). > > Jeff > > > > > > >=20 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C5B548.F6B6B910 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Wind Stick=20 Devil
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, 09 September, = 2005 13:42=20 PM
Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in = San=20 Francisco

<< Of course quite a few so-called "anti-war" types are =
quite=20 often something more - "anti-democracy", or "anti-capitalism", =
"leftist",=20 "socialist", communist", or plain old "anti-Republican".  = >>
 
And some of them like blueberry pancakes.
 
Not an answer.  You don't generally = hide a=20 predilection for pancakes, whereas the Stop the War group is funded = greatly by=20 folks whose main agenda has nothing to do with the war.  That = wasn't a very=20 good attempt at deflection, and I didn't categorize anyone except with = respect=20 to a hidden agenda anyway.
Some of them also like to sunbathe or visit museums. It's foolish = to=20 categorize people into one of two camps. The common practice of the = Right to=20 discuss, bash, trash, etc. so-called "Liberals" is a case in point. = What the=20 hell is a Liberal anyway? People have many = varieties/combinations/permutations=20 of beliefs. If I don't particularly believe in the efficacy of the = death=20 penalty, does that make me a Liberal?
Again, irrelevant.
It's an age-old tactic to create a "bogeyman" a la Goldstein in = Orwell's=20 '1984'. In the 21st century in the US, it's the "Liberals" who are the = bogeyman.
In your case, a Straw man = huh?
The Windmeister

Stephen Goodman=20 <spgoodman@earthlight.net> wrote:
Actually=20 it becomes incumbent upon people who take on the "anti-war" mantle =
to=20 accurately identify their political affiliation(s) so that the = public -=20
the people they're trying to win over to their argument - will = know what=20 the
agenda really is. Of course quite a few so-called "anti-war" = types=20 are
quite often something more - "anti-democracy", or = "anti-capitalism",=20
"leftist", "socialist", communist", or plain old = "anti-Republican".=20 Funny
how this is rarely done. What do such folks have to hide, = and why?=20 Is it
because their actual agenda is known to turn off people = who would=20 otherwise
be hoodwinked effectively into supporting something = which, if=20 they really
thought about it, may be repugnant to them? I've = found a=20 disturbing
tendency on the part of protest movements in the past = 15=20 years or so to be
less concerned with whether they're VIEWED as = "right"=20 than whether they're
actually "right" or not. For me Political=20 Correctness (spawned during a
particular non-Republican's term) = is=20 nothing more than the outgrowth of
someone else's inane need to = oppress=20 others through imitation
intellectualism and cooked numbers. = Individuals=20 of all kinds and colors
tend to rebel against this when they = know what=20 it actually is, which is most
likely why some items are often = blurred a=20 bit or put under a banner
presenting something "more palatable" = and=20 therefore easier to SELL.

Alas, honesty is still the best = policy, and=20 not just for "someone else". I
suppose I'm some kind of "bigot" = for=20 expressing this opinion. Beware
however - expressing an = individual=20 opinion is usually averse to the
interests of the Left, or for = that=20 matter cults like Scientology.

I was asked to play a London = event in=20 2002 that was initially described to
me as a "gathering of = like-minded=20 people", then it was said to me that it
was "in the interest of = peace",=20 and finally described to me as an "anti-Bush
rally". I persist = in the=20 belief that politics should be peoples' own
business, and I = don't care=20 for GroupThink either. If this makes me a
conservative, then I = guess I'm=20 one of those, but not in all manners. I also
make it a point not = to=20 adhere to stereotypes, or other pre-constructed
expectations. I = suppose=20 doing so could make me a "contrarian", or perhaps
just a = non-conformist.=20 I prefer the latter.

It's a good thing that in San Francisco = (and the=20 rest of the United States
of America) you can't be imprisoned = without=20 trial and put to death just for
expressing an opinion that = opposes some=20 Ayatollah's Fundamentalist Regime.
No, Pat Robertson doesn't = even come=20 close.

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Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San=20 Francisco


>
> On Sep 9, 2005, at 12:03 AM, Larry = wrote:
>
>> You're dead-on, Matthew: this anti-war = stuff is=20 the typical, knee-jerk
>> response of far-left-wing=20 America-haters.
>
> And thanks for your own knee-jerk = response=20 that does nothing more than
> stereotype all anti-war = sentiments as=20 the "knee jerk responses of
> far-left-wing America-haters." = Yep, I'm=20 glad you took the time to think
> that one through. = Personally, I=20 prefer the anti-war sentiments to the
> pro-war ones. Call me = "crazy"--or "left-wing," or "anti- American,"
> or...(fill in = the=20 blank with your preferred stereotype of the moment).
>
> = Jeff
>
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------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C5B548.F6B6B910-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 9 14:08:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A4B23BED8; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:08:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=moKamfKXW+1SsrNmWJ9Ksuwp9/TS4X2bquYKxWtmuxdfTWm5HcS9r9eDJTb48T2vYroZaAdEhkHQQDNh8wvEpl82eepbylKqgohFpWr4AiEXhLIxaalc1j5qok7cDzpoZdfi1qg0PLbGU+UnhrD3n/dzNnM9cSJs0qMAgP5TAKo= ; Message-ID: <20050909140847.7956.qmail@web50803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 07:08:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Wind Stick Devil Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002e01c5b540$968ec300$0207a8c0@eluk1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-381288167-1126274926=:7439" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:08:48 +0000 (UTC) --0-381288167-1126274926=:7439 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hahahahahahahaha.... << hidden agendas >> Look at the Right. All those bogus "think-tanks", i.e. Heritage Foundation. These buzzards, and those like them, have been co-opting the ability of Americans to think for many years. Finally, the Left has woken up will begin funding their own "think tanks" to counter the years of propaganda spewed by the Right. How does anyone know YOU know what the hell you're talking about when you characterize these organizations? I already heard nonsensical stuff coming from the Right that, for example, the MoveOn.org is a Communist organization. Stephen Goodman wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: Wind Stick Devil To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, 09 September, 2005 13:42 PM Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco << Of course quite a few so-called "anti-war" types are quite often something more - "anti-democracy", or "anti-capitalism", "leftist", "socialist", communist", or plain old "anti-Republican". >> And some of them like blueberry pancakes. Not an answer. You don't generally hide a predilection for pancakes, whereas the Stop the War group is funded greatly by folks whose main agenda has nothing to do with the war. That wasn't a very good attempt at deflection, and I didn't categorize anyone except with respect to a hidden agenda anyway. Some of them also like to sunbathe or visit museums. It's foolish to categorize people into one of two camps. The common practice of the Right to discuss, bash, trash, etc. so-called "Liberals" is a case in point. What the hell is a Liberal anyway? People have many varieties/combinations/permutations of beliefs. If I don't particularly believe in the efficacy of the death penalty, does that make me a Liberal? Again, irrelevant. It's an age-old tactic to create a "bogeyman" a la Goldstein in Orwell's '1984'. In the 21st century in the US, it's the "Liberals" who are the bogeyman. In your case, a Straw man huh? The Windmeister Stephen Goodman wrote: Actually it becomes incumbent upon people who take on the "anti-war" mantle to accurately identify their political affiliation(s) so that the public - the people they're trying to win over to their argument - will know what the agenda really is. Of course quite a few so-called "anti-war" types are quite often something more - "anti-democracy", or "anti-capitalism", "leftist", "socialist", communist", or plain old "anti-Republican". Funny how this is rarely done. What do such folks have to hide, and why? Is it because their actual agenda is known to turn off people who would otherwise be hoodwinked effectively into supporting something which, if they really thought about it, may be repugnant to them? I've found a disturbing tendency on the part of protest movements in the past 15 years or so to be less concerned with whether they're VIEWED as "right" than whether they're actually "right" or not. For me Political Correctness (spawned during a particular non-Republican's term) is nothing more than the outgrowth of someone else's inane need to oppress others through imitation intellectualism and cooked numbers. Individuals of all kinds and colors tend to rebel against this when they know what it actually is, which is most likely why some items are often blurred a bit or put under a banner presenting something "more palatable" and therefore easier to SELL. Alas, honesty is still the best policy, and not just for "someone else". I suppose I'm some kind of "bigot" for expressing this opinion. Beware however - expressing an individual opinion is usually averse to the interests of the Left, or for that matter cults like Scientology. I was asked to play a London event in 2002 that was initially described to me as a "gathering of like-minded people", then it was said to me that it was "in the interest of peace", and finally described to me as an "anti-Bush rally". I persist in the belief that politics should be peoples' own business, and I don't care for GroupThink either. If this makes me a conservative, then I guess I'm one of those, but not in all manners. I also make it a point not to adhere to stereotypes, or other pre-constructed expectations. I suppose doing so could make me a "contrarian", or perhaps just a non-conformist. I prefer the latter. It's a good thing that in San Francisco (and the rest of the United States of America) you can't be imprisoned without trial and put to death just for expressing an opinion that opposes some Ayatollah's Fundamentalist Regime. No, Pat Robertson doesn't even come close. Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * http://www.medialinenews.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shirkey" To: Sent: Friday, 09 September, 2005 06:05 AM Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco > > On Sep 9, 2005, at 12:03 AM, Larry wrote: > >> You're dead-on, Matthew: this anti-war stuff is the typical, knee-jerk >> response of far-left-wing America-haters. > > And thanks for your own knee-jerk response that does nothing more than > stereotype all anti-war sentiments as the "knee jerk responses of > far-left-wing America-haters." Yep, I'm glad you took the time to think > that one through. Personally, I prefer the anti-war sentiments to the > pro-war ones. Call me "crazy"--or "left-wing," or "anti- American," > or...(fill in the blank with your preferred stereotype of the moment). > > Jeff > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Hahahahahahahaha....
 
<< hidden agendas >>
 
Look at the Right. All those bogus "think-tanks", i.e. Heritage Foundation. These buzzards, and those like them, have been co-opting the ability of Americans to think for many years. Finally, the Left has woken up will begin funding their own "think tanks" to counter the years of propaganda spewed by the Right.
 
How does anyone know YOU know what the hell you're talking about when you characterize these organizations? I already heard nonsensical stuff coming from the Right that, for example, the MoveOn.org is a Communist organization.
 


Stephen Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.net> wrote:
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, 09 September, 2005 13:42 PM
Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco

<< Of course quite a few so-called "anti-war" types are
quite often something more - "anti-democracy", or "anti-capitalism",
"leftist", "socialist", communist", or plain old "anti-Republican".  >>
 
And some of them like blueberry pancakes.
 
Not an answer.  You don't generally hide a predilection for pancakes, whereas the Stop the War group is funded greatly by folks whose main agenda has nothing to do with the war.  That wasn't a very good attempt at deflection, and I didn't categorize anyone except with respect to a hidden agenda anyway.
Some of them also like to sunbathe or visit museums. It's foolish to categorize people into one of two camps. The common practice of the Right to discuss, bash, trash, etc. so-called "Liberals" is a case in point. What the hell is a Liberal anyway? People have many varieties/combinations/permutations of beliefs. If I don't particularly believe in the efficacy of the death penalty, does that make me a Liberal?
Again, irrelevant.
It's an age-old tactic to create a "bogeyman" a la Goldstein in Orwell's '1984'. In the 21st century in the US, it's the "Liberals" who are the bogeyman.
In your case, a Straw man huh?
The Windmeister

Stephen Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.net> wrote:
Actually it becomes incumbent upon people who take on the "anti-war" mantle
to accurately identify their political affiliation(s) so that the public -
the people they're trying to win over to their argument - will know what the
agenda really is. Of course quite a few so-called "anti-war" types are
quite often something more - "anti-democracy", or "anti-capitalism",
"leftist", "socialist", communist", or plain old "anti-Republican". Funny
how this is rarely done. What do such folks have to hide, and why? Is it
because their actual agenda is known to turn off people who would otherwise
be hoodwinked effectively into supporting something which, if they really
thought about it, may be repugnant to them? I've found a disturbing
tendency on the part of protest movements in the past 15 years or so to be
less concerned with whether they're VIEWED as "right" than whether they're
actually "right" or not. For me Political Correctness (spawned during a
particular non-Republican's term) is nothing more than the outgrowth of
someone else's inane need to oppress others through imitation
intellectualism and cooked numbers. Individuals of all kinds and colors
tend to rebel against this when they know what it actually is, which is most
likely why some items are often blurred a bit or put under a banner
presenting something "more palatable" and therefore easier to SELL.

Alas, honesty is still the best policy, and not just for "someone else". I
suppose I'm some kind of "bigot" for expressing this opinion. Beware
however - expressing an individual opinion is usually averse to the
interests of the Left, or for that matter cults like Scientology.

I was asked to play a London event in 2002 that was initially described to
me as a "gathering of like-minded people", then it was said to me that it
was "in the interest of peace", and finally described to me as an "anti-Bush
rally". I persist in the belief that politics should be peoples' own
business, and I don't care for GroupThink either. If this makes me a
conservative, then I guess I'm one of those, but not in all manners. I also
make it a point not to adhere to stereotypes, or other pre-constructed
expectations. I suppose doing so could make me a "contrarian", or perhaps
just a non-conformist. I prefer the latter.

It's a good thing that in San Francisco (and the rest of the United States
of America) you can't be imprisoned without trial and put to death just for
expressing an opinion that opposes some Ayatollah's Fundamentalist Regime.
No, Pat Robertson doesn't even come close.

Stephen Goodman
* Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff
* http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack
* http://www.medialinenews.com


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Shirkey"
To:
Sent: Friday, 09 September, 2005 06:05 AM
Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco


>
> On Sep 9, 2005, at 12:03 AM, Larry wrote:
>
>> You're dead-on, Matthew: this anti-war stuff is the typical, knee-jerk
>> response of far-left-wing America-haters.
>
> And thanks for your own knee-jerk response that does nothing more than
> stereotype all anti-war sentiments as the "knee jerk responses of
> far-left-wing America-haters." Yep, I'm glad you took the time to think
> that one through. Personally, I prefer the anti-war sentiments to the
> pro-war ones. Call me "crazy"--or "left-wing," or "anti- American,"
> or...(fill in the blank with your preferred stereotype of the moment).
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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That's really not bad. I've paid consultants three times that much to develop a 90 minute web-based training course, which involves no serious coding that you do. So, if there are approx. 400 people on this list, and we each contributed that would be roughly $23 a piece. Heck, I'd pitch in at least $50. =20 Have you considered proposing this to the PSP folks? I think one reason why the Vortex failed was poor marketing and bad timing. I personally think it would do much better as a VST plugin...and I think you could generate an ROI that would easily surpass that development fee in no time. You should really talk to PSP, since you know the Vortex so well. You could distribute an online petition that indicates the demand....go to the people on this list, the audio/VST junkies list that Rick moderates, etc. PSPaudioware.com s.c. Dzikiej Rozy 11/8 05-500 Jozefoslaw Poland ph.: +48 60 196 31 73 fax: +48 22 711 25 69 =20 General information contact@PSPaudioware.com =20 Sales sales@PSPaudioware.com =20 Technical support support@PSPaudioware.com or visit our support forums =20 Kris -----Original Message----- From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk]=20 Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 4:23 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:RE: lexicon boxes At 09:18 09/09/05, you wrote: >Hey Andy, ever thought of creating a VST version of the vortex? :) thought about it, and costed the project. i'll do it for =A35000 :-) andy ps, as the hardware flopped commercially, a recreation is unlikely. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 9 15:36:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA77A3BED9; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 15:36:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001901c5b554$3388a280$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20050909140847.7956.qmail@web50803.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 16:36:07 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C5B55C.9446BE10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 15:36:14 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C5B55C.9446BE10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Wind Stick Devil=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, 09 September, 2005 15:08 PM Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco Hahahahahahahaha.... << hidden agendas >> Look at the Right. All those bogus "think-tanks", i.e. Heritage = Foundation. These buzzards, and those like them, have been co-opting the = ability of Americans to think for many years. Finally, the Left has = woken up will begin funding their own "think tanks" to counter the years = of propaganda spewed by the Right. And Harvard, Oxford, Brandeis - or for that matter the speciously-named = "Citizens for the American Way" - haven't just popped up overnight, have = they? The Left maintains their own dream and wishes to enforce it, so = how's that different to what you're going after? How does anyone know YOU know what the hell you're talking about when = you characterize these organizations? I already heard nonsensical stuff = coming from the Right that, for example, the MoveOn.org is a Communist = organization. Ah, but when I express my opinion I don't think everyone should share = it. As far as moveon.org goes, they're a group of people previously = hypnotised by Al "Pay Me" Gore, who just can't get with the fact that = it's 2005, and can't do what their domain name pretends it wants to do, = while spamming with a nearly evangelistic ferocity.=20 Stephen Goodman wrote: ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Wind Stick Devil=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, 09 September, 2005 13:42 PM Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco << Of course quite a few so-called "anti-war" types are=20 quite often something more - "anti-democracy", or = "anti-capitalism",=20 "leftist", "socialist", communist", or plain old = "anti-Republican". >> And some of them like blueberry pancakes. Not an answer. You don't generally hide a predilection for = pancakes, whereas the Stop the War group is funded greatly by folks = whose main agenda has nothing to do with the war. That wasn't a very = good attempt at deflection, and I didn't categorize anyone except with = respect to a hidden agenda anyway. Some of them also like to sunbathe or visit museums. It's foolish = to categorize people into one of two camps. The common practice of the = Right to discuss, bash, trash, etc. so-called "Liberals" is a case in = point. What the hell is a Liberal anyway? People have many = varieties/combinations/permutations of beliefs. If I don't particularly = believe in the efficacy of the death penalty, does that make me a = Liberal? Again, irrelevant. It's an age-old tactic to create a "bogeyman" a la Goldstein in = Orwell's '1984'. In the 21st century in the US, it's the "Liberals" who = are the bogeyman.=20 In your case, a Straw man huh? The Windmeister Stephen Goodman wrote: Actually it becomes incumbent upon people who take on the = "anti-war" mantle=20 to accurately identify their political affiliation(s) so that = the public -=20 the people they're trying to win over to their argument - will = know what the=20 agenda really is. Of course quite a few so-called "anti-war" = types are=20 quite often something more - "anti-democracy", or = "anti-capitalism",=20 "leftist", "socialist", communist", or plain old = "anti-Republican". Funny=20 how this is rarely done. What do such folks have to hide, and = why? Is it=20 because their actual agenda is known to turn off people who = would otherwise=20 be hoodwinked effectively into supporting something which, if = they really=20 thought about it, may be repugnant to them? I've found a = disturbing=20 tendency on the part of protest movements in the past 15 years = or so to be=20 less concerned with whether they're VIEWED as "right" than = whether they're=20 actually "right" or not. For me Political Correctness (spawned = during a=20 particular non-Republican's term) is nothing more than the = outgrowth of=20 someone else's inane need to oppress others through imitation=20 intellectualism and cooked numbers. Individuals of all kinds and = colors=20 tend to rebel against this when they know what it actually is, = which is most=20 likely why some items are often blurred a bit or put under a = banner=20 presenting something "more palatable" and therefore easier to = SELL. Alas, honesty is still the best policy, and not just for = "someone else". I=20 suppose I'm some kind of "bigot" for expressing this opinion. = Beware=20 however - expressing an individual opinion is usually averse to = the=20 interests of the Left, or for that matter cults like = Scientology. I was asked to play a London event in 2002 that was initially = described to=20 me as a "gathering of like-minded people", then it was said to = me that it=20 was "in the interest of peace", and finally described to me as = an "anti-Bush=20 rally". I persist in the belief that politics should be peoples' = own=20 business, and I don't care for GroupThink either. If this makes = me a=20 conservative, then I guess I'm one of those, but not in all = manners. I also=20 make it a point not to adhere to stereotypes, or other = pre-constructed=20 expectations. I suppose doing so could make me a "contrarian", = or perhaps=20 just a non-conformist. I prefer the latter. It's a good thing that in San Francisco (and the rest of the = United States=20 of America) you can't be imprisoned without trial and put to = death just for=20 expressing an opinion that opposes some Ayatollah's = Fundamentalist Regime.=20 No, Pat Robertson doesn't even come close. Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * http://www.medialinenews.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Jeff Shirkey"=20 To:=20 Sent: Friday, 09 September, 2005 06:05 AM Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco > > On Sep 9, 2005, at 12:03 AM, Larry wrote: > >> You're dead-on, Matthew: this anti-war stuff is the typical, = knee-jerk >> response of far-left-wing America-haters. > > And thanks for your own knee-jerk response that does nothing = more than=20 > stereotype all anti-war sentiments as the "knee jerk responses = of=20 > far-left-wing America-haters." Yep, I'm glad you took the time = to think=20 > that one through. Personally, I prefer the anti-war sentiments = to the=20 > pro-war ones. Call me "crazy"--or "left-wing," or "anti- = American,"=20 > or...(fill in the blank with your preferred stereotype of the = moment). > > Jeff > > > > > > >=20 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C5B55C.9446BE10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Wind Stick=20 Devil
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, 09 September, = 2005 15:08=20 PM
Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in = San=20 Francisco

Hahahahahahahaha....
 
<< hidden agendas >>
 
Look at the Right. All those bogus "think-tanks", i.e. Heritage=20 Foundation. These buzzards, and those like them, have been co-opting = the=20 ability of Americans to think for many years. Finally, the Left has = woken up=20 will begin funding their own "think tanks" to counter the years of = propaganda=20 spewed by the Right.
And Harvard, Oxford, Brandeis - or for = that matter the=20 speciously-named "Citizens for the American Way" - haven't just popped = up=20 overnight, have they?  The Left maintains their own dream and = wishes to=20 enforce it, so how's that different to what you're going = after?
How does anyone know YOU know what the hell you're talking about = when you=20 characterize these organizations? I already heard nonsensical stuff = coming=20 from the Right that, for example, the MoveOn.org is a Communist=20 organization.
Ah, but when I express my opinion I don't = think=20 everyone should share it.  As far as moveon.org goes,=20 they're a group of people previously hypnotised by Al "Pay Me" Gore, who = just=20 can't get with the fact that it's 2005, and can't do what their domain = name=20 pretends it wants to do, while spamming with a nearly evangelistic = ferocity.=20


Stephen Goodman = <spgoodman@earthlight.net>=20 wrote:
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Wind Stick=20 Devil
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, 09 September, = 2005=20 13:42 PM
Subject: Re: BEATS NOT = BOMBS in San=20 Francisco

<< Of course quite a few so-called "anti-war" types are =
quite often something more - "anti-democracy", or = "anti-capitalism",=20
"leftist", "socialist", communist", or plain old=20 "anti-Republican".  >>
 
And some of them like blueberry pancakes.
 
Not an answer.  You don't = generally hide a=20 predilection for pancakes, whereas the Stop the War group is funded = greatly=20 by folks whose main agenda has nothing to do with the war.  = That wasn't=20 a very good attempt at deflection, and I didn't categorize anyone = except=20 with respect to a hidden agenda anyway.
Some of them also like to sunbathe or visit museums. It's = foolish to=20 categorize people into one of two camps. The common practice of = the Right=20 to discuss, bash, trash, etc. so-called "Liberals" is a case in = point.=20 What the hell is a Liberal anyway? People have many=20 varieties/combinations/permutations of beliefs. If I don't = particularly=20 believe in the efficacy of the death penalty, does that make me a=20 Liberal?
Again, irrelevant.
It's an age-old tactic to create a "bogeyman" a la Goldstein = in=20 Orwell's '1984'. In the 21st century in the US, it's the = "Liberals" who=20 are the bogeyman.
In your case, a Straw man = huh?
The Windmeister

Stephen Goodman=20 <spgoodman@earthlight.net> wrote:
Actually=20 it becomes incumbent upon people who take on the "anti-war" = mantle=20
to accurately identify their political affiliation(s) so = that the=20 public -
the people they're trying to win over to their = argument -=20 will know what the
agenda really is. Of course quite a few = so-called=20 "anti-war" types are
quite often something more - = "anti-democracy",=20 or "anti-capitalism",
"leftist", "socialist", communist", or = plain=20 old "anti-Republican". Funny
how this is rarely done. What = do such=20 folks have to hide, and why? Is it
because their actual = agenda is=20 known to turn off people who would otherwise
be hoodwinked=20 effectively into supporting something which, if they really =
thought=20 about it, may be repugnant to them? I've found a disturbing =
tendency=20 on the part of protest movements in the past 15 years or so to = be=20
less concerned with whether they're VIEWED as "right" than = whether=20 they're
actually "right" or not. For me Political = Correctness=20 (spawned during a
particular non-Republican's term) is = nothing more=20 than the outgrowth of
someone else's inane need to oppress = others=20 through imitation
intellectualism and cooked numbers. = Individuals of=20 all kinds and colors
tend to rebel against this when they = know what=20 it actually is, which is most
likely why some items are = often=20 blurred a bit or put under a banner
presenting something = "more=20 palatable" and therefore easier to SELL.

Alas, honesty is = still=20 the best policy, and not just for "someone else". I
suppose = I'm some=20 kind of "bigot" for expressing this opinion. Beware
however = -=20 expressing an individual opinion is usually averse to the =
interests=20 of the Left, or for that matter cults like Scientology.

I = was=20 asked to play a London event in 2002 that was initially = described to=20
me as a "gathering of like-minded people", then it was said = to me=20 that it
was "in the interest of peace", and finally = described to me=20 as an "anti-Bush
rally". I persist in the belief that = politics=20 should be peoples' own
business, and I don't care for = GroupThink=20 either. If this makes me a
conservative, then I guess I'm = one of=20 those, but not in all manners. I also
make it a point not to = adhere=20 to stereotypes, or other pre-constructed
expectations. I = suppose=20 doing so could make me a "contrarian", or perhaps
just a=20 non-conformist. I prefer the latter.

It's a good thing = that in=20 San Francisco (and the rest of the United States
of America) = you=20 can't be imprisoned without trial and put to death just for=20
expressing an opinion that opposes some Ayatollah's = Fundamentalist=20 Regime.
No, Pat Robertson doesn't even come = close.

Stephen=20 Goodman
* Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff
*=20 http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack
*=20 http://www.medialinenews.com


----- Original Message = -----=20
From: "Jeff Shirkey"
To:=20
Sent: Friday, 09 = September,=20 2005 06:05 AM
Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San=20 Francisco


>
> On Sep 9, 2005, at 12:03 AM, = Larry=20 wrote:
>
>> You're dead-on, Matthew: this = anti-war stuff=20 is the typical, knee-jerk
>> response of far-left-wing=20 America-haters.
>
> And thanks for your own = knee-jerk=20 response that does nothing more than
> stereotype all = anti-war=20 sentiments as the "knee jerk responses of
> far-left-wing = America-haters." Yep, I'm glad you took the time to think =
> that=20 one through. Personally, I prefer the anti-war sentiments to the =
> pro-war ones. Call me "crazy"--or "left-wing," or = "anti-=20 American,"
> or...(fill in the blank with your preferred=20 stereotype of the moment).
>
>=20 Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>=20

__________________________________________________
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Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection = around=20
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Mail has the best spam protection around Verdana 0000,0000,EEEEhttp://mail.yahoo.com = = --Apple-Mail-12--202492829-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 9 15:51:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B40B3BEE2; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 15:51:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-13--202468935 Message-Id: <4f68518a2c1de1d930f5dd51d8c5842e@bartholomusic.com> From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: BEETS NOT POMES Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 10:51:42 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 66.226.64.14 Resent-Message-ID: <35cj3B.A.BCE.Y-aIDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 15:51:53 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-13--202468935 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed omg. when did he call anyone a nazi? are u an idiot? simple comprehension woman. ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 9, 2005, at 7:50 AM, Kathy Deane wrote: > Calling someone a Natzi cause they want to change the subject is=20 > pretty raw. > > > I'll bet a lot of people in Nazi Germany expressed the same=20 > sentiments at one time. > > Kathy Deane wrote: > > I like beets more than pomegranates...How about a new subject? > The polarity is disrupting the harmony of the tunes in my head. > > =93Can=92t we all just get along?=94 > Rodney King April 29, 1992 > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? =A0Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > =20 > =20= --Apple-Mail-13--202468935 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 omg. when did he call anyone a nazi? are u an idiot? simple comprehension woman. ___7979,0404,0909 Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 9, 2005, at 7:50 AM, Kathy Deane wrote: VerdanaCalling someone a Natzi cause they want to change the subject is pretty raw. Verdana I'll bet a lot of people in Nazi Germany expressed the same sentiments at one time. VerdanaKathy Deane = <Verdana wrote: Verdana I like beets more than pomegranates...How about a new subject? Verdana The polarity is disrupting the harmony of the tunes in my head. Verdana =93Can=92t we all just get = along?=94 Verdana Rodney King April 29, = 1992 Verdana __________________________________________________ Verdana Do You Yahoo!? Verdana Tired of spam? =A0Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around Verdana 0000,0000,EEEDhttp://mail.yahoo.com = = --Apple-Mail-13--202468935-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 9 16:48:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2C903BEE2; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 16:48:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4321BC7A.6080608@speakeasy.net> Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 09:46:50 -0700 From: Dennis Montgomery User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040707 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: multiply -> reverse question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 16:48:30 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, I went back to the EDP manual to learn some new 'multiply' tricks last night. I was trying the alternative ending of following a multiply with reverse (described on page 5-33) but couldn't get it to work. I'd go into multiply mode and hit reverse, but the multiply would just keep running adding new cycles. I tried triggering both from the footswitch and my midi controller but no go. Other multiply alternate endings were working for me just fine. Any ideas? Dennis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 9 17:56:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9F8F3BEDF; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:56:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=mMLxjkEMUU7bBRxjN3NRwSkroYZwV/K04POSJR9gIIzit9Qy36aU+bwdJMwNI+uX; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22005959175929140@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 13:59:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9401a7f203fddc5a67d961a181299cd0f33350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.146.157 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:56:04 +0000 (UTC) "Of course quite a few so-called "anti-war" types are quite often something more - "anti-democracy", or "anti-capitalism", "leftist", "socialist", communist", or plain old "anti-Republican". " Well, Stephen, while there are a sprinkling of "Hate America First" types in the antiwar movement, you may not realize that, here in America, there are a lot of regular just-plain-joes who have begun to turn against the war...maybe it's seeing their kids come home in rubber bags.And THEN there are those antiwar protests lead by people who have actually BEEN to war. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Stephen Goodman > To: > Date: 9/9/2005 5:33:15 AM > Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco > > Actually it becomes incumbent upon people who take on the "anti-war" mantle > to accurately identify their political affiliation(s) so that the public - > the people they're trying to win over to their argument - will know what the > agenda really is. Of course quite a few so-called "anti-war" types are > quite often something more - "anti-democracy", or "anti-capitalism", > "leftist", "socialist", communist", or plain old "anti-Republican". Funny > how this is rarely done. What do such folks have to hide, and why? Is it > because their actual agenda is known to turn off people who would otherwise > be hoodwinked effectively into supporting something which, if they really > thought about it, may be repugnant to them? I've found a disturbing > tendency on the part of protest movements in the past 15 years or so to be > less concerned with whether they're VIEWED as "right" than whether they're > actually "right" or not. For me Political Correctness (spawned during a > particular non-Republican's term) is nothing more than the outgrowth of > someone else's inane need to oppress others through imitation > intellectualism and cooked numbers. Individuals of all kinds and colors > tend to rebel against this when they know what it actually is, which is most > likely why some items are often blurred a bit or put under a banner > presenting something "more palatable" and therefore easier to SELL. > > Alas, honesty is still the best policy, and not just for "someone else". I > suppose I'm some kind of "bigot" for expressing this opinion. Beware > however - expressing an individual opinion is usually averse to the > interests of the Left, or for that matter cults like Scientology. > > I was asked to play a London event in 2002 that was initially described to > me as a "gathering of like-minded people", then it was said to me that it > was "in the interest of peace", and finally described to me as an "anti-Bush > rally". I persist in the belief that politics should be peoples' own > business, and I don't care for GroupThink either. If this makes me a > conservative, then I guess I'm one of those, but not in all manners. I also > make it a point not to adhere to stereotypes, or other pre-constructed > expectations. I suppose doing so could make me a "contrarian", or perhaps > just a non-conformist. I prefer the latter. > > It's a good thing that in San Francisco (and the rest of the United States > of America) you can't be imprisoned without trial and put to death just for > expressing an opinion that opposes some Ayatollah's Fundamentalist Regime. > No, Pat Robertson doesn't even come close. > > Stephen Goodman > * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff > * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack > * http://www.medialinenews.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Shirkey" > To: > Sent: Friday, 09 September, 2005 06:05 AM > Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco > > > > > > On Sep 9, 2005, at 12:03 AM, Larry wrote: > > > >> You're dead-on, Matthew: this anti-war stuff is the typical, knee-jerk > >> response of far-left-wing America-haters. > > > > And thanks for your own knee-jerk response that does nothing more than > > stereotype all anti-war sentiments as the "knee jerk responses of > > far-left-wing America-haters." Yep, I'm glad you took the time to think > > that one through. Personally, I prefer the anti-war sentiments to the > > pro-war ones. Call me "crazy"--or "left-wing," or "anti- American," > > or...(fill in the blank with your preferred stereotype of the moment). > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 9 17:56:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DC5D3BEE7; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:56:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Pc9GREuQL85R1uc5HWnFVvU4DYsWDxRcMNh7/A6VkHj+ZUEh/wtpdChQWyVePaL3; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200595918016540@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Tim's footswitch was Re: lexicon boxes (vortex for $5) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:00:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9406374e43c7eceb6a09d4b1a595cbbe1ea350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.146.157 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 17:56:49 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for your time, Andy. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: a k butler > To: > Date: 9/9/2005 6:19:22 AM > Subject: Tim's footswitch was Re: lexicon boxes (vortex for $5) > > At 09:18 09/09/05, you wrote: > >Hi Andy: > > > >I luv my Vortex but it has a small glitch that I was wondering if I could > >ask you about: when I use the original 2-button footswitch to take it in > >and out of bypass, it sometimes takes 2 pushes, like it's thinking about > >it. > >All else is great, as the unit was gently used by its previous owner. > >Any ideas? > > I'd open up the footswitch, check everything is correctly assembled, > and spray the switches. > > Those switches can double trigger, > but after cleaning and regular use they get better. > > andy > www.andybutler.com for vortex info, mp3s, and livelooping cd > > > > >Cheerios, > >TimMungenast From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 9 18:34:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0EA73BEDC; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 18:34:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=sT7f2HELz8gtSN8X21Ozxb5r7sb9AvB7ayHN48CMuypI3I9z8ofi/EtjuxioYqcw; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22005959183815730@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: Lexicon Answers Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:38:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940a60856b6de024347bf4096b0fea508ea350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.91.162.110 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 18:34:48 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi Gang: I spoke to my Lexicon buddy and here's what he said (cut-n-pasted below): "You can try getting support for the MPX500 and the PCM81 at the Lexicon Pro website: http://www.lexiconpro.com For older stuff -- like the Vortex -- you might need to go to a local mom-and-pop electronics shop. I hear that Jim Fabiano is a good repair guy for old Lexicon gear. His website follows: http://www.jimfabiano.com/ " Hope this helps. I may check 'em out if my Lexi boxes blow up. Sonic Luv, Tim Mungenast ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

Hi Gang:
I spoke to my Lexicon buddy and here's what he said (cut-n-pasted below):
 
"You can try getting support for the MPX500 and the PCM81 at the Lexicon Pro website:
For older stuff -- like the Vortex -- you might need to go to a local mom-and-pop electronics shop.  I hear that Jim Fabiano is a good repair guy for old Lexicon gear.  His website follows:
 
Hope this helps. I may check 'em out if my Lexi boxes blow up.
Sonic Luv,
Tim Mungenast
 

------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 9 19:08:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30F173BEEA; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 19:08:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-DElight@loopersdelight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=iBZIptzFx2sUbhei3xVgzTkQSmq7MjXYVF0DiMxfUwje3Or8RaAMq3Ju5JmYudz+ETYT8nfAJH1Dt8UcyBeSmaBnTtc3v8XeqggL+n2vXlaemfz1jwVpe89zDCzIOtpb2GHEyXiCUprbE3lOH3a42AAtHytQL+38jaCLa5Fs/3I= ; Message-ID: <20050909190804.55561.qmail@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 12:08:04 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco To: Loopers-DElight@loopersdelight.com In-Reply-To: <410-22005959175929140@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1767451477-1126292884=:55462" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 19:08:06 +0000 (UTC) --0-1767451477-1126292884=:55462 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ABSOLUTE POWER!!! ect... Timothy Mungenast wrote:"Of course quite a few so-called "anti-war" types are quite often something more - "anti-democracy", or "anti-capitalism", "leftist", "socialist", communist", or plain old "anti-Republican". " Well, Stephen, while there are a sprinkling of "Hate America First" types in the antiwar movement, you may not realize that, here in America, there are a lot of regular just-plain-joes who have begun to turn against the war...maybe it's seeing their kids come home in rubber bags.And THEN there are those antiwar protests lead by people who have actually BEEN to war. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Stephen Goodman > To: > Date: 9/9/2005 5:33:15 AM > Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco > > Actually it becomes incumbent upon people who take on the "anti-war" mantle > to accurately identify their political affiliation(s) so that the public - > the people they're trying to win over to their argument - will know what the > agenda really is. Of course quite a few so-called "anti-war" types are > quite often something more - "anti-democracy", or "anti-capitalism", > "leftist", "socialist", communist", or plain old "anti-Republican". Funny > how this is rarely done. What do such folks have to hide, and why? Is it > because their actual agenda is known to turn off people who would otherwise > be hoodwinked effectively into supporting something which, if they really > thought about it, may be repugnant to them? I've found a disturbing > tendency on the part of protest movements in the past 15 years or so to be > less concerned with whether they're VIEWED as "right" than whether they're > actually "right" or not. For me Political Correctness (spawned during a > particular non-Republican's term) is nothing more than the outgrowth of > someone else's inane need to oppress others through imitation > intellectualism and cooked numbers. Individuals of all kinds and colors > tend to rebel against this when they know what it actually is, which is most > likely why some items are often blurred a bit or put under a banner > presenting something "more palatable" and therefore easier to SELL. > > Alas, honesty is still the best policy, and not just for "someone else". I > suppose I'm some kind of "bigot" for expressing this opinion. Beware > however - expressing an individual opinion is usually averse to the > interests of the Left, or for that matter cults like Scientology. > > I was asked to play a London event in 2002 that was initially described to > me as a "gathering of like-minded people", then it was said to me that it > was "in the interest of peace", and finally described to me as an "anti-Bush > rally". I persist in the belief that politics should be peoples' own > business, and I don't care for GroupThink either. If this makes me a > conservative, then I guess I'm one of those, but not in all manners. I also > make it a point not to adhere to stereotypes, or other pre-constructed > expectations. I suppose doing so could make me a "contrarian", or perhaps > just a non-conformist. I prefer the latter. > > It's a good thing that in San Francisco (and the rest of the United States > of America) you can't be imprisoned without trial and put to death just for > expressing an opinion that opposes some Ayatollah's Fundamentalist Regime. > No, Pat Robertson doesn't even come close. > > Stephen Goodman > * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff > * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack > * http://www.medialinenews.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Shirkey" > To: > Sent: Friday, 09 September, 2005 06:05 AM > Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco > > > > > > On Sep 9, 2005, at 12:03 AM, Larry wrote: > > > >> You're dead-on, Matthew: this anti-war stuff is the typical, knee-jerk > >> response of far-left-wing America-haters. > > > > And thanks for your own knee-jerk response that does nothing more than > > stereotype all anti-war sentiments as the "knee jerk responses of > > far-left-wing America-haters." Yep, I'm glad you took the time to think > > that one through. Personally, I prefer the anti-war sentiments to the > > pro-war ones. Call me "crazy"--or "left-wing," or "anti- American," > > or...(fill in the blank with your preferred stereotype of the moment). > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-1767451477-1126292884=:55462 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
ABSOLUTE POWER!!!  ect...

Timothy Mungenast <mungenast@earthlink.net> wrote:
"Of course quite a few so-called "anti-war" types are
quite often something more - "anti-democracy", or "anti-capitalism",
"leftist", "socialist", communist", or plain old "anti-Republican". "

Well, Stephen, while there are a sprinkling of "Hate America First" types
in the antiwar movement, you may not realize that, here in America, there
are a lot of regular just-plain-joes who have begun to turn against the
war...maybe it's seeing their kids come home in rubber bags.And THEN there
are those antiwar protests lead by people who have actually BEEN to war.
~Tim




> [Original Message]
> From: Stephen Goodman
> To:
> Date: 9/9/2005 5:33:15 AM
> Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco
>
> Actually it becomes incumbent upon people who take on the "anti-war"
mantle
> to accurately identify their political affiliation(s) so that the public
-
> the people they're trying to win over to their argument - will know what
the
> agenda really is. Of course quite a few so-called "anti-war" types are
> quite often something more - "anti-democracy", or "anti-capitalism",
> "leftist", "socialist", communist", or plain old "anti-Republican".
Funny
> how this is rarely done. What do such folks have to hide, and why? Is
it
> because their actual agenda is known to turn off people who would
otherwise
> be hoodwinked effectively into supporting something which, if they really
> thought about it, may be repugnant to them? I've found a disturbing
> tendency on the part of protest movements in the past 15 years or so to
be
> less concerned with whether they're VIEWED as "right" than whether
they're
> actually "right" or not. For me Political Correctness (spawned during a
> particular non-Republican's term) is nothing more than the outgrowth of
> someone else's inane need to oppress others through imitation
> intellectualism and cooked numbers. Individuals of all kinds and colors
> tend to rebel against this when they know what it actually is, which is
most
> likely why some items are often blurred a bit or put under a banner
> presenting something "more palatable" and therefore easier to SELL.
>
> Alas, honesty is still the best policy, and not just for "someone else".
I
> suppose I'm some kind of "bigot" for expressing this opinion. Beware
> however - expressing an individual opinion is usually averse to the
> interests of the Left, or for that matter cults like Scientology.
>
> I was asked to play a London event in 2002 that was initially described
to
> me as a "gathering of like-minded people", then it was said to me that it
> was "in the interest of peace", and finally described to me as an
"anti-Bush
> rally". I persist in the belief that politics should be peoples' own
> business, and I don't care for GroupThink either. If this makes me a
> conservative, then I guess I'm one of those, but not in all manners. I
also
> make it a point not to adhere to stereotypes, or other pre-constructed
> expectations. I suppose doing so could make me a "contrarian", or
perhaps
> just a non-conformist. I prefer the latter.
>
> It's a good thing that in San Francisco (and the rest of the United
States
> of America) you can't be imprisoned without trial and put to death just
for
> expressing an opinion that opposes some Ayatollah's Fundamentalist
Regime.
> No, Pat Robertson doesn't even come close.
>
> Stephen Goodman
> * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff
> * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack
> * http://www.medialinenews.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Shirkey"
> To:
> Sent: Friday, 09 September, 2005 06:05 AM
> Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco
>
>
> >
> > On Sep 9, 2005, at 12:03 AM, Larry wrote:
> >
> >> You're dead-on, Matthew: this anti-war stuff is the typical, knee-jerk
> >> response of far-left-wing America-haters.
> >
> > And thanks for your own knee-jerk response that does nothing more than
> > stereotype all anti-war sentiments as the "knee jerk responses of
> > far-left-wing America-haters." Yep, I'm glad you took the time to
think
> > that one through. Personally, I prefer the anti-war sentiments to the
> > pro-war ones. Call me "crazy"--or "left-wing," or "anti- American,"
> > or...(fill in the blank with your preferred stereotype of the moment).
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >


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Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-1012214878-1126294852=:56468-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 9 22:46:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 203193BED8; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 22:46:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <143.4c91039f.30536aae@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 18:46:06 EDT Subject: Re: very very OT was BEATS NOT BOMBS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 22:46:18 +0000 (UTC) http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20050909/911_and_the_sport_of_god.php http://www.counterpunch.org/floyd09012005.html http://www.counterpunch.org/floyd09072005.html b From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 9 23:47:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D9A73BEDE; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 23:47:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1ruyb3mA5PdseiX6BVZ9iYFRZ2Vd28nCxj6TKcze0dZPqVgXL1JO6qDcgpjnVw4Z1Jatcbv3DMUehEe+INnXAYskNh9skWLC8FgclC3ov0NmnkhOWha94WkIA0w04UgMgZAC8E/aqVQPPMIHN1xwexgNO7qboLN1xpENu8OkdTU= ; Message-ID: <20050909234707.85621.qmail@web50813.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 16:47:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Wind Stick Devil Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001901c5b554$3388a280$0207a8c0@eluk1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1820009220-1126309627=:82666" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 23:47:08 +0000 (UTC) --0-1820009220-1126309627=:82666 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit << And Harvard, Oxford, Brandeis - or for that matter the speciously-named "Citizens for the American Way >> A bogus comeback and you know it. You brainwashed Rightwingers just can't face the reality of the reality you're living in. No matter how goddamn awful the Bush administration performs, you Righties cast your eyes away and make excuses. AND YET, when a Democrat was leading this country (very well, I may say), you nitpicked on ever little m*otherf*cking thing. Or did you blank those moments out? Stephen Goodman wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: Wind Stick Devil To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, 09 September, 2005 15:08 PM Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco Hahahahahahahaha.... << hidden agendas >> Look at the Right. All those bogus "think-tanks", i.e. Heritage Foundation. These buzzards, and those like them, have been co-opting the ability of Americans to think for many years. Finally, the Left has woken up will begin funding their own "think tanks" to counter the years of propaganda spewed by the Right. And Harvard, Oxford, Brandeis - or for that matter the speciously-named "Citizens for the American Way" - haven't just popped up overnight, have they? The Left maintains their own dream and wishes to enforce it, so how's that different to what you're going after? How does anyone know YOU know what the hell you're talking about when you characterize these organizations? I already heard nonsensical stuff coming from the Right that, for example, the MoveOn.org is a Communist organization. Ah, but when I express my opinion I don't think everyone should share it. As far as moveon.org goes, they're a group of people previously hypnotised by Al "Pay Me" Gore, who just can't get with the fact that it's 2005, and can't do what their domain name pretends it wants to do, while spamming with a nearly evangelistic ferocity. Stephen Goodman wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: Wind Stick Devil To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, 09 September, 2005 13:42 PM Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco << Of course quite a few so-called "anti-war" types are quite often something more - "anti-democracy", or "anti-capitalism", "leftist", "socialist", communist", or plain old "anti-Republican". >> And some of them like blueberry pancakes. Not an answer. You don't generally hide a predilection for pancakes, whereas the Stop the War group is funded greatly by folks whose main agenda has nothing to do with the war. That wasn't a very good attempt at deflection, and I didn't categorize anyone except with respect to a hidden agenda anyway. Some of them also like to sunbathe or visit museums. It's foolish to categorize people into one of two camps. The common practice of the Right to discuss, bash, trash, etc. so-called "Liberals" is a case in point. What the hell is a Liberal anyway? People have many varieties/combinations/permutations of beliefs. If I don't particularly believe in the efficacy of the death penalty, does that make me a Liberal? Again, irrelevant. It's an age-old tactic to create a "bogeyman" a la Goldstein in Orwell's '1984'. In the 21st century in the US, it's the "Liberals" who are the bogeyman. In your case, a Straw man huh? The Windmeister Stephen Goodman wrote: Actually it becomes incumbent upon people who take on the "anti-war" mantle to accurately identify their political affiliation(s) so that the public - the people they're trying to win over to their argument - will know what the agenda really is. Of course quite a few so-called "anti-war" types are quite often something more - "anti-democracy", or "anti-capitalism", "leftist", "socialist", communist", or plain old "anti-Republican". Funny how this is rarely done. What do such folks have to hide, and why? Is it because their actual agenda is known to turn off people who would otherwise be hoodwinked effectively into supporting something which, if they really thought about it, may be repugnant to them? I've found a disturbing tendency on the part of protest movements in the past 15 years or so to be less concerned with whether they're VIEWED as "right" than whether they're actually "right" or not. For me Political Correctness (spawned during a particular non-Republican's term) is nothing more than the outgrowth of someone else's inane need to oppress others through imitation intellectualism and cooked numbers. Individuals of all kinds and colors tend to rebel against this when they know what it actually is, which is most likely why some items are often blurred a bit or put under a banner presenting something "more palatable" and therefore easier to SELL. Alas, honesty is still the best policy, and not just for "someone else". I suppose I'm some kind of "bigot" for expressing this opinion. Beware however - expressing an individual opinion is usually averse to the interests of the Left, or for that matter cults like Scientology. I was asked to play a London event in 2002 that was initially described to me as a "gathering of like-minded people", then it was said to me that it was "in the interest of peace", and finally described to me as an "anti-Bush rally". I persist in the belief that politics should be peoples' own business, and I don't care for GroupThink either. If this makes me a conservative, then I guess I'm one of those, but not in all manners. I also make it a point not to adhere to stereotypes, or other pre-constructed expectations. I suppose doing so could make me a "contrarian", or perhaps just a non-conformist. I prefer the latter. It's a good thing that in San Francisco (and the rest of the United States of America) you can't be imprisoned without trial and put to death just for expressing an opinion that opposes some Ayatollah's Fundamentalist Regime. No, Pat Robertson doesn't even come close. Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * http://www.medialinenews.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shirkey" To: Sent: Friday, 09 September, 2005 06:05 AM Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco > > On Sep 9, 2005, at 12:03 AM, Larry wrote: > >> You're dead-on, Matthew: this anti-war stuff is the typical, knee-jerk >> response of far-left-wing America-haters. > > And thanks for your own knee-jerk response that does nothing more than > stereotype all anti-war sentiments as the "knee jerk responses of > far-left-wing America-haters." Yep, I'm glad you took the time to think > that one through. Personally, I prefer the anti-war sentiments to the > pro-war ones. Call me "crazy"--or "left-wing," or "anti- American," > or...(fill in the blank with your preferred stereotype of the moment). > > Jeff > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1820009220-1126309627=:82666 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
<< And Harvard, Oxford, Brandeis - or for that matter the speciously-named "Citizens for the American Way >>
 
A bogus comeback and you know it. You brainwashed Rightwingers just can't face the reality of the reality you're living in. No matter how goddamn awful the Bush administration performs, you Righties cast your eyes away and make excuses. AND YET, when a Democrat was leading this country (very well, I may say), you nitpicked on ever little m*otherf*cking thing. Or did you blank those moments out?

Stephen Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.net> wrote:
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, 09 September, 2005 15:08 PM
Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco

Hahahahahahahaha....
 
<< hidden agendas >>
 
Look at the Right. All those bogus "think-tanks", i.e. Heritage Foundation. These buzzards, and those like them, have been co-opting the ability of Americans to think for many years. Finally, the Left has woken up will begin funding their own "think tanks" to counter the years of propaganda spewed by the Right.
And Harvard, Oxford, Brandeis - or for that matter the speciously-named "Citizens for the American Way" - haven't just popped up overnight, have they?  The Left maintains their own dream and wishes to enforce it, so how's that different to what you're going after?
How does anyone know YOU know what the hell you're talking about when you characterize these organizations? I already heard nonsensical stuff coming from the Right that, for example, the MoveOn.org is a Communist organization.
Ah, but when I express my opinion I don't think everyone should share it.  As far as moveon.org goes, they're a group of people previously hypnotised by Al "Pay Me" Gore, who just can't get with the fact that it's 2005, and can't do what their domain name pretends it wants to do, while spamming with a nearly evangelistic ferocity.


Stephen Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.net> wrote:
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, 09 September, 2005 13:42 PM
Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco

<< Of course quite a few so-called "anti-war" types are
quite often something more - "anti-democracy", or "anti-capitalism",
"leftist", "socialist", communist", or plain old "anti-Republican".  >>
 
And some of them like blueberry pancakes.
 
Not an answer.  You don't generally hide a predilection for pancakes, whereas the Stop the War group is funded greatly by folks whose main agenda has nothing to do with the war.  That wasn't a very good attempt at deflection, and I didn't categorize anyone except with respect to a hidden agenda anyway.
Some of them also like to sunbathe or visit museums. It's foolish to categorize people into one of two camps. The common practice of the Right to discuss, bash, trash, etc. so-called "Liberals" is a case in point. What the hell is a Liberal anyway? People have many varieties/combinations/permutations of beliefs. If I don't particularly believe in the efficacy of the death penalty, does that make me a Liberal?
Again, irrelevant.
It's an age-old tactic to create a "bogeyman" a la Goldstein in Orwell's '1984'. In the 21st century in the US, it's the "Liberals" who are the bogeyman.
In your case, a Straw man huh?
The Windmeister

Stephen Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.net> wrote:
Actually it becomes incumbent upon people who take on the "anti-war" mantle
to accurately identify their political affiliation(s) so that the public -
the people they're trying to win over to their argument - will know what the
agenda really is. Of course quite a few so-called "anti-war" types are
quite often something more - "anti-democracy", or "anti-capitalism",
"leftist", "socialist", communist", or plain old "anti-Republican". Funny
how this is rarely done. What do such folks have to hide, and why? Is it
because their actual agenda is known to turn off people who would otherwise
be hoodwinked effectively into supporting something which, if they really
thought about it, may be repugnant to them? I've found a disturbing
tendency on the part of protest movements in the past 15 years or so to be
less concerned with whether they're VIEWED as "right" than whether they're
actually "right" or not. For me Political Correctness (spawned during a
particular non-Republican's term) is nothing more than the outgrowth of
someone else's inane need to oppress others through imitation
intellectualism and cooked numbers. Individuals of all kinds and colors
tend to rebel against this when they know what it actually is, which is most
likely why some items are often blurred a bit or put under a banner
presenting something "more palatable" and therefore easier to SELL.

Alas, honesty is still the best policy, and not just for "someone else". I
suppose I'm some kind of "bigot" for expressing this opinion. Beware
however - expressing an individual opinion is usually averse to the
interests of the Left, or for that matter cults like Scientology.

I was asked to play a London event in 2002 that was initially described to
me as a "gathering of like-minded people", then it was said to me that it
was "in the interest of peace", and finally described to me as an "anti-Bush
rally". I persist in the belief that politics should be peoples' own
business, and I don't care for GroupThink either. If this makes me a
conservative, then I guess I'm one of those, but not in all manners. I also
make it a point not to adhere to stereotypes, or other pre-constructed
expectations. I suppose doing so could make me a "contrarian", or perhaps
just a non-conformist. I prefer the latter.

It's a good thing that in San Francisco (and the rest of the United States
of America) you can't be imprisoned without trial and put to death just for
expressing an opinion that opposes some Ayatollah's Fundamentalist Regime.
No, Pat Robertson doesn't even come close.

Stephen Goodman
* Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff
* http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack
* http://www.medialinenews.com


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Shirkey"
To:
Sent: Friday, 09 September, 2005 06:05 AM
Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco


>
> On Sep 9, 2005, at 12:03 AM, Larry wrote:
>
>> You're dead-on, Matthew: this anti-war stuff is the typical, knee-jerk
>> response of far-left-wing America-haters.
>
> And thanks for your own knee-jerk response that does nothing more than
> stereotype all anti-war sentiments as the "knee jerk responses of
> far-left-wing America-haters." Yep, I'm glad you took the time to think
> that one through. Personally, I prefer the anti-war sentiments to the
> pro-war ones. Call me "crazy"--or "left-wing," or "anti- American,"
> or...(fill in the blank with your preferred stereotype of the moment).
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1820009220-1126309627=:82666-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 10 00:06:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 366A03BEE1; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 00:06:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001a01c5b59b$74fa0d70$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20050909234707.85621.qmail@web50813.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 01:06:11 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C5B5A3.D5861C80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 00:06:17 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C5B5A3.D5861C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable << And Harvard, Oxford, Brandeis - or for that matter the = speciously-named "Citizens for the American Way >> A bogus comeback and you know it. In whose interpretation? Again, it seems very important to you to not = only express your opinion, but drive it into other peoples' heads as = well. This is one of the characteristics of insecurity of belief. Like = some evangelicals to an extent, actually. You brainwashed Rightwingers just can't face the reality of the = reality you're living in. And only you can define what that is for us, is that right? No matter how goddamn awful the Bush administration performs, you = Righties cast your eyes away and make excuses. That's an echo of the years 1992-2000. Of course Bubba was a great = president! Say it enough but it won't become true. AND YET, when a Democrat was leading this country (very well, I may = say) That was predictable, though misguided. , you nitpicked on ever little m*otherf*cking thing. Or did you blank = those moments out? Rwanda and the rest of every 'military' action between 1992-2000? The = under-the-table deals with the Chinese? The stalking of critics? The = secret deal with the IRS giving Scientology tax-exempt "religion" = status? The dubious death of staff? No, don't think I'll ever forget = that. Stephen Goodman wrote: ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Wind Stick Devil=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, 09 September, 2005 15:08 PM Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco Hahahahahahahaha.... << hidden agendas >> Look at the Right. All those bogus "think-tanks", i.e. Heritage = Foundation. These buzzards, and those like them, have been co-opting the = ability of Americans to think for many years. Finally, the Left has = woken up will begin funding their own "think tanks" to counter the years = of propaganda spewed by the Right. And Harvard, Oxford, Brandeis - or for that matter the = speciously-named "Citizens for the American Way" - haven't just popped = up overnight, have they? The Left maintains their own dream and wishes = to enforce it, so how's that different to what you're going after? How does anyone know YOU know what the hell you're talking about = when you characterize these organizations? I already heard nonsensical = stuff coming from the Right that, for example, the MoveOn.org is a = Communist organization. Ah, but when I express my opinion I don't think everyone should = share it. As far as moveon.org goes, they're a group of people = previously hypnotised by Al "Pay Me" Gore, who just can't get with the = fact that it's 2005, and can't do what their domain name pretends it = wants to do, while spamming with a nearly evangelistic ferocity.=20 Stephen Goodman wrote: ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Wind Stick Devil=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, 09 September, 2005 13:42 PM Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco << Of course quite a few so-called "anti-war" types are=20 quite often something more - "anti-democracy", or = "anti-capitalism",=20 "leftist", "socialist", communist", or plain old = "anti-Republican". >> And some of them like blueberry pancakes. Not an answer. You don't generally hide a predilection for = pancakes, whereas the Stop the War group is funded greatly by folks = whose main agenda has nothing to do with the war. That wasn't a very = good attempt at deflection, and I didn't categorize anyone except with = respect to a hidden agenda anyway. Some of them also like to sunbathe or visit museums. It's = foolish to categorize people into one of two camps. The common practice = of the Right to discuss, bash, trash, etc. so-called "Liberals" is a = case in point. What the hell is a Liberal anyway? People have many = varieties/combinations/permutations of beliefs. If I don't particularly = believe in the efficacy of the death penalty, does that make me a = Liberal? Again, irrelevant. It's an age-old tactic to create a "bogeyman" a la Goldstein = in Orwell's '1984'. In the 21st century in the US, it's the "Liberals" = who are the bogeyman.=20 In your case, a Straw man huh? The Windmeister Stephen Goodman wrote: Actually it becomes incumbent upon people who take on the = "anti-war" mantle=20 to accurately identify their political affiliation(s) so = that the public -=20 the people they're trying to win over to their argument - = will know what the=20 agenda really is. Of course quite a few so-called "anti-war" = types are=20 quite often something more - "anti-democracy", or = "anti-capitalism",=20 "leftist", "socialist", communist", or plain old = "anti-Republican". Funny=20 how this is rarely done. What do such folks have to hide, = and why? Is it=20 because their actual agenda is known to turn off people who = would otherwise=20 be hoodwinked effectively into supporting something which, = if they really=20 thought about it, may be repugnant to them? I've found a = disturbing=20 tendency on the part of protest movements in the past 15 = years or so to be=20 less concerned with whether they're VIEWED as "right" than = whether they're=20 actually "right" or not. For me Political Correctness = (spawned during a=20 particular non-Republican's term) is nothing more than the = outgrowth of=20 someone else's inane need to oppress others through = imitation=20 intellectualism and cooked numbers. Individuals of all kinds = and colors=20 tend to rebel against this when they know what it actually = is, which is most=20 likely why some items are often blurred a bit or put under a = banner=20 presenting something "more palatable" and therefore easier = to SELL. Alas, honesty is still the best policy, and not just for = "someone else". I=20 suppose I'm some kind of "bigot" for expressing this = opinion. Beware=20 however - expressing an individual opinion is usually averse = to the=20 interests of the Left, or for that matter cults like = Scientology. I was asked to play a London event in 2002 that was = initially described to=20 me as a "gathering of like-minded people", then it was said = to me that it=20 was "in the interest of peace", and finally described to me = as an "anti-Bush=20 rally". I persist in the belief that politics should be = peoples' own=20 business, and I don't care for GroupThink either. If this = makes me a=20 conservative, then I guess I'm one of those, but not in all = manners. I also=20 make it a point not to adhere to stereotypes, or other = pre-constructed=20 expectations. I suppose doing so could make me a = "contrarian", or perhaps=20 just a non-conformist. I prefer the latter. It's a good thing that in San Francisco (and the rest of the = United States=20 of America) you can't be imprisoned without trial and put to = death just for=20 expressing an opinion that opposes some Ayatollah's = Fundamentalist Regime.=20 No, Pat Robertson doesn't even come close. Stephen Goodman * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * http://www.medialinenews.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Jeff Shirkey"=20 To:=20 Sent: Friday, 09 September, 2005 06:05 AM Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco > > On Sep 9, 2005, at 12:03 AM, Larry wrote: > >> You're dead-on, Matthew: this anti-war stuff is the = typical, knee-jerk >> response of far-left-wing America-haters. > > And thanks for your own knee-jerk response that does = nothing more than=20 > stereotype all anti-war sentiments as the "knee jerk = responses of=20 > far-left-wing America-haters." Yep, I'm glad you took the = time to think=20 > that one through. Personally, I prefer the anti-war = sentiments to the=20 > pro-war ones. Call me "crazy"--or "left-wing," or "anti- = American,"=20 > or...(fill in the blank with your preferred stereotype of = the moment). > > Jeff > > > > > > >=20 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around = http://mail.yahoo.com=20 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C5B5A3.D5861C80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 
 
<< And Harvard, Oxford, Brandeis - or for that matter the=20 speciously-named "Citizens for the American Way >>
 
A bogus comeback and you know it.
In whose interpretation?  Again, it = seems very=20 important to you to not only express your opinion, but drive it into = other=20 peoples' heads as well.  This is one of the characteristics of = insecurity=20 of belief.  Like some evangelicals to an extent, = actually.
You brainwashed Rightwingers just can't face the reality of the = reality=20 you're living in.
And only you can define what that is for us, is that = right?
No matter how goddamn awful the Bush administration performs, you = Righties cast your eyes away and make excuses.
That's an echo of the years 1992-2000.  Of course = Bubba was a=20 great president!  Say it enough but it won't become true.
AND YET, when a Democrat was leading this country (very well, I = may=20 say)
That was predictable, though misguided.
, you nitpicked on ever little m*otherf*cking thing. Or did you = blank=20 those moments out?
Rwanda and the rest of every 'military' action between=20 1992-2000?  The under-the-table deals with the Chinese?  The = stalking=20 of critics?  The secret deal with the IRS giving Scientology = tax-exempt=20 "religion" status?  The dubious death of staff?  No, don't = think I'll=20 ever forget that.

Stephen Goodman=20 <spgoodman@earthlight.net> wrote:
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Wind Stick=20 Devil
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, 09 September, = 2005=20 15:08 PM
Subject: Re: BEATS NOT = BOMBS in San=20 Francisco

Hahahahahahahaha....
 
<< hidden agendas >>
 
Look at the Right. All those bogus "think-tanks", i.e. = Heritage=20 Foundation. These buzzards, and those like them, have been = co-opting the=20 ability of Americans to think for many years. Finally, the Left = has woken=20 up will begin funding their own "think tanks" to counter the years = of=20 propaganda spewed by the Right.
And Harvard, Oxford, Brandeis - or for = that matter=20 the speciously-named "Citizens for the American Way" - haven't just = popped=20 up overnight, have they?  The Left maintains their own dream = and wishes=20 to enforce it, so how's that different to what you're going=20 after?
How does anyone know YOU know what the hell you're talking = about when=20 you characterize these organizations? I already heard nonsensical = stuff=20 coming from the Right that, for example, the MoveOn.org is a = Communist=20 organization.
Ah, but when I express my opinion I = don't think=20 everyone should share it.  As far as moveon.org=20 goes, they're a group of people previously hypnotised by Al "Pay Me" = Gore,=20 who just can't get with the fact that it's 2005, and can't do what = their=20 domain name pretends it wants to do, while spamming with a nearly=20 evangelistic ferocity.


Stephen Goodman=20 <spgoodman@earthlight.net> wrote:
 
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Wind=20 Stick Devil
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, 09 = September, 2005=20 13:42 PM
Subject: Re: BEATS NOT = BOMBS in=20 San Francisco

<< Of course quite a few so-called "anti-war" types = are=20
quite often something more - "anti-democracy", or=20 "anti-capitalism",
"leftist", "socialist", communist", or = plain=20 old "anti-Republican".  >>
 
And some of them like blueberry pancakes.
 
Not an answer.  You don't = generally hide=20 a predilection for pancakes, whereas the Stop the War group is = funded=20 greatly by folks whose main agenda has nothing to do with the = war. =20 That wasn't a very good attempt at deflection, and I didn't = categorize=20 anyone except with respect to a hidden agenda = anyway.
Some of them also like to sunbathe or visit museums. It's = foolish=20 to categorize people into one of two camps. The common = practice of the=20 Right to discuss, bash, trash, etc. so-called "Liberals" is a = case in=20 point. What the hell is a Liberal anyway? People have many=20 varieties/combinations/permutations of beliefs. If I don't=20 particularly believe in the efficacy of the death penalty, = does that=20 make me a Liberal?
Again, irrelevant.
It's an age-old tactic to create a "bogeyman" a la = Goldstein in=20 Orwell's '1984'. In the 21st century in the US, it's the = "Liberals"=20 who are the bogeyman.
In your case, a Straw man = huh?
The Windmeister

Stephen Goodman=20 <spgoodman@earthlight.net> wrote:
Actually=20 it becomes incumbent upon people who take on the "anti-war" = mantle=20
to accurately identify their political affiliation(s) so = that=20 the public -
the people they're trying to win over to = their=20 argument - will know what the
agenda really is. Of = course quite=20 a few so-called "anti-war" types are
quite often = something more=20 - "anti-democracy", or "anti-capitalism",
"leftist",=20 "socialist", communist", or plain old "anti-Republican". = Funny=20
how this is rarely done. What do such folks have to = hide, and=20 why? Is it
because their actual agenda is known to turn = off=20 people who would otherwise
be hoodwinked effectively = into=20 supporting something which, if they really
thought about = it, may=20 be repugnant to them? I've found a disturbing
tendency = on the=20 part of protest movements in the past 15 years or so to be =
less=20 concerned with whether they're VIEWED as "right" than = whether=20 they're
actually "right" or not. For me Political = Correctness=20 (spawned during a
particular non-Republican's term) is = nothing=20 more than the outgrowth of
someone else's inane need to = oppress=20 others through imitation
intellectualism and cooked = numbers.=20 Individuals of all kinds and colors
tend to rebel = against this=20 when they know what it actually is, which is most
likely = why=20 some items are often blurred a bit or put under a banner=20
presenting something "more palatable" and therefore = easier to=20 SELL.

Alas, honesty is still the best policy, and not = just=20 for "someone else". I
suppose I'm some kind of "bigot" = for=20 expressing this opinion. Beware
however - expressing an=20 individual opinion is usually averse to the
interests of = the=20 Left, or for that matter cults like Scientology.

I = was asked=20 to play a London event in 2002 that was initially described = to=20
me as a "gathering of like-minded people", then it was = said to=20 me that it
was "in the interest of peace", and finally = described=20 to me as an "anti-Bush
rally". I persist in the belief = that=20 politics should be peoples' own
business, and I don't = care for=20 GroupThink either. If this makes me a
conservative, then = I guess=20 I'm one of those, but not in all manners. I also
make it = a point=20 not to adhere to stereotypes, or other pre-constructed=20
expectations. I suppose doing so could make me a = "contrarian",=20 or perhaps
just a non-conformist. I prefer the=20 latter.

It's a good thing that in San Francisco (and = the rest=20 of the United States
of America) you can't be imprisoned = without=20 trial and put to death just for
expressing an opinion = that=20 opposes some Ayatollah's Fundamentalist Regime.
No, Pat=20 Robertson doesn't even come close.

Stephen = Goodman
*=20 Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff
*=20 http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack
*=20 http://www.medialinenews.com


----- Original = Message -----=20
From: "Jeff Shirkey" =
To:=20
Sent: Friday, 09 = September,=20 2005 06:05 AM
Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San=20 Francisco


>
> On Sep 9, 2005, at 12:03 = AM, Larry=20 wrote:
>
>> You're dead-on, Matthew: this = anti-war=20 stuff is the typical, knee-jerk
>> response of=20 far-left-wing America-haters.
>
> And thanks for = your=20 own knee-jerk response that does nothing more than
>=20 stereotype all anti-war sentiments as the "knee jerk = responses of=20
> far-left-wing America-haters." Yep, I'm glad you = took the=20 time to think
> that one through. Personally, I = prefer the=20 anti-war sentiments to the
> pro-war ones. Call me=20 "crazy"--or "left-wing," or "anti- American,"
> = or...(fill in=20 the blank with your preferred stereotype of the=20 moment).
>
>=20 Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
> =

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------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C5B5A3.D5861C80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 10 01:01:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDC133BED0; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 01:01:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43223193.3050103@josts.net> Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 18:06:27 -0700 From: geoffrey jost User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.5 (Windows/20050711) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco References: <20050909234707.85621.qmail@web50813.mail.yahoo.com> <001a01c5b59b$74fa0d70$0207a8c0@eluk1> In-Reply-To: <001a01c5b59b$74fa0d70$0207a8c0@eluk1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 01:01:19 +0000 (UTC) Stephen Goodman wrote: > Say it enough... okay... saying things over and over is ... a form of looping... right? looping is the thing we all have in common here, right? can we get back to talking about looping, please? there are lots of other places to go have mud-slinging contests. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 10 01:14:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 997A13BEE6; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 01:14:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <8092508.1126314855727.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 21:14:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 01:14:16 +0000 (UTC) With Geoffrey on this one. Though I find points of each of your arguments thought provoking, they appear to be somewhat far off topic. Have to listen to this kind of bickering constantly everywhere else in the world. Like to come to Loopers Delight and get back to being a guitar geek. Wouldn't other forums be somewhat more appropriate for the subject matter? Out of curiosity, do we actually have a moderator here and what is his/her role in the making of peace or managing said differences of opinion? Just curious. Try and play nice kids. The world's already frighteningly sh*tty. Todd -----Original Message----- From: geoffrey jost Sent: Sep 9, 2005 9:06 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco Stephen Goodman wrote: > Say it enough... okay... saying things over and over is ... a form of looping... right? looping is the thing we all have in common here, right? can we get back to talking about looping, please? there are lots of other places to go have mud-slinging contests. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 10 01:35:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEFEA3BEDE; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 01:35:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 21:35:28 EDT Subject: he's back!!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_e4.708661ef.30539260_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: YES Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 01:35:31 +0000 (UTC) --part1_e4.708661ef.30539260_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit well.....this is the fourth e-mail that i wrote the group today, the first 3 did not go thru, talk about looping!.....so for the fourth time>.....flew in from zurich late wed. nite and boy are my arms tired, ba-boom!.....spent yesterday trying to get my feet on the ground and today reading some 300+ e-mails.....my eyes are melting and so is my mind.....:).....ZURICH, what a trip!.....seeing old friends and hopefully making new ones (bill walker was supposed to keep an eye on me so i wouldn't misbehave so blame it on him!).....:).....what a group of wonderful talented NICE people, each and everyone a joy!.....the music from andy to zorzi, overwhelming!.....images and memories of the past week keep fliting thru my mind and i can only smile.....all i can say is THANK YOU ONE AND ALL.....as for HERR BERNARD.....hmmmmm.....i said it before "YOU ARE MY HERO".....what a magnificent effort!.....thank you a million times over B-MAN! p.s. song titles for "EURODISX" will be up at my hot new website sometime soon, SO STAY TUNED!.....it's the least i can do for a 150 frac cd! --part1_e4.708661ef.30539260_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable well.....this is the fourth e-mail that= i wrote the group today, the first 3 did not go thru, talk about looping!..= ...so for the fourth time>.....flew in from zurich late wed. nite and boy= are my arms tired, ba-boom!.....spent yesterday trying to get my feet on th= e ground and today reading some 300+ e-mails.....my eyes are melting and so=20= is my mind.....:).....ZURICH, what a trip!.....seeing old friends and hopefu= lly making new ones (bill walker was supposed to keep an eye on me so i woul= dn't misbehave so blame it on him!).....:).....what a group of wonderful tal= ented NICE people, each and everyone a joy!.....the music from andy to zorzi= , overwhelming!.....images and memories of the past week keep fliting thru m= y mind and i can only smile.....all i can say is THANK YOU ONE AND ALL.....a= s for HERR BERNARD.....hmmmmm.....i said it before "YOU ARE MY HERO".....wha= t a magnificent effort!.....thank you a million times over B-MAN!
p.s. song titles for "EURODISX" will be up at my hot new website sometime so= on, SO STAY TUNED!.....it's the least i can do for a 150 frac cd!<= /HTML> --part1_e4.708661ef.30539260_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 10 01:40:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79AA33BEE2; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 01:40:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: No Moderator (was BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 18:40:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcW1pPiZxQIEDXgDTHGiXgZ+13ZeMgAAy6cg In-Reply-To: <8092508.1126314855727.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Message-Id: <20050910014047.IATZ8185.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 01:40:52 +0000 (UTC) -----Original Message----- From: Todd Howell [mailto:ransacker@earthlink.net] Out of curiosity, do we actually have a moderator here and what is his/her role in the making of peace or managing said differences of opinion? Just curious. --->Uh . . no . . . Kim says anything goes but be fair-- I have decided that everyone is right and yet no one agrees-- So just try to be kind . . . I for one appreciate the information. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 10 02:16:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0C243BED5; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 02:16:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Qei8z4KENBKRsGoQzNyQNcWldzxldvJSj9mHjUMqFwbrFMX8AcbsAoSmkqJUNmcUDRZgx6WsvMKiC3lliOeaqsgwdrwA0XTYlSZuG7hPruWIOhJ4iAgnxFZ5t0vH1fy3WLX8t7KumCGseAN+t5fbIdL3+iupX7a+8uivqlthvuc= ; Message-ID: <20050910021643.57217.qmail@web54613.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 19:16:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Joshua Fuller Subject: Re: powered near-field monitors? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050907205949.53736.qmail@web41002.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 02:16:45 +0000 (UTC) I have been using the Event Bas 20/20's for a few years. They are great, and I never really need anymore bass. The cross-over is great, and the 8" driver provides enough bass without a sub. --- S V G wrote: > > The Mackie sub that goes with the HR824's costs > around $1200. I added the Blue Sky sub to my > HR824's and am very happy with the sound for $400. > Still I wonder what the extra $800 would have > bought me... > > Stephen > > Mark wrote: > I'm a fan of the Mackie HR824s. Listened to a bunch > in that price range and found them to be a good > value. > I'm often amazed at how nice and accurate the bass > is > without ever getting flubby. High end is sweet but > never shrill. I keep thinking I'd supplement it > with > the matching subwoofer, but never get around to it > as > they seem to sound great out of the box. > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief > effort. > http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ > > ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 10 02:21:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C121A3BEDD; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 02:21:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tOzLRmHKXAYsd7xvSej51nHiutDFz6SxiQJLi5amlCuiCg3fVWV92X/kdFF/HPpJm89/fgM5uLwMLmTKbA0T7gr7ti11yVFH1mSYH67Pox98WXIsFkhQUyT2yAQRlnGFlRxfgcviyEij5PXByW1BxUaFbnt919SqjVivLGKs9po= ; Message-ID: <20050910022146.57912.qmail@web54613.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 19:21:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Joshua Fuller Subject: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <04154c20de11606ab5b1a2b6984b4ed9@bartholomusic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 02:21:46 +0000 (UTC) I am having problems with my original Echoplex foot pedal, and I am considering getting the FCB1010. My only concern is reliabity and response in trigger time. Since the FCB footswitch is triggering via midi, I would assume it is slower than the original EDP voltage controlled foot controller. Has anyone compared the 2? And- how is the feel, and reliability of the FCB1010? Is it a good replacement for what I currently have? Thanks for all of your input, Josh ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 10 03:18:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD9D13BED6; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 03:18:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002501c5b5b6$64f1f120$6401a8c0@BESPC1> From: "Barry Silverman" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 20:19:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01C5B57B.B780E5D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 03:18:23 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C5B57B.B780E5D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C5B57B.B780E5D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C5B57B.B780E5D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 10 03:35:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A88A3BEDB; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 03:35:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 23:37:42 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Barry Silverman Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <002501c5b5b6$64f1f120$6401a8c0@BESPC1> Message-ID: References: <002501c5b5b6$64f1f120$6401a8c0@BESPC1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 03:35:40 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, 9 Sep 2005, Barry Silverman wrote: > unsubscribe This is getting loopy. How aporopos. From http://www.loopers-delight.com/list/LoopList.html "To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your unsubscribe request to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com Don't send your unsubscribe message to the list, or people will make fun of you and you will feel like a dork." best, Steve B Phasmatodea http;//www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ Fukadugalon, Audio Arcade, etc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 10 03:42:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 669033BEDB; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 03:42:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YSUZQElu+5u5RF/0JbCfDiGf3vfignMkXmHDRf9D4yOl9Ed9cmFBl3beuOS8oDqlBP7O6OEn/Pvux6JlBlfh2zHjWj7zV1oCu9vpZUEaOR1sKZE+uTUcId7j2wIVaTiAYD9Yv5O8aiFS1flcbztrbznXuufj4OnfOKI7f39lMcI= Message-ID: <588ce11d05090920422a8898b7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 20:42:41 -0700 From: Art Simon Reply-To: simart@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? In-Reply-To: <20050910022146.57912.qmail@web54613.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <04154c20de11606ab5b1a2b6984b4ed9@bartholomusic.com> <20050910022146.57912.qmail@web54613.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 03:42:42 +0000 (UTC) I briefly messed around with my FCB1010 and echoplex before I sold the echoplex. I didn't notice any difference in response time, but I didn't enjoy programming the FCB1010. Since then I've discovered the FCB1010 editor (http://www.mtnsys.com/faq-fcb/PCEditor.htm) which makes life with the FCB1010 much more pleasant. My guess is that you will find the FCB1010 a better controller, once you get it set up. On 9/9/05, Joshua Fuller wrote: > I am having problems with my original Echoplex foot > pedal, and I am considering getting the FCB1010. My > only concern is reliabity and response in trigger > time. Since the FCB footswitch is triggering via midi, > I would assume it is slower than the original EDP > voltage controlled foot controller. Has anyone > compared the 2? >=20 > And- how is the feel, and reliability of the FCB1010? > Is it a good replacement for what I currently have? >=20 > Thanks for all of your input, > Josh >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ______________________________________________________ > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ >=20 >=20 --=20 Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 10 06:40:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE66F3BEE2; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 06:40:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009601c5b5d2$7c7cf210$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Y2K5 Intrntl Live Looping Fest: October 5th-10th Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 23:40:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 06:40:11 +0000 (UTC) Put this on your calendars all you loopers in Northern California. The Y2K5 International Live Looping Festival will be occur from October 5th through October 10th with over 40 artists performing from 6 countries in 5 performances in 3 cities October 5th, Wednesday Best of Y2K5: Henry Miller Library, Big Sur October 6th, Thursday Experimental Guitar: Y2K5 the Luggage Store, San Francisco October 7th, Friday Best of Y2K5: the Drum Machine Museum, San Franscisco THE MAIN FESTIVAL October 8th, Saturday E3 Playhouse, Santa Cruz, California October 9th, Sunday E3 Playhouse, Santa Cruz, California The Annual Y2K5 Loopers Brunch October 10th, Monday 1:00 p.m. tentatively: E3 Playhouse (backup: the Catalyst) Santa Cruz The Y2K5 After Party October 10th Monday 9:30---till you drop Santa Cruz's premier goth club The BOX black attire suggested but not mandatory Details can be seen at http://loopfestival.com/y2k5 The website that has been graciously donated and maintained by Bernhard Wagner (the mastermind behind the wonderful Zurich Live Looping Festival this past month). Bernhard, I have to say, is having a banner month. He is a headliner for this years' Y2K5 Festival; he just produced the best live looping festival I've ever seen and he has a beautiful new debut live looping solo CD out. I will write a full review of this wonderful record as soon as I am able to breathe after Y2K5, but it's a goody. Suffice it to say that you should buy one from him while he is in America (and the shipping charges are low.............lol) A quick note to all Performing Artists: 1) Please go to the website site and see if there is any information that you can fill in or correct and e-mail me immediately so I can change it. It would be great to have current e-mails and URLs for your music for every artist. Just put the bold letters WEBSITE INFO: Y2K5 (YOUR NAME) in the subject header of our email to me and mail it to rickwalker@looppool.info . This way I can collate the information and update the website very quickly. Thanks a lot!!!! 2) I will be posting set orders of all the concerts within two weeks of today. The reason I will wait that long is because I have a couple of big acts that I am still waiting on final confirmation from, so I don't want to do all the work to plan it and then have to do it all over again. Thanks for bearing with me 3) In two weeks time I will write a very definitive set of instructions about what we'll all need to do in order to make such a garngantuan performance come off professionally )load in, performance and sound check information, et. al.) 4) Also, PLEASE DO NOT flood me with questions about the festival until you get that email. The amount of email I am sending and recieving between venues, transportation providers, accomodation providers, foreign artists is just completely overwhelming. LOL, the less stressed I am, the better the festival will be......................why? Because I"m a stress puppy for sure! Don't worry. Everything will be done in a way that benefits all and I won't forget anything, I promise. Thanks a lot!!!! Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 10 08:48:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08E583BEE9; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 08:48:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <20050910022146.57912.qmail@web54613.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050910022146.57912.qmail@web54613.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <44193695-4EBF-4FA0-93DC-2E17C01DA0EA@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 10:48:11 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 08:48:14 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 10, 2005, at 4:21, Joshua Fuller wrote: > I am having problems with my original Echoplex foot > pedal, and I am considering getting the FCB1010. My > only concern is reliabity and response in trigger > time. Since the FCB footswitch is triggering via midi, > I would assume it is slower than the original EDP > voltage controlled foot controller. Has anyone > compared the 2? Yes. I can not notice any difference in speed. I had both controllers for a while but then sold the original to go with the FCB only. > And- how is the feel, and reliability of the FCB1010? Good, as my FCB goes. Have had it for three years now with no problems. But I have be calibrating the expression pedals a couple of times. > Is it a good replacement for what I currently have? Yes. It can also be a much sharper tool if take interest in exploring the options offered by LOOP4. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 10 12:05:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF83F3BEEE; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:05:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20050909110858.02d8cca0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> References: <20050909081815.9FC3D3BEDF@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20050909110858.02d8cca0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--129640313 Message-Id: From: Simon Le Geyt Subject: Re: Tim's footswitch was Re: lexicon boxes (vortex for $5) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 13:05:31 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:05:42 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--129640313 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed This 4 switch pedal looks useful for Vortex owners: http://search.ebay.com/7349339344 Simon On 9 Sep 2005, at 11:12, a k butler wrote: > At 09:18 09/09/05, you wrote: >> Hi Andy: >> >> I luv my Vortex but it has a small glitch that I was wondering if I >> could >> ask you about: when I use the original 2-button footswitch to take it >> in >> and out of bypass, it sometimes takes 2 pushes, like it's thinking >> about >> it. >> All else is great, as the unit was gently used by its previous owner. >> Any ideas? > > I'd open up the footswitch, check everything is correctly assembled, > and spray the switches. > > Those switches can double trigger, > but after cleaning and regular use they get better. > > andy > www.andybutler.com for vortex info, mp3s, and livelooping cd > > > >> Cheerios, >> TimMungenast > --Apple-Mail-2--129640313 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII This 4 switch pedal looks useful for Vortex owners: http://search.ebay.com/7349339344 Simon On 9 Sep 2005, at 11:12, a k butler wrote: At 09:18 09/09/05, you wrote: Hi Andy: I luv my Vortex but it has a small glitch that I was wondering if I could ask you about: when I use the original 2-button footswitch to take it in and out of bypass, it sometimes takes 2 pushes, like it's thinking about it. All else is great, as the unit was gently used by its previous owner. Any ideas? I'd open up the footswitch, check everything is correctly assembled, and spray the switches. Those switches can double trigger, but after cleaning and regular use they get better. andy www.andybutler.com for vortex info, mp3s, and livelooping cd Cheerios, TimMungenast --Apple-Mail-2--129640313-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 10 12:31:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 772FD3BEE8; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:31:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=a8pefNkZVz4MfW4VbMZRDnco38FAykX8suTyDnND/hihuRs4tnpzAb6lxSY/FizrD9rSw8pXdCshy40u2hlQG83/pGSMENk+p6FhCbRKmRj0skOwUxPGXS7Ny6eGMmaU/9K8HhsdfZVrMNUPBGdJeCZXJXH+OYw90uFaKXI4Qw4= ; Message-ID: <20050910123113.47332.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 05:31:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: T.C. G-system To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:31:15 +0000 (UTC) Is aybody using this yet? http://www.tcelectronic.com/G-System seems awesome specially its switching system and being able to take out its compete internal DSP processor and putting it into a rack! guess what the only drawback is? 1400.00dlls;-( Luis www.luis-angulo.com ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 10 15:07:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 165253BEE6; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:07:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 17:11:53 +0200 Subject: Re: T.C. G-system From: Andreas Willers To: LD to post Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050910123113.47332.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:07:35 +0000 (UTC) Also I guess they made the same problematic decisison as in the G-Force and G-Major Multieffects that in order to achieve a good wealth of routing options they ruled out one of the most important ones: the option of routing the analog (guitar) signal through untouched whith just some "add-on" effects like reverb and delay (you can't do that with distortion, filters and compression of course). So your signal is always (even when no effect is added) undergoing an A/D and D/A conversion. NO good idea IMO...... > Von: "L. Angulo" > Antworten an: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Datum: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 05:31:13 -0700 (PDT) > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: T.C. G-system > Neu gesendet von: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Neu gesendet am: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:31:14 +0000 (UTC) > > Is aybody using this yet? > http://www.tcelectronic.com/G-System > seems awesome specially its switching system and being > able to take out its compete internal DSP processor > and putting it into a rack! > guess what the only drawback is? > 1400.00dlls;-( > Luis > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 10 15:34:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3650F3BEE6; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:34:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nanefyP36n9qMNRN9XeGJWaD/q6TR8VYONBVf3q9tAurIyVSx9GL1opJUAZDr7seSazMIPLm3q4nXDMnJpXoXmMEh8rLjJri6bsiCzoVCAG71qVosp5XJnCFPcNEK0TY5BECy3a/1G9bTZASsduWDPK9CCoN6aOH7+LtZ9q0gaY= ; Message-ID: <20050910153440.76515.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 08:34:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: T.C. G-system To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:34:43 +0000 (UTC) Hi Andreas, Is there a multiefx at all that doesnt go through a damn A/D converter? I just played a rock n roll gig recently which required only a guitar and amp,so it was a little marshall amp and a les paul, for a bit of boost i just used its dedicated foot switch and man did it feel and sound good to play like that!I havent been motivated lately to play through so much digital stuff lately,could it be that i am looping backwards? Luis --- Andreas Willers wrote: > Also I guess they made the same problematic > decisison as in the G-Force and > G-Major Multieffects that in order to achieve a good > wealth of routing > options they ruled out one of the most important > ones: the option of routing > the analog (guitar) signal through untouched whith > just some "add-on" > effects like reverb and delay (you can't do that > with distortion, filters > and compression of course). So your signal is always > (even when no effect is > added) undergoing an A/D and D/A conversion. NO good > idea IMO...... > > > > > Von: "L. Angulo" > > Antworten an: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Datum: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 05:31:13 -0700 (PDT) > > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Betreff: T.C. G-system > > Neu gesendet von: > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Neu gesendet am: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:31:14 +0000 > (UTC) > > > > Is aybody using this yet? > > http://www.tcelectronic.com/G-System > > seems awesome specially its switching system and > being > > able to take out its compete internal DSP > processor > > and putting it into a rack! > > guess what the only drawback is? > > 1400.00dlls;-( > > Luis > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina > relief effort. > > http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 10 15:38:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6AF33BEE4; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:38:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated-Name: TuleRiver X-Transit-System: In case of SPAM please contact abuse@dnsmadeeasy.com From: "CM" To: Subject: locking sustain pedal Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 08:37:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01C5B5E2.E2EAEB50" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcW2HYOxvMbfLnTyRs6A39VfX50frA== Message-Id: <20050910153820.9B8D28B15C@smtp1.dnsmadeeasy.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2zcaC.A.OGF.u3vIDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:38:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C5B5E2.E2EAEB50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've asked this before, and don't think anyone replied, but now amidst all the political smoke, I think we may have some fresh motivation... : ) I use a Ableton Live + Electrix Repeeter setup. Amidst the looping, I often set my synth (a Roland XP-30) into midi-sync'd arpeggiations, which I can use the sustain pedal to continue while I play something else (piano, trumpet, voice, whatever). I'd like to be able to easily "lock" that sustain pedal to free up my foot for other things. I'm sure I can hot-wire my existing pedal (standard square sustain pedal) w/a toggle switch -- which I still for some reason havn't gotten around to -- but if I can buy one ready-made, I'm inclined to do that. Does anyone make such a beast? thx Cass ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C5B5E2.E2EAEB50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've = asked this=20 before, and don't think anyone replied, but now amidst all the political = smoke,=20 I think we may have some fresh motivation... : )   =20
 
I use = a Ableton Live=20 + Electrix Repeeter setup.  Amidst the looping, I often set my = synth (a=20 Roland XP-30) into midi-sync'd arpeggiations, which I can use the = sustain pedal=20 to continue while I play something else (piano, trumpet, voice, = whatever). =20
 
I'd = like to be able=20 to easily "lock" that sustain pedal to free up my foot for other = things. =20 I'm sure I can hot-wire my existing pedal (standard square sustain = pedal) w/a=20 toggle switch -- which I still for some reason havn't gotten around to = -- but if=20 I can buy one ready-made, I'm inclined to do that.  Does anyone = make such a=20 beast?
 
thx
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------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C5B5E2.E2EAEB50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 10 15:45:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B18323BEDE; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:45:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: damn A/D converter (was RE: T.C. G-system) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 08:45:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <20050910153440.76515.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcW2HSrmTw3E8wUfTOmL5jGj4he7OAAATagA Message-Id: <20050910154533.RDJC3414.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:45:39 +0000 (UTC) -->I think the Lexicon MPX-G2 isn't going thru an A/D converter-- It sure feels that way . . . Gary -----Original Message----- From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Hi Andreas, Is there a multiefx at all that doesnt go through a damn A/D converter? I just played a rock n roll gig recently which required only a guitar and amp,so it was a little marshall amp and a les paul, for a bit of boost i just used its dedicated foot switch and man did it feel and sound good to play like that!I havent been motivated lately to play through so much digital stuff lately,could it be that i am looping backwards? Luis --- Andreas Willers wrote: > Also I guess they made the same problematic > decisison as in the G-Force and > G-Major Multieffects that in order to achieve a good > wealth of routing > options they ruled out one of the most important > ones: the option of routing > the analog (guitar) signal through untouched whith > just some "add-on" > effects like reverb and delay (you can't do that > with distortion, filters > and compression of course). So your signal is always > (even when no effect is > added) undergoing an A/D and D/A conversion. NO good > idea IMO...... > > > > > Von: "L. Angulo" > > Antworten an: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Datum: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 05:31:13 -0700 (PDT) > > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Betreff: T.C. G-system > > Neu gesendet von: > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Neu gesendet am: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:31:14 +0000 > (UTC) > > > > Is aybody using this yet? > > http://www.tcelectronic.com/G-System > > seems awesome specially its switching system and > being > > able to take out its compete internal DSP > processor > > and putting it into a rack! > > guess what the only drawback is? > > 1400.00dlls;-( > > Luis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 10 15:46:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3523E3BEE6; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:46:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: T.C. G-system Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 17:46:13 +0200 Message-ID: <000e01c5b61e$c95dd0d0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <20050910153440.76515.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: <84SCz.A.waF.T_vIDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:46:28 +0000 (UTC) Hi Luis Do you get my emails? Sorry for being OT. Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Samstag, 10. September 2005 17:35 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: T.C. G-system > > Hi Andreas, > Is there a multiefx at all that doesnt go through a > damn A/D converter? > I just played a rock n roll gig recently which > required only a guitar and amp,so it was a little > marshall amp and a les paul, for a bit of boost i just > used its dedicated foot switch and man did it feel and > sound good to play like that!I havent been motivated > lately to play through so much digital stuff > lately,could it be that i am looping backwards? > Luis > > > --- Andreas Willers wrote: > > > Also I guess they made the same problematic > > decisison as in the G-Force and > > G-Major Multieffects that in order to achieve a good > > wealth of routing > > options they ruled out one of the most important > > ones: the option of routing > > the analog (guitar) signal through untouched whith > > just some "add-on" > > effects like reverb and delay (you can't do that > > with distortion, filters > > and compression of course). So your signal is always > > (even when no effect is > > added) undergoing an A/D and D/A conversion. NO good > > idea IMO...... > > > > > > > > > Von: "L. Angulo" > > > Antworten an: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Datum: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 05:31:13 -0700 (PDT) > > > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Betreff: T.C. G-system > > > Neu gesendet von: > > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Neu gesendet am: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:31:14 +0000 > > (UTC) > > > > > > Is aybody using this yet? > > > http://www.tcelectronic.com/G-System > > > seems awesome specially its switching system and > > being > > > able to take out its compete internal DSP > > processor > > > and putting it into a rack! > > > guess what the only drawback is? > > > 1400.00dlls;-( > > > Luis > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina > > relief effort. > > > http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ > > > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 10 15:53:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 181A03BEDE; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:53:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "muman" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 08:53:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: T.C. G-system Message-ID: <43229EFD.2026.19425D12@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20050910153440.76515.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:53:29 +0000 (UTC) Luis, I just went through a similar experience. I played my Chapman Stick through a Mesa stack with none of my digital processing and loved it. I'm now exploring analog stomp boxes: current production, current production that has been modified, vintage, and DIY. They are a little noisy, but the technology has vastly improved, especially with the modded units and the DIY units. > Hi Andreas, > Is there a multiefx at all that doesnt go through a > damn A/D converter? > I just played a rock n roll gig recently which > required only a guitar and amp,so it was a little > marshall amp and a les paul, for a bit of boost i just > used its dedicated foot switch and man did it feel and > sound good to play like that!I havent been motivated > lately to play through so much digital stuff > lately,could it be that i am looping backwards? > Luis > > > --- Andreas Willers wrote: > > > Also I guess they made the same problematic > > decisison as in the G-Force and > > G-Major Multieffects that in order to achieve a good > > wealth of routing > > options they ruled out one of the most important > > ones: the option of routing > > the analog (guitar) signal through untouched whith > > just some "add-on" > > effects like reverb and delay (you can't do that > > with distortion, filters > > and compression of course). So your signal is always > > (even when no effect is > > added) undergoing an A/D and D/A conversion. NO good > > idea IMO...... > > > > > > > > > Von: "L. Angulo" > > > Antworten an: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Datum: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 05:31:13 -0700 (PDT) > > > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Betreff: T.C. G-system > > > Neu gesendet von: > > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > Neu gesendet am: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:31:14 +0000 > > (UTC) > > > > > > Is aybody using this yet? > > > http://www.tcelectronic.com/G-System > > > seems awesome specially its switching system and > > being > > > able to take out its compete internal DSP > > processor > > > and putting it into a rack! > > > guess what the only drawback is? > > > 1400.00dlls;-( > > > Luis > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina > > relief effort. > > > http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ > > > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 10 15:54:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCD313BEE1; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:54:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: <1d6.448f50b8.30545bae@aol.com> Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 11:54:22 EDT Subject: zurich photos To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1d6.448f50b8.30545bae_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <63bZW.A.LgG.zGwIDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:54:27 +0000 (UTC) --part1_1d6.448f50b8.30545bae_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i know about michael peters' site but where are the rest of the fest and MATHON potos being posted?.....just heard from ROLF and THOMAS about posting their photos and i directed them to m.p's site.....thanks michael, i love the slide show feature of the fliker site.....m --part1_1d6.448f50b8.30545bae_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i know about michael peters' site but w= here are the rest of the fest and MATHON potos being posted?.....just heard=20= from ROLF and THOMAS about posting their photos and i directed them to m.p's= site.....thanks michael, i love the slide show feature of the fliker site..= ...m
 --part1_1d6.448f50b8.30545bae_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 10 16:00:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EF9D3BEE4; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 16:00:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Y2K5 Intrntl Live Looping Fest: October 5th-10th Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:00:04 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <009601c5b5d2$7c7cf210$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Sat, 10 Sep 2005 17:52:44 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.115.130 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 16:00:20 +0000 (UTC) wow, what a line-up! wish I could be there -michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 10 16:04:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38A5F3BEF3; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 16:04:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: Subject: RE: locking sustain pedal Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:05:07 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000601c5b621$69c102c0$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 In-Reply-To: <20050910153820.9B8D28B15C@smtp1.dnsmadeeasy.com> Resent-Message-ID: <53OxeD.A.IQ.5PwIDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 16:04:10 +0000 (UTC) I use a Ableton Live + Electrix Repeeter setup. Amidst the looping, I often set my synth (a Roland XP-30) into midi-sync'd arpeggiations, which I can use the sustain pedal to continue while I play something else (piano, trumpet, voice, whatever). I'd like to be able to easily "lock" that sustain pedal to free up my foot for other things. I'm sure I can hot-wire my existing pedal (standard square sustain pedal) w/a toggle switch -- which I still for some reason havn't gotten around to -- but if I can buy one ready-made, I'm inclined to do that. Does anyone make such a beast? thx Cass ---------- I use an XP-60 and also like to lock-on the arpeggiator or various ambient patches I create. I've never seen a locking sustain pedal for sale and modified my Ensoniq double pedal with a small toggle which I can nudge on and off with my foot. It works great and is worth the effort. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 10 16:40:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BA173BEE8; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 16:40:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: locking sustain pedal Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:41:47 +0200 Message-ID: <000c01c5b626$89f9f740$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 16:40:31 +0000 (UTC) I might fail to grasp what you're exactly trying to do, so I summarize. You want a pedal which works: Step on it and release: switched on (like a sustain pedal held down) step on it and relese a second time: switched off (like a sustain pedal not held down) The sustain pedal type ist called "momentary foot switch", among these are the sustain pedals. The other type is called "latching foot switch" or "on/off pedal". Boss calls these e.g. FS-5U (for the momentary) or FS-5L (for the latching one). You should be able to get those from about any company which makes foot-operated thingies at all. (Note that these latching switches don't have a polarity switch, because it's either on the first time you step on it or the second one). Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Scott M2 [mailto:scott@dreamstate.to]=20 Gesendet: Samstag, 10. September 2005 18:05 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: RE: locking sustain pedal I use a Ableton Live + Electrix Repeeter setup. Amidst the looping, I often set my synth (a Roland XP-30) into midi-sync'd arpeggiations, which I can use the sustain pedal to continue while I play something else (piano, trumpet, voice, whatever). =20 I'd like to be able to easily "lock" that sustain pedal to free up my foot for other things. I'm sure I can hot-wire my existing pedal (standard square sustain pedal) w/a toggle switch -- which I still for some reason havn't gotten around to -- but if I can buy one ready-made, I'm inclined to do that. Does anyone make such a beast? thx Cass=20 ---------- I use an XP-60 and also like to lock-on the arpeggiator or various ambient patches I create. I've never seen a locking sustain pedal for sale and modified my Ensoniq double pedal with a small toggle which I can nudge on and off with my foot. It works great and is worth the effort.=20 Cheers, Scott M2 =20 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com =20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 10 16:50:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52F7F3BEEE; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 16:50:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MdpgF+yK7v5U/mVZKoH36FKzW7eH9jecNtUzpWm/swCcai+DwTEkkh4Ds+u/gCmW4k+3GUa8JWxzUEMpxoF+rcpEucHkvQB68vL/V9TqW4TQIWJbflCFjuMUoN1UYPgcFt6g875CLoCzpVLXDfmfC2MXI16KHvmYzSjLWL4L9yc= Message-ID: <588ce11d050910095048996856@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 09:50:13 -0700 From: Art Simon Reply-To: simart@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: locking sustain pedal In-Reply-To: <20050910153820.9B8D28B15C@smtp1.dnsmadeeasy.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050910153820.9B8D28B15C@smtp1.dnsmadeeasy.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 16:50:15 +0000 (UTC) Maybe a "latching" pedal like this one? http://www.rolandus.com/products/details.asp?catid=3D1&subcatid=3D4&prodid= =3DFS%2D5L%2F5U On 9/10/05, CM wrote: > =20 > I've asked this before, and don't think anyone replied, but now amidst al= l > the political smoke, I think we may have some fresh motivation... : ) = =20 > =20 > I use a Ableton Live + Electrix Repeeter setup. Amidst the looping, I of= ten > set my synth (a Roland XP-30) into midi-sync'd arpeggiations, which I can > use the sustain pedal to continue while I play something else (piano, > trumpet, voice, whatever). =20 > =20 > I'd like to be able to easily "lock" that sustain pedal to free up my foo= t > for other things. I'm sure I can hot-wire my existing pedal (standard > square sustain pedal) w/a toggle switch -- which I still for some reason > havn't gotten around to -- but if I can buy one ready-made, I'm inclined = to > do that. Does anyone make such a beast?=20 > =20 > thx=20 > Cass=20 > =20 > =20 --=20 Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 10 18:04:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 281323BEEC; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:04:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hpwXFLCUJiQOwOQgxZmZOfHp4nqKBItdGRToUJMffnMDyPSw6QrDK8AJwrhX4OU/b5+svFqdbonCav/bm44PiIzR3tBafWSXiIAs5jzlWN3yHHHkcrq+ovhzl2wzOO1naVyG5CtCxCei2+tvN6hKJpOQx1VHh9lfpjM1kaMmDQQ= ; Message-ID: <20050910180454.9679.qmail@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 11:04:54 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: No Moderator (was BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050910014047.IATZ8185.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@Desktop2002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-490862411-1126375494=:8412" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:04:56 +0000 (UTC) --0-490862411-1126375494=:8412 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit we all have freedom of speech...just watch what you say? "scary visionary" Gary Lehmann wrote: -----Original Message----- From: Todd Howell [mailto:ransacker@earthlink.net] Out of curiosity, do we actually have a moderator here and what is his/her role in the making of peace or managing said differences of opinion? Just curious. --->Uh . . no . . . Kim says anything goes but be fair-- I have decided that everyone is right and yet no one agrees-- So just try to be kind . . . I for one appreciate the information. Gary __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-490862411-1126375494=:8412 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
we all have freedom of speech...just watch what you say?
"scary visionary"

Gary Lehmann <hqr@cox.net> wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Howell [mailto:ransacker@earthlink.net]

Out of curiosity, do we actually have a moderator here and what is his/her
role in the making of peace or managing said differences of opinion? Just
curious.

--->Uh . . no . . .
Kim says anything goes but be fair--
I have decided that everyone is right and yet no one agrees--
So just try to be kind . . .
I for one appreciate the information.
Gary


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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-490862411-1126375494=:8412-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 10 18:22:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF6713BEE4; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:22:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: T.C. G-system Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 11:22:44 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20050910153440.76515.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:22:44 +0000 (UTC) There is a great DSP/ modeler that goes through an anologue tube path, though i believe it also does the A/D thing as well. The Vox tonelab. as the brits would say...a superb piece of kit. Bill -----Original Message----- From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 8:35 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: T.C. G-system Hi Andreas, Is there a multiefx at all that doesnt go through a damn A/D converter? I just played a rock n roll gig recently which required only a guitar and amp,so it was a little marshall amp and a les paul, for a bit of boost i just used its dedicated foot switch and man did it feel and sound good to play like that!I havent been motivated lately to play through so much digital stuff lately,could it be that i am looping backwards? Luis --- Andreas Willers wrote: > Also I guess they made the same problematic > decisison as in the G-Force and > G-Major Multieffects that in order to achieve a good > wealth of routing > options they ruled out one of the most important > ones: the option of routing > the analog (guitar) signal through untouched whith > just some "add-on" > effects like reverb and delay (you can't do that > with distortion, filters > and compression of course). So your signal is always > (even when no effect is > added) undergoing an A/D and D/A conversion. NO good > idea IMO...... > > > > > Von: "L. Angulo" > > Antworten an: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Datum: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 05:31:13 -0700 (PDT) > > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Betreff: T.C. G-system > > Neu gesendet von: > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Neu gesendet am: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:31:14 +0000 > (UTC) > > > > Is aybody using this yet? > > http://www.tcelectronic.com/G-System > > seems awesome specially its switching system and > being > > able to take out its compete internal DSP > processor > > and putting it into a rack! > > guess what the only drawback is? > > 1400.00dlls;-( > > Luis > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina > relief effort. > > http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 10 18:25:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5C863BEF4; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:25:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <014701c5b635$14d6a3a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Y2K5: no schedule yet! Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 11:25:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <_r5dXB.A.D1F.0UyIDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:25:57 +0000 (UTC) I made a mistake in a new program that I am using for the Y2K5 website and accidentally put up a schedule of performers for the main festival at Y2K5 THERE IS NO SCHEDULE YET!!!!!!! and there won't be one for two weeks due to pending performanc confirmation of a couple of 'name' acts My apologies to anyone who 1) either got their hopes up or 2) got their hopes dashed. The scheduling is very, very important to me. I will work very hard on presenting the best possible show to everyone. thanks, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 10 19:05:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA24C3BEE4; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:05:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated-Name: TuleRiver X-Transit-System: In case of SPAM please contact abuse@dnsmadeeasy.com From: "CM" To: Subject: RE: locking sustain pedal Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:05:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcW2Jl567KPryn8ASku4IeS8vJ2u9QAE2ZUg In-Reply-To: <000c01c5b626$89f9f740$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Message-Id: <20050910190515.A542A8B220@smtp1.dnsmadeeasy.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2MoZjC.A.uPC.t5yIDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:05:17 +0000 (UTC) What I want is a "momentary foot switch" that is "momentary only" MOST = of the time, but which has some mechanism by which it can become, = essentially, a "latching foot switch" in ON position... e.g. a second switch on it or attached to it that forces it to be "on / down," overriding the = "momentary" pedal's current state. I appreciate all the feedback / help - thx! Cass -----Original Message----- From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de]=20 Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 9:42 AM To: Looper's Delight Mailing List Subject: locking sustain pedal I might fail to grasp what you're exactly trying to do, so I summarize. You want a pedal which works: Step on it and release: switched on (like a sustain pedal held down) step on it and relese a second time: switched off (like a sustain pedal not held down) The sustain pedal type ist called "momentary foot switch", among these = are the sustain pedals. The other type is called "latching foot switch" or "on/off pedal". Boss calls these e.g. FS-5U (for the momentary) or FS-5L (for the = latching one). You should be able to get those from about any company which makes foot-operated thingies at all. (Note that these latching switches don't have a polarity switch, because it's either on the first time you step on it or the second one). Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Scott M2 [mailto:scott@dreamstate.to] Gesendet: Samstag, 10. September 2005 18:05 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: RE: locking sustain pedal I use a Ableton Live + Electrix Repeeter setup. Amidst the looping, I often set my synth (a Roland XP-30) into midi-sync'd arpeggiations, which I can use the sustain pedal to continue while I play something else (piano, trumpet, voice, whatever). =20 I'd like to be able to easily "lock" that sustain pedal to free up my foot for other things. I'm sure I can hot-wire my existing pedal (standard square sustain pedal) w/a toggle switch -- which I still for some reason havn't gotten around to -- but if I can buy one ready-made, I'm inclined to do that. Does anyone make such a beast? thx Cass=20 ---------- I use an XP-60 and also like to lock-on the arpeggiator or various ambient patches I create. I've never seen a locking sustain pedal for sale and modified my Ensoniq double pedal with a small toggle which I can nudge on and off with my foot. It works great and is worth the effort.=20 Cheers, Scott M2 =20 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com =20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 10 19:27:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 008863BEEC; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:27:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Oln4xnjbGz1u6AiQiXDbqqcP6C2SbSuMKXjaRcrzgdI9VKxm0c4eeG4FCSmiJecOhf848SBhat7SF0glFmKXOBu/EAr8C4KFeoXTYl9ej6eREiiPEdYGL+/KmRBg8Q7uVB+6O178kYK+vYHtFyYIC/LnoF7RTCCAnY7GDh5Drls= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:27:30 -0700 From: Joey Reply-To: tentaclejoe@gmail.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: BBC Documentary Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:27:32 +0000 (UTC) Hey Guys, For anyone interested there is a really good BBC doc on the alt.binaries.multimedia.documentaries newsgroup titled "Alchemists Of Sound" which chronicles the BBC Radiophonic Workshop. Has some wonderful vintage footage of looping techniques. The file is about 400mb. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 10 19:31:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 660743BEE8; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:31:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050910153202.00a3ca80@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: nickd@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:32:02 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nick douglas Subject: Re: lexicon boxes In-Reply-To: <4320AE7D.3010609@sun.com> References: <20050908212857.47092.qmail@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20050908212857.47092.qmail@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:31:07 +0000 (UTC) I tried to buy rotary encoders using that part number and phone number a few weeks after Jeff posted them. I wanted five. I needed two and wanted spares besides but they only had two left. I'd buy spares today if I could find them. Please, somebody find or make a substitute part. A VST Vortex would be cool. I'd hope it would allow longer delays. I'd probably buy one eventually (if not too pricey) but I want to keep my hardware going as long as possible. Nick >Yes, I posted the part number on December 20, 2004 >and Kris said he was able to get three of them. >Apparently those were among the last. > >Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 10 19:48:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 748C63BEEA; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:48:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=h2GxPwY8VfhXqPPo/Y8kYuDO7gk7r0DD3UmLCIUOpp//fQQ9KFhJ/7UYYjK1BO2iucMMJjdzgkyZsIyiyzexvNQ2M9n5ygqtqmWyAIwtQIywRyYWgxrj/wNBfNoyhgHc8rvtIxlXkFyq2pLccm12GDbGtS0JqDzIvrmwSsD0iqk= ; Message-ID: <20050910194828.65532.qmail@web52808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:48:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: T.C. G-system To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000e01c5b61e$c95dd0d0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:48:30 +0000 (UTC) Hi Bernhard, Well i am getting this one;-) Have u sent any other lately? Cheers Luis --- Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > Hi Luis > > Do you get my emails? > > Sorry for being OT. > Bernhard > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Samstag, 10. September 2005 17:35 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: T.C. G-system > > > > Hi Andreas, > > Is there a multiefx at all that doesnt go through > a > > damn A/D converter? > > I just played a rock n roll gig recently which > > required only a guitar and amp,so it was a little > > marshall amp and a les paul, for a bit of boost i > just > > used its dedicated foot switch and man did it feel > and > > sound good to play like that!I havent been > motivated > > lately to play through so much digital stuff > > lately,could it be that i am looping backwards? > > Luis > > > > > > --- Andreas Willers wrote: > > > > > Also I guess they made the same problematic > > > decisison as in the G-Force and > > > G-Major Multieffects that in order to achieve a > good > > > wealth of routing > > > options they ruled out one of the most important > > > ones: the option of routing > > > the analog (guitar) signal through untouched > whith > > > just some "add-on" > > > effects like reverb and delay (you can't do that > > > with distortion, filters > > > and compression of course). So your signal is > always > > > (even when no effect is > > > added) undergoing an A/D and D/A conversion. NO > good > > > idea IMO...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Von: "L. Angulo" > > > > Antworten an: > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > Datum: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 05:31:13 -0700 (PDT) > > > > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > Betreff: T.C. G-system > > > > Neu gesendet von: > > > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > Neu gesendet am: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:31:14 > +0000 > > > (UTC) > > > > > > > > Is aybody using this yet? > > > > http://www.tcelectronic.com/G-System > > > > seems awesome specially its switching system > and > > > being > > > > able to take out its compete internal DSP > > > processor > > > > and putting it into a rack! > > > > guess what the only drawback is? > > > > 1400.00dlls;-( > > > > Luis > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > > > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina > > > relief effort. > > > > http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > www.luis-angulo.com ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 10 20:09:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F60D3BEEA; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:09:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.32) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 10 Sep 2005 20:09:49 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:09:49 -0500 Subject: Some looping MP3s on my new website X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050910200949.C384C3384B@ws7-3.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:09:52 +0000 (UTC) Hey there loopers- For those who might be interested, I just launched my new website. There a= re lots of MP3s on the "Free Music Thingies" page. Most of them are non- looping things, but there are a couple tracks from lumper/splitter, my live= -looping improv duo with Lucio Menegon. Cheers. Joe Rut --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 10 20:36:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1355A3BEF1; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:36:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20050910163131.01f9fc10@mail.wightman.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 16:35:54 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: edp schematics In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20050907131647.030530c0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> References: <20050907105302.561953BED5@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20050907131647.030530c0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5CBB536E Resent-Message-ID: <5cCL0.A.ZSE.zO0IDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 20:36:04 +0000 (UTC) Thanks to all of you who made suggestions on my edp not booting up problem. I now have the oberhiem edp schematics and the problem turned out to be a 5 volt regulator, that was inexpensive to replace. My unit is an early (beige model) gibson edp and it is the same as the oberhiem, I'm not sure if its any different in the new models or not. I've passed the schematics on to a few of you, and will be happy to email them to anyone else that can use them. All the best, Paul Haslem From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 10 21:57:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EB603BEEE; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:57:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <001101c5b652$a4283880$739ffe91@inap> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: References: <20050907105302.561953BED5@arsenic.violacea.com><6.2.3.4.0.20050907131647.030530c0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <6.2.0.14.2.20050910163131.01f9fc10@mail.wightman.ca> Subject: Re: edp schematics Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 23:57:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <9J6H0C.A.FjC.6a1IDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 21:57:14 +0000 (UTC) Hi Paul, I´d be very interested. One of my EDPs has a high frequency whine on the input when the volume is cranked up. I´d like to have my tech remove this if possible. Let me know how big the attachment would be. Thanks, Stephen. "I´m striving for the mysterious. The obvious doesn´t interest me." (Jon Hassell) Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com WTB: "England´s Hidden Reverse" by David Keenan (Coil, Current93, Nurse With Wound, David Tibet). ----- Original Message ----- From: paul To: Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 10:35 PM Subject: edp schematics > Thanks to all of you who made suggestions on my edp not booting up problem. > > I now have the oberhiem edp schematics and the problem turned out to be a 5 > volt regulator, that was inexpensive to replace. My unit is an early (beige > model) gibson edp and it is the same as the oberhiem, I'm not sure if its > any different in the new models or not. I've passed the schematics on to a > few of you, and will be happy to email them to anyone else that can use them. > > All the best, > > Paul Haslem > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 10 23:23:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EA173BEF1; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 23:23:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008d01c5b65e$9f1df990$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Y2K5 Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 16:23:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 23:23:18 +0000 (UTC) The last two times I put the word 'Y2K5' into the subject line here it never appears in the subject line no matter whether it is longer or shorter title, so this is a test of our beloved automated system and an attempt to figure out how it automatically edits the subject headers ...... ..........and an important reiteration of the important correction that i just posted under a different subject header: This appeared a couple of hours ago with this header: 'no schedule yet' ***************************** subject: Y2K5: no schedule yet! "I made a mistake in a new program that I am using for the Y2K5 website and accidentally put up a schedule of performers for the main festival at Y2K5 THERE IS NO SCHEDULE YET!!!!!!! and there won't be one for two weeks due to pending performanc confirmation of a couple of 'name' acts My apologies to anyone who 1) either got their hopes up or 2) got their hopes dashed. The scheduling is very, very important to me. I will work very hard on presenting the best possible show to everyone. thanks, Rick " From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 10 23:48:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BA5F3BEEA; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 23:48:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 10 Sep 2005 23:48:23 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 18:48:23 -0500 Subject: Re: Some looping MP3s on my new website X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050910234823.4857ACA07F@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4UXxi.A.BsF.ID3IDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 23:48:24 +0000 (UTC) Uh....i guess you would need the url... www.joerut.com oops ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Some looping MP3s on my new website Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:09:49 -0500 >=20 > Hey there loopers- >=20 > For those who might be interested, I just launched my new website.=20=20 > There are lots of MP3s on the "Free Music Thingies" page. Most of=20 > them are non- > looping things, but there are a couple tracks from lumper/splitter,=20 > my live-looping improv duo with Lucio Menegon. Cheers. >=20 > Joe Rut >=20 > -- > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow = Pages >=20 > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.= asp?SRC=3Dlycos10 --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 11 02:00:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC8083BEEC; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 02:00:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopersdelight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=sqI+MkrAmAwJGX+w4VNRKRBdaN2kMvVyZOYIqReDDyqcYUuj/eIj/r3iCRonIQV3pCnzB3KRbvpZIIB8NKuNLvyxuai0v3MqBcxzsin3BLrlQMVBtxY2e0eHl2UUeW/WlhLqmWPuqFa0Hgt7QA8r5Wl8V5z+OklTPOSZukh/Okc= ; Message-ID: <20050911020028.41989.qmail@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 19:00:28 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: RE: No Moderator (was BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco) To: Loopers-Delight@loopersdelight.com In-Reply-To: <20050910233335.YWIC3414.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2099364234-1126404028=:41301" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 02:00:30 +0000 (UTC) --0-2099364234-1126404028=:41301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit yea,thats why i rarely make statements,im a cryptic question kinda guy... Gary Lehmann wrote: Hey, I don’t make the rules—and evidently, neither does anyone else! But, if you are too , others will react— And that’s the way Kim likes it—and he is paying the bill for LD—so he gets to have it his way . . . Gary --------------------------------- From: daniel stevenson [mailto:stillllscary@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 11:05 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: No Moderator (was BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco) we all have freedom of speech...just watch what you say? "scary visionary" Gary Lehmann wrote: -----Original Message----- From: Todd Howell [mailto:ransacker@earthlink.net] Out of curiosity, do we actually have a moderator here and what is his/her role in the making of peace or managing said differences of opinion? Just curious. --->Uh . . no . . . Kim says anything goes but be fair-- I have decided that everyone is right and yet no one agrees-- So just try to be kind . . . I for one appreciate the information. Gary --------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-2099364234-1126404028=:41301 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

yea,thats why i rarely make statements,im a cryptic question kinda guy...

Gary Lehmann <hqr@cox.net> wrote:

Hey, I don’t make the rules—and evidently, neither does anyone else!

But, if you are too <something>, others will react—

And that’s the way Kim likes it—and he is paying the bill for LD—so he gets to have it his way . . .

Gary

 

From: daniel stevenson [mailto:stillllscary@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 11:05 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: No Moderator (was BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco)

 

we all have freedom of speech...just watch what you say?

"scary visionary"

Gary Lehmann <hqr@cox.net> wrote:

-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Howell [mailto:ransacker@earthlink.net]

Out of curiosity, do we actually have a moderator here and what is his/her
role in the making of peace or managing said differences of opinion? Just
curious.

--->Uh . . no . . .
Kim says anything goes but be fair--
I have decided that everyone is right and yet no one agrees--
So just try to be kind . . .
I for one appreciate the information.
Gary

Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-2099364234-1126404028=:41301-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 11 05:40:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E64F03BEF6; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 05:40:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01fb01c5b693$a8889be0$0200a8c0@bigtony> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20050910123113.47332.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: T.C. G-system Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 01:40:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: <_suPFC.A.nxG.ON8IDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 05:40:30 +0000 (UTC) I stopped by my local music store on Friday evening and my friend there told me about this. He said it's one of the most amazing pedals he's ever seen. He got to play one for a while and was very impressed. Makes me want one to add to the equipment pile. :) Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "L. Angulo" To: Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 8:31 AM Subject: T.C. G-system > Is aybody using this yet? > http://www.tcelectronic.com/G-System > seems awesome specially its switching system and being > able to take out its compete internal DSP processor > and putting it into a rack! > guess what the only drawback is? > 1400.00dlls;-( > Luis > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 11 08:59:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CA413BEF4; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 08:59:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: zurich photos Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 10:58:51 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01C5B6BF.CB4AE8A0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1d6.448f50b8.30545bae@aol.com> X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Sun, 11 Sep 2005 10:51:33 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.74.2 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 08:59:18 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C5B6BF.CB4AE8A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi Michael, > i know about michael peters' site > thanks michael, i love the slide show feature of the fliker site..... just to make sure, flickr is not "my" site ... I just posted some photos there as did Os and Andy and Fabio ... http://www.flickr.com/groups/13509629@N00/ -Michael ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C5B6BF.CB4AE8A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi=20 Michael,
 
> i know about michael peters' site  
> thanks michael, i love the = slide show=20 feature of the fliker site..... 
 
 
just to make sure, flickr is not "my" site = ... I just=20 posted some photos there as did Os and Andy and Fabio ...=20
http://www.flickr.com= /groups/13509629@N00/
 
 
-Michael
 
------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C5B6BF.CB4AE8A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 11 09:46:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADCDA3BEF0; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 09:46:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: zurich photos Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 11:46:02 +0200 Message-ID: <002401c5b6b5$a24cb8c0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 09:46:33 +0000 (UTC) ...and I, yesterday. Some nice shots of James Sidlo, Per Boysen, Bill Walker, Michael Peters, = New Bag, Rick Walker, Gareth Whittock, Andr=E9 M=FCller, Petr Samojsk=FD + = Nechej, Simon Grab, Claude Voit, Matthias Grob. I exceeded my bandwidth, though, because I uploaded the full resolution, = so: More to come next month! Thank you very much, Michael, for setting up the flickr thingy! Bernhard http://nosuch.biz http://loopfestival.com/y2k5 -----Original Message----- From: Michael Peters [mailto:mp@mpeters.de]=20 Sent: Sonntag, 11. September 2005 10:59 To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: zurich photos hi Michael, =A0 >=A0i know about michael peters' site=A0=A0 >=A0thanks michael, i love the slide show feature of the fliker = site.....=A0 =A0 =A0 just to make sure, flickr is not "my" site ... I just posted some photos there as did Os and Andy and Fabio ...=20 http://www.flickr.com/groups/13509629@N00/ =A0 =A0 -Michael =A0 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 11 11:06:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50F5E3BEFB; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 11:06:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002101c5b6c0$d4e0b740$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <009601c5b5d2$7c7cf210$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: Y2K5 Intrntl Live Looping Fest: October 5th-10th Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 12:06:14 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: <-JwJsD.A.E5H.t-AJDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 11:06:22 +0000 (UTC) Cheers, to see this event is growing. Jeers at myself for leaving the US before it got going. ----- Original Message ----- From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Saturday, 10 September, 2005 07:40 AM Subject: Y2K5 Intrntl Live Looping Fest: October 5th-10th > Put this on your calendars all you loopers in Northern California. > > The Y2K5 International Live Looping Festival > will be occur from October 5th through October 10th > with over 40 artists performing from 6 countries in 5 performances in 3 > cities > > October 5th, Wednesday Best of Y2K5: Henry Miller Library, Big > Sur > October 6th, Thursday Experimental Guitar: Y2K5 the Luggage Store, > San Francisco > October 7th, Friday Best of Y2K5: the Drum Machine Museum, > San Franscisco > > THE MAIN FESTIVAL > October 8th, Saturday E3 Playhouse, Santa Cruz, California > October 9th, Sunday E3 Playhouse, Santa Cruz, California > > The Annual Y2K5 Loopers Brunch > October 10th, Monday 1:00 p.m. tentatively: E3 Playhouse (backup: > the Catalyst) Santa Cruz > > The Y2K5 After Party > October 10th Monday 9:30---till you drop Santa Cruz's premier > goth club The BOX > > black attire suggested but not mandatory > > Details can be seen at > http://loopfestival.com/y2k5 > > The website that has been graciously donated and maintained by Bernhard > Wagner > (the mastermind behind the wonderful Zurich Live Looping Festival this > past month). > > Bernhard, I have to say, is having a banner month. He is a headliner > for this years' > Y2K5 Festival; he just produced the best live looping festival I've ever > seen and he > has a beautiful new debut live looping solo CD out. I will write a full > review of this wonderful > record as soon as I am able to breathe after Y2K5, but it's a goody. > Suffice it to say that you should buy one from him while he is in America > (and the shipping charges are low.............lol) > > A quick note to all Performing Artists: > > 1) Please go to the website site and see if there is any information that > you can fill in > or correct and e-mail me immediately so I can change it. It would be > great to have current e-mails and > URLs for your music for every artist. > > Just put the bold letters WEBSITE INFO: Y2K5 (YOUR NAME) in the subject > header of our email to me and mail it to rickwalker@looppool.info . > This way I can collate the information and update the website very > quickly. Thanks a lot!!!! > > 2) I will be posting set orders of all the concerts within two weeks of > today. > The reason I will wait that long is because I have a couple of big acts > that I am still waiting on > final confirmation from, so I don't want to do all the work to plan it and > then have to do it all over again. > Thanks for bearing with me > > 3) In two weeks time I will write a very definitive set of instructions > about what we'll all need to do in order to make such a garngantuan > performance come off professionally )load in, performance and sound check > information, et. al.) > > 4) Also, PLEASE DO NOT flood me with questions about the festival until > you get that email. The amount of email I am sending and recieving > between venues, transportation providers, accomodation providers, foreign > artists is just completely overwhelming. LOL, the less stressed I am, > the better the festival will be......................why? Because I"m a > stress puppy for sure! > > Don't worry. Everything will be done in a way that benefits all and I > won't forget anything, I promise. > > Thanks a lot!!!! > > Rick Walker > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 11 15:11:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5BCE3BEFB; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:11:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jhsidlo@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 11:11:48 EDT Subject: Yamaha AW16G recorder To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1126451508" X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5039 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <0ayM9D.A.CtF.3kEJDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:11:51 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1126451508 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everybody, I'm looking for a replacement cd burner for my Yamaha AW16G hard drive recorder. Supposedly it's proprietary, so you can't just slap any laptop burner in. Yamaha wants $500 for a new one. Any suggestions for a work around? please e-mail me offline concerning this. Thanks, James Sidlo -------------------------------1126451508 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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<= /HTML> -------------------------------1126451508-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 11 15:38:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D0B63BF01; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:38:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <8e.2f5c8ca0.3055a954@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 11:37:56 EDT Subject: Re: zurich photos To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_8e.2f5c8ca0.3055a954_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <3K9gt.A.YRG.a9EJDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:38:03 +0000 (UTC) --part1_8e.2f5c8ca0.3055a954_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bernhard, et al, Re: http://www.flickr.com/groups/13509629@N00/ A good set of photos . Really makes me wish I could 've been there. If looks are anything it must've been a terrific show. Thanks for sharing these. Someday, before I retire from looping and music in general, I=20 really must get over to Europe. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn PS. Buy "Flux Aeterna" from CDBaby during the months of September and October and all of my portion of the profits will be automatically donated to the Red Cross by CDBaby -- specifically for Gulf Coast hurricane relief. "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_8e.2f5c8ca0.3055a954_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bernhard, et al,

Re: http://www.flickr.com/groups/13509629@N00/

A good set of photos . Really makes me wish I could 've been there.
If looks are anything it must've been a terrific show. Thanks for sharing these. Someday, before I retire from looping and music in general, I
really must get over to Europe.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

PS. Buy "Flux Aeterna" from CDBaby during the months of September
and October and all of my portion of the profits will be automatically
donated to the Red Cross by CDBaby -- specifically for Gulf Coast
hurricane relief.

