From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 05:04:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E135C3BF2E; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 05:04:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" Subject: The PiNG presents GeekWeekend Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 01:09:30 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <004d01c59657$328957b0$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <1U3u_C.A.FcH.X1a7CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 05:04:23 +0000 (UTC) THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday August 2nd - GeekWeekend This is the debut performance of new music ensemble GeekWeekend - featuring Rob Hoare, on loan to Canada from Berlin, and Steven Sauve, at no extra charge. GeekWeekend makes use of chance techniques, musical instruments, and the occasional laptop or two. This upcoming show will feature the rolling of dice, some game playing, and English language poetry spoken by Se-rok Park, a Korean woman with a German accent. And that's just the first set! Rob Hoare (sax, flute, laptop, words, dice) - http://www.robhoare.de Steven Sauve (synthesizer, laptop, dice) - http://www.karmafarm.ca Between Sets CD - "Outpost" by Robert Rich & Ian Boddy Outpost" is the 1st collaboration between British synthesist Ian Boddy and American ambient master Robert Rich. Together, they have concocted a mysterious blend of fluid electronic rhythms and impressionistic 50's Sci-Fi soundscapes. http://www.robertrich.com http://www.din.org.uk . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday August 9th - Nilan Perera and CJ Boyd http://www.sarahpeebles.net/cinn_bio_perera.htm http://www.cjboyd.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ||: IN THE LOOP :|| by Luna Tek On Tuesday, July 26, 2005, THE AMBiENT PiNG closed out the month of July with Planet of the Loops featuring Aidan Baker and Andrew Aldridge. Aidan and Andrew kept things simple for this show, augmenting their distinctive electric guitar sounds with samples, effects boxes and looping pedals. An otherworldly presence was front & center early in the first set with distorted vocal samples woven into delicately probing guitar loops. As this freely improvised set developed, the voices faded into deeper spaces. Subtle samples injected through guitar pickups mingled with the loopers' pure instrumental experimentation, creating sensuous waves of sound. Returning to the stage for a second set, Andrew and Aidan started things off with a beautifully textured passage that slowly built to an intense swell of electronic sound before unwinding into quiet whispers of distortion. As Aidan grabbed his bow, Andrew put his guitar down to focus on manipulating his pedals and the set concluded with a passage blending the tonal and the atonal drifts of interplanetary loops. More information at: http://listen.to/aidan and http://www.geocities.com/energymadeaudible/planet.html *** iPOP PING magazine is shaping up to be a wide ranging, whimsical collection of ambient thoughts, experimental attitudes and innovative art. Articles, poetry and art submissions are still being welcomed at this address: luna@theambientping.com - Luna Tek. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Eye of the Nautilus" by Numina It's subtle and magical, playing right on the periphery of the senses. I sit very still while I'm listening to it, afraid that any movement or noise might mean that I miss some of it, something crucial. Something important. It requires focus. "Eye of the Nautilus" is the second release on the Hypnos label by Jesse Sola of Numina. My appreciation for Jesse's work, my adoration for his music, is pretty well documented by this point. But even given my feelings, I was totally unprepared for the beauty of "Eye of the Nautilus". There's a womblike serenity to this music, something so natural, so warm, so inviting. Tracks drift and flow throughout the disc, slight melodies and distant sounds rising and falling on the edge of your hearing. Time seems to slow down while it plays, as if minutes and seconds have less meaning and are instead measured by the passing of notes and waves. It all comes together so fluidly, so naturally, so perfectly that it seems like this music has always existed, that this is the sound of the oceans, and the earth, and the moon, and the stars, and everything else. Primal, connected, organic. It's subtle and magical, playing right on the periphery of the senses. I sit very still while I'm listening to it, afraid that any movement or noise might mean that I miss some of it, something crucial. Something important. Something divine. Something wonderful. Something... perfect. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 05:18:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E2FD3BF51; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 05:18:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pXLqSF9Yy59qeXqltt43IkFWkGyowIHji2OykG/2XYCTmnVXf2bStG2gZX7/6MZkAudpmRRwK4tRnTZ6hGugz1qBpIDQS/eX5lwly0ZbeaKO0RCUP1J6odv8tfqwpSEqtFrmHTO8lnD8fLpIeDIzHAS/fSbO8uzaf/NA+YnrtKw= Message-ID: <64b81a78050731221813c15fee@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 01:18:22 -0400 From: Todd Pafford Reply-To: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01260FAA@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01260FAA@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <3Q9J6D.A.KyH.fCb7CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 05:18:23 +0000 (UTC) Kris, This sounds like a great idea and I wish you the best of luck. It certainly seems like it should be do-able. The solution I'm imagining would involve running your audio into the laptop, doing a continuous conversion into mp3, then streaming that out. Certainly doesn't sound too difficult, or too taxing on the hardware. Unfortunately, I don't know of any applications off the top of my head. What OS are you using? I think I could cook something up on my linux box using available tools and a simple script, but that probably wouldn't help you if you're on Windows. OSX might have similar capabilities, but I don't know. Todd On 7/31/05, Hartung, Kris wrote: > Does anyone know of a cost effective way to share real-time performances > over the web? I tried the voice feature of my Yahoo Chat room , and it > is atrocious. I can hear the music, but it is very choppy and at a low > bit/frequency rate. You would think that with a fast internet and a > laptop that there is some effective way to do this without costing a > fortune or owning a remote server. What about Real Audio? Any free > resources to pull this off? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 05:23:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C1DE3BF5B; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 05:23:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 23:22:54 -0600 Message-ID: <003101c59659$120d3b80$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <64b81a78050731221813c15fee@mail.gmail.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 113, in=365, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 05:23:01 +0000 (UTC) Yes, that sounds like what I want to do alright...streaming MP3 directly from my laptop. I am using XP. The trick is that I'd like to do it from my host and not an external web server. It would be sort of like those internet services who provide peer-to-peer file sharing, rather than relying on an intermediate server. I suppose I could setup my laptop as a webserver, if I knew how to do that. Whatever the case, it needs to work wherever I go and there is WI-FI access. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Todd Pafford [mailto:calenlas@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 11:18 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances Kris, This sounds like a great idea and I wish you the best of luck. It certainly seems like it should be do-able. The solution I'm imagining would involve running your audio into the laptop, doing a continuous conversion into mp3, then streaming that out. Certainly doesn't sound too difficult, or too taxing on the hardware. Unfortunately, I don't know of any applications off the top of my head. What OS are you using? I think I could cook something up on my linux box using available tools and a simple script, but that probably wouldn't help you if you're on Windows. OSX might have similar capabilities, but I don't know. Todd On 7/31/05, Hartung, Kris wrote: > Does anyone know of a cost effective way to share real-time > performances over the web? I tried the voice feature of my Yahoo Chat > room , and it is atrocious. I can hear the music, but it is very > choppy and at a low bit/frequency rate. You would think that with a > fast internet and a laptop that there is some effective way to do this > without costing a fortune or owning a remote server. What about Real > Audio? Any free resources to pull this off? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 08:15:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D416D3BF42; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 08:15:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=ttPYrgI/Yg/E1tL2pe/3NwEmuhnsnaX/ir5svjz6ycEDfLettVqphU0EGNXj8Bo2XlaQ7OJxMxfCRl55PP2HTMhmSLE8UeSGK6ay5FsnBOthpld21GWhvToQ36h12nNL2VwMWSI+4LLgv4d+gqkn/EKogsdVaptTu5T5BS5fegY= ; Message-ID: <001e01c59671$26a474b0$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <003101c59659$120d3b80$6501a8c0@khartung> Subject: Re: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 10:15:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 08:15:19 +0000 (UTC) What about skype? It's meant for telephony, so the it will be realtime (no chopping sound) but the quality will suffer ;-) Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 7:22 AM Subject: RE: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances > Yes, that sounds like what I want to do alright...streaming MP3 directly > from my laptop. I am using XP. The trick is that I'd like to do it from > my host and not an external web server. It would be sort of like those > internet services who provide peer-to-peer file sharing, rather than > relying on an intermediate server. I suppose I could setup my laptop as > a webserver, if I knew how to do that. Whatever the case, it needs to > work wherever I go and there is WI-FI access. > > Kris > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Pafford [mailto:calenlas@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 11:18 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances > > > Kris, > > This sounds like a great idea and I wish you the best of luck. It > certainly seems like it should be do-able. The solution I'm imagining > would involve running your audio into the laptop, doing a continuous > conversion into mp3, then streaming that out. Certainly doesn't sound > too difficult, or too taxing on the hardware. Unfortunately, I don't > know of any applications off the top of my head. > > What OS are you using? I think I could cook something up on my linux > box using available tools and a simple script, but that probably > wouldn't help you if you're on Windows. OSX might have similar > capabilities, but I don't know. > > Todd > > > > On 7/31/05, Hartung, Kris wrote: >> Does anyone know of a cost effective way to share real-time >> performances over the web? I tried the voice feature of my Yahoo Chat > >> room , and it is atrocious. I can hear the music, but it is very >> choppy and at a low bit/frequency rate. You would think that with a >> fast internet and a laptop that there is some effective way to do this > >> without costing a fortune or owning a remote server. What about Real >> Audio? Any free resources to pull this off? > > ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 13:15:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F2963BF3C; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:15:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 09:17:47 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? Thread-Index: AcWU8hS+/FHUoORST42Q2aWy0PQG8gBqOoag From: "Brian" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:15:15 +0000 (UTC) Has anyone mentioned Howie Day yet? If not add him to the list. =20 Also Brock Butler (from the band Perpetual Groove uses a looping device = for his solo shows) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 13:27:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 487E13BF51; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:27:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 15:27:38 +0200 From: "Torstein H. Rem" Subject: Re: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000601c5969c$c9a9cc20$0200000a@remwavesnet> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:27:42 +0000 (UTC) Singer/songwriter (now also film composer) Magnet has used looping as a main part of his live playing, especially the solo acts. Lap guitar and looping, probably a DL4. http://www.homeofmagnet.com/ T. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian" To: Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 3:17 PM Subject: RE: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? Has anyone mentioned Howie Day yet? If not add him to the list. Also Brock Butler (from the band Perpetual Groove uses a looping device for his solo shows) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 15:00:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C18A3BF56; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 15:00:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Ryman1960@aol.com Message-ID: <1f1.40c38296.301f931d@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:00:45 EDT Subject: Re: Performers using Looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1122908445" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5200 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 15:00:51 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1122908445 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone ever heard of master looper Joseph Hammer. Real time looping using 1950's era Apex machine, laptop running Abelton Live? If not, ya'll should check out his work. -------------------------------1122908445 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Has anyone ever heard of master looper Joseph Hammer.  Real time=20 looping using 1950's era Apex machine, laptop running Abelton Live?  If= =20 not, ya'll should check out his work.
 -------------------------------1122908445-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 15:06:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D08D3BF6F; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 15:06:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007c01c596aa$8c2bbad0$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <42EC93BB.28167.176FD1@localhost> Subject: Receptor Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 10:59:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 15:06:15 +0000 (UTC) I thought some of you might be interested in this as there's been some discussion about having hardware hosts such as Receptor for VST instruments. http://www.museresearch.com/receptor_videos.php Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 16:36:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD96F3BF53; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:36:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 18:37:50 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c596b7$5be038d0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <003101c59659$120d3b80$6501a8c0@khartung> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:36:32 +0000 (UTC) Kris, the problem here ist that somebody needs to have the upstream capacity to stream your stream bandwidth times the number of listeners, and there are chances that your wi-fi internet access will not provide that. So in most cases, the deal is to either connect to a server with a high-bandwidth connection or at least to use an additional server (with this kind of connection) as a relay. I had tried that with several of my computers at home and in the office - for generating the stream, I used an input plugin for winamp (called line_in.dll) that provides your computers' line input as a source in Winamp and then used the Oddcast DSP plugin to generate an Ogg/Vorbis stream. This stream was then distributed with a software that was called ezstream. All of these programs came for free, at least for the short time I was experimenting with them. I don't know of any a-la-torrent solutions where the clients also serve streams themselves. Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com]=20 Gesendet: Montag, 1. August 2005 07:23 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: RE: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances Yes, that sounds like what I want to do alright...streaming MP3 directly from my laptop. I am using XP. The trick is that I'd like to do it from my host and not an external web server. It would be sort of like those internet services who provide peer-to-peer file sharing, rather than relying on an intermediate server. I suppose I could setup my laptop as a webserver, if I knew how to do that. Whatever the case, it needs to work wherever I go and there is WI-FI access.=20 Kris -----Original Message----- From: Todd Pafford [mailto:calenlas@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 11:18 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances Kris, This sounds like a great idea and I wish you the best of luck. It certainly seems like it should be do-able. The solution I'm imagining would involve running your audio into the laptop, doing a continuous conversion into mp3, then streaming that out. Certainly doesn't sound too difficult, or too taxing on the hardware. Unfortunately, I don't know of any applications off the top of my head. What OS are you using? I think I could cook something up on my linux box using available tools and a simple script, but that probably wouldn't help you if you're on Windows. OSX might have similar capabilities, but I don't know. Todd On 7/31/05, Hartung, Kris wrote: > Does anyone know of a cost effective way to share real-time > performances over the web? I tried the voice feature of my Yahoo Chat > room , and it is atrocious. I can hear the music, but it is very > choppy and at a low bit/frequency rate. You would think that with a=20 > fast internet and a laptop that there is some effective way to do this > without costing a fortune or owning a remote server. What about Real > Audio? Any free resources to pull this off? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 16:52:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82DC83BF67; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:52:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WurRpiaV6IZbT1tZ0k2ywo34iJNlRP/4P5F1QX1G+CMBBVM5OPtSShFf1I9w+jRnJkSt3aX85sB057DRIC3wYuIhl+ur2YoGswkmn7HgTYXx5FPGAIKPIMTeui9Djn+y+F9DQzsH527M3EObxvOE4Ol5NJQBMbtGCuUFfHR0t6E= Message-ID: <64b81a7805080109525f46423b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:52:43 -0400 From: Todd Pafford Reply-To: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances In-Reply-To: <000001c596b7$5be038d0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <003101c59659$120d3b80$6501a8c0@khartung> <000001c596b7$5be038d0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 16:52:44 +0000 (UTC) Rainer, Good point on the bandwidth thing. I hadn't even thought of that.=20 Sounds like the best thing to do would be to set up a relay so the laptop is effectively only serving one client over WiFi. I sent Kris a long email off list describing additional headaches that can be expected if he's got to deal with firewalls and such. Using a relay, though, may simplify issues a little. Todd On 8/1/05, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Kris, >=20 > the problem here ist that somebody needs to have the upstream capacity > to stream your stream bandwidth times the number of listeners, and there > are chances that your wi-fi internet access will not provide that. So in > most cases, the deal is to either connect to a server with a > high-bandwidth connection or at least to use an additional server (with > this kind of connection) as a relay. >=20 > I had tried that with several of my computers at home and in the office > - for generating the stream, I used an input plugin for winamp (called > line_in.dll) that provides your computers' line input as a source in > Winamp and then used the Oddcast DSP plugin to generate an Ogg/Vorbis > stream. This stream was then distributed with a software that was called > ezstream. >=20 > All of these programs came for free, at least for the short time I was > experimenting with them. >=20 > I don't know of any a-la-torrent solutions where the clients also serve > streams themselves. >=20 > Rainer >=20 > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com] > Gesendet: Montag, 1. August 2005 07:23 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: RE: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances >=20 >=20 > Yes, that sounds like what I want to do alright...streaming MP3 directly > from my laptop. I am using XP. The trick is that I'd like to do it from > my host and not an external web server. It would be sort of like those > internet services who provide peer-to-peer file sharing, rather than > relying on an intermediate server. I suppose I could setup my laptop as > a webserver, if I knew how to do that. Whatever the case, it needs to > work wherever I go and there is WI-FI access. >=20 > Kris >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Pafford [mailto:calenlas@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 11:18 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances >=20 >=20 > Kris, >=20 > This sounds like a great idea and I wish you the best of luck. It > certainly seems like it should be do-able. The solution I'm imagining > would involve running your audio into the laptop, doing a continuous > conversion into mp3, then streaming that out. Certainly doesn't sound > too difficult, or too taxing on the hardware. Unfortunately, I don't > know of any applications off the top of my head. >=20 > What OS are you using? I think I could cook something up on my linux > box using available tools and a simple script, but that probably > wouldn't help you if you're on Windows. OSX might have similar > capabilities, but I don't know. >=20 > Todd >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 7/31/05, Hartung, Kris wrote: > > Does anyone know of a cost effective way to share real-time > > performances over the web? I tried the voice feature of my Yahoo Chat >=20 > > room , and it is atrocious. I can hear the music, but it is very > > choppy and at a low bit/frequency rate. You would think that with a > > fast internet and a laptop that there is some effective way to do this >=20 > > without costing a fortune or owning a remote server. What about Real > > Audio? Any free resources to pull this off? >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --=20 ~~calenlas~~ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 17:11:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 073633BF6C; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 17:11:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: , "'Galactic Travels Yahoogroup'" , "'Ambient Hyperreal List'" , "'AIMusic Yahoogroup'" , "'WDIY'" Subject: RE: Galactic Travels Playlist #435 for July 21, 2005 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:16:05 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000001c596bc$b3e6e9c0$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <42E93BAA.5010500@soundscapes.us> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 17:11:00 +0000 (UTC) Hi Bill, Thanks for playing some dreamSTATE in with the other space cadets... Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Fox [mailto:billyfox@soundscapes.us] > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 4:10 PM > To: Galactic Travels Yahoogroup; Ambient Hyperreal List; > AIMusic Yahoogroup; WDIY > Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #435 for July 21, 2005 > > > http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/050721.html > > Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music > show, that > airs each > Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and > Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 > FM in > Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and > Trexlertown, > 92.9 FM on > Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. > > Show #435 July 21, 2005 > > RECAP: > On this show, I continued the month-long focus on the > music-bar mailing > list. The > Featured CD at Midnight was "M@stock 03 - Selection" which is > a unique > CDR provided > exclusively to Galactic Travels. > > The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Delired Cameleon Family" by many > musicians on > EMI Records, released in 1975. > > music-bar - > http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#jul > > > PLAYLIST: > > 11:04 pm > ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) > ======================= ======================== > ================================== > Delired Cameleon Family Weird Company Delired > Cameleon Family > (EMI) > Wayne Lytle Harmonic Voltage Animusic Video Album > Soundtrack > (Animusic) > Binar The Hidden Meaning Project Poltergeist > (NeuHarmony) > Binar Remembering Giants Project Poltergeist > (NeuHarmony) > Arttek Talos Arttek 2005 (none) > Neal Merrick We Are To Be Magic > Traveler (Space > for Music) > dreamSTATE Crossing Passage (e-SPACE) > Ken Martin Transparent Shadows Transparent Shadows > (Space for > Music) > > 12:00 am > music-barians Trip Cafe M@stock 03 - > Selection > (none) > music-barians Oriental Journey M@stock 03 - > Selection > (none) > music-barians Space Ping M@stock 03 - > Selection > (none) > music-barians At the Harem M@stock 03 - > Selection > (none) > music-barians Tia's Song M@stock 03 - > Selection > (none) > music-barians Bass Jam M@stock 03 - > Selection > (none) > music-barians Ambient Drums * M@stock 03 - > Selection > (none) > > 1:00 am > > * = excerpt > VA = Various Artists (compilation) > ++ = Advance CDR from Artist > > > NEXT SHOW: > On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long > focus on the > music-bar > mailing list. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "M@stock 03 - The > Approach of > Mars" from the Ringoes, New Jersey meet in 2003. This is a > unique CDR > provided > exclusively to Galactic Travels. > > The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Fragments of Light" by > Sensations' Fix on > Polydor Records, released in 1974. > > Bill > ============================================================== > ================= > Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space > music show, > Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4:00 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and > Bethlehem, > 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and > Phillipsburg and > 92.9 on Service Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at > http://wdiy.org and > click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: > http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm > Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt > To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on > [Join This > Group!] > at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels > RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml > Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 17:27:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C2FD3BF3A; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 17:27:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: RE: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? (Famous song) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:29:41 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? Thread-Index: AcWU8hS+/FHUoORST42Q2aWy0PQG8gBqOoagAAiq6QA= From: "Brian" To: Resent-Message-ID: <-PyNRD.A.vsB.otl7CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 17:27:04 +0000 (UTC) I'm not very familiar with Howie Day yet (just heard my 1st solo gig = show yesterday actually, but will be downloading more shortly). I just = did a little research, he uses a couple of Line 6 DL4s live (one for = voice one for his guitar) and uses some delay pedals as well. =20 He has one song ("Collide") that made it into the top 10 on the US = billboards. I don't know if he uses any looping on the album version, = but live he does. =20 P.S. he has a bunch of shows available for FREE download in lossless = formats www.archive.org/audio then search for Howie Day. -----Original Message----- From: Brian=20 Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 9:18 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? Has anyone mentioned Howie Day yet? If not add him to the list. =20 Also Brock Butler (from the band Perpetual Groove uses a looping device = for his solo shows) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 17:33:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBC973BF74; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 17:33:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:33:07 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B012610C7@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances Thread-Index: AcWWvxSeMI3aqTusQHOGH1w/p+kBZQ== From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2005 17:33:09.0246 (UTC) FILETIME=[156F41E0:01C596BF] Resent-Message-ID: <4LH_u.A.0CC.Yzl7CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 17:33:12 +0000 (UTC) So, you have used the winamp / Line In / Oddcast system successfully? = This works for me. I recall that last year I connected to Bernhard's = winamp stream at the last day of Y2K4 no problem. I'll give that a try = and try to have something for everyone to test by the end of this week. It does seem odd to me that with all the technology and fast internet = services we have now, that this is so difficult to achieve.=20 Kris On 8/1/05, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Kris, >=20 > the problem here ist that somebody needs to have the upstream capacity = > to stream your stream bandwidth times the number of listeners, and=20 > there are chances that your wi-fi internet access will not provide=20 > that. So in most cases, the deal is to either connect to a server with = > a high-bandwidth connection or at least to use an additional server=20 > (with this kind of connection) as a relay. >=20 > I had tried that with several of my computers at home and in the=20 > office > - for generating the stream, I used an input plugin for winamp (called > line_in.dll) that provides your computers' line input as a source in=20 > Winamp and then used the Oddcast DSP plugin to generate an Ogg/Vorbis=20 > stream. This stream was then distributed with a software that was=20 > called ezstream. >=20 > All of these programs came for free, at least for the short time I was = > experimenting with them. >=20 > I don't know of any a-la-torrent solutions where the clients also=20 > serve streams themselves. >=20 > Rainer >=20 > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com] > Gesendet: Montag, 1. August 2005 07:23 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: RE: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances >=20 >=20 > Yes, that sounds like what I want to do alright...streaming MP3=20 > directly from my laptop. I am using XP. The trick is that I'd like to = > do it from my host and not an external web server. It would be sort=20 > of like those internet services who provide peer-to-peer file sharing, = > rather than relying on an intermediate server. I suppose I could=20 > setup my laptop as a webserver, if I knew how to do that. Whatever the = > case, it needs to work wherever I go and there is WI-FI access. >=20 > Kris >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Pafford [mailto:calenlas@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 11:18 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances >=20 >=20 > Kris, >=20 > This sounds like a great idea and I wish you the best of luck. It=20 > certainly seems like it should be do-able. The solution I'm imagining = > would involve running your audio into the laptop, doing a continuous=20 > conversion into mp3, then streaming that out. Certainly doesn't sound = > too difficult, or too taxing on the hardware. Unfortunately, I don't=20 > know of any applications off the top of my head. >=20 > What OS are you using? I think I could cook something up on my linux=20 > box using available tools and a simple script, but that probably=20 > wouldn't help you if you're on Windows. OSX might have similar=20 > capabilities, but I don't know. >=20 > Todd >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 7/31/05, Hartung, Kris wrote: > > Does anyone know of a cost effective way to share real-time=20 > > performances over the web? I tried the voice feature of my Yahoo=20 > > Chat >=20 > > room , and it is atrocious. I can hear the music, but it is very=20 > > choppy and at a low bit/frequency rate. You would think that with a=20 > > fast internet and a laptop that there is some effective way to do=20 > > this >=20 > > without costing a fortune or owning a remote server. What about=20 > > Real Audio? Any free resources to pull this off? >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 -- ~~calenlas~~ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 17:44:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F220F3BF6B; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 17:44:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 13:44:20 -0400 From: kim galibert Subject: watermelon man In-reply-to: <20050801050424.7137A3BF46@arsenic.violacea.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <013301c596c0$ab93bb00$6603a8c0@vaio13> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_pWLXQx7Mec7gFcyeUYSbkw)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <_1mStB.A.sVC.G-l7CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 17:44:38 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_pWLXQx7Mec7gFcyeUYSbkw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT video of a mcferrin-esque vocal looping version of herbie hancock's take on watermelon man can be found here: www.iosonic.com/video/watermelonman.wmv www.iosonic.com/video/watermelonman.mov andrea nettleton-kirkman on vocals. kim handling the loops with ableton live. enjoy, kim --Boundary_(ID_pWLXQx7Mec7gFcyeUYSbkw) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message
video of a mcferrin-esque vocal looping version of herbie hancock's take on watermelon man can be found here:
 
 
andrea nettleton-kirkman on vocals.  kim handling the loops with ableton live.
 
enjoy,
 
kim
--Boundary_(ID_pWLXQx7Mec7gFcyeUYSbkw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 18:35:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5EDA3BF74; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 18:35:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: Subject: RE: Famous Acts using Loopmachines? Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:40:21 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <001701c596c8$78ef2010$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 In-reply-to: <000601c5969c$c9a9cc20$0200000a@remwavesnet> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 18:35:12 +0000 (UTC) Feist (Leslie Feist) includes a solo looping section in her shows where she loops her guitar and voice to very good effect. In her solo shows, of course, there's even more looping. Maybe she's not "famous" yet - but she will be. Great: voice, guitar, songs, stage presence and live looping. http://www.listentofeist.com/SITE/ Hey - I was just exploring a bit more of her site and there's a cool visual loop at the bottom of her Discography section. It's hard to spot the visual loop point. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 18:52:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3BB43BF60; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 18:52:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42EE6F67.8080001@finleysound.com> Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 11:52:23 -0700 From: "Matthew F. McCabe" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: need source for 2U rack enclosure References: <20050729230336.58931.qmail@web305.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=1762721012 X-Authenticated-User: finleysound@fastermac.net X-Verify-Helo: finleysound.com -> 68.142.*.* not in 66.248.88.48 X-NotAscii: charset=us-ascii; X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 66.248.88.48 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 18:52:27 +0000 (UTC) > > I'm looking for a source for a 2U rack enclosures. I'm building a > guitar preamp and need to rackmount the sucker. Thanks! > > Matt Nothing like answering your own query!! Anyway, just in cause anyone else is looking for enclosures, I found these two sites. http://www.whirlwindusa.com/rack01.html http://www.sescom.com/enclosures/rack_chassis.html -- King Never www.finleysound.com/kingnever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 19:15:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 320653BF6E; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 19:15:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=aKOkxz6asHGdOQzF0gL/yVX8AjSP/lIbodPZm+dgJQwWEaDaAuFp+GURU6LKvMH7LylsWy/Odxw2I5XFNKudXiqiQqubJYfNQS9dSqFBoUsLEjrMcRk3iQI8CoprtqxmHB8se2TY7wWvwivMA5VYt7VXwJzPIEp71Mh+IcFtS3k= Message-ID: <64b81a780508011215731c7672@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 15:15:22 -0400 From: Todd Pafford Reply-To: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: need source for 2U rack enclosure In-Reply-To: <42EE6F67.8080001@finleysound.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050729230336.58931.qmail@web305.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <42EE6F67.8080001@finleysound.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 19:15:24 +0000 (UTC) Heh. I thought you were talking about rack cases. Oops. :) On 8/1/05, Matthew F. McCabe wrote: > > > > I'm looking for a source for a 2U rack enclosures. I'm building a > > guitar preamp and need to rackmount the sucker. Thanks! > > > > Matt >=20 > Nothing like answering your own query!! Anyway, just in cause anyone > else is looking for enclosures, I found these two sites. >=20 > http://www.whirlwindusa.com/rack01.html >=20 > http://www.sescom.com/enclosures/rack_chassis.html >=20 >=20 > -- > King Never > www.finleysound.com/kingnever >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --=20 ~~calenlas~~ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 19:31:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C5833BF51; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 19:31:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qkgHqEeV+DH+zQOa2NKnKUJwgMo4ZWspBXaIGrQQV+I0qhLOPKI9O31lT1pIZZHQ7Ja7H9hdZgA5k0kJqwdsoZAxi/nN2doEjH16d7TjF/3SFPCHSI0iUbv0RXuaPbLG3ncSJiiwVOx51sUS1IAIKTTqeCI2CMrzjgWrJjl53Ds= Message-ID: <64b81a7805080112311e988800@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 15:31:16 -0400 From: Todd Pafford Reply-To: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B012610C7@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B012610C7@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 19:31:18 +0000 (UTC) It might be possible to 'fake' a peer-to-peer bittorrent-esque solution setting up a group of relays. Here's the topology I'm thinking of: Laptop streams to a single relay R1. A handful of secondary relays R2-R6 are set up to pull from R1. At this point a user could connect to any of the relays to grab the stream. This would hopefully spread the load out so that we're not relying on R1 having a really fat pipe to serve all the streams. Of course, you'd need some friends to help you out as additional relays. Just a thought. This may be overkill depending on your audience size. Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 20:44:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7BF73BF51; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 20:44:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:44:32 -0600 Message-ID: <006101c596d9$d21888a0$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <64b81a7805080109525f46423b@mail.gmail.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.772000 Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 114, in=376, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <_zYD4.A.b1H.ymo7CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 20:44:34 +0000 (UTC) Okay, it took me about 30 min. to figure out the Winamp system, but I got it up and running on my laptop. Go to http://192.168.1.101:8000/ Click on listen. I created a short loop sequence. Respond if you can hear it. Thanks! Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 20:48:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D5C43BF60; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 20:48:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Andrew Chaikin" To: Subject: RE: Great video on Ableton Live live looping by Kid Beyond Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:48:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <42E943D4.4010400@post.cybercity.dk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcWUV5pB7MRLuuWeTj6Oz/syy1HNhQCfz1ew Message-Id: <20050801204843.75CFB60C165@smtp.spamarrest.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 20:48:47 +0000 (UTC) Kid Beyond here. Thanks to Per for posting that link, and thanks to all for your kind words about the video. I'll have more stuff -- audio and video -- up on my site soon. Although I've been too busy of late to be anything more than a lurker on LD, I recommend it to everyone who approaches me after my shows with an interest in live-looping. The advice and support of LD regulars (e.g., Per, Rick Walker, Jon Wagner, Zoe Keating) have been immensely helpful to me. In answer to some of the questions: Regarding first-loop capability: Yup, that's a click track (actually, it's my voice going "tss... tss... tss... tss..."). Ableton currently has no first-loop capability (and I'm on a PC, so I can't use Augustus Loop for that), but they already know the looper community wants it, and I'm going to do everything I can (begging, wheedling, cajoling) to see if they can put it in Live 6. I'm not currently using an ear monitor (I try to keep my setup very light and quick, and that would be one more piece of gear to worry about) but after a few sketchy experiences in large venues -- i.e., hearing much more of the boomy hall than of the monitor right in front of me -- I'm going to look in that direction. I will of course search the LD archives for good advice! :) Regarding a Bome MIDI Translator equivalent for Mac: On the video I said ControlAid, but I shouldn't have said anything, because I don't have a Mac and haven't tried it. (I desperately want to switch to Mac, but as of now, Ableton works much more CPU-efficiently on the fastest PC laptops than on the fastest PowerBook -- more tracks, more VST plugins, etc. See the Live 4 Performance Test thread on the Ableton forums for more info.) >From reading the descriptions of ControlAid on its site, I don't think it could handle the MIDI-events-into-multiple- keystrokes thing. A much brighter prospect is MidiPipe (Google it for more info). Either by itself or integrated with AppleScript, it may be able to accomplish that task. But once again, I haven't tried it. I'm not that deep of a programmer, but it seems like a basic MIDI-events-into-keystrokes translator would be pretty simple to build, no? Anyone want to take that on? :) Kid Beyond email@kidbeyond.com (415) 929-8822 http://biggerbread.com | http://kidbeyond.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 1 20:54:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32B7F3BF75; Mon, 1 Aug 2005 20:54:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 14:54:31 -0600 Message-ID: <006301c596db$37240980$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <006101c596d9$d21888a0$6501a8c0@khartung> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.772000 Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 114, in=367, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 20:54:33 +0000 (UTC) This may not be working afterall...I may have it running fine in my own local network here, from wirless laptop to laptop. I need to get on a different system outside of my network to test. More later. -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com] Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:45 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances Okay, it took me about 30 min. to figure out the Winamp system, but I got it up and running on my laptop. Go to http://192.168.1.101:8000/ Click on listen. I created a short loop sequence. Respond if you can hear it. Thanks! Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 2 00:46:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF1483BF4A; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 00:46:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: FW: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 18:46:40 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B012611BD@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances Thread-Index: AcWW+Ga8ZFttQDp9TtiBeg0KFMYfDwAATQXQAABxbKA= From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2005 00:46:42.0402 (UTC) FILETIME=[A67BDC20:01C596FB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 00:46:43 +0000 (UTC) =20 I'm going to copy the group on this, because I think it is very = informative. =20 Basically, what I've learned so far is that I can't use the = Shoutcast/Winamp system because I don't have my own server or don't have = access to one...but it works great in my home WI-FI network! :) Skype = is not an option because only four people can conference at the same = time, and it is only voice quality. What I am left with right now is to = pay a service for the streaming capability. I like that anyway, because = it is less hassle for me. =20 Ken brought up Live365.com...very cool. My comments below on that. =20 This about sums it up, below. The P300 would work for me, 30 live = listeners, but I still can't justify the price when playing only 2-3 = gigs a month, and perhaps only one where there is a WI-FI connection = where people can listen it. Why don't these companies offer a pay per = use plan? I would be willing to pay someone $5 an hour for usage...that = is $10 - $15 a gig. https://store.live365.com/orders/comparison-chart.live =20 The P100 might even work for starters....I doubt I would have more than = 10 virtual listeners at an average performance, especially with the time = zone change to Europe, US, etc. You are right, ideal would be for three = musicians in Moutain Time, East Cost Time, and UK time to share one = service, like P300. That would be only $8 a piece. =20 Any other services out there like this? We're getting closer..... =20 Kris =20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Ken Higgins [mailto:khl2005@topic.net] Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 6:23 PM To: Hartung, Kris Subject: RE: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances Kris, First of all, depending on how you navigate around and which buttons you = push at the Live365.com website, the "setup fee" may be Free, or up to = $199. So be aware of this. As soon as you get under "PRO Station = Options" they want to charge more. If you are only streaming non-copyrighted stuff, it's easy. They have = different packages which include royalty payments if needed. Their "P1000" package (one of the ones listed under "Personal Station = Options" then -> "For Serious Personal Broadcasters") includes 100 = "Live/Relay" Simultaneous listeners. This is the closest to what we = have and it costs $45/month. No hourly charges, but we've never maxed out in the 5 months we've been = with them. We have a slightly different deal as we are a non-profit and = they adjusted some things for us. We only stream our live signal with = Live365 so you'll have to check into what you can and cannot do with the = 1,000 MB of storage. The package includes their software to stream to them, which is pretty = simple. There is an interface for seeing how many users are online, = etc. but I don't see any "chat room" function. I'd imagine that having live messages reach you in a way that is legible = while playing (i.e. BIG FONT) may be easier with an email client rather than a browser. YMMV. There is some stuff where you have to place a MIME type setup file = (htaccess, actually) to have links on your web page correctly point to = their audio servers, but it's pretty quick and simple. Could be a cool opportunity to have several like-minded musicians chip = in and have an inexpensive shared resource... Back to hardware/software: RE: your setup... Wow! You must push the CPU pretty hard at times. I'm pretty hardware-based for effects (Chapman Stick, 4 multi-effects = units, smattering of pedals, two Vortices, EMU PX-7 for percussion). But..., the EDP doesn't seem to think the way I do. Right now I'm = looking to migrate away from my pair of beige EDPs (upgraded to Pro's) = and towards software looping tools. Ableton Live looks really, really = interesting. I use Logic as my main DAW. Looking at Mobius, Augustus, = SooperLooper or Ableton. Any suggestions or links come to mind? Sorry if you've already = discussed this in the forum, if so let me know and I'll search it some = more. Even though I prefer to stay with the Mac platform, it looks like = I may have to go PC for the looper (I'd just put together a robust 2U = rack-mount PC, if I have to). Feel free to not respond to this part if = you don't have time. Ken Higgins =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- You wrote: >Interesting. How much does it cost per hour to stream to Live365? I've >given up on Winamp/Shoutcast. I don't have my own server, which seems >to be the catch with all of these services...and there is no way my ISP >is going to let me use their server. So I'm screwed. >Skype won't work...you can only conference with >4 other people, and it is geared for voice >calls, not music. This is frustrating. > >Kris > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ken Higgins [mailto:khl2005@topic.net] >Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:21 PM >To: Hartung, Kris >Subject: RE: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances > > >Hi Kris, Ken from Loopers-Delight with an off-list reply. > >I work for a PBS-TV / NPR-Radio station in >Northern California (krcb.org), and have gone >through some of what you are describing/trying >to do. > >We _were_ streaming our own radio broadcasts, >and now we use Live365.com to multicast our >signal. >Why? > >Even with a kick-ass DSL connection with 5mb >downstream and 1mb upstream we simply could not >handle enough users simultaneously. Plus, as >the listener count increased, so did the CPU >required. Pretty soon we had a pretty fast >machine connected to a pretty fast Internet >connection, and users were still getting refused >or dropped. No fun for anyone. > >Now, with Live365 (which is _not_ a perfect >service) we stream them ONE mp3 stream at our >choice of bit rates, and they in turn multi-cast >that to the world. We currently have a limit of >100 simultaneous users. > >This has been working well for us, compared to >"rolling our own". I do like the bit-torrent >sort of idea, but that pretty much breaks the >real-time interactivity aspect. > >So, do the math on how many users you would >expect (at the venue and via the 'Net), and >you'll see that the demands for bandwidth and >CPU horsepower quickly get rather staggering, by >normal standards. Perhaps Live365 or some such >service has discounted service available for >single events. Our delay with them is on the >order of 10-15 seconds. > >Let me know if I can help. > >Ken > >PS: You turned me on to the replacement "rotary >encoders" for the Lexicon Vortex many months >back. I seem to remember you didn't continue to >use the Vortex. May I ask why? Still looking >for 'mangling tools? > >Thanks! > >=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-= =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D- > > >>So, you have used the winamp / Line In / Oddcast system successfully? >>This works for me. I recall that last year I connected to Bernhard's >>winamp stream at the last day of Y2K4 no problem. I'll give that a try >>and try to have something for everyone to test by the end of this = week. >> >>It does seem odd to me that with all the technology and fast internet >>services we have now, that this is so difficult to achieve. >> >>Kris >> >> >>On 8/1/05, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill = wrote: >>> Kris, >>> >>> the problem here ist that somebody needs to have the upstream >>> capacity to stream your stream bandwidth times the number of >>> listeners, and there are chances that your wi-fi internet access >>> will not provide that. So in most cases, the deal is to either >>> connect to a server with a high-bandwidth connection or at least = to >>> use an additional server (with this kind of connection) as a = relay. >>> >>> I had tried that with several of my computers at home and in the >>> office >>> - for generating the stream, I used an input plugin for winamp >>> (called >>> line_in.dll) that provides your computers' line input as a source = in >>> Winamp and then used the Oddcast DSP plugin to generate an = Ogg/Vorbis >>> stream. This stream was then distributed with a software that was >>> called ezstream. >>> >>> All of these programs came for free, at least for the short time I >>> was experimenting with them. >>> >>> I don't know of any a-la-torrent solutions where the clients also >>> serve streams themselves. >>> >>> Rainer >>> >>> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com] >>> Gesendet: Montag, 1. August 2005 07:23 >>> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Betreff: RE: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances >>> >>> >>> Yes, that sounds like what I want to do alright...streaming MP3 >>> directly from my laptop. I am using XP. The trick is that I'd like >>> to do it from my host and not an external web server. It would be >>> sort of like those internet services who provide peer-to-peer file >>> sharing, rather than relying on an intermediate server. I suppose = I >>> could setup my laptop as a webserver, if I knew how to do that. >>> Whatever the case, it needs to work wherever >>>I go and there is WI-FI access. >>> >>> Kris >>> >> > >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Todd Pafford [mailto:calenlas@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 11:18 PM >>> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>> Subject: Re: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances >>> >>> >>> Kris, >>> >>> This sounds like a great idea and I wish you the best of luck. It >>> certainly seems like it should be do-able. The solution I'm >>> imagining would involve running your audio into the laptop, doing = a >>> continuous conversion into mp3, then streaming that out. = Certainly >>> doesn't sound too difficult, or too taxing on the hardware. >>> Unfortunately, I don't know of any applications off the top of my = head. >>> >>> What OS are you using? I think I could cook something up on my >>> linux box using available tools and a simple script, but that >>> probably wouldn't help you if you're on Windows. OSX might have >>> similar capabilities, but I don't know. >>> >>> Todd > >> >>> >>> >>> On 7/31/05, Hartung, Kris wrote: >>> > Does anyone know of a cost effective way to share real-time > >>> performances over the web? I tried the voice feature of my Yahoo = > >>> Chat >>> >>> > room , and it is atrocious. I can hear the music, but it is = very >>> > choppy and at a low bit/frequency rate. You would think that with = a >>> > fast internet and a laptop that there is some effective way to do >>> > this >>> >>> > without costing a fortune or owning a remote server. What about >>> > Real Audio? Any free resources to pull this off? >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>-- >>~~calenlas~~ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 2 05:48:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94B9F3BF56; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 05:48:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ynu515kDI2JQybK76daeeq9dRAKlXo1CRN3K35QcZ4jXA+UL3Q+vA9lMtds8tkGPM7pNEzuKuiCM6skDJeovdf5nOJSjxlmSwpkaUOiUqPtQIw8dpuHzvjO5BEAmYXFaI3bXMA+e9SgouIrdALzzdfcR7LAGVuKiDbYJ6GVCXIk= ; Message-ID: <20050802054822.91514.qmail@web50503.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 22:48:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Rogers Reply-To: onemouthband@yahoo.com Subject: RE: EDP controller chart To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 05:48:23 +0000 (UTC) Bernard - It seems that we should indeed form a party to chart this out. Anyone else who's interested, please chime in as well! I sincerely hope someone who helped test/design LoopIV can help give us a jump start though. Some form of functionality chart/matrix/grid/diagram HAD to exist in the development stages of the software, right? I'll get something structural in Excel and post it in the next few days. Then the quibbling over content can begin! Sam Rogers One Mouth Band www.OneMouthBand.com -------------------------------------------------------- Sam, Maybe we should form a party: http://loopersdelight.com/LDarchive/200507/msg00029.html Bernhard http://nosuch.biz http://loopfestival.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Sam Rogers [mailto:onemouthband@yahoo.com] > Sent: Sonntag, 31. Juli 2005 02:05 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: EDP controller chart > > Has anyone ever seen a functionality grid for all the EDP > controls like there is for Perameter? I'm looking for any > kind of matrix/chart that shows what happens on a press, > long press, or latency-period press of each button for each > mode by perameter setting. I keeping making "new" > discoveries that are probably in the documentation, but not > in a form I've been able to absorb. And if it's in the > archive somewhere I can't find it. I hope that something is > out there that just I haven't found yet, in which case I'd > love it if y'all could point me in the right direction. > Thanks, as always! > > EXAMPLE: > =================================================== > | Record | Overdub | Multiply | (etc.) > =================================================== > Press | start | start | start | > | record | overdub | mulitply | > --------------------------------------------------- > LongPress | clear | duration | same as | > | loop | overdub | press | > --------------------------------------------------- > Record | stop, | clear | stop | > | play | loop | multiply^| > --------------------------------------------------- > Overdub | stop, | stop | stop | > | overdub | overdub | multiply*| > --------------------------------------------------- > Multiply | stop, | start | stop | > | multiply | multiply*| multiply~| > --------------------------------------------------- > (etc.) > > *leaves in overdub mode on exit > ^redefines cycle length to 1 > ~multi-increase on addtional presses (loop IV) > > > Sam Rogers > One Mouth Band > www.OneMouthBand.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 2 10:19:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EA9A3BF50; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:19:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vUOC1He0wOhNaLhsIK+v5FpMjLNKh9y2fQfwPRaFq0BjIyHm0Is/7k5egsMdj0ywLfxMmCkD5wujDZ9CUGGRe688FhoDYuij2hIuk8z/7lobBA9HdKo9bVH+wpiCrOuJbRd+3fvy4tFEyPfCWtSVdkVonOEnMxjSkWfQfwG8jyQ= ; Message-ID: <20050802101930.35739.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 03:19:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Velcro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <011901c595b1$7197c910$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:19:31 +0000 (UTC) Hi gang, I just recently put a pedal effect board together with different efxs and now i am looking for strong double lock velcro that will hold heavy effects like the dl4.They are all sitting on a NYC pedalboard like this: http://www.nycpedalboards.com/ i bought velcro strips here but they are not strong enough, any recomendations? be sure to tell me what model is good for this i will probably be ordering them online. thanx! Luis www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 2 12:29:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C0D83BF5B; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 12:29:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000401c5975e$e48d1b60$1f03d00c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <20050802101930.35739.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Velcro Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 07:37:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 12:29:00 +0000 (UTC) For my jazz setup... http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/jazzpedalboard/jazzpedalboard.html#V2 ...I use the stick-on Velcro stuff, but glue it onto the pedals with super glue or Epoxy. Even then they STILL come off occasionally, but it's much stronger than the sticky Velcro alone. Epoxy seems to be stronger then super glue. On the boards, I opted to just put loop Velcro pieces right under the pedals rather than covering the whole board with it...mainly because it doesn't attract as much cat hair. :) Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "L. Angulo" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 5:19 AM Subject: Velcro > Hi gang, > I just recently put a pedal effect board together with > different efxs and now i am looking for strong double > lock velcro that will hold heavy effects like the > dl4.They are all sitting on a NYC pedalboard like > this: http://www.nycpedalboards.com/ > i bought velcro strips here but they are not strong > enough, any recomendations? be sure to tell me what > model is good for this i will probably be ordering > them online. > thanx! > Luis > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 2 14:31:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 144B73BF56; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:31:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Velcro Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 08:31:35 -0600 Message-ID: <008901c5976e$e34c1ca0$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20050802101930.35739.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 115, in=379, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:31:40 +0000 (UTC) Hi Luis - You need some industry stength Velcro, which is 2 inches in width and comes in a 15 foot roll. http://www.officeworld.com/Worlds-Biggest-Selection/13972/05Q2/ I used this for my last pedalpoard, which had things on it like the Crybaby Wah, Electro-Harmonix Microsynth, Boss Volume pedal....all these things I stuck on with this grade of velcro. I even used it to stick half rack effects to a rack tray. If I could afford it, I would stick it all over my body and my walls pretend like I'm spinderman! :) Cheers, Kris http://www.krispenhartung.com http://www.boisemusicians.com/mp3.htm -----Original Message----- From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:19 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Velcro Hi gang, I just recently put a pedal effect board together with different efxs and now i am looking for strong double lock velcro that will hold heavy effects like the dl4.They are all sitting on a NYC pedalboard like this: http://www.nycpedalboards.com/ i bought velcro strips here but they are not strong enough, any recomendations? be sure to tell me what model is good for this i will probably be ordering them online. thanx! Luis www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 2 15:09:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4065A3BF4E; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:09:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 09:08:47 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01261249@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances Thread-Index: AcWXNBrJCaFouA8HSdCQVQOSVyowNgAPLw4g From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2005 15:08:51.0740 (UTC) FILETIME=[17926DC0:01C59774] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:09:01 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Mark. When you streamed your music, what did you use for a = server/IP address? The problem I am running into is that my Internet = Service Provider doesn't allow people to use their server like this, as = is the case for most popular ISPs like AOL, Earthlink, etc. Hence, I = would have to pay someone to use their server/ISP to stream or buy a = package like the Live365 service, which inclues the software, access to = their server, etc. In the Winamp/Shoutcast server software, I have to = type in an IP address of a server that it will use to stream the live = music. As everyone saw, I mistakenly used my wireless router IP, which = stream great on any computer in my house, but wasn't accessable to = anyone else outside the local network. After doing more web research, I am amazed at how much services are = charging for streaming bandwidth! This space is like gold! I heard = that you can turn your own computer into a server, but I don't have the = time or the funds to work on this. I'm still shocked by how difficult = it is to pull this off, given all the other easy to use technology out = there.=20 Oddcast...Shoutcast....I don't see them being used interchangeably on = the Shoutcast website. I did find the Oddcast.org website though. I = can't tell at first glance wheather you need your own server to use the = service or not. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Mark Francombe [mailto:Mark.Francombe@transformgroup.no]=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 1:31 AM To: Hartung, Kris; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances Kris, is Oddcast the same as Shoutcast? I run a radio station = www.synchnonsynch.com/radio.htm (today its down due to network problems) = but basically works liked a dream.. I USED tp have a manager in = Amsterdam that would record me on her computer FROM the stream I was = sending her.... often when I was just improvising.. after I was done she = would say.. that sounded good, and I recorded it! Its real easy to set up, only drawback being its BEST (but not = impossible) if you have a fixed IP and not dynamic...=20 Mark PS. Anyone wants me to play anything on my station, send it over! > -----Original Message----- > From: Hartung, Kris [mailto:kris.hartung@hp.com] > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 7:33 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances >=20 > So, you have used the winamp / Line In / Oddcast system successfully?=20 > This works for me. I recall that last year I connected to Bernhard's=20 > winamp stream at the last day of Y2K4 no problem. I'll give that a try = > and try to have something for everyone to test by the end of this = week. >=20 > It does seem odd to me that with all the technology and fast internet=20 > services we have now, that this is so difficult to achieve. >=20 > Kris >=20 >=20 > On 8/1/05, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill = wrote: > > Kris, > > > > the problem here ist that somebody needs to have the upstream=20 > > capacity to stream your stream bandwidth times the number of=20 > > listeners, and there are chances that your wi-fi internet access=20 > > will not provide that. So in most cases, the deal is to either=20 > > connect to a server with a high-bandwidth connection or at least to=20 > > use an additional server (with this kind of connection) as a relay. > > > > I had tried that with several of my computers at home and in the=20 > > office > > - for generating the stream, I used an input plugin for winamp=20 > > (called > > line_in.dll) that provides your computers' line input as a source in = > > Winamp and then used the Oddcast DSP plugin to generate an=20 > > Ogg/Vorbis stream. This stream was then distributed with a software=20 > > that was called ezstream. > > > > All of these programs came for free, at least for the short time I=20 > > was experimenting with them. > > > > I don't know of any a-la-torrent solutions where the clients also=20 > > serve streams themselves. > > > > Rainer > > > > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com] > > Gesendet: Montag, 1. August 2005 07:23 > > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Betreff: RE: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances > > > > > > Yes, that sounds like what I want to do alright...streaming MP3=20 > > directly from my laptop. I am using XP. The trick is that I'd like=20 > > to do it from my host and not an external web server. It would be=20 > > sort of like those internet services who provide peer-to-peer file=20 > > sharing, rather than relying on an intermediate server. I suppose I = > > could setup my laptop as a webserver, if I knew how to do that.=20 > > Whatever the case, it needs to work wherever I go and there is WI-FI = access. > > > > Kris > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Todd Pafford [mailto:calenlas@gmail.com] > > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 11:18 PM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances > > > > > > Kris, > > > > This sounds like a great idea and I wish you the best of luck. It=20 > > certainly seems like it should be do-able. The solution I'm=20 > > imagining would involve running your audio into the laptop, doing a=20 > > continuous conversion into mp3, then streaming that out. Certainly=20 > > doesn't sound too difficult, or too taxing on the hardware. =20 > > Unfortunately, I don't know of any applications off the top of my = head. > > > > What OS are you using? I think I could cook something up on my=20 > > linux box using available tools and a simple script, but that=20 > > probably wouldn't help you if you're on Windows. OSX might have=20 > > similar capabilities, but I don't know. > > > > Todd > > > > > > > > On 7/31/05, Hartung, Kris wrote: > > > Does anyone know of a cost effective way to share real-time=20 > > > performances over the web? I tried the voice feature of my Yahoo=20 > > > Chat > > > > > room , and it is atrocious. I can hear the music, but it is very=20 > > > choppy and at a low bit/frequency rate. You would think that with=20 > > > a fast internet and a laptop that there is some effective way to=20 > > > do this > > > > > without costing a fortune or owning a remote server. What about=20 > > > Real Audio? Any free resources to pull this off? > > > > > > > > >=20 >=20 > -- > ~~calenlas~~ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 2 15:24:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53B983BF67; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:24:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <41d45c15897c42186b68d4b079481b3c@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: glissentar Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 09:30:17 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:24:08 +0000 (UTC) Greetings. Just picked up a "Glissentar" and had a couple questions for those on the list who've had these for a while. 1) where to get replacement string sets. 2) recommendations on custom guages you've come up with to suit your situation: ie: tonal requirements, tunings etc. Thanks. - Paul PS: Just had it a couple days now but having a ball - I like the fact that it's far enough removed from "normal" guitar playing to limit wholesale crossover of technique/ compositions but still feels "familiar" - lots of new fresh ideas. - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 2 15:27:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 024B63BF6B; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:27:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050802112727.9grv1qnto9sg0408@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 11:27:27 -0400 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Velcro References: <008901c5976e$e34c1ca0$6501a8c0@khartung> In-Reply-To: <008901c5976e$e34c1ca0$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server16.totalchoicehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:27:31 +0000 (UTC) And the choir sang "AMEN!" The industrial stuff rocks!!! I've also used it to mount micorphones inside my guitar. ~peace~ Michael www.michaelplishka.com Quoting Krispen Hartung : > Hi Luis - > > You need some industry stength Velcro, which is 2 inches in width and > comes in a 15 foot roll. > > http://www.officeworld.com/Worlds-Biggest-Selection/13972/05Q2/ > > I used this for my last pedalpoard, which had things on it like the > Crybaby Wah, Electro-Harmonix Microsynth, Boss Volume pedal....all these > things I stuck on with this grade of velcro. I even used it to stick > half rack effects to a rack tray. If I could afford it, I would stick > it all over my body and my walls pretend like I'm spinderman! :) > > Cheers, > > Kris > http://www.krispenhartung.com > http://www.boisemusicians.com/mp3.htm > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: L. Angulo [mailto:labalou2000@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:19 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Velcro > > > Hi gang, > I just recently put a pedal effect board together with different efxs > and now i am looking for strong double lock velcro that will hold heavy > effects like the dl4.They are all sitting on a NYC pedalboard like > this: http://www.nycpedalboards.com/ > i bought velcro strips here but they are not strong > enough, any recomendations? be sure to tell me what > model is good for this i will probably be ordering > them online. > thanx! > Luis > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 2 16:04:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 867E33BF60; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 16:04:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sOtrhQX0Cq/OcuJ1dN96dKR/cflLhKlsTSc7KAUZV0A8Zu3zLM693QJfw6EHHdfGfMrL5nzfwIQxPUDQcqXw/r5E6z4U8SDPZlt09UJu7KKjjIQbmU1Xfdi9FBR9h1k8uWu59XimgF3x836rpYCTKKimtpmbp8rTMjZfEg2putY= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 09:04:55 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett Reply-To: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Velcro In-Reply-To: <20050802112727.9grv1qnto9sg0408@www.michaelplishka.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <008901c5976e$e34c1ca0$6501a8c0@khartung> <20050802112727.9grv1qnto9sg0408@www.michaelplishka.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6BIUgB.A.1iD.pm57CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 16:04:57 +0000 (UTC) I'd used Archer Superlock on some pedalboards, which looks like velcro made out of plastic and was rated at 75lbs, and I had problems getting the stuff separated without bending the sheet metal undersides of some pedals, or ripping off the top layer of plywood from the pedalboard, so that's something to consider. On 8/2/05, mike@michaelplishka.com wrote: > And the choir sang "AMEN!" >=20 > The industrial stuff rocks!!! >=20 > I've also used it to mount micorphones inside my guitar. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 2 16:51:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFA0E3BF49; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 16:51:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1ef.41169707.3020fea2@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 12:51:46 EDT Subject: Re: glissentar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1ef.41169707.3020fea2_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: YES Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 16:51:57 +0000 (UTC) --part1_1ef.41169707.3020fea2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul, I have no answers for your questions. Sorry. But I've also been checking out Godin's Glissentars for the past few years since they were introduced. I go to their booth at each NAMM show and spend 45 minutes there just fiddling=20 on that instrument alone. I just haven't broken down and bought one yet. Please keep us posted on your adventures with your new toy. I assume you'll=20 be looping with it. Congrats on acquiring it! Looking forward to hearing=20 more. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn In a message dated 8/2/05 8:24:16 AM, pmimlitsch@mac.com writes: > Greetings. Just picked up a "Glissentar" and had a couple questions for > those on the list who've had these for a while. 1) where to get > replacement string sets. 2) recommendations on=A0 custom guages you've > come up with to suit your situation: ie: tonal requirements, tunings > etc. Thanks. - Paul > PS: Just had it a couple days now but having a ball - I like the fact > that it's far enough removed from "normal" guitar playing to limit > wholesale crossover of technique/ compositions but still feels > "familiar" - lots of new fresh ideas. - Paul >=20 "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_1ef.41169707.3020fea2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Paul,