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_8e.2f5c8ca0.3055a954_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 11 15:49:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03A833BEFC; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:49:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <20050910022146.57912.qmail@web54613.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050910022146.57912.qmail@web54613.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8--29796355 Message-Id: <9886a4eb554254f258dac8b01dc52ce0@bartholomusic.com> From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 10:49:35 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 66.226.64.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:49:40 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-8--29796355 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed ITS PERFECT. go with the 1010. the EDP foot controller response time is good. dont get me wrong. but the reliability is NOT. from what i understand, its not voltage controlled, its RESISTANCE controlled. maybe that is the problem in the 1st place. others may refute me but i have one and it sucks. any contamination of the buttons can set off the resistances and ur then screwed...ONSTAGE. ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 9, 2005, at 9:21 PM, Joshua Fuller wrote: > I am having problems with my original Echoplex foot > pedal, and I am considering getting the FCB1010. My > only concern is reliabity and response in trigger > time. Since the FCB footswitch is triggering via midi, > I would assume it is slower than the original EDP > voltage controlled foot controller. Has anyone > compared the 2? > > And- how is the feel, and reliability of the FCB1010? > Is it a good replacement for what I currently have? > > Thanks for all of your input, > Josh > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ > --Apple-Mail-8--29796355 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII ITS PERFECT. go with the 1010. the EDP foot controller response time is good. dont get me wrong. but the reliability is NOT. from what i understand, its not voltage controlled, its RESISTANCE controlled. maybe that is the problem in the 1st place. others may refute me but i have one and it sucks. any contamination of the buttons can set off the resistances and ur then screwed...ONSTAGE. ___7979,0404,0909 Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 9, 2005, at 9:21 PM, Joshua Fuller wrote: I am having problems with my original Echoplex foot pedal, and I am considering getting the FCB1010. My only concern is reliabity and response in trigger time. Since the FCB footswitch is triggering via midi, I would assume it is slower than the original EDP voltage controlled foot controller. Has anyone compared the 2? And- how is the feel, and reliability of the FCB1010? Is it a good replacement for what I currently have? Thanks for all of your input, Josh ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ --Apple-Mail-8--29796355-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 11 16:40:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C476A3BF06; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 16:40:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=sprintmail.com; b=mJbkJOVN1PsghFKLI17/S5F2JCZxpuypyrCMUJawgxwHEZBYX2EzsT7x/gWy7Xse; h=Received:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Content-Type:To:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig spam [Seattle] Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 09:40:48 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-ELNK-Trace: 86a6669cc0c295031c0d99aadad889b544085b9606502ed9f62e5f876fe0254a50ce6f28b6bca0a6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.91.62.52 Resent-Message-ID: <04MZYB.A.yh.T4FJDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 16:40:51 +0000 (UTC) Three acoustic guitar live looping shows this week, including a brand new venue in Everett that's been garnering a good reputation, despite being in a public library. I guess they've worked out the "Shh!" issues. September 15, Thursday, 6-8PM C&P Coffee (5612 California Ave SW) September 16, Friday, 8-10PM El Diablo (1811 Queen Anne Avenue North #101) *September 17, Saturday, 9-10PM Espresso Americano (Everett Public Library, Everett) Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 11 16:44:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71F553BF05; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 16:44:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:44:50 +0200 From: "Torstein H. Rem" Subject: Re: T.C. G-system To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000e01c5b6f0$20d5b590$0300000a@remwavesnet> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050910123113.47332.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> <01fb01c5b693$a8889be0$0200a8c0@bigtony> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 16:44:50 +0000 (UTC) Some initial user report here http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?s=52e2e2ad6e45ae68ac46320fac324e18&threadid=100577 T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony K" To: Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 7:40 AM Subject: Re: T.C. G-system >I stopped by my local music store on Friday evening and my friend there >told > me about this. He said it's one of the most amazing pedals he's ever seen. > He got to play one for a while and was very impressed. Makes me want one > to > add to the equipment pile. :) > > Tony > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "L. Angulo" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 8:31 AM > Subject: T.C. G-system > > >> Is aybody using this yet? >> http://www.tcelectronic.com/G-System >> seems awesome specially its switching system and being >> able to take out its compete internal DSP processor >> and putting it into a rack! >> guess what the only drawback is? >> 1400.00dlls;-( >> Luis >> >> www.luis-angulo.com >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. >> http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 11 18:12:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE4163BEF9; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:12:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.54.229.220] X-Originating-Email: [blackface@hotmail.co.uk] X-Sender: blackface@hotmail.co.uk In-Reply-To: <000e01c5b6f0$20d5b590$0300000a@remwavesnet> From: "phill wilson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: My Effects pedal dream Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:12:47 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Sep 2005 18:12:48.0047 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A3F3BF0:01C5B6FC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:12:50 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, its been a while. I have finally finished the floorboard of my dreams!! see pics here http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/phillwilson_uk/detail?.dir=14c4&.dnm=1c8f.jpg&.src=ph I have also found that using one of those storage bags for putting duvets under your bed makes a great carry bag to stop leads and the like falling out during transit. It has already been dubed the Body-bag setup by my local nightclub owner. anyways, I have had a new idea for an effects pedal. It is a mechanical effect similar to an A/B box rather then one involving component electronics. what I am looking for is someone from this list with the relevent knowlege who I could run through my idea with. Sorry if I am being a little vague, basically if you have moded a pedal before I imagine you would know enough to help me. I have tried doing this alone using logical reasoning, but Im getting some awful buzzes and not a lot of success. Thanks to anyone who can spare the time. Phill _________________________________________________________________ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 11 18:23:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49DD93BEF1; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:23:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 14:28:28 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: My Effects pedal dream To: Message-id: <001e01c5b6fe$9b3de380$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:23:16 +0000 (UTC) Looks like a nice bunch or effects. Personally, I would be very worried about my EDP sitting on a dusty floor. Perhaps you might want to wrap it in saran-wrap to limit dust and wetness (read: beer) gets in? But then cutting off ventilation could cause problems too. Hard to know which to worry about more. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "phill wilson" To: Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 2:12 PM Subject: My Effects pedal dream > Hi all, its been a while. > > I have finally finished the floorboard of my dreams!! see pics here > > http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/phillwilson_uk/detail?.dir=14c4&.dnm=1c8f.jpg&.src=ph > > I have also found that using one of those storage bags for putting duvets > under your bed makes a great carry bag to stop leads and the like falling > out during transit. It has already been dubed the Body-bag setup by my local > nightclub owner. > > anyways, I have had a new idea for an effects pedal. It is a mechanical > effect similar to an A/B box rather then one involving component > electronics. what I am looking for is someone from this list with the > relevent knowlege who I could run through my idea with. > > Sorry if I am being a little vague, basically if you have moded a pedal > before I imagine you would know enough to help me. I have tried doing this > alone using logical reasoning, but Im getting some awful buzzes and not a > lot of success. > > Thanks to anyone who can spare the time. > > Phill > > _________________________________________________________________ > Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! > http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 11 18:24:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 367753BF0F; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:24:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.54.229.220] X-Originating-Email: [blackface@hotmail.co.uk] X-Sender: blackface@hotmail.co.uk In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050908101531.01ec0948@mail.wightman.ca> From: "phill wilson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: My EDP Multiply Technique Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:24:37 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Sep 2005 18:24:37.0687 (UTC) FILETIME=[1139B470:01C5B6FE] Resent-Message-ID: <_-GZF.A.giE.mZHJDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:24:39 +0000 (UTC) Hey all, just wanted to share a technique of sorts that I found almost my accident. I dont know if anyone plays the type of music that would benifit from it, but here it is. I play a song in my set that begins with bass note washes of E then C (2bars each). I loop this, thenn add other notes to form chordal Em and C. eventually as the song progresses (im singing too) I add in actual picked arpegio and strumming. Well, basically what has often happened when I have been playing this song is thatthe wash notes have become kind of cloudy as they have been added, so that by the time I have got to playing the strummed and picked bits it is very difficly to get the precise time of my loop. Enter my new EDP setup. What I ended up doing (at first by accident) is starting a multiply each time I faded up a new note to add to the pad clusters then ended at the point I thought was rythimcally correct (goverened in a loose sense be the singing) with record thus redefining the loop. The last time I played this song I redefined the loop pretty much at every other pass until I got all the parts laid down. What I ended up with was a loop that stayed constantly rythmically correct in relation to my singing, but developed a very interesting glitch at the start once multiple redefinitions had been done. Im thinking the next step for me may be to try starting the remultiply at other points such as on the second chord and see what this distribution of loop-point-redefinition-glitches sounds like. anyways, this may all be old hat to everyone else, or completly useless, but I just got in from a gig and was stoked with the results of a cool accident!! Phill _________________________________________________________________ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 11 18:25:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E36423BF0F; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:25:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <22332198.1126463134957.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 12:25:34 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My Effects pedal dream Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:25:35 +0000 (UTC) Phil Fascinating use of multiple levels. Does the lack of visual reference on the face of the EDP ever become an inconvenience? Just wondering. How is it as far as comfort of use (ie. ergonomics)? Do you find it difficult to try and stomp on level two, standing on one foot and proceding to rock? Is the duvet cover sufficiently durable? I've been using a keyboard bag for mine. It's survived everything, spilled Guinness, cigarette burns, my Border Collie puppy. Sorry for all of the questions. Have designed, or rather presided over the evolution of my own pedal board. Wondering. Respectfully, Todd Howell -----Original Message----- From: phill wilson Sent: Sep 11, 2005 12:12 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: My Effects pedal dream Hi all, its been a while. I have finally finished the floorboard of my dreams!! see pics here http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/phillwilson_uk/detail?.dir=14c4&.dnm=1c8f.jpg&.src=ph I have also found that using one of those storage bags for putting duvets under your bed makes a great carry bag to stop leads and the like falling out during transit. It has already been dubed the Body-bag setup by my local nightclub owner. anyways, I have had a new idea for an effects pedal. It is a mechanical effect similar to an A/B box rather then one involving component electronics. what I am looking for is someone from this list with the relevent knowlege who I could run through my idea with. Sorry if I am being a little vague, basically if you have moded a pedal before I imagine you would know enough to help me. I have tried doing this alone using logical reasoning, but Im getting some awful buzzes and not a lot of success. Thanks to anyone who can spare the time. Phill _________________________________________________________________ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 11 19:42:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F38663BEFC; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 19:42:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 21:47:04 +0200 Subject: Re: T.C. G-system From: Andreas Willers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <43229EFD.2026.19425D12@localhost> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 19:42:45 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, yes, same here. For electric guitar nothing beats a single channel well set up tube amp period. I am back to stomp boxes, true-bypass-switchboxes and velcro all the way - with the EDP being my only rack unit left (I'd be into a stompbox version of it!). While I loose some processing power I gladly give it up since my instrument sounds so much better, more real if you will. I compare it with the difference between playing an upright and a grand piano. For the record, I have never tried the Lexicon competitor to the G-Force since it came out after I had bought the t.c. At least I think they featured one fx section before and one after preamplification. Their recording amp seemed neet. The Vox tonelab seems well laid out but quite big for my needs. Regards, Andreas > Luis, > I just went through a similar experience. I played my Chapman Stick through a > Mesa > stack with none of my digital processing and loved it. > > I'm now exploring analog stomp boxes: current production, current production > that > has been modified, vintage, and DIY. They are a little noisy, but the > technology has > vastly improved, especially with the modded units and the DIY units. > > >> Hi Andreas, >> Is there a multiefx at all that doesnt go through a >> damn A/D converter? >> I just played a rock n roll gig recently which >> required only a guitar and amp,so it was a little >> marshall amp and a les paul, for a bit of boost i just >> used its dedicated foot switch and man did it feel and >> sound good to play like that!I havent been motivated >> lately to play through so much digital stuff >> lately,could it be that i am looping backwards? >> Luis >> >> >> --- Andreas Willers wrote: >> >>> Also I guess they made the same problematic >>> decisison as in the G-Force and >>> G-Major Multieffects that in order to achieve a good >>> wealth of routing >>> options they ruled out one of the most important >>> ones: the option of routing >>> the analog (guitar) signal through untouched whith >>> just some "add-on" >>> effects like reverb and delay (you can't do that >>> with distortion, filters >>> and compression of course). So your signal is always >>> (even when no effect is >>> added) undergoing an A/D and D/A conversion. NO good >>> idea IMO...... >>> >>> >>> >>>> Von: "L. Angulo" >>>> Antworten an: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>> Datum: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 05:31:13 -0700 (PDT) >>>> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>> Betreff: T.C. G-system >>>> Neu gesendet von: >>> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>> Neu gesendet am: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:31:14 +0000 >>> (UTC) >>>> >>>> Is aybody using this yet? >>>> http://www.tcelectronic.com/G-System >>>> seems awesome specially its switching system and >>> being >>>> able to take out its compete internal DSP >>> processor >>>> and putting it into a rack! >>>> guess what the only drawback is? >>>> 1400.00dlls;-( >>>> Luis >>>> >>>> www.luis-angulo.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> ______________________________________________________ >>>> Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina >>> relief effort. >>>> http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> www.luis-angulo.com >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> > > Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 11 20:06:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 662F13BF05; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 20:06:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 16:06:19 EDT Subject: Re: My Effects pedal dream To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ba.79ee5f47.3055e83b_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: YES Resent-Message-ID: <05-UJ.A.Nf.H5IJDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 20:06:31 +0000 (UTC) --part1_ba.79ee5f47.3055e83b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, In a message dated 9/11/05 11:13:15 AM, blackface@hotmail.co.uk writes: > http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/phillwilson_uk/detail?.dir=3D14c4& > .dnm=3D1c8f.jpg&.src=3Dph >=20 Question: have you got theMIDI clock of the Adrenalinn driving the EDP or th= e=20 other way around (or neither).J ust curious. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn PS. Buy "Flux Aeterna" from CDBaby during the months of September and October and all of my portion of the profits will be automatically donated to the Red Cross by CDBaby specifically for Gulf Coast hurricane relief. "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_ba.79ee5f47.3055e83b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,

In a message dated 9/11/05 11:13:15 AM, blackface@hotmail.co.uk writes:

http://uk.pg.photos.y= ahoo.com/ph/phillwilson_uk/detail?.dir=3D14c4&.dnm=3D1c8f.jpg&.src= =3Dph

Question: have you got theMIDI clock of the Adrenalinn driving the EDP or th= e other way around (or neither).J ust curious.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

PS. Buy "Flux Aeterna" from CDBaby during the months of September
and October and all of my portion of the profits will be automatically
donated to the Red Cross by CDBaby specifically for Gulf Coast
hurricane relief.

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_ba.79ee5f47.3055e83b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 11 22:19:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D79E3BEF7; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:19:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Y2K5: no schedule yet! Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 15:19:07 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <014701c5b635$14d6a3a0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:19:31 +0000 (UTC) hey Rick, Daniel Lewis expressed interest in performing again this year if you have a cancellation. he expressed extreme embarrassment over not having it together last year and vowed a more together performance. Bill -----Original Message----- From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 11:26 AM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: Y2K5: no schedule yet! I made a mistake in a new program that I am using for the Y2K5 website and accidentally put up a schedule of performers for the main festival at Y2K5 THERE IS NO SCHEDULE YET!!!!!!! and there won't be one for two weeks due to pending performanc confirmation of a couple of 'name' acts My apologies to anyone who 1) either got their hopes up or 2) got their hopes dashed. The scheduling is very, very important to me. I will work very hard on presenting the best possible show to everyone. thanks, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 11 22:55:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3F413BEF9; Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:55:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 17:54:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: RE: zurich photos To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <28232969.1126479288690.JavaMail.root@vms061.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:55:03 +0000 (UTC) thanks michael!.....more please!.....:)m http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 01:17:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A6673BEFF; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 01:17:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=DxmQV2vbhWaf+LmPcmXMb3b7r0oC94vPhJDw2qFbJbHhdT8f7Lcoedgx/zBFk49q; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22005911212059650@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: I'm actually going toward rackmount stuff Re: T.C. G-system Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 21:20:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9402f58cceb6e8969cd26f9141c658f1b55350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.91.164.77 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 01:17:28 +0000 (UTC) Just great! Here I am transitioning from pedals to rackmount (esp. after hearing what Ted K did with his Vortex) while the rest of you are segueing the *other* direction...don't *I* feel like a chump! ;-) But I got some great rack stuff for fire-sale prices recently, and I plan to run it though my olde-tyme amps, even if I'm dialing up an amp simulation upstream of the real amp. I figger I'll use stompboxes for most gain-related live things, and my toy-based stompbox will have to stay because there is nothing on earth, either analog or digital, that can do what it does. Other than that, I figured that after 20 years of using stompboxes I needed a change. There were sounds in my head that my little zink boxes could not do. If I grow tired of it, I could always go back to stompboxes...but it'd take 50 pounds of stompboxes to get what my mpx500, VF-1, and Vortex can do.... And here's the main thing I tell myself....even if I'm going through a SIMULATED tape echo, and a SIMULATED Plexi Marshall, and a SIMULATED plate reverb, I AM REAL, and that realness will hopefully come through no matter how much digital sleight of hand I decide to use. Sonic Luv, Tim > [Original Message] > From: Andreas Willers > To: > Date: 9/11/2005 3:42:45 PM > Subject: Re: T.C. G-system > > Hi all, > > yes, same here. For electric guitar nothing beats a single channel well set > up tube amp period. I am back to stomp boxes, true-bypass-switchboxes and > velcro all the way - with the EDP being my only rack unit left (I'd be into > a stompbox version of it!). While I loose some processing power I gladly > give it up since my instrument sounds so much better, more real if you will. > I compare it with the difference between playing an upright and a grand > piano. > > For the record, I have never tried the Lexicon competitor to the G-Force > since it came out after I had bought the t.c. At least I think they featured > one fx section before and one after preamplification. Their recording amp > seemed neet. The Vox tonelab seems well laid out but quite big for my needs. > > Regards, Andreas > > > > Luis, > > I just went through a similar experience. I played my Chapman Stick through a > > Mesa > > stack with none of my digital processing and loved it. > > > > I'm now exploring analog stomp boxes: current production, current production > > that > > has been modified, vintage, and DIY. They are a little noisy, but the > > technology has > > vastly improved, especially with the modded units and the DIY units. > > > > > >> Hi Andreas, > >> Is there a multiefx at all that doesnt go through a > >> damn A/D converter? > >> I just played a rock n roll gig recently which > >> required only a guitar and amp,so it was a little > >> marshall amp and a les paul, for a bit of boost i just > >> used its dedicated foot switch and man did it feel and > >> sound good to play like that!I havent been motivated > >> lately to play through so much digital stuff > >> lately,could it be that i am looping backwards? > >> Luis > >> > >> > >> --- Andreas Willers wrote: > >> > >>> Also I guess they made the same problematic > >>> decisison as in the G-Force and > >>> G-Major Multieffects that in order to achieve a good > >>> wealth of routing > >>> options they ruled out one of the most important > >>> ones: the option of routing > >>> the analog (guitar) signal through untouched whith > >>> just some "add-on" > >>> effects like reverb and delay (you can't do that > >>> with distortion, filters > >>> and compression of course). So your signal is always > >>> (even when no effect is > >>> added) undergoing an A/D and D/A conversion. NO good > >>> idea IMO...... > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Von: "L. Angulo" > >>>> Antworten an: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>>> Datum: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 05:31:13 -0700 (PDT) > >>>> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>>> Betreff: T.C. G-system > >>>> Neu gesendet von: > >>> Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >>>> Neu gesendet am: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 12:31:14 +0000 > >>> (UTC) > >>>> > >>>> Is aybody using this yet? > >>>> http://www.tcelectronic.com/G-System > >>>> seems awesome specially its switching system and > >>> being > >>>> able to take out its compete internal DSP > >>> processor > >>>> and putting it into a rack! > >>>> guess what the only drawback is? > >>>> 1400.00dlls;-( > >>>> Luis > >>>> > >>>> www.luis-angulo.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> ______________________________________________________ > >>>> Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina > >>> relief effort. > >>>> http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> www.luis-angulo.com > >> > >> __________________________________________________ > >> Do You Yahoo!? > >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > >> http://mail.yahoo.com > >> > >> > >> > > > > Louis Hesselt-van-Dinter > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 01:23:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C55F13BF01; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 01:23:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=UUxjrf0mGHKzwCykX2dxAxuB7TuYH7t6ZnC/wdeG92HrSUi4TVAvIWdvoNOCQ3S1; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22005911212637560@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: My Effects pedal dream Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 21:26:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94001f48a5a62811043db763c088e7536f8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.91.164.77 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 01:23:04 +0000 (UTC) Nice, sweet setup. Very clean. And it's always cool to run into a fellow Bitrman devotee! ~Tim Mungenast > [Original Message] > From: phill wilson > To: > Date: 9/11/2005 2:12:50 PM > Subject: My Effects pedal dream > > Hi all, its been a while. > > I have finally finished the floorboard of my dreams!! see pics here > > http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/phillwilson_uk/detail?.dir=14c4&.dnm=1c8f.j pg&.src=ph > > I have also found that using one of those storage bags for putting duvets > under your bed makes a great carry bag to stop leads and the like falling > out during transit. It has already been dubed the Body-bag setup by my local > nightclub owner. > > anyways, I have had a new idea for an effects pedal. It is a mechanical > effect similar to an A/B box rather then one involving component > electronics. what I am looking for is someone from this list with the > relevent knowlege who I could run through my idea with. > > Sorry if I am being a little vague, basically if you have moded a pedal > before I imagine you would know enough to help me. I have tried doing this > alone using logical reasoning, but Im getting some awful buzzes and not a > lot of success. > > Thanks to anyone who can spare the time. > > Phill > > _________________________________________________________________ > Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! > http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 01:44:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01F173BEFE; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 01:44:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050911182855.050090c8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:43:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: lexicon boxes In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20050910153202.00a3ca80@pop.mindspring.com> References: <20050908212857.47092.qmail@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20050908212857.47092.qmail@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3.0.6.32.20050910153202.00a3ca80@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <_YE2yD.A.SSD.i1NJDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 01:44:02 +0000 (UTC) At 12:32 PM 9/10/2005, nick douglas wrote: >I tried to buy rotary encoders using that part number and phone number a >few weeks after Jeff posted them. I wanted five. I needed two and wanted >spares besides but they only had two left. I'd buy spares today if I >could find them. > >Please, somebody find or make a substitute part. Perhaps one of you can open up your unit, look at the encoder, and see what the manufacturer and part number is? FWIW, in the vortex service manual this part is described as: SW, RTY, BCD, 16POS, 17.5MM That probably means it is a rotary encoder using "BCD" style encoding (Binary Coded Decimal), it has 16 positions, and the shaft is 17.5mm long. That should be enough to find a similar part. It may be very simple to go buy them from an electronics distributor if you know the mfr/part#, or find an alternate source just from the part description if the original is not made any longer. Rotary encoders are fairly common parts. Do a google search and you may find it. If we figure out where to get them, we can put the details on the Looper's Delight web pages for vortex/jamman to help others. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 01:55:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C7003BF05; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 01:55:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050911184850.0531a750@annihilist.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:55:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: memorial service honoring Richard Zvonar Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 01:55:40 +0000 (UTC) Hi Everybody- I just received a message from Dorie Griggs, Richard Zvonar's sister. She wanted to let us know that a memorial gathering is being held for Richard on October 2 in Los Angeles by the American Composers Forum. Details are posted here: http://www.composers.la/events.asp#anchor1 It says: "Memorial Service Honoring Richard Zvonar Sunday October 2nd from 4-7pm acf/LA will be hosting a memorial house concert gathering honoring Richard Zvonar. As many of you know, Richard was a vital part of this organization and his absence is felt by all. There will be live and recorded performances highlighting Richards career, and guests from a wide swath of his fascinating life." If you are interested in attending, the email address given for further details is acf@composers.la kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 02:19:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C6E83BEF8; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 02:19:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.54.229.220] X-Originating-Email: [blackface@hotmail.co.uk] X-Sender: blackface@hotmail.co.uk In-Reply-To: From: "phill wilson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My Effects pedal dream Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 02:19:45 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Sep 2005 02:19:45.0380 (UTC) FILETIME=[71227240:01C5B740] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 02:19:47 +0000 (UTC) Thanks to you all for your comments. I have combined my answers into this one mail-box friendly packet!! 1. David- Ta for the concern, maybe I am a young hick but my edp has always lived on the floor , it used to just sit on the stage floor so I guess my little EDP thinks its in heaven with a whole 1/4 inch of ground clearanceJ basically the edp is anchored at the sides to the left hand side of the board and a middle support. Round the back is a big powerstrip for all my plug, so if beer does go on it I’ll have more to worry about then the edp!! Point taken though, I may as some point make a back for the whole shebang with angled slats for ventilation. 2. Todd- From a standing position I can still see the readout over the top of my edp controller, so far so good with regard to that. (although I got caught out with my homebrew controller which dosn’t have any notation of buttons when I accidentally stopped the whole loop rather then going into reverse, I looked but silly!!). Again this may make some of you shudder, but when the EDP sat on the floor I often ended up putting some stomp box on top of it to save room, therefore I had a good idea of the height I would be able to use live. If you are thinking of making a two layer board I would surgest raiding your bookshelf and making various layouts with steps using books just ot get a feel for what you can manage with. For me this is the better of two evils as all my effects used to be in one long row leading to some monty-python esque leg movements to trigger my OC-3 and remain singing in the mike! Two levels rock!! Although I should again warn, think of where the mike stand legs will go when you design, this has taken a bit of figuring out for me, I now have it set at the far back right corner and the boom arm extended fully coming diagonally up, (not totally attractive) as for putting the whole thing inside something the duvet-cover cover is working for me as it is light and can just be unzipped and curled under the edges. Some of he gigs I get have litrally a 3minute setup rule so this is important if you have a good bag, build to that size spec, one less thing to worry about. Go for it!! 3.Ted. At the mo I am using tap tempo rather then midi synch as I can be very choosy about where I use the beat synch stuff and its hard to just turn it off mid song. However at home I have tried both, I found both work for different applications. If a beat synch is important in the first loop, obviously it has to be set by the Linn to the edp but if you intend to start with non synch stuff then suddenly drop in a Arpeggio or something (my fav way) the an edp master works great. Be carful about the 8th settings though as they can interact with stuff really weirdly, for instance on a four beat bar at 120bmp the delay effects sounded great, but I switched to chorus and of course I got a mushy wobble!! 4.Tim. What can I say, the bitrman rules!!! I loop an acoustic and I actually had a guy wander to right infront of the mike and get down on his knees to watch the pedals as I summoned some deamon-from-hell for the grand-finally (god I love that ring mod!!) anyway thanks to you all Phill _________________________________________________________________ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 02:22:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E4A83BF00; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 02:22:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-13-8156280 Message-Id: <3519c38f2cc081205da2b3f84bd772ce@bartholomusic.com> From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: My Effects pedal dream Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 21:22:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 66.226.64.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 02:22:12 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-13-8156280 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed i built one myself. its an AB on steroids. it routes 4 ins to 2 outs. 2 of the ins are assumed to be elec gtr and the other 2, acoustic. the footswitch, when depressed repeatedly, cycles through each of the gtr inputs. if its either 1 or 2, they're routed to output 1. if 3 or 4, they're routed to output 2. the box has 2 other jacks. send and return. u could guess where im going from here. output 1 is hooked up to my trusty tube amp. output 2 could be sent to either a direct box routed to the mixing console or directly to an acoustic amp. but no matter which of the 4 inputs is chosen, they all are routed through the send/return. THATS THE KEY. this way i use my pedal board for acoustic or electric. very convenient. the tuner for instance can be used for the acoustic. delay and chorus stuff can be used on the acoustic. and all the while, im secure that the correct gtr is routed to the correct output. put down my les paul, pickup my acoustic, step on the switch twice and im ready to go. i even outfitted the box with an LED counter showing the number of the chosen input. it goes from 0 through 3 though. not 1 - 4. and its TRANSPARENT BLUE. sweeet. ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 11, 2005, at 1:12 PM, phill wilson wrote: > Hi all, its been a while. > > I have finally finished the floorboard of my dreams!! see pics here > > http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/phillwilson_uk/ > detail?.dir=14c4&.dnm=1c8f.jpg&.src=ph > > I have also found that using one of those storage bags for putting > duvets under your bed makes a great carry bag to stop leads and the > like falling out during transit. It has already been dubed the > Body-bag setup by my local nightclub owner. > > anyways, I have had a new idea for an effects pedal. It is a > mechanical effect similar to an A/B box rather then one involving > component electronics. what I am looking for is someone from this list > with the relevent knowlege who I could run through my idea with. > > Sorry if I am being a little vague, basically if you have moded a > pedal before I imagine you would know enough to help me. I have tried > doing this alone using logical reasoning, but Im getting some awful > buzzes and not a lot of success. > > Thanks to anyone who can spare the time. > > Phill > > _________________________________________________________________ > Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free > newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters > --Apple-Mail-13-8156280 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII i built one myself. its an AB on steroids. it routes 4 ins to 2 outs. 2 of the ins are assumed to be elec gtr and the other 2, acoustic. the footswitch, when depressed repeatedly, cycles through each of the gtr inputs. if its either 1 or 2, they're routed to output 1. if 3 or 4, they're routed to output 2. the box has 2 other jacks. send and return. u could guess where im going from here. output 1 is hooked up to my trusty tube amp. output 2 could be sent to either a direct box routed to the mixing console or directly to an acoustic amp. but no matter which of the 4 inputs is chosen, they all are routed through the send/return. THATS THE KEY. this way i use my pedal board for acoustic or electric. very convenient. the tuner for instance can be used for the acoustic. delay and chorus stuff can be used on the acoustic. and all the while, im secure that the correct gtr is routed to the correct output. put down my les paul, pickup my acoustic, step on the switch twice and im ready to go. i even outfitted the box with an LED counter showing the number of the chosen input. it goes from 0 through 3 though. not 1 - 4. and its TRANSPARENT BLUE. sweeet. ___7979,0404,0909 Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 11, 2005, at 1:12 PM, phill wilson wrote: Hi all, its been a while. I have finally finished the floorboard of my dreams!! see pics here http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/phillwilson_uk/detail?.dir=14c4&.dnm=1c8f.jpg&.src=ph I have also found that using one of those storage bags for putting duvets under your bed makes a great carry bag to stop leads and the like falling out during transit. It has already been dubed the Body-bag setup by my local nightclub owner. anyways, I have had a new idea for an effects pedal. It is a mechanical effect similar to an A/B box rather then one involving component electronics. what I am looking for is someone from this list with the relevent knowlege who I could run through my idea with. Sorry if I am being a little vague, basically if you have moded a pedal before I imagine you would know enough to help me. I have tried doing this alone using logical reasoning, but Im getting some awful buzzes and not a lot of success. Thanks to anyone who can spare the time. Phill _________________________________________________________________ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters --Apple-Mail-13-8156280-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 02:34:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 592173BF04; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 02:34:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" Subject: The PiNG presents Wendy Atkinson with David Lester + Syntax Error Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:35:44 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000801c5b742$ad2513e0$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: <6J2Ec.A.Z6E.ClOJDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 02:34:43 +0000 (UTC) THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tues. Sept. 13th - Wendy Atkinson with David Lester + Syntax Error A musical collaboration between guitarist David Lester of Mecca Normal and experimental solo bassist Wendy Atkinson. An instrumental bass and guitar duo playing music that varies from ambient to dreamy pop to lush film-like scores. They are in the final stages of recording their debut CD to be released next year. Wendy Atkinson's debut CD "Trim" was a bass-only album that included electric, acoustic and double bass. She created a recording that is atmospheric and vivid using only this one instrument, an instrument that is generally relegated to the rhythmic background of most music. http://www.tinforest.com/tinfr/wendyatkinson/ David Lester is the guitar player for the underground rock duo Mecca Normal. He is also an artist whose work has appeared in Bananafish, Broken Pencil and his cartoons appear regularly in the San Diego Reader. David's book "The Gruesome Acts of Capitalism" will be published this winter by Arbeiter. Like Wendy, David lives in Vancouver BC. http://mecca_normal.tripod.com/ Opening the night, Syntax Error plan an improvised set plus live versions of 2 of their released tracks using computers & controllers, mixers, a rack full of patchbays/fx and an electric toothbrush. Beginning abstract and ambient they'll evolve into a more rhythmic second half of their set - both 'pretty' and dark. 'Chilling'... but not quite 'chilled out'. www.thesyntaxerrorproject.com Between Sets CD - "Dreamtime Return - disc 2" by Steve Roach Ranging from deep ambient to ritualistic tribal rhythms and chant this classic album still sounds like a transmission from the near future and the very distant past." http://www.steveroach.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday September 20th - PiNG AMBiENCE 3 - LiVE featuring Paul Royes, Phil Ogison and Joe G . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ||: IN THE LOOP :|| by Luna Tek It was a day for fresh beginnings: another school year for me and the kickoff of the Worthy Records fall concert series. Scheduled for the first Tuesday of every month, the September 6 Worthy showcase featured Weird State Inbetween (Anne Sulikowski and Scott Johnson) and The London Apartments from Windsor, ON. The show began with Weird State Inbetween. Enveloping the PiNG audience in their quirky world of luscious soundwalls, Anne and Scott were busy onstage ramping up the effects and maintaining a fever pitch of improvisational intensity. The London Apartments brought up the rear with a gorgeous set of songs. Wistful lyrics and pretty instrumentals lulled TAP crowd into a state of late night bliss. With General Chaos Visuals creating dreamy atmospherics on the screen behind them, The London Apartments secured a new fan base in TO. As Anne Sulikowski pointed out, it's impossible not to enjoy the "space lullabies" created by this talented duo. i POP PiNG magazine is in production and looking fabulous. A range of contributions from a diverse group of artists has made the editorial process a real delight. Look for a preview issue at Word on the Street later this month & check back here for more details about the official i POP PiNG launch this fall. Luna Tek - luna@theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Uncertain Futures and Fading Pasts" by Angelmark I like beautiful things, things that make me stop and appreciate the world around me, things that give me pause to think and wonder. "Uncertain Futures and Fading Pasts" is the second disc by Michael Turner's solo project Angelmark and it is undoubtedly a beautiful collection of music that inspires the stop, appreciate, pause, think and wonder response in me. "Equipoise" opens the disc with a repeated melody slowly gaining strength and volume, drifting into a more pronounced lead line that dances and floats around the same melodic ideal. A steady rhythm guitar plays underneath as lines blend and blur with each other leading into a gradual dissolve of sounds. It's a stunning opening, something wonderful. "Mam Tor" vibrates and oscillates with a beautiful intensity. A background drone provides accompaniment and a sense of movement that suggests displacement, relocation. It's a very evocative piece, surprisingly effective given it's minimalist nature. The third track "Fleeting Moment..." has a strong cinematic quality to it, suggesting rebirth and reawakening. I like this one, it has a serenity and grace that appeals to the optimist in me. Track four "Wintermute" is a stunningly beautiful piece, a delicate guitar melody that weaves in and out through a cascade of chiming bells and enveloping rhythm work. It's a truly wonderful piece that spirals and dances through the ether, and it's only fault is that it ends too soon. "Others Distant" follows a similar form, a minimal bass line anchoring a droning wall of guitar, a sense of oblique motion, drifting amongst stars. I wonder if this and "Wintermute" are flipsides of the same coin? They certainly complement each other well... "Unseen" has a sense of tension and displacement to it, nothing so harsh as to be unsettling, but definitely an anxious feeling about it. Guitar notes throughout the track feel choked and forced and background drones try to gain shape and form, but never quite succeed. It has a sense of claustrophobia to it, something uncomfortable. And yet despite all of that, it still has a feeling of beauty and charm about it. Lovely work. "Twilight World" offers some relief from the claustrophobia of "Unseen", soft shapes and forms growing underneath swirling backdrops and soothing lead lines. It's something beautiful and shoegazerish, something that a Slowdive or Cocteaus fan would adore, something that would be right at home in a film with Rose McGowan and Johnathan Schaech driving through the desert. Powerful. "Flowers Washed Down By the Rain" closes the disc, a minimal piece employing solemn piano and sweeping guitar playing overtop the steady sound of rain. A very nice environment is created in this one, something very lush and full, while maintaining a delicate quality, a sense of fragility. Very nice. Over the course of these nine songs, Turner creates a beautiful and magical environment for the listener to discover. His sense of space and production is impeccable and his ability to develop and expand on melody is outstanding. Certainly "Uncertain Futures and Fading Pasts" is a release by an artist at the top of his game, and certainly deserves repeated listening and further exploration. Michael Turner is one of many artists who have generously offered to donate all earnings from the sale of their CDs through ping things for the month of September to the American Red Cross (less taxes & shipping costs) in an effort to raise money for Hurricane relief efforts. Please visit http://www.pingthings.com to find out more. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 03:14:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1C113BEFE; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 03:14:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.au; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gcO/tr4SNd3sgtekHKeRtBjYDs4LvS8/UdZa7JqespUiQVL3oAbJqkNa5l0Ig+QMPCDBn0TYCinCIX0JPLksm55yb+GI0ep4A8BM72WX2HWYL8HuKEf6bXsrJY4bX6npZ/InRvRmuL9+9884CnXBj2jG2g3vpCZ5h/tabx1FFRU= ; Message-ID: <20050912031355.89998.qmail@web33204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 13:13:55 +1000 (EST) From: Daniel Varricchio Subject: edp schematics: request To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050910215715.2583E3BEF4@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1998154427-1126494835=:89014" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 03:14:02 +0000 (UTC) --0-1998154427-1126494835=:89014 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Paul, May I also put in a request for a copy of those EDP schematics you have? I too have an early model Gibson EDP which sometimes likes to do strange things, and since I'm far away from any sort of technical assistance (being in Australia), those schems could be very handy to have around. Thanks in advance, daniel klangfarben9@yahoo.com.au Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 16:35:54 -0400 From: paul To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: edp schematics Thanks to all of you who made suggestions on my edp not booting up problem. I now have the oberhiem edp schematics and the problem turned out to be a 5 volt regulator, that was inexpensive to replace. My unit is an early (beige model) gibson edp and it is the same as the oberhiem, I'm not sure if its any different in the new models or not. I've passed the schematics on to a few of you, and will be happy to email them to anyone else that can use them. All the best, Paul Haslem --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! 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Hello Paul,

May I also put in a request for a copy of those EDP schematics you have? I too have an early model Gibson EDP which sometimes likes to do strange things, and since I'm far away from any sort of technical assistance (being in Australia), those schems could be very handy to have around.

Thanks in advance,

daniel

klangfarben9@yahoo.com.au


Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 16:35:54 -0400
From: paul <phaslem@wightman.ca>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: edp schematics

Thanks to all of you who made suggestions on my edp not booting up problem.

I now have the oberhiem edp schematics and the problem turned out to be a 5 volt regulator, that was inexpensive to replace. My unit is an early (beige model) gibson edp and it is the same as the oberhiem, I'm not sure if its any different in the new models or not. I've passed the schematics on to a few of you, and will be happy to email them to anyone else that can use them.

All the best,

Paul Haslem

Do you Yahoo!?
The New Yahoo! Movies: Check out the Latest Trailers, Premiere Photos and full Actor Database. --0-1998154427-1126494835=:89014-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 04:34:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8D863BEF7; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 04:34:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050911212128.04e89648@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 21:34:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: multiply -> reverse question In-Reply-To: <4321BC7A.6080608@speakeasy.net> References: <4321BC7A.6080608@speakeasy.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 04:34:42 +0000 (UTC) At 09:46 AM 9/9/2005, Dennis Montgomery wrote: > I went back to the EDP manual to learn some new 'multiply' tricks last > night. I was trying the alternative ending of following a multiply with > reverse (described on page 5-33) but couldn't get it to work. I'd go > into multiply mode and hit reverse, but the multiply would just keep > running adding new cycles. I tried triggering both from the footswitch > and my midi controller but no go. Other multiply alternate endings were > working for me just fine. Any ideas? Hi Dennis- I could tell you that "it works fine here" but that may not help you much, other than to let you know that it is possible to do what you want to do. Perhaps you can tell us some more about what parameters you have set, which version of Loop are you using (LoopIV, LoopIII v5.0, something older, etc.)? This will help a lot to get your problem sorted out. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 04:44:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8952B3BF00; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 04:44:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <7817d4874277ba83054093edd3bcc17c@bartholomusic.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-16637490 From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: ableton question Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 23:43:29 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 66.226.64.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 04:44:04 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-16637490 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed i would like to setup ableton to use in my live show triggering samples while synced to EDP. how do i set it up so i could select/load songs into ableton remotely from my FCB1010? do i have to use scenes as songs? id prefer not to and use it as it was intended...scenes as scenes WITHIN a song. i dont want to have to manually load songs into ableton while im trying to perform. ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS --Apple-Mail-1-16637490 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII i would like to setup ableton to use in my live show triggering samples while synced to EDP. how do i set it up so i could select/load songs into ableton remotely from my FCB1010? do i have to use scenes as songs? id prefer not to and use it as it was intended...scenes as scenes WITHIN a song. i dont want to have to manually load songs into ableton while im trying to perform. ___7979,0404,0909 Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS --Apple-Mail-1-16637490-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 04:54:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 082BF3BEF8; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 04:54:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: ableton question Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 00:54:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C5B734.996F5580" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcW3VJqrcjUJfnJTT5mxi3F0m0qxmAAAKyRQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <7817d4874277ba83054093edd3bcc17c@bartholomusic.com> Message-Id: <20050912045435.8D3D83BEF5@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-hyLkD.A.7jB.MoQJDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 04:54:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C5B734.996F5580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Although I haven't tried it, live 5 let's you access song markers remotely as well as scenes. That way, you could have one long song as your whole set, each with it's own tempo, etc. think of it as a medley. This allows you to keep scenes as scenes. _____ From: Adrian Bartholomew [mailto:adrian@bartholomusic.com] Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 12:43 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ableton question i would like to setup ableton to use in my live show triggering samples while synced to EDP. how do i set it up so i could select/load songs into ableton remotely from my FCB1010? do i have to use scenes as songs? id prefer not to and use it as it was intended...scenes as scenes WITHIN a song. i dont want to have to manually load songs into ableton while im trying to perform. ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C5B734.996F5580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Although I haven’t tried it, = live 5 let’s you access song markers remotely as well as scenes. That = way, you could have one long song as your whole set, each with it’s own = tempo, etc. think of it as a medley. This allows you to keep scenes as = scenes.

 

From: = Adrian Bartholomew [mailto:adrian@bartholomusic.com]
Sent: Monday, September = 12, 2005 12:43 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: ableton = question

 

i would like to setup ableton to use in my live show triggering = samples while synced to EDP.

how do i set it up so i could select/load songs into ableton remotely = from my FCB1010?
do i have to use scenes as songs? id prefer not to and use it as it was intended...scenes as scenes WITHIN a song.

i dont want to have to manually load songs into ableton while im trying = to perform.
___
Adrian Bartholomew
Leawood KS

------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C5B734.996F5580-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 05:00:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F89A3BF04; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 05:00:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4212769.1126501256614.JavaMail.root@ccprodapp21> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 01:00:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Devine Reply-To: Thomas Devine To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re[2]: My Effects pedal dream Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: CC Mailer IV 3.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 05:00:57 +0000 (UTC) Phill, You can use this case to store your rack and then all you have to do is open it up and use it! Anvil cases are used by the best musicians in the business. Here is a link to a picture of it. http://www.cases2go.com/catpages/Anvil/about_anvil_cases.asp_Q_id_E_254 Best Regards, Tom Devine On Sep 11, 2005, at 1:12 PM, phill wilson wrote: > Hi all, its been a while. > > I have finally finished the floorboard of my dreams!! see pics here > > http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/phillwilson_uk/ > detail?.dir=14c4&.dnm=1c8f.jpg&.src=ph > > I have also found that using one of those storage bags for putting > duvets under your bed makes a great carry bag to stop leads and the > like falling out during transit. It has already been dubed the > Body-bag setup by my local nightclub owner. > > anyways, I have had a new idea for an effects pedal. It is a > mechanical effect similar to an A/B box rather then one involving > component electronics. what I am looking for is someone from this list > with the relevent knowlege who I could run through my idea with. > > Sorry if I am being a little vague, basically if you have moded a > pedal before I imagine you would know enough to help me. I have tried > doing this alone using logical reasoning, but Im getting some awful > buzzes and not a lot of success. > > Thanks to anyone who can spare the time. > > Phill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 05:16:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCBEC3BF07; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 05:16:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050911214747.050ef838@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:16:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: My EDP Multiply Technique In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.0.14.2.20050908101531.01ec0948@mail.wightman.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 05:16:53 +0000 (UTC) Hi Phill- At 11:24 AM 9/11/2005, phill wilson wrote: >just wanted to share a technique of sorts that I found almost my accident. great! I love to hear people sharing there techniques and discoveries! >Well, basically what has often happened when I have been playing this song >is thatthe wash notes have become kind of cloudy as they have been added, >so that by the time I have got to playing the strummed and picked bits it >is very difficly to get the precise time of my loop. > >Enter my new EDP setup. What I ended up doing (at first by accident) is >starting a multiply each time I faded up a new note to add to the pad >clusters then ended at the point I thought was rythimcally correct >(goverened in a loose sense be the singing) with record thus redefining >the loop. Ah, wonderful! I'm glad to see you found this useful. This is the function we call "Unrounded Multiply". It is a really useful looping technique, as you discovered. We created it pretty much for the exact reasons you are using it. Oftentimes loops start without a distinct rhythm. When you later introduce a rhythm to the loop, it may not naturally fit with the loop length. In a looper that lacks the flexibility to redefine loop lengths on the fly, this can create a big problem in performance. So we came up with the idea of redefining the loop length as you add to it with Multiply. In this way, you tap Multiply when you wish to start the new rhythmic phrase you are adding to the loop. This creates the new StartPoint of the loop. You play the phrase as you naturally feel it, for however long it needs to go on, and at the end you tap Record to end the Multiply. Ending any sort of recording process with Record sets a new end point and starts things looping, and that is what happens here. The Record press ends the loop at that point and sets the loop endpoint there, and the new loop begins repeating seamlessly. What is really nice about this is your new phrase can be longer or shorter than your original loop. If it is longer, the original loop just keeps multiplying underneath. If it is shorter, the original is truncated according to where you put the new start and stop points. You don't even need to look at the display or think about startpoints or endpoints or cycles or anything! Just as you are doing, when you start playing, tap Multiply. When you end tap Record. Very intuitive. You can keep your eyes closed and look intense, or keep looking at the cute girls in the front row, or keep singing, or whatever. No geeky screen gazing necessary. >The last time I played this song I redefined the loop pretty much at every >other pass until I got all the parts laid down. What I ended up with was a >loop that stayed constantly rythmically correct in relation to my singing, >but developed a very interesting glitch at the start once multiple >redefinitions had been done. > >Im thinking the next step for me may be to try starting the remultiply at >other points such as on the second chord and see what this distribution of >loop-point-redefinition-glitches sounds like. Keep exploring it, sounds like you are onto something! >anyways, this may all be old hat to everyone else, or completly useless, >but I just got in from a gig and was stoked with the results of a cool >accident!! These are all new ideas thrown out there, how they really get used is still evolving. So keep it up, you may really take it somewhere new. Let us hear what you do! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 05:40:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD49D3BF0A; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 05:40:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <432514E2.8030501@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 07:40:50 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ableton question References: <7817d4874277ba83054093edd3bcc17c@bartholomusic.com> In-Reply-To: <7817d4874277ba83054093edd3bcc17c@bartholomusic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 05:40:53 +0000 (UTC) Hello Adrian, you can do both - scenes for each part of a song, *and* multiple songs. Remember, Live lets you have hundreds of scenes if you need it. So for instance, a set with 2 songs can be arranged like this: Scene 1: Song 1 intro Scene 2: Song 1 A Scene 3: Song 1 B Scene 4: Song 1 outro Scene 5: Song 2 intro ....etc. Best, Andreas .................. Adrian Bartholomew wrote: > i would like to setup ableton to use in my live show triggering > samples while synced to EDP. > > how do i set it up so i could select/load songs into ableton remotely > from my FCB1010? > do i have to use scenes as songs? id prefer not to and use it as it > was intended...scenes as scenes WITHIN a song. > > i dont want to have to manually load songs into ableton while im > trying to perform. > ___* > Adrian Bartholomew > *Leawood KS From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 07:28:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CCA63BF04; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 07:28:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001801c5b76b$8ab97200$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <20050908212857.47092.qmail@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20050908212857.47092.qmail@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3.0.6.32.20050910153202.00a3ca80@pop.mindspring.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20050911182855.050090c8@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: lexicon boxes (to kim) Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 09:28:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 07:28:13 +0000 (UTC) snipp > > If we figure out where to get them, we can put the details on the Looper's > Delight web pages for vortex/jamman to help others. > > kim > as the pmc10 schematics you promissed to scan this spring :-) Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 07:53:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82ABB3BF06; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 07:53:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050912004624.1051de58@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 00:53:29 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: lexicon boxes (to kim) In-Reply-To: <001801c5b76b$8ab97200$0400000a@mini> References: <20050908212857.47092.qmail@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20050908212857.47092.qmail@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <3.0.6.32.20050910153202.00a3ca80@pop.mindspring.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20050911182855.050090c8@loopers-delight.com> <001801c5b76b$8ab97200$0400000a@mini> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 07:53:35 +0000 (UTC) At 12:28 AM 9/12/2005, Claude Voit wrote: >snipp >> >>If we figure out where to get them, we can put the details on the >>Looper's Delight web pages for vortex/jamman to help others. >> >>kim > >as the pmc10 schematics you promissed to scan this spring > >:-) ha, yes keep up the pressure Claude! The pmc-10 schematic is sitting here in front of me. Since I'm busy right now I asked my gf to do the scanning, and she says she will. If she does really do it you may need to get her a nice gift. :-) kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 08:34:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DD303BF06; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 08:34:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5F9b92UWZckMf/Dj68kaQZWU1Y4nIgumLs4b6AZ6eLpHs9qqD/BTmry8vc3k7N/ZENLLo1OznGTTwEM2Yxy/SGXFLJIBOswW6mtvdOp4FL7OPAH6dvtHaMPMawDkmCO6MPgVx9r6aN2XK+7pfOqsik1BUWfPvYM72pubHrwDzpI= ; Message-ID: <20050912083420.8494.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 01:34:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Dear RED STATES To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 08:34:22 +0000 (UTC) This sounds great if you dont mind i am coming with you;-! > Dear Red States... > > We've decided we're leaving. 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We get > two-thirds of the tax revenue, > you get to make the red states pay their fair share. > > Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower > than the Christian > Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You > get a bunch of single > moms. > > Please be aware that the new country will be > pro-choice and anti-war, and > we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq > at once. If you need > people to fight, ask your politicians and > evangelicals. They have kids > they're apparently willing to send to their deaths > for no purpose, and they > don't care if you don't show pictures of their > children's caskets coming > home. We do wish you success in Iraq, and hope that > the WMDs turn up, but > we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's > Quagmire. > > With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm > control of 80 percent of the > country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the > pineapple and lettuce, 92 > percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of > America's quality wines > (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90 > percent of all cheese, 90 > percent of the high tech industry, most of the U.S. > low-sulfur coal, all > living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy > and Seven Sister schools, > plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT. > > With the Red States, on the other hand, you will > have to cope with 88 > percent of all obese Americans (and their projected > health care costs), 92 > percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent > of the tornadoes, 90 > percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all > Southern Baptists, virtually > 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, > Bob Jones University, > Clemson and the University of Georgia. > > Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states > believe Jonah was > actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe > life is sacred unless > we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44 > percent say that > evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam > was involved in 9/11, and > 61 percent of you crazy bastards believe you are > people with high morals. > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 08:40:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2033E3BF16; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 08:40:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: BBC Documentary Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 03:40:49 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 08:40:52 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 10, 2005, at 2:27 PM, Joey wrote: > For anyone interested there is a really good BBC doc on the > alt.binaries.multimedia.documentaries newsgroup titled "Alchemists Of > Sound" which chronicles the BBC Radiophonic Workshop. Has some or try to get the ISO image that's 2 gig. looks great. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 09:11:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 761BF3BF0D; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 09:11:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Sa2BZnQImwBGAB8aa142S2Ol0N8b9vFs7uOX3Gmf6bvpBBQxdR4SRevFQWMytrTzADxu4tyDosUvRWMFD/y2A5JZ3fuqcFsGCpqsmlgpA5Wi6xlSMgnXLKe18QHdpMe11sU8ND+b9kAGnae0ccz3rCmOl/2l//GHE9d5GkC0BrQ= ; Message-ID: <20050912091107.33150.qmail@web25310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:11:07 +0100 (BST) From: Stuart Masters Subject: unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-842199604-1126516267=:29760" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 09:11:10 +0000 (UTC) --0-842199604-1126516267=:29760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit unsubscribe --------------------------------- To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! 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Security Centre. --0-842199604-1126516267=:29760-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 09:30:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4769D3BF06; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 09:30:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: BBC Documentary Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 11:30:02 +0200 Message-ID: <00a901c5b77c$90571120$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: <_Ou2q.A.fCD.pqUJDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 09:30:18 +0000 (UTC) Is this still in that newsgroup? I don't have access to newsgroups but a friend of mine does. He didn't find that documentary, though. So if you could give more details about this that might help. Thank you Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Suit & Tie Guy [mailto:erwill@suitandtieguy.com] > Sent: Montag, 12. September 2005 10:41 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: BBC Documentary > > On Sep 10, 2005, at 2:27 PM, Joey wrote: > > For anyone interested there is a really good BBC doc on the > > alt.binaries.multimedia.documentaries newsgroup titled "Alchemists Of > > Sound" which chronicles the BBC Radiophonic Workshop. Has some > > or try to get the ISO image that's 2 gig. looks great. > > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 10:06:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BB323BF06; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:06:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,99,1125874800"; d="scan'208"; a="16607730:sNHT39165924" Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050912101826.02db61c0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 11:00:01 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: lexicon boxes encoders In-Reply-To: <20050912045437.5CB893BF07@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050912045437.5CB893BF07@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:06:27 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for helping with this Kim, >Perhaps one of you can open up your unit, look at the encoder, and >see what the manufacturer and part number is? 280S0041 9344 no manufacturer visible. the JamMan encoders are the same device with a similar number 280S0041 9408 >FWIW, in the vortex service manual this part is described as: >SW, RTY, BCD, 16POS, 17.5MM > >That probably means it is a rotary encoder using "BCD" style >encoding (Binary Coded Decimal), it has 16 positions, and the shaft >is 17.5mm long. That should be enough to find a similar part. I'd figured 4-bit grey code absolute encoder. So this is very useful info. BCD isn't an obvious choice (unless it's directly driving the numeric display) but as there are 6 pins coming out of the device it's got to be right. ( 1-16 takes 5 bits in BCD ) >It may be very simple to go buy them from an electronics distributor >if you know the mfr/part#, or find an alternate source just from the >part description if the original is not made any longer. Rotary >encoders are fairly common parts. Do a google search and you may find it. I tried, but none of the suppliers I could find who deal with the public seemed to have anything. >If we figure out where to get them, we can put the details on the >Looper's Delight web pages for vortex/jamman to help others. Yes, it would be great to find an answer to this one. Maybe Lexicon ordered a batch to their specification, and now they're all gone, so there isn't a standard component to buy . What would be the likely minimum order from a manufacturer? >kim andy butler www.andybutler.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 13:14:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74EFA3BEFB; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 13:14:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CKcUVMnmavCJKdfrRsvczz3d41om5ZwgY1MVsPPTjnZ5aofcIVDPLKudWIVG5WKJWP94o1MiN0OSKSFhbPWjPnKmSJcd3ZXkIPrvzbF3gVrMq+Kj40mBSL3XqLKuPnEsxkcWDWfm3C+DLrpU8VZMfjoiuYGkKQ1mOOH4uCo277Q= ; Message-ID: <20050912131428.19729.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 06:14:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: RE: zurich photos To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002401c5b6b5$a24cb8c0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 13:14:30 +0000 (UTC) Hey Bernhard i looked in the yahoo settings and can´t find the reason why your mails are being spamed,i get everyone elses(if anybody knows how to do this let us know) try perhaps sending me from another email adress! are we still on for wednesday? cheers luis --- Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > > ...and I, yesterday. > Some nice shots of James Sidlo, Per Boysen, Bill > Walker, Michael Peters, New > Bag, Rick Walker, Gareth Whittock, André Müller, > Petr Samojský + Nechej, > Simon Grab, Claude Voit, Matthias Grob. > I exceeded my bandwidth, though, because I uploaded > the full resolution, so: > More to come next month! > > Thank you very much, Michael, for setting up the > flickr thingy! > > Bernhard > http://nosuch.biz > http://loopfestival.com/y2k5 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Peters [mailto:mp@mpeters.de] > Sent: Sonntag, 11. September 2005 10:59 > To: Loopers Delight > Subject: RE: zurich photos > > hi Michael, >   > > i know about michael peters' site   > > thanks michael, i love the slide show feature of > the fliker site.....  >   >   > just to make sure, flickr is not "my" site ... I > just posted some photos > there as did Os and Andy and Fabio ... > http://www.flickr.com/groups/13509629@N00/ >   >   > -Michael >   > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 14:27:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59C3D3BEF8; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:27:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:29:43 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Stuart Masters Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <20050912091107.33150.qmail@web25310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20050912091107.33150.qmail@web25310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: <42ikgB.A.J8E.ABZJDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:27:13 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, 12 Sep 2005, Stuart Masters wrote: > unsubscribe As the loop changes to a drone through dint of sheer repetition: From http://www.loopers-delight.com/list/LoopList.html "To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your unsubscribe request to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com Don't send your unsubscribe message to the list, or people will make fun of you and you will feel like a dork." best, Steve B Phasmatodea http;//www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ Fukadugalon http://www.fukadugalon.com/ Audio Arcade, etc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 14:37:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C416D3BF0A; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:37:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <43259245.000014.04020@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 07:35:49 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_PJKP36E1VA4000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <002601c5b4fb$c9c6d810$af704a18@carolina.rr.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:37:53 +0000 (UTC) --------------Boundary-00=_PJKP36E1VA4000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To love America, do I need to love war?=0D =0D Or, is America reserved for people whom share your views? =0D =0D I'm confused by your statements. What are you trying to say? Or, should I not question your rederic? =0D =0D =2E..please enlighten us to war loving Americaism. =0D =0D =0D BEATS NOT BOMBS at MIGHTY in San Francisco a much better way to spend the day!=0D =0D =0D __________________________________=0D You're dead-on, Matthew: this anti-war stuff is the typical, knee-jerk=0D response of far-left-wing America-haters.=0D __________________________________=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_PJKP36E1VA4000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To love America,  do I need to love war?
 
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...please enlighten us to war loving Americaism.
 
 
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response of far-left-wing America-haters.
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--------------Boundary-00=_PJKP36E1VA4000000000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 14:39:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F36813BF06; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:39:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <148.4beb5bbc.3056ed11@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 10:39:13 EDT Subject: Re: Re[2]: My Effects pedal dream To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_148.4beb5bbc.3056ed11_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:39:23 +0000 (UTC) --part1_148.4beb5bbc.3056ed11_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just for the heck of it, Up on eBay there is a picture of the pedalboard (SKB PS-100) that I've been=20 using lately: http://cgi.ebay.com/SKB-PS-100-Pedalboard-with-case_W0QQitemZ7348193272QQcat= eg oryZ41412QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem SKB doesn't make 'em any more. But the fact that it combines a rather=20 generous amount of floor pedal space with 3 full rack spaces plus a power su= pply has=20 been very useful. I don't know the seller, BTW. I just figured doing the search for the image=20 was easier than taking my own photo and posting it somewhere. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn PS. Buy "Flux Aeterna" from CDBaby during the months of September and October and all of my portion of the profits will be automatically donated to the Red Cross by CDBaby specifically for Gulf Coast hurricane relief. "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_148.4beb5bbc.3056ed11_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just for the heck of it,

Up on eBay there is a picture of the pedalboard (SKB PS-100) that I've been=20= using lately:

http://cgi.ebay.com/SKB-PS-100-Pedalboard-with-case_W0QQitemZ7348193272QQcat= egoryZ41412QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

SKB doesn't make 'em any more. But the fact that it combines a rather genero= us amount of floor pedal space with 3 full rack spaces plus a power supply h= as been very useful.

I don't know the seller, BTW. I just figured doing the search for the image=20= was easier than taking my own photo and posting it somewhere.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

PS. Buy "Flux Aeterna" from CDBaby during the months of September
and October and all of my portion of the profits will be automatically
donated to the Red Cross by CDBaby specifically for Gulf Coast
hurricane relief.

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

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http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???
 --part1_148.4beb5bbc.3056ed11_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 14:49:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD5A53BF00; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:49:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: BBC Documentary Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:48:35 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00a901c5b77c$90571120$2101a8c0@alhambra> X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:41:16 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.116.128 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:49:06 +0000 (UTC) > I don't have access to newsgroups but a friend of mine does. He didn't find that documentary, though. So if you could give more details about this that might help. could someone point us to a newsserver that has "alt.binaries.multimedia.documentaries" - mine hasn't although there are lots of binaries groups in there - or to some other source for that file? thanks -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 14:58:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D9DB3BF05; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:58:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0mJE29WMA/XE0l5aBK62+0mubjoZKLQq9U5jwgHCvcz0z/fTj7dQ8BfMFjYLoxgWU1KuaprYjBnqQEjUSdm8kdPsL805UtZrTNMDMqy88QSRA442SPxc6ZHT3lQDYyGcIUmdb7KqPn18VLCTtaOB1v/IVxlipy2n/kiLczksLu0= ; Message-ID: <20050912145808.82674.qmail@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 07:58:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: BassLab Guitars + Basses To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-289421051-1126537087=:81608" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7TCt3.A.U-F.AeZJDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:58:08 +0000 (UTC) --0-289421051-1126537087=:81608 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit http://www.basslab.de Hey...just a short note to mention a great German guitar and bass company I'm working with called BassLab. I'm now going to be promoting them online and now that we are starting to bring in big future endorsers, we expect to find the right investors and launch a major new guitar and bass line which will also feature models that I have designed. It's worth a mention here I think because they are such great guitars and basses and not only are they ultra-cool but are introducing physics-based acoustic technologies light years ahead of everyone else. You can read about this more on the website as well as check out the tone mp3s. This is the real cutting edge. Don't hesitate to email if any questions or for further info. .... Monica --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-289421051-1126537087=:81608 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
 
Hey...just a short note to mention a great German guitar and bass company
I'm working with called BassLab. I'm now going to be promoting them online
and now that we are starting to bring in big future endorsers, we expect to
find the right investors and launch a major new guitar and bass line which
will also feature models that I have designed. It's worth a mention here I think
because they are such great guitars and basses and not only are they
ultra-cool but are introducing physics-based acoustic technologies light years
ahead of everyone else. You can read about this more on the website as
well as check out the tone mp3s. This is the real cutting edge.
Don't hesitate to email if any questions or for further info. ....
Monica
 

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Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-289421051-1126537087=:81608-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 16:19:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 220FF3BEF5; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:19:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=QD4ogV833uwNyYNIU17E6VEuAq6Iou/ueaHCpUm6/zPNkjuv8U2DA7vPx2arC8Bg; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220059112162312850@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:23:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94046fe06e4ec8ce34bfe36429b788869ce350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.146.110 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:19:41 +0000 (UTC) Sounds good, but I'd miss ZZ Top, I'd miss Moon Pies, and besides, I've got a whole passel of red-state relatives who think Dubya is just great. I'm not sure that re-starting the Civil War is the answer. Let's try to understand Bush supporters-- aside from a few cynical plutocrats, most Bush supporters are basically good-hearted folks (like my Mom) who were raised in very socially conservative households and would vote for a bag of popcorn if it ran on a ProLife platform. Anything that even vaguely smells of hippiedom is anathema to them. They would help you if they found you lying in the middle of the road. Your wallet would be safe. They work hard for their families, and they're so busy working their butts off making a living that they really don't have time to read the news. THAT'S KEY. And honestly, they've been underwhelmed by the Democrats' less-than-awesome marketing of less-than-inspiring candidates who kinda lacked charisma, whereas Dubya has this aura that makes ya think he wants to be your drinkin' buddy. It's a gift that not everybody has. Look at Gore. He was a Southerner, a VietNam vet, a sportsman, a genuine bubba, and still the Red States would have none of it. The fact that they chose Captain AWOL over Gore points to feeble Democratic campaigning and, possibly, Al's stiff public persona. Even when you have a good product, ya gotta sell, sell, sell. Ditto for Kerry. A good guy, but you can't afford to shoot yourself in the foot when you are up against the GOP, the best salesmen the world has ever seen. And Kerry did shoot himself in the foot more than a few times. The Red Staters had reasons to vote for Dub. We may not be able to fully comprehend those reasons, but WE CANNOT write these people off as HeeHaw goofballs and inbred haters. You will not win over anybody if you insult them, contrary to what Howard Dean thinks. Resist the urge. Reach out. Try to find some common ground. Sonic Luv, Tim Mungenast > [Original Message] > From: Luis Angulo > To: > Date: 9/12/2005 4:34:22 AM > Subject: Dear RED STATES > > This sounds great if you dont mind i am coming with > you;-! > > > Dear Red States... > > > > We've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our > > own country, and we're > > taking just the Blue States with us. > > > > In case you aren't aware, that includes Hawaii, > > California, Oregon, > > Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois > > and all the Northeast. > > We believe this split will be beneficial to the > > nation, and especially to > > the people of the new country. > > > > To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all > > the slave states. We get > > stem cell research and the best beaches. We get > > Elliot Spitzer. You get Ken > > Lay. > > > > We get the Statue of Liberty. We get Hollywood and > > Yosemite... You get > > Dollywood. We get Intel and Microsoft. You get > > WorldCom and Enron. We get > > Harvard. You get Ole' Miss. We get 85 percent of > > America's venture capital > > and entrepreneurs. You get Alabama. We get > > two-thirds of the tax revenue, > > you get to make the red states pay their fair share. > > > > Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower > > than the Christian > > Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You > > get a bunch of single > > moms. > > > > Please be aware that the new country will be > > pro-choice and anti-war, and > > we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq > > at once. If you need > > people to fight, ask your politicians and > > evangelicals. They have kids > > they're apparently willing to send to their deaths > > for no purpose, and they > > don't care if you don't show pictures of their > > children's caskets coming > > home. We do wish you success in Iraq, and hope that > > the WMDs turn up, but > > we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's > > Quagmire. > > > > With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm > > control of 80 percent of the > > country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the > > pineapple and lettuce, 92 > > percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of > > America's quality wines > > (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90 > > percent of all cheese, 90 > > percent of the high tech industry, most of the U.S. > > low-sulfur coal, all > > living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy > > and Seven Sister schools, > > plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT. > > > > With the Red States, on the other hand, you will > > have to cope with 88 > > percent of all obese Americans (and their projected > > health care costs), 92 > > percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent > > of the tornadoes, 90 > > percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all > > Southern Baptists, virtually > > 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, > > Bob Jones University, > > Clemson and the University of Georgia. > > > > Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states > > believe Jonah was > > actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe > > life is sacred unless > > we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44 > > percent say that > > evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam > > was involved in 9/11, and > > 61 percent of you crazy bastards believe you are > > people with high morals. > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 16:47:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1D133BEF9; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:47:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Dear RED STATES Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:48:56 +0200 Message-ID: <000f01c5b7b9$ddf4ae00$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20050912083420.8494.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <9HtYMB.A.ChC.pEbJDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:47:37 +0000 (UTC) We did have this in Germany some time ago, it was called FRG and GDR... -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Luis Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com]=20 Gesendet: Montag, 12. September 2005 10:34 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Dear RED STATES This sounds great if you dont mind i am coming with you;-! > Dear Red States... >=20 > We've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our > own country, and we're > taking just the Blue States with us. >=20 > In case you aren't aware, that includes Hawaii, > California, Oregon, > Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois > and all the Northeast. > We believe this split will be beneficial to the > nation, and especially to > the people of the new country. >=20 > To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all > the slave states. We get > stem cell research and the best beaches. We get > Elliot Spitzer. You get Ken > Lay. >=20 > We get the Statue of Liberty. We get Hollywood and Yosemite... You get > Dollywood. We get Intel and Microsoft. You get > WorldCom and Enron. We get > Harvard. You get Ole' Miss. We get 85 percent of > America's venture capital > and entrepreneurs. You get Alabama. We get > two-thirds of the tax revenue, > you get to make the red states pay their fair share. >=20 > Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower > than the Christian > Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You > get a bunch of single > moms. >=20 > Please be aware that the new country will be > pro-choice and anti-war, and > we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq > at once. If you need > people to fight, ask your politicians and > evangelicals. They have kids > they're apparently willing to send to their deaths > for no purpose, and they > don't care if you don't show pictures of their > children's caskets coming > home. We do wish you success in Iraq, and hope that > the WMDs turn up, but > we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's > Quagmire. >=20 > With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm > control of 80 percent of the > country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the > pineapple and lettuce, 92 > percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of > America's quality wines > (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90 > percent of all cheese, 90 > percent of the high tech industry, most of the U.S. low-sulfur coal,=20 > all living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy > and Seven Sister schools, > plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT. >=20 > With the Red States, on the other hand, you will > have to cope with 88 > percent of all obese Americans (and their projected > health care costs), 92 > percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent > of the tornadoes, 90 > percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all > Southern Baptists, virtually > 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, > Bob Jones University, > Clemson and the University of Georgia. >=20 > Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states > believe Jonah was > actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe > life is sacred unless > we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44 > percent say that > evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam > was involved in 9/11, and > 61 percent of you crazy bastards believe you are > people with high morals. >=20 www.luis-angulo.com =09 __________________________________=20 Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005=20 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 16:53:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 548903BEE6; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:53:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: I'm actually going toward rackmount stuff Re: T.C. G-system Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:54:37 +0200 Message-ID: <001001c5b7ba$a953d210$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <410-22005911212059650@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:53:19 +0000 (UTC) Tim said: > can do.... And here's the main thing I tell myself....even if I'm going through a SIMULATED tape echo, and a SIMULATED > Plexi Marshall, and a SIMULATED plate reverb, I AM REAL, and that realness will hopefully come through no matter how much > digital sleight of hand I decide to use. That's about the best thing I heard regarding vintage vs. simulated gear! Yes, keep yourself real, that's all that counts. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 16:55:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 996D23BEF5; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:55:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=T6i5w9v13nUoMo29JAQhKEz2IQbxBRT8dG8BT6BaZF7VBdRvxrZR5ADU4rpu3W7xS2vbaPBQfvb0AMMhfQv6wRZT+Z4HQWiZi2YPxNARBEs0krksgS1arBUharFU/bN2yhcYRr+vLiR2bgY/CgY3EmaqgLqRT5oljFYY4cSqcWI= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 09:55:47 -0700 From: Joey Reply-To: tentaclejoe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BBC Documentary In-Reply-To: <00a901c5b77c$90571120$2101a8c0@alhambra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <00a901c5b77c$90571120$2101a8c0@alhambra> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:55:49 +0000 (UTC) Sorry guys, I gave out the wrong newsgroup. It should be alt.binaries.documentaries - I checked the date and it was posted 28 days ago so if you don't have a good retention rate on your server it may be gone by now. If you guys can't get it I'll leave my soulseek client up all day today (until 11pm pacific). My username is TentacleJoe and you can download it from me there. If you are not familiar with soulseek check it out here: http://www.slsknet.org/index.php? On 9/12/05, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > Is this still in that newsgroup? > I don't have access to newsgroups but a friend of mine does. He didn't fi= nd > that documentary, though. So if you could give more details about this th= at > might help. > Thank you > Bernhard >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Suit & Tie Guy [mailto:erwill@suitandtieguy.com] > > Sent: Montag, 12. September 2005 10:41 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: BBC Documentary > > > > On Sep 10, 2005, at 2:27 PM, Joey wrote: > > > For anyone interested there is a really good BBC doc on the > > > alt.binaries.multimedia.documentaries newsgroup titled "Alchemists Of > > > Sound" which chronicles the BBC Radiophonic Workshop. Has some > > > > or try to get the ISO image that's 2 gig. looks great. > > > > --- > > Eric Williamson > > www.suitandtieguy.com >=20 >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 18:41:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D64883BF16; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:41:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <10955759.1126550506429.JavaMail.root@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:41:46 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: mungenast@earthlink.net, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 18:41:47 +0000 (UTC) Bravo Tim, Bravo..........No one could've said this better. -----Original Message----- From: Timothy Mungenast Sent: Sep 12, 2005 10:23 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES Sounds good, but I'd miss ZZ Top, I'd miss Moon Pies, and besides, I've got a whole passel of red-state relatives who think Dubya is just great. I'm not sure that re-starting the Civil War is the answer. Let's try to understand Bush supporters-- aside from a few cynical plutocrats, most Bush supporters are basically good-hearted folks (like my Mom) who were raised in very socially conservative households and would vote for a bag of popcorn if it ran on a ProLife platform. Anything that even vaguely smells of hippiedom is anathema to them. They would help you if they found you lying in the middle of the road. Your wallet would be safe. They work hard for their families, and they're so busy working their butts off making a living that they really don't have time to read the news. THAT'S KEY. And honestly, they've been underwhelmed by the Democrats' less-than-awesome marketing of less-than-inspiring candidates who kinda lacked charisma, whereas Dubya has this aura that makes ya think he wants to be your drinkin' buddy. It's a gift that not everybody has. Look at Gore. He was a Southerner, a VietNam vet, a sportsman, a genuine bubba, and still the Red States would have none of it. The fact that they chose Captain AWOL over Gore points to feeble Democratic campaigning and, possibly, Al's stiff public persona. Even when you have a good product, ya gotta sell, sell, sell. Ditto for Kerry. A good guy, but you can't afford to shoot yourself in the foot when you are up against the GOP, the best salesmen the world has ever seen. And Kerry did shoot himself in the foot more than a few times. The Red Staters had reasons to vote for Dub. We may not be able to fully comprehend those reasons, but WE CANNOT write these people off as HeeHaw goofballs and inbred haters. You will not win over anybody if you insult them, contrary to what Howard Dean thinks. Resist the urge. Reach out. Try to find some common ground. Sonic Luv, Tim Mungenast > [Original Message] > From: Luis Angulo > To: > Date: 9/12/2005 4:34:22 AM > Subject: Dear RED STATES > > This sounds great if you dont mind i am coming with > you;-! > > > Dear Red States... > > > > We've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our > > own country, and we're > > taking just the Blue States with us. > > > > In case you aren't aware, that includes Hawaii, > > California, Oregon, > > Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois > > and all the Northeast. > > We believe this split will be beneficial to the > > nation, and especially to > > the people of the new country. > > > > To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all > > the slave states. We get > > stem cell research and the best beaches. We get > > Elliot Spitzer. You get Ken > > Lay. > > > > We get the Statue of Liberty. We get Hollywood and > > Yosemite... You get > > Dollywood. We get Intel and Microsoft. You get > > WorldCom and Enron. We get > > Harvard. You get Ole' Miss. We get 85 percent of > > America's venture capital > > and entrepreneurs. You get Alabama. We get > > two-thirds of the tax revenue, > > you get to make the red states pay their fair share. > > > > Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower > > than the Christian > > Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You > > get a bunch of single > > moms. > > > > Please be aware that the new country will be > > pro-choice and anti-war, and > > we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq > > at once. If you need > > people to fight, ask your politicians and > > evangelicals. They have kids > > they're apparently willing to send to their deaths > > for no purpose, and they > > don't care if you don't show pictures of their > > children's caskets coming > > home. We do wish you success in Iraq, and hope that > > the WMDs turn up, but > > we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's > > Quagmire. > > > > With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm > > control of 80 percent of the > > country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the > > pineapple and lettuce, 92 > > percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of > > America's quality wines > > (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90 > > percent of all cheese, 90 > > percent of the high tech industry, most of the U.S. > > low-sulfur coal, all > > living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy > > and Seven Sister schools, > > plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT. > > > > With the Red States, on the other hand, you will > > have to cope with 88 > > percent of all obese Americans (and their projected > > health care costs), 92 > > percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent > > of the tornadoes, 90 > > percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all > > Southern Baptists, virtually > > 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, > > Bob Jones University, > > Clemson and the University of Georgia. > > > > Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states > > believe Jonah was > > actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe > > life is sacred unless > > we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44 > > percent say that > > evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam > > was involved in 9/11, and > > 61 percent of you crazy bastards believe you are > > people with high morals. > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 19:11:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A45A3BF0D; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:11:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:11:37 -0400 From: kim galibert Subject: jane says and various bits of wankage (live looping video) In-reply-to: <20050912143924.3081C3BF11@arsenic.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <026901c5b7cd$cca82f00$6f03a8c0@vaio13> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:11:47 +0000 (UTC) a bit of virtual banjo, tiny red toy key-tar, pitch correction software and ableton live are all it takes to make this cover of "jane says": www.iosonic.com/video/janesays.mov (quicktime) www.iosonic.com/video/janesays.wmv (windows media) it is utterly amazing how much wankage you can generate in 8 minutes with live. be well, kim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 19:22:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAD273BF12; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:22:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009101c5b7cf$59099280$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: Subject: Re: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 20:22:41 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:22:30 +0000 (UTC) > From: "Timothy Mungenast" > To: > Sent: Monday, 12 September, 2005 17:23 PM > Subject: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES > > >> Sounds good, but I'd miss ZZ Top, I'd miss Moon Pies, and besides, I've >> got >> a whole passel of red-state relatives who think Dubya is just great. >> I'm not sure that re-starting the Civil War is the answer. >> Let's try to understand Bush supporters-- aside from a few cynical >> plutocrats, most Bush supporters are basically good-hearted folks (like >> my >> Mom) who were raised in very socially conservative households and would >> vote for a bag of popcorn if it ran on a ProLife platform. Anything that >> even vaguely smells of hippiedom is anathema to them. Not really. I'm a Republican but somehow not a raving fundamentalist drone. Whoops, that one doesn't work. Neither does the line being continuously fed through the media about the 2000 and 2004 elections somehow causing a permanent divide in our country. Somehow it only seems to exist in the minds of people who can't um, 'move on'. >> They would help you if they found you lying in the middle of the road. >> Your >> wallet would be safe. They work hard for their families, and they're so >> busy working their butts off making a living that they really don't have >> time to read the news. THAT'S KEY. >> And honestly, they've been underwhelmed by the Democrats' >> less-than-awesome >> marketing of less-than-inspiring candidates who kinda lacked charisma, >> whereas Dubya has this aura that makes ya think he wants to be your >> drinkin' buddy. It's a gift that not everybody has. >> Look at Gore. He was a Southerner, a VietNam vet, a sportsman, a genuine >> bubba, and still the Red States would have none of it. The fact that they >> chose Captain AWOL over Gore points to feeble Democratic campaigning and, >> possibly, Al's stiff public persona. >> Even when you have a good product, ya gotta sell, sell, sell. Ditto for >> Kerry. A good guy, but you can't afford to shoot yourself in the foot >> when >> you are up against the GOP, the best salesmen the world has ever seen. >> And >> Kerry did shoot himself in the foot more than a few times. >> The Red Staters had reasons to vote for Dub. We may not be able to fully >> comprehend those reasons, but WE CANNOT write these people off as HeeHaw >> goofballs and inbred haters. You will not win over anybody if you insult >> them, contrary to what Howard Dean thinks. Resist the urge. Reach out. >> Try >> to find some common ground. >> Sonic Luv, >> Tim Mungenast >> >> >> >> >>> [Original Message] >>> From: Luis Angulo >>> To: >>> Date: 9/12/2005 4:34:22 AM >>> Subject: Dear RED STATES >>> >>> This sounds great if you dont mind i am coming with >>> you;-! >>> >>> > Dear Red States... >>> > >>> > We've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our >>> > own country, and we're >>> > taking just the Blue States with us. >>> > >>> > In case you aren't aware, that includes Hawaii, >>> > California, Oregon, >>> > Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois >>> > and all the Northeast. >>> > We believe this split will be beneficial to the >>> > nation, and especially to >>> > the people of the new country. >>> > >>> > To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all >>> > the slave states. We get >>> > stem cell research and the best beaches. We get >>> > Elliot Spitzer. You get Ken >>> > Lay. >>> > >>> > We get the Statue of Liberty. We get Hollywood and >>> > Yosemite... You get >>> > Dollywood. We get Intel and Microsoft. You get >>> > WorldCom and Enron. We get >>> > Harvard. You get Ole' Miss. We get 85 percent of >>> > America's venture capital >>> > and entrepreneurs. You get Alabama. We get >>> > two-thirds of the tax revenue, >>> > you get to make the red states pay their fair share. >>> > >>> > Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower >>> > than the Christian >>> > Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You >>> > get a bunch of single >>> > moms. >>> > >>> > Please be aware that the new country will be >>> > pro-choice and anti-war, and >>> > we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq >>> > at once. If you need >>> > people to fight, ask your politicians and >>> > evangelicals. They have kids >>> > they're apparently willing to send to their deaths >>> > for no purpose, and they >>> > don't care if you don't show pictures of their >>> > children's caskets coming >>> > home. We do wish you success in Iraq, and hope that >>> > the WMDs turn up, but >>> > we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's >>> > Quagmire. >>> > >>> > With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm >>> > control of 80 percent of the >>> > country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the >>> > pineapple and lettuce, 92 >>> > percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of >>> > America's quality wines >>> > (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90 >>> > percent of all cheese, 90 >>> > percent of the high tech industry, most of the U.S. >>> > low-sulfur coal, all >>> > living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy >>> > and Seven Sister schools, >>> > plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT. >>> > >>> > With the Red States, on the other hand, you will >>> > have to cope with 88 >>> > percent of all obese Americans (and their projected >>> > health care costs), 92 >>> > percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent >>> > of the tornadoes, 90 >>> > percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all >>> > Southern Baptists, virtually >>> > 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, >>> > Bob Jones University, >>> > Clemson and the University of Georgia. >>> > >>> > Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states >>> > believe Jonah was >>> > actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe >>> > life is sacred unless >>> > we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44 >>> > percent say that >>> > evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam >>> > was involved in 9/11, and >>> > 61 percent of you crazy bastards believe you are >>> > people with high morals. >>> > >>> >>> >>> www.luis-angulo.com >>> >>> >>> >>> __________________________________ >>> Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 >>> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 19:28:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E86AE3BEE1; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:28:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0qdZNq87JlEAtdjnpOx5oLU9zG/yOppecr4dj7tgRxyC3fajy5IOFzWHyaA2AexBUFstwtnaDUNQSicwqFocBYgxpjcciH/mmTMxRNPoP54mC5lEqBN8A2JPE5odfScOHYo0xm4AHkKCORhAZvPDiSMeIu+8PhCFMcUZxrAaj0c= ; Message-ID: <20050912192857.33417.qmail@web30511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:28:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: [LOOP] unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:28:58 +0000 (UTC) > Don't send your unsubscribe message to the list, or > people will make fun > of you and you will feel like a dork. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 19:36:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73F7A3BF16; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:36:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <009101c5b7cf$59099280$0207a8c0@eluk1> References: <009101c5b7cf$59099280$0207a8c0@eluk1> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-70230321 Message-Id: <8429888ca3e6cbf4af2acc0b74119ef1@bartholomusic.com> From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:36:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 66.226.64.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:36:47 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-70230321 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 12, 2005, at 2:22 PM, Stephen Goodman wrote: >> From: "Timothy Mungenast" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, 12 September, 2005 17:23 PM >> Subject: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES >> >> >>> Sounds good, but I'd miss ZZ Top, I'd miss Moon Pies, and besides, >>> I've got >>> a whole passel of red-state relatives who think Dubya is just great. >>> I'm not sure that re-starting the Civil War is the answer. >>> Let's try to understand Bush supporters-- aside from a few cynical >>> plutocrats, most Bush supporters are basically good-hearted folks >>> (like my >>> Mom) who were raised in very socially conservative households and >>> would >>> vote for a bag of popcorn if it ran on a ProLife platform. Anything >>> that >>> even vaguely smells of hippiedom is anathema to them. > > Not really. I'm a Republican but somehow not a raving fundamentalist > drone. > Whoops, that one doesn't work. Neither does the line being > continuously fed > through the media about the 2000 and 2004 elections somehow causing a > permanent divide in our country. Somehow it only seems to exist in the > minds of people who can't um, 'move on'. so do u blame the folks who get married and then divorced. the 66% of them? and growing? or do u investigate what the institution itself means in this day and this age? do u question the folks who cant drive properly and who misuse a car out of lack of "car" knowledge or do u recall the car as not fit for the society that drives it? ...cant "move on"???? > >>> They would help you if they found you lying in the middle of the >>> road. Your >>> wallet would be safe. They work hard for their families, and they're >>> so >>> busy working their butts off making a living that they really don't >>> have >>> time to read the news. THAT'S KEY. >>> And honestly, they've been underwhelmed by the Democrats' >>> less-than-awesome >>> marketing of less-than-inspiring candidates who kinda lacked >>> charisma, >>> whereas Dubya has this aura that makes ya think he wants to be your >>> drinkin' buddy. It's a gift that not everybody has. >>> Look at Gore. He was a Southerner, a VietNam vet, a sportsman, a >>> genuine >>> bubba, and still the Red States would have none of it. The fact that >>> they >>> chose Captain AWOL over Gore points to feeble Democratic campaigning >>> and, >>> possibly, Al's stiff public persona. >>> Even when you have a good product, ya gotta sell, sell, sell. Ditto >>> for >>> Kerry. A good guy, but you can't afford to shoot yourself in the >>> foot when >>> you are up against the GOP, the best salesmen the world has ever >>> seen. And >>> Kerry did shoot himself in the foot more than a few times. >>> The Red Staters had reasons to vote for Dub. We may not be able to >>> fully >>> comprehend those reasons, but WE CANNOT write these people off as >>> HeeHaw >>> goofballs and inbred haters. You will not win over anybody if you >>> insult >>> them, contrary to what Howard Dean thinks. Resist the urge. Reach >>> out. Try >>> to find some common ground. >>> Sonic Luv, >>> Tim Mungenast >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> [Original Message] >>>> From: Luis Angulo >>>> To: >>>> Date: 9/12/2005 4:34:22 AM >>>> Subject: Dear RED STATES >>>> >>>> This sounds great if you dont mind i am coming with >>>> you;-! >>>> >>>> > Dear Red States... >>>> > >>>> > We've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our >>>> > own country, and we're >>>> > taking just the Blue States with us. >>>> > >>>> > In case you aren't aware, that includes Hawaii, >>>> > California, Oregon, >>>> > Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois >>>> > and all the Northeast. >>>> > We believe this split will be beneficial to the >>>> > nation, and especially to >>>> > the people of the new country. >>>> > >>>> > To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all >>>> > the slave states. We get >>>> > stem cell research and the best beaches. We get >>>> > Elliot Spitzer. You get Ken >>>> > Lay. >>>> > >>>> > We get the Statue of Liberty. We get Hollywood and >>>> > Yosemite... You get >>>> > Dollywood. We get Intel and Microsoft. You get >>>> > WorldCom and Enron. We get >>>> > Harvard. You get Ole' Miss. We get 85 percent of >>>> > America's venture capital >>>> > and entrepreneurs. You get Alabama. We get >>>> > two-thirds of the tax revenue, >>>> > you get to make the red states pay their fair share. >>>> > >>>> > Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower >>>> > than the Christian >>>> > Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You >>>> > get a bunch of single >>>> > moms. >>>> > >>>> > Please be aware that the new country will be >>>> > pro-choice and anti-war, and >>>> > we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq >>>> > at once. If you need >>>> > people to fight, ask your politicians and >>>> > evangelicals. They have kids >>>> > they're apparently willing to send to their deaths >>>> > for no purpose, and they >>>> > don't care if you don't show pictures of their >>>> > children's caskets coming >>>> > home. We do wish you success in Iraq, and hope that >>>> > the WMDs turn up, but >>>> > we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's >>>> > Quagmire. >>>> > >>>> > With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm >>>> > control of 80 percent of the >>>> > country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the >>>> > pineapple and lettuce, 92 >>>> > percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of >>>> > America's quality wines >>>> > (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90 >>>> > percent of all cheese, 90 >>>> > percent of the high tech industry, most of the U.S. >>>> > low-sulfur coal, all >>>> > living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy >>>> > and Seven Sister schools, >>>> > plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT. >>>> > >>>> > With the Red States, on the other hand, you will >>>> > have to cope with 88 >>>> > percent of all obese Americans (and their projected >>>> > health care costs), 92 >>>> > percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent >>>> > of the tornadoes, 90 >>>> > percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all >>>> > Southern Baptists, virtually >>>> > 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, >>>> > Bob Jones University, >>>> > Clemson and the University of Georgia. >>>> > >>>> > Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states >>>> > believe Jonah was >>>> > actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe >>>> > life is sacred unless >>>> > we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44 >>>> > percent say that >>>> > evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam >>>> > was involved in 9/11, and >>>> > 61 percent of you crazy bastards believe you are >>>> > people with high morals. >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> www.luis-angulo.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> __________________________________ >>>> Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 >>>> http://mail.yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > --Apple-Mail-1-70230321 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII ___7979,0404,0909 Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 12, 2005, at 2:22 PM, Stephen Goodman wrote: From: "Timothy Mungenast" < To: < Sent: Monday, 12 September, 2005 17:23 PM Subject: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES Sounds good, but I'd miss ZZ Top, I'd miss Moon Pies, and besides, I've got a whole passel of red-state relatives who think Dubya is just great. I'm not sure that re-starting the Civil War is the answer. Let's try to understand Bush supporters-- aside from a few cynical plutocrats, most Bush supporters are basically good-hearted folks (like my Mom) who were raised in very socially conservative households and would vote for a bag of popcorn if it ran on a ProLife platform. Anything that even vaguely smells of hippiedom is anathema to them. Not really. I'm a Republican but somehow not a raving fundamentalist drone. Whoops, that one doesn't work. Neither does the line being continuously fed through the media about the 2000 and 2004 elections somehow causing a permanent divide in our country. Somehow it only seems to exist in the minds of people who can't um, 'move on'. so do u blame the folks who get married and then divorced. the 66% of them? and growing? or do u investigate what the institution itself means in this day and this age? do u question the folks who cant drive properly and who misuse a car out of lack of "car" knowledge or do u recall the car as not fit for the society that drives it? ...cant "move on"???? They would help you if they found you lying in the middle of the road. Your wallet would be safe. They work hard for their families, and they're so busy working their butts off making a living that they really don't have time to read the news. THAT'S KEY. And honestly, they've been underwhelmed by the Democrats' less-than-awesome marketing of less-than-inspiring candidates who kinda lacked charisma, whereas Dubya has this aura that makes ya think he wants to be your drinkin' buddy. It's a gift that not everybody has. Look at Gore. He was a Southerner, a VietNam vet, a sportsman, a genuine bubba, and still the Red States would have none of it. The fact that they chose Captain AWOL over Gore points to feeble Democratic campaigning and, possibly, Al's stiff public persona. Even when you have a good product, ya gotta sell, sell, sell. Ditto for Kerry. A good guy, but you can't afford to shoot yourself in the foot when you are up against the GOP, the best salesmen the world has ever seen. And Kerry did shoot himself in the foot more than a few times. The Red Staters had reasons to vote for Dub. We may not be able to fully comprehend those reasons, but WE CANNOT write these people off as HeeHaw goofballs and inbred haters. You will not win over anybody if you insult them, contrary to what Howard Dean thinks. Resist the urge. Reach out. Try to find some common ground. Sonic Luv, Tim Mungenast [Original Message] From: Luis Angulo < To: < Date: 9/12/2005 4:34:22 AM Subject: Dear RED STATES This sounds great if you dont mind i am coming with you;-! > Dear Red States... > > We've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our > own country, and we're > taking just the Blue States with us. > > In case you aren't aware, that includes Hawaii, > California, Oregon, > Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois > and all the Northeast. > We believe this split will be beneficial to the > nation, and especially to > the people of the new country. > > To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all > the slave states. We get > stem cell research and the best beaches. We get > Elliot Spitzer. You get Ken > Lay. > > We get the Statue of Liberty. We get Hollywood and > Yosemite... You get > Dollywood. We get Intel and Microsoft. You get > WorldCom and Enron. We get > Harvard. You get Ole' Miss. We get 85 percent of > America's venture capital > and entrepreneurs. You get Alabama. We get > two-thirds of the tax revenue, > you get to make the red states pay their fair share. > > Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower > than the Christian > Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You > get a bunch of single > moms. > > Please be aware that the new country will be > pro-choice and anti-war, and > we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq > at once. If you need > people to fight, ask your politicians and > evangelicals. They have kids > they're apparently willing to send to their deaths > for no purpose, and they > don't care if you don't show pictures of their > children's caskets coming > home. We do wish you success in Iraq, and hope that > the WMDs turn up, but > we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's > Quagmire. > > With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm > control of 80 percent of the > country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the > pineapple and lettuce, 92 > percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of > America's quality wines > (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90 > percent of all cheese, 90 > percent of the high tech industry, most of the U.S. > low-sulfur coal, all > living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy > and Seven Sister schools, > plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT. > > With the Red States, on the other hand, you will > have to cope with 88 > percent of all obese Americans (and their projected > health care costs), 92 > percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent > of the tornadoes, 90 > percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all > Southern Baptists, virtually > 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, > Bob Jones University, > Clemson and the University of Georgia. > > Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states > believe Jonah was > actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe > life is sacred unless > we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44 > percent say that > evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam > was involved in 9/11, and > 61 percent of you crazy bastards believe you are > people with high morals. > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com --Apple-Mail-1-70230321-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 19:53:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6219C3BF07; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:53:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:52:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: lexicon boxes (to kim) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <25441017.1126554776063.JavaMail.root@vms071.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:53:07 +0000 (UTC) << If she does really do it you may need to get her a nice gift. :-) kim>> kim.....what single malt does she like?.....:) http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 20:00:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9613F3BF01; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 20:00:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050912195926.27485.qmail@host222.ipowerweb.com> Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Timothy Mungenast Subject: Re: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES Content-Type: text/html; X-Mailer: AtMail Corp 3.61 - http://webbasedemail.com/ X-Origin: 207.43.195.201 Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:59:26 X-DCC-ipwdcc-2-Metrics: host222.ipowerweb.com 209; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 20:00:10 +0000 (UTC) I wrote a really eloquent response to this but then my web e-mail client timed out and lost it.

In sum -

1. The red state/blue state thing is bogus. 

2. We are really dealing with an urban/rural thing.

3. Using my red state (Missouri) as an example, both major cities - St. Louis and Kansas City - went overwhelmingly Kerry.  The rest of the (rural) districts went Bush.

4. The pattern holds true everywhere except Texas, though Austin did go Kerry.

5. The Northeast has more urban areas than rural, so those states go blue.

6. The midwest has more rural areas than urban, so those states go red.

7. If you visited MO, you would probably be surrounded by more Kerry supporters than Bush, unless you were at a truck stop.

8. A truck stop on I-70 in MO is the same as one on I-80 in NJ.  I know, I've lived in both places.

9. Democracts need to learn to sell to the people who live near truck stops.  Period.

10. It's rude to insult and make generalizations about millions of people who live in blue cities in red states based on an oversimplified data representations (red state/blue state maps.)

11. I wish I didn't have to explain this over and over again.  Please - look at the data and spread the word.  The blue state/red state thing is a farse, and it's very important to understand that if you want to influence future elections.

Jesse
Kansas City, MO

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:23 , Timothy Mungenast <mungenast@earthlink.net> sent:
Sounds good, but I'd miss ZZ Top, I'd miss Moon Pies, and besides, I've got
a whole passel of red-state relatives who think Dubya is just great.
I'm not sure that re-starting the Civil War is the answer.
Let's try to understand Bush supporters-- aside from a few cynical
plutocrats, most Bush supporters are basically good-hearted folks (like my
Mom) who were raised in very socially conservative households and would
vote for a bag of popcorn if it ran on a ProLife platform. Anything that
even vaguely smells of hippiedom is anathema to them.
They would help you if they found you lying in the middle of the road. Your
wallet would be safe. They work hard for their families, and they're so
busy working their butts off making a living that they really don't have
time to read the news. THAT'S KEY.
And honestly, they've been underwhelmed by the Democrats' less-than-awesome
marketing of less-than-inspiring candidates who kinda lacked charisma,
whereas Dubya has this aura that makes ya think he wants to be your
drinkin' buddy. It's a gift that not everybody has.
Look at Gore. He was a Southerner, a VietNam vet, a sportsman, a genuine
bubba, and still the Red States would have none of it. The fact that they
chose Captain AWOL over Gore points to feeble Democratic campaigning and,
possibly, Al's stiff public persona.
Even when you have a good product, ya gotta sell, sell, sell. Ditto for
Kerry. A good guy, but you can't afford to shoot yourself in the foot when
you are up against the GOP, the best salesmen the world has ever seen. And
Kerry did shoot himself in the foot more than a few times.
The Red Staters had reasons to vote for Dub. We may not be able to fully
comprehend those reasons, but WE CANNOT write these people off as HeeHaw
goofballs and inbred haters. You will not win over anybody if you insult
them, contrary to what Howard Dean thinks. Resist the urge. Reach out. Try
to find some common ground.
Sonic Luv,
Tim Mungenast




> [Original Message]
> From: Luis Angulo <labalou2000@yahoo.com>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Date: 9/12/2005 4:34:22 AM
> Subject: Dear RED STATES
>
> This sounds great if you dont mind i am coming with
> you;-!
>
> > Dear Red States...
> >
> > We've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our
> > own country, and we're
> > taking just the Blue States with us.
> >
> > In case you aren't aware, that includes Hawaii,
> > California, Oregon,
> > Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois
> > and all the Northeast.
> > We believe this split will be beneficial to the
> > nation, and especially to
> > the people of the new country.
> >
> > To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all
> > the slave states. We get
> > stem cell research and the best beaches. We get
> > Elliot Spitzer. You get Ken
> > Lay.
> >
> > We get the Statue of Liberty. We get Hollywood and
> > Yosemite... You get
> > Dollywood. We get Intel and Microsoft. You get
> > WorldCom and Enron. We get
> > Harvard. You get Ole' Miss. We get 85 percent of
> > America's venture capital
> > and entrepreneurs. You get Alabama. We get
> > two-thirds of the tax revenue,
> > you get to make the red states pay their fair share.
> >
> > Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower
> > than the Christian
> > Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You
> > get a bunch of single
> > moms.
> >
> > Please be aware that the new country will be
> > pro-choice and anti-war, and
> > we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq
> > at once. If you need
> > people to fight, ask your politicians and
> > evangelicals. They have kids
> > they're apparently willing to send to their deaths
> > for no purpose, and they
> > don't care if you don't show pictures of their
> > children's caskets coming
> > home. We do wish you success in Iraq, and hope that
> > the WMDs turn up, but
> > we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's
> > Quagmire.
> >
> > With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm
> > control of 80 percent of the
> > country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the
> > pineapple and lettuce, 92
> > percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of
> > America's quality wines
> > (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90
> > percent of all cheese, 90
> > percent of the high tech industry, most of the U.S.
> > low-sulfur coal, all
> > living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy
> > and Seven Sister schools,
> > plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT.
> >
> > With the Red States, on the other hand, you will
> > have to cope with 88
> > percent of all obese Americans (and their projected
> > health care costs), 92
> > percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent
> > of the tornadoes, 90
> > percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all
> > Southern Baptists, virtually
> > 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh,
> > Bob Jones University,
> > Clemson and the University of Georgia.
> >
> > Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states
> > believe Jonah was
> > actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe
> > life is sacred unless
> > we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44
> > percent say that
> > evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam
> > was involved in 9/11, and
> > 61 percent of you crazy bastards believe you are
> > people with high morals.
> >
>
>
> www.luis-angulo.com
>
>
>
> __________________________________
> Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005
> http://mail.yahoo.com




From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 21:14:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 795E83BEFC; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:14:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <20050912195926.27485.qmail@host222.ipowerweb.com> References: <20050912195926.27485.qmail@host222.ipowerweb.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-76061309 Message-Id: <869c793f791dd6ed3eab9ec2081560be@bartholomusic.com> From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:13:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 66.226.64.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:14:05 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-76061309 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed thats the best sense ive seen in a long time. BRILLIANT!! ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 12, 2005, at 12:59 PM, wrote: > I wrote a really eloquent response to this but then my web e-mail=20 > client timed out and lost it. > > In sum - > > 1. The red state/blue state thing is bogus.=A0 > > 2. We are really dealing with an urban/rural thing. > > 3. Using my red state (Missouri) as an example, both major cities -=20= > St. Louis and Kansas City - went overwhelmingly=A0Kerry.=A0 The rest = of=20 > the (rural) districts went Bush. > > 4. The pattern holds true everywhere except Texas, though Austin did=20= > go Kerry. > > 5. The Northeast has more urban areas than rural, so those states go=20= > blue. > > 6.=A0The midwest has more rural areas than urban, so those states go=20= > red. > > 7. If you visited MO, you would probably be surrounded by more Kerry=20= > supporters than Bush, unless you were at a truck stop. > > 8. A truck stop on I-70 in MO is the same as one on I-80 in NJ.=A0 I=20= > know, I've lived in both places. > > 9. Democracts need to learn to sell to the people who live near truck=20= > stops.=A0 Period. > > 10. It's rude to insult and make generalizations about millions of=20 > people who live in blue cities in red states based on an=20 > oversimplified data representations (red state/blue state maps.) > > 11.=A0I wish I didn't have to explain this over and over again.=A0 = Please=20 > - look at the data and spread the word.=A0 The blue state/red state=20 > thing is a farse, and it's very important to understand that if you=20 > want to influence future elections. > > Jesse > Kansas City, MO > > On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:23 , Timothy Mungenast=20 > sent: > > > Sounds good, but I'd miss ZZ Top, I'd miss Moon Pies, and besides,=20 > I've got > a whole passel of red-state relatives who think Dubya is just great. > I'm not sure that re-starting the Civil War is the answer. > Let's try to understand Bush supporters-- aside from a few cynical > plutocrats, most Bush supporters are basically good-hearted folks=20 > (like my > Mom) who were raised in very socially conservative households and=20 > would > vote for a bag of popcorn if it ran on a ProLife platform. Anything=20= > that > even vaguely smells of hippiedom is anathema to them. > They would help you if they found you lying in the middle of the=20 > road. Your > wallet would be safe. They work hard for their families, and they're=20= > so > busy working their butts off making a living that they really don't=20= > have > time to read the news. THAT'S KEY. > And honestly, they've been underwhelmed by the Democrats'=20 > less-than-awesome > marketing of less-than-inspiring candidates who kinda lacked = charisma, > whereas Dubya has this aura that makes ya think he wants to be your > drinkin' buddy. It's a gift that not everybody has. > Look at Gore. He was a Southerner, a VietNam vet, a sportsman, a=20 > genuine > bubba, and still the Red States would have none of it. The fact that=20= > they > chose Captain AWOL over Gore points to feeble Democratic campaigning=20= > and, > possibly, Al's stiff public persona. > Even when you have a good product, ya gotta sell, sell, sell. Ditto=20= > for > Kerry. A good guy, but you can't afford to shoot yourself in the foot=20= > when > you are up against the GOP, the best salesmen the world has ever=20 > seen. And > Kerry did shoot himself in the foot more than a few times. > The Red Staters had reasons to vote for Dub. We may not be able to=20 > fully > comprehend those reasons, but WE CANNOT write these people off as=20 > HeeHaw > goofballs and inbred haters. You will not win over anybody if you=20 > insult > them, contrary to what Howard Dean thinks. Resist the urge. Reach=20 > out. Try > to find some common ground. > Sonic Luv, > Tim Mungenast > > > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Luis Angulo > > To: > > Date: 9/12/2005 4:34:22 AM > > Subject: Dear RED STATES > > > > This sounds great if you dont mind i am coming with > > you;-! > > > > > Dear Red States... > > > > > > We've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our > > > own country, and we're > > > taking just the Blue States with us. > > > > > > In case you aren't aware, that includes Hawaii, > > > California, Oregon, > > > Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois > > > and all the Northeast. > > > We believe this split will be beneficial to the > > > nation, and especially to > > > the people of the new country. > > > > > > To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all > > > the slave states. We get > > > stem cell research and the best beaches. We get > > > Elliot Spitzer. You get Ken > > > Lay. > > > > > > We get the Statue of Liberty. We get Hollywood and > > > Yosemite... You get > > > Dollywood. We get Intel and Microsoft. You get > > > WorldCom and Enron. We get > > > Harvard. You get Ole' Miss. We get 85 percent of > > > America's venture capital > > > and entrepreneurs. You get Alabama. We get > > > two-thirds of the tax revenue, > > > you get to make the red states pay their fair share. > > > > > > Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower > > > than the Christian > > > Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You > > > get a bunch of single > > > moms. > > > > > > Please be aware that the new country will be > > > pro-choice and anti-war, and > > > we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq > > > at once. If you need > > > people to fight, ask your politicians and > > > evangelicals. They have kids > > > they're apparently willing to send to their deaths > > > for no purpose, and they > > > don't care if you don't show pictures of their > > > children's caskets coming > > > home. We do wish you success in Iraq, and hope that > > > the WMDs turn up, but > > > we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's > > > Quagmire. > > > > > > With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm > > > control of 80 percent of the > > > country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the > > > pineapple and lettuce, 92 > > > percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of > > > America's quality wines > > > (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90 > > > percent of all cheese, 90 > > > percent of the high tech industry, most of the U.S. > > > low-sulfur coal, all > > > living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy > > > and Seven Sister schools, > > > plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT. > > > > > > With the Red States, on the other hand, you will > > > have to cope with 88 > > > percent of all obese Americans (and their projected > > > health care costs), 92 > > > percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent > > > of the tornadoes, 90 > > > percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all > > > Southern Baptists, virtually > > > 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, > > > Bob Jones University, > > > Clemson and the University of Georgia. > > > > > > Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states > > > believe Jonah was > > > actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe > > > life is sacred unless > > > we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44 > > > percent say that > > > evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam > > > was involved in 9/11, and > > > 61 percent of you crazy bastards believe you are > > > people with high morals. > > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > --Apple-Mail-1-76061309 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 thats the best sense ive seen in a long time. BRILLIANT!! ___7979,0404,0909 Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 12, 2005, at 12:59 PM, < wrote: I wrote a really eloquent response to this but then my web e-mail client timed out and lost it. In sum - 1. The red state/blue state thing is bogus.=A0 2. We are really dealing with an urban/rural thing. 3. Using my red state (Missouri) as an example, both major cities - St. Louis and Kansas City - went overwhelmingly=A0Kerry.=A0 The rest of the (rural) districts went Bush. 4. The pattern holds true everywhere except Texas, though Austin did go Kerry. 5. The Northeast has more urban areas than rural, so those states go blue. 6.=A0The midwest has more rural areas than urban, so those states go red. 7. If you visited MO, you would probably be surrounded by more Kerry supporters than Bush, unless you were at a truck stop. 8. A truck stop on I-70 in MO is the same as one on I-80 in NJ.=A0 I know, I've lived in both places. 9. Democracts need to learn to sell to the people who live near truck stops.=A0 Period. 10. It's rude to insult and make generalizations about millions of people who live in blue cities in red states based on an oversimplified data representations (red state/blue state maps.) 11.=A0I wish I didn't have to explain this over and over again.=A0 = Please - look at the data and spread the word.=A0 The blue state/red state thing is a farse, and it's very important to understand that if you want to influence future elections. Jesse Kansas City, MO On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 12:23 , Timothy Mungenast < sent: =20 Sounds good, but I'd miss ZZ Top, I'd miss Moon Pies, and besides, I've got a whole passel of red-state relatives who think Dubya is just great.=20 I'm not sure that re-starting the Civil War is the answer. Let's try to understand Bush supporters-- aside from a few cynical plutocrats, most Bush supporters are basically good-hearted folks (like my Mom) who were raised in very socially conservative households and would vote for a bag of popcorn if it ran on a ProLife platform. Anything that even vaguely smells of hippiedom is anathema to them.=20 They would help you if they found you lying in the middle of the road. Your wallet would be safe. They work hard for their families, and they're so busy working their butts off making a living that they really don't have time to read the news. THAT'S KEY. And honestly, they've been underwhelmed by the Democrats' less-than-awesome marketing of less-than-inspiring candidates who kinda lacked charisma, whereas Dubya has this aura that makes ya think he wants to be your drinkin' buddy. It's a gift that not everybody has.=20 Look at Gore. He was a Southerner, a VietNam vet, a sportsman, a genuine bubba, and still the Red States would have none of it. The fact that they chose Captain AWOL over Gore points to feeble Democratic campaigning and, possibly, Al's stiff public persona.=20 Even when you have a good product, ya gotta sell, sell, sell. Ditto for Kerry. A good guy, but you can't afford to shoot yourself in the foot when you are up against the GOP, the best salesmen the world has ever seen. And Kerry did shoot himself in the foot more than a few times.=20 The Red Staters had reasons to vote for Dub. We may not be able to fully comprehend those reasons, but WE CANNOT write these people off as HeeHaw goofballs and inbred haters. You will not win over anybody if you insult them, contrary to what Howard Dean thinks. Resist the urge. Reach out. Try to find some common ground. Sonic Luv, Tim Mungenast FFFF,0000,0000> [Original Message] FFFF,0000,0000> From: Luis Angulo = <<0000,0000,EEEElabalou2000@yahoo.comFFFF,0000,0000> FFFF,0000,0000> To: = <<0000,0000,EEEELoopers-Delight@loopers-deli= ght.comFFFF,0000,0000> FFFF,0000,0000> Date: 9/12/2005 4:34:22 AM FFFF,0000,0000> Subject: Dear RED STATES FFFF,0000,0000> FFFF,0000,0000> This sounds great if you dont mind i am coming with FFFF,0000,0000> you;-! FFFF,0000,0000> FFFF,0000,0000> > Dear Red States... FFFF,0000,0000> > FFFF,0000,0000> > We've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our FFFF,0000,0000> > own country, and we're FFFF,0000,0000> > taking just the Blue States with us. 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We get 85 percent of FFFF,0000,0000> > America's venture = capital FFFF,0000,0000> > and entrepreneurs. You get Alabama. We get FFFF,0000,0000> > two-thirds of the tax = revenue, FFFF,0000,0000> > you get to make the red states pay their fair share. FFFF,0000,0000> > FFFF,0000,0000> > Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower FFFF,0000,0000> > than the Christian FFFF,0000,0000> > Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You FFFF,0000,0000> > get a bunch of single FFFF,0000,0000> > moms. FFFF,0000,0000> > FFFF,0000,0000> > Please be aware that the new country will be FFFF,0000,0000> > pro-choice and anti-war, = and FFFF,0000,0000> > we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq FFFF,0000,0000> > at once. If you need FFFF,0000,0000> > people to fight, ask your politicians and FFFF,0000,0000> > evangelicals. They have = kids FFFF,0000,0000> > they're apparently willing to send to their deaths FFFF,0000,0000> > for no purpose, and they FFFF,0000,0000> > don't care if you don't show pictures of their FFFF,0000,0000> > children's caskets = coming FFFF,0000,0000> > home. We do wish you success in Iraq, and hope that FFFF,0000,0000> > the WMDs turn up, but FFFF,0000,0000> > we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's FFFF,0000,0000> > Quagmire. 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Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 FFFF,0000,0000> http://mail.yahoo.com = --Apple-Mail-1-76061309-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 21:33:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A1833BF17; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:33:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <20050912195926.27485.qmail@host222.ipowerweb.com> References: <20050912195926.27485.qmail@host222.ipowerweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7CA66A9A-69D9-4D90-B2D9-7BCEC7E18ABC@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:30:38 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:33:34 +0000 (UTC) > > 11. I wish I didn't have to explain this over and over again. > Please - look at the data and spread the word. The blue state/red > state thing is a farse, Thanks for your observations, but one state in particular (imo) stands out. Can you explain FL (my home state)? I'm not sure the urban/rural stuff holds up in CA either. Or NY even? But FL in particular... Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 21:42:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54EAC3BF15; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:42:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=e4UTEGZ7qnJ8smfpjEvLe8VV43c9mL5PPMtx0lZpQwBppBDWtkJxdUXgZfbzdw6PT8cMJj3rQlZVxiAtA9Z8mcY/aidRWmzEU/2eTflRSa40PjhIxSMsn57c7jn4xFzHQ6bTKnKZLIx7il0VfQfJtGd7NKdOAWv5VGw/ZzZRWlQ= ; Message-ID: <20050912214219.57395.qmail@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:42:18 -0700 (PDT) From: grw20022 Subject: Re: BEETS NOT POMES To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1339294920-1126561338=:55668" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <8V-V3B.A.daH.8YfJDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:42:20 +0000 (UTC) --0-1339294920-1126561338=:55668 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit True.. what the fuck are you doing this for on in this Group.....get the fuck off....... Kathy Deane wrote:Calling someone a Natzi cause they want to change the subject is pretty raw. I'll bet a lot of people in Nazi Germany expressed the same sentiments at one time. Kathy Deane wrote: I like beets more than pomegranates...How about a new subject? The polarity is disrupting the harmony of the tunes in my head. “Can’t we all just get along?” Rodney King April 29, 1992 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1339294920-1126561338=:55668 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
True.. what the fuck are you doing this for on in this Group.....get the fuck off.......

Kathy Deane <relativepictures@cox.net> wrote:
Calling someone a Natzi cause they want to change the subject is pretty raw.


I'll bet a lot of people in Nazi Germany expressed the same sentiments at one time.

Kathy Deane <relativepictures@cox.net> wrote:
I like beets more than pomegranates...How about a new subject?
The polarity is disrupting the harmony of the tunes in my head.

“Can’t we all just get along?”
Rodney King April 29, 1992
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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1339294920-1126561338=:55668-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 21:43:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7D0C3BF24; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:43:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:43:33 -0600 Message-Id: <200509122143.j8CLhXB09768@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: OT: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.19.192 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:43:32 +0000 (UTC) As a generalization it's largely true in California from what I know. The coastal cities voted Dem and the inland and agricultural/rural areas voted Repub. Generally speaking I like this bumpesticker "Elephants and asses are leading us astray" This has something to do with looping I'm sure I just can't think of it right now. Kevin > > > > > 11. I wish I didn't have to explain this over and over again. > > Please - look at the data and spread the word. The blue state/red > > state thing is a farse, > > Thanks for your observations, but one state in particular (imo) > stands out. Can you explain FL (my home state)? I'm not sure the > urban/rural stuff holds up in CA either. Or NY even? But FL in > particular... > > Jeff > > How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 22:43:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA0773BF1A; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:43:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: "Switzerland In Sound" interview about Zurich Loopfestival now available Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 00:43:33 +0200 Message-ID: <002201c5b7eb$6aa2f830$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.7 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:43:49 +0000 (UTC) Bob Zanotti of "Switzerland In Sound" kindly agreed that I post the interview as an mp3 (1.45 MB). It's the 3rd entry in the "News" section of http://loopfestival.com Thank you Bernhard http://nosuch.biz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 22:43:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79BB23BF27; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:43:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=UlxkacIpzs/PvMIS81wnRyE2yX3FyMhomrbuBQL2DCc8iwEb51P3eHc2O1veA8grKteiIgHlVrzVirHKSnObn0DHI5jZG6l6FKsXbv6NOIXFl2trcv/xtKQTwMGIC/4GxwK6s0xHBTW6uzxPlgLenjbYh9ogBi14KaggBq6i8vQ= Message-ID: <9e2a712405091215437f04c345@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 17:43:55 -0500 From: Michael Pregeant Reply-To: mpregeant@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco In-Reply-To: <9e2a712405091215415cf4413b@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11726_16520625.1126565035334" References: <002601c5b4fb$c9c6d810$af704a18@carolina.rr.com> <43259245.000014.04020@A7V266E-XP-USER> <9e2a712405091215415cf4413b@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2RoWNB.A.RVC.sSgJDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:43:56 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_11726_16520625.1126565035334 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 9/12/05, Michael Pregeant wrote:=20 >=20 > "What do the special olympics and fighting on the internet have in=20 > common?" > "In the end, you're still retarded." > i.e. Shut up. >=20 > On 9/12/05, Sony Felberg wrote:=20 > >=20 > > To love America, do I need to love war? > > Or, is America reserved for people whom share your views?=20 > > I'm confused by your statements. What are you trying to say? Or, shoul= d=20 > > I not question your rederic?=20 > > ...please enlighten us to war loving Americaism.=20 > > *BEATS NOT BOMBS at MIGHTY in San Francisco a much better way to spen= d=20 > > the day!* > > __________________________________ > > You're dead-on, Matthew: this anti-war stuff is the typical, knee-jerk > > response of far-left-wing America-haters. > > __________________________________ > > =20 >=20 > ------=_Part_11726_16520625.1126565035334 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

On 9/12/05, = Michael Pregeant <mpregeant@g= mail.com> wrote:
"What do the special olympics and fighting on the internet have i= n common?"
 
"In the end, you're still retarded."
 
i.e. Shut up.

 
On 9/12/05, = Sony Felberg <sony@real.com>= wrote: =20
=
To love America,  do I need to love war?
 
Or, is America reserved for people whom share your views?&nb= sp;
 
I'm confused by your statements. What are you trying to say? Or, = should I not question your rederic?
 
...please enlighten us to war loving Americaism.
 
 
BEATS NOT BOMBS at MIGHTY in San Francisco a much better way t= o spend the day!
 
 
__________________________________
You're dead-on, Matthew: this anti-war stuff is the typical, knee-jerk=
response of far-left-wing America-haters.
__________________________________
 


------=_Part_11726_16520625.1126565035334-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 22:44:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19F993BF3D; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:44:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=XTpAfTGCV4agoxJck1gaFe/kna3/l1BQnXP+AWvYw9MP/TFdIxe2gJCTn2ADY0qwg1eSWnkXxvz4hobp5LUgN8rgqoYKOXikWaGl7usVY1YfWrXRjdVguq23pc4PwfpwEqwTsll/op9A65aALKn5cXq4lOmhL4DbD6w2GSGYAeU= Message-ID: <9e2a71240509121544608872b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 17:44:18 -0500 From: Michael Pregeant Reply-To: mpregeant@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BEATS NOT BOMBS in San Francisco In-Reply-To: <43259245.000014.04020@A7V266E-XP-USER> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11730_28082699.1126565058107" References: <002601c5b4fb$c9c6d810$af704a18@carolina.rr.com> <43259245.000014.04020@A7V266E-XP-USER> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:44:20 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_11730_28082699.1126565058107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline "What do the special olympics and fighting on the internet have in common?" "In the end, you're still retarded." i.e. Shut up. On 9/12/05, Sony Felberg wrote:=20 >=20 > To love America, do I need to love war? > Or, is America reserved for people whom share your views?=20 > I'm confused by your statements. What are you trying to say? Or, should = I=20 > not question your rederic?=20 > ...please enlighten us to war loving Americaism.=20 > *BEATS NOT BOMBS at MIGHTY in San Francisco a much better way to spend= =20 > the day!* > __________________________________ > You're dead-on, Matthew: this anti-war stuff is the typical, knee-jerk > response of far-left-wing America-haters. > __________________________________ > ------=_Part_11730_28082699.1126565058107 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
"What do the special olympics and fighting on the internet have i= n common?"
 
"In the end, you're still retarded."
 
i.e. Shut up.


On 9/12/05, = Sony Felberg <sony@real.com>= wrote:
=
To love America,  do I need to love war?
 
Or, is America reserved for people whom share your views?&nb= sp;
 
I'm confused by your statements. What are you trying to say? Or, = should I not question your rederic?
 
...please enlighten us to war loving Americaism.
 
 
BEATS NOT BOMBS at MIGHTY in San Francisco a much better way t= o spend the day!
 
 
__________________________________
You're dead-on, Matthew: this anti-war stuff is the typical, knee-jerk=
response of far-left-wing America-haters.
__________________________________
 

------=_Part_11730_28082699.1126565058107-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 12 23:47:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04A273BF18; Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:47:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VtqIEj+RH1YqIIhyRc9o7BV+O9vHVoPUtCQ+qDvEgQ9wD1B846dvGxLhE8zwW4tnyBrrRyMbpXTbO5oUFIgRMCVKpwP5IrqzMxATvtXUUNwKKEckpGuyxn/AHv3tmO6s3qcWC1g2jqB3QuI8+NFSO/sRpzBf5t7qPfsvekYnp6I= ; Message-ID: <20050912234712.84280.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:47:12 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: I'm actually going toward rackmount stuff Re: T.C. G-system To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <410-22005911212059650@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:47:13 +0000 (UTC) --- Timothy Mungenast wrote: > And here's the main thing I tell myself....even if I'm going through a > SIMULATED tape echo, and a SIMULATED Plexi Marshall, and a >SIMULATED plate reverb, I AM REAL, and that realness will hopefully > come through no matter how much digital sleight of hand I decide to >use. AH! Thanks for bringing up "the real world" (as opposed to the "machine world) I get sick of "purists" who dis technology. Either it's good and works for you or it's bad. Forget what's fashionable and do what you like. Reminds me of the somewhat badly illustrated point of the last Matrix movie. Neo realizes Zion isn't real (part of the sim to make people think they can get out and fight the machines) but fights anyway *because he knows that he is real and the love he feels are real* PLAY ANYWAY! If you can't afford expensive boutique tube amps, get a cheap transistor amp and a tube sim. Love to play and feel the love because that love is the only thing that's real when you get right down to it. No one's going to put "couldn't afford a cool boutique pedal" on your grave. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 00:00:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B2C43BF0E; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 00:00:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-POP-User: mail41.covad.net Message-ID: <4326167E.80606@covad.net> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:59:58 -0700 From: mail41 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Defective EDP or defective brain? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 00:00:36 +0000 (UTC) Hi, First I want to say thanks for all the info I've gleaned from Loopers Delight, since you all are what convinced me to dive into looping and the EDP. You also turned me on to Anthony at Altos Music, where I got a new EDP for $739, foot pedal for $99, with Fed Ex ground shipping. So today I got my new EDP and foot controller, full 16 megs Ram, new out of the box. It is *not* behaving as the manual describes. I have 7 days to return it if it is defective, but I would hate to send it back because I misunderstand how it is supposed to work. I'm a reasonably intelligent person, most of the time. Or maybe just the foot controller is screwy? Using the foot controller: I press record, record a loop, press record to end. It plays. Good. Now, without pressing overdub, everything I play gets recorded onto the loop. I can undo and remove it, but it continues to record everything, as if the overdub function is switched on all the time. But the overdub light doesn't change, just happy green. When I press overdub and play, nothing gets recorded onto the loop. The red overdub light does go on and off when I press the button. Also, there is no loop number to the left in the display, just the time length of the loop. Also, the next loop light is always orange after I first record. I have tried holding the parameter button down when powering up, but this hasn't changed anything. Is this EDP defective or am I really missing something? I truly appreciate your help, TJ Sutherland From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 00:24:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99EB73BF0A; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 00:24:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00ba01c5b7f9$7d64e0b0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <009101c5b7cf$59099280$0207a8c0@eluk1> <8429888ca3e6cbf4af2acc0b74119ef1@bartholomusic.com> Subject: Re: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 01:24:20 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B5_01C5B801.DD8A8CD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: <_gQoDB.A.M2F.uwhJDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 00:24:14 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B5_01C5B801.DD8A8CD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Adrian Bartholomew=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, 12 September, 2005 20:36 PM Subject: Re: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 12, 2005, at 2:22 PM, Stephen Goodman wrote: From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Sent: Monday, 12 September, 2005 17:23 PM Subject: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES Sounds good, but I'd miss ZZ Top, I'd miss Moon Pies, and = besides, I've got a whole passel of red-state relatives who think Dubya is just = great. I'm not sure that re-starting the Civil War is the answer. Let's try to understand Bush supporters-- aside from a few = cynical plutocrats, most Bush supporters are basically good-hearted = folks (like my Mom) who were raised in very socially conservative households = and would vote for a bag of popcorn if it ran on a ProLife platform. = Anything that even vaguely smells of hippiedom is anathema to them. Not really. I'm a Republican but somehow not a raving fundamentalist = drone. Whoops, that one doesn't work. Neither does the line being = continuously fed through the media about the 2000 and 2004 elections somehow causing = a permanent divide in our country. Somehow it only seems to exist in = the minds of people who can't um, 'move on'. so do u blame the folks who get married and then divorced. the 66% of = them? and growing? or do u investigate what the institution itself means = in this day and this age? do u question the folks who cant drive properly and who misuse a car = out of lack of "car" knowledge or do u recall the car as not fit for the = society that drives it? ...cant "move on"???? Take your meds and calm down. They would help you if they found you lying in the middle of the = road. Your wallet would be safe. They work hard for their families, and = they're so busy working their butts off making a living that they really = don't have time to read the news. THAT'S KEY. And honestly, they've been underwhelmed by the Democrats' = less-than-awesome marketing of less-than-inspiring candidates who kinda lacked = charisma, whereas Dubya has this aura that makes ya think he wants to be = your drinkin' buddy. It's a gift that not everybody has. Look at Gore. He was a Southerner, a VietNam vet, a sportsman, a = genuine bubba, and still the Red States would have none of it. The fact = that they chose Captain AWOL over Gore points to feeble Democratic = campaigning and, possibly, Al's stiff public persona. Even when you have a good product, ya gotta sell, sell, sell. = Ditto for Kerry. A good guy, but you can't afford to shoot yourself in the = foot when you are up against the GOP, the best salesmen the world has ever = seen. And Kerry did shoot himself in the foot more than a few times. The Red Staters had reasons to vote for Dub. We may not be able = to fully comprehend those reasons, but WE CANNOT write these people off = as HeeHaw goofballs and inbred haters. You will not win over anybody if = you insult them, contrary to what Howard Dean thinks. Resist the urge. = Reach out. Try to find some common ground. Sonic Luv, Tim Mungenast [Original Message] From: Luis Angulo To: Date: 9/12/2005 4:34:22 AM Subject: Dear RED STATES This sounds great if you dont mind i am coming with you;-! > Dear Red States... > > We've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our > own country, and we're > taking just the Blue States with us. > > In case you aren't aware, that includes Hawaii, > California, Oregon, > Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois > and all the Northeast. > We believe this split will be beneficial to the > nation, and especially to > the people of the new country. > > To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all > the slave states. We get > stem cell research and the best beaches. We get > Elliot Spitzer. You get Ken > Lay. > > We get the Statue of Liberty. We get Hollywood and > Yosemite... You get > Dollywood. We get Intel and Microsoft. You get > WorldCom and Enron. We get > Harvard. You get Ole' Miss. We get 85 percent of > America's venture capital > and entrepreneurs. You get Alabama. We get > two-thirds of the tax revenue, > you get to make the red states pay their fair share. > > Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower > than the Christian > Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You > get a bunch of single > moms. > > Please be aware that the new country will be > pro-choice and anti-war, and > we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq > at once. If you need > people to fight, ask your politicians and > evangelicals. They have kids > they're apparently willing to send to their deaths > for no purpose, and they > don't care if you don't show pictures of their > children's caskets coming > home. We do wish you success in Iraq, and hope that > the WMDs turn up, but > we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's > Quagmire. > > With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm > control of 80 percent of the > country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the > pineapple and lettuce, 92 > percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of > America's quality wines > (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90 > percent of all cheese, 90 > percent of the high tech industry, most of the U.S. > low-sulfur coal, all > living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy > and Seven Sister schools, > plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT. > > With the Red States, on the other hand, you will > have to cope with 88 > percent of all obese Americans (and their projected > health care costs), 92 > percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent > of the tornadoes, 90 > percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all > Southern Baptists, virtually > 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, > Bob Jones University, > Clemson and the University of Georgia. > > Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states > believe Jonah was > actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe > life is sacred unless > we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44 > percent say that > evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam > was involved in 9/11, and > 61 percent of you crazy bastards believe you are > people with high morals. > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! 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----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Adrian Bartholomew
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Monday, 12 September, = 2005 20:36=20 PM
Subject: Re: Devil's = AdvocateRE: Dear RED=20 STATES


___
Adrian=20 Bartholomew
Leawood KS
On Sep 12, 2005, at 2:22 PM, = Stephen=20 Goodman wrote:

From: "Timothy Mungenast" <mungenast@earthlink.net>To:=20 <Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com>
Sent:=20 Monday, 12 September, 2005 17:23 PM
Subject: Devil's = AdvocateRE: Dear=20 RED STATES


Sounds good, but I'd miss ZZ Top, I'd miss Moon Pies, = and=20 besides, I've got
a whole passel of red-state relatives who = think=20 Dubya is just great.
I'm not sure that re-starting the Civil = War is=20 the answer.
Let's try to understand Bush supporters-- aside = from a=20 few cynical
plutocrats, most Bush supporters are basically=20 good-hearted folks (like my
Mom) who were raised in very = socially=20 conservative households and would
vote for a bag of popcorn = if it ran=20 on a ProLife platform. Anything that
even vaguely smells of = hippiedom=20 is anathema to them.

Not = really. I'm a=20 Republican but somehow not a raving fundamentalist drone.
Whoops, = that=20 one doesn't work. Neither does the line being continuously = fed
through=20 the media about the 2000 and 2004 elections somehow causing = a
permanent=20 divide in our country. Somehow it only seems to exist in = the
minds of=20 people who can't um, 'move on'.

so do u blame the folks who get married and then divorced. = the 66% of=20 them? and growing? or do u investigate what the institution itself = means in=20 this day and this age?
do u question the folks who cant drive = properly and=20 who misuse a car out of lack of "car" knowledge or do u recall the car = as not=20 fit for the society that drives it?

...cant "move=20 on"????
Take your meds and calm down.

They would help you if they found you lying in the = middle of=20 the road. Your
wallet would be safe. They work hard for their = families, and they're so
busy working their butts off making = a living=20 that they really don't have
time to read the news. THAT'S = KEY.
And=20 honestly, they've been underwhelmed by the Democrats'=20 less-than-awesome
marketing of less-than-inspiring candidates = who=20 kinda lacked charisma,
whereas Dubya has this aura that makes = ya=20 think he wants to be your
drinkin' buddy. It's a gift that = not=20 everybody has.
Look at Gore. He was a Southerner, a VietNam = vet, a=20 sportsman, a genuine
bubba, and still the Red States would = have none=20 of it. The fact that they
chose Captain AWOL over Gore points = to=20 feeble Democratic campaigning and,
possibly, Al's stiff = public=20 persona.
Even when you have a good product, ya gotta sell, = sell,=20 sell. Ditto for
Kerry. A good guy, but you can't afford to = shoot=20 yourself in the foot when
you are up against the GOP, the = best=20 salesmen the world has ever seen. And
Kerry did shoot himself = in the=20 foot more than a few times.
The Red Staters had reasons to = vote for=20 Dub. We may not be able to fully
comprehend those reasons, = but WE=20 CANNOT write these people off as HeeHaw
goofballs and inbred = haters.=20 You will not win over anybody if you insult
them, contrary to = what=20 Howard Dean thinks. Resist the urge. Reach out. Try
to find = some=20 common ground.
Sonic Luv,
Tim = Mungenast




[Original Message]
From: Luis Angulo=20 <labalou2000@yahoo.com>
To:=20 <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Date: 9/12/2005 = 4:34:22=20 AM
Subject: Dear RED STATES

This sounds great if you = dont=20 mind i am coming with
you;-!

> Dear Red=20 States...
>
> We've decided we're leaving. We = intend to=20 form our
> own country, and we're
> taking just = the Blue=20 States with us.
>
> In case you aren't aware, that = includes Hawaii,
> California, Oregon,
> = Washington,=20 Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois
> and all the=20 Northeast.
> We believe this split will be beneficial to = the
> nation, and especially to
> the people of = the new=20 country.
>
> To sum up briefly: You get Texas, = Oklahoma=20 and all
> the slave states. We get
> stem cell = research=20 and the best beaches. We get
> Elliot Spitzer. You get=20 Ken
> Lay.
>
> We get the Statue of Liberty. = We get=20 Hollywood and
> Yosemite... You get
> Dollywood. = We get=20 Intel and Microsoft. You get
> WorldCom and Enron. We=20 get
> Harvard. You get Ole' Miss. We get 85 percent = of
>=20 America's venture capital
> and entrepreneurs. You get = Alabama.=20 We get
> two-thirds of the tax revenue,
> you get = to make=20 the red states pay their fair share.
>
> Since our = aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower
> than the=20 Christian
> Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy = families.=20 You
> get a bunch of single
> = moms.
>
> Please=20 be aware that the new country will be
> pro-choice and = anti-war,=20 and
> we're going to want all our citizens back from=20 Iraq
> at once. If you need
> people to fight, ask = your=20 politicians and
> evangelicals. They have kids
> = they're=20 apparently willing to send to their deaths
> for no = purpose, and=20 they
> don't care if you don't show pictures of = their
>=20 children's caskets coming
> home. We do wish you success = in=20 Iraq, and hope that
> the WMDs turn up, but
> = we're not=20 willing to spend our resources in Bush's
>=20 Quagmire.
>
> With the Blue States in hand, we = will have=20 firm
> control of 80 percent of the
> country's = fresh=20 water, more than 90 percent of the
> pineapple and = lettuce,=20 92
> percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent = of
>=20 America's quality wines
> (you can serve French wines at = state=20 dinners) 90
> percent of all cheese, 90
> percent = of the=20 high tech industry, most of the U.S.
> low-sulfur coal,=20 all
> living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the = Ivy
>=20 and Seven Sister schools,
> plus Harvard, Yale, = Stanford, Cal=20 Tech and MIT.
>
> With the Red States, on the = other hand,=20 you will
> have to cope with 88
> percent of all = obese=20 Americans (and their projected
> health care costs), = 92
>=20 percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent
> of = the=20 tornadoes, 90
> percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of = all
> Southern Baptists, virtually
> 100 percent = of all=20 televangelists, Rush Limbaugh,
> Bob Jones = University,
>=20 Clemson and the University of Georgia.
>
> = Additionally,=20 38 percent of those in the Red states
> believe Jonah=20 was
> actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent = believe
>=20 life is sacred unless
> we're discussing the death = penalty or=20 gun laws, 44
> percent say that
> evolution is = only a=20 theory, 53 percent that Saddam
> was involved in 9/11,=20 and
> 61 percent of you crazy bastards believe you = are
>=20 people with high=20 = morals.
>


www.luis-angulo.com



___________= _______________________
Yahoo!=20 Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice=20 = 2005
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------=_NextPart_000_00B5_01C5B801.DD8A8CD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 01:12:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D33A33BF06; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 01:12:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <7CA66A9A-69D9-4D90-B2D9-7BCEC7E18ABC@midway.uchicago.edu> References: <20050912195926.27485.qmail@host222.ipowerweb.com> <7CA66A9A-69D9-4D90-B2D9-7BCEC7E18ABC@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <744788f680a0c1bd11a2f5575e064dd6@lunarium.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jesse Kates Subject: Re: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 20:12:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-DCC-ipwdcc-Metrics: host222.ipowerweb.com 207; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 01:12:47 +0000 (UTC) The pattern holds for all three - California - http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004//pages/results/states/CA/P/00/map.html New York - http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004//pages/results/states/NY/P/00/map.html Florida - http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004//pages/results/states/FL/P/00/map.html And for a very cool look at the issue in general (purple America), see http://www.princeton.edu/~rvdb/JAVA/election2004/ On Sep 12, 2005, at 4:30 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > >> >> 11. I wish I didn't have to explain this over and over again. Please >> - look at the data and spread the word. The blue state/red state >> thing is a farse, > > Thanks for your observations, but one state in particular (imo) stands > out. Can you explain FL (my home state)? I'm not sure the urban/rural > stuff holds up in CA either. Or NY even? But FL in particular... > > Jeff > > > Jesse Kates * www.jessekates.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 02:15:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C9B73BEFB; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 02:15:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=LzLzIwOWxskMMCd5p51xC0oDWQS1ffXnj7+BtEECri0i3oqnEohD8T50mrxrEintOSGod0z4tSIPQggYQmz+dXnxdDhrsSid/ijurp5wcvKc06OcjcBzmti6I3LXxpr3MU0aZ+j5/O2b2eUFcgaSjpj0NdGzEXvhQlsQ2moDopE= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:15:26 -0500 From: Jon Southwood Reply-To: jsouthwood@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Defective EDP or defective brain? In-Reply-To: <4326167E.80606@covad.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4189_20462085.1126577726541" References: <4326167E.80606@covad.net> Resent-Message-ID: <47ITFD.A.EaB.AZjJDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 02:15:28 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4189_20462085.1126577726541 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I'm not 100% sure of this, but this sounds like the EDP is in Delay mode.= =20 You need to use the Parameters button once to edit parameters. The press th= e=20 Record button. You can toggle between Loop and Delay modes by pressing the= =20 record button while in this Parameter edit status. Hope this helps, Jon Southwood On 9/12/05, mail41 wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > First I want to say thanks for all the info I've gleaned from Loopers > Delight, since you all are what convinced me to dive into looping and > the EDP. You also turned me on to Anthony at Altos Music, where I got a > new EDP for $739, foot pedal for $99, with Fed Ex ground shipping. >=20 > So today I got my new EDP and foot controller, full 16 megs Ram, new out > of the box. >=20 > It is *not* behaving as the manual describes. I have 7 days to return it > if it is defective, but I would hate to send it back because I > misunderstand how it is supposed to work. I'm a reasonably intelligent > person, most of the time. Or maybe just the foot controller is screwy? >=20 > Using the foot controller: > I press record, record a loop, press record to end. It plays. Good. > Now, without pressing overdub, everything I play gets recorded onto the > loop. I can undo and remove it, but it continues to record everything, > as if the overdub function is switched on all the time. But the overdub > light doesn't change, just happy green. > When I press overdub and play, nothing gets recorded onto the loop. The > red overdub light does go on and off when I press the button. >=20 > Also, there is no loop number to the left in the display, just the time > length of the loop. Also, the next loop light is always orange after I > first record. > I have tried holding the parameter button down when powering up, but > this hasn't changed anything. >=20 > Is this EDP defective or am I really missing something? >=20 > I truly appreciate your help, >=20 > TJ Sutherland >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------=_Part_4189_20462085.1126577726541 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I'm not 100% sure of this, but this sounds like the EDP is in Delay mode. You need to use the Parameters button once to edit parameters. The press the Record button. You can toggle between Loop and Delay modes by pressing the record button while in this Parameter edit status.
Hope this helps,

Jon Southwood

On 9/12/05, mail41 <ma= il41@covad.net> wrote:
Hi,

First I want to say thanks for all the info I've gleaned from Lo= opers
Delight, since you all are what convinced me to dive into looping = and
the EDP.  You also turned me on to Anthony at Altos Music,= where I got a
new EDP for $739, foot pedal for $99, with Fed Ex ground shipping.
<= br>So today I got my new EDP and foot controller, full 16 megs Ram, new out=
of the box.