I have no answers for your questions. Sorry. But I've also been checking out=
Godin's Glissentars for the past few years since they were introduced. I go<= BR> to their booth at each NAMM show and spend 45 minutes there just fiddling on that instrument alone. I just haven't broken down and bought one yet.
Please keep us posted on your adventures with your new toy. I assume you'll=20=
be looping with it. Congrats on acquiring it! Looking forward to hearing mor= e.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

In a message dated 8/2/05 8:24:16 AM, pmimlitsch@mac.com writes:

Greetings. Just picke= d up a "Glissentar" and had a couple questions for
those on the list who've had these for a while. 1) where to get
replacement string sets. 2) recommendations on=A0 custom guages you've
come up with to suit your situation: ie: tonal requirements, tunings
etc. Thanks. - Paul
PS: Just had it a couple days now but having a ball - I like the fact
that it's far enough removed from "normal" guitar playing to limit
wholesale crossover of technique/ compositions but still feels
"familiar" - lots of new fresh ideas. - Paul

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_1ef.41169707.3020fea2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 2 17:05:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 046D33BF38; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 17:05:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=EnOFu5SxCf0gIqn/n2BbQXxBIKnT+gKXKCp7Et+IbuZMVnoxo3qIIz2fNzD3XO8MNgLYQv+aBilYU5qfPXEpcWPSW1qB1Gcvey+xgWpu+q5Mbs7/YXteoT/idq5i3OaHGYh9LILjFuZsA4dreoNc6GLzjA2vZLphnfHFsK/4ky8= ; Message-ID: <20050802170459.28637.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:04:59 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Velcro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050802101930.35739.qmail@web52806.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 17:05:01 +0000 (UTC) I found this worked if you used a heavy duty stapler for the strips on the board. I can't remember what "brand" I use but the stuff I buy at the hardware store (it's so common it seems to be the only one I can even find) works great. It does say something about being "industrial strength." The man who invented Velcro never made a dime off the patent. It wasn't until his patent expired that nylon was invented and a suitable material to make velcro existed. I saw that on tv. Mark --- "L. Angulo" wrote: > Hi gang, > I just recently put a pedal effect board together > with > different efxs and now i am looking for strong > double > lock velcro that will hold heavy effects like the > dl4.They are all sitting on a NYC pedalboard like > this: http://www.nycpedalboards.com/ > i bought velcro strips here but they are not strong > enough, any recomendations? be sure to tell me what > model is good for this i will probably be ordering > them online. > thanx! > Luis > > www.luis-angulo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 2 17:30:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A954A3BF3D; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 17:30:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=u+GseF79DDrK1xEsG+mrVAkYkCpCSkPSOVhK0MyppTNUj0C99ZzHRNToohpsH7LrRtyyszhBD7llApIdO+71ywrltNQFj/j6zmA2SzsyK4MGXigUcz0VWI1CGcZc+MqUpyW1RrFcBxHXFH/O4zFbsEzK+YmTVAeY7e6I8oPQcoY= ; Message-ID: <20050802173031.11494.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:30:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Velcro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050802170459.28637.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 17:30:35 +0000 (UTC) wow thats sad that has to be one of the greatest inventions almost like chewing gum! Luis --- mark sottilaro wrote: > I found this worked if you used a heavy duty stapler > for the strips on the board. I can't remember what > "brand" I use but the stuff I buy at the hardware > store (it's so common it seems to be the only one I > can even find) works great. It does say something > about being "industrial strength." > > The man who invented Velcro never made a dime off > the > patent. It wasn't until his patent expired that > nylon > was invented and a suitable material to make velcro > existed. I saw that on tv. > > Mark > > --- "L. Angulo" wrote: > > > Hi gang, > > I just recently put a pedal effect board together > > with > > different efxs and now i am looking for strong > > double > > lock velcro that will hold heavy effects like the > > dl4.They are all sitting on a NYC pedalboard like > > this: http://www.nycpedalboards.com/ > > i bought velcro strips here but they are not > strong > > enough, any recomendations? be sure to tell me > what > > model is good for this i will probably be ordering > > them online. > > thanx! > > Luis > > > > www.luis-angulo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 2 17:30:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 435723BF58; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 17:30:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Velcro Inventor Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:30:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <20050802170459.28637.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcWXhEsELAYJy6oIR5+xv6JuQOkMVQAA3D6Q Message-Id: <20050802173034.GCNK3209.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 17:30:39 +0000 (UTC) http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa091297.htm Might have made some money-- Gary -----Original Message----- From: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:05 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Velcro The man who invented Velcro never made a dime off the patent. It wasn't until his patent expired that nylon was invented and a suitable material to make velcro existed. I saw that on tv. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 2 17:37:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E8913BF49; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 17:37:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopersdelight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gr5kO4f7lMViLLo6OCB8BFqu7/KlOA/ccGvg4bMRSEB1Gpk03M1mUPC6TRJtEfh9MASPx3plkjI7TeBwelsnGoSWtZf/pejSXny4EHf6TlhddT9dzZOjasTYIAnI43CjLqHTjUPMBnlC0Dco29Gyhj87S4YwLAX3f/P6KeYQY8w= ; Message-ID: <20050802173728.77911.qmail@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 10:37:28 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances To: Loopers-Delight@loopersdelight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-64955096-1123004248=:77632" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 17:37:29 +0000 (UTC) --0-64955096-1123004248=:77632 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit daniel stevenson wrote:hi,yea the voice chat is a fuzzy medium for perfomances,yet ive heard a widecontrast in sonic quality and some players sound almost clean while others like gravel,i always run direct=12string/volume pedal/dl4/pc line in level.never the mic input.keep pickups away from the monitor.I cant get a mic to sound acceptable.i run the audio wizard before every session.if anyone wants to jam im stillllscary on the yahoo thinggy.lets jam... scary visionary. Todd Pafford wrote: Rainer, Good point on the bandwidth thing. I hadn't even thought of that. Sounds like the best thing to do would be to set up a relay so the laptop is effectively only serving one client over WiFi. I sent Kris a long email off list describing additional headaches that can be expected if he's got to deal with firewalls and such. Using a relay, though, may simplify issues a little. Todd On 8/1/05, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Kris, > > the problem here ist that somebody needs to have the upstream capacity > to stream your stream bandwidth times the number of listeners, and there > are chances that your wi-fi internet access will not provide that. So in > most cases, the deal is to either connect to a server with a > high-bandwidth connection or at least to use an additional server (with > this kind of connection) as a relay. > > I had tried that with several of my computers at home and in the office > - for generating the stream, I used an input plugin for winamp (called > line_in.dll) that provides your computers' line input as a source in > Winamp and then used the Oddcast DSP plugin to generate an Ogg/Vorbis > stream. This stream was then distributed with a software that was called > ezstream. > > All of these programs came for free, at least for the short time I was > experimenting with them. > > I don't know of any a-la-torrent solutions where the clients also serve > streams themselves. > > Rainer > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com] > Gesendet: Montag, 1. August 2005 07:23 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: RE: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances > > > Yes, that sounds like what I want to do alright...streaming MP3 directly > from my laptop. I am using XP. The trick is that I'd like to do it from > my host and not an external web server. It would be sort of like those > internet services who provide peer-to-peer file sharing, rather than > relying on an intermediate server. I suppose I could setup my laptop as > a webserver, if I knew how to do that. Whatever the case, it needs to > work wherever I go and there is WI-FI access. > > Kris > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd Pafford [mailto:calenlas@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 11:18 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances > > > Kris, > > This sounds like a great idea and I wish you the best of luck. It > certainly seems like it should be do-able. The solution I'm imagining > would involve running your audio into the laptop, doing a continuous > conversion into mp3, then streaming that out. Certainly doesn't sound > too difficult, or too taxing on the hardware. Unfortunately, I don't > know of any applications off the top of my head. > > What OS are you using? I think I could cook something up on my linux > box using available tools and a simple script, but that probably > wouldn't help you if you're on Windows. OSX might have similar > capabilities, but I don't know. > > Todd > > > > On 7/31/05, Hartung, Kris wrote: > > Does anyone know of a cost effective way to share real-time > > performances over the web? I tried the voice feature of my Yahoo Chat > > > room , and it is atrocious. I can hear the music, but it is very > > choppy and at a low bit/frequency rate. You would think that with a > > fast internet and a laptop that there is some effective way to do this > > > without costing a fortune or owning a remote server. What about Real > > Audio? Any free resources to pull this off? > > > > -- ~~calenlas~~ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-64955096-1123004248=:77632 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit


daniel stevenson <stillllscary@yahoo.com> wrote:
hi,yea the voice chat is a fuzzy medium for perfomances,yet ive heard a widecontrast in sonic quality and some players sound almost clean while others like gravel,i always run direct=12string/volume pedal/dl4/pc line in level.never the mic input.keep pickups away from the monitor.I cant get a mic to sound acceptable.i run the audio wizard before every session.if anyone wants to jam im stillllscary on the yahoo thinggy.lets jam...   scary visionary.

Todd Pafford <calenlas@gmail.com> wrote:
Rainer,

Good point on the bandwidth thing. I hadn't even thought of that.
Sounds like the best thing to do would be to set up a relay so the
laptop is effectively only serving one client over WiFi.

I sent Kris a long email off list describing additional headaches that
can be expected if he's got to deal with firewalls and such. Using a
relay, though, may simplify issues a little.


Todd

On 8/1/05, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote:
> Kris,
>
> the problem here ist that somebody needs to have the upstream capacity
> to stream your stream bandwidth times the number of listeners, and there
> are chances that your wi-fi internet access will not provide that. So in
> most cases, the deal is to either connect to a server with a
> high-bandwidth connection or at least to use an additional server (with
> this kind of connection) as a relay.
>
> I had tried that with several of my computers at home and in the office
> - for generating the stream, I used an input plugin for winamp (called
> line_in.dll) that provides your computers' line input as a source in
> Winamp and then used the Oddcast DSP plugin to generate an Ogg/Vorbis
> stream. This stream was then distributed with a software that was called
> ezstream.
>
> All of these programs came for free, at least for the short time I was
> experimenting with them.
>
> I don't know of any a-la-torrent solutions where the clients also serve
> streams themselves.
>
> Rainer
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com]
> Gesendet: Montag, 1. August 2005 07:23
> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Betreff: RE: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances
>
>
> Yes, that sounds like what I want to do alright...streaming MP3 directly
> from my laptop. I am using XP. The trick is that I'd like to do it from
> my host and not an external web server. It would be sort of like those
> internet services who provide peer-to-peer file sharing, rather than
> relying on an intermediate server. I suppose I could setup my laptop as
> a webserver, if I knew how to do that. Whatever the case, it needs to
> work wherever I go and there is WI-FI access.
>
> Kris
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Todd Pafford [mailto:calenlas@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 11:18 PM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances
>
>
> Kris,
>
> This sounds like a great idea and I wish you the best of luck. It
> certainly seems like it should be do-able. The solution I'm imagining
> would involve running your audio into the laptop, doing a continuous
> conversion into mp3, then streaming that out. Certainly doesn't sound
> too difficult, or too taxing on the hardware. Unfortunately, I don't
> know of any applications off the top of my head.
>
> What OS are you using? I think I could cook something up on my linux
> box using available tools and a simple script, but that probably
> wouldn't help you if you're on Windows. OSX might have similar
> capabilities, but I don't know.
>
> Todd
>
>
>
> On 7/31/05, Hartung, Kris wrote:
> > Does anyone know of a cost effective way to share real-time
> > performances over the web? I tried the voice feature of my Yahoo Chat
>
> > room , and it is atrocious. I can hear the music, but it is very
> > choppy and at a low bit/frequency rate. You would think that with a
> > fast internet and a laptop that there is some effective way to do this
>
> > without costing a fortune or owning a remote server. What about Real
> > Audio? Any free resources to pull this off?
>
>
>
>


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Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-64955096-1123004248=:77632-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 2 17:41:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00D103BF5E; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 17:41:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 12:41:18 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: EDP controller chart In-reply-to: <20050802054822.91514.qmail@web50503.mail.yahoo.com> To: onemouthband@yahoo.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42EFB03E.5060207@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20050802054822.91514.qmail@web50503.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 17:41:23 +0000 (UTC) Sam Rogers wrote: > Bernard - > > It seems that we should indeed form a party to chart this > out. Anyone else who's interested, please chime in as well! I don't claim to be an expert, but I've spent an unhealthy amount of time thinking about EDP states, and would be happy to contribute to the cause. I'm not sure if all EDP behavior nuances can be accurately captured in a 2 dimensional table though. We can probably get close but there will certainly be cells with footnotes. To get things started, imagine a table with "modes" on the X axis and "functions" on the Y axis. I think of the EDP as being in one of the following modes: Reset Play Record Threshold (waiting for record threshold) Overdub Multiply Insert Stutter Rehearse Play Rehearse Record Replace Substitute Mute Switch Confirm Switch Quantize Synchronize (waiting for sync pulse) Delay Hold Tempo Select In addition there are what I call "minor modes" that can be combined with the major modes. Overdub Enable Reverse Half Speed Stop Sync Stop Sync is relatively esoteric and since it doesn't affect the semantics of the other modes we don't really need to consider it. Overdub Enable is interesting because it represents a "pending" or "armed" mode. If you were in Overdub before you entered Insert, you leave Overdub during Insert, but return to Overdub when the Insert ends. It is difficult to express this in a 2D table, at the intersection of Insert/Insert you would have to say in effect "return to Play if Overdub Enable is not on, else return to Overdub" or more concisely "Play/Overdub". Since this will happen a lot, you could simplify it by footnoting the table to say that "Play" implies Play or Overdub depending on the setting of the Overdub Enable mode. Reverse and Half Speed are different than Overdub Enable because they are active when combined with the other modes. For example you can be in Play+Reverse, or Multiply+Reverse+Half Speed. If we were to consider these distinct modes, we have a combinatorial explosion, a fancy term for gobs of modes along the X axis. Most of these combo-modes are uninteresting because the behavior will be the same whether the minor modes are on or off. But there are a few cases where this does matter. That's one reason why I'm wondering if a single table is enough. Then there are parameters. InsertMode and InterfaceMode both affect the behavior of some functions. I think we can simplify this by using only DirectMIDI functions except for the very few cases where a MIDI initiated function differs from a front panel function. In other words, we don't need a column for "Insert, InsertMode=Replace", just use "Replace". Parameters like MuteMode and SamplerStyle are more challenging. SamplerStyle=Once especially is almost like another mode, the "waiting to return to previous loop" mode. Quantize is interesting. What happens when you try to "stack" more than one function for future execution. Do they cancel each other? Are they performed on successive quantization boundaries? I honestly don't know. The documentation is clear on the behavior of some quantized SUS functions, but not everything. Oh yes, SUS functions! In most cases the up/down transitions of a SUS function can be treated as if they were separate presses of the non-SUS function. But in a few cases the timing of the up transition is significant (such as with SUSNextLoop) and would need to be a column in the table. Hmm, long presses. My brain hurts. Well, that's all I have time for now. I think this is a really interesting and useful exercise. My fear though is that we're going to end up with a 500 x 500 table with 100 footnotes :-) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 2 17:44:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14BD63BF58; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 17:44:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FtkkXl0jOidS8bG9TWhdvRL0V8psQAafU1rMl1Sh5LAuHJz/fX9GXTw9YCMk9pSKodKtBXfZYKUXBAmj2vF0M1aki5MZ79w0HCtrQmz4tgcj8dFr52XAlJ8talEgqaoOv7t887fZqdY9lxTb6P2RUa9UYSKl1wmXDFhdveqwo3Q= Message-ID: <64b81a78050802104435fa89a1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:44:03 -0400 From: Todd Pafford Reply-To: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances In-Reply-To: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01261249@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01261249@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 17:44:33 +0000 (UTC) Kris, Did you look at http://shoutcast.serverroom.us & http://www.fast-serv.com. Those are two I saw that look affordable...$15/month range with scalable pricing depending on bitrate & number of listeners. I've never used them, so I can't attest to their quality, but the price seems right. A Google search for "shoutcast host" turned up a bunch of hosting companies in this price range. Todd On 8/2/05, Hartung, Kris wrote: > After doing more web research, I am amazed at how much services are charg= ing for streaming bandwidth! This space is like gold! I heard that you c= an turn your own computer into a server, but I don't have the time or the f= unds to work on this. I'm still shocked by how difficult it is to pull thi= s off, given all the other easy to use technology out there. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 2 18:01:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F29163BF62; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 18:01:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <1ef.41169707.3020fea2@aol.com> References: <1ef.41169707.3020fea2@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-817071847 Message-Id: <8a1d8fb0533cdb57f6b885e76e8b72fc@telia.com> From: Brakophonic Subject: Re: glissentar Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:01:16 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 18:01:23 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-817071847 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Try http://www.unfretted.com/forums/index Gunnar Backman Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics E-mail brakophonic@telia.com http://www.brakophonic.com 2005-08-02 kl. 18.51 skrev ArsOcarina@aol.com: > Paul, > > I have no answers for your questions. Sorry. But I've also been=20 > checking out > Godin's Glissentars for the past few years since they were=20 > introduced. I go > to their booth at each NAMM show and spend 45 minutes there just=20 > fiddling > on that instrument alone. > In a message dated 8/2/05 8:24:16 AM, pmimlitsch@mac.com writes: > >> Greetings. Just picked up a "Glissentar" and had a couple questions=20= >> for >> those on the list who've had these for a while. 1) where to get >> replacement string sets. 2) recommendations on=A0 custom guages = you've >> come up with to suit your situation: ie: tonal requirements, tunings >> etc. Thanks. - Paul >> PS: Just had it a couple days now but having a ball - I like the = fact >> that it's far enough removed from "normal" guitar playing to limit >> wholesale crossover of technique/ compositions but still feels >> "familiar" - lots of new fresh ideas. - Paul --Apple-Mail-1-817071847 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Try http://www.unfretted.com/forums/index Gunnar Backman Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics E-mail brakophonic@telia.com http://www.brakophonic.com 2005-08-02 kl. 18.51 skrev ArsOcarina@aol.com: = GenevaPaul, Geneva I have no answers for your questions. Sorry. But I've also been checking out Geneva Godin's Glissentars for the past few years since they were introduced. I go Geneva to their booth at each NAMM show and spend 45 minutes there just fiddling Geneva on that instrument alone. = Geneva In a message dated 8/2/05 8:24:16 AM, pmimlitsch@mac.com writes: = Geneva0000,0000,FFFFGreetings. Just picked up a "Glissentar" and had a couple questions = for = Geneva0000,0000,FFFF those on the list who've had these for a while. 1) where to = get = Geneva0000,0000,FFFF replacement string sets. 2) recommendations on=A0 custom guages = you've = Geneva0000,0000,FFFF come up with to suit your situation: ie: tonal requirements, = tunings = Geneva0000,0000,FFFF etc. Thanks. - Paul = Geneva0000,0000,FFFF PS: Just had it a couple days now but having a ball - I like the = fact = Geneva0000,0000,FFFF that it's far enough removed from "normal" guitar playing to = limit = Geneva0000,0000,FFFF wholesale crossover of technique/ compositions but still = feels = Geneva0000,0000,FFFF "familiar" - lots of new fresh ideas. - = Paul = --Apple-Mail-1-817071847-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 2 18:36:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22E933BF4A; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 18:36:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002e01c59791$09fcc620$0401a8c0@mini> Reply-To: "Claude Voit" From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <20050802173034.GCNK3209.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Subject: Re: Velcro Inventor Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:36:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 18:36:09 +0000 (UTC) Sure he did he lived in the small town of http://www.aubonne.ch/cadre_intro.html were I happen to live also I'm broke though .... but still alive :=) Claude > http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa091297.htm > Might have made some money-- > Gary > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 2 19:29:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D25F3BF11; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:29:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:28:42 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B0126133A@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances Thread-Index: AcWXlxRuiiwrUW9cRzWeLedtBPtQAgAAP1Zg From: "Hartung, Kris" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Aug 2005 19:28:44.0232 (UTC) FILETIME=[656BE480:01C59798] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 19:29:50 +0000 (UTC) Now we're talking. Thanks, Todd. =20 SHOUTcast Server Standard: $11.99/Month * 30 GB traffic * up to 30 listeners * $5.10 per 10GB of additional traffic * 50 MB on-demand space Free Setup =20 Kris ********************* Kris, Did you look at http://shoutcast.serverroom.us & http://www.fast-serv.com. Those are two I saw that look affordable...$15/month range with scalable pricing depending on bitrate & number of listeners. I've never used them, so I can't attest to their quality, but the price seems right. A Google search for "shoutcast host" turned up a bunch of hosting companies in this price range. Todd On 8/2/05, Hartung, Kris wrote: > After doing more web research, I am amazed at how much services are charging for streaming bandwidth! This space is like gold! I heard that you can turn your own computer into a server, but I don't have the time or the funds to work on this. I'm still shocked by how difficult it is to pull this off, given all the other easy to use technology out there. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 2 20:51:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18A843BF52; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:51:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hAV7CaraynH9gGtK3YYn08uIKaZXR/xdA7cezdJnQlE9IodjNQilzChav1Cesf3wqk0boEl+UVk6Up+qsEHiVy6R5PLUuA48p9VKXZRYLvfVWpqoh87X3Vm4uHrdaYi6suymsaw/kTK6A1dPyozsxfPdPxI1WVoE3He0opXn2vE= ; Message-ID: <20050802205130.2863.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 13:51:30 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: Velcro Inventor To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050802173034.GCNK3209.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:51:31 +0000 (UTC) Weird, the documentry I saw said there was a 20 year difference and his patent expired. I guess I can't trust TV anymore. --- Gary Lehmann wrote: > http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa091297.htm > Might have made some money-- > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: mark sottilaro > [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:05 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Velcro > > > > The man who invented Velcro never made a dime off > the > patent. It wasn't until his patent expired that > nylon > was invented and a suitable material to make velcro > existed. I saw that on tv. > > Mark > > > > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 2 21:47:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAFA03BF3D; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 21:47:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jj/ORk4jlvSXtQDg5wUjrlLvaZyjQFy41t5M9Ug07Y9ccgvdDWcXagCxdihWtt0d8g1PhIOUCsRLf18P3SQwuau/zn7S3vvsBynH4bXj0LW2PitFR47Dnc7q1nzgWPlMNfH7Fris1kELObLgRdBN//mBe1yPquwmXh8KpOnDiuo= ; Message-ID: <20050802214720.655.qmail@web30510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 14:47:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Velcro Inventor To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050802205130.2863.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 21:47:22 +0000 (UTC) In the Boston Museum of Science just yesterday I saw a small exhibit depicting a burr stuck to a patch of bear fur sitting next to some velcro*, with electron microscopic photos comparing their respective structures and a short blurb about Claude's neighbor M. de Mestral. Then, on the way home from the museum, I was annoying my girlfriend by making rrrrripping noises with the velcro pocket fasteners on my cargo shorts. I confess, albeit unrepentently... (It was revenge for her making me carry all the keys and tickets, just because I was the one "with all those pockets".) I take another approach with my pedalboards: I cover the entire board with polypropylene automotive carpet (held down with spray adhesive and heavy-duty staples) and attach the *hook* part of the 2" velcro to my pedals. That way I can move them around to any point on the board without having to stay on the little patches. As far as cat hair and other detritus, I occasionally take all the pedals out and vacuum the boards; the carpet doesn't hold debris any more than a regular rug would, and the velcro sticks to it tenaciously. And, yes, the velcro grips better than the adhesive. I can also position velcro-ed stuff on top of my carpeted road cases without having to worry about fragile, expensive gear crashing to the stage. [Sorry, Zoe, I didn't mean to trigger any flashbacks or anything... ;^O ] -t- * Oh, by the way, according to Velcro's US Corporate HQ (which is about 4 miles from me) we are all guilty of misusing the word 'velcro'... Read this: --- mark sottilaro wrote: >>I saw that on tv. Well, then it MUST be true. ;) ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 2 22:29:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1BD83BF3D; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 22:29:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_serpico.real.com-893-1123021782-0001-2" Message-Id: <42EFF3DB.00009D.02152@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 15:29:47 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <20050802205130.2863.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Velcro Inventor X-FID: ED0CFE32-10CD-430509702-0C6A43069D41 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 22:29:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_serpico.real.com-893-1123021782-0001-2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_serpico.real.com-893-1123021782-0001-3" This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_serpico.real.com-893-1123021782-0001-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have heard about this guy....urban lore, A mega rich dude in some small town wondering what to do with the rest of his life. =0D =0D May not be true. =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Date: 08/02/05 13:51:30=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: RE: Velcro Inventor=0D =0D Weird, the documentry I saw said there was a 20 year=0D difference and his patent expired. 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I have heard about this guy....urban lore, A mega rich dude in some = small town wondering what to do with the rest of his life.
 
May not be true.  
 
 
 

-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 08/02/05 13:= 51:30
Subject: RE: Velcr= o Inventor
 
Weird, the documentry I saw said there was a 20 year
difference and his patent expired.  I guess I can't
trust TV anymore.
 
--- Gary Lehmann <hqr@cox.net&= gt; wrote:
 
>
> Might have made some money--
> Gary
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mark sottilaro
> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:05 AM
> Subject: Re: Velcro
>
> <snip>
>
> The man who invented Velcro never made a dime off
> the
> patent.  It wasn't until his patent expired that
> nylon
> was invented and a suitable material to make velcro
> existed.  I saw that on tv.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
 
 
 
 
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arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 136A43BF13; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 22:55:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0CB42A36-0D6B-4123-8E8F-C08E192D9F8B@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: Steve Lawson at the Edinburgh Festival Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 23:55:01 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 22:55:08 +0000 (UTC) hi all, my show 'Bass: The Final Frontier' begins a12 date run at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival this Friday. I'm playing every night at 11.15pm, from the 5th - 16th August, in C Central. here's the page with the details - http://www.edfringe.com/shows/detail.php?action=shows&id=BASS hope to see the scottish loopers there! Please come and say hi. If any of the rest of you want to get one of my 'bass: the final frontier' t-shirts, you can order them via paypal. see http://steve.anthropiccollective.org/archives/001127.html for more details. cheers, Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://www.anthropiccollective.org - blog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 2 23:26:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17DCA3BF50; Tue, 2 Aug 2005 23:26:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004f0e0f1e87$19ad0a80$aded5651@homemain> From: "Dan Mayfield" To: References: <0CB42A36-0D6B-4123-8E8F-C08E192D9F8B@steve-lawson.co.uk> Subject: Edinburgh Fringe Festival Date: Fri, 8 Apr 4811 12:17:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 23:26:41 +0000 (UTC) Hi Will hopefully come and watch you Steve, I'm also at the Fringe starting Friday for 10 days. http://www.edfringe.com/shows/detail.php?action=shows&id=DANMA Cheers Dan www.danmayfield.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 00:16:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86FEA3BF59; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 00:16:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00d401c597c0$ad8ea950$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: the VELCRO king: was Velcro Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 17:17:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 00:16:59 +0000 (UTC) I just had to chime in after reading the Velcro thread: I am referred to by all who fear me or lust after me as 'The VELCRO KING". Next to my bed I have an impressive wall of things velcroed to it............. the WALL O' VELCRO I've made percussion instruments with velcro, pedal boards, customized clothing with it and generally, just love looking at it and feeling it. I even have a small portrait of Stanley Mason, the inventor of Velcro.......................you got it...............velcroed to my wall o' Velcro. It's pathetic that my self esteem can actually rise by claiming to the Velcro King, but what are you gonna do? LMAO, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 00:24:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E298F3BF5E; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 00:24:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00f901c597c1$cafabf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT: Velcro inventor................arrrrrrgggggggghhhh!!!!!! Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 17:25:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 00:24:57 +0000 (UTC) I"m so bereft: I read an article years ago in a Sunday supplement that said that Stanley Mason was the inventor of Velcro. I even clipped his picture and framed it on my 'Wall of Velcro'. Reading the post by Claude Voit, I now discover that the reporter was inaccurate. Do to this terrible, terrible discovery I realize I may not be able to claim to be the "King of Velcro". Oh my god. Is life worth living any longer? How could this have come to be? Rick ps oh, and by the way: fuck the Velcro company for claiming that we cannot use the word Velcro to describe our blessed pedal board fasteners!!!!! oh, yeah, and for artificially keeping the price of Velcro so high. There I said it and feel a little better. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 00:38:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AE103BF6A; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 00:38:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=T67B4nZiZXJVR6UrkqlH0fQUWkqScxebHgVCsg7a6wLu7CY2ZrzlRHKHQlvv9ZWJ+GZXGVsKpLiZvsO/zpbXVh3rY+nmbGtbO0f/lZm+9uCgl0iZA3IlnC/ipwUp95X83Ax0mNHpjb3dL6apWh/BhXKm3E0kOWhBY4Xl3omLRHk= ; Message-ID: <20050803003857.86194.qmail@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 17:38:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT: Velcro inventor................arrrrrrgggggggghhhh!!!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00f901c597c1$cafabf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <4-i15D.A.w3C.iIB8CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 00:38:59 +0000 (UTC) And it gets even worse from there, Rick; Stanley Mason's big claim to fame was as the inventor of the form-fitting, taped-closure disposable diaper. You know, the kind that give ecologically-conscious Californians such as yerself conniptions. :P He also made great advances in disposable ketchup bottles, disposable pizza boxes, disposable dental floss dispensers and stuff like that. (land.fill) Perhaps another sort of shrine is in order. -t- --- "loop.pool" wrote: > Do to this terrible, terrible discovery I realize I > may not be able to > claim to be the > "King of Velcro". > > Oh my god. Is life worth living any longer? ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 01:07:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9CE73BF59; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 01:07:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000d01c597c7$ab98a180$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT: Velcro inventor................arrrrrrgggggggghhhh!!!!!! Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 18:07:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <3HYaVC.A.iyD.2iB8CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 01:07:02 +0000 (UTC) Okay, so I found a picture of George de Mestral, printed it up and prepared to replace my long treasured picture of inventor Stanley Mason, shamed beyond comprehension when this little piece of newspaper fell out of the frame. >From an ancient Parade Magazine (Sunday Chronicle): I quote: "Stanley Mason is the man who invented Velcro....Nestle's Granola Bar.....the first underwire bra.... ..the hourglass-shaped disposable diaper....microwave cookware......and about 50 other inventions, including one the whole world was waiting for: the squeezable ketchup bottle" It's in print it must be true, eh? No, of course not. I googled around and discovered that George de Mestral did, indeed, invent Velcro and that Stanley Mason did most certainly not. If you can't trust Parade Magazine in the Sunday paper, who on god's earth can you trust? My faith in all humanity has been shaken for a good 45 minutes. Then, live went on........................ Now back to looping. r. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 04:44:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 519183BF4C; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 04:44:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Simulate a sitar with guitar effects? Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 22:44:05 -0600 Message-ID: <00a801c597e5$faa4b390$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A9_01C597B3.B00A4390" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 115, in=395, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <4MeDN.A.QR.ZuE8CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 04:44:09 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A9_01C597B3.B00A4390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know, I have and play the sitar and shouldn't be asking this question, but does anyone know what mixture of effects might simulate the sound of a sitar? I was thinking of mixing some auto-wah with flange and a touch of high octave. Any other suggestions? I was hoping to create the mix on my Boss VF-1. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_00A9_01C597B3.B00A4390 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Simulate a sitar with guitar effects?

I know, I have and play the sitar and = shouldn't be asking this question, but does anyone know what mixture of = effects might simulate the sound of a sitar? I was thinking of mixing = some auto-wah with flange and a touch of high octave. Any other = suggestions?  I was hoping to create the mix on my Boss = VF-1.


Kris

------=_NextPart_000_00A9_01C597B3.B00A4390-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 04:50:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF67E3BF54; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 04:50:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 00:54:52 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Simulate a sitar with guitar effects? To: , Message-id: <002701c597e7$7c94e720$d2c7a344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C597C5.F4FD0020" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00a801c597e5$faa4b390$6501a8c0@khartung> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 04:50:24 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C597C5.F4FD0020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Simulate a sitar with guitar effects?Danelectro Sitar Swami=20 I was never convinced... http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Danelectro/Sitar_Swami-01.htm= l ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 12:44 AM Subject: Simulate a sitar with guitar effects? I know, I have and play the sitar and shouldn't be asking this = question, but does anyone know what mixture of effects might simulate = the sound of a sitar? I was thinking of mixing some auto-wah with flange = and a touch of high octave. Any other suggestions? I was hoping to = create the mix on my Boss VF-1. Kris=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C597C5.F4FD0020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Simulate a sitar with guitar effects?
Danelectro Sitar Swami
I was never convinced...
 
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I know, I have and play the sitar and = shouldn't=20 be asking this question, but does anyone know what mixture of effects = might=20 simulate the sound of a sitar? I was thinking of mixing some auto-wah = with=20 flange and a touch of high octave. Any other suggestions?  I was = hoping=20 to create the mix on my Boss VF-1.


Kris =

------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C597C5.F4FD0020-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 05:12:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AF303BF60; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 05:12:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Simulate a sitar with guitar effects? Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 23:12:28 -0600 Message-ID: <00b301c597e9$f20b2d00$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C597B7.A770BD00" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <002701c597e7$7c94e720$d2c7a344@hppav> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 115, in=371, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <570-cC.A.-z._IF8CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 05:12:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C597B7.A770BD00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah, I heard about this unit, but that it wasn't that great at emulating the instrument. In any event, I just created a VF-1 patch that isn't too bad...I combined auto-wah (that is active in the high end range), EQ (notching all the low end and low mid range out), and flange (with the rate very low and depth high). That is decent at mimicking the main playing string of the guitar, but getting the sympathetic strings is a different story. I might look for a VST effect where I can loop a drone in a particular key, and have it sound like the sympathetic strings...then I can play with my VF-1 patch over that. Kris -----Original Message----- From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:55 PM To: info@krispenhartung.com; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Simulate a sitar with guitar effects? Danelectro Sitar Swami I was never convinced... http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Danelectro/Sitar_Swami-01.ht ml ----- Original Message ----- From: Krispen Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 12:44 AM Subject: Simulate a sitar with guitar effects? I know, I have and play the sitar and shouldn't be asking this question, but does anyone know what mixture of effects might simulate the sound of a sitar? I was thinking of mixing some auto-wah with flange and a touch of high octave. Any other suggestions? I was hoping to create the mix on my Boss VF-1. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C597B7.A770BD00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Yeah, I heard about this unit, but that it wasn't that great at = emulating=20 the instrument.  In any event, I just created a VF-1 patch that = isn't too=20 bad...I combined auto-wah (that is active in the high end range), EQ = (notching=20 all the low end and low mid range out), and flange (with the rate very = low and=20 depth high).  That is decent at mimicking the main playing string = of the=20 guitar, but getting the sympathetic strings is a different story. I = might look=20 for a VST effect where I can loop a drone in a particular key, and have = it sound=20 like the sympathetic strings...then I can play with my VF-1 patch over=20 that. 
 
Kris
 
-----Original Message-----
From: = David=20 Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net]
Sent: Tuesday, = August 02,=20 2005 10:55 PM
To: info@krispenhartung.com;=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Simulate a = sitar=20 with guitar effects?

Danelectro Sitar Swami
I was never convinced...
 
http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Danelectro/Sitar_S= wami-01.html
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Krispen Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, = 2005 12:44=20 AM
Subject: Simulate a sitar = with guitar=20 effects?

I know, I have and play the sitar = and shouldn't=20 be asking this question, but does anyone know what mixture of = effects might=20 simulate the sound of a sitar? I was thinking of mixing some = auto-wah with=20 flange and a touch of high octave. Any other suggestions?  I = was hoping=20 to create the mix on my Boss VF-1.


Kris=20

------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C597B7.A770BD00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 05:38:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E5033BF5E; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 05:38:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Di/bTpRTCp48e3nvPdQS9Q3wn1E5f+oEYoaknwnmWU3dheOhIW4qJMphalkz4UnhI5AGLoiQnLU+otIgSmBwggZV6+M/m4sX1JY2gCCxlCxQ+QkPh3b7+uJio3wGp9CmNLdy/liq9hBhBD0+di+t0QlFmshThp3jmauiQvDbBps= Message-ID: <106611350508022238123f16c6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 01:38:51 -0400 From: adam malliet To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: copy loop or perhaps next loop or some combo of the two ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 05:38:52 +0000 (UTC) Here is what i want to do... I want to create a loop, we'll call it LoopA Then used LoopCopy=3Dtiming to set my next 2 loops to be the same time. Then use NextLoop to switch to LoopB, build the loop up a bit. Ok, so far i think this is all possible, here is what i am not sure i can do, looking for help... I want to then copy LoopA and LoopB to the 3rd space making it Loop C. These of course wil be layered, and should already be synced. So have a I stumped the Echoplex ? Adam Malliet From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 06:25:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2E1D3BF3C; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 06:25:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=G7HCodK1oKWUpfuXUy9N9vq6kuMFHNvaAGgKccmV7bDCWm7GeQZBSIOEmaki9Gin+Makdf7FSnruq+OBYAJyWZxKGckVXDfzAVOSHPyM1E10NE1vvb11LHnRX5jJOqjwnKks4EnRXgx1ea2i4cDOPSJbPVKpHHpzr/kNxR4je1g= ; Message-ID: <20050803062540.85731.qmail@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 23:25:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: The Ultimate Sitar Guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-179631223-1123050340=:85182" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 06:25:42 +0000 (UTC) --0-179631223-1123050340=:85182 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit http://www.guitarmaniacs.de/html/users/teflon/teflon-gitarre-eyb.shtml (Scroll down to center of page.) Monica Asgard Guitars "guitar technology for the new emerging edge..." coolintensity@yahoo.com coolintensity1@aol.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-179631223-1123050340=:85182 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
 
 
 
 
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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-179631223-1123050340=:85182-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 06:40:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 087F73BF47; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 06:40:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Luigi Meloni" To: Subject: RE: Simulate a sitar with guitar effects? Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:40:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006F_01C59806.FC19EB70" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.5207 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcWX6fTKrgjkdcJpTluItDMN9uaCpAACcy0w In-Reply-To: <00b301c597e9$f20b2d00$6501a8c0@khartung> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at libero.it serv3 Message-Id: <20050803064023.392963BF11@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 06:40:24 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C59806.FC19EB70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Krispen, Have you received the cds I sent you? I really loved your cds and dvd (remember, you sent them to me for a translation from italian to = english...) Just to get back to your question... have you tried to put the harmonizer/pitch shift effect very low in volume right after the = flanger? I usually use this kind of preset with the piezo on my electric guitar = to obtain a sitar-like sound, and then I play a bit with the slide and the sustainer and the vibrato bar... Since I don=92t have a sitar, I don=92t know if I actually obtain the = best approximation, but on the recordings it seems a bit like it... =20 Luigi =20 =20 _____ =20 From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com]=20 Sent: mercoled=EC 3 agosto 2005 7.12 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Simulate a sitar with guitar effects? =20 Yeah, I heard about this unit, but that it wasn't that great at = emulating the instrument. In any event, I just created a VF-1 patch that isn't = too bad...I combined auto-wah (that is active in the high end range), EQ (notching all the low end and low mid range out), and flange (with the = rate very low and depth high). That is decent at mimicking the main playing string of the guitar, but getting the sympathetic strings is a different story. I might look for a VST effect where I can loop a drone in a particular key, and have it sound like the sympathetic strings...then I = can play with my VF-1 patch over that. =20 =20 Kris =20 -----Original Message----- From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net]=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:55 PM To: info@krispenhartung.com; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Simulate a sitar with guitar effects? Danelectro Sitar Swami=20 I was never convinced... =20 http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Danelectro/Sitar_Swami-01.htm= l =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 12:44 AM Subject: Simulate a sitar with guitar effects? =20 I know, I have and play the sitar and shouldn't be asking this question, = but does anyone know what mixture of effects might simulate the sound of a sitar? I was thinking of mixing some auto-wah with flange and a touch of high octave. Any other suggestions? I was hoping to create the mix on = my Boss VF-1. =20 Kris=20 ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C59806.FC19EB70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

Hi = Krispen,

Have you received the cds I sent = you? I really loved your cds and dvd (remember, you sent them to me for a = translation from italian to english...)

Just to get back to your = question... have you tried to put the harmonizer/pitch shift effect very low in volume = right after the flanger?

I usually use this kind of preset = with the piezo on my electric guitar to obtain a sitar-like sound, and then I = play a bit with the slide and the sustainer and the vibrato = bar...

Since I don’t have a sitar, I = don’t know if I actually obtain the best approximation, but on the recordings = it seems a bit like it...

 

Luigi

 

 

From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com]
Sent: mercoled=EC 3 = agosto 2005 7.12
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Simulate a = sitar with guitar effects?

 

Yeah, I heard about this unit, = but that it wasn't that great at emulating the instrument.  In any event, I = just created a VF-1 patch that isn't too bad...I combined auto-wah (that is = active in the high end range), EQ (notching all the low end and low mid range = out), and flange (with the rate very low and depth high).  That is decent = at mimicking the main playing string of the guitar, but getting the = sympathetic strings is a different story. I might look for a VST effect where I can = loop a drone in a particular key, and have it sound like the sympathetic strings...then I can play with my VF-1 patch over that.  =

 

Kris

 

-----Original Message-----
From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, = 2005 10:55 PM
To: = info@krispenhartung.com; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Simulate a = sitar with guitar effects?

Danelectro Sitar Swami

I was never convinced...

 

 

 

----- Original Message ----- =

Sent: = Wednesday, August 03, 2005 12:44 AM

Subject: = Simulate a sitar with guitar effects?

 

I know, I have and play the sitar and shouldn't be asking this question, = but does anyone know what mixture of effects might simulate the sound of a sitar? = I was thinking of mixing some auto-wah with flange and a touch of high octave. = Any other suggestions?  I was hoping to create the mix on my Boss = VF-1.

 

Kris

------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C59806.FC19EB70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 06:59:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF9D43BF2C; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 06:59:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4oM0dzVoy6KZgTMSB9dwKC+LgEzOeTAu/2A+cvA70CMcFA6GOuX/YKjGJsU/V9Yy2+EKVSIMQhwtpYQq4w3Ae8hLNvcKca8Y7dRhOzj277dFtXGbnXEBVEk/05x4X7/4jZvW700B/fx+gWNHypWxEIrzmfB4lyH4TK4wI5b7iqs= ; Message-ID: <20050803065914.16539.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 23:59:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT: Velcro inventor................arrrrrrgggggggghhhh!!!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050803003857.86194.qmail@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_4ja7D.A.4mD.FtG8CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 06:59:17 +0000 (UTC) i was also stoked to read that color T.V. although U.S. patent was actually invented by a mexican...and i thought we just invented chicles and tacos;-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_television but check out the history of the condom the 1700 model was funky http://www.nzgirl.co.nz/articles/2810 Luis --- Tim Nelson wrote: > And it gets even worse from there, Rick; Stanley > Mason's big claim to fame was as the inventor of the > form-fitting, taped-closure disposable diaper. You > know, the kind that give ecologically-conscious > Californians such as yerself conniptions. :P > > He also made great advances in disposable ketchup > bottles, disposable pizza boxes, disposable dental > floss dispensers and stuff like that. (land.fill) > > Perhaps another sort of shrine is in order. > > -t- > > --- "loop.pool" wrote: > > Do to this terrible, terrible discovery I realize > I > > may not be able to > > claim to be the > > "King of Velcro". > > > > Oh my god. Is life worth living any > longer? > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > www.luis-angulo.com ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 07:10:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93DE73BF23; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 07:10:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" , "CT-Collective" Subject: Matt Davignon: Bwoo Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 09:09:51 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Wed, 03 Aug 2005 09:03:40 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.84.206 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 07:10:44 +0000 (UTC) Our own Matt Davignon's latest CD 'Bwoo' has been reviewed in the August issue of WIRE magazine (see below). Congratulations Matt !!! Michael Peters www.michaelpeters.de --------------------------- MATT DAVIGNON BWOO EDGETONE CD Reviewed by Chris Sharp Over the last ten years or so, Matt Davignon has been developing an improvisational and refreshingly untutored approach to electronic music making. His surreptitiously evolving pieces float forth free from sampler grids and timecodes, twisting and turning through untrammelled space. It's tempting to describe his latest offering as an extended drum solo - tempting, but too flip to do this music justice. As often happens in art - from the Petrarch sonnet to the Lomo camera - creativity can often flower brilliantly through and around self-imposed restrictions. In this instance,the restriction is more daunting than most. Bwoo was composed and performed using just one instrument - a drum machine. Amazingly, this spartan approach yields expansive, multi-hued results - this is no kick/snare/hi-hat desert. Davignon coaxes a shifting, kaleidoscopic ecosystem from his chosen black box - from the slowly flourishing drones of "Pad" to the insectoid susurrations of "Flam Ratio", to the quivering, delicate feedback and staccato woodblocks of "96 Clocks". The title track is a coy succession of hesitant drones, while the closing "Init All" is stately, almost ceremonious; plucked, mournful chords summoned from some alien cloister to disintegrate gradually in our unfamiliar gravitational system. http://www.edgetonerecords.com/davignon.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 07:12:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77AB43BF54; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 07:12:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oEidKyRJb2QZcgnBcrqTpPd3N3J3sKyw1w+ZI2yvLeQKgta4rE16RZe40OiDH4o/nbOblG1XWOWfXXRgNU5soUuk6HGCU7WEliW9q73B7bKRdIqpMUt0rz/LeuWq8+HGMUIrpnouq438ql2rwi2qoGYgoFwGddm4pcdlIMOxhys= Message-ID: <64b81a78050803001219a7fa14@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 03:12:54 -0400 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Ultimate Sitar Guitar In-Reply-To: <20050803062540.85731.qmail@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050803062540.85731.qmail@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 07:12:55 +0000 (UTC) Even better, this one comes with sympathetic strings: http://www.oddmusic.com/gallery/om13400.html Anyone want to build me one of these? ;) Todd On 8/3/05, Monica wrote: > =20 > =20 > =20 > http://www.guitarmaniacs.de/html/users/teflon/teflon-gitarre-eyb.shtml > =20 > (Scroll down to center of page.) Monica >=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > Asgard Guitars=20 > "guitar technology for the new emerging edge..."=20 > coolintensity@yahoo.com=20 > coolintensity1@aol.com=20 > =20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com=20 --=20 ~~calenlas~~ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 07:13:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAA2C3BF5F; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 07:13:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: Subject: RE: Simulate a sitar with guitar effects? Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 09:13:19 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01C5980B.96E9E3E0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-reply-to: <002701c597e7$7c94e720$d2c7a344@hppav> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Wed, 03 Aug 2005 09:07:05 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.84.206 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 07:13:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C5980B.96E9E3E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Simulate a sitar with guitar effects?> Danelectro Sitar Swami this thing sucks, IMHO. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C5980B.96E9E3E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Simulate a sitar with guitar effects?
>=20 Danelectro Sitar Swami  
 
 
this = thing sucks,=20 IMHO.
 
 
-Michael
www.michaelpeters.de
 
------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C5980B.96E9E3E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 07:19:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 691673BF66; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 07:19:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Z8g2D6ZWNNn7kJrDssLJUwP4szXu17zQOYQi6nMCQhiQjdTbpVAKqPBb1Z3q5MJAYjthKRh1Rb5kupZbUyFmMMSaSLVhO4Z+KlDJ0Kxl2pnXT672+JWsllJnJT8zQnDkOhyF9jVLUAUL4u5YLJK339oCodUkiFVpAnHWIq/vSlA= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 00:19:04 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: copy loop or perhaps next loop or some combo of the two ? In-Reply-To: <106611350508022238123f16c6@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <106611350508022238123f16c6@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 07:19:06 +0000 (UTC) So, you want to record loop A, and then make a loop B that's the same length, record some more stuff into that, then have the EDP combine the two loops into loop C? If so, then yes, the EDP won't do it. One of the "rules" of the EDP is that "everything happens in real time" and one of the others is "only one loop can be played at a time".=20 Since you can't play two loops at the same time on the EDP, you can't record them into a third loop. Depending on the actual audio content of loop A and B, it is possible to do something like record A, copy that to B, overdub a bit, and copy that to loop C, but you're trying to have A and B be unrelated except for loop length, then you won't be able to mix them into C. TravisH On 8/2/05, adam malliet wrote: > Here is what i want to do... >=20 > I want to create a loop, we'll call it LoopA >=20 > Then used LoopCopy=3Dtiming to set my next 2 loops to be the same time. >=20 > Then use NextLoop to switch to LoopB, build the loop up a bit. >=20 > Ok, so far i think this is all possible, here is what i am not sure i > can do, looking for help... >=20 > I want to then copy LoopA and LoopB to the 3rd space making it Loop C. > These of course wil be layered, and should already be synced. >=20 > So have a I stumped the Echoplex ? >=20 >=20 > Adam Malliet >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 08:36:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44D693BF07; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:36:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 09:36:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Simulate a sitar with guitar effects? Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <42F09004.7408.232F62@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <002701c597e7$7c94e720$d2c7a344@hppav> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21b) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 08:36:13 +0000 (UTC) > Simulate a sitar with guitar effects? I used to own a Zoom 9050 which had an effect quite close in sound. All the best, Nick Robinson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 09:07:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABFC93BF23; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 09:07:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=pHnXDRGEpwCNLP2kbmU10oAuqG+rR64uJdmHLfKSiQnGXy8g5o4kQ4I5bf8NL/cCcLJfVh5K5jZZdwY4tP0AY+K+sPU8eactVgWHsBk997p4DcXX92/BvdfuPLbPqEc1A5z+vzj/ZGRuur02CfP/YKukXromKGa15vXjWizTx04= ; Message-ID: <20050803090737.56788.qmail@web30509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 02:07:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: The Ultimate Sitar Guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050803062540.85731.qmail@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <8z-YYB.A.mxH.blI8CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 09:07:39 +0000 (UTC) Heh, that thing looks like a Stick and one of Bootsy Collins' basses were left unchaperoned for a drunken evening. :) -t- --- Monica wrote: http://www.guitarmaniacs.de/html/users/teflon/teflon-gitarre-eyb.shtml __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 09:49:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A67523BF22; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 09:49:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <59AAC699-E9C7-4A27-BB65-C4174D0A9174@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: Re: Edinburgh Fringe Festival Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:49:31 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 09:49:36 +0000 (UTC) >> Will hopefully come and watch you Steve, I'm also at the Fringe starting Friday for 10 days. http://www.edfringe.com/shows/detail.php?action=shows&id=DANMA <<< Dan, that's great! Drop me an email and we'll sort out a time to meet up. I look forward to seeing your show. Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://www.anthropiccollective.org - blog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 10:12:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F86B3BF3A; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:12:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00685e071ac6$12c77970$81545651@homemain> From: "Dan Mayfield" To: References: <59AAC699-E9C7-4A27-BB65-C4174D0A9174@steve-lawson.co.uk> Subject: Re: Edinburgh Fringe Festival Date: Wed, 7 Jun 23071 22:24:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:12:32 +0000 (UTC) Hi I'm afraid I wont have access to my emails while I'm away, however my mobile number is 07792137681 if you want to text me your number we can arrange to meet sometime. I'm about to leave soon so might not get to read any more e-mails. Look forward to seeing your show also, good luck Dan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 12:31:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5173A3BF24; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:31:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050803131317.02d87590@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 13:26:30 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V05 #488 In-Reply-To: <20050803071044.EB1FB3BF56@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050803071044.EB1FB3BF56@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:31:34 +0000 (UTC) At 08:10 03/08/05, you wrote: >..I combined auto-wah (that is active in the high end range), if that has a hi-pass setting, try that > EQ (notching all the low end and low mid range out), and flange > (with the rate very low and depth high). if you can, turn the rate to zero, and tune the flanger to your root note to create a resonator > That is decent at mimicking the main playing string of the guitar, > but getting the sympathetic strings is a different story. I might > look for a VST effect where I can loop a drone in a particular key, > and have it sound like the sympathetic strings.. if you had a set of resonators, one for each note in the rag, you'd have a set of sympathetic strings. I've only tried with one resonator, but got some nice 'sympathy' on notes that were harmonically related to the resonator frequency. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 14:09:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 728403BF2C; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:09:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=IJRQX6XnMqvhLRS421nsoNkqqJEBkAcU92cq8ST0eLjcFlLg3oPurmguES5SuPJzR2tA4bl4LIaApA1HMAURU/h1PI8X2hlGM1AZWsa99BbZd8IYLrHgaKHH1wD60QrRSDIMQ4r715Q3AhJMcF3GD69ZWRPMSLpLzDbWMekZjlE= Message-ID: <106611350508030709c78a948@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:09:35 -0400 From: adam malliet To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: copy loop or perhaps next loop or some combo of the two ? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <106611350508022238123f16c6@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:09:37 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, now i can rest easy knowing it can't be done (at least with one EDP) I have figured out a way to do it with a second looper, just a little more difficult. Record LoopA onto Line6 Copy LoopA to EDP LoopCopy=3Dtiming to the next 2 loops on the EDP Record loopB to the EDP LoopCopy=3DSound to the 3rd loop on the EDP Record loopC while playing LoopA through the EDP from my line6 Whew, why do i do this to myself ? Oh right its art, its supposed to drive me mad. Adam On 8/3/05, Travis Hartnett wrote: > So, you want to record loop A, and then make a loop B that's the same > length, record some more stuff into that, then have the EDP combine > the two loops into loop C? If so, then yes, the EDP won't do it. One > of the "rules" of the EDP is that "everything happens in real time" > and one of the others is "only one loop can be played at a time". > Since you can't play two loops at the same time on the EDP, you can't > record them into a third loop. >=20 > Depending on the actual audio content of loop A and B, it is possible > to do something like record A, copy that to B, overdub a bit, and copy > that to loop C, but you're trying to have A and B be unrelated except > for loop length, then you won't be able to mix them into C. >=20 > TravisH >=20 > On 8/2/05, adam malliet wrote: > > Here is what i want to do... > > > > I want to create a loop, we'll call it LoopA > > > > Then used LoopCopy=3Dtiming to set my next 2 loops to be the same time. > > > > Then use NextLoop to switch to LoopB, build the loop up a bit. > > > > Ok, so far i think this is all possible, here is what i am not sure i > > can do, looking for help... > > > > I want to then copy LoopA and LoopB to the 3rd space making it Loop C. > > These of course wil be layered, and should already be synced. > > > > So have a I stumped the Echoplex ? > > > > > > Adam Malliet > > > > >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 15:03:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20F273BF33; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:03:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Old-Message-ID: <42F0DC71.4020003@boomerangmusic.com> Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 10:02:09 -0500 From: Mike Nelson User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boomerang Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20050803080356-3396166911@[71.96.234.197]> Old-X-Envelope-From: X-Auth-Username: X-Abuse: FOR ABUSE COMPLAINTS PLEASE FORWARD THIS MESSAGE ALONG WITH ALL HEADERS TO ABUSE@IHOST.BIZ. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:03:56 +0000 (UTC) Hi loopers, I thought I'd post this offer once more before signing off. Please contact me at the email below if interested. Loop on, on, on... --*-- SPECIAL OFFER --*-- We have about 200 V2 Modules with a software bug and will be building a special batch of Rangs with them. The resulting flawed Rangs will be sold for $279, and we pay for shipping in the continental United States! They will be sold directly to players and not through stores. You may also buy a Rang gig bag for only $19 when purchasing one of there units. Other than this one bug, these are fully functional, warrantied, brand new Boomerang(R) Plus Phrase Samplers, but they will be prominently marked as flawed. Here's the bug. If you start recording and allow the Rang to record until the memory is full, all the green LED's come on brightly. So far this is normal behavior. If you immediately press PLAY, the Rang will play normally with no problem. However if you allow the Rang to sit for a while with the green LED's lit up and then press PLAY, loud disorted sounds may play back. The amount of time for the Rang to sit with the green LED's lit and the recording to degrade to noise is different for each unit. If you find your Rang in this state, simply press RECORD then PLAY(STOP) to erase the noisy recording. If the Rang doesn't completely fill memory AND then sit for a while, there are no problems. A normally recorded loop will not degrade. Please let me know if you are interested in purchasing one of these flawed Rangs. --*-- SADLY NECESSARY LEGAL SCHTICK --*-- By purchasing one of these flawed units you agree to assume all liability for any problems or damage caused by use of your Rang, whether by you or someone else. In no circumstances is Boomerang Musical Products, Ltd. liable for any damage to you or others, or your or other's equipment, by use of a Rang with this known software flaw. -- "Some products make you sound better; the Boomerang Plus Phrase Sampler makes you play better." -- Mike Nelson Shipping address for repairs & upgrades: 3704 Oakwood Grapevine, TX 76051 Boomerang Musical Products PO Box 541595 Dallas, TX 75354-1595 800-530-4699 * 817-251-8737, Outside USA * 817-251-8509, Fax http://www.boomerangmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 15:20:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80E9F3BF29; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:20:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: The Ultimate Sitar Guitar Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 09:20:24 -0600 Message-ID: <00ca01c5983e$df3e3f00$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CB_01C5980C.94A3CF00" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20050803062540.85731.qmail@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 116, in=380, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:20:28 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CB_01C5980C.94A3CF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That is a most bizarre looking guitar...I think I'd rather play my actual sitar than buy that crazy looking thing. :) -----Original Message----- From: Monica [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 12:26 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: The Ultimate Sitar Guitar http://www.guitarmaniacs.de/html/users/teflon/teflon-gitarre-eyb.shtml (Scroll down to center of page.) 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------=_NextPart_000_00CB_01C5980C.94A3CF00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 16:02:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D48C3BEF5; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:02:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <1e3.412bdb9c.302244ab@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:02:51 EDT Subject: Re: The Ultimate Sitar Guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1e3.412bdb9c.302244ab_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: YES Resent-Message-ID: <9n69P.A.beF.wqO8CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:02:56 +0000 (UTC) --part1_1e3.412bdb9c.302244ab_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kris, I don't use it very often but the Boss WP-20G ($189.97 @ Sweetwater:=20 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/WP20G/) has a fair-to-middling faux sitar patch. The catch is that you have to have a Roland GK hex pickup on your guitar. BTW, some of the Roland guitar synths have sitar=20 patches as well -- as long as were mentioning hex pickups. The best fake sitar I've ever been able to achieve has been blending the sitar patch on a GR-1 with a similar Indian instrument sample (maybe sarod, veena or the drone instrument I can't remember) from an EMU Proteus III World. The=20 ensemble of sounds seems (correctly or incorrectly) to match much better=20 what folks "expect" to hear. It sounds more Beatlesque than authentically Indian though, and a little too polished. I'm definitely NOT well-schooled o= n any form of World music (Indian or any other). So I usually eschew using sounds I don't know at least something about the way their "supposed" to=20 be played -- or have a really good feel for. That's also why I very seldom=20 play a real "blues" tune. I have no "feel" for it. It always sounds wooden=20 and inauthentic to me -- coming from my own fingers and instrument.=20 Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_1e3.412bdb9c.302244ab_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kris,

I don't use it very often but the Boss WP-20G ($189.97 @ Sweetwater: http://= www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/WP20G/) has a fair-to-middling
faux sitar patch. The catch is that you have to have a Roland GK hex
pickup on your guitar. BTW, some of the Roland guitar synths have sitar
patches as well -- as long as were mentioning hex pickups. The best fake
sitar I've ever been able to achieve has been blending the sitar patch on a GR-1 with a similar Indian instrument sample (maybe sarod, veena or the drone instrument I can't remember) from an EMU Proteus III World. The
ensemble of sounds seems (correctly or incorrectly) to match much better what folks "expect" to hear. It sounds more Beatlesque than authentically Indian though, and a little too polished. I'm definitely NOT well-schooled o= n
any form of World music (Indian or any other). So I usually eschew using
sounds I don't know at least something about the way their "supposed" to be played -- or have a really good feel for. That's also why I very seldom <= BR> play a real "blues" tune. I have no "feel" for it. It always sounds wooden <= BR> and inauthentic to me -- coming from my own fingers and instrument.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

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http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_1e3.412bdb9c.302244ab_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 16:02:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57F563BF1E; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:02:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001201c59844$ce6c4f90$0401a8c0@mini> Reply-To: "Claude Voit" From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <00ca01c5983e$df3e3f00$6501a8c0@khartung> Subject: Re: The Ultimate Sitar Guitar Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:02:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:02:57 +0000 (UTC) Agreed plus the new age dress, hairdoo and tan that goes with it..... pfeww the typical euro/Ibiza/Chill-out Looper http://www.fonfara.de/asianstars/sites/index2.htm Claude When I grow old I'll be a Guru ë¿ ë == > That is a most bizarre looking guitar...I think I'd rather play my > actual sitar than buy that crazy looking thing. :) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 16:05:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 529323BF3A; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:05:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Sitars Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 16:05:39 +0000 Message-Id: <080320051605.13188.42F0EB53000AD6F50000338421979128029B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 21 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:05:43 +0000 (UTC) I've already posted on here about this, but it's been a couple of years, so I'll post again. I have a couple of pages up about my loop-modified Jerry Jones electric sitar: I did the mod long before I had an RC-20 or an Echoplex. If you have an actual looper like that, the mod is unnecessary. I've played around with loading tabla drum loops into an RC-20 and playing the sitar along with it, that sounded pretty cool. The loops were from some cassettes of tabla loops from the Batish Institute, kind of an Indian Jamey Aebersold tape. The Line 6 Variax has a really nice electric sitar emulation. Unlike on a real electric sitar, the sympathetic strings actually sympathize! There's a knob to control the volume of the symp strings. I think I heard the VG-88 has a sitar imitation, but I don't know if it's any good. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 16:10:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E50E3BF3D; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:10:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Ultimate Sitar Guitar Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 16:10:44 +0000 Message-Id: <080320051610.1249.42F0EC8400096A2D000004E121979247419B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 21 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:10:49 +0000 (UTC) > Agreed > plus the new age dress, hairdoo and tan that goes with it..... > pfeww > the typical euro/Ibiza/Chill-out Looper > > http://www.fonfara.de/asianstars/sites/index2.htm > Claude Yeah, I love the flying saucer! I was just thinking about when I played a Roland GR-33 guitar synth in a store...I think it had a pretty cool sampled sitar with a tabla beat built in. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 16:18:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE98F3BF3B; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:18:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dTeBeRnuzs3gQwGNYOQsFpud1VADQq2xUsFMn1z8ZuBLZEpSy9nmBbxA/1hfoBWMxO1dfCNFU57JbhTrL/c4HFMMrMEZEfglKQMFTLEoCviOHbutW31xWG0DH+8C65U5f3NVfsDrUdiLmyXf4GIxuVd+XoDNaDY1PHrTN4v3KCs= ; Message-ID: <20050803161820.80792.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 09:18:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Sitars To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <080320051605.13188.42F0EB53000AD6F50000338421979128029B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:18:22 +0000 (UTC) Nice Mark,you have a killer setup! the gr33 has also nice sitar and drone samples plus a tabla groove to acompany but then again guitar synths don´t seem to be everyones cup of tea here... I tried the variax but didnt like the sounds and feel of it,but i was only able to try it through a guitar amp Luis > The Line 6 Variax has a really nice electric sitar > emulation. Unlike on > a real electric sitar, the sympathetic strings > actually sympathize! There's > a knob to control the volume of the symp strings. > > I think I heard the VG-88 has a sitar imitation, but > I don't know if it's > any good. > > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net > > www.luis-angulo.com ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 16:22:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 537A03BF52; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:22:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:31:56 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: The Ultimate Sitar Guitar In-Reply-To: <080320051610.1249.42F0EC8400096A2D000004E121979247419B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> Message-ID: References: <080320051610.1249.42F0EC8400096A2D000004E121979247419B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:22:15 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > I was just thinking about when I played a Roland GR-33 guitar synth in a > store...I think it had a pretty cool sampled sitar with a tabla beat > built in. The GR-30 has the sound you describe, Mark, I have one. I don't have a GR-33: I remember there was a lot of overlap on the sounds between the 30 and 33, but there were differences. If they didn't change the sound from the 30 to the 33 you're mentioning, it's pretty good in my ears. I think I'd like it better without the tabla beat, personally. Back to last night's discussion on this topic: I have and use a Danelectro Sitar Swami. It doesn't sound much like a sitar to me and I consider it to be a massive error in advertising, but I do like it at times. I use it sparingly and almost never by itself, though. best, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 16:26:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1ACB3BF3D; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:26:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:26:33 -0600 Message-ID: <00d801c59848$1d226db0$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.772000 Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 116, in=396, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <3sExAC.A.WzG.CBP8CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:26:42 +0000 (UTC) Okay, let's try this again! :) I just recorded a basic and relatively thoughtless loop sequence for testing purposes, and it is running from my EDPs to my mixer board, and to my laptop right now, streaming to the Shoutcast server. If you could give it a test, and let me know if you can hear the loop, whether the quality is alright for you, etc...that would be great. This is streaming at 64kbps. http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (click on "listen") The only thing that I can't seem to do on my system is get the soundcard line input to work, so I had to use the mic level...oddly enough it is still in stereo, but I had to crank my output level down to practically 0 to preven overloading the input (mic is much more sensitive). Cheers, Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 16:27:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 634D53BF54; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:27:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: Subject: RE: Simulating Sitar Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:33:06 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000001c59849$0742a590$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20050803131317.02d87590@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:27:52 +0000 (UTC) > >..I combined auto-wah (that is active in the high end range), > > if that has a hi-pass setting, try that > > > EQ (notching all the low end and low mid range out), and flange > > (with the rate very low and depth high). > > if you can, turn the rate to zero, and tune the flanger to > your root note > to create a resonator > > > That is decent at mimicking the main playing string of the guitar, > > but getting the sympathetic strings is a different story. I might > > look for a VST effect where I can loop a drone in a particular key, > > and have it sound like the sympathetic strings.. > > if you had a set of resonators, one for each note in the rag, you'd > have a set of sympathetic strings. > I've only tried with one resonator, but got some nice 'sympathy' > on notes that were harmonically related to the resonator frequency. > > andy butler I seem to recall the Alesis Quadraverb-GT having programmable resonators. Maybe Kris could check the back of his closet. This also sounds like something that could be built in Reactor and then used as a plugin. (I'm just speculating - I don't have Reactor myself but I heard Rob Hoare play some great things on sax and flute through Reactor within Logic last night at the PiNG.) Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 16:28:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 822D53BF52; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:28:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00a701c59848$6239f580$040a0a0a@fabio> From: "Fabio Anile" To: , References: <00d801c59848$1d226db0$6501a8c0@khartung> Subject: Re: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:28:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:28:37 +0000 (UTC) I hear the loop, Kris. But the volume level is low. Bye Fabio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 6:26 PM Subject: RE: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances > Okay, let's try this again! :) > > I just recorded a basic and relatively thoughtless loop sequence for > testing purposes, and it is running from my EDPs to my mixer board, and > to my laptop right now, streaming to the Shoutcast server. > > If you could give it a test, and let me know if you can hear the loop, > whether the quality is alright for you, etc...that would be great. This > is streaming at 64kbps. > > http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (click on "listen") > > The only thing that I can't seem to do on my system is get the soundcard > line input to work, so I had to use the mic level...oddly enough it is > still in stereo, but I had to crank my output level down to practically > 0 to preven overloading the input (mic is much more sensitive). > > Cheers, > > Kris > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 16:34:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F9CE3BF5C; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:34:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jSZFhG54iQBqTar/aRAYPZpjbSj6rpuuIutzwZenVaVfLPN8LKssic6bD1CjyY1RTIBPwpvXbw0uH66C95rAQj08kLrgiWt4fbvqyuYLtSMYW1J9W11tzfAAJvP3wypg1brFR2n203SBS74f4AvM6xw/7TeD7oYakOY1eiyU+ac= Message-ID: <64b81a78050803093420067625@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:34:25 -0400 From: Todd Pafford Reply-To: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances In-Reply-To: <00a701c59848$6239f580$040a0a0a@fabio> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <00d801c59848$1d226db0$6501a8c0@khartung> <00a701c59848$6239f580$040a0a0a@fabio> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:34:38 +0000 (UTC) It seems I'm firewalled at the moment (at work) and can't get to port 9030. Sigh. Is this the box that'll be serving the streams to everyone or an intermediate test? If this is the final box you might want to move the stream to port 80 (http) so your average audience member won't have to worry about firewalls. I'll happilly test from home later, but I doubt you want to leave your loop running that long. :) Todd On 8/3/05, Fabio Anile wrote: > I hear the loop, Kris. > But the volume level is low. > Bye > Fabio >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Krispen Hartung" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 6:26 PM > Subject: RE: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances >=20 >=20 > > Okay, let's try this again! :) > > > > I just recorded a basic and relatively thoughtless loop sequence for > > testing purposes, and it is running from my EDPs to my mixer board, and > > to my laptop right now, streaming to the Shoutcast server. > > > > If you could give it a test, and let me know if you can hear the loop, > > whether the quality is alright for you, etc...that would be great. This > > is streaming at 64kbps. > > > > http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (click on "listen") > > > > The only thing that I can't seem to do on my system is get the soundcar= d > > line input to work, so I had to use the mic level...oddly enough it is > > still in stereo, but I had to crank my output level down to practically > > 0 to preven overloading the input (mic is much more sensitive). > > > > Cheers, > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > >=20 >=20 --=20 ~~calenlas~~ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 16:38:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CC8E3BEF6; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:38:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: The Ultimate Sitar Guitar Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:37:57 -0600 Message-ID: <00da01c59849$b468aa80$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C59817.69CE3A80" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <1e3.412bdb9c.302244ab@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.200000 Suspicious tags-to-text ratio=1.2 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 116, in=397, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:38:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C59817.69CE3A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ah, yes, hex pickups...that opens up a whole new world of possibilities. I used to own the GR-30, and I loved the sitar patch. It combined, as you say, the sitar sound with the droning Tanpura (that is the typical droning stringed instument in the background of most Indian music). I think I saw that Boss WP unit in a store before, and I was lusting over it until it said I had to have a hex pickup. Darn. Basically, this is what I did on my Boss VF-1 last night. Autowah Mode=BPF Polarity=up Sensitivity=50 Frequency=86 Peak=20 Rate=50 Depth=50 Level=100 EQ Low = -20db (all the way down) High = +4db Low-Mid Frequency=800Hz Low-Mid Q=1.0 Low-Mid level=0 High-Mid Frequency=4k Hi-Mid Q=1 Hi-Mid Level=0db Flanger Rate=3 Depth=70 Manual=50 Rsonance=60 Level=75 With some reverb and delay added to taste. Kris -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:03 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Ultimate Sitar Guitar Kris, I don't use it very often but the Boss WP-20G ($189.97 @ Sweetwater: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/WP20G/) has a fair-to-middling faux sitar patch. The catch is that you have to have a Roland GK hex pickup on your guitar. BTW, some of the Roland guitar synths have sitar patches as well -- as long as were mentioning hex pickups. The best fake sitar I've ever been able to achieve has been blending the sitar patch on a GR-1 with a similar Indian instrument sample (maybe sarod, veena or the drone instrument I can't remember) from an EMU Proteus III World. The ensemble of sounds seems (correctly or incorrectly) to match much better what folks "expect" to hear. It sounds more Beatlesque than authentically Indian though, and a little too polished. I'm definitely NOT well-schooled on any form of World music (Indian or any other). So I usually eschew using sounds I don't know at least something about the way their "supposed" to be played -- or have a really good feel for. That's also why I very seldom play a real "blues" tune. I have no "feel" for it. It always sounds wooden and inauthentic to me -- coming from my own fingers and instrument. Best regards, tEd R kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C59817.69CE3A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Ah,=20 yes, hex pickups...that opens up a whole new world of possibilities. I = used to=20 own the GR-30, and I loved the sitar patch. It combined, as you say, the = sitar=20 sound with the droning Tanpura (that is the typical droning stringed = instument=20 in the background of most Indian music).  I think I saw that Boss = WP unit=20 in a store before, and I was lusting over it until it said I had to have = a hex=20 pickup. Darn.
 
Basically, this is what I did on my Boss VF-1 last=20 night.
 
Autowah
 
Mode=3DBPF
Polarity=3Dup
Sensitivity=3D50
Frequency=3D86
Peak=3D20
Rate=3D50
Depth=3D50
Level=3D100
 
EQ
 
Low=20 =3D -20db (all the way down)
High=20 =3D +4db
Low-Mid Frequency=3D800Hz
Low-Mid Q=3D1.0
Low-Mid level=3D0
High-Mid Frequency=3D4k
Hi-Mid Q=3D1
Hi-Mid Level=3D0db
 
Flanger
 
Rate=3D3
Depth=3D70
Manual=3D50
Rsonance=3D60
Level=3D75
 
With=20 some reverb and delay added to taste.
 
Kris
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com]
Sent: = Wednesday,=20 August 03, 2005 10:03 AM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: The = Ultimate Sitar=20 Guitar

Kris,

I don't use = it very often=20 but the Boss WP-20G ($189.97 @ Sweetwater:=20 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/WP20G/) has a = fair-to-middling
faux=20 sitar patch. The catch is that you have to have a Roland GK = hex
pickup on=20 your guitar. BTW, some of the Roland guitar synths have sitar =
patches as=20 well -- as long as were mentioning hex pickups. The best fake
sitar = I've=20 ever been able to achieve has been blending the sitar patch on
a = GR-1 with=20 a similar Indian instrument sample (maybe sarod, veena or the
drone = instrument I can't remember) from an EMU Proteus III World. The =
ensemble=20 of sounds seems (correctly or incorrectly) to match much better =
what folks=20 "expect" to hear. It sounds more Beatlesque than = authentically
Indian=20 though, and a little too polished. I'm definitely NOT well-schooled = on
any=20 form of World music (Indian or any other). So I usually eschew = using
sounds=20 I don't know at least something about the way their "supposed" to =
be=20 played -- or have a really good feel for. That's also why I very = seldom=20
play a real "blues" tune. I have no "feel" for it. It always = sounds wooden=20
and inauthentic to me -- coming from my own fingers and = instrument.=20

Best=20 regards,

tEd ® kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is = always=20 different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845= 073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_1= 7314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?Pro= ductID=3D193

Ted = Killian's "Flux=20 Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, = MusicMatch,=20 MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents,=20 Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic,=20 Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, = blah.=20 So???=20
------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C59817.69CE3A80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 16:46:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86F693BF4C; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:46:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:46:39 -0600 Message-ID: <00e301c5984a$eb74a820$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <64b81a78050803093420067625@mail.gmail.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.772000 Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 116, in=398, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:46:41 +0000 (UTC) Changing the port is not an option. Both the IP and the port were given to my by Shoutcast. I can't hear it from my work laptop either, because of my firewall. I'll leave the loop going for another 30 min or so...one thing that I'm hearing on my side is an occasional skip...I recall this when I listed to the Y2K4 stream last year. I wonder if I can resolve this by reducing my bitrate from 64 to lower. Something funny....changing the frequency rate from 44 to 22 is like hitting the half-speed button on the EDP! Heh heh.. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Todd Pafford [mailto:calenlas@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:34 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances It seems I'm firewalled at the moment (at work) and can't get to port 9030. Sigh. Is this the box that'll be serving the streams to everyone or an intermediate test? If this is the final box you might want to move the stream to port 80 (http) so your average audience member won't have to worry about firewalls. I'll happilly test from home later, but I doubt you want to leave your loop running that long. :) Todd On 8/3/05, Fabio Anile wrote: > I hear the loop, Kris. > But the volume level is low. > Bye > Fabio > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Krispen Hartung" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 6:26 PM > Subject: RE: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances > > > > Okay, let's try this again! :) > > > > I just recorded a basic and relatively thoughtless loop sequence for > > testing purposes, and it is running from my EDPs to my mixer board, > > and to my laptop right now, streaming to the Shoutcast server. > > > > If you could give it a test, and let me know if you can hear the > > loop, whether the quality is alright for you, etc...that would be > > great. This is streaming at 64kbps. > > > > http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (click on "listen") > > > > The only thing that I can't seem to do on my system is get the > > soundcard line input to work, so I had to use the mic level...oddly > > enough it is still in stereo, but I had to crank my output level > > down to practically 0 to preven overloading the input (mic is much > > more sensitive). > > > > Cheers, > > > > Kris > > > > > > > > > > -- ~~calenlas~~ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 16:54:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4212C3BF35; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:54:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:54:44 -0600 Message-ID: <00ed01c5984c$0c8e0e60$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <00a701c59848$6239f580$040a0a0a@fabio> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.772000 Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 116, in=383, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <_IzzQ.A.dL.WbP8CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:54:47 +0000 (UTC) I just fixed the level...closer to 0db now! Man, this is cool. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Fabio Anile [mailto:fabio.anile@tiscali.it] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:28 AM To: info@krispenhartung.com; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances I hear the loop, Kris. But the volume level is low. Bye Fabio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 6:26 PM Subject: RE: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances > Okay, let's try this again! :) > > I just recorded a basic and relatively thoughtless loop sequence for > testing purposes, and it is running from my EDPs to my mixer board, > and to my laptop right now, streaming to the Shoutcast server. > > If you could give it a test, and let me know if you can hear the loop, > whether the quality is alright for you, etc...that would be great. > This is streaming at 64kbps. > > http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (click on "listen") > > The only thing that I can't seem to do on my system is get the > soundcard line input to work, so I had to use the mic level...oddly > enough it is still in stereo, but I had to crank my output level down > to practically 0 to preven overloading the input (mic is much more > sensitive). > > Cheers, > > Kris > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 16:59:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DC4B3BF1E; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:59:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:58:56 -0600 Message-ID: <00fa01c5984c$a3120210$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <00ed01c5984c$0c8e0e60$6501a8c0@khartung> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.772000 Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 116, in=373, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:59:04 +0000 (UTC) Okay, I'm going to play some live stuff here in about 3 min! Kris -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:55 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances I just fixed the level...closer to 0db now! Man, this is cool. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Fabio Anile [mailto:fabio.anile@tiscali.it] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:28 AM To: info@krispenhartung.com; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances I hear the loop, Kris. But the volume level is low. Bye Fabio ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 6:26 PM Subject: RE: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances > Okay, let's try this again! :) > > I just recorded a basic and relatively thoughtless loop sequence for > testing purposes, and it is running from my EDPs to my mixer board, > and to my laptop right now, streaming to the Shoutcast server. > > If you could give it a test, and let me know if you can hear the loop, > whether the quality is alright for you, etc...that would be great. > This is streaming at 64kbps. > > http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (click on "listen") > > The only thing that I can't seem to do on my system is get the > soundcard line input to work, so I had to use the mic level...oddly > enough it is still in stereo, but I had to crank my output level down > to practically 0 to preven overloading the input (mic is much more > sensitive). > > Cheers, > > Kris > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 17:00:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C305B3BF3D; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 17:00:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fvUjxZAQUsIne0dykiYPaZ+BiAvjVO0x1Altsi+hgMZtGJqVd9sHIO510seM6109X0f3IJLUJNcZshp+AGyY0dsRxpfwWCYUcIJiBCx6Bu/Fqx/i4zZSxU/NPBY6KbzAcINXkqaPm4HVpUPWA1Mfq7l68YPhdqiBvUY/6KRVBG0= ; Message-ID: <20050803170009.39639.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 10:00:08 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Variax? (was:Re: Sitars) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050803161820.80792.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 17:00:14 +0000 (UTC) I've always thought it might be nice to have the Variax, just for the odd stuff it does, but I heard too many reports that it seemed like a very cheap Chinese guitar with some cool electronics. Has the quality improved on these, or do they still lean on the emulation instead of making a great guitar with cool emulation. --- "L. Angulo" wrote: __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 17:45:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDF653BF40; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 17:45:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42F102AE.9090402@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 19:45:18 +0200 From: Andreas Wetterberg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: More OT - Diapers.............arrrrrrgggggggghhhh!!!!!! References: <20050803003857.86194.qmail@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050803003857.86194.qmail@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 17:45:20 +0000 (UTC) There was a recent study that showed that modern disposable diapers to be as bio-friendly as... urgh...re-usables... Unless you of course want to handwash them without soap! Hehe.Hoorah for the advances in bio-degradability! Hoorah! Andreas. Tim Nelson wrote: >And it gets even worse from there, Rick; Stanley >Mason's big claim to fame was as the inventor of the >form-fitting, taped-closure disposable diaper. You >know, the kind that give ecologically-conscious >Californians such as yerself conniptions. :P > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 17:54:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC81A3BF58; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 17:54:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:54:30 -0600 Message-ID: <010201c59854$667b7950$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0103_01C59822.1BE10950" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <1e.4a86efab.30225581@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.200000 Suspicious tags-to-text ratio=1.2 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 116, in=401, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <5MIpGB.A.9oC.dTQ8CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 17:54:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0103_01C59822.1BE10950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you all for allowing me to be self-indulgent with the loops on this live stream. For those of you who have been on for the last...eh, 10 minutes? I lost track...I hope you liked the spontaneous improv. :) I think I'm all set for my Sept 1 show. It appears that some people have no problems wiht the stream, others do. I'll do some reading to see if I can improve the situation..perhaps providing two different streams at different bit rates. Kris -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 11:15 AM To: info@krispenhartung.com Subject: Re: Inexpensive/Easy Way to Stream Live Performances Kris, This is so damn cool! I am elated for you. Best regards, tEd R kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_000_0103_01C59822.1BE10950 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Thank you all for allowing me to be = self-indulgent with=20 the loops on this live stream. For those of you who have been on for the = last...eh, 10 minutes? I lost track...I hope you liked the spontaneous = improv.=20 :)
 
I=20 think I'm all set for my Sept 1 show. It appears that some people have = no=20 problems wiht the stream, others do. I'll do some reading to see if I = can=20 improve the situation..perhaps providing two different streams at = different bit=20 rates.
 
Kris
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com]
Sent: = Wednesday,=20 August 03, 2005 11:15 AM
To:=20 info@krispenhartung.com
Subject: Re: Inexpensive/Easy Way to = Stream=20 Live Performances

Kris,

This is so=20 damn cool! I am elated for you.

Best regards,

tEd ® kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is = always=20 different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845= 073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_1= 7314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?Pro= ductID=3D193

Ted = Killian's "Flux=20 Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, = MusicMatch,=20 MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents,=20 Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic,=20 Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, = blah.=20 So???=20
------=_NextPart_000_0103_01C59822.1BE10950-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 18:26:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C68493BF35; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:26:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=S+6+uxodNTQO4qhT6UJwJpL48+Zg3Que9snSyUTu/m7kAmz7S/zSJLY1/WOJBAtqFu4Hs+7qH1u9rWzWtcT4GMVRpA57GMt3DcJBFKTNQCm8HjngPYlailzRKw3RsPFQcM6NLvVc4hjyNP81lTmtkYYXpJF0uo6ecOVfC1YGMDg= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:26:30 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: More OT - Diapers.............arrrrrrgggggggghhhh!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <42F102AE.9090402@post.cybercity.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050803003857.86194.qmail@web30503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <42F102AE.9090402@post.cybercity.dk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:26:31 +0000 (UTC) Yes, but people don't tend to bury feces-laden cotton diapers by the ton every day. However, I'm sure that Huggies research department is quite proud of that study.... On 8/3/05, Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > There was a recent study that showed that modern disposable diapers to > be as bio-friendly as... urgh...re-usables... Unless you of course want > to handwash them without soap! Hehe.Hoorah for the advances in > bio-degradability! Hoorah! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 18:39:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 297C13BF4E; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:39:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: <99.63a35e84.30226959@aol.com> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:39:21 EDT Subject: Re: OT: More OT - Diapers.............arrrrrrgggggggghhhh!!!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_99.63a35e84.30226959_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <6MkV-D.A.NUE.d9Q8CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:39:26 +0000 (UTC) --part1_99.63a35e84.30226959_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Eeeeeeww. We are woefully off topic aren't we. In a message dated 8/3/05 11:26:56 AM, travishartnett@gmail.com writes: > Yes, but people don't tend to bury feces-laden cotton diapers by the > ton every day.=A0 However, I'm sure that Huggies research department is > quite proud of that study.... >=20 Thank goodness my kids (3 boys) are all long out of that stage. However, it won't be too may years hence 'till an awful lot of us (if we live long=20 enough) will go through our own little "Pampers/Depends" stage. If we make it that=20 long, I hope they don't deprive us of that little convenience. It ain't happened=20 yet,=20 but it'll happen soon enough for some of us. Loop on, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_99.63a35e84.30226959_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,

Eeeeeeww. We are woefully off topic aren't we.

In a message dated 8/3/05 11:26:56 AM, travishartnett@gmail.com writes:

Yes, but people don't= tend to bury feces-laden cotton diapers by the
ton every day.=A0 However, I'm sure that Huggies research department is
quite proud of that study....

Thank goodness my kids (3 boys) are all long out of that stage. However,
it won't be too may years hence 'till an awful lot of us (if we live long en= ough)
will go through our own little "Pampers/Depends" stage. If we make it that l= ong,
I hope they don't deprive us of that little convenience. It ain't happened y= et,
but it'll happen soon enough for some of us.

Loop on,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_99.63a35e84.30226959_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 18:57:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE0883BF22; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:57:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: OT: More OT - Diapers.............arrrrrrgggggggghhhh!!!!!! Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:57:03 -0600 Message-ID: <011601c5985d$23312150$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0117_01C5982A.D896B150" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <99.63a35e84.30226959@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.547000 Subject has lots of exclamation marks=1.0,Some tags-to-text=0.5 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 116, in=386, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:57:11 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0117_01C5982A.D896B150 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This thread is making me laugh...with 12 week old twins, we go through 16, yes 16 diapers a day! At first, my wife and I experimented and tried out 5 differenet name brands of diapers...we went with Pampers because they fit the best and because of those nifty little velcro fasters on them (not tape)...uh oh, we're back on the velcro subject again! :) In any event, I'm doing my fair share of cluttering the local landfill. Yikes. ...but keeping on the topic of diapers and bringing this back to music. I buy the thick cloth diapers for polishing and wiping down my guitars. I find they work well for this and don't scratch the finish, plus they catch spit-up on your shoulder, from the baby of course, not me while I'm playing. Kris -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 12:39 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: More OT - Diapers.............arrrrrrgggggggghhhh!!!!!! Hi all, Eeeeeeww. We are woefully off topic aren't we. In a message dated 8/3/05 11:26:56 AM, travishartnett@gmail.com writes: Yes, but people don't tend to bury feces-laden cotton diapers by the ton every day. However, I'm sure that Huggies research department is quite proud of that study.... Thank goodness my kids (3 boys) are all long out of that stage. However, it won't be too may years hence 'till an awful lot of us (if we live long enough) will go through our own little "Pampers/Depends" stage. If we make it that long, I hope they don't deprive us of that little convenience. It ain't happened yet, but it'll happen soon enough for some of us. Loop on, tEd R kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_000_0117_01C5982A.D896B150 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
This=20 thread is making me laugh...with 12 week old twins, we go through 16, = yes 16=20 diapers a day!  At first, my wife and I experimented and tried out = 5=20 differenet name brands of diapers...we went with Pampers because they = fit the=20 best and because of those nifty little velcro fasters on them (not = tape)...uh=20 oh, we're back on the velcro subject again!  :)  In any event, = I'm=20 doing my fair share of cluttering the local landfill.  Yikes.=20
 
...but keeping on the topic of diapers and bringing this back = to music. I=20 buy the thick cloth diapers for polishing and wiping down my guitars. I = find=20 they work well for this and don't scratch the finish, plus they catch = spit-up on=20 your shoulder, from the baby of course, not me while I'm=20 playing.
 
Kris
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com]
Sent: = Wednesday,=20 August 03, 2005 12:39 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: OT: More OT = -=20 = Diapers.............arrrrrrgggggggghhhh!!!!!!

Hi all,

Eeeeeeww. We are woefully off = topic aren't=20 we.

In a message dated 8/3/05 11:26:56 AM, = travishartnett@gmail.com=20 writes:

Yes, but people don't tend to bury feces-laden = cotton=20 diapers by the
ton every day.  However, I'm sure that = Huggies=20 research department is
quite proud of that study....

Thank goodness my kids (3 boys) are = all long out=20 of that stage. However,
it won't be too may years hence 'till an = awful lot=20 of us (if we live long enough)
will go through our own little=20 "Pampers/Depends" stage. If we make it that long,
I hope they don't = deprive=20 us of that little convenience. It ain't happened yet,
but it'll = happen=20 soon enough for some of us.

Loop on,

tEd ® kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is = always=20 different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845= 073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_1= 7314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?Pro= ductID=3D193

Ted = Killian's "Flux=20 Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, = MusicMatch,=20 MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents,=20 Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic,=20 Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, = blah.=20 So???=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0117_01C5982A.D896B150-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 19:05:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F37633BF50; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:05:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Sitars Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 13:05:03 -0600 Message-ID: <011d01c5985e$412e5370$6501a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <080320051605.13188.42F0EB53000AD6F50000338421979128029B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 116, in=402, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:05:09 +0000 (UTC) Hey Mark, I can't play any of those clips directly from your server, and I hardly ever have a problem with this. I get the error: "Windows Media Player cannot play the file. If the file is on another computer, verify that you are connected to the network. If you typed a path, verify that it is correct. If the problem persists, the server might not be available." But they do play if I download them first. Very cool. Man, you are going to force me to start playing my sitar out again. Actually, I'd rather play my tablas and hand my sitar over to someone else. Where was your tabla player? ;) Kris -----Original Message----- From: mwsmart@insightbb.com [mailto:mwsmart@insightbb.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 10:06 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Sitars I've already posted on here about this, but it's been a couple of years, so I'll post again. I have a couple of pages up about my loop-modified Jerry Jones electric sitar: I did the mod long before I had an RC-20 or an Echoplex. If you have an actual looper like that, the mod is unnecessary. I've played around with loading tabla drum loops into an RC-20 and playing the sitar along with it, that sounded pretty cool. The loops were from some cassettes of tabla loops from the Batish Institute, kind of an Indian Jamey Aebersold tape. The Line 6 Variax has a really nice electric sitar emulation. Unlike on a real electric sitar, the sympathetic strings actually sympathize! There's a knob to control the volume of the symp strings. I think I heard the VG-88 has a sitar imitation, but I don't know if it's any good. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 19:31:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C7CE3BF0B; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:31:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=It5rF6AbR8A++52JCbWCanpAkqUUoFirRxRl/G1bWAC3BXgksS3nBiFRylNq/hJDJaMZlMCXDcTY9BOHWqh20MYpE70ZDze24QoAy99V2USbC5IQuhTWlPPpYFWS1G+o4wOIiiDW/kEwMsLtNTdbH0EHrvMjuP9xZOmrH/2bfpU= ; Message-ID: <20050803193119.24863.qmail@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:31:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: pedal abuse (was sitar) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:31:21 +0000 (UTC) That's exactly how I feel about the Boss Acoustic Simulator. It *really* doesn't do what it's described as doing, but if you just think of it as an EQ preset box with a couple of "other" footswitchable clean tones in it, it can be useful. What other pedals are you guys using for purposes other than their manufacturers intended? (Musical purposes, I mean...) -t- --- burnett@pobox.com wrote: > Back to last night's discussion on this topic: I > have and use a Danelectro > Sitar Swami. It doesn't sound much like a sitar to > me and I consider it > to be a massive error in advertising, but I do like > it at times. I use it > sparingly and almost never by itself, though. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 19:33:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D7313BF3E; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:33:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b001c59862$32f3c2a0$3300a8c0@Exscribe.com> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <011601c5985d$23312150$6501a8c0@khartung> Subject: Re: OT: More OT - Diapers.............arrrrrrgggggggghhhh!!!!!! Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:25:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C5983F.87A11690" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:33:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C5983F.87A11690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Messagewhat a wild topic thread. ;) I can even get this one back to Looping! =20 We used cloth diapers for our daughter. We had a little device about = the size of a quarter that we put in the folds of the diaper and it = would play "How Dry I Am" over and over (see looping!) when it got wet. = Tony ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 2:57 PM Subject: RE: OT: More OT - = Diapers.............arrrrrrgggggggghhhh!!!!!! This thread is making me laugh...with 12 week old twins, we go through = 16, yes 16 diapers a day! At first, my wife and I experimented and = tried out 5 differenet name brands of diapers...we went with Pampers = because they fit the best and because of those nifty little velcro = fasters on them (not tape)...uh oh, we're back on the velcro subject = again! :) In any event, I'm doing my fair share of cluttering the = local landfill. Yikes.=20 ...but keeping on the topic of diapers and bringing this back to = music. I buy the thick cloth diapers for polishing and wiping down my = guitars. I find they work well for this and don't scratch the finish, = plus they catch spit-up on your shoulder, from the baby of course, not = me while I'm playing. Kris -----Original Message----- From: ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 12:39 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: More OT - = Diapers.............arrrrrrgggggggghhhh!!!!!! Hi all, Eeeeeeww. We are woefully off topic aren't we. In a message dated 8/3/05 11:26:56 AM, travishartnett@gmail.com = writes: Yes, but people don't tend to bury feces-laden cotton diapers by = the ton every day. However, I'm sure that Huggies research department = is quite proud of that study.... Thank goodness my kids (3 boys) are all long out of that stage. = However, it won't be too may years hence 'till an awful lot of us (if we live = long enough) will go through our own little "Pampers/Depends" stage. If we make = it that long, I hope they don't deprive us of that little convenience. It ain't = happened yet,=20 but it'll happen soon enough for some of us. Loop on, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C5983F.87A11690 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
what a wild topic thread. = ;)
 
I can even get this one back to = Looping! =20
 
We used cloth diapers for our = daughter.  =20 We had a little device about the size of a quarter that we put in the = folds of=20 the diaper and it would play "How Dry I Am" over and over (see = looping!)=20 when it got wet. 
 
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, = 2005 2:57=20 PM
Subject: RE: OT: More OT -=20 Diapers.............arrrrrrgggggggghhhh!!!!!!

This thread is making me laugh...with 12 week old twins, we = go through=20 16, yes 16 diapers a day!  At first, my wife and I experimented = and tried=20 out 5 differenet name brands of diapers...we went with Pampers because = they=20 fit the best and because of those nifty little velcro fasters on them = (not=20 tape)...uh oh, we're back on the velcro subject again!  :)  = In any=20 event, I'm doing my fair share of cluttering the local landfill.  = Yikes.=20
 
...but keeping on the topic of diapers and bringing this back = to music.=20 I buy the thick cloth diapers for polishing and wiping down my = guitars. I find=20 they work well for this and don't scratch the finish, plus they catch = spit-up=20 on your shoulder, from the baby of course, not me while I'm=20 playing.
 
Kris
 
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 ArsOcarina@aol.com [mailto:ArsOcarina@aol.com]
Sent: = Wednesday,=20 August 03, 2005 12:39 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: OT: More = OT -=20 = Diapers.............arrrrrrgggggggghhhh!!!!!!

Hi all,

Eeeeeeww. We are woefully off = topic aren't=20 we.

In a message dated 8/3/05 11:26:56 AM, = travishartnett@gmail.com=20 writes:

Yes, but people don't tend to bury = feces-laden cotton=20 diapers by the
ton every day.  However, I'm sure that = Huggies=20 research department is
quite proud of that = study....

Thank goodness my kids (3 boys) = are all long=20 out of that stage. However,
it won't be too may years hence 'till = an=20 awful lot of us (if we live long enough)
will go through our own = little=20 "Pampers/Depends" stage. If we make it that long,
I hope they = don't=20 deprive us of that little convenience. It ain't happened yet, =
but it'll=20 happen soon enough for some of us.

Loop on,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but = better is=20 always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845= 073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_1= 7314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?Pro= ductID=3D193

Ted = Killian's "Flux=20 Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, = MusicMatch,=20 MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents,=20 Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic,=20 Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, = blah.=20 So??? =
------=_NextPart_000_00A8_01C5983F.87A11690-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 19:42:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58A313BF3B; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:42:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 14:41:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Matt Davignon: Bwoo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4433362.1123098119173.JavaMail.root@vms068.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1BdF9C.A.z4G.L4R8CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:42:04 +0000 (UTC) >Our own Matt Davignon's latest CD 'Bwoo' has been reviewed in the August >issue of WIRE magazine (see below). Congratulations Matt !!! > >Michael Peters >www.michaelpeters.de > >--------------------------- fantastic matt!.....mic From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 19:47:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02FE63BF50; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:47:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=6USERLjx2o2T1m51hXd3jQ7MqzSbBREvoZFJm/HKxoxjYH2bTiBmGg6HDoCUXNkD2v+eZWlfTENMVqngcUj+Hy3sJB5PgHwNpd5tsh07OJDRywWZKdawecSk7dbX8KPRwU2WHzLNsrmQYZtZxvysGS2qOgZOiCqz5mifY6ODf1M= ; Message-ID: <20050803194702.41932.qmail@web32513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:47:02 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: RE: Simulate a sitar with guitar effects? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050803064023.392963BF11@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-846053534-1123098422=:40622" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:47:04 +0000 (UTC) --0-846053534-1123098422=:40622 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit greetings, Sitar aye? you could physicaly modify any guitar to get that sitar~like sound by inserting an object(wood block)directly under the strings/butted up to the bridge.adjust the hight of said object till the strings buzz against it slightly.tuning low may help get that funky drone tone.heck you could put in a few levers and make it an on or off type thinggy."double locking tremelo feux sitar replacement bridge?" scary visionary. Luigi Meloni wrote:v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} Hi Krispen, Have you received the cds I sent you? I really loved your cds and dvd (remember, you sent them to me for a translation from italian to english...) Just to get back to your question... have you tried to put the harmonizer/pitch shift effect very low in volume right after the flanger? I usually use this kind of preset with the piezo on my electric guitar to obtain a sitar-like sound, and then I play a bit with the slide and the sustainer and the vibrato bar... Since I don’t have a sitar, I don’t know if I actually obtain the best approximation, but on the recordings it seems a bit like it... Luigi --------------------------------- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com] Sent: mercoledì 3 agosto 2005 7.12 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Simulate a sitar with guitar effects? Yeah, I heard about this unit, but that it wasn't that great at emulating the instrument. In any event, I just created a VF-1 patch that isn't too bad...I combined auto-wah (that is active in the high end range), EQ (notching all the low end and low mid range out), and flange (with the rate very low and depth high). That is decent at mimicking the main playing string of the guitar, but getting the sympathetic strings is a different story. I might look for a VST effect where I can loop a drone in a particular key, and have it sound like the sympathetic strings...then I can play with my VF-1 patch over that. Kris -----Original Message----- From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:55 PM To: info@krispenhartung.com; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Simulate a sitar with guitar effects? Danelectro Sitar Swami I was never convinced... http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/Danelectro/Sitar_Swami-01.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Krispen Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 12:44 AM Subject: Simulate a sitar with guitar effects? I know, I have and play the sitar and shouldn't be asking this question, but does anyone know what mixture of effects might simulate the sound of a sitar? I was thinking of mixing some auto-wah with flange and a touch of high octave. Any other suggestions? I was hoping to create the mix on my Boss VF-1. Kris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-846053534-1123098422=:40622 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
greetings,    Sitar aye?  you could physicaly modify any guitar to get that sitar~like sound by inserting an object(wood block)directly under the strings/butted up to the bridge.adjust the hight of said object till the strings buzz against it slightly.tuning low may help get that funky drone tone.heck you could put in a few levers and make it an on or off type thinggy."double locking tremelo feux sitar replacement bridge?"
scary visionary.
Luigi Meloni <luigimeloni74@libero.it> wrote:

Hi Krispen,

Have you received the cds I sent you? I really loved your cds and dvd (remember, you sent them to me for a translation from italian to english...)

Just to get back to your question... have you tried to put the harmonizer/pitch shift effect very low in volume right after the flanger?

I usually use this kind of preset with the piezo on my electric guitar to obtain a sitar-like sound, and then I play a bit with the slide and the sustainer and the vibrato bar...

Since I don’t have a sitar, I don’t know if I actually obtain the best approximation, but on the recordings it seems a bit like it...

 

Luigi

 

 

From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:info@krispenhartung.com]
Sent: mercoledì 3 agosto 2005 7.12
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Simulate a sitar with guitar effects?

 

Yeah, I heard about this unit, but that it wasn't that great at emulating the instrument.  In any event, I just created a VF-1 patch that isn't too bad...I combined auto-wah (that is active in the high end range), EQ (notching all the low end and low mid range out), and flange (with the rate very low and depth high).  That is decent at mimicking the main playing string of the guitar, but getting the sympathetic strings is a different story. I might look for a VST effect where I can loop a drone in a particular key, and have it sound like the sympathetic strings...then I can play with my VF-1 patch over that. 

 

Kris

 

-----Original Message-----
From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:55 PM
To: info@krispenhartung.com; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Simulate a sitar with guitar effects?

Danelectro Sitar Swami

I was never convinced...

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 12:44 AM

Subject: Simulate a sitar with guitar effects?

 

I know, I have and play the sitar and shouldn't be asking this question, but does anyone know what mixture of effects might simulate the sound of a sitar? I was thinking of mixing some auto-wah with flange and a touch of high octave. Any other suggestions?  I was hoping to create the mix on my Boss VF-1.

 

Kris

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-846053534-1123098422=:40622-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 19:53:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDDAE3BF58; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:53:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5EdHZZe3k7UWgdznB9xFAUxLdcxM45pXMK7MJYuQVS5czNazkfwZ7UzXXE8fAKLg9sgcsUGW3WZgrBPiH8hw0EpgrgMNz7MQ3QmDNc7OpgbFK36JhWHjkUOC1hkFMc+Ngfh1ibPGADn/xyLSG0igqNfSbbPp5al132VWFDlgdtg= ; Message-ID: <20050803195306.44912.qmail@web32511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 12:53:06 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: OT: Velcro inventor................arrrrrrgggggggghhhh!!!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00f901c597c1$cafabf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-499939222-1123098786=:43936" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:53:07 +0000 (UTC) --0-499939222-1123098786=:43936 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit is velcro a petrochemical product?someone should invent hempcro...wheres jack herer when ya need em? "loop.pool" wrote:I"m so bereft: I read an article years ago in a Sunday supplement that said that Stanley Mason was the inventor of Velcro. I even clipped his picture and framed it on my 'Wall of Velcro'. Reading the post by Claude Voit, I now discover that the reporter was inaccurate. Do to this terrible, terrible discovery I realize I may not be able to claim to be the "King of Velcro". Oh my god. Is life worth living any longer? How could this have come to be? Rick ps oh, and by the way: fuck the Velcro company for claiming that we cannot use the word Velcro to describe our blessed pedal board fasteners!!!!! oh, yeah, and for artificially keeping the price of Velcro so high. There I said it and feel a little better. --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-499939222-1123098786=:43936 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

is velcro a petrochemical product?someone should invent hempcro...wheres jack herer when ya need em?

"loop.pool" <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
I"m so bereft:

I read an article years ago in a Sunday supplement that said that Stanley
Mason
was the inventor of Velcro. I even clipped his picture and framed it on
my
'Wall of Velcro'.

Reading the post by Claude Voit, I now discover that the reporter was
inaccurate.

Do to this terrible, terrible discovery I realize I may not be able to
claim to be the
"King of Velcro".

Oh my god. Is life worth living any longer?

How could this have come to be?

Rick

ps oh, and by the way: fuck the Velcro company for claiming that we
cannot use the word Velcro to describe our
blessed pedal board fasteners!!!!! oh, yeah, and for artificially keeping
the price of Velcro so high.
There I said it and feel a little better.

Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-499939222-1123098786=:43936-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 20:28:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97DC23BF29; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 20:28:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=pCnRUDIcO6AKy9jBNrif6gnuJOmANnKF9EIT80gLaJpRGRlabyNUqeADEKmIfAIDOEhE5HY0svRJ0fpZP1kMK1h5//8vZbnjLfV+JpxMYIqH9gaEaH1vGZjBFqX1L7ZgQ45WSET0e4K1jM67SAmcWXH5LdlV/16mVMi9WvSi+RI= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:28:20 -0500 From: magicicada Reply-To: magicicada To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: 2nd Annual Noissez Faire: ROME GA August 6th: Saturday In-Reply-To: <00a801c597e5$faa4b390$6501a8c0@khartung> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <00a801c597e5$faa4b390$6501a8c0@khartung> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 20:28:21 +0000 (UTC) i really like small town shows. if any of you happen to live near by or feel like going for a drive, do come on out. bar & beer on site but do byob if you would like. > Noisechronicle Productions & the city of Rome > proudly present the drone-post no core???!!(huh?)-swarm-noise-melodic-spaced out-violent-peaceful-freejazz-squonk-squark-BOOM!!!!!!!!!! > > 2nd Annual Noissez Faire: > a DIY festival of the Southeast's finest & most grating music > > featuring > > Nil Desperandum @ 6:00pm > FreeBass @ 6:30pm > The Burzee @ 7:00pm > Autio-Ethik @ 7:30pm > n @ 8:00pm > Lesley/Woodard/Cheatham @ 8:30pm > Black Blacks @ 9:15pm > magicicada @ 10:00pm > Son of COD @ 10:45pm > Pre-Revolutionary @ 11:45pm Saturday, August 6 > > Kim Chi Haus, 7 Myrtle Street, Rome,GA 30161 > This is a FREE concert! > > Directions from I-75: > Take the Rome/Canton exit, from the south take a left, from the north > take a right, you will pass Wal-Mart, take a left when road ends at > Huddle House, take immediate right onto ramp for Hwy. 41, stay on 41 > until you see an exit for Hwy. 411, stay on 411 until you reach Rome, > take the 2nd exit (simply says Rome, first exit says Dean St.), stay > on that road, you will go through dozens of fast food restaurants and > all that capitalist sprawl crap, when you get to Broad St (Checkers on > right) take a left, you will go through seven traffic lights through > the oh so lovely downtown district of Rome, stay straight and go over > an old bridge (Cotton Block BBQ on your right), on the other side of > this bridge is a HUUUGEEE cemetery, stay left, take the first right > past the cemetery (between the cemetery and the gas station), this is > Myrtle St, the show is at the second house on the left, next to the > yellow house. Alright, that is pretty damn specific, see you there. > > Call 706-766-7267 for more info, or if you get lost... > > Look for tracks from the bands on the WRAS 88.5 show "Lethal > Injection" this Thursday evening...http://www.lethalinjection.com http://www.magicicada.com/lethalinjection From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 21:14:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51D523BF07; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 21:14:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=l+ySz+fibsCUcVWhsvzdtl0R4DzHQvbluHyo+2dyBSNrr0+YcBJbwgcB62yOxOXiSVEwkdvRgmR/JEeVhEsbMbUDDeV2Hbq1PmwCgY9jFzUX7MbMZjLD/EVKVh69bt083ZKWihYuyapV0WoUEl0DbX/wGfkCMlxxYecVAngWxh8= ; Message-ID: <20050803211418.77538.qmail@web50009.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:14:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Marc Marshall Subject: Re: Sitars To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <080320051605.13188.42F0EB53000AD6F50000338421979128029B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1981065904-1123103658=:74779" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 21:14:21 +0000 (UTC) --0-1981065904-1123103658=:74779 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have a Roland Handsonic percussion module. It has sitars and LOTS of percussion on it. Built in sequencer. WAY COOL. you can loop anything in it to your hearts content. 11 pressure sensitive pads for live playing. DID I SAY IT WAS WAY COOL??? stereo outs. way cool etc................................. mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: I've already posted on here about this, but it's been a couple of years, so I'll post again. I have a couple of pages up about my loop-modified Jerry Jones electric sitar: I did the mod long before I had an RC-20 or an Echoplex. If you have an actual looper like that, the mod is unnecessary. I've played around with loading tabla drum loops into an RC-20 and playing the sitar along with it, that sounded pretty cool. The loops were from some cassettes of tabla loops from the Batish Institute, kind of an Indian Jamey Aebersold tape. The Line 6 Variax has a really nice electric sitar emulation. Unlike on a real electric sitar, the sympathetic strings actually sympathize! There's a knob to control the volume of the symp strings. I think I heard the VG-88 has a sitar imitation, but I don't know if it's any good. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1981065904-1123103658=:74779 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I have a Roland Handsonic percussion module.
It has sitars and LOTS of percussion on it.
Built in sequencer.
WAY COOL.
you can loop anything in it to your hearts content.
11 pressure sensitive pads for live playing.
DID I SAY IT WAS WAY COOL???
stereo outs.
way cool etc.................................

mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote:
I've already posted on here about this, but it's been a couple of years, so
I'll post again. I have a couple of pages up about my loop-modified
Jerry Jones electric sitar:




I did the mod long before I had an RC-20 or an Echoplex. If you have an
actual looper like that, the mod is unnecessary. I've played around with
loading tabla drum loops into an RC-20 and playing the sitar along with
it, that sounded pretty cool. The loops were from some cassettes of
tabla loops from the Batish Institute, kind of an Indian Jamey
Aebersold tape.

The Line 6 Variax has a really nice electric sitar emulation. Unlike on
a real electric sitar, the sympathetic strings actually sympathize! There's
a knob to control the volume of the symp strings.

I think I heard the VG-88 has a sitar imitation, but I don't know if it's
any good.

Mark Smart
http://www.marksmart.net

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1981065904-1123103658=:74779-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 22:02:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AA993BF23; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 22:02:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QZmImd9fytfttjielfcvMKEav48iIFp1StZei5pP4wS3wRCUcZ+H2yZwVJIV+va2jn3th5ATE8qDkib7deH6qeiKssKPVaZenkM6tkrsTBBwZT0zDKcHQCdHPu8Uigz4mUA8FSM7JYPpXHuFnuMao7vgIcZPUHv3g7fpLEKf5b0= Message-ID: <64b81a7805080315027a042a04@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:02:50 -0400 From: Todd Pafford Reply-To: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pedal abuse (was sitar) In-Reply-To: <20050803193119.24863.qmail@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050803193119.24863.qmail@web30504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 22:02:51 +0000 (UTC) I have an non-working Boss FV5 and a non-working Ibanez TS9 propping my PA speakers up so they sit at just the right angle. Also, lately I've been using another TS9 to "latch" my Boomerang's Stack switch ...and here's the tricky part... by sitting the TS9 on top of the switch to hold it down. Very innovative, I know. I've found that the TS9 has a very transparent tone when used in these ways. ;) Probably not the sort of uses you were fishing for, but I had to chime in. = :) Todd On 8/3/05, Tim Nelson wrote: > That's exactly how I feel about the Boss Acoustic > Simulator. It *really* doesn't do what it's described > as doing, but if you just think of it as an EQ preset > box with a couple of "other" footswitchable clean > tones in it, it can be useful. >=20 > What other pedals are you guys using for purposes > other than their manufacturers intended? (Musical > purposes, I mean...) >=20 > -t- >=20 > --- burnett@pobox.com wrote: > > Back to last night's discussion on this topic: I > > have and use a Danelectro > > Sitar Swami. It doesn't sound much like a sitar to > > me and I consider it > > to be a massive error in advertising, but I do like > > it at times. I use it > > sparingly and almost never by itself, though. >=20 >=20 >=20 > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail for Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail >=20 >=20 --=20 ~~calenlas~~ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 22:39:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FE503BF0B; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 22:39:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <000c01c5987b$b6acbb60$b6a1fe91@inap> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: , References: <000001c59849$0742a590$1602a8c0@studio> Subject: Re: Simulating Sitar Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 00:35:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 22:39:04 +0000 (UTC) A friend of mine produces an epoxy block that can be fitted to any guitar. Basically, it´s the same principle that you´ll find on a Jerry Jones Electric Sitar. Stephen. "I´m striving for the mysterious. The obvious doesn´t interest me." (Jon Hassell) Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott M2 To: Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 6:33 PM Subject: RE: Simulating Sitar > > >..I combined auto-wah (that is active in the high end range), > > > > if that has a hi-pass setting, try that > > > > > EQ (notching all the low end and low mid range out), and flange > > > (with the rate very low and depth high). > > > > if you can, turn the rate to zero, and tune the flanger to > > your root note > > to create a resonator > > > > > That is decent at mimicking the main playing string of the guitar, > > > but getting the sympathetic strings is a different story. I might > > > look for a VST effect where I can loop a drone in a particular key, > > > and have it sound like the sympathetic strings.. > > > > if you had a set of resonators, one for each note in the rag, you'd > > have a set of sympathetic strings. > > I've only tried with one resonator, but got some nice 'sympathy' > > on notes that were harmonically related to the resonator frequency. > > > > andy butler > > I seem to recall the Alesis Quadraverb-GT having programmable > resonators. Maybe Kris could check the back of his closet. > This also sounds like something that could be built in Reactor > and then used as a plugin. (I'm just speculating - I don't have Reactor > myself but I heard Rob Hoare play some great things on sax and flute > through Reactor within Logic last night at the PiNG.) > > Cheers, > Scott M2 > > http://www.dreamSTATE.to > ambientelectronicsoundscapes > http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 23:12:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32E5A3BF33; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 23:12:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 00:12:20 +0200 From: "Torstein H. Rem" Subject: Re: The Ultimate Sitar Guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <000101c59880$cb52e350$0200000a@remwavesnet> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_co5WLN08yhTKfnPyvodmCw)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00ca01c5983e$df3e3f00$6501a8c0@khartung> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 23:12:41 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_co5WLN08yhTKfnPyvodmCw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message That guitar looks like something for a new indian Elvis. I have a sarod and nothing comes close to a real instrument but for some lofi sitarlike sounds I use a Jawari pedal. Eyb makes a sitar bridge and tailpiece for installing on el guitars. http://www.eyb-guitars.de/english/etc/zubehoer.htm T. ----- Original Message ----- From: Krispen Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:20 PM Subject: RE: The Ultimate Sitar Guitar That is a most bizarre looking guitar...I think I'd rather play my actual sitar than buy that crazy looking thing. :) -----Original Message----- From: Monica [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 12:26 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: The Ultimate Sitar Guitar http://www.guitarmaniacs.de/html/users/teflon/teflon-gitarre-eyb.shtml (Scroll down to center of page.) Monica Asgard Guitars "guitar technology for the new emerging edge..." coolintensity@yahoo.com coolintensity1@aol.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --Boundary_(ID_co5WLN08yhTKfnPyvodmCw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Message

 
That guitar looks like something for a new indian Elvis.
 