It is *not* behaving as the manual describes. I have= 7 days to return it
if it is defective, but I would hate to send it back because I
misun= derstand how it is supposed to work. I'm a reasonably intelligent
person= , most of the time. Or maybe just the foot controller is screwy?

Using the foot controller:
I press record, record a loop, press record t= o end. It plays. Good.
Now, without pressing overdub, everything I play = gets recorded onto the
loop. I can undo and remove it, but it continues = to record everything,
as if the overdub function is switched on all the time. But the overdub=
light doesn't change, just happy green.
When I press overdub and pla= y, nothing gets recorded onto the loop. The
red overdub light does go on= and off when I press the button.

Also, there is no loop number to the left in the display, just the = time
length of the loop. Also, the next loop light is always orange afte= r I
first record.
I have tried holding the parameter button down when= powering up, but
this hasn't changed anything.

Is this EDP defective or am I real= ly missing something?

I truly appreciate your help,

TJ Suther= land




------=_Part_4189_20462085.1126577726541-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 03:14:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27EC13BEF6; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 03:14:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,104,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="80990635:sNHT20776304" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emilet@pop.rcn.com Message-Id: Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:00:02 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance -- Immersions --- Hyde Park, MA 9.24.05 -- 8PM Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 03:14:42 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I'm happy to announce the first event of a monthly improvisation series called Immersions, that will feature my video combined with music and other arts. The series is an exploration of genre busting, mind expansion, media mixing, and any other relevant cliches I've neglected to mention-:) "Immersions" is a monthly intermedia improvisation series built around the core of Doctor T (Video), Dean Stiglitz (ElectroFlute and Electronics) and Ramona Herboldsheimer (Hammered Dulcimer and Other Things) with guest musicians and sometimes dancers or other visual artists. The first edition of Immersions will include myself and Dean, with Bob Trottier "The Dinosaur King", on Electro-Percussion. We may bring in some guest artists as well. Please check it out if you can. Admission is $7.00. Immersions will happen at 8 PM on the third Saturday of the month, at Artists at Large, which is at the First Congregational Church, 6 Webster Street at the intersection of Webster and River in Hyde Park. Phone 617-276-3223. Directions http://artistsatlargeinc.org/directions.html -- "Once the search is in progress, something will be found" -- Brian Eno and Peter Schmidt Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 04:27:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB0FE3BEF8; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 04:27:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <00ba01c5b7f9$7d64e0b0$0207a8c0@eluk1> References: <009101c5b7cf$59099280$0207a8c0@eluk1> <8429888ca3e6cbf4af2acc0b74119ef1@bartholomusic.com> <00ba01c5b7f9$7d64e0b0$0207a8c0@eluk1> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-102057064 Message-Id: <496c3bb34c39356ee352b8460b8e3bbe@bartholomusic.com> From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:27:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 66.226.64.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 04:27:10 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-102057064 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed maybe ur too calm ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 12, 2005, at 7:24 PM, Stephen Goodman wrote: > =A0 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Adrian Bartholomew > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Monday, 12 September, 2005 20:36 PM > Subject: Re: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES > > > ___ > Adrian Bartholomew > Leawood KS > On Sep 12, 2005, at 2:22 PM, Stephen Goodman wrote: > > > From: "Timothy Mungenast" > To: > Sent: Monday, 12 September, 2005 17:23 PM > Subject: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES > > > > Sounds good, but I'd miss ZZ Top, I'd miss Moon Pies, and besides,=20 > I've got > a whole passel of red-state relatives who think Dubya is just great. > I'm not sure that re-starting the Civil War is the answer. > Let's try to understand Bush supporters-- aside from a few cynical > plutocrats, most Bush supporters are basically good-hearted folks=20 > (like my > Mom) who were raised in very socially conservative households and = would > vote for a bag of popcorn if it ran on a ProLife platform. Anything=20 > that > even vaguely smells of hippiedom is anathema to them. > > Not really. I'm a Republican but somehow not a raving fundamentalist=20= > drone. > Whoops, that one doesn't work. Neither does the line being=20 > continuously fed > through the media about the 2000 and 2004 elections somehow causing a > permanent divide in our country. Somehow it only seems to exist in the > minds of people who can't um, 'move on'. > > so do u blame the folks who get married and then divorced. the 66% of=20= > them? and growing? or do u investigate what the institution itself=20 > means in this day and this age? > do u question the folks who cant drive properly and who misuse a car=20= > out of lack of "car" knowledge or do u recall the car as not fit for=20= > the society that drives it? > > ...cant "move on"???? > Take your meds and calm down. > > > They would help you if they found you lying in the middle of the road.=20= > Your > wallet would be safe. They work hard for their families, and they're = so > busy working their butts off making a living that they really don't=20 > have > time to read the news. THAT'S KEY. > And honestly, they've been underwhelmed by the Democrats'=20 > less-than-awesome > marketing of less-than-inspiring candidates who kinda lacked charisma, > whereas Dubya has this aura that makes ya think he wants to be your > drinkin' buddy. It's a gift that not everybody has. > Look at Gore. He was a Southerner, a VietNam vet, a sportsman, a=20 > genuine > bubba, and still the Red States would have none of it. The fact that=20= > they > chose Captain AWOL over Gore points to feeble Democratic campaigning=20= > and, > possibly, Al's stiff public persona. > Even when you have a good product, ya gotta sell, sell, sell. Ditto = for > Kerry. A good guy, but you can't afford to shoot yourself in the foot=20= > when > you are up against the GOP, the best salesmen the world has ever seen.=20= > And > Kerry did shoot himself in the foot more than a few times. > The Red Staters had reasons to vote for Dub. We may not be able to=20 > fully > comprehend those reasons, but WE CANNOT write these people off as=20 > HeeHaw > goofballs and inbred haters. You will not win over anybody if you=20 > insult > them, contrary to what Howard Dean thinks. Resist the urge. Reach out.=20= > Try > to find some common ground. > Sonic Luv, > Tim Mungenast > > > > > > [Original Message] > From: Luis Angulo > To: > Date: 9/12/2005 4:34:22 AM > Subject: Dear RED STATES > > This sounds great if you dont mind i am coming with > you;-! > > > Dear Red States... > > > > We've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our > > own country, and we're > > taking just the Blue States with us. > > > > In case you aren't aware, that includes Hawaii, > > California, Oregon, > > Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois > > and all the Northeast. > > We believe this split will be beneficial to the > > nation, and especially to > > the people of the new country. > > > > To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all > > the slave states. We get > > stem cell research and the best beaches. We get > > Elliot Spitzer. You get Ken > > Lay. > > > > We get the Statue of Liberty. We get Hollywood and > > Yosemite... You get > > Dollywood. We get Intel and Microsoft. You get > > WorldCom and Enron. We get > > Harvard. You get Ole' Miss. We get 85 percent of > > America's venture capital > > and entrepreneurs. You get Alabama. We get > > two-thirds of the tax revenue, > > you get to make the red states pay their fair share. > > > > Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower > > than the Christian > > Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You > > get a bunch of single > > moms. > > > > Please be aware that the new country will be > > pro-choice and anti-war, and > > we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq > > at once. If you need > > people to fight, ask your politicians and > > evangelicals. They have kids > > they're apparently willing to send to their deaths > > for no purpose, and they > > don't care if you don't show pictures of their > > children's caskets coming > > home. We do wish you success in Iraq, and hope that > > the WMDs turn up, but > > we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's > > Quagmire. > > > > With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm > > control of 80 percent of the > > country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the > > pineapple and lettuce, 92 > > percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of > > America's quality wines > > (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90 > > percent of all cheese, 90 > > percent of the high tech industry, most of the U.S. > > low-sulfur coal, all > > living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy > > and Seven Sister schools, > > plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT. > > > > With the Red States, on the other hand, you will > > have to cope with 88 > > percent of all obese Americans (and their projected > > health care costs), 92 > > percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent > > of the tornadoes, 90 > > percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all > > Southern Baptists, virtually > > 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, > > Bob Jones University, > > Clemson and the University of Georgia. > > > > Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states > > believe Jonah was > > actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe > > life is sacred unless > > we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44 > > percent say that > > evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam > > was involved in 9/11, and > > 61 percent of you crazy bastards believe you are > > people with high morals. > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > --Apple-Mail-1-102057064 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 maybe ur too calm ___7979,0404,0909 Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 12, 2005, at 7:24 PM, Stephen Goodman wrote: =A0 Arial----- Original Message ----- Arial = From: 0000,0000,EEEEAdrian Bartholomew = = ArialTo:Arial = 0000,0000,EEEELoopers-D= elight@loopers-delight.com = = ArialSent:Arial Monday, 12 September, 2005 20:36 PM = ArialSubject:Arial Re: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 12, 2005, at 2:22 PM, Stephen Goodman wrote: From: "Timothy Mungenast" <<0000,0000,EEEEmungenast@earthlink.net> To: = <<0000,0000,EEEELoopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<= /color>> Sent: Monday, 12 September, 2005 17:23 PM Subject: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES Sounds good, but I'd miss ZZ Top, I'd miss Moon Pies, and besides, I've got a whole passel of red-state relatives who think Dubya is just great. I'm not sure that re-starting the Civil War is the answer. Let's try to understand Bush supporters-- aside from a few cynical plutocrats, most Bush supporters are basically good-hearted folks (like my Mom) who were raised in very socially conservative households and would vote for a bag of popcorn if it ran on a ProLife platform. Anything that even vaguely smells of hippiedom is anathema to them. Not really. I'm a Republican but somehow not a raving fundamentalist drone. Whoops, that one doesn't work. Neither does the line being continuously fed through the media about the 2000 and 2004 elections somehow causing a permanent divide in our country. Somehow it only seems to exist in the minds of people who can't um, 'move on'. so do u blame the folks who get married and then divorced. the 66% of them? and growing? or do u investigate what the institution itself means in this day and this age? do u question the folks who cant drive properly and who misuse a car out of lack of "car" knowledge or do u recall the car as not fit for the society that drives it? ...cant "move on"???? Take your meds and calm down. They would help you if they found you lying in the middle of the road. Your wallet would be safe. They work hard for their families, and they're so busy working their butts off making a living that they really don't have time to read the news. THAT'S KEY. And honestly, they've been underwhelmed by the Democrats' less-than-awesome marketing of less-than-inspiring candidates who kinda lacked charisma, whereas Dubya has this aura that makes ya think he wants to be your drinkin' buddy. It's a gift that not everybody has. Look at Gore. He was a Southerner, a VietNam vet, a sportsman, a genuine bubba, and still the Red States would have none of it. The fact that they chose Captain AWOL over Gore points to feeble Democratic campaigning and, possibly, Al's stiff public persona. Even when you have a good product, ya gotta sell, sell, sell. Ditto for Kerry. A good guy, but you can't afford to shoot yourself in the foot when you are up against the GOP, the best salesmen the world has ever seen. And Kerry did shoot himself in the foot more than a few times. The Red Staters had reasons to vote for Dub. We may not be able to fully comprehend those reasons, but WE CANNOT write these people off as HeeHaw goofballs and inbred haters. You will not win over anybody if you insult them, contrary to what Howard Dean thinks. Resist the urge. Reach out. Try to find some common ground. Sonic Luv, Tim Mungenast [Original Message] From: Luis Angulo < To: < Date: 9/12/2005 4:34:22 AM Subject: Dear RED STATES This sounds great if you dont mind i am coming with you;-! > Dear Red States... > > We've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our > own country, and we're > taking just the Blue States with us. > > In case you aren't aware, that includes Hawaii, > California, Oregon, > Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois > and all the Northeast. > We believe this split will be beneficial to the > nation, and especially to > the people of the new country. > > To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all > the slave states. We get > stem cell research and the best beaches. We get > Elliot Spitzer. You get Ken > Lay. > > We get the Statue of Liberty. We get Hollywood and > Yosemite... You get > Dollywood. We get Intel and Microsoft. You get > WorldCom and Enron. We get > Harvard. You get Ole' Miss. We get 85 percent of > America's venture capital > and entrepreneurs. You get Alabama. We get > two-thirds of the tax revenue, > you get to make the red states pay their fair share. > > Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower > than the Christian > Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You > get a bunch of single > moms. > > Please be aware that the new country will be > pro-choice and anti-war, and > we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq > at once. If you need > people to fight, ask your politicians and > evangelicals. They have kids > they're apparently willing to send to their deaths > for no purpose, and they > don't care if you don't show pictures of their > children's caskets coming > home. We do wish you success in Iraq, and hope that > the WMDs turn up, but > we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's > Quagmire. > > With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm > control of 80 percent of the > country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the > pineapple and lettuce, 92 > percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of > America's quality wines > (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90 > percent of all cheese, 90 > percent of the high tech industry, most of the U.S. > low-sulfur coal, all > living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy > and Seven Sister schools, > plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT. > > With the Red States, on the other hand, you will > have to cope with 88 > percent of all obese Americans (and their projected > health care costs), 92 > percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent > of the tornadoes, 90 > percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all > Southern Baptists, virtually > 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, > Bob Jones University, > Clemson and the University of Georgia. > > Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states > believe Jonah was > actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe > life is sacred unless > we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44 > percent say that > evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam > was involved in 9/11, and > 61 percent of you crazy bastards believe you are > people with high morals. > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com = --Apple-Mail-1-102057064-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 07:26:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DE1E3BF0A; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 07:26:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <002201c5b7eb$6aa2f830$2101a8c0@alhambra> References: <002201c5b7eb$6aa2f830$2101a8c0@alhambra> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <92BE4DB9-E390-4B05-B4D7-B7C36C7B7AAB@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:26:04 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 07:26:09 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Using a midi controller pedal, running my EDP with 76 as the midi note number offset (parameter "Source #") I was able to directly access different loops. Like, if using MoreLoops=3, I got: note 85 = loop 1 note 86 = loop 2 note 87 = loop 3 ...etc (I have tried it with up to "MoreLoops = 9". Since I can't find anything about this functionality in the LOOP4 manual I wonder: What is it? Even more strange it gets when I reduce the "Source #" setting to zero and the SAME note numbers do still access individual loops! Are these MIDI note numbers sort of hot wired to individual loops - no matter what the Source # offset? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 07:43:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C9D43BF0D; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 07:43:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:42:18 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <410-220059112162312850@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:34:49 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.116.128 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: <3NE4uC.A.MmC.IMoJDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 07:43:04 +0000 (UTC) > The Red Staters had reasons to vote for Dub. We may not be able to fully > comprehend those reasons, but WE CANNOT write these people off as HeeHaw > goofballs and inbred haters. You will not win over anybody if you insult > them, contrary to what Howard Dean thinks. Resist the urge. Reach out. Try > to find some common ground. very good Tim. 'Dear red states' is a fun article to read and it is tempting to make fun of Bush lovers, or hate them because they are often so hateful and stupid, but of course this won't help anyone. Trying to see their reasons, and respect that they can't do otherwise, is the only valid position even though it may be difficult. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 08:07:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EEB13BF05; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 08:07:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002601c5b83a$34ff55d0$0301a8c0@mlimli> From: "claude voit" To: References: <25441017.1126554776063.JavaMail.root@vms071.mailsrvcs.net> Subject: Re: Re: lexicon boxes (to kim) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:07:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 08:07:43 +0000 (UTC) What single male ?? sorry I can nt cntrl mst snd Cl02 > > kim.....what single malt does she like?.....:) > > http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 08:19:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBF7A3BF11; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 08:19:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006101c5b83b$c9744a30$0301a8c0@mlimli> From: "claude voit" To: References: <4326167E.80606@covad.net> Subject: Re: Defective EDP or defective brain? Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:18:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 08:19:01 +0000 (UTC) TJ 1-you switched ur edp to delay mode 2- you can reset the edp to factory state by powering with the params buttons 3- you are missing 2 or 3 weeks with your manual and your edp before asking something here hey the edp manual is more than 300pages worth of the minimum info you need to know it all 4- welcome in the uberLooper vip lounge Claude > > First I want to say thanks for all the info I've gleaned from Loopers > Delight, since you all are what convinced me to dive into looping and the > EDP. You also turned me on to Anthony at Altos Music, where I got a new > EDP for $739, foot pedal for $99, with Fed Ex ground shipping. > > So today I got my new EDP and foot controller, full 16 megs Ram, new out > of the box. > It is *not* behaving as the manual describes. I have 7 days to return it > if it is defective, but I would hate to send it back because I > misunderstand how it is supposed to work. I'm a reasonably intelligent > person, most of the time. Or maybe just the foot controller is screwy? > > Using the foot controller: > I press record, record a loop, press record to end. It plays. Good. > Now, without pressing overdub, everything I play gets recorded onto the > loop. I can undo and remove it, but it continues to record everything, as > if the overdub function is switched on all the time. But the overdub light > doesn't change, just happy green. > When I press overdub and play, nothing gets recorded onto the loop. The > red overdub light does go on and off when I press the button. > > Also, there is no loop number to the left in the display, just the time > length of the loop. Also, the next loop light is always orange after I > first record. > I have tried holding the parameter button down when powering up, but this > hasn't changed anything. > > Is this EDP defective or am I really missing something? > > I truly appreciate your help, > > TJ Sutherland > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 08:46:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5EBA3BF06; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 08:46:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050911221738.10ea5558@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 01:45:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? In-Reply-To: <9886a4eb554254f258dac8b01dc52ce0@bartholomusic.com> References: <20050910022146.57912.qmail@web54613.mail.yahoo.com> <9886a4eb554254f258dac8b01dc52ce0@bartholomusic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <-7DF3.A.9ZE.NHpJDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 08:46:05 +0000 (UTC) At 08:49 AM 9/11/2005, Adrian Bartholomew wrote: >ITS PERFECT. go with the 1010. hmmm, I would say the FCB1010 is ok, but only compared to other midi controllers currently available. But that is only because most of the others available today are really horrible. Only the Rocktron All Access seems better than the Behringer FCB1010, but much more expensive. Compared to some past midi controllers however, the Behringer FCB1010 is really weak. The Digitech PMC-10 and the Lake-Butler RFC-1 Midigator were really exceptional, full-featured midi pedals, and completely blow away anything available today. Both are long out of production. They are really hard to find today because people really treasure them. If you can find one, get it. It is really sad that nobody makes something comparable. I wish somebody would just copy the old Digitech PMC-10 architecture. >the EDP foot controller response time is good. dont get me wrong. but the >reliability is NOT. from what i understand, its not voltage controlled, >its RESISTANCE controlled. maybe that is the problem in the 1st place. >others may refute me but i have one and it sucks. any contamination of the >buttons can set off the resistances and ur then screwed...ONSTAGE. I've seen you make these accusations about our poor pedal design a few times Adrian, so allow me to explain the design goals we sought in creating the Echoplex footpedal controller. First of all, the people involved in the Echoplex design are all musicians in addition to engineers. In fact we were all musicians before we were engineers. We've used many different pieces of gear as musicians. We've dragged our gear around for rehearsals and gigs. We've experienced problematic gear over time that irritated us or broke on us or couldn't be worked around at the last minute, and we sought to do better with the Echoplex. We designed the Echoplex pedal to hopefully address many of these problems that we had been irritated by in other gear. So despite what you say, reliability was one of the key design goals. (I'll come back to the issue of what "reliability" means a bit later.) First, let's cover the design requirements we came up with for the Echoplex pedal: - The pedal should not use a proprietary cable. Cables will go bad. We've all experienced it. If you can't replace the cable at the last minute because it is some proprietary special-order thing, you are screwed. So, the pedal must use a cable anybody can get easily, or preferably something they likely have anyway. - The cable must not be fixed to the unit. Since we don't know how big your stage is, we want to let you choose how long of a cable you need. We also want you to be able to replace it easily if the cable dies. Especially for transporting gear, attached cables get bent in strange ways and suffer tremendous strain. It will be better if it is easily detached. - There should only be one cable between pedal and rack. More cables means more points of failure. More cost to the user. More crap cluttering up the stage. More connections to be made while setting up before the gig. More things to connect the wrong way by mistake. More jacks to fail. One cable must be enough for the Echoplex pedal. - The pedal should not require power. Power supplies fail often, especially power supplies out on stage where they deal with beer, power surges, booted stage divers and etc., and therefore anything requiring a power supply is less reliable than a passive device. A power supply requirement also adds to the inconvenience. This requires power brought out to the stage, and an additional cable connection be made to the pedal. - The pedal must be very simple in design, so it is easy to repair on the road. Anything on the floor of a stage will get broken eventually, so assume field repairable is essential. This pedal will be getting stomped on, kicked around, getting beer spilled on it, getting rained on, sitting in the hot sun in the summer, freezing in the winter, etc. No matter what you do it will break for somebody. It should be easy for the user to open the pedal up and fix it. - It should be easy for people to make custom controllers. Most people probably want a pedal, but not all. Some want to make their own custom pedal. We have no idea what the others may want. It should be easy for those who want something different to create their own controller without much engineering knowledge or other sophistication. The pedal design should be very simple for this to be possible. - The pedal design must be very inexpensive to produce. People are spending their money on the EDP, the foot controller should not be a huge extra expense. The target manufacturing cost for parts, fabrication, assembly, packaging, etc. should be less than $20. - The switches themselves must a) be quiet when pressed, b) have reasonably low force required for activation, c) have a reasonably short throw length, d) have a good tactile feel. This is so the musician can easily feel the connection point for tapping loop functions, which a generally very rhythmic and demand precision. In our opinion, these design goals were very friendly towards musicians, at least according to our real-world experience as musicians. So my challenge to you Adrian, is what would you design to meet these requirements? You think our design sucks, so I would very much like to hear your better idea. Perhaps you are a brilliant engineer, and we can all learn from you! Now, given the design goals above, allow me to tell you how we chose to meet them when we designed the Echoplex Digital Pro. Our Echoplex pedal design used 7 resistors, 7 switches, one mono 1/4" patch cable (just like you would use for a guitar, or even a speaker cable), one cable jack, steel chassis, and no external power. This means: - Very few components, so there is little there to break. - It is really easy to figure out how the pedal works if you open it, so most anybody can figure out how to repair it quickly if there is a problem. - We published the resistor values in the manual, so anybody could make their own controller if they wished. It's really easy to do. - The switches are common momentary switches, and there are numerous options for those if you want to use something different from what we used. However we did spend a lot of time trying switches, and we did not find anything that met our goals for remotely close to the cost of the ones we used. We created the pedal itself to be a very simple design to ensure reliability, while all the smarts are in the rack unit. Simple stuff has less ways to break. The pedal simply sets a voltage, and the rack unit reads the voltage with an a/d convertor to interpret the function. Contrary to recent claims here on the LD list, the switch is debounced twice. First it is debounced in the rack with a capacitor before the a/d convertor , and then debounced again in software, where the value is checked multiple times to ensure it is correctly read. There is a wide tolerance given to the voltage range for each function, so even if things are off a bit, it should still work. I thought our design was rather clever, and I was always proud that we managed to get 7 buttons of control communicated through just a simple patch cord. But I'm now looking forward to Adrian educating me on better ideas. Our Echoplex design has been working pretty well since 1994. Many pedals have been working that long without problems (including mine). The design itself generally does not fail. Usually the only problems seen are with switches failing in various ways. (like getting dirty.) A failing switch is a failing switch. Any pedal will have a problem if the switches fail, so that is not a problem unique to the Echoplex. And that brings up an interesting point. If you are into looping, you will be tapping buttons and switches a lot. Probably much more than on any other device you use. Switches wear out when used frequently. (you may not be used to this.) They get dirty. They break. They become intermittent. You need to start thinking about switches similar to the way guitarists think about strings, or DJ's think about crossfaders, or saxophonists think about reeds, or drummers think about drum heads, or like the oil in your car. Looper switches are commodities that wear out and need regular replacement and/or care. It has nothing to do with it being an Echoplex pedal or a boss or a digitech or whatever. If you are stepping on it a lot, the switch will wear out. Be prepared or be sorry. And I can guarantee you - you know those switches on your FCB1010? If you use it for looping, their gonna break also. It's just a matter of time. Do you know how to fix them? Now, let's talk about reliability. What is more reliable, the Echoplex pedal, or a midi pedal like the Behringer FCB1010? How do you determine that objectively? Reliability is an engineering science. It is not a guessing game. It is also not my engineering specialty, but I work with reliability engineers who are very good. I don't know exactly how they do their reliability calculations, but I do know what information I need to specify to them, and what results they provide back. (another reason why I think it is funny when people think laptops are a good thing to bring on stage, but that is another topic.) Here are some parameters that go into a reliability calculation: - how many components are used - what is the individual reliability of each component in the usage conditions - how many component pins are connected - how many electrical connection points (solder joints, connectors, sockets, etc.) - what sort of shock and vibration will it experience - Is the device powered - If it is powered, what voltages and voltage tolerances are used (and how do they affect individual device reliability characteristics, as each device will be different depending on its own manufacturing process.) - if powered, What are the temperature ranges where it operates - what are humidity ranges where it operates All these factors go into calculating the MTBF (mean time before failure). Half the units made will fail before that time, and half after, with some statistical distribution. (I think it is gaussian, but I'm not sure.) Now, considering all that, any midi pedal (including the Behringer FCB) will have far more parts, far more device pins, far more connection points, will be powered, will have more external connections, will be more affected by temperature, more affected by humidity, etc., than the overwhelmingly simple Echoplex pedal. In other words, if you really do a serious reliability analysis, a midi pedal will always prove to be less reliable than the Echoplex pedal, and probably it is the least reliable device you are using. On the other hand, if you do use a good midi controller pedal with the Echoplex, you will have far more flexibility and access to commands than you do with the pedal or the Echoplex front panel (assuming you are using LoopIV in your Echoplex, LoopIII wasn't so interesting for midi). A good midi pedal is far more useful with the Echoplex, and that may be an excellent reason to choose the midi pedal option! It is great to have choices, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 09:15:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29B043BF13; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:15:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <92BE4DB9-E390-4B05-B4D7-B7C36C7B7AAB@boysen.se> References: <002201c5b7eb$6aa2f830$2101a8c0@alhambra> <92BE4DB9-E390-4B05-B4D7-B7C36C7B7AAB@boysen.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7F94EA92-260B-41AC-A502-DF9C1BA116CC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:15:22 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:15:27 +0000 (UTC) Found this in the manual: > LoopTrig > The default value for LoopTrig is now 84 to make room for the > expanded MIDI commands. I have a feeling that this kind of answers my question (below)? / per On Sep 13, 2005, at 9:26, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi, > > Using a midi controller pedal, running my EDP with 76 as the midi > note number offset (parameter "Source #") I was able to directly > access different loops. Like, if using MoreLoops=3, I got: > > note 85 = loop 1 > note 86 = loop 2 > note 87 = loop 3 > > ...etc (I have tried it with up to "MoreLoops = 9". > > Since I can't find anything about this functionality in the LOOP4 > manual I wonder: What is it? > > Even more strange it gets when I reduce the "Source #" setting to > zero and the SAME note numbers do still access individual loops! > Are these MIDI note numbers sort of hot wired to individual loops - > no matter what the Source # offset? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 09:23:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91F0F3BF05; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:23:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,104,1125874800"; d="scan'208"; a="17287449:sNHT505341914" Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050913101252.02d9fb80@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:17:06 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly In-Reply-To: <20050913084606.2EE1B3BF05@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050913084606.2EE1B3BF05@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:23:31 +0000 (UTC) >I was able to directly >access different loops. Like, if using MoreLoops=3, I got: > >note 85 = loop 1 >note 86 = loop 2 >note 87 = loop 3 > >Since I can't find anything about this functionality in the LOOP4 >manual I wonder: What is it? > >Even more strange it gets when I reduce the "Source #" let me call you unto verse 4-36 ...and the LoopTrig# parameter did allow of such wondrous behaviour. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 09:58:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8FBF3BF06; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:58:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:58:06 +0200 Message-ID: <001b01c5b849$a69e9020$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <7F94EA92-260B-41AC-A502-DF9C1BA116CC@boysen.se> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:58:28 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per I think it does. I wanted to reply to your question. I'm a (lucky) = PMC-10 owner with LD list member Sean Echevarria's splendid Raymond editor (http://www.creepingfog.com/sean/pmc/raymond.htm) and looked up my = patches that allow accessing all 16 loops randomly and indeed the first is MIDI = note 84 (hex 54), the last 99 (hex 63) But if you check page 7-5 of the edp manual (http://www.gibson.com/Files/Downloads/PDFs/Gibson/EchoplexPlusManual12.p= df) it says: When multiple loops have been set up with the MoreLoops parameter, you can trigger them directly with MIDI Note messages. The LoopTrig parameter defines the base Note for Loop 1. The consecutive Loops occupy the notes above that, so Loop 2 is LoopTrig+1, Loop 3 is LoopTrig+2, etc. (oops, just saw Andy's post...) Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Dienstag, 13. September 2005 11:15 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly >=20 > Found this in the manual: >=20 > > LoopTrig > > The default value for LoopTrig is now 84 to make room for the > > expanded MIDI commands. >=20 > I have a feeling that this kind of answers my question (below)? >=20 > / per >=20 >=20 > On Sep 13, 2005, at 9:26, Per Boysen wrote: >=20 > > Hi, > > > > Using a midi controller pedal, running my EDP with 76 as the midi > > note number offset (parameter "Source #") I was able to directly > > access different loops. Like, if using MoreLoops=3D3, I got: > > > > note 85 =3D loop 1 > > note 86 =3D loop 2 > > note 87 =3D loop 3 > > > > ...etc (I have tried it with up to "MoreLoops =3D 9". > > > > Since I can't find anything about this functionality in the LOOP4 > > manual I wonder: What is it? > > > > Even more strange it gets when I reduce the "Source #" setting to > > zero and the SAME note numbers do still access individual loops! > > Are these MIDI note numbers sort of hot wired to individual loops - > > no matter what the Source # offset? > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.looproom.com (international) > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 10:44:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E4F13BF05; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:44:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <001b01c5b849$a69e9020$2101a8c0@alhambra> References: <001b01c5b849$a69e9020$2101a8c0@alhambra> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:44:37 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: <81-vzD.A.2cH.Z2qJDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:44:42 +0000 (UTC) Thank you, Andy and Bernhard. That was exactly what I found out by praxis, but I didn't have the new manual. I only had the printed one that came with my EDP from Tace Elliot Ltd. I will immediately read this new manual, although my machine is not a "plus" version (any difference?). Trying here to work out performance strategies for Expert Mode without using an analog volume pedal. I simply stuck a plug into the foot pedal input and use MIDI pedals. Seems to work as far as I can see for now. New manual hint comes in very handy. Thanks for the tip, Bernhard? (... BTW - did The Bernhards ever record something?) / per On Sep 13, 2005, at 11:58, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > Hi Per > > I think it does. I wanted to reply to your question. I'm a (lucky) > PMC-10 > owner with LD list member Sean Echevarria's splendid Raymond editor > (http://www.creepingfog.com/sean/pmc/raymond.htm) and looked up my > patches > that allow accessing all 16 loops randomly and indeed the first is > MIDI note > 84 (hex 54), the last 99 (hex 63) > > But if you check page 7-5 of the edp manual > (http://www.gibson.com/Files/Downloads/PDFs/Gibson/ > EchoplexPlusManual12.pdf) > it says: > When multiple loops have been set up with the MoreLoops parameter, > you can trigger them directly with MIDI Note messages. The LoopTrig > parameter defines the base Note for Loop 1. The consecutive Loops > occupy the notes above that, so Loop 2 is LoopTrig+1, Loop 3 is > LoopTrig+2, etc. > > (oops, just saw Andy's post...) > > Bernhard > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] >> Sent: Dienstag, 13. September 2005 11:15 >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly >> >> Found this in the manual: >> >> >>> LoopTrig >>> The default value for LoopTrig is now 84 to make room for the >>> expanded MIDI commands. >>> >> >> I have a feeling that this kind of answers my question (below)? >> >> / per >> >> >> On Sep 13, 2005, at 9:26, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Using a midi controller pedal, running my EDP with 76 as the midi >>> note number offset (parameter "Source #") I was able to directly >>> access different loops. Like, if using MoreLoops=3, I got: >>> >>> note 85 = loop 1 >>> note 86 = loop 2 >>> note 87 = loop 3 >>> >>> ...etc (I have tried it with up to "MoreLoops = 9". >>> >>> Since I can't find anything about this functionality in the LOOP4 >>> manual I wonder: What is it? >>> >>> Even more strange it gets when I reduce the "Source #" setting to >>> zero and the SAME note numbers do still access individual loops! >>> Are these MIDI note numbers sort of hot wired to individual loops - >>> no matter what the Source # offset? >>> >>> Greetings from Sweden >>> >>> Per Boysen >>> www.looproom.com (international) >>> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >>> ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) >>> www.cdbaby.com/perboysen >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 10:52:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 025013BEF8; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:52:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: <001b01c5b849$a69e9020$2101a8c0@alhambra> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6A9A009D-3342-48BE-9727-64E7B30AA6E7@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:52:09 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:52:13 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 13, 2005, at 12:44, Per Boysen wrote: > .... performance strategies for Expert Mode without using an analog > volume pedal. I simply stuck a plug into the foot pedal input... Ooops... I meant * the feedback pedal input *. Sorry for the confusing typo. / per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 11:09:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFE203BF00; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:09:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:09:24 +0200 Message-ID: <002401c5b853$9c8deb30$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:09:45 +0000 (UTC) > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Dienstag, 13. September 2005 12:45 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly >=20 > Thank you, Andy and Bernhard. That was exactly what I found out by > praxis, but I didn't have the new manual. I only had the printed one > that came with my EDP from Tace Elliot Ltd. I will immediately read > this new manual, although my machine is not a "plus" version (any > difference?). Not as far as I know. I've heard of occasional compatibility problems = when BrotherSyncing with EDPs of other eras, e.g. EDP Plus. Nothing that = couldn't be solved with an exchange of crystals, AFAIK. If you want to save time (not having to make the diff between old and = new manual), read this: http://www.aurisis.com/products/loopIV/LoopIVGuide.pdf >=20 > Trying here to work out performance strategies for Expert Mode > without using an analog volume pedal. I simply stuck a plug into the > foot pedal input and use MIDI pedals. Seems to work as far as I can > see for now. New manual hint comes in very handy. Thanks for the tip, > Bernhard? (... BTW - did The Bernhards ever record something?) They did indeed! Bernard Bashful (aka William Walker) just recently threatened the other two with the imminent disclosure of this raw, = shocking, yet intriguing material! BTW: They're called "The Bernards" (note the missing "h"). Stay tuned! Bernhard Bernard ;) >=20 > / per >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Sep 13, 2005, at 11:58, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: >=20 > > Hi Per > > > > I think it does. I wanted to reply to your question. I'm a (lucky) > > PMC-10 > > owner with LD list member Sean Echevarria's splendid Raymond editor > > (http://www.creepingfog.com/sean/pmc/raymond.htm) and looked up my > > patches > > that allow accessing all 16 loops randomly and indeed the first is > > MIDI note > > 84 (hex 54), the last 99 (hex 63) > > > > But if you check page 7-5 of the edp manual > > (http://www.gibson.com/Files/Downloads/PDFs/Gibson/ > > EchoplexPlusManual12.pdf) > > it says: > > When multiple loops have been set up with the MoreLoops parameter, > > you can trigger them directly with MIDI Note messages. The LoopTrig > > parameter defines the base Note for Loop 1. The consecutive Loops > > occupy the notes above that, so Loop 2 is LoopTrig+1, Loop 3 is > > LoopTrig+2, etc. > > > > (oops, just saw Andy's post...) > > > > Bernhard > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > >> Sent: Dienstag, 13. September 2005 11:15 > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: Re: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops = directly > >> > >> Found this in the manual: > >> > >> > >>> LoopTrig > >>> The default value for LoopTrig is now 84 to make room for the > >>> expanded MIDI commands. > >>> > >> > >> I have a feeling that this kind of answers my question (below)? > >> > >> / per > >> > >> > >> On Sep 13, 2005, at 9:26, Per Boysen wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> Using a midi controller pedal, running my EDP with 76 as the midi > >>> note number offset (parameter "Source #") I was able to directly > >>> access different loops. Like, if using MoreLoops=3D3, I got: > >>> > >>> note 85 =3D loop 1 > >>> note 86 =3D loop 2 > >>> note 87 =3D loop 3 > >>> > >>> ...etc (I have tried it with up to "MoreLoops =3D 9". > >>> > >>> Since I can't find anything about this functionality in the LOOP4 > >>> manual I wonder: What is it? > >>> > >>> Even more strange it gets when I reduce the "Source #" setting to > >>> zero and the SAME note numbers do still access individual loops! > >>> Are these MIDI note numbers sort of hot wired to individual loops = - > >>> no matter what the Source # offset? > >>> > >>> Greetings from Sweden > >>> > >>> Per Boysen > >>> www.looproom.com (international) > >>> www.boysen.se (Swedish) > >>> ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > >>> www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 13:08:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECA763BF01; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:08:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=w7VCwpJF2uaowF9AgHTOFaT1A6glWlwrN93GOrdu3KeO/x16DXag537o0D36hxSVqgBo+TnQr7vS7NoyBoEMNZYZjftz9vyYllTD0kFxJdAgIk4zhHzuj5VgKuuQJsd/bV2IelDV1ry+NsYD070sLS/gdzqYA4hz2wry3O+xWgQ= ; Message-ID: <20050913130859.94238.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 06:08:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: RE: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002401c5b853$9c8deb30$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <2ZqNcB.A.StE.r9sJDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:08:59 +0000 (UTC) Ive been wanting to do this is it possible with the FCB1010 although it only sends note on? > > > When multiple loops have been set up with the > MoreLoops parameter, > > > you can trigger them directly with MIDI Note > messages. The LoopTrig > > > parameter defines the base Note for Loop 1. The > consecutive Loops > > > occupy the notes above that, so Loop 2 is > LoopTrig+1, Loop 3 is > > > LoopTrig+2, etc. > > > > > > (oops, just saw Andy's post...) > > > > > > Bernhard www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 13:55:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22C963BF07; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:55:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=o+V6loHqz66PSh/7FeFS5dGXmjdGC/YWAJIve77/bO76rpQHTiimvoJ/kAPr7efCmMRHUyuBHzyyI0uFhJzHsllqH8kR9r9at9Jw6nQhrJFq/gl1cHGXryB09aqEuIaM7jmzhV6xVdyIYsc5dZOkQCADqGXMOwu2wPVeEl1HoOU= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 06:55:55 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: travishartnett@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050911221738.10ea5558@loopers-delight.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050910022146.57912.qmail@web54613.mail.yahoo.com> <9886a4eb554254f258dac8b01dc52ce0@bartholomusic.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20050911221738.10ea5558@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:55:57 +0000 (UTC) Well said, Kim. One thing I'd always wondered though was why more features weren't accessible through resistor values not incorporated into the footswitch, such as halfspeed, individual loop access, separate access to rounded/unrounded multiply/record, etc? That'd allow people access to the deeper features without a MIDI controller. TravisH On 9/13/05, Kim Flint wrote: > At 08:49 AM 9/11/2005, Adrian Bartholomew wrote: > >ITS PERFECT. go with the 1010. >=20 > hmmm, I would say the FCB1010 is ok, but only compared to other midi > controllers currently available. But that is only because most of the > others available today are really horrible. Only the Rocktron All Access > seems better than the Behringer FCB1010, but much more expensive. >=20 > Compared to some past midi controllers however, the Behringer FCB1010 is > really weak. [snip] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 14:03:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CBA33BF0F; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:03:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <4326DC45.000053.04020@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 07:03:49 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_DQDRCRK5BHK000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <496c3bb34c39356ee352b8460b8e3bbe@bartholomusic.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:03:51 +0000 (UTC) --------------Boundary-00=_DQDRCRK5BHK000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Keep in mind the rule of the game. It's the separation between people whi= ch give government power. Government doe not care what the separation factor= is =2E..as long as it exist. If it exist, it can be exploited. This is the b= ases of all internal and external government structure since day one. =0D =0D Its the masses separation, us and them, which provides the foundation of = a power based. Until people learn to care and think as a whole, we'll be dancing in this circle of constrcution and destruction. =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Date: 09/12/05 21:27:12=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: Re: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES=0D =0D maybe ur too calm=0D ___=0D Adrian Bartholomew=0D Leawood KS=0D On Sep 12, 2005, at 7:24 PM, Stephen Goodman wrote:=0D =0D > =0D > ----- Original Message -----=0D > From: Adrian Bartholomew=0D > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D > Sent: Monday, 12 September, 2005 20:36 PM=0D > Subject: Re: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES=0D >=0D >=0D > ___=0D > Adrian Bartholomew=0D > Leawood KS=0D > On Sep 12, 2005, at 2:22 PM, Stephen Goodman wrote:=0D >=0D >=0D > From: "Timothy Mungenast" =0D > To: =0D > Sent: Monday, 12 September, 2005 17:23 PM=0D > Subject: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D > Sounds good, but I'd miss ZZ Top, I'd miss Moon Pies, and besides,=0D > I've got=0D > a whole passel of red-state relatives who think Dubya is just great.=0D > I'm not sure that re-starting the Civil War is the answer.=0D > Let's try to understand Bush supporters-- aside from a few cynical=0D > plutocrats, most Bush supporters are basically good-hearted folks=0D > (like my=0D > Mom) who were raised in very socially conservative households and would= =0D > vote for a bag of popcorn if it ran on a ProLife platform. Anything=0D > that=0D > even vaguely smells of hippiedom is anathema to them.=0D >=0D > Not really. I'm a Republican but somehow not a raving fundamentalist=0D > drone.=0D > Whoops, that one doesn't work. Neither does the line being=0D > continuously fed=0D > through the media about the 2000 and 2004 elections somehow causing a=0D > permanent divide in our country. Somehow it only seems to exist in the=0D > minds of people who can't um, 'move on'.=0D >=0D > so do u blame the folks who get married and then divorced. the 66% of=0D > them? and growing? or do u investigate what the institution itself=0D > means in this day and this age?=0D > do u question the folks who cant drive properly and who misuse a car=0D > out of lack of "car" knowledge or do u recall the car as not fit for=0D > the society that drives it?=0D >=0D > ...cant "move on"????=0D > Take your meds and calm down.=0D >=0D >=0D > They would help you if they found you lying in the middle of the road.=0D > Your=0D > wallet would be safe. They work hard for their families, and they're so= =0D > busy working their butts off making a living that they really don't=0D > have=0D > time to read the news. THAT'S KEY.=0D > And honestly, they've been underwhelmed by the Democrats'=0D > less-than-awesome=0D > marketing of less-than-inspiring candidates who kinda lacked charisma,=0D > whereas Dubya has this aura that makes ya think he wants to be your=0D > drinkin' buddy. It's a gift that not everybody has.=0D > Look at Gore. He was a Southerner, a VietNam vet, a sportsman, a=0D > genuine=0D > bubba, and still the Red States would have none of it. The fact that=0D > they=0D > chose Captain AWOL over Gore points to feeble Democratic campaigning=0D > and,=0D > possibly, Al's stiff public persona.=0D > Even when you have a good product, ya gotta sell, sell, sell. Ditto for= =0D > Kerry. A good guy, but you can't afford to shoot yourself in the foot=0D > when=0D > you are up against the GOP, the best salesmen the world has ever seen.=0D > And=0D > Kerry did shoot himself in the foot more than a few times.=0D > The Red Staters had reasons to vote for Dub. We may not be able to=0D > fully=0D > comprehend those reasons, but WE CANNOT write these people off as=0D > HeeHaw=0D > goofballs and inbred haters. You will not win over anybody if you=0D > insult=0D > them, contrary to what Howard Dean thinks. Resist the urge. Reach out.=0D > Try=0D > to find some common ground.=0D > Sonic Luv,=0D > Tim Mungenast=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D > [Original Message]=0D > From: Luis Angulo =0D > To: =0D > Date: 9/12/2005 4:34:22 AM=0D > Subject: Dear RED STATES=0D >=0D > This sounds great if you dont mind i am coming with=0D > you;-!=0D >=0D > > Dear Red States...=0D > >=0D > > We've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our=0D > > own country, and we're=0D > > taking just the Blue States with us.=0D > >=0D > > In case you aren't aware, that includes Hawaii,=0D > > California, Oregon,=0D > > Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois=0D > > and all the Northeast.=0D > > We believe this split will be beneficial to the=0D > > nation, and especially to=0D > > the people of the new country.=0D > >=0D > > To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all=0D > > the slave states. We get=0D > > stem cell research and the best beaches. We get=0D > > Elliot Spitzer. You get Ken=0D > > Lay.=0D > >=0D > > We get the Statue of Liberty. We get Hollywood and=0D > > Yosemite... You get=0D > > Dollywood. We get Intel and Microsoft. You get=0D > > WorldCom and Enron. We get=0D > > Harvard. You get Ole' Miss. We get 85 percent of=0D > > America's venture capital=0D > > and entrepreneurs. You get Alabama. We get=0D > > two-thirds of the tax revenue,=0D > > you get to make the red states pay their fair share.=0D > >=0D > > Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower=0D > > than the Christian=0D > > Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You=0D > > get a bunch of single=0D > > moms.=0D > >=0D > > Please be aware that the new country will be=0D > > pro-choice and anti-war, and=0D > > we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq=0D > > at once. If you need=0D > > people to fight, ask your politicians and=0D > > evangelicals. They have kids=0D > > they're apparently willing to send to their deaths=0D > > for no purpose, and they=0D > > don't care if you don't show pictures of their=0D > > children's caskets coming=0D > > home. We do wish you success in Iraq, and hope that=0D > > the WMDs turn up, but=0D > > we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's=0D > > Quagmire.=0D > >=0D > > With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm=0D > > control of 80 percent of the=0D > > country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the=0D > > pineapple and lettuce, 92=0D > > percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of=0D > > America's quality wines=0D > > (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90=0D > > percent of all cheese, 90=0D > > percent of the high tech industry, most of the U.S.=0D > > low-sulfur coal, all=0D > > living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy=0D > > and Seven Sister schools,=0D > > plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT.=0D > >=0D > > With the Red States, on the other hand, you will=0D > > have to cope with 88=0D > > percent of all obese Americans (and their projected=0D > > health care costs), 92=0D > > percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent=0D > > of the tornadoes, 90=0D > > percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all=0D > > Southern Baptists, virtually=0D > > 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh,=0D > > Bob Jones University,=0D > > Clemson and the University of Georgia.=0D > >=0D > > Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states=0D > > believe Jonah was=0D > > actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe=0D > > life is sacred unless=0D > > we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44=0D > > percent say that=0D > > evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam=0D > > was involved in 9/11, and=0D > > 61 percent of you crazy bastards believe you are=0D > > people with high morals.=0D > >=0D >=0D >=0D > www.luis-angulo.com=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D > __________________________________=0D > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005=0D > http://mail.yahoo.com=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D =0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_DQDRCRK5BHK000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Keep in mind the rule of the game. It's the separation between peopl= e which give government power. Government doe not care what the separatio= n factor is....as long as it exist. If it exist, it can be exploited. Thi= s is the bases of all internal and external government structure sin= ce day one.
 
Its the masses separation, us and them, which provides the foundatio= n of a power based. Until people learn to care and think as a whole, we'l= l be dancing in this circle of constrcution and destruction.
 
 
 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 09/12/05 21:= 27:12
Subject: Re: Devil= 's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES
 
maybe ur too calm
___
Adrian Bartholomew
Leawood KS
On Sep 12, 2005, at 7:24 PM, Stephen Goodman wrote:
 
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Adrian Bartholomew
> Sent: Monday, 12 September, 2005 20:36 PM
> Subject: Re: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES
>
>
> ___
> Adrian Bartholomew
> Leawood KS
> On Sep 12, 2005, at 2:22 PM, Stephen Goodman wrote:
>
>
> From: "Timothy Mungenast" <mungenast@earthlink.net>
> Sent: Monday, 12 September, 2005 17:23 PM
> Subject: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES
>
>
>
> Sounds good, but I'd miss ZZ Top, I'd miss Moon Pies, and besid= es,
> I've got
> a whole passel of red-state relatives who think Dubya is just g= reat.
> I'm not sure that re-starting the Civil War is the answer.
> Let's try to understand Bush supporters-- aside from a few cyni= cal
> plutocrats, most Bush supporters are basically good-hearted fol= ks
> (like my
> Mom) who were raised in very socially conservative households a= nd would
> vote for a bag of popcorn if it ran on a ProLife platform. Anyt= hing
> that
> even vaguely smells of hippiedom is anathema to them.
>
> Not really. I'm a Republican but somehow not a raving fundament= alist
> drone.
> Whoops, that one doesn't work. Neither does the line being
> continuously fed
> through the media about the 2000 and 2004 elections somehow cau= sing a
> permanent divide in our country. Somehow it only seems to exist= in the
> minds of people who can't um, 'move on'.
>
> so do u blame the folks who get married and then divorced. the = 66% of
> them? and growing? or do u investigate what the institution its= elf
> means in this day and this age?
> do u question the folks who cant drive properly and who misuse = a car
> out of lack of "car" knowledge or do u recall the car as not fi= t for
> the society that drives it?
>
> ...cant "move on"????
> Take your meds and calm down.
>
>
> They would help you if they found you lying in the middle of th= e road.
> Your
> wallet would be safe. They work hard for their families, and th= ey're so
> busy working their butts off making a living that they really d= on't
> have
> time to read the news. THAT'S KEY.
> And honestly, they've been underwhelmed by the Democrats'
> less-than-awesome
> marketing of less-than-inspiring candidates who kinda lacked ch= arisma,
> whereas Dubya has this aura that makes ya think he wants to be = your
> drinkin' buddy. It's a gift that not everybody has.
> Look at Gore. He was a Southerner, a VietNam vet, a sportsman, = a
> genuine
> bubba, and still the Red States would have none of it. The fact= that
> they
> chose Captain AWOL over Gore points to feeble Democratic campai= gning
> and,
> possibly, Al's stiff public persona.
> Even when you have a good product, ya gotta sell, sell, sell. D= itto for
> Kerry. A good guy, but you can't afford to shoot yourself in th= e foot
> when
> you are up against the GOP, the best salesmen the world has eve= r seen.
> And
> Kerry did shoot himself in the foot more than a few times.
> The Red Staters had reasons to vote for Dub. We may not be able= to
> fully
> comprehend those reasons, but WE CANNOT write these people off = as
> HeeHaw
> goofballs and inbred haters. You will not win over anybody if y= ou
> insult
> them, contrary to what Howard Dean thinks. Resist the urge. Rea= ch out.
> Try
> to find some common ground.
> Sonic Luv,
> Tim Mungenast
>
>
>
>
>
> [Original Message]
> From: Luis Angulo <= labalou2000@yahoo.com>
> Date: 9/12/2005 4:34:22 AM
> Subject: Dear RED STATES
>
> This sounds great if you dont mind i am coming with
> you;-!
>
> > Dear Red States...
> >
> > We've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our
> > own country, and we're
> > taking just the Blue States with us.
> >
> > In case you aren't aware, that includes Hawaii,
> > California, Oregon,
> > Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois
> > and all the Northeast.
> > We believe this split will be beneficial to the
> > nation, and especially to
> > the people of the new country.
> >
> > To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all
> > the slave states. We get
> > stem cell research and the best beaches. We get
> > Elliot Spitzer. You get Ken
> > Lay.
> >
> > We get the Statue of Liberty. We get Hollywood and
> > Yosemite... You get
> > Dollywood. We get Intel and Microsoft. You get
> > WorldCom and Enron. We get
> > Harvard. You get Ole' Miss. We get 85 percent of
> > America's venture capital
> > and entrepreneurs. You get Alabama. We get
> > two-thirds of the tax revenue,
> > you get to make the red states pay their fair share.
> >
> > Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower
> > than the Christian
> > Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You
> > get a bunch of single
> > moms.
> >
> > Please be aware that the new country will be
> > pro-choice and anti-war, and
> > we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq
> > at once. If you need
> > people to fight, ask your politicians and
> > evangelicals. They have kids
> > they're apparently willing to send to their deaths
> > for no purpose, and they
> > don't care if you don't show pictures of their
> > children's caskets coming
> > home. We do wish you success in Iraq, and hope that
> > the WMDs turn up, but
> > we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's
> > Quagmire.
> >
> > With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm
> > control of 80 percent of the
> > country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the
> > pineapple and lettuce, 92
> > percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of
> > America's quality wines
> > (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90
> > percent of all cheese, 90
> > percent of the high tech industry, most of the U.S.
> > low-sulfur coal, all
> > living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy
> > and Seven Sister schools,
> > plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT.
> >
> > With the Red States, on the other hand, you will
> > have to cope with 88
> > percent of all obese Americans (and their projected
> > health care costs), 92
> > percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent
> > of the tornadoes, 90
> > percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all
> > Southern Baptists, virtually
> > 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh,
> > Bob Jones University,
> > Clemson and the University of Georgia.
> >
> > Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states
> > believe Jonah was
> > actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe
> > life is sacred unless
> > we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44
> > percent say that
> > evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam
> > was involved in 9/11, and
> > 61 percent of you crazy bastards believe you are
> > people with high morals.
> >
>
>
> www.luis-angulo.com<= /DIV>
>
>
>
> __________________________________
> Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005
> http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
 
 
--------------Boundary-00=_DQDRCRK5BHK000000000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 14:23:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E38D43BF16; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:23:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <20050913130859.94238.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050913130859.94238.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-137865697 Message-Id: <02438c33c1b4143638397e7a336e7fc7@bartholomusic.com> From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:23:57 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 66.226.64.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:23:58 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-137865697 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed the 1010 does send note off (or note on 0 vel) ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 13, 2005, at 8:08 AM, Luis Angulo wrote: > > Ive been wanting to do this is it possible with the > FCB1010 although it only sends note on? > >>>> When multiple loops have been set up with the >> MoreLoops parameter, >>>> you can trigger them directly with MIDI Note >> messages. The LoopTrig >>>> parameter defines the base Note for Loop 1. The >> consecutive Loops >>>> occupy the notes above that, so Loop 2 is >> LoopTrig+1, Loop 3 is >>>> LoopTrig+2, etc. >>>> >>>> (oops, just saw Andy's post...) >>>> >>>> Bernhard > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > --Apple-Mail-3-137865697 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII the 1010 does send note off (or note on 0 vel) ___7979,0404,0909 Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 13, 2005, at 8:08 AM, Luis Angulo wrote: Ive been wanting to do this is it possible with the FCB1010 although it only sends note on? When multiple loops have been set up with the MoreLoops parameter, you can trigger them directly with MIDI Note messages. The LoopTrig parameter defines the base Note for Loop 1. The consecutive Loops occupy the notes above that, so Loop 2 is LoopTrig+1, Loop 3 is LoopTrig+2, etc. (oops, just saw Andy's post...) Bernhard www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --Apple-Mail-3-137865697-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 14:54:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F02563BF11; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:54:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <20050913130859.94238.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050913130859.94238.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8E7FDE96-9085-4AD5-9163-077B8CE0E25E@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:54:21 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:54:24 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 13, 2005, at 15:08, Luis Angulo wrote: > > Ive been wanting to do this is it possible with the > FCB1010 although it only sends note on? Yes, note on is enough for the LoopTrig function. I have decided to set up 5 EDP loops directly accessible from one row of FCB buttons. As Adrian said, the FCB sends a note off when you let go of a pedal. Note off is for example used by the EDP function: "SUSNextLoop Sustain Action NextLoop" (NoteOn = Next, NoteOff = Previous) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > >>>> When multiple loops have been set up with the >>>> >> MoreLoops parameter, >> >>>> you can trigger them directly with MIDI Note >>>> >> messages. The LoopTrig >> >>>> parameter defines the base Note for Loop 1. The >>>> >> consecutive Loops >> >>>> occupy the notes above that, so Loop 2 is >>>> >> LoopTrig+1, Loop 3 is >> >>>> LoopTrig+2, etc. >>>> >>>> (oops, just saw Andy's post...) >>>> >>>> Bernhard >>>> > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 15:23:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17DDD3BEDE; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:23:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=qodphZczuidw/RYFmJhj9+JN+kI7ka32bx11VeGQidf5OtqavZ33Wfon/1Ofbmlj; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220059213152642240@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:26:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9406427ed09927f0aa5ea3fd94aa9acdf6d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.146.1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:23:07 +0000 (UTC) No, not too calm, Adrian: I'm just a really intense, neurotic, anxiety-prone guy TRYING to be a calm person. But not *actually* calm. There is a difference ;-) Yours in Waiting Rooms, Tim > [Original Message] > From: Adrian Bartholomew > To: > Date: 9/13/2005 12:27:10 AM > Subject: Re: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES > > maybe ur too calm > ___ > Adrian Bartholomew > Leawood KS > On Sep 12, 2005, at 7:24 PM, Stephen Goodman wrote: > > >   > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Adrian Bartholomew > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Sent: Monday, 12 September, 2005 20:36 PM > > Subject: Re: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES > > > > > > ___ > > Adrian Bartholomew > > Leawood KS > > On Sep 12, 2005, at 2:22 PM, Stephen Goodman wrote: > > > > > > From: "Timothy Mungenast" > > To: > > Sent: Monday, 12 September, 2005 17:23 PM > > Subject: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES > > > > > > > > Sounds good, but I'd miss ZZ Top, I'd miss Moon Pies, and besides, > > I've got > > a whole passel of red-state relatives who think Dubya is just great. > > I'm not sure that re-starting the Civil War is the answer. > > Let's try to understand Bush supporters-- aside from a few cynical > > plutocrats, most Bush supporters are basically good-hearted folks > > (like my > > Mom) who were raised in very socially conservative households and would > > vote for a bag of popcorn if it ran on a ProLife platform. Anything > > that > > even vaguely smells of hippiedom is anathema to them. > > > > Not really. I'm a Republican but somehow not a raving fundamentalist > > drone. > > Whoops, that one doesn't work. Neither does the line being > > continuously fed > > through the media about the 2000 and 2004 elections somehow causing a > > permanent divide in our country. Somehow it only seems to exist in the > > minds of people who can't um, 'move on'. > > > > so do u blame the folks who get married and then divorced. the 66% of > > them? and growing? or do u investigate what the institution itself > > means in this day and this age? > > do u question the folks who cant drive properly and who misuse a car > > out of lack of "car" knowledge or do u recall the car as not fit for > > the society that drives it? > > > > ...cant "move on"???? > > Take your meds and calm down. > > > > > > They would help you if they found you lying in the middle of the road. > > Your > > wallet would be safe. They work hard for their families, and they're so > > busy working their butts off making a living that they really don't > > have > > time to read the news. THAT'S KEY. > > And honestly, they've been underwhelmed by the Democrats' > > less-than-awesome > > marketing of less-than-inspiring candidates who kinda lacked charisma, > > whereas Dubya has this aura that makes ya think he wants to be your > > drinkin' buddy. It's a gift that not everybody has. > > Look at Gore. He was a Southerner, a VietNam vet, a sportsman, a > > genuine > > bubba, and still the Red States would have none of it. The fact that > > they > > chose Captain AWOL over Gore points to feeble Democratic campaigning > > and, > > possibly, Al's stiff public persona. > > Even when you have a good product, ya gotta sell, sell, sell. Ditto for > > Kerry. A good guy, but you can't afford to shoot yourself in the foot > > when > > you are up against the GOP, the best salesmen the world has ever seen. > > And > > Kerry did shoot himself in the foot more than a few times. > > The Red Staters had reasons to vote for Dub. We may not be able to > > fully > > comprehend those reasons, but WE CANNOT write these people off as > > HeeHaw > > goofballs and inbred haters. You will not win over anybody if you > > insult > > them, contrary to what Howard Dean thinks. Resist the urge. Reach out. > > Try > > to find some common ground. > > Sonic Luv, > > Tim Mungenast > > > > > > > > > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Luis Angulo > > To: > > Date: 9/12/2005 4:34:22 AM > > Subject: Dear RED STATES > > > > This sounds great if you dont mind i am coming with > > you;-! > > > > > Dear Red States... > > > > > > We've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our > > > own country, and we're > > > taking just the Blue States with us. > > > > > > In case you aren't aware, that includes Hawaii, > > > California, Oregon, > > > Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois > > > and all the Northeast. > > > We believe this split will be beneficial to the > > > nation, and especially to > > > the people of the new country. > > > > > > To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all > > > the slave states. We get > > > stem cell research and the best beaches. We get > > > Elliot Spitzer. You get Ken > > > Lay. > > > > > > We get the Statue of Liberty. We get Hollywood and > > > Yosemite... You get > > > Dollywood. We get Intel and Microsoft. You get > > > WorldCom and Enron. We get > > > Harvard. You get Ole' Miss. We get 85 percent of > > > America's venture capital > > > and entrepreneurs. You get Alabama. We get > > > two-thirds of the tax revenue, > > > you get to make the red states pay their fair share. > > > > > > Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower > > > than the Christian > > > Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You > > > get a bunch of single > > > moms. > > > > > > Please be aware that the new country will be > > > pro-choice and anti-war, and > > > we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq > > > at once. If you need > > > people to fight, ask your politicians and > > > evangelicals. They have kids > > > they're apparently willing to send to their deaths > > > for no purpose, and they > > > don't care if you don't show pictures of their > > > children's caskets coming > > > home. We do wish you success in Iraq, and hope that > > > the WMDs turn up, but > > > we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's > > > Quagmire. > > > > > > With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm > > > control of 80 percent of the > > > country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the > > > pineapple and lettuce, 92 > > > percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of > > > America's quality wines > > > (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90 > > > percent of all cheese, 90 > > > percent of the high tech industry, most of the U.S. > > > low-sulfur coal, all > > > living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy > > > and Seven Sister schools, > > > plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT. > > > > > > With the Red States, on the other hand, you will > > > have to cope with 88 > > > percent of all obese Americans (and their projected > > > health care costs), 92 > > > percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent > > > of the tornadoes, 90 > > > percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all > > > Southern Baptists, virtually > > > 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, > > > Bob Jones University, > > > Clemson and the University of Georgia. > > > > > > Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states > > > believe Jonah was > > > actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe > > > life is sacred unless > > > we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44 > > > percent say that > > > evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam > > > was involved in 9/11, and > > > 61 percent of you crazy bastards believe you are > > > people with high morals. > > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 15:28:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC6EF3BF13; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:28:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.34) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 13 Sep 2005 15:28:07 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:28:06 -0500 Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050913152806.D7D72C611C@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:28:10 +0000 (UTC) For the record, I love the foot controller. I bought mine used 5 years ago= and replaced the switches just as a matter ot course. I also measured all= the=20 resistors and replaced one that had drifted pretty far off value. Not a si= ngle problem (knock on wood) since then with fairly constant gigging and=20 rehearsing, including five trips to burning man where *everything* one owns= gets permeated with corrosive alkali dust. Upon returning home, I blow th= e=20 switches out with compressed air and spray in some contact cleaner. No pro= blems. I'm actually amazed at robustness off the design. I bought a bunch= of=20 replacemnet switches just so I'd have them on hand, and they are still just= sitting in a drawer 5 years later. Joe Rut ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 01:45:56 -0700 >=20 > At 08:49 AM 9/11/2005, Adrian Bartholomew wrote: > > ITS PERFECT. go with the 1010. >=20 > hmmm, I would say the FCB1010 is ok, but only compared to other=20 > midi controllers currently available. But that is only because most=20 > of the others available today are really horrible. Only the=20 > Rocktron All Access seems better than the Behringer FCB1010, but=20 > much more expensive. >=20 > Compared to some past midi controllers however, the Behringer=20 > FCB1010 is really weak. The Digitech PMC-10 and the Lake-Butler=20 > RFC-1 Midigator were really exceptional, full-featured midi pedals,=20 > and completely blow away anything available today. Both are long=20 > out of production. They are really hard to find today because=20 > people really treasure them. If you can find one, get it. >=20 > It is really sad that nobody makes something comparable. I wish=20 > somebody would just copy the old Digitech PMC-10 architecture. >=20 > > the EDP foot controller response time is good. dont get me wrong.=20 > > but the reliability is NOT. from what i understand, its not=20 > > voltage controlled, its RESISTANCE controlled. maybe that is the=20 > > problem in the 1st place. others may refute me but i have one and=20 > > it sucks. any contamination of the buttons can set off the=20 > > resistances and ur then screwed...ONSTAGE. >=20 > I've seen you make these accusations about our poor pedal design a=20 > few times Adrian, so allow me to explain the design goals we sought=20 > in creating the Echoplex footpedal controller. >=20 > First of all, the people involved in the Echoplex design are all=20 > musicians in addition to engineers. In fact we were all musicians=20 > before we were engineers. We've used many different pieces of gear=20 > as musicians. We've dragged our gear around for rehearsals and=20 > gigs. We've experienced problematic gear over time that irritated=20 > us or broke on us or couldn't be worked around at the last minute,=20 > and we sought to do better with the Echoplex. We designed the=20 > Echoplex pedal to hopefully address many of these problems that we=20 > had been irritated by in other gear. >=20 > So despite what you say, reliability was one of the key design=20 > goals. (I'll come back to the issue of what "reliability" means a=20 > bit later.) >=20 > First, let's cover the design requirements we came up with for the=20 > Echoplex pedal: >=20 > - The pedal should not use a proprietary cable. Cables will go bad.=20 > We've all experienced it. If you can't replace the cable at the=20 > last minute because it is some proprietary special-order thing, you=20 > are screwed. So, the pedal must use a cable anybody can get easily,=20 > or preferably something they likely have anyway. >=20 > - The cable must not be fixed to the unit. Since we don't know how=20 > big your stage is, we want to let you choose how long of a cable=20 > you need. We also want you to be able to replace it easily if the=20 > cable dies. Especially for transporting gear, attached cables get=20 > bent in strange ways and suffer tremendous strain. It will be=20 > better if it is easily detached. >=20 > - There should only be one cable between pedal and rack. More=20 > cables means more points of failure. More cost to the user. More=20 > crap cluttering up the stage. More connections to be made while=20 > setting up before the gig. More things to connect the wrong way by=20 > mistake. More jacks to fail. One cable must be enough for the=20 > Echoplex pedal. >=20 > - The pedal should not require power. Power supplies fail often,=20 > especially power supplies out on stage where they deal with beer,=20 > power surges, booted stage divers and etc., and therefore anything=20 > requiring a power supply is less reliable than a passive device. A=20 > power supply requirement also adds to the inconvenience. This=20 > requires power brought out to the stage, and an additional cable=20 > connection be made to the pedal. >=20 > - The pedal must be very simple in design, so it is easy to repair=20 > on the road. Anything on the floor of a stage will get broken=20 > eventually, so assume field repairable is essential. This pedal=20 > will be getting stomped on, kicked around, getting beer spilled on=20 > it, getting rained on, sitting in the hot sun in the summer,=20 > freezing in the winter, etc. No matter what you do it will break=20 > for somebody. It should be easy for the user to open the pedal up=20 > and fix it. >=20 > - It should be easy for people to make custom controllers. Most=20 > people probably want a pedal, but not all. Some want to make their=20 > own custom pedal. We have no idea what the others may want. It=20 > should be easy for those who want something different to create=20 > their own controller without much engineering knowledge or other=20 > sophistication. The pedal design should be very simple for this to=20 > be possible. >=20 > - The pedal design must be very inexpensive to produce. People are=20 > spending their money on the EDP, the foot controller should not be=20 > a huge extra expense. The target manufacturing cost for parts,=20 > fabrication, assembly, packaging, etc. should be less than $20. >=20 > - The switches themselves must a) be quiet when pressed, b) have=20 > reasonably low force required for activation, c) have a reasonably=20 > short throw length, d) have a good tactile feel. This is so the=20 > musician can easily feel the connection point for tapping loop=20 > functions, which a generally very rhythmic and demand precision. >=20 > In our opinion, these design goals were very friendly towards=20 > musicians, at least according to our real-world experience as=20 > musicians. >=20 > So my challenge to you Adrian, is what would you design to meet=20 > these requirements? You think our design sucks, so I would very=20 > much like to hear your better idea. Perhaps you are a brilliant=20 > engineer, and we can all learn from you! >=20 > Now, given the design goals above, allow me to tell you how we=20 > chose to meet them when we designed the Echoplex Digital Pro. Our=20 > Echoplex pedal design used 7 resistors, 7 switches, one mono 1/4"=20 > patch cable (just like you would use for a guitar, or even a=20 > speaker cable), one cable jack, steel chassis, and no external=20 > power. This means: > - Very few components, so there is little there to break. > - It is really easy to figure out how the pedal works if you open=20 > it, so most anybody can figure out how to repair it quickly if=20 > there is a problem. > - We published the resistor values in the manual, so anybody could=20 > make their own controller if they wished. It's really easy to do. > - The switches are common momentary switches, and there are=20 > numerous options for those if you want to use something different=20 > from what we used. However we did spend a lot of time trying=20 > switches, and we did not find anything that met our goals for=20 > remotely close to the cost of the ones we used. >=20 > We created the pedal itself to be a very simple design to ensure=20 > reliability, while all the smarts are in the rack unit. Simple=20 > stuff has less ways to break. The pedal simply sets a voltage, and=20 > the rack unit reads the voltage with an a/d convertor to interpret=20 > the function. Contrary to recent claims here on the LD list, the=20 > switch is debounced twice. First it is debounced in the rack with a=20 > capacitor before the a/d convertor , and then debounced again in=20 > software, where the value is checked multiple times to ensure it is=20 > correctly read. There is a wide tolerance given to the voltage=20 > range for each function, so even if things are off a bit, it should=20 > still work. >=20 > I thought our design was rather clever, and I was always proud that=20 > we managed to get 7 buttons of control communicated through just a=20 > simple patch cord. But I'm now looking forward to Adrian educating=20 > me on better ideas. >=20 > Our Echoplex design has been working pretty well since 1994. Many=20 > pedals have been working that long without problems (including=20 > mine). The design itself generally does not fail. Usually the only=20 > problems seen are with switches failing in various ways. (like=20 > getting dirty.) A failing switch is a failing switch. Any pedal=20 > will have a problem if the switches fail, so that is not a problem=20 > unique to the Echoplex. >=20 > And that brings up an interesting point. If you are into looping,=20 > you will be tapping buttons and switches a lot. Probably much more=20 > than on any other device you use. Switches wear out when used=20 > frequently. (you may not be used to this.) They get dirty. They=20 > break. They become intermittent. You need to start thinking about=20 > switches similar to the way guitarists think about strings, or DJ's=20 > think about crossfaders, or saxophonists think about reeds, or=20 > drummers think about drum heads, or like the oil in your car.=20 > Looper switches are commodities that wear out and need regular=20 > replacement and/or care. It has nothing to do with it being an=20 > Echoplex pedal or a boss or a digitech or whatever. If you are=20 > stepping on it a lot, the switch will wear out. Be prepared or be=20 > sorry. >=20 > And I can guarantee you - you know those switches on your FCB1010?=20 > If you use it for looping, their gonna break also. It's just a=20 > matter of time. Do you know how to fix them? >=20 > Now, let's talk about reliability. What is more reliable, the=20 > Echoplex pedal, or a midi pedal like the Behringer FCB1010? How do=20 > you determine that objectively? >=20 > Reliability is an engineering science. It is not a guessing game.=20 > It is also not my engineering specialty, but I work with=20 > reliability engineers who are very good. I don't know exactly how=20 > they do their reliability calculations, but I do know what=20 > information I need to specify to them, and what results they=20 > provide back. (another reason why I think it is funny when people=20 > think laptops are a good thing to bring on stage, but that is=20 > another topic.) Here are some parameters that go into a reliability=20 > calculation: >=20 > - how many components are used > - what is the individual reliability of each component in the usage condi= tions > - how many component pins are connected > - how many electrical connection points (solder joints, connectors,=20 > sockets, etc.) > - what sort of shock and vibration will it experience > - Is the device powered > - If it is powered, what voltages and voltage tolerances are used=20 > (and how do they affect individual device reliability=20 > characteristics, as each device will be different depending on its=20 > own manufacturing process.) > - if powered, What are the temperature ranges where it operates > - what are humidity ranges where it operates >=20 > All these factors go into calculating the MTBF (mean time before=20 > failure). Half the units made will fail before that time, and half=20 > after, with some statistical distribution. (I think it is gaussian,=20 > but I'm not sure.) >=20 > Now, considering all that, any midi pedal (including the Behringer=20 > FCB) will have far more parts, far more device pins, far more=20 > connection points, will be powered, will have more external=20 > connections, will be more affected by temperature, more affected by=20 > humidity, etc., than the overwhelmingly simple Echoplex pedal. >=20 > In other words, if you really do a serious reliability analysis, a=20 > midi pedal will always prove to be less reliable than the Echoplex=20 > pedal, and probably it is the least reliable device you are using. >=20 > On the other hand, if you do use a good midi controller pedal with=20 > the Echoplex, you will have far more flexibility and access to=20 > commands than you do with the pedal or the Echoplex front panel=20 > (assuming you are using LoopIV in your Echoplex, LoopIII wasn't so=20 > interesting for midi). A good midi pedal is far more useful with=20 > the Echoplex, and that may be an excellent reason to choose the=20 > midi pedal option! >=20 > It is great to have choices, > kim >=20 >=20 > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 15:59:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 446C13BEF1; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:59:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:55:33 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES In-reply-to: <4326DC45.000053.04020@A7V266E-XP-USER> To: Sony Felberg Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4326F675.10701@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <496c3bb34c39356ee352b8460b8e3bbe@bartholomusic.com> <4326DC45.000053.04020@A7V266E-XP-USER> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:59:23 +0000 (UTC) Sony Felberg wrote: > Until people learn to care and think as a whole, we'll be > dancing in this circle of constrcution and destruction. Finally, some looping content in this thread. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 16:19:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4430E3BEDC; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:19:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <20050913152806.D7D72C611C@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20050913152806.D7D72C611C@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7-144803635 Message-Id: <4136beccd4e74aaa181edca22df69df5@bartholomusic.com> From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:19:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 66.226.64.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:19:46 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7-144803635 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed see? this is what im talking about. being a technically minded guy, joe was able to get the best out of his foot controller. (congrats joe). could u imaging the ordinary joe (pun intended:-) ) MEASURING RESISTORS(read: having a probe tester and not worried about not knowing the color coding) to REPLACE (read: desolder and resolder) them? nope. that thing wouldve been in the trash. instantly. this reminds me of my epson C80 printer. if u KNOW about print heads and how to clean them with alcohol and stuff, ur epson budget printer would last u a long time. just go online and read the hatemail about them. but HP knows how to avoid printing "lines" WITHOUT needing the owners to be comfortable with printing machines' insides. ...is all im sayin. ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 13, 2005, at 10:28 AM, joe rut wrote: > For the record, I love the foot controller. I bought mine used 5 > years ago and replaced the switches just as a matter ot course. I > also measured all the > resistors and replaced one that had drifted pretty far off value. Not > a single problem (knock on wood) since then with fairly constant > gigging and > rehearsing, including five trips to burning man where *everything* one > owns gets permeated with corrosive alkali dust. Upon returning home, > I blow the > switches out with compressed air and spray in some contact cleaner. > No problems. I'm actually amazed at robustness off the design. I > bought a bunch of > replacemnet switches just so I'd have them on hand, and they are still > just sitting in a drawer 5 years later. > > Joe Rut > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kim Flint" > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? > Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 01:45:56 -0700 > >> >> At 08:49 AM 9/11/2005, Adrian Bartholomew wrote: >>> ITS PERFECT. go with the 1010. >> >> hmmm, I would say the FCB1010 is ok, but only compared to other >> midi controllers currently available. But that is only because most >> of the others available today are really horrible. Only the >> Rocktron All Access seems better than the Behringer FCB1010, but >> much more expensive. >> >> Compared to some past midi controllers however, the Behringer >> FCB1010 is really weak. The Digitech PMC-10 and the Lake-Butler >> RFC-1 Midigator were really exceptional, full-featured midi pedals, >> and completely blow away anything available today. Both are long >> out of production. They are really hard to find today because >> people really treasure them. If you can find one, get it. >> >> It is really sad that nobody makes something comparable. I wish >> somebody would just copy the old Digitech PMC-10 architecture. >> >>> the EDP foot controller response time is good. dont get me wrong. >>> but the reliability is NOT. from what i understand, its not >>> voltage controlled, its RESISTANCE controlled. maybe that is the >>> problem in the 1st place. others may refute me but i have one and >>> it sucks. any contamination of the buttons can set off the >>> resistances and ur then screwed...ONSTAGE. >> >> I've seen you make these accusations about our poor pedal design a >> few times Adrian, so allow me to explain the design goals we sought >> in creating the Echoplex footpedal controller. >> >> First of all, the people involved in the Echoplex design are all >> musicians in addition to engineers. In fact we were all musicians >> before we were engineers. We've used many different pieces of gear >> as musicians. We've dragged our gear around for rehearsals and >> gigs. We've experienced problematic gear over time that irritated >> us or broke on us or couldn't be worked around at the last minute, >> and we sought to do better with the Echoplex. We designed the >> Echoplex pedal to hopefully address many of these problems that we >> had been irritated by in other gear. >> >> So despite what you say, reliability was one of the key design >> goals. (I'll come back to the issue of what "reliability" means a >> bit later.) >> >> First, let's cover the design requirements we came up with for the >> Echoplex pedal: >> >> - The pedal should not use a proprietary cable. Cables will go bad. >> We've all experienced it. If you can't replace the cable at the >> last minute because it is some proprietary special-order thing, you >> are screwed. So, the pedal must use a cable anybody can get easily, >> or preferably something they likely have anyway. >> >> - The cable must not be fixed to the unit. Since we don't know how >> big your stage is, we want to let you choose how long of a cable >> you need. We also want you to be able to replace it easily if the >> cable dies. Especially for transporting gear, attached cables get >> bent in strange ways and suffer tremendous strain. It will be >> better if it is easily detached. >> >> - There should only be one cable between pedal and rack. More >> cables means more points of failure. More cost to the user. More >> crap cluttering up the stage. More connections to be made while >> setting up before the gig. More things to connect the wrong way by >> mistake. More jacks to fail. One cable must be enough for the >> Echoplex pedal. >> >> - The pedal should not require power. Power supplies fail often, >> especially power supplies out on stage where they deal with beer, >> power surges, booted stage divers and etc., and therefore anything >> requiring a power supply is less reliable than a passive device. A >> power supply requirement also adds to the inconvenience. This >> requires power brought out to the stage, and an additional cable >> connection be made to the pedal. >> >> - The pedal must be very simple in design, so it is easy to repair >> on the road. Anything on the floor of a stage will get broken >> eventually, so assume field repairable is essential. This pedal >> will be getting stomped on, kicked around, getting beer spilled on >> it, getting rained on, sitting in the hot sun in the summer, >> freezing in the winter, etc. No matter what you do it will break >> for somebody. It should be easy for the user to open the pedal up >> and fix it. >> >> - It should be easy for people to make custom controllers. Most >> people probably want a pedal, but not all. Some want to make their >> own custom pedal. We have no idea what the others may want. It >> should be easy for those who want something different to create >> their own controller without much engineering knowledge or other >> sophistication. The pedal design should be very simple for this to >> be possible. >> >> - The pedal design must be very inexpensive to produce. People are >> spending their money on the EDP, the foot controller should not be >> a huge extra expense. The target manufacturing cost for parts, >> fabrication, assembly, packaging, etc. should be less than $20. >> >> - The switches themselves must a) be quiet when pressed, b) have >> reasonably low force required for activation, c) have a reasonably >> short throw length, d) have a good tactile feel. This is so the >> musician can easily feel the connection point for tapping loop >> functions, which a generally very rhythmic and demand precision. >> >> In our opinion, these design goals were very friendly towards >> musicians, at least according to our real-world experience as >> musicians. >> >> So my challenge to you Adrian, is what would you design to meet >> these requirements? You think our design sucks, so I would very >> much like to hear your better idea. Perhaps you are a brilliant >> engineer, and we can all learn from you! >> >> Now, given the design goals above, allow me to tell you how we >> chose to meet them when we designed the Echoplex Digital Pro. Our >> Echoplex pedal design used 7 resistors, 7 switches, one mono 1/4" >> patch cable (just like you would use for a guitar, or even a >> speaker cable), one cable jack, steel chassis, and no external >> power. This means: >> - Very few components, so there is little there to break. >> - It is really easy to figure out how the pedal works if you open >> it, so most anybody can figure out how to repair it quickly if >> there is a problem. >> - We published the resistor values in the manual, so anybody could >> make their own controller if they wished. It's really easy to do. >> - The switches are common momentary switches, and there are >> numerous options for those if you want to use something different >> from what we used. However we did spend a lot of time trying >> switches, and we did not find anything that met our goals for >> remotely close to the cost of the ones we used. >> >> We created the pedal itself to be a very simple design to ensure >> reliability, while all the smarts are in the rack unit. Simple >> stuff has less ways to break. The pedal simply sets a voltage, and >> the rack unit reads the voltage with an a/d convertor to interpret >> the function. Contrary to recent claims here on the LD list, the >> switch is debounced twice. First it is debounced in the rack with a >> capacitor before the a/d convertor , and then debounced again in >> software, where the value is checked multiple times to ensure it is >> correctly read. There is a wide tolerance given to the voltage >> range for each function, so even if things are off a bit, it should >> still work. >> >> I thought our design was rather clever, and I was always proud that >> we managed to get 7 buttons of control communicated through just a >> simple patch cord. But I'm now looking forward to Adrian educating >> me on better ideas. >> >> Our Echoplex design has been working pretty well since 1994. Many >> pedals have been working that long without problems (including >> mine). The design itself generally does not fail. Usually the only >> problems seen are with switches failing in various ways. (like >> getting dirty.) A failing switch is a failing switch. Any pedal >> will have a problem if the switches fail, so that is not a problem >> unique to the Echoplex. >> >> And that brings up an interesting point. If you are into looping, >> you will be tapping buttons and switches a lot. Probably much more >> than on any other device you use. Switches wear out when used >> frequently. (you may not be used to this.) They get dirty. They >> break. They become intermittent. You need to start thinking about >> switches similar to the way guitarists think about strings, or DJ's >> think about crossfaders, or saxophonists think about reeds, or >> drummers think about drum heads, or like the oil in your car. >> Looper switches are commodities that wear out and need regular >> replacement and/or care. It has nothing to do with it being an >> Echoplex pedal or a boss or a digitech or whatever. If you are >> stepping on it a lot, the switch will wear out. Be prepared or be >> sorry. >> >> And I can guarantee you - you know those switches on your FCB1010? >> If you use it for looping, their gonna break also. It's just a >> matter of time. Do you know how to fix them? >> >> Now, let's talk about reliability. What is more reliable, the >> Echoplex pedal, or a midi pedal like the Behringer FCB1010? How do >> you determine that objectively? >> >> Reliability is an engineering science. It is not a guessing game. >> It is also not my engineering specialty, but I work with >> reliability engineers who are very good. I don't know exactly how >> they do their reliability calculations, but I do know what >> information I need to specify to them, and what results they >> provide back. (another reason why I think it is funny when people >> think laptops are a good thing to bring on stage, but that is >> another topic.) Here are some parameters that go into a reliability >> calculation: >> >> - how many components are used >> - what is the individual reliability of each component in the usage >> conditions >> - how many component pins are connected >> - how many electrical connection points (solder joints, connectors, >> sockets, etc.) >> - what sort of shock and vibration will it experience >> - Is the device powered >> - If it is powered, what voltages and voltage tolerances are used >> (and how do they affect individual device reliability >> characteristics, as each device will be different depending on its >> own manufacturing process.) >> - if powered, What are the temperature ranges where it operates >> - what are humidity ranges where it operates >> >> All these factors go into calculating the MTBF (mean time before >> failure). Half the units made will fail before that time, and half >> after, with some statistical distribution. (I think it is gaussian, >> but I'm not sure.) >> >> Now, considering all that, any midi pedal (including the Behringer >> FCB) will have far more parts, far more device pins, far more >> connection points, will be powered, will have more external >> connections, will be more affected by temperature, more affected by >> humidity, etc., than the overwhelmingly simple Echoplex pedal. >> >> In other words, if you really do a serious reliability analysis, a >> midi pedal will always prove to be less reliable than the Echoplex >> pedal, and probably it is the least reliable device you are using. >> >> On the other hand, if you do use a good midi controller pedal with >> the Echoplex, you will have far more flexibility and access to >> commands than you do with the pedal or the Echoplex front panel >> (assuming you are using LoopIV in your Echoplex, LoopIII wasn't so >> interesting for midi). A good midi pedal is far more useful with >> the Echoplex, and that may be an excellent reason to choose the >> midi pedal option! >> >> It is great to have choices, >> kim >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >> kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos > Yellow Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/ > default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > > --Apple-Mail-7-144803635 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII see? this is what im talking about. being a technically minded guy, joe was able to get the best out of his foot controller. (congrats joe). could u imaging the ordinary joe (pun intended:-) ) MEASURING RESISTORS(read: having a probe tester and not worried about not knowing the color coding) to REPLACE (read: desolder and resolder) them? nope. that thing wouldve been in the trash. instantly. this reminds me of my epson C80 printer. if u KNOW about print heads and how to clean them with alcohol and stuff, ur epson budget printer would last u a long time. just go online and read the hatemail about them. but HP knows how to avoid printing "lines" WITHOUT needing the owners to be comfortable with printing machines' insides. ...is all im sayin. ___7979,0404,0909 Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 13, 2005, at 10:28 AM, joe rut wrote: For the record, I love the foot controller. I bought mine used 5 years ago and replaced the switches just as a matter ot course. I also measured all the resistors and replaced one that had drifted pretty far off value. Not a single problem (knock on wood) since then with fairly constant gigging and rehearsing, including five trips to burning man where *everything* one owns gets permeated with corrosive alkali dust. Upon returning home, I blow the switches out with compressed air and spray in some contact cleaner. No problems. I'm actually amazed at robustness off the design. I bought a bunch of replacemnet switches just so I'd have them on hand, and they are still just sitting in a drawer 5 years later. Joe Rut ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" < To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 01:45:56 -0700 At 08:49 AM 9/11/2005, Adrian Bartholomew wrote: ITS PERFECT. go with the 1010. hmmm, I would say the FCB1010 is ok, but only compared to other midi controllers currently available. But that is only because most of the others available today are really horrible. Only the Rocktron All Access seems better than the Behringer FCB1010, but much more expensive. Compared to some past midi controllers however, the Behringer FCB1010 is really weak. The Digitech PMC-10 and the Lake-Butler RFC-1 Midigator were really exceptional, full-featured midi pedals, and completely blow away anything available today. Both are long out of production. They are really hard to find today because people really treasure them. If you can find one, get it. It is really sad that nobody makes something comparable. I wish somebody would just copy the old Digitech PMC-10 architecture. the EDP foot controller response time is good. dont get me wrong. but the reliability is NOT. from what i understand, its not voltage controlled, its RESISTANCE controlled. maybe that is the problem in the 1st place. others may refute me but i have one and it sucks. any contamination of the buttons can set off the resistances and ur then screwed...ONSTAGE. I've seen you make these accusations about our poor pedal design a few times Adrian, so allow me to explain the design goals we sought in creating the Echoplex footpedal controller. First of all, the people involved in the Echoplex design are all musicians in addition to engineers. In fact we were all musicians before we were engineers. We've used many different pieces of gear as musicians. We've dragged our gear around for rehearsals and gigs. We've experienced problematic gear over time that irritated us or broke on us or couldn't be worked around at the last minute, and we sought to do better with the Echoplex. We designed the Echoplex pedal to hopefully address many of these problems that we had been irritated by in other gear. So despite what you say, reliability was one of the key design goals. (I'll come back to the issue of what "reliability" means a bit later.) First, let's cover the design requirements we came up with for the Echoplex pedal: - The pedal should not use a proprietary cable. Cables will go bad. We've all experienced it. If you can't replace the cable at the last minute because it is some proprietary special-order thing, you are screwed. So, the pedal must use a cable anybody can get easily, or preferably something they likely have anyway. - The cable must not be fixed to the unit. Since we don't know how big your stage is, we want to let you choose how long of a cable you need. We also want you to be able to replace it easily if the cable dies. Especially for transporting gear, attached cables get bent in strange ways and suffer tremendous strain. It will be better if it is easily detached. - There should only be one cable between pedal and rack. More cables means more points of failure. More cost to the user. More crap cluttering up the stage. More connections to be made while setting up before the gig. More things to connect the wrong way by mistake. More jacks to fail. One cable must be enough for the Echoplex pedal. - The pedal should not require power. Power supplies fail often, especially power supplies out on stage where they deal with beer, power surges, booted stage divers and etc., and therefore anything requiring a power supply is less reliable than a passive device. A power supply requirement also adds to the inconvenience. This requires power brought out to the stage, and an additional cable connection be made to the pedal. - The pedal must be very simple in design, so it is easy to repair on the road. Anything on the floor of a stage will get broken eventually, so assume field repairable is essential. This pedal will be getting stomped on, kicked around, getting beer spilled on it, getting rained on, sitting in the hot sun in the summer, freezing in the winter, etc. No matter what you do it will break for somebody. It should be easy for the user to open the pedal up and fix it. - It should be easy for people to make custom controllers. Most people probably want a pedal, but not all. Some want to make their own custom pedal. We have no idea what the others may want. It should be easy for those who want something different to create their own controller without much engineering knowledge or other sophistication. The pedal design should be very simple for this to be possible. - The pedal design must be very inexpensive to produce. People are spending their money on the EDP, the foot controller should not be a huge extra expense. The target manufacturing cost for parts, fabrication, assembly, packaging, etc. should be less than $20. - The switches themselves must a) be quiet when pressed, b) have reasonably low force required for activation, c) have a reasonably short throw length, d) have a good tactile feel. This is so the musician can easily feel the connection point for tapping loop functions, which a generally very rhythmic and demand precision. In our opinion, these design goals were very friendly towards musicians, at least according to our real-world experience as musicians. So my challenge to you Adrian, is what would you design to meet these requirements? You think our design sucks, so I would very much like to hear your better idea. Perhaps you are a brilliant engineer, and we can all learn from you! Now, given the design goals above, allow me to tell you how we chose to meet them when we designed the Echoplex Digital Pro. Our Echoplex pedal design used 7 resistors, 7 switches, one mono 1/4" patch cable (just like you would use for a guitar, or even a speaker cable), one cable jack, steel chassis, and no external power. This means: - Very few components, so there is little there to break. - It is really easy to figure out how the pedal works if you open it, so most anybody can figure out how to repair it quickly if there is a problem. - We published the resistor values in the manual, so anybody could make their own controller if they wished. It's really easy to do. - The switches are common momentary switches, and there are numerous options for those if you want to use something different from what we used. However we did spend a lot of time trying switches, and we did not find anything that met our goals for remotely close to the cost of the ones we used. We created the pedal itself to be a very simple design to ensure reliability, while all the smarts are in the rack unit. Simple stuff has less ways to break. The pedal simply sets a voltage, and the rack unit reads the voltage with an a/d convertor to interpret the function. Contrary to recent claims here on the LD list, the switch is debounced twice. First it is debounced in the rack with a capacitor before the a/d convertor , and then debounced again in software, where the value is checked multiple times to ensure it is correctly read. There is a wide tolerance given to the voltage range for each function, so even if things are off a bit, it should still work. I thought our design was rather clever, and I was always proud that we managed to get 7 buttons of control communicated through just a simple patch cord. But I'm now looking forward to Adrian educating me on better ideas. Our Echoplex design has been working pretty well since 1994. Many pedals have been working that long without problems (including mine). The design itself generally does not fail. Usually the only problems seen are with switches failing in various ways. (like getting dirty.) A failing switch is a failing switch. Any pedal will have a problem if the switches fail, so that is not a problem unique to the Echoplex. And that brings up an interesting point. If you are into looping, you will be tapping buttons and switches a lot. Probably much more than on any other device you use. Switches wear out when used frequently. (you may not be used to this.) They get dirty. They break. They become intermittent. You need to start thinking about switches similar to the way guitarists think about strings, or DJ's think about crossfaders, or saxophonists think about reeds, or drummers think about drum heads, or like the oil in your car. Looper switches are commodities that wear out and need regular replacement and/or care. It has nothing to do with it being an Echoplex pedal or a boss or a digitech or whatever. If you are stepping on it a lot, the switch will wear out. Be prepared or be sorry. And I can guarantee you - you know those switches on your FCB1010? If you use it for looping, their gonna break also. It's just a matter of time. Do you know how to fix them? Now, let's talk about reliability. What is more reliable, the Echoplex pedal, or a midi pedal like the Behringer FCB1010? How do you determine that objectively? Reliability is an engineering science. It is not a guessing game. It is also not my engineering specialty, but I work with reliability engineers who are very good. I don't know exactly how they do their reliability calculations, but I do know what information I need to specify to them, and what results they provide back. (another reason why I think it is funny when people think laptops are a good thing to bring on stage, but that is another topic.) Here are some parameters that go into a reliability calculation: - how many components are used - what is the individual reliability of each component in the usage conditions - how many component pins are connected - how many electrical connection points (solder joints, connectors, sockets, etc.) - what sort of shock and vibration will it experience - Is the device powered - If it is powered, what voltages and voltage tolerances are used (and how do they affect individual device reliability characteristics, as each device will be different depending on its own manufacturing process.) - if powered, What are the temperature ranges where it operates - what are humidity ranges where it operates All these factors go into calculating the MTBF (mean time before failure). Half the units made will fail before that time, and half after, with some statistical distribution. (I think it is gaussian, but I'm not sure.) Now, considering all that, any midi pedal (including the Behringer FCB) will have far more parts, far more device pins, far more connection points, will be powered, will have more external connections, will be more affected by temperature, more affected by humidity, etc., than the overwhelmingly simple Echoplex pedal. In other words, if you really do a serious reliability analysis, a midi pedal will always prove to be less reliable than the Echoplex pedal, and probably it is the least reliable device you are using. On the other hand, if you do use a good midi controller pedal with the Echoplex, you will have far more flexibility and access to commands than you do with the pedal or the Echoplex front panel (assuming you are using LoopIV in your Echoplex, LoopIII wasn't so interesting for midi). A good midi pedal is far more useful with the Echoplex, and that may be an excellent reason to choose the midi pedal option! It is great to have choices, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 --Apple-Mail-7-144803635-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 16:20:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD8233BF05; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:20:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <4326F675.10701@sun.com> References: <496c3bb34c39356ee352b8460b8e3bbe@bartholomusic.com> <4326DC45.000053.04020@A7V266E-XP-USER> <4326F675.10701@sun.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8-144846131 Message-Id: <6a8148557b25e3d7ecdf6d8ae1c774ce@bartholomusic.com> From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:20:17 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 66.226.64.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:20:18 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-8-144846131 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed construction deconstruction construction decontruction theres the loop. ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 13, 2005, at 10:55 AM, Jeff Larson wrote: > Sony Felberg wrote: >> Until people learn to care and think as a whole, we'll be dancing in >> this circle of constrcution and destruction. > > Finally, some looping content in this thread. > > Jeff > --Apple-Mail-8-144846131 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII construction deconstruction construction decontruction theres the loop. ___7979,0404,0909 Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 13, 2005, at 10:55 AM, Jeff Larson wrote: Sony Felberg wrote: Until people learn to care and think as a whole, we'll be dancing in this circle of constrcution and destruction. Finally, some looping content in this thread. Jeff --Apple-Mail-8-144846131-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 16:20:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE5E33BEDB; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:20:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-72.messagelabs.com!1126628428!27666216!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8870@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Re: lexicon boxes encoders Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:21:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5B87F.2A7F4B70" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:20:31 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5B87F.2A7F4B70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" >>280S0041/9344 no manufacturer visible. the JamMan encoders are the same device with a similar number 280S0041/9408<< same thing, different date code, I'd wager. this looks like the sort of thing: http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/endecaSearch/partDetail.jsp?SKU=4436155&N=401 except it's got seven pins..... I'll have a look in my vortex tonight. while I was looking for this, a bit of serendipity. farnell do a shaft-encoder by ALPS with a push-switch built-in, exactly like the one that's failed in my boss se70. so, hooray. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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>>280S0041/9344
no manufacturer visible.
the JamMan encoders are the same device with a similar n= umber
280S0041/9408<<

same thing, different date code, I'd wager.

this looks like the sort of thing:

http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/= endecaSearch/partDetail.jsp?SKU=3D4436155&N=3D401

except it's got seven pins..... I'll have a look in my vo= rtex tonight.

while I was looking for this, a bit of serendipity. farne= ll do a shaft-encoder by ALPS with a push-switch built-in, exactly like the= one that's failed in my boss se70. so, hooray.

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C5B87F.2A7F4B70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 16:21:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6AC813BEF0; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:21:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-3.tower-72.messagelabs.com!1126628497!25800693!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8871@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: BBC Documentary Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:22:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5B87F.53A02A10" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:21:39 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5B87F.53A02A10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" contact me off-list if you'd like a dvd of this radiophonics docco. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5B87F.53A02A10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" RE: BBC Documentary

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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5B87F.53A02A10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 16:22:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AD943BEF1; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:22:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Yamaha AW16G recorder Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:22:27 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C5B844.A8429570" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:22:26 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C5B844.A8429570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit it just so happens that Rolnd has finally come out with a stand alone CD recorder burner with mic preamps and CFC data storage, I believe its called the CD1 but I'm not sure. It ain't cheap but would represent a potable non compressed recording solution that isn't tied to your DAW. great hanging with you in Zurich bro, next stop San Antonio. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Jhsidlo@aol.com [mailto:Jhsidlo@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 8:12 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Yamaha AW16G recorder Hello everybody, I'm looking for a replacement cd burner for my Yamaha AW16G hard drive recorder. Supposedly it's proprietary, so you can't just slap any laptop burner in. Yamaha wants $500 for a new one. Any suggestions for a work around? please e-mail me offline concerning this. Thanks, James Sidlo ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C5B844.A8429570 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
it just so happens that Rolnd has = finally=20 come out with a stand alone CD recorder burner with mic preamps and CFC = data=20 storage, I believe its called the CD1 but I'm not sure.  It ain't = cheap but=20 would represent a potable non compressed recording solution that isn't = tied to=20 your DAW. great hanging with you in Zurich bro, next stop San=20 Antonio.
Bill
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Hello everybody,
 
           =20     I'm looking for a replacement cd burner for my = Yamaha AW16G=20 hard drive recorder. Supposedly it's proprietary, so you can't just = slap any=20 laptop burner in. Yamaha wants $500 for a new one.
    Any suggestions for a work around? please = e-mail me=20 offline concerning this.
 
 
           =20             =    =20             =    =20         Thanks, James Sidlo
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C5B844.A8429570-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 16:24:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D22693BEE0; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:24:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <04e1347795d3ac94aed57e859ed3d04a@bartholomusic.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-10-145079457 From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:24:11 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 66.226.64.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:24:14 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-10-145079457 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed From: Adrian Bartholomew Date: September 13, 2005 11:22:41 AM CDT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? kim, u sound like i did when i did marketing/advertising. the client would outline their market target audience and also, like u, through statistics, provided by 3rd party companies, i had to pinpoint who they were by their race, socio-economic strata, age, sex and musical tastes (i also did jingles or commissioned them out). if the marketing didnt work, what then? do i challenge the advertiser to enlighten me with a better idea based on a sarcastically appointed imaginary marketing degree i suddenly hinted that they might have? that wouldve been....bad. jobwise and karmawise. do i blame the public for not "getting it"? tempting, especially after all the working hrs, love, sweat, sleepless nights, attention to detail and scientific "facts" presented in the project. sometimes i was stubborn too. but no. all we can do is recall the vehicle and try something else based upon new information eg. data from questionaires given to random groups within the target market in a controlled environment. because THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT. now i do also have quite a lot of engineering experience so i completely understand u and ur company's reasoning behind the design of the footpedal. i, however, believe that a lot of ur customers would prefer, and indeed even pay more, for a product that didnt go bad so relatively quickly (WITHOUT SELF SERVICING) even though it could be fixed easily. the moment onstage is gone. try building a powered, midi controller with switches based on different technology for more money and see which sells more. designed BY gibson. that would be awesome. im not alone in this. how many of ur beloved EDP users have complained about ur footpedal. come on kim. they're EDP USERS. how many others want it and cant afford it. ur users are already in the category of, "im buying it cause its the best, not because its cheap". i dont quite swallow the... faultyness of all switches used on a regular basis... theory. we all use many switches in our lives that never fail, though some do. i have keyboards that are as good today as they ever were. every key on the keyboard is a switch isnt it? what about the program buttons. they too are switches. the keys on my computers never went bad. laptop or desktop. the lightswitches in my house. my gtr pedals, volume sustain for my keyboard. NEVER. i know others may have different experiences but i could safely say that lots of folk never had problems with any of these above switches. reliability is in the hands of the beholder not just in engineering calculations. i will try to clean my edp footpedal switches. thanks for the tip. im comfortable with electronics. but i guarantee u this. no matter HOW easy it may be for me ...and u...and others like us, most of ur customers will never be comfortable opening up an electronic device. they dont want to have to. ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS --Apple-Mail-10-145079457 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII 0000,0000,0000From: Adrian Bartholomew < 0000,0000,0000Date: September 13, 2005 11:22:41 AM CDT 0000,0000,0000To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com 0000,0000,0000Subject: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? kim, u sound like i did when i did marketing/advertising. the client would outline their market target audience and also, like u, through statistics, provided by 3rd party companies, i had to pinpoint who they were by their race, socio-economic strata, age, sex and musical tastes (i also did jingles or commissioned them out). if the marketing didnt work, what then? do i challenge the advertiser to enlighten me with a better idea based on a sarcastically appointed imaginary marketing degree i suddenly hinted that they might have? that wouldve been....bad. jobwise and karmawise. do i blame the public for not "getting it"? tempting, especially after all the working hrs, love, sweat, sleepless nights, attention to detail and scientific "facts" presented in the project. sometimes i was stubborn too. but no. all we can do is recall the vehicle and try something else based upon new information eg. data from questionaires given to random groups within the target market in a controlled environment. because THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT. now i do also have quite a lot of engineering experience so i completely understand u and ur company's reasoning behind the design of the footpedal. i, however, believe that a lot of ur customers would prefer, and indeed even pay more, for a product that didnt go bad so relatively quickly (WITHOUT SELF SERVICING) even though it could be fixed easily. the moment onstage is gone. try building a powered, midi controller with switches based on different technology for more money and see which sells more. designed BY gibson. that would be awesome. im not alone in this. how many of ur beloved EDP users have complained about ur footpedal. come on kim. they're EDP USERS. how many others want it and cant afford it. ur users are already in the category of, "im buying it cause its the best, not because its cheap". i dont quite swallow the... faultyness of all switches used on a regular basis... theory. we all use many switches in our lives that never fail, though some do. i have keyboards that are as good today as they ever were. every key on the keyboard is a switch isnt it? what about the program buttons. they too are switches. the keys on my computers never went bad. laptop or desktop. the lightswitches in my house. my gtr pedals, volume sustain for my keyboard. NEVER. i know others may have different experiences but i could safely say that lots of folk never had problems with any of these above switches. reliability is in the hands of the beholder not just in engineering calculations. i will try to clean my edp footpedal switches. thanks for the tip. im comfortable with electronics. but i guarantee u this. no matter HOW easy it may be for me ...and u...and others like us, most of ur customers will never be comfortable opening up an electronic device. they dont want to have to. ___7977,0402,0907 Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS --Apple-Mail-10-145079457-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 16:30:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 832D33BEDC; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:30:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003a01c5b880$7991a540$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <496c3bb34c39356ee352b8460b8e3bbe@bartholomusic.com> <4326DC45.000053.04020@A7V266E-XP-USER> <4326F675.10701@sun.com> <6a8148557b25e3d7ecdf6d8ae1c774ce@bartholomusic.com> Subject: Re: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:30:36 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01C5B888.DA3CAE00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:30:43 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C5B888.DA3CAE00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Babble, burble, banter, bicker bicker bicker, ballyhoo! It's only talk. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Adrian Bartholomew=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, 13 September, 2005 17:20 PM Subject: Re: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES construction deconstruction construction decontruction theres the loop. ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 13, 2005, at 10:55 AM, Jeff Larson wrote: Sony Felberg wrote: Until people learn to care and think as a whole, we'll be dancing = in this circle of constrcution and destruction. Finally, some looping content in this thread. Jeff ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C5B888.DA3CAE00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C5B888.DA3CAE00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 16:34:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA28B3BF06; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:34:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Y6t4fXAB+vMCGdWRyKQu8tx5iGLH7SmsqjOvg6eMl7xrevS42rePKstc9ssVKuxnwLIPSfqYgjDeOrkGi5i+qa/vhLndcqgXlt7U57qwyDE9RO9UaCXAlikx2ZmueiCOW51wsl4cZZ6csUk3BkmLYy1U1EXxIgsF4H5Yrh4LuTk= Message-ID: <588ce11d050913093445e048b6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:34:44 -0700 From: Art Simon Reply-To: simart@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? In-Reply-To: <4136beccd4e74aaa181edca22df69df5@bartholomusic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050913152806.D7D72C611C@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> <4136beccd4e74aaa181edca22df69df5@bartholomusic.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8CQreD.A.VVF.l-vJDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:34:45 +0000 (UTC) On the other hand, it's hard for me to imagine the "ordinary joe" programming the FCB1010! Kim's explanation of the design of the Echoplex footboard was fascinating, and I think the team succeeded in it's goals. But all in all, I'm a lot happier with the FCB1010 for it's flexibility and expression pedals. Then again, I haven't had a gig in a few years. . . On 9/13/05, Adrian Bartholomew wrote: > see? this is what im talking about. >=20 > being a technically minded guy, joe was able to get the best out of his > foot controller. (congrats joe). > could u imaging the ordinary joe (pun intended:-) ) MEASURING > RESISTORS(read: having a probe tester and not worried about not knowing > the color coding) to REPLACE (read: desolder and resolder) them? >=20 > nope. > that thing wouldve been in the trash. instantly. >=20 > this reminds me of my epson C80 printer. if u KNOW about print heads > and how to clean them with alcohol and stuff, ur epson budget printer > would last u a long time. just go online and read the hatemail about > them. >=20 > but HP knows how to avoid printing "lines" WITHOUT needing the owners > to be comfortable with printing machines' insides. >=20 > ...is all im sayin. > ___ > Adrian Bartholomew > Leawood KS > On Sep 13, 2005, at 10:28 AM, joe rut wrote: >=20 > > For the record, I love the foot controller. I bought mine used 5 > > years ago and replaced the switches just as a matter ot course. I > > also measured all the > > resistors and replaced one that had drifted pretty far off value. Not > > a single problem (knock on wood) since then with fairly constant > > gigging and > > rehearsing, including five trips to burning man where *everything* one > > owns gets permeated with corrosive alkali dust. Upon returning home, > > I blow the > > switches out with compressed air and spray in some contact cleaner. > > No problems. I'm actually amazed at robustness off the design. I > > bought a bunch of > > replacemnet switches just so I'd have them on hand, and they are still > > just sitting in a drawer 5 years later. > > > > Joe Rut > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kim Flint" > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? > > Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 01:45:56 -0700 > > > >> > >> At 08:49 AM 9/11/2005, Adrian Bartholomew wrote: > >>> ITS PERFECT. go with the 1010. > >> > >> hmmm, I would say the FCB1010 is ok, but only compared to other > >> midi controllers currently available. But that is only because most > >> of the others available today are really horrible. Only the > >> Rocktron All Access seems better than the Behringer FCB1010, but > >> much more expensive. > >> > >> Compared to some past midi controllers however, the Behringer > >> FCB1010 is really weak. The Digitech PMC-10 and the Lake-Butler > >> RFC-1 Midigator were really exceptional, full-featured midi pedals, > >> and completely blow away anything available today. Both are long > >> out of production. They are really hard to find today because > >> people really treasure them. If you can find one, get it. > >> > >> It is really sad that nobody makes something comparable. I wish > >> somebody would just copy the old Digitech PMC-10 architecture. > >> > >>> the EDP foot controller response time is good. dont get me wrong. > >>> but the reliability is NOT. from what i understand, its not > >>> voltage controlled, its RESISTANCE controlled. maybe that is the > >>> problem in the 1st place. others may refute me but i have one and > >>> it sucks. any contamination of the buttons can set off the > >>> resistances and ur then screwed...ONSTAGE. > >> > >> I've seen you make these accusations about our poor pedal design a > >> few times Adrian, so allow me to explain the design goals we sought > >> in creating the Echoplex footpedal controller. > >> > >> First of all, the people involved in the Echoplex design are all > >> musicians in addition to engineers. In fact we were all musicians > >> before we were engineers. We've used many different pieces of gear > >> as musicians. We've dragged our gear around for rehearsals and > >> gigs. We've experienced problematic gear over time that irritated > >> us or broke on us or couldn't be worked around at the last minute, > >> and we sought to do better with the Echoplex. We designed the > >> Echoplex pedal to hopefully address many of these problems that we > >> had been irritated by in other gear. > >> > >> So despite what you say, reliability was one of the key design > >> goals. (I'll come back to the issue of what "reliability" means a > >> bit later.) > >> > >> First, let's cover the design requirements we came up with for the > >> Echoplex pedal: > >> > >> - The pedal should not use a proprietary cable. Cables will go bad. > >> We've all experienced it. If you can't replace the cable at the > >> last minute because it is some proprietary special-order thing, you > >> are screwed. So, the pedal must use a cable anybody can get easily, > >> or preferably something they likely have anyway. > >> > >> - The cable must not be fixed to the unit. Since we don't know how > >> big your stage is, we want to let you choose how long of a cable > >> you need. We also want you to be able to replace it easily if the > >> cable dies. Especially for transporting gear, attached cables get > >> bent in strange ways and suffer tremendous strain. It will be > >> better if it is easily detached. > >> > >> - There should only be one cable between pedal and rack. More > >> cables means more points of failure. More cost to the user. More > >> crap cluttering up the stage. More connections to be made while > >> setting up before the gig. More things to connect the wrong way by > >> mistake. More jacks to fail. One cable must be enough for the > >> Echoplex pedal. > >> > >> - The pedal should not require power. Power supplies fail often, > >> especially power supplies out on stage where they deal with beer, > >> power surges, booted stage divers and etc., and therefore anything > >> requiring a power supply is less reliable than a passive device. A > >> power supply requirement also adds to the inconvenience. This > >> requires power brought out to the stage, and an additional cable > >> connection be made to the pedal. > >> > >> - The pedal must be very simple in design, so it is easy to repair > >> on the road. Anything on the floor of a stage will get broken > >> eventually, so assume field repairable is essential. This pedal > >> will be getting stomped on, kicked around, getting beer spilled on > >> it, getting rained on, sitting in the hot sun in the summer, > >> freezing in the winter, etc. No matter what you do it will break > >> for somebody. It should be easy for the user to open the pedal up > >> and fix it. > >> > >> - It should be easy for people to make custom controllers. Most > >> people probably want a pedal, but not all. Some want to make their > >> own custom pedal. We have no idea what the others may want. It > >> should be easy for those who want something different to create > >> their own controller without much engineering knowledge or other > >> sophistication. The pedal design should be very simple for this to > >> be possible. > >> > >> - The pedal design must be very inexpensive to produce. People are > >> spending their money on the EDP, the foot controller should not be > >> a huge extra expense. The target manufacturing cost for parts, > >> fabrication, assembly, packaging, etc. should be less than $20. > >> > >> - The switches themselves must a) be quiet when pressed, b) have > >> reasonably low force required for activation, c) have a reasonably > >> short throw length, d) have a good tactile feel. This is so the > >> musician can easily feel the connection point for tapping loop > >> functions, which a generally very rhythmic and demand precision. > >> > >> In our opinion, these design goals were very friendly towards > >> musicians, at least according to our real-world experience as > >> musicians. > >> > >> So my challenge to you Adrian, is what would you design to meet > >> these requirements? You think our design sucks, so I would very > >> much like to hear your better idea. Perhaps you are a brilliant > >> engineer, and we can all learn from you! > >> > >> Now, given the design goals above, allow me to tell you how we > >> chose to meet them when we designed the Echoplex Digital Pro. Our > >> Echoplex pedal design used 7 resistors, 7 switches, one mono 1/4" > >> patch cable (just like you would use for a guitar, or even a > >> speaker cable), one cable jack, steel chassis, and no external > >> power. This means: > >> - Very few components, so there is little there to break. > >> - It is really easy to figure out how the pedal works if you open > >> it, so most anybody can figure out how to repair it quickly if > >> there is a problem. > >> - We published the resistor values in the manual, so anybody could > >> make their own controller if they wished. It's really easy to do. > >> - The switches are common momentary switches, and there are > >> numerous options for those if you want to use something different > >> from what we used. However we did spend a lot of time trying > >> switches, and we did not find anything that met our goals for > >> remotely close to the cost of the ones we used. > >> > >> We created the pedal itself to be a very simple design to ensure > >> reliability, while all the smarts are in the rack unit. Simple > >> stuff has less ways to break. The pedal simply sets a voltage, and > >> the rack unit reads the voltage with an a/d convertor to interpret > >> the function. Contrary to recent claims here on the LD list, the > >> switch is debounced twice. First it is debounced in the rack with a > >> capacitor before the a/d convertor , and then debounced again in > >> software, where the value is checked multiple times to ensure it is > >> correctly read. There is a wide tolerance given to the voltage > >> range for each function, so even if things are off a bit, it should > >> still work. > >> > >> I thought our design was rather clever, and I was always proud that > >> we managed to get 7 buttons of control communicated through just a > >> simple patch cord. But I'm now looking forward to Adrian educating > >> me on better ideas. > >> > >> Our Echoplex design has been working pretty well since 1994. Many > >> pedals have been working that long without problems (including > >> mine). The design itself generally does not fail. Usually the only > >> problems seen are with switches failing in various ways. (like > >> getting dirty.) A failing switch is a failing switch. Any pedal > >> will have a problem if the switches fail, so that is not a problem > >> unique to the Echoplex. > >> > >> And that brings up an interesting point. If you are into looping, > >> you will be tapping buttons and switches a lot. Probably much more > >> than on any other device you use. Switches wear out when used > >> frequently. (you may not be used to this.) They get dirty. They > >> break. They become intermittent. You need to start thinking about > >> switches similar to the way guitarists think about strings, or DJ's > >> think about crossfaders, or saxophonists think about reeds, or > >> drummers think about drum heads, or like the oil in your car. > >> Looper switches are commodities that wear out and need regular > >> replacement and/or care. It has nothing to do with it being an > >> Echoplex pedal or a boss or a digitech or whatever. If you are > >> stepping on it a lot, the switch will wear out. Be prepared or be > >> sorry. > >> > >> And I can guarantee you - you know those switches on your FCB1010? > >> If you use it for looping, their gonna break also. It's just a > >> matter of time. Do you know how to fix them? > >> > >> Now, let's talk about reliability. What is more reliable, the > >> Echoplex pedal, or a midi pedal like the Behringer FCB1010? How do > >> you determine that objectively? > >> > >> Reliability is an engineering science. It is not a guessing game. > >> It is also not my engineering specialty, but I work with > >> reliability engineers who are very good. I don't know exactly how > >> they do their reliability calculations, but I do know what > >> information I need to specify to them, and what results they > >> provide back. (another reason why I think it is funny when people > >> think laptops are a good thing to bring on stage, but that is > >> another topic.) Here are some parameters that go into a reliability > >> calculation: > >> > >> - how many components are used > >> - what is the individual reliability of each component in the usage > >> conditions > >> - how many component pins are connected > >> - how many electrical connection points (solder joints, connectors, > >> sockets, etc.) > >> - what sort of shock and vibration will it experience > >> - Is the device powered > >> - If it is powered, what voltages and voltage tolerances are used > >> (and how do they affect individual device reliability > >> characteristics, as each device will be different depending on its > >> own manufacturing process.) > >> - if powered, What are the temperature ranges where it operates > >> - what are humidity ranges where it operates > >> > >> All these factors go into calculating the MTBF (mean time before > >> failure). Half the units made will fail before that time, and half > >> after, with some statistical distribution. (I think it is gaussian, > >> but I'm not sure.) > >> > >> Now, considering all that, any midi pedal (including the Behringer > >> FCB) will have far more parts, far more device pins, far more > >> connection points, will be powered, will have more external > >> connections, will be more affected by temperature, more affected by > >> humidity, etc., than the overwhelmingly simple Echoplex pedal. > >> > >> In other words, if you really do a serious reliability analysis, a > >> midi pedal will always prove to be less reliable than the Echoplex > >> pedal, and probably it is the least reliable device you are using. > >> > >> On the other hand, if you do use a good midi controller pedal with > >> the Echoplex, you will have far more flexibility and access to > >> commands than you do with the pedal or the Echoplex front panel > >> (assuming you are using LoopIV in your Echoplex, LoopIII wasn't so > >> interesting for midi). A good midi pedal is far more useful with > >> the Echoplex, and that may be an excellent reason to choose the > >> midi pedal option! > >> > >> It is great to have choices, > >> kim > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________________ > >> Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > >> kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos > > Yellow Pages > > > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/ > > default.asp?SRC=3Dlycos10 > > > > >=20 >=20 --=20 Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 16:37:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D4233BF06; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:37:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050911221738.10ea5558@loopers-delight.com> References: <20050910022146.57912.qmail@web54613.mail.yahoo.com> <9886a4eb554254f258dac8b01dc52ce0@bartholomusic.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20050911221738.10ea5558@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-11-145843770 Message-Id: From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:36:55 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 66.226.64.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:37:04 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-11-145843770 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed i just re-read my reply to u. i really have to say that i commend what u guys have done in getting so many criteria INTO the design. cause thats how i feel. u accomplised the task. it IS quite simple and easy to fix. i DO love the fact that it has no power requirements and all it needs is a 1/4" cable. i also like midi controllers for the fact that i can chain the midi's together from station to station. if they were all edp fc's, id need the same length of 1/4" cable each time. i have no prob with the need for a ac outlet though other than increasing setup time (well, pull down time). this whole looping thing has GREATLY increased that. i have a gig tonight and im NOT looking forward to tearing down after it. thats the worst part of LIFE. 'specially if im "altered":-) but yeah, great job on the design. i wish there was some way to make it NOT go bad so relatively easily. (i know ur going to chew me out on that last sentence). ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 13, 2005, at 3:45 AM, Kim Flint wrote: > At 08:49 AM 9/11/2005, Adrian Bartholomew wrote: >> ITS PERFECT. go with the 1010. > > hmmm, I would say the FCB1010 is ok, but only compared to other midi > controllers currently available. But that is only because most of the > others available today are really horrible. Only the Rocktron All > Access seems better than the Behringer FCB1010, but much more > expensive. > > Compared to some past midi controllers however, the Behringer FCB1010 > is really weak. The Digitech PMC-10 and the Lake-Butler RFC-1 > Midigator were really exceptional, full-featured midi pedals, and > completely blow away anything available today. Both are long out of > production. They are really hard to find today because people really > treasure them. If you can find one, get it. > > It is really sad that nobody makes something comparable. I wish > somebody would just copy the old Digitech PMC-10 architecture. > >> the EDP foot controller response time is good. dont get me wrong. but >> the reliability is NOT. from what i understand, its not voltage >> controlled, its RESISTANCE controlled. maybe that is the problem in >> the 1st place. others may refute me but i have one and it sucks. any >> contamination of the buttons can set off the resistances and ur then >> screwed...ONSTAGE. > > I've seen you make these accusations about our poor pedal design a few > times Adrian, so allow me to explain the design goals we sought in > creating the Echoplex footpedal controller. > > First of all, the people involved in the Echoplex design are all > musicians in addition to engineers. In fact we were all musicians > before we were engineers. We've used many different pieces of gear as > musicians. We've dragged our gear around for rehearsals and gigs. > We've experienced problematic gear over time that irritated us or > broke on us or couldn't be worked around at the last minute, and we > sought to do better with the Echoplex. We designed the Echoplex pedal > to hopefully address many of these problems that we had been irritated > by in other gear. > > So despite what you say, reliability was one of the key design goals. > (I'll come back to the issue of what "reliability" means a bit later.) > > First, let's cover the design requirements we came up with for the > Echoplex pedal: > > - The pedal should not use a proprietary cable. Cables will go bad. > We've all experienced it. If you can't replace the cable at the last > minute because it is some proprietary special-order thing, you are > screwed. So, the pedal must use a cable anybody can get easily, or > preferably something they likely have anyway. > > - The cable must not be fixed to the unit. Since we don't know how big > your stage is, we want to let you choose how long of a cable you need. > We also want you to be able to replace it easily if the cable dies. > Especially for transporting gear, attached cables get bent in strange > ways and suffer tremendous strain. It will be better if it is easily > detached. > > - There should only be one cable between pedal and rack. More cables > means more points of failure. More cost to the user. More crap > cluttering up the stage. More connections to be made while setting up > before the gig. More things to connect the wrong way by mistake. More > jacks to fail. One cable must be enough for the Echoplex pedal. > > - The pedal should not require power. Power supplies fail often, > especially power supplies out on stage where they deal with beer, > power surges, booted stage divers and etc., and therefore anything > requiring a power supply is less reliable than a passive device. A > power supply requirement also adds to the inconvenience. This requires > power brought out to the stage, and an additional cable connection be > made to the pedal. > > - The pedal must be very simple in design, so it is easy to repair on > the road. Anything on the floor of a stage will get broken eventually, > so assume field repairable is essential. This pedal will be getting > stomped on, kicked around, getting beer spilled on it, getting rained > on, sitting in the hot sun in the summer, freezing in the winter, etc. > No matter what you do it will break for somebody. It should be easy > for the user to open the pedal up and fix it. > > - It should be easy for people to make custom controllers. Most people > probably want a pedal, but not all. Some want to make their own custom > pedal. We have no idea what the others may want. It should be easy for > those who want something different to create their own controller > without much engineering knowledge or other sophistication. The pedal > design should be very simple for this to be possible. > > - The pedal design must be very inexpensive to produce. People are > spending their money on the EDP, the foot controller should not be a > huge extra expense. The target manufacturing cost for parts, > fabrication, assembly, packaging, etc. should be less than $20. > > - The switches themselves must a) be quiet when pressed, b) have > reasonably low force required for activation, c) have a reasonably > short throw length, d) have a good tactile feel. This is so the > musician can easily feel the connection point for tapping loop > functions, which a generally very rhythmic and demand precision. > > In our opinion, these design goals were very friendly towards > musicians, at least according to our real-world experience as > musicians. > > So my challenge to you Adrian, is what would you design to meet these > requirements? You think our design sucks, so I would very much like to > hear your better idea. Perhaps you are a brilliant engineer, and we > can all learn from you! > > Now, given the design goals above, allow me to tell you how we chose > to meet them when we designed the Echoplex Digital Pro. Our Echoplex > pedal design used 7 resistors, 7 switches, one mono 1/4" patch cable > (just like you would use for a guitar, or even a speaker cable), one > cable jack, steel chassis, and no external power. This means: > - Very few components, so there is little there to break. > - It is really easy to figure out how the pedal works if you open it, > so most anybody can figure out how to repair it quickly if there is a > problem. > - We published the resistor values in the manual, so anybody could > make their own controller if they wished. It's really easy to do. > - The switches are common momentary switches, and there are numerous > options for those if you want to use something different from what we > used. However we did spend a lot of time trying switches, and we did > not find anything that met our goals for remotely close to the cost of > the ones we used. > > We created the pedal itself to be a very simple design to ensure > reliability, while all the smarts are in the rack unit. Simple stuff > has less ways to break. The pedal simply sets a voltage, and the rack > unit reads the voltage with an a/d convertor to interpret the > function. Contrary to recent claims here on the LD list, the switch is > debounced twice. First it is debounced in the rack with a capacitor > before the a/d convertor , and then debounced again in software, where > the value is checked multiple times to ensure it is correctly read. > There is a wide tolerance given to the voltage range for each > function, so even if things are off a bit, it should still work. > > I thought our design was rather clever, and I was always proud that we > managed to get 7 buttons of control communicated through just a simple > patch cord. But I'm now looking forward to Adrian educating me on > better ideas. > > Our Echoplex design has been working pretty well since 1994. Many > pedals have been working that long without problems (including mine). > The design itself generally does not fail. Usually the only problems > seen are with switches failing in various ways. (like getting dirty.) > A failing switch is a failing switch. Any pedal will have a problem if > the switches fail, so that is not a problem unique to the Echoplex. > > And that brings up an interesting point. If you are into looping, you > will be tapping buttons and switches a lot. Probably much more than on > any other device you use. Switches wear out when used frequently. (you > may not be used to this.) They get dirty. They break. They become > intermittent. You need to start thinking about switches similar to the > way guitarists think about strings, or DJ's think about crossfaders, > or saxophonists think about reeds, or drummers think about drum heads, > or like the oil in your car. Looper switches are commodities that wear > out and need regular replacement and/or care. It has nothing to do > with it being an Echoplex pedal or a boss or a digitech or whatever. > If you are stepping on it a lot, the switch will wear out. Be prepared > or be sorry. > > And I can guarantee you - you know those switches on your FCB1010? If > you use it for looping, their gonna break also. It's just a matter of > time. Do you know how to fix them? > > Now, let's talk about reliability. What is more reliable, the Echoplex > pedal, or a midi pedal like the Behringer FCB1010? How do you > determine that objectively? > > Reliability is an engineering science. It is not a guessing game. It > is also not my engineering specialty, but I work with reliability > engineers who are very good. I don't know exactly how they do their > reliability calculations, but I do know what information I need to > specify to them, and what results they provide back. (another reason > why I think it is funny when people think laptops are a good thing to > bring on stage, but that is another topic.) Here are some parameters > that go into a reliability calculation: > > - how many components are used > - what is the individual reliability of each component in the usage > conditions > - how many component pins are connected > - how many electrical connection points (solder joints, connectors, > sockets, etc.) > - what sort of shock and vibration will it experience > - Is the device powered > - If it is powered, what voltages and voltage tolerances are used (and > how do they affect individual device reliability characteristics, as > each device will be different depending on its own manufacturing > process.) > - if powered, What are the temperature ranges where it operates > - what are humidity ranges where it operates > > All these factors go into calculating the MTBF (mean time before > failure). Half the units made will fail before that time, and half > after, with some statistical distribution. (I think it is gaussian, > but I'm not sure.) > > Now, considering all that, any midi pedal (including the Behringer > FCB) will have far more parts, far more device pins, far more > connection points, will be powered, will have more external > connections, will be more affected by temperature, more affected by > humidity, etc., than the overwhelmingly simple Echoplex pedal. > > In other words, if you really do a serious reliability analysis, a > midi pedal will always prove to be less reliable than the Echoplex > pedal, and probably it is the least reliable device you are using. > > On the other hand, if you do use a good midi controller pedal with the > Echoplex, you will have far more flexibility and access to commands > than you do with the pedal or the Echoplex front panel (assuming you > are using LoopIV in your Echoplex, LoopIII wasn't so interesting for > midi). A good midi pedal is far more useful with the Echoplex, and > that may be an excellent reason to choose the midi pedal option! > > It is great to have choices, > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-11-145843770 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII i just re-read my reply to u. i really have to say that i commend what u guys have done in getting so many criteria INTO the design. cause thats how i feel. u accomplised the task. it IS quite simple and easy to fix. i DO love the fact that it has no power requirements and all it needs is a 1/4" cable. i also like midi controllers for the fact that i can chain the midi's together from station to station. if they were all edp fc's, id need the same length of 1/4" cable each time. i have no prob with the need for a ac outlet though other than increasing setup time (well, pull down time). this whole looping thing has GREATLY increased that. i have a gig tonight and im NOT looking forward to tearing down after it. thats the worst part of LIFE. 'specially if im "altered":-) but yeah, great job on the design. i wish there was some way to make it NOT go bad so relatively easily. (i know ur going to chew me out on that last sentence). ___7979,0404,0909 Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 13, 2005, at 3:45 AM, Kim Flint wrote: At 08:49 AM 9/11/2005, Adrian Bartholomew wrote: ITS PERFECT. go with the 1010. hmmm, I would say the FCB1010 is ok, but only compared to other midi controllers currently available. But that is only because most of the others available today are really horrible. Only the Rocktron All Access seems better than the Behringer FCB1010, but much more expensive. Compared to some past midi controllers however, the Behringer FCB1010 is really weak. The Digitech PMC-10 and the Lake-Butler RFC-1 Midigator were really exceptional, full-featured midi pedals, and completely blow away anything available today. Both are long out of production. They are really hard to find today because people really treasure them. If you can find one, get it. It is really sad that nobody makes something comparable. I wish somebody would just copy the old Digitech PMC-10 architecture. the EDP foot controller response time is good. dont get me wrong. but the reliability is NOT. from what i understand, its not voltage controlled, its RESISTANCE controlled. maybe that is the problem in the 1st place. others may refute me but i have one and it sucks. any contamination of the buttons can set off the resistances and ur then screwed...ONSTAGE. I've seen you make these accusations about our poor pedal design a few times Adrian, so allow me to explain the design goals we sought in creating the Echoplex footpedal controller. First of all, the people involved in the Echoplex design are all musicians in addition to engineers. In fact we were all musicians before we were engineers. We've used many different pieces of gear as musicians. We've dragged our gear around for rehearsals and gigs. We've experienced problematic gear over time that irritated us or broke on us or couldn't be worked around at the last minute, and we sought to do better with the Echoplex. We designed the Echoplex pedal to hopefully address many of these problems that we had been irritated by in other gear. So despite what you say, reliability was one of the key design goals. (I'll come back to the issue of what "reliability" means a bit later.) First, let's cover the design requirements we came up with for the Echoplex pedal: - The pedal should not use a proprietary cable. Cables will go bad. We've all experienced it. If you can't replace the cable at the last minute because it is some proprietary special-order thing, you are screwed. So, the pedal must use a cable anybody can get easily, or preferably something they likely have anyway. - The cable must not be fixed to the unit. Since we don't know how big your stage is, we want to let you choose how long of a cable you need. We also want you to be able to replace it easily if the cable dies. Especially for transporting gear, attached cables get bent in strange ways and suffer tremendous strain. It will be better if it is easily detached. - There should only be one cable between pedal and rack. More cables means more points of failure. More cost to the user. More crap cluttering up the stage. More connections to be made while setting up before the gig. More things to connect the wrong way by mistake. More jacks to fail. One cable must be enough for the Echoplex pedal. - The pedal should not require power. Power supplies fail often, especially power supplies out on stage where they deal with beer, power surges, booted stage divers and etc., and therefore anything requiring a power supply is less reliable than a passive device. A power supply requirement also adds to the inconvenience. This requires power brought out to the stage, and an additional cable connection be made to the pedal. - The pedal must be very simple in design, so it is easy to repair on the road. Anything on the floor of a stage will get broken eventually, so assume field repairable is essential. This pedal will be getting stomped on, kicked around, getting beer spilled on it, getting rained on, sitting in the hot sun in the summer, freezing in the winter, etc. No matter what you do it will break for somebody. It should be easy for the user to open the pedal up and fix it. - It should be easy for people to make custom controllers. Most people probably want a pedal, but not all. Some want to make their own custom pedal. We have no idea what the others may want. It should be easy for those who want something different to create their own controller without much engineering knowledge or other sophistication. The pedal design should be very simple for this to be possible. - The pedal design must be very inexpensive to produce. People are spending their money on the EDP, the foot controller should not be a huge extra expense. The target manufacturing cost for parts, fabrication, assembly, packaging, etc. should be less than $20. - The switches themselves must a) be quiet when pressed, b) have reasonably low force required for activation, c) have a reasonably short throw length, d) have a good tactile feel. This is so the musician can easily feel the connection point for tapping loop functions, which a generally very rhythmic and demand precision. In our opinion, these design goals were very friendly towards musicians, at least according to our real-world experience as musicians. So my challenge to you Adrian, is what would you design to meet these requirements? You think our design sucks, so I would very much like to hear your better idea. Perhaps you are a brilliant engineer, and we can all learn from you! Now, given the design goals above, allow me to tell you how we chose to meet them when we designed the Echoplex Digital Pro. Our Echoplex pedal design used 7 resistors, 7 switches, one mono 1/4" patch cable (just like you would use for a guitar, or even a speaker cable), one cable jack, steel chassis, and no external power. This means: - Very few components, so there is little there to break. - It is really easy to figure out how the pedal works if you open it, so most anybody can figure out how to repair it quickly if there is a problem. - We published the resistor values in the manual, so anybody could make their own controller if they wished. It's really easy to do. - The switches are common momentary switches, and there are numerous options for those if you want to use something different from what we used. However we did spend a lot of time trying switches, and we did not find anything that met our goals for remotely close to the cost of the ones we used. We created the pedal itself to be a very simple design to ensure reliability, while all the smarts are in the rack unit. Simple stuff has less ways to break. The pedal simply sets a voltage, and the rack unit reads the voltage with an a/d convertor to interpret the function. Contrary to recent claims here on the LD list, the switch is debounced twice. First it is debounced in the rack with a capacitor before the a/d convertor , and then debounced again in software, where the value is checked multiple times to ensure it is correctly read. There is a wide tolerance given to the voltage range for each function, so even if things are off a bit, it should still work. I thought our design was rather clever, and I was always proud that we managed to get 7 buttons of control communicated through just a simple patch cord. But I'm now looking forward to Adrian educating me on better ideas. Our Echoplex design has been working pretty well since 1994. Many pedals have been working that long without problems (including mine). The design itself generally does not fail. Usually the only problems seen are with switches failing in various ways. (like getting dirty.) A failing switch is a failing switch. Any pedal will have a problem if the switches fail, so that is not a problem unique to the Echoplex. And that brings up an interesting point. If you are into looping, you will be tapping buttons and switches a lot. Probably much more than on any other device you use. Switches wear out when used frequently. (you may not be used to this.) They get dirty. They break. They become intermittent. You need to start thinking about switches similar to the way guitarists think about strings, or DJ's think about crossfaders, or saxophonists think about reeds, or drummers think about drum heads, or like the oil in your car. Looper switches are commodities that wear out and need regular replacement and/or care. It has nothing to do with it being an Echoplex pedal or a boss or a digitech or whatever. If you are stepping on it a lot, the switch will wear out. Be prepared or be sorry. And I can guarantee you - you know those switches on your FCB1010? If you use it for looping, their gonna break also. It's just a matter of time. Do you know how to fix them? Now, let's talk about reliability. What is more reliable, the Echoplex pedal, or a midi pedal like the Behringer FCB1010? How do you determine that objectively? Reliability is an engineering science. It is not a guessing game. It is also not my engineering specialty, but I work with reliability engineers who are very good. I don't know exactly how they do their reliability calculations, but I do know what information I need to specify to them, and what results they provide back. (another reason why I think it is funny when people think laptops are a good thing to bring on stage, but that is another topic.) Here are some parameters that go into a reliability calculation: - how many components are used - what is the individual reliability of each component in the usage conditions - how many component pins are connected - how many electrical connection points (solder joints, connectors, sockets, etc.) - what sort of shock and vibration will it experience - Is the device powered - If it is powered, what voltages and voltage tolerances are used (and how do they affect individual device reliability characteristics, as each device will be different depending on its own manufacturing process.) - if powered, What are the temperature ranges where it operates - what are humidity ranges where it operates All these factors go into calculating the MTBF (mean time before failure). Half the units made will fail before that time, and half after, with some statistical distribution. (I think it is gaussian, but I'm not sure.) Now, considering all that, any midi pedal (including the Behringer FCB) will have far more parts, far more device pins, far more connection points, will be powered, will have more external connections, will be more affected by temperature, more affected by humidity, etc., than the overwhelmingly simple Echoplex pedal. In other words, if you really do a serious reliability analysis, a midi pedal will always prove to be less reliable than the Echoplex pedal, and probably it is the least reliable device you are using. On the other hand, if you do use a good midi controller pedal with the Echoplex, you will have far more flexibility and access to commands than you do with the pedal or the Echoplex front panel (assuming you are using LoopIV in your Echoplex, LoopIII wasn't so interesting for midi). A good midi pedal is far more useful with the Echoplex, and that may be an excellent reason to choose the midi pedal option! It is great to have choices, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-11-145843770-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 16:44:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB7BB3BEF7; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:44:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,106,1125874800"; d="scan'208"; a="15006517:sNHT151895646" X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AKMwAIKXJkOCBYMkFQEOGQc X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,106,1125874800"; d="scan'208"; a="10376304:sNHT39030362" Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050913171139.02db2500@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:24:24 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:RE: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly In-Reply-To: <20050913140351.E5C773BF1A@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050913140351.E5C773BF1A@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:44:16 +0000 (UTC) >Ive been wanting to do this is it possible with the >FCB1010 although it only sends note on? > > > > > When multiple loops have been set up with the > > MoreLoops parameter, > > > > you can trigger them directly with MIDI Note > > messages. hi Luis, ...and the problem being?? The good news is that your wish is indeed possible, just set up the correct note numbers and away you go. My fcb1010 set up for this is:- top row 6 Overdub 7 Multiply 8 Insert (for reverse) 9 Mute 10 undo bottom row 1 loop 1 2 loop 2 3 loop 3 4 loop 4 5 loop 5 edp moreloops=5 switchquant= off samplestyle = Sta andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 16:50:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F4D73BF0F; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:50:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20050913171139.02db2500@pop.tiscali.co.uk> References: <20050913140351.E5C773BF1A@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20050913171139.02db2500@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-13-146632849 Message-Id: From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:50:04 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 66.226.64.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:50:09 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-13-146632849 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed what button do u use for Record? ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 13, 2005, at 11:24 AM, a k butler wrote: > >> Ive been wanting to do this is it possible with the >> FCB1010 although it only sends note on? >> >> > > > When multiple loops have been set up with the >> > MoreLoops parameter, >> > > > you can trigger them directly with MIDI Note >> > messages. > > > hi Luis, > ...and the problem being?? > > The good news is that your wish is indeed possible, > just set up the correct note numbers and away you go. > > My fcb1010 set up for this is:- > > > top row > 6 Overdub > 7 Multiply > 8 Insert (for reverse) > 9 Mute > 10 undo > > bottom row > 1 loop 1 > 2 loop 2 > 3 loop 3 > 4 loop 4 > 5 loop 5 > > edp > > moreloops=5 > switchquant= off > samplestyle = Sta > > andy butler --Apple-Mail-13-146632849 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII what button do u use for Record? ___7979,0404,0909 Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 13, 2005, at 11:24 AM, a k butler wrote: Ive been wanting to do this is it possible with the FCB1010 although it only sends note on? > > > When multiple loops have been set up with the > MoreLoops parameter, > > > you can trigger them directly with MIDI Note > messages. hi Luis, ...and the problem being?? The good news is that your wish is indeed possible, just set up the correct note numbers and away you go. My fcb1010 set up for this is:- top row 6 Overdub 7 Multiply 8 Insert (for reverse) 9 Mute 10 undo bottom row 1 loop 1 2 loop 2 3 loop 3 4 loop 4 5 loop 5 edp moreloops=5 switchquant= off samplestyle = Sta andy butler --Apple-Mail-13-146632849-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 17:21:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8B953BF0E; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:21:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <43270A90.00006B.04020@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:21:20 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_KVMR0TB66RO000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <4326F675.10701@sun.com> To: Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:21:22 +0000 (UTC) --------------Boundary-00=_KVMR0TB66RO000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Funny =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Jeff Larson=0D Date: 09/13/05 08:59:16=0D To: Sony Felberg=0D Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: Re: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES=0D =0D Sony Felberg wrote:=0D > Until people learn to care and think as a whole, we'll be=0D > dancing in this circle of constrcution and destruction.=0D =0D Finally, some looping content in this thread.=0D =0D Jeff --------------Boundary-00=_KVMR0TB66RO000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Funny 
 
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Date: 09/13/05 08:= 59:16
Subject: Re: Devil= 's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES
 
Sony Felberg wrote:
> Until people learn to care and think as a whole, we'll be
> dancing in this circle of constrcution and destruction.
 