 
I have a sarod and nothing comes close to a real instrument
but for some lofi sitarlike sounds I use a Jawari pedal.
 
Eyb makes a sitar bridge and tailpiece for installing on el guitars.
 
T.
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:20 PM
Subject: RE: The Ultimate Sitar Guitar

That is a most bizarre looking guitar...I think I'd rather play my actual sitar than buy that crazy looking thing. :)
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 12:26 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: The Ultimate Sitar Guitar

 
 
 
 
(Scroll down to center of page.)  Monica


 
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--Boundary_(ID_co5WLN08yhTKfnPyvodmCw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 23:21:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D10B3BF33; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 23:21:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 16:22:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pedal abuse (was sitar) In-Reply-To: <64b81a7805080315027a042a04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 23:21:24 +0000 (UTC) > > What other pedals are you guys using for purposes other than their manufacturers intended? (Musical purposes, I mean...) I have used the original EH microsynth pedal as a processor on ditial drum machines liek the TR707, etc for years. The Fuzz, filter, and backward envelope make sterile sounds not only breathe but moan and groan :) ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 3 23:51:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0F293BF29; Wed, 3 Aug 2005 23:51:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pedal abuse (was sitar) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 23:51:02 +0000 Message-Id: <080320052351.8545.42F15865000E7D4A0000216121979128029B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 21 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: <0t8_hB.A.pS.nhV8CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 23:51:03 +0000 (UTC) > What other pedals are you guys using for purposes > other than their manufacturers intended? (Musical > purposes, I mean...) > > -t- I've been playing around with feedback generating devices again in the last couple of weeks. Years ago I built a system to generate feedback which was very similar to the Sustainiac: A few weeks ago I was making an mp3 for my sister for her birthday ("Happy Birthday" as played by Hendrix at Woodstock) and that got me interested in this again. So now I'm buying some of those cheap Danelectro mini pedals so I can hack them up and combine them into an improved feedback system. When I was playing around with the stuff recently, I tried running the guitar sound through Reaktor before it went back to the feedback transducer. I figured out that if you add a short time delay to the signal, you can get the feedback to jump to a different note. It's like what happens when you use a phase reverse switch on the guitar pickups, except you can control it better. Reaktor is the best way to do it, but since I don't currently have a way to use Reaktor live, I'm thinking of making a little pedalboard with Dano pedals. For the short delay I plan on hacking a Hash Browns Flanger so that it only outputs delayed signal and the delay can be controlled with a pedal (instead of the normal LFO). I'm hoping I can mount the guts of the flanger inside a Dunlop volume pedal and have a pedal-controlled delay. I think that classifies as not using it the way it was intended...also I bought one of their micro-amp pedals which I plan to hack so that the signal output is actually an external speaker output. This will drive the feedback transducer. I'm adding a regular echo pedal (PB&J delay) so that I can get the wonderful screeching sound that results from running the feedbacking signal through a delay BEFORE the distortion in the audible signal chain. This sounds wonderfully psychotic. The whole system will look something like this: Guitar---->Compressor --+--->Echo-->Distortion->other FX--> Audible output | v Distortion | v Pedal-controlled short delay | v EQ (low end rolled off to prevent wolfing) | v Micro amp | Transducer<-----+ I'll let you know how it turns out. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 4 00:59:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F09E3BF08; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 00:59:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CH9uLl/V0f6bG1M19Xe3UuptqHZN0oMZxFnLL5Ses63ttwHFYPxAOdONtQ3KX/QgdM+g1vqRA+RuSaF2z7e6X/AUkTVqJmLbfkUlJBVQgkbrQJjEtnk6V31Gk9nlurSHlwrVIspF+7Lfe0y/Al8Cw4oNgfz90oY9kUaBzk893Gs= ; Message-ID: <20050804005907.72498.qmail@web50801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 17:59:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Wind Stick Devil Subject: Digitech Jamman Pedal Input Jack To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1469334748-1123117147=:71525" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 00:59:08 +0000 (UTC) --0-1469334748-1123117147=:71525 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Just an FYI: I have an older Digitech 3 button footswitch (rather than the new one they're hawking) that I bought to use with a GNX3 a while back. I was able to use this switch with the Jamman to change loops up or down. Saved me a few bucks. Regards, Wind --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. --0-1469334748-1123117147=:71525 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Just an FYI: I have an older Digitech 3 button footswitch (rather than the new one they're hawking) that I bought to use with a GNX3 a while back. I was able to use this switch with the Jamman to change loops up or down. Saved me a few bucks.
 
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Check email on your mobile phone. --0-1469334748-1123117147=:71525-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 4 01:02:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D8F33BF23; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 01:02:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00db01c59890$3aa56e80$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Bwoo Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:02:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 01:02:44 +0000 (UTC) I saw Matt Davignon's last live performance at the 2nd Sundays series in SC. It was really great. He is so deserving of this accolade. You know, this list populated by people notorious for rarely buying each other's CDs. I've talked to a lot of the top loopers who have commercial releases out and they've all mentioned the same thing. Let's support our own. Please buy Bwoo. It's a beautiful release. Up there with anything. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 4 01:09:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 548A93BF22; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 01:09:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopersdelight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cR2tILuD7f0AlwZiofz+L1klotN3bqEadTw6+2hNxwGjZFxvp8oWLP9ovghfXgPCIm0d8mpJcpRwIbv/ucdjYJmpLgHOw2XQziMcpB2h5XZ4c7dMuI5mq8usEm4v4QaJ5QHDeHtZYEWss6xYqtbwAEKYSycviu/VP/HpqrNjePI= ; Message-ID: <20050804010950.71571.qmail@web32509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 18:09:50 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: pedal abuse (was sitar) To: Loopers-Delight@loopersdelight.com In-Reply-To: <64b81a7805080315027a042a04@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1300686458-1123117790=:71336" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 01:09:52 +0000 (UTC) --0-1300686458-1123117790=:71336 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit reminds me of how i used to use a knife to keep keys engaged on my old sy55 Todd Pafford wrote:I have an non-working Boss FV5 and a non-working Ibanez TS9 propping my PA speakers up so they sit at just the right angle. Also, lately I've been using another TS9 to "latch" my Boomerang's Stack switch ...and here's the tricky part... by sitting the TS9 on top of the switch to hold it down. Very innovative, I know. I've found that the TS9 has a very transparent tone when used in these ways. ;) Probably not the sort of uses you were fishing for, but I had to chime in. :) Todd On 8/3/05, Tim Nelson wrote: > That's exactly how I feel about the Boss Acoustic > Simulator. It *really* doesn't do what it's described > as doing, but if you just think of it as an EQ preset > box with a couple of "other" footswitchable clean > tones in it, it can be useful. > > What other pedals are you guys using for purposes > other than their manufacturers intended? (Musical > purposes, I mean...) > > -t- > > --- burnett@pobox.com wrote: > > Back to last night's discussion on this topic: I > > have and use a Danelectro > > Sitar Swami. It doesn't sound much like a sitar to > > me and I consider it > > to be a massive error in advertising, but I do like > > it at times. I use it > > sparingly and almost never by itself, though. > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail for Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail > > -- ~~calenlas~~ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1300686458-1123117790=:71336 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
reminds me of how i used to use a knife to keep keys engaged on my old sy55

Todd Pafford <calenlas@gmail.com> wrote:
I have an non-working Boss FV5 and a non-working Ibanez TS9 propping
my PA speakers up so they sit at just the right angle. Also, lately
I've been using another TS9 to "latch" my Boomerang's Stack switch
...and here's the tricky part... by sitting the TS9 on top of the
switch to hold it down. Very innovative, I know. I've found that the
TS9 has a very transparent tone when used in these ways. ;)

Probably not the sort of uses you were fishing for, but I had to chime in. :)

Todd

On 8/3/05, Tim Nelson wrote:
> That's exactly how I feel about the Boss Acoustic
> Simulator. It *really* doesn't do what it's described
> as doing, but if you just think of it as an EQ preset
> box with a couple of "other" footswitchable clean
> tones in it, it can be useful.
>
> What other pedals are you guys using for purposes
> other than their manufacturers intended? (Musical
> purposes, I mean...)
>
> -t-
>
> --- burnett@pobox.com wrote:
> > Back to last night's discussion on this topic: I
> > have and use a Danelectro
> > Sitar Swami. It doesn't sound much like a sitar to
> > me and I consider it
> > to be a massive error in advertising, but I do like
> > it at times. I use it
> > sparingly and almost never by itself, though.
>
>
>
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Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-1783235854-1123118588=:23335-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 4 01:25:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACB203BF1E; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 01:25:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000b01c59894$98394900$1f03d00c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <20050804012309.24163.qmail@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: the last question Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 20:34:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 01:25:52 +0000 (UTC) Q. Can entropy be reversed? A. THERE IS AS YET INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR A MEANINGFUL ANSWER. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "daniel stevenson" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 8:23 PM Subject: the last question > what was the question asimov's computer ask,did it have something to do with reality and perception?human evolution into a cosmic entity without physical state of being?im going to have to go to the library... > > > --------------------------------- > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 4 02:00:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A5693BF02; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 02:00:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050804012309.24163.qmail@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050804012309.24163.qmail@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 21:00:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: the last question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 02:00:12 +0000 (UTC) At 6:23 PM -0700 8/3/05, daniel stevenson wrote: > >what was the question asimov's computer ask, "Would you like anchovies with that...?" --m. -- _______ "Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 4 02:52:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1396D3BF23; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 02:52:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RxWMYdl/EWgdbySpMNCwQ9SGUkJykMzkJe4iv9vFm1nL+DVJynruPr8qRuFnarcfccBer9nFIb768ZIgdm75ngJV2PzD7IwEv1lqDo93sVb/cwXh6tOG/PchGz0AvUECrJye0qnJNgJbd21FR3S+xsNrPeEJsDILndyG7k4qRTk= ; Message-ID: <20050804025206.10099.qmail@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:52:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Monica Subject: Re: The Ultimate Sitar Guitar To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000101c59880$cb52e350$0200000a@remwavesnet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-271803680-1123123926=:99489" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 02:52:09 +0000 (UTC) --0-271803680-1123123926=:99489 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit That model is an Eyb and their sitar-guitars are well-respected. I think the fusion of sitar and guitar is equally interesting. Also cool are electric ouds. You don't want to play ragas all the time do you? "Torstein H. Rem" wrote: That guitar looks like something for a new indian Elvis. I have a sarod and nothing comes close to a real instrument but for some lofi sitarlike sounds I use a Jawari pedal. Eyb makes a sitar bridge and tailpiece for installing on el guitars. http://www.eyb-guitars.de/english/etc/zubehoer.htm T. ----- Original Message ----- From: Krispen Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:20 PM Subject: RE: The Ultimate Sitar Guitar That is a most bizarre looking guitar...I think I'd rather play my actual sitar than buy that crazy looking thing. :) -----Original Message----- From: Monica [mailto:coolintensity@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 12:26 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: The Ultimate Sitar Guitar http://www.guitarmaniacs.de/html/users/teflon/teflon-gitarre-eyb.shtml (Scroll down to center of page.) Monica Asgard Guitars "guitar technology for the new emerging edge..." coolintensity@yahoo.com coolintensity1@aol.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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That model is an Eyb and their sitar-guitars are well-respected. I think the fusion
of sitar and guitar is equally interesting. Also cool are electric ouds.
You don't want to play ragas all the time do you?

"Torstein H. Rem" <trem@broadpark.no> wrote:
 
That guitar looks like something for a new indian Elvis.
 
 
I have a sarod and nothing comes close to a real instrument
but for some lofi sitarlike sounds I use a Jawari pedal.
 
Eyb makes a sitar bridge and tailpiece for installing on el guitars.
 
T.
 
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That is a most bizarre looking guitar...I think I'd rather play my actual sitar than buy that crazy looking thing. :)
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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-271803680-1123123926=:99489-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 4 03:00:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9842D3BF23; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 03:00:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4520.24.92.72.91.1123124449.squirrel@webmail3.pair.com> In-Reply-To: <20050804005907.72498.qmail@web50801.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050804005907.72498.qmail@web50801.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 23:00:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman Pedal Input Jack From: gary@friendlyspider.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <7ro8tC.A.4kF.iTY8CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 03:00:51 +0000 (UTC) My new Jamman just arrived yesterday. Do you know how that footswitch is wired..? Tip & ground, ring & ground, tip & ring ? I've got a footswitch that came with a Kittyhawk tube preamp that might fit the bill... Have you figured out the XML text in that file you can transfer to your computer ? There's a number for tempo, but I don't know what it is saying. Supposedly the Jamman rounds to the nearest beat per min. when you tap the tempo. But I'd also like to preset some rhythm loops on the computer and enter in the correct tempo to start with. I'll also be taking mine apart (hate those hex screws) to find out if the rhythm pot is analog and if I can tap it in order to run the rhythm out to a separate monitor. This is my major gripe with the unit, other than it not being able to save an overdub as a separate entity not merged with the original phrase. But the looping is very seemless and it sounds good. Gary > Just an FYI: I have an older Digitech 3 button footswitch (rather than the > new one they're hawking) that I bought to use with a GNX3 a while back. I > was able to use this switch with the Jamman to change loops up or down. > Saved me a few bucks. > Regards, Wind From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 4 05:57:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A9C43BF23; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 05:57:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=4kaATIx4pHdQ7fjO9VmeDWyYVRT5Ruo7YM+I5c+RuIGhxfgcgNq78Gi6K8sCvgpurIEt6pTajR9xKUh3CopKCIvtal2AboLFxYHWxpEAj8iz9lYuGb0wV58q6stXrPkSiTcSYsmiJjWlVP6QGqwBfIShF1Fu0ybj0YXfAbjbAi4= ; Message-ID: <20050804055700.58567.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 22:57:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: pedal abuse (was sitar) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <080320052351.8545.42F15865000E7D4A0000216121979128029B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 05:57:01 +0000 (UTC) hmm...this also looks interesting... http://www.digitech.com/products/HendrixPedal/Hendrix.htm --- mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > > > > > What other pedals are you guys using for purposes > > other than their manufacturers intended? (Musical > > purposes, I mean...) > > > > -t- > > I've been playing around with feedback generating > devices again in the > last couple of weeks. Years ago I built a system to > generate feedback which > was very similar to the Sustainiac: > > > > A few weeks ago I was making an mp3 for my sister > for her birthday ("Happy > Birthday" as played by Hendrix at Woodstock) and > that got me interested in > this again. So now I'm buying some of those cheap > Danelectro mini pedals > so I can hack them up and combine them into an > improved feedback system. > > When I was playing around with the stuff recently, I > tried running the > guitar sound through Reaktor before it went back to > the feedback transducer. > I figured out that if you add a short time delay to > the signal, you can > get the feedback to jump to a different note. It's > like what happens when > you use a phase reverse switch on the guitar > pickups, except you can control > it better. Reaktor is the best way to do it, but > since I don't currently > have a way to use Reaktor live, I'm thinking of > making a little pedalboard > with Dano pedals. For the short delay I plan on > hacking a Hash Browns Flanger > so that it only outputs delayed signal and the delay > can be controlled with > a pedal (instead of the normal LFO). I'm hoping I > can mount the guts of > the flanger inside a Dunlop volume pedal and have a > pedal-controlled delay. > > I think that classifies as not using it the way it > was intended...also > I bought one of their micro-amp pedals which I plan > to hack so that the > signal output is actually an external speaker > output. This will drive > the feedback transducer. I'm adding a regular echo > pedal (PB&J delay) > so that I can get the wonderful screeching sound > that results from running > the feedbacking signal through a delay BEFORE the > distortion in the audible > signal chain. This sounds wonderfully psychotic. The > whole system will > look something like this: > > Guitar---->Compressor > --+--->Echo-->Distortion->other FX--> Audible output > | > v > Distortion > | > v > Pedal-controlled short delay > | > v > EQ (low end rolled off to > prevent wolfing) > | > v > Micro amp > | > Transducer<-----+ > > I'll let you know how it turns out. > > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 4 06:00:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2D0D3BF29; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 06:00:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <44DDB650-2699-4986-ACF2-53F2536A8C21@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Electrix Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 00:57:31 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 06:00:06 +0000 (UTC) I just checked out the Electrix home page, and it looks like they edited the page today. They are now saying Electrix products will be available in stores "early next year". Make of it what you will, I suppose! Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 4 06:05:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16F6A3BF33; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 06:05:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Gi15TMtvT8C09ANXLNH6AOgxdPvc0Ec3j0EI4nvwEnNQW38+Lye7+ZkXKGtN9Y1OSZtVi0oEY9axOHL7hNXxtolEA42jC2tcjU7bI0WXjOKhff6m0J+8uKDVtiWBdyP/wkc2Mn66fKEGK4udCIk3AxnNL88GoHq5WEHB8WVPymU= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 23:05:12 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Electrix In-Reply-To: <44DDB650-2699-4986-ACF2-53F2536A8C21@midway.uchicago.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <44DDB650-2699-4986-ACF2-53F2536A8C21@midway.uchicago.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <8kR6ED.A.LBC.aAb8CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 06:05:15 +0000 (UTC) Respect for company tradition, that's what I'm seeing. TH On 8/3/05, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > I just checked out the Electrix home page, and it looks like they > edited the page today. They are now saying Electrix products will be > available in stores "early next year". >=20 > Make of it what you will, I suppose! >=20 > Jeff >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 4 06:05:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D99B53BF3E; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 06:05:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UIxTFlnCD9nZd+Aa0pWEWu2ACwwLvnfNq4oZ4n48Oy//A6GcedIML88bABnqDFji+sXFP52iPEJ7eHBNcLLAyELg8wUbmAmB0KKnHT/J+FtHiR7QVtYYULuGs8Hp7AbIk9Lrg7SCqPlKOUv1xaClNgO5zIi5+QJSUIdTTVIXK1U= ; Message-ID: <20050804060515.35946.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 23:05:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT: More OT - Diapers.............arrrrrrgggggggghhhh!!!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <42F102AE.9090402@post.cybercity.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 06:05:17 +0000 (UTC) jesus u guys are gettin out of line shame on me that i started the velcro thread;-)! --- Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > There was a recent study that showed that modern > disposable diapers to > be as bio-friendly as... urgh...re-usables... Unless > you of course want > to handwash them without soap! Hehe.Hoorah for the > advances in > bio-degradability! Hoorah! > > Andreas. > > Tim Nelson wrote: > > >And it gets even worse from there, Rick; Stanley > >Mason's big claim to fame was as the inventor of > the > >form-fitting, taped-closure disposable diaper. You > >know, the kind that give ecologically-conscious > >Californians such as yerself conniptions. :P > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 4 07:57:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA8F63BF3A; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 07:57:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 00:57:46 -0800 Subject: Re: pedal abuse (was sitar) From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050804055700.58567.qmail@web52813.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 07:57:16 +0000 (UTC) L.Angulo writ: > hmm...this also looks interesting... > http://www.digitech.com/products/HendrixPedal/Hendrix.htm > > hey i was one of these JIMI pedals-makes a great doorstop! also good for using as a paperweight... s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 4 08:22:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A96D3BF3A; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 08:22:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: pedal abuse (was sitar) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 01:22:38 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 08:22:39 +0000 (UTC) Ditto with the crossroads pedal, what were they thinking? profit margin, thats what. Bill -----Original Message----- From: stanitarium@earthlink.net [mailto:stanitarium@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 1:58 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pedal abuse (was sitar) L.Angulo writ: > hmm...this also looks interesting... > http://www.digitech.com/products/HendrixPedal/Hendrix.htm > > hey i was one of these JIMI pedals-makes a great doorstop! also good for using as a paperweight... s From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 4 10:33:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C4783BF40; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 10:33:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42F1EEBE.9060404@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 06:32:30 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AIMusic Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 10:33:13 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 4 14:50:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79D043BF4D; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:50:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <13A95D73-04F7-11DA-A0AC-000A95E567E4@gis.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Paul Sullivan Subject: gig spam (loop oriented): This Saturday Lambic duo @ the Waterfront Ale House, Brooklyn NY Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 10:50:19 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-ELNK-Trace: 2cf92e4390c98b9b1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7941e0f8f706e661690a542cb617806eb1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.215.142.63 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 14:50:21 +0000 (UTC) That's right, the celebrated improvising rock/jazz/electronic/whatever band is doing their first Brooklyn club date this Saturday, August 6th, from 11pm to 2am. PLEASE come out, it should be a great show at a great place with great food (before 11pm) and an awesome beer lineup (Lambic is all about the beer)! Also, there is NO COVER CHARGE. Much loopage: looping tools include 2 boomerangs, dl-4, pds-8000. headrush... Lambic is: Paul Sullivan--guitars and effects Stephen Moses--drums, trombone and effects The Waterfront Ale House 155 Atlantic Ave (between Henry and Clinton), Brooklyn, NY 718 522-3794 To get to the Waterfront Ale House: F train to Bergen St--walk 3 blocks north to Atlantic Ave, then left (west) on atlantic 1 1/2 blocks OR R train to Court Street, walk south to Atlantic Avenue , take a right and walk 1 1/2 blocks west. OR 2,3 4,5 train to Borough Hall, exit at Court Street, walk approx. 5 blocks south on Court to Atlantic ave. Take a right on Atlantic Ave and walk 1 1/2 blocks west. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 4 15:43:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C8713BF5A; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:43:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: Subject: RE: pedal abuse (was sitar) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:48:37 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000201c5990b$faa207e0$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:43:20 +0000 (UTC) > L.Angulo writ: > > > hmm...this also looks interesting... > > http://www.digitech.com/products/HendrixPedal/Hendrix.htm > > > > hey i was one of these JIMI pedals-makes a great doorstop! > also good for using as a paperweight... > s I wonder how they burn...? Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 4 16:48:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41E283BF63; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:48:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IzBF2fRzBFW0olubMPcezgEKRejjrRN+s6vRzeAXQo3pSXITkl2SHBU6SnBsgX51870XIs3S65m/wWR+q2i9HgCHRi6k/9y25FrkqiDmbiYB2t1zoSxUXAF8UUTm5iEuv3YN3ZYeTdAD6Zyjboa84Nn99hrPJenTLwp3cha83Q8= ; Message-ID: <20050804164835.7162.qmail@web81303.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:48:35 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Electrix To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 16:48:55 +0000 (UTC) Yes, release date + 1 solar year is how it works. --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > Respect for company tradition, that's what I'm > seeing. > > TH > > On 8/3/05, Jeff Shirkey > wrote: > > I just checked out the Electrix home page, and it > looks like they > > edited the page today. They are now saying > Electrix products will be > > available in stores "early next year". > > > > Make of it what you will, I suppose! > > > > Jeff > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 4 17:44:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32AFD3BF6A; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 17:44:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20050803211418.77538.qmail@web50009.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050803211418.77538.qmail@web50009.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-988856253 Message-Id: <88dae874b79271c3f1d88235096e63de@telia.com> From: Brakophonic Subject: Re: Sitars Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:44:20 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 17:44:26 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-988856253 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed the Vg-88 sitar patch + a fretless guitar http://www.unfretted.com/loader.php?LINK=movies scroll down to middle of the page Gunnar Backman Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics E-mail brakophonic@telia.com http://www.brakophonic.com 2005-08-03 kl. 23.14 skrev Marc Marshall: > I have a Roland Handsonic percussion module. > It has sitars and LOTS of percussion on it. > Built in sequencer. > WAY COOL. > you can loop anything in it to your hearts content. > 11 pressure sensitive pads for live playing. > DID I SAY IT WAS WAY COOL??? > stereo outs. > way cool etc................................. > > mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: >> I've already posted on here about this, but it's been a couple of >> years, so >> I'll post again. I have a couple of pages up about my loop-modified >> Jerry Jones electric sitar: >> >> >> >> >> I did the mod long before I had an RC-20 or an Echoplex. If you have >> an >> actual looper like that, the mod is unnecessary. I've played around >> with >> loading tabla drum loops into an RC-20 and playing the sitar along >> with >> it, that sounded pretty cool. The loops were from some cassettes of >> tabla loops from the Batish Institute, kind of an Indian Jamey >> Aebersold tape. >> >> The Line 6 Variax has a really nice electric sitar emulation. Unlike >> on >> a real electric sitar, the sympathetic strings actually sympathize! >> There's >> a knob to control the volume of the symp strings. >> >> I think I heard the VG-88 has a sitar imitation, but I don't know if >> it's >> any good. >> >> Mark Smart >> http://www.marksmart.net >> > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com --Apple-Mail-1-988856253 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII the Vg-88 sitar patch + a fretless guitar http://www.unfretted.com/loader.php?LINK=movies scroll down to middle of the page Gunnar Backman Brak(E)man Prod/Brakophonics E-mail brakophonic@telia.com http://www.brakophonic.com 2005-08-03 kl. 23.14 skrev Marc Marshall: I have a Roland Handsonic percussion module. It has sitars and LOTS of percussion on it. Built in sequencer. WAY COOL. you can loop anything in it to your hearts content. 11 pressure sensitive pads for live playing. DID I SAY IT WAS WAY COOL??? stereo outs. way cool etc................................. Helveticamwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: I've already posted on here about this, but it's been a couple of years, so I'll post again. I have a couple of pages up about my loop-modified Jerry Jones electric sitar: I did the mod long before I had an RC-20 or an Echoplex. If you have an actual looper like that, the mod is unnecessary. I've played around with loading tabla drum loops into an RC-20 and playing the sitar along with it, that sounded pretty cool. The loops were from some cassettes of tabla loops from the Batish Institute, kind of an Indian Jamey Aebersold tape. The Line 6 Variax has a really nice electric sitar emulation. Unlike on a real electric sitar, the sympathetic strings actually sympathize! There's a knob to control the volume of the symp strings. I think I heard the VG-88 has a sitar imitation, but I don't know if it's any good. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --Apple-Mail-1-988856253-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 4 18:36:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12A973BF50; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 18:36:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=dKm7PIQop0ywJlGYQzurs5McjyCv9vA45FxZlSn3+nirSLklK7+H9AUE7lkjBrKOX5UnaHxTFEJiLkinqo0ApligaitCOvZTetEVKgAKTnInaODM+327f1UwH+5CS9/2FiKVibpNCzKV3cI7id0gQIZ8amJFmngXSN5yG5LnYek= ; Message-ID: <20050804183600.83067.qmail@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:36:00 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: OT: More OT - Diapers.............arrrrrrgggggggghhhh!!!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050804060515.35946.qmail@web52805.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1883038015-1123180560=:81123" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 18:36:11 +0000 (UTC) --0-1883038015-1123180560=:81123 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ,olleh do they make velcro threads?a 360 string of velcro that is pulled though a tube?instead of strip on strip design? . yranoisiv yracs "L. Angulo" wrote:jesus u guys are gettin out of line shame on me that i started the velcro thread;-)! --- Andreas Wetterberg wrote: > There was a recent study that showed that modern > disposable diapers to > be as bio-friendly as... urgh...re-usables... Unless > you of course want > to handwash them without soap! Hehe.Hoorah for the > advances in > bio-degradability! Hoorah! > > Andreas. > > Tim Nelson wrote: > > >And it gets even worse from there, Rick; Stanley > >Mason's big claim to fame was as the inventor of > the > >form-fitting, taped-closure disposable diaper. You > >know, the kind that give ecologically-conscious > >Californians such as yerself conniptions. :P > > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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,olleh  do they make velcro threads?a 360 string of velcro that is pulled though a tube?instead of  strip on strip design?     . yranoisiv yracs

"L. Angulo" <labalou2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
jesus u guys are gettin out of line shame on me that i
started the velcro thread;-)!

--- Andreas Wetterberg
wrote:

> There was a recent study that showed that modern
> disposable diapers to
> be as bio-friendly as... urgh...re-usables... Unless
> you of course want
> to handwash them without soap! Hehe.Hoorah for the
> advances in
> bio-degradability! Hoorah!
>
> Andreas.
>
> Tim Nelson wrote:
>
> >And it gets even worse from there, Rick; Stanley
> >Mason's big claim to fame was as the inventor of
> the
> >form-fitting, taped-closure disposable diaper. You
> >know, the kind that give ecologically-conscious
> >Californians such as yerself conniptions. :P
> >
> >
>
>


www.luis-angulo.com

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Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-1883038015-1123180560=:81123-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 4 18:50:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 344D93BF59; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 18:50:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=M3Q9hVuzP/R4ZXTWiYLUJsDQoWFHUPgw+zccwv0y5Lrt28/VHdvrEx9/nYDwdJzrtWPHeacrC8hj2WI1BETovtDwzXuIOeYrhLNsTa8aPdQCJhSKOnubdPPFxxNpz5U/RuXwTzFp7XUn8pFXTreYUb7/tDuk2n/lLDruDZxevFg= ; Message-ID: <20050804185042.35521.qmail@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:50:42 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <42F1EEBE.9060404@soundscapes.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-461570278-1123181442=:34208" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 18:50:44 +0000 (UTC) --0-461570278-1123181442=:34208 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hello,are the formats of afterglow/galactic travels like that of echoes with that guy john dill a bear toe?ill hear for myself but i just like saying diliberto.say it... its fun diliberto...diliberto... oops the beatlejuice paradox===zaphod breeblebrox...give a good dog a bone... scary visionaryyranoisiv Bill Fox wrote:AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ================================================================================ Tonight on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long Special Focus on the Klaus Schulze Deluxe Edition reissues. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Body Love" on the InsideOut Music label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Ambient 3" by Laraaji on Editions ED Records and released in 1980. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#aug Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and on the internet at http://wdiy.org . All times are EDT or GMT-4. --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-461570278-1123181442=:34208 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
hello,are the formats of afterglow/galactic travels like that of echoes with that guy john dill a bear toe?ill hear for myself but i just like saying diliberto.say it... its fun diliberto...diliberto...
oops the beatlejuice paradox===zaphod breeblebrox...give a good dog a bone...   scary visionaryyranoisiv
Bill Fox <billyfox@soundscapes.us> wrote:
AFTERGLOW ON WMUH:
http://soundscapes.us/afterglow
================================================================================
Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in
for a
delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of
Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at:
http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh


GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY:
http://wdiy.org/programs/gt
================================================================================
Tonight on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long Special Focus on
the Klaus
Schulze Deluxe Edition reissues. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Body
Love" on the InsideOut Music label. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP
"Ambient 3" by Laraaji on Editions ED Records and released in 1980. For
details, see the Special Focus page at:
http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#aug

Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that
airs each
Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM
in Easton
and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service
Electric Cable, and on the internet at http://wdiy.org .

All times are EDT or GMT-4.

Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-461570278-1123181442=:34208-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 4 18:52:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 113CD3BF71; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 18:52:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CQTdEms6hBuG7WbgeHF3h5zVfVb21wxRJzC6AVn2hnCaoxrTB1ssZ23meVgs8Rfgxj1HQ5AnjzbPAXX6g1Tl3T3fgUXjBLaoTSdQ2yJDeB3lxzqfnADCk5RzCIzuWuHUWItJNQF0hIt2hwE1ZCT4ftVhcrLO2y7oOCa9Vw8A6wE= ; Message-ID: <20050804185252.35891.qmail@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 11:52:52 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: gig spam (loop oriented): This Saturday Lambic duo @ the Waterfront Ale House, Brooklyn NY To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <13A95D73-04F7-11DA-A0AC-000A95E567E4@gis.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1518718282-1123181572=:35633" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 18:52:53 +0000 (UTC) --0-1518718282-1123181572=:35633 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit what?no cemetery in your directions? sheesh....lol Paul Sullivan wrote:That's right, the celebrated improvising rock/jazz/electronic/whatever band is doing their first Brooklyn club date this Saturday, August 6th, from 11pm to 2am. PLEASE come out, it should be a great show at a great place with great food (before 11pm) and an awesome beer lineup (Lambic is all about the beer)! Also, there is NO COVER CHARGE. Much loopage: looping tools include 2 boomerangs, dl-4, pds-8000. headrush... Lambic is: Paul Sullivan--guitars and effects Stephen Moses--drums, trombone and effects The Waterfront Ale House 155 Atlantic Ave (between Henry and Clinton), Brooklyn, NY 718 522-3794 To get to the Waterfront Ale House: F train to Bergen St--walk 3 blocks north to Atlantic Ave, then left (west) on atlantic 1 1/2 blocks OR R train to Court Street, walk south to Atlantic Avenue , take a right and walk 1 1/2 blocks west. OR 2,3 4,5 train to Borough Hall, exit at Court Street, walk approx. 5 blocks south on Court to Atlantic ave. Take a right on Atlantic Ave and walk 1 1/2 blocks west. --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-1518718282-1123181572=:35633 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
what?no cemetery in your directions? sheesh....lol

Paul Sullivan <paulsull@gis.net> wrote:
That's right, the celebrated improvising rock/jazz/electronic/whatever
band is doing their first Brooklyn club date this Saturday, August 6th,
from 11pm to 2am. PLEASE come out, it should be a great show at a great
place with great food (before 11pm) and an awesome beer lineup (Lambic
is all about the beer)! Also, there is NO COVER CHARGE. Much loopage:
looping tools include 2 boomerangs, dl-4, pds-8000. headrush...

Lambic is:

Paul Sullivan--guitars and effects

Stephen Moses--drums, trombone and effects

The Waterfront Ale House
155 Atlantic Ave (between Henry and Clinton), Brooklyn, NY
718 522-3794

To get to the Waterfront Ale House:

F train to Bergen St--walk 3 blocks north to Atlantic Ave, then left
(west) on atlantic 1 1/2 blocks OR
R train to Court Street, walk south to Atlantic Avenue , take a right
and walk 1 1/2 blocks west.
OR
2,3 4,5 train to Borough Hall, exit at Court Street, walk approx. 5
blocks south on Court to Atlantic ave. Take a right on Atlantic Ave and
walk 1 1/2 blocks west.




Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-1518718282-1123181572=:35633-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 4 22:42:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F4543BF64; Thu, 4 Aug 2005 22:42:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PqKLgXFPD+XWFBPbyAOoIJVWDQZxMfPEYAqjlOWm/gZvSN0whSlHIq+aslmvfWCpI5FPaUFwZW873TsyCa0lxbAcTlFvT+xlS6SrTjSQbH1Sk7cJv67htrN9jq5hhmtkkaxB3xoEouhbJ4fAqudYbe5/Mu4FHlEAG2LARluJlrA= ; Message-ID: <20050804224247.11368.qmail@web30510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 15:42:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Philadelphia Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8a1d8fb0533cdb57f6b885e76e8b72fc@telia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 22:42:48 +0000 (UTC) I'll be recording/visiting in the Philadelphia, PA area next month, and have some as-yet unscheduled free time on the evenings of the 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th. If anyone's gigging on any of those nights, I'd be up for opening, playing between sets, sitting in, whatever. If yer interested, contact me off list at psychle62@yahoo.com. -t- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 5 00:51:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 586B73BF4C; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 00:51:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=f3b+FLGJPFq7GM2QyThmGFAXucP7kVVKdGx+IavlcsDkuRQoHE9ZkpXXICfhPKsrrxnwmcv/p2lz0p3gfElCia364zyE0H1x/p4gWgFiGlnnf/dE+fZaZ/ZlrAxGKK8+LbJlkY5i0DgK/KkmHzYUQRqAcDZ6ZgDJBDQHxN2iWf4= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 20:51:42 -0400 From: magicicada Reply-To: magicicada To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: rest in peace, mr. zvonar In-Reply-To: <20050804224247.11368.qmail@web30510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <8a1d8fb0533cdb57f6b885e76e8b72fc@telia.com> <20050804224247.11368.qmail@web30510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 00:51:48 +0000 (UTC) reposted from a local list i am on: richard zvonar was a composer, an active community member out here in =20 Los Angeles, and presented his work in atlanta as park of the EAAA's =20 Meet the Artist v.1.0 (http://plus1plus1plus.org/projects/02.01.EAAA/=20 events/EAAA.Abstracts1.php#may02). due to my studies just north of =20 the city, i only had the chance to correspond with him a little bit =20 via email since being out west, but he was very welcoming and invited =20 me to get involved. some of you may recall his presentation from =20 three or four years ago when he was stopping through atlanta; his =20 work ran the performative gamut: from flute players on roller skates =20 to intermedia theatre with text and image projections (sometimes =20 incorporating quotes from the infamous judge schreber i think) to =20 performers stretching analog tape the length of the stage, and more. =20 i'm sure there was much much more than that. some of it, i believe, =20 is documented on his website, http://zvonar.com a Message: 2 Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:35:03 -0700 From: Alex Shapiro Subject: Richard Zvonar I forward to my ACF-LA colleagues an email that Pam Goldsmith just sent: "Dear friends, Richard Zvonar has gone. He went peacefully and I appreciate all your fine responses to my previous message. He did not want a service or memorial, and he will be cremated. In lieu of flowers, the family requests that memorial contributions be made to California Peace Action, 5898 Blackwelder Street, 2nd Flr., Culver City, CA 90232." As I stated in a previous email last week, Richard was an extraordinary gift to many of us at ACF-LA since the chapter's inception five years ago. His devoted efforts brought us countless workshops, seminars and interviews with some of the most fascinating people in music, on both the technical and the creative sides of our shared world. Without him, ACF-LA would not have flourished and would have lacked the diversity of programs and participants that have become synonymous with Richard's name. His generosity and his forward-thinking vision were truly remarkable, and he will be missed. Alex From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 5 01:06:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 515443BF28; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 01:06:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42F2BB99.6090307@biink.com> Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 21:06:33 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: rest in peace, mr. zvonar References: <8a1d8fb0533cdb57f6b885e76e8b72fc@telia.com> <20050804224247.11368.qmail@web30510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 01:06:28 +0000 (UTC) magicicada wrote: > Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:35:03 -0700 > From: Alex Shapiro >Subject: Richard Zvonar > >I forward to my ACF-LA colleagues an email that Pam Goldsmith just sent: > >"Dear friends, Richard Zvonar has gone. > That's a shame, he posted some real interesting material. When I played the 2002 WOOT Festival, Highland Grounds, Hollywood, Ca. May 4, 2002, he was the only person from this list who showed up. RIP RZ. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 5 02:22:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7C923BF48; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 02:22:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: Dr Zvonar Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:22:29 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C59929.DA9E8D60" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20050804012309.24163.qmail@web32505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 02:22:33 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C59929.DA9E8D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm very saddened to hear of the passing of Richard Zvonar. as many of you know he was a generous and esteemed contributor to this web site and the world of electronic music, as a performer/composer/educator/designer. I feel fortunate to have gotten to know Dr Z a little bit better in the last couple of years, both from his always insightful LD comments, and from encounters at various Looping events on the West Coast. He was the first person ( of several, I'm grateful to say) to come to my defense when Larry Cooperman was flaming me a few months back, going so far as to spar with Larry off list. We had some funny e-mail exchanges about that one. I miss Dr Z already and I know I'll feel the void when He isn't at the breakfast table following the next Santa Cruz Loopfest, as he has been the last three years. I hope were ever you are Richard, there is a giant modular synthesizer (and a wall of outboard DSPs) for you to play with. Ride on Brother Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C59929.DA9E8D60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm=20 very saddened to hear of the passing of Richard Zvonar. as many of you = know he=20 was a generous and esteemed  contributor to this web site and the = world of=20 electronic music, as a performer/composer/educator/designer. I feel = fortunate to=20 have gotten to know Dr Z a little bit better in the last couple of = years, both=20 from his always insightful LD comments, and from encounters at=20 various Looping events on the West Coast.  He was the=20 first person ( of several, I'm grateful to say)  to = come=20 to my defense when Larry Cooperman was flaming me  a = few=20 months back, going so far as to spar with Larry off list. We had some = funny=20 e-mail exchanges about that one. I miss Dr Z already and I know I'll = feel the=20 void when He isn't at the breakfast table following the next Santa Cruz=20 Loopfest, as he has been the last three years. I hope were ever you are = Richard,=20 there is a giant modular synthesizer (and a wall of outboard = DSPs) for you=20 to play with.
 Ride on Brother
 
Bill
 
------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C59929.DA9E8D60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 5 02:45:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D92B73BF5B; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 02:45:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 19:45:38 -0800 Subject: Re: rest in peace, mr. zvonar From: To: Loop Folk Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 02:45:09 +0000 (UTC) thats the saddest news i've read in quite a while. what a loss to LoopersDelight and the LoopShows! he had a way w/ words to explain things way beyond my comprehension and i always was sure to thank him for being able to traverse that area between the layman and the electronic higher world... did anyone video those shows he did @ the Loopstock/Y2K's? would love to see those. RIP doc stan > reposted from a local list i am on: > > richard zvonar was a composer, an active community member out here in > Los Angeles, and presented his work in atlanta as park of the EAAA's > Meet the Artist v.1.0 (http://plus1plus1plus.org/projects/02.01.EAAA/ > events/EAAA.Abstracts1.php#may02). due to my studies just north of > the city, i only had the chance to correspond with him a little bit > via email since being out west, but he was very welcoming and invited > me to get involved. some of you may recall his presentation from > three or four years ago when he was stopping through atlanta; his > work ran the performative gamut: from flute players on roller skates > to intermedia theatre with text and image projections (sometimes > incorporating quotes from the infamous judge schreber i think) to > performers stretching analog tape the length of the stage, and more. > i'm sure there was much much more than that. some of it, i believe, > is documented on his website, http://zvonar.com > a > > > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:35:03 -0700 > From: Alex Shapiro > Subject: Richard Zvonar > > I forward to my ACF-LA colleagues an email that Pam Goldsmith just sent: > > "Dear friends, Richard Zvonar has gone. He went peacefully and I > appreciate all your fine responses to my previous message. He did not > want a service or memorial, and he will be cremated. In lieu of > flowers, the family requests that memorial contributions be made to > California Peace Action, 5898 Blackwelder Street, 2nd Flr., Culver > City, CA 90232." > > As I stated in a previous email last week, Richard was an extraordinary > gift to many of us at ACF-LA since the chapter's inception five years > ago. His devoted efforts brought us countless workshops, seminars and > interviews with some of the most fascinating people in music, on both > the technical and the creative sides of our shared world. Without him, > ACF-LA would not have flourished and would have lacked the diversity of > programs and participants that have become synonymous with Richard's > name. His generosity and his forward-thinking vision were truly > remarkable, and he will be missed. > > Alex > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 5 02:46:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A96253BF5B; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 02:46:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000501c59967$e0600ec0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Dr. Richard Zvonar, RIP Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 19:46:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 02:46:27 +0000 (UTC) My brother just brought me the very sad news that one of our best and brightest, Richard Zvonar, Phd. just passed on. For years, and amongst many, many other things too numerous to mention, Richard has held up the standards of researching at this website. He performed at looping festivals; gave detailed lectures on the history of looping and I always looked forward to his stimulating and always incredibly well informed and intelligent analysis at ever loopers luncheon or breakfast from NAMM to the live loop festivals. He has always been someone that I could run a probem by...........someone to double check my facts against. If anyone had a problem on the list, more likely than not, Richard would quickly write in with several URLS that he had generously researched. If there has ever been and authority about anything in this community, he was one. I did my first gig with Dr. Zvonar with my then electronic music teacher, Bob Beede (one of Richard's lifetime friends) in 1982. It was my very first exposure to the world of academic avante garde electronics and Richard and Bob were my mentors. It was a very heady and exciting time. I remember being initially really intimidated by his formidable intelligence and dry countenance but came to realize that he possessed a wonderful humanity and a gentle spirit. Over the years, I have really been blown away by Richard's generosity of spirit and have considered him one of my good friends. We talked recently of the Y2K5 Festival, and he told me he'd play if he felt well enough to do so. I hope someday to hear him do the solo guitar performance that I know he always wanted to play. I know it will be brilliant. I'm so infinitely sad tonight that he has passed on. We will all miss him greatly. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 5 02:58:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8C053BF68; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 02:58:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: pedal abuse (was sitar) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 22:58:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcWYza21giF9i6a1SDiivlTfACkbtQAmwM/A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Message-ID: <0MKoyl-1E0sPn0ULA-0005aY@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: <9-FoFC.A.hmB.ZXt8CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 02:58:33 +0000 (UTC) Funny, a recent Guitar mag (don't remember which one) raved and raved about these. I wonder if they actually *get* the pedals mailed to them, or just write a 'review' from the ad copy. Which brings up another pet peeve- most published gear reviews are awful. My favorite is always the last sentence- it is some variation of 'if you are looking for a pedal/guitar/whatever like this, you may just want to give this one some consideration.' I always wanted to see a 'gear that sucks' column. Dave Eichenberger- http://www.hazardfactor.com > > hey i was one of these JIMI pedals-makes a great doorstop! > also good for using as a paperweight... > s > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 5 03:15:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 652593BF48; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 03:15:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AUCSQ+ul4yMkvYq41IuzDLP95ppXg337Kml6pX5/ZJGDc99d28jMMN9E2oBo/8Mk0/pfsSTrtXezyafcpXQKT2bRzFFyyjgCK0L8Qg7pwO+rSx1+qZ/niphRI3XKWKQeFKN7O3KKDtgAvoNL+0AOMvFNmqQuqVHQkVugn0lZ/As= Message-ID: <588ce11d0508042015f37a9d6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 20:15:20 -0700 From: Art Simon Reply-To: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Dr. Richard Zvonar, RIP In-Reply-To: <000501c59967$e0600ec0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000501c59967$e0600ec0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 03:15:21 +0000 (UTC) I remember him from Mills in 83. Very talented, erudite and a nice guy. Godspeed! On 8/4/05, loop.pool wrote: > My brother just brought me the very sad news that one of our best and > brightest, > Richard Zvonar, Phd. just passed on. >=20 > For years, and amongst many, many other things too numerous to mention, > Richard has held up the standards of researching at this website. He > performed at looping festivals; gave detailed lectures on the history of > looping > and I always looked forward to his stimulating and always incredibly well > informed and intelligent analysis > at ever loopers luncheon or breakfast from NAMM to the live loop festival= s. > He has always been someone that I could run a probem by...........someone= to > double check my facts against. > If anyone had a problem on the list, more likely than not, Richard would > quickly write in with several URLS that > he had generously researched. If there has ever been and authority ab= out > anything in this community, he was one. >=20 > I did my first gig with Dr. Zvonar with my then electronic music teacher, > Bob Beede (one of Richard's lifetime friends) > in 1982. It was my very first exposure to the world of academic avante > garde electronics and Richard and Bob were > my mentors. It was a very heady and exciting time. I remember being > initially really intimidated by his formidable intelligence and dry > countenance but came to realize that he possessed a wonderful humanity an= d a > gentle spirit. >=20 > Over the years, I have really been blown away by Richard's generosity of > spirit and have considered him one of my good > friends. We talked recently of the Y2K5 Festival, and he told me he= 'd > play if he felt well enough to do so. >=20 > I hope someday to hear him do the solo guitar performance that I know he > always wanted to play. > I know it will be brilliant. >=20 > I'm so infinitely sad tonight that he has passed on. We will all miss = him > greatly. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --=20 Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 5 04:27:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D01D3BF5B; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 04:27:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42F2EAC0.10905@pdq.net> Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 23:27:44 -0500 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: Re: rest in peace, mr. zvonar References: <8a1d8fb0533cdb57f6b885e76e8b72fc@telia.com> <20050804224247.11368.qmail@web30510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 04:27:46 +0000 (UTC) This is so very sad. I never met Richard Zvonar. I only knew him through his contributions here. I came to cherish his posts, his insight, and his deep and seemingly endless knowledge. All the while, a giving teacher. Godspeed, Dr. Z. Doug magicicada wrote: >reposted from a local list i am on: > >richard zvonar was a composer, an active community member out here in >Los Angeles, and presented his work in atlanta as park of the EAAA's >Meet the Artist v.1.0 (http://plus1plus1plus.org/projects/02.01.EAAA/ >events/EAAA.Abstracts1.php#may02). due to my studies just north of >the city, i only had the chance to correspond with him a little bit >via email since being out west, but he was very welcoming and invited >me to get involved. some of you may recall his presentation from >three or four years ago when he was stopping through atlanta; his >work ran the performative gamut: from flute players on roller skates >to intermedia theatre with text and image projections (sometimes >incorporating quotes from the infamous judge schreber i think) to >performers stretching analog tape the length of the stage, and more. >i'm sure there was much much more than that. some of it, i believe, >is documented on his website, http://zvonar.com >a > > > >Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:35:03 -0700 > From: Alex Shapiro >Subject: Richard Zvonar > >I forward to my ACF-LA colleagues an email that Pam Goldsmith just sent: > >"Dear friends, Richard Zvonar has gone. He went peacefully and I >appreciate all your fine responses to my previous message. He did not >want a service or memorial, and he will be cremated. In lieu of >flowers, the family requests that memorial contributions be made to >California Peace Action, 5898 Blackwelder Street, 2nd Flr., Culver >City, CA 90232." > >As I stated in a previous email last week, Richard was an extraordinary >gift to many of us at ACF-LA since the chapter's inception five years >ago. His devoted efforts brought us countless workshops, seminars and >interviews with some of the most fascinating people in music, on both >the technical and the creative sides of our shared world. Without him, >ACF-LA would not have flourished and would have lacked the diversity of >programs and participants that have become synonymous with Richard's >name. His generosity and his forward-thinking vision were truly >remarkable, and he will be missed. > >Alex > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 5 04:55:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B69E3BF5C; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 04:55:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: rest in peace, mr. zvonar Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 21:55:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <42F2EAC0.10905@pdq.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcWZdgk79C1yXo68RXqoDHRqRhK4MwAAlaMQ Message-Id: <20050805045513.QCPK16890.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 04:55:20 +0000 (UTC) I got a chance to meet Richard a dozen times, and see him perform and speak several times as well. He was a learned gent, and although his dry sense of humor enabled him to hide it, a sensitive sort as well. I know he had a good life, doing what he loved--see his website--and probably was most renown for his work with Diamanda Galas. He was something of a homeboy, having graduated from UCSD (think that is where he got his PhD). Sorry to hear of his passing, he wasn't much older than I am--but life is precious, and he made the most of it! A nice guy, and I won't forget him. And like Rick, I would have liked to have heard him loop some gee-tar. Gary Lehmann PS I played at the Mission Bay Hilton today, and met a fellow playing there who is playing tonight (maybe right now!)at the Feng Shui function http://www.fengshuiseminars.com/conferences/speakers/riki_newell.htm He seems to do looping, had a Lexicon Jamman with the Sellon mod. I got to show him what I was doing with the Ztar and Echoplex, had some fun with that. Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 5 07:01:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EB533BF08; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 07:01:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050804232723.0493c150@annihilist.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 00:01:57 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Goodbye, Richard Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 07:01:12 +0000 (UTC) Richard, Thanks so much for spending some of your precious time and energy with us here. You helped make the Looper's Delight community a better place to visit, and we are going to miss you. I've enjoyed our many emails and conversations at NAMM and various loop festivals, and I will remember your wisdom, talent, intellect, generosity, and humor always. In your memory I've created the ultimate Looper's Delight search link for Dr. Richard Zvonar, PhD: http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=zvonar%2Casterion&Search=Search&errors=0&maxfiles=5000&maxlines=0&.cgifields=lineonly&.cgifields=restricttofiles&.cgifields=filelist&.cgifields=partial&.cgifields=case For those of you today, or in the future, who don't know who Richard is, here is your opportunity to find out. Click this link now, do your own research (as Richard would ask), and come back to us with what you've learned. Goodbye Richard, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 5 10:32:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 887AF3BF27; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 10:32:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <6d7411698de0ef61ad3517509b2b1527@suitandtieguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: RIP Richard Zvonar, PHD Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 05:31:58 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 10:32:03 +0000 (UTC) You answered all of my direct emails with the same level of respect and accuracy i would have granted to you. you will be missed here. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 5 11:33:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DBF03BF19; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 11:33:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: Dr. Richard Zvonar, RIP Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 07:38:32 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000301c599b2$352988b0$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0508042015f37a9d6@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 11:33:12 +0000 (UTC) That man sure could Google! What a wonderful, civilized contributor to this list. I didn't know him, but I'll miss him. Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 5 16:44:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAF293BF3F; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:44:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 12:44:31 EDT Subject: Rest and Peace to You Dr. Z To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_db.2b219d1b.3024f16f_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <3LtxkC.A.voC.1d58CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:44:37 +0000 (UTC) --part1_db.2b219d1b.3024f16f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yikes! To many on this list (myself included, certainly) the appearance of a messag= e=20 from=20 zvonar@zvonar.com was always an indication that a particular message (or=20 thread)=20 was seriously worth checking out -- or had suddenly earned my attention if i= t had now somehow merited Richard's. I hate to admit it, but I don't read every message on the LD list. I look at= =20 subjects and=20 the names of the particular posters to help weed out the meat from the muck.= =20 When Dr. Z would post I would always check out what he had to say. It was always=20 informative, erudite and pertinent. And, often I would backtrack through a thread I'd=20 previously=20 skipped to catch up on what I'd missed simply because he had picked it up. My first face-to-face encounter with him was at the first Loopstock in San=20 Luis Obispo. Man, oh man! He could coax more musical noise out of a couple of CD players=20 and an Eventide (or two) than whole armies of guitar-slinging putzes like me. It wa= s=20 stand-up, sit-down jaw-dropping amazing! He made glorious amounts of noise at each=20 appearance at Y2K shows as well. Walking around, chatting with him, or having lunch at NAMMs, or between sets= =20 at Y2K2=20 through Y2K4 and at those looper "brunches" at the Catalyst in Santa Cruz=20 made me=20 really appreciate the man ever so much more. Besides having a gigantic=20 intellect and wide-ranging knowledge and curiosity about things, He had a great sense of=20 humor.=20 He was kind. And, most surprising of all . . . humble. The very idea that we've had our last post from Dr. Richard Zvonar, PhD. is=20 almost too=20 sad to bear. I knew he was sick (and had been for asome time). But his=20 departure comes=20 as such a sudden shock. He's gone.=20 Richard you are . . . and will continue to be . . . missed. May your=20 character and many varied accomplishments earn the praised they deserve and may your passing be much=20 mourned.=20 And, may we also take from it inspiration to seize every oppeortunity life=20 presents us. In the words of the also recently departed Waren Zevon: "Enjoy every=20 sandwich." Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_db.2b219d1b.3024f16f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yikes!

To many on this list (myself included, certainly) the appearance of a messag= e from
zvonar@zvonar.com was always an indication that a particular message (or thr= ead)
was seriously worth checking out -- or had suddenly earned my attention if i= t
had now somehow merited Richard's.

I hate to admit it, but I don't read every message on the LD list. I look at= subjects and
the names of the particular posters to help weed out the meat from the muck.= When
Dr. Z would post I would always check out what he had to say. It was always=20= informative,
erudite and pertinent. And, often I would backtrack through a thread I'd pre= viously
skipped to catch up on what I'd missed simply because he had picked it up.
My first face-to-face encounter with him was at the first Loopstock in San L= uis Obispo.
Man, oh man! He could coax more musical noise out of a couple of CD players=20= and an
Eventide (or two) than whole armies of guitar-slinging putzes like me. It wa= s stand-up,
sit-down jaw-dropping amazing! He made glorious amounts of noise at each app= earance
at Y2K shows as well.

Walking around, chatting with him, or having lunch at NAMMs, or between sets= at Y2K2
through Y2K4 and at those looper "brunches" at the Catalyst in Santa Cruz ma= de me
really appreciate the man ever so much more. Besides having a gigantic intel= lect and
wide-ranging knowledge and curiosity about things, He had a great sense of h= umor.
He was kind. And, most surprising of all . . . humble.

The very idea that we've had our last post from Dr. Richard Zvonar, PhD. is=20= almost too
sad to bear. I knew he was sick (and had been for asome time). But his depar= ture comes
as such a sudden shock. He's gone.

Richard you are . . . and will continue to be . . . missed. May your charact= er and many varied
accomplishments earn the praised they deserve and may your passing be much m= ourned.
And, may we also take from it inspiration to seize every oppeortunity life p= resents us.
In the words of  the also recently departed Waren Zevon: "Enjoy every=20= sandwich."

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_db.2b219d1b.3024f16f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 5 19:52:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 899B43BF59; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 19:52:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yktxsUL+62zMlg74JbF7Btpp2ErsEz0A/RafcalmYr/V3ptZODugUH/aIXQaD+T8I9r8U1N9lm3Lh8OXon2gLDopkDyI29y2cozSlrMPUpPiL1dkzkD5m3p3f/OZbVqHs73GbVWDHX9qvR/N6DZDRzy67BeH5lSccgNCP872JVE= ; Message-ID: <20050805195251.29296.qmail@web30501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 12:52:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RIP Richard Zvonar, PHD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6d7411698de0ef61ad3517509b2b1527@suitandtieguy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <91R16B.A.wX.VO88CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 19:52:53 +0000 (UTC) I only met Dr. Zvonar in person once, about four years ago at the Ought-1 Festival where he was presenting his octophonic piece 'Fricket' (loops of tree frogs and crickets). He'll be missed. -t- ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 5 20:32:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 398153BF6C; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 20:32:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nlgVX+ddfAQxLfZQFU0zIVwlUpFY46xZYXgn6Q4hOX1V0uV28gKblkD2OmvYKWThiC5UvSaMaIl6g76tUIhVaJDvu9VNpiUVDpXIYetULZFnBqAQwL6mPqhHFEwANHOiSMKdEwm+x9q3SEQITPWUNQKoKeRqzyqo0n7lxnPwgS0= ; Message-ID: <20050805203157.13779.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 13:31:57 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: pedal abuse (was sitar) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0MKoyl-1E0sPn0ULA-0005aY@mrelay.perfora.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 20:32:01 +0000 (UTC) Heh, I agree. I find that usually between what you find between magazine reviews and user reviews on Harmony Central lies the truth. I LOVE reading Harmony Central reviews. I always end up finding out more about people than the gear, but it's still fun. Mark --- hazard factor wrote: > Funny, a recent Guitar mag (don't remember which > one) raved and raved about > these. I wonder if they actually *get* the pedals > mailed to them, or just > write a 'review' from the ad copy. Which brings up > another pet peeve- most > published gear reviews are awful. My favorite is > always the last sentence- > it is some variation of 'if you are looking for a > pedal/guitar/whatever like > this, you may just want to give this one some > consideration.' > > I always wanted to see a 'gear that sucks' column. > > Dave Eichenberger- > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > > hey i was one of these JIMI pedals-makes a > great doorstop! > > also good for using as a paperweight... > > s > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 5 20:56:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C96143BF6F; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 20:56:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 13:56:03 -0700 Subject: Re: Dr. Richard Zvonar, RIP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <000501c59967$e0600ec0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Message-Id: <55F9C6E0-05F3-11DA-9D92-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <7WuJwC.A.oDC.nJ98CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 20:56:07 +0000 (UTC) On Thursday, August 4, 2005, at 07:46 PM, loop.pool wrote: > My brother just brought me the very sad news that one of our best and > brightest, > Richard Zvonar, Phd. just passed on. > > This is incredibly sad news. I never met Richard personally, but based on a few (too few) personal emails and his participation in this and other forums, I have great respect for the man. His combination of intelligence, wit and intellectual rigor was all too rare and his contributions will be sorely missed. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 5 22:21:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2A8C3BF63; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 22:21:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <72661FFA-05FB-11DA-A399-000A9583C4E8@venetowest.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: Re: Rest and Peace to You Dr. Z Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 14:54:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: <773ozD.A.ZsE.xZ-8CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 22:21:37 +0000 (UTC) I have known Richard on a personal and professional level for over a decade since we both worked together on the International Computer Music Conference (ICMC95) of which I was a producer and brought Richard in to help with the technical and creative aspects of the concert series. He was a wonderful man on a professional and personal level. My heart is really heavy and the world of creative music is far worse off today without one of its great scholars and champions. Thanks for everything Richard!!!! Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 5 23:14:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C67893BF63; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 23:14:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_serpico.real.com-31253-1123283654-0001-2" Message-Id: <42F3F2CF.0001A3.02152@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:14:23 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <72661FFA-05FB-11DA-A399-000A9583C4E8@venetowest.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rest and Peace to You Dr. Z X-FID: ED0CFE32-10CD-430509702-0C6A43069D41 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 23:14:23 +0000 (UTC) This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_serpico.real.com-31253-1123283654-0001-2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_serpico.real.com-31253-1123283654-0001-3" This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_serpico.real.com-31253-1123283654-0001-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I too am sorry to hear of his passing. I only know Richard from our exchanges on this mail list, but enjoyed his comments. 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My=0D heart is really heavy and the world of creative music is far worse off=0D today without one of its great scholars and champions.=0D =0D Thanks for everything Richard!!!!=0D =0D =0D Ronan Chris Murphy=0D www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes,=0D Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...)=0D www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the=0D art and craft of recording )=0D www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny &=0D Cher)=0D =20 --=_serpico.real.com-31253-1123283654-0001-3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I too am sorry to hear of his passing. I only know Richard from = ;our exchanges on this mail list, but enjoyed his comments. Several = I have retold as party chatter.
 
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Date: 08/05/05 15:= 21:34
Subject: Re: Rest = and Peace to You Dr. Z
 
I have known Richard on a personal and professional level for over a=
decade since we both worked together on the International Computer
Music Conference (ICMC95) of which I was a producer and brought Rich= ard
in to help with the technical and creative aspects of the concert
series. He was a wonderful man on a professional and personal level.= My
heart is really heavy and the world of creative  music is = far worse off
today without one of its great scholars and champions.
 
Thanks for everything Richard!!!!
 
 
Ronan Chris Murphy
www.venetowest.com (Produc= tion & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes,
Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...)
www.homerecordingbo= otcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the
art and craft of recording )
www.livesofthesaints.net= (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny &
Cher)
 
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arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D2723BF4B; Fri, 5 Aug 2005 23:48:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 19:53:06 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: rest in peace, mr. zvonar To: Message-id: <001001c59a18$d3b87160$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <8a1d8fb0533cdb57f6b885e76e8b72fc@telia.com> <20050804224247.11368.qmail@web30510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 23:48:20 +0000 (UTC) I never had the pleasure to meet Dr. Z., but I would always read his postings on this list. He seemed like a thoughful and considerate person with a vast knowledge of musical knowledge. He will surely be missed by many near to him. He wil be mised in this forum too. dk ----- Original Message ----- From: "magicicada" To: Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 8:51 PM Subject: rest in peace, mr. zvonar reposted from a local list i am on: richard zvonar was a composer, an active community member out here in Los Angeles, and presented his work in atlanta as park of the EAAA's Meet the Artist v.1.0 (http://plus1plus1plus.org/projects/02.01.EAAA/ events/EAAA.Abstracts1.php#may02). due to my studies just north of the city, i only had the chance to correspond with him a little bit via email since being out west, but he was very welcoming and invited me to get involved. some of you may recall his presentation from three or four years ago when he was stopping through atlanta; his work ran the performative gamut: from flute players on roller skates to intermedia theatre with text and image projections (sometimes incorporating quotes from the infamous judge schreber i think) to performers stretching analog tape the length of the stage, and more. i'm sure there was much much more than that. some of it, i believe, is documented on his website, http://zvonar.com a Message: 2 Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:35:03 -0700 From: Alex Shapiro Subject: Richard Zvonar I forward to my ACF-LA colleagues an email that Pam Goldsmith just sent: "Dear friends, Richard Zvonar has gone. He went peacefully and I appreciate all your fine responses to my previous message. He did not want a service or memorial, and he will be cremated. In lieu of flowers, the family requests that memorial contributions be made to California Peace Action, 5898 Blackwelder Street, 2nd Flr., Culver City, CA 90232." As I stated in a previous email last week, Richard was an extraordinary gift to many of us at ACF-LA since the chapter's inception five years ago. His devoted efforts brought us countless workshops, seminars and interviews with some of the most fascinating people in music, on both the technical and the creative sides of our shared world. Without him, ACF-LA would not have flourished and would have lacked the diversity of programs and participants that have become synonymous with Richard's name. His generosity and his forward-thinking vision were truly remarkable, and he will be missed. Alex From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 6 00:18:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6207E3BF67; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 00:18:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42F4019B.9030800@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 20:17:31 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Galactic Travels Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup , WDIY Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #437 for August 4, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 00:18:14 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/050804.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #437 August 4, 2005 RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Body Love" on InsideOut's Revisited imprint. This Deluxe Edition includes the original 1977 release (remastered) and a bonus track. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Ambient 3" by Laraaji and produced by Brian Eno on Editions EG Records, released in 1980. Klaus Schulze - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#aug PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Laraaji The Dance #3 Ambient 3 (Editions EG) Arttek Marlin Soaks Arttek 2005 (none) Palancar Obscured Broadcasts (none) Surface 10 Welcome to the Fading Borrowed Time 2000 (Space for Music) Hammock Birds, Flying In Stranded Under Endless Sky (none) Amongst Myselves Safe in Narwang Baru Still Life (RMC) Patrick O'Hearn I Remember Now Slow Time (none) 12:00 am Klaus Schulze Stardancer Body Love (Revisited) Klaus Schulze Blanche Body Love (Revisited) Klaus Schulze P.T.O. Body Love (Revisited) Klaus Schulze Lasse Braun * Body Love (Revisited) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Miditerranean Pads" remastered and reissued on InsideOut Music's Revisited imprint. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Outre X Mer EP" by Solar X on Defective Records and released in 1995. Bill =============================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4:00 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Service Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 6 01:07:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E82933BF61; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 01:07:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42F40D45.2040703@soundscapes.us> Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 21:07:17 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels References: <20050804185042.35521.qmail@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050804185042.35521.qmail@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9v2UT.A.Ab.t1A9CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 01:07:57 +0000 (UTC) daniel stevenson wrote: > hello,are the formats of afterglow/galactic travels like that of > echoes ... ? > No. John has a MUCH better voice than I do. I limit the scope of my programs where John strays into New Age. Galactic Travels is spacemusic. Afterglow is 30 minutes New Age followed by 60 minutes progressive rock. The AM/FM Show is both of the others rolled into one! Do listen in and tell me what you think. Cheers, Bill - http://soundscapes.us/bill ========================================================================================================== Host of Afterglow every Thursday at 8:00 am EDT (GMT-4) on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM. Phase 1: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, New Age, or whatever strikes my fancy. Phase 2: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ========================================================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EDT (GMT-4) on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM. Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, New Age, or whatever strikes my fancy. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm ========================================================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville, and on 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable. Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml ========================================================================================================== Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm ========================================================================================================== Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm ========================================================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 6 07:13:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 091003BF6B; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 07:13:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=v3MnRRgir45qbGWFBL5I6crgZjHjNbU+QDrBPM571abK/W9tSOQgnbIC3V3cxIUOvFN9ABvcp26An/A+vn9855ZOiqB2hK9umeB7VqkhlrUDOHgQHlP8W9cSZwVaD2jSiGD3m9inPJUsgkZXRTxguOEvt6cSiQBDIt3mvCIIyMo= ; Message-ID: <20050806071357.26196.qmail@web52811.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 00:13:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Dr. Richard Zvonar, RIP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <55F9C6E0-05F3-11DA-9D92-000A95A5D158@peak.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 07:13:57 +0000 (UTC) God bless him. Luis www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 6 07:59:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74AF23BF76; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 07:59:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RIsi/Nvm9iqGapzxq1fNRv/uRYKSZYBGwBU8lQb4GAMfqf1qaUJYzdxtqf5SGjiuhXHNI6lneTz/Ah+Bh9X1LOAbOIOQDGFUBXzx3Fzp6BVGEtPZahXKUic+Pt9/LlRExdbmduNIiwnbtCFac71G+XBpD/fqBKzf2AtHxFf29v0= ; Message-ID: <20050806075936.37226.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 00:59:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Song file Uploaded To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <55F9C6E0-05F3-11DA-9D92-000A95A5D158@peak.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 07:59:39 +0000 (UTC) Hi Gang, I just uploaded the song "Cajita de Musica" in the LD File Library i am daring now to have an LD review Ohhhhuch... P.S.(i know excuse my cheap imitation of Miles:-) Cheers Luis www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 6 10:04:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CD483BF7F; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 10:04:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loop List From: Steve Lawson Subject: RE: RIP Dr Richard Zvonar Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 11:04:31 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - paddington.sitehq4.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 10:04:34 +0000 (UTC) So sad to hear of Richard's passing - an amazing gentleman, who I spent some time with at NAMM, MacWorld, and at one of the Santa Cruz loop shows. His approach to music seems uniquely academic and playful at the same time, his clarity in thinking, writing and talking about the musical process was outstanding. There are a few things in the conversation we had an MacWorld that have become part of my daily process of thinking about music. My sincerest condolences go out to all those who knew and loved him. His lost to the music world is great, but immeasurable alongside the loss that his family must be feeling right now. Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/store/ - shop http://www.anthropiccollective.org - blog From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 6 17:39:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 581AA3BF66; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 17:39:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 19:42:12 +0200 Subject: Berlin anyone? From: Andreas Willers To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 17:39:17 +0000 (UTC) Hi, how about coming out to my modest avant-jazz-looping-guitar show "Ground Guitar Music" in Berlin on Sunday, August 7th, 9 pm at the Kulturfabrik Lehrter Stra=DFe 35 in Tiergarten/Moabit and saying hi? Regards, Andreas Willers www.andreaswillers.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 6 17:57:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77ABC3BF5E; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 17:57:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 12:57:28 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Mobius now supports external synchronization To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42F4FA08.3000209@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) Resent-Message-ID: <6EI1WD.A.wrB.RoP9CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 17:57:38 +0000 (UTC) A new release of Mobius is now available that supports external synchronization. The EDP sync modes In, Out, and OutUserStart are supported as well as these new modes: MIDI Beat Similar to "beat sync", the start and end of the recording is simply quantized to a MIDI beat (24 clocks) and does not depend on the 8thsPerCycle or Quantize parameters. MIDI Bar Functionally the same as In with Quantize=Loop, but you can leave Quantize off if desired. VST Beat Quantizes the start and end of a recording to the VST host beat. VST Bar Quantizes the start and end of a recording to the VST host bar. When used with the MIDI Yoke loopback device, Mobius may serve as the sync master for VST hosts that can run as a sync slave. This works with Live, albeit with the well known "tempo smoothing" flaw. A mode resembling "brother sync" is also available allowing a track to quantize record times to the cycle of another track and then play with sample accurate sync. Several MIDI control improvements were made allowing tracks to be controlled independently by more than one musician. For complete details you can read the synchronization chapter of the manual here: www.zonemobius.com/mobiusdoc.htm#Synchronization The installer is available here: www.zonemobius.com/download.html Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 6 19:01:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 702133BF63; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 19:01:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Berlin anyone? Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 12:01:53 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 19:01:53 +0000 (UTC) For those of you unfamiliar with Andreas' work, he is a first rate avant- jazz- looping musician. Check him out if you can, Bill -----Original Message----- From: Andreas Willers [mailto:a.willers@arcor.de] Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 10:42 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Berlin anyone? Hi, how about coming out to my modest avant-jazz-looping-guitar show "Ground Guitar Music" in Berlin on Sunday, August 7th, 9 pm at the Kulturfabrik Lehrter Straße 35 in Tiergarten/Moabit and saying hi? Regards, Andreas Willers www.andreaswillers.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 6 20:44:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3E6E3BF66; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 20:44:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=c2C0j/DlZJC5Qj7O51Kwd/U2D3RHfmFdf4tnzmsHS5fGExVkTUsWx8NwjYNsT8A4Cmqci7tqrG816Zxt3s7LsInZ0Ut6A6VNKdvzlECPjwQv7uP3ueH/9+JQLjXr4GAzDa9CbRjBIG4ptwK7BU1C8h3wB1be/6ZPkdKl4/blNf4= Message-ID: <588ce11d0508061344c13fa7a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 13:44:56 -0700 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius now supports external synchronization In-Reply-To: <42F4FA08.3000209@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <42F4FA08.3000209@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 20:44:57 +0000 (UTC) Woo-Hoo! I've been waiting for this! On 8/6/05, Jeff Larson wrote: >=20 > A new release of Mobius is now available that supports external > synchronization. The EDP sync modes In, Out, and OutUserStart > are supported as well as these new modes: >=20 > MIDI Beat > Similar to "beat sync", the start and end of the recording > is simply quantized to a MIDI beat (24 clocks) and does not > depend on the 8thsPerCycle or Quantize parameters. >=20 > MIDI Bar > Functionally the same as In with Quantize=3DLoop, but you can > leave Quantize off if desired. >=20 > VST Beat > Quantizes the start and end of a recording to the VST host beat. >=20 > VST Bar > Quantizes the start and end of a recording to the VST host bar. >=20 > When used with the MIDI Yoke loopback device, Mobius may serve as the > sync master for VST hosts that can run as a sync slave. This works > with Live, albeit with the well known "tempo smoothing" flaw. >=20 > A mode resembling "brother sync" is also available allowing a track to > quantize record times to the cycle of another track and then play > with sample accurate sync. Several MIDI control improvements were > made allowing tracks to be controlled independently by more than one > musician. >=20 > For complete details you can read the synchronization chapter of > the manual here: >=20 > www.zonemobius.com/mobiusdoc.htm#Synchronization >=20 > The installer is available here: >=20 > www.zonemobius.com/download.html >=20 > Jeff >=20 >=20 --=20 Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 6 22:10:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEDD93BF75; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 22:10:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 18:07:55 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Dr. Zvonar is my friend! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00c601c59ad4$133df920$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001001c59a18$d3b87160$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 22:10:40 +0000 (UTC) At times like this, I am reminded of the scene in "Dances With Wolves" where the Indian brave rides to the the top of the crest and yells his alliegence to his friend. This man did so much, so well, for so many of us. Be silent for a moment; you will hear him. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 6 22:10:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E35E53BF74; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 22:10:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 18:11:02 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Product reviews (was pedal abuse (was sitar)) To: mark sottilaro , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00c701c59ad4$13672c00$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050805203157.13779.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 22:10:40 +0000 (UTC) Y'know, gang, I'm one of those guys writing those reviews... ...and I'll be happy to answer any questions about "behind the scenes" product review stuff. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." --- Hunter S. Thompson ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 4:31 PM Subject: RE: pedal abuse (was sitar) > Heh, I agree. I find that usually between what you > find between magazine reviews and user reviews on > Harmony Central lies the truth. I LOVE reading > Harmony Central reviews. I always end up finding out > more about people than the gear, but it's still fun. > > Mark > > --- hazard factor wrote: > > > Funny, a recent Guitar mag (don't remember which > > one) raved and raved about > > these. I wonder if they actually *get* the pedals > > mailed to them, or just > > write a 'review' from the ad copy. Which brings up > > another pet peeve- most > > published gear reviews are awful. My favorite is > > always the last sentence- > > it is some variation of 'if you are looking for a > > pedal/guitar/whatever like > > this, you may just want to give this one some > > consideration.' > > > > I always wanted to see a 'gear that sucks' column. > > > > Dave Eichenberger- > > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > > > > > > > > hey i was one of these JIMI pedals-makes a > > great doorstop! > > > also good for using as a paperweight... > > > s > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 6 22:21:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB9153BF74; Sat, 6 Aug 2005 22:21:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <00c701c59ad4$13672c00$9715be18@oemcomputer> References: <20050805203157.13779.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> <00c701c59ad4$13672c00$9715be18@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Product reviews (was pedal abuse (was sitar)) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 00:20:58 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: <6H2deB.A.4WB.NfT9CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 22:21:01 +0000 (UTC) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mark sottilaro" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 4:31 PM > Subject: RE: pedal abuse (was sitar) > > > >> Heh, I agree. I find that usually between what you >> find between magazine reviews and user reviews on >> Harmony Central lies the truth. I LOVE reading >> Harmony Central reviews. I always end up finding out >> more about people than the gear, but it's still fun. >> >> Mark You're damn right, Mark! But THAT is the fun part reading HC reviews; learning about people. ;-) It never stops to fascinates me how precisely different musicians (singers, guitarists, drummers etc) tend to fall into certain psycho/socio-logical groupings. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 7 00:39:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C99C3BF81; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 00:39:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Product reviews (was pedal abuse (was sitar)) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 20:39:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <00c701c59ad4$13672c00$9715be18@oemcomputer> Thread-Index: AcWa07GygcJjsfPbRvCRGnD/+vjhbwAE6hsA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Message-ID: <0MKp2t-1E1ZBs2zLJ-0001Ts@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 00:39:03 +0000 (UTC) Wow, cool- for which magazine? Do they ever 'guide' or change things in your reviews? How come reviews in the 70s and 80s seemed to be a lot more honest? And how come, sometimes, *within the pages of a review* there are full page ads for the product that is being reviewed? Why do a lot of reviews spend half of the words telling you the features- you can look up the ad in the same issue to see those. I don't mean to get down on you, I honestly am trying to figure out why reviews are either non-committal or overbearingly wonderful. I know there isn't that much great stuff out there. I honestly think it would be cool for a magazine to review the whole purchase process...from store to home. Go to a store, buy the product, bring it home. You get to review the salesperson, the condition of the equipment, as well as the item. They wouldn't be hand picked items the manufacturer sends. Ahh, that is what Harmony Central is for I guess. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > Y'know, gang, I'm one of those guys writing those reviews... > ...and I'll be happy to answer any questions about "behind the scenes" > product review stuff. > > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > coyotelk@optonline.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 7 01:04:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA7573BF84; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 01:04:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=UHhxgn7hFE4PJEtCE6U3zFiuFGQnsuSZlDhx9mlhq/KUQif4IZjt13ssN69NSaYY; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200580711140510@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: "William Walker" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: God bless Dr. Z! RE: Dr Zvonar Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 21:11:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94054012aa94c209521a833a5490ac847b5350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.145.25 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 01:04:31 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Damn, I go on vacation for one lousy week and look what happens! (sigh) Sincerely, I didn't even know the man was sick! Did his cancer come back or something?!? Although I only knew Richard through his postings, his sites, and some very nice mano-a-mano e-mails, his death hits me like a ski-boot in the groin. I am too bummed to say anymore at this point.... Hey, RZ, I hope you and Lev Theremin are having a ball Up There. Love, Tim "Color Me Gray" Mungenast ----- Original Message ----- From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 8/4/2005 10:22:34 PM Subject: Dr Zvonar I'm very saddened to hear of the passing of Richard Zvonar. as many of you know he was a generous and esteemed contributor to this web site and the world of electronic music, as a performer/composer/educator/designer. I feel fortunate to have gotten to know Dr Z a little bit better in the last couple of years, both from his always insightful LD comments, and from encounters at various Looping events on the West Coast. He was the first person ( of several, I'm grateful to say) to come to my defense when Larry Cooperman was flaming me a few months back, going so far as to spar with Larry off list. We had some funny e-mail exchanges about that one. I miss Dr Z already and I know I'll feel the void when He isn't at the breakfast table following the next Santa Cruz Loopfest, as he has been the last three years. I hope were ever you are Richard, there is a giant modular synthesizer (and a wall of outboard DSPs) for you to play with. Ride on Brother Bill ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Damn, I go on vacation for one lousy week and look what happens!  (sigh)
Sincerely, I didn't even know the man was sick! Did his cancer come back or something?!?
Although I only knew Richard through his postings, his sites, and some very nice mano-a-mano e-mails, his death hits me like a ski-boot in the groin. I am too bummed to say anymore at this point....
Hey, RZ, I hope you and Lev Theremin are having a ball Up There.
Love,
Tim "Color Me Gray" Mungenast
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 8/4/2005 10:22:34 PM
Subject: Dr Zvonar

I'm very saddened to hear of the passing of Richard Zvonar. as many of you know he was a generous and esteemed  contributor to this web site and the world of electronic music, as a performer/composer/educator/designer. I feel fortunate to have gotten to know Dr Z a little bit better in the last couple of years, both from his always insightful LD comments, and from encounters at various Looping events on the West Coast.  He was the first person ( of several, I'm grateful to say)  to come to my defense when Larry Cooperman was flaming me  a few months back, going so far as to spar with Larry off list. We had some funny e-mail exchanges about that one. I miss Dr Z already and I know I'll feel the void when He isn't at the breakfast table following the next Santa Cruz Loopfest, as he has been the last three years. I hope were ever you are Richard, there is a giant modular synthesizer (and a wall of outboard DSPs) for you to play with.
 Ride on Brother
 
Bill
 
------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 7 09:42:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9A973BF36; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 09:42:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <0MKp2t-1E1ZBs2zLJ-0001Ts@mrelay.perfora.net> References: <0MKp2t-1E1ZBs2zLJ-0001Ts@mrelay.perfora.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Product reviews (was pedal abuse (was sitar)) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 11:42:19 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 09:42:23 +0000 (UTC) On Aug 7, 2005, at 2:39, hazard factor wrote: > Do they ever 'guide' or change things in > your reviews? Every mag has its own set of guidelines (or templates) for which areas of the product a review has to go into. All Swedish magazines I'm writing for usually send a copy of the manuscript to the manufacturer, or product agent, before it goes to print. So if the reviewer should have misunderstood something, it can be corrected. If the product is found to suck and gets bashed in the text, the agent has the chance to send in information on eventual plans for upgrades, special customer support regarding that product etc. > How come reviews in the 70s and 80s seemed to be a lot more > honest? Because there were less products back then to review and the general speed in the working society was slower, giving the reviewer a better chance to get to know the product hands-on. > And how come, sometimes, *within the pages of a review* there are > full page ads for the product that is being reviewed? Any company can buy ads in a magazine. Without the income from selling ad space there wouldn't even be possible to put out a magazine. And if a review is happening the ad buyer typically does request ad space on neighboring pages. > Why do a lot of > reviews spend half of the words telling you the features- you can > look up > the ad in the same issue to see those. Thus the reader can get the full picture by reading the review. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 7 15:23:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C1F23BF36; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:23:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=sprintmail.com; b=XFc6Tdo1P+mZbJC/o8Z3NtlOKaMlovD2sZQ7Md1qSil5nOUtQnhZTtf2WUXTete4; h=Received:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Content-Type:To:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig spam [Seattle] Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 08:23:26 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-ELNK-Trace: 86a6669cc0c295031c0d99aadad889b544085b9606502ed9c0bc030e0223c94fedea90e97a745080350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.91.62.52 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:23:28 +0000 (UTC) Back from my mini-tour of Idaho, here's a few shows at familiar stomping grounds: Wednesday, August 10th, 7PM Bay Street Coffeehouse (1302 Bay Street, Bellingham) Friday, August 12th, 8-10PM El Diablo Coffeehouse (1811 Queen Anne Avenue North #101) Both shows are non-smoking and no cover. Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 7 15:37:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 483123BF40; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:37:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000401c59b67$25877be0$1f03d00c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <080320052351.8545.42F15865000E7D4A0000216121979128029B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> Subject: Re: pedal abuse Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 10:46:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:37:59 +0000 (UTC) I did a couple of the intended mods to Dano pedals yesterday and posted some basic descriptions and a couple of mp3s: Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 6:51 PM Subject: Re: pedal abuse (was sitar) > > > > > What other pedals are you guys using for purposes > > other than their manufacturers intended? (Musical > > purposes, I mean...) > > > > -t- > > I've been playing around with feedback generating devices again in the > last couple of weeks. Years ago I built a system to generate feedback which > was very similar to the Sustainiac: > > > > A few weeks ago I was making an mp3 for my sister for her birthday ("Happy > Birthday" as played by Hendrix at Woodstock) and that got me interested in > this again. So now I'm buying some of those cheap Danelectro mini pedals > so I can hack them up and combine them into an improved feedback system. > > When I was playing around with the stuff recently, I tried running the > guitar sound through Reaktor before it went back to the feedback transducer. > I figured out that if you add a short time delay to the signal, you can > get the feedback to jump to a different note. It's like what happens when > you use a phase reverse switch on the guitar pickups, except you can control > it better. Reaktor is the best way to do it, but since I don't currently > have a way to use Reaktor live, I'm thinking of making a little pedalboard > with Dano pedals. For the short delay I plan on hacking a Hash Browns Flanger > so that it only outputs delayed signal and the delay can be controlled with > a pedal (instead of the normal LFO). I'm hoping I can mount the guts of > the flanger inside a Dunlop volume pedal and have a pedal-controlled delay. > > I think that classifies as not using it the way it was intended...also > I bought one of their micro-amp pedals which I plan to hack so that the > signal output is actually an external speaker output. This will drive > the feedback transducer. I'm adding a regular echo pedal (PB&J delay) > so that I can get the wonderful screeching sound that results from running > the feedbacking signal through a delay BEFORE the distortion in the audible > signal chain. This sounds wonderfully psychotic. The whole system will > look something like this: > > Guitar---->Compressor --+--->Echo-->Distortion->other FX--> Audible output > | > v > Distortion > | > v > Pedal-controlled short delay > | > v > EQ (low end rolled off to prevent wolfing) > | > v > Micro amp > | > Transducer<-----+ > > I'll let you know how it turns out. > > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 7 15:48:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8762B3BF36; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:48:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42F62D48.7040503@biink.com> Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 11:48:24 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Product reviews (was pedal abuse (was sitar)) References: <0MKp2t-1E1ZBs2zLJ-0001Ts@mrelay.perfora.net> In-Reply-To: <0MKp2t-1E1ZBs2zLJ-0001Ts@mrelay.perfora.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:48:10 +0000 (UTC) hazard factor wrote: > Wow, cool- for which magazine? > The coyote-at-large has been sighted writing for Guitar World. Any others? > Do they ever 'guide' or change things in >your reviews? > I wrote a product review for Guitar World a few years back, mostly because I was the only one around who could write an review of a microtonal guitar. I wrote it and handed it in. They asked for more and then left the more out. But they edited it a bit and paid me, so I don't care. I think if you write in the house style, they edit less. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 7 16:23:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2AB53BF2F; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 16:23:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WELL-Auth: Yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 09:22:38 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Zvonar the bell ringer Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.2, clamav-milter version 0.86 on smtp.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 16:23:20 +0000 (UTC) My relationship with Richard started strangely. It was 1976 or 1977, and we were both taking a class in electronic music, taught by Bob Beede, at Cabrillo College in Santa Cruz. We each thought we were the smartest person in the room. I think that we viewed each other with a little suspicion. This changed when I asked Bob Beede to open for my band at the time's first, and as it turns out, only, gig. My band was more or less called "Your Name Here", although we had just run a series of "Name This Band" classified ads in the local free paper, the Good Times. The gig was in Kresge hall, at UC Santa Cruz. Bob asked Richard to join him for some serious noisemaking. Bob & Richard played with unique, aggressive timbres, but little in the way of structure. Your Name Here was playing complicated, mostly composed music, with way too many parts, time signatures, and key changes. The contrast between the approaches was really interesting. Richard and I came away from this with respect for each other. We've been friends ever since. Richard was really good at networking and keeping in touch. If he was in town, we would usually get together, often with someone Richard thought that I should know. Whe he first got esophageal cancer, he did his usual thorough job of research on the disease, and his prognosis. He knew that the survival rate was not that high for this type of cancer, but he put up the good fight. Around this time we were both alpha and beta testing the Eventide Orville. I submitted a patch that I made, called BellRinger, which I thought Richard would like for two reasons. The first is that it's a cool patch with reverse tapped delays that build to a peak, which is ring modulated, then the ring mod signal hits a normal delay and fades out. The second reason is that Zvonar translates into "bell ringer". I'll miss him. -C -- Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status quo. cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree, http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 7 20:11:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B77C3BF2D; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 20:11:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0tdq1EV4bt/FLMHxl+6MYjwIA/LiSFBQ8JjUgrRaFcyspe3dZA+5UUb4wjqDuGXZBULJ1l8RF/4tc+9W7fLSDj/KOYAuZLJfwlkNWQMvN+TL5xARWjVyu0moqLpRkWtdSpjFia28oUZG3G9PV5jjGjYhQLp+Vg1uCxE3GgQ60Xc= ; Message-ID: <20050807201108.43013.qmail@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 13:11:08 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: pedal abuse To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000401c59b67$25877be0$1f03d00c@insightbb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1548874671-1123445468=:40811" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 20:11:10 +0000 (UTC) --0-1548874671-1123445468=:40811 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit greetings of an almost human nature.do you reck'n you could wire up one o' dem doo dads and create an entropy pedal?please include a reverse funtion... silly hibillynary aka scary visionary. Mark Smart wrote:I did a couple of the intended mods to Dano pedals yesterday and posted some basic descriptions and a couple of mp3s: Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 6:51 PM Subject: Re: pedal abuse (was sitar) > > > > > What other pedals are you guys using for purposes > > other than their manufacturers intended? (Musical > > purposes, I mean...) > > > > -t- > > I've been playing around with feedback generating devices again in the > last couple of weeks. Years ago I built a system to generate feedback which > was very similar to the Sustainiac: > > > > A few weeks ago I was making an mp3 for my sister for her birthday ("Happy > Birthday" as played by Hendrix at Woodstock) and that got me interested in > this again. So now I'm buying some of those cheap Danelectro mini pedals > so I can hack them up and combine them into an improved feedback system. > > When I was playing around with the stuff recently, I tried running the > guitar sound through Reaktor before it went back to the feedback transducer. > I figured out that if you add a short time delay to the signal, you can > get the feedback to jump to a different note. It's like what happens when > you use a phase reverse switch on the guitar pickups, except you can control > it better. Reaktor is the best way to do it, but since I don't currently > have a way to use Reaktor live, I'm thinking of making a little pedalboard > with Dano pedals. For the short delay I plan on hacking a Hash Browns Flanger > so that it only outputs delayed signal and the delay can be controlled with > a pedal (instead of the normal LFO). I'm hoping I can mount the guts of > the flanger inside a Dunlop volume pedal and have a pedal-controlled delay. > > I think that classifies as not using it the way it was intended...also > I bought one of their micro-amp pedals which I plan to hack so that the > signal output is actually an external speaker output. This will drive > the feedback transducer. I'm adding a regular echo pedal (PB&J delay) > so that I can get the wonderful screeching sound that results from running > the feedbacking signal through a delay BEFORE the distortion in the audible > signal chain. This sounds wonderfully psychotic. The whole system will > look something like this: > > Guitar---->Compressor --+--->Echo-->Distortion->other FX--> Audible output > | > v > Distortion > | > v > Pedal-controlled short delay > | > v > EQ (low end rolled off to prevent wolfing) > | > v > Micro amp > | > Transducer<-----+ > > I'll let you know how it turns out. > > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net > --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. --0-1548874671-1123445468=:40811 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
greetings of an almost human nature.do you reck'n you could wire up one o' dem doo dads and create an entropy pedal?please include a reverse funtion...    silly hibillynary aka scary visionary.

Mark Smart <mwsmart@insightbb.com> wrote:
I did a couple of the intended mods to Dano pedals yesterday and posted some
basic descriptions and a couple of mp3s:



Mark Smart
http://www.marksmart.net/
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From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: pedal abuse (was sitar)


>
>
>
> > What other pedals are you guys using for purposes
> > other than their manufacturers intended? (Musical
> > purposes, I mean...)
> >
> > -t-
>
> I've been playing around with feedback generating devices again in the
> last couple of weeks. Years ago I built a system to generate feedback which
> was very similar to the Sustainiac:
>
>
>
> A few weeks ago I was making an mp3 for my sister for her birthday ("Happy
> Birthday" as played by Hendrix at Woodstock) and that got me interested in
> this again. So now I'm buying some of those cheap Danelectro mini pedals
> so I can hack them up and combine them into an improved feedback system.
>
> When I was playing around with the stuff recently, I tried running the
> guitar sound through Reaktor before it went back to the feedback transducer.
> I figured out that if you add a short time delay to the signal, you can
> get the feedback to jump to a different note. It's like what happens when
> you use a phase reverse switch on the guitar pickups, except you can control
> it better. Reaktor is the best way to do it, but since I don't currently
> have a way to use Reaktor live, I'm thinking of making a little pedalboard
> with Dano pedals. For the short delay I plan on hacking a Hash Browns Flanger
> so that it only outputs delayed signal and the delay can be controlled with
> a pedal (instead of the normal LFO). I'm hoping I can mount the guts of
> the flanger inside a Dunlop volume pedal and have a pedal-controlled delay.
>
> I think that classifies as not using it the way it was intended...also
> I bought one of their micro-amp pedals which I plan to hack so that the
> signal output is actually an external speaker output. This will drive
> the feedback transducer. I'm adding a regular echo pedal (PB&J delay)
> so that I can get the wonderful screeching sound that results from running
> the feedbacking signal through a delay BEFORE the distortion in the audible
> signal chain. This sounds wonderfully psychotic. The whole system will
> look something like this:
>
> Guitar---->Compressor --+--->Echo-->Distortion->other FX--> Audible output
> |
> v
> Distortion
> |
> v
> Pedal-controlled short delay
> |
> v
> EQ (low end rolled off to prevent wolfing)
> |
> v
> Micro amp
> |
> Transducer<-----+
>
> I'll let you know how it turns out.
>
> Mark Smart
> http://www.marksmart.net
>