Finally, some looping content in this thread.
 
Jeff
--------------Boundary-00=_KVMR0TB66RO000000000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 18:03:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CD773BF06; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 18:03:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: bf3639255e93c27176d7dd806bdf3705 Received-SPF: none (colueza.terra.com.br: 200.176.10.4 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of grob.org) client-ip=200.176.10.4; envelope-from=matthias@grob.org; helo=[10.1.1.6]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20050910022146.57912.qmail@web54613.mail.yahoo.com> <9886a4eb554254f258dac8b01dc52ce0@bartholomusic.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20050911221738.10ea5558@loopers-delight.com> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:02:40 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 18:03:06 +0000 (UTC) >Well said, Kim. One thing I'd always wondered though was why more >features weren't accessible through resistor values not incorporated >into the footswitch, such as halfspeed, individual loop access, >separate access to rounded/unrounded multiply/record, etc? That'd >allow people access to the deeper features without a MIDI controller. > there is a voltage for the Parameter button, but its delicate. your idea is interesting, but the EDP concept is to keep the number of keys low. When we designed it, HalfSpeed was not planned and we did not think people would like Reverse so much... It also would not work the voltages are not linearely spread through this we can allow you to press a second switch! try holding Overdub and do Insert, then let Overdub go... all on one cable, amazing technology, no? Kims idea, if I remember right. sad that the switches are not good enough... there are not many ready ones that are not noisy. Bigger pedals productions invest in molds to create their switches. dont you think smaller, mainly flater would be nicer? dont you think the Behringer is too long? Tom keeps joking that you recognize a looper by this thing sticking out of his bag :-) how about devided in two? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 18:07:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8E643BF16; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 18:07:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jgmgR4jaiiCXeKb2MFi9xA1rRV6dmlG0IePe48zYiAj6aHehW0Dgvr26B580K37L8jWpn4lB1oB5mKhLMrhD+Gt7cCtWDtn4mE4hVo4DlqpFG6jUjTG4CK7Ed8brd6VewdzzWRc+TJfZg41AfgfvE+czDM6bc+wnZnFcXnL9m0c= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:07:29 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: travishartnett@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050910022146.57912.qmail@web54613.mail.yahoo.com> <9886a4eb554254f258dac8b01dc52ce0@bartholomusic.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20050911221738.10ea5558@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 18:07:32 +0000 (UTC) I agree that the EDP footswitch is a good size and covers a broad range of the features, particularly when you consider the original software, but it'd be nice to have the option to build a larger, or more specialized controller without being so dependent on third-party MIDI solutions. As I've frequently said, my number 1 wish for a future EDP is the ability to "learn" any MIDI input and map that to a function so that you can use a garden variety MIDI controller, which are dime a dozen, and bypass the need for a PC based foot controller programming utility. TravisH On 9/13/05, Matthias Grob wrote: > >Well said, Kim. One thing I'd always wondered though was why more > >features weren't accessible through resistor values not incorporated > >into the footswitch, such as halfspeed, individual loop access, > >separate access to rounded/unrounded multiply/record, etc? That'd > >allow people access to the deeper features without a MIDI controller. > > >=20 > there is a voltage for the Parameter button, but its delicate. > your idea is interesting, but the EDP concept is to keep the number > of keys low. When we designed it, HalfSpeed was not planned and we > did not think people would like Reverse so much... >=20 > It also would not work the voltages are not linearely spread > through this we can allow you to press a second switch! > try holding Overdub and do Insert, then let Overdub go... all on one > cable, amazing technology, no? Kims idea, if I remember right. > sad that the switches are not good enough... there are not many ready > ones that are not noisy. Bigger pedals productions invest in molds to > create their switches. > dont you think smaller, mainly flater would be nicer? >=20 > dont you think the Behringer is too long? > Tom keeps joking that you recognize a looper by this thing sticking > out of his bag :-) > how about devided in two? >=20 >=20 > -- >=20 >=20 > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 18:43:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 902673BF11; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 18:43:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,106,1125874800"; d="scan'208"; a="15105636:sNHT2171610448" X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AKMwAKKzJkOCBYMkFQEOGQc X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,106,1125874800"; d="scan'208"; a="10432010:sNHT1278269482" Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050913191604.02db2b40@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 19:22:55 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly In-Reply-To: <20050913172123.179083BF16@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050913172123.179083BF16@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 18:43:43 +0000 (UTC) >what button do u use for Record? buttons 1,2,3,4,5 all record to their respective loops if that loop is empty. If there's something recorded already then buttons 1-5 will cause it to play. A long press erases the relevant loop. It would be useful to have a record button, so I may change the setup. >>My fcb1010 set up for this is:- >> >> >>top row >>6 Overdub >>7 Multiply >>8 Insert (for reverse) >>9 Mute >>10 undo >> >>bottom row >>1 loop 1 >>2 loop 2 >>3 loop 3 >>4 loop 4 >>5 loop 5 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 20:11:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 069053BF11; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:11:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20050912083420.8494.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050912083420.8494.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <45e6e0765eaa62ae6a4f7b32b9f25993@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Dear RED STATES Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:11:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:11:26 +0000 (UTC) hearing the terms "red state", "blue state", "gay marriage", or "abortion" makes me want to barf in a bag. i have a better idea: why don't we put everyone who used the terms "red state" or "blue state" in a cage and let them fight to the death? then the rest of us can live our lives without this divisive verbage weighing us down. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 20:19:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B9D83BF0F; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:19:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=sER/JXLnRoIXHY5rdMdFnwKTn6oW5KxQ+MYHhMSQJByAq+w3BB6ZXTezAQwC1FyrBtv8knunmGf93se0rkpR6Wqp8GVqqUpnhoymWXQbNC4asEGVB7cBLQBkhb8fLTwjRvveFQnMY7cGwUgLU5cnPxnc3JAh9UizmE+IzxOY4xI= ; Message-ID: <20050913201927.76049.qmail@web50808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 13:19:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Wind Stick Devil Subject: Re: Dear RED STATES To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <45e6e0765eaa62ae6a4f7b32b9f25993@suitandtieguy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2125422941-1126642766=:76039" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:19:28 +0000 (UTC) --0-2125422941-1126642766=:76039 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have a better idea. Fry up the 'barf' and eat it! :) Suit & Tie Guy wrote:hearing the terms "red state", "blue state", "gay marriage", or "abortion" makes me want to barf in a bag. i have a better idea: why don't we put everyone who used the terms "red state" or "blue state" in a cage and let them fight to the death? then the rest of us can live our lives without this divisive verbage weighing us down. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-2125422941-1126642766=:76039 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I have a better idea. Fry up the 'barf' and eat it! :)

Suit & Tie Guy <erwill@suitandtieguy.com> wrote:
hearing the terms "red state", "blue state", "gay marriage", or
"abortion" makes me want to barf in a bag.

i have a better idea:

why don't we put everyone who used the terms "red state" or "blue
state" in a cage and let them fight to the death?

then the rest of us can live our lives without this divisive verbage
weighing us down.
---
Eric Williamson
www.suitandtieguy.com

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-2125422941-1126642766=:76039-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 20:29:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B5953BF11; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:29:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: Dear RED STATES Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:30:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A3_01C5B880.6A1B0ED0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20050913201927.76049.qmail@web50808.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 thread-index: AcW4oHGYz+GPTRApTN+LpHxIHPKjngAANXKA Message-Id: <20050913202937.AAEF83BF07@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:29:39 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01C5B880.6A1B0ED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please take this discussion to a related forum (if there is such a = place). =20 We=92ve all subscribed to this list because of our common interest in = LOOPING! =20 Not politics, not macram=E9, not pan flute (unless you loop it), not = matt damon. LOOPING! =20 _____ =20 From: Wind Stick Devil [mailto:wklemmer1@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 4:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dear RED STATES =20 I have a better idea. Fry up the 'barf' and eat it! :) Suit & Tie Guy wrote:=20 hearing the terms "red state", "blue state", "gay marriage", or=20 "abortion" makes me want to barf in a bag. i have a better idea: why don't we put everyone who used the terms "red state" or "blue=20 state" in a cage and let them fight to the death? then the rest of us can live our lives without this divisive verbage=20 weighing us down. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01C5B880.6A1B0ED0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Please take this discussion to a = related forum (if there is such a place).

 

We’ve all subscribed to this = list because of our common interest in LOOPING!

 

Not politics, not macram=E9, not = pan flute (unless you loop it), not matt damon. = LOOPING!

 

From: Wind = Stick Devil [mailto:wklemmer1@yahoo.com]
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Subject: Re: Dear RED = STATES

 

I have a better idea. Fry up the 'barf' and eat it! :)

Suit & Tie = Guy <erwill@suitandtieguy.com> wrote: =

hearing the = terms "red state", "blue state", "gay marriage", = or
"abortion" makes me want to barf in a bag.

i have a better idea:

why don't we put everyone who used the terms "red state" or "blue
state" in a cage and let them fight to the death?

then the rest of us can live our lives without this divisive verbage =
weighing us down.
---
Eric Williamson
www.suitandtieguy.com

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------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01C5B880.6A1B0ED0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 20:51:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F1EA3BEC7; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:51:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:51:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: KLOBUCHAR'$ "EURODISX" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4280182.1126644661946.JavaMail.root@vms169.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 20:51:12 +0000 (UTC) hey you lucky cats that paid only 150 francs for this amazing cd.....go to the address after my name and you will be teleported to my hot new website with the SONG TITLES for "EURODISX".....or that's what's supposed to happen!.....m http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 21:49:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FCFD3BEF9; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:49:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=q7D/0s5Emnt9NN/K+kJfJ1Ol6EehU44bHmF27Mz6rpOgcYlVDLeSMD2RlPFodoiLLWynHWesGysGkVLkqW/b08KvSvRzJ1rkStm1kNArjYJZzBOAh3wbKbMW/gqB0FL55sgVqKtMA/LzWXxwj4arF+U+gY9EYRaTQcEO0vXB26Y= ; Message-ID: <20050913214911.39352.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:49:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:49:12 +0000 (UTC) This is great news Andy thanx i just wanted to make sure is possible i havent done it because my fcb1010 is full with programed patches! i did attempt to do this previously but didn´t work.I was programing both the repeater and EDP with the same pedal which can throw you into confusion if u are not careful,with the fcb1010 for ex. i have to give a different pc #´s for some of the midi functions which can be a pain in the ass.its also still buggy so i think i might get a separate midi pedal for it... or wait another 10 yrs. for the new software yeah! cheers Luis > > hi Luis, > > ...and the problem being?? > > > > The good news is that your wish is indeed > possible, > > just set up the correct note numbers and away you > go. > > > > My fcb1010 set up for this is:- > > > > > > top row > > 6 Overdub > > 7 Multiply > > 8 Insert (for reverse) > > 9 Mute > > 10 undo > > > > bottom row > > 1 loop 1 > > 2 loop 2 > > 3 loop 3 > > 4 loop 4 > > 5 loop 5 > > > > edp > > > > moreloops=5 > > switchquant= off > > samplestyle = Sta > > > > andy butler > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 21:53:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4FB33BF05; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:53:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:53:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Donovan Stokes Subject: Repeater MK ii shipping? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <2802753.1126648387632.JavaMail.dstokes@valdosta.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-PMX-Version: 5.0.2.153301, Antispam-Engine: 2.0.3.2, Antispam-Data: 2005.9.13.25 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:53:08 +0000 (UTC) Hello, Anyone know if the new Repeater is actually shipping or available yet? I see them advertised at some online sites, but the electrix website doesn't indicate any dealers. Are they shipping, or are they still un-released. Thanks, --------------------- Donovan Stokes www.donovanstokes.com 229.259.0081 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 21:53:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C3193BF00; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:53:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vQk2IFM4RnmyQD42VJuZVH/wjN05urrD5b8G5VdMW0wzAlPxHIb97z/t2E2DKzWFPUbqCCp9SDPK87TGGyjlOTxI0Wqua/H6RJrcDi/3973GpQ0XmgJZDNXu16gM/gtWleJbp4r2KcKi1pHDcMADIRJg47Iy9Qqg7l9NtYXCM1w= ; Message-ID: <20050913215317.89711.qmail@web52815.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:53:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:53:17 +0000 (UTC) Andy is interesting that you program the most important functions in the top row,you must do a lot with more loops triggering,no? but where is your record button? > > My fcb1010 set up for this is:- > > > > > > top row > > 6 Overdub > > 7 Multiply > > 8 Insert (for reverse) > > 9 Mute > > 10 undo > > > > bottom row > > 1 loop 1 > > 2 loop 2 > > 3 loop 3 > > 4 loop 4 > > 5 loop 5 > > > > edp > > > > moreloops=5 > > switchquant= off > > samplestyle = Sta > > > > andy butler > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 21:54:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D09E3BF0C; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:54:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Moxqrqk4mPtzVUTAsIdn/dP2k/UoblGOdm03YPK3cN9hfSw7vpUQN1pWNQi7pL2/YLkSd26Usd2zKYSbJNmG/pCzFHbvTotOA0fvYzrVFN8EyrTlo8luFBL1jh7Jz9oWcOcNcyoCRazWytSaPg6pDNfMRvaukCp+71QreTgPvh4= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:54:51 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: travishartnett@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater MK ii shipping? In-Reply-To: <2802753.1126648387632.JavaMail.dstokes@valdosta.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <2802753.1126648387632.JavaMail.dstokes@valdosta.edu> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:54:52 +0000 (UTC) They haven't shipped yet. On 9/13/05, Donovan Stokes wrote: > Hello, > Anyone know if the new Repeater is actually shipping or available yet? > I see them advertised at some online sites, but the electrix website > doesn't indicate any dealers. Are they shipping, or are they still > un-released. > Thanks, >=20 > --------------------- > Donovan Stokes > www.donovanstokes.com > 229.259.0081 >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 22:14:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA4D63BEF9; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 22:14:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=msM/CVTeKVjuR6ogTgbhtBQTGGkZBS3wywRbsR7sv5Yot5i3cCULeakbKYu3FdLWKItv77ovx0jazVHiZAKEVAeqdFkv6mr9RNMkMjnl10Wbn1IrRkaz4AZNIgRHJUo11XCHNVGSSs0UsgyHT26SmSy3Exbkpi78gE8/LGDOX0c= ; Message-ID: <20050913221429.45949.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:14:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <04e1347795d3ac94aed57e859ed3d04a@bartholomusic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 22:14:30 +0000 (UTC) Don´t feel bad Adrian i am as well guilty for putting down the EFC-7,i change those switches god knows how many times and it always made me uneasy onstage,i even started hating the EDP for it.Since i got rid of it and got a fcb1010 i love life and the EDP! The fcb1010 has a learning curve but with patient anybody can learn it and it will turn your basic EDP into a loop giant! And by the time the fcb1010 buttons go bad you´ll be in a psychatric clinic for EFC-7phobia! Luis --- Adrian Bartholomew wrote: > From: Adrian Bartholomew > Date: September 13, 2005 11:22:41 AM CDT > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? > > kim, u sound like i did when i did > marketing/advertising. > > the client would outline their market target > audience and also, like u, > through statistics, provided by 3rd party companies, > i had to pinpoint > who they were by their race, socio-economic strata, > age, sex and > musical tastes (i also did jingles or commissioned > them out). > > if the marketing didnt work, what then? > > do i challenge the advertiser to enlighten me with a > better idea based > on a sarcastically appointed imaginary marketing > degree i suddenly > hinted that they might have? that wouldve > been....bad. jobwise and > karmawise. > do i blame the public for not "getting it"? > tempting, especially after > all the working hrs, love, sweat, sleepless nights, > attention to detail > and scientific "facts" presented in the project. > sometimes i was stubborn too. > > but no. > > all we can do is recall the vehicle and try > something else based upon > new information eg. data from questionaires given to > random groups > within the target market in a controlled > environment. > > because THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT. > > now i do also have quite a lot of engineering > experience so i > completely understand u and ur company's reasoning > behind the design of > the footpedal. i, however, believe that a lot of ur > customers would > prefer, and indeed even pay more, for a product that > didnt go bad so > relatively quickly (WITHOUT SELF SERVICING) even > though it could be > fixed easily. the moment onstage is gone. > try building a powered, midi controller with > switches based on > different technology for more money and see which > sells more. designed > BY gibson. that would be awesome. > im not alone in this. how many of ur beloved EDP > users have complained > about ur footpedal. > come on kim. they're EDP USERS. how many others want > it and cant afford > it. ur users are already in the category of, "im > buying it cause its > the best, not because its cheap". > > i dont quite swallow the... faultyness of all > switches used on a > regular basis... theory. we all use many switches in > our lives that > never fail, though some do. i have keyboards that > are as good today as > they ever were. every key on the keyboard is a > switch isnt it? what > about the program buttons. they too are switches. > the keys on my > computers never went bad. laptop or desktop. the > lightswitches in my > house. my gtr pedals, volume sustain for my > keyboard. NEVER. i know > others may have different experiences but i could > safely say that lots > of folk never had problems with any of these above > switches. > reliability is in the hands of the beholder not just > in engineering > calculations. > i will try to clean my edp footpedal switches. > thanks for the tip. im > comfortable with electronics. but i guarantee u > this. no matter HOW > easy it may be for me ...and u...and others like us, > most of ur > customers will never be comfortable opening up an > electronic device. > they dont want to have to. > > ___ > Adrian Bartholomew > Leawood KS www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 22:18:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9ED303BF0C; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 22:18:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=grVrNByGr1HFvz0atd7TRKWoBL84MO5pBRzjBJF0yiEfJn3A2bg3cW7+X6TYpj4wPn6AehUbvb5U1FSuhV0QhaAFeFTgf6z7B3FOIxDGjElUOhvIXMPa9eMi+7y8rDYoh5yGdsvLp/yawyDVUrRP3ZLjnhp0IhaFDGoRZRs+L98= ; Message-ID: <20050913221823.46704.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:18:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8E7FDE96-9085-4AD5-9163-077B8CE0E25E@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 22:18:23 +0000 (UTC) thanx Per! Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > On Sep 13, 2005, at 15:08, Luis Angulo wrote: > > > > Ive been wanting to do this is it possible with > the > > FCB1010 although it only sends note on? > > > Yes, note on is enough for the LoopTrig function. I > have decided to > set up 5 EDP loops directly accessible from one row > of FCB buttons. > As Adrian said, the FCB sends a note off when you > let go of a pedal. > Note off is for example used by the EDP function: > "SUSNextLoop Sustain Action NextLoop" (NoteOn = > Next, NoteOff = > Previous) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > > > >>>> When multiple loops have been set up with the > >>>> > >> MoreLoops parameter, > >> > >>>> you can trigger them directly with MIDI Note > >>>> > >> messages. The LoopTrig > >> > >>>> parameter defines the base Note for Loop 1. The > >>>> > >> consecutive Loops > >> > >>>> occupy the notes above that, so Loop 2 is > >>>> > >> LoopTrig+1, Loop 3 is > >> > >>>> LoopTrig+2, etc. > >>>> > >>>> (oops, just saw Andy's post...) > >>>> > >>>> Bernhard > >>>> > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 22:21:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 723293BF05; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 22:21:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=t8slztc7RpXa0YUwpSVZzfCutr7jC/wznswl6krjGRxMNSgiiDI2b48m3Q2uvS+SugSWeUCgVEll47ubS3PYreeRt2zlG7a5EN1RGjK+Ne/8i3WpnpGd7/rE0PL7W3S0I7rXw4p8vdi7ymDc4tUFrLsnEnJid0XNcM6K32l56Wk= ; Message-ID: <20050913222113.42702.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:21:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <02438c33c1b4143638397e7a336e7fc7@bartholomusic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 22:21:14 +0000 (UTC) i wonder if it will work having Quant=on then i can jump between differnt arrangements...? --- Adrian Bartholomew wrote: > the 1010 does send note off (or note on 0 vel) > ___ > Adrian Bartholomew > Leawood KS > On Sep 13, 2005, at 8:08 AM, Luis Angulo wrote: > > > > > Ive been wanting to do this is it possible with > the > > FCB1010 although it only sends note on? > > > >>>> When multiple loops have been set up with the > >> MoreLoops parameter, > >>>> you can trigger them directly with MIDI Note > >> messages. The LoopTrig > >>>> parameter defines the base Note for Loop 1. The > >> consecutive Loops > >>>> occupy the notes above that, so Loop 2 is > >> LoopTrig+1, Loop 3 is > >>>> LoopTrig+2, etc. > >>>> > >>>> (oops, just saw Andy's post...) > >>>> > >>>> Bernhard > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 22:35:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71DD63BF0E; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 22:35:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ph6V9e0fZXXTcvxZ7gfS0l315lDFonBH3NsePhxshv4vCY4wiU82yJy0tiqOqKWI71t6iLoKFEDcO1Dy5ilbi1nGQjT6lHrSBW8QcMGl39YpcncVRMuu3YS8wdCGKjexjiEITCw7+EhNZIDOAVNP69shve1GLgJwnm1iQq3x5RM= Message-ID: <191187d05091315356d2aa8af@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:35:13 -0700 From: "Christopher R. Molaug" Reply-To: cmolaug@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <20050912192857.33417.qmail@web30511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050912192857.33417.qmail@web30511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 22:35:15 +0000 (UTC) loopers delight: y'all should put a filter to keep this stuff from posting on the list. 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Once that's done, the "block OT thread" filter is next on the list. On 9/13/05, Christopher R. Molaug wrote: > loopers delight: > y'all should put a filter to keep this stuff from posting on the list. >=20 > On 9/12/05, Tim Nelson wrote: > > > Don't send your unsubscribe message to the list, or > > > people will make fun > > > of you and you will feel like a dork. > > > > Since many of our lobsters are from international > > waters... > > > > N'envoyez pas votre message d'unsubscribe =E0 la liste, > > ou ridicule de volont=E9 de personnes vous et vous vous > > sentirez idiot. > > > > Schicken Sie Ihre unsubscribe Anzeige nicht zur Liste, > > sonst Leute l=E4cherlich machen Sie und Sie f=FChlen dumm. > > > > Non trasmetta il vostro messaggio del unsubscribe alla > > lista, o il ridicule di volont=E0 della gente voi e > > riterrete insensati. > > > > No env=EDe su mensaje del unsubscribe a la lista, o la > > gente le podr=E1 en rid=EDculo y usted se sentir=E1 absurdo. > > > > -t- > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > >=20 >=20 > -- >=20 > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > Liquid Synthetics > http://audiostreet.net/liquidsynthetics - mp3 downloads > http://garageband.com/artist/liquidsynthetics - general info. > http://www.download.com/liquidsynthetics - mp3 downloads > http://music.mp3lizard.com/liquidsynthetics - mp3 downloads > http://www.myspace.com/liquidsynthetics - blog > http://www.angelfire.com/indie/liquidsynthetics - homepage > http://www.attheforum.com/forums/?mforum=3Dsmile - Discussion Forum > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 22:56:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2F6A3BF0F; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 22:56:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050913154940.04eb2150@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:56:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <191187d05091315356d2aa8af@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050912192857.33417.qmail@web30511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <191187d05091315356d2aa8af@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 22:56:51 +0000 (UTC) At 03:35 PM 9/13/2005, Christopher R. Molaug wrote: >loopers delight: >y'all should put a filter to keep this stuff from posting on the list. We do have such a filter. People keep coming up with "innovative" methods to get around it. It is remarkable how many ways people can misspell words or use screwy html formatting in their emails. it is difficult to predict them all. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 13 23:20:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 277383BF00; Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:20:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: <2802753.1126648387632.JavaMail.dstokes@valdosta.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0ee30a1dca15ff859af7e9f31a0fa21f@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Repeater MK ii shipping? Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 18:20:40 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: <3A1cUC.A.kLG.L71JDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:20:44 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 13, 2005, at 4:54 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > They haven't shipped yet. has anyone established that they exist yet? --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 00:28:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0E253BEFE; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 00:28:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: OT: Maxon Phaser? Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 19:25:18 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 00:28:13 +0000 (UTC) I'm looking for a good phaser. I was curious if anyone had any recommendations. One that I'm looking closely at is the Maxon PH-350. I don't suppose anyone has one lying around they could part with? If so, give me a shout. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 01:46:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 118513BF06; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 01:46:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=EAksGPNV6mt6lIYZVxEE6siDEHZWaVIxKcsrYDNUxUYsXfaa4AAnqBIJnmwa35iJ; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200593141495610@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Brioschi and the Zoom 2100 Re: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 21:49:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94039513097b89d06fa3e5ab89e39b4ade1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.150.171 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 01:46:19 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hee hee...good Belew reference! "These are words that begin with a B this time!" Say, Stephen, help fill a hole in memory, would you? Did I have a nice exchange with you, many moons ago, about the Zoom 2100 and the evils of Scientology, or was it somebody else? Maybe I'm flashing on a bad batch of Brisoschi ;-) ~Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Goodman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 9/13/2005 12:30:43 PM Subject: Re: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES Babble, burble, banter, bicker bicker bicker, ballyhoo! It's only talk. ----- Original Message ----- From: Adrian Bartholomew To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tuesday, 13 September, 2005 17:20 PM Subject: Re: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES construction deconstruction construction decontruction theres the loop. ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 13, 2005, at 10:55 AM, Jeff Larson wrote: Sony Felberg wrote: Until people learn to care and think as a whole, we'll be dancing in this circle of constrcution and destruction. Finally, some looping content in this thread. Jeff ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Hee hee...good Belew reference!
"These are words that begin with a B this time!"
Say, Stephen, help fill a hole in memory, would you? Did I have a nice exchange with you, many moons ago, about the Zoom 2100 and the evils of Scientology, or was it somebody else? Maybe I'm flashing on a bad batch of Brisoschi ;-)
~Tim 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 9/13/2005 12:30:43 PM
Subject: Re: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES

Babble, burble, banter, bicker bicker bicker, ballyhoo!  It's only talk.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, 13 September, 2005 17:20 PM
Subject: Re: Devil's AdvocateRE: Dear RED STATES

construction deconstruction construction decontruction

theres the loop.
___
Adrian Bartholomew
Leawood KS
On Sep 13, 2005, at 10:55 AM, Jeff Larson wrote:

Sony Felberg wrote:
Until people learn to care and think as a whole, we'll be dancing in this circle of constrcution and destruction.

Finally, some looping content in this thread.

Jeff

------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 06:23:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C7643BEFE; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 06:23:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:23:07 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:15:38 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.74.55 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 06:23:44 +0000 (UTC) Matthias wrote, > dont you think smaller, mainly flater would be nicer? > dont you think the Behringer is too long? definitely. I hate carrying around huge boxes. The Echoplex itself is too large :-) it should be half as large, or even smaller. I loved the small self-built midi footpedal you showed us in Zurich, that size was about ok. I wonder (not knowing anything about Midi controllers) if it wouldn't be possible to keep the EDP footpedal (to trigger the basic rec/ovl/mul/ins functions), and somehow use a second unit (something that I imagine to be very small, like some tiny keys glued to the guitar) to change between sets of reprogrammed basic functions - one set would use the regular insert, another one ins=sus unrounded, another one backwards, etc. ... so, something like Michael Schiefel's wizard keyboard, but even smaller than that ... not necessarily have all options on keys available at once, but the option to change between defined sets of options. > how about devided in two? not a bad idea. Now where did I put my chainsaw ... -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 06:47:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D66E33BF05; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 06:47:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,107,1125874800"; d="scan'208"; a="15485733:sNHT26215938" X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ANYjAGxjJ0OCBYMkFQEOIA X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,107,1125874800"; d="scan'208"; a="10655444:sNHT49579425" Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050914072709.02dcf7f0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 07:40:44 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly In-Reply-To: <20050913222115.98ED83BF12@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050913222115.98ED83BF12@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 06:47:21 +0000 (UTC) >Andy is interesting that you program the most >important functions in the top row,you must do a lot >with more loops triggering,no? but where is your >record button? Well, that's a special bank just for going between loops very rapidly. In that case I have the edp set up so I can (for instance) play a 5 note bass line while pressing the buttons along the bottom row, and end up with each bass note assigned to a different switch. mostly I use:- top row 6- Insert 7- Reverse 8- HSp 9- Subst 10 -Mute bottom row 1- rec 2- overdub 3- mult 4 - Undo 5- Nextloop From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 08:02:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDDC83BEF9; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:02:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0E3B668C-8DAF-41BB-BDFD-5E20EC50D9E6@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:02:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:02:05 +0000 (UTC) > On Sep 14, 2005, at 8:23, Michael Peters wrote: > I wonder (not knowing anything about Midi controllers) if it > wouldn't be > possible to keep the EDP footpedal (to trigger the basic rec/ovl/ > mul/ins > functions), and somehow use a second unit (something that I imagine > to be > very small, like some tiny keys glued to the guitar) to change > between sets > of reprogrammed basic functions - one set would use the regular > insert, > another one ins=sus unrounded, another one backwards, etc. ... Yes, I had such a set-up two years ago; combining the EFC-7 with a FCB1010. I mostly used the FCB1010 to change programs in the EDP (each program set up with different Insert functions, different 8ths/ cycle etc etc) but i was using the EFC-7 to play the EDP. Main FCB1010 assignment was to control a Repeater and a filter bank. When a friend bought an EDP that came without the foot pedal I sold my EFC-7 to him and since then I have been on the FCB1010 only (with some additional gadgets). I now have this ultra tiny midi mixer called Faderfox LV1 and I just love it! I really want to find something equally small that only sends MIDI program send messages. I don't think I could do without the FCB1010, but I want something to call up programs so I won't need to step between so many FCB banks all the time. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 08:11:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83C043BF06; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:11:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <0E3B668C-8DAF-41BB-BDFD-5E20EC50D9E6@boysen.se> References: <0E3B668C-8DAF-41BB-BDFD-5E20EC50D9E6@boysen.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1F4190D1-E29E-4BC7-9EA9-AA9F4231F7FD@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:11:25 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: <6An5f.A.H1.ys9JDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:11:30 +0000 (UTC) >> On Sep 14, 2005, at 8:23, Michael Peters wrote: > >>>> I wonder (not knowing anything about Midi controllers) if it >>>> wouldn't be >>>> possible to keep the EDP footpedal (to trigger the basic rec/ovl/ >>>> mul/ins >>>> functions), and somehow use a second unit... 8< 8< 8<..... Just want to add to my previous post that you might want to get at those LOOP4 direct midi functions. I can't see how the FCB-7 can do that even by setting up dedicated EDP programs, so you will need something that sends MIDI note numbers. / per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 11:52:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D94B93BECF; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:52:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mHUqSnovM3LtMpqtwbmMWAmT0r+/BuWTtt/JnlpEEcSsPjbf2nr3NuPFPgS88VNi+AUpbCo1MRnu5i7SkZIF1x7aUDZqZ519jdpv3p71VzD046V9Ev4f5ThZcjgWq7kxJImeUSNRQKIHrIBaotoeRDp3/snnajbPzlDqsK/8Vt8= ; Message-ID: <20050914115254.71959.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 04:52:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re:Re: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20050914072709.02dcf7f0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:52:57 +0000 (UTC) Andy i have the same config good to hear that! but that is an brilliant idea,build an ostinato bass line while changing harmonies with the different loops,now i want to find a little (non synth) effect that will turn my guitar into a bass,what do u use? --- a k butler wrote: > > >Andy is interesting that you program the most > >important functions in the top row,you must do a > lot > >with more loops triggering,no? but where is your > >record button? > > Well, that's a special bank just for going between > loops very rapidly. > In that case I have the edp set up so I can (for > instance) play a 5 > note bass line while pressing the buttons along the > bottom row, > and end up with each bass note assigned to a > different switch. > > mostly I use:- > top row > 6- Insert > 7- Reverse > 8- HSp > 9- Subst > 10 -Mute > bottom row > 1- rec > 2- overdub > 3- mult > 4 - Undo > 5- Nextloop > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 12:29:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67E523BEF1; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 12:29:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=0ptet3g/EoX3YCk8n3xpoZKnTPA5Znbl1dWzt/MLatSo0jdwC8vjosq5Mb+hv+pupnfIBYrYU9BEmjdud7WTWUhE2ibKtfqtWXRWwGAPqY9WuhU+NOerw9/ZCFu7sa8pknoRg69C+Xz+dja5DaV4Htd9o2WVkRGMeWLdiQczlsM= ; Message-ID: <014f01c5b927$e13f43d0$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <20050914115254.71959.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Re:Re: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:28:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 12:29:08 +0000 (UTC) Why not use 1/2 speed? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luis Angulo" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 1:52 PM Subject: Re:Re: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly > Andy i have the same config good to hear that! but > that is an brilliant idea,build an ostinato bass line > while changing harmonies with the different loops,now > i want to find a little (non synth) effect that will > turn my guitar into a bass,what do u use? > > > --- a k butler wrote: > >> >> >Andy is interesting that you program the most >> >important functions in the top row,you must do a >> lot >> >with more loops triggering,no? but where is your >> >record button? >> >> Well, that's a special bank just for going between >> loops very rapidly. >> In that case I have the edp set up so I can (for >> instance) play a 5 >> note bass line while pressing the buttons along the >> bottom row, >> and end up with each bass note assigned to a >> different switch. >> >> mostly I use:- >> top row >> 6- Insert >> 7- Reverse >> 8- HSp >> 9- Subst >> 10 -Mute >> bottom row >> 1- rec >> 2- overdub >> 3- mult >> 4 - Undo >> 5- Nextloop >> >> > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 12:34:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C67E3BEF7; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 12:34:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=V4i8si39AC5mo5X1X92JJuI30pF6MAn8+PdgGCQwWHnEZii73WfW5FeBkg22VBLVFg9KC1k35q4K0gSUP+oAoDOMq8BQ40OwhBvdZLq1UpsBLsO/TOIb4kocFf15Cn/CvhPWqskCwnruZSNo0V3ZeSRKB+JyLwjxs9MqVhAlSyw= Message-ID: <353e2ed805091405346582cafc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:34:09 +0100 From: David Morton Reply-To: dmorton@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly In-Reply-To: <20050914115254.71959.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <6.2.3.4.0.20050914072709.02dcf7f0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> <20050914115254.71959.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 12:34:11 +0000 (UTC) On 9/14/05, Luis Angulo wrote: > i want to find a little (non synth) effect that will > turn my guitar into a bass,what do u use? Have you looked at the EHX POG? It's VERY good. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 13:19:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 058EB3BEF7; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:19:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <20050914115254.71959.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050914115254.71959.qmail@web52801.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <96AA5D5A-3530-4991-B055-D3EC1C2DF605@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:19:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:19:04 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 14, 2005, at 13:52, Luis Angulo wrote: > i want to find a little (non synth) effect that will > turn my guitar into a bass,what do u use? I've heard the POG is one of the best. I was shopping for one but no retailers imported them to Sweden after they had been released. So I picked up a TC FireworX instead, on a store blow out. It gives a good one or two octaves down transpose. But the coolest bass trick IMO is to play in EDP's halfspeed and use normal speed to substitute notes that will become a great bass sound when going back to half speed. Why play music that just sounds like a guy playing music if you can do it different? ;-) / per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 14:28:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABD193BEF9; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:28:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <20050913221429.45949.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050913221429.45949.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-224512299 Message-Id: <457acf78582d2209441a3d5019e9d0f8@bartholomusic.com> From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 09:28:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 66.226.64.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:28:03 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-224512299 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed aaahhhhh somebody loves me yeah the uneasiness freaks me out. last night in 1 song, the mute=20 button doubled up. ie, it cont playing after my big grand final chord=20 gesture. god i hated it. the next time, it fired another function=20 entirely. after that, i didnt use it. i got up, went to my 1010 and=20 used that. inconvenient but sure. i havent tried cleaning it yet though, as kim advised me. ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 13, 2005, at 5:14 PM, Luis Angulo wrote: > Don=B4t feel bad Adrian i am as well guilty for putting > down the EFC-7,i change those switches god knows how > many times and it always made me uneasy onstage,i even > started hating the EDP for it.Since i got rid of it > and got a fcb1010 i love life and the EDP! > The fcb1010 has a learning curve but with patient > anybody can learn it and it will turn your basic EDP > into a loop giant! > And by the time the fcb1010 buttons go bad you=B4ll be > in a psychatric clinic for EFC-7phobia! > Luis > > --- Adrian Bartholomew > wrote: > >> From: Adrian Bartholomew >> Date: September 13, 2005 11:22:41 AM CDT >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? >> >> kim, u sound like i did when i did >> marketing/advertising. >> >> the client would outline their market target >> audience and also, like u, >> through statistics, provided by 3rd party companies, >> i had to pinpoint >> who they were by their race, socio-economic strata, >> age, sex and >> musical tastes (i also did jingles or commissioned >> them out). >> >> if the marketing didnt work, what then? >> >> do i challenge the advertiser to enlighten me with a >> better idea based >> on a sarcastically appointed imaginary marketing >> degree i suddenly >> hinted that they might have? that wouldve >> been....bad. jobwise and >> karmawise. >> do i blame the public for not "getting it"? >> tempting, especially after >> all the working hrs, love, sweat, sleepless nights, >> attention to detail >> and scientific "facts" presented in the project. >> sometimes i was stubborn too. >> >> but no. >> >> all we can do is recall the vehicle and try >> something else based upon >> new information eg. data from questionaires given to >> random groups >> within the target market in a controlled >> environment. >> >> because THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT. >> >> now i do also have quite a lot of engineering >> experience so i >> completely understand u and ur company's reasoning >> behind the design of >> the footpedal. i, however, believe that a lot of ur >> customers would >> prefer, and indeed even pay more, for a product that >> didnt go bad so >> relatively quickly (WITHOUT SELF SERVICING) even >> though it could be >> fixed easily. the moment onstage is gone. >> try building a powered, midi controller with >> switches based on >> different technology for more money and see which >> sells more. designed >> BY gibson. that would be awesome. >> im not alone in this. how many of ur beloved EDP >> users have complained >> about ur footpedal. >> come on kim. they're EDP USERS. how many others want >> it and cant afford >> it. ur users are already in the category of, "im >> buying it cause its >> the best, not because its cheap". >> >> i dont quite swallow the... faultyness of all >> switches used on a >> regular basis... theory. we all use many switches in >> our lives that >> never fail, though some do. i have keyboards that >> are as good today as >> they ever were. every key on the keyboard is a >> switch isnt it? what >> about the program buttons. they too are switches. >> the keys on my >> computers never went bad. laptop or desktop. the >> lightswitches in my >> house. my gtr pedals, volume sustain for my >> keyboard. NEVER. i know >> others may have different experiences but i could >> safely say that lots >> of folk never had problems with any of these above >> switches. >> reliability is in the hands of the beholder not just >> in engineering >> calculations. >> i will try to clean my edp footpedal switches. >> thanks for the tip. im >> comfortable with electronics. but i guarantee u >> this. no matter HOW >> easy it may be for me ...and u...and others like us, >> most of ur >> customers will never be comfortable opening up an >> electronic device. >> they dont want to have to. >> >> ___ >> Adrian Bartholomew >> Leawood KS > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > --Apple-Mail-1-224512299 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 aaahhhhh somebody loves me yeah the uneasiness freaks me out. last night in 1 song, the mute button doubled up. ie, it cont playing after my big grand final chord gesture. god i hated it. the next time, it fired another function entirely. after that, i didnt use it. i got up, went to my 1010 and used that. inconvenient but sure. i havent tried cleaning it yet though, as kim advised me. ___7979,0404,0909 Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 13, 2005, at 5:14 PM, Luis Angulo wrote: Don=B4t feel bad Adrian i am as well guilty for putting down the EFC-7,i change those switches god knows how many times and it always made me uneasy onstage,i even started hating the EDP for it.Since i got rid of it and got a fcb1010 i love life and the EDP! The fcb1010 has a learning curve but with patient anybody can learn it and it will turn your basic EDP into a loop giant! And by the time the fcb1010 buttons go bad you=B4ll be in a psychatric clinic for EFC-7phobia! Luis --- Adrian Bartholomew < wrote: From: Adrian Bartholomew < Date: September 13, 2005 11:22:41 AM CDT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? kim, u sound like i did when i did marketing/advertising. the client would outline their market target audience and also, like u,=20 through statistics, provided by 3rd party companies, i had to pinpoint=20 who they were by their race, socio-economic strata, age, sex and=20 musical tastes (i also did jingles or commissioned them out). if the marketing didnt work, what then? do i challenge the advertiser to enlighten me with a better idea based=20 on a sarcastically appointed imaginary marketing degree i suddenly=20 hinted that they might have? that wouldve been....bad. jobwise and=20 karmawise. do i blame the public for not "getting it"? tempting, especially after=20 all the working hrs, love, sweat, sleepless nights, attention to detail=20 and scientific "facts" presented in the project. sometimes i was stubborn too. but no. all we can do is recall the vehicle and try something else based upon=20 new information eg. data from questionaires given to random groups=20 within the target market in a controlled environment. because THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT. now i do also have quite a lot of engineering experience so i=20 completely understand u and ur company's reasoning behind the design of=20 the footpedal. i, however, believe that a lot of ur customers would=20 prefer, and indeed even pay more, for a product that didnt go bad so=20 relatively quickly (WITHOUT SELF SERVICING) even though it could be=20 fixed easily. the moment onstage is gone. try building a powered, midi controller with switches based on=20 different technology for more money and see which sells more. designed=20 BY gibson. that would be awesome. im not alone in this. how many of ur beloved EDP users have complained=20 about ur footpedal. come on kim. they're EDP USERS. how many others want it and cant afford=20 it. ur users are already in the category of, "im buying it cause its=20 the best, not because its cheap". i dont quite swallow the... faultyness of all switches used on a=20 regular basis... theory. we all use many switches in our lives that=20 never fail, though some do. i have keyboards that are as good today as=20 they ever were. every key on the keyboard is a switch isnt it? what=20 about the program buttons. they too are switches. the keys on my=20 computers never went bad. laptop or desktop. the lightswitches in my=20 house. my gtr pedals, volume sustain for my keyboard. NEVER. i know=20 others may have different experiences but i could safely say that lots=20 of folk never had problems with any of these above switches. reliability is in the hands of the beholder not just in engineering=20 calculations. i will try to clean my edp footpedal switches. thanks for the tip. im=20 comfortable with electronics. but i guarantee u this. no matter HOW=20 easy it may be for me ...and u...and others like us, most of ur=20 customers will never be comfortable opening up an electronic device.=20 they dont want to have to. ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 = --Apple-Mail-1-224512299-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 14:30:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F6553BF11; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:30:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=lJAdGkN5MI3K/3noVL+5ulbeVusnxQYRCZGxyt4hm9wXYuRxigT4tpUhCqJ8T6ay; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220059314143414520@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT: Maxon Phaser? Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:34:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940173ae53d809319838e832ba4382b9891350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.147.111 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:30:36 +0000 (UTC) The cheap Arion phaser makes a good underwater sound ;-) ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Jeff Shirkey > To: > Date: 9/13/2005 8:28:13 PM > Subject: OT: Maxon Phaser? > > I'm looking for a good phaser. I was curious if anyone had any > recommendations. One that I'm looking closely at is the Maxon PH-350. > I don't suppose anyone has one lying around they could part with? If > so, give me a shout. > > Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 14:40:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4493C3BF19; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:40:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:38:49 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1F4190D1-E29E-4BC7-9EA9-AA9F4231F7FD@boysen.se> X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:31:26 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.110.54 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:40:00 +0000 (UTC) > Just want to add to my previous post that you might want to get at > those LOOP4 direct midi functions. I can't see how the FCB-7 can do > that even by setting up dedicated EDP programs, so you will need > something that sends MIDI note numbers. maybe this could also be done using the small external midi controller, an LV1 or something ... can it? -michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 15:27:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23C253BF0D; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:27:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=HSh71xDGab696gfs5qInp3UPWljpXtaWLILGBXafxY8LsxAvWgyMir0Se37L55r7SDMDt7P23N9NMlwYRXfggu5DEZplKZ0B7mowGzCM+m2GPhBw4oSkgOeWwneL9b8bqaJ6EkrsUmjkZuXWFeByvVYUuV5DKRuRLbqMDJeAJm0= ; Message-ID: <20050914152706.64909.qmail@web52411.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 08:27:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Guy Joyce Subject: Re:Re: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:27:06 +0000 (UTC) I find that a Boss OC3 produces a nice fat but 'airy' non-synth bass sound. It's cheaper than a POG, but doesn't do +Octaves. >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >From: Luis Angulo >Subject: Re:Re: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly >Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 04:52:54 -0700 (PDT) > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Andy i have the same config good to hear that! but >that is an brilliant idea,build an ostinato bass line >while changing harmonies with the different loops,now >i want to find a little (non synth) effect that will >turn my guitar into a bass,what do u use? __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 16:04:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 262E23BF05; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:04:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:08:52 +0200 Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? From: Andreas Willers To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:04:24 +0000 (UTC) I am using a Kenton Spin Doctor mid control unit, phantom powered out my EDP (via the midi cable) in tandem with my miniaturized (reduced size) EDp footcontroller. Works like a charm (for me). Andreas > Von: "Michael Peters" > Antworten an: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Datum: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:38:49 +0200 > An: > Betreff: RE: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? > Neu gesendet von: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Neu gesendet am: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:39:59 +0000 (UTC) > >> Just want to add to my previous post that you might want to get at >> those LOOP4 direct midi functions. I can't see how the FCB-7 can do >> that even by setting up dedicated EDP programs, so you will need >> something that sends MIDI note numbers. > > maybe this could also be done using the small external midi controller, an > LV1 or something ... can it? > > -michael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 16:12:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E25203BF12; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:12:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5B946.BB13682C" Subject: RE: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 12:09:48 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? Thread-Index: AcW5A6EAU4JvkwWXTfyWgzN+q0ZAcgAQP/QA From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2005 16:09:49.0458 (UTC) FILETIME=[BB812720:01C5B946] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:12:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5B946.BB13682C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been watching this dialogue for awhile and find myself wondering if I should do as I've intended - return the FCB-1010 I bought 3 weeks ago, for money back.=20 I've had enough experience programming controllers to be undaunted by the arcane language of the manual. I was unable to use the editing software I got from the Yahoo FCB-1010 support group (frankly I don't recall at the moment why it did not work, but no matter for now), but was able to decipher the manual and get the switches working. The problem is the pedals - they don't work at all. I tried the calibration routine as described in the manual several times, to no avail. My MIDI interface registers no MIDI signal from either pedal; it DOES recognize switch operations. Given the conflicting comments about the reliability of the FCB-1010, I was considering this evidence that I should stay away from an unreliable bit of kit... hence the decision to take it back to Guitar Center. I have a Rocktron MIDIMate and a PC-1600x that provide the same functions, albeit a bit more awkwardly since only the PC1600x sends note on, and the buttons and sliders are small. still, that is working in the studio. Live is maybe another matter, so i want to be sure it makes sense to ditch the FCB-1010. Given what I just described, is it a sure bet that the pedals are DOA, or is there something about the calibration routine I ought to try one more time? Is the lack of any MIDI output an indication that the pedals are DOA? Any advice on this specific point would be most welcome. General comments on the pros and cons of the FCB-1010 are readily available, and I'll keep them in mind of course. Hal Dean ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5B946.BB13682C Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ?

I've been watching this dialogue for awhile and find myself = wondering if I should do as I've intended - return the FCB-1010 I bought = 3 weeks ago, for money back.

I've had enough experience programming controllers to be = undaunted by the arcane language of the manual. I was unable to use the = editing software I got from the Yahoo FCB-1010 support group (frankly I = don't recall at the moment why it did not work, but no matter for now), = but was able to decipher the manual and get the switches working.  = The problem is the pedals - they don't work at all.

I = tried the calibration routine as described in the manual several times, = to no avail. My MIDI interface registers no MIDI signal from either = pedal; it DOES recognize switch operations.

Given the conflicting comments about the reliability of the = FCB-1010, I was considering this evidence that I should stay away from = an unreliable bit of kit... hence the decision to take it back to Guitar = Center. I have a Rocktron MIDIMate and a PC-1600x that provide the same = functions, albeit a bit more awkwardly since only the PC1600x sends note = on, and the buttons and sliders are small.  still, that is working = in the studio. Live is maybe another matter, so i want to be sure it = makes sense to ditch the FCB-1010.

Given what I just described, is it a sure bet that the pedals = are DOA, or is there something about the calibration routine I ought to = try one more time? Is the lack of any MIDI output an indication that the = pedals are DOA?

Any advice on this specific point would be most welcome. = General comments on the pros and cons of the FCB-1010 are readily = available, and I'll keep them in mind of course.

Hal Dean

------_=_NextPart_001_01C5B946.BB13682C-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 16:15:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DB693BF13; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:15:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,110,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="1380242519:sNHT13649132" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8B7E3CDA-144D-46E0-B47D-72E4102BCCAC@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Coffin Subject: Selling my EDP Pro Plus; ver IV+Footswitch Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 09:15:00 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:15:03 +0000 (UTC) Gotta do it; anybody interested? Blackface; spotless... (pedal is beige) What=92re these going for these days anyway? Thanks, dc= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 16:19:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D46143BF18; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:19:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tE672zBGtfc8CPPpYmDxLH8889EXeFGenWm2H71zY10OjNmmgfp57ZK0LBbAi24Y0nj1TwvBziRrU5wp7t+BW+YB2xGf7Fq/f29nNaS+JDJo3OKVvq8xREaeNAo1pnBSlE1pgleJyd0HdWLKc9829gwgWDaJ0nZFvgeunVoAzik= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 09:19:19 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: travishartnett@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Selling my EDP Pro Plus; ver IV+Footswitch In-Reply-To: <8B7E3CDA-144D-46E0-B47D-72E4102BCCAC@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <8B7E3CDA-144D-46E0-B47D-72E4102BCCAC@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:19:21 +0000 (UTC) They go for about $250, and I can have the money to you tomorrow. TH On 9/14/05, David Coffin wrote: > Gotta do it; anybody interested? Blackface; spotless... (pedal is beige) > What're these going for these days anyway? > Thanks, > dc > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 16:34:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11F9B3BF18; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:34:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:34:11 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43285103.6050207@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:34:21 +0000 (UTC) Dean, Hal wrote: > I've had enough experience programming controllers to be undaunted by > the arcane language of the manual. I was unable to use the editing > software I got from the Yahoo FCB-1010 support group (frankly I don't > recall at the moment why it did not work, but no matter for now), but > was able to decipher the manual and get the switches working. The > problem is the pedals - they don't work at all. Did you program the pedals as described in section 2.4.5? From what I remember calibration isn't enough, you have to explicitly assign the desired CC numbers. These assignments are not global, you have to duplicate them in *every* preset. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 16:37:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D8413BF1F; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:37:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 12:35:12 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? Thread-Index: AcW5SeBi98eemg1sSWSGPfeRKzDA/wAACrVw From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2005 16:35:12.0515 (UTC) FILETIME=[47513530:01C5B94A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:37:23 +0000 (UTC) I'm pretty sure I did... seems obvious. But I'll check of course, thanks for the suggestion. Hal Dean -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Larson [mailto:Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM]=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 12:34 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? Dean, Hal wrote: > I've had enough experience programming controllers to be undaunted by > the arcane language of the manual. I was unable to use the editing=20 > software I got from the Yahoo FCB-1010 support group (frankly I don't=20 > recall at the moment why it did not work, but no matter for now), but=20 > was able to decipher the manual and get the switches working. The=20 > problem is the pedals - they don't work at all. Did you program the pedals as described in section 2.4.5? From what I remember calibration isn't enough, you have to explicitly assign the desired CC numbers. These assignments are not global, you have to duplicate them in *every* preset. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 16:45:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83ACC3BF0D; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:45:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [62.255.52.215] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth.whitcock" To: References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8871@lon-oxmail02> Subject: Re: BBC Documentary Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:44:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0091_01C5B953.E8243BC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <2rpMcB.A.PVF.6OFKDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:45:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C5B953.E8243BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: BBC DocumentaryI'd be intersted in getting a copy - any chance? Gareth ----- Original Message -----=20 From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 5:22 PM Subject: RE: BBC Documentary contact me off-list if you'd like a dvd of this radiophonics docco.=20 duncan.=20 = *************************************************************************= ** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may=20 not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. 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 ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01C5B953.E8243BC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 16:50:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E75683BF23; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:50:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=iSsMQGKtEFsSepv0eS+zLUkLhtnB6c48qlmg8NyN9SwoCMOCz1HwGKm6SQlGnVT4JlESD+G1yp0W5C5ltDpnONJMQDSUoWmjN7cgXYqp8b+D+cp7G43APaCr9aG+udGfO2zcWqQQ9dP6vlO3mP0msWLsd0J4aByuDQACJBm8Aw4= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 09:49:59 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: travishartnett@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Selling my EDP Pro Plus; ver IV+Footswitch In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <8B7E3CDA-144D-46E0-B47D-72E4102BCCAC@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:50:01 +0000 (UTC) In all seriousness they seem to be going for something north of $800 these = days. On 9/14/05, Travis Hartnett wrote: > They go for about $250, and I can have the money to you tomorrow. >=20 > TH >=20 > On 9/14/05, David Coffin wrote: > > Gotta do it; anybody interested? Blackface; spotless... (pedal is beige= ) > > What're these going for these days anyway? > > Thanks, > > dc > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 16:50:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0D533BF27; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:50:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:50:22 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <432854CE.2050206@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:50:27 +0000 (UTC) Michael Peters wrote: >>Just want to add to my previous post that you might want to get at >>those LOOP4 direct midi functions. I can't see how the FCB-7 can do >>that even by setting up dedicated EDP programs, so you will need >>something that sends MIDI note numbers. > > > maybe this could also be done using the small external midi controller, an > LV1 or something ... can it? If you're willing to use your hands, I like the M-Audio Trigger Finger. http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/TriggerFinger-main.html It's about 10 inches square and has a threaded socket underneath so you can attach it to a stand. You get 16 touch sensitive pads that can be used to invoke functions as well as trigger loops with velocity sensitivity. There are also 8 rotary controllers and 4 sliders which you could use for EDP volume and feedback. It has "banks" so you can access every DirectMIDI function on the EDP. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 16:53:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 242193BF21; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:53:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,110,1125874800"; d="scan'208"; a="15977493:sNHT279727105" Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050914164747.02db3eb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:57:26 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re:Re: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly In-Reply-To: <20050914142804.5EB503BF0C@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050914142804.5EB503BF0C@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:53:02 +0000 (UTC) >,now >i want to find a little (non synth) effect that will >turn my guitar into a bass,what do u use? I use guitar, and think "bass". Just using bass type fingerstyle, or muting slightly with the palm and plucking with the thumb. ...and only playing the lowest notes on the guitar. andy butler www.andybutler.com "don't just read about it, get the cd and hear for yourself" :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 16:58:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06DD43BF0F; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:58:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=sRO/IRBJCMSgA5ukdUyNS03NucggFmdNDZSxzCPn3BHmLR3TP8nYRLVAwJbphyKKyUxXk47a3iS/bBD964KF1pVp/mSvo8pTNOWa+gsHmvawd7j31n6pzuAj/obxMkafdf9OuxVXqZPrn3IMmaqLoEBKrH2nAq0uDUqDbfq9aWA= ; Message-ID: <20050914165822.92247.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 09:58:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <96AA5D5A-3530-4991-B055-D3EC1C2DF605@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:58:22 +0000 (UTC) Per i was checking out the samples you posted of the sofware guitar effects and i was impressed with the pitch shift quality of the fireworx,but i wish i could affort it;-(i havent been able to find a decent Pitch shifter pedal,ive heard of the new boss one although i have yet to try it. can you give me a link to this POG? thanx cheers Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > On Sep 14, 2005, at 13:52, Luis Angulo wrote: > > > i want to find a little (non synth) effect that > will > > turn my guitar into a bass,what do u use? > > I've heard the POG is one of the best. I was > shopping for one but no > retailers imported them to Sweden after they had > been released. So I > picked up a TC FireworX instead, on a store blow > out. It gives a good > one or two octaves down transpose. But the coolest > bass trick IMO is > to play in EDP's halfspeed and use normal speed to > substitute notes > that will become a great bass sound when going back > to half speed. > Why play music that just sounds like a guy playing > music if you can > do it different? ;-) > > / per > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 17:02:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16C693BF1C; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:02:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=SJCMHX9AOP6frv9aKimHoyuejO7exrXmVUZ3hs8Rml5ADOlE/K/c5UOS60tXmWtdjL9/L1SZZLlYaNrqfE8SSwyaqcfMgfa/wMbeaYH0cgNfS2ncrXs5q0+VY8yASt+9HCawcm8MPVMMcv+LwvWDUCPdR02IcXbQ8IUZOQbs2z8= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:02:07 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: travishartnett@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly In-Reply-To: <20050914165822.92247.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <96AA5D5A-3530-4991-B055-D3EC1C2DF605@boysen.se> <20050914165822.92247.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:02:09 +0000 (UTC) POG info: http://www.ehx.com/ehx2/Default.asp?q=3Df&f=3D%2FCatalog%2F01%5FNew%5FProdu= cts%2F15%5FThe%5FPog On 9/14/05, Luis Angulo wrote: > Per i was checking out the samples you posted of the > sofware guitar effects and i was impressed with the > pitch shift quality of the fireworx,but i wish i could > affort it;-(i havent been able to find a decent Pitch > shifter pedal,ive heard of the new boss one although i > have yet to try it. > can you give me a link to this POG? > thanx > cheers > Luis >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- Per Boysen wrote: >=20 > > On Sep 14, 2005, at 13:52, Luis Angulo wrote: > > > > > i want to find a little (non synth) effect that > > will > > > turn my guitar into a bass,what do u use? > > > > I've heard the POG is one of the best. I was > > shopping for one but no > > retailers imported them to Sweden after they had > > been released. So I > > picked up a TC FireworX instead, on a store blow > > out. It gives a good > > one or two octaves down transpose. But the coolest > > bass trick IMO is > > to play in EDP's halfspeed and use normal speed to > > substitute notes > > that will become a great bass sound when going back > > to half speed. > > Why play music that just sounds like a guy playing > > music if you can > > do it different? ;-) > > > > / per > > > > >=20 >=20 > www.luis-angulo.com >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 17:02:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3081A3BF27; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:02:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=h0aE12faCXnqtNQDGj8wHG+z58Yax8+m2hz984icNTgrVV3omKHb+X2gvUYZjaOtVJdxZTWwvcnpv3FU5dxGhCh3FQFd06T6LXfwmVNTZWGqlxGaG53axKfnX45IL+W1SXUIWWO0o1+pH2VAzRksUv7eaZ+mcIKit7Y+4WtkUjo= ; Message-ID: <20050914170255.58486.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:02:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re:Re:Re: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20050914164747.02db3eb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5VVbHD.A.Y6G.AfFKDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:02:57 +0000 (UTC) Andy, love your new tunes mate,are you into swaping CDs? I am in Deutschland so it wont take us long! cheers Luis --- a k butler wrote: > > >,now > >i want to find a little (non synth) effect that > will > >turn my guitar into a bass,what do u use? > > I use guitar, and think "bass". > Just using bass type fingerstyle, > or muting slightly with the palm and > plucking with the thumb. > ...and only playing the lowest notes on the guitar. > > > andy butler > www.andybutler.com > "don't just read about it, get the cd and hear for > yourself" :-) > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 17:14:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 270F83BF22; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:14:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopersdelight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=D5AdpTCC8uRJHEXANXMVs5Iedh5PorWZiqQjOr2kuWlDvhEDy0lG82s60DrE/2O1uICAduL/Rhq/cGZ5C0l0iqbsIP9b89zIFPgqD4MrItP+kxB4ROuZKWMn4tOY9JZUuH7pXZ+sNjs4Acm2af9zhxjTG1yE+Nl7evnvbWztD38= ; Message-ID: <20050914171413.6286.qmail@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:14:13 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: that one guy To: Loopers-Delight@loopersdelight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-696854487-1126718053=:4115" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:14:16 +0000 (UTC) --0-696854487-1126718053=:4115 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit anybody ever checked out "that one guy"at www.thatoneguy.com ?pretty avant weird stuff he gots goin there... deesayveesoniod(incognito) --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-696854487-1126718053=:4115 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-696854487-1126718053=:4115-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 17:32:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDFF43BF0D; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:32:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:35:45 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: that one guy In-Reply-To: <20050914171413.6286.qmail@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20050914171413.6286.qmail@web32508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:32:57 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, 14 Sep 2005, daniel stevenson wrote: > anybody ever checked out "that one guy"at www.thatoneguy.com ?pretty avant weird stuff he gots goin there... Saw him play about two years ago, he was touring with Drums and Tuba (who also used loopers - Line 6 DL4s, if I recall). Great live, CD ok, in my opinion. Worth checking out live if he ever comes where you can see him, definitely a fun show. Drums and Tuba ( http://www.drumsandtuba.com/ ) were great live as well, and I like their CD _Vinyl Killer_. best, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ Fukadugalon http://www.fukadugalon.com/ etc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 17:43:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 950AC3BF2E; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:43:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050914103508.04c137b8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:43:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly In-Reply-To: <20050913222113.42702.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> References: <02438c33c1b4143638397e7a336e7fc7@bartholomusic.com> <20050913222113.42702.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:43:48 +0000 (UTC) At 03:21 PM 9/13/2005, Luis Angulo wrote: >i wonder if it will work having Quant=on then i can >jump between differnt arrangements...? Luis- Use the SwitchQuant parameter to quantize switching between loops. There are several options for it to jump immediately, at the next cycle point, at the loop end, plus the "confirm" modes. The SamplerStyle parameter lets you determine if the loop starts at the beginning and keeps going, starts where you left it and keeps going, triggers and plays one time, or plays as long as you hold the note and stops when you let go. And the Velocity parameter lets you have the loops be velocity sensitive, so their volume is set by how hard you hit the note. (assuming your controller is velocity sensitive. that's usually not the case with midi pedals.) Take a look at the manual for more details. have fun, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 17:54:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8946A3BF33; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:54:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3912647C-1DB5-44AB-B21F-063A997F42D4@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:54:22 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:54:27 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 14, 2005, at 18:09, Dean, Hal wrote: > I've been watching this dialogue for awhile and find myself > wondering if I should do as I've intended - return the FCB-1010 I > bought 3 weeks ago, for money back. Or you could return it for a new one, that is not defect. Exactly the problem you describe happened to a friend of mine. He brought his FCB over to my place and we did all kind of trouble shooting, comparing it to my excellent FCB. No doubt his two expression pedals did not work at all. No MIDI sent. Mine is fine though, I have had it for almost four years with no problems except for needing to be calibrated now and then. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 17:58:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 683463BF2E; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:58:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:56:15 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? Thread-Index: AcW5VRIPMbuDYV+5RLOk641IibPoMQAACA2A From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2005 17:56:15.0938 (UTC) FILETIME=[9A24AA20:01C5B955] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:58:27 +0000 (UTC) Per- Yes, that is an option I didn't mention but was considering. Hearing of your friend's experience is oddly heartening. Here is a basic question - assuming that a CC number has been assigned properly, would the pedal send MIDI even if not calibrated?=20 Hal L. Dean , AIA, LEED Project Manager Facilities Planning West Chester University 610-436-2519 -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se]=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 1:54 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? On Sep 14, 2005, at 18:09, Dean, Hal wrote: > I've been watching this dialogue for awhile and find myself > wondering if I should do as I've intended - return the FCB-1010 I =20 > bought 3 weeks ago, for money back. Or you could return it for a new one, that is not defect. Exactly the =20 problem you describe happened to a friend of mine. He brought his =20 FCB over to my place and we did all kind of trouble shooting, =20 comparing it to my excellent FCB. No doubt his two expression pedals =20 did not work at all. No MIDI sent. Mine is fine though, I have had it =20 for almost four years with no problems except for needing to be =20 calibrated now and then. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 17:59:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9DEF3BF38; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:59:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:59:11 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:59:14 +0000 (UTC) >> Just want to add to my previous post that you might want to get at >> those LOOP4 direct midi functions. I can't see how the FCB-7 can do >> that even by setting up dedicated EDP programs, so you will need >> something that sends MIDI note numbers. >> > On Sep 14, 2005, at 16:38, Michael Peters wrote: > maybe this could also be done using the small external midi > controller, an > LV1 or something ... can it? > > -michael All the Faderfox controllers have pre defined MIDI messages for every button/knob/fader. You will have to match the EDP by setting the "Source#" offset and MIDI channel. And you will not be able to address much EDP functions with all that Faderfox control power ;-) But they are great for anything that has a MIDI learn functionality. http://www.faderfox.de/Faderfox-Homepage_english/faderfox- homepage_english.html Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 18:03:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 860EF3BF3B; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:03:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:03:33 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:03:37 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 14, 2005, at 18:08, Andreas Willers wrote: > I am using a Kenton Spin Doctor mid control unit, phantom powered > out my EDP > (via the midi cable) in tandem with my miniaturized (reduced size) EDp > footcontroller. Works like a charm (for me). > > Andreas http://www.kentonuk.com/products/spindoctor.shtml Wow! The Spin Doctor rocks! What a usable little box! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 18:13:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44C123BF3E; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:13:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <20050914165822.92247.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050914165822.92247.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:13:17 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:13:22 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 14, 2005, at 18:58, Luis Angulo wrote: > > can you give me a link to this POG? http://www.ehx.com/ehx2/Default.asp?q=f&f=%2FCatalog%2F01%5FNew% 5FProducts%2F15%5FThe%5FPog Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 18:16:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03DB03BF43; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:16:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8A9DA128-224B-494B-8AE2-5A950B38EAE9@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:16:26 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:16:31 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 14, 2005, at 19:56, Dean, Hal wrote: > Per- Yes, that is an option I didn't mention but was considering. > Hearing of your friend's experience is oddly heartening. Here is a > basic > question - assuming that a CC number has been assigned properly, would > the pedal send MIDI even if not calibrated? Yes, but not the full spectrum of parameter values. At least mine behaved that way - I'm not a tech gear specialist ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 18:18:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B3AE3BF51; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:18:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.54.175.206] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "jondrums" To: References: <432854CE.2050206@sun.com> Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:18:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2005 18:18:04.0988 (UTC) FILETIME=[A665D7C0:01C5B958] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:18:09 +0000 (UTC) > If you're willing to use your hands, I like the M-Audio Trigger Finger. > > http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/TriggerFinger-main.html > Jeff - WOW!!! thanks for posting this - I've been out of the loop technology wise and this thing looks perfect for drummers. One question, do you think I could hit the pads with drum sticks without breaking it? Does it have reasonable midi features for controlling an EDP or Repeater with the 16 pads? Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 18:24:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1D033BF54; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:24:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:22:16 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? Thread-Index: AcW5WCevJuGM3rcYSvuR0SXi2P64TgAAP4JA From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2005 18:22:17.0055 (UTC) FILETIME=[3CA436F0:01C5B959] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:24:28 +0000 (UTC) OK, thanks, that helps with tonight's diagnostic session! Hal Dean=20 -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se]=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 2:16 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? On Sep 14, 2005, at 19:56, Dean, Hal wrote: > Per- Yes, that is an option I didn't mention but was considering.=20 > Hearing of your friend's experience is oddly heartening. Here is a > basic > question - assuming that a CC number has been assigned properly, would > the pedal send MIDI even if not calibrated? Yes, but not the full spectrum of parameter values. At least mine =20 behaved that way - I'm not a tech gear specialist ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 18:24:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A2533BF62; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:24:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: M-Audio Trigger Finger (was EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010) Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:24:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcW5WKssD6nDyYtERR+PoolgsejWJgAALbPw Message-Id: <20050914182428.UFHV17436.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <0j4zS.A.YoE.frGKDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:24:32 +0000 (UTC) Well, let's take a look (loop?) http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=support.manuals Gary -----Original Message----- From: jondrums [mailto:jondrums@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 11:18 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? > If you're willing to use your hands, I like the M-Audio Trigger Finger. > > http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/TriggerFinger-main.html > Jeff - WOW!!! thanks for posting this - I've been out of the loop technology wise and this thing looks perfect for drummers. One question, do you think I could hit the pads with drum sticks without breaking it? Does it have reasonable midi features for controlling an EDP or Repeater with the 16 pads? Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 18:26:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98EDA3BF5E; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:26:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.54.229.220] X-Originating-Email: [blackface@hotmail.co.uk] X-Sender: blackface@hotmail.co.uk In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20050914164747.02db3eb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> From: "phill wilson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:Re:Re: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:26:19 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2005 18:26:19.0635 (UTC) FILETIME=[CD3AFC30:01C5B959] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:26:22 +0000 (UTC) >>,now >>i want to find a little (non synth) effect that will >>turn my guitar into a bass,what do u use? try the Boss OC-3, I got one a month ago and it has exceeded all my expectations for its usefullness. there is a poly mode which tracks mustiple notes (not mono like most) it simply dosnt glitch as all and with the blend turned right up will track all the way up to the 12th fret. but even better then this with the blend turned halfish way you get all the bass notes on the top two strings of the guitar up to about the 8th fret plus normal un-octaved notes for the rest of the guitar, this way you can pick out normal guitar bits on the higher strings whilst doing the bass line on the bottom two !! and its plenty loud enough, something the oc-2 failed in. seriously, for the money, this IS the bass solution for me. Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface) Free Downloads at www.download.com/therealblackface _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger 7.5 is now out. Download it for FREE here. http://messenger.msn.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 19:45:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 774A13BF4A; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:45:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-243543113 Message-Id: <3bd16b61f34540dc9328eee00de0d2cb@bartholomusic.com> From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:45:14 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 66.226.64.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:45:19 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-243543113 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed the same thing happened to me when i 1st got the 1010. i assume by "pedals", u r talking about the continuous controller=20 pedals on the 1010. i got no signal at all. i called them and he emailed me the directions for calibration (which=20 was in the manual i didnt read anyway) and it worked like a charm. are ur buttons working? ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 14, 2005, at 11:09 AM, Dean, Hal wrote: > I've been watching this dialogue for awhile and find myself wondering=20= > if I should do as I've intended - return the FCB-1010 I bought 3 weeks=20= > ago, for money back. > > I've had enough experience programming controllers to be undaunted by=20= > the arcane language of the manual. I was unable to use the editing=20 > software I got from the Yahoo FCB-1010 support group (frankly I don't=20= > recall at the moment why it did not work, but no matter for now), but=20= > was able to decipher the manual and get the switches working.=A0 The=20= > problem is the pedals - they don't work at all. > > I tried the calibration routine as described in the manual several=20 > times, to no avail. My MIDI interface registers no MIDI signal from=20 > either pedal; it DOES recognize switch operations. > > Given the conflicting comments about the reliability of the FCB-1010,=20= > I was considering this evidence that I should stay away from an=20 > unreliable bit of kit... hence the decision to take it back to Guitar=20= > Center. I have a Rocktron MIDIMate and a PC-1600x that provide the=20 > same functions, albeit a bit more awkwardly since only the PC1600x=20 > sends note on, and the buttons and sliders are small.=A0 still, that = is=20 > working in the studio. Live is maybe another matter, so i want to be=20= > sure it makes sense to ditch the FCB-1010. > > Given what I just described, is it a sure bet that the pedals are DOA,=20= > or is there something about the calibration routine I ought to try one=20= > more time? Is the lack of any MIDI output an indication that the=20 > pedals are DOA? > > Any advice on this specific point would be most welcome. General=20 > comments on the pros and cons of the FCB-1010 are readily available,=20= > and I'll keep them in mind of course. > > Hal Dean --Apple-Mail-1-243543113 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 the same thing happened to me when i 1st got the 1010. i assume by "pedals", u r talking about the continuous controller pedals on the 1010. i got no signal at all. i called them and he emailed me the directions for calibration (which was in the manual i didnt read anyway) and it worked like a charm. are ur buttons working? ___7979,0404,0909 Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 14, 2005, at 11:09 AM, Dean, Hal wrote: 0000,0000,FFFFI've been watching this dialogue for awhile and find myself wondering if I should do as I've intended - return the FCB-1010 I bought 3 weeks ago, for money = back. 0000,0000,FFFF I've had enough experience programming controllers to be undaunted by the arcane language of the manual. I was unable to use the editing software I got from the Yahoo FCB-1010 support group (frankly I don't recall at the moment why it did not work, but no matter for now), but was able to decipher the manual and get the switches working.=A0 The problem is the pedals - they don't work at all. 0000,0000,FFFFI tried the calibration routine as described in the manual several times, to no avail. My MIDI interface registers no MIDI signal from either pedal; it DOES recognize switch operations. 0000,0000,FFFFGiven the conflicting comments about the reliability of the FCB-1010, I was considering this evidence that I should stay away from an unreliable bit of kit... hence the decision to take it back to Guitar Center. I have a Rocktron MIDIMate and a PC-1600x that provide the same functions, albeit a bit more awkwardly since only the PC1600x sends note on, and the buttons and sliders are small.=A0 still, that is working in the studio. Live is maybe another matter, so i want to be sure it makes sense to ditch the FCB-1010. 0000,0000,FFFFGiven what I just described, is it a sure bet that the pedals are DOA, or is there something about the calibration routine I ought to try one more time? Is the lack of any MIDI output an indication that the pedals are DOA? 0000,0000,FFFFAny advice on this specific point would be most welcome. General comments on the pros and cons of the FCB-1010 are readily available, and I'll keep them in mind of = course. 0000,0000,FFFFHal Dean=20 = --Apple-Mail-1-243543113-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 19:45:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5468A3BF57; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:45:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <8B7E3CDA-144D-46E0-B47D-72E4102BCCAC@earthlink.net> References: <8B7E3CDA-144D-46E0-B47D-72E4102BCCAC@earthlink.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-243568134 Message-Id: From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: Selling my EDP Pro Plus; ver IV+Footswitch Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:45:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 66.226.64.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:45:31 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-243568134 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed how much? ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 14, 2005, at 11:15 AM, David Coffin wrote: > Gotta do it; anybody interested? Blackface; spotless... (pedal is=20 > beige) > What=92re these going for these days anyway? > Thanks, > dc > --Apple-Mail-2-243568134 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 how much? ___7979,0404,0909 Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 14, 2005, at 11:15 AM, David Coffin wrote: Gotta do it; anybody interested? Blackface; spotless... (pedal is beige) What=92re these going for these days anyway? Thanks, dc = --Apple-Mail-2-243568134-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 19:48:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A633C3BF57; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:48:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5B964.E9DF75C6" Subject: RE: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:45:52 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? Thread-Index: AcW5ZIrHt5lMErNeT2yMSyO7fXF7qAAADBlw From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2005 19:45:52.0674 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA2EF020:01C5B964] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:48:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5B964.E9DF75C6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, I'm talking about the cc pedals. The buttons work. I think I now have enough info from everyone to take another shot at this tonight. Thanks for the reply. =20 =20 Hal L. Dean , AIA, LEED Project Manager Facilities Planning West Chester University 610-436-2519 -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Bartholomew [mailto:adrian@bartholomusic.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 3:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? =09 =09 the same thing happened to me when i 1st got the 1010.=20 i assume by "pedals", u r talking about the continuous controller pedals on the 1010.=20 i got no signal at all.=20 i called them and he emailed me the directions for calibration (which was in the manual i didnt read anyway) and it worked like a charm.=20 are ur buttons working?=20 ___=20 Adrian Bartholomew=20 Leawood KS=20 On Sep 14, 2005, at 11:09 AM, Dean, Hal wrote:=20 I've been watching this dialogue for awhile and find myself wondering if I should do as I've intended - return the FCB-1010 I bought 3 weeks ago, for money back.=20 I've had enough experience programming controllers to be undaunted by the arcane language of the manual. I was unable to use the editing software I got from the Yahoo FCB-1010 support group (frankly I don't recall at the moment why it did not work, but no matter for now), but was able to decipher the manual and get the switches working. The problem is the pedals - they don't work at all.=20 I tried the calibration routine as described in the manual several times, to no avail. My MIDI interface registers no MIDI signal from either pedal; it DOES recognize switch operations.=20 Given the conflicting comments about the reliability of the FCB-1010, I was considering this evidence that I should stay away from an unreliable bit of kit... hence the decision to take it back to Guitar Center. I have a Rocktron MIDIMate and a PC-1600x that provide the same functions, albeit a bit more awkwardly since only the PC1600x sends note on, and the buttons and sliders are small. still, that is working in the studio. Live is maybe another matter, so i want to be sure it makes sense to ditch the FCB-1010.=20 Given what I just described, is it a sure bet that the pedals are DOA, or is there something about the calibration routine I ought to try one more time? Is the lack of any MIDI output an indication that the pedals are DOA?=20 Any advice on this specific point would be most welcome. General comments on the pros and cons of the FCB-1010 are readily available, and I'll keep them in mind of course.=20 Hal Dean=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5B964.E9DF75C6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Yes,=20 I'm talking about the cc pedals. The buttons work. I think I now have = enough=20 info from everyone to take another shot at this tonight. Thanks for the=20 reply.
 
 
Hal L. Dean , AIA,=20 LEED
Project Manager
Facilities=20 Planning
West Chester = University
610-436-2519
-----Original Message-----
From: = Adrian=20 Bartholomew [mailto:adrian@bartholomusic.com]
Sent: = Wednesday,=20 September 14, 2005 3:45 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: EDP = Footpedal vs.=20 FCB1010 ? ?

the same thing happened to me when i 1st got the 1010.
i assume by "pedals", u r talking about the continuous controller = pedals=20 on the 1010.
i got no signal at all.
i called them and he emailed me the directions for calibration = (which was=20 in the manual i didnt read anyway) and it worked like a charm.
are ur buttons working?
___
Adrian Bartholomew
Leawood KS
On Sep 14, 2005, at 11:09 AM, Dean, Hal wrote:

I've been watching this dialogue for = awhile and=20 find myself wondering if I should do as I've intended - return the = FCB-1010=20 I bought 3 weeks ago, for money back.

I've had enough experience programming = controllers=20 to be undaunted by the arcane language of the manual. I was unable = to use=20 the editing software I got from the Yahoo FCB-1010 support group = (frankly I=20 don't recall at the moment why it did not work, but no matter for = now), but=20 was able to decipher the manual and get the switches working.  = The=20 problem is the pedals - they don't work at all.

I tried the calibration routine as = described in the=20 manual several times, to no avail. My MIDI interface registers no = MIDI=20 signal from either pedal; it DOES recognize switch = operations.=20

Given the conflicting comments about the=20 reliability of the FCB-1010, I was considering this evidence that I = should=20 stay away from an unreliable bit of kit... hence the decision to = take it=20 back to Guitar Center. I have a Rocktron MIDIMate and a PC-1600x = that=20 provide the same functions, albeit a bit more awkwardly since only = the=20 PC1600x sends note on, and the buttons and sliders are small.  = still,=20 that is working in the studio. Live is maybe another matter, so i = want to be=20 sure it makes sense to ditch the FCB-1010.

Given what I just described, is it a sure = bet that=20 the pedals are DOA, or is there something about the calibration = routine I=20 ought to try one more time? Is the lack of any MIDI output an = indication=20 that the pedals are DOA?

Any advice on this specific point would = be most=20 welcome. General comments on the pros and cons of the FCB-1010 are = readily=20 available, and I'll keep them in mind of course.

Hal Dean=20
=00 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5B964.E9DF75C6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 19:54:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F4063BF63; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:54:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-244092007 Message-Id: <43ae40dc4afae32b3ea030ec9d941e83@bartholomusic.com> From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:54:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 66.226.64.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:54:23 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4-244092007 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed no it wouldnt ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 14, 2005, at 12:56 PM, Dean, Hal wrote: > Per- Yes, that is an option I didn't mention but was considering. > Hearing of your friend's experience is oddly heartening. Here is a > basic > question - assuming that a CC number has been assigned properly, would > the pedal send MIDI even if not calibrated? > > Hal L. Dean , AIA, LEED > Project Manager > Facilities Planning > West Chester University > 610-436-2519 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 1:54 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? > > > On Sep 14, 2005, at 18:09, Dean, Hal wrote: > >> I've been watching this dialogue for awhile and find myself >> wondering if I should do as I've intended - return the FCB-1010 I >> bought 3 weeks ago, for money back. > > Or you could return it for a new one, that is not defect. Exactly the > problem you describe happened to a friend of mine. He brought his > FCB over to my place and we did all kind of trouble shooting, > comparing it to my excellent FCB. No doubt his two expression pedals > did not work at all. No MIDI sent. Mine is fine though, I have had it > for almost four years with no problems except for needing to be > calibrated now and then. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > --Apple-Mail-4-244092007 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII no it wouldnt ___7979,0404,0909 Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 14, 2005, at 12:56 PM, Dean, Hal wrote: Per- Yes, that is an option I didn't mention but was considering. Hearing of your friend's experience is oddly heartening. Here is a basic question - assuming that a CC number has been assigned properly, would the pedal send MIDI even if not calibrated? Hal L. Dean , AIA, LEED Project Manager Facilities Planning West Chester University 610-436-2519 -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 1:54 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? On Sep 14, 2005, at 18:09, Dean, Hal wrote: I've been watching this dialogue for awhile and find myself wondering if I should do as I've intended - return the FCB-1010 I bought 3 weeks ago, for money back. Or you could return it for a new one, that is not defect. Exactly the problem you describe happened to a friend of mine. He brought his FCB over to my place and we did all kind of trouble shooting, comparing it to my excellent FCB. No doubt his two expression pedals did not work at all. No MIDI sent. Mine is fine though, I have had it for almost four years with no problems except for needing to be calibrated now and then. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen --Apple-Mail-4-244092007-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 20:57:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE68D3BF58; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:57:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gFbA/8rOqNQ0So8xkb05Mj5Fpw04QWyt8x2dhIi7cgq8NRQ1KxhHxf1Rw3qLZybB6kPaUywTjFJYU/Yur7EwtvxcunwHfpQf3spxqt3HSjBJu49nBisWZg68WcptO09AuY/Pfjkz3DkD3B0myEaAHYhs3mLtsbdNsb0ez7Byo30= ; Message-ID: <20050914205700.52875.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:57:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Wind Stick Devil Subject: RE: Dear RED STATES To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050913202937.AAEF83BF07@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-323933066-1126731420=:51546" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:57:01 +0000 (UTC) --0-323933066-1126731420=:51546 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well, the discussions are related to looping. They go round and round without accomplishing anything. Kinda like a lot of the music on the Board. :) Bill Edmondson wrote:v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Please take this discussion to a related forum (if there is such a place). We’ve all subscribed to this list because of our common interest in LOOPING! Not politics, not macramé, not pan flute (unless you loop it), not matt damon. LOOPING! --------------------------------- From: Wind Stick Devil [mailto:wklemmer1@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 4:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dear RED STATES I have a better idea. Fry up the 'barf' and eat it! :) Suit & Tie Guy wrote: hearing the terms "red state", "blue state", "gay marriage", or "abortion" makes me want to barf in a bag. i have a better idea: why don't we put everyone who used the terms "red state" or "blue state" in a cage and let them fight to the death? then the rest of us can live our lives without this divisive verbage weighing us down. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-323933066-1126731420=:51546 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Well, the discussions are related to looping. They go round and round without accomplishing anything. Kinda like a  lot of the music on the Board. :)

Bill Edmondson <edmondson5@comcast.net> wrote:

Please take this discussion to a related forum (if there is such a place).

 

We’ve all subscribed to this list because of our common interest in LOOPING!

 

Not politics, not macramé, not pan flute (unless you loop it), not matt damon. LOOPING!

 

From: Wind Stick Devil [mailto:wklemmer1@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 4:19 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Dear RED STATES

 

I have a better idea. Fry up the 'barf' and eat it! :)

Suit & Tie Guy <erwill@suitandtieguy.com> wrote:

hearing the terms "red state", "blue state", "gay marriage", or
"abortion" makes me want to barf in a bag.

i have a better idea:

why don't we put everyone who used the terms "red state" or "blue
state" in a cage and let them fight to the death?

then the rest of us can live our lives without this divisive verbage
weighing us down.
---
Eric Williamson
www.suitandtieguy.com

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-323933066-1126731420=:51546-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 21:01:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A6093BF6C; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:01:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [213.105.136.107] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth.whitcock" To: References: Subject: NEW REPEATER Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:57:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:01:48 +0000 (UTC) Ok, its only vapourware at the moment but what's the (potential) difference btween the old 1 and the new? I#m on the look out for a looper with 2 independant loops, (with varable feedback) with identical lengths that I can crossfade between. Ideas anyone? Gareth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 21:07:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0ABAA3BF6A; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:07:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tUVYgtMtLyOGPjk6Y7bzPS7UCkvzy/TtiLWVz4W5vDqfJ7JlWWqz+b6cST3MFwlt7lGGyGvGAc5c1rQpSJl3uEZegcpnWAqEf8AVJaax2RKF0CMNGVt/3s9vELVBcHqw5LOk72R/A06LDX162T/weu/+ifIC7pY/PQittbP8wgY= ; Message-ID: <20050914210747.28409.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:07:47 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: NEW REPEATER To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:07:48 +0000 (UTC) Who knows with the MK2, but the MK1 will give you for mono (or two stereo) loops with varable feedback and the ability to control the volume of any of the tracks for a "crossfade." --- "gareth.whitcock" wrote: > Ok, its only vapourware at the moment but what's the > (potential) difference > btween the old 1 and the new? > I#m on the look out for a looper with 2 independant > loops, (with varable > feedback) with identical lengths that I can > crossfade between. > Ideas anyone? > > Gareth > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 21:16:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD1B83BF6A; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:16:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00c001c5b971$4e369490$6b8869d5@acer81080ea37f> From: "gareth.whitcock" To: References: <20050914210747.28409.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: NEW REPEATER Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:11:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:16:15 +0000 (UTC) Can the loops be identical lengths Mark? And cany ou assign different midi cc meassages to each loop feedback parameter? I'm assuming you have one of these beasties? Gareth > Who knows with the MK2, but the MK1 will give you for > mono (or two stereo) loops with varable feedback and > the ability to control the volume of any of the tracks > for a "crossfade." > > --- "gareth.whitcock" > wrote: > >> Ok, its only vapourware at the moment but what's the >> (potential) difference >> btween the old 1 and the new? >> I#m on the look out for a looper with 2 independant >> loops, (with varable >> feedback) with identical lengths that I can >> crossfade between. >> Ideas anyone? >> >> Gareth >> >> >> > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 21:48:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A56513BF69; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:48:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hDomc7til+Wi288J/RAJ1kn7MycJXHlv3bWhzzvJEX5YFli/6ix52+WAPdpDY6VxrpWKrA/TFYQ5dZ5N2jXarivmbbGJyx5ApV23Y/hc5BFUb2W4ciFFTq1B2Lrm3xtnZRBuHrYH3LLhSCqdEThPYa0TXwwayJZ5oWmqS7zAgyM= ; Message-ID: <20050914214807.77310.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:48:07 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: NEW REPEATER To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00c001c5b971$4e369490$6b8869d5@acer81080ea37f> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:48:08 +0000 (UTC) Each "track" (up to 4 mono) of a loop is the same length and can be controlled with a different CC# or you can control them as stereo pairs like I do. Up to 99 different sized 4 track loop can be created. Mark --- "gareth.whitcock" wrote: > Can the loops be identical lengths Mark? > And cany ou assign different midi cc meassages to > each loop feedback > parameter? > I'm assuming you have one of these beasties? > > Gareth > > > Who knows with the MK2, but the MK1 will give you > for > > mono (or two stereo) loops with varable feedback > and > > the ability to control the volume of any of the > tracks > > for a "crossfade." > > > > --- "gareth.whitcock" > > > wrote: > > > >> Ok, its only vapourware at the moment but what's > the > >> (potential) difference > >> btween the old 1 and the new? > >> I#m on the look out for a looper with 2 > independant > >> loops, (with varable > >> feedback) with identical lengths that I can > >> crossfade between. > >> Ideas anyone? > >> > >> Gareth > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Yahoo! 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Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 21:59:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A3D33BF50; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002101c5b977$8cceb150$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20050914205700.52875.qmail@web50810.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Dear RED STATES Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:59:14 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Ahenh, nix on die HTMLer! But I'll bite. A realistic question for ambient artists: Why does music have to "accomplish" something? ----- Original Message ----- From: Wind Stick Devil To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, 14 September, 2005 21:57 PM Subject: RE: Dear RED STATES Well, the discussions are related to looping. They go round and round without accomplishing anything. Kinda like a lot of the music on the Board. :) Bill Edmondson wrote: Please take this discussion to a related forum (if there is such a place). We've all subscribed to this list because of our common interest in LOOPING! Not politics, not macramé, not pan flute (unless you loop it), not matt damon. LOOPING! From: Wind Stick Devil [mailto:wklemmer1@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 4:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dear RED STATES I have a better idea. Fry up the 'barf' and eat it! :) Suit & Tie Guy wrote: hearing the terms "red state", "blue state", "gay marriage", or "abortion" makes me want to barf in a bag. i have a better idea: why don't we put everyone who used the terms "red state" or "blue state" in a cage and let them fight to the death? then the rest of us can live our lives without this divisive verbage weighing us down. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 22:06:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1D033BF6B; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:06:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 17:06:38 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: M-Audio Trigger Finger (was EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010) In-reply-to: <20050914182428.UFHV17436.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43289EEE.1030205@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20050914182428.UFHV17436.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:06:45 +0000 (UTC) The target audience is obviously drummers, or rather drum machine programmers, but it is quite flexible and usable for other things. It is not big enough to play with drum sticks though, the pads are designed to be played with fingers, they are small and relatively delicate. I use it to control an EDP and other devices, the pads can be programmed to emit note on/off (both momentary and toggle) and program changes which will give you everything you need for an EDP. Unlike footpedals the pads are velocity sensitive so you can trigger loops at different volumes. The momentary buttons give you the ability to access the SUS functions, but I don't find this very useful because you have to take your hands away from your instrument, and I generally want to play during the sustain. If you practiced long, enough, you could probably control it with the ball of your foot or a toe, but it doesn't look rugged enough to be a reliable foot controller. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 22:41:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B7803BF56; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:41:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Music can "accomplish" Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:41:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcW5d5J/DzKDIJdmTaCgJyUQ4dULWQABZstA In-Reply-To: <002101c5b977$8cceb150$0207a8c0@eluk1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Message-Id: <20050914224105.YXNS17436.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <-vHgJD.A.OqD.DcKKDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:41:08 +0000 (UTC) -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 2:59 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dear RED STATES A realistic question for ambient artists: Why does music have to "accomplish" something? --->Because everyone has something to prove? Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 22:41:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F6CD3BF4F; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:41:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ygCK/xsZYqkNpDs9qMjcJeqDqPbqnD/bxo2vovAkNpYuVD41FJQgmm28POopRA89riDHYAuPEpoerBXSi4n67FPOh/k+96DFpAmrjgI67F4SKEHwjCdUNY3LwwFsvSF1DE35vG7rln1NZxWOcnMyBvVdoXB2c3fRBHIM6aeFN8I= ; Message-ID: <20050914224155.77307.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:41:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: NEW REPEATER To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050914214807.77310.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:41:57 +0000 (UTC) Mark do you have the ocasional problem when recording a mono track, stereo tracks on the Rpter suddently being activated?(I am controlling them with a FCB1010) Sometimes i have a hard time deactivating them, how do u get around it?even presing both tracks simultaneously sometimes doesnt work, i hate this bug! Luis --- mark sottilaro wrote: > Each "track" (up to 4 mono) of a loop is the same > length and can be controlled with a different CC# or > you can control them as stereo pairs like I do. > > Up to 99 different sized 4 track loop can be > created. > www.luis-angulo.com ______________________________________________________ Yahoo! for Good Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 22:48:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCB733BF3F; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:48:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=eCxNgxvHv8hOyTRllsG4xHux0h5VCQwIOkGBodDE1ffvYt9MjKeBs502dASxPEiPNcq7FdQMHGCM8iB/NaEOZt0v4vaCt32HnfWTtKkK/mW+QBv2QzdmP+l/UsLAU/EauBqQmq2JOihKyklz3XuRD1BlCM19oJOJv3j60gMkruk= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:48:36 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: travishartnett@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Music can "accomplish" In-Reply-To: <20050914224105.YXNS17436.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <002101c5b977$8cceb150$0207a8c0@eluk1> <20050914224105.YXNS17436.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:48:37 +0000 (UTC) I think that question should be "Why do musicians have to 'accomplish' something?" Or, a question from ambient artists to their detractors "Why does music need to 'do' something?" Music just "is", sort of like sunlight. The sun isn't trying to "make" plants grow, rather plants grow in the presence of sunlight (among other things). Sometimes plants get too much sun, in which case they wither and die. How musicians (often believing themselves to be the creator of said music) or the audience interpret the phenomena of music really has more to do with the musician/audience than the music itself. > From: Stephen Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] > A realistic question for ambient artists: Why does music > have to "accomplish" something? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 22:48:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23A663BF5F; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:48:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hVA//MmEuxY8ekZDnsEGMf3EZHrTMAsvOwGaShZQu53RxOm6RYzxoGleH5dqrrsmJTCpM1tnkBKD4toli1td14Q/FoJLIscQwZ9lcdAIiIGyAwnmd48AJMmL9a1LaOaJ/14GWrF2dCv+RfwaDjfA/TOcOrxpbA82V881iLqShiQ= ; Message-ID: <20050914224854.81232.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:48:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050914103508.04c137b8@loopers-delight.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:48:55 +0000 (UTC) Great tips Kim thanx! this beast has no end,gotta lock myself again for a few days;-) Luis --- Kim Flint wrote: > At 03:21 PM 9/13/2005, Luis Angulo wrote: > >i wonder if it will work having Quant=on then i can > >jump between differnt arrangements...? > > Luis- > > Use the SwitchQuant parameter to quantize switching > between loops. There > are several options for it to jump immediately, at > the next cycle point, at > the loop end, plus the "confirm" modes. The > SamplerStyle parameter lets you > determine if the loop starts at the beginning and > keeps going, starts where > you left it and keeps going, triggers and plays one > time, or plays as long > as you hold the note and stops when you let go. And > the Velocity parameter > lets you have the loops be velocity sensitive, so > their volume is set by > how hard you hit the note. (assuming your controller > is velocity sensitive. > that's usually not the case with midi pedals.) Take > a look at the manual > for more details. > > have fun, > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | > http://www.loopers-delight.com > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 23:01:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A5503BF5F; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:01:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=z0X5zxfksLdeB+Y7d07DeJGsAxbj9NH7WZ1Ev5KAd/6rIWQreSloeliWhBCbJfnveyh30tqLiegcwkTVwlJcE90KxnI/dtzF/JxRnaEtZ9+9zc15uJwYPFqLM93YtylYfjUMA1lURu/ily8MfBysW4M+ik3FN7bQwR6hl1pexmk= ; Message-ID: <20050914230137.87918.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:01:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Re:Re: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <014f01c5b927$e13f43d0$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_ZCQx.A.3uE.UvKKDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:01:40 +0000 (UTC) very simple, because i want to change tonality when i feel like it and not be tight up to fixed bass lines... besides going through the proccess of double speed to get a half speed bass line isnt always that attractive to me,but i can imagine having 5 different steady looped harmonies which i can trigger at random and experimenting with different bass lines over them,it might give the loops a more subtle feel... i dont always want to glitches and be weird, i also want to make music... Luis --- Ben wrote: > Why not use 1/2 speed? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Luis Angulo" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 1:52 PM > Subject: Re:Re: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing > individual loops directly > > > > Andy i have the same config good to hear that! but > > that is an brilliant idea,build an ostinato bass > line > > while changing harmonies with the different > loops,now > > i want to find a little (non synth) effect that > will > > turn my guitar into a bass,what do u use? > > > > > > --- a k butler wrote: > > > >> > >> >Andy is interesting that you program the most > >> >important functions in the top row,you must do a > >> lot > >> >with more loops triggering,no? but where is your > >> >record button? > >> > >> Well, that's a special bank just for going > between > >> loops very rapidly. > >> In that case I have the edp set up so I can (for > >> instance) play a 5 > >> note bass line while pressing the buttons along > the > >> bottom row, > >> and end up with each bass note assigned to a > >> different switch. > >> > >> mostly I use:- > >> top row > >> 6- Insert > >> 7- Reverse > >> 8- HSp > >> 9- Subst > >> 10 -Mute > >> bottom row > >> 1- rec > >> 2- overdub > >> 3- mult > >> 4 - Undo > >> 5- Nextloop > >> > >> > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 23:15:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46DA63BF6A; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:15:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jRB+EVUkCLVszaajCUG4trwpguWlopH7mzl1RZ8O2DUaZ8drMhCrnI/RSaqtdokg/u9qERGTRnwzYXBZjyFLgPAJqJ4hSXhzB0xDtbimMsgn5ubIFseszylBw+BjKE9ORCOZ4RhT4aD4Q+kmTDW/H9Z+9PxzLZRotpo67/kw8ck= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:15:20 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: travishartnett@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Music can "accomplish" In-Reply-To: <06d56404ad3d80c17f91fd66330ae842@bartholomusic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <002101c5b977$8cceb150$0207a8c0@eluk1> <20050914224105.YXNS17436.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> <06d56404ad3d80c17f91fd66330ae842@bartholomusic.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:15:21 +0000 (UTC) A musician may, or may not be trying create a musician/audience connection. And the audience may, or may not perceive a connection, which may, or may not exist regardless of the intentions, hopes or desires of all parties involved. I may do a rain dance, and it may, or may not rain afterwards.=20 Determining causation can be a tricky thing. TravisH On 9/14/05, Adrian Bartholomew wrote: > well then u contradict urself. > then by ur own definition: a musician is trying to create the > musician/audience connection. >=20 > however u look at it, he was right. > we ARE because we have to PROVE. >=20 > an idea is not enough. > even the tibetian monks still CREATE the physical representation of > concepts before they immediately destroy it. sometimes very beautiful > works of art. > we have a human body with 5 senses for a reason. we are here in the 1st > place BECAUSE the IDEA of us wasnt sufficient. >=20 > art must be physically represented to be called art. > ___ > Adrian Bartholomew > Leawood KS > On Sep 14, 2005, at 5:48 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 23:23:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 244233BF5C; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:23:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01a601c5b983$4a6fc360$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: M-Audio Trigger Finger Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:23:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:23:19 +0000 (UTC) I just took my brand new one (a really generous gift from my brother) to the Zurich Festival. What I love about it is that with sixteen pads, it can be set up to play a two octave scale in any mode, raga or scale you would desire. Since the Electrix Repeater treats the UR loop as midi note C 60 I set up 7 of the presets to correspond to the 7 major modes. I also set up a couple of presets to be random groupings of only octaves so that I could do some random real time 'sequencing' on the Repeater that I then resample into the EDP. It's just very cool and I haven't even begun to figure out how to use program changes and midi CC notes yet (for the EDP). It's really little too......................anyone wanna buy a Roland Pad 80 controller? tee hee hee On the airplane to Zurich, I had a 12" mac laptop, a firewire 410 breakout box, a trigger finger (all powered by the laptops batteries) and a little Ashbory miniature fretless bass........................ all in the same bag. I could have recorded an entire CD with it had I wanted to (but lots of sleep and the occasional between nap scintillating conversation of Herr NemoGuitt was too distracting) I say buy one!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 23:34:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5898A3BF66; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:34:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:34:22 -0800 Subject: Re: M-Audio Trigger Finger From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <01a601c5b983$4a6fc360$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:34:23 +0000 (UTC) ... > I could have recorded an entire CD with it had I wanted to (but lots of > sleep and the occasional between nap scintillating conversation of Herr > NemoGuitt was too distracting) didja record any of the scintillation? would luv to hear some of that :-) s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 14 23:55:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 168B53BF66; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:55:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5fBWYo3Ordlb+VFKwONFoH1ObBHZVeTYPRHiZW8PecUpFS+dkG391uanGgzWM2rytCcrZCBwBFxCDmoxRe/pO5zAA6BEn1sQCPqpe7iciQ5vsYey5WB0k1PylJKEVmtvv346EQBaSWpaImPsfT3y0D72elhO7i67+bedKnKX3DQ= ; Message-ID: <20050914235543.47099.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:55:43 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: NEW REPEATER To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050914224155.77307.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 23:55:45 +0000 (UTC) I've never come across that bug. Probably because I never do mono tracks. I usually form a set loop on 1-2 and then a slowly fading loop on 3-4 and play around with effects on both or either. --- Luis Angulo wrote: > Mark do you have the ocasional problem when > recording > a mono track, stereo tracks on the Rpter suddently > being activated?(I am controlling them with a > FCB1010) > Sometimes i have a hard time deactivating them, how > do > u get around it?even presing both tracks > simultaneously sometimes doesnt work, > i hate this bug! > Luis > > --- mark sottilaro > wrote: > > > Each "track" (up to 4 mono) of a loop is the same > > length and can be controlled with a different CC# > or > > you can control them as stereo pairs like I do. > > > > Up to 99 different sized 4 track loop can be > > created. > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! for Good > Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ > > __________________________________ Yahoo! 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On Sep 14, = 2005, at 12:45 PM, Adrian Bartholomew wrote:

how much?
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Adrian Bartholomew
Leawood KS
On Sep 14, 2005, at 11:15 AM, David Coffin = wrote:

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Gotta do it; anybody interested? Blackface; spotless... (pedal = is beige)
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Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-959334312-1126769029=:5469-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 15 07:36:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C0913BF66; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 07:36:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,112,1125874800"; d="scan'208"; a="18618448:sNHT20118959" Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050915082718.032a0cb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:30:26 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: M-Audio Trigger Finger (was EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010) In-Reply-To: <20050914224838.1ED703BF58@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050914224838.1ED703BF58@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 07:36:49 +0000 (UTC) hi Jeff >I use it to control an EDP and other devices, the pads can be programmed >to emit note on/off (both momentary and toggle) and program changes which >will give you everything you need for an EDP. Unlike footpedals the pads >are velocity sensitive so you can trigger loops at different volumes. quick question is it "fully polyphonic"? which means If you're holding a pad down, to send a note-off on release, does this freeze the other controls? andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 15 07:40:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79B643BF2B; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 07:40:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43292536.2080307@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 09:39:34 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: M-Audio Trigger Finger References: <20050914182428.UFHV17436.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> <43289EEE.1030205@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <43289EEE.1030205@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 07:40:06 +0000 (UTC) I use mine as a foot(toe-)controller all the time. But the best thing about it is that each pad can send midi cc's when applying pressure, so I can control a whole bunch of crap from it. Using "regular" hand control you can tweak 8 parameters simulatneously with decent control! And yes andy, it's fully polyphonic. The only thing really missing is polyphonic aftertouch... it would have been so easy to implement... oh well, maybe in a mk2. Andreas (saving up for a second TF...) Jeff Larson wrote: > > The target audience is obviously drummers, or rather drum machine > programmers, but it is quite flexible and usable for other things. > It is not big enough to play with drum sticks though, the pads are > designed to be played with fingers, they are small and relatively > delicate. > > I use it to control an EDP and other devices, the pads can be programmed > to emit note on/off (both momentary and toggle) and program changes which > will give you everything you need for an EDP. Unlike footpedals the pads > are velocity sensitive so you can trigger loops at different volumes. > > The momentary buttons give you the ability to access the SUS functions, > but I don't find this very useful because you have to take your hands > away from your instrument, and I generally want to play during the > sustain. > If you practiced long, enough, you could probably control it with > the ball of your foot or a toe, but it doesn't look rugged enough to > be a reliable foot controller. > > Jeff > > > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 15 07:44:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C7373BF70; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 07:44:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=eQugv8zUd1Ygsxf94ndaBHGTblEz4vYCSSYMt7aCwf020biQrFh+eYHNPnxKx4T4cTq2x6Eh437Tyt8Nqb4V8zHhthGUuPe3I8ohpmB0upkaF+1+/zJELk78U3Rze0UBxHj3pU7AdnhB5Bf2EuSRSCCOUiXGO7F1fKOOJ2o60lw= ; Message-ID: <00c701c5b9c9$4dc04b20$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 09:44:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C4_01C5B9DA.10C0FF60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 07:44:34 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C4_01C5B9DA.10C0FF60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MessageIsn't there also for the CC pedal a specific midi channel that = can be different from the switches one? In this case might it be possible that you only listen to 1 channel and = discard the other ones? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dean, Hal=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 9:45 PM Subject: RE: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? Yes, I'm talking about the cc pedals. The buttons work. I think I now = have enough info from everyone to take another shot at this tonight. = Thanks for the reply. Hal L. Dean , AIA, LEED Project Manager Facilities Planning West Chester University 610-436-2519 -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Bartholomew [mailto:adrian@bartholomusic.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 3:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? the same thing happened to me when i 1st got the 1010.=20 i assume by "pedals", u r talking about the continuous controller = pedals on the 1010.=20 i got no signal at all.=20 i called them and he emailed me the directions for calibration = (which was in the manual i didnt read anyway) and it worked like a = charm.=20 are ur buttons working?=20 ___=20 Adrian Bartholomew=20 Leawood KS=20 On Sep 14, 2005, at 11:09 AM, Dean, Hal wrote:=20 I've been watching this dialogue for awhile and find myself = wondering if I should do as I've intended - return the FCB-1010 I bought = 3 weeks ago, for money back.=20 I've had enough experience programming controllers to be undaunted = by the arcane language of the manual. I was unable to use the editing = software I got from the Yahoo FCB-1010 support group (frankly I don't = recall at the moment why it did not work, but no matter for now), but = was able to decipher the manual and get the switches working. The = problem is the pedals - they don't work at all.=20 I tried the calibration routine as described in the manual several = times, to no avail. My MIDI interface registers no MIDI signal from = either pedal; it DOES recognize switch operations.=20 Given the conflicting comments about the reliability of the = FCB-1010, I was considering this evidence that I should stay away from = an unreliable bit of kit... hence the decision to take it back to Guitar = Center. I have a Rocktron MIDIMate and a PC-1600x that provide the same = functions, albeit a bit more awkwardly since only the PC1600x sends note = on, and the buttons and sliders are small. still, that is working in = the studio. Live is maybe another matter, so i want to be sure it makes = sense to ditch the FCB-1010.=20 Given what I just described, is it a sure bet that the pedals are = DOA, or is there something about the calibration routine I ought to try = one more time? Is the lack of any MIDI output an indication that the = pedals are DOA?=20 Any advice on this specific point would be most welcome. General = comments on the pros and cons of the FCB-1010 are readily available, and = I'll keep them in mind of course.=20 Hal Dean ------=_NextPart_000_00C4_01C5B9DA.10C0FF60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Isn't there also for the CC pedal a = specific midi=20 channel that can be different from the switches one?
In this case might it be possible that = you only=20 listen to 1 channel and discard the other ones?
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dean, Hal =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, = 2005 9:45=20 PM
Subject: RE: EDP Footpedal vs. = FCB1010 ?=20 ?

Yes, I'm talking about the cc pedals. The buttons = work. I think=20 I now have enough info from everyone to take another shot at this = tonight.=20 Thanks for the reply.
 
 
Hal L. Dean , AIA,=20 LEED
Project Manager
Facilities = Planning
West = Chester=20 University
610-436-2519
-----Original Message-----
From: = Adrian=20 Bartholomew [mailto:adrian@bartholomusic.com]
Sent: = Wednesday,=20 September 14, 2005 3:45 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: EDP = Footpedal vs.=20 FCB1010 ? ?

the same thing happened to me when i 1st got the 1010.
i assume by "pedals", u r talking about the continuous = controller=20 pedals on the 1010.
i got no signal at all.
i called them and he emailed me the directions for calibration = (which=20 was in the manual i didnt read anyway) and it worked like a charm. =
are ur buttons working?
___
Adrian Bartholomew
Leawood KS
On Sep 14, 2005, at 11:09 AM, Dean, Hal wrote:

I've been watching this dialogue for = awhile and=20 find myself wondering if I should do as I've intended - return the = FCB-1010 I bought 3 weeks ago, for money back.

I've had enough experience programming=20 controllers to be undaunted by the arcane language of the manual. = I was=20 unable to use the editing software I got from the Yahoo FCB-1010 = support=20 group (frankly I don't recall at the moment why it did not work, = but no=20 matter for now), but was able to decipher the manual and get the = switches=20 working.  The problem is the pedals - they don't work at = all.=20

I tried the calibration routine as = described in=20 the manual several times, to no avail. My MIDI interface registers = no MIDI=20 signal from either pedal; it DOES recognize switch = operations.=20

Given the conflicting comments about = the=20 reliability of the FCB-1010, I was considering this evidence that = I should=20 stay away from an unreliable bit of kit... hence the decision to = take it=20 back to Guitar Center. I have a Rocktron MIDIMate and a PC-1600x = that=20 provide the same functions, albeit a bit more awkwardly since only = the=20 PC1600x sends note on, and the buttons and sliders are = small.  still,=20 that is working in the studio. Live is maybe another matter, so i = want to=20 be sure it makes sense to ditch the FCB-1010.

Given what I just described, is it a = sure bet=20 that the pedals are DOA, or is there something about the = calibration=20 routine I ought to try one more time? Is the lack of any MIDI = output an=20 indication that the pedals are DOA?

Any advice on this specific point would = be most=20 welcome. General comments on the pros and cons of the FCB-1010 are = readily=20 available, and I'll keep them in mind of course.