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. --0-1548874671-1123445468=:40811-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 7 23:06:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 543CF3BF27; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 23:06:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 19:10:05 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Product reviews (was pedal abuse (was sitar)) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003001c59ba5$28921aa0$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <42F62D48.7040503@biink.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 23:06:59 +0000 (UTC) Hey Crew- I'm gonna try and pull a few of these posts into a single reply. It's l-o-o-o-o-n-n-n-n-g-g-g.... Dave Eichenberger wrote: > Wow, cool- for which magazine? I write for Guitar One, not Guitar World. (David Beardsley is probably remembering when I wrote for World about five-to-eight years ago.) More on the differences between the two in a moment. ...and... > Do they ever 'guide' or change things in your reviews? I have had some radical revisions made to my writing when I wrote for Guitar World, part of the reason why I no longer write for them, except in "emergency" situations. (G. World and G. One are owned by the same publisher now (Future Network) and share the same office space in Manhattan. I e-commute from my home on Long Island, and only go into the office once or twice a year.) Sometimes World will be short a reviewer and I'll write a review for them, but overall the two magazines are actually in competition with each other. I have not had radical revisions - or ANY significant revisions - made while writing for Guitar One, except for experiences similar to Per's comments (following). My take is, I trust my co-reviewers at G. One more than the guys at G. World. Even tho' the guys at World are nice and all, I've seen what they've done to my writing, soooo.... (D'ya think there's a "tell all" trash true story in this?) Per wrote: > Every mag has its own set of guidelines (or templates) for which > areas of the product a review has to go into. All Swedish magazines > I'm writing for usually send a copy of the manuscript to the > manufacturer, or product agent, before it goes to print. So if the > reviewer should have misunderstood something, it can be corrected. If > the product is found to suck and gets bashed in the text, the agent > has the chance to send in information on eventual plans for upgrades, > special customer support regarding that product etc. In the case of Guitar One, if we get a product that really sucks, we don't review it. We return it to the manufacturer, and I usually provide the manufacturer with a detailed explanation of why it was rejected. We also provide the manufacturer with a copy of the text before publishing for a "fact check." The manufacturer can (and should) correct any factual errors at this point, and can suggest rephrasing to correct misleading impressions, but I reject any attempt by them to sweeten or rewrite a review. Interestingly, I just finished a review of a Mesa Boogie Lone Star Special amp, and compared its 30-watt output very favorably to a 50- or 100-watt amp. Boogie - one of the coolest companies going, im my H.O. - actually requested that I remove the comparison because it was "too positive!" I kept the comparison in. Dave continues: > How come reviews in the 70s and 80s seemed to be a lot more honest? Hmmm.... Maybe because it was a newer field, and the bucks weren't as big...? I've got a lot of the old mags from the day, maybe I'll crack a few of them and see how they phrased things. > And how come, sometimes, *within the pages of a review* there are > full page ads for the product that is being reviewed? Per nailed it: > Any company can buy ads in a magazine. Without the income from > selling ad space there wouldn't even be possible to put out a > magazine. And if a review is happening the ad buyer typically does > request ad space on neighboring pages. Reviews and advertising space unfortunately go hand in hand. We have a limited amount of space available in the magazine for reviews. Advertisers get their product reviewed first. And placing an ad next to a review is just a perk for the advertiser. > Why do a lot of > reviews spend half of the words telling you the features- you can look up > the ad in the same issue to see those. Most ads don't explain the layout or function of the features. I like to integrate descriptions of features with a sense of a product's function. "The knobs do this and this, and the taper of the tone pot was a bit sudden..." That sort of thing. > I don't mean to get down on you, I honestly am trying to figure out why > reviews are either non-committal or overbearingly wonderful. I know there > isn't that much great stuff out there. You're not getting down on me/us at all, Dave! I like this kind of dialogue, and honestly wish the editors at my magazine would discuss the review process more in print. As to why reviews are "either non-committal or overbearingly wonderful," well, I would hope that mine *range* from non-com to wonder. As I said earlier, we don't review stuff that's flawed or really sub-standard. And quite honestly, I believe that there *is* a lot of great stuff out there. I'm amazed at the quality of the Korean and Chinese guitars, and effects processors are getting better with each new product. Also note that Guitar One has its "One" Award, which I only give to about one out of five or six products. With our magazine, you can look at it this way: If the product is getting a review at all, it's decent. If I point out specific flaws in a review, there is cause for concern. If the review is non-committal, then the product didn't excite me. The more excited my prose, the more positive I felt about the product. And if it gets the "One" Award, it's truly exceptional. You can also *hear* the product on our magazine's CD. When I review a product, I record it myself, so you can hear *me* putting the product through its paces. Really good products inspire better playing on my part. > I honestly think it would be cool for a magazine to review the whole > purchase process...from store to home. Go to a store, buy the product, bring > it home. You get to review the salesperson, the condition of the equipment, > as well as the item. Personally, I'm not interested in the "store" aspect. It would be very easy to get buddy-buddy with a reviewer and be sure he/she gets preferential treatment. And stores are *local.* The guys on 48th St. in Manhattan are a whole different animal than the yobbos in the 'burbs, who are yet again different from a mom 'n' pop in the country. On the other hand, I do take packaging and manufacturer response into account, although it might not appear specifically in print. > They wouldn't be hand picked items the manufacturer > sends. Ah, Ha, ha, ha! Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! You should see some of the crap that gets sent to me. You would *think* the manufacturer would send something special, something tweaked just right, with a better grade of wood, a flawless finish, knobs tight and fresh batteries. You would think, and you would be wrong. So we either send it back, or point it out in the review. And by the way, I think Harmony Central is the coolest thing in the world. If you're gonna drop some coin on a product, check out what HC posters say. Believe me, I often cross-check my evaluation with HC posts to be sure I've covered everything, or captured the vibe of the product correctly. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." --- Hunter S. Thompson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 7 23:37:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80D3C3BF21; Sun, 7 Aug 2005 23:37:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Large Coyote in Print Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 16:36:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcWbpLcsxZyGT1NYSLWzhAjJRQbWdgABAM4g In-Reply-To: <003001c59ba5$28921aa0$9715be18@oemcomputer> Message-Id: <20050807233659.SRPZ3209.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 23:37:06 +0000 (UTC) I have also seen Doug Baldwin in the Taylor house publication a few times--"Wood and Steel" . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 8 00:06:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A2D33BF1A; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 00:06:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000701c59bae$3be056e0$1f03d00c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <20050807201108.43013.qmail@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: pedal abuse Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 19:15:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 00:06:54 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "daniel stevenson" To: Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 3:11 PM Subject: Re: pedal abuse > greetings of an almost human nature.do you reck'n >you could wire up one o' dem doo dads and create an >entropy pedal? Well, noooo....unless round is funny. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 8 01:11:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDA133BF2A; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 01:11:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Product reviews (was pedal abuse (was sitar)) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 21:12:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <003001c59ba5$28921aa0$9715be18@oemcomputer> Thread-Index: AcWbpLaTw0un7D7rRsy9ZdXCh/TtpQADeMRw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Message-ID: <0MKp2t-1E1wBG2dhV-000899@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 01:11:56 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Doug, you have helped me clear out some misconceptions about the review process. From a reader point of view, it is hard to tell 'which comes first', the advertising or the review. I know if I do see some huge ads around the review for the very same product, my most logical conclusion is that "the advertiser bought 2 whole pages, so he gets a great review, anything bad is edited out". Now, according to Per's view "if a review is happening the ad buyer typically does request ad space on neighboring pages.", well, this may be true, but with so many products out there, why make it so obvious or make the reader think the advertiser 'bought' the review? Again, it makes me think of those 'Musician's Friend' catalog 'reviews'. A run-down of the features, followed by 'if you are looking for a pedal like this, this may be the one to look for (!?!). A good example recently discussed is the Sitar Swami...there were some *great* reviews of this thing (and full page ads) which is now considered one of the worst pedals ever made. It was as if the reviewer never even tried it at all. Same with the new Crossroads and Hendrix pedals. I realized there is a balance here- the magazine must balance ad $, with target audience, with at least a nod towards a non-biased review process. And space- guitar mags don't have the space that Sound on Sound does, and music software has a lot more features than most amps. Guitar mags are making everything shorter these days- tiny interviews (remember 12 pages in Guitar Player about Holdsworth's Synthaxe?)...they are getting to be like Cosmo with all the ads- oh yeah, get off my lawn... As far as letting the manufacturer seeing the review first- I remember reading a review, then seeing an ad in the same mag with quotes from the review a few pages earlier. Funny, that. It would be awesome though, for a CD reviewer to contact the band to see if he got his facts 'straight'. But a band doesn't have the money to take out an ad in the next issue, I am guessing. My favorite reviews (and most interesting to read) were those Guitar Player shootouts in the 80s. Manufacturers and players alike talking about a lot of gear at once. I understand how hard that is to do, but it was still interesting to read. Even just pitting a few different pieces of gear aimed for the same market against each other helps me understand what one can do and the other can't. I also find it interesting to know about the crap they send to you- I honestly thought the builder would labor over a special 'review piece' to get stuff right. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > > Hey Crew- > I'm gonna try and pull a few of these posts into a single > reply. It's l-o-o-o-o-n-n-n-n-g-g-g.... > > Dave Eichenberger wrote: > > Wow, cool- for which magazine? > I write for Guitar One, not Guitar World. (David Beardsley is > probably remembering when I wrote for World about > five-to-eight years ago.) More on the differences between the > two in a moment. > > ...and... > > Do they ever 'guide' or change things in your reviews? > I have had some radical revisions made to my writing when I > wrote for Guitar World, part of the reason why I no longer > write for them, except in "emergency" situations. (G. World > and G. One are owned by the same publisher now (Future > Network) and share the same office space in Manhattan. I > e-commute from my home on Long Island, and only go into the > office once or twice a year.) Sometimes World will be short a > reviewer and I'll write a review for them, but overall the > two magazines are actually in competition with each other. I > have not had radical revisions - or ANY significant revisions > - made while writing for Guitar One, except for experiences > similar to Per's comments (following). My take is, I trust my > co-reviewers at G. One more than the guys at G. World. Even > tho' the guys at World are nice and all, I've seen what > they've done to my writing, soooo.... (D'ya think there's a > "tell all" trash true story in this?) > Per wrote: > > Every mag has its own set of guidelines (or templates) for which > > areas of the product a review has to go into. All Swedish magazines > > I'm writing for usually send a copy of the manuscript to the > > manufacturer, or product agent, before it goes to print. So if the > > reviewer should have misunderstood something, it can be > corrected. If > > the product is found to suck and gets bashed in the text, the agent > > has the chance to send in information on eventual plans for > upgrades, > > special customer support regarding that product etc. > In the case of Guitar One, if we get a product that > really sucks, we don't review it. We return it to the > manufacturer, and I usually provide the manufacturer with a > detailed explanation of why it was rejected. We also provide > the manufacturer with a copy of the text before publishing > for a "fact check." The manufacturer can (and should) correct > any factual errors at this point, and can suggest rephrasing > to correct misleading impressions, but I reject any attempt > by them to sweeten or rewrite a review. > Interestingly, I just finished a review of a Mesa Boogie Lone > Star Special amp, and compared its 30-watt output very > favorably to a 50- or 100-watt amp. Boogie - one of the > coolest companies going, im my H.O. - actually requested that > I remove the comparison because it was "too positive!" I kept > the comparison in. > > Dave continues: > > How come reviews in the 70s and 80s seemed to be a lot more honest? > Hmmm.... Maybe because it was a newer field, and the bucks > weren't as big...? I've got a lot of the old mags from the > day, maybe I'll crack a few of them and see how they phrased things. > > > And how come, sometimes, *within the pages of a review* there are > > full page ads for the product that is being reviewed? > Per nailed it: > > Any company can buy ads in a magazine. Without the income > from selling > > ad space there wouldn't even be possible to put out a > magazine. And if > > a review is happening the ad buyer typically does request > ad space on > > neighboring pages. > Reviews and advertising space unfortunately go hand in hand. > We have a limited amount of space available in the magazine > for reviews. Advertisers get their product reviewed first. > And placing an ad next to a review is just a perk for the advertiser. > > > Why do a lot of > > reviews spend half of the words telling you the features- > you can look > > up the ad in the same issue to see those. > Most ads don't explain the layout or function of the > features. I like to integrate descriptions of features with a > sense of a product's function. > "The knobs do this and this, and the taper of the tone pot > was a bit sudden..." That sort of thing. > > > I don't mean to get down on you, I honestly am trying to figure out > > why reviews are either non-committal or overbearingly wonderful. I > > know there isn't that much great stuff out there. > You're not getting down on me/us at all, Dave! I like this > kind of dialogue, and honestly wish the editors at my > magazine would discuss the review process more in print. As > to why reviews are "either non-committal or overbearingly > wonderful," well, I would hope that mine *range* from non-com > to wonder. As I said earlier, we don't review stuff that's > flawed or really sub-standard. And quite honestly, I believe > that there *is* a lot of great stuff out there. I'm amazed at > the quality of the Korean and Chinese guitars, and effects > processors are getting better with each new product. > Also note that Guitar One has its "One" Award, which I only > give to about one out of five or six products. With our > magazine, you can look at it this > way: If the product is getting a review at all, it's decent. > If I point out specific flaws in a review, there is cause for > concern. If the review is non-committal, then the product > didn't excite me. The more excited my prose, the more > positive I felt about the product. And if it gets the "One" > Award, it's truly exceptional. You can also *hear* the > product on our magazine's CD. When I review a product, I > record it myself, so you can hear *me* putting the product > through its paces. Really good products inspire better > playing on my part. > > > I honestly think it would be cool for a magazine to review > the whole > > purchase process...from store to home. Go to a store, buy > the product, > bring > > it home. You get to review the salesperson, the condition of the > equipment, > > as well as the item. > Personally, I'm not interested in the "store" aspect. It > would be very easy to get buddy-buddy with a reviewer and be > sure he/she gets preferential treatment. And stores are > *local.* The guys on 48th St. in Manhattan are a whole > different animal than the yobbos in the 'burbs, who are yet > again different from a mom 'n' pop in the country. On the > other hand, I do take packaging and manufacturer response > into account, although it might not appear specifically in print. > > > They wouldn't be hand picked items the manufacturer sends. > Ah, Ha, ha, ha! Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! You should see some of > the crap that gets sent to me. You would *think* the > manufacturer would send something special, something tweaked > just right, with a better grade of wood, a flawless finish, > knobs tight and fresh batteries. You would think, and you > would be wrong. So we either send it back, or point it out in > the review. > And by the way, I think Harmony Central is the coolest > thing in the world. If you're gonna drop some coin on a > product, check out what HC posters say. Believe me, I often > cross-check my evaluation with HC posts to be sure I've > covered everything, or captured the vibe of the product correctly. > > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > coyotelk@optonline.net > > "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a > long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and > good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." > --- Hunter S. Thompson > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 8 01:45:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F240C3BF36; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 01:45:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=oSfxsQ1hiM5iGLMcOeBlNnOsELscee1YtgElcb5YnIZpCFdeDDoVO+GWjwuj7R69; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200581815227990@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Zvonar the bell ringer Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 21:52:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940eb86f964e3e8b4abe6ac6c27d0c4b3fd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.146.218 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 01:45:16 +0000 (UTC) GREAT STORY! "Bell Ringer"... heh heh... > [Original Message] > From: Chris Muir > To: > Date: 8/7/2005 12:23:20 PM > Subject: Zvonar the bell ringer > > > My relationship with Richard started strangely. It was 1976 or 1977, > and we were both taking a class in electronic music, taught by Bob > Beede, at Cabrillo College in Santa Cruz. We each thought we were the > smartest person in the room. I think that we viewed each other with a > little suspicion. > > This changed when I asked Bob Beede to open for my band at the time's > first, and as it turns out, only, gig. My band was more or less > called "Your Name Here", although we had just run a series of "Name > This Band" classified ads in the local free paper, the Good Times. > The gig was in Kresge hall, at UC Santa Cruz. Bob asked Richard to > join him for some serious noisemaking. > > Bob & Richard played with unique, aggressive timbres, but little in > the way of structure. Your Name Here was playing complicated, mostly > composed music, with way too many parts, time signatures, and key > changes. The contrast between the approaches was really interesting. > Richard and I came away from this with respect for each other. We've > been friends ever since. > > Richard was really good at networking and keeping in touch. If he was > in town, we would usually get together, often with someone Richard > thought that I should know. > > Whe he first got esophageal cancer, he did his usual thorough job of > research on the disease, and his prognosis. He knew that the survival > rate was not that high for this type of cancer, but he put up the > good fight. Around this time we were both alpha and beta testing the > Eventide Orville. I submitted a patch that I made, called BellRinger, > which I thought Richard would like for two reasons. The first is that > it's a cool patch with reverse tapped delays that build to a peak, > which is ring modulated, then the ring mod signal hits a normal delay > and fades out. The second reason is that Zvonar translates into "bell > ringer". > > I'll miss him. > > -C > > -- > Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status quo. > cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree, > http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 8 01:54:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F7713BF41; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 01:54:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=qxFolByis1XkN/Pcfpb7vdTVnmT3TqXqRttCSJNHIXKBm5JpiTWAYvuOawZSO/EV; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220058182139610@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Product reviews (was pedal abuse (was sitar)) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 22:01:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9406d662d4fe25704eabc9b7a8c7b348aa4350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.146.218 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 01:54:29 +0000 (UTC) I must take exception to the slag of the Sitar Swami pedal... true, it sucks very very hard as a sitar emulator, but if you forget all about sitar, then the pedal is a decent noisemaker. So it is not a complete turd, simply an interesting, entertaining failure ;-) ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: hazard factor > To: > Date: 8/7/2005 9:11:56 PM > Subject: RE: Product reviews (was pedal abuse (was sitar)) > > Thanks Doug, you have helped me clear out some misconceptions about the > review process. From a reader point of view, it is hard to tell 'which comes > first', the advertising or the review. I know if I do see some huge ads > around the review for the very same product, my most logical conclusion is > that "the advertiser bought 2 whole pages, so he gets a great review, > anything bad is edited out". Now, according to Per's view "if a review is > happening the ad buyer typically does request ad space on neighboring > pages.", well, this may be true, but with so many products out there, why > make it so obvious or make the reader think the advertiser 'bought' the > review? Again, it makes me think of those 'Musician's Friend' catalog > 'reviews'. A run-down of the features, followed by 'if you are looking for a > pedal like this, this may be the one to look for (!?!). > > A good example recently discussed is the Sitar Swami...there were some > *great* reviews of this thing (and full page ads) which is now considered > one of the worst pedals ever made. It was as if the reviewer never even > tried it at all. Same with the new Crossroads and Hendrix pedals. > > I realized there is a balance here- the magazine must balance ad $, with > target audience, with at least a nod towards a non-biased review process. > And space- guitar mags don't have the space that Sound on Sound does, and > music software has a lot more features than most amps. Guitar mags are > making everything shorter these days- tiny interviews (remember 12 pages in > Guitar Player about Holdsworth's Synthaxe?)...they are getting to be like > Cosmo with all the ads- oh yeah, get off my lawn... > > As far as letting the manufacturer seeing the review first- I remember > reading a review, then seeing an ad in the same mag with quotes from the > review a few pages earlier. Funny, that. It would be awesome though, for a > CD reviewer to contact the band to see if he got his facts 'straight'. But a > band doesn't have the money to take out an ad in the next issue, I am > guessing. > > My favorite reviews (and most interesting to read) were those Guitar Player > shootouts in the 80s. Manufacturers and players alike talking about a lot of > gear at once. I understand how hard that is to do, but it was still > interesting to read. Even just pitting a few different pieces of gear aimed > for the same market against each other helps me understand what one can do > and the other can't. > > I also find it interesting to know about the crap they send to you- I > honestly thought the builder would labor over a special 'review piece' to > get stuff right. > > Dave Eichenberger > http://www.hazardfactor.com > > > > > Hey Crew- > > I'm gonna try and pull a few of these posts into a single > > reply. It's l-o-o-o-o-n-n-n-n-g-g-g.... > > > > Dave Eichenberger wrote: > > > Wow, cool- for which magazine? > > I write for Guitar One, not Guitar World. (David Beardsley is > > probably remembering when I wrote for World about > > five-to-eight years ago.) More on the differences between the > > two in a moment. > > > > ...and... > > > Do they ever 'guide' or change things in your reviews? > > I have had some radical revisions made to my writing when I > > wrote for Guitar World, part of the reason why I no longer > > write for them, except in "emergency" situations. (G. World > > and G. One are owned by the same publisher now (Future > > Network) and share the same office space in Manhattan. I > > e-commute from my home on Long Island, and only go into the > > office once or twice a year.) Sometimes World will be short a > > reviewer and I'll write a review for them, but overall the > > two magazines are actually in competition with each other. I > > have not had radical revisions - or ANY significant revisions > > - made while writing for Guitar One, except for experiences > > similar to Per's comments (following). My take is, I trust my > > co-reviewers at G. One more than the guys at G. World. Even > > tho' the guys at World are nice and all, I've seen what > > they've done to my writing, soooo.... (D'ya think there's a > > "tell all" trash true story in this?) > > Per wrote: > > > Every mag has its own set of guidelines (or templates) for which > > > areas of the product a review has to go into. All Swedish magazines > > > I'm writing for usually send a copy of the manuscript to the > > > manufacturer, or product agent, before it goes to print. So if the > > > reviewer should have misunderstood something, it can be > > corrected. If > > > the product is found to suck and gets bashed in the text, the agent > > > has the chance to send in information on eventual plans for > > upgrades, > > > special customer support regarding that product etc. > > In the case of Guitar One, if we get a product that > > really sucks, we don't review it. We return it to the > > manufacturer, and I usually provide the manufacturer with a > > detailed explanation of why it was rejected. We also provide > > the manufacturer with a copy of the text before publishing > > for a "fact check." The manufacturer can (and should) correct > > any factual errors at this point, and can suggest rephrasing > > to correct misleading impressions, but I reject any attempt > > by them to sweeten or rewrite a review. > > Interestingly, I just finished a review of a Mesa Boogie Lone > > Star Special amp, and compared its 30-watt output very > > favorably to a 50- or 100-watt amp. Boogie - one of the > > coolest companies going, im my H.O. - actually requested that > > I remove the comparison because it was "too positive!" I kept > > the comparison in. > > > > Dave continues: > > > How come reviews in the 70s and 80s seemed to be a lot more honest? > > Hmmm.... Maybe because it was a newer field, and the bucks > > weren't as big...? I've got a lot of the old mags from the > > day, maybe I'll crack a few of them and see how they phrased things. > > > > > And how come, sometimes, *within the pages of a review* there are > > > full page ads for the product that is being reviewed? > > Per nailed it: > > > Any company can buy ads in a magazine. Without the income > > from selling > > > ad space there wouldn't even be possible to put out a > > magazine. And if > > > a review is happening the ad buyer typically does request > > ad space on > > > neighboring pages. > > Reviews and advertising space unfortunately go hand in hand. > > We have a limited amount of space available in the magazine > > for reviews. Advertisers get their product reviewed first. > > And placing an ad next to a review is just a perk for the advertiser. > > > > > Why do a lot of > > > reviews spend half of the words telling you the features- > > you can look > > > up the ad in the same issue to see those. > > Most ads don't explain the layout or function of the > > features. I like to integrate descriptions of features with a > > sense of a product's function. > > "The knobs do this and this, and the taper of the tone pot > > was a bit sudden..." That sort of thing. > > > > > I don't mean to get down on you, I honestly am trying to figure out > > > why reviews are either non-committal or overbearingly wonderful. I > > > know there isn't that much great stuff out there. > > You're not getting down on me/us at all, Dave! I like this > > kind of dialogue, and honestly wish the editors at my > > magazine would discuss the review process more in print. As > > to why reviews are "either non-committal or overbearingly > > wonderful," well, I would hope that mine *range* from non-com > > to wonder. As I said earlier, we don't review stuff that's > > flawed or really sub-standard. And quite honestly, I believe > > that there *is* a lot of great stuff out there. I'm amazed at > > the quality of the Korean and Chinese guitars, and effects > > processors are getting better with each new product. > > Also note that Guitar One has its "One" Award, which I only > > give to about one out of five or six products. With our > > magazine, you can look at it this > > way: If the product is getting a review at all, it's decent. > > If I point out specific flaws in a review, there is cause for > > concern. If the review is non-committal, then the product > > didn't excite me. The more excited my prose, the more > > positive I felt about the product. And if it gets the "One" > > Award, it's truly exceptional. You can also *hear* the > > product on our magazine's CD. When I review a product, I > > record it myself, so you can hear *me* putting the product > > through its paces. Really good products inspire better > > playing on my part. > > > > > I honestly think it would be cool for a magazine to review > > the whole > > > purchase process...from store to home. Go to a store, buy > > the product, > > bring > > > it home. You get to review the salesperson, the condition of the > > equipment, > > > as well as the item. > > Personally, I'm not interested in the "store" aspect. It > > would be very easy to get buddy-buddy with a reviewer and be > > sure he/she gets preferential treatment. And stores are > > *local.* The guys on 48th St. in Manhattan are a whole > > different animal than the yobbos in the 'burbs, who are yet > > again different from a mom 'n' pop in the country. On the > > other hand, I do take packaging and manufacturer response > > into account, although it might not appear specifically in print. > > > > > They wouldn't be hand picked items the manufacturer sends. > > Ah, Ha, ha, ha! Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! You should see some of > > the crap that gets sent to me. You would *think* the > > manufacturer would send something special, something tweaked > > just right, with a better grade of wood, a flawless finish, > > knobs tight and fresh batteries. You would think, and you > > would be wrong. So we either send it back, or point it out in > > the review. > > And by the way, I think Harmony Central is the coolest > > thing in the world. If you're gonna drop some coin on a > > product, check out what HC posters say. Believe me, I often > > cross-check my evaluation with HC posts to be sure I've > > covered everything, or captured the vibe of the product correctly. > > > > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > > coyotelk@optonline.net > > > > "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a > > long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and > > good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." > > --- Hunter S. Thompson > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 8 02:00:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C44DF3BF45; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 02:00:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Product reviews (was pedal abuse (was sitar)) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 22:00:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <410-220058182139610@earthlink.net> Thread-Index: AcWbvB1w7mGYAiY3QL+8ONXByufIjQAAHs9A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Message-ID: <0MKoyl-1E1wvm3JWR-0002HU@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 02:00:00 +0000 (UTC) Hehe, I don't mean to further the slagging of this pedal- it sounds pretty twisted in a good way, but you are right, nothing like a sitar- which is why it is slagged so much. I guess that is why it 'failed', because people bought it expecting to play real sitar sounds with it. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > I must take exception to the slag of the Sitar Swami > pedal... true, it > sucks very very hard as a sitar emulator, but if you forget > all about sitar, then the pedal is a decent noisemaker. So it > is not a complete turd, simply an interesting, entertaining > failure ;-) ~Tim > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 8 02:44:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC3B43BF36; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 02:44:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" Subject: The PiNG presents Nilan Perera and CJ Boyd Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 22:50:17 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000301c59bc3$e9020980$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 02:44:50 +0000 (UTC) THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday August 9th - Nilan Perera and CJ Boyd Toronto experimental guitarist Nilan Perera has been an active member of the Canadian creative music and performance scene since 1983 and has been involved in some of the most forward-looking, influential and radical ensembles of the past 19 years including NOMA, Bill Grove's Not King Fudge, Handslang and the Excalceolators. He has also performed and recorded with Vinnie Golia, Don Preston, Mary Margaret O'Hara, Glen Hall, John Oswald, Vinx, Al MacDowell and Michael Ondaatje.=20 Perera is currently a member of trip-hop group Lal=82 prepared guitar = trio Ferrobaci (with Wiens and Bill Parsons), electroacoustic/improv duo Smash and Teeny (with Sara Peebles) and radio art duo FaMished America (w/Susanna Hood) as well as performing & composing as a soloist on = guitar.=20 http://www.sarahpeebles.net/cinn_bio_perera.htm Visiting the PiNG from Nashville, Tennessee using just a bass and a loop pedal, solo bassist CJ Boyd creates oceans of sound - melancholic, pensive, evocative. Virtuosity is balanced by a sense for the unlocked emotional powers of the bass used as a solo instrument. Tending toward teary and haunting strains, the music will melt, hypnotize, and heal you in one sitting. http://www.cjboyd.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday August 16th - THE AMBiENT PiNG's 6th Anniversary Special featuring Zo=EB Keating & mara's torment http://www.zoekeating.com http://www.marastorment.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ||: IN THE LOOP :|| by Luna Tek GeekWeekend (Rob Hoare and Steven Sauve) arrived at THE AMBiENT PiNG on the heels of the August long weekend, delighting their audience with a playful approach to improvisational performance. The duo used elements of chance - such as rolling dice - to direct their responses to word-structures extracted from Rob=92s upcoming CD (due to be = released this fall). Rob and Steven presented two gorgeous sets of music that defied =96 or perhaps redefined =96 typical attempts at categorization. Their electronica-meets-bebop stylings were the all the more sublime for Rob=92s haunting flute sections. As Sauve's Absynthe creations drifted across his keyboard rhythms, Hoare processed his saxophone though Reaktor patches in his laptop, transforming its sound into didgeridoos and utterly unexpected tonalities. Tonight's performance belied the veneer of cool lurking beneath GeekWeekend's pocket protector fa=E7ade. More info: http://www.robhoare.de + http://www.karmafarm.ca *** iPOP PING magazine is shaping up to be a wide ranging, whimsical collection of ambient thoughts, experimental attitudes and innovative art. Articles, poetry and art submissions are welcome until August 19 at this address: luna@theambientping.com - Luna Tek. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Settings" by Thinkbox Thinkbox describe themselves as "a self-curating media collective, created to explore technological works and contemporary media". I find this to be a fascinating and noble ideal, one that they manifest to great effect in their release "Settings". Using tracks created independently by individual members of the collective, "Settings" is a powerful display of the Thinkbox aesthetic. Chris McNamara's "Martahaus" is a sparse drone based piece that pulses and flows with it's own internal rhythm before leading into radio transmissions from distant broadcasts. It's a very cool and very haunting piece in an industrialised way. Bill Van Loo checks in with "A Glimpse", a lovely chill piece based around simple bell and piano textures and forms. He takes a very minimalist approach to environment, which comes out surprisingly effective nonetheless. "No Good Way to Say it But I'll Try" by Mark Laliberte is a fascinating sound collage, an interesting blend of tones and shapes that evokes an image slowly coming into focus. I very much like the way this piece progresses and develops. "Convergent" by Christopher Bissonnette reminds me of grainy Pixelvision movie footage, perhaps something out of a Wim Wenders film. Melodies swim up to the surface and then duck back down again beneath the waves of sound. It's haunting and beautiful & altogether = cool. A second track by Mark Laliberte, "Diagram of a Cell", is a lovely showing of glitchy abstract forms and shapes laid overtop a slight pulse. Another excellent piece by Laliberte. Steve Roy checks in with "Miscommunication", a cleverly applied collection of telephone based samples. It's a nice example of soundsource work sure to attract the attention of the legion of Aube fans out there. "Your Reply (One Year Later)" by Rob Theakston is a very beautiful & fragile piece, a delicate weaving of sounds broken by a brittle latticework of clicks and scratches. Beautiful, but regrettably too short for my liking. I would have really enjoyed seeing this piece stretch out and develop. Steve Roy also contributes "Doppler" an interesting take on spatial dynamics. It's a clever and well-presented track that I found thoroughly engaging. "Untitled Bass Improv" by Bill Van Loo is a quivering gelatinous mass of a song, shaky notes burbling and gurgling and shifting in & out of synch with each other. This is a good thing by the way and I find the track thoroughly enjoyable. I feel that saying "Oblique" by Christopher Bissonnette is a study in oblique motion is both an understatement and redundant. Suffice to say that it's a very well presented piece that explores movement and space within a confined environment. Very satisfying. "Williamsburg, Tuesday" by Chris McNamara closes the disc, a wall of sound where a thousand different ideas (or maybe only a few...) come together at the same time. Listen closely and you can distinguish specific noises, or listen less attentively and let them all surround you at once. I can't help but feel a sense of exploration and discovery listening to "Settings", a feeling that previously existing environments and atmospheres exist independent of our awareness, but through the efforts of Thinkbox they are ours to be found in our own ways, in our own time. Truly inspiring and truly inspired, "Settings" is a very strong work by a very talented group of artists. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com =3D ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 8 05:26:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3795A3BF48; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 05:26:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <0MKp2t-1E1wBG2dhV-000899@mrelay.perfora.net> References: <0MKp2t-1E1wBG2dhV-000899@mrelay.perfora.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <865A823B-12E4-4A8C-BC8D-230F29CDEC2F@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Product reviews (was pedal abuse (was sitar)) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 22:26:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 05:26:00 +0000 (UTC) On Aug 7, 2005, at 6:12 PM, hazard factor wrote: > Guitar mags are > making everything shorter these days- tiny interviews (remember 12 > pages in > Guitar Player about Holdsworth's Synthaxe?) > I was looking at a Guitar Player from 1986 or so with an interview with Fripp and was amazed at the amount of text. I've been blaming the change on Adobe. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 8 08:13:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 997F13BF39; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 08:13:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Zvonar the poet laureate? Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 10:12:58 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <410-2200581815227990@earthlink.net> X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Mon, 08 Aug 2005 10:06:48 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.85.14 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 08:13:33 +0000 (UTC) http://alumweb.mit.edu/classes/1967/reunions/poems.html ------------------- I remember when The Heinz '57' sign Changed to '69' ------------------- was it our Richard Zvonar who studied at MIT in 67? here's a bunch of Haikus (most of them about fellow students and teachers such as Norbert Wiener) ... -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 8 13:40:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B28273BF16; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 13:40:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=o/y0ixg3qYQqk2RY1Si1a/NECkstGKDMAspP7JjRxVTC9fA+K5wy5LKz7RnRIQWwUozvUbmgnm34RI4lodJO6c6hEXLEmqw1ond21b8gnNgvK24b2mlo48RVSvw5NORDvSWXFSTw3TI8Y3sHxoo8NRmoGtKoaQZ5H5ekoHGB46o= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 06:40:23 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Product reviews (was pedal abuse (was sitar)) In-Reply-To: <865A823B-12E4-4A8C-BC8D-230F29CDEC2F@baymoon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <0MKp2t-1E1wBG2dhV-000899@mrelay.perfora.net> <865A823B-12E4-4A8C-BC8D-230F29CDEC2F@baymoon.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4FnoTD.A.htH.MD29CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 13:40:28 +0000 (UTC) I don't think it's just guitar magaizines--print media overall is catering to a more television/internet-oriented attention span and idea of "feature pacing". TH On 8/7/05, Mark Hamburg wrote: > On Aug 7, 2005, at 6:12 PM, hazard factor wrote: >=20 >=20 > > Guitar mags are > > making everything shorter these days- tiny interviews (remember 12 > > pages in > > Guitar Player about Holdsworth's Synthaxe?) > > >=20 > I was looking at a Guitar Player from 1986 or so with an interview > with Fripp and was amazed at the amount of text. I've been blaming > the change on Adobe. >=20 > Mark >=20 >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 8 14:11:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3396A3BF16; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 14:11:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YV+nvuBV8hKiUwT1ZuH00zUUMhUxPIp2eNh7M02eW1welzALIfwZqqatm0IvxCwT0ZOptEOGOo7a/FJxzkRx2Uqtc/38h0aKGw1qM0ovxirbgiMJELCcMQ8453MnINiZYZAMNsjq1ZcnPyUXTc1rSDIaUebq56eCpctyCR7GkWU= Message-ID: <64b81a7805080807118fa968c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 10:11:55 -0400 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Product reviews (was pedal abuse (was sitar)) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <0MKp2t-1E1wBG2dhV-000899@mrelay.perfora.net> <865A823B-12E4-4A8C-BC8D-230F29CDEC2F@baymoon.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 14:11:57 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, but the problem is that with less meaningful content they lose their audience. If the magazine reads like ad copy & soundbites, why should I even bother reading it? Todd On 8/8/05, Travis Hartnett wrote: > I don't think it's just guitar magaizines--print media overall is > catering to a more television/internet-oriented attention span and > idea of "feature pacing". >=20 > TH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 8 14:42:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C87F3BF2A; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 14:42:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FCxAclBYRoBE+VElasmuBvKXt7Udt76Ilw+3AOt2yBMgxYLZaUcrpYTAuACmukL9PaupcKw2UHaaCzXdyFSNC9yhIWU1Yf2Yhy8CWfqdI3tbPt7OwER6BPUL1iiynID3NHe8Isxbm2O5jVeKyG10G7ORHlOEPFeWaN6hkQJBjnE= ; Message-ID: <20050808144206.60371.qmail@web30015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 07:42:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Cole Subject: software that emulates Echoplex DP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 14:42:08 +0000 (UTC) Please forgive me if I've overlooked a link on the LD site that compares available software with the EDP. I imagine this topic must've been covered extensively here. I've been looking a bit in the archives for guidance but haven't yet found such through search queries I've tried (I'd appreciate referrals to specific past related threads in the archives, too). Lately I've been asking some looping musicians for their advice about software to do looping live-on-the-fly like the Echoplex. In your opinion, is there anything out there that compares favorably with the EDP in terms of functions, ease of use, interface etc.? ...I was considering setting up a system with a looper, mixer, and reverb on a lap top for portability. So far the advice I've gotten indicates sticking with a dedicated looping unit like my 'plex for the time being. I say "like the Echoplex" only because all of my direct experience with looping so far is with that unit, but if there's software out there that you think is useful for live performance that doesn't necessarily work in the same way as the EDP, I'm curious about that, too. Thanks for your advice, help and guidance, ~Jim Cole http://www.spectralvoices.com ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 8 15:11:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0B293BF37; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:11:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20050808144206.60371.qmail@web30015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050808144206.60371.qmail@web30015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2515a4c64a514d6c28a013759d347360@gmx.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: nico spahni Subject: Re: software that emulates Echoplex DP Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 17:11:49 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:11:08 +0000 (UTC) Jim, I must admit I've never used EDP and am not too familiar with its functions. However, you might want to check out the following site: http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustusloop.html Cheers Nico Am 08.08.2005 um 16:42 schrieb Jim Cole: > Please forgive me if I've overlooked a link on the LD > site that compares available software with the EDP. > > I imagine this topic must've been covered extensively > here. I've been looking a bit in the archives for > guidance but haven't yet found such through search > queries I've tried (I'd appreciate referrals to > specific past related threads in the archives, too). > > Lately I've been asking some looping musicians for > their advice about software to do looping > live-on-the-fly like the Echoplex. In your opinion, > is there anything out there that compares favorably > with the EDP in terms of functions, ease of use, > interface etc.? > > ...I was considering setting up a system with a > looper, mixer, and reverb on a lap top for > portability. So far the advice I've gotten indicates > sticking with a dedicated looping unit like my 'plex > for the time being. > > I say "like the Echoplex" only because all of my > direct experience with looping so far is with that > unit, but if there's software out there that you think > is useful for live performance that doesn't > necessarily work in the same way as the EDP, I'm > curious about that, too. > > Thanks for your advice, help and guidance, > > ~Jim Cole > > http://www.spectralvoices.com > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 8 15:17:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D84423BF41; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:17:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: software that emulates Echoplex DP Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 09:17:41 -0600 Message-ID: <003a01c59c2c$51f5e250$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20050808144206.60371.qmail@web30015.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 121, in=389, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 15:17:47 +0000 (UTC) http://www.zonemobius.com/ "Mobius is a program for the real-time creation and manipulation of audio loops. It has functionality based on the venerable Echoplex Digital Pro with Loop IV software. While not technically an emulator, it does implement many of the Loop IV features, as well as a number of useful new features. Mobius is essentially 8 synchronized stereo EDP's with the ability to copy loops and timing between them. Extensive MIDI and computer keyboard control is available. Audio content may be saved to and loaded from files. " Or, if you want to see the list I compiled for LD, based on input from everyone, there is this (Kim, can you make a page for this?): 1. SooperLooper - A live looping sampler capable of immediate loop recording, overdubbing, multiplying, reversing and more. It allows for multiple simultaneous multi-channel loops limited only by your computer's available memory. The feature-set and operation was inspired by the impressive Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP). Not VST, but a stand-alone program. Currently supported on Linux and Mac OS X, and any other platforms that support JACK. Not supported on XP, but is supposed to be in the future. . http://essej.net/sooperlooper/ 2. Mobius - A program for the real-time creation and manipulation of audio loops. It has functionality based on the venerable Echoplex Digital Pro with Loop IV software. Runs as stand-alone and as VST. Supported on Windows XP, 2000, and NT. http://www.zonemobius.com/ 3. ELOTTRONIX XL - A VST plugin which emulates the famous Robert Fripp's effect called "Frippertronics": Two Revox B-77 making a continuous loop. Supported on PCs (MAC uncertain). http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm 4. ELOTTRONIX - A VST plugin which emulates the famous Robert Fripp's effect called "Frippertronics": Two Revox B-77 making a continuous loop (2-8 seconds delay). Supported on PCs (MAC uncertain). http://www.uv.es/%7Eruizcan/p_vst.htm 5. Lexicon PSP 42 - A high-quality digital stereo delay and phrase sampler plug-in (VST, DirectX RTAS for PC; VST and RTAS for Mac OS classic and AudioUnit, VST and RTAS for Mac OSX) based on the legendary Lexicon PCM 42 processor and famous for its distinctive sound and unique concept . Supported on PC, Mac OS classic, and Mac OSX. http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/psp42.html 6. Augustus Loop - An emulation of a tape-based delay effect, with some extra features to facilitate its use as a looping device. Runs as a stand-alone, not VST. http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustusloop.html 7. Loopy Llama v0.802 - It's a looper... made to emulate the Jam Man or DL-4 (VST plugin). Supported on Windows and MAC OSX. http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/LoopyLlama/ or http://www.rekliner.com/?PageID=14 8. Ambiloop - A Windows software application that uses your sound card to create smoothly overlapping loops of sound in real-time. Ambiloop basically functions like a multi-track endless audio tape loop or digital delay box with feedback. Simply set the desired loop time for a track (or use manual mode to set loop times on-the-fly) and press the record button. Supported on Windows. http://evenfall.com/ambiloop/ 9. AngstroLooper - A ridiculously long delay; it partly emulates an old style tape loop system, but rather than trying to model something that it isn't, AngstroLooper is designed to be easy to use tool on a laptop while playing live. Functions as a VST plugin. Supported on Windows. http://plugins.timeshard.com/angstrolooper/ 10. Musolomo - An "interactive sampler" released as an OSX AU (Windows VST supposedly forthcoming). It also has an Autoloop mode, which will allow you to record and overdub sound-on-sound much like a hardware Looper. Supported on Windows and MAC OS X. http://www.plasq.com 11. Coldcutter - A VST 2.0 plugin. The Coldcutter is designed to chop a loop into a number of slices or 'cuts' and rearranges them randomly in real-time according to a number of parameters. The current version of the Coldcutter was primarily designed for use with Ableton Live 1.5 but works with Cubase. It has undergone preliminary testing on Cubase VST 5.0 R4 and Cubase SX 1.01 on Windows 2000. Any information about compatibility problems with other hosts or versions of Windows gratefully received. Supported on Windows. http://www.brightonart.org/coldcutter.shtml 12. Loopitch (name subject to change: suggestions accepted) - A long-period high-feedback looping machine, akin to continuous tape loops in "the old days" or digital Jam Man or Echoplex of today. Now all the Fripp and Torn wannabes out there can have fun with a MIDI controllable looper within a sequencing host! Loopitch currently works as a DXi2 instrument under SONAR 2 (my only test platform!), and will likely play well with other DXi hosts. The VSTi version works identically via the FXpansion adapter, but is otherwise mostly untested in VST hosts. Supported on Windows. http://www.tencrazy.com/gadgets/loopitch/ 13. Freewheeling - FreeWheeling is a new way to be In The Muse-ical Moment. It is a live looping instrument that returns us to the joy of making music spontaneously. FreeWheeling allows us to build repetitive grooves by sampling and directing loops from within spirited improvisation. FreeWheeling works because it is built from the perspective of an improviser. It takes us out of mice and menus, and into our own process of making sound. FreeWheeling is open source software, released under the GNU GPL license. I hope that this will help FreeWheeling grow into a robust platform for live looping. For Linux only. Uses the JACK, ALSA, SDL, OGG, or FluidSynth libraries. http://freewheeling.sourceforge.net/#what 14. Divine Machine - Born from the ideas of two music professionals who were unsatisfied with the current loop software, Devine Machine VSTi allows you to spontaneously and effortlessly explore the possibilities from loops you already own. Hundreds of presets allow you to create variation on any loop with a single click. Drum mode allows you to have loops match precisely with independent control over groove, tempo, and score. Supported on Windows / Pentium systems. http://www.devine-machine.com/home.html K- -----Original Message----- From: Jim Cole [mailto:thejimcole@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 8:42 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: software that emulates Echoplex DP Please forgive me if I've overlooked a link on the LD site that compares available software with the EDP. I imagine this topic must've been covered extensively here. I've been looking a bit in the archives for guidance but haven't yet found such through search queries I've tried (I'd appreciate referrals to specific past related threads in the archives, too). Lately I've been asking some looping musicians for their advice about software to do looping live-on-the-fly like the Echoplex. In your opinion, is there anything out there that compares favorably with the EDP in terms of functions, ease of use, interface etc.? ...I was considering setting up a system with a looper, mixer, and reverb on a lap top for portability. So far the advice I've gotten indicates sticking with a dedicated looping unit like my 'plex for the time being. I say "like the Echoplex" only because all of my direct experience with looping so far is with that unit, but if there's software out there that you think is useful for live performance that doesn't necessarily work in the same way as the EDP, I'm curious about that, too. Thanks for your advice, help and guidance, ~Jim Cole http://www.spectralvoices.com ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 8 16:15:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3488E3BF43; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 16:15:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vSQlnrjU/IwoIpKuRGjaw1mLdwaeaNSFAvcus4l9/dsEjjjBhSEbonIDk6mMA/0Y9CDC44X458Nfip6/GQOF8SSO9f9Z3K1QjMyrJ7dPr6+PXGdEsxlWQM7CblKpe+zhv151LmpJvZlBPoZY349sico1D6x3jNPeYx9TYxzoa6M= ; Message-ID: <20050808161528.25471.qmail@web60115.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 09:15:28 -0700 (PDT) From: eric napier Subject: Boomerang Question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-646561213-1123517728=:25224" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 16:15:29 +0000 (UTC) --0-646561213-1123517728=:25224 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ever have a problem w/ the level wheel getting scratchy and static-y? I assume this is a common problem as the thing is out on the floor and exposed quite frequently - any quick fixes for taking care of this problem? Regular old tuner cleaner would prob do it - but where should I spray it? Take the thing apart? Any advice much appreciated, thanks. It's getting annoying, cause I like to mess w/ the level of loops alot. --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-646561213-1123517728=:25224 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
 Ever have a problem w/ the level wheel getting scratchy and static-y? I assume this is a common problem as the thing is out on the floor and exposed quite frequently - any quick fixes for taking care of this problem? Regular old tuner cleaner would prob do it - but where should I spray it? Take the thing apart?

Any advice much appreciated, thanks. It's getting annoying, cause I like to mess w/ the level of loops alot.

Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-646561213-1123517728=:25224-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 8 17:39:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A61C3BF40; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 17:39:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=KZhHOyGrmtCJpj1icode/uJwvh1yPVFzTH8G5CS7rpDIOwcn1Mu0/UJp/KsUaEkyzo5fU3H3zY63PmFTFDwQduGHs98SepVYn1CZWBR9jpr5/cJo03tb3aGv0nFBnlyB990MiwJCJnr23jH3Uj75flTwO/CBtomLII1+z+4yDII= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 10:39:54 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EDP's arriving at Alto Music Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <-QPUB.A.8MG.sj59CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 17:39:56 +0000 (UTC) I just got a call from them saying that they're expecting a shipment, so if anyone's looking for one at the best price, act quickly. TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 8 20:35:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2B933BF37; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 20:35:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WCvAlC1zaQqw3hXUk6mvK4nT4IcScgeGxxnql+yxou9O0yJrkAL54irNUSyl6TmYIG4+Ysi3/ZUMrq8cTV1xKqfrf9FP4IKAFJYhrPvrEbLZAzJLZuACn25+2sfQgCPgnTX4sx8tgz/epmcLbEQvrcl23dmsVs/7JIonO8OvVg8= ; Message-ID: <20050808203508.45945.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 13:35:08 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: EDP's arriving at Alto Music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 20:35:09 +0000 (UTC) Really? Then why does the Electrix site say, "... next year." That said... putting your name and info in the loop at Alto music won't hurt as they only charge your card when they ship it and could get you in on the first batch they get. I'm sure it all depends on how many they have on order and how many of us have already committed. I stopped counting after the first few but there were quite a bunch of us. Mark --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > I just got a call from them saying that they're > expecting a shipment, > so if anyone's looking for one at the best price, > act quickly. > > TravisH > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 8 20:39:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B09FD3BF1B; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 20:39:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42F7C2FD.3000500@biink.com> Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 16:39:25 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP's arriving at Alto Music References: <20050808203508.45945.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050808203508.45945.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 20:39:08 +0000 (UTC) mark sottilaro wrote: >Really? Then why does the Electrix site say, "... >next year." > Since when does Electrix make the EDP? An EDP is an Echoplex, right? -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com/db From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 8 20:46:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1F173BF0F; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 20:46:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Wgkypj0FVvUaYptc8ip+IEN2E1+NVmVCLzGCTq4nVnJ9yJr2im024BEb2Ahvq4wq+AJb3JvR61k8GUOKE5tcNLsVBQi1cPqt8fNMcfiCPGzd0sfMOe40wLbQwXaeSKOlwFTOj9Rs3LUxZ0bQ3/LE17bEbhG5NRsD4p8mcAg+nyw= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 13:46:44 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP's arriving at Alto Music In-Reply-To: <42F7C2FD.3000500@biink.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050808203508.45945.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> <42F7C2FD.3000500@biink.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 20:46:46 +0000 (UTC) Yes, "EDP"=3D"Echoplex Digital Pro". Alto is getting some Echoplexes, not the Repeater. On 8/8/05, David Beardsley wrote: > mark sottilaro wrote: >=20 > >Really? Then why does the Electrix site say, "... > >next year." > > > Since when does Electrix make the EDP? An EDP is an Echoplex, right? >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 8 21:09:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 635883BF2F; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 21:09:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nKlOHsWB9jFXw78/GaO2mro9GlInf9E7wDDN3BQIoBSvvJ23pT0/eJd9WmC4aiqS2d7lXhzsJ8cWEftI2O1FpwB3LvEJ6jMa+6G4ltVyY2bg9HAR7rMJgeo+XzxkKVHANNNqs2wyRAXfnu63MvRmKMEIUetA86JHW1mdaFqk6YY= ; Message-ID: <20050808210920.40301.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 14:09:20 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: EDP's arriving at Alto Music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 21:09:26 +0000 (UTC) Opps. Duh. Sorry. I wasn't awear there was a shortage of EDPs for this to be news and glazed right over it after the last thread about Alto. Mark --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > Yes, "EDP"="Echoplex Digital Pro". Alto is getting > some Echoplexes, > not the Repeater. > > On 8/8/05, David Beardsley wrote: > > mark sottilaro wrote: > > > > >Really? Then why does the Electrix site say, > "... > > >next year." > > > > > Since when does Electrix make the EDP? An EDP is > an Echoplex, right? > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 8 21:13:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC6953BF54; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 21:13:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopersdelight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ByWDPRogWWOqIZnpLVLyWeUgctKf20T45BDEP46IZMZwYHZMvPQIppyRN7MCOy6unNrXE/fMzzoQ9UhooCHfDV0BHejClLri/ZGjo8axlNEk7RSwYhLrnGK1Ukof8l4dWJQMFcr/QknsHfuisTa7F+E+y0MSXlCkL27HDPPB92Q= ; Message-ID: <20050808211335.30705.qmail@web32509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 14:13:35 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: just out of reach To: Loopers-Delight@loopersdelight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1312344969-1123535615=:30668" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7VHZ6C.A.6VF.Bs89CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 21:13:37 +0000 (UTC) --0-1312344969-1123535615=:30668 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit sheesh what a bummer knowing there is all this cool gear i cant get my hands on/EDPs/lappys/chapman sticks/harp guitars...well on the bright side at least i know its out there... money kills art. --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-1312344969-1123535615=:30668 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
sheesh what a bummer knowing there is all this cool gear i cant get my hands on/EDPs/lappys/chapman sticks/harp guitars...well on the bright side at least i know its out there... money kills art.  

Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-1312344969-1123535615=:30668-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 8 21:50:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 719163BF49; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 21:50:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopersdelight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CXXY6QSN4H/dMaxGyIxIYd5qaOSFwAMzK5IVeltslpWDqLsBSgWSYhmdp3kP7BJzj6dbW3H+Rgwi0q/MbrMcU9uDz+N8Xx5monU+mRMxFNgHdzmwqIiEMu1TJQeAil/X7c9w9lOWntQAvEMg2XBgYeqZC3j0HrdOjI2ONAP7KKM= ; Message-ID: <20050808215037.92819.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 14:50:37 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: just out of reach To: Loopers-Delight@loopersdelight.com In-Reply-To: <20050808211335.30705.qmail@web32509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 21:50:38 +0000 (UTC) It's a poor man who blames his tools... or lack there of When I was broke I make nice loops on a used Digitech 8 sec pedal... but mostly I had to scramble to make rent. I play a LOT more now that I ditched the idea of using music as a means to feed myself. I'm doing decently for the first time in my life and the only thing that I find IS a setback is having too many choices with what to make music with. Having limits can be a good thing, but you don't need to be broke. Frankly a lot of the full time original (not cover bands) musicians I knew who were surviving had some sort of invisable means of support like a trust fund, day job or mate/parent moochage situation that allowed them to have a place to live and lots of time to practice... at least that's how they started. My response to you is, "get a day job" and spend as much of your time away from it making music and don't get fooled by the latest greatest. There are tons of ebay bargains out there that will make wonderful sounds until you're getting your big advance from your record company. --- daniel stevenson wrote: > sheesh what a bummer knowing there is all this cool > gear i cant get my hands on/EDPs/lappys/chapman > sticks/harp guitars...well on the bright side at > least i know its out there... money kills art. > > > --------------------------------- > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 8 23:10:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6B793BF4F; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 23:10:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <00ce01c59c6d$e4124ca0$579efe91@inap> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: References: <20050808215037.92819.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: just out of reach Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 00:57:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 23:10:26 +0000 (UTC) I think the more options you have the less creative you are. When I had just a dearly loved Jamman I used it to death and created some really great music with it. Now that I have a stereo pair of fully loaded EDPs I hardly find myself using them. I used to create great tracks with just one simple sampling keyboard, a Jamman and some FX... I ought to get rid of some stuff, I guess 8-). Like Brian Eno once said, it´s limitations that force you to be creative. and like a friend of mine once said, make music with what you have, not with what you´d like to have. You sure have some friends who´d borrow you some equipment, even if it´s no Chapman stick, no Warr TSG and no what-have-you 8-). A good musician could even get something decently musical out of a comb 8-). Stephen. "I´m striving for the mysterious. The obvious doesn´t interest me." (Jon Hassell) Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com ----- Original Message ----- From: mark sottilaro To: Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:50 PM Subject: Re: just out of reach > It's a poor man who blames his tools... or lack there > of When I was broke I make nice loops on a used > Digitech 8 sec pedal... but mostly I had to scramble > to make rent. I play a LOT more now that I ditched > the idea of using music as a means to feed myself. > I'm doing decently for the first time in my life and > the only thing that I find IS a setback is having too > many choices with what to make music with. Having > limits can be a good thing, but you don't need to be > broke. > > Frankly a lot of the full time original (not cover > bands) musicians I knew who were surviving had some > sort of invisable means of support like a trust fund, > day job or mate/parent moochage situation that allowed > them to have a place to live and lots of time to > practice... at least that's how they started. > > My response to you is, "get a day job" and spend as > much of your time away from it making music and don't > get fooled by the latest greatest. There are tons of > ebay bargains out there that will make wonderful > sounds until you're getting your big advance from your > record company. > > --- daniel stevenson wrote: > > > sheesh what a bummer knowing there is all this cool > > gear i cant get my hands on/EDPs/lappys/chapman > > sticks/harp guitars...well on the bright side at > > least i know its out there... money kills art. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 8 23:20:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A7633BF56; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 23:20:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=je9GiH6a4/QhtRpmw35voND6G3Bj4c7299Zhox2kZJMWEprKThCO443fRRraXGaLC+y+v1T+P2HpiWf4Q57FyHkcod0u2r1v0fqgIu+hBsyYatYR86QhCXljkpzWxhyIwgFGau1Ws8n/VG2/sWc5NyB3/a6WJAkRUJp1qliRjaI= ; Message-ID: <20050808232005.74921.qmail@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 16:20:05 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: just out of reach To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050808215037.92819.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1800013861-1123543205=:74699" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <4QWX5B.A.jHB.ni-9CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 23:20:08 +0000 (UTC) --0-1800013861-1123543205=:74699 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit yea but a paint set witout any primary colors wont do for making anythink ecept shades of grey...i may be infected with loopers envy,but i want an oompha loompha and i want it now,,,damn near go down on a law~man for an gibson echoplex digital pro!i still love my dl4 she popped my cherry but---but man those edp's are making me drool...;)'''''' mark sottilaro wrote:It's a poor man who blames his tools... or lack there of When I was broke I make nice loops on a used Digitech 8 sec pedal... but mostly I had to scramble to make rent. I play a LOT more now that I ditched the idea of using music as a means to feed myself. I'm doing decently for the first time in my life and the only thing that I find IS a setback is having too many choices with what to make music with. Having limits can be a good thing, but you don't need to be broke. Frankly a lot of the full time original (not cover bands) musicians I knew who were surviving had some sort of invisable means of support like a trust fund, day job or mate/parent moochage situation that allowed them to have a place to live and lots of time to practice... at least that's how they started. My response to you is, "get a day job" and spend as much of your time away from it making music and don't get fooled by the latest greatest. There are tons of ebay bargains out there that will make wonderful sounds until you're getting your big advance from your record company. --- daniel stevenson wrote: > sheesh what a bummer knowing there is all this cool > gear i cant get my hands on/EDPs/lappys/chapman > sticks/harp guitars...well on the bright side at > least i know its out there... money kills art. > > > --------------------------------- > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. --0-1800013861-1123543205=:74699 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
yea but a paint set witout any primary colors wont do for making anythink ecept shades of grey...i may be infected with loopers envy,but i want an oompha loompha and i want it now,,,damn near go down on a law~man for an gibson echoplex digital pro!i still love my dl4 she popped my cherry but---but man those edp's are making me drool...;)''''''

mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
It's a poor man who blames his tools... or lack there
of When I was broke I make nice loops on a used
Digitech 8 sec pedal... but mostly I had to scramble
to make rent. I play a LOT more now that I ditched
the idea of using music as a means to feed myself.
I'm doing decently for the first time in my life and
the only thing that I find IS a setback is having too
many choices with what to make music with. Having
limits can be a good thing, but you don't need to be
broke.

Frankly a lot of the full time original (not cover
bands) musicians I knew who were surviving had some
sort of invisable means of support like a trust fund,
day job or mate/parent moochage situation that allowed
them to have a place to live and lots of time to
practice... at least that's how they started.

My response to you is, "get a day job" and spend as
much of your time away from it making music and don't
get fooled by the latest greatest. There are tons of
ebay bargains out there that will make wonderful
sounds until you're getting your big advance from your
record company.

--- daniel stevenson wrote:

> sheesh what a bummer knowing there is all this cool
> gear i cant get my hands on/EDPs/lappys/chapman
> sticks/harp guitars...well on the bright side at
> least i know its out there... money kills art.
>
>
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Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. --0-1800013861-1123543205=:74699-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 8 23:43:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D49593BF4D; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 23:43:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5ks+a7gXoKdN7KLnErpyNtmCOYuBL9MKJYfcosc/uo9pLg4bTrC/C8slHr7fn1pUUW261GWG3/MSpzjJlxX4cBbz8F2EY1yLnAed++LWFUhj2F9YpaNNWPQb6fk6StYrlNCJhbIhEz89TME7s6QUtbl4DNZPM+8EhOBmesejt2Q= ; Message-ID: <20050808233914.75341.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 16:39:13 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: just out of reach To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050808232005.74921.qmail@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 23:43:32 +0000 (UTC) You're talking to a man who loves to do black and white photography... ok, I also have a really nice looper too. ;) Don't worry, it will come in time. Maybe put aside the idea of a couple of EDPs and try for a more modestly priced Boomerang or used JamMan... I loved my JamMan. --- daniel stevenson wrote: > yea but a paint set witout any primary colors wont > do for making anythink ecept shades of grey... ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 8 23:47:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 291D23BF52; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 23:47:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cD6O7O4vLKKiQQAp+rL1Mcc9lMTCKiQ67Cq16O+evT2AKW5Q5uXAGuEbLlZ3hZFiv1lXz0xB8AAKAor0xkTv88cREOzwhKg8w+WTz6gHoe1kfLxyy696Fz8b7fYjGnwrCQOdEzDRR6ECxuBpNT+JJDmhZocc3CE7MTxb+MsH7jQ= ; Message-ID: <20050808234757.82524.qmail@web32510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 16:47:56 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: just out of reach To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00ce01c59c6d$e4124ca0$579efe91@inap> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-268933075-1123544876=:71432" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_7ulaB.A.DBC.t8-9CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 23:47:58 +0000 (UTC) --0-268933075-1123544876=:71432 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit yes its true.If i still had all my cool gear and all that easy money i would still be just another generic guitar player without soul or substance.now relfecting on my downward spiral to the oblivian of addiction and having lost everything i held dear is cathardic to me.starting over with nothing is humbling and good for art,yet i dont recomend suffering to find self worth.i wouldnt be as in touch with my feelings/art without it...i still want a edp Wavecomputer360 wrote:I think the more options you have the less creative you are. When I had just a dearly loved Jamman I used it to death and created some really great music with it. Now that I have a stereo pair of fully loaded EDPs I hardly find myself using them. I used to create great tracks with just one simple sampling keyboard, a Jamman and some FX... I ought to get rid of some stuff, I guess 8-). Like Brian Eno once said, it´s limitations that force you to be creative. and like a friend of mine once said, make music with what you have, not with what you´d like to have. You sure have some friends who´d borrow you some equipment, even if it´s no Chapman stick, no Warr TSG and no what-have-you 8-). A good musician could even get something decently musical out of a comb 8-). Stephen. "I´m striving for the mysterious. The obvious doesn´t interest me." (Jon Hassell) Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com ----- Original Message ----- From: mark sottilaro To: Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:50 PM Subject: Re: just out of reach > It's a poor man who blames his tools... or lack there > of When I was broke I make nice loops on a used > Digitech 8 sec pedal... but mostly I had to scramble > to make rent. I play a LOT more now that I ditched > the idea of using music as a means to feed myself. > I'm doing decently for the first time in my life and > the only thing that I find IS a setback is having too > many choices with what to make music with. Having > limits can be a good thing, but you don't need to be > broke. > > Frankly a lot of the full time original (not cover > bands) musicians I knew who were surviving had some > sort of invisable means of support like a trust fund, > day job or mate/parent moochage situation that allowed > them to have a place to live and lots of time to > practice... at least that's how they started. > > My response to you is, "get a day job" and spend as > much of your time away from it making music and don't > get fooled by the latest greatest. There are tons of > ebay bargains out there that will make wonderful > sounds until you're getting your big advance from your > record company. > > --- daniel stevenson wrote: > > > sheesh what a bummer knowing there is all this cool > > gear i cant get my hands on/EDPs/lappys/chapman > > sticks/harp guitars...well on the bright side at > > least i know its out there... money kills art. > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-268933075-1123544876=:71432 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
yes its true.If i still had all my cool gear and all that easy money i would still be just another generic guitar player without soul or substance.now relfecting on my downward spiral to the oblivian of addiction and having lost everything i held dear is cathardic to me.starting over with nothing is humbling and good for art,yet i dont recomend suffering to find self worth.i wouldnt be as in touch with my feelings/art without it...i still want a edp

Wavecomputer360 <wavecomputer360@gmx.de> wrote:
I think the more options you have the less creative you are. When I had just
a dearly loved Jamman I used it to death and created some really great music
with it. Now that I have a stereo pair of fully loaded EDPs I hardly find
myself using them. I used to create great tracks with just one simple
sampling keyboard, a Jamman and some FX... I ought to get rid of some stuff,
I guess 8-).

Like Brian Eno once said, it´s limitations that force you to be creative.
and like a friend of mine once said, make music with what you have, not with
what you´d like to have.

You sure have some friends who´d borrow you some equipment, even if it´s no
Chapman stick, no Warr TSG and no what-have-you 8-). A good musician could
even get something decently musical out of a comb 8-).

Stephen.


"I´m striving for the mysterious. The obvious doesn´t interest me." (Jon
Hassell)

Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com


----- Original Message -----
From: mark sottilaro
To:
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: just out of reach


> It's a poor man who blames his tools... or lack there
> of When I was broke I make nice loops on a used
> Digitech 8 sec pedal... but mostly I had to scramble
> to make rent. I play a LOT more now that I ditched
> the idea of using music as a means to feed myself.
> I'm doing decently for the first time in my life and
> the only thing that I find IS a setback is having too
> many choices with what to make music with. Having
> limits can be a good thing, but you don't need to be
> broke.
>
> Frankly a lot of the full time original (not cover
> bands) musicians I knew who were surviving had some
> sort of invisable means of support like a trust fund,
> day job or mate/parent moochage situation that allowed
> them to have a place to live and lots of time to
> practice... at least that's how they started.
>
> My response to you is, "get a day job" and spend as
> much of your time away from it making music and don't
> get fooled by the latest greatest. There are tons of
> ebay bargains out there that will make wonderful
> sounds until you're getting your big advance from your
> record company.
>
> --- daniel stevenson wrote:
>
> > sheesh what a bummer knowing there is all this cool
> > gear i cant get my hands on/EDPs/lappys/chapman
> > sticks/harp guitars...well on the bright side at
> > least i know its out there... money kills art.
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com
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Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-268933075-1123544876=:71432-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 9 03:53:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 729123BF36; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 03:53:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SGGN1sDySaO67gl7K3myYmVic7nCv+GmMfcu9n6AILLhC2XAgBPRvcK45ufY7bvx61NSrJebh+Lnl+ZvVoD/TFmbgB6PN6MmdzPKiEqnlsQ+FZNqunJIafu7z3GISVVmxLw9sFAFq/F4ctW57tM9dfP2634Omh6SYOfq32k9xYw= ; Message-ID: <20050809035354.39222.qmail@web34214.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 20:53:54 -0700 (PDT) From: grw20022 Subject: Re: just out of reach To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050808232005.74921.qmail@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-343566071-1123559634=:39079" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 03:53:57 +0000 (UTC) --0-343566071-1123559634=:39079 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit it is true, I had all the old equipment and alot of them are really good.I own alot of time delay digitech equipment.and others, they held up good,and still are cheap, my first was wem copycat...good feedback but they do not make the tapes for them anymore...roland space echo and echoplex is another good one.I do my own recordings..and am alway's looking for good equipment..just ask around and play the ones you can get ahold of..line 6 put a some out, that I don't know how good it is, with multi-delay loops...the only other thing is go 4 track recording or more..I have cakewalk and they have good loops..magic is cheap......keep on truckin ..Gerry daniel stevenson wrote:yea but a paint set witout any primary colors wont do for making anythink ecept shades of grey...i may be infected with loopers envy,but i want an oompha loompha and i want it now,,,damn near go down on a law~man for an gibson echoplex digital pro!i still love my dl4 she popped my cherry but---but man those edp's are making me drool...;)'''''' mark sottilaro wrote: It's a poor man who blames his tools... or lack there of When I was broke I make nice loops on a used Digitech 8 sec pedal... but mostly I had to scramble to make rent. I play a LOT more now that I ditched the idea of using music as a means to feed myself. I'm doing decently for the first time in my life and the only thing that I find IS a setback is having too many choices with what to make music with. Having limits can be a good thing, but you don't need to be broke. Frankly a lot of the full time original (not cover bands) musicians I knew who were surviving had some sort of invisable means of support like a trust fund, day job or mate/parent moochage situation that allowed them to have a place to live and lots of time to practice... at least that's how they started. My response to you is, "get a day job" and spend as much of your time away from it making music and don't get fooled by the latest greatest. There are tons of ebay bargains out there that will make wonderful sounds until you're getting your big advance from your record company. --- daniel stevenson wrote: > sheesh what a bummer knowing there is all this cool > gear i cant get my hands on/EDPs/lappys/chapman > sticks/harp guitars...well on the bright side at > least i know its out there... money kills art. > > > --------------------------------- > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-343566071-1123559634=:39079 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
it is true, I had all the old equipment and alot of them are really good.I own alot of time delay digitech equipment.and others, they held up good,and still are cheap, my first was wem copycat...good feedback but they do not make the tapes for them anymore...roland space echo and echoplex is another good one.I do my own recordings..and am alway's looking  for good equipment..just ask around and play the ones you can get ahold of..line 6 put a some out, that I don't know how good it is, with multi-delay loops...the only other thing is go 4 track recording or more..I have cakewalk and they have good  loops..magic is cheap......keep on truckin ..Gerry 

daniel stevenson <stillllscary@yahoo.com> wrote:
yea but a paint set witout any primary colors wont do for making anythink ecept shades of grey...i may be infected with loopers envy,but i want an oompha loompha and i want it now,,,damn near go down on a law~man for an gibson echoplex digital pro!i still love my dl4 she popped my cherry but---but man those edp's are making me drool...;)''''''

mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
It's a poor man who blames his tools... or lack there
of When I was broke I make nice loops on a used
Digitech 8 sec pedal... but mostly I had to scramble
to make rent. I play a LOT more now that I ditched
the idea of using music as a means to feed myself.
I'm doing decently for the first time in my life and
the only thing that I find IS a setback is having too
many choices with what to make music with. Having
limits can be a good thing, but you don't need to be
broke.

Frankly a lot of the full time original (not cover
bands) musicians I knew who were surviving had some
sort of invisable means of support like a trust fund,
day job or mate/parent moochage situation that allowed
them to have a place to live and lots of time to
practice... at least that's how they started.

My response to you is, "get a day job" and spend as
much of your time away from it making music and don't
get fooled by the latest greatest. There are tons of
ebay bargains out there that will make wonderful
sounds until you're getting your big advance from your
record company.