Hal Dean=20
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Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 15 07:58:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B9803BF71; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 07:58:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <20050914224155.77307.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050914224155.77307.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <93C4CDE8-7066-4810-A452-E1F913A690D2@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: NEW REPEATER (stereo pad trick) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 09:58:03 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 07:58:07 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 15, 2005, at 0:41, Luis Angulo wrote: > Mark do you have the ocasional problem when recording > a mono track, stereo tracks on the Rpter suddently > being activated?(I am controlling them with a FCB1010) > Sometimes i have a hard time deactivating them, how do > u get around it?even presing both tracks > simultaneously sometimes doesnt work, > i hate this bug! > Luis Excuse me, Mark, for jumping in here. I don't keep a Repeater any more but I remember my trick to deactivate a stereo track and turn into two mono tracks. I used my FCB to send the Repeater a command for "Track X Record Select" (addressing either left or right stereo channel as "a mono track") and then I did a quick overdub to that track (just "silent overdub" If I did not want to record, just split the stereo pair). This was working fine for many concerts. I used that manoeuver as part this trick: Overdubbing many layers of my mono instument playing ambient sounding notes to form a mono cluster chord on that stereo track. Splitting the stereo pair (as above). Slip one of the tracks by some values and pan the two tracks left-right (one FCB button sending all necessary MIDI commands). The result is a very wide stereo pad. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 15 08:27:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5C7F3BF75; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:27:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: NEW REPEATER (stereo pad trick) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 10:27:21 +0200 Message-ID: <004d01c5b9cf$4e2dcb40$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <93C4CDE8-7066-4810-A452-E1F913A690D2@boysen.se> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.7 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:27:37 +0000 (UTC) > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Donnerstag, 15. September 2005 09:58 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: NEW REPEATER (stereo pad trick) > > On Sep 15, 2005, at 0:41, Luis Angulo wrote: > > > Mark do you have the ocasional problem when recording > > a mono track, stereo tracks on the Rpter suddently > > being activated?(I am controlling them with a FCB1010) > > Sometimes i have a hard time deactivating them, how do > > u get around it?even presing both tracks > > simultaneously sometimes doesnt work, > > i hate this bug! > > Luis > > > Excuse me, Mark, for jumping in here. I don't keep a Repeater any > more but I remember my trick to deactivate a stereo track and turn > into two mono tracks. I used my FCB to send the Repeater a command > for "Track X Record Select" (addressing either left or right stereo > channel as "a mono track") and then I did a quick overdub to that > track (just "silent overdub" If I did not want to record, just split > the stereo pair). This was working fine for many concerts. > > I used that manoeuver as part this trick: > Overdubbing many layers of my mono instument playing ambient sounding > notes to form a mono cluster chord on that stereo track. Splitting > the stereo pair (as above). Slip one of the tracks by some values and > pan the two tracks left-right (one FCB button sending all necessary > MIDI commands). The result is a very wide stereo pad. > This and many other tricks by Per: http://www.xmlizer.biz/cgi-bin/repeater-users/kwiki.cgi?PerBoysenTips Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 15 09:05:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 252383BF5E; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 09:05:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=a6dijxFmWUd2lYm/qLvufVEHqhLqX/pbxfF30hxO0+0iY9dFrQG343lFGXVjy5JQa805T12+iuNmcxhIicFjZTA23pc2cu/8wuMCVGO0b5mBuIv0QnGg8biW6hszpLQSKL8vE3Y3tPQRwO/G/rGxAiwNa8xhRaFp52WFrMxwdRc= Message-ID: <250b523405091502054ce7aaf3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 06:05:19 -0300 From: tadeu barboza Reply-To: tbkobna@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Ultimate Bush Protest In-Reply-To: <20050915072349.5611.qmail@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4279_22288961.1126775119031" References: <20050915072349.5611.qmail@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 09:05:19 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4279_22288961.1126775119031 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline De uma olhadela neta pagina protesto, .. 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------=_Part_4279_22288961.1126775119031-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 15 11:47:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70E123BF68; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 11:47:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <004d01c5b9cf$4e2dcb40$2101a8c0@alhambra> References: <004d01c5b9cf$4e2dcb40$2101a8c0@alhambra> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <80AE0DB4-AC87-495D-A25E-FD76B37F4ED1@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: EDP question (entering new loop in half speed) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:47:56 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 11:47:59 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Can some experienced EDP user enlighten me on how I can enter NextLoop in HalfSpeed mode? If possible I want to avoid having to do the "Confirm SwitchQuant thing", it seems so slow. I want to stay in "SwitchQuant=Off" all the time. Obviously this is not possible because the EDP seems to take "Speed = Normal" as the default? I just tried "SwitchQuant=CnF" and found out that won't help anyway, since you can not define the speed of the next loop, when in "Confirm Mode". Any hints would be appreciated. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 15 12:14:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7831A3BF6A; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 12:14:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001001c5b9ee$fd67cb00$0201a8c0@mini> Reply-To: "Claude Voit" From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <004d01c5b9cf$4e2dcb40$2101a8c0@alhambra> <80AE0DB4-AC87-495D-A25E-FD76B37F4ED1@boysen.se> Subject: Re: EDP question (entering new loop in half speed) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:14:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 12:14:17 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per in any cases you can always enter two consecutive midi messages (if your midi controler allows it) for the edp that wil be sent at the same time : nextloop+half speed Claude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 1:47 PM Subject: EDP question (entering new loop in half speed) > Hi, > > Can some experienced EDP user enlighten me on how I can enter NextLoop in > HalfSpeed mode? > > If possible I want to avoid having to do the "Confirm SwitchQuant thing", > it seems so slow. I want to stay in "SwitchQuant=Off" all the time. > Obviously this is not possible because the EDP seems to take "Speed = > Normal" as the default? > > I just tried "SwitchQuant=CnF" and found out that won't help anyway, > since you can not define the speed of the next loop, when in "Confirm > Mode". > > Any hints would be appreciated. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 15 12:16:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C15943BF71; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 12:16:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,112,1125874800"; d="scan'208"; a="18795092:sNHT17823351" Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050914211501.02db4eb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:09:52 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: cd swap In-Reply-To: <20050914194803.0AC653BF62@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050914194803.0AC653BF62@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <0WWiF.A.dtG.QYWKDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 12:16:16 +0000 (UTC) hi Luis i'm at 60 Onley St. Norwich Norfolk NR2 2EB UK where are you? let's swap andy >From: Luis Angulo >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re:Re:Re: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly >Message-ID: <20050914170255.58486.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >Andy, love your new tunes mate,are you into swaping >CDs? I am in Deutschland so it wont take us long! >cheers >Luis > >--- a k butler wrote: > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 15 12:27:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A79C3BF82; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 12:27:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <432968A1.1070502@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:27:13 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? For Per. References: <0E3B668C-8DAF-41BB-BDFD-5E20EC50D9E6@boysen.se> In-Reply-To: <0E3B668C-8DAF-41BB-BDFD-5E20EC50D9E6@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 12:27:17 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per! I've found something for you: http://eroktronix.com/ not exactly the cheapest bit of kit, but it can definitely do what you want: Buy 20 dirt cheap buttons and a project box and you've got a prg.change box! Best, Andreas Per Boysen wrote: > I now have this ultra tiny midi mixer called Faderfox LV1 and I just > love it! I really want to find something equally small that only > sends MIDI program send messages. I don't think I could do without > the FCB1010, but I want something to call up programs so I won't need > to step between so many FCB banks all the time. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 15 12:28:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0B3A3BF83; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 12:28:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <432968EB.9040804@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:28:27 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? For Per. References: <0E3B668C-8DAF-41BB-BDFD-5E20EC50D9E6@boysen.se> In-Reply-To: <0E3B668C-8DAF-41BB-BDFD-5E20EC50D9E6@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 12:28:29 +0000 (UTC) http://eroktronix.com/ -hell, get out an old guitar and build it right into it! A. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 15 13:10:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 521F63BF88; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:10:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <001001c5b9ee$fd67cb00$0201a8c0@mini> References: <004d01c5b9cf$4e2dcb40$2101a8c0@alhambra> <80AE0DB4-AC87-495D-A25E-FD76B37F4ED1@boysen.se> <001001c5b9ee$fd67cb00$0201a8c0@mini> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9352A86E-CD12-4A68-9726-61E4E7CFA76F@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP question (entering new loop in half speed) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:10:04 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:10:11 +0000 (UTC) Yes I guess you're right, but the FCB1010 can only send one MIDI note at a time. Do you know that it would work if I had another controller? (or use the FCB to trig a clip in Ableton Live that sends the multiple command to the EDP) per On Sep 15, 2005, at 14:14, Claude Voit wrote: > Hi Per > in any cases you can always enter two consecutive midi messages (if > your > midi controler allows it) for the edp that wil be sent at the same > time : > nextloop+half speed > > Claude > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 1:47 PM > Subject: EDP question (entering new loop in half speed) > > > >> Hi, >> >> Can some experienced EDP user enlighten me on how I can enter >> NextLoop in >> HalfSpeed mode? >> >> If possible I want to avoid having to do the "Confirm SwitchQuant >> thing", >> it seems so slow. I want to stay in "SwitchQuant=Off" all the time. >> Obviously this is not possible because the EDP seems to take >> "Speed = >> Normal" as the default? >> >> I just tried "SwitchQuant=CnF" and found out that won't help >> anyway, >> since you can not define the speed of the next loop, when in >> "Confirm >> Mode". >> >> Any hints would be appreciated. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 15 13:12:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 050A03BF95; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:12:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <432968EB.9040804@post.cybercity.dk> References: <0E3B668C-8DAF-41BB-BDFD-5E20EC50D9E6@boysen.se> <432968EB.9040804@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <418A9FF2-89D2-4C6D-8FE3-75FD03202C79@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? For Per. Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:12:24 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:12:27 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 15, 2005, at 14:28, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > http://eroktronix.com/ > -hell, get out an old guitar and build it right into it! I'll read the PDF manual better later. For now it seems as you have to buy Max as well to be able to set the thing up. I think I would prefer it mounted into a box or connected to light beams, so I can use any kind of instrument with it. Thanks for the tip, looking interesting. p. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 15 14:29:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE4F93BF94; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:29:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43298560.7010108@pdq.net> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 09:29:52 -0500 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? For Per. References: <0E3B668C-8DAF-41BB-BDFD-5E20EC50D9E6@boysen.se> <432968EB.9040804@post.cybercity.dk> <418A9FF2-89D2-4C6D-8FE3-75FD03202C79@boysen.se> In-Reply-To: <418A9FF2-89D2-4C6D-8FE3-75FD03202C79@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:29:56 +0000 (UTC) Per, I don't think it *requires* Max, it can just work with it. There appears to be configuration software supplied with the unit. Looks pretty nifty - I like the idea of the standard EDP footpedal, combined with a small customized MIDI stomper for important Direct MIDI commands. Doug Per Boysen wrote: > On Sep 15, 2005, at 14:28, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > >> http://eroktronix.com/ >> -hell, get out an old guitar and build it right into it! > > > > I'll read the PDF manual better later. For now it seems as you have > to buy Max as well to be able to set the thing up. I think I would > prefer it mounted into a box or connected to light beams, so I can > use any kind of instrument with it. Thanks for the tip, looking > interesting. > > p. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 15 14:33:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3582E3BF9F; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:33:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Jamman/Stolen Moments Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:33:08 +0000 Message-Id: <091520051433.25483.43298623000EDD000000638B21979133639B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 21 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:33:10 +0000 (UTC) Hi all. 1. I just got the new Digitech Jamman yesterday, and I hope to be able to replace the RC-20s in my looping setup with it. Played with it some last night, pretty cool. Can't really get into it until after my gig tomorrow. 2. I posted a couple of mp3s of my version of Oliver Nelson's "Stolen Moments". This is the firt head I learned to overdub in 4-part harmony. Go here and scroll down a bit: Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 15 14:48:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B14B3BF89; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:48:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 10:51:38 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Jamman/Stolen Moments In-Reply-To: <091520051433.25483.43298623000EDD000000638B21979133639B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> Message-ID: References: <091520051433.25483.43298623000EDD000000638B21979133639B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: <1lWUAB.A.YZE.EnYKDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 14:48:36 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, 15 Sep 2005, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > Hi all. > 1. I just got the new Digitech Jamman yesterday, and I hope > to be able to replace the RC-20s in my looping setup with it. Played > with it some last night, pretty cool. Can't really get into it until > after my gig tomorrow. Don't remember if I posted this here, but I got a Digitech Jamman last month and then played two shows with it. Digitech Jamman versus Boss RC-20 (non-XL) LoopStation, my opinions: Same size. Same size wallwart AC adapter. 99 loops vs. 11. Of the 11 loop storage spaces on the Boss, one is marked "single" - that is, the sample does not repeat: only plays once when you press Play. On the Jamman, any arbitrary sample can be marked as "single play / does not repeat". This can be good if you want to carry a ton of sound effects. Compact Flash card storage, included good for 24 min. (Jamman) vs. 5.5 minutes built-in and nonremoveable/nonexpandable (RC-20), Stored loops on both can be retained when the unit is unplugged. Buy a large enough CF card for the Jamman and the storage goes to several hours. Auto-record on Jamman that can be initiated by the extra footswitch. Autorecord on Boss involves bending over and pressing chiclet-sized buttons, possibly in bad lighting conditions. The old Digitech FS-300 footswitch (current model is FS-3X, same features) that I got to use with my Electrix Repeater (Mk I) works perfectly with the Jamman. With the Boss, the FS-300 only increments *upward* on the loops (so you had to walk over to the RC-20, bend down and turn the knob to go down in the sample/loop list). The Jamman, the FS-300 does enable autorecord, decrement, increment loops. Jamman has USB jack for import/export of loops to the card without having to remove the card from the Jamman. Supports both Windows XP and Mac OS X. *That's* spiffy. I plan to keep the Boss RC-20 Loopstation, even though I like the Jamman and if I need to drop one or the other from my rig any given evening, the Jamman probably stays. Reasons: * I never get rid of gear if I can help it * the RC-20 can run on batteries and the Jamman cannot * the Jamman lacks reverse playback mode > > 2. I posted a couple of mp3s of my version of Oliver Nelson's "Stolen > Moments". This is the firt head I learned to overdub in 4-part harmony. > Go here and scroll down a bit: > > Nice. best, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 15 15:25:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFF983BF92; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:25:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=KihdMbQMsLgjTY7txGq4zfBkTQw73djuSj8Jg382ykPkXSkr3KgZdyaBwL6x9XuMBhzuhanNmZ16+99J+7OyYE+sXjVPQl0N7fglcuK7yuyslIaqY2NMGF595qHbnvf5kfJjFAj/IUaHsVdfF+Ueq0UZCfiV3lPU4c1R/TI9UNM= ; Message-ID: <20050915152534.73873.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 08:25:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: cd swap To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20050914211501.02db4eb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:25:35 +0000 (UTC) i am at: Luis Angulo Storchenweg 2 78315 Radolfzell Deutschland right on! take care Luis --- a k butler wrote: > hi Luis > > i'm at > > 60 Onley St. > Norwich > Norfolk > NR2 2EB > UK > > where are you? > > let's swap > > andy > > >From: Luis Angulo > >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >Subject: Re:Re:Re: EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing > individual loops directly > >Message-ID: > <20050914170255.58486.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > > >Andy, love your new tunes mate,are you into swaping > >CDs? I am in Deutschland so it wont take us long! > >cheers > >Luis > > > >--- a k butler wrote: > > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 15 15:31:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58F6A3BF9F; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:31:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Bai4jxGe7gnGR0NlftzOn173H0+c5LCMP0l+V+t6iTEyNi60jU+iqCpeGL2KBk2l0JbDtKc9f+zYrvfWAKmlyMzDcIR7QftnBimbtoD9NIoGmgDNwxcuYb+ZUgPNVcLg/HZAx7f0HsDfm3YH1JdCmgvI008VzCMXqfJo5rdKy0M= Message-ID: <353e2ed8050915083156d7f1e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:31:38 +0100 From: David Morton Reply-To: dmorton@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Jamman/Stolen Moments In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <091520051433.25483.43298623000EDD000000638B21979133639B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:31:40 +0000 (UTC) On 9/15/05, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > Don't remember if I posted this here, but I got a Digitech Jamman last > month and then played two shows with it. >=20 > Digitech Jamman versus Boss RC-20 (non-XL) LoopStation, my opinions: [excellent comparison review snipped to save bw] > I plan to keep the Boss RC-20 Loopstation, even though I like the Jamman > and if I need to drop one or the other from my rig any given evening, the > Jamman probably stays. Reasons: >=20 > * I never get rid of gear if I can help it > * the RC-20 can run on batteries and the Jamman cannot > * the Jamman lacks reverse playback mode You probably realise this, but it's worth pointing out that the XL version of the RC-20 sorts out quite a few of the UI problems of the earlier model. You can increment and decrement through the loops with a footswitch now (any dual footswitch with momentary action and a 1/4" TRS jack will do), and any of the loops can be single or repeating. The XL is often reviewed as just a bigger memory version of the RC-20, but Boss did fix quite a few little niggles with the second version. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 15 15:53:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CE7A3BF7A; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:53:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 10:53:03 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: M-Audio Trigger Finger/Lemur In-reply-to: <43292536.2080307@post.cybercity.dk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <432998DF.8000902@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20050914182428.UFHV17436.fed1rmmtao11.cox.net@Desktop2002> <43289EEE.1030205@sun.com> <43292536.2080307@post.cybercity.dk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:53:09 +0000 (UTC) One minor issue for EDP users is that it takes two presses to send a program change. The pads normally send notes. If you want to send a PC to change a preset, you have to press a "shift" key to enter PC mode, the next pad press will send the PC and return to note mode. If you like to quickly switch between presets it takes just a little more thought. But then if you're using your hands you've probably got time to think :-) Also unlike most foot controllers, the pads can only send one program change. So if you were using this to reconfigure a rack of devices you would have to do one Shift+Pad for each device. While we're on the topic, the controller that has me drooling right now is the Lemur. http://www.cycling74.com/products/lemur.html Just the thing for that toe controlled surround panner. But at $2500 you've got to *really* want it. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 15 16:58:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D3EA3BFA7; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:58:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:01:11 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: [LOOP] Jamman/Stolen Moments In-Reply-To: <353e2ed8050915083156d7f1e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <091520051433.25483.43298623000EDD000000638B21979133639B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> <353e2ed8050915083156d7f1e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:58:09 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, 15 Sep 2005, David Morton wrote: > You probably realise this, but it's worth pointing out that the XL > version of the RC-20 sorts out quite a few of the UI problems of the > earlier model. > > You can increment and decrement through the loops with a footswitch > now (any dual footswitch with momentary action and a 1/4" TRS jack > will do), and any of the loops can be single or repeating. Actually, I did not know either of those things. Thank you very much. I'm glad I specified I was comparing to the *non*XL RC-20 :). > The XL is often reviewed as just a bigger memory version of the RC-20, > but Boss did fix quite a few little niggles with the second version. And because I knew neither of the facts you mentioned, I was one of those people who assumed the RC-20XL was just an RC-20 with more memory. Thanks very much for the new (to me) information. best, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 15 17:03:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29CED3BFB1; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:03:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5BA16.FEF8974A" Subject: Best use of FCB-1010 (was RE: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ?) Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:00:37 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Best use of FCB-1010 (was RE: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ?) Thread-Index: AcW5yP5LPJ0uXslhSgStGQG+kpixlAAS9jSw From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Sep 2005 17:00:38.0603 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF5981B0:01C5BA16] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:03:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5BA16.FEF8974A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fortified by the replies of the last few days, I searched the archives and found the calibration instructions on LD, which are an improvement on the manual. And lo, the pedals now work. =20 Having used a PC1600x for many years, I must say the sole advantage of an FCB-1010 over any number of other controllers, from the 1600x to the Spin Doctor that has received some attention at LD in the last few days, is that it is foot-controlled. Otherwise it is not very flexible. Having said that, here is how I intend to proceed, and I wonder if anyone else is working in a similar way. =20 First, use the FCB-1010 AND the EFC-7. the EFC-7 is small enough that adding it to your gig gear is a minor matter. Planes would change the equation of course. =20 Set up a variety of EDP presets with significant differences, say = Pre1=3D basic, Pre2=3Dglitchy with a lot of SUS functions, etc. For each EDP Preset, set up a bank on the FCB-1010. On the first preset of this bank, program the 5 program change switches so that they load a "sound world" into the other devices in the rig - in my case the 1600x, an A-Station, AdrenaLinn, and a just-acquired VF-1 (assuming I like the VF-1). Deactivate these switches for the other presets in the bank. =20 The next bank would be a new sound world and a new EDP work mode, set up the same way - a new set of program changes on Pre1, including a different EDP Pre. Given the changes in the Pre, the other FCB presets in the bank would be programmed differently. =20 Hal Dean =20 -----Original Message----- From: Ben [mailto:benoitruelle@yahoo.fr]=20 Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 3:44 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? Isn't there also for the CC pedal a specific midi channel that can be different from the switches one? In this case might it be possible that you only listen to 1 channel and discard the other ones? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dean, Hal =20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 9:45 PM Subject: RE: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? Yes, I'm talking about the cc pedals. The buttons work. I think I now have enough info from everyone to take another shot at this tonight. Thanks for the reply. =20 =20 Hal L. Dean , AIA, LEED Project Manager Facilities Planning West Chester University 610-436-2519 -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Bartholomew [mailto:adrian@bartholomusic.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 3:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? =09 =09 the same thing happened to me when i 1st got the 1010.=20 i assume by "pedals", u r talking about the continuous controller pedals on the 1010.=20 i got no signal at all.=20 i called them and he emailed me the directions for calibration (which was in the manual i didnt read anyway) and it worked like a charm.=20 are ur buttons working?=20 ___=20 Adrian Bartholomew=20 Leawood KS=20 On Sep 14, 2005, at 11:09 AM, Dean, Hal wrote:=20 I've been watching this dialogue for awhile and find myself wondering if I should do as I've intended - return the FCB-1010 I bought 3 weeks ago, for money back.=20 I've had enough experience programming controllers to be undaunted by the arcane language of the manual. I was unable to use the editing software I got from the Yahoo FCB-1010 support group (frankly I don't recall at the moment why it did not work, but no matter for now), but was able to decipher the manual and get the switches working. The problem is the pedals - they don't work at all.=20 I tried the calibration routine as described in the manual several times, to no avail. My MIDI interface registers no MIDI signal from either pedal; it DOES recognize switch operations.=20 Given the conflicting comments about the reliability of the FCB-1010, I was considering this evidence that I should stay away from an unreliable bit of kit... hence the decision to take it back to Guitar Center. I have a Rocktron MIDIMate and a PC-1600x that provide the same functions, albeit a bit more awkwardly since only the PC1600x sends note on, and the buttons and sliders are small. still, that is working in the studio. Live is maybe another matter, so i want to be sure it makes sense to ditch the FCB-1010.=20 Given what I just described, is it a sure bet that the pedals are DOA, or is there something about the calibration routine I ought to try one more time? Is the lack of any MIDI output an indication that the pedals are DOA?=20 Any advice on this specific point would be most welcome. General comments on the pros and cons of the FCB-1010 are readily available, and I'll keep them in mind of course.=20 Hal Dean=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5BA16.FEF8974A Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Fortified by the replies of the last few days, I = searched the=20 archives and found the calibration instructions on LD, which are an = improvement=20 on the manual. And lo, the pedals now work.
 
Having used a PC1600x for many years, I must say the = sole=20 advantage of an FCB-1010 over any number of other controllers, from the = 1600x to=20 the Spin Doctor that has received some attention at LD in the last few = days, is=20 that it is foot-controlled. Otherwise it is not very flexible. Having = said that,=20 here is how I intend to proceed, and I wonder if anyone else is = working in=20 a similar way.
 
First, use the FCB-1010 AND the EFC-7.  the EFC-7 = is small=20 enough that adding it to your gig gear is a minor matter. Planes would = change=20 the equation of course.
 
Set=20 up a variety of EDP presets with significant differences, say Pre1=3D = basic,=20 Pre2=3Dglitchy with a lot of SUS functions, etc. For each EDP Preset, = set up=20 a  bank on the FCB-1010. On the first preset of this bank, = program the=20 5 program change switches so that they load a "sound world" into the = other=20 devices in the rig - in my case the 1600x, an A-Station, = AdrenaLinn,  and a=20 just-acquired VF-1 (assuming I like the VF-1). Deactivate these switches = for the=20 other presets in the bank.
 
The=20 next bank would be a new=20 sound world and a new EDP work mode, set up the same way - a new set of = program=20 changes on Pre1, including a different  EDP Pre.  = Given the=20 changes in the Pre, the other FCB presets in the bank would be = programmed=20 differently.
 
Hal = Dean
 
-----Original=20 Message-----
From: Ben [mailto:benoitruelle@yahoo.fr] =
Sent:=20 Thursday, September 15, 2005 3:44 AM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal = vs.=20 FCB1010 ? ?

Isn't there also for the CC pedal a = specific midi=20 channel that can be different from the switches one?
In this case might it be possible = that you only=20 listen to 1 channel and discard the other ones?
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dean, Hal =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, September = 14, 2005=20 9:45 PM
Subject: RE: EDP Footpedal = vs. FCB1010=20 ? ?

Yes, I'm talking about the cc pedals. The buttons = work. I=20 think I now have enough info from everyone to take another shot at = this=20 tonight. Thanks for the reply.
 
 
Hal L. Dean , AIA,=20 LEED
Project Manager
Facilities=20 Planning
West = Chester=20 University
610-436-2519
-----Original Message-----
From: = Adrian=20 Bartholomew [mailto:adrian@bartholomusic.com]
Sent: = Wednesday,=20 September 14, 2005 3:45 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: EDP = Footpedal=20 vs. FCB1010 ? ?

the same thing happened to me when i 1st got the 1010.
i assume by "pedals", u r talking about the continuous = controller=20 pedals on the 1010.
i got no signal at all.
i called them and he emailed me the directions for = calibration (which=20 was in the manual i didnt read anyway) and it worked like a charm. =
are ur buttons working?
___
Adrian Bartholomew
Leawood KS
On Sep 14, 2005, at 11:09 AM, Dean, Hal wrote:

I've been watching this dialogue for = awhile and=20 find myself wondering if I should do as I've intended - return = the=20 FCB-1010 I bought 3 weeks ago, for money back.

I've had enough experience = programming=20 controllers to be undaunted by the arcane language of the = manual. I was=20 unable to use the editing software I got from the Yahoo FCB-1010 = support=20 group (frankly I don't recall at the moment why it did not work, = but no=20 matter for now), but was able to decipher the manual and get the = switches working.  The problem is the pedals - they don't = work at=20 all.

I tried the calibration routine as = described in=20 the manual several times, to no avail. My MIDI interface = registers no=20 MIDI signal from either pedal; it DOES recognize switch=20 operations.

Given the conflicting comments about = the=20 reliability of the FCB-1010, I was considering this evidence = that I=20 should stay away from an unreliable bit of kit... hence the = decision to=20 take it back to Guitar Center. I have a Rocktron MIDIMate and a = PC-1600x=20 that provide the same functions, albeit a bit more awkwardly = since only=20 the PC1600x sends note on, and the buttons and sliders are = small. =20 still, that is working in the studio. Live is maybe another = matter, so i=20 want to be sure it makes sense to ditch the FCB-1010. =

Given what I just described, is it a = sure bet=20 that the pedals are DOA, or is there something about the = calibration=20 routine I ought to try one more time? Is the lack of any MIDI = output an=20 indication that the pedals are DOA?

Any advice on this specific point = would be most=20 welcome. General comments on the pros and cons of the FCB-1010 = are=20 readily available, and I'll keep them in mind of course.=20

Hal Dean=20 =
=00 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5BA16.FEF8974A-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 15 17:56:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 037723BF5B; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:56:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 12:56:35 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: cornfigurations To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <12689550.1126806995204.JavaMail.root@vms076.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 17:56:40 +0000 (UTC) all this talk of midi pedals.....wow.....since i got home all i have in my "kit" is guitar>rang>alesis "smashup" (compressor)(tanks per!)>alesis Q2, i have the Q2 on a send in my mixer.....the absolut height of simplicity.....it has been fun to rediscover the Q2 without all the ineko/bitrman shananagans and does it sound clean, holy moose!.....it has been forceing me to "compose" more which is always good, imho.....although while i'm looping i'm longingly gazeing at my little babies who all want me to "play" with them....."oh papa let me help you skank a little bit!".....NO.....i will be strong!.....or perhaps not.....:)m http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 15 19:01:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28C973BF8A; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:01:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=eZGWQ7EozN9KlzpVUIf5ZrmaaaSRl4aLqzdoPxkDpCGhfWJK+IkJmAJk6MuufW1p; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200594151955160@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: cornfigurations Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:05:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9404997552e13231c2b694b9b448ab42019350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.128.21 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:01:25 +0000 (UTC) What, no Bitrman anymore? Did it die on you? Tell me more about the Q2, pleeeeeeze. ~Timbus Psychedelicus Mungenastus www.myspace.com/timmungenast www.mungenast.com > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 9/15/2005 1:56:40 PM > Subject: cornfigurations > > all this talk of midi pedals.....wow.....since i got home all i have in my > "kit" is guitar>rang>alesis "smashup" (compressor)(tanks per!)>alesis Q2, i > have the Q2 on a send in my mixer.....the absolut height of simplicity.....it > has been fun to rediscover the Q2 without all the ineko/bitrman shananagans > and does it sound clean, holy moose!.....it has been forceing me to "compose" > more which is always good, imho.....although while i'm looping i'm longingly > gazeing at my little babies who all want me to "play" with them....."oh papa > let me help you skank a little bit!".....NO.....i will be strong!.....or > perhaps not.....:)m > > http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 15 19:56:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01ECF3BEE9; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:56:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 12:56:38 -0800 Subject: anybody know anything about...? From: To: Loop Folk Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:56:39 +0000 (UTC) http://www.backline-eng.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 15 20:06:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6B433BEF9; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:06:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1b3fa175b6812e1f1732614e89f492b8@fuse.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: Re: anybody know anything about...? Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:06:59 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:06:56 +0000 (UTC) wow.. cool box, but the worst demos i've ever heard!!! On Sep 15, 2005, at 4:56 PM, wrote: > http://www.backline-eng.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 15 21:25:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AF313BF2F; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:25:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.201] X-Originating-Email: [jj179subs@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jj179subs@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <1b3fa175b6812e1f1732614e89f492b8@fuse.net> From: "jj 179" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: anybody know anything about...? Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:25:29 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Sep 2005 21:25:29.0978 (UTC) FILETIME=[FF58E5A0:01C5BA3B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 21:25:34 +0000 (UTC) My god, they want $440 for that little thing?! If you're going to have a "stripped down" looper - they even advertize it that way, telling you to buy expensive software if you want to do much more than quick live looping - then they should price it that way. Egad. >From: monk >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: anybody know anything about...? >Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:06:59 -0400 > >wow.. cool box, but the worst demos i've ever heard!!! > > >On Sep 15, 2005, at 4:56 PM, wrote: > >>http://www.backline-eng.com/ >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 15 22:16:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 120123BF1B; Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:16:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: anybody know anything about...? Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:16:21 +0200 Message-ID: <00a401c5ba43$1f8c22e0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: <75TMjC.A.VsF.LLfKDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:16:43 +0000 (UTC) http://www.loopersdelight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_hiliter/LDarchive/200506/msg0046 2.html?line=20#hilite ;) B. > -----Original Message----- > From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] > Sent: Donnerstag, 15. September 2005 22:57 > To: Loop Folk > Subject: anybody know anything about...? > > http://www.backline-eng.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 16 01:57:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03FF93BED6; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 01:57:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=IeL5qqGmJkjNHjay85HWo1z19IG5HUtRiPK3b8hjlqXDcOFNrCF5alNpO1lbK0A4JuhUpBzSok3iveNIKv9gFptgC05XovJegYsrIRWN7tIgqjq9ULmtMC69VKz4rOCVVTDzOw8N/7/Az060a6rBZh80D4I/ZtQvGMYNz3FrYMo= Message-ID: <250b5234050915185745d03202@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 22:57:13 -0300 From: tadeu barboza Reply-To: tbkobna@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: anybody know anything about...? In-Reply-To: <1b3fa175b6812e1f1732614e89f492b8@fuse.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8667_19077513.1126835833009" References: <1b3fa175b6812e1f1732614e89f492b8@fuse.net> Resent-Message-ID: <-UXt5C.A.x4E._ZiKDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 01:57:19 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8667_19077513.1126835833009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I agree! What a shit demos! Maybe they should send one box to each of us an= d=20 we'll send good demos as part exchange :) 440?!! KOBNA BRAZIL. On 9/15/05, monk wrote: >=20 > wow.. cool box, but the worst demos i've ever heard!!! >=20 >=20 > On Sep 15, 2005, at 4:56 PM, wrote: >=20 > > http://www.backline-eng.com/ > > >=20 > ------=_Part_8667_19077513.1126835833009 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I agree!  What a shit demos! Maybe they should send one box to each of us and we'll send good demos as part exchange :)  440?!!

KOBNA BRAZIL.



On 9/15/05, monk <monk@fuse.net>= wrote:
wow.. cool box, but the worst demos i've ever heard!!!


On Sep 15= , 2005, at 4:56 PM, <stanit= arium@earthlink.net> wrote:

> http://www.backline-eng.com/
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------=_Part_8667_19077513.1126835833009-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 16 02:03:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0806F3BEDD; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 02:03:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: ed2d5d12dd5bcf698e33b004e8af3453 Received-SPF: none (ibadan.terra.com.br: 200.176.10.7 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of grob.org) client-ip=200.176.10.7; envelope-from=matthias@grob.org; helo=[10.1.1.6]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: mgrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 15:55:56 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: mp3 tags, please... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 02:03:12 +0000 (UTC) hi sometimes I love to follow the links that come up on LD and listen to the music. Usually I download the files right away. then when I find them later, I dont remember where they come from and usually the file name does not say it and now comes my point: * please fill out some mp3 tags before you upload your music !! * ...so its clear who created it an it comes up organized in our players. easy to do: either piece by piece in the player or with some tool that can do a lot more. On the Mac, I find MP3Rage phantastic. so recently I tried to organize my files (because I got a lot of new ones from Zürich!) and searched the net for the file name who playd "Singularity" please? A quite impressive 18min trip another one I found is DreamWithNoSleeping, aparently by some Tony his site is http://thinginajar.com/bigtony/index.html but there are only title pages, I dont see how to get in! Also a long deep trip I find those long deep pieces very intersting because they tell about serious processes the players go through. I did many of those. I bet they are healing. But hardly heal the listener, I think, only the player... no? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 16 04:53:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A46583BEE2; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 04:53:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6e81989543eeee8b7a9fee0cc0cc4be5@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: mp3 tags, please... Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 23:53:51 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 04:53:53 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 15, 2005, at 1:55 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > sometimes I love to follow the links that come up on LD and listen to > the music. Usually I download the files right away. > then when I find them later, I dont remember where they come from and > usually the file name does not say it i too have downloaded alot of cool music from fellow listmembers, of not only this list but also Analogue Heaven, and all of the tracks in my iTunes library which were not properly tagged, even though there was some good music there, were deleated a month or so ago. so be kind, and let us know it's your music we're listening to! --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 16 07:47:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB9B93BEF0; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 07:47:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YGppMnJFYA4QhpVWRpr1feL9nEmb1iyb2QLkQIeEK7e49CXBcnqteL9UbpjC3gNi8EqnmXEsl9GurL0njLHI9Xdg6dsYWbv3AYf5czWna5C1rv3SvqISFdXsZq1RlbFXHfG1xXi14ix8Hb6Ykp1guayy3/5VrEnVFCKWaFuGfHs= ; Message-ID: <20050916074658.36202.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:46:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: anybody know anything about...? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1b3fa175b6812e1f1732614e89f492b8@fuse.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 07:47:01 +0000 (UTC) looks more like a box for corporate loopers with suit and ties! > wow.. cool box, but the worst demos i've ever > heard!!! > > > On Sep 15, 2005, at 4:56 PM, > wrote: > > > http://www.backline-eng.com/ > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 16 08:29:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 852C33BEF1; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:29:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:34:23 +0200 Subject: Re: EDP SUS Multiply is phantastic From: Andreas Willers To: LD to post Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3209711663_94718_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 08:29:51 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3209711663_94718_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Kim wrote: So we came up with the idea of redefining the loop length as you add to it with Multiply. This is exactly the (well, one of the) superior points in working with the EDP! And it's really easy and intuitive. Case in point: I caught a bad flu last week and had to last through three feaverish gigs on the weekend (two involved loopage), hardly being able to soundcheck. While it is certainly extra stress when you are performing a solo looping show compared to a concert with a band (noone to back you up plus the darn button-pressing-syndrome) the EDP really pulled me through: since I was really not feeling well I left out some of the more complex tunes involving precise layers of forward/reverse, loop windowing etc., stuck to my two favorite presets (the glitchy one with SUS multiply and SUS Insert and a straight, 'classic' one) and was able to make some nice, interesting music for me and the audience without too much of ostinatos-with-noodling-on-top. The EDP behaved like a musical partner (well, almost) on stage, supportive and easy going when I needed it. At one point, while thinking (if anything at all) "what should I play now?" all of a sudden a a grooy 7/8 out of a scratch noise sound on the strings emerged by means of SUS Multiply and off we went. That's the mark of a great instrument. THANK YOU, AURISIS, FOR GIVING US LOOP IV!!! Cheers, Andreas --MS_Mac_OE_3209711663_94718_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: EDP SUS Multiply is phantastic Kim wrote: So we came up with the idea of
redefining the loop length as you add to it with Multiply.

This is exactly the (well, one of the) superior points in working with the = EDP! And it's really easy and intuitive. Case in point: I caught a bad flu l= ast week and had to last through three feaverish gigs on the weekend (two in= volved loopage), hardly being able to soundcheck.

While it is certainly extra stress when you are performing a solo looping s= how compared to a concert with a band (noone to back you up plus the darn bu= tton-pressing-syndrome) the EDP really pulled me through: since I was really= not feeling well I left out some of the more complex tunes involving precis= e layers of forward/reverse, loop windowing etc., stuck to my two favorite p= resets (the glitchy one with SUS multiply and SUS Insert and a straight, 'cl= assic' one) and was able to make some nice, interesting music for me and the= audience without too much of ostinatos-with-noodling-on-top. The EDP behave= d like a musical partner (well, almost) on stage, supportive and easy going = when I needed it. At one point, while thinking (if anything at all) "wh= at should I play now?" all of a sudden a a grooy 7/8 out of a scratch n= oise sound on the strings emerged by means of SUS Multiply and off we went. = That's the mark of a great instrument. THANK YOU, AURISIS, FOR GIVING US LOO= P IV!!!

Cheers, Andreas=20 --MS_Mac_OE_3209711663_94718_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 16 09:58:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 560BC3BEF3; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:58:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005a01c5baa5$311c8510$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: anybody know anything about...? Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:58:28 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:58:37 +0000 (UTC) I have to admit that for $440 they could have better foot switches at least. Of course the demos can't be looped properly without loading into a recorder-looper program either. This is a wait-and-see thing here. From: "jj 179" > My god, they want $440 for that little thing?! > > If you're going to have a "stripped down" looper - they even advertize it > that way, telling you to buy expensive software if you want to do much > more than quick live looping - then they should price it that way. Egad. > > > >>From: monk >>Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: Re: anybody know anything about...? >>Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 16:06:59 -0400 >> >>wow.. cool box, but the worst demos i've ever heard!!! >> >> >>On Sep 15, 2005, at 4:56 PM, wrote: >> >>>http://www.backline-eng.com/ >>> >> > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 16 11:44:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F0003BEFE; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:44:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Interesting article on experimental music Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 05:44:01 -0600 Message-ID: <003a01c5bab3$f1dd4650$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01C5BA81.A742D650" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 3, First 160, in=457, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:44:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C5BA81.A742D650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Interesting article on experimental music, its viability, homemade > instruments, laptop music, etc, etc.. > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/15/AR2005 > 091500550.html > > From the Electric Possible website: > > Media Alert--Media Alert--Media Alert--Media Alert--Media Alert > "The monthly Electric Possible gathering is all about words that end > in -al--particularly 'experimental,' 'accidental,' 'improvisational,' > and 'irrational'...The noise is a community thing, made by a network > of artists who thrive on the freedom to explore emotional spontaneity, > social rebellion, and psychedelic escapism, without the hippie > aftertaste." --Joe Warminsky, Washington City Paper (Feb 4, City > Lights) http://www.panicresearch.com/el_ethno.html > Anyone near George Wasshington University checking this out? > > K- > > ********************************************************************** > ************************ > Krispen Hartung > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 > Subscribe to email list: krispenhartung-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Performance Calendar: > http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Har > tung > > ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C5BA81.A742D650 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interesting article on experimental music

Interesting = article on experimental music, its viability, homemade instruments, = laptop music, etc, etc..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/= 09/15/AR2005091500550.html

From the Electric = Possible website:

Media Alert--Media Alert--Media Alert--Media = Alert--Media Alert
"The monthly Electric Possible gathering is all about words = that end in -al--particularly 'experimental,' 'accidental,' = 'improvisational,' and 'irrational'...The noise is a community thing, = made by a network of artists who thrive on the freedom to explore = emotional spontaneity, social rebellion, and psychedelic escapism, = without the hippie aftertaste." --Joe Warminsky, Washington City = Paper (Feb 4, City Lights)  http://www.panicresearch.com/el_ethno.html

Anyone near George = Wasshington University checking this out?

K-

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http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603
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------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C5BA81.A742D650-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 16 14:02:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA9393BF19; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:02:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003b01c5bac7$40301b80$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: mp3 tags, please... Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:57:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:02:16 +0000 (UTC) > who playd "Singularity" please? A quite impressive 18min trip > That would be me. And thanks for mentioning about the tags. I am bad about filling them out. > another one I found is DreamWithNoSleeping, aparently by some Tony > his site is http://thinginajar.com/bigtony/index.html > but there are only title pages, I dont see how to get in! > Also a long deep trip Me again! :) Try http://www.thinginajar.com/bigtony/music.htm Although, not everything is on there. Another task for me this weekend. :) Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 16 14:43:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F9783BF1B; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:43:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=O++GP1GCpyIL9jaLyAD+70kBeWmJMYp8kOC6EBQ4vsisGsrdJ4NFvYCBkShDw0TAMMT7MFVnTKVagXkXPIrWybfmsaGK+yFQwgp4fnenn4cCYiwzgTNCdaeG0JFiyruoUpUZB7L6YRmyH1lL0HTe/BQflIK8q7nB0GVWedKqaSs= ; Message-ID: <20050916144348.7425.qmail@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 07:43:48 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hansen Subject: OT-art/ "physically represented"?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050916045354.1F7283BEEC@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1534451197-1126881828=:5885" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-XMJX.A.IZG.motKDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:43:50 +0000 (UTC) --0-1534451197-1126881828=:5885 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit late post to this, someone wrote: "art must be physically represented to be called art." actually not so. the ideas of duchamp in the 19-teens was that he wanted to return the ideas of art to the realm of the mind and away from the realm of visual sensation (he was responding to the ideas of modern art at that time: impressionism, post-impressionism, expressionism, early cubism,etc). i believe that he quit painting altogether in the late teens (maybe 1919, can't remember exactly) and focused on his ideas of the ready-made. and his ideas were of course adapted/used for the 60's movement of conceptualism, which had the intent of moving away entirely from the idea of the "art object" and the idea of putting things in museums/galleries, but again the idea was to focus entirely on the idea of "idea", or "information". a lot of conceptualism focused on the process of "process itself" or on documenting process, etc., 2 movements that also developed concurrently w/ this was the fluxus movement, which was also a strain of anti-art, similar to the dada movment after WWI, and the other was "earth art", the idea of again removing art from the confines of gallery/museum and out in the world. it should be pointed out that both dada & fluxus used sound, performance, theatre aspects that were not "object oriented". i also remember frank zappa talking about his solos as "sound sculptures". and in the realm of music, sure there is physical objectness of cd/tape/record, printed music, but music itself has no physical-ness to it, it is sound waves/sensation that we hear...i remember reading an article that most music from the 20th century is "electronic music" , being that we experience it from listening to recorded source, and not live.... end of my 2 cents..... s---- --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-1534451197-1126881828=:5885 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

late post to this, someone wrote:

"art must be physically represented to be called art."

actually not so. the ideas of duchamp in the 19-teens was that he wanted to return the ideas of art to the realm of the mind and away from the realm of visual sensation (he was responding to the ideas of modern art at that time: impressionism, post-impressionism, expressionism, early cubism,etc). i believe that he quit painting altogether in the late teens (maybe 1919, can't remember exactly) and focused on his ideas of the ready-made.

and his ideas were of course adapted/used for the 60's movement of conceptualism, which had the intent of moving away entirely from the idea of the "art object" and the idea of putting things in museums/galleries, but again the idea was to focus entirely on the idea of "idea", or "information". a lot of conceptualism focused on the process of "process itself" or on documenting process, etc., 2 movements that also developed concurrently w/ this was the fluxus movement, which was also a strain of anti-art, similar to the dada movment after WWI, and the other was "earth art", the idea of again removing art from the confines of gallery/museum and out in the world. it should be pointed out that both dada & fluxus used sound, performance, theatre aspects that were not "object oriented".

i also remember frank zappa talking about his solos as "sound sculptures".

and in the realm of music, sure there is physical objectness of cd/tape/record, printed music, but music itself has no physical-ness to it, it is sound waves/sensation that we hear...i remember reading an article that most music from the 20th century is "electronic music" , being that we experience it from listening to recorded source, and not live....

end of my 2 cents.....

s----

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Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-1534451197-1126881828=:5885-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 16 17:17:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9EA43BF18; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:17:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.1.0 From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: Previous Festivals Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 19:17:39 +0200 Message-ID: <006d01c5bae2$8e0848d0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:17:58 +0000 (UTC) Dear list members On the site http://loopfestival.com in the section "Links to Previous Loopfestivals", there's a list of previous looping festivals. Per Boysen notified me that the "1st Swedish Looping Festival 2003" was missing. If = you see any other festival missing or one that you know a URL for, please = let me know and I'll update this section. Thank you Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 16 17:26:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 891A03BF18; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:26:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <6e81989543eeee8b7a9fee0cc0cc4be5@suitandtieguy.com> References: <6e81989543eeee8b7a9fee0cc0cc4be5@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6-407970556 Message-Id: From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: gig spam: malibu Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:25:42 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:26:11 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6-407970556 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed This is a bit last minute, but Sunday October 18, Lives of the Saints (Ronan Chris Murphy with Bill Forth) will be performing a looping/soundscapes in an empty swimming pool on a cliff overlooking the pacific ocean. Who could pass up a chance to see two guys from Fripp's old soundscapes road crew droning away in a swimming pool while eating Bar-B-Cue? This is a private event but we are allowed to invite guests, so if you are in So Cal and you think this might be interesting write me offline for directions etc. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) --Apple-Mail-6-407970556 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII This is a bit last minute, but Sunday October 18, Lives of the Saints (Ronan Chris Murphy with Bill Forth) will be performing a looping/soundscapes in an empty swimming pool on a cliff overlooking the pacific ocean. Who could pass up a chance to see two guys from Fripp's old soundscapes road crew droning away in a swimming pool while eating Bar-B-Cue? This is a private event but we are allowed to invite guests, so if you are in So Cal and you think this might be interesting write me offline for directions etc. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) --Apple-Mail-6-407970556-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 16 17:31:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C0013BF1D; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:31:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=R9sRaRXQa2PlXS+Mm3SfOg0LxMmBcaI6D41/acnlfwNenLZFN3QEo4CBeIlP3JOm/XATm7mhMT/e6n4/R1iu+PbI9VvISvL0jqwrjYnXY+k9HyWiFawIBm4vzHICxNrUwpo1C5fjbHhlT6j+KThjgGObx98CekLGsHloUXKw+b4= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 10:31:12 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: travishartnett@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: gig spam: malibu In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <6e81989543eeee8b7a9fee0cc0cc4be5@suitandtieguy.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:31:14 +0000 (UTC) Notice for an October 18th would be well in advance, for September 18th (this Sunday), a little less so. On 9/16/05, Ronan Chris Murphy wrote: > This is a bit last minute, but Sunday October 18, Lives of the Saints > (Ronan Chris Murphy with Bill Forth) will be performing a > looping/soundscapes in an empty swimming pool on a cliff overlooking > the pacific ocean. Who could pass up a chance to see two guys from > Fripp's old soundscapes road crew droning away in a swimming pool while > eating Bar-B-Cue? >=20 > This is a private event but we are allowed to invite guests, so if you > are in So Cal and you think this might be interesting write me offline > for directions etc. >=20 >=20 > Ronan Chris Murphy > www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, > Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) > www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the > art and craft of recording ) > www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & > Cher) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 16 18:18:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 458823BF1C; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 18:18:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: <6e81989543eeee8b7a9fee0cc0cc4be5@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3A62F4BE-26DE-11DA-974F-000A95722F48@venetowest.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: Re: gig spam: malibu - correctioin Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:18:06 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <-6ivcC.A.uUH.4xwKDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 18:18:33 +0000 (UTC) Travis you are absolutely correct!!! SEPTEMBER 18 as in a couple days from now. > Notice for an October 18th would be well in advance, for September > 18th (this Sunday), a little less so. > > On 9/16/05, Ronan Chris Murphy wrote: >> This is a bit last minute, but Sunday October 18, Lives of the Saints >> (Ronan Chris Murphy with Bill Forth) will be performing a >> looping/soundscapes in an empty swimming pool on a cliff overlooking >> the pacific ocean. Who could pass up a chance to see two guys from >> Fripp's old soundscapes road crew droning away in a swimming pool >> while >> eating Bar-B-Cue? >> >> This is a private event but we are allowed to invite guests, so if you >> are in So Cal and you think this might be interesting write me offline >> for directions etc. >> >> >> Ronan Chris Murphy >> www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, >> Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) >> www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the >> art and craft of recording ) >> www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & >> Cher) >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 16 18:37:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35C1F3BF24; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 18:37:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <006d01c5bae2$8e0848d0$2101a8c0@alhambra> References: <006d01c5bae2$8e0848d0$2101a8c0@alhambra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <29379f5bf66a717bf3393f0b728de1b6@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: Previous Festivals Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:44:48 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Bernhard Wagner LD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: <4Ct3C.A.m9H.7DxKDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 18:37:48 +0000 (UTC) The "Mid'Lantic Loop Show" held in Philadelphia in 1997. This was set up/ organized by Jim Speer (Stick player / Loopist w/ "Broadside Electric") and heavily promoted/ reviewed on "Loopers Delight" at the time. Performers included Charles Cohen (Buchla Sound Easel-Phila.), "Fingerpaint" (guitar/loop duo-Wash. DC), "Emergence of Man" (Stick/loopist-ie: me, guitar, percussion- NJ), and 2/3 other acts (sorry I can't remember their names - might be in the archives), all united by "Loopers Delight" membership. While not an international event, it did come about because of "Loopers Delight" and may have been the first official "LoopShow" that was a result of the communication/ networking that LD supported. - Paul PS: if needed I can try to get a hold of Jim Speer for particulars - I recently moved to Evergreen, CO so give me couple days to contact him back east - if needed. On Sep 16, 2005, at 11:17 AM, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > Dear list members > > On the site http://loopfestival.com in the section "Links to Previous > Loopfestivals", there's a list of previous looping festivals. Per > Boysen > notified me that the "1st Swedish Looping Festival 2003" was missing. > If you > see any other festival missing or one that you know a URL for, please > let me > know and I'll update this section. > > Thank you > Bernhard > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 16 18:51:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D58C73BF22; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 18:51:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0WSibAT7kIK93zj6FM770nVvvDBQSQ3LFMBnO0Rju2K4jCP/OAl/yi6SHb5HzfMGCS9EwrjneFZzplkoV4SHh8N65LD6Od7GuJV2W49wYdJrK0QwGCKv1PaEfG4sRGpf8FJ/q4ZP7MFNtARO/45xBKNV7uoIRiZroVDjGPTXOSw= ; Message-ID: <20050916185117.74064.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:51:17 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: (OT a bit) Softsampler advice To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050422150945.97808.qmail@web20428.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <3FDg2C.A.8f.nQxKDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 18:51:19 +0000 (UTC) Last night I had one of the most productive evenings of making music I've had in quite some time. I did it by abandoning my two "grooveboxes" (an E-MU XL-7 and a Korg Electribe ESX-1) in favor of using my computer running Digital Performer in conjunction with a Native Instruments BATTERY 2 demo. It was really liberating being able to create beats so quickly and arrange them into a song like structure without even having to stop the sequencer to quantize parts, all the time my Repeater chasing along. The Battery 2 Demo had some great kits that inspired some traditional stuff as well as quirky weird stuff to. FUN. I'd been resisting the siren call of the computer for this type of music for a long time... not even sure why. In other aspects of my life I've done things like sold all my oil paint and brushes to buy Painter and a Wacom tablet. I've probably spent so many years working in music stores dealing with hardware sequencers/drummachines that it just feels comfortable. No more. Like a comfortable old shoe that's just not supporting your new rock climbing sport, I'm going to move up the technology chain. I'm still going to keep my Command Station because it's still kick ass for making a quick beat and a good interface, but man am I not going to compose or lug that sucker around any longer. I thought the sound of Battery was as good if not better than my E-MU's ROM samples. LONG cymbals. MMmm mmm good. So here's my question: Battery? Is that the thing for me? Should I try something more robust like Kontakt? Mach 5? Sampletank. I still plan on using hardware synths for a lot of my sound so my main use for this would be drums and bass to support my guitar and synth loops. I'm running a Mac so it would need to be OSX compatable and work with DIgital Performer 4.6. (MAS or AU's would be fine) What say ye? Mark __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 16 19:15:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DA4D3BF1D; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 19:15:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=e0gtQEtdTrjoK6OYWtHsi/NZ6Xiq34EDHht6/1NsJuREh1UYw4xvvgrlbn1eG56V90TpV+Qzk/gUMnnj/Z9hwq3S/XcMnyUlosZ+Cjl1gfGd5Y83iv18/Jfw0vyMYAV9RdUWaSpkXw7B+oRQ2T/cr/tax0Rq+U0DGsIAaXDXfR4= Message-ID: <588ce11d050916121548f58ca@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 12:15:55 -0700 From: Art Simon Reply-To: simart@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (OT a bit) Softsampler advice In-Reply-To: <20050916185117.74064.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050422150945.97808.qmail@web20428.mail.yahoo.com> <20050916185117.74064.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 19:15:57 +0000 (UTC) Don't know if it's what you are looking for, but I use Loopazoid http://www.kvraudio.com/get/55.html It's a simpler (free!) version of Battery. Both Mac and PC versions, though I'm not sure if it is OSX. The gating is nice. I built a tabla kit, and the right hand strokes cut each other off without affecting the left hand strokes. Multiple Outputs. I'm real happy with it. On 9/16/05, mark sottilaro wrote: > Last night I had one of the most productive evenings > of making music I've had in quite some time. I did it > by abandoning my two "grooveboxes" (an E-MU XL-7 and a > Korg Electribe ESX-1) in favor of using my computer > running Digital Performer in conjunction with a Native > Instruments BATTERY 2 demo. It was really liberating > being able to create beats so quickly and arrange them > into a song like structure without even having to stop > the sequencer to quantize parts, all the time my > Repeater chasing along. The Battery 2 Demo had some > great kits that inspired some traditional stuff as > well as quirky weird stuff to. FUN. >=20 > I'd been resisting the siren call of the computer for > this type of music for a long time... not even sure > why. In other aspects of my life I've done things > like sold all my oil paint and brushes to buy Painter > and a Wacom tablet. I've probably spent so many years > working in music stores dealing with hardware > sequencers/drummachines that it just feels > comfortable. >=20 > No more. Like a comfortable old shoe that's just not > supporting your new rock climbing sport, I'm going to > move up the technology chain. I'm still going to keep > my Command Station because it's still kick ass for > making a quick beat and a good interface, but man am I > not going to compose or lug that sucker around any > longer. I thought the sound of Battery was as good if > not better than my E-MU's ROM samples. LONG cymbals. > MMmm mmm good. >=20 > So here's my question: Battery? Is that the thing > for me? Should I try something more robust like > Kontakt? Mach 5? Sampletank. I still plan on using > hardware synths for a lot of my sound so my main use > for this would be drums and bass to support my guitar > and synth loops. I'm running a Mac so it would need > to be OSX compatable and work with DIgital Performer > 4.6. (MAS or AU's would be fine) >=20 > What say ye? >=20 > Mark >=20 >=20 >=20 > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com >=20 >=20 --=20 Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 16 19:21:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 709A13BF1E; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 19:21:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <20050916185117.74064.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050916185117.74064.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <828F1FB4-7AE8-4B6B-BFCB-61D3713FC0AC@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: (OT a bit) Softsampler advice Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 21:21:15 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: <7npvkD.A.d4B.vsxKDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 19:21:19 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 16, 2005, at 20:51, mark sottilaro wrote: > Should I try something more robust like > Kontakt? Mach 5? Sampletank. A while back I picked up Kontakt 2. It seems to be the best sampler to get. I bought it to use its surround functions but I wasn't able to squash it into the deadline for the DVD project music I'm working on. So I have only had a little time to check it out. But it rocks from what I see! I have a lot of experience from ESX24 in Logic and also hardware samplers from AKAI (I once produced an entire album with AKAI samplers, ADAT tapes and ATARI computers). There are starting to pop up review now, on Kontakt 2, and if you do a web search you may find out more. Please mail me back if you want me to send over the Kontakt 2 PDF manual, if you want to read up on what it can do. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 16 20:51:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FE233BF0B; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:51:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <014601c5bb00$6c473fd0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: 1st Looping Festival Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:51:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:51:34 +0000 (UTC) Paul wrote: " The "Mid'Lantic Loop Show" held in Philadelphia in 1997.......... while not an international event, it did come about because of "Loopers Delight" and may have been the first official "LoopShow" that was a result of the communication/ networking that LD supported." Cool, Paul, ........and to think that I had naively thought I had produced the first looping festival with the Bass Looping Festival in 2000 at the Rio Theatre in Santa Cruz to coincide with Steve Lawson's first visit to Santa Cruz. Thanks for setting the record straight. Michael Klobuchar's Chain Tape project could also be thought of as a multiple artist looping event. It just wasn't in real time but it also came about because of the L.D. community. What year did that begin, Scoots? Also, if memory serves, I did promote a monthly live looping gig (that was specifically called a live looping gig) at Mobo Sushi in late 1995 and 1996 in Santa Cruz with Bill Walker, Gary Regina and myself (all playing with synchronized and brand new Lexicon Jammans) but it was not, technically, a looping festival. We were learning how to loop live as we played at that gig......................lol. Have you guys thought of producing another festival? It seems like the East Coast is fairly bereft of official looping events although I know that Peter Koniuto (where are you Pedro?) produced a looping festival in Boston and there was a weekly looping series for a while in New York City. Also, I know that Michael Klobuchar is planning an East Coast International LIve Looping festival for sometime in 2006. I can't wait for that one and am saving up plane fare as we speak. thanks for your illuminating post, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 16 20:59:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC0F93BF11; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:59:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NsaVAQ3Z2G3aIUu+cfC3HmIckDklMT/E9d/flFzK02P+a1qVdyp1GU1YXzLK6fdM8ynEBpuiIAUqg3p5YndtPsYSWdK9ne9I1R/XCXL7GwJU2nyPkBUCOwwFVDPotRKeBQpYDqascxVAb+R8GGjRKHoOhL3KJC2fLuiZXwm82yU= ; Message-ID: <20050916205933.73950.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:59:33 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: (OT a bit) Softsampler advice To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <828F1FB4-7AE8-4B6B-BFCB-61D3713FC0AC@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:59:34 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Per! I'm looking at a demo of Kontakt 2 now... seems like it might be overkill for what I'm after at this time. Mark --- Per Boysen wrote: > On Sep 16, 2005, at 20:51, mark sottilaro wrote: > > > Should I try something more robust like > > Kontakt? Mach 5? Sampletank. > > > A while back I picked up Kontakt 2. It seems to be > the best sampler > to get. I bought it to use its surround functions > but I wasn't able > to squash it into the deadline for the DVD project > music I'm working > on. So I have only had a little time to check it > out. But it rocks > from what I see! I have a lot of experience from > ESX24 in Logic and > also hardware samplers from AKAI (I once produced an > entire album > with AKAI samplers, ADAT tapes and ATARI computers). > > There are starting to pop up review now, on Kontakt > 2, and if you do > a web search you may find out more. Please mail me > back if you want > me to send over the Kontakt 2 PDF manual, if you > want to read up on > what it can do. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 16 21:05:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCBE93BF0F; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 21:05:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <20050916144348.7425.qmail@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050916144348.7425.qmail@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT-art/ "physically represented"?? Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 23:05:22 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 21:05:26 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 16, 2005, at 16:43, scott hansen wrote: > and in the realm of music, sure there is physical objectness of cd/ > tape/record, printed music, but music itself has no physical-ness > to it, it is sound waves/sensation that we hear... Try tasting the thought of "music being time"! Or more explicit a shape of, a way to give form to, the flow of time. Time that is too often not noticed at all by us humans and for many other animals not existing. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 16 21:24:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97FB23BF0E; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 21:24:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2515.69.59.207.172.1126906236.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <20050916205933.73950.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> References: <828F1FB4-7AE8-4B6B-BFCB-61D3713FC0AC@boysen.se> <20050916205933.73950.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:30:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: (OT a bit) Softsampler advice From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <-1-2k.A.wbG.cgzKDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 21:24:44 +0000 (UTC) > Thanks Per! I'm looking at a demo of Kontakt 2 now... > seems like it might be overkill for what I'm after at > this time. > > Mark If Kontakt is overkill for your needs, you might look into Kompakt, their scaled-down sampler VSTi. I run it on my windows laptop for most of the "conventional" keybaord sounds, ie, rhodes, wurli, hammond, etc, on our gigs, and it works great. I run it in Ableton Live, it's stable, samples load fast (much faster than EXS24 on my mac), overall, it's been great. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 16 21:36:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D50C63BF1A; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 21:36:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: gig spam: malibu Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 14:36:48 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C5BACC.11CF9A40" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <09pE5B.A.L8H.yrzKDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 21:36:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C5BACC.11CF9A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I sure hope you tape the affair, that sound awesome. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Ronan Chris Murphy [mailto:looper@venetowest.com] Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 10:26 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: gig spam: malibu This is a bit last minute, but Sunday October 18, Lives of the Saints (Ronan Chris Murphy with Bill Forth) will be performing a looping/soundscapes in an empty swimming pool on a cliff overlooking the pacific ocean. Who could pass up a chance to see two guys from Fripp's old soundscapes road crew droning away in a swimming pool while eating Bar-B-Cue? This is a private event but we are allowed to invite guests, so if you are in So Cal and you think this might be interesting write me offline for directions etc. Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C5BACC.11CF9A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I sure=20 hope you tape the affair, that sound awesome.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Ronan Chris Murphy = [mailto:looper@venetowest.com]
Sent: Friday, September 16, = 2005=20 10:26 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 gig spam: malibu

This is a bit last minute, but = Sunday=20 October 18, Lives of the Saints (Ronan Chris Murphy with Bill = Forth)=20 will be performing a looping/soundscapes in an empty swimming pool on = a cliff=20 overlooking the pacific ocean. Who could pass up a chance to see two = guys from=20 Fripp's old soundscapes road crew droning away in a swimming pool = while eating=20 Bar-B-Cue?

This is a private event but we are allowed to invite = guests,=20 so if you are in So Cal and you think this might be interesting write = me=20 offline for directions etc.


Ronan Chris=20 Murphy
www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, = Chucho=20 Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, = CGT...)
www.homerecordingbootcamp.com=20 (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording=20 )
www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since = Sonny &=20 Cher)
------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C5BACC.11CF9A40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 16 21:45:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B7B03BF0B; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 21:45:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20050916144348.7425.qmail@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-423523995 Message-Id: <1d5a1de8d54f33badf71076c3c2d85f9@bartholomusic.com> From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: OT-art/ "physically represented"?? Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:44:55 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 66.226.64.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 21:45:10 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-423523995 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed scott doesnt realise that AIR is a physical entity. sound is a wave of pressure pulses and is as real as we are....also waves on the "ether". so as long as we accept that the things we see and touch as "real" and "physical" then thats the platform the discussion/debate is based upon. lets not falter our foundation. ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 16, 2005, at 4:05 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Sep 16, 2005, at 16:43, scott hansen wrote: >> and in the realm of music, sure there is physical objectness of >> cd/tape/record, printed music, but music itself has no physical-ness >> to it, it is sound waves/sensation that we hear... > > Try tasting the thought of "music being time"! Or more explicit a > shape of, a way to give form to, the flow of time. Time that is too > often not noticed at all by us humans and for many other animals not > existing. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > --Apple-Mail-2-423523995 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII scott doesnt realise that AIR is a physical entity. sound is a wave of pressure pulses and is as real as we are....also waves on the "ether". so as long as we accept that the things we see and touch as "real" and "physical" then thats the platform the discussion/debate is based upon. lets not falter our foundation. ___7979,0404,0909 Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 16, 2005, at 4:05 PM, Per Boysen wrote: On Sep 16, 2005, at 16:43, scott hansen wrote: and in the realm of music, sure there is physical objectness of cd/tape/record, printed music, but music itself has no physical-ness to it, it is sound waves/sensation that we hear... Try tasting the thought of "music being time"! Or more explicit a shape of, a way to give form to, the flow of time. Time that is too often not noticed at all by us humans and for many other animals not existing. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen --Apple-Mail-2-423523995-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 16 22:41:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 374C53BF13; Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:41:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 16:41:15 -0600 Message-Id: <200509162241.j8GMfFx06490@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: "Loop" Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Modeling tech X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.19.192 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:41:19 +0000 (UTC) I'm sure some of you have already seen this but for those who haven't its a pretty interesting idea http://www.coe.berkeley.edu/labnotes/0905/bruyns.html Kevin How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 17 00:01:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F0973BEEC; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 00:01:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 19:01:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: 1st Looping Festival To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <15718905.1126915260417.JavaMail.root@vms063.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 00:01:05 +0000 (UTC) >Michael Klobuchar's Chain Tape project could also be thought of as a >multiple artist looping event. It just wasn't in real time but it also came >about because of the L.D. community. What year did that begin, Scoots? MISTER SCOOTS to you young man.....:).....APRIL 1, 1999.....also, as rickeeee sez, i am thinking about getting a NORTH EAST INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING FEST together, i wasn't going to mention it till i had done some perliminary work around venue/funding/living quarters.....i guess first things first, is there any interest around such a fest?, PITTSBURGH would be a pretty central location for the N. EAST and the MID-WEST, WASHINGTON, MARYLAND etc. are all near by.....look at your map.....this will take place in the latter part of 2006 (this is just conjecture, the date is wide open albeit next year).....PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF THERE IS INTEREST.....i would love to meet some eastern homies.....mic http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 17 00:06:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F06D3BEEC; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 00:06:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 19:06:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: yo yo yo wolfman eh? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <12677641.1126915604805.JavaMail.root@vms063.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 00:06:45 +0000 (UTC) >From: Per Boysen Time that is too >often not noticed at all by us humans and for many other animals not >existing. yo per.....how do you know about those "other animals".....i know ducks are not included!.....:)mic http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 17 00:47:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9A4B3BEF9; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 00:47:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:53:15 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: 1st Looping Festival To: Message-id: <000601c5bb22$304c0de0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <15718905.1126915260417.JavaMail.root@vms063.mailsrvcs.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 00:47:55 +0000 (UTC) Hmmm... In Boston, I was organizing looping-based events at the Middle East Downstairs under the name "The Loopers' Collective" starting in 1998 and running through 2000. I think we did about six or seven of them. We also did one in Rhode Island. Over several different events instrumentation included theremin, violin, bass, voice, diggeri-doo, marimba, keyboards, drums, guitar, chain-saws, band-saws, flute, video-games, hammer-dulcimer, trumpet, a small chamber orchestra, and turntables. There came a time when people seemed to be coming out of the wood work, finding me and asking to be on these events. I mention this because NONE of the people who participated and who each were loopers for several years at that point had ever heard on Loopers-Delight. They still aren't. This is a great list-group, but it represents only a very very small fraction of the "loopers" out there. The shows great fun to witness. And mostly fun to organize. :-) David Kirkdorffer ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 8:01 PM Subject: Re: 1st Looping Festival > >Michael Klobuchar's Chain Tape project could also be thought of as a > >multiple artist looping event. It just wasn't in real time but it also came > >about because of the L.D. community. What year did that begin, Scoots? > > MISTER SCOOTS to you young man.....:).....APRIL 1, 1999.....also, as rickeeee > sez, i am thinking about getting a NORTH EAST INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING FEST > together, i wasn't going to mention it till i had done some perliminary work > around venue/funding/living quarters.....i guess first things first, is there > any interest around such a fest?, PITTSBURGH would be a pretty central > location for the N. EAST and the MID-WEST, WASHINGTON, MARYLAND etc. are all > near by.....look at your map.....this will take place in the latter part of > 2006 (this is just conjecture, the date is wide open albeit next > year).....PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF THERE IS INTEREST.....i would love to meet > some eastern homies.....mic > > http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 17 00:49:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F5CC3BEF7; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 00:49:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 86c4a38eda47a8d5211ddc91c5844444 Received-SPF: none (bugala.terra.com.br: 200.176.10.11 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of grob.org) client-ip=200.176.10.11; envelope-from=matthias@grob.org; helo=[10.1.1.6]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 19:27:14 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re:EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 00:49:08 +0000 (UTC) >>>,now >>>i want to find a little (non synth) effect that will >>>turn my guitar into a bass,what do u use? I recently tested that one in a shop: http://filters.muziq.be/model/ebs/octabass it really works when you play several strings Good old Paradis Polysubbass is now made as a SMD PCB (and called PolyBass). It easily fits into a guitar, so once you have single string pickups, that might be the best solution! I will put up a picture the next days... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 17 02:55:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E30203BEF7; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 02:55:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:55:29 -0400 From: Erland Subject: Re: 1st Looping Festival In-reply-to: <15718905.1126915260417.JavaMail.root@vms063.mailsrvcs.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <15718905.1126915260417.JavaMail.root@vms063.mailsrvcs.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 02:55:36 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 16, 2005, at 8:01 PM, wrote: > , i am thinking about getting a NORTH EAST INTERNATIONAL LIVE > LOOPING FEST > together, i wasn't going to mention it till i had done some > perliminary work > around venue/funding/living quarters.....i guess first things > first, is there > any interest around such a fest?, > New York would be nice. If people bring their EDPs and share we could probably have a huge "brother sync". ----------------------------------------------------- erland http://www.erlandonline.com http://www.myspace.com/erland From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 17 05:17:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A48253BEF1; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 05:17:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Previous Festivals Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 22:17:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcW7FKtxF9NqqNqaT1ylyXPteZZAAQAMiQDA In-Reply-To: <00c701c5bb14$a3c601d0$2101a8c0@alhambra> Message-Id: <20050917051707.ELTN2438.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 05:17:10 +0000 (UTC) LA LOOP FESTE I > Thursday, June 28, 2001 > Doors open at 7pm > 359 East Magnolia St > Suite E > Burbank, CA 91501 This one featured Steve Lawson, Andre La Fosse and monk--the guy from Over the Rhine. It was held in a lab space located upstairs from Tony Moore, OTR's bass player and fragrance chemist. He hadn't moved the test tubes in yet! Haven't heard from him in a while . . . http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=moore%3 Bfest%3Blawson&errors=0&maxfiles=50&maxlines=10&.cgifields=lineonly&.cgifiel ds=restricttofiles&.cgifields=filelist&.cgifields=partial&.cgifields=case From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 17 07:09:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB2963BEEC; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:09:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: 1st Looping Festival Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 00:09:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <15718905.1126915260417.JavaMail.root@vms063.mailsrvcs.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:09:17 +0000 (UTC) I'd play Pittsburgh, but only on condition that I get to hang with the Scootmeister, but I'm from the left coast, will you let a blue state guy like me me in to your home? Or near your pets or grand children? Bill -----Original Message----- From: nemoguitt@verizon.net [mailto:nemoguitt@verizon.net] Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 5:01 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 1st Looping Festival >Michael Klobuchar's Chain Tape project could also be thought of as a >multiple artist looping event. It just wasn't in real time but it also came >about because of the L.D. community. What year did that begin, Scoots? MISTER SCOOTS to you young man.....:).....APRIL 1, 1999.....also, as rickeeee sez, i am thinking about getting a NORTH EAST INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING FEST together, i wasn't going to mention it till i had done some perliminary work around venue/funding/living quarters.....i guess first things first, is there any interest around such a fest?, PITTSBURGH would be a pretty central location for the N. EAST and the MID-WEST, WASHINGTON, MARYLAND etc. are all near by.....look at your map.....this will take place in the latter part of 2006 (this is just conjecture, the date is wide open albeit next year).....PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF THERE IS INTEREST.....i would love to meet some eastern homies.....mic http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 17 07:24:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9ABBD3BEFE; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:24:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <12677641.1126915604805.JavaMail.root@vms063.mailsrvcs.net> References: <12677641.1126915604805.JavaMail.root@vms063.mailsrvcs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9A49A7DB-98EB-4D10-A12B-5863EAF1CA04@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: yo yo yo wolfman eh? Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 09:24:02 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:24:06 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Per Boysen >> > Time that is too > >> often not noticed at all by us humans and for many other animals not >> existing. >> > On Sep 17, 2005, at 2:06, wrote: > yo per.....how do you know about those "other animals".....i know > ducks are > not included!.....:)mic Scoots, how did you know I was a duck in a previous incarnation? ---- Well, seriously I can't be sure about how animals relate to "time". It's just an assumption of mine, based on reading books on animals intelligence, "dog psychology" etc. Linguistic experiments have proved that apes and dolphins can use an abstract language. That means that they can inform each other about things happening at other places, or later in time. Then we have insects that when you study them seems to be just out of a different universe... per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 17 10:07:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 643183BEE4; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 10:07:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=H8LldtzTYA9pqlXCjaGyyPi95+m87sVlVj4zGR6RZQydqxaUeIzZDspwAMBQ6a+++QeBU7sij/gyoFzo0IrnbL0lzr5RhNtQp4+vBmhfvp1Sp7+Y8d296LSgNrgxws7artGJWeyEfZitfcnxXQgvct7645/hMpKKajCvJczrkfs= ; Message-ID: <20050917100706.34590.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 03:07:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re:EDP LOOP4 question: Accessing individual loops directly To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 10:07:08 +0000 (UTC) How is the tracking compared the new boss OC-3, anyone? --- Matthias Grob wrote: > >>>,now > >>>i want to find a little (non synth) effect that > will > >>>turn my guitar into a bass,what do u use? > > I recently tested that one in a shop: > http://filters.muziq.be/model/ebs/octabass > > it really works when you play several strings > > Good old Paradis Polysubbass is now made as a SMD > PCB (and called > PolyBass). It easily fits into a guitar, so once you > have single > string pickups, that might be the best solution! > I will put up a picture the next days... > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 17 13:04:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D46483BEF7; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 13:04:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.5 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.1.0 From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: Swiss National Radio contribution now online Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:04:44 +0200 Message-ID: <004601c5bb88$62f1d750$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 13:04:59 +0000 (UTC) Hi The Swiss National Radio DRS2 contribution from August, 23rd 2005 about = the Zurich Loopfestival is now online: http://loofpestival.com, News section, 5th entry. It's in German, but there are also sound examples played live in the = studio. The contribution is about 12 minutes long; the size of the mp3 is 10.7 = MB. The interview was led by Nina Salis (http://www.bellatrice.ch/). Peter B=FCrli, editorial leader for Jazz of DRS2, kindly gave the permission = to put the interview online. Thank you Bernhard http://nosuch.biz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 17 13:12:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B5913BEE9; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 13:12:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:11:47 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:04:19 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.108.86 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 13:12:44 +0000 (UTC) has anyone seen Andre LaFosse perform his EDP wizardry? I wonder what kind of midi pedal he uses - and he uses all kinds of obscure EDP effects, many of them in the same song, so he must have found a way to easily access them ... I think he even did a show using 4 or 5 EDPs recently ... -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 17 13:38:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 150643BEF1; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 13:38:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: PMC-10 ( was RE: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ?) Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 06:37:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcW7iYI+8cYCU3w3Qym1F+Lhv91esQAAndEg Message-Id: <20050917133755.XLUA29184.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 13:38:01 +0000 (UTC) Andre LaFosse uses the treasured PMC-10 by Digitech to control his EDP with his feet--or he did when I saw him a few months ago . . . BTW, he does a great solo act with just that pedal, a guitar, and EDP and an amp. Very entertaining, funky fresh street beats he gets from various right hand attacks and stepping on the PMC . . . I also use the PMC, as does Kim (our sponsor), Claude Voit, and many other lucky loopers. And now once again it's time to speak the praises of our very own Sean Echevarria, creator of Raymond, the PC based editor for the PMC. It rocks, and it's free! Gary -----Original Message----- From: Michael Peters [mailto:mp@mpeters.de] Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 6:12 AM To: Loopers Delight Subject: RE: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? has anyone seen Andre LaFosse perform his EDP wizardry? I wonder what kind of midi pedal he uses - and he uses all kinds of obscure EDP effects, many of them in the same song, so he must have found a way to easily access them ... I think he even did a show using 4 or 5 EDPs recently ... -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 17 13:41:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9631B3BEFE; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 13:41:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.1.0 From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:41:07 +0200 Message-ID: <005101c5bb8d$78d78420$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 13:41:22 +0000 (UTC) Last time I saw him, Andre used the Digitech PMC-10 but carried the = EFC-7 along as a backup. http://www.livejournal.com/users/andrelafosse/7103.html http://www.livejournal.com/users/andrelafosse/ Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Peters [mailto:mp@mpeters.de] > Sent: Samstag, 17. September 2005 15:12 > To: Loopers Delight > Subject: RE: EDP Footpedal vs. FCB1010 ? ? >=20 > has anyone seen Andre LaFosse perform his EDP wizardry? I wonder what = kind > of midi pedal he uses - and he uses all kinds of obscure EDP effects, = many > of them in the same song, so he must have found a way to easily access > them > ... I think he even did a show using 4 or 5 EDPs recently ... = -Michael > www.michaelpeters.de >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 17 15:35:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA1A33BF06; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:35:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 11:18:35 -0400 Subject: Programming Rocktron All Access - HELP!!!! From: Craig Mitchell To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3209800716_180558_MIME_Part" X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:35:21 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3209800716_180558_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi, I'm new to the list and searched the archive but have not yet found the answers to questions. I am running two Echoplex Pros (loop IV)and trying to control them with a Rocktron All Access Pedal. I have made progress but a few things are still not working quite right. I have a good understanding of MIDI and how to program the Rocktron All Access but success so far as eluded me on this one. First off, the Echoplexes are sync'd up with a TRS cable via brother sync and the master has a midi cable going to the slave. How are people programming the All Access? Are you using Control Numbers via Instant Access switches? Or are you using Note ON/OFF via the Custom settings for presets? I have tried both and am still getting mixed results. With the Echoplexes set to 'Controlsource=CNTR' I have been using the Instant Access switches to trigger various functions. Record - This works but sometimes when I press the button it starts recording a clears right away. A second press gets it recording properly and I can loop. Mute - works fine Halfspeed - works fine Clear - This one does not seem to work at all. I have tried a couple different ideas to no avail. However, if I press the mute switch, the clear switch, and then the mute switch again it clears???? Something is not quite right there. I must be close. :) Soooo... any help is greatly appreciated! Are you using Latching, Momentaty, Hold on the All Access Instant access switches. Can one replicate the Echoplex pedalboard function of holding down the record button and clearing the loop with the All Access via midi? A step by step guide from someone who has this dialed in would be fantastic. Thanks! Craig --MS_Mac_OE_3209800716_180558_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Programming Rocktron All Access - HELP!!!!



Hi,

I'm new to the list and searched the archive but have not yet found the ans= wers to questions.

I am running two Echoplex Pros (loop IV)and trying to control them with a R= ocktron All Access Pedal. I have made progress but a few things are still no= t working quite right.

I have a good understanding of MIDI and how to program the Rocktron All Acc= ess but success so far as eluded me on this one.

First off, the Echoplexes are sync'd up with a TRS cable via brother sync a= nd the master has a midi cable going to the slave.


How are people programming the All Access? Are you using Control Numbers vi= a Instant Access switches? Or are you using Note ON/OFF via the Custom setti= ngs for presets?

I have tried both and am still getting mixed results.

With the Echoplexes set to 'Controlsource=3DCNTR' I have been using the Insta= nt Access switches to trigger various functions.

Record - This works but sometimes when I press the button it starts recordi= ng a clears right away. A second press gets it recording properly and I can = loop.

Mute - works fine

Halfspeed - works fine

Clear - This one does not seem to work at all. I have tried a couple differ= ent ideas to no avail.

However, if I press the mute switch, the clear switch, and then the mute sw= itch again it clears???? Something is not quite right there. I must be close= . :)

Soooo... any help is greatly appreciated! Are you using Latching, Momentaty= , Hold on the All Access Instant access switches.

Can one replicate the Echoplex pedalboard function of holding down the reco= rd button and clearing the loop with the All Access via midi?

A step by step guide from someone who has this dialed in would be fantastic= .

Thanks!

Craig


--MS_Mac_OE_3209800716_180558_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 17 15:38:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E181C3BEFA; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:38:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fmRg0NNbXnEnyijhnlIHp30F0QjO466UlOHlQkXBoZlS8wqq2Mdl1eIeIoNiBXtpSxNA58FPN4YbQe5OqVKuGo9fleGxSCN/lKhUsPyZxZEoN+Hg9Lx4sqqqFUnJVaI7KRFoFr0C0RWo8cV9/ZtdI+zJXqlzMVAbDprdkdX/JHo= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 08:38:49 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: travishartnett@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Programming Rocktron All Access - HELP!!!! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:38:52 +0000 (UTC) I believe you're the only person on the list who has the All Access, so I suspect you'll have to search through the many postings on configuring the Behringer controller (by far the most discussed MIDI pedal for controller the EDP or Repeater) and use that info where possible. TravisH=20 On 9/17/05, Craig Mitchell wrote: > =20 >=20 > =20 > Hi, > =20 > I'm new to the list and searched the archive but have not yet found the > answers to questions. > =20 > I am running two Echoplex Pros (loop IV)and trying to control them with = a > Rocktron All Access Pedal. I have made progress but a few things are stil= l > not working quite right. > =20 > I have a good understanding of MIDI and how to program the Rocktron All > Access but success so far as eluded me on this one. > =20 > First off, the Echoplexes are sync'd up with a TRS cable via brother syn= c > and the master has a midi cable going to the slave. > =20 > =20 > How are people programming the All Access? Are you using Control Numbers > via Instant Access switches? Or are you using Note ON/OFF via the Custom > settings for presets? > =20 > I have tried both and am still getting mixed results. > =20 > With the Echoplexes set to 'Controlsource=3DCNTR' I have been using the > Instant Access switches to trigger various functions. > =20 > Record - This works but sometimes when I press the button it starts > recording a clears right away. A second press gets it recording properly = and > I can loop. > =20 > Mute - works fine > =20 > Halfspeed - works fine > =20 > Clear - This one does not seem to work at all. I have tried a couple > different ideas to no avail. > =20 > However, if I press the mute switch, the clear switch, and then the mute > switch again it clears???? Something is not quite right there. I must be > close. :) > =20 > Soooo... any help is greatly appreciated! Are you using Latching, > Momentaty, Hold on the All Access Instant access switches. > =20 > Can one replicate the Echoplex pedalboard function of holding down the > record button and clearing the loop with the All Access via midi? > =20 > A step by step guide from someone who has this dialed in would be > fantastic. > =20 > Thanks! > =20 > Craig > =20 > =20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 17 15:43:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10BAB3BF00; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:43:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=qCASADgH329EOesxa/kHKsMreV6KdZRyNpXNEY7y93gyr/hPMdgWNQC8EmeQUYjs8LFyqnGUwJVllOjus6Gsgt6gKqDwO/NaoteG6dS91wqEWboSaGweokqFIiZFx1pV6Uc+gRq4fug3XbM4tw4XL9YOqx7Wmumeznd9ASxm9p8= ; Message-ID: <20050917154305.45465.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 08:43:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Programming Rocktron All Access - HELP!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_-nBVC.A.8nC.LmDLDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:43:08 +0000 (UTC) Hi Craig, I borrowed the Rocktron all access to control the EDP for a few days to do a gig but wasnt impressed at all,one of the things that turned me right off was the clancky and lound switches,i would recomend you the behringer FCB1010,nice and quite switches,a bit more user friendlier plus the integrated exp. pedals and almost 4 times cheaper! good luck Luis --- Craig Mitchell wrote: > > > Hi, > > I'm new to the list and searched the archive but > have not yet found the > answers to questions. > > I am running two Echoplex Pros (loop IV)and trying > to control them with a > Rocktron All Access Pedal. I have made progress but > a few things are still > not working quite right. > > I have a good understanding of MIDI and how to > program the Rocktron All > Access but success so far as eluded me on this one. > > First off, the Echoplexes are sync'd up with a TRS > cable via brother sync > and the master has a midi cable going to the slave. > > > How are people programming the All Access? Are you > using Control Numbers via > Instant Access switches? Or are you using Note > ON/OFF via the Custom > settings for presets? > > I have tried both and am still getting mixed > results. > > With the Echoplexes set to 'Controlsource=CNTR' I > have been using the > Instant Access switches to trigger various > functions. > > Record - This works but sometimes when I press the > button it starts > recording a clears right away. A second press gets > it recording properly and > I can loop. > > Mute - works fine > > Halfspeed - works fine > > Clear - This one does not seem to work at all. I > have tried a couple > different ideas to no avail. > > However, if I press the mute switch, the clear > switch, and then the mute > switch again it clears???? Something is not quite > right there. I must be > close. :) > > Soooo... any help is greatly appreciated! Are you > using Latching, Momentaty, > Hold on the All Access Instant access switches. > > Can one replicate the Echoplex pedalboard function > of holding down the > record button and clearing the loop with the All > Access via midi? > > A step by step guide from someone who has this > dialed in would be fantastic. > > Thanks! > > Craig > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 17 15:45:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F2E13BEFE; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:45:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=uaMBGy0ZoMIKwr7Nl04ef47x+zTi4GIlCNN/yiPqMHhWXdE30GMIYRG2cMk0GcXdINDbhYLpuSXGXNARHZ7VjgWgpCPVEiOhC/OYnsVuMkWdDdLpzzV6nfLe8A4J5orqH7FMbhBVNL1U6PiTbgYfTs8W9AxK1qvFjbQCpmdaUAY= ; Message-ID: <20050917154513.20509.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 08:45:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Programming Rocktron All Access - HELP!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:45:16 +0000 (UTC) There is a fellow looper called Glen Poorman who can help you out,i believe he uses it http://www.poorman.ws/detroitstick/ cheers and good luck Luis --- Craig Mitchell wrote: > > > Hi, > > I'm new to the list and searched the archive but > have not yet found the > answers to questions. > > I am running two Echoplex Pros (loop IV)and trying > to control them with a > Rocktron All Access Pedal. I have made progress but > a few things are still > not working quite right. > > I have a good understanding of MIDI and how to > program the Rocktron All > Access but success so far as eluded me on this one. > > First off, the Echoplexes are sync'd up with a TRS > cable via brother sync > and the master has a midi cable going to the slave. > > > How are people programming the All Access? Are you > using Control Numbers via > Instant Access switches? Or are you using Note > ON/OFF via the Custom > settings for presets? > > I have tried both and am still getting mixed > results. > > With the Echoplexes set to 'Controlsource=CNTR' I > have been using the > Instant Access switches to trigger various > functions. > > Record - This works but sometimes when I press the > button it starts > recording a clears right away. A second press gets > it recording properly and > I can loop. > > Mute - works fine > > Halfspeed - works fine > > Clear - This one does not seem to work at all. I > have tried a couple > different ideas to no avail. > > However, if I press the mute switch, the clear > switch, and then the mute > switch again it clears???? Something is not quite > right there. I must be > close. :) > > Soooo... any help is greatly appreciated! Are you > using Latching, Momentaty, > Hold on the All Access Instant access switches. > > Can one replicate the Echoplex pedalboard function > of holding down the > record button and clearing the loop with the All > Access via midi? > > A step by step guide from someone who has this > dialed in would be fantastic. > > Thanks! > > Craig > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 17 16:01:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 962373BF0A; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 16:01:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 11:44:28 -0400 Subject: Re: Programming Rocktron All Access - HELP!!!! From: Craig Mitchell To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050917154513.20509.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 16:01:14 +0000 (UTC) Really? It seemed like there were alot of All Access posts in the archives. I do have a FCB1010 here which is what the All Access replaced for my guitar rig. While I am still hoping to dial in the All Acess, it would not be a big deal to use the FCB1010 for just the echoplexs. A question... how viable is the FCB1010 with the echoplex? I didn't think it handled enough control numbers/notes to be useful. Thanks for the fast reponses!!! Craig Craigon 9/17/05 11:45 AM, Luis Angulo at labalou2000@yahoo.com wrote: > There is a fellow looper called Glen Poorman who can > help you out,i believe he uses it > http://www.poorman.ws/detroitstick/ > cheers and good luck > Luis > > > > --- Craig Mitchell wrote: > >> >> >> Hi, >> >> I'm new to the list and searched the archive but >> have not yet found the >> answers to questions. >> >> I am running two Echoplex Pros (loop IV)and trying >> to control them with a >> Rocktron All Access Pedal. I have made progress but >> a few things are still >> not working quite right. >> >> I have a good understanding of MIDI and how to >> program the Rocktron All >> Access but success so far as eluded me on this one. >> >> First off, the Echoplexes are sync'd up with a TRS >> cable via brother sync >> and the master has a midi cable going to the slave. >> >> >> How are people programming the All Access? Are you >> using Control Numbers via >> Instant Access switches? Or are you using Note >> ON/OFF via the Custom >> settings for presets? >> >> I have tried both and am still getting mixed >> results. >> >> With the Echoplexes set to 'Controlsource=CNTR' I >> have been using the >> Instant Access switches to trigger various >> functions. >> >> Record - This works but sometimes when I press the >> button it starts >> recording a clears right away. A second press gets >> it recording properly and >> I can loop. >> >> Mute - works fine >> >> Halfspeed - works fine >> >> Clear - This one does not seem to work at all. I >> have tried a couple >> different ideas to no avail. >> >> However, if I press the mute switch, the clear >> switch, and then the mute >> switch again it clears???? Something is not quite >> right there. I must be >> close. :) >> >> Soooo... any help is greatly appreciated! Are you >> using Latching, Momentaty, >> Hold on the All Access Instant access switches. >> >> Can one replicate the Echoplex pedalboard function >> of holding down the >> record button and clearing the loop with the All >> Access via midi? >> >> A step by step guide from someone who has this >> dialed in would be fantastic. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Craig >> >> >> >> > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 17 16:27:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF8493BF06; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 16:27:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 11:26:51 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Programming Rocktron All Access - HELP!!!! In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <432C43CB.4060300@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 16:27:05 +0000 (UTC) I don't have an All Access, but it is similar to the Ground Control Pro which I have used. You should be able to use either control changes or notes. Most people use notes, but the EDP doesn't care as long as you set ControlSource. If you don't need to change EDP presets from the controller, configure it entirely for instant access switches. If you do want to change presets, then I would leave only one row for program change switches and leave the rest instant access. Configure them as momentary switches. You could configure some as toggles for use with SUS functions, but you have to be careful because many EDP functions support "long presses" where the function changes behavior if you hold the switch down for more than half a second. Also be careful you do not store the toggled "down" state of a switch in the All Access preset, otherwise it will be sent whenever this preset is recalled. Best to stick with momentary switches. > Record - This works but sometimes when I press the button it starts > recording a clears right away. A second press gets it recording > properly and I can loop. > ... > Can one replicate the Echoplex pedalboard function of holding down the > record button and clearing the loop with the All Access via midi? The answer to the second question is yes, and it sounds like that is also the cause of the first problem. Make sure you're not holding down the switch too long, and make sure it is configured as momentary rather than toggle. > Clear - This one does not seem to work at all. I have tried a couple > different ideas to no avail. Assuming you mean Reset, make sure the switch is sending Source#+25, and that it is sending only one value. If you're on the PC, I recommend MIDI-OX at www.midiox.com to monitor what the AA is sending. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 17 16:34:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 967733BF02; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 16:34:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 11:33:53 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Programming Rocktron All Access - HELP!!!! In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <432C4571.1010104@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 16:34:03 +0000 (UTC) Craig Mitchell wrote: > I do have a FCB1010 here which is what the All Access replaced for my guitar > rig. While I am still hoping to dial in the All Acess, it would not be a big > deal to use the FCB1010 for just the echoplexs. There's no reason the All Access can't be used with an EDP, though a lot of people prefer the FCB for its quieter switches and 2 expression pedals. > A question... how viable is the FCB1010 with the echoplex? I didn't think it > handled enough control numbers/notes to be useful. You can fully control an EDP with an FCB using notes instead of control changes. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 17 16:39:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB41F3BEF7; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 16:39:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 12:22:46 -0400 Subject: Re: Programming Rocktron All Access - HELP!!!! From: Craig Mitchell To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <432C43CB.4060300@sun.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: <4JaN5D.A.xAF.FbELDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 16:39:33 +0000 (UTC) Many Thanks! I keep working on it. Craig on 9/17/05 12:26 PM, Jeff Larson at Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM wrote: > > I don't have an All Access, but it is similar to the Ground Control > Pro which I have used. You should be able to use either control > changes or notes. Most people use notes, but the EDP doesn't care as > long as you set ControlSource. > > If you don't need to change EDP presets from the controller, configure > it entirely for instant access switches. If you do want to change > presets, then I would leave only one row for program change switches > and leave the rest instant access. Configure them as momentary switches. > > You could configure some as toggles for use with SUS functions, but > you have to be careful because many EDP functions support "long > presses" where the function changes behavior if you hold the switch > down for more than half a second. Also be careful you do not store > the toggled "down" state of a switch in the All Access preset, > otherwise it will be sent whenever this preset is recalled. Best to > stick with momentary switches. > >> Record - This works but sometimes when I press the button it starts >> recording a clears right away. A second press gets it recording >> properly and I can loop. >> ... >> Can one replicate the Echoplex pedalboard function of holding down the >> record button and clearing the loop with the All Access via midi? > > The answer to the second question is yes, and it sounds like that > is also the cause of the first problem. Make sure you're not holding > down the switch too long, and make sure it is configured as momentary > rather than toggle. > >> Clear - This one does not seem to work at all. I have tried a couple >> different ideas to no avail. > > Assuming you mean Reset, make sure the switch is sending Source#+25, > and that it is sending only one value. If you're on the PC, I > recommend MIDI-OX at www.midiox.com to monitor what the AA is sending. > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 17 16:46:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63A923BEFA; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 16:46:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Softsampler, softgrooveboxes etc. - even more OT Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 18:47:33 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c5bba7$813824c0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: <20050916185117.74064.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 16:46:18 +0000 (UTC) Dear Mark, dear other people who had been on the softsampler thread, currently, I'm thinking about replacing my hardware groove boxes (Roland MC505, Quasimidi Sirius) with something software. For the sound generator, I'm perfectly happy with a combination of different soft synths (for drums Battery, plus some synths, some of them freeware like the outstanding mda epiano) - but regarding the patterns: does any one of you have a decent (or even a very basic) collection of grooves (preferrably both drums and bass/chords, but only drums will also do) in a format that will make me happy when using Live? Or perhaps another VST plugin which will do the pattern-playing, controlling the soft-synths? Respond off-list please, if this goes as off-topic as I expect this to be... Thanks, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 17 17:28:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A70B3BF06; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 17:28:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 13:11:15 -0400 Subject: Re: Programming Rocktron All Access - HELP!!!! From: Craig Mitchell To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <432C4571.1010104@sun.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3209807475_587102_MIME_Part" X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 17:28:02 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3209807475_587102_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Again, Thanks so much guys! I have dusted off my FCB1010 and everything seems to be working great so far. Yet another justification for having lots of gear lying around. :) This is no knock against the All Access as my guitar rig is so big that it's the only thing that will operate it now ... and I do like it as well. Bummer I am still not getting it to run the Echoplexs the way I want it to but I have to agree with the other comments here that the FCB1010 tends to lend itself better to operating the Echoplex. I'd still like to hear from any All Acess owners who have it sorted out! I'd like to avoid carrying around two pedalboards if I can work it out. Great bunch of people here and I'm honored to be on the list. Craig on 9/17/05 12:33 PM, Jeff Larson at Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM wrote: > Craig Mitchell wrote: >> I do have a FCB1010 here which is what the All Access replaced for my guitar >> rig. While I am still hoping to dial in the All Acess, it would not be a big >> deal to use the FCB1010 for just the echoplexs. > > There's no reason the All Access can't be used with an EDP, though a lot > of people prefer the FCB for its quieter switches and 2 expression pedals. > >> A question... how viable is the FCB1010 with the echoplex? I didn't think it >> handled enough control numbers/notes to be useful. > > You can fully control an EDP with an FCB using notes instead of control > changes. > > Jeff > > --MS_Mac_OE_3209807475_587102_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Programming Rocktron All Access - HELP!!!!


Again, Thanks so much guys!

I have dusted off my FCB1010 and everything seems to be working great so fa= r. Yet another justification for having lots of gear lying around. :)

This is no knock against the All Access as my guitar rig is so big that it'= s the only thing that will operate it now ... and I do like it as well. Bumm= er I am still not getting it to run the Echoplexs the way I want it to but I= have to agree with the other comments here that the FCB1010 tends to lend i= tself better to operating the Echoplex.

I'd still like to hear from any All Acess owners who have it sorted out! I'= d like to avoid carrying around two pedalboards if I can work it out.

Great bunch of people here and I'm honored to be on the list.

Craig





on 9/17/05 12:33 PM, Jeff Larson at Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM wrote:

> Craig Mitchell wrote:
>> I do have a FCB1010 here which is what the All Access replaced for= my guitar
>> rig. While I am still hoping to dial in the All Acess, it would no= t be a big
>> deal to use the FCB1010 for just the echoplexs.
>
> There's no reason the All Access can't be used with an EDP, though a l= ot
> of people prefer the FCB for its quieter switches and 2 expression ped= als.
>
>> A question... how viable is the FCB1010 with the echoplex? I didn'= t think it
>> handled enough control numbers/notes to be useful.
>
> You can fully control an EDP with an FCB using notes instead of contro= l
> changes.
>
> Jeff
>
>
--MS_Mac_OE_3209807475_587102_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 17 19:04:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC7303BEF7; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 19:04:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,119,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="83398651:sNHT108953954" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emilet@pop.rcn.com Message-Id: Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 15:04:20 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance TONIGHT -- Immersions --- Hyde Park, MA Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 19:04:42 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I just realized I had the wrong date on the header of the announcement, ands the show is tonight! Short notice, but worth it if you can make it. We will be joined by Bob McCloskey on sax and Michael Bloom on bass and guitar I'm happy to announce the first event of a monthly improvisation series called Immersions, that will feature my video combined with music and other arts. The series is an exploration of genre busting, mind expansion, media mixing, and any other relevant cliches I've neglected to mention-:) "Immersions" is a monthly intermedia improvisation series built around the core of Doctor T (Video), Dean Stiglitz (ElectroFlute and Electronics) and Ramona Herboldsheimer (Hammered Dulcimer and Other Things) with guest musicians and sometimes dancers or other visual artists. The first edition of Immersions will include myself and Dean, with Bob Trottier "The Dinosaur King", on Electro-Percussion. We may bring in some guest artists as well. Please check it out if you can. Admission is $7.00. Immersions will happen at 8 PM on the third Saturday of the month, at Artists at Large, which is at the First Congregational Church, 6 Webster Street at the intersection of Webster and River in Hyde Park. Phone 617-276-3223. Directions http://artistsatlargeinc.org/directions.html -- "Once the search is in progress, something will be found" -- Brian Eno and Peter Schmidt Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 17 23:57:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B5E53BEF9; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 23:57:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050917164229.0b1fd9a8@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 16:56:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Programming Rocktron All Access - HELP!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 23:57:10 +0000 (UTC) At 08:18 AM 9/17/2005, Craig Mitchell wrote: >How are people programming the All Access? Are you using Control Numbers >via Instant Access switches? Or are you using Note ON/OFF via the Custom >settings for presets? I'm pretty sure the All Access has the flexibility to be set up to use either. The FCB1010 can only control the echoplex using notes. (sorry I don't use an All Access so I don't know the programming steps.) >With the Echoplexes set to 'Controlsource=CNTR' I have been using the >Instant Access switches to trigger various functions. > >Record - This works but sometimes when I press the button it starts >recording a clears right away. A second press gets it recording properly >and I can loop. I think I see your problem. The Echoplex wants to see a midi command for both the pressing of the button AND the release of the button. This is how it can tell if you are doing a short press or a long press. It sounds like your controller is not sending the "off" message when you release the button. If you are using Notes, this means the midi controller sends a NoteOn message when you press the button, and the corresponding NoteOff message when you release the button. (like the way a midi keyboard would do it.) If you are using Continuous Controller messages, the controller should send the appropriate controller number with a positive value (like 64 or something) when you press the button. Then when you release the button, it should send the same controller with value 0. Usually this means programming the midi controller to treat its buttons as Momentary. It sounds like you might have the in Latching mode. (where the first press sends the On, and the second press sends the off) >Can one replicate the Echoplex pedalboard function of holding down the >record button and clearing the loop with the All Access via midi? yes, definitely! that's the idea of using the on/off concept. That's the only way with midi to communicate that you are holding a button down (sustained) or releasing it quickly. This allows the Echoplex to get more functions out of less buttons. Otherwise there would have to be lots of extra buttons to control even the basic features of the echoplex, which would be awkward to use and take up too much space. Hope this helps, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 18 01:46:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C07423BEF0; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 01:46:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050917164229.0b1fd9a8@loopers-delight.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050917164229.0b1fd9a8@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-524386164 Message-Id: From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: Programming Rocktron All Access - HELP!!!! Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 20:45:57 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.432 (PLING_PLING) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 66.226.64.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 01:46:06 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-524386164 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed kim, i may be wrong here but i believe the 1010 can be set to send cc's automatically once a preset is chosen just like with notes. i remember seeing that. ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 17, 2005, at 6:56 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > At 08:18 AM 9/17/2005, Craig Mitchell wrote: >> How are people programming the All Access? Are you using Control >> Numbers via Instant Access switches? Or are you using Note ON/OFF via >> the Custom settings for presets? > > I'm pretty sure the All Access has the flexibility to be set up to use > either. The FCB1010 can only control the echoplex using notes. (sorry > I don't use an All Access so I don't know the programming steps.) > > >> With the Echoplexes set to 'Controlsource=CNTR' I have been using the >> Instant Access switches to trigger various functions. >> >> Record - This works but sometimes when I press the button it starts >> recording a clears right away. A second press gets it recording >> properly and I can loop. > > I think I see your problem. The Echoplex wants to see a midi command > for both the pressing of the button AND the release of the button. > This is how it can tell if you are doing a short press or a long > press. It sounds like your controller is not sending the "off" message > when you release the button. > > If you are using Notes, this means the midi controller sends a NoteOn > message when you press the button, and the corresponding NoteOff > message when you release the button. (like the way a midi keyboard > would do it.) > > If you are using Continuous Controller messages, the controller should > send the appropriate controller number with a positive value (like 64 > or something) when you press the button. Then when you release the > button, it should send the same controller with value 0. > > Usually this means programming the midi controller to treat its > buttons as Momentary. It sounds like you might have the in Latching > mode. (where the first press sends the On, and the second press sends > the off) > > >> Can one replicate the Echoplex pedalboard function of holding down >> the record button and clearing the loop with the All Access via midi? > > yes, definitely! that's the idea of using the on/off concept. That's > the only way with midi to communicate that you are holding a button > down (sustained) or releasing it quickly. This allows the Echoplex to > get more functions out of less buttons. Otherwise there would have to > be lots of extra buttons to control even the basic features of the > echoplex, which would be awkward to use and take up too much space. > > Hope this helps, > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-524386164 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII kim, i may be wrong here but i believe the 1010 can be set to send cc's automatically once a preset is chosen just like with notes. i remember seeing that. ___7979,0404,0909 Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 17, 2005, at 6:56 PM, Kim Flint wrote: At 08:18 AM 9/17/2005, Craig Mitchell wrote: How are people programming the All Access? Are you using Control Numbers via Instant Access switches? Or are you using Note ON/OFF via the Custom settings for presets? I'm pretty sure the All Access has the flexibility to be set up to use either. The FCB1010 can only control the echoplex using notes. (sorry I don't use an All Access so I don't know the programming steps.) With the Echoplexes set to 'Controlsource=CNTR' I have been using the Instant Access switches to trigger various functions. Record - This works but sometimes when I press the button it starts recording a clears right away. A second press gets it recording properly and I can loop. I think I see your problem. The Echoplex wants to see a midi command for both the pressing of the button AND the release of the button. This is how it can tell if you are doing a short press or a long press. It sounds like your controller is not sending the "off" message when you release the button. If you are using Notes, this means the midi controller sends a NoteOn message when you press the button, and the corresponding NoteOff message when you release the button. (like the way a midi keyboard would do it.) If you are using Continuous Controller messages, the controller should send the appropriate controller number with a positive value (like 64 or something) when you press the button. Then when you release the button, it should send the same controller with value 0. Usually this means programming the midi controller to treat its buttons as Momentary. It sounds like you might have the in Latching mode. (where the first press sends the On, and the second press sends the off) Can one replicate the Echoplex pedalboard function of holding down the record button and clearing the loop with the All Access via midi? yes, definitely! that's the idea of using the on/off concept. That's the only way with midi to communicate that you are holding a button down (sustained) or releasing it quickly. This allows the Echoplex to get more functions out of less buttons. Otherwise there would have to be lots of extra buttons to control even the basic features of the echoplex, which would be awkward to use and take up too much space. Hope this helps, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-524386164-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 18 01:56:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C8F43BEE9; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 01:56:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <432CC941.1000703@pdq.net> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 20:56:17 -0500 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Programming Rocktron All Access - HELP!!!! References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050917164229.0b1fd9a8@loopers-delight.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 01:56:20 +0000 (UTC) It can send CC's along with PC's, but it can't send on/off CC's in a "momentary" fashion. Therefore, you can't use CC's to control the basic EDP functions with the FCB1010. Dig Adrian Bartholomew wrote: > kim, i may be wrong here but i believe the 1010 can be set to send > cc's automatically once a preset is chosen just like with notes. i > remember seeing that. > ___* > Adrian Bartholomew > *Leawood KS > On Sep 17, 2005, at 6:56 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > > At 08:18 AM 9/17/2005, Craig Mitchell wrote: > > How are people programming the All Access? Are you using > Control Numbers via Instant Access switches? Or are you using > Note ON/OFF via the Custom settings for presets? > > > I'm pretty sure the All Access has the flexibility to be set up to > use either. The FCB1010 can only control the echoplex using notes. > (sorry I don't use an All Access so I don't know the programming > steps.) > > > With the Echoplexes set to 'Controlsource=CNTR' I have been > using the Instant Access switches to trigger various functions. > > Record - This works but sometimes when I press the button it > starts recording a clears right away. A second press gets it > recording properly and I can loop. > > > I think I see your problem. The Echoplex wants to see a midi > command for both the pressing of the button AND the release of the > button. This is how it can tell if you are doing a short press or > a long press. It sounds like your controller is not sending the > "off" message when you release the button. > > If you are using Notes, this means the midi controller sends a > NoteOn message when you press the button, and the corresponding > NoteOff message when you release the button. (like the way a midi > keyboard would do it.) > > If you are using Continuous Controller messages, the controller > should send the appropriate controller number with a positive > value (like 64 or something) when you press the button. Then when > you release the button, it should send the same controller with > value 0. > > Usually this means programming the midi controller to treat its > buttons as Momentary. It sounds like you might have the in > Latching mode. (where the first press sends the On, and the second > press sends the off) > > > Can one replicate the Echoplex pedalboard function of holding > down the record button and clearing the loop with the All > Access via midi? > > > yes, definitely! that's the idea of using the on/off concept. > That's the only way with midi to communicate that you are holding > a button down (sustained) or releasing it quickly. This allows the > Echoplex to get more functions out of less buttons. Otherwise > there would have to be lots of extra buttons to control even the > basic features of the echoplex, which would be awkward to use and > take up too much space. > > Hope this helps, > kim > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 18 15:16:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E51C3BEEC; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 15:16:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <432CC941.1000703@pdq.net> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050917164229.0b1fd9a8@loopers-delight.com> <432CC941.1000703@pdq.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-573035955 Message-Id: <3b2b72127582de1b8de329c0b810ebf8@bartholomusic.com> From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: Programming Rocktron All Access - HELP!!!! Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:16:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Spam-Score: 0.432 (PLING_PLING) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 66.226.64.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 15:16:53 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-573035955 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed i stand corrected ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 17, 2005, at 8:56 PM, Doug Cox wrote: > It can send CC's along with PC's, but it can't send on/off CC's in a > "momentary" fashion. Therefore, you can't use CC's to control the > basic EDP functions with the FCB1010. > > Dig > > Adrian Bartholomew wrote: > >> kim, i may be wrong here but i believe the 1010 can be set to send >> cc's automatically once a preset is chosen just like with notes. i >> remember seeing that. >> ___* >> Adrian Bartholomew >> *Leawood KS >> On Sep 17, 2005, at 6:56 PM, Kim Flint wrote: >> >> At 08:18 AM 9/17/2005, Craig Mitchell wrote: >> >> How are people programming the All Access? Are you using >> Control Numbers via Instant Access switches? Or are you using >> Note ON/OFF via the Custom settings for presets? >> >> >> I'm pretty sure the All Access has the flexibility to be set up to >> use either. The FCB1010 can only control the echoplex using notes. >> (sorry I don't use an All Access so I don't know the programming >> steps.) >> >> >> With the Echoplexes set to 'Controlsource=CNTR' I have been >> using the Instant Access switches to trigger various >> functions. >> >> Record - This works but sometimes when I press the button it >> starts recording a clears right away. A second press gets it >> recording properly and I can loop. >> >> >> I think I see your problem. The Echoplex wants to see a midi >> command for both the pressing of the button AND the release of the >> button. This is how it can tell if you are doing a short press or >> a long press. It sounds like your controller is not sending the >> "off" message when you release the button. >> >> If you are using Notes, this means the midi controller sends a >> NoteOn message when you press the button, and the corresponding >> NoteOff message when you release the button. (like the way a midi >> keyboard would do it.) >> >> If you are using Continuous Controller messages, the controller >> should send the appropriate controller number with a positive >> value (like 64 or something) when you press the button. Then when >> you release the button, it should send the same controller with >> value 0. >> >> Usually this means programming the midi controller to treat its >> buttons as Momentary. It sounds like you might have the in >> Latching mode. (where the first press sends the On, and the second >> press sends the off) >> >> >> Can one replicate the Echoplex pedalboard function of holding >> down the record button and clearing the loop with the All >> Access via midi? >> >> >> yes, definitely! that's the idea of using the on/off concept. >> That's the only way with midi to communicate that you are holding >> a button down (sustained) or releasing it quickly. This allows the >> Echoplex to get more functions out of less buttons. Otherwise >> there would have to be lots of extra buttons to control even the >> basic features of the echoplex, which would be awkward to use and >> take up too much space. >> >> Hope this helps, >> kim >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> >> Kim Flint | Looper's Delight >> kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com >> > --Apple-Mail-1-573035955 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII i stand corrected ___7979,0404,0909 Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 17, 2005, at 8:56 PM, Doug Cox wrote: It can send CC's along with PC's, but it can't send on/off CC's in a "momentary" fashion. Therefore, you can't use CC's to control the basic EDP functions with the FCB1010. Dig Adrian Bartholomew wrote: kim, i may be wrong here but i believe the 1010 can be set to send cc's automatically once a preset is chosen just like with notes. i remember seeing that. ___* Adrian Bartholomew *Leawood KS On Sep 17, 2005, at 6:56 PM, Kim Flint wrote: At 08:18 AM 9/17/2005, Craig Mitchell wrote: How are people programming the All Access? Are you using Control Numbers via Instant Access switches? Or are you using Note ON/OFF via the Custom settings for presets? I'm pretty sure the All Access has the flexibility to be set up to use either. The FCB1010 can only control the echoplex using notes. (sorry I don't use an All Access so I don't know the programming steps.) With the Echoplexes set to 'Controlsource=CNTR' I have been using the Instant Access switches to trigger various functions. Record - This works but sometimes when I press the button it starts recording a clears right away. A second press gets it recording properly and I can loop. I think I see your problem. The Echoplex wants to see a midi command for both the pressing of the button AND the release of the button. This is how it can tell if you are doing a short press or a long press. It sounds like your controller is not sending the "off" message when you release the button. If you are using Notes, this means the midi controller sends a NoteOn message when you press the button, and the corresponding NoteOff message when you release the button. (like the way a midi keyboard would do it.) If you are using Continuous Controller messages, the controller should send the appropriate controller number with a positive value (like 64 or something) when you press the button. Then when you release the button, it should send the same controller with value 0. Usually this means programming the midi controller to treat its buttons as Momentary. It sounds like you might have the in Latching mode. (where the first press sends the On, and the second press sends the off) Can one replicate the Echoplex pedalboard function of holding down the record button and clearing the loop with the All Access via midi? yes, definitely! that's the idea of using the on/off concept. That's the only way with midi to communicate that you are holding a button down (sustained) or releasing it quickly. This allows the Echoplex to get more functions out of less buttons. Otherwise there would have to be lots of extra buttons to control even the basic features of the echoplex, which would be awkward to use and take up too much space. Hope this helps, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com --Apple-Mail-1-573035955-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 18 17:08:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DCF43BEE8; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 17:08:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <432D9F0F.1060204@pobox.com> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 12:08:31 -0500 From: Jim Palmer User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Programming Rocktron All Access - HELP!!!! References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 17:08:43 +0000 (UTC) other than the *kechunk* of the switches, the allaccess is excellent for edp use. i thought there were still several ld'ers using it. i sold my all access over a year ago, planning to build my own using the excellent mios system ( http://www.ucapps.de/mios.html ) which i still have on my todo list. so i don't remember this stuff exactly, so use grain-of-salt filter and RTFM, but here goes: it sounds like you have the switches set to toggle mode. there is a momentary mode with which you can set up the aa to act just like the edp controller, allowing long press - short press. you can use either note on-note off or cc, as i fuzzily recall... using instant access buttons for the main edp funcs is a good idea, cause then you can use the other buttons for pc changes to call up different patches on the edp or to send direct midi commands, etc as i recall, you can have 5, 10 or 15 instant access buttons, leaving the rest (10,5,0 respectively) for preset buttons, which you can also bank up and down without changing the instant access buttons. pretty cool... hope this is some help. > ... Bummer > I am still not getting it to run the Echoplexs the way I want it to but I > have to agree with the other comments here that the FCB1010 tends to lend > itself better to operating the Echoplex. > > I'd still like to hear from any All Acess owners who have it sorted out! I'd > like to avoid carrying around two pedalboards if I can work it out. > > Great bunch of people here and I'm honored to be on the list. > > Craig > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 03:29:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4813E3BEFF; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 03:29:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" Subject: The PiNG presents PiNG AMBiENCE 3 - LiVE Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 23:30:38 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000301c5bcca$8107e0c0$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 03:29:21 +0000 (UTC) A busy September continues at the PiNG as this Tuesday the new "PiNG AMBiENCE 3 - STRiNG THiNGS" CD is launched with a concert by three ambient guitar slingers and then on Sunday Sept.25th, 11AM - 6PM, we hit the "Word on the Street" event at Queen's Park to launch "i POP PiNG" magazine. Our September feature on the new Steve Roach set "The Dreamtime Box" continues with "Possible Planet". . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday September 20th - PiNG AMBiENCE 3 - LiVE In celebration of THE AMBiENT PiNG's new CD release "PiNG AMBiENCE 3 ~ STRiNG THiNGS" this show will feature three ambient guitar artists: Paul Royes (The Cybertarist), Phil Ogison (The Devil in The Design) and Joe G (Styrohead) in live performance. Paul Royes will compose and perform his latest intuitive music work titled "Sustain & Feedback", plus some favourites from "Mayan Plateau", "Delta Forces" and "Dolphin Sky". "The role of the arts is to explore the inner space of man; to find out how much and how intensely he can vibrate, through sound, through what he hears, whichever it is. They are a means by which to expand his inner universe." (Karlheinz Stockhausen On Music) Phil Ogison will be composing on the fly, as part of the "Vessel" series. This is a joint project with Menno Krant, painter. Each "Vessel" will only be heard once in its' actual performance mode, the only record of the performance being the recording medium. This is in keeping with the nature of painting, there being only one copy of a given painting, one original. This puts the music into a 'Fine Art' category. Subsequent recordings, of which only one per performance will be available, will be paired with a unique painting by Menno. Joe G will be using urban/environmental earth sounds with electric & acoustic guitars, loopers, delays, cutting audio gates, modulation sound processors and a touch of slow space percussion to weave his improvisational magic. General Chaos Visuals will provide their always beautiful eye candy. The new PiNG AMBiENCE 3 ~ STRiNG THiNGS compilation CD of spacious ambient guitar sound sculptures will be available at ping things the night of the show and at http://www.pingthings.com Between Sets CD - "Possible Planet" by Steve Roach Our month-long feature on Steve Roach's new "Dreamtime Box" continues between sets with disc 3 "Possible Planet" - all new music created by Roach Dec.2004 through May 2005 using only analog modular synthesisers. http://www.steveroach.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday September 27th - Songspell http://www.thetempleofsound.com/song-spell.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ||: IN THE LOOP :|| by Luna Tek Featuring performances by Syntax Error and Vancouver's Wendy Atkinson with David Leary, THE AMBiENT PiNG was the place to be for two innovative shows on Tuesday, September 13. Syntax Error (Joshua Hemming & Tony Ferreira) covered a lot of musical territory in the first set: beginning with ambient instrumentals and building in rhythmic intensity as the set progressed, the duo sampled ethereal vocals from two artists they regularly work with, Astra (sung vocals) and Mandy-Tori (spoken word). After the concert, Joshua explained that, for Syntax Error, "vocals are particularly appealing because they bring a certain beauty and humanity to our sound and can provide a pleasing contrast against the cold synths and dark scapes." Joshua also pointed out that sounds and images from the world around him--like rain or traffic or the screeching sounds of the subway- significantly influence his process of soundscape design. Wendy Atkinson opened the second set with several solo bass guitar pieces. David Lester of Vancouver band Mecca Normal then joined her onstage with a dramatic start to his guitar stylings and the duo entertained the audience with dueling guitars and playful stage antics. They closed the evening with two songs from a project with east Vancouver poet Bud Osborne, songs they manipulated for use outside of the project. The resulting soundscapes reflected a strong sense of their roots in the harsh reality of east Vancouver. Look for the launch of i POP PiNG at Word on the Street this Sunday! Luna Tek - luna@theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "It's You Who Made My Head Spin" by Weird State Inbetween Weird State Inbetween is a collaborative project between Anne Sulikowski of Building Castles Out of Matchsticks and Scott Johnson of the Lonely Flight. "It's You Who Made My Head Spin" is a recording by the duo (with guest D.P. of Offensive Orange) taken from a live performance at the AMBiENT PiNG in March of this year. The disc explores a dark and claustrophobic environment filled with metallic scrapes, sampled voices, piercing tones and deep pads. It's a kaleidoscope of sounds coming from all directions, sometimes with a rhythm or melody, sometimes with nothing distinct that you can identify or trace. It can be unsettling at times, anxious at others, sometimes frightening even. Alternatively it can be soothing, calming, almost loving in it's embrace, but only briefly, only long enough to remind you that you're not alone. Vocal loops, melodic touchstones, they all combine to ease the transition from the real world into this wierd state in between. And as you listen it becomes abundantly clear that everything around you is very very very beautiful. You just have to know what to look for... Anne and Scott (and guest D.P.) played a wonderful set that evening, and we're lucky to have this reminder of how wonderful they can be together. These wierd states expand between and beyond, and we're better off for it. Wierd State Inbetween are among many artists who have generously offered to donate all earnings from the sale of their CDs through ping things for the month of September to the American Red Cross (less taxes and shipping costs) in an effort to raise money for Hurricane relief efforts. Please visit http://www.pingthings.com to find out more. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 13:05:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 581B43BF0E; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:05:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:04:20 -0400 From: Dan Ash Subject: 1st Looping Festival To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <432EB754.2000308@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:05:15 +0000 (UTC) >> there was a weekly looping series for a while in New York City. The weekly open loop event at Chama is still listed on their website http://www.loopny.com/#openloop Haven't been there in some time - maybe someone else can confirm? Dan Ash White Plains, NY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 13:10:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CAF73BEFF; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:10:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <432EB8CC.2090204@biink.com> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:10:36 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 1st Looping Festival References: <432EB754.2000308@Verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <432EB754.2000308@Verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:10:25 +0000 (UTC) Dan Ash wrote: > >> there was a weekly looping series for a while in New York City. > > The weekly open loop event at Chama is still listed on their website > http://www.loopny.com/#openloop > > Haven't been there in some time - maybe someone else can confirm? > Chama closed in Sept. 2003. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 14:48:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8013A3BF0E; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:48:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,122,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="1576377965:sNHT15146762" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Oberheim EDP FS Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:48:42 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:48:48 +0000 (UTC) It's in very good cosmetic shape. Loop4, full memory. Gibson foot controller that is somewhat beat up but works fine. I have the Loop4 upgrade manual, but not the regular one. Works perfectly, as far as I know -- the only trouble I've ever had with it is that the previous owner didn't seat the Loop4 chip properly and, although it worked, it exhibited a bunch of bizarre behavior. Anyway, after I discovered that, no issues. $650 shipped in US, PayPal or money order. Pictures possible. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 15:12:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 438103BF1C; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 15:12:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,123,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="1589094929:sNHT22999584" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7B374BD9-DBA3-4279-92EC-CFF6D22BE21F@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: Oberheim EDP FS Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:12:16 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 15:12:22 +0000 (UTC) Oh heck, I forgot. I am also hoping to sell a Lexicon Vortex. I had a double footswitch made for it that does the trick. $100, with docs. Again, I can get the camera out if needed. On Sep 19, 2005, at 9:48 AM, Kelly Coyle wrote: > It's in very good cosmetic shape. Loop4, full memory. Gibson foot > controller that is somewhat beat up but works fine. I have the > Loop4 upgrade manual, but not the regular one. Works perfectly, as > far as I know -- the only trouble I've ever had with it is that the > previous owner didn't seat the Loop4 chip properly and, although it > worked, it exhibited a bunch of bizarre behavior. Anyway, after I > discovered that, no issues. $650 shipped in US, PayPal or money > order. Pictures possible. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 16:35:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 308F53BF18; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:35:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.54.229.220] X-Originating-Email: [blackface@hotmail.co.uk] X-Sender: blackface@hotmail.co.uk From: "phill wilson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: The Big(ish) Idea Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:35:22 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Sep 2005 16:35:22.0742 (UTC) FILETIME=[217A7960:01C5BD38] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:35:25 +0000 (UTC) Hi All Ok, so I have been hinting at building a pedal for a while now, for reasons that I won't go into, my Ego kind of wanted to keep the design some sort of secret,however this has led to nowhere for me so it is time to REVEAL ALL!!! Basically I want to make a foot operated device that allows a signal to pass only when the button is pressed. Kind of a Poor-Mans-Morse-Glitch Pedal. I envisaged building it as follows. two buttons button one simply being on / off In off position the signal is bypassed directly to the output jack in the On position it passes to the next momentary button. Button Two is the activation button, it is a push to make type switch so initially the signal is dead, however, when the button is pressed the sound is allowed to pass to the output. I can therefore strum a chord while it is off then tap the button rythmically to let small stabs of sound through. I came up with this when playing through a broken amp that you had to hold the jack in place in the input, i found that tapping the jack let me do dda-da-da type noises. anyways basically I know NOTHING about how to do this, I did what seemed reasonable to me but all I got was nasty hiss and buzzing. I would appreciate ANY help or comments on how I may impliment this pedal. I had once dreamed about making money off this idea, however, it will never be built if I cant get some advice! By the way I intend to LOOP with it so its not totally OT!! Thanks Y'all Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface) Free Downloads at www.download.com/therealblackface _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 16:43:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B69F23BF20; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:43:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=K2Vk1Htaggn3vL56Z898CDDvBflW7SLzsUWXrFdjmKXWiZz3nEtMzhd8kUuU+MzWNaxqlxrHxSRCw9K05+M7p7zI96Kgo1NZFmMw2vFFT5019NiItIQ0OuVLSyml8MLlZlceuqU1bHnzFEEtmisw+HoJlQGTk4AJKb7h2aUtWCY= ; Message-ID: <20050919164340.81229.qmail@web52808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:43:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: EDP through rane SM82 problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004d01c5b9cf$4e2dcb40$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:43:40 +0000 (UTC) Hi gang, I am having humming problems with the edp plugged into to my Rane SM82.I have a roland preamp,repeater EDP and sm82 plugged into a juice goose power conditioner,when i disconect the EDP the humming is gone,but even if i disconect evrything and leave the edp by itself it still humms.No problems through my little VLZ1202 mackie though. Also when i turn the rane sm82 off it makes my active speakers make a big boom which doesnt happen with the 1202,any ideas? thanx Luis www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 16:44:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E92AC3BF23; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:44:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <432EEAD4.6030003@finleysound.com> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:44:04 -0700 From: "Matthew F. McCabe" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Programming Rocktron All Access - HELP!!!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1762721012 X-Authenticated-User: finleysound@fastermac.net X-Verify-Helo: finleysound.com -> 68.142.*.* not in 66.248.87.23 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.047000 Subject has lots of exclamation marks=1.0 X-NotAscii: charset=us-ascii; X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 16, First 32, in=6, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 66.248.87.23 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:44:12 +0000 (UTC) Craig, I'm using the All Access to control my EDP via Instant Access switches. Here's the settings I'm currently using (hopefully the formatting will be okay). Button Name CC# On/Off Switch Type Comments Speed 48 1/0 Hold Reverse 49 1/0 Hold Next 44 1/0 Momentary Substitute 46 1/1 Hold substitutes only when switch held down, causes Speed and Reverse to work only when switch held down Record 38 1/0 Hold supports LongPress to reset current loop Overdub 39 1/0 Hold Multiply 40 1/0 Hold Undo 43 1/1 Hold if Undo action not completed, Speed and Reverse only work when corresponding switch held down Reset 61 1/0 Hold does not work consistently The way Substitute and Undo affects Speed and Reverse is problematic IMO. I'm not sure if this is caused by the way I've programmed the All Access or the way the EDP behaves. Hope this helps. If you tweak any of these settings with positive results, please let me know. Matt --- www.finleysound.com/kingnever Craig Mitchell wrote: > > > > Hi, > > I'm new to the list and searched the archive but have not yet > found the answers to questions. > > I am running two Echoplex Pros (loop IV)and trying to control them > with a Rocktron All Access Pedal. I have made progress but a few > things are still not working quite right. > > I have a good understanding of MIDI and how to program the > Rocktron All Access but success so far as eluded me on this one. > > First off, the Echoplexes are sync'd up with a TRS cable via > brother sync and the master has a midi cable going to the slave. > > > How are people programming the All Access? Are you using Control > Numbers via Instant Access switches? Or are you using Note ON/OFF > via the Custom settings for presets? > > I have tried both and am still getting mixed results. > > With the Echoplexes set to 'Controlsource=CNTR' I have been using > the Instant Access switches to trigger various functions. > > Record - This works but sometimes when I press the button it > starts recording a clears right away. A second press gets it > recording properly and I can loop. > > Mute - works fine > > Halfspeed - works fine > > Clear - This one does not seem to work at all. I have tried a > couple different ideas to no avail. > > However, if I press the mute switch, the clear switch, and then > the mute switch again it clears???? Something is not quite right > there. I must be close. :) > > Soooo... any help is greatly appreciated! Are you using Latching, > Momentaty, Hold on the All Access Instant access switches. > > Can one replicate the Echoplex pedalboard function of holding down > the record button and clearing the loop with the All Access via midi? > > A step by step guide from someone who has this dialed in would be > fantastic. > > Thanks! > > Craig > > -- King Never www.finleysound.com/kingnever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 17:11:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C5903BF2B; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:11:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-666336436 Message-Id: <4eb97c663ca101c3ebb8d356e62d50ee@bartholomusic.com> From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: The Big(ish) Idea Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 12:11:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 66.226.64.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:11:57 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-666336436 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed nice idea! it would be fun to loop that. i can build it for u. just let me know how big u want the box. how u want the buttons aligned and what type/size of buttons u want to use. i assume u want the standard... in on the right out on the left? now im not trying to put u down in anyway. u have a great creative mind. hats off to u for pursuing this. its a good idea but im afraid, not all that unique and involved to be awarded a patent. and it could be done in a million and one ways too, so anyone could run around ur patent anyway. see what im saying? meanwhile, back on the ranch. what do u envision paying for this to be built? the parts wont be that expensive at all and my labor cost would reasonable. we could always figure something out. the most expensive thing would be the box itself. i would do it with active electronics. ie with logic and analog chips that need power. simple 9V adaptor that could chain to ur existing pedals. also ill have true bypass to eliminate any clicking on and off. i already have the schematic in my head and the parts i need. i already have the components i need in my lab too. lucky u! i would just need to order the box and the switches of ur choice. radio shack most likely has the casing u need but i know they dont have any heavy duty foot switches. i need the double pole type to keep it true bypass and momentary for the 2nd switch. it should not click like the 1st on/off switch. just be spring loaded push on/release off. soft feel. if all this sounds like gibberish, im sorry. i get carried away. but not to worry. once we have all the parts we need, it would only take a week (i have a busy schedule)and u could have it in ur hands a few days after that. u would be responsible for painting and printing any logo u want though:-) text back privately. ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 19, 2005, at 11:35 AM, phill wilson wrote: > > Hi All > > Ok, so I have been hinting at building a pedal for a while now, for > reasons that I won't go into, my Ego kind of wanted to keep the design > some sort of secret,however this has led to nowhere for me so it is > time to REVEAL ALL!!! > > Basically I want to make a foot operated device that allows a signal > to pass only when the button is pressed. Kind of a > Poor-Mans-Morse-Glitch Pedal. > > I envisaged building it as follows. > > two buttons button one simply being on / off > In off position the signal is bypassed directly to the output jack > in the On position it passes to the next momentary button. > > Button Two is the activation button, > > it is a push to make type switch so initially the signal is dead, > however, when the button is pressed the sound is allowed to pass to > the output. > > I can therefore strum a chord while it is off then tap the button > rythmically to let small stabs of sound through. > > I came up with this when playing through a broken amp that you had to > hold the jack in place in the input, i found that tapping the jack let > me do dda-da-da type noises. > > anyways basically I know NOTHING about how to do this, I did what > seemed reasonable to me but all I got was nasty hiss and buzzing. I > would appreciate ANY help or comments on how I may impliment this > pedal. > > I had once dreamed about making money off this idea, however, it will > never be built if I cant get some advice! > > By the way I intend to LOOP with it so its not totally OT!! > > Thanks Y'all > > Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface) > > Free Downloads at > > www.download.com/therealblackface > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search! > http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ > --Apple-Mail-1-666336436 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII nice idea! it would be fun to loop that. i can build it for u. just let me know how big u want the box. how u want the buttons aligned and what type/size of buttons u want to use. i assume u want the standard... in on the right out on the left? now im not trying to put u down in anyway. u have a great creative mind. hats off to u for pursuing this. its a good idea but im afraid, not all that unique and involved to be awarded a patent. and it could be done in a million and one ways too, so anyone could run around ur patent anyway. see what im saying? meanwhile, back on the ranch. what do u envision paying for this to be built? the parts wont be that expensive at all and my labor cost would reasonable. we could always figure something out. the most expensive thing would be the box itself. i would do it with active electronics. ie with logic and analog chips that need power. simple 9V adaptor that could chain to ur existing pedals. also ill have true bypass to eliminate any clicking on and off. i already have the schematic in my head and the parts i need. i already have the components i need in my lab too. lucky u! i would just need to order the box and the switches of ur choice. radio shack most likely has the casing u need but i know they dont have any heavy duty foot switches. i need the double pole type to keep it true bypass and momentary for the 2nd switch. it should not click like the 1st on/off switch. just be spring loaded push on/release off. soft feel. if all this sounds like gibberish, im sorry. i get carried away. but not to worry. once we have all the parts we need, it would only take a week (i have a busy schedule)and u could have it in ur hands a few days after that. u would be responsible for painting and printing any logo u want though:-) text back privately. ___7979,0404,0909 Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 19, 2005, at 11:35 AM, phill wilson wrote: Hi All Ok, so I have been hinting at building a pedal for a while now, for reasons that I won't go into, my Ego kind of wanted to keep the design some sort of secret,however this has led to nowhere for me so it is time to REVEAL ALL!!! Basically I want to make a foot operated device that allows a signal to pass only when the button is pressed. Kind of a Poor-Mans-Morse-Glitch Pedal. I envisaged building it as follows. two buttons button one simply being on / off In off position the signal is bypassed directly to the output jack in the On position it passes to the next momentary button. Button Two is the activation button, it is a push to make type switch so initially the signal is dead, however, when the button is pressed the sound is allowed to pass to the output. I can therefore strum a chord while it is off then tap the button rythmically to let small stabs of sound through. I came up with this when playing through a broken amp that you had to hold the jack in place in the input, i found that tapping the jack let me do dda-da-da type noises. anyways basically I know NOTHING about how to do this, I did what seemed reasonable to me but all I got was nasty hiss and buzzing. I would appreciate ANY help or comments on how I may impliment this pedal. I had once dreamed about making money off this idea, however, it will never be built if I cant get some advice! By the way I intend to LOOP with it so its not totally OT!! Thanks Y'all Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface) Free Downloads at www.download.com/therealblackface _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ --Apple-Mail-1-666336436-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 17:13:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99FE93BF32; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:13:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <20050919164340.81229.qmail@web52808.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050919164340.81229.qmail@web52808.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-666428640 Message-Id: <8a4de09cfce5a53c55bcd3c680c1e125@bartholomusic.com> From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: EDP through rane SM82 problem Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 12:13:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 66.226.64.14 Resent-Message-ID: <-tReu.A.dL.0GvLDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:13:24 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-666428640 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed when u say disconnect, do u mean unplugging the power cord of everything else? ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 19, 2005, at 11:43 AM, Luis Angulo wrote: > Hi gang, > I am having humming problems with the edp plugged into > to my Rane SM82.I have a roland preamp,repeater EDP > and sm82 plugged into a juice goose power > conditioner,when i disconect the EDP the humming is > gone,but even if i disconect evrything and leave the > edp by itself it still humms.No problems through my > little VLZ1202 mackie though. > Also when i turn the rane sm82 off it makes my active > speakers make a big boom which doesnt happen with the > 1202,any ideas? > thanx > Luis > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > --Apple-Mail-2-666428640 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII when u say disconnect, do u mean unplugging the power cord of everything else? ___7979,0404,0909 Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 19, 2005, at 11:43 AM, Luis Angulo wrote: Hi gang, I am having humming problems with the edp plugged into to my Rane SM82.I have a roland preamp,repeater EDP and sm82 plugged into a juice goose power conditioner,when i disconect the EDP the humming is gone,but even if i disconect evrything and leave the edp by itself it still humms.No problems through my little VLZ1202 mackie though. Also when i turn the rane sm82 off it makes my active speakers make a big boom which doesnt happen with the 1202,any ideas? thanx Luis www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --Apple-Mail-2-666428640-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 17:23:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE3B23BF38; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:23:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: The Big(ish) Idea Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:25:10 +0200 Message-ID: <000601c5bd3f$16f7b910$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C5BD4F.DA808910" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <4eb97c663ca101c3ebb8d356e62d50ee@bartholomusic.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <1t3Z5C.A.tl.qQvLDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:23:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C5BD4F.DA808910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been doing this kind of thing using a multi-FX (think FireworX) plus a footswitch (also, the Roland V-xxxx series works if you connect a volume control in the signal chain to e.g. your CTRL pedal). =20 Adrian, why going active? Is there any reason to this? =20 Phil, another suggestion: Switch two could be the momentary foot switch that you describe. Switch one could operate Switch two's polarity switch and change it from normally off to normally on. (Of course switch two would be latching). So you could use the pedal to let signal pass when you press switch two ("gate mode") or to interrupt the signal when you press switch two ("slice mode"). If you put the device in slice mode and leave switch two alone, the thing is basically off. =20 -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Adrian Bartholomew [mailto:adrian@bartholomusic.com]=20 Gesendet: Montag, 19. September 2005 19:12 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: The Big(ish) Idea nice idea! it would be fun to loop that. i can build it for u. just let me know how big u want the box. how u want the buttons aligned and what type/size of buttons u want to use. i assume u want the standard... in on the right out on the left? now im not trying to put u down in anyway. u have a great creative mind. hats off to u for pursuing this. its a good idea but im afraid, not all that unique and involved to be awarded a patent. and it could be done in a million and one ways too, so anyone could run around ur patent anyway. see what im saying? meanwhile, back on the ranch. what do u envision paying for this to be built? the parts wont be that expensive at all and my labor cost would reasonable. we could always figure something out. the most expensive thing would be the box itself. i would do it with active electronics. ie with logic and analog chips that need power. simple 9V adaptor that could chain to ur existing pedals. also ill have true bypass to eliminate any clicking on and off. i already have the schematic in my head and the parts i need. i already have the components i need in my lab too. lucky u! i would just need to order the box and the switches of ur choice. radio shack most likely has the casing u need but i know they dont have any heavy duty foot switches. i need the double pole type to keep it true bypass and momentary for the 2nd switch. it should not click like the 1st on/off switch. just be spring loaded push on/release off. soft feel. if all this sounds like gibberish, im sorry. i get carried away. but not to worry. once we have all the parts we need, it would only take a week (i have a busy schedule)and u could have it in ur hands a few days after that. u would be responsible for painting and printing any logo u want though:-) text back privately. ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 19, 2005, at 11:35 AM, phill wilson wrote: Hi All Ok, so I have been hinting at building a pedal for a while now, for reasons that I won't go into, my Ego kind of wanted to keep the design some sort of secret,however this has led to nowhere for me so it is time to REVEAL ALL!!! Basically I want to make a foot operated device that allows a signal to pass only when the button is pressed. Kind of a Poor-Mans-Morse-Glitch Pedal. I envisaged building it as follows. two buttons button one simply being on / off In off position the signal is bypassed directly to the output jack in the On position it passes to the next momentary button. Button Two is the activation button, it is a push to make type switch so initially the signal is dead, however, when the button is pressed the sound is allowed to pass to the output. I can therefore strum a chord while it is off then tap the button rythmically to let small stabs of sound through. I came up with this when playing through a broken amp that you had to hold the jack in place in the input, i found that tapping the jack let me do dda-da-da type noises. anyways basically I know NOTHING about how to do this, I did what seemed reasonable to me but all I got was nasty hiss and buzzing. I would appreciate ANY help or comments on how I may impliment this pedal. I had once dreamed about making money off this idea, however, it will never be built if I cant get some advice! By the way I intend to LOOP with it so its not totally OT!! Thanks Y'all Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface) Free Downloads at www.download.com/therealblackface _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C5BD4F.DA808910 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nachricht
I have=20 been doing this kind of thing using a multi-FX (think FireworX) plus a=20 footswitch (also, the Roland V-xxxx series works if you connect a volume = control=20 in the signal chain to e.g. your CTRL pedal).
 
Adrian, why going active? Is there any reason to=20 this?
 
Phil,=20 another suggestion: Switch two could be the momentary foot switch that = you=20 describe. Switch one could operate Switch two's polarity switch and = change it=20 from normally off to normally on. (Of course switch two would be = latching). So=20 you could use the pedal to let signal pass when you press switch two = ("gate=20 mode") or to interrupt the signal when you press switch two ("slice = mode"). If=20 you put the device in slice mode and leave switch two alone, the thing = is=20 basically off.
 
-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Adrian = Bartholomew=20 [mailto:adrian@bartholomusic.com]
Gesendet: Montag, 19. = September=20 2005 19:12
An:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff: Re: The = Big(ish)=20 Idea

nice idea! it would be fun to loop that.
i = can=20 build it for u. just let me know how big u want the box. how u want = the=20 buttons aligned and what type/size of buttons u want to use. i assume = u want=20 the standard... in on the right out on the left?

now im not = trying to=20 put u down in anyway. u have a great creative mind. hats off to u for = pursuing=20 this. its a good idea but im afraid, not all that unique and involved = to be=20 awarded a patent. and it could be done in a million and one ways too, = so=20 anyone could run around ur patent anyway. see what im = saying?
meanwhile,=20 back on the ranch. what do u envision paying for this to be built? the = parts=20 wont be that expensive at all and my labor cost would reasonable. we = could=20 always figure something out.

the most expensive thing would be = the box=20 itself. i would do it with active electronics. ie with logic and = analog chips=20 that need power. simple 9V adaptor that could chain to ur existing = pedals.=20 also ill have true bypass to eliminate any clicking on and off.
i = already=20 have the schematic in my head and the parts i need. i already have the = components i need in my lab too. lucky u!
i would just need to = order the=20 box and the switches of ur choice. radio shack most likely has the = casing u=20 need but i know they dont have any heavy duty foot switches. i need = the double=20 pole type to keep it true bypass and momentary for the 2nd switch. it = should=20 not click like the 1st on/off switch. just be spring loaded push = on/release=20 off. soft feel.

if all this sounds like gibberish, im sorry. i = get=20 carried away.
but not to worry. once we have all the parts we need, = it=20 would only take a week (i have a busy schedule)and u could have it in = ur hands=20 a few days after that. u would be responsible for painting and = printing any=20 logo u want though:-)

text back = privately.