--- daniel stevenson wrote:

> sheesh what a bummer knowing there is all this cool
> gear i cant get my hands on/EDPs/lappys/chapman
> sticks/harp guitars...well on the bright side at
> least i know its out there... money kills art.
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page



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Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-343566071-1123559634=:39079-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 9 05:51:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CE533BF63; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 05:51:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 22:51:16 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: AW: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <99C34E1A-0899-11DA-9A7D-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 05:51:21 +0000 (UTC) I'm looking into a foot controller for hands-free operation my laptop/Ableton Live setup. I actually have an FCB 1010 on order from Audiomidi.com, but it's been backordered for several weeks, and I'm having 2nd thoughts. I have been pretty staunchly anti-behringer for years, I've justified this purchase by saying to myself that at least I'm not passing audio through it. But I am worried about sturdiness, I play about 100 gigs a year and need stuff that is reliable and doesn't break. The good side of the Behringer is that it's almost unbelievably cheap, and seems to be very flexible as far as MIDI programmability. The Ground control looks very solid, and I like the size of it better. I am redesigning my pedalboard to accommodate the foot controller, and it seems easier to design around. It doesn't have built in MIDI CC pedlas, but accepts input from 2 passive volume pedals, which I have, to use as CC's. I'm concerned about the responsiveness of the switches, it has stompbox-style switches like the Line-6 DL4, which, wile very sturdy, take more effort to trigger in time. Since one of the uses of the pedal will be to trigger clips in live, I need to have pretty exact timing. I haven't actually used either unit. The GC is also about $250 more than the FCB, which is an issue right now, but if it will be more reliable, it's worth it to me. So, any opinions from owners of either or both? I've downloaded and pored over the owner's manuals for both, and subbed to the FCB user's group on Yahoo. It seems like the FCB has a large and pretty active user base, which is a plus. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 9 05:58:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B71383BF65; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 05:58:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 01:59:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <99C34E1A-0899-11DA-9A7D-000A95A5D158@peak.org> Thread-Index: AcWcpl7d9vup7NUaQFqvv6tK0JerSAAAJKsw Message-ID: <0MKp2t-1E2N8X0yNI-0004aD@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 05:58:55 +0000 (UTC) You are talking the Ground Control Pro, right? I had the original Ground Control for years, simply because there wasn't many alternatives. I liked the size and the display (mostly) but that was about it. I have a more detailed comparison at my page : http://www.hazardfactor.com/dave/devices1.htm I don't think the Pro can send as many midi messages. Channels are set per preset though, and the display is nice, though it is useless outside. Dave Eichenberger > I'm looking into a foot controller for hands-free operation > my laptop/Ableton Live setup. I actually have an FCB 1010 on > order from Audiomidi.com, but it's been backordered for > several weeks, and I'm having 2nd thoughts. I have been > pretty staunchly anti-behringer for years, I've justified > this purchase by saying to myself that at least I'm not > passing audio through it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 9 08:38:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E7703BF61; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 08:38:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <99C34E1A-0899-11DA-9A7D-000A95A5D158@peak.org> References: <99C34E1A-0899-11DA-9A7D-000A95A5D158@peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <41B7A62A-8AD4-4271-8366-754EA114ED71@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 10:38:09 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 08:38:13 +0000 (UTC) On Aug 9, 2005, at 7:51, David Trenkel wrote: > I'm looking into a foot controller for hands-free operation my > laptop/Ableton Live setup. I actually have an FCB 1010 > But I am worried about sturdiness, I play about 100 gigs a year and > need stuff that is reliable and doesn't break. I've had my FCB since it was introduced on the market four or five years ago. I either transport it in a little gig bag, in a backpack or inside a sturdy trunk (depending on how I travel). Over periods I've been using it practically all the time. Because it comes so cheap I really expected to buy a second one quite soon, so I backed up my SySex on my laptop as well as an online server, but the FCB never let me down. I'm amazed. On the other hand a fellow musician had to take his FCB back to the shop and have it replaced. The expression pedals did not send out any MIDI at all. We went through it together and it was definitely set up correctly. So that one must have been a case of Dead On Arrival. Maybe the quality differ and I was simply lucky to get a good one? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 9 09:02:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E24BA3BF69; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 09:02:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopersdelight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OdH6Oq5iqg9xBpJ5tWaRvLEbxrJJOL/mzqMTnPbYEqP5KmJERGFqN7jf6xMtKgaMH/x93IRc2VtE75nAHyCIUHlNxreW8VmgICerdLDmT7Vx1SYJLk7GIQ4UnOB/VoB0eIWC7de0b8BmgCjARafrBMR/Uq7WB4CDw+S2O9RRCw8= ; Message-ID: <20050809090208.64482.qmail@web40825.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 02:02:08 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: just out of reach To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopersdelight.com In-Reply-To: <20050808215037.92819.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 09:02:10 +0000 (UTC) --- mark sottilaro wrote: > It's a poor man who blames his tools... or lack > there > of When I was broke I make nice loops on a used > Digitech 8 sec pedal... When I was a young'un, we made our loops with sand. That's right SAND!!! And we had to walk five miles to get the sand because we were too poor to have our own dirt. If I only had my teeth in I'd cuss you good & proper you young whippersnapper! ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 9 11:19:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 518933BF78; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:19:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 07:19:18 -0400 Subject: Re: AW: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <99C34E1A-0899-11DA-9A7D-000A95A5D158@peak.org> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <7RB39.A.WqD.6EJ-CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:19:23 +0000 (UTC) It certainly seems like you've done your research so you can narrow down your decision to this question. I find the fcb1010 to be all I've needed for about 4 years. I have to recalibrate the cc pedals now and then, but it's never broken on me once or gone down on me in anyway. The midi and power connections are still firm and in place after years of connecting and reconnecting. As far as programming goes, once I figured out how to do it, I do it with ease WITH m= y feet, no need to bend down, but I hardly ever need to program it anyway as use so many midi learn functions on the computer with live and other programs. I simply have my oberheim banks and three banks of continuous controllers for live and Native Instruments stuff. 70 - 79, 80-89, and so on. I've never used the ground control, but I do know that Line-6 boxes were to= o noisy for me with those particular switches, and I don't want extra noise o= n the gig. I do find that I like the immediateness of the switching on the Behringer. My suggestion to you would be to order from zzounds, order both= , try them out for 2 or 3 days intensively with socks on, and then send one back. My two cents, hope it contributes something to your effort. Todd Reynolds On 8/9/05 1:51 AM, "David Trenkel" wrote: > I'm looking into a foot controller for hands-free operation my > laptop/Ableton Live setup. I actually have an FCB 1010 on order from > Audiomidi.com, but it's been backordered for several weeks, and I'm > having 2nd thoughts. I have been pretty staunchly anti-behringer for > years, I've justified this purchase by saying to myself that at least > I'm not passing audio through it. But I am worried about sturdiness, I > play about 100 gigs a year and need stuff that is reliable and doesn't > break. The good side of the Behringer is that it's almost unbelievably > cheap, and seems to be very flexible as far as MIDI programmability. >=20 > The Ground control looks very solid, and I like the size of it better. > I am redesigning my pedalboard to accommodate the foot controller, and > it seems easier to design around. It doesn't have built in MIDI CC > pedlas, but accepts input from 2 passive volume pedals, which I have, > to use as CC's. I'm concerned about the responsiveness of the switches, > it has stompbox-style switches like the Line-6 DL4, which, wile very > sturdy, take more effort to trigger in time. Since one of the uses of > the pedal will be to trigger clips in live, I need to have pretty exact > timing. I haven't actually used either unit. The GC is also about $250 > more than the FCB, which is an issue right now, but if it will be more > reliable, it's worth it to me. >=20 > So, any opinions from owners of either or both? I've downloaded and > pored over the owner's manuals for both, and subbed to the FCB user's > group on Yahoo. It seems like the FCB has a large and pretty active > user base, which is a plus. >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com http://www.ethelcentral.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 9 13:26:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A48E3BF0A; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 13:26:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20050808232005.74921.qmail@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050808232005.74921.qmail@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: just out of reach Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 07:32:39 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 13:26:22 +0000 (UTC) Grey is where it's at. On Aug 8, 2005, at 5:20 PM, daniel stevenson wrote: > yea but a paint set witout any primary colors wont do for making > anythink ecept shades of grey From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 9 13:58:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9D6F3BF72; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 13:58:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=U00C+MRgKBsNJe2EtSlfwJY+pLTsP6HTFRevH6Cf6UNbME2xa1YF8YlbM+8wYVPburqJhrH6NkpVkKpQDYa+2Kah/NV2Yot5mp0IPlWSXJPthriKh8Fxn6lrw5/gIrwGo4rNZms38x8QC6FBhlLjJE+eHwUmXhjeaNUX7L7bmgA= Message-ID: <64b81a78050809065862688af1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 09:58:44 -0400 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <99C34E1A-0899-11DA-9A7D-000A95A5D158@peak.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 13:58:47 +0000 (UTC) I just wanted to chime in with another endorsement of the FCB1010.=20 Love mine. I wouldn't worry too much about sturdiness & durability.=20 These things are built like tanks. Also, there's no reason to wait on back order. I got mine in 3 days from Musicians Friend and I'm sure zZounds could get you one just as fast. Hope this helps, Todd From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 9 14:09:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9712A3BF7A; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:09:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Berlin anyone? Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 08:09:22 -0600 Message-ID: <006201c59ceb$f11bdd70$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 6, First 121, in=376, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:09:26 +0000 (UTC) Excellent work...listening to "Shelter" now....almost has a Frisell / Baron / Driscoll feel to it, for anyone familiar with their live album recorded in Spain....but more on the Eric Dolphy side of the fence. :) This is the type of work I'd like to do if I ever went back to playing in a jazz trio format....sounds wonderful. Kris -----Original Message----- From: William Walker [mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com]=20 Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 1:02 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Berlin anyone? For those of you unfamiliar with Andreas' work, he is a first rate avant- jazz- looping musician. Check him out if you can, Bill -----Original Message----- From: Andreas Willers [mailto:a.willers@arcor.de] Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 10:42 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Berlin anyone? Hi, how about coming out to my modest avant-jazz-looping-guitar show "Ground Guitar Music" in Berlin on Sunday, August 7th, 9 pm at the Kulturfabrik Lehrter Stra=DFe 35 in Tiergarten/Moabit and saying hi? Regards, Andreas Willers www.andreaswillers.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 9 14:44:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1FA33BF7C; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:44:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 09:43:57 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: AW: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? In-reply-to: <99C34E1A-0899-11DA-9A7D-000A95A5D158@peak.org> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42F8C12D.8060308@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <99C34E1A-0899-11DA-9A7D-000A95A5D158@peak.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:44:05 +0000 (UTC) David Trenkel wrote: > The Ground control looks very solid, and I like the size of it better. I have both the Ground Control Pro and the Behringer and will be selling the GCP on eBay soon. For me, there are two crucial issues with the GCP: 1) you can only program 12 global momentary switches (8 if you also want program changes) 2) the switches make noise The GCP is extremely roadworthy but it makes noise. If you're playing live this may not be an issue but for recording with microphones it is out of the question. The GCP switches can be configured in two modes: to send program changes or as "instant" switches which can send other things like notes and continuous controllers. For me, momentary switches that send both a note on when pressed and note off when released is important. The problem is that these instant switch configurations are global, meaning they send the same note regardless of what "preset" you have selected. The only thing presets do is determine which program changes are sent for the non-instant switches. There 12 switches so you can send at most 12 notes. If you also want to send program changes you have to reserve the bottom row of 4 switches, leaving only 8 instant switches to send notes. This is the key difference between the GCP and the Rocktron All Access. The All Access can store different note assignments in each preset. It is also insanely expensive and hard to find. With the Beheringer you have ten switches that can be programmed for notes, and each "bank" can contain a different set of note assignments. This gives you the ability to send all 128 notes. The only thing I don't like about the FCB is that notes can only be sent on one of two global channels. But for controlling Live this should be fine. If all you want to do is trigger clips, and Live can use program changes for triggering (not sure about that), then the GCP would be ok. But if you want momentary switches, the GCP is very limited. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 9 14:56:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE87D3BF89; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:56:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: AW: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 10:55:11 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: AW: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? Thread-Index: AcWc8Kuzv4Y3qFBwR3imG3YF4qepUAAAC9ig From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2005 14:55:11.0466 (UTC) FILETIME=[578ACCA0:01C59CF2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:56:07 +0000 (UTC) I have a Nobels MF-2 which is very flexible and has a lot of features, and seemed to be good bang for the buck. I would not recommend this unit, however, as it is no longer distributed in the US, the battery is stupidly soldered in, and judging from the comments online it has poor build quality. That said I was very happy with it in studio, until the moment when the light indicating impending battery replacement came on. That sent me looking for alternatives. I do intend to have a service tech replace the battery and perhaps beef up the jack supports (one of the complaints). If anyone can recommend someone to do this in the Philadelphia area, I'm all ears.=20 I've seen the All Access and it is amazing, but as noted very expensive. I read a fair amount about the FCB1010, saw too many negative comments about reliability, and began to look at the Rocktron MIDIMate. This unit is well made and very easy to program, but appears to be less flexible than the FCB. I'd be curious if anyone can share any experience with both FCB and MIDIMate. =20 Hal Dean -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Larson [mailto:Jeffrey.Larson@Sun.COM]=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 10:44 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? David Trenkel wrote: > The Ground control looks very solid, and I like the size of it better. I have both the Ground Control Pro and the Behringer and will be selling the GCP on eBay soon. For me, there are two crucial issues with the GCP: 1) you can only program 12 global momentary switches (8 if you also want program changes) 2) the switches make noise The GCP is extremely roadworthy but it makes noise. If you're playing live this may not be an issue but for recording with microphones it is out of the question. The GCP switches can be configured in two modes: to send program changes or as "instant" switches which can send other things like notes and continuous controllers. For me, momentary switches that send both a note on when pressed and note off when released is important. The problem is that these instant switch configurations are global, meaning they send the same note regardless of what "preset" you have selected. The only thing presets do is determine which program changes are sent for the non-instant switches. There 12 switches so you can send at most 12 notes. If you also want to send program changes you have to reserve the bottom row of 4 switches, leaving only 8 instant switches to send notes. This is the key difference between the GCP and the Rocktron All Access. The All Access can store different note assignments in each preset. It is also insanely expensive and hard to find. With the Beheringer you have ten switches that can be programmed for notes, and each "bank" can contain a different set of note assignments. This gives you the ability to send all 128 notes. The only thing I don't like about the FCB is that notes can only be sent on one of two global channels. But for controlling Live this should be fine. If all you want to do is trigger clips, and Live can use program changes for triggering (not sure about that), then the GCP would be ok. But if you want momentary switches, the GCP is very limited. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 9 15:25:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 596653BF85; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:25:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 10:25:33 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: AW: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42F8CAED.6030706@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:25:38 +0000 (UTC) Dean, Hal wrote: >, and began to look at the Rocktron MIDIMate. This unit > is well made and very easy to program, but appears to be less flexible > than the FCB. I'd be curious if anyone can share any experience with > both FCB and MIDIMate. I haven't owned a Rocktron MidiMate, but I took some notes when I did my footpedal research awhile ago. Compared to the Ground Control Pro: GCP has 8 instant access buttons, with 4 preset buttons. MM has 5 instant access buttons, with 5 preset buttons. GCP 8 programs per preset, MM has 5. GCP limited to 8 channels, MM supports all. Both may include instant access state with the preset. Both may define pedal number/channel with preset. GCP instant access channels are global, MM channels may be specified in the preset. GCP has two pedals jacks, MM 1. MM has no sysex, neither do bank select. MM has no momentary buttons. MM does not receive program changes. Here "preset button" means it can only send program changes and "instant access" means it can send notes or continuous controllers. I would agree that overall the MidiMate is less flexible than the Behringer (though it has better channel support). But the real deal breaker for me is that the MidiMate does not support momentary switches. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 9 15:46:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA4693BF0D; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:46:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: AW: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:46:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcWc1DJA3qCwnfWuRyGr08DcXR7YhQAJM7aQ Message-ID: <0MKoyl-1E2WJC2xr3-0006KN@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:46:32 +0000 (UTC) One thing to consider, and it is a big thing- someone on the FCB1010 Yahoo group made a PC editor that is wonderful. He had no help from Behringer. Programming the FCB by hand is something you'd want to do in stages, as it results in serious wrist (or ankle) pain- several button presses for each preset. With the editor, complex presets can be stitched in no time at all. It is a wonderful tool and certainly needed if you use an FCB and a PC. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 9 15:52:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C95CA3BF0D; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:52:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: AW: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:51:41 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: AW: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? Thread-Index: AcWc1DJA3qCwnfWuRyGr08DcXR7YhQAJM7aQAAAgxJA= From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2005 15:51:42.0048 (UTC) FILETIME=[3C7C8E00:01C59CFA] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:52:37 +0000 (UTC) Now that sounds great. I have a Peavey 1600x that would be close to worthless (since programming hex and working out bugs in it isn't among my life goals), were it not for the great editor PvC. Come to think of it, maybe the 1600x could learn the Behringer functions and then be used to edit it easily.=20 Clearly I need to look at the FCB Yahoo group. Thanks for the tip!=20 Hal Dean -----Original Message----- From: hazard factor [mailto:artists@hazardfactor.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 11:47 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: AW: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? One thing to consider, and it is a big thing- someone on the FCB1010 Yahoo group made a PC editor that is wonderful. He had no help from Behringer. Programming the FCB by hand is something you'd want to do in stages, as it results in serious wrist (or ankle) pain- several button presses for each preset. With the editor, complex presets can be stitched in no time at all. It is a wonderful tool and certainly needed if you use an FCB and a PC. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 9 15:54:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C5123BF0F; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:54:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=HMfdO6KP+na8F/qjYaPnYrKsI5rP7PUVVYgAPWRzrcFLS5llYuP3qpQNxc79Rbl/auFh2Vu1PzB+yBEGIi9ygDo2XlNaubj6oD62rGWMBNOYndk9Um3bTSrXK/fXEsPI1o+IAvEgTGAvPQDxj9G4MCYbC2Dt9uWc4D4PxS8TCU8= ; Message-ID: <20050809155428.56885.qmail@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 08:54:28 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hansen Subject: just out of reach (low end loopers) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050809144405.0E3E13BF7F@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1000986699-1123602868=:56854" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:54:31 +0000 (UTC) --0-1000986699-1123602868=:56854 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit yes, i will agree that you don't need the high end equipment to make your music (loop or otherwise). my main looper is my digitech rp100 (100$, seen them for 1/2 that price used) which i use for 2 sec loops, 2 sec seemed like a long time compared to my old yamaha delay pedal that had 1.2 sec of delay. and my ibanez de7 is great for loop time manipulation from short to 2.6 sec (doesn't do infinate delay, kind of peters out after 10 repeats or so, sort of strange, but it's cheap too, in 60$ range), and then lastly, my long looper is the dod d-12 which i got for 120$ as new old stock, i've seen ads for them for under 100$, but it is a decent tool. oh, update- a week or so i posted that i was having problems w/ my dod d12 w/ live in the studio loops i've been experimenting w/, well, it turns out that my lexicon mpx100 bit the dust, which was a total surprise. so i've been experimenting w/ a very minimal set up. it's funny i remember seeing a debate of rack gear vs. pedals, and had a bunch of used inexpensive rack gear at time, and thought my sound was decent, but as of late, i seem to be moving to mostly pedals for that easy manipulation option...very strange sonic process for me, again, all very inexpensive..... s--- ps-in the painting reference, if you didn't have the primary colors to paint w/ (that'd be red,yellow, blue), you'd still have the secondary colors-orange, violet, & green, which combined w/ black & white would still give you quite a range of color....and there are plenty of artists who have made a career using just black and white or one color + b/w....... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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yes, i will agree that you don't need the high end equipment to make your music (loop or otherwise). my main looper is my digitech rp100 (100$, seen them for 1/2 that price used) which i use for 2 sec loops, 2 sec seemed like a long time compared to my old yamaha delay pedal that had 1.2 sec of delay. and my ibanez de7 is great for loop time manipulation from short to 2.6 sec (doesn't do infinate delay, kind of peters out after 10 repeats or so, sort of strange, but it's cheap too, in 60$ range), and then lastly, my long looper is the dod d-12 which i got for 120$ as new old stock, i've seen ads for them for under 100$, but it is a decent tool.

oh, update- a week or so i posted that i was having problems w/ my dod d12 w/ live in the studio loops i've been experimenting w/, well, it turns out that my lexicon mpx100 bit the dust, which was a total surprise. so i've been experimenting w/ a very minimal set up. it's funny i remember seeing a debate of rack gear vs. pedals, and had a bunch of used inexpensive rack gear at time, and thought my sound was decent, but as of late, i seem to be moving to mostly pedals for that easy manipulation option...very strange sonic process for me, again, all very inexpensive.....

s---

ps-in the painting reference, if you didn't have the primary colors to paint w/ (that'd be red,yellow, blue), you'd still have the secondary colors-orange, violet, & green, which combined w/ black & white would still give you quite a range of color....and there are plenty of artists who have made a career using just black and white or one color + b/w.......

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1000986699-1123602868=:56854-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 9 15:54:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28D4E3BF4A; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:54:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050809084943.029d2e88@mail02.powweb.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 08:54:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: AW: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? In-Reply-To: <42F8C12D.8060308@sun.com> References: <99C34E1A-0899-11DA-9A7D-000A95A5D158@peak.org> <42F8C12D.8060308@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <2uPWp.A.OiF.IHN-CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:54:49 +0000 (UTC) Even more expensive but easy to find (direct from manufacturer) is the new FX1 from Axess Electronics: http://www.axess-electronics.com/ Product page: http://www.axess-electronics.com/_p_fx1.htm At 8/9/2005 07:43 AM, Jeff Larson wrote: >This is the key difference between the GCP and the Rocktron >All Access. The All Access can store different note assignments >in each preset. It is also insanely expensive and hard to find. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 9 15:56:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF5ED3BEF9; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:56:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OALtjbwBBoMBrInGJ9v+59tlWo1Bo4mDsY7Wgs40qNwLV9JRiQJGNK/ClurTYqbCrHGWVtsjnfs4AZNI6pTKOJVTg1nHayMgVFgCwKL7k4viprPutcT8SrVzhvxd8wz8INcGJiBiEqIDE/HAdVDKnA8TWwvgKEQPeQqHPO0+CB4= ; Message-ID: <20050809155657.33841.qmail@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 08:56:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Cole Subject: Re: software that emulates Echoplex DP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:56:58 +0000 (UTC) Thank you Nico and Krispen for your speedy replies and the links to looping software. Wow, that's quite a list: Augustus Loop, Mobius, SooperLooper, ELOTTRONIX/XL, Lexicon PSP 42, Loopy Llama, Ambiloop, AngstroLooper, Musolomo, Coldcutter, Loopitch, Freewheeling, and Divine Machine. I'd like to use the looping software for looping my voice live-on-the-fly and continuously be able to morph the loop contents with new vocal overlays going in and older material disappearing by varying the feedback (or other control) - at times I also sing live over loops (that I've just built up live) as well. I'm not set up yet with a computer, sound card etc. to try these out, so I'm hoping to get some reviews of how these programs work compared to the EDP for live on the fly application from those who've used them with live acoustic inputs. A friend came over and showed me a few looping programs on his laptop - for some reason we were unable to get the click/glitch out of Ambiloop at the 'seam' (beginning/ending) of a given loop even turning the latency way down. Nor could we figure out how to make the other loopers useful in the way I want to use it - that may take time to learn each one to find what works well for me - so, I'm hoping to minimize some of the trial and error and get suggestions/advice from others who've used these in live situations with acoustic inputs (I mostly use voice, but I imagine the principles/operation would be fairly similar for any acoustic instrument, yes?). Thanks again, ~jim http://www.spectralvoices.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 9 16:14:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AEA23BF0A; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 16:14:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003501c59cfd$948db120$c1b31345@Biffoz> From: "Miko Biffle" To: References: Subject: Re: AW: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 09:15:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 16:14:17 +0000 (UTC) FWIW: DO NOT buy any controller that isn't capable of sending any/all of the 128 possible CC or Note On / Note Off strings, in both momentary or toggle mode. At some point, you'll highly regret it and be sitting there with a piece of gear you realize you don't want to use anymore... AND you'll still be looking for a full-featured controller to boot. That's why I've put up with my bitchy PMC-10 for all these years! (had the chance to grab an All-Access at one time, but didn't... damn, damn, damn.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 9 16:16:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B93323BF10; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 16:16:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=2QWujIe7fgnmHWIISxXCIoX7f2LzfOoOXozshgrliph3nF0F8e+UhGe/U7lZWBrN8/tzut8HcgLsqsVkc1ETsKryG3CjIsL5nesnpHC/DSauOjnt2czhWaMvixCjvp5V0yc/IwSvqnZN37Tp8vqIGtyHKhq9vSKYxEcA6h8NLdY= ; Message-ID: <20050809161558.5303.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 09:15:58 -0700 (PDT) From: S V G Subject: Re: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050809144405.0E3E13BF7F@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 16:16:00 +0000 (UTC) Dave, Behringer has been slagged a lot on this list as well as others. Sometimes they really deserve it, as in their budget line of mixers. Some people on this list swear by their higher end mixers, claiming them to be superior to the higher priced Mackie's. This is just to say don't judge a company on only a few of their products. The FCB1010 is built like a tank, it should give many many years of trouble free operation. Just make sure that the pedals are calibrated and that you clear out ALL of the presets that come with it. Also be sure to get the latest EPROM's, you can usually call up the nearest factory outlet in your country and they'll ship you the latest for free. That was my experience anyway. The switches are relatively quiet. Once you get your head around how to program it, it's easy. I was never able or willing to go that far, combined with realizing that it didn't fit my own playing style, so I let mine go. I've never used the Ground Control Pro so I can't weigh in on that unit. If reliability is what you're after, you should be pretty happy with the FCB1010. Stephen > I have been pretty staunchly anti-behringer for > years, I've justified this purchase by saying to myself that at least > I'm not passing audio through it. But I am worried about sturdiness, I > play about 100 gigs a year and need stuff that is reliable and doesn't > break. The good side of the Behringer is that it's almost unbelievably > cheap, and seems to be very flexible as far as MIDI programmability. ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 9 16:27:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54A483BF1B; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 16:27:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <42F8D950.00009A.01032@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 09:26:56 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Content-Type: Multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_W0RYHOO9RN0000000000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <006201c59ceb$f11bdd70$6601a8c0@khartung> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, info@krispenhartung.com Subject: RE: Berlin anyone? X-FID: ED0CFE32-10CD-430509702-0C6A43069D41 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: <1au4KB.A.l9G.TlN-CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 16:27:00 +0000 (UTC) --------------Boundary-00=_W0RYHOO9RN0000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_W0RYCZSAMY5000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_W0RYCZSAMY5000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Agree! =0D I love the musical maneuvers. =0D =0D =0D Well worth the download time. =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: info@krispenhartung.com=0D Date: 08/09/05 07:09:28=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: RE: Berlin anyone?=0D =0D Excellent work...listening to "Shelter" now....almost has a Frisell /=0D Baron / Driscoll feel to it, for anyone familiar with their live album=0D recorded in Spain....but more on the Eric Dolphy side of the fence. :)=0D This is the type of work I'd like to do if I ever went back to playing=0D in a jazz trio format....sounds wonderful.=0D =0D Kris=0D =0D =0D -----Original Message-----=0D From: William Walker [mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com]=0D Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 1:02 PM=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: RE: Berlin anyone?=0D =0D =0D =0D For those of you unfamiliar with Andreas' work, he is a first rate=0D avant-=0D jazz- looping musician. Check him out if you can,=0D Bill=0D =0D -----Original Message-----=0D From: Andreas Willers [mailto:a.willers@arcor.de]=0D Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 10:42 AM=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: Berlin anyone?=0D =0D =0D Hi,=0D =0D how about coming out to my modest avant-jazz-looping-guitar show "Ground=0D Guitar Music" in Berlin on Sunday, August 7th, 9 pm at the Kulturfabrik=0D Lehrter Stra=DFe 35 in Tiergarten/Moabit and saying hi?=0D =0D Regards, Andreas Willers=0D www.andreaswillers.de=0D =0D =0D =0D =0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_W0RYCZSAMY5000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
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Agree!
    I love the musical maneuvers.  
 
 
 Well worth the download time.

-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 08/09/05 07:= 09:28
Subject: RE: Berli= n anyone?
 
Excellent work...listening to "Shelter" now....almost has a Frisell = /
Baron / Driscoll feel to it, for anyone familiar with their live alb= um
recorded in Spain....but more on the Eric Dolphy side of the fence. = :)
This is the type of work I'd like to do if I ever went back to playi= ng
in a jazz trio format....sounds wonderful.
 
Kris
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: William Walker [mail= to:billwalker@baymoon.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 1:02 PM
Subject: RE: Berlin anyone?
 
 
 
  For those of you unfamiliar with Andreas' work, he is a first= rate
avant-
jazz- looping musician. Check him out if you can,
Bill
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Andreas Willers [mailto:= a.willers@arcor.de]
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 10:42 AM
Subject: Berlin anyone?
 
 
Hi,
 
how about coming out to my modest avant-jazz-looping-guitar show "Gr= ound
Guitar Music" in Berlin on Sunday, August 7th, 9 pm at the Kulturfab= rik
Lehrter Stra=DFe 35 in Tiergarten/Moabit and saying hi?
 
Regards, Andreas Willers
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by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CA1B3BF2C; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:02:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 13:02:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20050809161558.5303.qmail@web41011.mail.yahoo.com> thread-index: AcWc/aIW/HFPWMMYR1qhNmsgJfSpgwABUQOw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20050809170214.A1AFF3BF0E@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:02:15 +0000 (UTC) I thought the same - built like a tank. I've had two negative episodes after now very long (brand new unit). 1) the midi in connector, mounted to the motherboard, began 'caving in' toward the inside of the unit. Now I have to maneuver the midi cable just right to be able to insert it. 2) at one of the gigs, I press a fcb1010 footswitch to perform a program change on 2 roland gr-33's. instead of a horn patch, it called up a drum patch! What a mess! I assume that I had pressed a bank up or something by accident. It turns out that the fcb1010 had lost it's marbles for the moment. It was reproducible by selecting a different footswitch and coming back to the problem selection. After resetting the fcb1010, everything was back to normal. I can only suspect that the ram content were corrupted for some reason. Cheap is as cheap does. I've been on the lookout for a replacement ever since and I've decided to enforce a 'no behringer' policy in my studio. Also, it's a complete bear to program. Not a big fan. -----Original Message----- From: S V G [mailto:vsyevolod@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 12:16 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? Dave, Behringer has been slagged a lot on this list as well as others. Sometimes they really deserve it, as in their budget line of mixers. Some people on this list swear by their higher end mixers, claiming them to be superior to the higher priced Mackie's. This is just to say don't judge a company on only a few of their products. The FCB1010 is built like a tank, it should give many many years of trouble free operation. Just make sure that the pedals are calibrated and that you clear out ALL of the presets that come with it. Also be sure to get the latest EPROM's, you can usually call up the nearest factory outlet in your country and they'll ship you the latest for free. That was my experience anyway. The switches are relatively quiet. Once you get your head around how to program it, it's easy. I was never able or willing to go that far, combined with realizing that it didn't fit my own playing style, so I let mine go. I've never used the Ground Control Pro so I can't weigh in on that unit. If reliability is what you're after, you should be pretty happy with the FCB1010. Stephen > I have been pretty staunchly anti-behringer for > years, I've justified this purchase by saying to myself that at least > I'm not passing audio through it. But I am worried about sturdiness, I > play about 100 gigs a year and need stuff that is reliable and doesn't > break. The good side of the Behringer is that it's almost unbelievably > cheap, and seems to be very flexible as far as MIDI programmability. ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 9 17:09:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B5D73BF2A; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:09:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050809175937.03231eb0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 18:04:33 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:AW: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? In-Reply-To: <20050809144405.05FF23BF86@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050809144405.05FF23BF86@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:09:46 +0000 (UTC) >So, any opinions from owners of either or both? I've downloaded and >pored over the owner's manuals for both, and subbed to the FCB >user's group on Yahoo. It seems like the FCB has a large and pretty >active user base, which is a plus. I've been looping with the FCB1010 for a couple of years now. It didn't break yet, nor give any sign of breaking. ...and I do quite a lot of presses. You do need to re-calibrate the pedals every so often. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 9 17:24:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4BE63BF0C; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:24:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <20050809155657.33841.qmail@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050809155657.33841.qmail@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: software that emulates Echoplex DP Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 19:24:48 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:24:53 +0000 (UTC) On Aug 9, 2005, at 17:56, Jim Cole wrote: > > I'm not set up yet with a computer, sound card etc. to > try these out, so I'm hoping to get some reviews of > how these programs work compared to the EDP for live > on the fly application from those who've used them > with live acoustic inputs. Only two applications do actually answer your question on "emulating the Echoplex" and those are Mobius (WinXP) and SooperLooper (Linux, OS X). Good documentaion of both are available online. If you want to compare functionality with the real thing (EDP) you may download the LOOP4 manual as well. But you don't need all the EDP/Loop4 functions to have fun and make great looping music. I do love my EDP/Loop4 but I find it just as fun to loop with Augustus Looper (OS X), which is a tape delay simulator (similar to the Lexicon PSP42, but a little more advanced). The big challenge in software looping is to get around the AD/DA latency, IMHO. The only way to do that is to use a software that moves every new loop layer recorded a bit forward in time, to compensate for the latency of the computer hardware. No such live looping software seems to be available today (please correct me if I'm wrong). A workaround I'm using is to use Ableton Live 5 as the host application for Augustus Loop and when I need accurate timing, in recording of my playing, I do record directly to a track in Live. But this means I can not overdub layers, since Live only records a loop and then plays it back (until you stop it). The Augustus Loop plug-in is great to catch less timing critic sounds to build up pads etc. If you want to make funky music anyway, you may put some beat sync gate plug-in on the Live track that hosts the looping plug-in. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 9 17:28:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87D2A3BF16; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:28:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Behringer FCB 1010 or other foot controllers? Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 13:27:27 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Behringer FCB 1010 or other foot controllers? Thread-Index: AcWc/aIW/HFPWMMYR1qhNmsgJfSpgwABUQOwAADwqSA= From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2005 17:27:28.0713 (UTC) FILETIME=[9DC40B90:01C59D07] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:28:27 +0000 (UTC) For $10 more than the going $150 for the FCB1010, Sweetwater has the MIDIMate. I've been using it for about 3 weeks and have found it completely stable. Others have noted the shortcomings compared to the FCB1010, in particular lack of momentary switches; I also wish it had a MIDI in, and more than 1 expression pedal input. On the plus side, the MIDIMate can transmit on all 16 channels, the FCB does not.=20 If you are soured on the FCB 1010 and want a unit mainly to switch patches on the fly, consider the MIDIMate. After reading these posts and mulling it over, I'm going to stick with mine for the time being. Hal Dean -----Original Message----- From: Bill Edmondson [mailto:edmondson5@comcast.net]=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 1:03 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? I thought the same - built like a tank. I've had two negative episodes after now very long (brand new unit). 1) the midi in connector, mounted to the motherboard, began 'caving in' toward the inside of the unit. Now I have to maneuver the midi cable just right to be able to insert it. 2) at one of the gigs, I press a fcb1010 footswitch to perform a program change on 2 roland gr-33's. instead of a horn patch, it called up a drum patch! What a mess! I assume that I had pressed a bank up or something by accident. It turns out that the fcb1010 had lost it's marbles for the moment. It was reproducible by selecting a different footswitch and coming back to the problem selection. After resetting the fcb1010, everything was back to normal. I can only suspect that the ram content were corrupted for some reason. Cheap is as cheap does. I've been on the lookout for a replacement ever since and I've decided to enforce a 'no behringer' policy in my studio. Also, it's a complete bear to program. Not a big fan. -----Original Message----- From: S V G [mailto:vsyevolod@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 12:16 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? Dave, Behringer has been slagged a lot on this list as well as others. Sometimes they really deserve it, as in their budget line of mixers. Some people on this list swear by their higher end mixers, claiming them to be superior to the higher priced Mackie's. This is just to say don't judge a company on only a few of their products. The FCB1010 is built like a tank, it should give many many years of trouble free operation.=20 Just make sure that the pedals are calibrated and that you clear out ALL of the presets that come with it. Also be sure to get the latest EPROM's, you can usually call up the nearest factory outlet in your country and they'll ship you the latest for free. That was my experience anyway.=20 The switches are relatively quiet. Once you get your head around how to program it, it's easy. I was never able or willing to go that far, combined with realizing that it didn't fit my own playing style, so I let mine go. I've never used the Ground Control Pro so I can't weigh in on that unit. If reliability is what you're after, you should be pretty happy with the FCB1010. Stephen > I have been pretty staunchly anti-behringer for > years, I've justified this purchase by saying to myself that at least=20 > I'm not passing audio through it. But I am worried about sturdiness, I > play about 100 gigs a year and need stuff that is reliable and doesn't > break. The good side of the Behringer is that it's almost unbelievably > cheap, and seems to be very flexible as far as MIDI programmability. =09 ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page=20 http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs=20 =20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 9 17:32:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EA6F3BF22; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:32:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.206] X-Originating-Email: [polarisrecords@msn.com] X-Sender: polarisrecords@msn.com From: "Richard Young" To: "Loopers-Delight" Subject: Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:32:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C59CDE.71E457B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:32:45 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2005 17:32:49.0018 (UTC) FILETIME=[5CAEB5A0:01C59D08] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:32:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C59CDE.71E457B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe please ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C59CDE.71E457B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C59CDE.71E457B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 9 17:48:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 859BA3BF1B; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:48:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-6.tower-71.messagelabs.com!1123609718!0!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC874C@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Behringer FCB 1010 or other foot controllers? Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 18:48:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C59D0A.9A7BDE10" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 17:48:42 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C59D0A.9A7BDE10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>I've been on the lookout for a replacement ever since and I've decided to enforce a 'no behringer' policy in my studio. Also, it's a complete bear to program.<< I just couldn't get my head round the "philosophy" of the fcb1010, & mine lies idle in the same corner of my studio where it landed two years ago. that, coupled with the /general/ feeling about behringer's reliability (I've had one of their mixers catch fire on me, but it was reparable).... well, but what alternatives are there, with the right mixture of pedals & switches? I've mentioned this before, but the peavey pc1600 is easier to programme & (the stock version) has interfacing for one pedal & two footswitches. probably, if it could be mounted on a tripod so as to put the other buttons & faders at a suitable height for a guitarist, this would be adequate. I intend to modify mine, though, so that more of the buttons & faders are extended to foot-friendly interfaces (standard expression pedals & footswitches). it, too, is built like a tank. I've been using it for ten years & it's crashed once, about nine years ago. the guy at peavey was an absolute saint. matt, I think his name was. got me right out of trouble & saved my patches. duncan. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C59D0A.9A7BDE10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Behringer FCB 1010 or other foot controllers?

>>I've been on the lookout for a replacement ever s= ince and I've decided to enforce a 'no behringer' policy in my studio.

Also, it's a complete bear to program.<<

I just couldn't get my head round the "philosophy&qu= ot; of the fcb1010, & mine lies idle in the same corner of my studio wh= ere it landed two years ago. that, coupled with the /general/ feeling about= behringer's reliability (I've had one of their mixers catch fire on me, bu= t it was reparable).... well, but what alternatives are there, with the rig= ht mixture of pedals & switches?

I've mentioned this before, but the peavey pc1600 is easi= er to programme & (the stock version) has interfacing for one pedal &am= p; two footswitches.

probably, if it could be mounted on a tripod so as to put= the other buttons & faders at a suitable height for a guitarist, this = would be adequate. I intend to modify mine, though, so that more of the but= tons & faders are extended to foot-friendly interfaces (standard expres= sion pedals & footswitches).

it, too, is built like a tank. I've been using it for ten= years & it's crashed once, about nine years ago. the guy at peavey was= an absolute saint. matt, I think his name was. got me right out of trouble= & saved my patches.

duncan.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C59D0A.9A7BDE10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 9 18:01:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FD873BF0F; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 18:01:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=KguQQfnztqxUUpwFaxVS7vC+49w89u8QmhjNhaxCfVsHS/f8GgdSw9jUq8OZktWdbKTZaymTtAZMYz90AG7xnHqDbdIfVCywP7yGpgKzh0QvLC6UXif2iF5EqkHMZ4DXzpUDNPb3kVXIAyowaHVysqyw05qjSW3BJs50GHx2f1w= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:01:02 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: "Control Learn" for the EDP Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 18:01:10 +0000 (UTC) All of this talk about MIDI foot controllers reminds me of my #1 request for the next software version on the EDP, which is the ability to learn any input (resistor value, any MIDI command) and assign that to whatever you want (record, undo, quantised multiply, unquantised multiply, etc.). That way you could use whatever controller you already have instead of being limited to a very small number of difficult to program foot controllers. Of course this means more work on Aurisis' part to make less work for the rest of us, but the EDP is so much more powerful with MIDI control it seems a shame to essentially limit it the large-footprint, difficult to program Behringer controller. TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 9 18:21:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 171243BF2D; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 18:21:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopersdelight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cHkEGK+iwtloE7lMX9BTU16OYgRsaAFzDJ1k+NNE5xUPQ3YMhYRpacyM2hjNQfTfUE4qDnfz3Fb2gEGpK51saSXxPimxO+JiShvulelQq0kAzc+JXRcFJ9SdPP04UwvSGPXsQ6Em/m4/O8RkirIf1DApJz0xCgWMcz2+yf/tPR8= ; Message-ID: <20050809182152.62957.qmail@web32513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:21:52 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: extraterrestrials & looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopersdelight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-558461265-1123611712=:62767" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 18:21:54 +0000 (UTC) --0-558461265-1123611712=:62767 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hows that for a subject?did i see zorak from space ghost manipulating a vintage mk ultra mind looper at last years interplanetary loop~shock festivil held at the resuraunt at the end of the universe where zor sat in with disaster areas set on the cover of pink floyds "time"?eziekials wheels were spinning like two turntables & a microphone... sorrry ,just feeling goofy today... scary visionary --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-558461265-1123611712=:62767 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
hows that for a subject?did i see zorak from space ghost manipulating a vintage mk ultra mind looper at last years interplanetary loop~shock festivil held at the resuraunt at the end of the universe where zor sat in with disaster areas set on the cover of pink floyds "time"?eziekials wheels were spinning like two turntables & a microphone...    sorrry ,just feeling goofy today...    
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Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-558461265-1123611712=:62767-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 9 18:43:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 226643BEDC; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 18:43:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Wish list for EDP (was "Control Learn" for the EDP) The future of the EDP (no suggestions!) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:42:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: thread-index: AcWdDFRV6OZAT8/ARiOd9lLtXWSP1QABUEOQ Message-Id: <20050809184249.GTJ16890.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <0RyY_B.A.65F.zkP-CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 18:43:00 +0000 (UTC) I have been trying not to use my MIDI foot controller of late (it's a PMC-10) and just use my MIDI guitar controller (it's a Ztar)--EDP uses note on info and any MIDI keyboard or equivalent works well with it. I think the next version of the EDP will probably be a completely different animal than the current one--too much digital water under the bridge. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] the EDP is so much more powerful with MIDI control it seems a shame to essentially limit it the large-footprint, difficult to program Behringer controller. TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 9 18:48:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F8FA3BF2A; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 18:48:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 13:48:51 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: software that emulates Echoplex DP In-reply-to: <20050809155657.33841.qmail@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42F8FA93.9030807@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20050809155657.33841.qmail@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 18:48:57 +0000 (UTC) > I'm not set up yet with a computer, sound card etc. to > try these out, so I'm hoping to get some reviews of > how these programs work compared to the EDP for live > on the fly application from those who've used them > with live acoustic inputs. The first thing you should decide is whether you want to use a Mac, PC or Linux. If you have a preference, that will limit your choices as not all of these are available on all platforms. Next, decide if you prefer something that runs by itself or runs as a plugin inside another application. Standalone programs can be simpler to configure and use, plugins are much more flexible. Some loopers only run standalone, some only as plugins, some both. If you are specifically interested in something that works like an EDP, Mobius (PC) and SooperLooper (Mac/Linux) will come the closest as their designs were inspired by the EDP. But the EDP is a *very deep* device. If you have no prior experience with it and just want to do overdubs with feedback, you may find these loopers somewhat overwhelming. Plan to spend some time with the manuals. If you intend to use it on stage, then stability is an important concern. Some of the loopers on this list are commercial products, others are written by individuals in their spare time. I don't gig live so I can't offer good advice on this issue. Since the PSP 42 is a commercial product I would expect it to be stable. Several people on this list use Augustus Loop live. The others may be fine depending on what you want to do with them, just never try anything live you haven't rehearsed in the studio. Here is my quick assessment of each looper. I have a personal interest in one of these (see if you can guess which one :-) but I am trying to be fair. Others will no doubt disagree, but here goes. Augustus Loop - Mac/AU plugin More of a "tape loop" emulator than an EDP-style looper, but it has some very nice features. Several people use it live, it appears to be quite stable. This will probably be the #1 recommended looper on the Mac. Musolomo - Mac/AU plugin I would call this more of a "phrase sampler" than a looper. Once a loop is captured you can do several interesting things with it, but there is no overdub or feedback that I could see. Lexicon PSP 42 - Mac & PC / plugin I would call this a delay-oriented effects unit that has some looping features. I don't have any experience with it but it looks like a phrase sampler, not sure if it supports overdub and feedback but I would be surprised if it didn't. For $150 it had better be stable. SooperLooper - Mac & Linux/Standalone but supports Jack This has a large set of features, though I've heard there may be some issues with the alignment of successive overdubs. It is not a VST or Audio Units plugin but it supports Jack which is similar to ReWire on the PC. Jack can be hard to configure, so I would consider this a standalone looper unless you're into tinkering. Elottronix - PC/VST plugin This has been around a long time and appears fairly stable. It is designed to emulate a tape looper so it doesn't have the most features, but what it does it does well. And it's real pretty. On the PC, I would start with this one and see if it does what you want. AngstroLooper - PC / VST plugin This doesn't seem to be mentioned much, but it looks like a nice simple looper with good basic feature set. The "touch" function looks unique and interesting. This would be my second stop on the PC. Loopy Llama - PC & Mac/VST plugin This one is relatively new, but I think the author uses it live. Its features are similar to a DL-4 or JamMan, and I found it easy to use. This would be my third stop on the PC. Mobius - PC / Standalone or VST plugin Mobius has the broadest coverage of EDP features, but as a result it has a fairly steep learning curve if you're not already familiar with the EDP. It is relatively young and has been known to crash, though basic overdubs with feedback should be ok. Check this out if you decide Elottronix, AngstroLooper, and Loopy Llama aren't powerful enough. AmbiLoop - PC / Standalone This has been around awhile, is stable and has some nice features, but the main issue for most people is that it cannot be run as a VST plugin. I have had issues with crossfades at the loop point that cause clicks, so you have to be careful. The builtin effects are convenient. The ability to run several loops in parallel is powerful, though may be difficult to control live. Coldcutter - PC / VST plugin This doesn't look like a looper to me. It takes a loop (not sure if it can record) chops it up and plays back the segments in random order according to a set of parameters. No overdub or feedback that I can see. Interesting but not what I would call a looper. Loopitch - PC / plugin I haven't tried this and there isn't much information on the web. The download page has some disturbing comments like "This is an early demo intended to generate feedback" and "if I can ever get the VST version happy with a few hosts!" so it does not appear to be under active development and may have stability problems. Divine Machine - PC / Standalone & VST plugin This looks more like a static loop manipulation and triggering tool. No overdub and feedback, I'm not even sure it can record. It is very powerful but not what I would call a real-time looper. Freewheeling - Linux/Standalone This looks interesting but it only runs on Linux. Unless you are also a computer geek (and I mean that in the nicest way) I don't recommend Linux for musicians. You will have far more options on the PC or Mac. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 9 18:56:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F357E3BF2A; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 18:55:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tiekC4X92bWw2uBgwlaQIh82aFqp5RSuYdk+0coxOVFvJKlQcSLMewkfSYxpGPhfsXAE+kYVKM1cCC9yN7pZ/2P3iihM6jrHtYjRvLoayyCxw5aP6/4fTNv3pXjSmY7MZ13ydhhnNip/Bm2NK1kYs051d3Qs0CzVGv8J0sla7Hg= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:55:57 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Wish list for EDP (was "Control Learn" for the EDP) The future of the EDP (no suggestions!) In-Reply-To: <20050809184249.GTJ16890.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050809184249.GTJ16890.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <2Z6ZY.A.YhG._wP-CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 18:55:59 +0000 (UTC) Oh, and being able to clear out a loop while I'm playing back another one. So, Loop 1 is playing, I press a button and Loop 2 is reset to empty, but Loop 1 keeps playing. TravisH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 9 19:32:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B18C43BF23; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 19:32:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 14:32:04 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: software that emulates Echoplex DP In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42F904B4.8010309@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20050809155657.33841.qmail@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 19:32:10 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > The big challenge in software looping is to get around the AD/DA > latency, IMHO. The only way to do that is to use a software that moves > every new loop layer recorded a bit forward in time, to compensate for > the latency of the computer hardware. No such live looping software > seems to be available today (please correct me if I'm wrong). Mobius does latency compensation as you describe. It was probably the single most difficult thing to implement because it impacts so many internal calculations besides just lining up overdubs. For example, when you receive a MIDI event that ends a recording, you can't end it immediately, you have to wait until all of the input buffers have been received, otherwise you'll chop off a little of the end of what the user thinks they recorded. At ASIO latencies, this is difficult to detect, but it's really obvious with large buffer sizes. Similarly, whenever you make an abrupt playback transition such as going into reverse or triggering a loop, you have to skip over a bit of the beginning of the next loop because the output buffers are already full of content from the previous loop and they still have to drain. This is especially important when you're synchronizing. It's easier when you're quantizing because we know ahead of time when the transition will occur and begin output buffering of the next loop before we actually get there (does that make any sense :-) I certainly can't claim to have all the bugs worked out, but it seems to work reasonably well. The one thing I haven't been able to get my head around is how to do continuous playback rate changes (speed up, slow down) and at the same time do latency compensation "correctly". I finally decided not to bother because if you're changing the playback rate then you're almost certainly out of sync with any external devices anyway. So the minute dealignment caused by incorrect latency compensation is impossible to hear. Sorry for all the techo-babble, but it's something I love to talk about :-) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 9 19:56:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09D393BF2D; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 19:55:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Jn+Q4pabhBZRpcUs7OJ93KCvNTbr+9CNMYVMg5TtgywukhsuFVc10/1oob367S6uz+1bXw+B/dSMVcasCmrhpZWD/KAdmE5ecfOmrsnwv4UTAk7IBh8dLd2ppuxf6eeulD7qu8gUT50etsKVFDHjiFtPHdZn771DQ4v8J6i6N4c= Message-ID: <588ce11d050809125542309c40@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:55:58 -0700 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: software that emulates Echoplex DP In-Reply-To: <42F8FA93.9030807@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050809155657.33841.qmail@web30012.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <42F8FA93.9030807@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2JdkBC.A.0OB.PpQ-CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 19:55:59 +0000 (UTC) Really nice summary Jeff, I'd just add a couple of things. One the PC I agree that Elottronix and Angstrolooper are the best "first stops". I find Elottronix better for the free-form, amorphous, floating in space kind of looping (if that makes any sense). Angstrolooper I use a lot to make a repeating loops of guitar chords, synced to a rhythm pattern that I solo over. It's a better choice I think for syncing in straight 4/8/16/32 bar increments. Switching between the 4/8/16/32 setting also makes some nice glitch effects. On 8/9/05, Jeff Larson wrote: > > I'm not set up yet with a computer, sound card etc. to > > try these out, so I'm hoping to get some reviews of > > how these programs work compared to the EDP for live > > on the fly application from those who've used them > > with live acoustic inputs. >=20 > The first thing you should decide is whether you want to use a Mac, PC > or Linux. If you have a preference, that will limit your choices as > not all of these are available on all platforms. >=20 > Next, decide if you prefer something that runs by itself or runs as a > plugin inside another application. Standalone programs can be simpler > to configure and use, plugins are much more flexible. Some loopers > only run standalone, some only as plugins, some both. >=20 > If you are specifically interested in something that works like an > EDP, Mobius (PC) and SooperLooper (Mac/Linux) will come the closest as > their designs were inspired by the EDP. But the EDP is a *very deep* > device. If you have no prior experience with it and just want to do > overdubs with feedback, you may find these loopers somewhat > overwhelming. Plan to spend some time with the manuals. >=20 > If you intend to use it on stage, then stability is an important > concern. Some of the loopers on this list are commercial products, > others are written by individuals in their spare time. I don't gig > live so I can't offer good advice on this issue. Since the PSP 42 > is a commercial product I would expect it to be stable. Several > people on this list use Augustus Loop live. The others may be > fine depending on what you want to do with them, just never try > anything live you haven't rehearsed in the studio. >=20 > Here is my quick assessment of each looper. I have a personal > interest in one of these (see if you can guess which one :-) > but I am trying to be fair. Others will no doubt disagree, > but here goes. >=20 >=20 > Augustus Loop - Mac/AU plugin >=20 > More of a "tape loop" emulator than an EDP-style looper, but it has > some very nice features. Several people use it live, it appears to be > quite stable. This will probably be the #1 recommended looper on the Mac= . >=20 > Musolomo - Mac/AU plugin >=20 > I would call this more of a "phrase sampler" than a looper. Once a > loop is captured you can do several interesting things with it, > but there is no overdub or feedback that I could see. >=20 > Lexicon PSP 42 - Mac & PC / plugin >=20 > I would call this a delay-oriented effects unit that has some looping > features. I don't have any experience with it but it looks like a > phrase sampler, not sure if it supports overdub and feedback but I would > be surprised if it didn't. For $150 it had better be stable. >=20 > SooperLooper - Mac & Linux/Standalone but supports Jack >=20 > This has a large set of features, though I've heard there may be some > issues with the alignment of successive overdubs. It is not > a VST or Audio Units plugin but it supports Jack which is similar > to ReWire on the PC. Jack can be hard to configure, so I would consider > this a standalone looper unless you're into tinkering. >=20 >=20 > Elottronix - PC/VST plugin >=20 > This has been around a long time and appears fairly stable. It > is designed to emulate a tape looper so it doesn't have the most > features, but what it does it does well. And it's real pretty. > On the PC, I would start with this one and see if it does what > you want. >=20 > AngstroLooper - PC / VST plugin >=20 > This doesn't seem to be mentioned much, but it looks like a nice > simple looper with good basic feature set. The "touch" function > looks unique and interesting. This would be my second stop > on the PC. >=20 > Loopy Llama - PC & Mac/VST plugin >=20 > This one is relatively new, but I think the author uses it live. Its > features are similar to a DL-4 or JamMan, and I found it easy to use. > This would be my third stop on the PC. >=20 > Mobius - PC / Standalone or VST plugin >=20 > Mobius has the broadest coverage of EDP features, but as a result it > has a fairly steep learning curve if you're not already familiar with > the EDP. It is relatively young and has been known to crash, though > basic overdubs with feedback should be ok. Check this out if you > decide Elottronix, AngstroLooper, and Loopy Llama aren't powerful enough. >=20 > AmbiLoop - PC / Standalone >=20 > This has been around awhile, is stable and has some nice features, but > the main issue for most people is that it cannot be run as a VST > plugin. I have had issues with crossfades at the loop point that > cause clicks, so you have to be careful. The builtin effects are > convenient. The ability to run several loops in parallel is powerful, > though may be difficult to control live. >=20 > Coldcutter - PC / VST plugin >=20 > This doesn't look like a looper to me. It takes a loop (not sure > if it can record) chops it up and plays back the segments in random > order according to a set of parameters. No overdub or feedback > that I can see. Interesting but not what I would call a looper. >=20 > Loopitch - PC / plugin >=20 > I haven't tried this and there isn't much information on the web. The > download page has some disturbing comments like "This is an early demo > intended to generate feedback" and "if I can ever get the VST version > happy with a few hosts!" so it does not appear to be under active > development and may have stability problems. >=20 > Divine Machine - PC / Standalone & VST plugin >=20 > This looks more like a static loop manipulation and triggering tool. > No overdub and feedback, I'm not even sure it can record. It is very > powerful but not what I would call a real-time looper. >=20 >=20 > Freewheeling - Linux/Standalone >=20 > This looks interesting but it only runs on Linux. Unless you are also > a computer geek (and I mean that in the nicest way) I don't > recommend Linux for musicians. You will have far more options on > the PC or Mac. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --=20 Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 9 21:42:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D7743BF17; Tue, 9 Aug 2005 21:42:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=DyAvTjRG3Cpwd1sRPvRsH0iR4ToQoRODPi9QdPwXPNqPWpclOydUDwUqaJMNQZBl4/KsrM/I+bjcxBBL11HD99WgF60dta8/yYikAQbA+4pVR3qORrRpGEctfao28ImmSIC3foGRQeQQUsV2o8w4Oe4oTODiMlgpICem0GngrH8= ; Message-ID: <20050809214251.2942.qmail@web34211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 14:42:51 -0700 (PDT) From: grw20022 Subject: Re: AW: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003501c59cfd$948db120$c1b31345@Biffoz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1316285259-1123623771=:1391" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 21:42:52 +0000 (UTC) --0-1316285259-1123623771=:1391 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit did you hear the the korg KLC controller with the softsynth software that they have? Gerry Miko Biffle wrote:FWIW: DO NOT buy any controller that isn't capable of sending any/all of the 128 possible CC or Note On / Note Off strings, in both momentary or toggle mode. At some point, you'll highly regret it and be sitting there with a piece of gear you realize you don't want to use anymore... AND you'll still be looking for a full-featured controller to boot. That's why I've put up with my bitchy PMC-10 for all these years! (had the chance to grab an All-Access at one time, but didn't... damn, damn, damn.) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1316285259-1123623771=:1391 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
did you hear the the korg KLC controller with the softsynth software that they have? Gerry

Miko Biffle <biffoz@arczip.com> wrote:
FWIW: DO NOT buy any controller that isn't capable of sending any/all of the
128 possible CC or Note On / Note Off strings, in both momentary or toggle
mode. At some point, you'll highly regret it and be sitting there with a
piece of gear you realize you don't want to use anymore... AND you'll still
be looking for a full-featured controller to boot. That's why I've put up
with my bitchy PMC-10 for all these years! (had the chance to grab an
All-Access at one time, but didn't... damn, damn, damn.)


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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1316285259-1123623771=:1391-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 10 02:32:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06D3B3BF2D; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 02:32:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "hazard factor" To: Subject: RE: AW: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 22:32:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcWc+qvrmJSpZGgMTCamTQ2J9soLJAAWO/sg In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20050809084943.029d2e88@mail02.powweb.com> Message-ID: <0MKoyl-1E2gOk34ho-0002Y8@mrelay.perfora.net> X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:fa9bc34ad439039e7364dd8f7650d71a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 02:32:57 +0000 (UTC) Wow, this is crazy expensive for something that neither generates audio or alters it. Makes the Rocktron seem like a bargain. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com > Even more expensive but easy to find (direct from > manufacturer) is the new FX1 from Axess Electronics: > http://www.axess-electronics.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 10 04:35:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B10C3BF23; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 04:35:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: AW: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 00:36:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C59D43.84795140" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcWdK0xZqeYGo2B5RFqyWmU20XGvmAAOX7Zg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20050809214251.2942.qmail@web34211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-Id: <20050810043538.62A993BF17@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 04:35:40 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C59D43.84795140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Miko, I looked into the all access at one point. You could issue note on/off but could not send note off on a button release. That was a deal breaker. Actually, the roland pk-5 is another option it can send many message types. _____ From: grw20022 [mailto:grw20022@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 5:43 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? did you hear the the korg KLC controller with the softsynth software that they have? Gerry Miko Biffle wrote: FWIW: DO NOT buy any controller that isn't capable of sending any/all of the 128 possible CC or Note On / Note Off strings, in both momentary or toggle mode. At some point, you'll highly regret it and be sitting there with a piece of gear you realize you don't want to use anymore... AND you'll still be looking for a full-featured controller to boot. That's why I've put up with my bitchy PMC-10 for all these years! (had the chance to grab an All-Access at one time, but didn't... damn, damn, damn.) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C59D43.84795140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Miko,

 

I looked into the all access at one = point. You could issue note on/off but could not send note off on a button = release. That was a deal breaker. Actually, the roland pk-5 is another option it can = send many message types.

 

From: = grw20022 [mailto:grw20022@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, = 2005 5:43 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: AW: = Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control?

 

did you hear the the korg KLC controller with the softsynth = software that they have? Gerry

Miko Biffle <biffoz@arczip.com> wrote: =

FWIW: DO NOT = buy any controller that isn't capable of sending any/all of the
128 possible CC or Note On / Note Off strings, in both momentary or = toggle
mode. At some point, you'll highly regret it and be sitting there with = a
piece of gear you realize you don't want to use anymore... AND you'll = still
be looking for a full-featured controller to boot. That's why I've put = up
with my bitchy PMC-10 for all these years! (had the chance to grab = an
All-Access at one time, but didn't... damn, damn, damn.)

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------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C59D43.84795140-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 10 04:54:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE1353BF2C; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 04:54:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: MARK YOUR CALENDERS: Two Improvisational Looping Web-Based Performances (August 17 - Times Below) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 22:54:31 -0600 Message-ID: <00ab01c59d67$98ba84c0$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C59D35.4E2014C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-SpamDetect: **: 2.022000 Subject Unsubscribe=1.0,Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3,Aspam=-0.8 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 122, in=392, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 04:54:36 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C59D35.4E2014C0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_00AD_01C59D35.4E2014C0" ------=_NextPart_001_00AD_01C59D35.4E2014C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello All - Now that I have the technology figured out and tested, I have decided to stream at least one web-based performance (WBP) a month from my home studio, and more if I'm not streaming my live gigs at WI-FI enabled venues. Also look out for some of my fellow musicians from Boise, Idaho (USA) sitting in with me in a performance in the near future! Here are the details of my first pair of official improvisational looping WBPs! "Looper's Lunch" and "Lights Out with Looping" Web-Based Performances 45 minutes of live improvisational looping streamed to the web in real-time Who: Me (Krispen Hartung) on acoustic guitar & sitar, percussion, and vocals When: Wednesday, August 17 at... * 11am US Pacific, 12pm US Mountain, 1pm US Central, 2pm US Eastern, 7pm (London), 8pm (Stockholm/Rome/Paris) * 4pm US Pacific, 5pm US Mountain, 6pm US Central, 7pm US Eastern, 12am (London), 1am (Stockholm/Rome/Paris) Where: http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen") Availability: The performance will be limited to 30 listening seats, so it is a first come first serve basis (if you can't get in, keep trying in case someone drops out) Real-Time Feedback To provide real-time feedback to me while I perform, you may send instant messages to me using the Yahoo, MSN, AOL, or ICQ instant messengers, sent to the following user names / IDs: * Yahoo Messenger: kris_hartung * MSN Messenger: kris.hartung@hp.com * AOL Messenger (AIM): krispenhartung * ICQ: 272583693 System Requirements Users can listen to SHOUTcast on a variety of platforms and players (e.g. Windows Media Player, MusicMatch, etc). Recommended players are as follows: * Windows users should use Winamp < http://www.winamp.com/winamp/download> * Mac users should use Audion < http://www.panic.com/ppack/audion/index.html> * Linux/X Windows users should use XMMS < http://www.xmms.org> Please don't hesitate to email with any questions regarding system requirements, performance times, or stream access. ************************************************************************ ********* Krispen Hartung Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 Subscribe to email list: krispenhartung-subscribe@yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Communication tool Entertainment arts United states Idaho United state army United state coin _____ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "boisemusicians " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: boisemusicians-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . _____ ------=_NextPart_001_00AD_01C59D35.4E2014C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
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Now that I have the = technology=20 figured out and tested, I have decided to stream at least one web-based=20 performance (WBP) a month from my home studio, and more if I'm not = streaming my=20 live gigs at WI-FI enabled venues.  Also=20 look out for some of my fellow musicians from Boise, Idaho (USA) sitting = in with=20 me in a performance in the near future!