___
Adrian=20 Bartholomew
Leawood KS
On Sep 19, 2005, at 11:35 = AM, phill=20 wilson wrote:


Hi=20 All

Ok, so I have been hinting at building a pedal for a = while now,=20 for reasons that I won't go into, my Ego kind of wanted to keep the = design=20 some sort of secret,however this has led to nowhere for me so it is = time to=20 REVEAL ALL!!!

Basically I want to make a foot operated device = that=20 allows a signal to pass only when the button is pressed. Kind of a=20 Poor-Mans-Morse-Glitch Pedal.

I envisaged building it as=20 follows.

two buttons button one simply being on / off
In = off=20 position the signal is bypassed directly to the output jack
in = the On=20 position it passes to the next momentary button.

Button Two = is the=20 activation button,

it is a push to make type switch so = initially the=20 signal is dead, however, when the button is pressed the sound is = allowed to=20 pass to the output.

I can therefore strum a chord while it is = off=20 then tap the button rythmically to let small stabs of sound=20 through.

I came up with this when playing through a broken = amp that=20 you had to hold the jack in place in the input, i found that tapping = the=20 jack let me do dda-da-da type noises.

anyways basically I = know=20 NOTHING about how to do this, I did what seemed reasonable to me but = all I=20 got was nasty hiss and buzzing. I would appreciate ANY help or = comments on=20 how I may impliment this pedal.

I had once dreamed about = making money=20 off this idea, however, it will never be built if I cant get some=20 advice!

By the way I intend to LOOP with it so its not = totally=20 OT!!

Thanks Y'all

Phill Wilson (a.k.a. = Blackface)

Free=20 Downloads=20 = at

www.download.com/therealblackface

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= ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C5BD4F.DA808910-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 17:31:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DA6E3BF23; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:31:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-667501634 Message-Id: <2c059097cd428b85d1e0b08da9233f68@bartholomusic.com> From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: The Big(ish) Idea Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 12:31:13 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 66.226.64.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:31:23 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-667501634 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed another thing phil, it could a LOT more useful if u DIDNT have the click the thing on in the 1st place. cause as u envision currently, i could be, say, strumming along nicely in the middle of a song all happy and stuff and then i want to launch into my special "stutter box" section. but alas, i must beak the spell and go to silence for thats the initial state of the box when its turned on. bummer! until i depress the 2nd switch, i have silence. thats not very smooth or useable. so i have to figure out a way so that the box has ONE switch. kinda like the wah wah pedals u dont have to click on 1st. just start stuttering away with ur trusty footswitch! off the top of my head, starting the effect is no problem but having the signal throughput normally again AFTER ur final release of the stutter switch is a bit more involved. maybe a delay time window is in order where, within that time if no stutter switch depression is detected, throughput is once again the enstated. or!.... maybe u have the turn the unit OFF AFTER ur done with the stutter switch to get back normal signal. so.... use of the stutter switch automatically turns it ON. that would make more sense. so u have an OFF switch next to the stutter one. not an ON switch. ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 19, 2005, at 11:35 AM, phill wilson wrote: > > Hi All > > Ok, so I have been hinting at building a pedal for a while now, for > reasons that I won't go into, my Ego kind of wanted to keep the design > some sort of secret,however this has led to nowhere for me so it is > time to REVEAL ALL!!! > > Basically I want to make a foot operated device that allows a signal > to pass only when the button is pressed. Kind of a > Poor-Mans-Morse-Glitch Pedal. > > I envisaged building it as follows. > > two buttons button one simply being on / off > In off position the signal is bypassed directly to the output jack > in the On position it passes to the next momentary button. > > Button Two is the activation button, > > it is a push to make type switch so initially the signal is dead, > however, when the button is pressed the sound is allowed to pass to > the output. > > I can therefore strum a chord while it is off then tap the button > rythmically to let small stabs of sound through. > > I came up with this when playing through a broken amp that you had to > hold the jack in place in the input, i found that tapping the jack let > me do dda-da-da type noises. > > anyways basically I know NOTHING about how to do this, I did what > seemed reasonable to me but all I got was nasty hiss and buzzing. I > would appreciate ANY help or comments on how I may impliment this > pedal. > > I had once dreamed about making money off this idea, however, it will > never be built if I cant get some advice! > > By the way I intend to LOOP with it so its not totally OT!! > > Thanks Y'all > > Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface) > > Free Downloads at > > www.download.com/therealblackface > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search! > http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ > --Apple-Mail-3-667501634 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII another thing phil, it could a LOT more useful if u DIDNT have the click the thing on in the 1st place. cause as u envision currently, i could be, say, strumming along nicely in the middle of a song all happy and stuff and then i want to launch into my special "stutter box" section. but alas, i must beak the spell and go to silence for thats the initial state of the box when its turned on. bummer! until i depress the 2nd switch, i have silence. thats not very smooth or useable. so i have to figure out a way so that the box has ONE switch. kinda like the wah wah pedals u dont have to click on 1st. just start stuttering away with ur trusty footswitch! off the top of my head, starting the effect is no problem but having the signal throughput normally again AFTER ur final release of the stutter switch is a bit more involved. maybe a delay time window is in order where, within that time if no stutter switch depression is detected, throughput is once again the enstated. or!.... maybe u have the turn the unit OFF AFTER ur done with the stutter switch to get back normal signal. so.... use of the stutter switch automatically turns it ON. that would make more sense. so u have an OFF switch next to the stutter one. not an ON switch. ___7979,0404,0909 Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 19, 2005, at 11:35 AM, phill wilson wrote: Hi All Ok, so I have been hinting at building a pedal for a while now, for reasons that I won't go into, my Ego kind of wanted to keep the design some sort of secret,however this has led to nowhere for me so it is time to REVEAL ALL!!! Basically I want to make a foot operated device that allows a signal to pass only when the button is pressed. Kind of a Poor-Mans-Morse-Glitch Pedal. I envisaged building it as follows. two buttons button one simply being on / off In off position the signal is bypassed directly to the output jack in the On position it passes to the next momentary button. Button Two is the activation button, it is a push to make type switch so initially the signal is dead, however, when the button is pressed the sound is allowed to pass to the output. I can therefore strum a chord while it is off then tap the button rythmically to let small stabs of sound through. I came up with this when playing through a broken amp that you had to hold the jack in place in the input, i found that tapping the jack let me do dda-da-da type noises. anyways basically I know NOTHING about how to do this, I did what seemed reasonable to me but all I got was nasty hiss and buzzing. I would appreciate ANY help or comments on how I may impliment this pedal. I had once dreamed about making money off this idea, however, it will never be built if I cant get some advice! By the way I intend to LOOP with it so its not totally OT!! Thanks Y'all Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface) Free Downloads at www.download.com/therealblackface _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ --Apple-Mail-3-667501634-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 17:33:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BB403BF3A; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:33:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 12:33:15 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Programming Rocktron All Access - HELP!!!! In-reply-to: <432EEAD4.6030003@finleysound.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <432EF65B.8070204@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <432EEAD4.6030003@finleysound.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:33:23 +0000 (UTC) You must have Source# set to 36. The programming for Substitute is surprising. You're using the virtual Substitute button with a momentary switch but sending non-zero on both the down and up transitions. The effect will be a sustained Substitute, but to the EDP it looks like two long presses of the non-sustain Substitute. If want you want is SUSSubstitute, then the "correct" programming would be CC# 58 with On/Off 1/0. I don't think the EDP defines what a long press of Substitute means, but it is possible that this is effecting the way Speed and Reverse behave. The programming for Undo has the same problem. I don't see how this can work, you're effectively performing two long presses of the virtual Undo button every time you tap the switch. At the very least, I would expect you to be undoing two layers at a time instead of just one but maybe the EDP is smart enough to ignore the second long press if the first one is still active. Again, On/Off should be 1/0, the CC# is ok. If what you want is to always perform a LongUndo without having to hold the switch down, then use CC# 67 instead. I'm not sure why Reset would behave inconsistently, but it may be related to the other two problems. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 18:01:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51BC03BEFC; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=U34AaWpSwnBzSH6juevR1pGBoguywBhHuhtyQBhbSRkURneXs9/EVTMlFAVOl42AC88LJXvEWDY0F+z7+Rdramf805yZIzYXdWvoIbQHdbCiTFgmFoR3KjnKA67ba3h+FAp154536OnKunsTm4/VL5XkJ7p1yA/vb+aXdWolG0Y= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:01:41 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: travishartnett@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP through rane SM82 problem In-Reply-To: <20050919164340.81229.qmail@web52808.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_422_23115085.1127152901313" References: <004d01c5b9cf$4e2dcb40$2101a8c0@alhambra> <20050919164340.81229.qmail@web52808.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:01:43 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_422_23115085.1127152901313 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Doesn't the SM82 prefer balanced connections? Is there a hum if you bypass= =20 the Rane? The "boom" when you're powering down is because the Mackie has a "soft=20 power down", and the Rane doesn't. You just need to be old school and=20 remember to power down the active speakers first. Or, you could try turning= =20 the master out on the Rane all the way down and then power down. On 9/19/05, Luis Angulo wrote:=20 >=20 > Hi gang, > I am having humming problems with the edp plugged into > to my Rane SM82.I have a roland preamp,repeater EDP > and sm82 plugged into a juice goose power > conditioner,when i disconect the EDP the humming is > gone,but even if i disconect evrything and leave the > edp by itself it still humms.No problems through my > little VLZ1202 mackie though. > Also when i turn the rane sm82 off it makes my active > speakers make a big boom which doesnt happen with the > 1202,any ideas? > thanx > Luis >=20 > www.luis-angulo.com >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com >=20 > ------=_Part_422_23115085.1127152901313 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Doesn't the SM82 prefer balanced connections?  Is there a hum if = you bypass the Rane?
 
The "boom" when you're powering down is because the Mackie h= as a "soft power down", and the Rane doesn't.  You just need= to be old school and remember to power down the active speakers first.&nbs= p; Or, you could try turning the master out on the Rane all the way down an= d then power down.

 
On 9/19/05, = Luis Angulo <labalou2000@ya= hoo.com> wrote:
Hi gang,
I am having humming = problems with the edp plugged into
to my Rane SM82.I have a roland pream= p,repeater EDP
and sm82 plugged into a juice goose power
conditioner,when i discone= ct the EDP the humming is
gone,but even if i disconect evrything and lea= ve the
edp by itself it still humms.No problems through my
little VLZ= 1202 mackie though.
Also when i turn the rane sm82 off it makes my active
speakers make = a big boom which doesnt happen with the
1202,any ideas?
thanx
Luis=

www.luis-angulo.com

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------=_Part_422_23115085.1127152901313-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 18:02:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E87C3BF1D; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:02:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <000601c5bd3f$16f7b910$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> References: <000601c5bd3f$16f7b910$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-669372445 Message-Id: <2b4a5a48efb6e10c335ccbfef1e4379f@bartholomusic.com> From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: AW: The Big(ish) Idea Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:02:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 66.226.64.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:02:35 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4-669372445 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed for reasons exactly like u described. new ideas could be implemented=20 easily. imagine the involvement of going switch 1 latching if it were=20 all manual hard wired switches. let the chip do the work for u. and=20 they're literally CENTS in the way of cost. i like ur idea though. it could simply be a latching polarity switch.=20= problem is that u still have to hit that switch, effectively silencing=20= ur gtr, BEFORE u start stuttering. something to be avoided. it should be: =95 im playing--- my gtr signal is going from input to output nicely. =95 i depress switch 2-"STUTTER" (momentary) ---no change. i still hear=20= my guitar =95 i release----silence =95 i press---sound =95 i release---no sound =95 i hit the switch 1"BYPASS" (latching)----playing goes back to normal since im accustomed to depressing a footswitch to hear sound anyway,=20 its much more natural to hit switch one instead of 2 get back sound=20 normally. the other way is awkward. i hit switch 1 to silence THEN start=20 stuttering with switch 2. if however u have a 3rd switch "POLARITY"(latching), then is u have it=20= the other way around, then u could leave the unit on and simply start=20 "negative" stuttering by playing with switch 2. thats interesting. one small design issue---hitting the polarity switch should toggle the=20= bypass switch automatically thereby forcing the signal to go through=20 the stutter switch. bypass mode ignores the stutter switch. 1 more logic chip could do all that. ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 19, 2005, at 12:25 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill=20 wrote: > I have been doing this kind of thing using a multi-FX (think FireworX)=20= > plus a footswitch (also, the Roland V-xxxx series works if you connect=20= > a volume control in the signal chain to e.g. your CTRL pedal). > =A0 > Adrian, why going active? Is there any reason to this? > =A0 > Phil, another suggestion: Switch two could be the momentary foot=20 > switch that you describe. Switch one could operate Switch two's=20 > polarity switch and change it from normally off to normally on. (Of=20 > course switch two would be latching). So you could use the pedal to=20 > let signal pass when you press switch two ("gate mode") or to=20 > interrupt the signal when you press switch two ("slice mode"). If you=20= > put the device in slice mode and leave switch two alone, the thing is=20= > basically off. > =A0 > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Adrian Bartholomew [mailto:adrian@bartholomusic.com] > Gesendet: Montag, 19. September 2005 19:12 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: The Big(ish) Idea > > nice idea! it would be fun to loop that. > i can build it for u. just let me know how big u want the box. how u=20= > want the buttons aligned and what type/size of buttons u want to use.=20= > i assume u want the standard... in on the right out on the left? > > now im not trying to put u down in anyway. u have a great creative=20 > mind. hats off to u for pursuing this. its a good idea but im afraid,=20= > not all that unique and involved to be awarded a patent. and it could=20= > be done in a million and one ways too, so anyone could run around ur=20= > patent anyway. see what im saying? > meanwhile, back on the ranch. what do u envision paying for this to be=20= > built? the parts wont be that expensive at all and my labor cost would=20= > reasonable. we could always figure something out. > > the most expensive thing would be the box itself. i would do it with=20= > active electronics. ie with logic and analog chips that need power.=20 > simple 9V adaptor that could chain to ur existing pedals. also ill=20 > have true bypass to eliminate any clicking on and off. > i already have the schematic in my head and the parts i need. i=20 > already have the components i need in my lab too. lucky u! > i would just need to order the box and the switches of ur choice.=20 > radio shack most likely has the casing u need but i know they dont=20 > have any heavy duty foot switches. i need the double pole type to keep=20= > it true bypass and momentary for the 2nd switch. it should not click=20= > like the 1st on/off switch. just be spring loaded push on/release off.=20= > soft feel. > > if all this sounds like gibberish, im sorry. i get carried away. > but not to worry. once we have all the parts we need, it would only=20 > take a week (i have a busy schedule)and u could have it in ur hands a=20= > few days after that. u would be responsible for painting and printing=20= > any logo u want though:-) > > text back privately. > > ___ > Adrian Bartholomew > Leawood KS > On Sep 19, 2005, at 11:35 AM, phill wilson wrote: > > > > Hi All > > Ok, so I have been hinting at building a pedal for a while now, for=20 > reasons that I won't go into, my Ego kind of wanted to keep the design=20= > some sort of secret,however this has led to nowhere for me so it is=20 > time to REVEAL ALL!!! > > Basically I want to make a foot operated device that allows a signal=20= > to pass only when the button is pressed. Kind of a=20 > Poor-Mans-Morse-Glitch Pedal. > > I envisaged building it as follows. > > two buttons button one simply being on / off > In off position the signal is bypassed directly to the output jack > in the On position it passes to the next momentary button. > > Button Two is the activation button, > > it is a push to make type switch so initially the signal is dead,=20 > however, when the button is pressed the sound is allowed to pass to=20 > the output. > > I can therefore strum a chord while it is off then tap the button=20 > rythmically to let small stabs of sound through. > > I came up with this when playing through a broken amp that you had to=20= > hold the jack in place in the input, i found that tapping the jack let=20= > me do dda-da-da type noises. > > anyways basically I know NOTHING about how to do this, I did what=20 > seemed reasonable to me but all I got was nasty hiss and buzzing. I=20 > would appreciate ANY help or comments on how I may impliment this=20 > pedal. > > I had once dreamed about making money off this idea, however, it will=20= > never be built if I cant get some advice! > > By the way I intend to LOOP with it so its not totally OT!! > > Thanks Y'all > > Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface) > > Free Downloads at > > www.download.com/therealblackface > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search!=20 > http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ > --Apple-Mail-4-669372445 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 for reasons exactly like u described. new ideas could be implemented easily. imagine the involvement of going switch 1 latching if it were all manual hard wired switches. let the chip do the work for u. and they're literally CENTS in the way of cost. i like ur idea though. it could simply be a latching polarity switch. problem is that u still have to hit that switch, effectively silencing ur gtr, BEFORE u start stuttering. something to be avoided. it should be: =95 im playing--- my gtr signal is going from input to output nicely. =95 i depress switch 2-"STUTTER" (momentary) ---no change. i still hear my guitar =95 i release----silence =95 i press---sound =95 i release---no sound =95 i hit the switch 1"BYPASS" (latching)----playing goes back to normal since im accustomed to depressing a footswitch to hear sound anyway, its much more natural to hit switch one instead of 2 get back sound normally. the other way is awkward. i hit switch 1 to silence THEN start stuttering with switch 2. if however u have a 3rd switch "POLARITY"(latching), then is u have it the other way around, then u could leave the unit on and simply start "negative" stuttering by playing with switch 2. thats interesting. one small design issue---hitting the polarity switch should toggle the bypass switch automatically thereby forcing the signal to go through the stutter switch. bypass mode ignores the stutter switch. 1 more logic chip could do all that. ___7979,0404,0909 Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 19, 2005, at 12:25 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: = Arial0000,0000,FFFFI have been doing this kind of thing using a multi-FX (think FireworX) plus a footswitch (also, the Roland V-xxxx series works if you connect a volume control in the signal chain to e.g. your CTRL = pedal). =A0 = Arial0000,0000,FFFFAdrian, why going active? Is there any reason to = this? =A0 = Arial0000,0000,FFFFPhil, another suggestion: Switch two could be the momentary foot switch that you describe. Switch one could operate Switch two's polarity switch and change it from normally off to normally on. (Of course switch two would be latching). So you could use the pedal to let signal pass when you press switch two ("gate mode") or to interrupt the signal when you press switch two ("slice mode"). If you put the device in slice mode and leave switch two alone, the thing is basically = off. =A0 Tahoma-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- = TahomaVon:Tahoma Adrian Bartholomew = [mailto:adrian@bartholomusic.com] Tahoma Gesendet: Montag, 19. September 2005 19:12 = TahomaAn:= Tahoma Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com = TahomaBetreff:Tahoma Re: The Big(ish) Idea nice idea! it would be fun to loop that. i can build it for u. just let me know how big u want the box. how u want the buttons aligned and what type/size of buttons u want to use. i assume u want the standard... in on the right out on the left? now im not trying to put u down in anyway. u have a great creative mind. hats off to u for pursuing this. its a good idea but im afraid, not all that unique and involved to be awarded a patent. and it could be done in a million and one ways too, so anyone could run around ur patent anyway. see what im saying? meanwhile, back on the ranch. what do u envision paying for this to be built? the parts wont be that expensive at all and my labor cost would reasonable. we could always figure something out. the most expensive thing would be the box itself. i would do it with active electronics. ie with logic and analog chips that need power. simple 9V adaptor that could chain to ur existing pedals. also ill have true bypass to eliminate any clicking on and off. i already have the schematic in my head and the parts i need. i already have the components i need in my lab too. lucky u! i would just need to order the box and the switches of ur choice. radio shack most likely has the casing u need but i know they dont have any heavy duty foot switches. i need the double pole type to keep it true bypass and momentary for the 2nd switch. it should not click like the 1st on/off switch. just be spring loaded push on/release off. soft feel. if all this sounds like gibberish, im sorry. i get carried away. but not to worry. once we have all the parts we need, it would only take a week (i have a busy schedule)and u could have it in ur hands a few days after that. u would be responsible for painting and printing any logo u want though:-) text back privately. ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 19, 2005, at 11:35 AM, phill wilson wrote: Hi All Ok, so I have been hinting at building a pedal for a while now, for reasons that I won't go into, my Ego kind of wanted to keep the design some sort of secret,however this has led to nowhere for me so it is time to REVEAL ALL!!! Basically I want to make a foot operated device that allows a signal to pass only when the button is pressed. Kind of a Poor-Mans-Morse-Glitch Pedal. I envisaged building it as follows. two buttons button one simply being on / off In off position the signal is bypassed directly to the output jack in the On position it passes to the next momentary button. Button Two is the activation button, it is a push to make type switch so initially the signal is dead, however, when the button is pressed the sound is allowed to pass to the output. I can therefore strum a chord while it is off then tap the button rythmically to let small stabs of sound through. I came up with this when playing through a broken amp that you had to hold the jack in place in the input, i found that tapping the jack let me do dda-da-da type noises. anyways basically I know NOTHING about how to do this, I did what seemed reasonable to me but all I got was nasty hiss and buzzing. I would appreciate ANY help or comments on how I may impliment this pedal. I had once dreamed about making money off this idea, however, it will never be built if I cant get some advice! By the way I intend to LOOP with it so its not totally OT!! Thanks Y'all Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface) Free Downloads at www.download.com/therealblackface _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ = --Apple-Mail-4-669372445-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 18:18:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FE7F3BF1B; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:18:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-670352242 Message-Id: <63e80f67b4f57850085936a41fa4d062@bartholomusic.com> From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: The Big(ish) Idea Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:18:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 66.226.64.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:18:51 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5-670352242 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed omg dude. uve stumbled across a great tool. now uve got ME thinkin Phil! so the box has 3 buttons. BYPASS, STUTTER, POLARITY. i play a really fast tremolo on one note on my gtr. i have the box in neg polarity. so im hearing what i play. i hit rec on the edp and start stuttering. when i hit the stutter switch my playing is silenced (neg polarity, remember?). so the rhythm is created with spaces. i hit rec on the edp. it starts playing back. good. i toggle the polarity switch. its now positive(silence except when i depress). i hit the stutter switch (this latches off the bypass switch automatically effectively rendering my gtr silent until i depress the stutter switch). i hit overdub on the edp. i tremolo another note far from the 1st one. i play the exact rhythm on the stutter switch only this time my note plays in all the previous spaces!. i hit rec on the edp. VOILA! an impossible technique to play live. im DEFINITELY building one. PS: thanks for ur polarity idea Rainer ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 19, 2005, at 11:35 AM, phill wilson wrote: > > Hi All > > Ok, so I have been hinting at building a pedal for a while now, for > reasons that I won't go into, my Ego kind of wanted to keep the design > some sort of secret,however this has led to nowhere for me so it is > time to REVEAL ALL!!! > > Basically I want to make a foot operated device that allows a signal > to pass only when the button is pressed. Kind of a > Poor-Mans-Morse-Glitch Pedal. > > I envisaged building it as follows. > > two buttons button one simply being on / off > In off position the signal is bypassed directly to the output jack > in the On position it passes to the next momentary button. > > Button Two is the activation button, > > it is a push to make type switch so initially the signal is dead, > however, when the button is pressed the sound is allowed to pass to > the output. > > I can therefore strum a chord while it is off then tap the button > rythmically to let small stabs of sound through. > > I came up with this when playing through a broken amp that you had to > hold the jack in place in the input, i found that tapping the jack let > me do dda-da-da type noises. > > anyways basically I know NOTHING about how to do this, I did what > seemed reasonable to me but all I got was nasty hiss and buzzing. I > would appreciate ANY help or comments on how I may impliment this > pedal. > > I had once dreamed about making money off this idea, however, it will > never be built if I cant get some advice! > > By the way I intend to LOOP with it so its not totally OT!! > > Thanks Y'all > > Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface) > > Free Downloads at > > www.download.com/therealblackface > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search! > http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ > --Apple-Mail-5-670352242 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII omg dude. uve stumbled across a great tool. now uve got ME thinkin Phil! so the box has 3 buttons. BYPASS, STUTTER, POLARITY. i play a really fast tremolo on one note on my gtr. i have the box in neg polarity. so im hearing what i play. i hit rec on the edp and start stuttering. when i hit the stutter switch my playing is silenced (neg polarity, remember?). so the rhythm is created with spaces. i hit rec on the edp. it starts playing back. good. i toggle the polarity switch. its now positive(silence except when i depress). i hit the stutter switch (this latches off the bypass switch automatically effectively rendering my gtr silent until i depress the stutter switch). i hit overdub on the edp. i tremolo another note far from the 1st one. i play the exact rhythm on the stutter switch only this time my note plays in all the previous spaces!. i hit rec on the edp. VOILA! an impossible technique to play live. im DEFINITELY building one. PS: thanks for ur polarity idea Rainer ___7979,0404,0909 Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 19, 2005, at 11:35 AM, phill wilson wrote: Hi All Ok, so I have been hinting at building a pedal for a while now, for reasons that I won't go into, my Ego kind of wanted to keep the design some sort of secret,however this has led to nowhere for me so it is time to REVEAL ALL!!! Basically I want to make a foot operated device that allows a signal to pass only when the button is pressed. Kind of a Poor-Mans-Morse-Glitch Pedal. I envisaged building it as follows. two buttons button one simply being on / off In off position the signal is bypassed directly to the output jack in the On position it passes to the next momentary button. Button Two is the activation button, it is a push to make type switch so initially the signal is dead, however, when the button is pressed the sound is allowed to pass to the output. I can therefore strum a chord while it is off then tap the button rythmically to let small stabs of sound through. I came up with this when playing through a broken amp that you had to hold the jack in place in the input, i found that tapping the jack let me do dda-da-da type noises. anyways basically I know NOTHING about how to do this, I did what seemed reasonable to me but all I got was nasty hiss and buzzing. I would appreciate ANY help or comments on how I may impliment this pedal. I had once dreamed about making money off this idea, however, it will never be built if I cant get some advice! By the way I intend to LOOP with it so its not totally OT!! Thanks Y'all Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface) Free Downloads at www.download.com/therealblackface _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ --Apple-Mail-5-670352242-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 18:26:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D77E53BF1E; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:26:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: sustain type foot controller into a PMC? was: RE: The Big(ish) Idea Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:26:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <4eb97c663ca101c3ebb8d356e62d50ee@bartholomusic.com> Thread-Index: AcW9PT++fHkCkgfpQ4qacIrUbskpXgACVCaw Message-Id: <20050919182608.JXCJ18416.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:26:09 +0000 (UTC) Hey Guys, how much? Sounds like a great idea!--instant tremolo! Can this be done with MIDI on the EDP? What happens when you put a sustain type foot controller into a PMC? Gary From: Adrian Bartholomew [mailto:adrian@bartholomusic.com] Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 10:12 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Big(ish) Idea nice idea! it would be fun to loop that. i can build it for u. just let me know how big u want the box. how u want the buttons aligned and what type/size of buttons u want to use. i assume u want the standard... in on the right out on the left? meanwhile, back on the ranch. what do u envision paying for this to be built? the parts wont be that expensive at all and my labor cost would reasonable. we could always figure something out. the most expensive thing would be the box itself. i would do it with active electronics. ie with logic and analog chips that need power. simple 9V adaptor that could chain to ur existing pedals. also ill have true bypass to eliminate any clicking on and off. i already have the schematic in my head and the parts i need. i already have the components i need in my lab too. lucky u! i would just need to order the box and the switches of ur choice. radio shack most likely has the casing u need but i know they dont have any heavy duty foot switches. i need the double pole type to keep it true bypass and momentary for the 2nd switch. it should not click like the 1st on/off switch. just be spring loaded push on/release off. soft feel. Adrian Bartholomew On Sep 19, 2005, at 11:35 AM, phill wilson wrote this original post-- Hi All Ok, so I have been hinting at building a pedal for a while now, for reasons that I won't go into, my Ego kind of wanted to keep the design some sort of secret,however this has led to nowhere for me so it is time to REVEAL ALL!!! Basically I want to make a foot operated device that allows a signal to pass only when the button is pressed. Kind of a Poor-Mans-Morse-Glitch Pedal. I envisaged building it as follows. two buttons button one simply being on / off In off position the signal is bypassed directly to the output jack in the On position it passes to the next momentary button. Button Two is the activation button, it is a push to make type switch so initially the signal is dead, however, when the button is pressed the sound is allowed to pass to the output. I can therefore strum a chord while it is off then tap the button rythmically to let small stabs of sound through. I came up with this when playing through a broken amp that you had to hold the jack in place in the input, i found that tapping the jack let me do dda-da-da type noises. anyways basically I know NOTHING about how to do this, I did what seemed reasonable to me but all I got was nasty hiss and buzzing. I would appreciate ANY help or comments on how I may impliment this pedal. I had once dreamed about making money off this idea, however, it will never be built if I cant get some advice! By the way I intend to LOOP with it so its not totally OT!! Thanks Y'all Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface) Free Downloads at www.download.com/therealblackface From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 18:36:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8955D3BF1C; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:36:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <20050919182608.JXCJ18416.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20050919182608.JXCJ18416.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6-671432803 Message-Id: From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: sustain type foot controller into a PMC? was: RE: The Big(ish) Idea Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:36:44 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 66.226.64.14 Resent-Message-ID: <0xw6PD.A.x_D.HVwLDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:36:55 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6-671432803 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed well im sure it could be done easily with the edp. if the edp could have mute in non-latch fashion, great. note on, sound, note off, mute. but it wont record. thats playback only. this is analog going INTO the EDP. THAT U CAN SCREW AROUND WITH. how much would u pay for something like this? ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 19, 2005, at 1:26 PM, Gary Lehmann wrote: > Hey Guys, how much? Sounds like a great idea!--instant tremolo! > > Can this be done with MIDI on the EDP? What happens when you put a > sustain > type foot controller into a PMC? > Gary > > From: Adrian Bartholomew [mailto:adrian@bartholomusic.com] > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 10:12 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: The Big(ish) Idea > > nice idea! it would be fun to loop that. > i can build it for u. just let me know how big u want the box. how u > want > the buttons aligned and what type/size of buttons u want to use. i > assume u > want the standard... in on the right out on the left? > > > > meanwhile, back on the ranch. what do u envision paying for this to be > built? the parts wont be that expensive at all and my labor cost would > reasonable. we could always figure something out. > > the most expensive thing would be the box itself. i would do it with > active > electronics. ie with logic and analog chips that need power. simple 9V > adaptor that could chain to ur existing pedals. also ill have true > bypass to > eliminate any clicking on and off. > i already have the schematic in my head and the parts i need. i > already have > the components i need in my lab too. lucky u! > i would just need to order the box and the switches of ur choice. radio > shack most likely has the casing u need but i know they dont have any > heavy > duty foot switches. i need the double pole type to keep it true bypass > and > momentary for the 2nd switch. it should not click like the 1st on/off > switch. just be spring loaded push on/release off. soft feel. > > > Adrian Bartholomew > > > On Sep 19, 2005, at 11:35 AM, phill wilson wrote this original post-- > > Hi All > > Ok, so I have been hinting at building a pedal for a while now, for > reasons > that I won't go into, my Ego kind of wanted to keep the design some > sort of > secret,however this has led to nowhere for me so it is time to REVEAL > ALL!!! > > Basically I want to make a foot operated device that allows a signal > to pass > only when the button is pressed. Kind of a Poor-Mans-Morse-Glitch > Pedal. > > I envisaged building it as follows. > > two buttons button one simply being on / off > In off position the signal is bypassed directly to the output jack > in the On position it passes to the next momentary button. > > Button Two is the activation button, > > it is a push to make type switch so initially the signal is dead, > however, > when the button is pressed the sound is allowed to pass to the output. > > I can therefore strum a chord while it is off then tap the button > rythmically to let small stabs of sound through. > > I came up with this when playing through a broken amp that you had to > hold > the jack in place in the input, i found that tapping the jack let me do > dda-da-da type noises. > > anyways basically I know NOTHING about how to do this, I did what > seemed > reasonable to me but all I got was nasty hiss and buzzing. I would > appreciate ANY help or comments on how I may impliment this pedal. > > I had once dreamed about making money off this idea, however, it will > never > be built if I cant get some advice! > > By the way I intend to LOOP with it so its not totally OT!! > > Thanks Y'all > > Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface) > > Free Downloads at > > www.download.com/therealblackface > > --Apple-Mail-6-671432803 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII well im sure it could be done easily with the edp. if the edp could have mute in non-latch fashion, great. note on, sound, note off, mute. but it wont record. thats playback only. this is analog going INTO the EDP. THAT U CAN SCREW AROUND WITH. how much would u pay for something like this? ___7979,0404,0909 Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 19, 2005, at 1:26 PM, Gary Lehmann wrote: Hey Guys, how much? Sounds like a great idea!--instant tremolo! Can this be done with MIDI on the EDP? What happens when you put a sustain type foot controller into a PMC? Gary From: Adrian Bartholomew [mailto:adrian@bartholomusic.com] Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 10:12 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Big(ish) Idea nice idea! it would be fun to loop that. i can build it for u. just let me know how big u want the box. how u want the buttons aligned and what type/size of buttons u want to use. i assume u want the standard... in on the right out on the left? < meanwhile, back on the ranch. what do u envision paying for this to be built? the parts wont be that expensive at all and my labor cost would reasonable. we could always figure something out. the most expensive thing would be the box itself. i would do it with active electronics. ie with logic and analog chips that need power. simple 9V adaptor that could chain to ur existing pedals. also ill have true bypass to eliminate any clicking on and off. i already have the schematic in my head and the parts i need. i already have the components i need in my lab too. lucky u! i would just need to order the box and the switches of ur choice. radio shack most likely has the casing u need but i know they dont have any heavy duty foot switches. i need the double pole type to keep it true bypass and momentary for the 2nd switch. it should not click like the 1st on/off switch. just be spring loaded push on/release off. soft feel. Adrian Bartholomew On Sep 19, 2005, at 11:35 AM, phill wilson wrote this original post-- Hi All Ok, so I have been hinting at building a pedal for a while now, for reasons that I won't go into, my Ego kind of wanted to keep the design some sort of secret,however this has led to nowhere for me so it is time to REVEAL ALL!!! Basically I want to make a foot operated device that allows a signal to pass only when the button is pressed. Kind of a Poor-Mans-Morse-Glitch Pedal. I envisaged building it as follows. two buttons button one simply being on / off In off position the signal is bypassed directly to the output jack in the On position it passes to the next momentary button. Button Two is the activation button, it is a push to make type switch so initially the signal is dead, however, when the button is pressed the sound is allowed to pass to the output. I can therefore strum a chord while it is off then tap the button rythmically to let small stabs of sound through. I came up with this when playing through a broken amp that you had to hold the jack in place in the input, i found that tapping the jack let me do dda-da-da type noises. anyways basically I know NOTHING about how to do this, I did what seemed reasonable to me but all I got was nasty hiss and buzzing. I would appreciate ANY help or comments on how I may impliment this pedal. I had once dreamed about making money off this idea, however, it will never be built if I cant get some advice! By the way I intend to LOOP with it so its not totally OT!! Thanks Y'all Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface) Free Downloads at www.download.com/therealblackface --Apple-Mail-6-671432803-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 18:37:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 874653BF29; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:37:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <20050919182608.JXCJ18416.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20050919182608.JXCJ18416.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9C1A71E5-DCA2-4224-AEE1-ED9054D8D072@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: sustain type foot controller into a PMC? was: RE: The Big(ish) Idea Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:37:06 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:37:09 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 19, 2005, at 20:26, Gary Lehmann wrote: > Hey Guys, how much? Sounds like a great idea!--instant tremolo! > Can this be done with MIDI on the EDP? Guess so. One way I know about is to run a computer synced to the EDP. Use any type of MIDI foot pedal to start a MIDI sequence in the computer that sends the appropriate stream of commands into the EDP. I'm using Ableton Live for stuff like that, but other software might work as well. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 18:41:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 829613BF2E; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:41:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <9C1A71E5-DCA2-4224-AEE1-ED9054D8D072@boysen.se> References: <20050919182608.JXCJ18416.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> <9C1A71E5-DCA2-4224-AEE1-ED9054D8D072@boysen.se> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7-671731632 Message-Id: From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: sustain type foot controller into a PMC? was: RE: The Big(ish) Idea Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:41:43 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 66.226.64.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:41:52 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7-671731632 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed yaaaay, im getting my ableton live tomorrow. i cant wait! ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 19, 2005, at 1:37 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Sep 19, 2005, at 20:26, Gary Lehmann wrote: > >> Hey Guys, how much? Sounds like a great idea!--instant tremolo! >> Can this be done with MIDI on the EDP? > > Guess so. One way I know about is to run a computer synced to the EDP. > Use any type of MIDI foot pedal to start a MIDI sequence in the > computer that sends the appropriate stream of commands into the EDP. > I'm using Ableton Live for stuff like that, but other software might > work as well. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > --Apple-Mail-7-671731632 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII yaaaay, im getting my ableton live tomorrow. i cant wait! ___7979,0404,0909 Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 19, 2005, at 1:37 PM, Per Boysen wrote: On Sep 19, 2005, at 20:26, Gary Lehmann wrote: Hey Guys, how much? Sounds like a great idea!--instant tremolo! Can this be done with MIDI on the EDP? Guess so. One way I know about is to run a computer synced to the EDP. Use any type of MIDI foot pedal to start a MIDI sequence in the computer that sends the appropriate stream of commands into the EDP. I'm using Ableton Live for stuff like that, but other software might work as well. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen --Apple-Mail-7-671731632-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 18:58:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DEFEB3BF1A; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:58:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=VBzzS0/onfUX7h+Eo3Tk9SZ6Nukfc4HvRqgXaWYTpuwv/kMSoXUSlpnw1lHyMI3B; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22005911919235160@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: MIDI Octopus Re: Programming Rocktron All Access - HELP!!!! Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 15:02:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9406cac558f3f2e98b6d9123504e594c1ff350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.129.54 Resent-Message-ID: <4xv9uD.A.pGF.lpwLDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:58:45 +0000 (UTC) On a vaguely related note, a friend was clearing out his basement and bequeathed unto me a MIDI Octopus from the 1980s. I know so little about it that I'm not sure how to even see if it works or if I should keep it or ebay it. It has a MIDI In and 8 outputs. Do any of you fine citizens know anything about it? Yours in Adrian Belew, Tim > [Original Message] > From: Adrian Bartholomew > To: > Date: 9/18/2005 11:16:54 AM > Subject: Re: Programming Rocktron All Access - HELP!!!! > > i stand corrected > ___ > Adrian Bartholomew > Leawood KS > On Sep 17, 2005, at 8:56 PM, Doug Cox wrote: > > > It can send CC's along with PC's, but it can't send on/off CC's in a > > "momentary" fashion. Therefore, you can't use CC's to control the > > basic EDP functions with the FCB1010. > > > > Dig > > > > Adrian Bartholomew wrote: > > > >> kim, i may be wrong here but i believe the 1010 can be set to send > >> cc's automatically once a preset is chosen just like with notes. i > >> remember seeing that. > >> ___* > >> Adrian Bartholomew > >> *Leawood KS > >> On Sep 17, 2005, at 6:56 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > >> > >> At 08:18 AM 9/17/2005, Craig Mitchell wrote: > >> > >> How are people programming the All Access? Are you using > >> Control Numbers via Instant Access switches? Or are you using > >> Note ON/OFF via the Custom settings for presets? > >> > >> > >> I'm pretty sure the All Access has the flexibility to be set up to > >> use either. The FCB1010 can only control the echoplex using notes. > >> (sorry I don't use an All Access so I don't know the programming > >> steps.) > >> > >> > >> With the Echoplexes set to 'Controlsource=CNTR' I have been > >> using the Instant Access switches to trigger various > >> functions. > >> > >> Record - This works but sometimes when I press the button it > >> starts recording a clears right away. A second press gets it > >> recording properly and I can loop. > >> > >> > >> I think I see your problem. The Echoplex wants to see a midi > >> command for both the pressing of the button AND the release of the > >> button. This is how it can tell if you are doing a short press or > >> a long press. It sounds like your controller is not sending the > >> "off" message when you release the button. > >> > >> If you are using Notes, this means the midi controller sends a > >> NoteOn message when you press the button, and the corresponding > >> NoteOff message when you release the button. (like the way a midi > >> keyboard would do it.) > >> > >> If you are using Continuous Controller messages, the controller > >> should send the appropriate controller number with a positive > >> value (like 64 or something) when you press the button. Then when > >> you release the button, it should send the same controller with > >> value 0. > >> > >> Usually this means programming the midi controller to treat its > >> buttons as Momentary. It sounds like you might have the in > >> Latching mode. (where the first press sends the On, and the second > >> press sends the off) > >> > >> > >> Can one replicate the Echoplex pedalboard function of holding > >> down the record button and clearing the loop with the All > >> Access via midi? > >> > >> > >> yes, definitely! that's the idea of using the on/off concept. > >> That's the only way with midi to communicate that you are holding > >> a button down (sustained) or releasing it quickly. This allows the > >> Echoplex to get more functions out of less buttons. Otherwise > >> there would have to be lots of extra buttons to control even the > >> basic features of the echoplex, which would be awkward to use and > >> take up too much space. > >> > >> Hope this helps, > >> kim > >> > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________________ > >> > >> Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > >> kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com > >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 19:07:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8770D3BF3E; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:07:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: EDP through rane SM82 problem Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 12:07:19 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20050919164340.81229.qmail@web52808.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <7kB4t.A.6sF.pxwLDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:07:21 +0000 (UTC) rane suggests that you ground their mixer to what ever chassis or rack case you are using. also if yours uses a wall wart, try moving it away from the rest of your gear to see if that helps. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Luis Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 9:44 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP through rane SM82 problem Hi gang, I am having humming problems with the edp plugged into to my Rane SM82.I have a roland preamp,repeater EDP and sm82 plugged into a juice goose power conditioner,when i disconect the EDP the humming is gone,but even if i disconect evrything and leave the edp by itself it still humms.No problems through my little VLZ1202 mackie though. Also when i turn the rane sm82 off it makes my active speakers make a big boom which doesnt happen with the 1202,any ideas? thanx Luis www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 19:09:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3976D3BF42; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:09:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Y3/O9Gq+web8H6zVWhritvYwIuvz/L9Aj6mUr9M62tJrXBbKI3AgTf+U2CtcdmTK; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22005911919134440@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: The Big(ish) Idea Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 15:13:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94073fef82c722d5c229eb56197bdad6fdd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.129.54 Resent-Message-ID: <5_Lx7.A.M0F.YzwLDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:09:13 +0000 (UTC) The only thing even close to that idea is a device called a Cough Drop, which allows speakers and singers to cut the mic when they're getting phlegmy. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: phill wilson > To: > Date: 9/19/2005 12:35:25 PM > Subject: The Big(ish) Idea > > > Hi All > > Ok, so I have been hinting at building a pedal for a while now, for reasons > that I won't go into, my Ego kind of wanted to keep the design some sort of > secret,however this has led to nowhere for me so it is time to REVEAL ALL!!! > > Basically I want to make a foot operated device that allows a signal to pass > only when the button is pressed. Kind of a Poor-Mans-Morse-Glitch Pedal. > > I envisaged building it as follows. > > two buttons button one simply being on / off > In off position the signal is bypassed directly to the output jack > in the On position it passes to the next momentary button. > > Button Two is the activation button, > > it is a push to make type switch so initially the signal is dead, however, > when the button is pressed the sound is allowed to pass to the output. > > I can therefore strum a chord while it is off then tap the button > rythmically to let small stabs of sound through. > > I came up with this when playing through a broken amp that you had to hold > the jack in place in the input, i found that tapping the jack let me do > dda-da-da type noises. > > anyways basically I know NOTHING about how to do this, I did what seemed > reasonable to me but all I got was nasty hiss and buzzing. I would > appreciate ANY help or comments on how I may impliment this pedal. > > I had once dreamed about making money off this idea, however, it will never > be built if I cant get some advice! > > By the way I intend to LOOP with it so its not totally OT!! > > Thanks Y'all > > Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface) > > Free Downloads at > > www.download.com/therealblackface > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search! > http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 19:31:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE6883BF29; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:31:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: AW: The Big(ish) Idea - people who did this Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:33:12 +0200 Message-ID: <001501c5bd50$fa213200$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <410-22005911919134440@earthlink.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:31:56 +0000 (UTC) btw, I saw Tom Morello (RATM) do this on the "Know your Enemy" tune. I think he used a switch on his guitar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 19:42:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1FE23BF34; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:42:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,123,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="84313135:sNHT21387616" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20050919123353.010e1e60@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 12:42:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: The Big(ish) Idea In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:42:07 +0000 (UTC) For a while I used the SoundSculpture AB Cadabra ( http://soundsculpture.com/products/pt_abcadabra.htm ) to do something similar controlled from a MIDI footpedal. The midi pedal handled the momentary aspect. The AB Cadabra had excelllent response - fast and quiet. But I found that I couldn't get the speed from my foot that I wanted, so I had one of my tone pots customized to cut the guitar's output when depressed - it bounces back automatically if I don't hold it down. At 2005.09.19 09:35 AM, phill wilson wrote: >Hi All > >Ok, so I have been hinting at building a pedal for a while now, for >reasons that I won't go into, my Ego kind of wanted to keep the design >some sort of secret,however this has led to nowhere for me so it is time >to REVEAL ALL!!! > >Basically I want to make a foot operated device that allows a signal to >pass only when the button is pressed. Kind of a Poor-Mans-Morse-Glitch Pedal. > >I envisaged building it as follows. > >two buttons button one simply being on / off >In off position the signal is bypassed directly to the output jack >in the On position it passes to the next momentary button. > >Button Two is the activation button, > >it is a push to make type switch so initially the signal is dead, however, >when the button is pressed the sound is allowed to pass to the output. > >I can therefore strum a chord while it is off then tap the button >rythmically to let small stabs of sound through. > >I came up with this when playing through a broken amp that you had to hold >the jack in place in the input, i found that tapping the jack let me do >dda-da-da type noises. > >anyways basically I know NOTHING about how to do this, I did what seemed >reasonable to me but all I got was nasty hiss and buzzing. I would >appreciate ANY help or comments on how I may impliment this pedal. > >I had once dreamed about making money off this idea, however, it will >never be built if I cant get some advice! > >By the way I intend to LOOP with it so its not totally OT!! > >Thanks Y'all > >Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 19:45:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B70F73BF29; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:45:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gQxa7d8+swZDIY/iO0QRVW7zZ+qBF2H0HYJLRll5FL8HFWzL0JVFCVhP3ZGUfdfOtyHfltnBjPSZR3CeDKs16piBpoAZkISYRzgHGJ3qhBAi4quRZMyYdR9BJAgkXT+kXz0XZUGDf0BRD6/NGJaju9trtjGryY75lS5EMyhiTQM= Message-ID: <26ba8d1205091912451fd1249d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 15:45:03 -0400 From: Tom Ritchford Reply-To: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: db@biink.com Subject: Re: 1st Looping Festival Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <432EB8CC.2090204@biink.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <432EB754.2000308@Verizon.net> <432EB8CC.2090204@biink.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:45:05 +0000 (UTC) I've had some interest in starting it up again -- but I've lost several of the musicians, and the venue, and my time has become very limited. I really should get Stv to take down the website. He's one of the lost musicians, but fear not, he's alive and kicking, living in a commune on Staten Island and setting up a bookstore!! If there were interest, or if there were interest in doing an evening of loop shows, I'd definitely be up for it. /t On 9/19/05, David Beardsley wrote: > Dan Ash wrote: > > > >> there was a weekly looping series for a while in New York City. > > > > The weekly open loop event at Chama is still listed on their website > > http://www.loopny.com/#openloop > > > > Haven't been there in some time - maybe someone else can confirm? > > > Chama closed in Sept. 2003. > > -- > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 19:46:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A13B93BF1B; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:46:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cH1e2DOigqvvZoF7z2QmkgGTjRg6M8A3PzeB2NUjEFSdeGoTAh+BLSzhdGw9W2tLNDNplIdju/qrcxLk66vkafJ8E7a6SKEyxshBDpHr1TrNlq8lVRT95zYf7iSmAZ10/jTIAE0SNB2MVNmb+DnmYidYaIQUhn1v5ExuhgOFO9c= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:46:23 -0500 From: Jon Southwood Reply-To: jsouthwood@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Big(ish) Idea - people who did this In-Reply-To: <001501c5bd50$fa213200$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <410-22005911919134440@earthlink.net> <001501c5bd50$fa213200$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:46:25 +0000 (UTC) I think Hendrix did this (stutter) on Voodoo Child (Slight Return). I always assumed it was done with special pickup wiring that allowed him to cut the pickup in and out. On 9/19/05, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > btw, I saw Tom Morello (RATM) do this on the "Know your Enemy" tune. I > think he used a switch on his guitar. >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 19:49:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA02C3BF29; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:49:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20050919123353.010e1e60@mail02.powweb.com> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050919123353.010e1e60@mail02.powweb.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9-675788015 Message-Id: <272197084d613457009ea3863fdc14d1@bartholomusic.com> From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: The Big(ish) Idea Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:49:19 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 66.226.64.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:49:25 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-9-675788015 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed good idea but u just gave me another one. my god this thing is becoming more and more involved. but the following idea shouldnt be too hard for me to add on: i could have the stutter button rapidly stutter ON ITS OWN once held down. so i could STILL manually stutter but now ill be stuttering a stutter!! of course i could have a slide switch turn this effect on or off. simple 555 chip operation. ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 19, 2005, at 2:42 PM, Sean Echevarria wrote: > For a while I used the SoundSculpture AB Cadabra ( > http://soundsculpture.com/products/pt_abcadabra.htm ) to do something > similar controlled from a MIDI footpedal. The midi pedal handled the > momentary aspect. The AB Cadabra had excelllent response - fast and > quiet. > > But I found that I couldn't get the speed from my foot that I wanted, > so I had one of my tone pots customized to cut the guitar's output > when depressed - it bounces back automatically if I don't hold it > down. > > > > At 2005.09.19 09:35 AM, phill wilson wrote: > >> Hi All >> >> Ok, so I have been hinting at building a pedal for a while now, for >> reasons that I won't go into, my Ego kind of wanted to keep the >> design some sort of secret,however this has led to nowhere for me so >> it is time to REVEAL ALL!!! >> >> Basically I want to make a foot operated device that allows a signal >> to pass only when the button is pressed. Kind of a >> Poor-Mans-Morse-Glitch Pedal. >> >> I envisaged building it as follows. >> >> two buttons button one simply being on / off >> In off position the signal is bypassed directly to the output jack >> in the On position it passes to the next momentary button. >> >> Button Two is the activation button, >> >> it is a push to make type switch so initially the signal is dead, >> however, when the button is pressed the sound is allowed to pass to >> the output. >> >> I can therefore strum a chord while it is off then tap the button >> rythmically to let small stabs of sound through. >> >> I came up with this when playing through a broken amp that you had to >> hold the jack in place in the input, i found that tapping the jack >> let me do dda-da-da type noises. >> >> anyways basically I know NOTHING about how to do this, I did what >> seemed reasonable to me but all I got was nasty hiss and buzzing. I >> would appreciate ANY help or comments on how I may impliment this >> pedal. >> >> I had once dreamed about making money off this idea, however, it will >> never be built if I cant get some advice! >> >> By the way I intend to LOOP with it so its not totally OT!! >> >> Thanks Y'all >> >> Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface) > --Apple-Mail-9-675788015 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII good idea but u just gave me another one. my god this thing is becoming more and more involved. but the following idea shouldnt be too hard for me to add on: i could have the stutter button rapidly stutter ON ITS OWN once held down. so i could STILL manually stutter but now ill be stuttering a stutter!! of course i could have a slide switch turn this effect on or off. simple 555 chip operation. ___7979,0404,0909 Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 19, 2005, at 2:42 PM, Sean Echevarria wrote: For a while I used the SoundSculpture AB Cadabra ( http://soundsculpture.com/products/pt_abcadabra.htm ) to do something similar controlled from a MIDI footpedal. The midi pedal handled the momentary aspect. The AB Cadabra had excelllent response - fast and quiet. But I found that I couldn't get the speed from my foot that I wanted, so I had one of my tone pots customized to cut the guitar's output when depressed - it bounces back automatically if I don't hold it down. At 2005.09.19 09:35 AM, phill wilson wrote: Hi All Ok, so I have been hinting at building a pedal for a while now, for reasons that I won't go into, my Ego kind of wanted to keep the design some sort of secret,however this has led to nowhere for me so it is time to REVEAL ALL!!! Basically I want to make a foot operated device that allows a signal to pass only when the button is pressed. Kind of a Poor-Mans-Morse-Glitch Pedal. I envisaged building it as follows. two buttons button one simply being on / off In off position the signal is bypassed directly to the output jack in the On position it passes to the next momentary button. Button Two is the activation button, it is a push to make type switch so initially the signal is dead, however, when the button is pressed the sound is allowed to pass to the output. I can therefore strum a chord while it is off then tap the button rythmically to let small stabs of sound through. I came up with this when playing through a broken amp that you had to hold the jack in place in the input, i found that tapping the jack let me do dda-da-da type noises. anyways basically I know NOTHING about how to do this, I did what seemed reasonable to me but all I got was nasty hiss and buzzing. I would appreciate ANY help or comments on how I may impliment this pedal. I had once dreamed about making money off this idea, however, it will never be built if I cant get some advice! By the way I intend to LOOP with it so its not totally OT!! Thanks Y'all Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface) --Apple-Mail-9-675788015-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 19:52:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC90B3BF2B; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:52:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:52:31 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: sustain type foot controller into a PMC? was: RE: The Big(ish) Idea In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <432F16FF.2070806@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20050919182608.JXCJ18416.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:52:38 +0000 (UTC) Adrian Bartholomew wrote: > well im sure it could be done easily with the edp. if the edp could have > mute in non-latch fashion, great. note on, sound, note off, mute. but it > wont record. thats playback only. > this is analog going INTO the EDP. THAT U CAN SCREW AROUND WITH. > how much would u pay for something like this? There is a non-latching mute, it is called SUSMute and available at Source#+18. I think it is subject to quantization though so to make it work like you're describing Quantize would have to be off. A better approach would be to use InterfaceMode=In, where the feedback jack on the back controls the input level rather than feedback level. I should be easy to build (or buy?) a switch that electrically looks like an expression pedal going from its minimum to maximum range, only without the gradual sweep. If InterfaceMode=In also changes the behavior of the MIDI controller assigned to the FeedBkCont parameter, then you could also do this with any momentary MIDI switch capable of sending CC on/off values. I'm not sure about this though, some of the text suggests that In mode only applies to the back panel jack. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 19:57:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BFC4E3BF34; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:57:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <432F1824.9010505@pdq.net> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:57:24 -0500 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Big(ish) Idea References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050919123353.010e1e60@mail02.powweb.com> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20050919123353.010e1e60@mail02.powweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:57:27 +0000 (UTC) An effects builder (can't remember which one) on the Harmony Central Effects forum used to build these switches on request. Very very small box with a single non-latching type switch. Not dissing the idea, just letting you know that it's been done (and should be very easy to build). Dig > At 2005.09.19 09:35 AM, phill wilson wrote: > >> Hi All >> >> Ok, so I have been hinting at building a pedal for a while now, for >> reasons that I won't go into, my Ego kind of wanted to keep the >> design some sort of secret,however this has led to nowhere for me so >> it is time to REVEAL ALL!!! >> >> Basically I want to make a foot operated device that allows a signal >> to pass only when the button is pressed. Kind of a >> Poor-Mans-Morse-Glitch Pedal. >> >> I envisaged building it as follows. >> >> two buttons button one simply being on / off >> In off position the signal is bypassed directly to the output jack >> in the On position it passes to the next momentary button. >> >> Button Two is the activation button, >> >> it is a push to make type switch so initially the signal is dead, >> however, when the button is pressed the sound is allowed to pass to >> the output. >> >> I can therefore strum a chord while it is off then tap the button >> rythmically to let small stabs of sound through. >> >> I came up with this when playing through a broken amp that you had to >> hold the jack in place in the input, i found that tapping the jack >> let me do dda-da-da type noises. >> >> anyways basically I know NOTHING about how to do this, I did what >> seemed reasonable to me but all I got was nasty hiss and buzzing. I >> would appreciate ANY help or comments on how I may impliment this pedal. >> >> I had once dreamed about making money off this idea, however, it will >> never be built if I cant get some advice! >> >> By the way I intend to LOOP with it so its not totally OT!! >> >> Thanks Y'all >> >> Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface) > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 19:59:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10A293BF2A; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:59:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: The Bug Idea Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 12:59:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <272197084d613457009ea3863fdc14d1@bartholomusic.com> Thread-Index: AcW9Uz/Jn877O4PaQvqIKsxi55tU7QAARaWw Message-Id: <20050919195913.XERQ23678.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:59:16 +0000 (UTC) Call it the Sttutterbug (sic) Gary Lehmann PS Plain text only, if you please. PPS I keep waiting for RZ to post that it was already manufactured . . . G ________________________________________ From: Adrian Bartholomew [mailto:adrian@bartholomusic.com] Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 12:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Big(ish) Idea good idea but u just gave me another one. my god this thing is becoming more and more involved. but the following idea shouldnt be too hard for me to add on: i could have the stutter button rapidly stutter ON ITS OWN once held down. so i could STILL manually stutter but now ill be stuttering a stutter!! of course i could have a slide switch turn this effect on or off. simple 555 chip operation. ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 19, 2005, at 2:42 PM, Sean Echevarria wrote: For a while I used the SoundSculpture AB Cadabra ( http://soundsculpture.com/products/pt_abcadabra.htm ) to do something similar controlled from a MIDI footpedal. The midi pedal handled the momentary aspect. The AB Cadabra had excelllent response - fast and quiet. But I found that I couldn't get the speed from my foot that I wanted, so I had one of my tone pots customized to cut the guitar's output when depressed - it bounces back automatically if I don't hold it down. At 2005.09.19 09:35 AM, phill wilson wrote: Hi All Ok, so I have been hinting at building a pedal for a while now, for reasons that I won't go into, my Ego kind of wanted to keep the design some sort of secret,however this has led to nowhere for me so it is time to REVEAL ALL!!! Basically I want to make a foot operated device that allows a signal to pass only when the button is pressed. Kind of a Poor-Mans-Morse-Glitch Pedal. I envisaged building it as follows. two buttons button one simply being on / off In off position the signal is bypassed directly to the output jack in the On position it passes to the next momentary button. Button Two is the activation button, it is a push to make type switch so initially the signal is dead, however, when the button is pressed the sound is allowed to pass to the output. I can therefore strum a chord while it is off then tap the button rythmically to let small stabs of sound through. I came up with this when playing through a broken amp that you had to hold the jack in place in the input, i found that tapping the jack let me do dda-da-da type noises. anyways basically I know NOTHING about how to do this, I did what seemed reasonable to me but all I got was nasty hiss and buzzing. I would appreciate ANY help or comments on how I may impliment this pedal. I had once dreamed about making money off this idea, however, it will never be built if I cant get some advice! By the way I intend to LOOP with it so its not totally OT!! Thanks Y'all Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 20:01:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45F703BF11; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:01:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: The Big(ish) Idea - people who did this Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:01:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcW9UtR/hBxrPTeOSYm+jkdEuuUoPQAAc3JQ Message-Id: <20050919200108.FHBL25410.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:01:21 +0000 (UTC) My SG copy (the Kim Thayal guitar, a Guild S-100) can do this if you turn down one of the pickups-- So maybe Hendrix was playing a Gibson style instrument . . . Gary -----Original Message----- From: Jon Southwood [mailto:jsouthwood@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 12:46 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Big(ish) Idea - people who did this I think Hendrix did this (stutter) on Voodoo Child (Slight Return). I always assumed it was done with special pickup wiring that allowed him to cut the pickup in and out. On 9/19/05, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > btw, I saw Tom Morello (RATM) do this on the "Know your Enemy" tune. I > think he used a switch on his guitar. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 20:03:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A03533BF22; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:03:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <432F1977.5090200@sarth.net> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:03:03 -0400 From: Sarth User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Ritchford Cc: db@biink.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 1st Looping Festival References: <432EB754.2000308@Verizon.net> <432EB8CC.2090204@biink.com> <26ba8d1205091912451fd1249d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <26ba8d1205091912451fd1249d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050806010107040800070308" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:03:11 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050806010107040800070308 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit let me know ... a buddy of mine and I have been talking about something like that for ages ... what about the remote lounge? Tom Ritchford wrote: >I've had some interest in starting it up again -- but I've lost >several of the musicians, and the venue, and my time has become very >limited. > >I really should get Stv to take down the website. He's one of the >lost musicians, but fear not, he's alive and kicking, living in a >commune on Staten Island and setting up a bookstore!! > >If there were interest, or if there were interest in doing an evening >of loop shows, I'd definitely be up for it. > > /t > >On 9/19/05, David Beardsley wrote: > > >>Dan Ash wrote: >> >> >> >>>>>there was a weekly looping series for a while in New York City. >>>>> >>>>> >>>The weekly open loop event at Chama is still listed on their website >>>http://www.loopny.com/#openloop >>> >>>Haven't been there in some time - maybe someone else can confirm? >>> >>> >>> >>Chama closed in Sept. 2003. >> >>-- >>* David Beardsley >>* microtonal guitar >>* http://biink.com/db >> >> >> >> > > >-- > /t > >http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > > > > --------------050806010107040800070308 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit let me know ... a buddy of mine and I have been talking about something like that for ages ... what about the remote lounge?

Tom Ritchford wrote: 
I've had some interest in starting it up again -- but I've lost
several of the musicians, and the venue, and my time has become very
limited.

I really should get Stv to take down the website.  He's one of the
lost musicians, but fear not, he's alive and kicking, living in a
commune on Staten Island and setting up a bookstore!!

If there were interest, or if there were interest in doing an evening
of loop shows, I'd definitely be up for it.

    /t

On 9/19/05, David Beardsley <db@biink.com> wrote:
  
Dan Ash wrote:

    
there was a weekly looping series for a while in New York City.
          
The weekly open loop event at Chama is still listed on their website
http://www.loopny.com/#openloop

Haven't been there in some time - maybe someone else can confirm?

      
Chama closed in Sept. 2003.

--
* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db


    


--
     /t

http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar
--------------050806010107040800070308-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 20:05:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73C093BF2A; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:05:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=kZ3wlI/L8ZvxJNzjO9Usc/X4IK8WibFF0U5yYnc5Im7sm88gXJQLuwXKIpiPKFvg; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22005911920856870@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: "Jon Southwood" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Big(ish) Idea - people who did this Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:08:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940ca1f07ba25b4db49b6032e914971dec4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.145.192 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:05:05 +0000 (UTC) The Hendrix stutter was via totally stock strat wiring... rolled-off neck tone and wide-open bridge pickup (which has no tone control)...BIG tone difference when you flick the p/u switch from 1st to 5th position...the ear perceives it as trtemolo, or echo, or Univibe, or any number of things. Try it. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: Jon Southwood > To: > Date: 9/19/2005 3:46:25 PM > Subject: Re: The Big(ish) Idea - people who did this > > I think Hendrix did this (stutter) on Voodoo Child (Slight Return). I > always assumed it was done with special pickup wiring that allowed him > to cut the pickup in and out. > > On 9/19/05, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > btw, I saw Tom Morello (RATM) do this on the "Know your Enemy" tune. I > > think he used a switch on his guitar. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 20:06:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBFB83BF25; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:06:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <20050919200108.FHBL25410.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20050919200108.FHBL25410.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-11-676791366 Message-Id: <4ddaca6a8f3a95727c993879a9e877d0@bartholomusic.com> From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: The Big(ish) Idea - people who did this Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 15:06:03 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 66.226.64.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:06:13 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-11-676791366 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed oh yeah true. each pickup has a separate vol knob. duh. my les is the same. if i turn the vol all the way down then bam. instant hendrix. ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 19, 2005, at 3:01 PM, Gary Lehmann wrote: > My SG copy (the Kim Thayal guitar, a Guild S-100) can do this if you > turn > down one of the pickups-- > So maybe Hendrix was playing a Gibson style instrument . . . > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Southwood [mailto:jsouthwood@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 12:46 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: The Big(ish) Idea - people who did this > > I think Hendrix did this (stutter) on Voodoo Child (Slight Return). I > always assumed it was done with special pickup wiring that allowed him > to cut the pickup in and out. > > On 9/19/05, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > wrote: >> btw, I saw Tom Morello (RATM) do this on the "Know your Enemy" tune. I >> think he used a switch on his guitar. >> >> > > > --Apple-Mail-11-676791366 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII oh yeah true. each pickup has a separate vol knob. duh. my les is the same. if i turn the vol all the way down then bam. instant hendrix. ___7979,0404,0909 Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 19, 2005, at 3:01 PM, Gary Lehmann wrote: My SG copy (the Kim Thayal guitar, a Guild S-100) can do this if you turn down one of the pickups-- So maybe Hendrix was playing a Gibson style instrument . . . Gary -----Original Message----- From: Jon Southwood [mailto:jsouthwood@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 12:46 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Big(ish) Idea - people who did this I think Hendrix did this (stutter) on Voodoo Child (Slight Return). I always assumed it was done with special pickup wiring that allowed him to cut the pickup in and out. On 9/19/05, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill < wrote: btw, I saw Tom Morello (RATM) do this on the "Know your Enemy" tune. I think he used a switch on his guitar. --Apple-Mail-11-676791366-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 20:13:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96F793BF3E; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:13:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mHfHJ32fjWkLsNpibn95nGtRwd4JdqfcAoAPJI7keRbytdV2ig2C4WhKKqZWWLO+vMwJDUGf8R8L0YgID+PSJXO8njN+sDAEStVY2hS+rNc5xgeqmq6Uld1yO60BHX3ivUQUhvaWW8yQMcsgGdCKuCK7Yns45LwmL5tRM20sigA= Message-ID: <26ba8d12050919131313a2a99a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:13:46 -0400 From: Tom Ritchford Reply-To: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Sarth Subject: Re: 1st Looping Festival Cc: db@biink.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <432F1977.5090200@sarth.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <432EB754.2000308@Verizon.net> <432EB8CC.2090204@biink.com> <26ba8d1205091912451fd1249d@mail.gmail.com> <432F1977.5090200@sarth.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:13:47 +0000 (UTC) I'm not sure if they do one-off shows there but I do know the guy who started it and he likes my stuff and has encouraged me to do things. Are we thinking of a one-off evening or a repeated show? There are a lot of places in my neighborhood, Williamsburg... On 9/19/05, Sarth wrote: > let me know ... a buddy of mine and I have been talking about something > like that for ages ... what about the remote lounge? > > > Tom Ritchford wrote: > I've had some interest in starting it up again -- but I've lost > several of the musicians, and the venue, and my time has become very > limited. > > I really should get Stv to take down the website. He's one of the > lost musicians, but fear not, he's alive and kicking, living in a > commune on Staten Island and setting up a bookstore!! > > If there were interest, or if there were interest in doing an evening > of loop shows, I'd definitely be up for it. > > /t > > On 9/19/05, David Beardsley wrote: > > > Dan Ash wrote: > > > > > > there was a weekly looping series for a while in New York City. > > The weekly open loop event at Chama is still listed on their website > http://www.loopny.com/#openloop > > Haven't been there in some time - maybe someone else can confirm? > > > Chama closed in Sept. 2003. > > -- > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db > > > > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > > > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 20:14:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FD8A3BF44; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:14:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Jon Arterton" To: Subject: Streaming radio of my all-vocal looping Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:14:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01C5BD35.26D29B20" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcW9VqxtSRWd7HVvQA2Gp0vkjFpxcg== Message-Id: <20050919201406.8E4F63BF2A@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:14:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C5BD35.26D29B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll be performing and talking on my local radio station tomorrow at 1 PM Eastern Time. You can catch it by going to www.womr.org . I use an EDP and a microphone + reverb - that's it. I sometimes do new-agey improvs, but I most often perform very tightly arranged vocal pieces. Possible tunes for tomorrow: "Sweet Dreams", "Once in a Lifetime", "Biko", "Will the Circle", Pachelbel' "Canon", "Living in Wartime", and perhaps something original. FYI - This is a relatively new venture for me - something I've been developing for about two years. I haven't released a CD or done much publicly yet, but. soon. I'm a graduate of New England Conservatory, a choral conductor and singer. I founded and arranged for The Flirtations, an open'y gay a cappella group seen on HBO and in the film Phladelphia. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C5BD35.26D29B20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I’ll be performing and talking on my local = radio station tomorrow at 1 PM Eastern Time. You can catch it by going to www.womr.org . =

I use an EDP and a microphone + reverb – = that’s it. I sometimes do new-agey improvs, but I most often perform very = tightly arranged vocal pieces. Possible tunes for tomorrow: “Sweet = Dreams”, “Once in a Lifetime”, “Biko”, “Will the = Circle”, Pachelbel’ “Canon”,  “Living in Wartime”, and perhaps something = original.

 

FYI – This is a relatively new venture for me = – something I’ve been developing for about two years. I = haven’t released a CD or done much publicly yet, but… soon. I’m a = graduate of New England Conservatory, a choral conductor and singer. I founded = and arranged for The Flirtations, an open’y gay a cappella group seen = on HBO and in the film Phladelphia.

------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C5BD35.26D29B20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 20:14:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66B6B3BF41; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:14:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <432F1C2F.1030201@sarth.net> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:14:39 -0400 From: Sarth User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Ritchford Cc: db@biink.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 1st Looping Festival References: <432EB754.2000308@Verizon.net> <432EB8CC.2090204@biink.com> <26ba8d1205091912451fd1249d@mail.gmail.com> <432F1977.5090200@sarth.net> <26ba8d12050919131313a2a99a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <26ba8d12050919131313a2a99a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020509020902080403050105" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:14:48 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020509020902080403050105 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think it would lend itself well to an ongoing thing. -- Sarth Tom Ritchford wrote: >I'm not sure if they do one-off shows there but I do know the guy who >started it and he likes my stuff and has encouraged me to do things. > >Are we thinking of a one-off evening or a repeated show? > >There are a lot of places in my neighborhood, Williamsburg... > >On 9/19/05, Sarth wrote: > > >> let me know ... a buddy of mine and I have been talking about something >>like that for ages ... what about the remote lounge? >> >> >> Tom Ritchford wrote: >> I've had some interest in starting it up again -- but I've lost >>several of the musicians, and the venue, and my time has become very >>limited. >> >>I really should get Stv to take down the website. He's one of the >>lost musicians, but fear not, he's alive and kicking, living in a >>commune on Staten Island and setting up a bookstore!! >> >>If there were interest, or if there were interest in doing an evening >>of loop shows, I'd definitely be up for it. >> >> /t >> >>On 9/19/05, David Beardsley wrote: >> >> >> Dan Ash wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> there was a weekly looping series for a while in New York City. >> >> The weekly open loop event at Chama is still listed on their website >>http://www.loopny.com/#openloop >> >>Haven't been there in some time - maybe someone else can confirm? >> >> >> Chama closed in Sept. 2003. >> >>-- >>* David Beardsley >>* microtonal guitar >>* http://biink.com/db >> >> >> >> >>-- >> /t >> >>http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >-- > /t > >http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > > > --------------020509020902080403050105 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think it would lend itself well to an ongoing thing.

-- Sarth

Tom Ritchford wrote: 
I'm not sure if they do one-off shows there but I do know the guy who
started it and he likes my stuff and has encouraged me to do things.

Are we thinking of a one-off evening or a repeated show?

There are a lot of places in my neighborhood, Williamsburg...

On 9/19/05, Sarth <sarth@sarth.net> wrote:
  
 let me know ... a buddy of mine and I have been talking about something
like that for ages ... what about the remote lounge?


 Tom Ritchford wrote:
 I've had some interest in starting it up again -- but I've lost
several of the musicians, and the venue, and my time has become very
limited.

I really should get Stv to take down the website. He's one of the
lost musicians, but fear not, he's alive and kicking, living in a
commune on Staten Island and setting up a bookstore!!

If there were interest, or if there were interest in doing an evening
of loop shows, I'd definitely be up for it.

 /t

On 9/19/05, David Beardsley <db@biink.com> wrote:


 Dan Ash wrote:





 there was a weekly looping series for a while in New York City.

 The weekly open loop event at Chama is still listed on their website
http://www.loopny.com/#openloop

Haven't been there in some time - maybe someone else can confirm?


 Chama closed in Sept. 2003.

--
* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com/db




--
 /t

http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar





    


--
     /t

http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar
--------------020509020902080403050105-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 20:20:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C97043BF22; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:20:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,123,1125874800"; d="scan'208"; a="22090075:sNHT17601402" Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050919211551.02dba8c0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:19:59 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: The Big(ish) Idea - people who did this In-Reply-To: <20050919194926.1E2983BF34@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050919194926.1E2983BF34@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:20:04 +0000 (UTC) >I think Hendrix did this (stutter) on Voodoo Child (Slight Return). I >always assumed it was done with special pickup wiring that allowed him >to cut the pickup in and out. old guitar trick, on a 2 p/u guitar, turn down the volume on one of the p/us to nothing. then the p/u selection switch does a cut out. andy butler ps ...the EDP 'Replace' can do this to the loop From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 20:22:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0204B3BF2D; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:22:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,123,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="84336104:sNHT78781628" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20050919131931.010f0e90@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:22:34 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: The Big(ish) Idea In-Reply-To: <432F1824.9010505@pdq.net> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050919123353.010e1e60@mail02.powweb.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20050919123353.010e1e60@mail02.powweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:22:37 +0000 (UTC) oh yeah - http://www.loooper.com/ - look for the stutter option on the custom options page. At 2005.09.19 12:57 PM, Doug Cox wrote: >An effects builder (can't remember which one) on the Harmony Central >Effects forum used to build these switches on request. Very very small >box with a single non-latching type switch. >Not dissing the idea, just letting you know that it's been done (and >should be very easy to build). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 20:25:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 997533BF37; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:25:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:29:06 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re:Re: The Big(ish) Idea - people who did this In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20050919211551.02dba8c0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: References: <20050919194926.1E2983BF34@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20050919211551.02dba8c0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:25:21 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, 19 Sep 2005, a k butler wrote: >> I think Hendrix did this (stutter) on Voodoo Child (Slight Return). I >> always assumed it was done with special pickup wiring that allowed him >> to cut the pickup in and out. > > old guitar trick, > on a 2 p/u guitar, turn down the volume > on one of the p/us to nothing. > > then the p/u selection switch does a cut out. > > andy butler > ps > ...the EDP 'Replace' can do this to the loop I figured this behavior out with my Chapman Stick shortly after I started performing with it - the cut out behavior makes a great mute for when you don't want to be making any noise (such as switching instruments, or when I'm done and the other band members are still playing). best, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 20:36:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12E6C3BF1F; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:36:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <432F2133.3030903@biink.com> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:36:03 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sarth Cc: Tom Ritchford , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 1st Looping Festival References: <432EB754.2000308@Verizon.net> <432EB8CC.2090204@biink.com> <26ba8d1205091912451fd1249d@mail.gmail.com> <432F1977.5090200@sarth.net> <26ba8d12050919131313a2a99a@mail.gmail.com> <432F1C2F.1030201@sarth.net> In-Reply-To: <432F1C2F.1030201@sarth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:36:05 +0000 (UTC) Sarth wrote: > I think it would lend itself well to an ongoing thing. > I might be into it once in a while. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 20:45:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E61A73BF23; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:45:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=McX2bDiWFbW7iPT5bYBmIt4tVIMDkex780YAlcKNV2yBYqn9RbjTyJTdnC//0Ozdo188uwnaUSRt2LtgCJ5kK2SPLcYoDTAZ/O2OAO0pP8+Uqbdkq8jheFweSjgBCqJFWd0AnLSGST+e8PkSXtq5BbPDxAOkkH81i6w0CTEZWcA= Message-ID: <26ba8d1205091913451fd1937f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:45:29 -0400 From: Tom Ritchford Reply-To: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Sarth Subject: Re: 1st Looping Festival Cc: db@biink.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <432F1C2F.1030201@sarth.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <432EB754.2000308@Verizon.net> <432EB8CC.2090204@biink.com> <26ba8d1205091912451fd1249d@mail.gmail.com> <432F1977.5090200@sarth.net> <26ba8d12050919131313a2a99a@mail.gmail.com> <432F1C2F.1030201@sarth.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:45:30 +0000 (UTC) Doing ongoing things is a lot of work! I'm certainly there to play... It might perhaps be better to to try to sell one big one first and see where that would get us...? On 9/19/05, Sarth wrote: > I think it would lend itself well to an ongoing thing. > > -- Sarth > > > Tom Ritchford wrote: > I'm not sure if they do one-off shows there but I do know the guy who > started it and he likes my stuff and has encouraged me to do things. > > Are we thinking of a one-off evening or a repeated show? > > There are a lot of places in my neighborhood, Williamsburg... > > On 9/19/05, Sarth wrote: > > > let me know ... a buddy of mine and I have been talking about something > like that for ages ... what about the remote lounge? > > > Tom Ritchford wrote: > I've had some interest in starting it up again -- but I've lost > several of the musicians, and the venue, and my time has become very > limited. > > I really should get Stv to take down the website. He's one of the > lost musicians, but fear not, he's alive and kicking, living in a > commune on Staten Island and setting up a bookstore!! > > If there were interest, or if there were interest in doing an evening > of loop shows, I'd definitely be up for it. > > /t > > On 9/19/05, David Beardsley wrote: > > > Dan Ash wrote: > > > > > > there was a weekly looping series for a while in New York City. > > The weekly open loop event at Chama is still listed on their website > http://www.loopny.com/#openloop > > Haven't been there in some time - maybe someone else can confirm? > > > Chama closed in Sept. 2003. > > -- > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db > > > > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > > > > > > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 20:49:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2871C3BF27; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:49:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <12863.195.188.213.35.1127162958.squirrel@195.188.213.35> In-Reply-To: <26ba8d1205091913451fd1937f@mail.gmail.com> References: <432EB754.2000308@Verizon.net> <432EB8CC.2090204@biink.com> <26ba8d1205091912451fd1249d@mail.gmail.com> <432F1977.5090200@sarth.net> <26ba8d12050919131313a2a99a@mail.gmail.com> <432F1C2F.1030201@sarth.net> <26ba8d1205091913451fd1937f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:49:18 +0100 (BST) Subject: EDP Sync to Yamaha RM1x From: dayshift@blueyonder.co.uk To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Sep 2005 20:50:08.0685 (UTC) FILETIME=[B89C45D0:01C5BD5B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:49:22 +0000 (UTC) Hello I've just bought a new echoplex and lovely it is too except for some reason I can't get it to stay in midi clock sync with my Yamaha RM1x. If I use a Korg electribe drum machine as a master clock it syncs perfectly but not to the RM1x for some reason. I tried searching under 'RM1x' in the mailing list archive but the search engine won't accept it as a search term. Any help much appreciated. Thanks Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 20:49:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB6833BEFE; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:49:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <432F16FF.2070806@sun.com> References: <20050919182608.JXCJ18416.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> <432F16FF.2070806@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1CC6D609-4A36-4206-89BB-3391F983888C@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: sustain type foot controller into a PMC? was: RE: The Big(ish) Idea Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:49:37 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: <2zktWC.A.ZzC.lRyLDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:49:41 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 19, 2005, at 21:52, Jeff Larson wrote: > > If InterfaceMode=In also changes the behavior of the MIDI controller > assigned to the FeedBkCont parameter, then you could also do this with > any momentary MIDI switch capable of sending CC on/off values. I'm > not > sure about this though, some of the text suggests that In mode only > applies to the back panel jack. > > Jeff "In mode" is indeed also available over MIDI, if you stick a plug into the pedal jack on the back panel. I use that trick to be able to use my EDP by MIDI (FCB1010) in REPLACE MODE. This makes the feedback button control how much of the loop each substitute tap will replace. In the full position substitute becomes just like quantized overdub SUS but and in the zero position it sounds just like plain substitute SUS. I was very happy to find out about this :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 20:51:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9A763BF25; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:51:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <432F24F4.6080803@biink.com> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:52:04 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 1st Looping Festival Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4SwzGC.A.D6C.sTyLDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:51:56 +0000 (UTC) Sarth wrote: > I think it would lend itself well to an ongoing thing. > I might be into it once in a while. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 20:53:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FC3E3BF2C; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:53:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JLZJ4cL5cbyJbfCOen9wN27j1HoLkXo43l96yYkgs4A++QA52E7EkYDjtj/nZn3qhI0hZYh3iS2Qd81En2XBHne6FWHkhjHxgq3CmPqzEDCrbDj8JnRp6qEPyfY013jmJffCpx77YrD2EfQeGVEHAo4BJAfF9YHSaYk/LbXhCbM= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 15:53:52 -0500 From: Jon Southwood Reply-To: jsouthwood@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: The Big(ish) Idea - people who did this In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20050919211551.02dba8c0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050919194926.1E2983BF34@arsenic.violacea.com> <6.2.3.4.0.20050919211551.02dba8c0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:53:54 +0000 (UTC) Right, 'cept that I only ever see footage of him with Strats, which to my knowledge didn't come stock with the ability to turn down the volume of the pickups individually. Hence my assumption of special wiring. Tim's suggestion of the tone control makes perfect sense. And, when listening to the intro of VC(SR) (just happened to have the CD here at work), it's possible that what I thought was total cut-off was a severely rolled-off sound being masked by the other noise around it. All that said. I've used the EDP Replace to do this to an existing loop. I've also experimented with the stutter effect in the GT-6. I imagine I could set up a patch in the MPX-1 to do this controlled from a footpedal. I've got a sustain pedal for a keyboard that I could use for testing. I could borrow the 2-button pedal from the Vortex to test inverting the response curve for the button presses. Actually, come to think of it, I've got the GT-6 configured to do a latching mute already. There's a setting that allows you to tap the currently selected patch pedal and send it to the tuner function. Since the audience doesn't need to hear me tune, I have the tuner set to mute the output. But, that's latching. Now I'm wondering if I can do this in an unlatching manner with the GT6 to record the stuttered loop at the outset. If so, identical patches could be set up with inverted responses to the pedal press. Oh, and I certainly agree that having it at the feet is invaluable. I was just adding an example of it being done to Rainer's list of people who'd done it. Incidentally, ProCo makes a few pedals that do variations of this. All use XLR inputs and are tailored to microphone inputs. One of them allows you to select whether the switch is latching or non-latching and whether the non-latching mode is normally open or normally closed. Making the changes, though, requires that you flip switches in the battery compartment. And then there's the old trick of using an auto-panner that only has one output plugged-in, particularly those that have 'square' as an option for the panning waveshape. The Boss SE70 allowed that (pretty sure), and the Lex MPX-1 does. Haven't tried it yet with GT6. I haven't done a gig in a while that would require these techniques (no need for it in my celtic band, and the solo acoustic covers don't call for it either), but I used to love playing with this kind of thing. jon=20 On 9/19/05, a k butler wrote: >=20 > >I think Hendrix did this (stutter) on Voodoo Child (Slight Return). I > >always assumed it was done with special pickup wiring that allowed him > >to cut the pickup in and out. >=20 >=20 > old guitar trick, > on a 2 p/u guitar, turn down the volume > on one of the p/us to nothing. >=20 > then the p/u selection switch does a cut out. >=20 > andy butler > ps > ...the EDP 'Replace' can do this to the loop >=20 >=20 >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 21:04:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A5253BF2A; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:04:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <432F27C5.2020501@pdq.net> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:04:05 -0500 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Big(ish) Idea References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050919123353.010e1e60@mail02.powweb.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20050919123353.010e1e60@mail02.powweb.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20050919131931.010f0e90@mail02.powweb.com> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20050919131931.010f0e90@mail02.powweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:04:07 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, it may have been him. Good units, those looopers. But, what I also remember was that the guy had moved the electronics into his own guitar, and had setup a "touch plate" on his guitar as the switch. So he could get these really fast mutes going, just by tapping the touch plate. I've searched forums over there and can't find the post. This could have been up to 2 years ago, though, so that doesn't surprise me. Dig Sean Echevarria wrote: > oh yeah - http://www.loooper.com/ - look for the stutter option on the > custom options page. > > > At 2005.09.19 12:57 PM, Doug Cox wrote: > >> An effects builder (can't remember which one) on the Harmony Central >> Effects forum used to build these switches on request. Very very >> small box with a single non-latching type switch. >> Not dissing the idea, just letting you know that it's been done (and >> should be very easy to build). > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 21:14:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03F473BF07; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:14:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=b2WY7z0lCxZ9OJFV/GVN1rZk8GYDj46/TEmxDM9NndCWzqvKBTQcl4RoX0QrOYfb/tpgd9H7zGxVK3v46b2EHwIGnO5nSzvEIdRP1tn1l/uokGSMU0mVe2cu+h3zTj+9WjDoQmzz5Fe1qILelK240L+Z60WP0FFBDyDv2p8qNac= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:14:13 -0500 From: Jon Southwood Reply-To: jsouthwood@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Big(ish) Idea In-Reply-To: <432F27C5.2020501@pdq.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050919123353.010e1e60@mail02.powweb.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20050919131931.010f0e90@mail02.powweb.com> <432F27C5.2020501@pdq.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:14:14 +0000 (UTC) David Torn has a guitar made by Koll Guitars with a metal plate that's wired to control voltage-controlled gear. I imagine it could be used for that kind of thing. But, I think I remember who you're thinking of. I just can't find the e-mail thread. If I remember correctly, it was a British guitarist who had a guy do all sorts of crazy wiring to various guitars, including one with a similar touch plate idea to what I described above with DT's Koll guitar. Cheers, Jon On 9/19/05, Doug Cox wrote: > Yeah, it may have been him. Good units, those looopers. >=20 > But, what I also remember was that the guy had moved the electronics > into his own guitar, and had setup a "touch plate" on his guitar as the > switch. So he could get these really fast mutes going, just by tapping > the touch plate. >=20 > I've searched forums over there and can't find the post. This could > have been up to 2 years ago, though, so that doesn't surprise me. >=20 > Dig >=20 > Sean Echevarria wrote: >=20 > > oh yeah - http://www.loooper.com/ - look for the stutter option on the > > custom options page. > > > > > > At 2005.09.19 12:57 PM, Doug Cox wrote: > > > >> An effects builder (can't remember which one) on the Harmony Central > >> Effects forum used to build these switches on request. Very very > >> small box with a single non-latching type switch. > >> Not dissing the idea, just letting you know that it's been done (and > >> should be very easy to build). > > > > > > >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 21:20:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A20783BF0E; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:20:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gQFVTtHCXpaTlmSRIIZY/zQ5HSMIKRa2qEi28tR0376drYoVASnfTB6v+W2ZMICTeeeIyN5QQbvVJ6/Y94DH9KDH6VSbJubYZZYt+e48KNX8K6iYQ+mCyAXi6AfOx+bNj5+0513fmZlyLp7u8eGjK7xlYVRj54F5paA461oYTSw= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:20:44 -0500 From: Jon Southwood Reply-To: jsouthwood@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Big(ish) Idea In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050919123353.010e1e60@mail02.powweb.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20050919131931.010f0e90@mail02.powweb.com> <432F27C5.2020501@pdq.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:20:46 +0000 (UTC) Here's a link to the guitar/guitarist I was thinking of. I was wrong, though: he's using it to control a whammy pedal. Go to http://musegear.fobbedoff.net/ and follow the link to the Black Manson guitar. (This was from a thread about other ways to control pitch shift in the VG-8 on the VG-8 list.) Cheers, Jon On 9/19/05, Jon Southwood wrote: > David Torn has a guitar made by Koll Guitars with a metal plate that's > wired to control voltage-controlled gear. I imagine it could be used > for that kind of thing. >=20 > But, I think I remember who you're thinking of. I just can't find the > e-mail thread. If I remember correctly, it was a British guitarist who > had a guy do all sorts of crazy wiring to various guitars, including > one with a similar touch plate idea to what I described above with > DT's Koll guitar. >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Jon >=20 > On 9/19/05, Doug Cox wrote: > > Yeah, it may have been him. Good units, those looopers. > > > > But, what I also remember was that the guy had moved the electronics > > into his own guitar, and had setup a "touch plate" on his guitar as the > > switch. So he could get these really fast mutes going, just by tapping > > the touch plate. > > > > I've searched forums over there and can't find the post. This could > > have been up to 2 years ago, though, so that doesn't surprise me. > > > > Dig > > > > Sean Echevarria wrote: > > > > > oh yeah - http://www.loooper.com/ - look for the stutter option on th= e > > > custom options page. > > > > > > > > > At 2005.09.19 12:57 PM, Doug Cox wrote: > > > > > >> An effects builder (can't remember which one) on the Harmony Central > > >> Effects forum used to build these switches on request. Very very > > >> small box with a single non-latching type switch. > > >> Not dissing the idea, just letting you know that it's been done (and > > >> should be very easy to build). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 21:53:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6BB23BEEA; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:53:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: EDP Sync to Yamaha RM1x Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:53:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <12863.195.188.213.35.1127162958.squirrel@195.188.213.35> Thread-Index: AcW9W58rqHRRM68eTZGdC0NP83JbEQACO1JQ Message-Id: <20050919215353.HYBR29184.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:53:58 +0000 (UTC) Claude Voit uses these two units together-- Gary -----Original Message----- From: dayshift@blueyonder.co.uk [mailto:dayshift@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 1:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP Sync to Yamaha RM1x Hello I've just bought a new echoplex and lovely it is too except for some reason I can't get it to stay in midi clock sync with my Yamaha RM1x. If I use a Korg electribe drum machine as a master clock it syncs perfectly but not to the RM1x for some reason. I tried searching under 'RM1x' in the mailing list archive but the search engine won't accept it as a search term. Any help much appreciated. Thanks Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 22:03:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BFB073BF06; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:03:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <432F35B9.9030501@finleysound.com> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 15:03:37 -0700 From: "Matthew F. McCabe" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Programming Rocktron All Access - HELP!!!! References: <432EEAD4.6030003@finleysound.com> <432EF65B.8070204@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1762721012 X-Authenticated-User: finleysound@fastermac.net X-Verify-Helo: finleysound.com -> 68.142.*.* not in 66.248.87.23 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.047000 Subject has lots of exclamation marks=1.0 X-NotAscii: charset=us-ascii; X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 32, in=7, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 66.248.87.23 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:03:42 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Larson wrote: > You must have Source# set to 36. Yes. > The programming for Substitute is surprising. You're using the > virtual Substitute button with a momentary switch but sending non-zero > on both the down and up transitions. The effect will be a sustained > Substitute, but to the EDP it looks like two long presses of the > non-sustain Substitute. If want you want is SUSSubstitute, then > the "correct" programming would be CC# 58 with On/Off 1/0. Apparently I wanted SUSSubstitute...because it now behaves "correctly." > The programming for Undo has the same problem. I don't see how this > can work, you're effectively performing two long presses of the > virtual Undo button every time you tap the switch. At the very least, > I would expect you to be undoing two layers at a time instead of just > one but maybe the EDP is smart enough to ignore the second long press > if the first one is still active. > > Again, On/Off should be 1/0, the CC# is ok. If what you want > is to always perform a LongUndo without having to hold the switch > down, then use CC# 67 instead. Well, somehow it worked...but LongUndo is what I really wanted. Thanks for debugging my rig!!! Matt -- King Never www.finleysound.com/kingnever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 22:24:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3E4E3BF07; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:24:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <012b01c5bd68$dfdae400$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: re: The Big(ish) Idea Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 15:24:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:24:15 +0000 (UTC) Phil Wilson wrote: "Basically I want to make a foot operated device that allows a signal to pass only when the button is pressed. Kind of a Poor-Mans-Morse-Glitch Pedal....... ......it is a push to make type switch so initially the signal is dead, however, when the button is pressed the sound is allowed to pass to the output." I have thought of a similar pedal and wished for one, Phil. This might be a cool addition to such a beast: Have two momentary buttons side by side with a switch that makes them either 1) turn the sound on when you want it turned on or 2) pass the sound and turn it off when you want it turned off Both buttons would do the same function which would allow for some one to do very, very rapid two foot manipulations of the pedal (like the glitch effects that are so popular in modern electronica now). It would be just as hip to cut the sound OFF as it would be to turn the sound ON with such a button. Do you see what I mean? ****************** One of the techniques that I use with my line 6 pedal is putting it into record and then really rapidly, but randomly hitting the button that has the forward/reverse/half speed/double speed funtion. When I truncate the loop it then has these little random chunks of backwards/forwards/1/2 speed/double time. If I make this as some kind of melodic drone it provides a random loop that is nonetheless harmonically consonant with whatever I lay on top of it. to have a real time 'GLITCH' pedal in line to add the same kind of randomization to the mute/unmute quality of the music would really be awesome. throw the whole damn mess into a Repeater and then play it like a chromatic instrument over three octaves. Now that's my idea of a good time. Now, who to build it......................lol Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 22:31:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAC173BF12; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:31:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,124,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="1545604492:sNHT21278578" In-Reply-To: <012b01c5bd68$dfdae400$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <012b01c5bd68$dfdae400$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <06721E71-22AE-4277-9CB1-3029BD567776@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: The Big(ish) Idea Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:31:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:31:55 +0000 (UTC) Why not just put a momentary switch on a good-quality tremolo? Like the Fulltone that has a "shape" adjustment that changes the curve of the trem -- you can get very abrupt shifts or gentle ones, and, of course, faster or slower. Save yourself some ankle wear. On Sep 19, 2005, at 5:24 PM, loop.pool wrote: > Phil Wilson wrote: > > "Basically I want to make a foot operated device that allows a > signal to pass > only when the button is pressed. Kind of a Poor-Mans-Morse-Glitch > Pedal....... > ......it is a push to make type switch so initially the signal is > dead, however, > when the button is pressed the sound is allowed to pass to the > output." > > > I have thought of a similar pedal and wished for one, Phil. > > This might be a cool addition to such a beast: > > Have two momentary buttons side by side with a switch that makes them > > either > 1) turn the sound on when you want it turned on or > 2) pass the sound and turn it off when you want it turned off > > Both buttons would do the same function which would allow for some > one to do very, very rapid > two foot manipulations of the pedal (like the glitch effects that > are so popular in modern electronica now). > > It would be just as hip to cut the sound OFF as it would be to turn > the sound ON with such a button. > > Do you see what I mean? > ****************** > One of the techniques that I use with my line 6 pedal is putting it > into record and then really rapidly, but randomly > hitting the button that has the forward/reverse/half speed/double > speed funtion. > > When I truncate the loop it then has these little random chunks of > backwards/forwards/1/2 speed/double time. > If I make this as some kind of melodic drone it provides a random > loop that is nonetheless harmonically consonant > with whatever I lay on top of it. > > to have a real time 'GLITCH' pedal in line to add the same kind of > randomization to the mute/unmute quality of the music > would really be awesome. > > throw the whole damn mess into a Repeater and then play it like a > chromatic instrument over three octaves. > Now that's my idea of a good time. > > Now, who to build it......................lol > > Rick > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 22:54:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF30D3BF17; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:54:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2903.69.59.207.172.1127170834.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <432F27C5.2020501@pdq.net> References: <5.2.1.1.0.20050919123353.010e1e60@mail02.powweb.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20050919123353.010e1e60@mail02.powweb.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20050919131931.010f0e90@mail02.powweb.com> <432F27C5.2020501@pdq.net> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: The Big(ish) Idea From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:54:42 +0000 (UTC) > Yeah, it may have been him. Good units, those looopers. > > But, what I also remember was that the guy had moved the electronics > into his own guitar, and had setup a "touch plate" on his guitar as the > switch. So he could get these really fast mutes going, just by tapping > the touch plate. > Doug Theriault, who is an incredible free-improv guitarist from Portland, OR, has one of his steinbergers setup like this. If I remember correctly, his guitar has 3 momentary switches, one for each of the 2 pickups, and one for an external input, usually a handheld cassette recorder. Very cool idea! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 22:58:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 794453BF08; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:58:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <2938.69.59.207.172.1127171086.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <432F35B9.9030501@finleysound.com> References: <432EEAD4.6030003@finleysound.com> <432EF65B.8070204@sun.com> <432F35B9.9030501@finleysound.com> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:04:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Programming Rocktron All Access - HELP!!!! From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 2.441 (**) NO_REAL_NAME,PLING_PLING,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <4l3b8.A.VP.tK0LDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:58:53 +0000 (UTC) > Apparently I wanted SUSSubstitute... I remember that tune, it was a collaboration between Phil Collins and Pete Townsend... OK, too much time on my hands today. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 23:02:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41DAB3BF1A; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GoHN1vl82hbFmrRgTrjsmu1P2lOSDe7ZQFciMtSxU/BUS+LzefNi3XUG0OcibKcAzwcKtNGT5/Sp5V+wecOpql1prXi8Zc15ExvaWw5gE99eCOKlwpUC9vl+xksQai2t1L7oFu7eB5gdkcT29lwW/Njrf7RGesuZgyTLZ6j3ieI= ; Message-ID: <20050919230222.31596.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:02:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: re: The Big(ish) Idea To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <012b01c5bd68$dfdae400$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Rick great tip man,ive been recently getting into the DL4 since i am doing band rock gigs using an amp guitar and very basic efxs.I must admit the DL4 can do more than meets the eye,but it would be killer if it had a button to go from preset mode to loop mode,instead of the bending to rotate i wonder if that would be complex to build into it? > One of the techniques that I use with my line 6 > pedal is putting it into > record and then really rapidly, but randomly > hitting the button that has the forward/reverse/half > speed/double speed > funtion. > > When I truncate the loop it then has these little > random chunks of > backwards/forwards/1/2 speed/double time. > If I make this as some kind of melodic drone it > provides a random loop that > is nonetheless harmonically consonant > with whatever I lay on top of it. > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 23:07:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6BD53BEFE; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pWzd9bP1Q46R3Fad7r7vtVt8YyIT8sejfgcblrN0ULTESIP5Eoxez9g/tJremEv1IdYETb+U+cMutZjlrSrw5g05yJluf6Gu/hu422Ezr9YPIn/JbNH37piYovnm1BIClMoglYhY1ijULYpyI2lKCtmyvz2RFJ2IbhXgtFVHjsE= ; Message-ID: <20050919230744.41069.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:07:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: EDP through rane SM82 problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8a4de09cfce5a53c55bcd3c680c1e125@bartholomusic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:07:47 +0000 (UTC) disconecting all the power cords of the other proccessors and just leaving the EDP by itself through the auxs of the Rane,no problem with the repeater plugged with the other units though. cheers luis --- Adrian Bartholomew wrote: > when u say disconnect, do u mean unplugging the > power cord of > everything else? > > ___ > Adrian Bartholomew > Leawood KS > On Sep 19, 2005, at 11:43 AM, Luis Angulo wrote: > > > Hi gang, > > I am having humming problems with the edp plugged > into > > to my Rane SM82.I have a roland preamp,repeater > EDP > > and sm82 plugged into a juice goose power > > conditioner,when i disconect the EDP the humming > is > > gone,but even if i disconect evrything and leave > the > > edp by itself it still humms.No problems through > my > > little VLZ1202 mackie though. > > Also when i turn the rane sm82 off it makes my > active > > speakers make a big boom which doesnt happen with > the > > 1202,any ideas? > > thanx > > Luis > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? 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Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 23:28:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE8BD3BF0E; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:28:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-reply-to:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=Z/Tubv74z3SH6bh1s3rtmrLWkMKLGE4YxBkOPAJvv1qekwvqQswQObw9bgNKhZM9D+krWyDUz+o5ILy2kDJW20NfXgR1xYArw0qkuAVO5y2415lTY0eZygR57ADG6ZYxe3cKigrZ5OnmBjdDpLQ4cXcjQHXbWn2rbfrI6iLZlbU= ; From: "murkie" To: Subject: RE: The Big(ish) Idea Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:28:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <69FFDC55F2614E418DC056ABC0F9A0D6040662C5@bearcat.middlebury.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcW9bjHUsiaWQ9lsTASanNkLaY3ixwAA3AUw Message-Id: <20050919232812.71CB63BEE7@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:28:14 +0000 (UTC) Here's a solution for the bend and rotate routine. For the tweaker in all of us: http://www.musictoyz.com/guitar/pedals/tip.php murkie -----Original Message----- From: Luis Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 7:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: The Big(ish) Idea Rick great tip man,ive been recently getting into the DL4 since i am doing band rock gigs using an amp guitar and very basic efxs.I must admit the DL4 can do more than meets the eye,but it would be killer if it had a button to go from preset mode to loop mode,instead of the bending to rotate i wonder if that would be complex to build into it? > One of the techniques that I use with my line 6 pedal is putting it > into record and then really rapidly, but randomly hitting the button > that has the forward/reverse/half speed/double speed funtion. > > When I truncate the loop it then has these little random chunks of > backwards/forwards/1/2 speed/double time. > If I make this as some kind of melodic drone it provides a random loop > that is nonetheless harmonically consonant with whatever I lay on top > of it. > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 23:36:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 988923BEFA; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:36:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "muman" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:38:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: midi octopus Message-ID: <432EE97E.23247.49435431@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: <6nF8yC.A.JEC.Fu0LDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:36:37 +0000 (UTC) from our friendly google-bot http://www.rockmancentral.com/RockmanCentral/Docs/Octopus.htmlLouis Hesselt- van-Dinter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 23:43:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FA0F3BF0D; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:43:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20050919232812.71CB63BEE7@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050919232812.71CB63BEE7@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: Re: The Big(ish) Idea Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:42:54 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:43:00 +0000 (UTC) it's amazing that they don't even mention that it's a complete steal of the old electro harmonix "hot-foot" from the beginning to end. On Sep 19, 2005, at 7:28 PM, murkie wrote: > Here's a solution for the bend and rotate routine. For the tweaker in > all > of us: > > http://www.musictoyz.com/guitar/pedals/tip.php > > murkie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Luis Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 7:02 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: re: The Big(ish) Idea > > > Rick great tip man,ive been recently getting into the > DL4 since i am doing band rock gigs using an amp guitar and very basic > efxs.I must admit the DL4 can do more than meets the eye,but it would > be > killer if it had a button to go from preset mode to loop mode,instead > of the > bending to rotate i wonder if that would be complex to build into it? > > >> One of the techniques that I use with my line 6 pedal is putting it >> into record and then really rapidly, but randomly hitting the button >> that has the forward/reverse/half speed/double speed funtion. >> >> When I truncate the loop it then has these little random chunks of >> backwards/forwards/1/2 speed/double time. >> If I make this as some kind of melodic drone it provides a random loop >> that is nonetheless harmonically consonant with whatever I lay on top >> of it. >> > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 23:44:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 716793BF13; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:44:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MjIHP8Nd3la7490tfVMzqzY1KJp7wWdEH1RNntU0iNhE/P39wgAyAPCGQCva52jTTVBt61GP11eh3zhCDaVGVhgxSZzqi/h9gKg2nFGjKDcSTJrUmD5udWIiIcWK/GATSLGFgncir/HGfQSfTiJT+9sURKotPdaTteh0mWHZYD0= ; Message-ID: <20050919234449.66223.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:44:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: RE: The Big(ish) Idea To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050919232812.71CB63BEE7@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:44:51 +0000 (UTC) Funky yes! cheers luis --- murkie wrote: > Here's a solution for the bend and rotate routine. > For the tweaker in all > of us: > > http://www.musictoyz.com/guitar/pedals/tip.php > > murkie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Luis Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 7:02 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: re: The Big(ish) Idea > > > Rick great tip man,ive been recently getting into > the > DL4 since i am doing band rock gigs using an amp > guitar and very basic > efxs.I must admit the DL4 can do more than meets the > eye,but it would be > killer if it had a button to go from preset mode to > loop mode,instead of the > bending to rotate i wonder if that would be complex > to build into it? > > > > One of the techniques that I use with my line 6 > pedal is putting it > > into record and then really rapidly, but randomly > hitting the button > > that has the forward/reverse/half speed/double > speed funtion. > > > > When I truncate the loop it then has these little > random chunks of > > backwards/forwards/1/2 speed/double time. > > If I make this as some kind of melodic drone it > provides a random loop > > that is nonetheless harmonically consonant with > whatever I lay on top > > of it. > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 23:48:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CABD3BF12; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:48:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <06721E71-22AE-4277-9CB1-3029BD567776@charter.net> References: <012b01c5bd68$dfdae400$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <06721E71-22AE-4277-9CB1-3029BD567776@charter.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-12-690142650 Message-Id: <22f33c8155f5dbcf0375aeda067cfce5@bartholomusic.com> From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: The Big(ish) Idea Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:48:34 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 66.226.64.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:48:46 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-12-690142650 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed well i think that an auto stutter ALONG WITH manually operating it with ur foot covers all bases. PLUS i could put a rate knob that would vary the rate of the auto stutter. ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 19, 2005, at 5:31 PM, Kelly Coyle wrote: > Why not just put a momentary switch on a good-quality tremolo? Like > the Fulltone that has a "shape" adjustment that changes the curve of > the trem -- you can get very abrupt shifts or gentle ones, and, of > course, faster or slower. Save yourself some ankle wear. > > > > On Sep 19, 2005, at 5:24 PM, loop.pool wrote: > >> Phil Wilson wrote: >> >> "Basically I want to make a foot operated device that allows a signal >> to pass >> only when the button is pressed. Kind of a Poor-Mans-Morse-Glitch >> Pedal....... >> ......it is a push to make type switch so initially the signal is >> dead, however, >> when the button is pressed the sound is allowed to pass to the >> output." >> >> >> I have thought of a similar pedal and wished for one, Phil. >> >> This might be a cool addition to such a beast: >> >> Have two momentary buttons side by side with a switch that makes them >> >> either >> 1) turn the sound on when you want it turned on or >> 2) pass the sound and turn it off when you want it turned off >> >> Both buttons would do the same function which would allow for some >> one to do very, very rapid >> two foot manipulations of the pedal (like the glitch effects that are >> so popular in modern electronica now). >> >> It would be just as hip to cut the sound OFF as it would be to turn >> the sound ON with such a button. >> >> Do you see what I mean? >> ****************** >> One of the techniques that I use with my line 6 pedal is putting it >> into record and then really rapidly, but randomly >> hitting the button that has the forward/reverse/half speed/double >> speed funtion. >> >> When I truncate the loop it then has these little random chunks of >> backwards/forwards/1/2 speed/double time. >> If I make this as some kind of melodic drone it provides a random >> loop that is nonetheless harmonically consonant >> with whatever I lay on top of it. >> >> to have a real time 'GLITCH' pedal in line to add the same kind of >> randomization to the mute/unmute quality of the music >> would really be awesome. >> >> throw the whole damn mess into a Repeater and then play it like a >> chromatic instrument over three octaves. >> Now that's my idea of a good time. >> >> Now, who to build it......................lol >> >> Rick >> >> > --Apple-Mail-12-690142650 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII well i think that an auto stutter ALONG WITH manually operating it with ur foot covers all bases. PLUS i could put a rate knob that would vary the rate of the auto stutter. ___7979,0404,0909 Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Sep 19, 2005, at 5:31 PM, Kelly Coyle wrote: Why not just put a momentary switch on a good-quality tremolo? Like the Fulltone that has a "shape" adjustment that changes the curve of the trem -- you can get very abrupt shifts or gentle ones, and, of course, faster or slower. Save yourself some ankle wear. On Sep 19, 2005, at 5:24 PM, loop.pool wrote: Phil Wilson wrote: "Basically I want to make a foot operated device that allows a signal to pass only when the button is pressed. Kind of a Poor-Mans-Morse-Glitch Pedal....... ......it is a push to make type switch so initially the signal is dead, however, when the button is pressed the sound is allowed to pass to the output." I have thought of a similar pedal and wished for one, Phil. This might be a cool addition to such a beast: Have two momentary buttons side by side with a switch that makes them either 1) turn the sound on when you want it turned on or 2) pass the sound and turn it off when you want it turned off Both buttons would do the same function which would allow for some one to do very, very rapid two foot manipulations of the pedal (like the glitch effects that are so popular in modern electronica now). It would be just as hip to cut the sound OFF as it would be to turn the sound ON with such a button. Do you see what I mean? ****************** One of the techniques that I use with my line 6 pedal is putting it into record and then really rapidly, but randomly hitting the button that has the forward/reverse/half speed/double speed funtion. When I truncate the loop it then has these little random chunks of backwards/forwards/1/2 speed/double time. If I make this as some kind of melodic drone it provides a random loop that is nonetheless harmonically consonant with whatever I lay on top of it. to have a real time 'GLITCH' pedal in line to add the same kind of randomization to the mute/unmute quality of the music would really be awesome. throw the whole damn mess into a Repeater and then play it like a chromatic instrument over three octaves. Now that's my idea of a good time. Now, who to build it......................lol Rick --Apple-Mail-12-690142650-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 19 23:52:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 251083BF12; Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:52:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <024801c5bd75$3b212b60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: re: The Big(ish) Idea Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:52:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:52:42 +0000 (UTC) Doug wrote: > But, what I also remember was that the guy had moved the electronics > into his own guitar, and had setup a "touch plate" on his guitar as the > switch. So he could get these really fast mutes going, just by tapping > the touch plate. That sounds incredible. There are persian frame drum techniques called 'Ris' (not sure of the spelling, but the pronunciation is 'reese') Where you flam your fingers over the drum so that each finger lands milliseconds after the first original ones. This is as opposed to the more Arabic technique where every finger is articulates (which is great for playing accurately but also takes a whole lot of hours to perfect.) With such a touch plate and set to a momentary off (or on) position you could do extraordinarily quick glitches. That's my idea of a good time. Next Question: how difficult and/or expensive would such a plate be. It would necessitate playing it with ones fingers instead of with feet but fingers are for more accurate (unless you've spent a few years of hard work a double kick trapset drummer). This would mean you'd have to manipulate the loop after you made it, not during, but it also means that you could glitch the thing until you felt like stopping and then the loop would return to it's original sound (unless you resampled it). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 20 00:08:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADD223BF0E; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 00:08:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: The Big(ish) Idea Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:08:47 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20050919230222.31596.qmail@web52803.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 00:08:47 +0000 (UTC) "bending to rotate" uh huhu hu huh That sounds painfull uhhuhu -----Original Message----- From: Luis Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 4:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: The Big(ish) Idea Rick great tip man,ive been recently getting into the DL4 since i am doing band rock gigs using an amp guitar and very basic efxs.I must admit the DL4 can do more than meets the eye,but it would be killer if it had a button to go from preset mode to loop mode,instead of the bending to rotate i wonder if that would be complex to build into it? > One of the techniques that I use with my line 6 > pedal is putting it into > record and then really rapidly, but randomly > hitting the button that has the forward/reverse/half > speed/double speed > funtion. > > When I truncate the loop it then has these little > random chunks of > backwards/forwards/1/2 speed/double time. > If I make this as some kind of melodic drone it > provides a random loop that > is nonetheless harmonically consonant > with whatever I lay on top of it. > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 20 00:17:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B49273BEFA; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 00:17:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: The Big(ish) Idea Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:17:03 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20050919232812.71CB63BEE7@arsenic.violacea.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <_N5PNC.A.RvD.BU1LDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 00:17:05 +0000 (UTC) Aha, now that is something I haven't seen in years. I used to have and electro harmonix mechanical pedal just like this, that I now file in the "kick myself for getting rid" of department. Very cool, Bill -----Original Message----- From: murkie [mailto:sinister_footwear@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 4:28 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: The Big(ish) Idea Here's a solution for the bend and rotate routine. For the tweaker in all of us: http://www.musictoyz.com/guitar/pedals/tip.php murkie -----Original Message----- From: Luis Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 7:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: re: The Big(ish) Idea Rick great tip man,ive been recently getting into the DL4 since i am doing band rock gigs using an amp guitar and very basic efxs.I must admit the DL4 can do more than meets the eye,but it would be killer if it had a button to go from preset mode to loop mode,instead of the bending to rotate i wonder if that would be complex to build into it? > One of the techniques that I use with my line 6 pedal is putting it > into record and then really rapidly, but randomly hitting the button > that has the forward/reverse/half speed/double speed funtion. > > When I truncate the loop it then has these little random chunks of > backwards/forwards/1/2 speed/double time. > If I make this as some kind of melodic drone it provides a random loop > that is nonetheless harmonically consonant with whatever I lay on top > of it. > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 20 00:56:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B65533BF0E; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 00:56:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:56:39 -0800 Subject: Re: The Big(ish) Idea From: To: Loop Folk Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_8ejzC.A.9_E.M51LDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 00:56:44 +0000 (UTC) as usual-old fart that i B-i have the old ElectroHarmonix 'HOTFOOT" which i have in the past hooked up to my Boss PN-2 the best in footpedal tremelos bar none... hook the hotfoot to the rate pot and yer off to the races w/ the signal pulse (on/off), going from one pulse every 5 seconds er so and up to a stutter that is what 32 or 16 pulses per second-dont know the milleseconds exactly-but it is dramatic to go thru the sweep w/ yer shoe heel/toe :-) i think it beats the 'bend and rotate' and the hotfoot is just old bicycle brake technology too s > Aha, now that is something I haven't seen in years. I used to have and > electro harmonix mechanical pedal just like this, that I now file in the > "kick myself for getting rid" of department. Very cool, Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: murkie [mailto:sinister_footwear@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 4:28 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: The Big(ish) Idea > > > Here's a solution for the bend and rotate routine. For the tweaker in all > of us: > > http://www.musictoyz.com/guitar/pedals/tip.php > > murkie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Luis Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 7:02 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: re: The Big(ish) Idea > > > Rick great tip man,ive been recently getting into the > DL4 since i am doing band rock gigs using an amp guitar and very basic > efxs.I must admit the DL4 can do more than meets the eye,but it would be > killer if it had a button to go from preset mode to loop mode,instead of the > bending to rotate i wonder if that would be complex to build into it? > > >> One of the techniques that I use with my line 6 pedal is putting it >> into record and then really rapidly, but randomly hitting the button >> that has the forward/reverse/half speed/double speed funtion. >> >> When I truncate the loop it then has these little random chunks of >> backwards/forwards/1/2 speed/double time. >> If I make this as some kind of melodic drone it provides a random loop >> that is nonetheless harmonically consonant with whatever I lay on top >> of it. >> > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? 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Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 20 01:32:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B079E3BF0B; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:32:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: The Big(ish) Idea Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 18:32:40 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <7cg_x.A.4eG.5a2LDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:32:41 +0000 (UTC) man I envy you, I remember that they didn't work so good on light weight pedals that weren't fastened to a pedal board, they had a tendency to tip over things like tube screamers or move my frequency analyzer around heh heh, yet another pedal that I can file in the "Damn I wish I had held onto that" cabinet..... -----Original Message----- From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 6:57 PM To: Loop Folk Subject: Re: The Big(ish) Idea as usual-old fart that i B-i have the old ElectroHarmonix 'HOTFOOT" which i have in the past hooked up to my Boss PN-2 the best in footpedal tremelos bar none... hook the hotfoot to the rate pot and yer off to the races w/ the signal pulse (on/off), going from one pulse every 5 seconds er so and up to a stutter that is what 32 or 16 pulses per second-dont know the milleseconds exactly-but it is dramatic to go thru the sweep w/ yer shoe heel/toe :-) i think it beats the 'bend and rotate' and the hotfoot is just old bicycle brake technology too s > Aha, now that is something I haven't seen in years. I used to have and > electro harmonix mechanical pedal just like this, that I now file in the > "kick myself for getting rid" of department. Very cool, Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: murkie [mailto:sinister_footwear@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 4:28 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: The Big(ish) Idea > > > Here's a solution for the bend and rotate routine. For the tweaker in all > of us: > > http://www.musictoyz.com/guitar/pedals/tip.php > > murkie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Luis Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 7:02 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: re: The Big(ish) Idea > > > Rick great tip man,ive been recently getting into the > DL4 since i am doing band rock gigs using an amp guitar and very basic > efxs.I must admit the DL4 can do more than meets the eye,but it would be > killer if it had a button to go from preset mode to loop mode,instead of the > bending to rotate i wonder if that would be complex to build into it? > > >> One of the techniques that I use with my line 6 pedal is putting it >> into record and then really rapidly, but randomly hitting the button >> that has the forward/reverse/half speed/double speed funtion. >> >> When I truncate the loop it then has these little random chunks of >> backwards/forwards/1/2 speed/double time. >> If I make this as some kind of melodic drone it provides a random loop >> that is nonetheless harmonically consonant with whatever I lay on top >> of it. >> > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 20 01:37:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EA023BF08; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:37:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3nki@modaldub.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20050919232812.71CB63BEE7@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050919232812.71CB63BEE7@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: 3nki <3nki@modaldub.net> Subject: Re: The Big(ish) Idea Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:36:54 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - space.dnsprotect.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - modaldub.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:37:01 +0000 (UTC) interesting, strangely simple idea.. for something they want over $100 for!! should be half that at most, imho. -jb On Sep 19, 2005, at 8:28 PM, murkie wrote: > Here's a solution for the bend and rotate routine. For the tweaker in > all > of us: > > http://www.musictoyz.com/guitar/pedals/tip.php > > murkie > > -----Original Message----- > From: Luis Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 7:02 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: re: The Big(ish) Idea > > > Rick great tip man,ive been recently getting into the > DL4 since i am doing band rock gigs using an amp guitar and very basic > efxs.I must admit the DL4 can do more than meets the eye,but it would > be > killer if it had a button to go from preset mode to loop mode,instead > of the > bending to rotate i wonder if that would be complex to build into it? > > >> One of the techniques that I use with my line 6 pedal is putting it >> into record and then really rapidly, but randomly hitting the button >> that has the forward/reverse/half speed/double speed funtion. >> >> When I truncate the loop it then has these little random chunks of >> backwards/forwards/1/2 speed/double time. >> If I make this as some kind of melodic drone it provides a random loop >> that is nonetheless harmonically consonant with whatever I lay on top >> of it. >> > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 'The most faithful audio recording is the one never played." - from http://www.publicrec.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 20 03:15:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BB253BF0B; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 03:15:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.54.229.220] X-Originating-Email: [blackface@hotmail.co.uk] X-Sender: blackface@hotmail.co.uk In-Reply-To: <63e80f67b4f57850085936a41fa4d062@bartholomusic.com> From: "phill wilson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Big(ish) Idea (WOW) Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 03:15:13 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Sep 2005 03:15:14.0221 (UTC) FILETIME=[849545D0:01C5BD91] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 03:15:15 +0000 (UTC) WOW what can I say, I thought I would leave the question to brew for a couple of days and see if anyone replied with a few tips to help me build.........................Dang!! I have so much info and stuff that I hope you will all forgive me if I take a couple of days just to actually think WHAT I want now!! The way I was looking to use my unit was very differant to an actual tremelo, but seeing as people have ran with the idea in that direction I should add that the Addrenalinn has Temelo Sequencing meaning 16 steps that can be anything from completley off to totally on and all volumes between. this is a very versatile effect and is midi sequencable to the edp. this thread has had SO many weird Deja-vu type moments as well. The thread started to look at guys with plate operated guitar controls, would you believe, I remember as a kid of 16 thinking this was something Jonny Greenwood of Radiohead was useing for the Excact same effect during a live performance, it wasnt, he was actually using the pickup switch trick!! but he also wore a wrist splint which looked like Lever to a teenage eye!! I am amazed at how this came full circle, as the effect that I first sheard Jonny using at that very time is something I was still thinking about when I began to formulate a floor-based altenative in my mind, and the fact that such a device DOES exist inreality ......again WOW. Another weird thing is the floor rocker control............hehe the first home-brew-pedal I thought I would design and sell was EXCACTLY this but used an arm mechinisim culled from a wrench/plumbers screwdriver set. as you rock the foot forward it drives the internal thread which turns the arm end, mine is I believe more stable and also uses a thumb wheel to screw down on the knob side so you dont have to remove the knob cover. however, upon completing mine I found one of the old electroharmonix ones on Ebay UK. It was the first time i saw one I swear!! so that dashed that ideas originality (and of selling them to all my loopy friends) , so I tried again with this design........hahaha by the rate that everyone is getting their heads around this pedal it looks like I have missed the goal again, oh well, I will pay my student loan off someday............maybe a guitar that triggers emotive smell samples?!?!? Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface) Free Downloads at www.download.com/therealblackface _________________________________________________________________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 20 04:35:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1446F3BEF9; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 04:35:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: PMC-10 using Sustain type foot pedals Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 21:35:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcW9U7EIq2y5+lBgQCe2EmkRBWALMwASH+wg In-Reply-To: <432F16FF.2070806@sun.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Message-Id: <20050920043547.DYDL4028.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 04:35:51 +0000 (UTC) I tried plugging momentary switches, a DP-2 by Boss and an FSW-1 by Ensonic into the CC jacks on my PMC, these pedals seem to work the way we want. Didn't try to play or listen tho. And I have the EDP on an aux send now, so I am not sure how I will/would implement this--but it's nice to know the PMC ^^CAN^^ be used this way. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 20 07:13:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C40C83BEFB; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 07:13:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <012b01c5bd68$dfdae400$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <012b01c5bd68$dfdae400$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0FE41790-9B0A-4AD0-BC4A-47BA0F57A354@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: The Big(ish) Idea Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:13:19 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 07:13:23 +0000 (UTC) > Phil Wilson wrote: > > "Basically I want to make a foot operated device that allows a > signal to pass > only when the button is pressed. Kind of a Poor-Mans-Morse-Glitch > Pedal....... > ......it is a push to make type switch so initially the signal is > dead, however, > when the button is pressed the sound is allowed to pass to the > output." This is a great functionality! I always keep one midi expression pedal mapped to volume on the FireworX processor I'm usually playing through. But I'm not using that pedal for stuttering, more to prevent (or get the right amount of) acoustic feedback when playing flute or sax through distortion (or swell in guitar notes). But I have created some patches that "stutter" (i.e. tremolo like) on different rhythms of the midi clock tempo. For "manual stuttering into EDP loop" I keep a FCB button constantly mapped to "Overdub SUS". This thread have inspired me to try to also cram a "direct instrument line on/off" button into my set-up. Especially when playing guitar it's nice to have the machine gun effect handy and eventually loop the whole thing (monophonic instruments make more sense to me if "stuttered" after being looped into chords or clusters). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 20 08:30:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 361043BEFB; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:30:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:35:02 +0200 Subject: Re: The Big(ish) Idea From: Andreas Willers To: LD to post Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <024801c5bd75$3b212b60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:30:19 +0000 (UTC) Hi, from what I've seen/heard in Z.Vexs' demo vid, his volume probe should be a nice toy in this direction. Check it out. > Von: "loop.pool" > Antworten an: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Datum: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:52:44 -0700 > An: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > Betreff: re: The Big(ish) Idea > Neu gesendet von: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Neu gesendet am: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:52:42 +0000 (UTC) > > Doug wrote: >> But, what I also remember was that the guy had moved the electronics >> into his own guitar, and had setup a "touch plate" on his guitar as the >> switch. So he could get these really fast mutes going, just by tapping >> the touch plate. > > That sounds incredible. > > There are persian frame drum techniques called 'Ris' (not sure of the > spelling, but > the pronunciation is 'reese') > > Where you flam your fingers over the drum so that each finger lands > milliseconds after the first original > ones. > > This is as opposed to the more Arabic technique where every finger is > articulates (which is great for playing accurately but also takes a whole > lot of hours to perfect.) > > With such a touch plate and set to a momentary off (or on) position you > could do extraordinarily quick glitches. > That's my idea of a good time. > > Next Question: how difficult and/or expensive would such a plate be. > It would necessitate playing it with ones fingers instead of with feet but > fingers are for more accurate (unless > you've spent a few years of hard work a double kick trapset drummer). > This would mean you'd have to manipulate the loop after you made it, not > during, but it also > means that you could glitch the thing until you felt like stopping and then > the loop would return > to it's original sound (unless you resampled it). > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 20 09:58:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C92A3BEF7; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:58:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002c01c5bdc9$cd7e9bb0$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: Subject: Re: EDP Sync to Yamaha RM1x Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:58:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:58:07 +0000 (UTC) maybe the rm1x doesnt spit out sync utilities: SYNC INT : MIDI CONTROL OUT Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 20 10:27:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7ADB63BEF9; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:27:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <17370.195.188.213.34.1127212059.squirrel@195.188.213.34> In-Reply-To: <002c01c5bdc9$cd7e9bb0$0400000a@mini> References: <002c01c5bdc9$cd7e9bb0$0400000a@mini> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:27:39 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: EDP Sync to Yamaha RM1x From: dayshift@blueyonder.co.uk To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Sep 2005 10:28:29.0538 (UTC) FILETIME=[0AFFDC20:01C5BDCE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:27:41 +0000 (UTC) Hi Claude. Thanks for the response. > maybe the rm1x doesnt spit out sync > > utilities: SYNC INT > : MIDI CONTROL OUT I checked all these and all was correct (though I have it to midi control in/out). It's not that the edp doesn't sync to to it as it does, it just slowly drifts out of time. Very strange. I've been using the RM1x for years and it's always been really reliable as a midi clock master. Every other synth/sequencer/effect that I own clock to it perfectly apart from the edp. As you use the RM1x with an edp with no problems it must be possible. I'll experiment some more tonight. Thanks again. Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 20 11:03:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 670403BEF7; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:03:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [64.4.56.200] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Big(ish) Idea Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:03:15 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Sep 2005 11:03:15.0510 (UTC) FILETIME=[E655ED60:01C5BDD2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:03:19 +0000 (UTC) i love stutter - i use it all the time in my recordings by chopping up tiny bits of guitar in Logic and laying out in rhythmic patterns in the arrange window i've always wanted to be able to do this sort of thing live, so a box like this would be great! i'd have the polarity switch and another switch to enable auto-stuttering with some sort of associated rate knob. the addition of tap tempo, midi sync and a range of patterns for the auto-stutter would be fab (dunno if anybody has used Sampletank here, but one of it's onboard fx is called "Slicer" which has this feature - it's fab) the kaoss pad 2 had a slicer which i like a lot - it's midi syncable and has a few different patterns, but i'd love a pedal which i could just stamp on whenever i was in the mood for a bit if jitteryglitchness! somebody figure out how to make one please! ta sim www.simeonharris.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 20 12:11:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 802163BF0D; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:11:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OK+tJ73PIPClfYnMGPSjNVTlkHIUkX1AsyLo1Aox+NRlCwRJ4cXWqIc4aWioupuBv2A9kHwVNvsighPVyTp1fO5PMF9N4fzRKbdQ06zKpLUF+bBE0SaBDG+cx/IKfquccqp+mDWLKP6tK5ZQwLFYJo+YmDeOPVNlgD9NphpPhNw= ; Message-ID: <20050920121112.46683.qmail@web86809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:11:12 +0200 (CEST) From: obadia Subject: O.T : Quality Timestretching question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <024801c5bd75$3b212b60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:11:15 +0000 (UTC) Hello, very much O.T but one usually get so good advices here... :) I want to make a bastard-pop of 2 different acapellas. For this i will need to timestretch the voices to make them match and i'm not sure what's the best way not to deteriorate the sound too much. In Live there is the Transpose/Detune function which I find too lo-fi. There's also the AUPitch Audio Unit which seems better. Does anyone have any suggestion? Thank you for any help. ___________ Stéphane Obadia obadia@clumsybeats.org http://www.clumsybeats.org http://www.12rec.net/release_robsteady_019.htm ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 20 12:27:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79DB33BF11; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:27:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001b01c5bdde$a71dbae0$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20050920121112.46683.qmail@web86809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Quality Timestretching question Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:27:21 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: <35z6b.A.eFB.vAAMDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:27:28 +0000 (UTC) Not really that OT.. I like the stretching module in Cool Edit Pro. I dunno if this is still as good in the newer Adobe takeover-product... From: "obadia" > Hello, > very much O.T but one usually get so good advices > here... :) > I want to make a bastard-pop of 2 different acapellas. > For this i will need to timestretch the voices to make > them match and i'm not sure what's the best way not to > deteriorate the sound too much. > In Live there is the Transpose/Detune function which I > find too lo-fi. There's also the AUPitch Audio Unit > which seems better. > Does anyone have any suggestion? > > Thank you for any help. > > > ___________ > Stéphane Obadia > obadia@clumsybeats.org > http://www.clumsybeats.org > http://www.12rec.net/release_robsteady_019.htm > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger > Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 20 13:42:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78F8F3BEE1; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:42:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <433011B6.00005D.02524@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 06:42:14 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_EEB4YPP66RO000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: To: davidsterling@roadfly.org Cc: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: Please reach me asap. X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:42:13 +0000 (UTC) --------------Boundary-00=_EEB4YPP66RO000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I fall silent to your brain dazzling conservitism.=0D =0D Have a good, self restrictive day.=0D =0D =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: david sterling=0D Date: 09/19/05 20:27:03=0D To: Sony Felberg=0D Subject: Re: Please reach me asap.=0D =0D Liberalism is a mental disorder=0D =0D On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:29:31 -0700=0D Sony Felberg wrote:=0D >Well ya, this is not real....but it was a good opportunity for you to sl= ing=0D >mud at those whom are not conservatives.=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D >At 07:17 PM 9/19/2005, david sterling wrote:=0D >>Content-Type: text/plain; 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I fall silent to your brain dazzling conservitism.
 
Have a good, self restrictive day.
 
 
 
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Date: 09/19/05 20:= 27:03
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Liberalism is a mental disorder
 
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:29:31 -0700
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>>Report him to your webmaster
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--------------Boundary-00=_EEB4YPP66RO000000000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 20 13:51:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EEF33BF17; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:51:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Quality Timestretching question Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:50:24 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001b01c5bdde$a71dbae0$0207a8c0@eluk1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:42:52 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.93.46 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:51:20 +0000 (UTC) > I like the stretching module in Cool Edit Pro. I dunno if this is still as good in the newer Adobe takeover-product... same thing. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 20 14:06:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE4EA3BEEC; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:06:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dMNgq1L/HDqDngY5M8GsOkqq6Ek85LQUi/OWwaYg5mm2L/zwy9171Qg/eRVorz/TIGOLKlIRQAmyNQ4w30BREu4EiqISKqn/4yI1M8QMDwjljbaXyRnMday8zcA6Z/gY7yqHASbTIDkTSWVw2qWHbcreqhUwLdwykvmFHJDZrPU= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:06:16 -0500 From: Jon Southwood Reply-To: jsouthwood@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Quality Timestretching question In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <001b01c5bdde$a71dbae0$0207a8c0@eluk1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:06:18 +0000 (UTC) Back when I was in grad school, I was introduced to the Phase Vocoder. On the Mac platform, there's a killer program called SoundHack with a great implementation. I'm not sure of any stand-alone implementations on the Windows side, but I had great luck using CSound to create Phase Vocoded stretches. Even moderate amounts of stretching sounded really natural. (Of course, the most fun to be had is stretching things out by 20-30x or more.) SoundHack can be found here:=20 http://www.soundhack.com/freeware.php Cheers, Jon On 9/20/05, Michael Peters wrote: > > I like the stretching module in Cool Edit Pro. I dunno if this is stil= l > as good in the newer Adobe takeover-product... >=20 > same thing. >=20 > -Michael > www.michaelpeters.de >=20 >=20 >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 20 14:46:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 198C63BF0D; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:46:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=A4kMJA6ox2N7IXdDpgUUaUyiIi5x3vP8QEYpr6HGAJPruTqr2CgMAeq/3muZJLte14h1LuBz0FIY1YqURmrZPpvu7Pq1dqQ3vZUh7Boo1DF1Pf7O9R4PE4GykCJTmBae89wLhF5LPybN3ZHlaKU6vXvL4B+F8TSRIr+uskIVWoo= Message-ID: <26ba8d12050920074642b0e156@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:46:21 -0400 From: Tom Ritchford Reply-To: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Sarth Subject: Re: 1st Looping Festival Cc: db@biink.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <432F1C2F.1030201@sarth.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <432EB754.2000308@Verizon.net> <432EB8CC.2090204@biink.com> <26ba8d1205091912451fd1249d@mail.gmail.com> <432F1977.5090200@sarth.net> <26ba8d12050919131313a2a99a@mail.gmail.com> <432F1C2F.1030201@sarth.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:46:23 +0000 (UTC) Just to keep the momentum going: 1. there are several musicians who are interested in doing at least one New York show here, and we could certainly get some more loopers. 2. a regular show would be interesting, but there hasn't been an outpouring of support for it, perhaps we should start with a one-off? 3. the remote lounge has been mentioned. We also have a lot of clubs in W'burg that I might be willing to approach... On 9/19/05, Sarth wrote: > I think it would lend itself well to an ongoing thing. > > -- Sarth > > > Tom Ritchford wrote: > I'm not sure if they do one-off shows there but I do know the guy who > started it and he likes my stuff and has encouraged me to do things. > > Are we thinking of a one-off evening or a repeated show? > > There are a lot of places in my neighborhood, Williamsburg... > > On 9/19/05, Sarth wrote: > > > let me know ... a buddy of mine and I have been talking about something > like that for ages ... what about the remote lounge? > > > Tom Ritchford wrote: > I've had some interest in starting it up again -- but I've lost > several of the musicians, and the venue, and my time has become very > limited. > > I really should get Stv to take down the website. He's one of the > lost musicians, but fear not, he's alive and kicking, living in a > commune on Staten Island and setting up a bookstore!! > > If there were interest, or if there were interest in doing an evening > of loop shows, I'd definitely be up for it. > > /t > > On 9/19/05, David Beardsley wrote: > > > Dan Ash wrote: > > > > > > there was a weekly looping series for a while in New York City. > > The weekly open loop event at Chama is still listed on their website > http://www.loopny.com/#openloop > > Haven't been there in some time - maybe someone else can confirm? > > > Chama closed in Sept. 2003. > > -- > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db > > > > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > > > > > > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 20 15:16:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 666873BEFA; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:16:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Aptrev@aol.com Message-ID: <144.4dac1449.306181c6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:16:22 EDT Subject: very very OT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 40 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:16:30 +0000 (UTC) As another list member pointed out, this guy is a conservative who worked for the Reagan administration: http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts09162005.html bc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 20 15:40:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9C773BF08; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:40:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,127,1125874800"; d="scan'208"; a="22753258:sNHT18236162" Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050920163726.02d89440@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:40:03 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Re: Quality Timestretching question In-Reply-To: <20050920134214.1F43D3BF11@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050920134214.1F43D3BF11@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:40:10 +0000 (UTC) >Not really that OT.. > >I like the stretching module in Cool Edit Pro. I dunno if this is >still as good in the newer Adobe takeover-product... Most of CEP is the same in Adobe Audition. AA adds VST support, and the ability to edit in spectral view. ...and won't run on win98 andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 20 15:51:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C38D3BEFC; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:51:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43302FF5.7000100@biink.com> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:51:17 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Ritchford , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Sarth Subject: Re: 1st Looping Festival References: <432EB754.2000308@Verizon.net> <432EB8CC.2090204@biink.com> <26ba8d1205091912451fd1249d@mail.gmail.com> <432F1977.5090200@sarth.net> <26ba8d12050919131313a2a99a@mail.gmail.com> <432F1C2F.1030201@sarth.net> <26ba8d12050920074642b0e156@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <26ba8d12050920074642b0e156@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 15:51:19 +0000 (UTC) Tom Ritchford wrote: >Just to keep the momentum going: > >1. there are several musicians who are interested in doing at least >one New York show here, and we could certainly get some more loopers. > >2. a regular show would be interesting, but there hasn't been an >outpouring of support for it, perhaps we should start with a one-off? > > Yes. >3. the remote lounge has been mentioned. We also have a lot of clubs >in W'burg that I might be willing to approach... > Yes. It's easier to find parking in W'burg. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 20 16:00:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1D063BEF5; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:00:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MQkrjYsRMxE8L9Zh+BJ8SuXesvosNRdd0sTC1Ho4NTLL5z/xAU6QTKgbmvVDqtt8WCLx0BGmsCnetabhlbGPxCW8zhqdXerwQoNKhrWlf+TB/Ug5m79vqMbl80hvsmf6G8C5BtMA8bwhuuWEZUTgW4fgHb9T5HncApwQIKfwHRA= Message-ID: <26ba8d1205092009007afea270@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:00:02 -0400 From: Tom Ritchford Reply-To: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: db@biink.com Subject: Re: 1st Looping Festival Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Sarth In-Reply-To: <43302FF5.7000100@biink.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <432EB754.2000308@Verizon.net> <432EB8CC.2090204@biink.com> <26ba8d1205091912451fd1249d@mail.gmail.com> <432F1977.5090200@sarth.net> <26ba8d12050919131313a2a99a@mail.gmail.com> <432F1C2F.1030201@sarth.net> <26ba8d12050920074642b0e156@mail.gmail.com> <43302FF5.7000100@biink.com> Resent-Message-ID: <46g9WB.A.sBD.DIDMDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:00:03 +0000 (UTC) The possible venues closest to me would be Leila on North 7th and North 6 and Galapagos, on North 6th. All very reasonable spaces that would certainly show the sort of thing we do. Now, what would we be trying to sell them on, exactly? On 9/20/05, David Beardsley wrote: > Tom Ritchford wrote: > > >Just to keep the momentum going: > > > >1. there are several musicians who are interested in doing at least > >one New York show here, and we could certainly get some more loopers. > > > >2. a regular show would be interesting, but there hasn't been an > >outpouring of support for it, perhaps we should start with a one-off? > > > > > Yes. > > >3. the remote lounge has been mentioned. We also have a lot of clubs > >in W'burg that I might be willing to approach... > > > Yes. It's easier to find parking in W'burg. > > -- > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 20 16:16:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 791F83BF08; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:16:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:16:34 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: EDP Sync to Yamaha RM1x In-reply-to: <17370.195.188.213.34.1127212059.squirrel@195.188.213.34> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <433035E2.8050808@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <002c01c5bdc9$cd7e9bb0$0400000a@mini> <17370.195.188.213.34.1127212059.squirrel@195.188.213.34> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:16:41 +0000 (UTC) dayshift@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: > I checked all these and all was correct (though I have it to midi control > in/out). It's not that the edp doesn't sync to to it as it does, it just > slowly drifts out of time. Are you leaving overdub on, or do you have feedback lowered? The EDP will not correct for sync drift when overdub is on or feedback is turned slightly down. See page 6-2. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 20 17:52:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2AA53BF0D; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:52:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43304C77.1080303@biink.com> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:52:55 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Ritchford , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Sarth Subject: Re: 1st Looping Festival References: <432EB754.2000308@Verizon.net> <432EB8CC.2090204@biink.com> <26ba8d1205091912451fd1249d@mail.gmail.com> <432F1977.5090200@sarth.net> <26ba8d12050919131313a2a99a@mail.gmail.com> <432F1C2F.1030201@sarth.net> <26ba8d12050920074642b0e156@mail.gmail.com> <43302FF5.7000100@biink.com> <26ba8d1205092009007afea270@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <26ba8d1205092009007afea270@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:52:58 +0000 (UTC) Tom Ritchford wrote: > The possible venues closest to me would be Leila on North 7th and > North 6 and Galapagos, on North 6th. All very reasonable spaces that > would certainly show the sort of thing we do. Galapagos, I've been to a few years ago. Nice place, I like that big room in the back I hope it's still set up like that. Chama was so small, it was hard to set up equipment and still have room for an audience. N6 & Leila, I have not been to. > > Now, what would we be trying to sell them on, exactly? Good question. Are we just going to jam or are there going to be organized set lists? How long is each set going to be? dB > > On 9/20/05, David Beardsley wrote: > >> Tom Ritchford wrote: >> >>> Just to keep the momentum going: >>> >>> 1. there are several musicians who are interested in doing at least >>> one New York show here, and we could certainly get some more loopers. >>> >>> 2. a regular show would be interesting, but there hasn't been an >>> outpouring of support for it, perhaps we should start with a one-off? >>> >>> >> Yes. >> >>> 3. the remote lounge has been mentioned. We also have a lot of clubs >>> in W'burg that I might be willing to approach... >>> >> Yes. It's easier to find parking in W'burg. >> >> -- >> * David Beardsley >> * microtonal guitar >> * http://biink.com/db >> >> > > > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > > -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 20 18:45:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 804913BF14; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:45:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopersdelight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ady1rMjRb2iB6uDyhvqhYI2RkrISpYrpb3pleyUFHPtUH19kO7TLVT2uKmHtOWqGYuVoIzPLzmE6MSGKkrXQyVZAJgy5qnMEx6VyLANvpZEp/6sAPCm06yzFLE3rEEwjzz0F0hC5l9fy2khO9SP5JNHGm8xfOV6qcd21R2onfY0= ; Message-ID: <20050920184513.16679.qmail@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:45:13 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Music can "accomplish" To: Loopers-Delight@loopersdelight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1473972274-1127241913=:14214" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:45:16 +0000 (UTC) --0-1473972274-1127241913=:14214 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit the looping of sunlight and the absence of triggers the photosynthethetic reaction in plants, long days(16=8)(14=10) for vegetive growth, short days(12=12)(10=14) for flowering, in a controlled environment u can have 24 hour for vegetation and as low as 4 "on" 20 "off" for flowering.using a computerized timing system you can make days that are not on a 24 hour based day(4 hours "on" 10 hours "off" is the extreme).by doing this you can cut flowering time of 8 weeks down to 5 or 6.i think indica plants prefer looped guitar as they grow. sativa seems to like looped voodoo drums lol...any grow questions?just ask scary *<{{,': ) Travis Hartnett wrote:I think that question should be "Why do musicians have to 'accomplish' something?" Or, a question from ambient artists to their detractors "Why does music need to 'do' something?" Music just "is", sort of like sunlight. The sun isn't trying to "make" plants grow, rather plants grow in the presence of sunlight (among other things). Sometimes plants get too much sun, in which case they wither and die. How musicians (often believing themselves to be the creator of said music) or the audience interpret the phenomena of music really has more to do with the musician/audience than the music itself. > From: Stephen Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] > A realistic question for ambient artists: Why does music > have to "accomplish" something? > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1473972274-1127241913=:14214 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
the looping of sunlight and the absence of triggers the photosynthethetic reaction in plants, long days(16=8)(14=10) for vegetive growth, short days(12=12)(10=14) for flowering, in a controlled environment u can have 24 hour for vegetation and as low as 4 "on" 20 "off" for flowering.using a computerized timing system you can make days that are not on a 24 hour based day(4 hours "on" 10 hours "off" is the extreme).by doing this you can cut flowering time of 8 weeks down to 5 or 6.i think indica plants prefer looped guitar as they grow. sativa seems to like looped voodoo drums lol...any grow questions?just ask scary   *<{{,': )

Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
I think that question should be "Why do musicians have to 'accomplish'
something?" Or, a question from ambient artists to their detractors
"Why does music need to 'do' something?"

Music just "is", sort of like sunlight. The sun isn't trying to
"make" plants grow, rather plants grow in the presence of sunlight
(among other things). Sometimes plants get too much sun, in which
case they wither and die.

How musicians (often believing themselves to be the creator of said
music) or the audience interpret the phenomena of music really has
more to do with the musician/audience than the music itself.


> From: Stephen Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net]

> A realistic question for ambient artists: Why does music
> have to "accomplish" something?
>

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1473972274-1127241913=:14214-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 20 19:18:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46C343BF11; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 19:18:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=h/u5adl76EzQiZsZVJTwEbpy2jQOFTTbjecUzXnogaD8I31/DED8omV7Nwgbci4YS61jafgQjUaTV8p5qorAA8VAYPoUlxyYVDQ5GHLkrP9gs1tmrf0fA6zfipVduyrzIdrODt7F/JDnmcifDjnFWOaVawcdc/VjNUAoFZzlpq0= ; Message-ID: <20050920191841.99624.qmail@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:18:41 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: RE: The Big(ish) Idea - people who did this To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050919200108.FHBL25410.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1489554754-1127243921=:99592" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 19:18:44 +0000 (UTC) --0-1489554754-1127243921=:99592 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ever use feedback for the note source and move in and out of the feedback feild while "stuttering"? yup Gary Lehmann wrote: My SG copy (the Kim Thayal guitar, a Guild S-100) can do this if you turn down one of the pickups-- So maybe Hendrix was playing a Gibson style instrument . . . Gary -----Original Message----- From: Jon Southwood [mailto:jsouthwood@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 12:46 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Big(ish) Idea - people who did this I think Hendrix did this (stutter) on Voodoo Child (Slight Return). I always assumed it was done with special pickup wiring that allowed him to cut the pickup in and out. On 9/19/05, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > btw, I saw Tom Morello (RATM) do this on the "Know your Enemy" tune. I > think he used a switch on his guitar. > > --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-1489554754-1127243921=:99592 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

ever use feedback for the note source and move in and out of the feedback feild while "stuttering"?
yup

Gary Lehmann <hqr@cox.net> wrote:
My SG copy (the Kim Thayal guitar, a Guild S-100) can do this if you turn
down one of the pickups--
So maybe Hendrix was playing a Gibson style instrument . . .
Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Southwood [mailto:jsouthwood@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 12:46 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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I think Hendrix did this (stutter) on Voodoo Child (Slight Return). I
always assumed it was done with special pickup wiring that allowed him
to cut the pickup in and out.

On 9/19/05, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote:
> btw, I saw Tom Morello (RATM) do this on the "Know your Enemy" tune. I
> think he used a switch on his guitar.
>
>



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Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-1489554754-1127243921=:99592-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 20 20:12:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECC9F3BF17; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 20:12:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002f01c5be1f$cb8853e0$e9622052@rob> From: "Bob" To: Subject: Re: EDP Sync to Yamaha RM1x Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 21:13:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01C5BE28.2D220260" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Sep 2005 20:13:05.0788 (UTC) FILETIME=[B612DBC0:01C5BE1F] Resent-Message-ID: <1CtcS.A.eLF.h0GMDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 20:12:17 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C5BE28.2D220260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Are you leaving overdub on, or do you have feedback lowered? > The EDP will not correct for sync drift when overdub is on > or feedback is turned slightly down. See page 6-2. Hi Jeff Thanks for the suggestion but I don't leave the overdub on and feedback = is on max. Been experimenting with it all night. Thought I'd cracked it = at one point as it stays perfectly in sync with one of the preset songs = so thought it needed some preset parts (which I could mute or turn down) = along with my stuff to get it to work. Didn't work. Tried some more = presets and it doesn't sync to them too. Just this one preset song so = far, though I've only checked a few. Completely bizarre. The only other thing I can think it might be (unless = there's some strange midi stuff going on with the edp) is that I've got = an older version of the Rm1x and there was an operating system upgrade = eprom. Going to see if I can get Yamaha to send me one to fit but I've = heard it doesn't do a lot so it's a long shot. If that doesn't work, just going to have to completely rethink my live = equipment plans and not use the rm1x which is a shame as it's always = been a great live sequencer. Spent all night trying and failing to sort = tech issues rather than music making. Ah well. Thanks again and any other suggestions gratefully received. Bob ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C5BE28.2D220260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> Are you=20 leaving overdub on, or do you have feedback lowered?
> The EDP = will not=20 correct for sync drift when overdub is on
> or feedback is turned = slightly=20 down.  See page 6-2.
 
Hi=20 Jeff
 
Thanks for the suggestion but I don't leave the = overdub on and=20 feedback is on max. Been experimenting with it all night. Thought I'd = cracked it=20 at one point as it stays perfectly in sync with one of the preset = songs so=20 thought it needed some preset parts (which I could mute or turn = down) along=20 with my stuff to get it to work. Didn't work. Tried some more = presets and=20 it doesn't sync to them too. Just this one preset song so far, though = I've only=20 checked a few.
 
Completely bizarre. The only other thing I can = think it might=20 be (unless there's some strange midi stuff going on with the edp) is = that I've=20 got an older version of the Rm1x and there was an operating system = upgrade=20 eprom. Going to see if I can get Yamaha to send me one to fit but I've = heard it=20 doesn't do a lot so it's a long shot.
 
If that doesn't work, just going to have to = completely rethink=20 my live equipment plans and not use the rm1x which is a shame as it's = always=20 been a great live sequencer. Spent all night trying and failing to sort = tech=20 issues rather than music making. Ah well.
 
Thanks again and any other suggestions = gratefully=20 received.
 
Bob
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Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 21 02:33:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C52503BF06; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 02:33:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3nki@modaldub.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: 3nki <3nki@modaldub.net> Subject: Raiding the 20th Century - Words & Music Expansion Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:33:51 -0300 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - space.dnsprotect.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - modaldub.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 02:33:59 +0000 (UTC) i found this quite interesting in several ways... well worth the 71MB download. also, the rest of the UBU Web site has a lot of great stuff worth checking out. -jb ----- http://www.ubu.com/sound/dj_food.html DJ Food | UbuWeb DJ Food - Raiding the 20th Century - Words & Music Expansion (starring Paul Morley and a cast of thousands), 70mb 1. 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Kev decided to expand his idea to make the defnitive document on cut up music including many other parts, omitted by the constraints of the original radio session. After months of further research he tracked Morley down and they recorded passages from 'Words & Music' specially for this mix in an attempt tomarry the two and finish something that neither of them actually started. 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DJ Milo - Return of The Original Artform (Major Force 12") Derek & Clive - Records (DK re-edit) (Virgin LP/mp3) De La Soul - Cool Breeze on the Rocks (Tommy Boy LP) Zeb Rockski & Steiber Twins - The Revenge (B Boys Revenge '97) (Mzee 12") Bronx Dogs - Tribute To Jazzy Jay (Death Mix) (Kontranand 12") DJ Format - English Lesson (Bomb Hip Hop Records 12") Dynamix 2 - Just Give the DJ A Break (Dynamix 12") Beat Junkies - Scratch Monopoly Pt II (Bomb Hip Hop Records LP) Mr Dibbs - B Boys Revenge (Turntable Scientifics cassette) DJ Craze - 1st ITF chamionship set (cassette) Invisibl Skratch Piklz - Vs Da Klamz Uv Deth (Asphodel 12") The Herbaliser - Wall Crawling Flying Insect Breaks (Ninja Tune 12") Cut Chemist - Lesson 6 (The Lecture) (Pickininny 12" EP) Pt 4 - Pressed For Time Cassetteboy - Fly Me To New York (Barrys Bootlegs CD) Jive Bunny & The Mastermixers - Swing The Mood (Music Factory12") Stars On 45 - Stars On 45 (? 12") The Jams - All You Need Is Love (KLF Communications 12") Age Of Chance - Kisspower (unreleased mix) (FON 12") Negativeland - The Perfect Cut (Good As Gold) (SST LP) Christian Marclay - Pandora's Box (Organik/RecRec LP) Jon Oswald - Way (Plunderphonics CD) Evolution Control Committee - Rebel Without A Pause (The Whipped Cream mix) (Pickled Egg 7") Jon Oswald - Brown (plunderphonics CD) Tape Beatles - Concern About (Staalplaat CD) Jon Oswald - dab (Plunderphonics CD) Tape Beatles - Short History of the Tape Beatles (Staalplaat CD) The KLF - Rock Radio Into The Nineties and Beyond (KLF Communications LP) People Like Us - Sound Escape (Solielmoon Recordings 12") Negativeland - The Letter U & The Numeral 2 (acapella mix) (Seeland 12") Emergency Broadcast Network - Behaviour Modification / We Will Rock You (TVT Records CDS) Black Helicopters - Hammered Gods (Leaf 12") People Like Us - Sound Escape (Solielmoon Recordings 12") Tape Beatles - Thus (Staalplaat CD) Forest J. Ackerman - Music For Robots (Science Fiction Records LP) Pt 5 - Time's Up Osymyso - Intro Inspection (Radar 12") The Freelance Hellraiser - A Stroke of Genius (white label 7") Girls On Top - We Don't Give A Damn About Our Friends (Black Melody 7") Kurtis Rush - George Gets His Freak On (white label 12") Copywrong - Too Much Freakin' (mp3) Girls On Top - Being Scrubbed (Black Melody 7") 2 Many DJs - Dreadlock Woman (white label 12") Osymyso - Pat n Peg (3 Sevens 12") The Freelance Hellraiser - Got My Lovely Money (CD-R) The Freelance Hellraiser - Step On Man (CD-R) Osymyso - Intro Inspection (Radar 12") Osymyso - John's Not Mad (mp3) Picasio - Do You Really Like It? (Barrys Bootlegs 7") The Freelance Hairdresser - Marshall's Been Snookered (mp3) Mky - I've Created A Monster (mp3) B.R.K. - JackoNim (mp3) Mr On - Breathe, Don't Stop (white label 12") The Freelance Hellraiser - Can You Lick Shots? (CD-R) Skkatter - Madonna Is A Filthy Slut (V/Vm Test Records LP) Mcsleazy - Don't Call Me Song 2 (mp3) Wayne Butane - Elderly (Wild Why) Girls On Top - I Wanna Dance With Numbers (Black Melody 7") Kylie - Can't Get You Out Of My Head (Soulwax Electrosoul mix) (PIAS CD) Kylie Minogue - Can't Get You Out Of Blue Monday Live @ the Brits 2002 (mp3) 20th Century Fox theme outro ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- "But if the cause be not good, the king himself hath a heavy reckoning to make, when all those legs and arms and heads, chopped off in battle, shall join together at the latter day and cry all 'We died at such a place;' some swearing, some crying for a surgeon, some upon their wives left poor behind them, some upon the debts they owe, some upon their children rawly left. I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they charitably dispose of any thing, when blood is their argument?" - William Shakespeare, Henry V: Act 4 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 21 05:52:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C0763BF08; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 05:52:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: Mini Looping Festival (within a Festival) October 10 & 11 in Padova (Padua), Italy Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:51:52 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 05:52:24 +0000 (UTC) Mini Looping Festival (within a Festival) October 10 & 11 in Padova (Padua), Italy After the Success of the "45 Festival" a 45 hour non stop improvised music festival in Padova (Padua) North Italy which featured Tony Levin, Willie Oteri, Chris Boulet Cookie Morenco, Ronan Chris Murphy and many others we are gearing up for the "45B side Festival" which has several artists confirmed including Pat Mastelotto (King Crimson), Markus Reuter (centrozoon), Willie Oteri, Lives of the Saints, Schreoder (from Mike Keneally's Beer For Dolphins), possibly Tony Levin (not confirmed at this time) again and many others from around the world. The event is held at Factory 04 http://www.factory04.com/ As part of the festival I am hosting an ambient/looping mornings mini festival. At 5am each morning the loud jazz/rock/blues etc gives way to 5 or 6 hours of mellow looping and ambient music. Tony Levin described his experience sitting in with ambient mornings at the last 45 as "30 minutes of perfect music" see a photo of it here http://www.venetowest.com/gallery/5am.jpg The nature of these shows is sort of a controlled chaos where the event is free and open to any one as an audience member or performer, but with a bit of curating and quality control by the organizers. The Marquee performers come and go at various times throughout the two days with no fixed schedule and you get a lot of surprise pairings with known and unknown players. Musician playing the ambient looping mornings are also welcome to perform at other times. Unfortunately this date conflicts with the Looping Fest in Santa Cruz, but could be a cool alternatives for some Europeans that can not make the trip to Santa Cruz. Please contact me if you would like any more info Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 21 07:14:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F0133BF17; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 07:14:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4331086C.7060408@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 09:14:52 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Raiding the 20th Century - Words & Music Expansion References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 07:14:56 +0000 (UTC) Agreed! I didn't like many of the tracks, but still found it an interesting listen - a skillfully crafted document. Andreas 3nki wrote: > i found this quite interesting in several ways... well worth the 71MB > download. also, the rest of the UBU Web site has a lot of great stuff > worth checking out. > > -jb > > ----- > > http://www.ubu.com/sound/dj_food.html > > > DJ Food | UbuWeb > > > DJ Food - Raiding the 20th Century - Words & Music Expansion > (starring Paul Morley and a cast of thousands), 70mb > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 21 10:53:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C51C93BF13; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 10:53:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <43313BB8.000001.03936@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 03:53:44 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_K9Y5QL80000000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <4331086C.7060408@post.cybercity.dk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Raiding the 20th Century - Words & Music Expansion X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: <381xXD.A.4OD.4uTMDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 10:53:44 +0000 (UTC) --------------Boundary-00=_K9Y5QL80000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cool, UBU is back up!=0D they have been down for a while! =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Date: 09/21/05 00:14:56=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: Re: Raiding the 20th Century - Words & Music Expansion=0D =0D Agreed! I didn't like many of the tracks, but still found it an=0D interesting listen - a skillfully crafted document.=0D =0D Andreas=0D =0D 3nki wrote:=0D =0D > i found this quite interesting in several ways... well worth the 71MB=0D > download. also, the rest of the UBU Web site has a lot of great stuff=0D > worth checking out.=0D >=0D > -jb=0D >=0D > -----=0D >=0D > http://www.ubu.com/sound/dj_food.html=0D >=0D >=0D > DJ Food | UbuWeb=0D >=0D >=0D > DJ Food - Raiding the 20th Century - Words & Music Expansion=0D > (starring Paul Morley and a cast of thousands), 70mb=0D >=0D >=0D >=0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_K9Y5QL80000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Cool, UBU is back up!
   they have been down for a while! 
 
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Date: 09/21/05 00:= 14:56
Subject: Re: Raidi= ng the 20th Century - Words & Music Expansion
 
Agreed! I didn't like many of the tracks, but still found it an
interesting listen - a skillfully crafted document.
 
Andreas
 
3nki wrote:
 
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> download. also, the rest of the UBU Web site has a lot of great= stuff
> worth checking out.
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> -jb
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> DJ Food | UbuWeb
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> (starring Paul Morley and a cast of thousands), 70mb
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--------------Boundary-00=_K9Y5QL80000000000000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 21 15:50:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D26D73BF0B; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 15:50:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-7.tower-80.messagelabs.com!1127317814!32038569!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC88C9@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: just wanted to share with you all Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:51:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5BEC4.4B0CE190" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 15:50:19 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5BEC4.4B0CE190 Content-Type: text/plain I managed to get my hands on a bel bd80 finally. to be continued...... duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5BEC4.4B0CE190 Content-Type: text/html just wanted to share with you all

I managed to get my hands on a bel bd80 finally. to be continued......

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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5BEC4.4B0CE190-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 21 17:20:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F2673BF0D; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:20:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050921101353.053ca698@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 10:20:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: EDP Sync to Yamaha RM1x In-Reply-To: <002f01c5be1f$cb8853e0$e9622052@rob> References: <002f01c5be1f$cb8853e0$e9622052@rob> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:20:41 +0000 (UTC) At 01:13 PM 9/20/2005, Bob wrote: >Thanks for the suggestion but I don't leave the overdub on and feedback is >on max. similar effect can happen when using delay mode, if you never put it in "hold". >Been experimenting with it all night. Thought I'd cracked it at one point >as it stays perfectly in sync with one of the preset songs so thought it >needed some preset parts (which I could mute or turn down) along with my >stuff to get it to work. Didn't work. Tried some more presets and it >doesn't sync to them too. Just this one preset song so far, though I've >only checked a few. It may be really useful if you provide us with all the parameter settings on the Echoplex and the configuration of the RM1x as well. also, is the Echoplex LoopIII or LoopIV, how is everything connected, what sequence of actions you do, what you see on the display, etc. It is really difficult and time consuming to help debug a problem like this if we don't get all the details! kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 21 17:43:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B5E73BF16; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:43:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=memkeTWrexHMjD8RDm35dhHFRUX7LH7QPD3iiRRG6DJC5InpfHhWI8cdWNboqlHA; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22005932117472160@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: midi octopus Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:47:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940f75ae04c4744c964a3141b0b9804723e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.146.79 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:43:05 +0000 (UTC) Thanks! > [Original Message] > From: muman > To: > Date: 9/19/2005 7:36:37 PM > Subject: midi octopus > > from our friendly google-bot > > http://www.rockmancentral.com/RockmanCentral/Docs/Octopus.htmlLouis Hesselt- > van-Dinter > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 21 18:27:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62BC63BF0C; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:27:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wB/r0DUQZ4UbFTAgVmTcxp44T2o1nbgYD7pMMoxOiaA6i/ZzHLf++RsUlRbb+YLMn62pnjJqP3X2nQ4Sx2O6C5hW9cRK3tCT/C36Mskqs0wI3yPkJLnZngfqm7K3TkW+wPyKlLOElQwqUGmm+nFOinNegp90HIzghx7FX2e61vk= ; Message-ID: <20050921182724.19368.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 11:27:24 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hansen Subject: slightly OT: David Torn in "Tape Op" mag To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050921023400.6EA353BF11@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1952127366-1127327244=:18860" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:27:27 +0000 (UTC) --0-1952127366-1127327244=:18860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit just got my new 'tape op' mag, and david torn is interviewed. i just scanned it, not much specific looping talk, more talking about role as producer and his recording stuff (hence tape op) s--- --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-1952127366-1127327244=:18860 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

just got my new 'tape op' mag, and david torn is interviewed.

i just scanned it, not much specific looping talk, more

talking about role as producer and his recording stuff (hence tape op)

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Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-1952127366-1127327244=:18860-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 21 20:03:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA55A3BF0B; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 20:03:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=eKSGAY2Ph9ASJrJnVz1D+cE+NZVKdqYmnmEHMZWPXlHtPq2C7tIJINW+OiGyl2NWSReoeG3XjRmA7kWV4zeLT2caRKdsZUl32h38+oCGR2vqwKQlY5suu4fMWKs/ODUiFap1sFFVfU8DF0aAcrpJXso7rpWJsmcbjgAAj5CZFT4= ; Message-ID: <20050921200311.22619.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:03:10 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Softsampler, softgrooveboxes etc. - even more OT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000001c5bba7$813824c0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 20:03:11 +0000 (UTC) Oh, I don't know if it's OT. Enough of us use loopers in conjunction with computers for sync or other recording functions that I think it's worth talking about. So far I'm finding Digital Performer4.6/Battery2 to be fairly intuitive and fast fast fast for the creating of patterns to loop to. Are you talking about downloading patterns in a .mid format? It think there are sites that sell those... but I say make them yourself! One thing I do is if I'm inspired by a tune/groove I'll attempt to reconstruct it myself, then later come back to it and start editing it. most of the time it ends up being nicely unique. Other times just fucking around and experimenting can yield really cool results. Good luck, Mark --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Dear Mark, dear other people who had been on the > softsampler thread, > > currently, I'm thinking about replacing my hardware > groove boxes (Roland > MC505, Quasimidi Sirius) with something software. > For the sound > generator, I'm perfectly happy with a combination of > different soft > synths (for drums Battery, plus some synths, some of > them freeware like > the outstanding mda epiano) - but regarding the > patterns: > > does any one of you have a decent (or even a very > basic) collection of > grooves (preferrably both drums and bass/chords, but > only drums will > also do) in a format that will make me happy when > using Live? Or perhaps > another VST plugin which will do the > pattern-playing, controlling the > soft-synths? > > Respond off-list please, if this goes as off-topic > as I expect this to > be... > > Thanks, > > Rainer > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 21 20:15:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7177C3BF12; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 20:15:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003b01c5bee9$3e5480f0$0301a8c0@mlimli> From: "claude voit" To: References: <002f01c5be1f$cb8853e0$e9622052@rob> Subject: Re: EDP Sync to Yamaha RM1x Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:15:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 20:15:47 +0000 (UTC) Bob some more ideas isnt there any track spitting notes to the edp that could do some weird direct midi functions (it is worth a try to mute any rm1x output except clock and realtime messages to see if the edp is overdriven by midi messages do you have a midi analysis app that you could set to read the rm1x output as Kim suggested you really need to describe your set up, presets, cabling, as precisely as possible if you want us to help I for sure am 100 % sure that an EDP can sync fine with a rm1x as master (played with it for 4 years for beta testing the edp and more than 20 concerts ) we just need to find out whats wrong with your setup claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 21 20:25:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96D7F3BEF8; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 20:25:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: <3nki@modaldub.net> X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20050921200311.22619.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050921200311.22619.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: 3nki <3nki@modaldub.net> Subject: Re: (Santa Cruz) Y25K International Loopers Conference Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:25:46 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - space.dnsprotect.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - modaldub.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 20:25:55 +0000 (UTC) Hello, In regard to the Loopers Conference in Santa Cruz on October 8th: does anyone have any more information about this? I have recently re-joined the list after a long absence and missed everything regarding this Conference except what little there is on the Loopers-Delight.com website. Specifically, I am looking for contact information as I would be interested in performing. I am a long time looper from San Francisco who moved to Belo Horizonte, Brazil, about one year ago. So, I haven't had as much exposure to looping as I was used to in SF, not to mention opportunities to perform "loop music". However, I will be in the San Francisco Bay Area for about two months from September 30th and am very interested to explore any performance opportunities. So if anyone can send me some contact information I would appreciate it. Regarding the software topic someone mentioned a few mails back, I have been using Cycling74's radiaL (http://www.cycling74.com/products/radial.html) and I like it quite a bit. While I do miss my old Sequential/Jam-Man set-up, my powerbook and radiaL were a lot easier to move to Brazil. I have tried Live and various other software looping apps, or apps that can be used for looping, and have found that I like radiaL the best. With radiaL, Logic Express and BIAS Peak i have all i need. Of course Pluggo, Absynth, etc., are fun to play around with sometimes... -jb * For anyone interested, some of my music is online at http://www.modaldub.net/ under several names (reflecting various collaborations, oysterdub is the solo one): charlie chomsky, funeral butchers, oysterdub, panbobo, rubaiyat. I've also recorded with Daniel Hintz as UM and The Owls when I lived in SF, though I don't have audio files online for those. ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- 'The most faithful audio recording is the one never played." - from http://www.publicrec.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 21 20:59:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10C043BF0C; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 20:59:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <011701c5beef$4b6441d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: References: <20050921023400.6EA353BF11@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Possible New York Looping Fest: was 1st Looping Festival Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:59:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <3BQC2D.A.TrH.XmcMDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 20:59:04 +0000 (UTC) David wrote: "Good question. Are we just going to jam or are there going to be organized set lists? How long is each set going to be?" I've really thought long and hard about this question with the many festivals I have either produced or instigated. Not being an East Coaster, I can profer some gratuitous advice (and all gratuitous advice can be ignored without peril of hurting feelings...........) We have found in all of our multiple events that audiences have a hard time with anything longer than 30 minutes sets. This can be disconcerting to musicians who want to stretch out more but because we are asking people to take on a mutliple act show (with few breaks usually) I feel that it is very countreproductive, especially with disparate styles, genres and approaches that occur in live looping, to play longer. I think the important thing to consider is that while these things are fun to play and to attend (our festivals are really as much conventions of loopers as performances of loopers) that it is very important not to be self indulgent. If we want club owners to be happy with hosting us (and it's really difficult to have anyone host a 'new music' act these days in every country I've performed in in the last 3 years) we have to 1) bring some bodies to the club and increase their business and 2) put on a professional and well paced show. Also if you are going into a venue that is new to looping another thing that we have learned (because we've been in multiple venues over the last 6 years) is that it is really important to go out of your way to be kind and inclusive to all staff at the clubs. This may sound ridiculously sophomoric to say, but people get their panties in a bunch frequently on the day of a show and it's easy to be very internal with one's process (especially when gear is wierd or you suddenly discover that your AC won't reach the stage or some such nonsense). Being really familial and friendly with the owner, sound guys, waitresses and bouncers goes a long way, especially when it takes a few shows to get a crowd coming to an event, which it can take with this kind of thing. I also have a policy where I leave the stage and surrounding area cleaner than when we came. Such a silly thing, but when people get the vibe that you care as much for where they work as they do..........even if it's picking up some previous rock bands duck tape off the stage and cleaning up all the drinks and extra strings and broken sticks lying around...............it really goes a long way. Viz a vis opening up a new venue, I have also discovered that a great place to play is any place that you can find where 1) there's enough space to bring in a small pa (if they dont' have one) 2) any place where 20 customers (and include yourselves in that number because you will buy coffee and a sandwich probably) We have done looping shows in retail stores that have never had music before............art galleries..................coffee shops......................warehouses........... dinky little working class bars......even places where what you are doing seems really incongruous. It's great to approach such a busniess with the idea "what's your least attended night of the week?". "Could you guys use 20-30 new customers on that night?" The answer is almost always "yes" at even the most unlikely places. There's no need to make assumptions about whether a place would like you or not. People are dying to be involved with something. This is an exciting and most definitely burgeoning new style and genre-less movement and people want to participate even if they Okay, that's enough gratuitous advice for now. If anyone needs more help with things of these kinds, please reach out. I'd be happy to share what I've learned doing this pretty aggressively over the past few years. respectfully, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 21 21:06:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56F473BF15; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:06:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00a401c5bef0$49826d00$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20050921200311.22619.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Softsampler, softgrooveboxes etc. - even more OT Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:51:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:06:03 +0000 (UTC) I'm partial to Tuareg, TunaFish, and Hammerhead for drums and grooves. www.brambos.com good stuff. Tony p.s. Rainer, Did I send the file of MIDI drum patterns to you? > --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > wrote: > >> Dear Mark, dear other people who had been on the >> softsampler thread, >> >> currently, I'm thinking about replacing my hardware >> groove boxes (Roland >> MC505, Quasimidi Sirius) with something software. >> For the sound >> generator, I'm perfectly happy with a combination of >> different soft >> synths (for drums Battery, plus some synths, some of >> them freeware like >> the outstanding mda epiano) - but regarding the >> patterns: >> >> does any one of you have a decent (or even a very >> basic) collection of >> grooves (preferrably both drums and bass/chords, but >> only drums will >> also do) in a format that will make me happy when >> using Live? Or perhaps >> another VST plugin which will do the >> pattern-playing, controlling the >> soft-synths? >> >> Respond off-list please, if this goes as off-topic >> as I expect this to >> be... >> >> Thanks, >> >> Rainer >> >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 22 00:18:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9ED293BEF4; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 00:18:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4331F873.5020701@biink.com> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 20:18:59 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Possible New York Looping Fest: was 1st Looping Festival References: <20050921023400.6EA353BF11@arsenic.violacea.com> <011701c5beef$4b6441d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <011701c5beef$4b6441d0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 00:18:37 +0000 (UTC) loop.pool wrote: > We have found in all of our multiple events that audiences have a hard > time with anything longer than > 30 minutes sets. This can be disconcerting to musicians who want to > stretch out more but > because we are asking people to take on a mutliple act show (with few > breaks usually) I feel that > it is very countreproductive, especially with disparate styles, genres > and approaches that occur in live looping, > to play longer. 30 min is what I was thinking of. > > I think the important thing to consider is that while these things are > fun to play and to attend (our festivals are really as > much conventions of loopers as performances of loopers) that it is > very important not to be self indulgent. > > If we want club owners to be happy with hosting us (and it's really > difficult to have anyone host a 'new music' act these days > in every country I've performed in in the last 3 years) we have to > > 1) bring some bodies to the club and increase their business and I try, but I'm not real good at it. Tom has the ExtremeNY list, it brings folks in. > 2) put on a professional and well paced show. Yeah, pro is the word. More comments later when I have time. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 22 04:13:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A66A3BF0C; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 04:13:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 116de7b4d3a6f7c290187410a78d799c Received-SPF: none (soluezi.terra.com.br: 200.176.10.13 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of grob.org) client-ip=200.176.10.13; envelope-from=matthias@grob.org; helo=[10.1.1.6]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050919182608.JXCJ18416.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20050919182608.JXCJ18416.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 01:13:03 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: sustain type foot controller into a PMC? was: RE: The Big(ish) Idea Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 04:13:21 +0000 (UTC) >Hey Guys, how much? Sounds like a great idea!--instant tremolo! > >Can this be done with MIDI on the EDP? What happens when you put a sustain >type foot controller into a PMC? >Gary not really, because we have no way to affect the direct signal but if you are happy with having the effect just in the loop, select OverdubMode = SUS use Overdub :-) -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 22 07:40:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E69613BF05; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 07:40:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,135,1125874800"; d="scan'208"; a="24126584:sNHT147586019" Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050922083747.02db3d70@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:39:49 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Lucier piece on mp3 In-Reply-To: <20050921202555.138F03BF12@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050921202555.138F03BF12@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 07:40:01 +0000 (UTC) At 21:25 21/09/05, you wrote: >i found this quite interesting in several ways... well worth the >71MB download. thankyou >also, the rest of the UBU Web site has a lot of great stuff worth >checking out. something of an understatement >-jb "I am sitting in a room" http://www.ubu.com/sound/lucier.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 22 08:27:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29DAB3BF0B; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:27:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <6571.195.188.213.34.1127377660.squirrel@195.188.213.34> In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050921101353.053ca698@loopers-delight.com> References: <002f01c5be1f$cb8853e0$e9622052@rob> <6.1.2.0.2.20050921101353.053ca698@loopers-delight.com> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 09:27:40 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: EDP Sync to Yamaha RM1x From: dayshift@blueyonder.co.uk To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Sep 2005 08:28:29.0139 (UTC) FILETIME=[9C0DAA30:01C5BF4F] Resent-Message-ID: <3FpHW.A.VXE.9rmMDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:27:42 +0000 (UTC) Hi Kim > It may be really useful if you provide us with all the parameter settings > on the Echoplex and the configuration of the RM1x as well. also, is the > Echoplex LoopIII or LoopIV, how is everything connected, what sequence of > actions you do, what you see on the display, etc. It is really difficult > and time consuming to help debug a problem like this if we don't get all > the details! Ok. Because it wasn't working I did a complete system reset on both the edp and the rm1x. Midi connection was, 'out' of rm1x to 'in' of edp. I changed the RM1x parameters so it would change pattern after a bar rather than 1/16 and reloaded a couple of my own user pattern sets. I turned off midi output on channel 8. On the EDP I changed the following - Midi Channel to '8' Sync to 'In' Quantize to 'loop' Switchquant to 'loop' Feedback full Think that's everything. Doing it from memory as at work. Like I said before, one of the preset pattern sets ('Epic Hse' I think...the one that sounds like Faithless anyway) that I picked at random to test it worked perfectly. My user patterns and a number of the other presets I found didn't work. I would press start on the sequencer and over time would watch the clock indicator on the edp slowly drift out of time. V strange. To check the EDP I tried syncing it to cubase and other drum machines and it worked perfectly, it's just the RM1x that's the problem. I've ordered the newer os eprom (v1.3) from Yamaha which I'll be refunded for if I send the old one back to them so hopefully this will sort it. I really can't think of any other reason why Claude's should work and mine wouldn't (apart from difference in os), unless of course mine is broken in some way. Thanks for the response and any ideas appreciated. Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 22 08:53:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B6F53BF0B; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:53:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <3002.195.188.213.34.1127379192.squirrel@195.188.213.34> In-Reply-To: <003b01c5bee9$3e5480f0$0301a8c0@mlimli> References: <002f01c5be1f$cb8853e0$e9622052@rob> <003b01c5bee9$3e5480f0$0301a8c0@mlimli> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 09:53:12 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: EDP Sync to Yamaha RM1x From: dayshift@blueyonder.co.uk To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Sep 2005 08:54:00.0858 (UTC) FILETIME=[2D076FA0:01C5BF53] Resent-Message-ID: <4HRL6B.A.OMF.6DnMDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:53:14 +0000 (UTC) Hi Claude > isnt there any track spitting notes to the edp that could do some weird > direct midi functions > (it is worth a try to mute any rm1x output except clock and realtime > messages to see if the edp is overdriven by midi messages Yep, tried all that. Tried turning off all midi channel outs/leaving them on/turning just the one off that the edp was set to. Didn't make any difference. > do you have a midi analysis app that you could set to read the rm1x output No I haven't but I'm sure I can get one. I'm sure there's an app called midiyoke or something that tests midi. I'll try and get a copy and test it out. Like I said before though, all my other equipment syncs perfectly to the Rm1x. > as Kim suggested you really need to describe your set up, presets, > cabling, > as precisely as possible if you want us to help Plse see other mail. > I for sure am 100 % sure that an EDP can sync fine with a rm1x as master > (played with it for 4 years for beta testing the edp and more than 20 > concerts ) we just need to find out whats wrong with your setup Thanks Claude. Yeah, it's knowing yours works which is why I'm persevering with mine. Cheers Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 22 09:01:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0C183BEF9; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 09:01:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <044301c5bf54$32e98510$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: Subject: Repeater OS2 Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:01:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0440_01C5BF64.F65CF850" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 09:01:25 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0440_01C5BF64.F65CF850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi loopers,=20 yesterday I got this e.mail from the repeater -users group reported from = the electrix forum I think there are a lot of people interested in this, and I'm curious to = know how much of the wishlist, electrix will bring in the new OS2. Hi M-, There is a bit of good news, the new OS2 will be ready in the next=20 week or two and we're working on a plan to make it available for a small=20 cocost to exiting Repeater users which will make your old version work like a=20 new one. Hope that helps, John fabio anile http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ --------------------------------------------------- Nota di riservatezza : Il presente messaggio, corredato dei relativi = allegati, contiene informazioni da considerarsi strettamente riservate, = ed =E8 destinato esclusivamente al destinatario sopra indicato, il quale = =E8 l'unico autorizzato ad usarlo, copiarlo e, sotto la propria = responsabilit=E0, diffonderlo. Chiunque ricevesse questo messaggio per = errore o comunque lo leggesse senza esserne legittimato =E8 avvertito = che trattenerlo, copiarlo, divulgarlo, distribuirlo a persone diverse = dal destinatario =E8 severamente proibito, ed =E8 pregato di rinviarlo = immediatamente al mittente distruggendone l'originale. 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------=_NextPart_000_0440_01C5BF64.F65CF850-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 22 12:51:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7782F3BEF9; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:51:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Oyq9wy2beSrCFICMYLdbuufIKJxmwzMrv2LcVL+atwvoJPqaGY9XtdgDyCPJUbPFM1QbEW2PXsZjgUzNSf4mklBjcdMjxjFS4Zqr6GnMDGjpSbT0l5mc8yOw82uwOgziTi/Wwi7HRIY1XDO1frpcDPaMFr/izLwL2iuiHcJmhXM= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 05:51:03 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater OS2 In-Reply-To: <044301c5bf54$32e98510$040a0a0a@fabio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <044301c5bf54$32e98510$040a0a0a@fabio> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 12:51:05 +0000 (UTC) As long as they're not using the same forecasting group for the software that they have been for the hardware availability, they should be fine... On 9/22/05, Fabio Anile wrote: > > Hi loopers, > yesterday I got this e.mail from the repeater -users group reported from = the > electrix forum > I think there are a lot of people interested in this, and I'm curious to > know how much > of the wishlist, electrix will bring in the new OS2. > > Hi M-, > There is a bit of good news, the new OS2 will be ready in the next > week or > two and we're working on a plan to make it available for a small > cocost to > exiting Repeater users which will make your old version work like a > new one. > > Hope that helps, > John > > > fabio anile > http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > Nota di riservatezza : Il presente messaggio, corredato dei relativi > allegati, contiene informazioni da considerarsi strettamente riservate, e= d =E8 > destinato esclusivamente al destinatario sopra indicato, il quale =E8 l'u= nico > autorizzato ad usarlo, copiarlo e, sotto la propria responsabilit=E0, > diffonderlo. Chiunque ricevesse questo messaggio per errore o comunque lo > leggesse senza esserne legittimato =E8 avvertito che trattenerlo, copiarl= o, > divulgarlo, distribuirlo a persone diverse dal destinatario =E8 severamen= te > proibito, ed =E8 pregato di rinviarlo immediatamente al mittente > distruggendone l'originale. Grazie. > > > Confidentiality Notice : This message, together with its annexes, contain= s > information to be deemed strictly confidential and is destined only to th= e > addressee(s) identified above who only may use, copy and, under his/their > responsibility, further disseminate it. If anyone received this message b= y > mistake or reads it without entitlement is forewarned that keeping, copyi= ng, > disseminating or distributing this message to persons other than the > addressee(s) is strictly forbidden and is asked to transmit it immediatel= y > to the sender and to erase the original message received. Thank you. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 22 13:58:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B7D83BF0C; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:58:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <30325873.1127397536858.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 09:58:56 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Zoom FP-01 okay for VF-1 and mxp-500? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:58:58 +0000 (UTC) Here's a boring gear question: Although my cheap plastic Zoom FP-01 expression pedal has an odd feel to it, it has been extremely reliable and is, most importantly, NICE AND LIGHT, something I cannot say for my Boss expression pedal. I wanna keep my rack under 30 pounds, and my 4-pound RE-10 isn't going to help. Do you guys know of any reason why my FP-01 wouldn't work with my Boss VF-01 or my MPX-500? It works okay with my Vortex, so I do not think it would blow up my other rackmount devices, but I wanna make sure. And if it IS safe, does anyone have an extra FP-01 they wanna sell? Or is there a nice cheap generic equivalent available out there? (I think I remember someone mentioning a company that makes nice cost-effective generic footswitches and whatnot, but I cannot remember the name.) P.S.--I may wanna sell my RE-10 if anyone's "innerested." With Gratitude, Tim Mungenast www.myspace.com/timmungenast From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 22 14:07:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91C153BF16; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:07:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <26405549.1127398060506.JavaMail.root@elwamui-mouette.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 10:07:40 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: mungenast@earthlink.net Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: report fraudmails like this! Re: Please reach me asap. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <2c47HB.A.6IB.tqrMDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:07:42 +0000 (UTC) I get AT LEAST 10 fraudmails like this, every single day. I always send them to my ISP's spambuster address and the FTC spam line. For Really Awful ones, where there's skanky content or they start with "Dearest in Christ," I go so far as to obtain th emessage source and enclose it before I fwd the fraudmail to The Authorities, so that they may have an easier time tracking down the #*#*ers. Naive, yes, butit makes me feel like I'm striking a blow for what he Internet was SUPPOSED to be. Sonic Love, Tim Mungenast -----Original Message----- From: david sterling Sent: Sep 21, 2005 10:46 PM To: Paul Stanley , jgulesq22@gmail.com Cc: r.perez@atlanticphilanthropies.org, looper@venetowest.com, vsyevolod@yahoo.com, sambacomet@hotmail.com, kungha@earthlink.net, evanpeewee@yahoo.com, scott@dreamstate.to, sean.loop@creepingfog.com, scafferata@sasktel.net, onelonecrow@earthlink.net, sony@real.com, stanitarium@earthlink.net, sstemmler@above-the-fold.com, spgoodman@earthlight.net, steve@steve-lawson.co.uk, erwill@suitandtieguy.com, webmaster@cavestudio.com, precise75@hotmail.com, psychle62@yahoo.com, mungenast@earthlink.net, todd@toddreynolds.com, tohall@rcn.com, tcombs@sep.com, tom.ritchford@gmail.com, bigtony@softhome.net, thelgere@online.no, travishartnett@gmail.com, wavecomputer360@gmx.de, will-spicher@insightbb.com, wklemmer1@yahoo.com, billwalker@baymoon.com, LWordsman@pirnie.com, woz@phaesler.org, cello@zoekeating.comzjz, meoshimo@gmail.com, notyourbusiness_nasran@gmail.com, brosnan.jason@gmail.com, mj.gumsley@gmail.com, gordongek@gmail.com, Wang.king@ntlworld.com, mr_dong@asiamail.com, barristerjosea Subject: Re: Please reach me asap. President Bush loves all of you. On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:06:10 -0400 Paul Stanley wrote: >This is a scam. Don't reply to this idiot. check the CC to see how many >people he sent this to. > >Total scam- don't send him one dime. > >On 9/19/05, Johan Gulfman wrote: >> >> Goodday. >> >> Please,I want to introduce myself and this business >> opportunity to you. My name is Johan Gulfman Esq. I >> wish to know if we can work together.I would like you >> to stand as the next of kin to my deceased client who >> made some substantial deposits with a financial house. >> >> He died without any registered next of kin and as such >> the funds now have an open beneficiary mandate. >> Moreover it appears you are related to him by >> the virtue of your names. If you are interested you do >> let me know so that I can give you comprehensive >> details on what we are to do. I urgently hope to get >> your response as soon as possible.please reach me with >> my private email address(j_gulfmanesq@sify.com) >> >> Best regards, >> >> Johan Gulfman Esq. >> >> _________________________________________________________________________ Live, laugh, and chat with friends about your favorite cars. at The World's Largest Auto Enthusiast Site http://www.roadfly.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 22 17:13:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59AF53BF16; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 17:13:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,138,1125874800"; d="scan'208"; a="24646899:sNHT122607058" Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050922170501.03269110@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 18:12:46 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:Zoom FP-01 okay for VF-1 and mxp-500? In-Reply-To: <20050922140742.200403BF20@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050922140742.200403BF20@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 17:13:22 +0000 (UTC) At 15:07 22/09/05, you wrote: >Do you guys know of any reason why my FP-01 wouldn't work with my >Boss VF-01 or my MPX-500? It works okay with my Vortex, so I do not >think it would blow up my other rackmount devices, but I wanna make sure. erm, isn't the FP01 a switch, the pedal is FP02 I have the FP02, it works the Vortex, but it's not linear so it doesn't have an even response. (check with your vortex by getting it to display 1-64 when the pedal is used, for a correctly functioning pedal 32 should be in the middle) The FP02 has non-standard wiring, and isn't a standard expression pedal. 100k log pot with wiper connected to ring of a "stereo" 1/4in jack As it kind of works with the Vortex, it would, I guess, kind of work with the MPX-500. Might also "sort of work" with the Roland stuff, which I think will expect a standard expression pedal . 25kOhm linear. 1/4 stereo jack, tip connects to wiper of pot. No guarantees that the FP02 won't damage your gear, due to it's unconventional wiring. (but I would expect the chances of that are v.low) hope that helps, ..of course, if Zoom also make an FP-01 which is a standard expression pedal then this won't help at all. andy butler www.andybutler.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 22 18:40:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6C663BF15; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 18:40:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: fbc8020aaad45a85aa6b9af6e32dedac Received-SPF: none (enugu.terra.com.br: 200.176.10.9 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of grob.org) client-ip=200.176.10.9; envelope-from=matthias@grob.org; helo=[10.1.1.6]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00a101c58d5b$b7280200$af704a18@carolina.rr.com> References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0118A627@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> <00a101c58d5b$b7280200$af704a18@carolina.rr.com> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:35:49 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: zen and the fluent music Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <36E3tC.A.rJG.3qvMDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 18:40:55 +0000 (UTC) >Same here....me talk too much. hm, not this time, Kris :-) I admit that, although I like your contributions, I sometimes gave up when looking at the size... sad... sad anyway that I rarely can folow the list... >By the way, Matthias, thanks for the suggestion about using Feedback >more. I tried that it is produced some suprising results. It forced me >to keep things fresh...normally it is easy to get lazy and start >admiring your own loops, noodling around with things over them, >etc....but in this case, all of a sudden your loops are disappearing >before you ears and you have to keep creating more stuff! Keeps you on >your toes! yes! I try to imagine sometimes how my music would have developed if I had started with a tool that could loop forever. but then again, I started with the idea to create an ever changing sound. freezing delays existed and never seemed interesting to me... so how did your FB experiences go? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 22 18:45:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD9033BF17; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 18:45:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jC0N4TG5H1kNsHGXrdT1cL4SwXZq++kO7GyJue+EBTmQDHxYGHPuxi8+R47292iz8qS8qCSS/pNyH39JfcitkITKykAohO+s7qofmlC5BZCvk4zXs4X1K5j3TFXzuqvH2VRSPiy1KsfNcoxS9A81yGH5Awxw5MSQK9/NmdVBiy8= ; Message-ID: <20050922184500.45124.qmail@web50815.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 11:44:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Arabian HorseAssoc Subject: OT: Fender Cyber Deluxe Amp For Sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1353059331-1127414699=:44752" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <3xvlv.A.QXG.uuvMDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 18:45:02 +0000 (UTC) --0-1353059331-1127414699=:44752 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, all: Before I place my amp on eBay, I thought I'd post it here. The amp is in absolute like-new condition and includes all the accessories/manual/power cord that came with it originally - as well as the box. I paid $700 for it less than 5 months ago. Make me an offer if interested. Thanks. Regards, P. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1353059331-1127414699=:44752 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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Before I place my amp on eBay, I thought I'd post it here. The amp is in absolute like-new condition and includes all the accessories/manual/power cord that came with it originally - as well as the box.
 
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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1353059331-1127414699=:44752-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 22 20:12:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72B6D3BF21; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:12:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=mMMBjQRWa5TJTamiVRspnX3ssKYYL1DBIjtMYSgr8Mo3jDYwEfCiRHF9SMWIDpjR0b5g+19vuw6yjFupdAxdnQo3QdmR8mJM4/464WTM8J3FrfJf5SJ4KbaF1sOOkqc3ttMqzfiS4EtY4Hr4D8jXpjxwzYABwsZQvt56eg6zyog= Message-ID: <588ce11d05092213123bbaaf6c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:12:50 -0700 From: Art Simon Reply-To: Art Simon To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Anybody have PSP 608? Any impressions? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:12:52 +0000 (UTC) I just got PSP84, the lexicon 42 and Nitro a couple of days ago, and now they have released this: http://www.pspaudioware.com/indexen.html?url=3Dhttp://www.pspaudioware.com/= plugins/608md.html PSP 608 MD is perhaps the most fully featured delay plug-in available on the market (VST, AudioUnit, RTAS and HTDM for Mac OSX and VST, DirectX and RTAS format for PC). We have striven to offer you a creative tool that is not only functional, but inspiring. Each tap has selectable feedback, stereo image and position, delay time, multimode filter, modulation, drive/tape saturation, and reverb. Moreover, the feedback and drive can be placed at the beginning or end of the signal chain for even more sound design options! The modulation section consists of both an LFO and Envelope follower, and the tape saturation algorithm is taken from our renowned mastering processors. And of course all this can be done at any bit depth and sample rate up to 24-bit, 192kHz, and be fully automated via MIDI and any host sequencer. Features: * Up to 8 seconds of delay time per channel * Continuous control over the delay time in milliseconds and/or chosen quantize note * Two operation modes: Multidelay, in which each tap has its own feedback buffer; and Multitap, in which the Master Feedback operates on one (user selectable) tap * Each tap included independent adjustment of the following: gain, stereo field width and balance, delay time, filtering, modulation, saturation simulation and reverberation * Each tap can choose between multiple quadruple biquadratic filter types, including: Low Pass, Band Pass, High Pass, PEAK filter and four Shelf filters * Modulation section (LFO and envelope follower) offer adjustable modulation depth of =B1 3 octaves, and can be selected for filter cutoff * Tape saturation simulation with adjustable gain based on the algorithm used in our mastering processors * Filtering module in feedback includes LP, BP, HP filter (either State Variable Filter or Biquad) with adjustable cutoff and resonance * Vintage reverberation module for faithful simulation of spring and plate reverbs * Support for sample rates of up to 192kHz * Host and MIDI automation of all processing -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 23 00:52:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA25B3BF17; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 00:52:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=UND52WikUfjHuOSBRr9yqTGc2jZZgSsAuFnrKVkzx+jRAjSP1zqY5aKyxk0M+99P; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22005952305648740@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:Zoom FP-01 okay for VF-1 and mxp-500? Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:56:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940ee050698ce7c63994465d0480003da4c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.145.161 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 00:52:50 +0000 (UTC) Yes, Andy, I meant FP-02, and yeah, I see your point about its kind-sorta suitability. Thanks for your thoughts. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: a k butler > To: > Date: 9/22/2005 1:13:22 PM > Subject: Re:Zoom FP-01 okay for VF-1 and mxp-500? > > At 15:07 22/09/05, you wrote: > >Do you guys know of any reason why my FP-01 wouldn't work with my > >Boss VF-01 or my MPX-500? It works okay with my Vortex, so I do not > >think it would blow up my other rackmount devices, but I wanna make sure. > > erm, isn't the FP01 a switch, > the pedal is FP02 > > I have the FP02, it works the Vortex, but it's not linear so > it doesn't have an even response. > (check with your vortex by getting it to display 1-64 when the pedal > is used, for a correctly functioning pedal 32 should be in the middle) > > The FP02 has non-standard wiring, and isn't a standard expression pedal. > 100k log pot with wiper connected to ring of a "stereo" 1/4in jack > > As it kind of works with the Vortex, it would, I guess, kind of work > with the MPX-500. > > Might also "sort of work" with the Roland stuff, which I think will > expect a standard > expression pedal . 25kOhm linear. 1/4 stereo jack, tip connects to > wiper of pot. > > No guarantees that the FP02 won't damage your gear, due to it's > unconventional wiring. > (but I would expect the chances of that are v.low) > > hope that helps, > ..of course, if Zoom also make an FP-01 which is a standard expression pedal > then this won't help at all. > > andy butler > www.andybutler.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 23 09:12:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E4B93BF13; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 09:12:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <004b01c5c01e$de721ee0$35a1fe91@inap> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: Subject: Sony RPS D-7 Delay Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:11:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0047_01C5C02F.9CBDAF80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 09:12:17 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C5C02F.9CBDAF80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, if anyone has one of these units for sale, please let me know. Thanks, Stephen. "Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this planet, you=B4re a = plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith) "Hoellenengel", new album by Stephen Parsick. Street date: October 01, = 2005. Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com [WTB]: "England=B4s Hidden Reverse" by David Keenan (Coil, Current93, = Nurse With Wound, David Tibet). ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C5C02F.9CBDAF80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,
 
if anyone has one of these units for sale, = please let me=20 know.
 
Thanks,
 
Stephen.
 
 
"Human beings are a disease, the cancer of this = planet,=20 you=B4re a plague. And we are the cure." (Agent Smith)
 
"Hoellenengel", new album by Stephen Parsick. = Street date:=20 October 01, 2005.
 
Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com
 

[WTB]: "England=B4s Hidden Reverse" by David = Keenan=20 (Coil, Current93, Nurse With Wound, David Tibet).
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C5C02F.9CBDAF80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 23 19:35:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C03613BEF7; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:35:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pxJku/fgUlQJHZIqUtTaHla1dz0iWIcHq5+CJzNXLjyaQPLCpqCfhMRW7PdKO9T8StkFxzAJ++uSo4VcjfosMStRNeSDb62/xnF+OzLPaE2v4U+AWX8e1tV3e3UtiQ+ZOd/P5COfZjJ0wv5XWADBWdQP3mg615wVg5nF/bb6t9o= ; Message-ID: <20050923193556.87876.qmail@web30511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 12:35:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Zoë Keating's 'one cello x 16 : natoma' To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004b01c5c01e$de721ee0$35a1fe91@inap> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:35:58 +0000 (UTC) Okay, anyone who enjoys 1)looping, 2)cello and/or 3)just darned good music should definitely own this CD. You can get one for your very own at -t- __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 23 21:50:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55DEF3BEF8; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:50:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 17:54:57 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_=5BLOOP=5D_Zo=EB_Keating's_'one_cello_x?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_16_=3A_natoma'?= In-Reply-To: <20050923193556.87876.qmail@web30511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20050923193556.87876.qmail@web30511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:50:34 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, 23 Sep 2005, Tim Nelson wrote: > Okay, anyone who enjoys 1)looping, 2)cello and/or > 3)just darned good music should definitely own this > CD. > > You can get one for your very own at > I picked up a copy of this album last Sunday night when I saw Rasputina play. Excellent. Strongly recommended. best, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 23 22:13:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 749213BF02; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:13:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: EDP Output - Balaced or Unbalanced? Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:12:50 -0600 Message-ID: <006f01c5c08b$f2e813d0$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0070_01C5C059.A84DA3D0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 167, in=465, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:13:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C5C059.A84DA3D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone know if the EDPs output is balanced or unbalanced? I'm just wondering if it will make a difference to use my 1/4 balanced to XLR patch cables to the board from the EDPs. K- ------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C5C059.A84DA3D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable EDP Output - Balaced or Unbalanced?

Anyone know if the EDPs output is = balanced or unbalanced? I'm just wondering if it will make a difference = to use my 1/4 balanced to XLR patch cables to the board from the = EDPs.

K-

------=_NextPart_000_0070_01C5C059.A84DA3D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 23 22:14:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25A613BF02; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:14:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=a9B/4L3NtgjT5FDElqjZMDj89uEPSMqGsWItygD5OscjZr3O8JtamK94CzKiY9rSe2M9ViqP/LdHarY0sBdhLodSVSCYUeIAkLJHVA+4vUVbpm/KBco3XBhKbmYgza/7j4VXBYVBDdaV3LjNxkOMHWd/SRnyA7J4UPmPhbMVf2E= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 15:14:40 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Output - Balaced or Unbalanced? In-Reply-To: <006f01c5c08b$f2e813d0$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <006f01c5c08b$f2e813d0$6801a8c0@khartung> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:14:43 +0000 (UTC) It's unbalanced. TH On 9/23/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > > > Anyone know if the EDPs output is balanced or unbalanced? I'm just wonder= ing > if it will make a difference to use my 1/4 balanced to XLR patch cables t= o > the board from the EDPs. > > K- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 23 22:28:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35C293BF0C; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:28:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: zen and the fluent music Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:28:01 -0600 Message-ID: <007501c5c08e$122c4f70$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 167, in=452, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:28:13 +0000 (UTC) Well, I'll try to be more concise in my LD correpondences in the future. The problem is that there is just too much crap crammed in my brain and I happen to type about 80 words per minute. Those two things make for a lot of used up bandwidth!! My FB experience is on hold for now. Sure, I got it configured fine to work with my EDPs, but I still can't get past its size, plus I'm not really using the features that you can access on via MIDI and not the EDP controller. For instance, if I want to have 6 separate loops, I'll just use the Next Loop button on the controller to scroll through them, rather than selecting that loop immediately via MIDI. I'm using my Insert function on my EDP controller to trigger reverse on the EDPs, but I guess it would be nice to use it for the subsitute function with some quantizing. But my music is typically far too organic, free flowing, and non-meter like to really benefit from quantizing. Now that I think about it, I don't use quantize for anything when I loop. I like to be responsible for my own timing. :) The half speed function is cool, which you can only access via MIDI, but I wouldn't really use that much either. Right now I'm more interested in getting all I can get with the functionality accessible with the EDP controller. I don't want to complicate things any more. I got the FB up and running with Mobius too, but Mobius and my computer are just not getting along. I get hangs and glitches, etc...and I don't have time to run that trace program for Jeff to see what the issue is. I still like the idea of a software standalone or VST looping program that can what an EDP does, but I don't have the patience to screw with technical issues and bugs. It detracts me from the artistic component of my music. If I could find a proram that just worked great right from the start, and I didn't have to be a rocket scientist to configure or troubleshoot it, I'd be a happy camper. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 11:36 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: zen and the fluent music >Same here....me talk too much. hm, not this time, Kris :-) I admit that, although I like your contributions, I sometimes gave up when looking at the size... sad... sad anyway that I rarely can folow the list... >By the way, Matthias, thanks for the suggestion about using Feedback >more. I tried that it is produced some suprising results. It forced me >to keep things fresh...normally it is easy to get lazy and start >admiring your own loops, noodling around with things over them, >etc....but in this case, all of a sudden your loops are disappearing >before you ears and you have to keep creating more stuff! Keeps you on >your toes! yes! I try to imagine sometimes how my music would have developed if I had started with a tool that could loop forever. but then again, I started with the idea to create an ever changing sound. freezing delays existed and never seemed interesting to me... so how did your FB experiences go? -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 23 22:29:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D11D3BF05; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:29:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: EDP Output - Balaced or Unbalanced? Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:29:15 -0600 Message-ID: <007801c5c08e$3e059750$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 168, in=436, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:29:26 +0000 (UTC) Well, that settles it...no use in hooking up an XLR cable to an unblanced output. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 4:15 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Output - Balaced or Unbalanced? It's unbalanced. TH On 9/23/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > > > Anyone know if the EDPs output is balanced or unbalanced? I'm just > wondering if it will make a difference to use my 1/4 balanced to XLR > patch cables to the board from the EDPs. > > K- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 24 02:39:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 585F73BEE8; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 02:39:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 24 Sep 2005 02:39:49 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:39:49 -0500 Subject: Noisy/hissy EDP (revisited) X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050924023949.3CA9CE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 02:39:53 +0000 (UTC) Hey there- I know this was a source of discussion on the list some time ago, but I've = spent a couple hours searching/reading in the archive and I can't=20 find anything that seems to have resolved this problem. I'm using the crea= m-colored Oberheim EDPs with Loop III, 5.0. The problem: My loop is full of hiss. I tap record once. I tap it a second time to end= the loop and there is a lot of hiss.=20=20 This occurs even with nothing plugged into the EDP inputs This occurs even with input knob set to zero. With feedback set to zero, the hiss does not die away, but stays steady. This does not seems like an "improper gain staging" issue. One of my EDPs = does this and the other does not. With both EDPs set=20 identically, one is super hissy, one is only mildly (and acceptably) hissy.= (eg: A) With all knobs at 100% and no inputs into the EDPs, or B)=20 input=3D Zero, output =3D any audible setting, mix and feedback =3D 100% an= d no inputs into EDPs.) The only visible difference between the two EDPs is that the hissy unit has= a power switch with just a white dot on it, while the other=20 actually says "on/off". Could one of these be from a different manufacturi= ng run in which there were different (noisier) parts used? Is this=20 a problem that can be addressed by replacing certain parts? Anybody else had this experience and found a way to address it? Thanks Joe Rut --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 24 04:26:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB98B3BEE8; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 04:26:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: Muse Receptor - Gear addict Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:26:00 -0600 Message-ID: <007e01c5c0c0$14885520$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007F_01C5C08D.C9EDE520" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 167, in=425, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <2As7mD.A.FMD.kVNNDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 04:26:12 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01C5C08D.C9EDE520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone using the Muse Receptor? I'm reading about it now in Sweetwater's catalogue.looks like a feakin' amazing alternative to running VST effects on a laptop. This thing can run 57 VST effects at the same time, can hook up to your PC via ethernet, two spaces, Linux based OS, 24 bit/96kHz..for $1399. Plus it has MIDI in/out, which I assume means you can switch from one VST effect patch to anther with a midi controller. Anyone using one of these? Good grief, what do I have to sell in my closet now to get one of these things. :) Kris (gear addict) ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01C5C08D.C9EDE520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Muse Receptor - Gear addict

Anyone using the Muse Receptor? I'm = reading about it now in Sweetwater's catalogue…looks like a = feakin' amazing alternative to running VST effects on a laptop. This = thing can run 57 VST effects at the same time, can hook up to your PC = via ethernet, two spaces, Linux based OS, 24 bit/96kHz….for = $1399.   Plus it has MIDI in/out, which I assume means you can = switch from one VST effect patch to anther with a midi controller. = Anyone using one of these?  Good grief, what do I have to sell in = my closet now to get one of these things… :)

Kris (gear addict)

------=_NextPart_000_007F_01C5C08D.C9EDE520-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 24 08:02:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2ED23BEDF; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 08:02:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #3338868 Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:01:17 +0200 From: numbernine@gmx.net X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) Reply-To: LD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1043843796.20050924100117@gmx.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-15?B?TfZiaXVzIGdsaXRjaGVzLCBtdXNlIHJlY2VwdG9y?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 08:02:22 +0000 (UTC) Kris> Kris> I got the FB up and running with Mobius too, but Mobius and my computer Kris> are just not getting along. I get hangs and glitches, etc...and I don't Kris> have time to run that trace program for Jeff to see what the issue is. The thing that helped for me was just to turn tracing off. (in mobius.xml, set debuglevel to 1 or 0). Kris> Plus it has MIDI in/out, which I assume means you can switch Kris> from one VST effect patch to anther with a midi controller. that's what it is meant for. but from the editing surface I assume it is not possible to use vsts with more then 2 inputs or to have a rather customized signal routing between different vsts. For this reason, eg. möbius won't run easily on the receptor. Anybody knows more about it? Matthias Loibner From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 24 10:05:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23C143BEDB; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:05:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6.2J rev 2.1 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 19:05:27 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: live streaming now from Kobe,Japan Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:05:43 +0000 (UTC) Hi, We are live streaming our gig from Kobe Japan now. http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east/broadcast/ Mr.Natural (from USA) I'm Sore (from UK / ex PaleSaints) Kazuya Ishigami (JP) Sunao Inami (JP) thanks Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 24 10:21:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A185C3BF02; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:21:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8DCCD881-027C-40F2-B1AD-20C12C883ED6@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: live streaming now from Kobe,Japan Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 12:21:32 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: <3T0-o.A.UZF.wiSNDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:21:36 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 24, 2005, at 12:05, Sunao Inami wrote: > Hi, > > We are live streaming our gig from Kobe Japan now. > > http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east/broadcast/ > > Mr.Natural (from USA) > I'm Sore (from UK / ex PaleSaints) > Kazuya Ishigami (JP) > Sunao Inami (JP) > > thanks > > Sunao Inami > http://www.cavestudio.com Thanks for the hint - we can watch it right now from Sweden! Seems as a soundcheck or intermission is happening right now. An empty stage with lots of gear and people talking in Japanese and US English. As a funny matter of fact we'll soon be leaving the computers for a couple of hours to watch a Japanese ten man Kendo team bust the shit out of ten Swedish kendo fighters. Or the other way around... Hope we'll get back to catch some music being played :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 24 10:36:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA1DE3BF01; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:36:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001f01c5c0f3$e0705010$0207a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: live streaming now from Kobe,Japan Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 11:36:50 +0100 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:36:01 +0000 (UTC) Cool! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sunao Inami" To: Sent: Saturday, 24 September, 2005 11:05 AM Subject: live streaming now from Kobe,Japan > Hi, > > We are live streaming our gig from Kobe Japan now. > > http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east/broadcast/ > > Mr.Natural (from USA) > I'm Sore (from UK / ex PaleSaints) > Kazuya Ishigami (JP) > Sunao Inami (JP) > > thanks > > Sunao Inami > http://www.cavestudio.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 24 10:39:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38B4B3BF0C; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:39:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <001f01c5c0f3$e0705010$0207a8c0@eluk1> References: <001f01c5c0f3$e0705010$0207a8c0@eluk1> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <765E9130-9DE5-46B9-92CF-39B2E0CEFB28@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: live streaming now from Kobe,Japan Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 12:39:47 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:39:51 +0000 (UTC) Watching Sunao play right now! Super cool!! =)) per On Sep 24, 2005, at 12:36, Stephen Goodman wrote: > Cool! > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sunao Inami" > > To: > Sent: Saturday, 24 September, 2005 11:05 AM > Subject: live streaming now from Kobe,Japan > > > >> Hi, >> We are live streaming our gig from Kobe Japan now. >> http://www.cavestudio.org/cue/live_from_far_east/broadcast/ >> Mr.Natural (from USA) >> I'm Sore (from UK / ex PaleSaints) >> Kazuya Ishigami (JP) >> Sunao Inami (JP) >> thanks >> Sunao Inami >> http://www.cavestudio.com >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 24 10:40:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AEE83BF15; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:40:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43352D10.7090704@biink.com> Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 06:40:16 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: live streaming now from Kobe,Japan References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:40:10 +0000 (UTC) I caught a bit of it, then RA hung up and now there's too many users. But very cool! -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 24 13:30:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6AAD23BF1A; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 13:30:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.1.0 From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: Steve Gadd (forward from E-mail digest for loop.pool) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:29:48 +0200 Message-ID: <00fc01c5c10c$0c6fa9a0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 13:30:10 +0000 (UTC) I'd love to attend this... 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 24 13:32:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3295F3BF1B; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 13:32:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: EDP interface modes Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:32:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcXBDFk5X4f2ZLyEShuIzq6VbePEPg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:24:34 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.125.189 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <20050924133249.92EF43BF0C@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6gxUc.A.YwC.CWVNDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 13:32:51 +0000 (UTC) I never played with the 'new' interface modes and now that I wanted to take a closer look at them, they don't work. Do I have an old software version or is my feedback expression pedal faulty? on booting, the EDP says LOOP4 and 6.0b (I think). The Loop/Delay modes available are: LOP Out del Inp EXP rpl Michael Peters www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 24 14:24:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B63483BF21; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 14:24:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <20050924133249.92EF43BF0C@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050924133249.92EF43BF0C@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: EDP interface modes Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 16:24:25 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 14:24:29 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 24, 2005, at 15:32, Michael Peters wrote: > I never played with the 'new' interface modes and now that I wanted > to take > a closer look at them, they don't work. Do I have an old software > version or > is my feedback expression pedal faulty? on booting, the EDP says > LOOP4 and > 6.0b (I think). Wow, that's modern! My LOO4 says "1.1" while booting. > The Loop/Delay modes available are: LOP Out del Inp EXP rpl Mine also have the "Stu" mode. ---> BUT... if I put a pedal (or in my case just a plug, since I'm using a midi controller) into the rear pedal jack I get: Stu, Out, IN, rPL, FLi, LOP, dEL and EXP mode. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 24 15:50:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CB483BF2D; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:50:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:50:28 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?M=F6bius_glitches?= In-reply-to: <1043843796.20050924100117@gmx.net> To: LD Message-id: <433575C4.70703@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <1043843796.20050924100117@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:50:40 +0000 (UTC) numbernine@gmx.net wrote: > Kris> > Kris> I got the FB up and running with Mobius too, but Mobius and my computer > Kris> are just not getting along. I get hangs and glitches, etc...and I don't > Kris> have time to run that trace program for Jeff to see what the issue is. > > The thing that helped for me was just to turn tracing off. (in > mobius.xml, set debuglevel to 1 or 0). Besides leaving trace on, the usual reason for glitches is overdubbing a large number of layers which increases demands on the CPU. What exactly "large" is depends on the speed of the computer and the other plugins you have running. I get around 50 layers before glitching, but if you're running 29 other power hungry plugins that number may be much lower. This will be fixed when support for Interface Modes is released. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 24 15:55:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62BAB3BF34; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:55:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:55:59 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Muse Receptor In-reply-to: <1043843796.20050924100117@gmx.net> To: LD Message-id: <4335770F.9010603@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <1043843796.20050924100117@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:55:46 +0000 (UTC) numbernine@gmx.net wrote: > Kris> Plus it has MIDI in/out, which I assume means you can switch > Kris> from one VST effect patch to anther with a midi controller. > > that's what it is meant for. but from the editing surface I assume it > is not possible to use vsts with more then 2 inputs or to have a > rather customized signal routing between different vsts. For this > reason, eg. möbius won't run easily on the receptor. The receptor host is designed more like a mixing console than a free-form modular host like Bidule or energyXT. Each of the 16 "channels" can have as input either the output of a VSTi instrument, or an audio input. I think the audio input can be stereo, but it is unclear. There is only one set of stereo inputs on the back panel. Within each channel, the source may be sent through up to three plugin effects. The effects may be configured in any serial or parallel configuration, e.g. A/B/C parallel, A/B parallel B/C serial, A/B/C serial, etc. There are also two stereo effects busses shared by all channels. Each bus has another block of three serial or parallel plugins. The plugin routing looks reasonably flexible, but if you like to build complex layouts in a modular host, you may not be able to accomplish exactly the same thing. All internal busses are stereo, so it does not appear that you can make full use of plugins that have more than 2 ports. If you wanted to switch quickly between two radically different plugin configurations, you would probably configure each on a different channel, then solo the channel whose configuration you want to use. Claims that it can run 57 plugins should be treated with skepticism. This is the theoretical maximum number of plugins you can configure. But this is after all a PC, and if you try to run too many power hungry plugins at the same time, it will glitch just like any other PC. If you expect to be interacting with a plugin and you don't want to drag along an LCD screen to display the graphical UI, make sure the plugin can be controlled and monitored effectively using the small LCD and parameter knobs on the front panel. It runs many, but not all, Windows VST plugins. Since the OS is Linux it runs some sort of Windows emulator. This means that the plugin has to be a very "pure" VST, it cannot make use of any Windows features that fall outside the VST spec. Many of the free plugins you find on KVR will not run. Many of the big commercial plugin vendors have ported to the Receptor, but you may have to ask them for a "cross-grade" version. Never assume that your plugins will just run, explore the forums on www.plugorama.com to make sure. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 24 17:13:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 823C13BF33; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 17:13:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 13:13:30 -0400 From: Erland Subject: How does he do it? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <0192FCE0-7D09-4C6D-97C7-E2D270BDC5AF@acedsl.com> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 17:13:36 +0000 (UTC) Any idea how this guy Dosh is putting effects onto just the drums if he's using an Akai Headrush pedal? http://www.anticon.com/dosh.mov (At ca. 1:35) I think it's a Boss delay pedal? Does the Headrush have a metronome like the LoopStation, or is it a DL-4 type trigger? I can't seeing him stomping anywhere. Also according to the video it seems like the Headrush has multiple undos. I can't find any of these functions on Headrush info pages. ----------------------------------------------------- erland http://www.erlandonline.com http://www.myspace.com/erland From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 24 22:52:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E2583BF24; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 22:52:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 24 Sep 2005 22:52:23 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 17:52:23 -0500 Subject: EDP gain modification X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050924225223.E8A61E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 22:52:26 +0000 (UTC) Hey there- I just performed the gain modification from the FAQ on my two mid-90's EDPs= (replacing resistors R10 and R30). Oh yeah! Now *there's*=20 that tone I've been missing.=20=20 Prior to the mod, output was not hot enough to drive input stage of my Fend= er Hot Rod Deluxe (for example, if you bypassed the EDPs=20 entirely, the tone was great, but with EDPs in the circuit, even with outpu= t at 100%, there was an immediate drop in amp gain/crunch.=20=20 Trying to make up for this drop by turning up the EDP input gain resulted = in unwanted distortion in the looped signal.) With the mod, I can a/b the EDPs out of the circuit and hear no significant= difference in guitar/amp tone AND there's no unwanted=20 distortion in the looped signal. Hooray! No more "tone suck". One of them is still very noisy/hissy (compared to the other) when a loop i= s playing back. Any hints on what might be causing this? Joe Rut --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 24 23:13:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53AD53BF34; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 23:13:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=aGG/9lBmoUGo3AGhtrtOK16IT/Jea+XOENoaP2PjixwpK2aNOTXwBNTRTiRFPMpXgq8+he76qTGDsa+ZKcpxraQPUX8TajoVoYTWMFtv/0ckGnJ/dul9g5V9EYPXL5v6wQSYgBvfrwNyWVQjYMEhRrmIF5tI7slsMdiOa+a4za0= ; Message-ID: <20050924231353.67362.qmail@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 16:13:52 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Noisy/hissy EDP (revisited) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050924023949.3CA9CE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-716587604-1127603632=:67150" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 23:13:54 +0000 (UTC) --0-716587604-1127603632=:67150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hey Joe... is your gear close to video gear ie.televisions/computer monitors?my dl4 gets noise when im in half speed sometimes.if i get away from other electronics it is quiet.i wonder if it's forked up? good luck. d no tee. joe rut wrote: Hey there- I know this was a source of discussion on the list some time ago, but I've spent a couple hours searching/reading in the archive and I can't find anything that seems to have resolved this problem. I'm using the cream-colored Oberheim EDPs with Loop III, 5.0. The problem: My loop is full of hiss. I tap record once. I tap it a second time to end the loop and there is a lot of hiss. This occurs even with nothing plugged into the EDP inputs This occurs even with input knob set to zero. With feedback set to zero, the hiss does not die away, but stays steady. This does not seems like an "improper gain staging" issue. One of my EDPs does this and the other does not. With both EDPs set identically, one is super hissy, one is only mildly (and acceptably) hissy. (eg: A) With all knobs at 100% and no inputs into the EDPs, or B) input= Zero, output = any audible setting, mix and feedback = 100% and no inputs into EDPs.) The only visible difference between the two EDPs is that the hissy unit has a power switch with just a white dot on it, while the other actually says "on/off". Could one of these be from a different manufacturing run in which there were different (noisier) parts used? Is this a problem that can be addressed by replacing certain parts? Anybody else had this experience and found a way to address it? Thanks Joe Rut -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-716587604-1127603632=:67150 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
hey Joe...
is your gear close to video gear ie.televisions/computer monitors?my dl4 gets noise when im in half speed sometimes.if i get away from other electronics it is quiet.i wonder if it's forked up?
 good luck.      d no tee.
joe rut <joerut@lycos.com> wrote:
Hey there-

I know this was a source of discussion on the list some time ago, but I've spent a couple hours searching/reading in the archive and I can't
find anything that seems to have resolved this problem. I'm using the cream-colored Oberheim EDPs with Loop III, 5.0.

The problem:
My loop is full of hiss. I tap record once. I tap it a second time to end the loop and there is a lot of hiss.
This occurs even with nothing plugged into the EDP inputs
This occurs even with input knob set to zero.
With feedback set to zero, the hiss does not die away, but stays steady.

This does not seems like an "improper gain staging" issue. One of my EDPs does this and the other does not. With both EDPs set
identically, one is super hissy, one is only mildly (and acceptably) hissy. (eg: A) With all knobs at 100% and no inputs into the EDPs, or B)
input= Zero, output = any audible setting, mix and feedback = 100% and no inputs into EDPs.)

The only visible difference between the two EDPs is that the hissy unit has a power switch with just a white dot on it, while the other
actually says "on/off". Could one of these be from a different manufacturing run in which there were different (noisier) parts used? Is this
a problem that can be addressed by replacing certain parts?

Anybody else had this experience and found a way to address it?

Thanks

Joe Rut

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Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-716587604-1127603632=:67150-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 25 00:25:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7842D3BF43; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 00:25:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 25 Sep 2005 00:25:28 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 19:25:28 -0500 Subject: Re: Noisy/hissy EDP (revisited) X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050925002528.C9458CA077@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 00:25:32 +0000 (UTC) Daniel- Thanks for the reply. This problem happens no matter where I am (studio, g= igs, whatever). I even tried reversing the order of my EDPs in=20 the rack to see if the transformer of one was affecting the other. Same pr= oblem from the same unit. ----- Original Message ----- From: "daniel stevenson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Noisy/hissy EDP (revisited) Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 16:13:52 -0700 (PDT) >=20 > hey Joe... > is your gear close to video gear ie.televisions/computer=20 > monitors?my dl4 gets noise when im in half speed sometimes.if i get=20 > away from other electronics it is quiet.i wonder if it's forked up? > good luck. d no tee. > joe rut wrote: > Hey there- >=20 > I know this was a source of discussion on the list some time ago,=20 > but I've spent a couple hours searching/reading in the archive and=20 > I can't > find anything that seems to have resolved this problem. I'm using=20 > the cream-colored Oberheim EDPs with Loop III, 5.0. >=20 > The problem: > My loop is full of hiss. I tap record once. I tap it a second time=20 > to end the loop and there is a lot of hiss. > This occurs even with nothing plugged into the EDP inputs > This occurs even with input knob set to zero. > With feedback set to zero, the hiss does not die away, but stays steady. >=20 > This does not seems like an "improper gain staging" issue. One of=20 > my EDPs does this and the other does not. With both EDPs set > identically, one is super hissy, one is only mildly (and=20 > acceptably) hissy. (eg: A) With all knobs at 100% and no inputs=20 > into the EDPs, or B) > input=3D Zero, output =3D any audible setting, mix and feedback =3D 100%= =20 > and no inputs into EDPs.) >=20 > The only visible difference between the two EDPs is that the hissy=20 > unit has a power switch with just a white dot on it, while the other > actually says "on/off". Could one of these be from a different=20 > manufacturing run in which there were different (noisier) parts=20 > used? Is this > a problem that can be addressed by replacing certain parts? >=20 > Anybody else had this experience and found a way to address it? >=20 > Thanks >=20 > Joe Rut >=20 > -- > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow P= ages >=20 > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.= asp?SRC=3Dlycos10 >=20 >=20 >=20=09=09 > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 25 08:17:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42E213BED6; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 08:17:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200509250817.j8P8Hdb4055412@mailserver3.hushmail.com> Disposition-Notification-To: jmshepherd@hushmail.com Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 01:17:33 -0700 To: Cc: Subject: Re: Noisy/hissy EDP (revisited) Reply-To: jmshepherd@hushmail.com From: "Jim Shepherd" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 08:17:43 +0000 (UTC) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Joe, I too had a similar problem with my double stack of cream colored Echoplexi. One unit, in this case, the 2nd one I bought exhibited a nasty rumble/hiss at the end of the loop. The original unit behaved as it always had, no problems. Mine are configured as a Stereo set as described in the manual using the brother sync jack and midi. Annoying, and I could never figure it out. Both properly installed, all units in the rack isolated from each other with plastic tabs... I either incorporated the noise into the song or just left the second unit off and repatched the feed. What ended up fixing the problem for me was an upgrade to LoopIV rom chips. I really don't see how upgrading the firmware got rid of the rumble/hiss on the one unit. Perhaps Kim would have some insight. Maybe it perhaps had more to do with pulling the EDPs from the rack and having to reinstall them again. I hate leaving it at that, because this is not voodoo, just the application of appropriate, known technology. I just don't have the test equipment (or the time) to investigate it... especially since now both units are behaving themselves. You might want to upgrade to LoopIV anyway, it's sweet having all the new features. On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:39:49 -0700 joe rut wrote: >Hey there- > >I know this was a source of discussion on the list some time ago, >but I've spent a couple hours searching/reading in the archive and >I can't >find anything that seems to have resolved this problem. I'm using >the cream-colored Oberheim EDPs with Loop III, 5.0. > >The problem: >My loop is full of hiss. I tap record once. I tap it a second >time to end the loop and there is a lot of hiss. >This occurs even with nothing plugged into the EDP inputs >This occurs even with input knob set to zero. >With feedback set to zero, the hiss does not die away, but stays >steady. > >This does not seems like an "improper gain staging" issue. One of >my EDPs does this and the other does not. With both EDPs set >identically, one is super hissy, one is only mildly (and >acceptably) hissy. (eg: A) With all knobs at 100% and no inputs >into the EDPs, or B) >input= Zero, output = any audible setting, mix and feedback = 100% >and no inputs into EDPs.) > >The only visible difference between the two EDPs is that the hissy >unit has a power switch with just a white dot on it, while the >other >actually says "on/off". Could one of these be from a different >manufacturing run in which there were different (noisier) parts >used? Is this >a problem that can be addressed by replacing certain parts? > >Anybody else had this experience and found a way to address it? > >Thanks > >Joe Rut > >-- >_______________________________________________ > >Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos >Yellow Pages > >http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/de >fault.asp?SRC=lycos10 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify Version: Hush 2.4 wkYEARECAAYFAkM2XRsACgkQG3muArBfqImXbgCbBmVRTxZLz4ah4ep32VvOKlisGZAA n2KIkO8RSdhPQyZsdwuKVreqEfCm =QRSW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 25 12:15:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C8A23BEE8; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 12:15:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43369447.30607@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 08:12:55 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Galactic Travels Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup , WDIY Subject: Galactic Travels Playlists #442, #443, and #444 for September 8, 15, and 22, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 12:15:49 +0000 (UTC) Catching up on recent playlists... http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/050908.html http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/050915.html http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/050922.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #442 September 8, 2005 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Ken Martin. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Spheres" on Space for Music Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the Soundtrack LP "Angst" by Klaus Schulze on Inteam Records, released in 1984. Ken Martin - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#sep PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Klaus Schulze Pain Angst (Inteam) VA Vapor Trail Arcs & Angels (Atomic City) Giles Reaves Wunjo Wunjo (MCA) Ozone Player My Name Is Bond... E (Visual Power) Jeeves Bond Xeroid Entity Nightfall Live at the Deer Head Inn (Electro-MusicMedia) John Duval Beside the Sulfer Sea Hell's Canyon (Hypnos/Binary) Remote Spaces Summer in the City Elektronicznie (r. s. records) Remote Spaces Polaris Elektronicznie (r. s. records) 12:00 am Ken Martin Cloudance Spheres (Space for Music) Ken Martin Cathedrals of Neptune Spheres (Space for Music) Ken Martin Tranquility Spheres (Space for Music) Ken Martin Spheres Spheres (Space for Music) Ken Martin Blackholes Spheres (Space for Music) Ken Martin Rotation and Magnetism Spheres (Space for Music) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist === Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #443 September 15, 2005 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Ken Martin. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Transparent Shadows" on Space for Music Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Aqua" by Edgar Froese on Brain Records, released in 1974. Ken Martin - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#sep PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Edgar Froese Panorphelia Aqua (Brain) VA [Ron Boots and From Hull to Leeds E-dition #8 (Groove) Harold v.d. Heijden Tony Gerber Prehistoric Heart Altamira (Space for Music) Paul Nagle Fugsamkeit Red Book/Blue Book (NeuHarmony) Ozone Player They Are Finally Frozen Paint on Boiling Canvas Starting to Come (Visual Power) Mike Griffin and Imprint Imprint (Hypnos) Dave Fulton Christopher Short Magnificent Pearls, the Duende (AtmoWorks) Stars Awake 12:00 am Ken Martin Transparent Shadows Transparent Shadows (Space for Music) Remote Spaces Invitation/Infrasonic Ambientalnie (r. s. records) Remote Spaces Arpematik * Ambientalnie (r. s. records) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist === Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #444 September 22, 2005 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Ken Martin. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Beyond Ultraviolet" on Space for Music Records. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Un Reve Sans Consequence Speciale" by Heldon on Cobra Records and released in 1976. Ken Martin - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#sep PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Heldon Toward the Red Line Un Reve Sans Consequence Speciale (Cobra Records) Arttek Space Drop Arttek 2005 (none) The Ministry of Inside Contour Adjustment Live on E^#$%C (Synkronos) Things Alpha Wave Movement Sunburst Shift Beyond Silence (HRR) William Edge Eclipse of Moon Mora Breathing Without Air: The Universe Within (Sounds Blue) Sonic Sounds, Inc. Pax Romana I SSI (Azra/Chlorophyll) 12:00 am Ken Martin Space Cruise Beyond Ultraviolet (Space for Music) Ken Martin Ancestral Voices Beyond Ultraviolet (SFM) Ken Martin Alien Detection Beyond Ultraviolet (SFM) Ken Martin Beyond Ultraviolet Beyond Ultraviolet (SFM) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Ken Martin. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Berlin Impressions Volume 3" on Space for Music Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Heldon 4/Agneta Nilsson" by Heldon on Urus Records and released in 1976. Bill =============================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4:00 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Service Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 25 13:33:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DBF33BEE7; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 13:33:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,143,1125874800"; d="scan'208"; a="26555604:sNHT19040854" Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050925135722.02dbd860@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 14:33:20 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Michael Peters interface modes In-Reply-To: <20050925121550.8100C3BF02@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050925121550.8100C3BF02@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 13:33:40 +0000 (UTC) >I never played with the 'new' interface modes and now that I wanted to take >a closer look at them, they don't work. Do I have an old software version or >is my feedback expression pedal faulty? on booting, the EDP says LOOP4 and >6.0b (I think). The Loop/Delay modes available are: LOP Out del Inp EXP rpl > >Michael Peters >www.michaelpeters.de Inp EXP and rPL are new modes so you seem to be missing Stu and Fli. Without a pedal you should get LOP dEL EXP Stu With pedal LOP. dEL. EXP. Stu. Out. In. REP. FLI. note the full stop, which indicates that the pedal is detected if you load a pedal mode, remove the pedal, then you will see "nop" if you leave the Loop/Delay param unchanged and return to edit it again. As far as I know, the EDP will give a full range of modes as long as anything is plugged into the feedback socket. On start-up, I see Loop 4 1.1 and then briefly the max looptime and no. of loops, depending on "MoreLoops" My only suggestion is to try again :-( 1. after re-booting with the pedal attached. 2. after resetting the EDP by powering up with the parameter button held ( which erases any presets, beware) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 25 16:13:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B11E63BEDE; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 16:13:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 12:02:36 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: How does he do it? To: Erland , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002a01c5c1ec$93e30ae0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <0192FCE0-7D09-4C6D-97C7-E2D270BDC5AF@acedsl.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 16:13:28 +0000 (UTC) Where does it state that Dosh is using a Headrush in this video? I can't see what he's using in the setup behind his head, but he *could* be using a 'rush, simply turning the output off at that dropout point, then turning it back on. Looks like maybe aa footswitch is under the keyboard to his left...? Great video, great presentation of looping. -db, coyote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erland" To: Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 1:13 PM Subject: How does he do it? > Any idea how this guy Dosh is putting effects onto just the drums if > he's using an Akai Headrush pedal? http://www.anticon.com/dosh.mov > (At ca. 1:35) I think it's a Boss delay pedal? Does the Headrush have > a metronome like the LoopStation, or is it a DL-4 type trigger? I > can't seeing him stomping anywhere. Also according to the video it > seems like the Headrush has multiple undos. I can't find any of these > functions on Headrush info pages. > > ----------------------------------------------------- > > erland > > http://www.erlandonline.com > http://www.myspace.com/erland > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 25 20:41:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1245F3BEF1; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 20:41:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=aAwdgAyytgcfNx94FO8QkKmDkphp9OoyrPyWzWeFGnsycjj+U8CYYDBcRd2bub1P7iaTqAOxEkMVPQTCwINSanqsl7lBqR+UYbEajYB8HpXf45LkYVhWHz1JN+a8UKNXa4a9+SZ229vGzDGhCsFZsfVnmUUbg02drHc+nr5egz4= ; Message-ID: <20050925204100.82318.qmail@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 13:40:59 -0700 (PDT) From: John Harding Subject: Record while loop is playing? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-358306476-1127680859=:82307" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 20:41:01 +0000 (UTC) --0-358306476-1127680859=:82307 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Loopers Delight mailing list, I’m hoping someone out there can answer a looping-related question for me. Can anyone tell me if there are any looping devices capable of doing this… While one loop is playing, I’d like to be able to record another part silently (like with a sort of mute button or something). Then, at the appropriate time, I’d like to be able to simultaneously and seamlessly stop the first loop, and drop the second one in to replace it. I’ve been doing some research on this matter, but haven’t had any luck finding answers yet. Hopefully this isn’t a question that’s been answered a million times already, I know how irritating that can be. If it is, I apologize! But this is kind of a last resort for me. Thanks, JWH --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-358306476-1127680859=:82307 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi Loopers Delight mailing list,
I’m hoping someone out there can answer a looping-related question for me.  Can anyone tell me if there are any looping devices capable of doing this…
While one loop is playing, I’d like to be able to record another part silently (like with a sort of mute button or something).  Then, at the appropriate time, I’d like to be able to simultaneously and seamlessly stop the first loop, and drop the second one in to replace it.
I’ve been doing some research on this matter, but haven’t had any luck finding answers yet.  Hopefully this isn’t a question that’s been answered a million times already, I know how irritating that can be.  If it is, I apologize!  But this is kind of a last resort for me.
Thanks,
JWH

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Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-358306476-1127680859=:82307-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 25 20:45:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E17BA3BED0; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 20:45:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) References: <006d01c5c0f9$65fd0e80$0888d781@anewton> X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8FA05F42-C52A-47D1-96F1-2FAC2CBDE05E@collective.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Os Subject: Fwd: Upcoming improv/loop/laptop event Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 21:45:56 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 20:45:49 +0000 (UTC) this may be of interest. NB don't contact me about it, I'm just forwarding the message. beware the linked website only works in IE :( cheers, os. Begin forwarded message: > From: "A Newton and L Davy" > Date: 24 September 2005 12:16:23 BDT > To: "Os" > Subject: Upcoming improv event We are in the process of organising an all day festival at Lighthouse, Poole 's Centre for the Arts, Saturday November 12th. http://www.lighthousepoole.co.uk/ The event is called 'Unsafe' and will feature performances by some of the UK 's leading improvising musicians, workshops and a SafeHouse session which will bring improvising musicians from Poole and Brighton together for the first time. Renowned improviser / saxophonist Evan Parker will be playing during the evening. As part of the festival we will be holding a laptop-jam-style event. Our hope is to focus on using sounds found in the vicinity of the performance space, and processing them digitally for a collaborative live performance. There will also be some other participatory workshops for more conventional instrumentalists. Let me know if anoyone is interested in participating in some way. Everyone welcome. I will post more details when I have them. Cheers for now Adrian Newton From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 25 20:55:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 056A63BEE7; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 20:55:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43370DFF.9040803@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 16:52:15 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for September 24, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 20:55:28 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2005/050924.html I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #73 Septemver 24, 2005. During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. I also played the music of one of the musicians to be attending the up coming Ricochet Gathering. Ricochet Gathering - http://ricochetdream.com Paul Lawler - http://paullawler.org During Phase II, I played the music of Emerald City. This local band will be at Godfrey Daniels on October 7 for a concert and the CD Release Party of its debut CD. Godfrey Daniels - http://godfreydaniels.org Emerald City - http://soundscapes.us/emeraldcity During Phase III, I played the music of some Porcupine Tree and Robert Fripp who will be in concert Tuesday at the Keswick Theatre in Glenside. Keswick Theatre - http://www.keswicktheatre.com Porcupine Tree - http://www.porcupinetree.com Robert Fripp - http://www.elephant-talk.com Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== VA [Lammergeyer] Medley Edition #3 Sampler (Groove) VA [Off the Sky] Lite Gemute Cycle Edition #3 Sampler (Groove) VA [The Circular Ruins] Realm of Possibility Edition #3 Sampler (Groove) VA [Spielerei] Publix Delight Edition #3 Sampler (Groove) Max van Richter Resurrection Resurrection (NeuHarmony) Arcane The Taxidermist 33 1/3 RPM (NeuHarmony) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== Gary Stroutsos Ogun ORU (Paras) Agatsuma Rainfall Eternal Songs (Domo) Jeff Linscott Elephant Walk Within (none) Emerald City Cell Phone Medley Emerald City (Fox's Den) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== Michael Manring Helio Soliloquy (Manthing) The Rick Ray Band Until the End Temporary World (Neurosis) Spock's Beard Surfing Down the Gluttons for Punishment Avalanche (InsideOut) Spock's Beard She Is Everything GFP (InsideOut) Spock's Beard Climbing Up That Hill GFP (InsideOut) Spock's Beard Letting Go GFP (InsideOut) Spock's Beard Of the Beauty Of It All GFP (InsideOut) Porcupine Tree The Sound of Muzak In Absentia (Lava) Robert Fripp and the Intergalactic Boogie Intergalactic Boogie Express - League of Crafty Express Live in Europe 1991 (DGM) Guitarists * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show on October 8. On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Bill ========================================================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EDT (GMT-4:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm ========================================================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ========================================================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 25 22:06:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DF3B3BECD; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 22:06:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <20050925204100.82318.qmail@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050925204100.82318.qmail@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Record while loop is playing? Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 00:06:11 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 22:06:15 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 25, 2005, at 22:40, John Harding wrote: > Hi Loopers Delight mailing list, > I=92m hoping someone out there can answer a looping-related question =20= > for me. Can anyone tell me if there are any looping devices =20 > capable of doing this=85 > While one loop is playing, I=92d like to be able to record another =20 > part silently (like with a sort of mute button or something). =20 > Then, at the appropriate time, I=92d like to be able to =20 > simultaneously and seamlessly stop the first loop, and drop the =20 > second one in to replace it. > I=92ve been doing some research on this matter, but haven=92t had any =20= > luck finding answers yet. Hopefully this isn=92t a question that=92s =20= > been answered a million times already, I know how irritating that =20 > can be. If it is, I apologize! But this is kind of a last resort =20 > for me. > Thanks, > JWH I've done that with two looping devices by muting and un-muting their =20= mixer channel, but I don't know any looping device that can do it by =20 itself. This was discussed two weeks ago on the Mobius list and =20 Matthias Loibner said he uses that trick when looping live audi input =20= on a laptop running parallel instances of Moebius. This can of course =20= also be done in the Ableton Live software (recording to a muted =20 channel while a loop keeps playing on another channel). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 25 22:19:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E96D63BEE0; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 22:19:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,144,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="1612965954:sNHT15063940" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: <20050925204100.82318.qmail@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1E0D92A8-AB54-425B-B404-C7B9A96933B0@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: Record while loop is playing? Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 17:19:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 22:19:24 +0000 (UTC) Shouldn't that be possible with the Repeater by manipulating the =20 track volumes? (I don't have one...) On Sep 25, 2005, at 5:06 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Sep 25, 2005, at 22:40, John Harding wrote: > > >> Hi Loopers Delight mailing list, >> I=92m hoping someone out there can answer a looping-related question =20= >> for me. Can anyone tell me if there are any looping devices =20 >> capable of doing this=85 >> While one loop is playing, I=92d like to be able to record another =20= >> part silently (like with a sort of mute button or something). =20 >> Then, at the appropriate time, I=92d like to be able to =20 >> simultaneously and seamlessly stop the first loop, and drop the =20 >> second one in to replace it. >> I=92ve been doing some research on this matter, but haven=92t had any = =20 >> luck finding answers yet. Hopefully this isn=92t a question that=92s = =20 >> been answered a million times already, I know how irritating that =20 >> can be. If it is, I apologize! But this is kind of a last resort =20= >> for me. >> Thanks, >> JWH >> > > > I've done that with two looping devices by muting and un-muting =20 > their mixer channel, but I don't know any looping device that can =20 > do it by itself. This was discussed two weeks ago on the Mobius =20 > list and Matthias Loibner said he uses that trick when looping live =20= > audi input on a laptop running parallel instances of Moebius. This =20 > can of course also be done in the Ableton Live software (recording =20 > to a muted channel while a loop keeps playing on another channel). > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 25 22:25:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 268FD3BEE4; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 22:25:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <1E0D92A8-AB54-425B-B404-C7B9A96933B0@charter.net> References: <20050925204100.82318.qmail@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1E0D92A8-AB54-425B-B404-C7B9A96933B0@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8728CD43-2518-427F-BF89-9F037AE53E41@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Record while loop is playing? Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 00:25:15 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 22:25:19 +0000 (UTC) Yes. I had a Repeater for a while and could do that. Sorry, I forgot =20 to mention it but I was thinking about more like the mixer channel =20 trick :-) / per On Sep 26, 2005, at 0:19, Kelly Coyle wrote: > Shouldn't that be possible with the Repeater by manipulating the =20 > track volumes? (I don't have one...) > > > On Sep 25, 2005, at 5:06 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > >> On Sep 25, 2005, at 22:40, John Harding wrote: >> >> >> >>> Hi Loopers Delight mailing list, >>> I=92m hoping someone out there can answer a looping-related =20 >>> question for me. Can anyone tell me if there are any looping =20 >>> devices capable of doing this=85 >>> While one loop is playing, I=92d like to be able to record another =20= >>> part silently (like with a sort of mute button or something). =20 >>> Then, at the appropriate time, I=92d like to be able to =20 >>> simultaneously and seamlessly stop the first loop, and drop the =20 >>> second one in to replace it. >>> I=92ve been doing some research on this matter, but haven=92t had = any =20 >>> luck finding answers yet. Hopefully this isn=92t a question that=92s = =20 >>> been answered a million times already, I know how irritating that =20= >>> can be. If it is, I apologize! But this is kind of a last =20 >>> resort for me. >>> Thanks, >>> JWH >>> >>> >> >> >> I've done that with two looping devices by muting and un-muting =20 >> their mixer channel, but I don't know any looping device that can =20 >> do it by itself. This was discussed two weeks ago on the Mobius =20 >> list and Matthias Loibner said he uses that trick when looping =20 >> live audi input on a laptop running parallel instances of Moebius. =20= >> This can of course also be done in the Ableton Live software =20 >> (recording to a muted channel while a loop keeps playing on =20 >> another channel). >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 26 04:09:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE3103BED8; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 04:09:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" Subject: THE AMBiENT PiNG presents Songspell Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 00:11:25 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000301c5c250$5ca3fb70$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: <02NnCD.A.SFE.FS3NDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 04:09:41 +0000 (UTC) THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday September 27th - Songspell Sit back and enjoy the trip as the sonic alchemists of Songspell, Michael Moon (Vibraphone, electric guitar, Vocals, percussion), Thom Dean (Keys, percussion) & Jenn Howie (Keys, Vocals, percussion), weave sound like a magic spell. Sometimes soft and ambient, soon melting into organic driving psychedelia. Imagine early Pink Floyd at an acid test. Nothing is predetermined or programmed, each show is a unique, in the moment journey as much a surprise to the band as the audience. http://www.thetempleofsound.com/song-spell.html Between Sets CD - "New Life Dreaming" by Steve Roach Our month-long feature on Steve Roach's new "Dreamtime Box" concludes with disc four "New Life Dreaming" - a CD of expansive drifting pieces inspired by revisiting the classic ambient works on the original "Dreamtime Return" album during its recent remastering. http://www.steveroach.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday October 4th - "A Worthy Fall: October" http://www.worthyrecords.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ||: IN THE LOOP :|| by Luna Tek The "PiNG AMBiENCE 3 - STRiNG THiNGS" CD release party on Tuesday, September 20 continued THE AMBiENT PiNG tradition of providing a home for artists who might otherwise have difficulty finding a venue to perform in. On this night - 3 ambient guitarists featured on the CD. Paul Royes, strumming and caressing his Stratocaster guitar under swirling rainbows of ambient visuals, opened the evening with a meditative set. Paul's latest compositions are grounding, yet inspire flights of imagination. Creating a sound that encourages introspection, Royes has created companion music for artists who habitually listen while they create. According to one PiNG enthusiast, looper Joe G's first performance at the PiNG in over a year "spaced the house." His set was the perfect blend of lyricism descending into waves of distortion with the added element of the General Chaos guys projecting cosmic designs around his head. At the end of his gorgeous set, another member of the PiNG commented that "everyone loves Joe." And we hope to see-- and hear--him again at TAP before too long. Phil Ogison (aka The Devil In The Design) opened his set with a tip of the hat to one of his guitar inspirations, Steve Hillage (of seventies psychedelic/jazz tribe Gong and, more recently, of ambient techno project System 7). Phil then continued the night's emerging theme of taking the audience deeper into space with several swelling guitar/looper workouts. The evening closed with an entertaining 3-way jam featuring Paul, Joe and Phil as they traveled together through several styles of guitar interplay. Luna Tek - luna@theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews Many wonderful artists have generously offered to donate all earnings from the sale of their CDs through ping things for the month of September to the American Red Cross (less taxes and shipping costs) in an effort to raise money for Hurricane relief efforts. Please visit http://www.pingthings.com to find out more. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 26 05:15:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C870F3BEF8; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 05:15:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.0.14.2.20050926005845.01eb8f58@mail.wightman.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 01:15:16 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_M=F6bius_glitches?= In-Reply-To: <433575C4.70703@sun.com> References: <1043843796.20050924100117@gmx.net> <433575C4.70703@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-65497455 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 05:15:20 +0000 (UTC) I've been using Mobius for a few months now on an older laptop. I've got this compaq m300, 600mhz with 384 mb ram,a 60 gig hard drive, and running windows xp. At Jeff's suggestion I optimized it for using with audio ( http://www.musicxp.net/tuning_tips.php ) and I'm also not running any other programs on it. So it is just my looper now. I've run into very few and minor glitches and have used it in a few shows now. I did run into some latency problems at first trying to use it as a vst plugin, but as a stand alone looper I've been extremely pleased with it. The transition to using it has been real easy since it is set up like my edp. At the moment the thing I'm enjoying the most is that instead of overdubbing layers onto my edp, I can put my layers on individual tracks and let them fade out at different rates with the feedback control. I can also pan individual tracks to either side and have a "conversation" going between my guitar and hammered dulcimer tracks. This is just way too much fun, it may cost me my day job as I stay up too late playing with the thing. Thanks Jeff for some amazing software!!! Paul Haslem Looped in Ontario Canada At 11:50 AM 24/09/2005, you wrote: >numbernine@gmx.net wrote: >>Kris> >>Kris> I got the FB up and running with Mobius too, but Mobius and my computer >>Kris> are just not getting along. I get hangs and glitches, etc...and I don't >>Kris> have time to run that trace program for Jeff to see what the issue is. >>The thing that helped for me was just to turn tracing off. (in >>mobius.xml, set debuglevel to 1 or 0). > >Besides leaving trace on, the usual reason for glitches is overdubbing >a large number of layers which increases demands on the CPU. What exactly >"large" is depends on the speed of the computer and the other plugins >you have running. I get around 50 layers before glitching, but if >you're running 29 other power hungry plugins that number may be much lower. > >This will be fixed when support for Interface Modes is released. > >Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 26 06:09:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B63133BEF8; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 06:09:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Michael Peters interface modes Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 08:08:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcXCXW0ho2zfBLXSSEikKZvF+8MdRQAAtmaQ In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20050925135722.02dbd860@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Mon, 26 Sep 2005 08:01:10 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.100.60 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <20050926060859.354823BEEA@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4akiLD.A.-FH.8B5NDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 06:09:00 +0000 (UTC) hi Andy, > As far as I know, the EDP will give a full range of modes as > long as anything is plugged into the feedback socket. > On start-up, I see > Loop 4 > 1.1 sounds like I don't have the same version. Do several Loop4 versions exist? It is not even my own Echoplex, it belongs to Markus Reuter, and he has my EDP - we had exchanged our EDPs by mistake a while ago but haven't bothered because I thought they're the same anyway. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 26 06:35:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 872963BEE8; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 06:35:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #3338868 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 08:34:20 +0200 From: numbernine@gmx.net X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) Reply-To: LD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <712168925.20050926083420@gmx.net> To: LD Subject: Re[2]: Record while loop is playing? In-Reply-To: References: <20050925204100.82318.qmail@web34304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 06:35:25 +0000 (UTC) >> While one loop is playing, I’d like to be able to record another >> part silently (like with a sort of mute button or something). >> Then, at the appropriate time, I’d like to be able to >> simultaneously and seamlessly stop the first loop, and drop the >> second one in to replace it. PB> I've done that with two looping devices by muting and un-muting their PB> mixer channel, but I don't know any looping device that can do it by PB> itself. This was discussed two weeks ago on the Mobius list and PB> Matthias Loibner said he uses that trick when looping live audi input PB> on a laptop running parallel instances of Moebius. This can of course PB> also be done in the Ableton Live software (recording to a muted PB> channel while a loop keeps playing on another channel). true, this can be done with Möbius, but in only one running instance: record to a second track, go to mute after recording, and then mute the first and unmute the second (which can be done by a single button or foot step). The question is if you want the 2nd loop to be heard while recording it, then you either have to use a host where you have a muted effect patch still going into möbius or you have to turn off inputmonitoring in standalone or do the same with an external mixer. I use the first way inside Bidule, because it is all controllable by feet. same thing with the repeater, you need your hands at the faders or you have to use a midi footcontroller (eg. to send PC25 and 26 at the same time for stereo loops, 16,17,18,19 for mono). regards, Matthias From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 26 08:28:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 886C93BED6; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 08:28:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5241.195.188.213.34.1127723284.squirrel@195.188.213.34> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:28:04 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Fwd: Re: EDP Sync to Yamaha RM1x] From: dayshift@blueyonder.co.uk To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Sep 2005 08:28:53.0687 (UTC) FILETIME=[54566470:01C5C274] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 08:28:07 +0000 (UTC) Hi Thought I'd send update on this. I installed the latest os eprom in the rm1x but it didn't make any difference to the edp sync problem. Interestingly, when I was searching through the LD archives found someone else with exactly the same problem but when using an Emu PX7 http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200402/msg00191.html Unfortunately, there's no follow-up as to whether he ever sorted the problem. If anyone's got any suggestions on how I might sort this, would be appreciated. Thanks Bob > It may be really useful if you provide us with all the parameter settings on the Echoplex and the configuration of the RM1x as well. also, is the Echoplex LoopIII or LoopIV, how is everything connected, what sequence of actions you do, what you see on the display, etc. It is really difficult and time consuming to help debug a problem like this if we don't get all the details! Ok. Because it wasn't working I did a complete system reset on both the edp and the rm1x. Midi connection was, 'out' of rm1x to 'in' of edp. I changed the RM1x parameters so it would change pattern after a bar rather than 1/16 and reloaded a couple of my own user pattern sets. I turned off midi output on channel 8. On the EDP I changed the following - Midi Channel to '8' Sync to 'In' Quantize to 'loop' Switchquant to 'loop' Feedback full Think that's everything. Doing it from memory as at work. Like I said before, one of the preset pattern sets ('Epic Hse' I think...the one that sounds like Faithless anyway) that I picked at random to test it worked perfectly. My user patterns and a number of the other presets I found didn't work. I would press start on the sequencer and over time would watch the clock indicator on the edp slowly drift out of time. V strange. To check the EDP I tried syncing it to cubase and other drum machines and it worked perfectly, it's just the RM1x that's the problem. I've ordered the newer os eprom (v1.3) from Yamaha which I'll be refunded for if I send the old one back to them so hopefully this will sort it. I really can't think of any other reason why Claude's should work and mine wouldn't (apart from difference in os), unless of course mine is broken in some way. Thanks for the response and any ideas appreciated. Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 26 10:08:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 576533BEE0; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:08:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.1.0 From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: Andre LaFosse's music appears on the scores to two different films opening this fall Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:07:51 +0200 Message-ID: <009d01c5c282$2c27ccb0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:08:14 +0000 (UTC) Andre LaFosse's music appears on the scores to two different films opening this fall: http://www.livejournal.com/users/andrelafosse/12512.html Congratulations! Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 26 10:38:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AC473BED2; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:38:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <4C383FE0-2E7A-11DA-A100-000A95F0101C@dartington.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Michael Bassett Subject: Lexicon Jamman power supply? Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:42:56 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:38:32 +0000 (UTC) Hello All, I'm hoping to find a means to power my Jamman here in the UK. I'm an American living the UK. I've got an American wallwart for the Jamman. I'd like to use the UK power supply. I've attempted to replace it via several outlets here in the UK, but I'm having no luck. Any suggestions? Michael Bassett -------------------------------- Internet: www.michaelbassett.org Europe: Dartington College of Arts Higher Close, Totnes Devon, UK TQ9 6EJ North America: 1 West 89th St. Apt. 7W NY NY 10024 USA From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 26 10:45:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 427FC3BEE4; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:45:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 54bbb60f2de437f8aacc83651704fe75 Received-SPF: pass (donga.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.176.10.10 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.176.10.10; envelope-from=matigrob@terra.com.br; helo=[10.1.1.6]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matigrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 07:45:00 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: Michael Peters interface modes Cc: Kim Flint Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:45:12 +0000 (UTC) >sounds like I don't have the same version. Do several Loop4 versions exist? no, you have a beta >It is not even my own Echoplex, it belongs to Markus Reuter, and he has my >EDP - we had exchanged our EDPs by mistake a while ago but haven't bothered >because I thought they're the same anyway. yes, Markus worked as betatester and as it seems he never got the final version, so we will have to send you one... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 26 10:45:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86D9F3BEEA; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:45:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RWMWgUJ4gcRRNcDQ5IM8d3FQ/wANofhptyZpAhpKtGzHmHvmoJnPYIrNn57gD89qiM6O3h3OE8CtNuwRM99A3H6QkKnsuUrYc39JYVthqu/u14+hJhHd/0b0ZNf4riMYiUxXIxJobWlPBlYwpxz9QSnXfNXjAH8L7KS9dVzPIko= Message-ID: <353e2ed80509260345204b05dd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:45:51 +0100 From: David Morton Reply-To: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lexicon Jamman power supply? In-Reply-To: <4C383FE0-2E7A-11DA-A100-000A95F0101C@dartington.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <4C383FE0-2E7A-11DA-A100-000A95F0101C@dartington.ac.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:45:53 +0000 (UTC) On 9/26/05, Michael Bassett wrote: > I'm hoping to find a means to power my Jamman here in the UK. I'm an > American living the UK. I've got an American wallwart for the Jamman. > I'd like to use the UK power supply. I've attempted to replace it via > several outlets here in the UK, but I'm having no luck. > > Any suggestions? http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?ModuleNo=3D13358&doy=3D26m9 Would let you use your US supply in the UK. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 26 14:33:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25B943BED2; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 14:33:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=RHEVv2zZZ611x+4WH2ronzU134RH5nNt6Y4ZvYCRlB2yDr+8nYp8Q2XnL03RHxqbUAQFjH7SacvIcVcB61rKBwCbZ10dUZJq7sfz2cdSPxNXVzxBbhqtIGtvgkhC9m0S34RM+oBfrJv5Yp3e3sj6VJeWj4IdCENzVKFCrpQg0AQ= Message-ID: <250b523405092607337a50c1fa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:33:23 -0300 From: tadeu barboza Reply-To: tadeu barboza To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lexicon Jamman power supply? In-Reply-To: <4C383FE0-2E7A-11DA-A100-000A95F0101C@dartington.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1855_31615877.1127745203576" References: <4C383FE0-2E7A-11DA-A100-000A95F0101C@dartington.ac.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 14:33:25 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1855_31615877.1127745203576 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi Michael I use to live in the UK now I currently living in Brazil.. In both cases a simple adapter from ARGOS or similar, sorted my problem, it might cost a pound or so, a power outlet that goes from dual American pin t= o three "monstrous" UK style of plug, :) KOBNA BRAZIL. On 9/26/05, Michael Bassett wrote: > > Hello All, > > I'm hoping to find a means to power my Jamman here in the UK. I'm an > American living the UK. I've got an American wallwart for the Jamman. > I'd like to use the UK power supply. I've attempted to replace it via > several outlets here in the UK, but I'm having no luck. > > Any suggestions? > > Michael Bassett > -------------------------------- > Internet: > www.michaelbassett.org > > Europe: > Dartington College of Arts > Higher Close, Totnes > Devon, UK > TQ9 6EJ > > North America: > 1 West 89th St. Apt. 7W > NY NY 10024 > USA > > ------=_Part_1855_31615877.1127745203576 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi Michael

I use to live in the UK now I currently living in Brazil..
In both cases a simple adapter from ARGOS or similar, sorted my problem, it might cost a pound or so, a power outlet that goes from dual American pin to three "monstrous" UK style of plug, :)

KOBNA BRAZIL.


On 9/26/05, Michael Bassett <m.bassett@dartington.ac.uk> wrote:
Hello All,

  I'm hoping to find a means to power my Jamman= here in the UK.  I'm an
American living the UK.  I'= ve got an American wallwart for the Jamman.
I'd like to use the UK power= supply.  I've attempted to replace it via
several outlets here in the UK, but I'm having no luck.

Any sugg= estions?

Michael Bassett
--------------------------------
Inte= rnet:
www.michaelbassett.org

Europe:
Dartington College of Arts
Higher Close, TotnesDevon, UK
TQ9 6EJ

North America:
1 West 89th St. Apt. 7W
= NY NY 10024
USA


------=_Part_1855_31615877.1127745203576-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 26 14:49:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4458C3BEB8; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 14:49:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <002a01c5c1ec$93e30ae0$9715be18@oemcomputer> References: <0192FCE0-7D09-4C6D-97C7-E2D270BDC5AF@acedsl.com> <002a01c5c1ec$93e30ae0$9715be18@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Erland Subject: Re: How does he do it? Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:49:06 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 14:49:04 +0000 (UTC) In the press section it says that he uses the Headrush for a looper. =20 ( http://www.anticon.com/press.htm#dosh ) Of course he c=F8uld be using =20= something else for this. I don't really understand what you mean by what you said. Wouldn't =20 that just mute everything? Erland On Sep 25, 2005, at 12:02 PM, Douglas Baldwin wrote: > Where does it state that Dosh is using a Headrush in this video? > I can't see what he's using in the setup behind his head, but he =20 > *could* be > using a 'rush, simply turning the output off at that dropout point, =20= > then > turning it back on. Looks like maybe aa footswitch is under the =20 > keyboard to > his left...? > Great video, great presentation of looping. > -db, coyote > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Erland" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 1:13 PM > Subject: How does he do it? > > > >> Any idea how this guy Dosh is putting effects onto just the drums if >> he's using an Akai Headrush pedal? http://www.anticon.com/dosh.mov >> (At ca. 1:35) I think it's a Boss delay pedal? Does the Headrush have >> a metronome like the LoopStation, or is it a DL-4 type trigger? I >> can't seeing him stomping anywhere. Also according to the video it >> seems like the Headrush has multiple undos. I can't find any of these >> functions on Headrush info pages. >> >> ----------------------------------------------------- >> >> erland >> >> http://www.erlandonline.com >> http://www.myspace.com/erland >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 26 15:51:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FDEA3BEE8; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:51:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: a1727b5f4675b8f45724586365a768c6 Received-SPF: pass (moroto.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.176.10.5 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.176.10.5; envelope-from=matigrob@terra.com.br; helo=[10.1.1.6]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matigrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:50:16 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: zen and the fluent music Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:51:17 +0000 (UTC) Kris said: >My FB experience is on hold for now. Sure, I got it configured fine to >work with my EDPs, but I still can't get past its size, plus I'm not >really using the features that you can access on via MIDI and not the >EDP controller. I dont either but FB is an analog pedal :-) >For instance, if I want to have 6 separate loops, I'll >just use the Next Loop button on the controller to scroll through them, >rather than selecting that loop immediately via MIDI. I'm using my >Insert function on my EDP controller to trigger reverse on the EDPs, but >I guess it would be nice to use it for the subsitute function with some >quantizing. But my music is typically far too organic, free flowing, and >non-meter like to really benefit from quantizing. Now that I think about >it, I don't use quantize for anything when I loop. I like to be >responsible for my own timing. :) thats how I feel, and makes it dificult to use anything but an EDP because all other units and even the soft copies partly introduce quantization... ... which I can understand, its terrible to program without quantization! >The half speed function is cool, >which you can only access via MIDI, but I wouldn't really use that much >either. yes, it cuts flow for my taste... >Right now I'm more interested in getting all I can get with the >functionality accessible with the EDP controller. I don't want to >complicate things any more. right... we were not talking about complicated things, just a pedal to flow with FB... you will love it! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 26 16:00:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B3D83BEF1; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:00:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: zen and the fluent music Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:00:30 -0600 Message-ID: <00d301c5c2b3$6eb7a1f0$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 171, in=439, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:00:43 +0000 (UTC) Whoops, I confused FB with FCB. Too many damn abbreviations and acronyms. :) Please debried me privately on what FB is. thnx Flow is good.... "Flow with whatever may happen and let your mind be free. Stay centered by accepting whatever you are doing. This is the ultimate." - Toaist quote from Chuang Tzu Kris -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matigrob@terra.com.br] Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 9:50 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: zen and the fluent music Kris said: >My FB experience is on hold for now. Sure, I got it configured fine to >work with my EDPs, but I still can't get past its size, plus I'm not >really using the features that you can access on via MIDI and not the >EDP controller. I dont either but FB is an analog pedal :-) >For instance, if I want to have 6 separate loops, I'll >just use the Next Loop button on the controller to scroll through them, >rather than selecting that loop immediately via MIDI. I'm using my >Insert function on my EDP controller to trigger reverse on the EDPs, >but I guess it would be nice to use it for the subsitute function with >some quantizing. But my music is typically far too organic, free >flowing, and non-meter like to really benefit from quantizing. Now that >I think about it, I don't use quantize for anything when I loop. I >like to be responsible for my own timing. :) thats how I feel, and makes it dificult to use anything but an EDP because all other units and even the soft copies partly introduce quantization... ... which I can understand, its terrible to program without quantization! >The half speed function is cool, >which you can only access via MIDI, but I wouldn't really use that much >either. yes, it cuts flow for my taste... >Right now I'm more interested in getting all I can get with the >functionality accessible with the EDP controller. I don't want to >complicate things any more. right... we were not talking about complicated things, just a pedal to flow with FB... you will love it! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 26 16:50:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FDBC3BEEA; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:50:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RGBHN9lUBz6TxxPvOJ3Y6BRbgR185JRFPWqyL//01SpTPp/IDX9ufdRuqqeYlqtXzaDuDWYewykBc2FK1QmTN+1Piu7qwQ9r9f6nPKwD0Cc/6iv2iadHYwLTHssZ/b5oj7CYAKl0TOWwmhJC1LDSnxoe2Lcdhp1Y0g4hr0I/pWQ= ; Message-ID: <20050926165000.92847.qmail@web32714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 09:50:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: RE: zen and the fluent music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00d301c5c2b3$6eb7a1f0$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-280649996-1127753400=:92746" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:50:02 +0000 (UTC) --0-280649996-1127753400=:92746 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Whatever you're playing, be there...unless of course it's something like a very un-zen cover of "Volare" or "Freebird." Then you must stop. Here's a really cool book: Hazrat Inayat Khan: The Mysticism of Sound and Music. Sorry Kris - yahoo returned it to your box instead of loopers where I was trying to send it... Kris Hartung wrote: Whoops, I confused FB with FCB. Too many damn abbreviations and acronyms. :) Please debried me privately on what FB is. thnx Flow is good.... "Flow with whatever may happen and let your mind be free. Stay centered by accepting whatever you are doing. This is the ultimate." - Toaist quote from Chuang Tzu Kris -----Original Message----- From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matigrob@terra.com.br] Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 9:50 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: zen and the fluent music Kris said: >My FB experience is on hold for now. Sure, I got it configured fine to >work with my EDPs, but I still can't get past its size, plus I'm not >really using the features that you can access on via MIDI and not the >EDP controller. I dont either but FB is an analog pedal :-) >For instance, if I want to have 6 separate loops, I'll >just use the Next Loop button on the controller to scroll through them, >rather than selecting that loop immediately via MIDI. I'm using my >Insert function on my EDP controller to trigger reverse on the EDPs, >but I guess it would be nice to use it for the subsitute function with >some quantizing. But my music is typically far too organic, free >flowing, and non-meter like to really benefit from quantizing. Now that >I think about it, I don't use quantize for anything when I loop. I >like to be responsible for my own timing. :) thats how I feel, and makes it dificult to use anything but an EDP because all other units and even the soft copies partly introduce quantization... ... which I can understand, its terrible to program without quantization! >The half speed function is cool, >which you can only access via MIDI, but I wouldn't really use that much >either. yes, it cuts flow for my taste... >Right now I'm more interested in getting all I can get with the >functionality accessible with the EDP controller. I don't want to >complicate things any more. right... we were not talking about complicated things, just a pedal to flow with FB... you will love it! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org Asgard Guitars "guitar technology for the new emerging edge..." coolintensity@yahoo.com coolintensity1@aol.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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Whatever you're playing, be there...unless of course it's something
like a very un-zen cover of "Volare" or "Freebird." Then you must stop.
Here's a really cool book: Hazrat Inayat Khan: The Mysticism of Sound and Music.
 
Sorry Kris - yahoo returned it to your box instead of loopers where I was
trying to send it...


Kris Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
Whoops, I confused FB with FCB. Too many damn abbreviations and
acronyms. :) Please debried me privately on what FB is. thnx

Flow is good....

"Flow with whatever may happen and let your mind be free. Stay centered
by accepting whatever you are doing. This is the ultimate." - Toaist
quote from Chuang Tzu

Kris

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matigrob@terra.com.br]
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 9:50 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: zen and the fluent music


Kris said:
>My FB experience is on hold for now. Sure, I got it configured fine to
>work with my EDPs, but I still can't get past its size, plus I'm not
>really using the features that you can access on via MIDI and not the
>EDP controller.

I dont either
but FB is an analog pedal :-)

>For instance, if I want to have 6 separate loops, I'll
>just use the Next Loop button on the controller to scroll through them,

>rather than selecting that loop immediately via MIDI. I'm using my
>Insert function on my EDP controller to trigger reverse on the EDPs,
>but I guess it would be nice to use it for the subsitute function with
>some quantizing. But my music is typically far too organic, free
>flowing, and non-meter like to really benefit from quantizing. Now that

>I think about it, I don't use quantize for anything when I loop. I
>like to be responsible for my own timing. :)

thats how I feel, and makes it dificult to use anything but an EDP
because all other units and even the soft copies partly introduce
quantization...
... which I can understand, its terrible to program without
quantization!

>The half speed function is cool,
>which you can only access via MIDI, but I wouldn't really use that much

>either.

yes, it cuts flow for my taste...

>Right now I'm more interested in getting all I can get with the
>functionality accessible with the EDP controller. I don't want to
>complicate things any more.

right... we were not talking about complicated things, just a pedal
to flow with FB... you will love it!
--


---> http://Matthias.Grob.org





 
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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-280649996-1127753400=:92746-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 26 17:09:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 529543BEFF; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:09:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,146,1125874800"; d="scan'208"; a="25181990:sNHT18778018" Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050926180105.03266080@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:08:39 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:RE: Michael Peters interface modes In-Reply-To: <20050926165002.E6F233BEF6@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050926165002.E6F233BEF6@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:09:09 +0000 (UTC) At 17:50 26/09/05, you wrote: >hi Andy, > > > As far as I know, the EDP will give a full range of modes as > > long as anything is plugged into the feedback socket. > > On start-up, I see > > Loop 4 > > 1.1 > >sounds like I don't have the same version. Do several Loop4 versions exist? > > >It is not even my own Echoplex, it belongs to Markus Reuter, and he has my >EDP - we had exchanged our EDPs by mistake a while ago but haven't bothered >because I thought they're the same anyway. Markus was a loop4 beta tester, so there's every chance you now have a beta version. Fli and Stu were the last modes to be put in, so I'm thinking that looks like the answer. In which case, Markus probably has an unused set of LoopIV 1.1 chips which he really ought to send you :-) andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 26 17:10:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 931A33BF02; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:10:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-15.tower-78.messagelabs.com!1127754618!36415757!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC88FA@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Lexicon Jamman power supply? Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:11:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5C2BD.5219D7C0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:10:24 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5C2BD.5219D7C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> a power outlet that goes from dual American pin to three "monstrous" UK style of plug, :) << noo-oo-oo-oo! the voltage is different..... he'd fry his wallwart with our 230 eurovolts. the original lexicon jamman is a bit fussy about it's power anyway. mr sellon says that sometimes the supplied psu isn't adequate, & my own experience is that this will almost certainly happen when you are on stage. I can't see why this is, because when the 9V ac gets into the box, it's rectified & turned into 5V. so 9V should be plenty, but it often isn't. I suspect (as with some alesis gear) that the 5V reg isn't the end of the story, & that some of the 9V ac (or possibly even dc) goes somewhere else inside the thing aswell. anyway. point is, all you need is something that can chuck out 9-10V ac from an input of 230V ac. if you don't want to buy a downconverter- which would a) seem like a sledgehammer to crack a nut & b) leave the risk of plugging the US wallwart in without it's little helper one day- & it's beyond the wit of your local maplin to find a suitable device, let me know off-list. I believe I have a spare. d. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. 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 >> a power outlet that goes from dual American pin to three "monstrous" UK style of plug, :) <<
 
noo-oo-oo-oo! the voltage is different..... he'd fry his wallwart with our 230 eurovolts.
 
the original lexicon jamman is a bit fussy about it's power anyway. mr sellon says that sometimes the supplied psu isn't adequate, & my own experience is that this will almost certainly happen when you are on stage. I can't see why this is, because when the 9V ac gets into the box, it's rectified & turned into 5V. so 9V should be plenty, but it often isn't. I suspect (as with some alesis gear) that the 5V reg isn't the end of the story, & that some of the 9V ac (or possibly even dc) goes somewhere else inside the thing aswell.
 
anyway. point is, all you need is something that can chuck out 9-10V ac from an input of 230V ac.
 
if you don't want to buy a downconverter- which would a) seem like a sledgehammer to crack a nut & b) leave the risk of plugging the US wallwart in without it's little helper one day- & it's beyond the wit of your local maplin to find a suitable device, let me know off-list. I believe I have a spare.
 
d.


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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5C2BD.5219D7C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 26 17:34:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A6D33BEE0; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:34:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:12:48 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: How does he do it? To: Erland , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002a01c5c2c1$10f81e60$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:34:37 +0000 (UTC) I don't have my Headrush in front of me, but I *think* you can access just the *effect* output. Mister Dosh apparently simultaneously mutes the looped stuff and continues to play in real time at that one point in the performance. With the effect out routed to one channel and the "real time" sound routed to another, you could do that pretty easily. dB, coyote ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erland" To: Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 10:49 AM Subject: Re: How does he do it? > In the press section it says that he uses the Headrush for a looper. > ( http://www.anticon.com/press.htm#dosh ) Of course he cøuld be using > something else for this. > I don't really understand what you mean by what you said. Wouldn't > that just mute everything? > Erland > > On Sep 25, 2005, at 12:02 PM, Douglas Baldwin wrote: > > > Where does it state that Dosh is using a Headrush in this video? > > I can't see what he's using in the setup behind his head, but he > > *could* be > > using a 'rush, simply turning the output off at that dropout point, > > then > > turning it back on. Looks like maybe aa footswitch is under the > > keyboard to > > his left...? > > Great video, great presentation of looping. > > -db, coyote > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Erland" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 1:13 PM > > Subject: How does he do it? > > > > > > > >> Any idea how this guy Dosh is putting effects onto just the drums if > >> he's using an Akai Headrush pedal? http://www.anticon.com/dosh.mov > >> (At ca. 1:35) I think it's a Boss delay pedal? Does the Headrush have > >> a metronome like the LoopStation, or is it a DL-4 type trigger? I > >> can't seeing him stomping anywhere. Also according to the video it > >> seems like the Headrush has multiple undos. I can't find any of these > >> functions on Headrush info pages. > >> > >> ----------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> erland > >> > >> http://www.erlandonline.com > >> http://www.myspace.com/erland > >> > >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 26 17:45:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A0353BEFF; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:45:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <20050926165002.E41673BEFB@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050926165002.E41673BEFB@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--874249471 Message-Id: <8C8CA68A-3295-4041-BA05-EB9F0C50DC94@cableaz.com> From: ":: rds8000 ::" Subject: Re: Lexicon Jamman power supply? Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 10:46:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:45:30 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--874249471 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hello I have a 220V UK power supply for the Jamman if you are interested. I actually have two if anyone else is interested in the other. I bought two jammans from the UK and have no need for the adapters $25 shipped sound fair? I can do Money Order or PayPal. Adam --Apple-Mail-1--874249471 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Hello

I have a 220V UK power supply for the Jamman if you are interested. I actually have two if anyone else is interested in the other. I bought two jammans from the UK and have no need for the adapters

$25 shipped sound fair? I can do Money Order or PayPal.

Adam
--Apple-Mail-1--874249471-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 26 18:09:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFB5D3BEFB; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:09:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LjWNjlkBK6ErwGjh38VDMfMXpLlv+uYPeENlEpUl3xZVCr4XX+SWbWqfhHtL3ZKPuhZAuIU1KZxVFJuHD+RH89uZ2GULgQdZWhecHvjoOii8THZIbl1Jpb1JLYABsg1sE5l/Mg97UzgIVfdiM9rI0HwKwllJvdrw3kRO40CEACk= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:09:37 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How does he do it? In-Reply-To: <002a01c5c2c1$10f81e60$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <002a01c5c2c1$10f81e60$9715be18@oemcomputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:09:37 +0000 (UTC) Yes, the Headrush has a separate dry out, along with all its effected outs. Creative mixer channel application could allow you to do that. On 9/26/05, Douglas Baldwin wrote: > I don't have my Headrush in front of me, but I *think* you can access jus= t > the *effect* output. Mister Dosh apparently simultaneously mutes the loop= ed > stuff and continues to play in real time at that one point in the > performance. With the effect out routed to one channel and the "real time= " > sound routed to another, you could do that pretty easily. > dB, coyote > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 26 19:27:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E7D03BEF4; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 19:27:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BRyBIecdkuPgReP6MM13cu1btiu8Oa7Gnk8mxsLoTRuf1CvcShrUiA7VnzKrLbgrY66WTyhsXFBGxolDxP8e6eKW1dTfuPa0pWjKg0/1wsnnf8PraXcdUSG3fkU/D2GvNXuDgtaFd0WXQOmNappnfukIBLkUbWmXMD1o3zAQAms= ; Message-ID: <20050926192728.51009.qmail@web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:27:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: Oskar Sala: The German Moog To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-578470786-1127762847=:50863" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 19:27:29 +0000 (UTC) --0-578470786-1127762847=:50863 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Check this guy out...Oskar Sala, the German Moog. http://furious.com/perfect/ohm/oskarsala.html You can hear mp3s @Amazon.de - esp. check out "Subharmonische Mixturen"- the science of synthesized subharmonics. Monica Asgard Guitars "guitar technology for the new emerging edge..." coolintensity@yahoo.com coolintensity1@aol.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-578470786-1127762847=:50863 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Check this guy out...Oskar Sala, the German Moog.
 
 
You can hear mp3s @Amazon.de - esp. check out "Subharmonische Mixturen"-
the science of synthesized subharmonics.
 
Monica


 
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"guitar technology for the new emerging edge..."
                                                   

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Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-578470786-1127762847=:50863-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 26 19:35:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F2173BEFA; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 19:35:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PGB57PJ5ub378/kwiB5huYCYJo/eb71AtuqdntnpGwRSyadExU5Qt845raMvzcOHRchY297NL60zKLaUtv3sr/74OctUL8bfobnSKtXyIgPfOX6UB23S2a5nbvuRoVTArSCSC+heDD9ITysI0aMEjc1KvEjeOZV/JE06vHM1IXw= ; Message-ID: <20050926193537.43743.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:35:36 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Repeater OS2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 19:35:38 +0000 (UTC) Electrix is doing exactly the same thing they did last time. Gab gab gab about a launch and then disappear after that date is missed. Perhaps they'll be a Repeater MK2 or an OS2 in our future, but don't bet on it. Mark --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > As long as they're not using the same forecasting > group for the > software that they have been for the hardware > availability, they > should be fine... > > On 9/22/05, Fabio Anile > wrote: > > > > Hi loopers, > > yesterday I got this e.mail from the repeater > -users group reported from the > > electrix forum > > I think there are a lot of people interested in > this, and I'm curious to > > know how much > > of the wishlist, electrix will bring in the new > OS2. > > > > Hi M-, > > There is a bit of good news, the new OS2 will be > ready in the next > > week or > > two and we're working on a plan to make it > available for a small > > cocost to > > exiting Repeater users which will make your old > version work like a > > new one. > > > > Hope that helps, > > John > > > > > > fabio anile > > http://xoomer.virgilio.it/eterogeneo/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > Nota di riservatezza : Il presente messaggio, > corredato dei relativi > > allegati, contiene informazioni da considerarsi > strettamente riservate, ed è > > destinato esclusivamente al destinatario sopra > indicato, il quale è l'unico > > autorizzato ad usarlo, copiarlo e, sotto la > propria responsabilità, > > diffonderlo. 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Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 26 19:51:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C2E93BEFA; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 19:51:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=PsG1d8DqIUY5+FbfYSCZv+AtIVQF0+othvIaNs3Bq4x3kA1zkIUeZccdo1xPFELv08r4xlpPnzgh/lIII7HZ6Afx5bHU8QPpY9SZziMHzq0Ydp3BfWQCjRl4jnPgSOd1InosrJzJciEWkMCZpnNNe8LTTB9IC370QPBC+h7bi/g= Message-ID: <250b5234050926125112c88ea7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:51:05 -0300 From: tadeu barboza Reply-To: tadeu barboza To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lexicon Jamman power supply? In-Reply-To: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC88FA@lon-oxmail02> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4284_4569347.1127764265633" References: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC88FA@lon-oxmail02> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 19:51:08 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4284_4569347.1127764265633 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Ops!!! I thought Michael he had already sort out an 110>220 euro volts device and was just having problems to get the adapter plug!! Sorry!! KOBNA BRAZIL. On 9/26/05, goddard.duncan@mtvne.com wrote: > > >> a power outlet that goes from dual American pin to three "monstrous" > UK style of plug, :) << > noo-oo-oo-oo! the voltage is different..... he'd fry his wallwart with > our 230 eurovolts. > the original lexicon jamman is a bit fussy about it's power anyway. mr > sellon says that sometimes the supplied psu isn't adequate, & my own > experience is that this will almost certainly happen when you are on stag= e. > I can't see why this is, because when the 9V ac gets into the box, it's > rectified & turned into 5V. so 9V should be plenty, but it often isn't. I > suspect (as with some alesis gear) that the 5V reg isn't the end of the > story, & that some of the 9V ac (or possibly even dc) goes somewhere else > inside the thing aswell. > anyway. point is, all you need is something that can chuck out 9-10V ac > from an input of 230V ac. > if you don't want to buy a downconverter- which would a) seem like a > sledgehammer to crack a nut & b) leave the risk of plugging the US wallwa= rt > in without it's little helper one day- & it's beyond the wit of your loca= l > maplin to find a suitable device, let me know off-list. I believe I have = a > spare. > d. > > > > *************************************************************************= ** > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user > of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also > be privileged. 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I thought Michael he had already sort out an 110>220 euro volts device a= nd was just having problems to get the adapter plug!!

Sorry!!

KOBNA BRAZIL.



On 9/26/05, goddard.duncan@mtvne.co= m <goddard.duncan@mt= vne.com > wrote:
 = ;>> a power outlet that goes from=20 dual American pin to three "monstrous" UK style of plug, :)=  <<
 
noo-o= o-oo-oo! the voltage is different..... he'd fry his wallwart=20 with our 230 eurovolts.
 
the o= riginal lexicon jamman is a bit fussy about it's power=20 anyway. mr sellon says that sometimes the supplied psu isn't adequate, &= ; my=20 own experience is that this will almost certainly happen when you are on st= age.=20 I can't see why this is, because when the 9V ac gets into the box, it's=20 rectified & turned into 5V. so 9V should be plenty, but it often isn't.= I=20 suspect (as with some alesis gear) that the 5V reg isn't the end of the sto= ry,=20 & that some of the 9V ac (or possibly even dc) goes somewhere else insi= de=20 the thing aswell.
 
anywa= y. point is, all you need is something that can chuck out=20 9-10V ac from an input of 230V ac.
 
if yo= u don't want to buy a downconverter- which would a) seem like=20 a sledgehammer to crack a nut & b) leave the risk of plugging the US=20 wallwart in without it's little helper one day- & it's beyond the wit o= f=20 your local maplin to find a suitable device, let me know off-list. I believ= e I=20 have a spare.
 
d.


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------=_Part_4284_4569347.1127764265633-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 26 20:16:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A77FD3BEF5; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:16:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 14:16:09 -0600 Message-Id: <200509262016.j8QKG9C12521@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: Repeater OS2 X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.19.192 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:16:14 +0000 (UTC) What's up with resurecting a dead company only to repeat the same mistakes again? I hear the prices will be lower this time around though. Kevin > Electrix is doing exactly the same thing they did last > time. Gab gab gab about a launch and then disappear > after that date is missed. Perhaps they'll be a > Repeater MK2 or an OS2 in our future, but don't bet on > it. > > Mark > How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 26 22:05:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F01703BEFC; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:05:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ybIBI5dy+f5cvFmn3s2MlKHeKHBhr1Q9WbmtpTmczngU5G90zX2iyu22yO+MUvbhK5dR7jUHB/emXVxbd2bhkZiwMJAkm5aQt/tzlzuw4iAROeBYZqZNnaSwnjcB+5/sNbH13X3x5mUsOcYqr85VTl+5pydglE7sxABsujMvhls= ; Message-ID: <20050926210529.42727.qmail@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 14:05:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: How does he do it? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:05:34 +0000 (UTC) It sure looks like he's got his looper in an aux send of that mixer to his left, in which case it'd be pretty easy to route which of the inputs gets into the loop. -t- --- Erland wrote: > In the press section it says that he uses the > Headrush for a looper. > ( http://www.anticon.com/press.htm#dosh ) Of course > he cøuld be using > something else for this. > I don't really understand what you mean by what you > said. Wouldn't > that just mute everything? > Erland > > On Sep 25, 2005, at 12:02 PM, Douglas Baldwin wrote: > > > Where does it state that Dosh is using a Headrush > in this video? > > I can't see what he's using in the setup behind > his head, but he > > *could* be > > using a 'rush, simply turning the output off at > that dropout point, > > then > > turning it back on. Looks like maybe aa footswitch > is under the > > keyboard to > > his left...? > > Great video, great presentation of looping. > > -db, coyote > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Erland" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 1:13 PM > > Subject: How does he do it? > > > > > > > >> Any idea how this guy Dosh is putting effects > onto just the drums if > >> he's using an Akai Headrush pedal? > http://www.anticon.com/dosh.mov > >> (At ca. 1:35) I think it's a Boss delay pedal? > Does the Headrush have > >> a metronome like the LoopStation, or is it a DL-4 > type trigger? I > >> can't seeing him stomping anywhere. Also > according to the video it > >> seems like the Headrush has multiple undos. I > can't find any of these > >> functions on Headrush info pages. > >> > >> > ----------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> erland > >> > >> http://www.erlandonline.com > >> http://www.myspace.com/erland > >> > >> > > > > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 26 22:11:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EF063BF01; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:11:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UiWnuECJGiddzEE1Hr387/y/opDUwPtd5ibwvRkSwGU6OVTzN50YHmyiOWyignUV3V84TidYupraOH4pFqIfxib5rwOnJ3jGVmDELoD7ygAamQpg1EU7Ps8Q57h5gBJYDLo18YKetrqXKHPw0AreKtQ3APXtWHhnN5ho88tjgz0= ; Message-ID: <20050926221130.81470.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:11:29 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Repeater OS2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200509262016.j8QKG9C12521@minds-eye.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:11:37 +0000 (UTC) A little cheaper, yes, but vaporware... I'll believe it when I see the charge from Alto music on my card. --- Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > What's up with resurecting a dead company only to > repeat the same > mistakes again? I hear the prices will be lower > this time around though. > > Kevin > > > Electrix is doing exactly the same thing they did > last > > time. Gab gab gab about a launch and then > disappear > > after that date is missed. Perhaps they'll be a > > Repeater MK2 or an OS2 in our future, but don't > bet on > > it. > > > > Mark > > > How amazing, how amazing! > Hard to comprehend that > Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. > It simply cannot be heard with the ear, > But when sound is heard with the eye, > Then it is understood. > - Tung-shan (807-869) > > Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 26 22:19:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C5B43BEF0; Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:19:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: "Descent to Self" Now Available on CD! Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 14:57:13 -0600 Message-ID: <011701c5c2dc$e1e7b6a0$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0118_01C5C2AA.974D46A0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-SpamDetect: **: 2.300000 URL contains username and (optional) password=1.3,Jpegs in urls=1.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 170, in=459, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:19:35 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0118_01C5C2AA.974D46A0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0119_01C5C2AA.974D46A0" ------=_NextPart_001_0119_01C5C2AA.974D46A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello All - My new solo CD "Descent to Self" is now available in physical format and is for sale at the Record Exchange here in Boise and online at CD Baby: http://www.cdbaby.com/krispen3 Descent to Self is a musical and introspective exploration of ideas inspired by themes such as theoretical physics, science fiction, mathematics, and philosophy. By means of real-time looping technology, Krispen Hartung weaves an avant-garde and improvisational tapestry of sounds that are colorful, innovative, and mood provoking. This instrumental work showcases Hartung's ability to fuse avant-garde jazz, experimental, and ambient music into a multi-faceted musical experience. Reviews "Awe inspiring. The atmospheric bed you laid is a hauntingly beautiful foundation for some emotionally charged guitar fx. A blissfully meditative piece. Great guitar work and improvisational skills!" - Valkir "Really very good. The guitar solo part is fantastic, you really sound like you are an accomplished player. Was not expecting to like this as usually try to avoid the guitar but was pleasantly surprised." - DRT "Ok this is STUNNING I'm speechless. What can you say BUT JUST EXCELLENT. Too many things here to complement. Talented to the MAX. Cheers." - Kat Speel Learn more about the Descent to Self, view CD artwork, and download the entire CD in MP3 format for free here: http://www.krispenhartung.com/descent Cheers, Kris ************************************************************************ ********************** Krispen Hartung Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 Subscribe to email list: krispenhartung-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Performance Calendar: http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartu ng Gear setup: http://www.krispenhartung.com/gear.htm Over 80 free MP3s: http://www.krispenhartung.com/mp3.htm ------=_NextPart_001_0119_01C5C2AA.974D46A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
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My new solo = CD "Descent=20 to Self" is now available in physical format and is for = sale at the Record Exchange here in Boise = and online=20 at CD Baby: http://www.cdbaby.com/krispen3



Descent to=20 Self is a=20 musical and introspective = exploration=20 of ideas inspired by themes such as theoretical physics, science = fiction,=20 mathematics, and philosophy. By means of real-time looping technology, = Krispen=20 Hartung weaves an avant-garde and improvisational tapestry of sounds = that are=20 colorful, innovative, and mood provoking. This instrumental work = showcases=20 Hartung's ability to fuse avant-garde jazz, experimental, and ambient = music into=20 a multi-faceted musical experience.

Reviews

"Awe inspiring. The atmospheric bed = you laid is=20 a hauntingly beautiful foundation for some emotionally charged guitar = fx. A=20 blissfully meditative piece. = Great=20 guitar work and improvisational skills!" - Valkir =

"Really very good.  The guitar = solo part is=20 fantastic, you really sound like you are an accomplished player. Was not = expecting to like this as usually try to avoid the guitar but was = pleasantly=20 surprised." - DRT

"Ok this is STUNNING I'm speechless. What = can you=20 say BUT JUST EXCELLENT. Too many things here to complement. Talented to = the MAX.=20 Cheers." - Kat Speel 

Learn more about=20 the Descent to=20 Self, view CD=20 artwork, and download the entire=20 CD in MP3 format for free here: http://www.krispenhartung.com/descent

Cheers,

Kris

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Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping = Guitarist
http://www.krispenhartung.com
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Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 04:03:41 +0000 (UTC) http://www.livejournal.com/users/andrelafosse/12512.html Congratulations! Bernhard wonderful!.....major congrats andre!.....mic http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 27 06:11:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF9BC3BEF3; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 06:11:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "'Matthias Grob'" Cc: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Michael Peters interface modes Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:09:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcXDJ/gin/GJe5AdSMOII4CbUnfp1wAAbs2w X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:02:00 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.101.164 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <20050927061105.342063BEE0@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 06:11:08 +0000 (UTC) > yes, Markus worked as betatester and as it seems he never got the final version, so we will have to send you one... talked to Markus yesterday. He has got the final chips, he just hadn't put them in yet. He will send them to me so I'll be able to use the new modes soon. Thanks Matthias! -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 27 10:48:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A34693BEEA; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:48:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-83.messagelabs.com!1127818107!24059452!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC8904@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Repeater OS2 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:49:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5C351.217992B0" Resent-Message-ID: <9SYOfB.A.3_F._NSODB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 10:48:31 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. 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>> I'll believe it when I see the charge from Alto music on my card.<<

I'll believe it when it's bolted into my rack, not a second before. :-)

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 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5C351.217992B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 27 11:41:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7606A3BEF7; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:41:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <8C8CA68A-3295-4041-BA05-EB9F0C50DC94@cableaz.com> References: <20050926165002.E41673BEFB@arsenic.violacea.com> <8C8CA68A-3295-4041-BA05-EB9F0C50DC94@cableaz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <3CEB6C98-2F4C-11DA-8F9F-000A95F0101C@dartington.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael Bassett Subject: Re: Lexicon Jamman power supply? Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:45:44 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:41:19 +0000 (UTC) Adam, Thank you very much for this offer. I've been generously offered a power-supply for this unit and I'm going to accept. Again, thanks and best wishes, Michael b On 26 Sep 2005, at 18:46, :: rds8000 :: wrote: > Hello > > I have a 220V UK power supply for the Jamman if you are interested. I > actually have two if anyone else is interested in the other. I bought > two jammans from the UK and have no need for the adapters > > $25 shipped sound fair? I can do Money Order or PayPal. > > Adam > -------------------------------- Internet: www.michaelbassett.org Europe: Dartington College of Arts Higher Close, Totnes Devon, UK TQ9 6EJ North America: 1 West 89th St. Apt. 7W NY NY 10024 USA From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 27 17:57:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B69C23BEF1; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:57:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43398820.4030904@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 19:57:52 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater OS2 References: <200509262016.j8QKG9C12521@minds-eye.org> In-Reply-To: <200509262016.j8QKG9C12521@minds-eye.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 17:57:54 +0000 (UTC) Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: >What's up with resurecting a dead company only to repeat the same >mistakes again? I hear the prices will be lower this time around though. > >Kevin > > > >>Electrix is doing exactly the same thing they did last >>time. Gab gab gab about a launch and then disappear >>after that date is missed. Perhaps they'll be a >>Repeater MK2 or an OS2 in our future, but don't bet on >>it. >> >>Mark >> >> >> >How amazing, how amazing! >Hard to comprehend that >Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. >It simply cannot be heard with the ear, >But when sound is heard with the eye, >Then it is understood. >- Tung-shan (807-869) > >Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org > > >. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 27 18:58:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03A563BEF0; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 18:58:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43399653.4080705@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 20:58:27 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater OS2 References: <200509262016.j8QKG9C12521@minds-eye.org> <43398820.4030904@post.cybercity.dk> In-Reply-To: <43398820.4030904@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 18:58:29 +0000 (UTC) hmm. Something went wrong with my post.. what I meant to say about Electrix was: This says a lot about the need for more competition on the high-end looping market. A company like Electrix can really screw people over, and still expect them to be there when the product's finally finished... Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 27 18:59:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B5A43BEFC; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 18:59:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CkPvhfXpLj7Cra5OoX+0uQta99BEDRbl/NrgGxnDdg6STObtFJoLOpvQpAOE18ZhV8cgngqOfTi+26qnlRGvi8yjUET7yQ3ru/hWLX8Awj5DsLv03snN31AVZ78Jr4/hrQ4npkQNwyD142i3Xi6A8TKMMfELEujfXIxvUbua6xU= ; Message-ID: <20050927185907.45616.qmail@web50814.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:59:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Janosik Subject: Digitech GNX4 Looper To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-33441239-1127847547=:44906" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 18:59:09 +0000 (UTC) --0-33441239-1127847547=:44906 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I just bought a Digitech GNX4-not necessarily for the looping function, but rather for the overall wealth of features. I have to say, I am fairly impressed with the capabilities of this thing. I've just barely listened to all the Presets and have enjoyed a fair number of them right out of the box. Looking forward to try out its looping feature (as soon as I pick up a Compact Flash card). I haven't heard this device discussed much on this board. Are there any folks using this unit? Regards, J. --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-33441239-1127847547=:44906 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I just bought a Digitech GNX4-not necessarily for the looping function, but rather for the overall wealth of features. I have to say, I am fairly impressed with the capabilities of this thing. I've just barely listened to all the Presets and have enjoyed a fair number of them right out of the box. Looking forward to try out its looping feature (as soon as I pick up a Compact Flash card).
 
I haven't heard this device discussed much on this board. Are there any folks using this unit?
 
Regards, J.

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Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-33441239-1127847547=:44906-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 27 19:12:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A69F3BEFF; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 19:12:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: Repeater OS2 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:12:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcXDlXMwouHmvN39RkuUUg/NWO9PhwAAPuTA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <43399653.4080705@post.cybercity.dk> Message-Id: <20050927191158.1491A3BEC1@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2e9FkB.A.3tE.AmZODB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 19:12:00 +0000 (UTC) I wish I could be convinced that there is a big enough opportunity. A key 'father of looping products' and I have discussed a high-end hardware looper based on embedded linux to promote looping gear to the next level. But how many unit would really sell? It is quite an undertaking for something that a few of us would use. I use a repeater and hope to see them get this out the door. It's got digital i/o, stereo loops, storage, a good UI and other features that set it apart from a lot of the other products out there. -----Original Message----- From: Andreas Wetterberg [mailto:awetterberg@post.cybercity.dk] Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 2:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater OS2 hmm. Something went wrong with my post.. what I meant to say about Electrix was: This says a lot about the need for more competition on the high-end looping market. A company like Electrix can really screw people over, and still expect them to be there when the product's finally finished... Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 27 19:58:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1A963BEF7; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 19:58:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:58:49 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Repeater OS2 In-reply-to: <43399653.4080705@post.cybercity.dk> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4339A479.2030907@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <200509262016.j8QKG9C12521@minds-eye.org> <43398820.4030904@post.cybercity.dk> <43399653.4080705@post.cybercity.dk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 19:58:55 +0000 (UTC) Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > This says a lot about the need for more competition on the high-end > looping market. A company like Electrix can really screw people over, > and still expect them to be there when the product's finally finished... I think it says more about the size of the high-end looping market. Niche markets are typically served by small companies fighting to stay alive. I have no idea what Electrix's situation is, but I doubt that they are deliberately trying to screw people over. It's more likely they're having operating capital "issues". They're not expecting customers to be there, they are *desperately hoping* they will be there. Be kind to the boutique vendors, because Korg, Roland, and Yamaha aren't going to serve you. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 27 19:59:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8786A3BF01; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 19:59:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=YB5A151YtK35jHd/62CllrD66T+lbN6pmKT7tBY3lsjBXR9M+0SvHJemSGjjab/t8BHcUUve+/ZSQqYvGMKX0Y8evCNjhQRUzqVAxqca0UOcsY8UKIxjHgrrJPk3VM+z2lMUz/PDkGAKDW6wvJO7czxtlB8fbIhvqzGbaAMMWno= ; Message-ID: <20050927195937.23270.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:59:37 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Repeater OS2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <43399653.4080705@post.cybercity.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 19:59:38 +0000 (UTC) Nah, it's not just high end looper market. Tons of products see the same types of issues. I've been watching Access Virus fans lamenting about the year late Virus TI synth. Very similar situation. Company was all, "blah blah blah, our cool new synth is coming in a few weeks!" and after they missed that ship date they were more or less silent for a year. Supposed to ship next month on the 3rd, but they lost my business. Instead of an upgrade I ended up getting a Monomachine instead. Mark --- Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > hmm. Something went wrong with my post.. what I > meant to say about > Electrix was: > > This says a lot about the need for more competition > on the high-end > looping market. A company like Electrix can really > screw people over, > and still expect them to be there when the product's > finally finished... > > Andreas > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 27 20:08:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82A833BF05; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 20:08:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0ZwIGRw3h2Y41trplo3Fu54oJAFyaSBNn/1CIoGcnRF7n+YJYp5RMGhNeKQPRtQD4A8YR0L0utrASqu1CLoxqLRxrphY8MMz/HJm73umShL28PvtXmNj7J4u4dT21d3uD1G8RhAtocJustbwlNlYHTSBtQOxvHDb3G3wsbTi94Q= ; Message-ID: <20050927200802.89663.qmail@web52814.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:08:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re: Repeater OS2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4339A479.2030907@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 20:08:04 +0000 (UTC) true,besides The Repeater and the EDP are simply the best hardware loopers outhere. cheers Luis --- Jeff Larson wrote: > Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > > This says a lot about the need for more > competition on the high-end > > looping market. A company like Electrix can > really screw people over, > > and still expect them to be there when the > product's finally finished... > > I think it says more about the size of the high-end > looping market. > Niche markets are typically served by small > companies fighting to stay > alive. I have no idea what Electrix's situation is, > but I doubt that > they are deliberately trying to screw people over. > It's more likely > they're having operating capital "issues". They're > not expecting > customers to be there, they are *desperately hoping* > they will be there. > Be kind to the boutique vendors, because Korg, > Roland, and Yamaha aren't > going to serve you. > > Jeff > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 27 22:01:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EE083BEFA; Tue, 27 Sep 2005 22:01:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Repeater OS2 Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:01:23 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20050927195937.23270.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 22:01:24 +0000 (UTC) Ok I gotta chime in, I spent the last few months since I couldn't find the Electrix Booth at NAMM quietly buying up all of the Repeaters on E-Bay as the prices dropped, Now I will be able to make millions when the new Repeaters fail to materialize. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha (demonic blood curdling laugh) BUT SERIOUSLY FOLKS. I think that what Jeff said is right on the money. It is a really volatile market right now, and niche products in general are having a tough go. Perhaps it is time for everyone serious about a repeater to e-mail Electrix again, though I'm not sure that will help. I am suprised though, that they decided to come back with most of their models, instead of just concentrating on the Repeater, like the company that makes the Boomerang. As much as I'm convinced that the days of hardware high end loopers are numbered, I'm just hoping that there will always be some demand. I also take heart in the fact that, if all I had to loop with was a Line 6 DL4, or two, I'd still be a happy loopoing fool. Bill -----Original Message----- From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 1:00 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repeater OS2 Nah, it's not just high end looper market. Tons of products see the same types of issues. I've been watching Access Virus fans lamenting about the year late Virus TI synth. Very similar situation. Company was all, "blah blah blah, our cool new synth is coming in a few weeks!" and after they missed that ship date they were more or less silent for a year. Supposed to ship next month on the 3rd, but they lost my business. Instead of an upgrade I ended up getting a Monomachine instead. Mark --- Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > hmm. Something went wrong with my post.. what I > meant to say about > Electrix was: > > This says a lot about the need for more competition > on the high-end > looping market. A company like Electrix can really > screw people over, > and still expect them to be there when the product's > finally finished... > > Andreas > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 28 06:12:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A61C73BEFE; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 06:12:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20050927195937.23270.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050927195937.23270.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <33d628335de03457acafdb764baf6494@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: Re: Repeater OS2 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 01:12:15 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 06:12:20 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 27, 2005, at 2:59 PM, mark sottilaro wrote: > products see the same types of issues. I've been > watching Access Virus fans lamenting about the year > late Virus TI synth. Very similar situation. Company yeah. i think the bottom line is "keep your trap shut until you ship". --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 28 11:54:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C474B3BEF7; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 11:54:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.1.0 From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: REQ: loop devices and amps for busking Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:53:48 +0200 Message-ID: <01a001c5c423$4e7272f0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 11:54:09 +0000 (UTC) Hi I'm trying to find out which battery-operated loop devices and amps = exist. (I mean portable and independent of wall outlet... for busking!) >From http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/tools.html I collected: Line6 DL-4 Boss Gigadelay DD-20 Akai E2 Headrush Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Digital Delay Peavey PVDJ=20 Boomerang Boomerang So far, I know the DL-4, Gigadelay DD-20 are battery operable but I'm = not sure about the others. Maybe it could make sense to add this criterion (battery-operable or = not) to the "Tools of the Trade" pages? Are there any other battery-operated loop devices? I'm not mentioning the Boss RC-20 and RC-20XL because they don't allow = to control Feedback: it's always at 100%, right? In this vein I'd be interested in experiences of other musicians on this list with battery-based looping, including portable amps... E.g. Gary Lehmann seems to be experienced in this? http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200404/msg00085.html Thank you Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 28 11:59:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C641D3BEFF; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 11:59:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,154,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="1610033072:sNHT47654032" In-Reply-To: <01a001c5c423$4e7272f0$2101a8c0@alhambra> References: <01a001c5c423$4e7272f0$2101a8c0@alhambra> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: REQ: loop devices and amps for busking Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 06:59:16 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: <-jgtdD.A.AMH.YWoODB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 11:59:20 +0000 (UTC) Don't forget the ZVex Lo-Fi! It will fit in your pocket, too. (The Boomerang is AC only. I can't speak to the others.) On Sep 28, 2005, at 6:53 AM, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > Hi > > I'm trying to find out which battery-operated loop devices and amps > exist. > (I mean portable and independent of wall outlet... for busking!) > > From http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/tools.html I collected: > Line6 DL-4 > Boss Gigadelay DD-20 > Akai E2 Headrush > Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Digital Delay > Peavey PVDJ > Boomerang Boomerang > > So far, I know the DL-4, Gigadelay DD-20 are battery operable but > I'm not > sure about the others. > Maybe it could make sense to add this criterion (battery-operable > or not) to > the "Tools of the Trade" pages? > > Are there any other battery-operated loop devices? > I'm not mentioning the Boss RC-20 and RC-20XL because they don't > allow to > control Feedback: it's always at 100%, right? > > In this vein I'd be interested in experiences of other musicians on > this > list with battery-based looping, including portable amps... > > E.g. Gary Lehmann seems to be experienced in this? > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200404/msg00085.html > > Thank you > Bernhard > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 28 12:29:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 504BE3BF00; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:29:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:29:01 +0200 From: "Torstein H. Rem" Subject: Re: loop devices and amps for busking To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000601c5c428$3547c8c0$0300000a@remwavesnet> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <01a001c5c423$4e7272f0$2101a8c0@alhambra> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:29:06 +0000 (UTC) Battery operated 1/2 watt amp http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=103173 Batteries last for a long time in the LoFI LJ. Wouldn`t the DL-4 and DD-20 eat batteries for breakfast? T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 1:53 PM Subject: REQ: loop devices and amps for busking Hi I'm trying to find out which battery-operated loop devices and amps exist. (I mean portable and independent of wall outlet... for busking!) >From http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/tools.html I collected: Line6 DL-4 Boss Gigadelay DD-20 Akai E2 Headrush Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Digital Delay Peavey PVDJ Boomerang Boomerang So far, I know the DL-4, Gigadelay DD-20 are battery operable but I'm not sure about the others. Maybe it could make sense to add this criterion (battery-operable or not) to the "Tools of the Trade" pages? Are there any other battery-operated loop devices? I'm not mentioning the Boss RC-20 and RC-20XL because they don't allow to control Feedback: it's always at 100%, right? In this vein I'd be interested in experiences of other musicians on this list with battery-based looping, including portable amps... E.g. Gary Lehmann seems to be experienced in this? http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200404/msg00085.html Thank you Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 28 12:47:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD5A23BF05; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:47:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: loop devices and amps for busking Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 06:46:53 -0600 Message-ID: <017101c5c42a$b748a8b0$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: <01a001c5c423$4e7272f0$2101a8c0@alhambra> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 172, in=464, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 12:47:08 +0000 (UTC) I've been thinking of getting one of these for street corner gigs: http://www.rolandus.com/products/details.asp?catid=7&subcatid=32&prodid= Micro+Cube Has DSP effects too! Krs -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Wagner LD [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 5:54 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: REQ: loop devices and amps for busking Hi I'm trying to find out which battery-operated loop devices and amps exist. (I mean portable and independent of wall outlet... for busking!) >From http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/tools.html I collected: Line6 DL-4 Boss Gigadelay DD-20 Akai E2 Headrush Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Digital Delay Peavey PVDJ Boomerang Boomerang So far, I know the DL-4, Gigadelay DD-20 are battery operable but I'm not sure about the others. Maybe it could make sense to add this criterion (battery-operable or not) to the "Tools of the Trade" pages? Are there any other battery-operated loop devices? I'm not mentioning the Boss RC-20 and RC-20XL because they don't allow to control Feedback: it's always at 100%, right? In this vein I'd be interested in experiences of other musicians on this list with battery-based looping, including portable amps... E.g. Gary Lehmann seems to be experienced in this? http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200404/msg00085.html Thank you Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 28 13:35:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 435883BF00; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:35:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <433A9B48.2000506@soundscapes.us> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 09:31:52 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: REQ: loop devices and amps for busking References: <01a001c5c423$4e7272f0$2101a8c0@alhambra> In-Reply-To: <01a001c5c423$4e7272f0$2101a8c0@alhambra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:35:01 +0000 (UTC) Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: >Hi > >I'm trying to find out which battery-operated loop devices and amps exist. >(I mean portable and independent of wall outlet... for busking!) > >From http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/tools.html I collected: >Akai E2 Headrush >Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Digital Delay >Peavey PVDJ >Boomerang Boomerang > > The Headrush is wall wart operation only, no batteries. Boss RC-20 Loop Station is battery operated. Cheers, Bill >Are there any other battery-operated loop devices? >I'm not mentioning the Boss RC-20 and RC-20XL because they don't allow to >control Feedback: it's always at 100%, right? > > Boss RC-20 doesn't have a feedback control as it is not a delay unit. All it does is sample loops and that's it... except for the oneshot sample in memory slot 11. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 28 13:56:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D000F3BF02; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:56:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:01:29 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] REQ: loop devices and amps for busking In-Reply-To: <01a001c5c423$4e7272f0$2101a8c0@alhambra> Message-ID: References: <01a001c5c423$4e7272f0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:56:11 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, 28 Sep 2005, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > Hi > > I'm trying to find out which battery-operated loop devices and amps exist. > (I mean portable and independent of wall outlet... for busking!) > >> From http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/tools.html I collected: > Line6 DL-4 > Boss Gigadelay DD-20 > > Akai E2 Headrush No (and E1 as well: also No) > Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Digital Delay No (reissue, I don't know about the original) > Peavey PVDJ ? > Boomerang Boomerang No Digitech Jamman No H&K Replex No Big Briar MF-104 No Moog Music MF-104Z, MF-104SD No Z-Vex Lo-Fi Loop Junky Yes > So far, I know the DL-4, Gigadelay DD-20 are battery operable but I'm not > sure about the others. > Maybe it could make sense to add this criterion (battery-operable or not) to > the "Tools of the Trade" pages? > > Are there any other battery-operated loop devices? > I'm not mentioning the Boss RC-20 and RC-20XL because they don't allow to > control Feedback: it's always at 100%, right? > > In this vein I'd be interested in experiences of other musicians on this > list with battery-based looping, including portable amps... > > E.g. Gary Lehmann seems to be experienced in this? > http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200404/msg00085.html > > Thank you > Bernhard best, Steve B http://www.subscapeannex.com/about_steve.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 28 13:56:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B12B3BEFB; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:56:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nLyjYc3k7K/9ECzwky+Wni46O1K8WniNfBOmn1jki7pOk2ir5Of8FKektyAdgGatfovCeNPwwtMhMhln8xfmo9VMOa+93A3hTXcccNe459TJEzNDOpzA9xFGLcqbMf272m+Vzh17EptL7SOr4iahrHc0P81mHDRIVOZTq/Siowc= Message-ID: <353e2ed805092806565a5e7317@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:56:37 +0100 From: David Morton Reply-To: David Morton To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: REQ: loop devices and amps for busking In-Reply-To: <01a001c5c423$4e7272f0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <01a001c5c423$4e7272f0$2101a8c0@alhambra> Resent-Message-ID: <5HY1XC.A.nIC.WEqODB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:56:38 +0000 (UTC) For battery operation I use either a ZVex LoFi Loop Junky http://www.zvex.com/junky.html or a Boss RC20XL (or both) as the looping device, into an Electro Harmonix Freedom Amp . http://www.ehx.com/ehx2/Default.asp?q=3Df&f=3D%2FCatalog%2F44%5FFreedom%5FA= mp > I'm not mentioning the Boss RC-20 and RC-20XL because they don't allow to > control Feedback: it's always at 100%, right? If you discount the Boss for this reason, then you won't like the ZVex either, since it's the same. Are you sure you're looking for a looper and not a long delay? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 28 15:57:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30E2F3BEF7; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:57:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: loop devices and amps for busking Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:57:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcXEI1w3RXBfQNfMQaeG7/JxImmGeAAHjD1g In-Reply-To: <01a001c5c423$4e7272f0$2101a8c0@alhambra> Message-Id: <20050928155748.ZMKO4527.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:57:52 +0000 (UTC) Yes, I just got rid of a DL-4 as it stopped using battery power on me--probably something about the batteries voiding. I'll get a DD-20 to fill in that blank when I need/can afford to. I don't really do a lot of loop busking, but I do a lot of battery powered amplified gigs with the Minivox by Anchor Audio, which is $220 from these guys http://www.dealtime.com/xPO-Anchor_Audio_Anchor_Audio_Pb_25_Minivox_Battery_ Powered_Handheld_Public_Address_System_With_Wired_Microphone_Pb25 >From my posting of two years ago: >I am sure I like the new, battery powered, loop set up I am | trying--managed acquire a DL4, RC-20, DFX-94 and DigiDelay | last two are 4 second DigiTech pedals) and seem to have a lot of | possibilities using them in series. I have started using a Boss ME-30 near the front of the chain for some reverb--still using the Carvin Stagemate http://www.carvin.com/reviews_comments/S400D.html But I am rather getting used to my stage setup--the Starr Labs doubleneck into a MPX-G2 and a Roland SC-880 with the Echoplex in Aux 1 of the board. Nice to route all audio sources for looping--vox, guitar, tone module (for live and sequences--start getting very DJ when you sample sequences) or the Echo Indigo, a laptop PC audio card I have not yet started using as a source for looping, but which might keep me busy a while--thru the EDP with the turn of a dial and the push of a fader! Gary -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Wagner LD [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 4:54 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: REQ: loop devices and amps for busking Hi I'm trying to find out which battery-operated loop devices and amps exist. (I mean portable and independent of wall outlet... for busking!) >From http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/tools.html I collected: Line6 DL-4 Boss Gigadelay DD-20 Akai E2 Headrush Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Digital Delay Peavey PVDJ Boomerang Boomerang So far, I know the DL-4, Gigadelay DD-20 are battery operable but I'm not sure about the others. Maybe it could make sense to add this criterion (battery-operable or not) to the "Tools of the Trade" pages? Are there any other battery-operated loop devices? I'm not mentioning the Boss RC-20 and RC-20XL because they don't allow to control Feedback: it's always at 100%, right? In this vein I'd be interested in experiences of other musicians on this list with battery-based looping, including portable amps... E.g. Gary Lehmann seems to be experienced in this? http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200404/msg00085.html Thank you Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 28 16:22:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D258A3BF13; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 16:22:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <01a001c5c423$4e7272f0$2101a8c0@alhambra> References: <01a001c5c423$4e7272f0$2101a8c0@alhambra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: REQ: loop devices and amps for busking Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 10:30:02 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: <1zDTBB.A.LuG.TNsODB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 16:22:43 +0000 (UTC) No feedback control in the "recording" mode. Still usefull for rythmic/ static loops. I use mine after the DD20 in order to capture rythmic snippetts from the DD20. Has a semi usefull loop fade function but it's way too quick....- paul On Sep 28, 2005, at 5:53 AM, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > I'm not mentioning the Boss RC-20 and RC-20XL because they don't allow > to > control Feedback: it's always at 100%, right? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 28 18:24:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C2613BEFE; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 18:24:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00bb01c5c459$deba1e40$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Repeater OS2 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:20:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 18:24:24 +0000 (UTC) > numbered, I'm just hoping that there will always be some demand. I also > take > heart in the fact that, if all I had to loop with was a Line 6 DL4, or > two, > I'd still be a happy loopoing fool. I can make an amazing amount of loopy noise with the DL4, GigaDelay, Loopstation, Adrenalinn, Vortex, um... RP2000, RSP550, and all those other odd pedals... :) On another subject... I saw Fripp last night opening for Porcupine Tree in Philly. I really enjoyed the show, although I enjoyed the show at WXPN a few months ago better. The crowd was mostly PorcTree fans, many of whom were very receptive to Fripp. I heard some interesting comments afterwards. Some people were expecting KingCrimson songs, some just hated the soundscapes flat out, some seemed to be surprised and enjoyed it. It was pretty entertaining when Fripp did his last little bit and while the loop was winding down, got up, put his guitar down, watched the video screen (a slide show of his pictures) for a minute, then waved, bowed and left the stage. I heard "what the hell is still playing?" comments from some people. I also heard "damn, that sucked" and "I don't get it" from some. Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 28 20:35:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCFF53BEFF; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 20:35:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=tqpGKkXKwZkwIQSb6CzogAS607G02Aj2Lz/zhVDh6v+2IbNyTOgfgrAt5p0z+FIjWiqm4T4jMnlebQ5ZMPa0kT6tNmB5JRwyp8YZ9pe/wkSKepqlxKwrD9h1F/B6hRLQ7RfZ1Lhfba0A7G7rhk3M2tn0eZTEsHp7H4bVcOnRDTg= ; Message-ID: <20050928203537.3359.qmail@web30510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:35:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: REQ: loop devices and amps for busking To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <01a001c5c423$4e7272f0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <83AfM.A.G6F.a6vODB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 20:35:38 +0000 (UTC) I've battery-busked with various combinations of DL-4 and/or RC20 through a Pignose or a tiny little Smokey amp. By itself, the Pignose is preferable. However, if you use a Smokey to drive a speaker other than the miniature self-contained one, it can sound pretty good too, and surprisingly loud. Also, I remember doing this on separate occasions to see which of the DL4 or RC20 was better on batteries, but I don't remember which one won the contest. As I recall (foggily), either of them was fine for a few hours. The city where I was doing this has an ordinance prohibiting amplified music outdoors (regardless of volume), so I was using acoustic instruments (guitar or sitar) with the amp concealed in a little rucksack, and taking care that the amp's volume was roughly the same as the acoustic instrument's. Of course, the volume pedal and big bright green DL4 with a cable leading into the knapsack would have been a dead giveaway had law enforcement decided to step in. :P -t- __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 28 21:32:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD1A03BF02; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:32:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 0d89bc7285b3d3053b63145439c73090 Received-SPF: pass (soluezi.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.176.10.13 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.176.10.13; envelope-from=matigrob@terra.com.br; helo=[10.1.1.6]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matigrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050926165000.92847.qmail@web32714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050926165000.92847.qmail@web32714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 18:19:24 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: zen and the fluent music Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:32:47 +0000 (UTC) >Whatever you're playing, be there...unless of course it's something >like a very un-zen cover of "Volare" or "Freebird." Then you must stop. who, me? why would I... :-) >Here's a really cool book: Hazrat Inayat Khan: The Mysticism of >Sound and Music. even my academic music history friend admited its one of the most important books about music... about the last book I read, in '85, the year before I started looping... -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 28 21:32:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A0783BF0B; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:32:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 3eb527cf0096f2eb074c835fe3594577 Received-SPF: pass (soluezi.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.176.10.13 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.176.10.13; envelope-from=matigrob@terra.com.br; helo=[10.1.1.6]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matigrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000601c5c428$3547c8c0$0300000a@remwavesnet> References: <01a001c5c423$4e7272f0$2101a8c0@alhambra> <000601c5c428$3547c8c0$0300000a@remwavesnet> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 18:27:44 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: loop devices and amps for busking Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:32:48 +0000 (UTC) well, laptops are battery powered and easy to carry arround... >Battery operated 1/2 watt amp >http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=103173 > >Batteries last for a long time in the LoFI LJ. Wouldn`t the DL-4 and DD-20 eat >batteries for breakfast? > >T. > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" > >To: >Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 1:53 PM >Subject: REQ: loop devices and amps for busking > > >Hi > >I'm trying to find out which battery-operated loop devices and amps exist. >(I mean portable and independent of wall outlet... for busking!) > >From http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/tools.html I collected: >Line6 DL-4 >Boss Gigadelay DD-20 >Akai E2 Headrush >Electro-Harmonix 16 Second Digital Delay >Peavey PVDJ >Boomerang Boomerang > >So far, I know the DL-4, Gigadelay DD-20 are battery operable but I'm not >sure about the others. >Maybe it could make sense to add this criterion (battery-operable or not) to >the "Tools of the Trade" pages? > >Are there any other battery-operated loop devices? >I'm not mentioning the Boss RC-20 and RC-20XL because they don't allow to >control Feedback: it's always at 100%, right? > >In this vein I'd be interested in experiences of other musicians on this >list with battery-based looping, including portable amps... > >E.g. Gary Lehmann seems to be experienced in this? >http://www.loopers-delight.com/LDarchive/200404/msg00085.html > >Thank you >Bernhard -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 28 21:32:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EDB33BF0F; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:32:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 260daec0c7296f9abb9a92a006b127fb Received-SPF: pass (soluezi.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.176.10.13 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.176.10.13; envelope-from=matigrob@terra.com.br; helo=[10.1.1.6]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matigrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <00d301c5c2b3$6eb7a1f0$6801a8c0@khartung> References: <00d301c5c2b3$6eb7a1f0$6801a8c0@khartung> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 18:13:01 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: RE: zen and the fluent music Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:32:49 +0000 (UTC) >Whoops, I confused FB with FCB. Too many damn abbreviations and >acronyms. :) Please debried me privately on what FB is. thnx oh, sorry, for me FeedBack is important and frequent enough to type FB, but thats not an official one :-) >Flow is good.... by coincience I am just half throug listening to your CD off internet and I love it! >"Flow with whatever may happen and let your mind be free. Stay centered >by accepting whatever you are doing. This is the ultimate." - Taoist >quote from Chuang Tzu thank you! Matthias >Kris > >-----Original Message----- >From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matigrob@terra.com.br] >Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 9:50 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: zen and the fluent music > > >Kris said: >>My FB experience is on hold for now. Sure, I got it configured fine to >>work with my EDPs, but I still can't get past its size, plus I'm not >>really using the features that you can access on via MIDI and not the >>EDP controller. > >I dont either >but FB is an analog pedal :-) > >>For instance, if I want to have 6 separate loops, I'll >>just use the Next Loop button on the controller to scroll through them, > >>rather than selecting that loop immediately via MIDI. I'm using my >>Insert function on my EDP controller to trigger reverse on the EDPs, >>but I guess it would be nice to use it for the subsitute function with >>some quantizing. But my music is typically far too organic, free >>flowing, and non-meter like to really benefit from quantizing. Now that > >>I think about it, I don't use quantize for anything when I loop. I >>like to be responsible for my own timing. :) > >thats how I feel, and makes it dificult to use anything but an EDP >because all other units and even the soft copies partly introduce >quantization... >... which I can understand, its terrible to program without >quantization! > >>The half speed function is cool, >>which you can only access via MIDI, but I wouldn't really use that much > >>either. > >yes, it cuts flow for my taste... > >>Right now I'm more interested in getting all I can get with the >>functionality accessible with the EDP controller. I don't want to >>complicate things any more. > >right... we were not talking about complicated things, just a pedal >to flow with FB... you will love it! >-- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 28 21:42:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC4E33BF0D; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:42:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: zen and the fluent music Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:42:03 -0600 Message-ID: <017401c5c475$79ee3840$6801a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 173, in=442, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <0MzmbB.A.B6H.54wODB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:42:17 +0000 (UTC) > by coincience I am just half throug listening to your CD off internet and I love it! > Matthias Excellent. Glad you are liking it! That CD is packed full of songs, 17. I worried initially that I might wear listeners out with amost 80 minutes of music, but I like to give people more music for their money, and folks can always listen to the CD in segments. My next solo CD will be much, much more experimental and from all live performances. This CD was recorded in my studio. What do you think of the CD theme, which is on the web page for the CD? I copied it below. CD Themes Krispen Hartung establishes an intriguing array of conceptual and deeply personal connections between his CD art, song titles, and overall feel of his compositions. For instance, the front CD cover image is a retinal scan of his own eye (windows to his psychological self?), and the CD label image is of his own cells and nuclei (the genetic code or blueprint of his biological self). The CD sleeve contains a poem that depicts Krispen's childhood metaphysical nightmare about a strange and primordial feeling of having his mind compress infinitely unto itself. The song title "Ataraxia," also written in Greek on the back and inside of the CD tray insert, means "tranquility of the soul" in ancient Greek skepticism, which is attained by epoche or "suspension of belief", also written in Greek on the CD tray insert. As a philosophy graduate, Hartung has studied Greek and modern skepticism, and in many respects these systems of thought become apparent and have an impact on his personal life and way of viewing the world. Finally, what is this "descent to self? Is the self down, as in something to which one can descend? Not literally in this context, but metaphorically in that the self here is portrayed as something abstractly inward, yet also downward (as in down to the depths of that which defines one's identity) regardless of the point of departure. Think of a star that has collapsed on to itself and is about to turn into a black hole. Anything that is caught within the gravitational pull of the imploding star literally falls toward its surface, much in the same way that a anything caught by the gravitational pull of our earth can potentially break through the atmosphere and fall (relatively speaking) to the earth's surface; yet in the sense of the imploding star, that which is falling is also being pulled inward, where the center of the black hole is the point of reference. Moreover, this is not meant to be a philosophical explanation of the psyche, but only a metaphorical comparison of a black hole, the descent to self depicted by the CD, and the metaphysical nightmare described in the poem inside the CD sleeve. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 28 21:48:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E0D83BF11; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:48:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: REQ: loop devices and amps for busking Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:48:25 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20050928203537.3359.qmail@web30510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:48:27 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the info. I've been thinking about doing a little guerrilla busking myself and get one of those new little micro cube roland amps which sound pretty darn cool and big for how lite and small they are. You could convince the cops that the DL-4 is how you keep tempo from the flashing lights, and ply them with donuts! but seriously, I have had two recent outdoor gigs that the DL-4 shut itself off when the power source was running brown, i.e. the wall current is less than what is required to optimally run gear. The last gig I had pretty much convinced me of this . We (a five member band) were sharing power with a PA system and a DJ, on one very long ac cable. I also think that the same circuit was being used by the coffee makers, blenders, and god knows what else. My normally clean sound vibrolux was sounding muddy, and I also noticed that the Lexicon MPX100 in my rack was shutting down. The time before that this happened, I was convinced it was the DL-4 malfunctioning, but now after replacing a couple of key components and having the same behaviour happen under the same circumstances....hmmmmmm Anyone else have this problem happen? I think from now on I will put fresh batteries in the DL-4 just in case. And bring my own 100ft power cord. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson [mailto:psychle62@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 1:36 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: REQ: loop devices and amps for busking I've battery-busked with various combinations of DL-4 and/or RC20 through a Pignose or a tiny little Smokey amp. By itself, the Pignose is preferable. However, if you use a Smokey to drive a speaker other than the miniature self-contained one, it can sound pretty good too, and surprisingly loud. Also, I remember doing this on separate occasions to see which of the DL4 or RC20 was better on batteries, but I don't remember which one won the contest. As I recall (foggily), either of them was fine for a few hours. The city where I was doing this has an ordinance prohibiting amplified music outdoors (regardless of volume), so I was using acoustic instruments (guitar or sitar) with the amp concealed in a little rucksack, and taking care that the amp's volume was roughly the same as the acoustic instrument's. Of course, the volume pedal and big bright green DL4 with a cable leading into the knapsack would have been a dead giveaway had law enforcement decided to step in. :P -t- __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 28 21:49:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CFE03BF04; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:49:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 23:49:21 +0200 From: "Torstein H. Rem" Subject: Re: zen and the fluent music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000801c5c476$7c63d6b0$0300000a@remwavesnet> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050926165000.92847.qmail@web32714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0eqBYB.A.vO.j_wODB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:49:23 +0000 (UTC) I have the book. The weird thing, if I remember right, is that Hazrat Inayat Khan himself stopped playing music (instruments) alltogether. Rather he thought all his actions and words were music. :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 11:19 PM Subject: RE: zen and the fluent music > >Whatever you're playing, be there...unless of course it's something >>like a very un-zen cover of "Volare" or "Freebird." Then you must stop. > > who, me? why would I... :-) > >>Here's a really cool book: Hazrat Inayat Khan: The Mysticism of Sound and >>Music. > > even my academic music history friend admited its one of the most > important books about music... about the last book I read, in '85, the > year before I started looping... > > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 28 22:46:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 831F13BEFF; Wed, 28 Sep 2005 22:46:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FQEpm88/ZhtI/+RKhLpMVWsmiAGdIF8/gNNpc/xq5xj/XZI3s+rHrRL62sVskeyY9do2eSU3Z3xyNDfpRhpFfxrAC3Co2+2VXy+S8UUmAMS2em5Lo6Dcn6qBa9hJShcSv3dtRsLQ1lmCSdPyZ5C/NK2Ak7ckqVsiuMtrEAwsqKc= ; Message-ID: <20050928224618.40502.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:46:18 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hansen Subject: OT:recommendation: the Moog documentary.. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050928155752.018A83BEFF@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1520629451-1127947578=:39488" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 22:46:20 +0000 (UTC) --0-1520629451-1127947578=:39488 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit a quick OT rec: just finished watching the doc. on bob moog, very interesting stuff. for those who like the bloops/bleeps etc, kinda fun to see him talk to a wide range of folks who've used the moog synth. also some fun theremin stuff, which is how moog got his start. there was a great quote from moog (paraphrase): improvisation is just a series of wrong notes. thought that was great. and the extra performances on the dvd are most interesting to watch some djs/electronic musicians doing live stuff. saw lots of korg kaoss pads and the boss dr samples hooked up, as well as keyboards/synths.... thought i'd share, definately an enjoyable 70 min of watching & listening.... s---- --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-1520629451-1127947578=:39488 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

a quick OT rec: just finished watching the doc. on bob moog, very interesting stuff.

for those who like the bloops/bleeps etc, kinda fun to see him talk to a wide

range of folks who've used the moog synth. also some fun theremin stuff, which

is how moog got his start.

there was a great quote from moog (paraphrase): improvisation is just a series of wrong notes.

thought that was great.

and the extra performances on the dvd are most interesting to watch some djs/electronic musicians doing live stuff. saw lots of korg kaoss pads and the boss dr samples hooked up, as

well as keyboards/synths....

thought i'd share, definately an enjoyable 70 min of watching & listening....

s----

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Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-1520629451-1127947578=:39488-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 29 02:15:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA3C33BEF1; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 02:15:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:15:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: gettin over on da man! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <12832424.1127960105712.JavaMail.root@vms171.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 02:15:10 +0000 (UTC) >From: Tim Nelson Of course, the >volume pedal and big bright green DL4 with a cable >leading into the knapsack would have been a dead >giveaway had law enforcement decided to step in. :P thanks tim.....the police in my neck-o-da-woods don't take to well to them sneaky busker tricksters.....guyz like u give loopbuskers a bad rap!.....:)m http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 29 02:21:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD6593BF04; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 02:21:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 21:21:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: OT:recommendation: the Moog documentary.. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <21170863.1127960487332.JavaMail.root@vms171.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 02:21:28 +0000 (UTC) >From: scott hansen just finished watching the doc. on bob moog, very interesting stuff. scott.....where?.....m http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 29 03:08:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C45593BF07; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 03:08:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6nwM2NAQsX9oI762imJPUrnPEbHqzgIL/JCtDSutGE5aAl1ewKc4/iU4IM8bzjKZBrt0d++Z12klmeD2Rieg5fHs0ukhfZ8wWa7aQZBLfXvNgax3z0rDWdSE9K5SCOPecZy8Vc5dNGD5f4g4vbLhWQ9xGAz5RJwUFmpyAp59djQ= ; Message-ID: <20050929030858.70735.qmail@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2005 20:08:58 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Repeater OS2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050928155752.018A83BEFF@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 03:08:59 +0000 (UTC) A quick check on eBay shows last week's Repeater sales (4 of them) to go for $380 to $650, all of them in great working order. That's a far cry from the ococcasionalour figures that they were getting around the end of last year... It really says something about the unit that I sold my second one just because the first one did all I needed it to do. After acquiring the second one and trying it out for a while, I found that short of asynchronous loop lengths, there was very little that I wanted to do more with. The greatest use for it was loaning it to band members... Stephen __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 29 07:52:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57B503BEFC; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 07:52:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UMAkkUgTZg8q/+mfXtdYlgAaa+l5F/6F0+UjhpO7gcUypr+g5TPa87BQQdkmIIhx6Nnj3vky0LA7Crv6f2fiLFRY0ZFCnCtPG0NVvHzMxWkF+umg1wZIjmU8N6aq/s+UqePiW2qxSruXR2z9SYPQzLWiI8VrRvmG6irIi/TmLEM= ; Message-ID: <20050929075247.59401.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 00:52:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Luis Angulo Subject: Re:amps for busking To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000601c5c428$3547c8c0$0300000a@remwavesnet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <61tBXD.A.6eB.R15ODB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 07:52:49 +0000 (UTC) The punchiest and cleanest battery operated amp you can probably get(specially designed for acoustic guitar) is the AER 60 watt Compact Mobile,2 channel,reverb,efx loop,DI out,phantom power etc. if you have 1100.- euros to chill out of course check it out cheers Luis --- "Torstein H. Rem" wrote: > Battery operated 1/2 watt amp > http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=103173 > > Batteries last for a long time in the LoFI LJ. > Wouldn`t the DL-4 and DD-20 > eat > batteries for breakfast? > > T. www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 29 09:19:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D22D3BEFF; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:19:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6.2J rev 2.1 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 18:19:33 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: OT gig spam[ Koch-Schutz-Studer Japan Tour 2005 ] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:19:46 +0000 (UTC) Hi LD, This is my great Swiss friend trio, Koch-Schuetz-Studer 1st Japan Tour information! Their music called Hardcore Chambermusic.. Koch-Schutz-Studer (from Switzerland) http://www.koch-schuetz-studer.ch/ - Hans Koch (saxophone, electronics) - Martin Schutz (cello, electronics) - Fredy Studer (drums) ============== [TOKYO] 4th Tue Oct '05 Live at Penguin House, Tokyo TWO OF US Vol.86 Koch-Schutz-Studer http://www.koch-schuetz-studer.ch/ Tadahiko Yokokawa (Guitar,Violin,electronics etc) Sunao Inami (computer, electronics) http://www.cavestudio.com/ 7PM , 2000 yen contacts: Penguin House http://www3.plala.or.jp/FREEDOM/PENGUIN.htm TEL/FAX : 03-3330-6294 E-mail : p_house@lapis.plala.or.jp ============== [TOKYO] 5th Wed Oct '05 Live at Super Deluxe,Tokyo Koch-Schutz-Studer http://www.koch-schuetz-studer.ch/ Sunao Inami (computer, electronics) http://www.cavestudio.com/ Keiko Higuchi (voice) Morishigeyasumune (cello) http://www.morishigeyasumune.com/ Open 7:30PM , Start 8:00PM 3000 yen (incl.1drink) contacts: Super Deluxe http://www.super-deluxe.com/ T: 03.5412.0515 | F: 03.5412.0516 E-mail : info@super-deluxe.com ============== [NAGOYA] 6th Thu Oct '05 Live at KD Japon,Nagoya Deep Acoustics Live Act vol.10 Koch-Schutz-Studer http://www.koch-schuetz-studer.ch/ Toyohiro Okazaki Yama Electro-Acoustic Operation http://www.deepacoustics.com/ Open 7:00PM , Start 7:30PM adv 2300 yen / door 2500 yen contacts: KD Japon TEL (052)251-0324 http://www2.odn.ne.jp/kdjapon/ ============== [KYOTO] 7th Fri Oct '05 Live at Cafe Independants,Kyoto Koch-Schutz-Studer http://www.koch-schuetz-studer.ch/ Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com/ Mori-Hannah-Soma open 19:00/start 19:30 1500yen (w.1d) contacts: Cafe Independants Tel/Fax (075)255-4312 http://www.cafe-independants.com/ ============== [KAGAWA] 8th Sat Oct '05 Live at Shikoku Gakuin University, Kagawa Koch-Schutz-Studer http://www.koch-schuetz-studer.ch/ Yu Minami (sax),Shigetaka Tatara (perc),Yoshikazu Yamashita (bass),Yasuki Omatu (Gt) Tetsushi Hasegawa (dance),Naomi Miyoshi (dance) open 17:00/start 17:30 adv 1500 yen / door 1800 yen contacts: Shikoku Gakuin University http://www.sg-u.ac.jp/ Tel 0877-62-2111 ============== [EHIME] 9th Sun Oct '05 Live at Espace21, Matsuyama City,Ehime Koch-Schutz-Studer http://www.koch-schuetz-studer.ch/ META-GIG (Tetsutada Fukunishi (sax,flute etc)Shigetaka Tatara (perc),Yoshikazu Yamashita (bass) ) Tetsushi Hasegawa (dance),Naomi Miyoshi (dance) open 18:00/start 18:30 adv 1500 yen / door 1800 yen contacts: Espace21 http://www.sg-u.ac.jp/ Tel 0877-62-2111 ============== [OSAKA] 10 Mon Oct '05 Live at BRIDGE,Osaka Koch-Schutz-Studer http://www.koch-schuetz-studer.ch/ Kimitaka Matsumae http://www.matsumae.com/ toKA DARK MATTER (Kenji Konishi + Sunao Inami) open 18:00 / start 19:00 adv 1,700 yen / door 2,000 yen (+1drink 300 yen) contacts: BRIDGE http://www.beyond-innocence.org/ TEL & FAX (06) 6634-0080 ============== [KOBE] 11 Tue Oct '05 Live at BIG APPLE,Kobe Koch-Schutz-Studer http://www.koch-schuetz-studer.ch/ Kazuya Ishigami (Computer) http://www.neus318.com/ Sunao Inami (Computer) http://www.cavestudio.com/ Atsunobu Tadatsu (Electronics) http://www.cavestudio.com/ open 18:30 / start 19:30 adv 1,800 yen / door 2,000 yen contacts: BIG APPLE http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/i/big-apple/ TEL & FAX (078) 251-7049 big-apple@i.bekkoame.ne.jp ============== [TOKYO] 12th Wed Oct '05 Live at MANDA-LA2,Tokyo TONE SUMMIT vol.24 Koch-Schutz-Studer http://www.koch-schuetz-studer.ch/ Higan http://www.clublunatica.com/ (Masaaki"Maruta" taniguchi(vo.g),Koji Shishido(g),Tadashi Matsumoto(ds) etc) TE' open 18:30/start19:30 2300 yen + 1drink contacts: MANDA-LA2 http://www.mandala.gr.jp/ Tel 0422-42-1579 ============== and more .. Thanks Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 29 09:49:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84EAB3BF07; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:49:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,156,1125874800"; d="scan'208"; a="26914912:sNHT19031719" Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050929103011.02dc4130@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:49:05 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: RE: loop devices and amps for busking In-Reply-To: <20050929091946.DD81F3BF0A@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050929091946.DD81F3BF0A@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:49:45 +0000 (UTC) hi Bernhard. How about using one of those re-chargeable battery packs? I got one from Lidl here, with outputs of 9V and 12V. Ideal for my Zoom 2100. I like the little Washburn amps, but I don't think they're made anymore. Another idea is to take power from the amp to operate the loop device. andy ps. did you get mp3s on your cd webpage yet? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 29 09:55:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 757E73BF08; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:55:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "mrweasel" To: Subject: RE: RE: loop devices and amps for busking Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:55:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20050929103011.02dc4130@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcXE2x/HO6iZbFVwR924+2LEwfQFHQAAI1Ag Message-Id: <20050929095506.0F8A73BEFC@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:55:07 +0000 (UTC) What about those? (20 W unknown brands on Ebay): http://cgi.ebay.de/GITARREN-INSTRUMENTAL-UND-MIKROFON-AKKU-VERSTARKER_W0QQit emZ7353822792QQcategoryZ21763QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem http://cgi.ebay.de/GITARREN-INSTRUMENTAL-UND-MIKROFON-AKKU-VERSTARKER_W0QQit emZ7354189535QQcategoryZ21763QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Anybody's seen them around before? -----Original Message----- From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 29 September 2005 10:49 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RE: loop devices and amps for busking hi Bernhard. How about using one of those re-chargeable battery packs? I got one from Lidl here, with outputs of 9V and 12V. Ideal for my Zoom 2100. I like the little Washburn amps, but I don't think they're made anymore. Another idea is to take power from the amp to operate the loop device. andy ps. did you get mp3s on your cd webpage yet? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 29 10:24:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78FF73BF04; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:24:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <433BC013.4050703@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 06:21:07 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AIMusic Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:24:44 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ================================================================================ Tonight on Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long Special Focus on Ken Martin. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Berlin Impressions Volume 3" by Ken Martin on Space for Music Records. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Heldon 4/Agneta Nilsson" by Heldon on Urus Records and released in 1976. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#sep Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and on the internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 29 12:40:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B23EC3BF08; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:40:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: long urls in emails (was: RE: RE: loop devices and amps for busking) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:39:35 +0200 Message-ID: <003e01c5c4f2$df59a110$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20050929095506.0F8A73BEFC@arsenic.violacea.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <9ucMFB.A.vFB.wC-ODB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:40:16 +0000 (UTC) Thank you for all the inputs so far! I'd like to use this opportunity to bring to your attention a nifty = solution for the long urls in posts. I've learned it from others using this = forum: http://tinyurl.com Instead of needing the readers of your post to copy and paste the = wrapped urls into their browser, you can take your long url and have it = transformed into e.g.: http://tinyurl.com/9lb9s As the author of a post, you have to copy the long url and paste it into = the entry field on http://tinyurl.com, wich is kinda tedious. But if you're using Firefox there's a tool "TinyUrl Creator" http://tinyurl.com/duqnc (https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=3D126) which adds = the functionality into the right-click pop-up menu: "Create TinyUrl for this Page". So the tinyurl is looked up for you and copied into the clipboard = so you can paste it into your post. (Since we don't know how long tinyurl will live, it might be a good idea = to post the original url along with tinyurl (sigh)). Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: mrweasel [mailto:mrweasel@eircom.net] > Sent: Donnerstag, 29. September 2005 11:55 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: RE: loop devices and amps for busking >=20 > What about those? (20 W unknown brands on Ebay): > http://cgi.ebay.de/GITARREN-INSTRUMENTAL-UND-MIKROFON-AKKU- > VERSTARKER_W0QQit > emZ7353822792QQcategoryZ21763QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >=20 > http://cgi.ebay.de/GITARREN-INSTRUMENTAL-UND-MIKROFON-AKKU- > VERSTARKER_W0QQit > emZ7354189535QQcategoryZ21763QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >=20 > Anybody's seen them around before? >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] > Sent: 29 September 2005 10:49 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: RE: loop devices and amps for busking >=20 > hi Bernhard. >=20 > How about using one of those re-chargeable battery packs? >=20 > I got one from Lidl here, with outputs of 9V and 12V. > Ideal for my Zoom 2100. >=20 > I like the little Washburn amps, but I don't think they're made = anymore. >=20 > Another idea is to take power from the amp to operate the loop device. >=20 > andy > ps. did you get mp3s on your cd webpage yet? >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 29 12:48:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 657843BEFE; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:48:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.5 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.1.0 From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: RE: loop devices and amps for busking Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:48:36 +0200 Message-ID: <004301c5c4f4$1f045890$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20050929103011.02dc4130@pop.tiscali.co.uk> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:48:56 +0000 (UTC) > -----Original Message----- > From: a k butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] > Sent: Donnerstag, 29. September 2005 11:49 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: RE: loop devices and amps for busking > > hi Bernhard. > > How about using one of those re-chargeable battery packs? Didn't know about them! > > I got one from Lidl here, with outputs of 9V and 12V. > Ideal for my Zoom 2100. > > I like the little Washburn amps, but I don't think they're made anymore. > > Another idea is to take power from the amp to operate the loop device. > > andy > ps. did you get mp3s on your cd webpage yet? Yes, I have: http://nosuch.biz/fourthNight http://pedaltone.com/ http://nosuch.biz/illt Thank you Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 29 13:01:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 094F43BF15; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:01:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,DRUGS_MUSCLE, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.1.0 From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: OT gig spam[ Koch-Schutz-Studer Japan Tour 2005 ] Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:01:22 +0200 Message-ID: <004501c5c4f5$e7a92220$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:01:42 +0000 (UTC) They are amazing. This month of September they've been performing a jam EVERY SINGLE NIGHT at the same place, same time. I only went there once, unfortunately ... Please keep us posted how those gigs went! Bernhard > -----Original Message----- > From: Sunao Inami [mailto:webmaster@cavestudio.com] > Sent: Donnerstag, 29. September 2005 11:20 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: OT gig spam[ Koch-Schutz-Studer Japan Tour 2005 ] > > Hi LD, > > This is my great Swiss friend trio, Koch-Schuetz-Studer 1st Japan > Tour information! > Their music called Hardcore Chambermusic.. > > Koch-Schutz-Studer (from Switzerland) > http://www.koch-schuetz-studer.ch/ > - Hans Koch (saxophone, electronics) > - Martin Schutz (cello, electronics) > - Fredy Studer (drums) > > ============== > > [TOKYO] > 4th Tue Oct '05 > Live at Penguin House, Tokyo > > TWO OF US Vol.86 > > Koch-Schutz-Studer http://www.koch-schuetz-studer.ch/ > Tadahiko Yokokawa (Guitar,Violin,electronics etc) > Sunao Inami (computer, electronics) http://www.cavestudio.com/ > > 7PM , 2000 yen > > contacts: > Penguin House > http://www3.plala.or.jp/FREEDOM/PENGUIN.htm > TEL/FAX : 03-3330-6294 > E-mail : p_house@lapis.plala.or.jp > > ============== > > [TOKYO] > 5th Wed Oct '05 > Live at Super Deluxe,Tokyo > > Koch-Schutz-Studer http://www.koch-schuetz-studer.ch/ > Sunao Inami (computer, electronics) http://www.cavestudio.com/ > Keiko Higuchi (voice) > Morishigeyasumune (cello) http://www.morishigeyasumune.com/ > > Open 7:30PM , Start 8:00PM > 3000 yen (incl.1drink) > > contacts: > Super Deluxe > http://www.super-deluxe.com/ > T: 03.5412.0515 | F: 03.5412.0516 > E-mail : info@super-deluxe.com > > ============== > > [NAGOYA] > 6th Thu Oct '05 > Live at KD Japon,Nagoya > > Deep Acoustics Live Act vol.10 > > Koch-Schutz-Studer http://www.koch-schuetz-studer.ch/ > Toyohiro Okazaki > Yama > Electro-Acoustic Operation http://www.deepacoustics.com/ > > Open 7:00PM , Start 7:30PM > adv 2300 yen / door 2500 yen > > contacts: > KD Japon > TEL (052)251-0324 > http://www2.odn.ne.jp/kdjapon/ > > ============== > > [KYOTO] > 7th Fri Oct '05 > Live at Cafe Independants,Kyoto > > Koch-Schutz-Studer http://www.koch-schuetz-studer.ch/ > Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com/ > Mori-Hannah-Soma > > open 19:00/start 19:30 > 1500yen (w.1d) > > contacts: > Cafe Independants > Tel/Fax (075)255-4312 > http://www.cafe-independants.com/ > > > ============== > > [KAGAWA] > 8th Sat Oct '05 > Live at Shikoku Gakuin University, Kagawa > > Koch-Schutz-Studer http://www.koch-schuetz-studer.ch/ > Yu Minami (sax),Shigetaka Tatara (perc),Yoshikazu Yamashita > (bass),Yasuki Omatu (Gt) > Tetsushi Hasegawa (dance),Naomi Miyoshi (dance) > > open 17:00/start 17:30 > adv 1500 yen / door 1800 yen > > contacts: > Shikoku Gakuin University > http://www.sg-u.ac.jp/ > Tel 0877-62-2111 > > ============== > > [EHIME] > 9th Sun Oct '05 > Live at Espace21, Matsuyama City,Ehime > > Koch-Schutz-Studer http://www.koch-schuetz-studer.ch/ > META-GIG (Tetsutada Fukunishi (sax,flute etc)Shigetaka Tatara > (perc),Yoshikazu Yamashita (bass) ) > Tetsushi Hasegawa (dance),Naomi Miyoshi (dance) > > open 18:00/start 18:30 > adv 1500 yen / door 1800 yen > > contacts: > Espace21 > http://www.sg-u.ac.jp/ > Tel 0877-62-2111 > > ============== > > [OSAKA] > 10 Mon Oct '05 > Live at BRIDGE,Osaka > > Koch-Schutz-Studer http://www.koch-schuetz-studer.ch/ > Kimitaka Matsumae http://www.matsumae.com/ > toKA > DARK MATTER (Kenji Konishi + Sunao Inami) > > open 18:00 / start 19:00 > adv 1,700 yen / door 2,000 yen (+1drink 300 yen) > > contacts: > BRIDGE > http://www.beyond-innocence.org/ > TEL & FAX (06) 6634-0080 > > ============== > > [KOBE] > 11 Tue Oct '05 > Live at BIG APPLE,Kobe > > Koch-Schutz-Studer http://www.koch-schuetz-studer.ch/ > Kazuya Ishigami (Computer) http://www.neus318.com/ > Sunao Inami (Computer) http://www.cavestudio.com/ > Atsunobu Tadatsu (Electronics) http://www.cavestudio.com/ > > open 18:30 / start 19:30 > adv 1,800 yen / door 2,000 yen > > contacts: > BIG APPLE > http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/i/big-apple/ > TEL & FAX (078) 251-7049 > big-apple@i.bekkoame.ne.jp > > ============== > > [TOKYO] > 12th Wed Oct '05 > Live at MANDA-LA2,Tokyo > > TONE SUMMIT vol.24 > > Koch-Schutz-Studer http://www.koch-schuetz-studer.ch/ > Higan http://www.clublunatica.com/ > (Masaaki"Maruta" taniguchi(vo.g),Koji Shishido(g),Tadashi Matsumoto(ds) > etc) > TE' > > open 18:30/start19:30 > 2300 yen + 1drink > > contacts: > MANDA-LA2 > http://www.mandala.gr.jp/ > Tel 0422-42-1579 > > ============== > > and more .. > > Thanks > > Sunao Inami > http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 29 15:41:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE7913BF0C; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:41:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.200] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050924023949.3CA9CE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Noisy/hissy EDP (revisited) LOOP IV Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:41:40 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Sep 2005 15:41:41.0231 (UTC) FILETIME=[497067F0:01C5C50C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:41:47 +0000 (UTC) I'm having the same problem as Joe. Can anyone confirm if LOOP IV will help with the hiss or maybe the newer black units sound better. PLEASE? Thanks Lou >From: "joe rut" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Noisy/hissy EDP (revisited) >Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:39:49 -0500 > >Hey there- > >I know this was a source of discussion on the list some time ago, but I've >spent a couple hours searching/reading in the archive and I can't >find anything that seems to have resolved this problem. I'm using the >cream-colored Oberheim EDPs with Loop III, 5.0. > >The problem: >My loop is full of hiss. I tap record once. I tap it a second time to end >the loop and there is a lot of hiss. >This occurs even with nothing plugged into the EDP inputs >This occurs even with input knob set to zero. >With feedback set to zero, the hiss does not die away, but stays steady. > >This does not seems like an "improper gain staging" issue. One of my EDPs >does this and the other does not. With both EDPs set >identically, one is super hissy, one is only mildly (and acceptably) hissy. > (eg: A) With all knobs at 100% and no inputs into the EDPs, or B) >input= Zero, output = any audible setting, mix and feedback = 100% and no >inputs into EDPs.) > >The only visible difference between the two EDPs is that the hissy unit has >a power switch with just a white dot on it, while the other >actually says "on/off". Could one of these be from a different >manufacturing run in which there were different (noisier) parts used? Is >this >a problem that can be addressed by replacing certain parts? > >Anybody else had this experience and found a way to address it? > >Thanks > >Joe Rut > >-- >_______________________________________________ > >Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow >Pages > >http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 29 15:50:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F342F3BF11; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:50:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: amps for busking Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 08:50:20 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20050929075247.59401.qmail@web52802.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:50:21 +0000 (UTC) These are also nice if you have a lot of disposable income. www.walker-labs.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Luis Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 12:53 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re:amps for busking The punchiest and cleanest battery operated amp you can probably get(specially designed for acoustic guitar) is the AER 60 watt Compact Mobile,2 channel,reverb,efx loop,DI out,phantom power etc. if you have 1100.- euros to chill out of course check it out cheers Luis --- "Torstein H. Rem" wrote: > Battery operated 1/2 watt amp > http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?s=&threadid=103173 > > Batteries last for a long time in the LoFI LJ. > Wouldn`t the DL-4 and DD-20 > eat > batteries for breakfast? > > T. www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 29 16:01:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1876E3BF16; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:01:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Yamaha AW16G recorder Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:01:54 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C5C4D4.6FF1B6F0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:01:53 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C5C4D4.6FF1B6F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi James, sorry I'm getting back to you so late, You should check out the New Roland CD1 (i think its called that) It is a stand alone CD recorder with CFC storage capability and non compressed files, built in mic pres atc.. You might be able to use it as a burner for your Yamaha and it would make a great portable field recorder as well. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Jhsidlo@aol.com [mailto:Jhsidlo@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 8:12 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Yamaha AW16G recorder Hello everybody, I'm looking for a replacement cd burner for my Yamaha AW16G hard drive recorder. Supposedly it's proprietary, so you can't just slap any laptop burner in. Yamaha wants $500 for a new one. Any suggestions for a work around? please e-mail me offline concerning this. Thanks, James Sidlo ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C5C4D4.6FF1B6F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi James, sorry I'm = getting back to you=20 so late, You should check out the New Roland CD1 (i think its called = that) It is=20 a stand alone CD recorder with CFC storage capability and non compressed = files,=20 built in mic pres atc.. You might be able to use it as a burner for your = Yamaha=20 and it would make a great portable field recorder as well.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: = Jhsidlo@aol.com=20 [mailto:Jhsidlo@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 = 8:12=20 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Yamaha=20 AW16G recorder

Hello everybody,
 
           =20     I'm looking for a replacement cd burner for my = Yamaha AW16G=20 hard drive recorder. Supposedly it's proprietary, so you can't just = slap any=20 laptop burner in. Yamaha wants $500 for a new one.
    Any suggestions for a work around? please = e-mail me=20 offline concerning this.
 
 
           =20             =    =20             =    =20         Thanks, James Sidlo
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C5C4D4.6FF1B6F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 29 16:07:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C8653BF17; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:07:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: <88.302dcf71.306d6b29@aol.com> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:07:05 EDT Subject: For Those In NYC on October 16 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1128010025" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 2340 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:07:27 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1128010025 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All: Any more takers for our Sunday October 16 cruise around Manhattan? Its a benefit for Habitat for Humanity and the funds will go directly to Gulf (not Persian) relief. We've had a pretty good turnout in terms of ticket purchase thus far, but the boat fits 300 people. We want it full. There will be music (provided by DJ and myself), food and open bar. There will also be a silent auction with lots of interesting things. Cost is $100 per head. Boat leaves at 5:00 PM promptly from 41st Street and the Hudson (Pier 81) and will return at 9:00 PM promptly. Children are welcome but we have to charge the full ticket price for them. What better place to get together on a nice Fall evening than on a boat, with a beautiful skyline and for a good cause? Anyone who wants more details, please email me and I will forward our email flyer. Hope to hear from you. Harry Harry Weinberg, Esq. Law Offices of Harry Weinberg 11 Beach Street - 8th Floor New York, N.Y. 10013 (212) 989-2908 Harry Weinberg, Esq. Law Offices of Harry Weinberg 11 Beach Street - 8th Floor New York, N.Y. 10013 (212) 989-2908 -------------------------------1128010025 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Any more takers for our Sunday October 16 cruise around Manhattan? = ;=20 Its a benefit for Habitat for Humanity and the funds will go directly t= o=20 Gulf (not Persian) relief.  We've had a pretty good turnout in terms of= =20 ticket purchase thus far, but the boat fits 300 people.  We want it=20 full.  There will be music (provided by DJ and myself), food and open=20 bar.  There will also be a silent auction with lots of interesting= =20 things.  Cost is $100 per head.  Boat leaves at 5:00 PM promptly f= rom=20 41st Street and the Hudson (Pier 81) and will return at 9:00 PM promptly.&nb= sp;=20 Children are welcome but we have to charge the full ticket price for them.&n= bsp;=20 What better place to get together on a nice  Fall evening tha= n on=20 a boat, with a beautiful skyline and for a good cause?  Anyone who= =20 wants more details, please email me and I will forward our email flyer.
 
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 -------------------------------1128010025-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 29 16:38:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 847EF3BF15; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:38:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,158,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="1436309718:sNHT24645466" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <22FCEEFD-2B1F-400D-91F7-58DC0952E0E7@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: Noisy/hissy EDP (revisited) LOOP IV Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:38:12 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:38:16 +0000 (UTC) I just fixed a different noise problem on my (old) EDP when I discovered that the screw near the transformer was too long. Just a thought. On Sep 29, 2005, at 10:41 AM, Louis Rossi wrote: > I'm having the same problem as Joe. Can anyone confirm if LOOP IV > will help with the hiss or maybe the newer black units sound > better. PLEASE? > > > Thanks > Lou > > > >> From: "joe rut" >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Noisy/hissy EDP (revisited) >> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:39:49 -0500 >> >> Hey there- >> >> I know this was a source of discussion on the list some time ago, >> but I've spent a couple hours searching/reading in the archive and >> I can't >> find anything that seems to have resolved this problem. I'm using >> the cream-colored Oberheim EDPs with Loop III, 5.0. >> >> The problem: >> My loop is full of hiss. I tap record once. I tap it a second >> time to end the loop and there is a lot of hiss. >> This occurs even with nothing plugged into the EDP inputs >> This occurs even with input knob set to zero. >> With feedback set to zero, the hiss does not die away, but stays >> steady. >> >> This does not seems like an "improper gain staging" issue. One of >> my EDPs does this and the other does not. With both EDPs set >> identically, one is super hissy, one is only mildly (and >> acceptably) hissy. (eg: A) With all knobs at 100% and no inputs >> into the EDPs, or B) >> input= Zero, output = any audible setting, mix and feedback = 100% >> and no inputs into EDPs.) >> >> The only visible difference between the two EDPs is that the hissy >> unit has a power switch with just a white dot on it, while the other >> actually says "on/off". Could one of these be from a different >> manufacturing run in which there were different (noisier) parts >> used? Is this >> a problem that can be addressed by replacing certain parts? >> >> Anybody else had this experience and found a way to address it? >> >> Thanks >> >> Joe Rut >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos >> Yellow Pages >> >> http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/ >> default.asp?SRC=lycos10 >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 29 16:53:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D8483BF10; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:53:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 09:51:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: analogue@hyperreal.org, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: FS: Danelectro DC 59 ("Jimmy page "Guitar) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:53:05 +0000 (UTC) A friend of mine asked me to help sell his guitar for him. This is the limo black Reiusse '59 DC with the double cutaways. No longer manufactured and I'm told only 500 were made with the original black headstock (this has that). Whatever! The guitar is in good condition; not mint or a KKKollectors piece but looks good ands sounds great. Sounds decent unplugged as well so it's a perfect apt guitar. Two lipstick pickups, two dual knob (vol/tone inside thingies), tri-position switch. Here's a pick of the model from back in the day when they were for sale. http://www.accessguitar.com/inventory/danelectro/danele59dc.html It's a player's guitar with small slight surface scratches on back, a replaced pick-up selector switch (professionally installed by Bluebond guitars in Philadelphia), and a small paint chip on the pickguard (touched up). It has been played a lot in a smoke free home. It will not make you play or sound like Jimmy Page but what the hell will? Asking $325 or obo for a quick no nonsense sale. Buyer pays shipping and I can accept paypal or USPS MO (or pick up in phila in which case I'll be more generous on the price!). Not looking to "dump" this so swerious inquiried only but will gladly answer any questions I can. I can take pics this weekend if anyone is interested. Email me direct ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 29 17:15:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 758E23BF0C; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:15:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=k58zlgaJSDQ9LkgyrdRGrHrLNC0BvaIqgQfBP9LKRxHO7ZZWYDQOfxW7WZJDboKvXCL8ePZ8O/5ghmZud4sCjbXBdWjt/7cCik74QAKX7z6Tt4QuRN+bAl6dnsVxNWwQBZTpWgnJan6RSohOma6f31HvIln99pKX0LzoKNaDrRg= Message-ID: <26ba8d120509291015l722dc0bdlbe60e8e21bd84c53@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:15:18 -0400 From: Tom Ritchford Reply-To: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: long urls in emails (was: RE: RE: loop devices and amps for busking) In-Reply-To: <003e01c5c4f2$df59a110$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050929095506.0F8A73BEFC@arsenic.violacea.com> <003e01c5c4f2$df59a110$2101a8c0@alhambra> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:15:20 +0000 (UTC) On 9/29/05, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > Thank you for all the inputs so far! > > I'd like to use this opportunity to bring to your attention a nifty solut= ion > for the long urls in posts. I've learned it from others using this forum: > http://tinyurl.com Tinyurl is great! Even easier, putting left and right angle brackets around the URL allows it to be clickable even if there's a line break... -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 29 19:21:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F00663BF00; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 19:21:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=j2yv9bW7rvf69HQHe56+ouahBCYIg7tuW/EDubNyJYN0doyIhfdfxwv/vJhDcraR4U0wgFtoXmPAN3Ju5i16clwBOHa1mrR9so9U+KP/ER4QP6KvJ27Mxs9V0i9FanZtZ0AOQ002+QKFWXP3hzOJsXdDRoxg61DX6YjLq+Wg9Hg= ; Message-ID: <20050929192146.94629.qmail@web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 12:21:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: Re: FS: Danelectro DC 59 ("Jimmy page "Guitar) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1327608067-1128021706=:93755" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 19:21:48 +0000 (UTC) --0-1327608067-1128021706=:93755 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have one of these myself! And everyone makes fun of it because it's such a cheap and primative guitar...but it's got a great tone - more lower register - and indeed it's the guitar Page used on tracks like Kashmir + Hanged Man. And you can get those exact tones at times - you'll be jamming around and suddenly... wow there it is! You realize how the dark tones of this particular guitar influenced his music. I paid $500 for mine a few years ago. I've been told the guitar's only worth $150 for materials and that the new Danos are exactly the same and much cheaper - but they aren't the same unique dark tones. Everyone makes fun of me about this guitar but I've insisted on using it anyhow. Monica Legion wrote: A friend of mine asked me to help sell his guitar for him. This is the limo black Reiusse '59 DC with the double cutaways. No longer manufactured and I'm told only 500 were made with the original black headstock (this has that). Whatever! The guitar is in good condition; not mint or a KKKollectors piece but looks good ands sounds great. Sounds decent unplugged as well so it's a perfect apt guitar. Two lipstick pickups, two dual knob (vol/tone inside thingies), tri-position switch. Here's a pick of the model from back in the day when they were for sale. http://www.accessguitar.com/inventory/danelectro/danele59dc.html It's a player's guitar with small slight surface scratches on back, a replaced pick-up selector switch (professionally installed by Bluebond guitars in Philadelphia), and a small paint chip on the pickguard (touched up). It has been played a lot in a smoke free home. It will not make you play or sound like Jimmy Page but what the hell will? Asking $325 or obo for a quick no nonsense sale. Buyer pays shipping and I can accept paypal or USPS MO (or pick up in phila in which case I'll be more generous on the price!). Not looking to "dump" this so swerious inquiried only but will gladly answer any questions I can. I can take pics this weekend if anyone is interested. Email me direct ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. Asgard Guitars "guitar technology for the new emerging edge..." coolintensity@yahoo.com coolintensity1@aol.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-1327608067-1128021706=:93755 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    I have one of these myself! And everyone makes fun of it because it's
such a cheap and primative guitar...but it's got a great tone - more lower
register - and indeed it's the guitar Page used on tracks like Kashmir + Hanged
Man. And you can get those exact tones at times - you'll be jamming around
and suddenly... wow there it is! You realize how the dark tones of
this particular guitar influenced his music. I paid $500 for mine a few years ago.
I've been told the guitar's only worth $150 for materials and that the new
Danos are exactly the same and much cheaper - but they aren't the same
unique dark tones. Everyone makes fun of me about this guitar but I've
insisted on using it anyhow.

 

Monica



Legion <legion@helpwantedproductions.com> wrote:

A friend of mine asked me to help sell his guitar for him. This is the
limo black Reiusse '59 DC with the double cutaways. No longer manufactured
and I'm told only 500 were made with the original black headstock (this
has that). Whatever!

The guitar is in good condition; not mint or a KKKollectors piece but
looks good ands sounds great. Sounds decent unplugged as well so it's a
perfect apt guitar. Two lipstick pickups, two dual knob (vol/tone inside
thingies), tri-position switch.

Here's a pick of the model from back in the day when they were for sale.
http://www.accessguitar.com/inventory/danelectro/danele59dc.html

It's a player's guitar with small slight surface scratches on back, a
replaced pick-up selector switch (professionally installed by Bluebond
guitars in Philadelphia), and a small paint chip on the pickguard (touched
up). It has been played a lot in a smoke free home.

It will not make you play or sound like Jimmy Page but what the hell will?

Asking $325 or obo for a quick no nonsense sale. Buyer pays
shipping and I can accept paypal or USPS MO (or pick up in phila in which
case I'll be more generous on the price!). Not looking to "dump" this so
swerious inquiried only but will gladly answer any questions I can.

I can take pics this weekend if anyone is interested. Email me direct

___________________________________________________________________
HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com
"Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..."

Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and
info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more.





 
Asgard Guitars
"guitar technology for the new emerging edge..."
                                                   

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Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-1327608067-1128021706=:93755-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 29 20:44:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 953403BF05; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 20:44:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.34) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 29 Sep 2005 20:44:36 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:44:36 -0500 Subject: Re: Noisy/hissy EDP (revisited) LOOP IV X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050929204436.3C8D1C612E@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 20:44:39 +0000 (UTC) Kelly-=20 I'll check my screw. What was the actual problem on your unit? Was the sc= rew actually hitting the transformer and shorting something? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly Coyle" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Noisy/hissy EDP (revisited) LOOP IV Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:38:12 -0500 >=20 > I just fixed a different noise problem on my (old) EDP when I=20=20 > discovered that the screw near the transformer was too long. Just a=20 > thought. >=20 >=20 > On Sep 29, 2005, at 10:41 AM, Louis Rossi wrote: >=20 > > I'm having the same problem as Joe. Can anyone confirm if LOOP IV=20 > > will help with the hiss or maybe the newer black units sound=20=20 > > better. PLEASE? > > > > > > Thanks > > Lou > > > > > > > >> From: "joe rut" > >> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: Noisy/hissy EDP (revisited) > >> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:39:49 -0500 > >> > >> Hey there- > >> > >> I know this was a source of discussion on the list some time=20 > >> ago, but I've spent a couple hours searching/reading in the=20 > >> archive and I can't > >> find anything that seems to have resolved this problem. I'm=20 > >> using the cream-colored Oberheim EDPs with Loop III, 5.0. > >> > >> The problem: > >> My loop is full of hiss. I tap record once. I tap it a second=20=20 > >> time to end the loop and there is a lot of hiss. > >> This occurs even with nothing plugged into the EDP inputs > >> This occurs even with input knob set to zero. > >> With feedback set to zero, the hiss does not die away, but stays stea= dy. > >> > >> This does not seems like an "improper gain staging" issue. One=20 > >> of my EDPs does this and the other does not. With both EDPs set > >> identically, one is super hissy, one is only mildly (and=20=20 > >> acceptably) hissy. (eg: A) With all knobs at 100% and no inputs=20 > >> into the EDPs, or B) > >> input=3D Zero, output =3D any audible setting, mix and feedback =3D=20 > >> 100% and no inputs into EDPs.) > >> > >> The only visible difference between the two EDPs is that the=20 > >> hissy unit has a power switch with just a white dot on it,=20 > >> while the other > >> actually says "on/off". Could one of these be from a different=20=20 > >> manufacturing run in which there were different (noisier) parts=20=20 > >> used? Is this > >> a problem that can be addressed by replacing certain parts? > >> > >> Anybody else had this experience and found a way to address it? > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Joe Rut > >> > >> -- > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number.=20=20 > >> -Lycos Yellow Pages > >> > >> http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/=20 > >> default.asp?SRC=3Dlycos10 > >> > >> > > > > --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 29 20:54:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB76B3BF00; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 20:54:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.33) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 29 Sep 2005 20:54:47 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:54:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Noisy/hissy EDP (revisited) LOOP IV X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050929205447.657AACA077@ws7-4.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 20:54:54 +0000 (UTC) I have traded emails with Gibson customer service. Their suggestions were = 1) trade cables or 2) reinitialize the unit. Other than that, they=20 said, the unit requires service. Well, I'd like to avoid spending even more money on this already expensive = unit. And it certainly seems as though this is not an isolated=20 issue, and that it is likely to have popped up before and been addressed. = I'll keep searchin a bit more. Joe Rut --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 29 20:57:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31B463BF11; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 20:57:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,158,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="286122157:sNHT29150024" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <20050929204436.3C8D1C612E@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20050929204436.3C8D1C612E@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2FFE56F0-E253-4660-AF04-F5A7DDFDFB1C@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: Noisy/hissy EDP (revisited) LOOP IV Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:57:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 20:57:24 +0000 (UTC) I don't think it was touching. I got the tip from an ancient post in the archive. If you recorded an empty loop in mine, it would be quiet. But any input would cause a static-y hiss which would multiply with the loops. On Sep 29, 2005, at 3:44 PM, joe rut wrote: > Kelly- > > I'll check my screw. What was the actual problem on your unit? > Was the screw actually hitting the transformer and shorting something? > > Joe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kelly Coyle" > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Noisy/hissy EDP (revisited) LOOP IV > Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 11:38:12 -0500 > > >> >> I just fixed a different noise problem on my (old) EDP when I >> discovered that the screw near the transformer was too long. Just a >> thought. >> >> >> On Sep 29, 2005, at 10:41 AM, Louis Rossi wrote: >> >> >>> I'm having the same problem as Joe. Can anyone confirm if LOOP IV >>> will help with the hiss or maybe the newer black units sound >>> better. PLEASE? >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> Lou >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> From: "joe rut" >>>> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>>> Subject: Noisy/hissy EDP (revisited) >>>> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:39:49 -0500 >>>> >>>> Hey there- >>>> >>>> I know this was a source of discussion on the list some time >>>> ago, but I've spent a couple hours searching/reading in the >>>> archive and I can't >>>> find anything that seems to have resolved this problem. I'm >>>> using the cream-colored Oberheim EDPs with Loop III, 5.0. >>>> >>>> The problem: >>>> My loop is full of hiss. I tap record once. I tap it a second >>>> time to end the loop and there is a lot of hiss. >>>> This occurs even with nothing plugged into the EDP inputs >>>> This occurs even with input knob set to zero. >>>> With feedback set to zero, the hiss does not die away, but >>>> stays steady. >>>> >>>> This does not seems like an "improper gain staging" issue. One >>>> of my EDPs does this and the other does not. With both EDPs set >>>> identically, one is super hissy, one is only mildly (and >>>> acceptably) hissy. (eg: A) With all knobs at 100% and no inputs >>>> into the EDPs, or B) >>>> input= Zero, output = any audible setting, mix and feedback = >>>> 100% and no inputs into EDPs.) >>>> >>>> The only visible difference between the two EDPs is that the >>>> hissy unit has a power switch with just a white dot on it, >>>> while the other >>>> actually says "on/off". Could one of these be from a different >>>> manufacturing run in which there were different (noisier) parts >>>> used? Is this >>>> a problem that can be addressed by replacing certain parts? >>>> >>>> Anybody else had this experience and found a way to address it? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Joe Rut >>>> >>>> -- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. >>>> -Lycos Yellow Pages >>>> >>>> http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/ >>>> default.asp?SRC=lycos10 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> > > -- > _______________________________________________ > > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos > Yellow Pages > > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/ > default.asp?SRC=lycos10 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 29 21:18:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14EB83BF13; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:18:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:17:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FS: Danelectro DC 59 ("Jimmy page "Guitar) In-Reply-To: <20050929192146.94629.qmail@web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:18:29 +0000 (UTC) This *is* a very cool guitar. I remember when they came out and my friend bought this and I kind of laughed at him for it. The last three on ebay of this exact model went for $405-$525 so other folks must know about it too. I played it a bit this weekend and would keep it myself if I didn't already have about 5-10 guitars too many as it is :) On Thu, 29 Sep 2005, Monica wrote: > I have one of these myself! And everyone makes fun of it because it's > such a cheap and primative guitar...but it's got a great tone - more lower > register - and indeed it's the guitar Page used on tracks like Kashmir + Hanged > Man. And you can get those exact tones at times - you'll be jamming around > and suddenly... wow there it is! You realize how the dark tones of > this particular guitar influenced his music. I paid $500 for mine a few years ago. > I've been told the guitar's only worth $150 for materials and that the new > Danos are exactly the same and much cheaper - but they aren't the same > unique dark tones. Everyone makes fun of me about this guitar but I've > insisted on using it anyhow. > Legion wrote: > Asking $325 or obo for a quick no nonsense sale. Buyer pays > shipping and I can accept paypal or USPS MO (or pick up in phila in which > case I'll be more generous on the price!). Not looking to "dump" this so > serious inquiries only but will gladly answer any questions I can. ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 29 22:06:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCA113BF05; Thu, 29 Sep 2005 22:06:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 00:06:21 +0200 From: "Torstein H. Rem" Subject: Re: FS: Danelectro DC 59 ("Jimmy page "Guitar) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000801c5c542$069a3510$0300000a@remwavesnet> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 22:06:23 +0000 (UTC) For more money there is always the Jerry Jones guitars. Lipstick heaven at http://www.jerryjonesguitars.com/ T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Legion" To: Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 11:17 PM Subject: Re: FS: Danelectro DC 59 ("Jimmy page "Guitar) > > This *is* a very cool guitar. I remember when they came out and my friend > bought this and I kind of laughed at him for it. The last three on ebay of > this exact model went for $405-$525 so other folks must know about it too. > > I played it a bit this weekend and would keep it myself if I didn't > already have about 5-10 guitars too many as it is :) > > > > On Thu, 29 Sep 2005, Monica wrote: > >> I have one of these myself! And everyone makes fun of it because it's >> such a cheap and primative guitar...but it's got a great tone - more >> lower >> register - and indeed it's the guitar Page used on tracks like Kashmir + >> Hanged >> Man. And you can get those exact tones at times - you'll be jamming >> around >> and suddenly... wow there it is! You realize how the dark tones of >> this particular guitar influenced his music. I paid $500 for mine a few >> years ago. >> I've been told the guitar's only worth $150 for materials and that the >> new >> Danos are exactly the same and much cheaper - but they aren't the same >> unique dark tones. Everyone makes fun of me about this guitar but I've >> insisted on using it anyhow. > >> Legion wrote: >> Asking $325 or obo for a quick no nonsense sale. Buyer pays >> shipping and I can accept paypal or USPS MO (or pick up in phila in which >> case I'll be more generous on the price!). Not looking to "dump" this so >> serious inquiries only but will gladly answer any questions I can. > > ___________________________________________________________________ > HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com > "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." > > Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and > info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 30 02:54:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF75B3BF0C; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 02:54:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:54:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: still goin clean To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <16341970.1128048855402.JavaMail.root@vms170.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 02:54:18 +0000 (UTC) playin straight thru my rang into my mixer addin a little verb.....HEAVEN.....but that voice in the back of my head keeps goin, "add some ineko add some bitrman some space station make it "wacky"".....get thee behind me SANTA or is that satan?.....oh, i so want to come to Y2K5 and have the least equipment (THERE IS A $500.00 PRIZE THAT RICK NEVER TELLS PEOPLE ABOUT).....bill makes him do this!.....mic http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 30 03:00:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2CF03BF0C; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 03:00:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,159,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="1619528713:sNHT1250425392" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: <16341970.1128048855402.JavaMail.root@vms170.mailsrvcs.net> References: <16341970.1128048855402.JavaMail.root@vms170.mailsrvcs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <99104B06-1EA7-41C0-817D-58D21F296A7B@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: still goin clean Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 22:00:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: <9Sa-rB.A.14C.kpKPDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 03:00:52 +0000 (UTC) As I age, I find I play cleaner. I just off-loaded a bunch of noisemakers, and I'm down to a Rat, a MURF (still love filters...), a delay, the EDP, and amp reverb. I think the Rat is next to go. Maybe someday just guitar and edp, who knows? On Sep 29, 2005, at 9:54 PM, wrote: > playin straight thru my rang into my mixer addin a little > verb.....HEAVEN.....but that voice in the back of my head keeps > goin, "add > some ineko add some bitrman some space station make it > "wacky"".....get thee > behind me SANTA or is that satan?.....oh, i so want to come to Y2K5 > and have > the least equipment (THERE IS A $500.00 PRIZE THAT RICK NEVER TELLS > PEOPLE > ABOUT).....bill makes him do this!.....mic > > http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 30 03:03:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54BB43BF0E; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 03:03:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: still goin clean Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:03:25 -0600 Message-ID: <002201c5c56b$8981e0d0$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: <16341970.1128048855402.JavaMail.root@vms170.mailsrvcs.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 173, in=474, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 03:03:42 +0000 (UTC) -----Original Message----- From: nemoguitt@verizon.net [mailto:nemoguitt@verizon.net] > oh, i so want to come to Y2K5 and have the least equipment I hear you! I'm checking in my 5 space rack with the rest of my baggage, and hope it doesn't go over the 60 pound limit. I hope to check in my rack and a large suitcase with my wires and controllers, and a few clothes, and then walk on the plane with my two laptops and guitar. The flight from Boise to San Jose is short and on a small plane with no closets, so I think I will have to put my acoustic guitar on the a la carte and have it stored under the plane. I don't know what else to do. The overhead compartments in the plane are too small for my electric, otherwise I would bring it. No closets, no overheads...leads to only checking my guitar in...but I'm sure it is pressurized where they store the a la carte bags. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 30 03:11:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FF9E3BF11; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 03:11:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OxejGvjnlGRk44blxcqTRavMSr8nWCI0TxywNcgVARkiS8yKRCm5rdngZc4TRjFvizyZseonYHWTVjYin3yz5yug9mkdvuwTthZp87+gm/nLVBQG4SkYxPqV4zphJx48VaJ8jOzIYemN5gyKtR7nkZa9j62JMw/GKnEEK/lJRIQ= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 20:11:31 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: still goin clean In-Reply-To: <002201c5c56b$8981e0d0$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <16341970.1128048855402.JavaMail.root@vms170.mailsrvcs.net> <002201c5c56b$8981e0d0$6501a8c0@khartung> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 03:11:32 +0000 (UTC) It's not the air pressure to worry about, but the handlers and the cold, in that order. TravisH On 9/29/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > -----Original Message----- > > I hear you! I'm checking in my 5 space rack with the rest of my baggage, > and hope it doesn't go over the 60 pound limit. I hope to check in my > rack and a large suitcase with my wires and controllers, and a few > clothes, and then walk on the plane with my two laptops and guitar. The > flight from Boise to San Jose is short and on a small plane with no > closets, so I think I will have to put my acoustic guitar on the a la > carte and have it stored under the plane. I don't know what else to do. > The overhead compartments in the plane are too small for my electric, > otherwise I would bring it. No closets, no overheads...leads to only > checking my guitar in...but I'm sure it is pressurized where they store > the a la carte bags. > > Kris > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 30 03:40:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9A083BF13; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 03:40:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: still goin clean Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:40:29 -0600 Message-ID: <002301c5c570$b7265980$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 174, in=444, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 03:40:46 +0000 (UTC) I think the under-carrier baggage areas temperatures are temperature controlled. Have you heard differently? I mean people put liquids in their baggage all of the time...shampoo, etc...I've never had a frozen item out of my baggage, even after a 14 hour trip from West US to Italy. This is a main concern too...a nice wood finish being exposed to sub-0 degrees is frightening, even if for only 1 1/2 hours. I may try to bring the guitar on board and sweet talk the stewardess into putting it somewhere....there must be some place. On my business drop to the Bay area last week, I saw a cello player walk off the same small plane with his instrument in a hard case. I was wondering wher he had it, or if he had purchased a seat for it. Or I could ship the guitar to someone in Santa Cruz...last resort. Better yet...get a Steinberger! :) It must be nice to be Kid Beyond. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:12 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: still goin clean It's not the air pressure to worry about, but the handlers and the cold, in that order. TravisH On 9/29/05, Kris Hartung wrote: > -----Original Message----- > > I hear you! I'm checking in my 5 space rack with the rest of my > baggage, and hope it doesn't go over the 60 pound limit. I hope to > check in my rack and a large suitcase with my wires and controllers, > and a few clothes, and then walk on the plane with my two laptops and > guitar. The flight from Boise to San Jose is short and on a small > plane with no closets, so I think I will have to put my acoustic > guitar on the a la carte and have it stored under the plane. I don't > know what else to do. The overhead compartments in the plane are too > small for my electric, otherwise I would bring it. No closets, no > overheads...leads to only checking my guitar in...but I'm sure it is > pressurized where they store the a la carte bags. > > Kris > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 30 03:57:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E9AC3BF15; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 03:57:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.207] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ekstasis1@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <99104B06-1EA7-41C0-817D-58D21F296A7B@charter.net> From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: still goin clean Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 03:57:10 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Sep 2005 03:57:10.0671 (UTC) FILETIME=[08A291F0:01C5C573] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 03:57:12 +0000 (UTC) Ah, Michael....are we gonna have that "little rig" contest again? I went "big" (pedal board, tube preamp,tube driven analog spring reverb, tube power amp) for a bit. Herniated two discs in my back and needed spinal surgery this summer! Sounded great..weighed a ton and was a bitch to move (friggin' road cases). Now, even when I use an amp it weighs in at less than 25lbs (Acoustic Image) I have gone "small" again: Acoustic Bass to a D-Tar Mama Bear preamp...and a D-Tar Solstice mixer which holds my JamMan (oooo...talk about small and archaic!) Even did away with reverb, tho that make re-emerge for Y2K5, we shall see. I just picked up a VF1, which is quite cool, but I think I likle things better clean and effectless (save for what I do with my hands), so it will most likely miss the trip to SC. Who says size matters? See ya in SC Michael..... Max > > >On Sep 29, 2005, at 9:54 PM, wrote: > >>playin straight thru my rang into my mixer addin a little >>verb.....HEAVEN.....but that voice in the back of my head keeps goin, >>"add >>some ineko add some bitrman some space station make it "wacky"".....get >>thee >>behind me SANTA or is that satan?.....oh, i so want to come to Y2K5 and >>have >>the least equipment (THERE IS A $500.00 PRIZE THAT RICK NEVER TELLS >>PEOPLE >>ABOUT).....bill makes him do this!.....mic >> >>http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 30 06:03:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADB033BF05; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 06:03:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 23:08:08 -0700 Subject: Re: still goin clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Scott Drengsen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <16341970.1128048855402.JavaMail.root@vms170.mailsrvcs.net> Message-Id: <924E9816-3178-11DA-927D-00050263BC96@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 06:03:49 +0000 (UTC) Last year..a DL-4 and a volume pedal...me On Thursday, September 29, 2005, at 07:54 PM, wrote: > playin straight thru my rang into my mixer addin a little > verb.....HEAVEN.....but that voice in the back of my head keeps goin, > "add > some ineko add some bitrman some space station make it > "wacky"".....get thee > behind me SANTA or is that satan?.....oh, i so want to come to Y2K5 > and have > the least equipment (THERE IS A $500.00 PRIZE THAT RICK NEVER TELLS > PEOPLE > ABOUT).....bill makes him do this!.....mic > > http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 30 14:10:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD96B3BF0B; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 14:10:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: c389589c03a86e036d8bddfc5f76f72d Received-SPF: pass (moroto.terra.com.br: domain of terra.com.br designates 200.176.10.5 as permitted sender) client-ip=200.176.10.5; envelope-from=matigrob@terra.com.br; helo=[10.1.1.6]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matigrob@pop.ssa.terra.com.br Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <99104B06-1EA7-41C0-817D-58D21F296A7B@charter.net> References: <16341970.1128048855402.JavaMail.root@vms170.mailsrvcs.net> <99104B06-1EA7-41C0-817D-58D21F296A7B@charter.net> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:05:10 -0300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: still goin clean Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 14:10:54 +0000 (UTC) >As I age, I find I play cleaner. I just off-loaded a bunch of >noisemakers, and I'm down to a Rat, a MURF (still love filters...), >a delay, the EDP, and amp reverb. I think the Rat is next to go. >Maybe someday just guitar and edp, who knows? for me, polyphonic distortion was the way... I have it since 79, but use it more and more. Now that its becoming a all controllable plug-in, I may not even use monophonic distortion any more. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 30 15:32:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8020E3BF08; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 15:32:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: References: <16341970.1128048855402.JavaMail.root@vms170.mailsrvcs.net> <99104B06-1EA7-41C0-817D-58D21F296A7B@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: still goin clean Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 09:40:04 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 15:32:46 +0000 (UTC) >> Maybe someday just guitar and edp, who knows? Since moving to a new town (Evergreen, Co.) and getting involved in the local music scene (mostly through the extensive open mic circuit in the Denver area), it's been a necessity to scale things down and travel light. Been using just an acoustic archtop guitar and << volume pedal to DD20 to RC20xl >> setup to good effect. One benefit of this streamlined, lack of outboard effects setup, is that it forces you to really explore the various "natural" sounds (musical and non musical) that you can get from just an acoustic guitar. It's a lot more intimate and seems to draw people in more. Liking it more, now (old age factor?), than playing "electric". Although, when you strap on the electric and get that distortion driven, effects laden, wall of sound thing going ... man that's nice :). PS: any tips/ links to info on "processed acoustic guitar"? I've seen players using all sorts of alligator clips and doodads attached to strings to get different sounds but not clear on the actual process.... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 30 15:41:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A99D3BF0C; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 15:41:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,162,1125892800"; d="scan'208"; a="254313060:sNHT15609248" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: <16341970.1128048855402.JavaMail.root@vms170.mailsrvcs.net> <99104B06-1EA7-41C0-817D-58D21F296A7B@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <471D929F-612D-4946-AB52-5EED27F2202C@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: still goin clean Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:41:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 15:41:32 +0000 (UTC) I think Max Valentino is on this list, but you can look in this thread on TalkBass for an overview (scroll down and find Max's post). I haven't tried it myself. S'pect I will, now that you reminded me. On Sep 30, 2005, at 10:40 AM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: >>> Maybe someday just guitar and edp, who knows? >>> > > > Since moving to a new town (Evergreen, Co.) and getting involved in > the local music scene (mostly through the extensive open mic > circuit in the Denver area), it's been a necessity to scale things > down and travel light. Been using just an acoustic archtop guitar > and << volume pedal to DD20 to RC20xl >> setup to good effect. One > benefit of this streamlined, lack of outboard effects setup, is > that it forces you to really explore the various "natural" sounds > (musical and non musical) that you can get from just an acoustic > guitar. It's a lot more intimate and seems to draw people in > more. Liking it more, now (old age factor?), than playing > "electric". Although, when you strap on the electric and get that > distortion driven, effects laden, wall of sound thing going ... man > that's nice :). > PS: any tips/ links to info on "processed acoustic guitar"? I've > seen players using all sorts of alligator clips and doodads > attached to strings to get different sounds but not clear on the > actual process.... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 30 15:44:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 011743BF14; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 15:44:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.97,162,1125892800"; d="scan'208,217"; a="1451261015:sNHT957580062" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: <16341970.1128048855402.JavaMail.root@vms170.mailsrvcs.net> <99104B06-1EA7-41C0-817D-58D21F296A7B@charter.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--536005058 Message-Id: <4ABDB925-7DEB-4E7A-88AE-2CC8F420C5AD@charter.net> From: Kelly Coyle Subject: Re: still goin clean Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:44:10 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 15:44:16 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--536005058 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed As an aside, a garbage bag twist tie (or two) worked into the strings near the bridge gives a wonderful steel drum sound. > I think Max Valentino is on this list, but you can look in this > thread on TalkBass for an overview (scroll down and find Max's post). > t=195358&highlight=alligator+clips> > > I haven't tried it myself. S'pect I will, now that you reminded me. > > On Sep 30, 2005, at 10:40 AM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > > >>>> Maybe someday just guitar and edp, who knows? >>>> >>>> >> >> >> Since moving to a new town (Evergreen, Co.) and getting involved >> in the local music scene (mostly through the extensive open mic >> circuit in the Denver area), it's been a necessity to scale things >> down and travel light. Been using just an acoustic archtop guitar >> and << volume pedal to DD20 to RC20xl >> setup to good effect. >> One benefit of this streamlined, lack of outboard effects setup, >> is that it forces you to really explore the various "natural" >> sounds (musical and non musical) that you can get from just an >> acoustic guitar. It's a lot more intimate and seems to draw >> people in more. Liking it more, now (old age factor?), than >> playing "electric". Although, when you strap on the electric and >> get that distortion driven, effects laden, wall of sound thing >> going ... man that's nice :). >> PS: any tips/ links to info on "processed acoustic guitar"? I've >> seen players using all sorts of alligator clips and doodads >> attached to strings to get different sounds but not clear on the >> actual process.... >> >> > > --Apple-Mail-1--536005058 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
As an aside, a garbage bag twist tie (or = two) worked into the strings near the bridge gives a wonderful steel = drum sound.




I think Max Valentino is on this list, but you can = look in this thread on TalkBass for an overview (scroll down and find = Max's post).

I haven't = tried it myself. S'pect I will, now that you reminded me.

On Sep = 30, 2005, at 10:40 AM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote:


=A0Maybe someday just guitar and edp, who = knows?



Since moving to a new town = (Evergreen, Co.) and getting involved in the local music scene (mostly = through the extensive open mic circuit in the Denver area), it's been a = necessity to scale things down and travel light.=A0 Been using just an = acoustic archtop guitar and << volume pedal to DD20 to RC20xl = >> setup to good effect.=A0 One benefit of this streamlined, lack = of outboard effects setup, is that it forces you to really explore the = various "natural" sounds (musical and non musical) that you can get from = just an acoustic guitar.=A0 It's a lot more intimate and seems to draw = people in more.=A0 Liking it more, now (old age factor?), than playing = "electric".=A0 Although, when you strap on the electric and get that = distortion driven, effects laden, wall of sound thing going ... man = that's nice :).
PS: any tips/ links to info = on "processed acoustic guitar"?=A0 I've seen players using all sorts of = alligator clips and doodads attached to strings to get different sounds = but not clear on the actual process....




= --Apple-Mail-1--536005058-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 30 17:03:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A7FA3BF0E; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 17:03:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 09:54:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Matthew W. Prull" X-X-Sender: prullmw@marcus To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Syncing 2 EDP loops to drum machine tempo Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <7TqJZD.A.S2B.s_WPDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 17:03:40 +0000 (UTC) Hi Loopers, Having trouble trying to get 2 loops to play to tempo with a drum machine. For reference, I have 2 EDPs with LoopIV connected in stereo, and a Boss DR880 drum machine. MIDI out from master EDP goes into MIDI in to slave EDP, and MIDI thru on the slave goes to MIDI in on the DR880. EDP settings on both machines are: Sync=Out MoreLoops=2 SwitchQuant=Loop AutoRecord=On Quantize=Loop This is what I'm doing: 1. Press Undo, adjust tempo, then press Record. This simultaneously starts recording the first loop and starts the drum machine at the desired tempo. 2. Press Record again to close loop. This is now loop #1, and it and the drum machine are now happily playing together, in tempo. 3. Press NextLoop. Now I'm getting ready to record the second loop (Loop #2) and waiting until the end of Loop 1 to do so. At that point, the EDP should automatically advance to loop #2 and start recording. 4. The drum machine suddenly craps out at the transition point: "Buffer full" on the display. This means too many MIDI messages are being received by the drum machine. What I would like to do is be able to record, and switch, between loop 1 and loop 2, yet maintain the tempo synchronization between both loops and the drum machine. Can this be done? Is there an alternative way to do this? Thanks, Matt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 30 18:55:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C0CD3BF0F; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:55:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nrKK1jBaDLIqrz8U4WRamUZjorKFj0WB9dQ+7k4RsExRC+acFc/kJze0nnOA7NXqfao3yNyMb3z9eLwUTvfC0KgXwN+9N0GBoGea6i9OspOOKMqF5wF277YmahESmetkX63iYEQNHuJKJ0O+JCtteituiaOK4KfjPmg5N1lnqxE= ; Message-ID: <20050930185551.62725.qmail@web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 11:55:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: Amazon.com Scam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1925890947-1128106551=:62658" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:55:52 +0000 (UTC) --0-1925890947-1128106551=:62658 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I just came across - and fortunately did not fall for- a scam using the Amazon.com customer base. Someone is contacting Amazon.com users claiming to be the payments dept. saying that someone has just attempted to charge a suspiciously large order on your account and to alter your customer information. They ask you to "verify" this info - such as password and credit card number - they are collecting this info to use for frauds. If you get any emails like this it is not Amazon. Don't give the info requested and forward the email to stop-spoofing@amazon.com where they are tracing them and prosecuting. Monica Asgard Guitars "guitar technology for the new emerging edge..." coolintensity@yahoo.com coolintensity1@aol.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-1925890947-1128106551=:62658 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
 
 
I just came across - and fortunately did not fall for- a scam using the
Amazon.com customer base. Someone is contacting Amazon.com users
claiming to be the payments dept. saying that someone has just attempted
to charge a suspiciously large order on your account and to alter your
customer information. They ask you to "verify" this info - such as password
and credit card number - they are collecting this info to use for frauds.
If you get any emails like this it is not Amazon. Don't give the info requested
and forward the email to stop-spoofing@amazon.com where they are
tracing them and prosecuting.
 
Monica
 


 
Asgard Guitars
"guitar technology for the new emerging edge..."
                                                   

Yahoo! for Good
Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. --0-1925890947-1128106551=:62658-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 30 19:04:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CB363BF04; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:04:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rGOSihmzttq38sXj1GA91kGX0qelMK6RInZktE6FlicH7xLa+DVGP0yAvSRiVJLRp7qdQBDvBkmTCyGAAl02snctH/aJ1ZugKsEOnYL67lPxpVVdnoVGS+ad3S0wXRL0UFkYTMg8kBXCyhlZdak7K3UeTn+TBLbwAi7y5wybp5o= Message-ID: <26ba8d120509301203o355131c3g1be1f0b0876e8133@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 15:03:59 -0400 From: Tom Ritchford Reply-To: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Amazon.com Scam In-Reply-To: <20050930185551.62725.qmail@web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050930185551.62725.qmail@web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-x2sG.A.wAF.hwYPDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:04:02 +0000 (UTC) In general, never ever click on a link from ANYONE that involves money... your bank, paypal, ebay, your credit card company. The link may be deceptive... if you can, type in the name you expect to ge= t. This avoids issues like the paypaI.com hoax (more obvious when you see the URL as paypai.com)... On 9/30/05, Monica wrote: > > > I just came across - and fortunately did not fall for- a scam using the > Amazon.com customer base. Someone is contacting Amazon.com users > claiming to be the payments dept. saying that someone has just attempted > to charge a suspiciously large order on your account and to alter your > customer information. They ask you to "verify" this info - such as passwo= rd > and credit card number - they are collecting this info to use for frauds. > If you get any emails like this it is not Amazon. Don't give the info > requested > and forward the email to stop-spoofing@amazon.com where they are > tracing them and prosecuting. > > Monica > > > > > > > > > > Asgard Guitars > "guitar technology for the new emerging edge..." > coolintensity@yahoo.com > coolintensity1@aol.com > > > ________________________________ > Yahoo! for Good > Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 30 19:26:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F9DC3BF0E; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:26:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 14:25:59 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Amazon.com Scam In-reply-to: <26ba8d120509301203o355131c3g1be1f0b0876e8133@mail.gmail.com> To: Tom Ritchford Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <433D9147.10809@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20050930185551.62725.qmail@web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <26ba8d120509301203o355131c3g1be1f0b0876e8133@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8IEC3.A.PcF.NFZPDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:26:06 +0000 (UTC) Tom Ritchford wrote: > In general, never ever click on a link from ANYONE that involves > money... your bank, paypal, ebay, your credit card company. > > The link may be deceptive... if you can, type in the name you expect to get. > > This avoids issues like the paypaI.com hoax (more obvious when you see > the URL as paypai.com)... I received a relatively sophisticated PayPal "phishing" email recently. They were using some sort of redirection mechanism so that the URL that you went to was initially in the paypal.com domain, but you would be almost immediately redirected to the scam site. So the usual technique of letting the mouse hover over the link and checking the true link in the status bar didn't work, it looked legitimate. You should *always* manually type in the URL of any page that will require a login. Oddly enough, despite the time spent on the redirection trick, the scammers apparently didn't have time to run a spell checker on their email. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 30 19:50:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FADF3BF14; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:50:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v623) In-Reply-To: <26ba8d120509301203o355131c3g1be1f0b0876e8133@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050930185551.62725.qmail@web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <26ba8d120509301203o355131c3g1be1f0b0876e8133@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <62451df858ec04f310758de08572cfa4@skeletonhome.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: bruce tovsky Subject: Re: Amazon.com Scam Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 15:50:14 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.623) Resent-Message-ID: <5wkguC.A.c9F.8bZPDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:50:21 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 30, 2005, at 3:03 PM, Tom Ritchford wrote: > In general, never ever click on a link from ANYONE that involves > money... your bank, paypal, ebay, your credit card company. > > The link may be deceptive... if you can, type in the name you expect > to get. > > This avoids issues like the paypaI.com hoax (more obvious when you see > the URL as paypai.com)... i would highly recommend that everyone double-check phish & spoof emails with the vendor/bank involved by manually typing in the link and/or logging into your account and check your messages there. generally, ebay and banks (and credit cards, etc.) will post messages there that are also sent to your email account. legitimate messages can get lost/tossed and precious time wasted if one just trashes anything they think is a scam. be vigilant! from personal experience i can tell you it will save you in the long run. cheers bruce bruce tovsky www.skeletonhome.com "Sometimes the appropriate response to reality is to go insane." Philip K. Dick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 30 21:21:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FE183BF0B; Fri, 30 Sep 2005 21:21:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [62.255.52.120] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth.whitcock" To: References: <20050928224618.40502.qmail@web33114.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: OT:recommendation: the Moog documentary.. Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 22:20:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0057_01C5C60D.39A77F00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/53425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 21:21:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C5C60D.39A77F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable what doc's that? gareth a quick OT rec: just finished watching the doc. on bob moog, very = interesting stuff. for those who like the bloops/bleeps etc, kinda fun to see him talk to = a wide range of folks who've used the moog synth. also some fun theremin = stuff, which is how moog got his start. there was a great quote from moog (paraphrase): improvisation is just = a series of wrong notes. thought that was great. and the extra performances on the dvd are most interesting to watch = some djs/electronic musicians doing live stuff. saw lots of korg kaoss = pads and the boss dr samples hooked up, as well as keyboards/synths.... thought i'd share, definately an enjoyable 70 min of watching & = listening.... s---- -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C5C60D.39A77F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
what doc's that?
 
gareth
 

a quick OT rec: just finished watching the doc. on bob moog, very=20 interesting stuff.

for those who like the bloops/bleeps etc, kinda fun to see him talk = to a=20 wide

range of folks who've used the moog synth. also some fun theremin = stuff,=20 which

is how moog got his start.

there was a great quote from moog (paraphrase): improvisation is = just a=20 series of wrong notes.

thought that was great.

and the extra performances on the dvd are most interesting to watch = some=20 djs/electronic musicians doing live stuff. saw lots of korg kaoss pads = and the=20 boss dr samples hooked up, as

well as keyboards/synths....

thought i'd share, definately an enjoyable 70 min of watching & = listening....

s----

Yahoo! for Good
Click=20 here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C5C60D.39A77F00--

Thanks a lot, = Ivan!

The clock is sitting happily in my = kitchen!

I'd never thought I would bring a = trophy home from the festival!

 

I made a link from the = loopfestival site to your gallery.

 

Yours,

Bernhard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: ivan kapec [mailto:ivan@roccoipartner.hr]
Sent: Samstag, 3. September 2005 13:47
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: zurich = photos

 

Hello all,

 

In consideration about loopfestival…

 

Once again, thanks Bernhard for organization of such importan event. We had = lot of good music, new sounds and of course,  lot of = fun.

There were lot of good vibes and ideas for future collaboration beetween musicians…

 

Here are some photos from the festival>

 

http://www.triangulizo= na.com/Egallery.htm

 

 

Thanks, also to all loopers who came in Zurich to share his experiences and = musicianship with other.

 

Best regards,

 

 

ivan = kapec

ivan@triangulizona.com<= /font>

www.triangulizona.com