Here are the details = of my=20 first pair of official improvisational looping WBPs!

"Looper's Lunch" = and "Lights=20 Out with Looping" Web-Based=20 Performances

45 minutes of live = improvisational=20 looping streamed to the web in real-time

Who: Me (Krispen Hartung) on acoustic guitar & sitar, = percussion, and=20 vocals

When: Wednesday, August = 17 at...=20

  • 11am US Pacific, = 12pm US=20 Mountain, 1pm US Central, 2pm US Eastern, 7pm=20 (London), 8pm (Stockholm/Rome/Paris)=20
  • 4pm US Pacific, 5pm US Mountain, 6pm US Central, 7pm US Eastern, 12am = (London), 1am=20 (Stockholm/Rome/Paris)

Where: http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen")

Availability: The performance will be = limited to 30=20 listening seats, so it is a first come first serve basis (if you can't get in, keep trying in case someone drops=20 out)

Real-Time=20 Feedback
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System=20 Requirements

Users can listen to = SHOUTcast on a=20 variety of platforms and players (e.g. Windows Media Player, MusicMatch, = etc).=20 Recommended players are as follows:

Please don't hesitate = to email with=20 any questions regarding system requirements, performance times, or = stream=20 access.

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Recommended players = are as follows: \n\n* Windows users should use Winamp . \n* Mac users should use = Audion . \n* Linux/X Windows users should use XMMS . \n\n\n\n\n\n SUMMARY:"Looper's Lunch" and "Lights Out with Looping" Web-Based Performance PRIORITY:5 CLASS:PUBLIC BEGIN:VALARM TRIGGER:-PT15M ACTION:DISPLAY DESCRIPTION:Reminder END:VALARM END:VEVENT END:VCALENDAR ------=_NextPart_000_00AC_01C59D35.4E2014C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 10 06:27:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B65613BF17; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 06:27:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jesse Kates Subject: I ask the impossible Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 01:27:19 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-DCC-ipwdcc-2-Metrics: host222.ipowerweb.com 209; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 06:27:26 +0000 (UTC) I'm sorry in advance because I'm sure you've all covered this ground 100 times, but here's my situation - I have a DL4. It's fine, but I am at a point where I need two things - 1. Stereo looping 2. Longer loop time I am not that concerned re: preserving the half-time and reverse function, cool as they are. I do need feedback control or a unit that overdubs with a slow decay like the DL4. Are there any options for me other than the hefty, hefty approach of buying two Echoplexes and running them in Stereo? Jesse Kates * www.jessekates.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 10 06:32:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F12633BF2D; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 06:32:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: I ask the impossible Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 23:32:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcWddJRQFJFBiU/FQ5KZnNS9va1lhAAAH/xQ In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Message-Id: <20050810063239.FXBR3209.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 06:32:41 +0000 (UTC) http://cgi.ebay.com/Electrix-Repeater-OS-1-1_W0QQitemZ7342348269QQcategoryZ1 01974QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem The price is right--and you get four tracks-- I like the EDP better, but The Repeater craps all over a DL4 Gary -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Kates [mailto:jesse@lunarium.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 11:27 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: I ask the impossible I'm sorry in advance because I'm sure you've all covered this ground 100 times, but here's my situation - I have a DL4. It's fine, but I am at a point where I need two things - 1. Stereo looping 2. Longer loop time I am not that concerned re: preserving the half-time and reverse function, cool as they are. I do need feedback control or a unit that overdubs with a slow decay like the DL4. Are there any options for me other than the hefty, hefty approach of buying two Echoplexes and running them in Stereo? Jesse Kates * www.jessekates.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 10 06:33:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDA323BF36; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 06:33:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: I ask the impossible Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 02:34:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcWddJRQwo1U3QnfS+e6fW95HBsSAQAAN+qA In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20050810063359.6ACC53BF12@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 06:33:59 +0000 (UTC) Electrix repeater meets those requirements. Also, the jamman dry signal is in stereo. The loop is mono. -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Kates [mailto:jesse@lunarium.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 2:27 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: I ask the impossible I'm sorry in advance because I'm sure you've all covered this ground 100 times, but here's my situation - I have a DL4. It's fine, but I am at a point where I need two things - 1. Stereo looping 2. Longer loop time I am not that concerned re: preserving the half-time and reverse function, cool as they are. I do need feedback control or a unit that overdubs with a slow decay like the DL4. Are there any options for me other than the hefty, hefty approach of buying two Echoplexes and running them in Stereo? Jesse Kates * www.jessekates.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 10 10:24:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94A603BF39; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:24:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nPhn8ZoESLKbXZkqfevqZaNBxGRkxEadpeQ14RDDwgbic+v47BUXLoWsR2Mq/uUx8MQErJ48229drQrZzi/k1cBtXFf2m88eSfJoRjNbh+fzrktOC3vshPxr5j01jPYQwHXPF3VYhdlZHQmn7yXY53gI08hOyZUsPO6xLRkm+3k= ; Message-ID: <20050810102446.77935.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 03:24:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050809170214.A1AFF3BF0E@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:24:48 +0000 (UTC) Ive had esxperiences with the Digitech PMC10,Rocktron all access, ground control and Behringer FCB1010,The dream come tue foot controller would be the PMC10 if they would reissue it with a more stable software,other than that the Behringer is without a doubt the best one to control the EDP,and ive never had any issues with it.But i agree that the manual is oce again written in chinese! Luis --- Bill Edmondson wrote: > I thought the same - built like a tank. I've had two > negative episodes after > now very long (brand new unit). > > 1) the midi in connector, mounted to the > motherboard, began 'caving in' > toward the inside of the unit. Now I have to > maneuver the midi cable just > right to be able to insert it. > > 2) at one of the gigs, I press a fcb1010 footswitch > to perform a program > change on 2 roland gr-33's. instead of a horn patch, > it called up a drum > patch! What a mess! I assume that I had pressed a > bank up or something by > accident. It turns out that the fcb1010 had lost > it's marbles for the > moment. It was reproducible by selecting a different > footswitch and coming > back to the problem selection. After resetting the > fcb1010, everything was > back to normal. I can only suspect that the ram > content were corrupted for > some reason. > > Cheap is as cheap does. > > I've been on the lookout for a replacement ever > since and I've decided to > enforce a 'no behringer' policy in my studio. > > Also, it's a complete bear to program. > > Not a big fan. > > -----Original Message----- > From: S V G [mailto:vsyevolod@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 12:16 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music > Ground Control? > > > Dave, > > Behringer has been slagged a lot on this list > as well as others. > Sometimes they really > deserve it, as in their budget line of mixers. Some > people on this list > swear by their higher end > mixers, claiming them to be superior to the higher > priced Mackie's. This is > just to say don't > judge a company on only a few of their products. > > The FCB1010 is built like a tank, it should > give many many years of > trouble free operation. > Just make sure that the pedals are calibrated and > that you clear out ALL of > the presets that come > with it. Also be sure to get the latest EPROM's, > you can usually call up > the nearest factory > outlet in your country and they'll ship you the > latest for free. That was > my experience anyway. > The switches are relatively quiet. Once you get > your head around how to > program it, it's easy. I > was never able or willing to go that far, combined > with realizing that it > didn't fit my own > playing style, so I let mine go. > > I've never used the Ground Control Pro so I > can't weigh in on that > unit. If reliability is > what you're after, you should be pretty happy with > the FCB1010. > > Stephen > > > > > I have been pretty staunchly anti-behringer for > > years, I've justified this purchase by saying to > myself that at least > > I'm not passing audio through it. But I am worried > about sturdiness, I > > play about 100 gigs a year and need stuff that is > reliable and doesn't > > break. The good side of the Behringer is that it's > almost unbelievably > > cheap, and seems to be very flexible as far as > MIDI programmability. > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 10 12:10:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F7C93BF33; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:10:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: FW: Loopfestival contribution on Swiss national radio Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:09:32 +0200 Message-ID: <022a01c59da4$6bf0aea0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:10:41 +0000 (UTC) Dear Loopfest-Infested I am very happy to announce that there will be a 10 to 15 minute contribution about the International Loopfestival Z=FCrich on the Swiss national radio station DRS2 in the emission "Jazz aktuell" on Tuesday, August 23rd between 21:00 and 22:00 hours featuring an interview about = live looping, the festival, and some sounds played live. If you're within reach of this station please tune in! Thank you Bernhard http://nosuch.biz http://loopfestival.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 10 13:45:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 898693BF33; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:45:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Sitar Effects, revisted Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 07:45:07 -0600 Message-ID: <00d101c59db1$b87f7460$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D2_01C59D7F.6DE50460" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 123, in=411, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:45:12 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01C59D7F.6DE50460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Back on the sitar emulation topic again, I found this free VST effect that is sort of fun: Dronebox http://www.oli.adbe.org/plugins.htm Now what would be bizarre is if I ran my actual sitar through this or another sitar emulation effect.talk about overkill! :) ************************************************************************ ********* Krispen Hartung Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 Subscribe to email list: krispenhartung-subscribe@yahoogroups.com ------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01C59D7F.6DE50460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sitar Effects, revisted

Back on the sitar emulation topic = again, I found this free VST effect that is sort of fun:

Dronebox
http://www.oli.adbe.org/plugins.htm

Now what would be bizarre is if I ran = my actual sitar through this or another sitar emulation = effect…talk about overkill!  :)

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Krispen Hartung
Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping = Guitarist
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com / = 208-724-5603
Subscribe to email list: = krispenhartung-subscribe@yahoogroups.com


------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01C59D7F.6DE50460-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 10 14:08:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EA643BF38; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:08:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [213.118.136.172] X-Originating-Email: [davyvandenbremt@hotmail.com] X-Sender: davyvandenbremt@hotmail.com From: "Davy Van Den Bremt" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Sitar Effects, revisted Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:08:17 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2005 14:08:17.0714 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4D41120:01C59DB4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:08:19 +0000 (UTC) Hi Krispen, The plug-in you're mentioning is actually a bank of comb filters (+ some extra stuff). You might be interested in the following ones too... - Audiomulch's 5Comb (http://www.audiomulch.com/). Audiomulch even has a single comb filter so you can construct your own bank. - Ableton Live's Resonators (http://www.ableton.com/). - Concrete FX's Brush (http://www.concretefx.com/Brush.htm) You can also play the Dronebox using a MIDI keyboard (or a sequencer or so) to generate "chord sequences" as resonator frequencies. Problem I had with the dronebox is you have to each different note of the chord on a different MIDI channel. In order to bypass this problem, I have written a vst-plug-in which has a midi in and splits all chords onto different channels. So per channel, there's only one note active at the same time. If you'd be interested, just contact me and I'll send you the plug-in. It's the only plug-in I've ever written, but It works fine in Plogue, EnergyXT,... Greetings, Davy Van Den Bremt http://www.davyvandenbremt.be/ Krispen Hartung wrote: >Back on the sitar emulation topic again, I found this free VST effect that >is sort of fun: > >Dronebox >_http://www.oli.adbe.org/plugins.htm_ > >Now what would be bizarre is if I ran my actual sitar through this or >another sitar emulation effect…talk about overkill! :) > >********************************************************************************* > >Krispen Hartung >Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist >_http://www.krispenhartung.com_ >info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 >Subscribe to email list: krispenhartung-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 10 14:15:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83E133BF3D; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:15:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:17:37 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: I ask the impossible To: Jesse Kates , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00b201c59db6$5ffdbb80$9715be18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:15:15 +0000 (UTC) Boss DD-20. It has stereo to begin with. Buy two - they're cheap. Read all about it in the Tools section of the LD web site. I've been in heaven with two since I got them this past late winter. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large coyotelk@optonline.net "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." --- Hunter S. Thompson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse Kates" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 2:27 AM Subject: I ask the impossible > I'm sorry in advance because I'm sure you've all covered this ground > 100 times, but here's my situation - > > I have a DL4. It's fine, but I am at a point where I need two things - > > 1. Stereo looping > 2. Longer loop time > > I am not that concerned re: preserving the half-time and reverse > function, cool as they are. I do need feedback control or a unit that > overdubs with a slow decay like the DL4. > > Are there any options for me other than the hefty, hefty approach of > buying two Echoplexes and running them in Stereo? > > Jesse Kates * www.jessekates.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 10 15:16:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BBC03BF33; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:16:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <00b201c59db6$5ffdbb80$9715be18@oemcomputer> References: <00b201c59db6$5ffdbb80$9715be18@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jesse Kates Subject: Re: I ask the impossible Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:16:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-DCC-ipwdcc-Metrics: host222.ipowerweb.com 207; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:16:50 +0000 (UTC) I read about the DD-20 extensively. How does the Decay work when you're in Sound on Sound mode? I want the older loops to die down like on the DL4. On Aug 10, 2005, at 9:17 AM, Douglas Baldwin wrote: > Boss DD-20. It has stereo to begin with. Buy two - they're cheap. Read > all > about it in the Tools section of the LD web site. I've been in heaven > with > two since I got them this past late winter. > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > coyotelk@optonline.net > > "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic > hallway where pimps and thieves run free and good men die like dogs. > There's > also a negative side." > --- Hunter S. Thompson > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jesse Kates" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 2:27 AM > Subject: I ask the impossible > > >> I'm sorry in advance because I'm sure you've all covered this ground >> 100 times, but here's my situation - >> >> I have a DL4. It's fine, but I am at a point where I need two things >> - >> >> 1. Stereo looping >> 2. Longer loop time >> >> I am not that concerned re: preserving the half-time and reverse >> function, cool as they are. I do need feedback control or a unit that >> overdubs with a slow decay like the DL4. >> >> Are there any options for me other than the hefty, hefty approach of >> buying two Echoplexes and running them in Stereo? >> >> Jesse Kates * www.jessekates.com >> > > > Jesse Kates * www.jessekates.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 10 15:17:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B7D43BF41; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:17:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <20050810063239.FXBR3209.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20050810063239.FXBR3209.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jesse Kates Subject: Re: I ask the impossible Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:17:15 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-DCC-ipwdcc-Metrics: host222.ipowerweb.com 207; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Resent-Message-ID: <_v3Qf.A.mTH.Dqh-CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 15:17:23 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the suggestion - I'll check it out! Glad to hear there's an option under $4K. :) On Aug 10, 2005, at 1:32 AM, Gary Lehmann wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/Electrix-Repeater-OS-1 > -1_W0QQitemZ7342348269QQcategoryZ1 > 01974QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > The price is right--and you get four tracks-- > I like the EDP better, but The Repeater craps all over a DL4 > Gary > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jesse Kates [mailto:jesse@lunarium.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 11:27 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: I ask the impossible > > I'm sorry in advance because I'm sure you've all covered this ground > 100 times, but here's my situation - > > I have a DL4. It's fine, but I am at a point where I need two things - > > 1. Stereo looping > 2. Longer loop time > > I am not that concerned re: preserving the half-time and reverse > function, cool as they are. I do need feedback control or a unit that > overdubs with a slow decay like the DL4. > > Are there any options for me other than the hefty, hefty approach of > buying two Echoplexes and running them in Stereo? > > Jesse Kates * www.jessekates.com > > > > > Jesse Kates * www.jessekates.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 10 16:05:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A620C3BF36; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:05:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:10:19 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Loopfestival contribution on Swiss national radio To: Message-id: <000c01c59dc6$018b02a0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <022a01c59da4$6bf0aea0$2101a8c0@alhambra> Resent-Message-ID: <_b9oL.A.HEB.LXi-CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:05:31 +0000 (UTC) To listen to this, surf to the URL below and click on the Web Radio icon on the right side of the page. http://www.drs.ch/drs2.html August 23rd - between 9 and 10pm Swiss time, so I think that is 3-4pm New York and 12-1pm San Fran time. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 8:09 AM Subject: FW: Loopfestival contribution on Swiss national radio Dear Loopfest-Infested I am very happy to announce that there will be a 10 to 15 minute contribution about the International Loopfestival Zürich on the Swiss national radio station DRS2 in the emission "Jazz aktuell" on Tuesday, August 23rd between 21:00 and 22:00 hours featuring an interview about live looping, the festival, and some sounds played live. If you're within reach of this station please tune in! Thank you Bernhard http://nosuch.biz http://loopfestival.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 10 16:07:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 386703BF38; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:07:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.200] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <004201c54420$ec3389d0$70f0bd3f@jperlinipc> From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EHX 16 software update? Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:07:53 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Aug 2005 16:07:53.0500 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9EE1DC0:01C59DC5] Resent-Message-ID: <3YdHuC.A.uOB.aZi-CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:07:55 +0000 (UTC) I just read a post on Harmony Central that you could send back the box to remove the 4 bar count in. Has anyone done this? Thanks Lou From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 10 17:10:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 615B03BF2F; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:10:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:10:24 -0700 Subject: Re: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: David Trenkel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <20050810102446.77935.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:10:31 +0000 (UTC) Hey everybody, Thanks for all the discussion and tips regarding foot controllers. I got an email yesterday that my FCB was shipped and will be arriving tomorrow. So I guess I am giving it a shot to see if it works to me. I have gigs on friday and saturday, and I'm hoping to get at least some functionality programmed into the FCB by then. Seems ambitious, but I have been visualizing how I will use the FCB for several months now, and I have already downloaded the software editor. It's comforting to hear that at least SOME FCB owners find it reliable. Mine will be living in a pedalboard, so it should be protected from road rigors. Hopefully it won't have any serious problems out of the box, but I am still skeptical, given my previous Behringer experiences. Anyway, I'm really looking forward to what the footcontroller will allow me to do. As a bass player in a groove-oriented band, there are not a lot of times I have my hands free to tweak parameters. But, as the band gets more and more electronic, and especially considering that my extra-band activities involve a lot of looping and electronics, I want to get in on the act as well. If any Portland-area loopers want to see how well or badly I manage to get this all together by the weekend, we are doing a more-loop-intensive-than-usual show this Saturday, the 13th, at the Goodfoot lounge, 2845 SE Stark. We're sharing the bill with Surrounded by Ninja's, the duo of Asher Fulero (keys, electronics) and Joel Barber (turntables, electronics) who are, in my opinion, one of the most accomplished looping acts that I have seen. They recently switched from using dual synced Repeaters to using powerbooks running Live, I haven't seen them since so it should be interesting. We'll be doing some jamming with them as well. Also, we're playing Friday at Jimmy Mak's, which will probably be a more jazz-oriented set. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 10 18:37:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1D3E3BF3D; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:37:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:37:31 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: mech Subject: Re: I ask the impossible Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 18:37:36 +0000 (UTC) At 1:27 AM -0500 8/10/05, Jesse Kates wrote: > >I have a DL4. It's fine, but I am at a point where I need two things - > >1. Stereo looping >2. Longer loop time > >I am not that concerned re: preserving the half-time and reverse >function, cool as they are. I do need feedback control or a unit >that overdubs with a slow decay like the DL4. If you wish to stay on familiar ground with the Line 6 stuff, you might also consider upgrading to the Line 6 Echo Pro. It has the same feature set as the DL4, but is in an upgraded rack-mount chassis with extra RAM (up to 60 seconds loop time in normal mode) and MIDI control. You're going to run into two Achilles' heels with the Echo Pro, however: First, it won't sync to MIDI Clock. All of its major functions can be controlled by MIDI commands, however. Second, like the Jamman and the DL4, the Echo Pro collapses the loop itself into mono, while everything else (direct sound, echoes) remains in stereo. (argh! and again: argh!) This is and always has been my major gripe with the EP, as well as all the Line 6 echo modelers in general. One way to get around this is by using two Echo Pro's in a "dual mono" configuration, then have them sync to the same set of MIDI commands. It works passably well, and can even be pretty interesting on ambient pads as the left and right loops will eventually start to drift slightly over some minutes -- adding somewhat to the stereo effect. I posted an article to the list a while back on this, so you can have a look through the archives if you're interested. Wow! I just took a look at prices, however, and it seems as if Echo Pro's are going up in demand. While I was able to pick up a pair pretty cheap during a blowout, it's starting to look like the above workaround is getting a bit spendy now. Used EP's seem to be going for about $425 apiece on Ebay, but you can occasionally catch a "Buy It Now" for ~$250 if you keep your eye out. If you've gotta go full boat, though, I'd really consider instead getting one of the new Repeaters when it finally ships. As I said, the main advantage for the Echo Pro is that you'll be able to expand on territory that is already well familiar to you. The downside is that you'll still inherit a couple of limitations of the DL4. Still, it's an option worth considering... -- m. -- _______ "Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 10 19:41:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2EF4F3BF41; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:41:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=L9Swbj/6ekJqHVTnyYGMdR9h0rUynPHSWxlFF7tiTtx6TLzMjaFknWsRmGGZ8eM+Iry50fdsTe2wZ/XakkW+SxyQcl2te7Kz5okvTBCTIjCp/zkr1AFdcdR3X9vi49rSTnDRqBBOB5RkqsDBtnLIWex2N90jtU2jK85LsEqhX+U= ; Message-ID: <20050810194112.70223.qmail@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:41:12 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: line 6 echo pro(batteries?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1250787651-1123702872=:67344" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:41:14 +0000 (UTC) --0-1250787651-1123702872=:67344 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit na nu na nu.steping up from my dl4 to the echo pro seems logical,but im a dc guy/ i dont trust ac power and i like to be able to set up anywhere so rackmont is out. midi sync isnt import to me now but could use midi controll for expression modulations(i like to sweep the delay time in after i get an infinte repeat brewin n bubblin)and in half speed time, two minutes is more than enough for me.i think im leaning more towards a boomerang(that volume wheel looks cool)is the rang battery powered?my karmah tells me its not. thanks everyone here is very helpfull.(they were nice folks but they made a lot of noise at night) scary. mech wrote:At 1:27 AM -0500 8/10/05, Jesse Kates wrote: > >I have a DL4. It's fine, but I am at a point where I need two things - > >1. Stereo looping >2. Longer loop time > >I am not that concerned re: preserving the half-time and reverse >function, cool as they are. I do need feedback control or a unit >that overdubs with a slow decay like the DL4. If you wish to stay on familiar ground with the Line 6 stuff, you might also consider upgrading to the Line 6 Echo Pro. It has the same feature set as the DL4, but is in an upgraded rack-mount chassis with extra RAM (up to 60 seconds loop time in normal mode) and MIDI control. You're going to run into two Achilles' heels with the Echo Pro, however: First, it won't sync to MIDI Clock. All of its major functions can be controlled by MIDI commands, however. Second, like the Jamman and the DL4, the Echo Pro collapses the loop itself into mono, while everything else (direct sound, echoes) remains in stereo. (argh! and again: argh!) This is and always has been my major gripe with the EP, as well as all the Line 6 echo modelers in general. One way to get around this is by using two Echo Pro's in a "dual mono" configuration, then have them sync to the same set of MIDI commands. It works passably well, and can even be pretty interesting on ambient pads as the left and right loops will eventually start to drift slightly over some minutes -- adding somewhat to the stereo effect. I posted an article to the list a while back on this, so you can have a look through the archives if you're interested. Wow! I just took a look at prices, however, and it seems as if Echo Pro's are going up in demand. While I was able to pick up a pair pretty cheap during a blowout, it's starting to look like the above workaround is getting a bit spendy now. Used EP's seem to be going for about $425 apiece on Ebay, but you can occasionally catch a "Buy It Now" for ~$250 if you keep your eye out. If you've gotta go full boat, though, I'd really consider instead getting one of the new Repeaters when it finally ships. As I said, the main advantage for the Echo Pro is that you'll be able to expand on territory that is already well familiar to you. The downside is that you'll still inherit a couple of limitations of the DL4. Still, it's an option worth considering... -- m. -- _______ "Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1250787651-1123702872=:67344 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
na nu na nu.steping up from my dl4 to the echo pro seems logical,but im a dc guy/ i dont trust ac power and i like to be able to set up anywhere so rackmont is out. midi sync isnt import to me now but could use midi controll for expression modulations(i like to sweep the delay time in after i get an infinte repeat brewin n bubblin)and in half speed time, two minutes is more than enough for me.i think im leaning more towards a boomerang(that volume wheel looks cool)is the rang battery powered?my karmah tells me its not. thanks everyone here is very helpfull.(they were nice folks but they made a lot of noise at night)   
scary.
mech <mech@m3ch.net> wrote:
At 1:27 AM -0500 8/10/05, Jesse Kates wrote:
>
>I have a DL4. It's fine, but I am at a point where I need two things -
>
>1. Stereo looping
>2. Longer loop time
>
>I am not that concerned re: preserving the half-time and reverse
>function, cool as they are. I do need feedback control or a unit
>that overdubs with a slow decay like the DL4.

If you wish to stay on familiar ground with the Line 6 stuff, you
might also consider upgrading to the Line 6 Echo Pro. It has the
same feature set as the DL4, but is in an upgraded rack-mount chassis
with extra RAM (up to 60 seconds loop time in normal mode) and MIDI
control. You're going to run into two Achilles' heels with the Echo
Pro, however:

First, it won't sync to MIDI Clock. All of its major functions can
be controlled by MIDI commands, however.

Second, like the Jamman and the DL4, the Echo Pro collapses the loop
itself into mono, while everything else (direct sound, echoes)
remains in stereo. (argh! and again: argh!) This is and always has
been my major gripe with the EP, as well as all the Line 6 echo
modelers in general.

One way to get around this is by using two Echo Pro's in a "dual
mono" configuration, then have them sync to the same set of MIDI
commands. It works passably well, and can even be pretty interesting
on ambient pads as the left and right loops will eventually start to
drift slightly over some minutes -- adding somewhat to the stereo
effect. I posted an article to the list a while back on this, so you
can have a look through the archives if you're interested.

Wow! I just took a look at prices, however, and it seems as if Echo
Pro's are going up in demand. While I was able to pick up a pair
pretty cheap during a blowout, it's starting to look like the above
workaround is getting a bit spendy now. Used EP's seem to be going
for about $425 apiece on Ebay, but you can occasionally catch a "Buy
It Now" for ~$250 if you keep your eye out. If you've gotta go full
boat, though, I'd really consider instead getting one of the new
Repeaters when it finally ships.

As I said, the main advantage for the Echo Pro is that you'll be able
to expand on territory that is already well familiar to you. The
downside is that you'll still inherit a couple of limitations of the
DL4. Still, it's an option worth considering...

-- m.
--
_______
"Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings"

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The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 10 20:01:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65AE93BF49; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 20:01:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TEEJVpVmej6VciTrY8NspBP+opQdYACTRayMPA6MGxpAeCI+wqSqiD8wkdBE3nQWDY6/qiHDImKAjLTY0HVyhFnjok5sJwZiTYBgBfA+D/C6iUnL+LwHNMZapJa+U/WoJ/by2zfhfFAXTdqXq0ZYoqtJ9mU0+I0yhmv1xtkiqqg= ; Message-ID: <20050810200133.56753.qmail@web30515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:01:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: FW: Loopfestival contribution on Swiss national radio To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <022a01c59da4$6bf0aea0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 20:01:38 +0000 (UTC) --- Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > ... 10 to 15 minute[s of] ...the International >Loopfestival Zürich on the Swiss > national radio station DRS2 in the emission "Jazz > aktuell" on Tuesday, > August 23rd between 21:00 and 22:00 hours... I'd love to hear this. They don't happen to webcast, do they? If not, perhaps someone within their broadcast area could record this and post it for streaming? -t- ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 10 20:58:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF55A3BF4C; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 20:58:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=WaHegWdI5jjHZ2MJRkqnTau4cKpZD2/ArnMETVTMadg/VycSJnwFUPs6ScUg8ueCNC1/FnkEo7pvB0zEluiXvaCgHnk+eoxhyIqvpUV3ch5fxXzzomk/7MRIk57BJAjxJMqdFhBZmfoo2XyyKELB2CyWN/LpR4/86P8ISy6bsP8= ; Message-ID: <20050810205831.45191.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:58:31 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: line 6 echo pro(batteries?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050810194112.70223.qmail@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 20:58:31 +0000 (UTC) Don't trust AC power? Are you haunted by the ghost of Tesla? That said, the Repeater is a wedge that can run tabletop or rack and has an external power supply. Also, DD-20. Mark --- daniel stevenson wrote: > na nu na nu.steping up from my dl4 to the echo pro > seems logical,but im a dc guy/ i dont trust ac power > and i like to be able to set up anywhere so rackmont > is out. midi sync isnt import to me now but could > use midi controll for expression modulations(i like > to sweep the delay time in after i get an infinte > repeat brewin n bubblin)and in half speed time, two > minutes is more than enough for me.i think im > leaning more towards a boomerang(that volume wheel > looks cool)is the rang battery powered?my karmah > tells me its not. thanks everyone here is very > helpfull.(they were nice folks but they made a lot > of noise at night) > scary. > mech wrote:At 1:27 AM -0500 8/10/05, > Jesse Kates wrote: > > > >I have a DL4. It's fine, but I am at a point where > I need two things - > > > >1. Stereo looping > >2. Longer loop time > > > >I am not that concerned re: preserving the > half-time and reverse > >function, cool as they are. I do need feedback > control or a unit > >that overdubs with a slow decay like the DL4. > > If you wish to stay on familiar ground with the Line > 6 stuff, you > might also consider upgrading to the Line 6 Echo > Pro. It has the > same feature set as the DL4, but is in an upgraded > rack-mount chassis > with extra RAM (up to 60 seconds loop time in normal > mode) and MIDI > control. You're going to run into two Achilles' > heels with the Echo > Pro, however: > > First, it won't sync to MIDI Clock. All of its major > functions can > be controlled by MIDI commands, however. > > Second, like the Jamman and the DL4, the Echo Pro > collapses the loop > itself into mono, while everything else (direct > sound, echoes) > remains in stereo. (argh! and again: argh!) This is > and always has > been my major gripe with the EP, as well as all the > Line 6 echo > modelers in general. > > One way to get around this is by using two Echo > Pro's in a "dual > mono" configuration, then have them sync to the same > set of MIDI > commands. It works passably well, and can even be > pretty interesting > on ambient pads as the left and right loops will > eventually start to > drift slightly over some minutes -- adding somewhat > to the stereo > effect. I posted an article to the list a while back > on this, so you > can have a look through the archives if you're > interested. > > Wow! I just took a look at prices, however, and it > seems as if Echo > Pro's are going up in demand. While I was able to > pick up a pair > pretty cheap during a blowout, it's starting to look > like the above > workaround is getting a bit spendy now. Used EP's > seem to be going > for about $425 apiece on Ebay, but you can > occasionally catch a "Buy > It Now" for ~$250 if you keep your eye out. If > you've gotta go full > boat, though, I'd really consider instead getting > one of the new > Repeaters when it finally ships. > > As I said, the main advantage for the Echo Pro is > that you'll be able > to expand on territory that is already well familiar > to you. The > downside is that you'll still inherit a couple of > limitations of the > DL4. Still, it's an option worth considering... > > -- m. > -- > _______ > "Now Simulcast on Crazy People's Fillings" > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 10 22:52:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89FE73BF3B; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:52:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.31) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 10 Aug 2005 22:52:03 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:52:03 -0500 Subject: Thanks for the clippings X-Originating-Ip: 69.109.188.35 X-Originating-Server: ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050810225203.A7A7BE5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:52:05 +0000 (UTC) Dan- Hey there! Just got the clippings in the mail. Thanks for being so though= tful. Lucio is out of town for a few months, but I'll make sure=20 he gets his copies when he returns. Hope all is well. Loop on. Joe --=20 _______________________________________________ NEW! Lycos Dating Search. The only place to search multiple dating sites at= once. http://datingsearch.lycos.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 10 23:51:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 259993BF38; Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:51:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LSca9WBidGhsppybI3EFoQ+2H6UrKkVVw9sIy+FdTtLG9KEF6+HDuVAsXXrqwUHSz6fpnobEb+YS8T95cws4TgyDYST16T6MYV6YQuglgvzR3j3RQKtP21BjJznJRV408HRVmA8wNYR5gwAov5hLDkHyawfYpx8Wx1idp72qh1o= Message-ID: <64b81a78050810165178f21ebe@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 19:51:55 -0400 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: line 6 echo pro(batteries?) In-Reply-To: <20050810194112.70223.qmail@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050810194112.70223.qmail@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 23:51:56 +0000 (UTC) Boomerang is powered by a wall wart. Just curious, what are you using for amplification? Pignose? Todd On 8/10/05, daniel stevenson wrote: > ...i dont trust ac power and i like to be able to set up anywhere so > rackmont is out... > i think im leaning more towards a boomerang(that volume > wheel looks cool)is the rang battery powered?my karmah tells me its not. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 11 03:45:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5764C3BF37; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 03:45:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000501c59e27$2bf6b9b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Adios Dr. Z Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 20:45:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 03:45:50 +0000 (UTC) I posted a song as a tribute to Richard Zvonar tonight. I hope someday I get a chance to play it for him. www.looppool.info/Adios_Dr_Z/ It's a 17 meg download so don't attempt it with dial up. peace. r. 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----ZkYn7CAEIGi8EZlsMj-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 11 07:22:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B546B3BF19; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:22:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b301c59e45$7a186bc0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Adios_Dr_Z Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 00:22:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:22:45 +0000 (UTC) oooooops!!!!! I started my FTP upload of "Adios Dr. Z" and left for dinner. Hours later I discovered that it disconnected for some inexplicable reason (Richard would have written me with URLS for several articles on the web explaining what those inexplicable reasons could be...............I'll really miss that I have to say :-( Anyway, it's up now at www.looppool.info/Adios_Dr_Z/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 11 07:40:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA44C3BF2C; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:40:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=u1xJReytXv7qzWWdXRvPg6Bzrt5BeuQ9CHRy24/JxNXF+zAsmPR2hRis5H7uKjQd6wIg3VhKaZLyJ7Tux1Yp90XlKQYcJFLCPAKAM9QzyQwPyNjEUAjZwuzd25plAmQ6OXcnmnGBOSWCOnlDJSJHDH1+PdEnVlBAIIhnb8lls84= ; Message-ID: <20050811074019.86994.qmail@web32509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 00:40:19 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: line 6 echo pro(batteries?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <64b81a78050810165178f21ebe@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-666770619-1123746019=:84883" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:40:20 +0000 (UTC) --0-666770619-1123746019=:84883 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Good lookin out Todd. Wall wart ya say?Sheesh, i knew it... No piggnose for me, I got one a them roland "micro" cubes.Little fucker sounds pretty sweet!Best 100 bucks i ever spent,(not counting the sheet of king tut back in 83)decent amp modleing, I use the blackface amp but the acoustic amp is cool, but not as loud...The rectifier and overdrivin mod's seem to have a touch sensitive feel with not badd feedback even tho im playing a 12 string acoustic thru it, I never play dirty anymore but i had to mess around with it..You get a choice of sides +chorus/flange/phase/tremello.+ a master delay/reverb.I like the reverb.Good battries (6 aa's)love you long time,bout 20 hours full volume/dollor store batteries work just fine too(half the price yet last more than half as long) the fuji ones... My only gripe is when you plug in the line out/headphone jack the speaker disengages so ya cant daisy~chain em ..easy fix but a swich would have been nice;) id like to have about 20 of em hooked up like an az all around me in a cropcircle of canabis(pink floydian style) hope i didnt stray too far off subject....scary visionary. Todd Pafford wrote:Boomerang is powered by a wall wart. Just curious, what are you using for amplification? Pignose? Todd On 8/10/05, daniel stevenson wrote: > ...i dont trust ac power and i like to be able to set up anywhere so > rackmont is out... > i think im leaning more towards a boomerang(that volume > wheel looks cool)is the rang battery powered?my karmah tells me its not. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-666770619-1123746019=:84883 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Good lookin out Todd. Wall wart ya say?Sheesh, i knew it... No piggnose for me, I got one a them roland "micro" cubes.Little fucker sounds pretty sweet!Best 100 bucks i ever spent,(not counting the sheet of king tut back in 83)decent amp modleing, I use the blackface amp but the acoustic amp is cool, but not as loud...The rectifier and overdrivin  mod's seem to have a touch sensitive feel with not badd feedback even tho im playing a 12 string acoustic thru it, I never play dirty anymore but i had to mess around with it..You get a choice of sides +chorus/flange/phase/tremello.+ a master delay/reverb.I like the reverb.Good battries (6 aa's)love you long time,bout 20 hours full volume/dollor store batteries work just fine too(half the price yet last more than half as long) the fuji ones...
My only gripe is when you plug in the line out/headphone jack the speaker disengages so ya cant daisy~chain em ..easy fix but a swich would have been nice;)      id like to have about 20 of em hooked up like an az all around me in a cropcircle of canabis(pink floydian style)     hope i didnt stray too far off subject....scary visionary.
Todd Pafford <calenlas@gmail.com> wrote:
Boomerang is powered by a wall wart. Just curious, what are you using
for amplification? Pignose?

Todd

On 8/10/05, daniel stevenson wrote:
> ...i dont trust ac power and i like to be able to set up anywhere so
> rackmont is out...
> i think im leaning more towards a boomerang(that volume
> wheel looks cool)is the rang battery powered?my karmah tells me its not.

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-666770619-1123746019=:84883-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 11 08:40:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D01533BF19; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:40:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001901c59e50$5bba3770$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Adios Dr. Z Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 01:40:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:40:40 +0000 (UTC) At a couple people's behest, I made a much smaller mp3 of the piece 'Adios Dr. Z' and uploaded it to www.looppool.info/Adios_Dr_Z/ You now have the option of downloading the 17 meg .wav file or the 1.4 meg mp3. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 11 16:02:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 354793BF2A; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_flawless.real.com-3439-1123776138-0001-2" Message-Id: <42FB768F.000158.01032@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 09:02:23 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <000501c59e27$2bf6b9b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Adios Dr. Z X-FID: ED0CFE32-10CD-430509702-0C6A43069D41 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:02:23 +0000 (UTC) This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_flawless.real.com-3439-1123776138-0001-2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_flawless.real.com-3439-1123776138-0001-3" This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_flawless.real.com-3439-1123776138-0001-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good job!=0D ....thank you for the post. =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Date: 08/10/05 20:45:46=0D To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)=0D Subject: Adios Dr. Z=0D =0D I posted a song as a tribute to Richard Zvonar tonight.=0D =0D I hope someday I get a chance to play it for him.=0D =0D =0D www.looppool.info/Adios_Dr_Z/=0D =0D =0D It's a 17 meg download so don't attempt it with dial up.=0D =0D =0D peace.=0D =0D =0D r.=0D =20 --=_flawless.real.com-3439-1123776138-0001-3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 08/10/05 20:= 45:46
To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)
Subject: Adios Dr.= Z
 
I posted a song as a tribute to Richard Zvonar tonight.
 
I hope someday I get a chance to play it for him.
 
 
 
 
It's a 17 meg download so don't attempt it with dial up.
 
 
peace.
 
 
r.
 
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by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B51A43BF2A; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:09:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=uf9b40ZwfxUlT5/u6ywEifEYyXOCZ3J4iQI9UpyTfgq7w6dFTcNCNxpzaOK9aPY+Ptw+YhPoZ2Ow1yTnnKSxtCkd2jwtIdyeyTJepz64OTeeadsD507eedBO+Lq+4kj12nqVeONNrnIR2mrR0tUOALSFmyhVUMLvbTE9dPR4wfE= ; Message-ID: <20050811160921.41072.qmail@web25205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:09:21 +0200 (CEST) From: obadia Subject: [OT] preamp for MD and fieldrecordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <64b81a78050810165178f21ebe@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:09:22 +0000 (UTC) hello, this is completely off topic but... do you have any good tips about portable preamps? i have 2 excellent AKG mics, xlr static mic, they need a preamp and i'd like to use a mini-disc to record outside. i know mini-disc are not the best because of the compression but i can't afford a DAT or these nice m-audio recorders. any tip? thank you stéphane ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! 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X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: <64b81a78050810165178f21ebe@mail.gmail.com> References: <20050810194112.70223.qmail@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <64b81a78050810165178f21ebe@mail.gmail.com> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:57:29 +0000 (UTC) Todd, > Boomerang is powered by a wall wart Yes, and an AC wall wart at that! -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 11 17:23:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9423F3BF2C; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:23:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <42FB89AB.000167.01032@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:23:55 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Content-Type: Multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_VZI2031NTSM1VA400000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <20050811160921.41072.qmail@web25205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [OT] preamp for MD and fieldrecordings X-FID: ED0CFE32-10CD-430509702-0C6A43069D41 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:23:53 +0000 (UTC) --------------Boundary-00=_VZI2031NTSM1VA400000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_VZI2VD5NTSM1VA400000" --------------Boundary-00=_VZI2VD5NTSM1VA400000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable the cheap and small method would be to get a 4 channel mixer that runs of= f batteries. 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Date: 08/11/05 09:= 09:22
Subject: [OT] prea= mp for MD and fieldrecordings
 
hello,
this is completely off topic but... do you have any
good tips about portable preamps?
i have 2 excellent AKG mics, xlr static mic, they need
a preamp and i'd like to use a mini-disc to record
outside. i know mini-disc are not the best because of
the compression but i can't afford a DAT or these nice
m-audio recorders.
any tip?
 
thank you
 
st=E9phane
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E4633BF13; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:45:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Andrew Chaikin" To: "'David Trenkel'" , Subject: RE: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:44:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcWc+poIJD4oMz7CRPiaQzborr/94ABpYiXg In-Reply-To: <99C34E1A-0899-11DA-9A7D-000A95A5D158@peak.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20050811184456.BC97F60C171@eq1.spamarrest.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 18:45:09 +0000 (UTC) > I'm looking into a foot controller for > hands-free operation my laptop / > Ableton Live setup. I believe I'm a bit late in this discussion, because you've already received your Behringer, but... I love my Ground Control Pro. I've done about 175 shows with it since November 2003 -- including 9 shows in the harsh Nevada desert conditions of Burning Man (65-mph duststorms!) -- and it has never failed me. When I first started looping with Ableton Live, I bought the Behringer FCB 1010, but: a) It was too long in my rolling carry-on bag -- a big drawback for touring. b) On the unit I bought (new) from Guitar Center, one of the two expression pedals didn't work at all. This I took to be a bad omen. These, combined with some posts on LD saying that the Behringer was slightly cheaply made and somewhat beastly to program, led me to the GCP. The digital display comes in very handy as well. That having been said: I don't program the GCP very heavily. I keep things on their standard settings for the most part, and let Bome Midi Translator translate the events into keystrokes. So other folks' posts about fewer momentary switches and so on, I couldn't speak to. (Although, after reading that post, I realize that using some momentary switches would be very useful to me...) > stompbox-style switches ... which, wile very > sturdy, take more effort to trigger in time. > Since one of the uses of the pedal will be to > trigger clips in live, I need to have pretty > exact timing. True. My stuff is mostly all quantized, so as long as I hit a given trigger before the right beat, I'm okay. But even in non-quantized situations, I've found the triggers to be very responsive. As to the loudness of the triggers, they are certainly a bit louder than the FCB -- it's sort of a little metallic squeak -- but it's never been a problem for me onstage, and all I use to make my loops is a mic and my mouth. The only non-sturdy part of the GCP is the power cable. It's pretty thin. I called the company and bought an extra one, knowing that it would crap out some day. Two weeks ago, it did -- at a gig. Worked fine in soundcheck, was DOA when I got up onstage. One tug too many, I guess. Boy, was I glad I had the backup cable in my bag. Moral: always carry a spare for every cable in your rig -- power cables, MIDI cables, mic and output cables, etc. You can watch me using the GCP here: http://www.ableton.com/index.php?main=artists&sub=kid-beyond More videos coming to my own site soon. Andrew Chaikin, aka Kid Beyond andrew@biggerbread.com email@kidbeyond.com http://biggerbread.com | http://kidbeyond.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 11 19:05:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 231663BF17; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:05:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=H0RFe0UyBr2/jFTq3q9xjzSwhwc1muMkv+etWcnHR0loDiKS/H6PJIkj6fSCAs2Q3BZUCZIMal8ToXf2RA6Iz91ON3ggIy3b+sN4Fbxp92/2lapPDaCwvsGHTOjEzty7NOuQ8ursdEhLuiXXMtM8HokS6KcPtWU1fBTegmdnT/4= Message-ID: <588ce11d050811120519ba62b5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:05:35 -0700 From: Art Simon To: Sony Felberg Subject: Re: [OT] preamp for MD and fieldrecordings Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <42FB89AB.000167.01032@A7V266E-XP-USER> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050811160921.41072.qmail@web25205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <42FB89AB.000167.01032@A7V266E-XP-USER> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:05:37 +0000 (UTC) This may not be the response your looking for, but there are several Flash recorders that are cheaper than DAT with phantom power. The Microtrack from M-Audio is as cheap as $369, and I'm seriously considering upgrading from my minidisc. (though I've been very happy with the minidisc) If you are spending money on preamps anyway. . . http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MicroTrack2496-main.html On 8/11/05, Sony Felberg wrote: > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > the cheap and small method would be to get a 4 channel mixer that runs of= f > batteries. I have a samson mix pad and behringer (sp?). Both work well.= =20 > =20 > Not the highest quality pre amp, bit not bad. =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 >=20 > =20 > -------Original Message-------=20 > =20 > =20 > From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 > Date: 08/11/05 09:09:22=20 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 > Subject: [OT] preamp for MD and fieldrecordings=20 > =20 > hello,=20 > this is completely off topic but... do you have any=20 > good tips about portable preamps?=20 > i have 2 excellent AKG mics, xlr static mic, they need=20 > a preamp and i'd like to use a mini-disc to record=20 > outside. i know mini-disc are not the best because of=20 > the compression but i can't afford a DAT or these nice=20 > m-audio recorders.=20 > any tip?=20 > =20 > thank you=20 > =20 > st=E9phane=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > _________________________________________________________________________= __ > Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenge= r=20 > T=E9l=E9chargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 --=20 Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 11 19:10:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B29D3BF13; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:10:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Bd6InMi3mjohPHJPZKLJuH6VS3pCXLRzjFnemY30TqO524k3/ORrRNeuDLat+61IPuBK/WJcdlnOJHMPpP+K7XvLMXKH4rHS4rdlKH5Atwurj2pV8a1KhVNkCrvCJBVucJKWb3TkhPEfuJq3HxeoJ9EP4qVe27g6ZFe+z9NoDVA= ; Message-ID: <20050811191005.9560.qmail@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:10:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Cole Subject: Re: software that emulates Echoplex DP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:10:09 +0000 (UTC) --- Per Boysen wrote: > Only two applications do actually answer your > question on "emulating > the Echoplex" and those are Mobius (WinXP) and > SooperLooper (Linux, > OS X). *** I'm likely to set up in PC env. > No such live > looping software seems to be available today (please > correct me if > I'm wrong). That would seem to answer my original question if it is so. Did you happen to see the video that Simeon referred to about looping with the voice (live)? I'm very happy with my EDP and with using it live, but was wondering about the software to streamline my gear for long-distance gigs where portability transporting equipment safely by air become the issue. I can always strip the EDP out of my rack and take it onboard with me. But the other issue that's propelling my interest in software configurations for live looping is that my 'plex seems to be unstable at times and that's worrisome as I rely on it so much for performance and recording...I won't go into the detail of its instability here - that's for another thread! ;-) > Greetings from Sweden Thanks Per! ~jim http://www.spectralvoices.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 11 19:10:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44D0D3BF37; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:10:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XCjBKJusdIvYt690TMG3PXAQaJaq85HebFsa9z2i2g7dHKCSoBvxkuhJFKrS8YLuINcyHv/EeXa2+f5JgB+pHeX6hJ7UGPj4eZ1yCInV1QAzSWwT4QsqXoZoziIZ+u3Y4pOTrrKI5GzPdNWxGjcU1ChpA0pzV6qIoxLUNchIfQ4= ; Message-ID: <20050811191053.9703.qmail@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:10:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Cole Subject: Re: software that emulates Echoplex DP To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <588ce11d050809125542309c40@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:10:55 +0000 (UTC) --- Art Simon wrote: > Really nice summary Jeff, *** I wholeheartedly agree Art & Jeff - thank you very much Jeff for that summary. > I'd just add a couple of things. One the PC I agree > that Elottronix > and Angstrolooper are the best "first stops". I find > Elottronix better > for the free-form, amorphous, floating in space kind > of looping (if > that makes any sense). Seems to make a lot of sense to me ;-) and sounds like this may be useful for what I do. BTW, here's a video clip of me looping vocals live: http://www.spectralvoices.com/reaching_for_the_light.wmv ~jim http://www.spectralvoices.com > > Augustus Loop - Mac/AU plugin > > > > More of a "tape loop" emulator than an EDP-style > looper, but it has > > some very nice features. Several people use it > live, it appears to be > > quite stable. This will probably be the #1 > recommended looper on the Mac. > > > > Musolomo - Mac/AU plugin > > > > I would call this more of a "phrase sampler" than > a looper. Once a > > loop is captured you can do several interesting > things with it, > > but there is no overdub or feedback that I could > see. > > > > Lexicon PSP 42 - Mac & PC / plugin > > > > I would call this a delay-oriented effects unit > that has some looping > > features. I don't have any experience with it but > it looks like a > > phrase sampler, not sure if it supports overdub > and feedback but I would > > be surprised if it didn't. For $150 it had better > be stable. > > > > SooperLooper - Mac & Linux/Standalone but supports > Jack > > > > This has a large set of features, though I've > heard there may be some > > issues with the alignment of successive overdubs. > It is not > > a VST or Audio Units plugin but it supports Jack > which is similar > > to ReWire on the PC. Jack can be hard to > configure, so I would consider > > this a standalone looper unless you're into > tinkering. > > > > > > Elottronix - PC/VST plugin > > > > This has been around a long time and appears > fairly stable. It > > is designed to emulate a tape looper so it doesn't > have the most > > features, but what it does it does well. And it's > real pretty. > > On the PC, I would start with this one and see if > it does what > > you want. > > > > AngstroLooper - PC / VST plugin > > > > This doesn't seem to be mentioned much, but it > looks like a nice > > simple looper with good basic feature set. The > "touch" function > > looks unique and interesting. This would be my > second stop > > on the PC. > > > > Loopy Llama - PC & Mac/VST plugin > > > > This one is relatively new, but I think the author > uses it live. Its > > features are similar to a DL-4 or JamMan, and I > found it easy to use. > > This would be my third stop on the PC. > > > > Mobius - PC / Standalone or VST plugin > > > > Mobius has the broadest coverage of EDP features, > but as a result it > > has a fairly steep learning curve if you're not > already familiar with > > the EDP. It is relatively young and has been > known to crash, though > > basic overdubs with feedback should be ok. Check > this out if you > > decide Elottronix, AngstroLooper, and Loopy Llama > aren't powerful enough. > > > > AmbiLoop - PC / Standalone > > > > This has been around awhile, is stable and has > some nice features, but > > the main issue for most people is that it cannot > be run as a VST > > plugin. I have had issues with crossfades at the > loop point that > > cause clicks, so you have to be careful. The > builtin effects are > > convenient. The ability to run several loops in > parallel is powerful, > > though may be difficult to control live. > > > > Coldcutter - PC / VST plugin > > > > This doesn't look like a looper to me. It takes a > loop (not sure > > if it can record) chops it up and plays back the > segments in random > > order according to a set of parameters. No > overdub or feedback > > that I can see. Interesting but not what I would > call a looper. > > > > Loopitch - PC / plugin > > > > I haven't tried this and there isn't much > information on the web. The > > download page has some disturbing comments like > "This is an early demo > > intended to generate feedback" and "if I can ever > get the VST version > > happy with a few hosts!" so it does not appear to > be under active > > development and may have stability problems. > > > > Divine Machine - PC / Standalone & VST plugin > > > > This looks more like a static loop manipulation > and triggering tool. > > No overdub and feedback, I'm not even sure it can > record. It is very > > powerful but not what I would call a real-time > looper. > > > > > > Freewheeling - Linux/Standalone > > > > This looks interesting but it only runs on Linux. > Unless you are also > > a computer geek (and I mean that in the nicest > way) I don't > > recommend Linux for musicians. You will have far > more options on > > the PC or Mac. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 11 19:12:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C7C13BF32; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:12:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=HJ7ztaqb6Qod2qL2o1sW5vQO0OaAM1sZ6ciRUGyDHXttOXxImrBIy9WeW5NehVrBQ3nCwU8hhLf00Oi9IKKnqadiY9PNpIjN9BzVvH1qb1rDrh3Hge7cy9jkJCgXWjtGXd9qnFY6Nb6KlKdifaWlaWB4+TL44aoPuXWGdEXuQL0= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:12:06 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [OT] preamp for MD and fieldrecordings In-Reply-To: <588ce11d050811120519ba62b5@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050811160921.41072.qmail@web25205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <42FB89AB.000167.01032@A7V266E-XP-USER> <588ce11d050811120519ba62b5@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:12:08 +0000 (UTC) It looks like a neat box, but I don't think that cost includes the Flash RAM, and I'd imagine you'd want two 1GB cards which'd run you another few hundred bucks. On 8/11/05, Art Simon wrote: > This may not be the response your looking for, but there are several > Flash recorders that are cheaper than DAT with phantom power. The > Microtrack from M-Audio is as cheap as $369, and I'm seriously > considering upgrading from my minidisc. (though I've been very happy > with the minidisc) If you are spending money on preamps anyway. . . >=20 > http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MicroTrack2496-main.html >=20 > On 8/11/05, Sony Felberg wrote: > > > > > > > > > > the cheap and small method would be to get a 4 channel mixer that runs = off > > batteries. I have a samson mix pad and behringer (sp?). Both work well. > > > > Not the highest quality pre amp, bit not bad. > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 11 19:14:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 528B13BF34; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:14:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5E90zhY15jWr9qo3nqkVUcTfU3/9h/+kY2DvWrHItkAN6jXQ+dTw50HB7ktaXmsBrN0rPbbpznWaT79rzxh6HW7AAYkhk/Bs3mpCBELqNTvqaCj0dEMdgihzy0/6V29YT02RqsHJlSp7fCBVWzL1RNqEgU0MMSDLIHdrOtRsXto= ; Message-ID: <20050811191405.42412.qmail@web30004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:14:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Cole Subject: Re: looping the voice To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <48928.132.185.144.120.1123664222.squirrel@www.simeonharris.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:14:07 +0000 (UTC) Wow, Kid Beyond is an amazing beatbox/vocalist - thanks for the link to the video Simeon - it also looks promising for what I do (which is a very different use of voice) - and certainly what I need to do to acheive my sound/music is Much simpler than what he seems to be doing - so that's encouraging too! ...Now I just need to try to understand what I need for a virtual looping set up etc.! (I'm not very tech saavy). ~jim http://www.spectralvoices.com > http://www.ableton.com/index.php?main=artists&sub=kid-beyond > (movies at > the bottom of the page) > > this process differs from the "traditional" way of > looping, (which builds > lots of layers in a single loop) by creating lots of > separate loops > running in parallel which are all synced together. > the advantage of the > ableton way is that you can drop each "layer" in and > out, treat each one > individually with effects, reverse and even stretch > them. the disadvantage > is that you don't get the continuously morphing > effect of old layers > fading away to be replaced with new layers, but you > could simulate this > effect in ableton by using a control surface like a > kenton control freak > to manually adjust the volume of each layer and fade > out the ones you > don't want. using ableton, you can also get over the > latency issue by > monitoring your live input directly if you sudio > interface will allow it. > > hope that helps a bit! > > cheers! > > sim > > > > > Simeon Harris > Textural Guitarist > www.simeonharris.co.uk > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 11 19:18:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0806B3BF2B; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:18:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050811151816.4nliaaos0bcwc0g4@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:18:16 -0400 From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [OT] preamp for MD and fieldrecordings References: <20050811160921.41072.qmail@web25205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050811160921.41072.qmail@web25205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server16.totalchoicehosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32001 502] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:18:18 +0000 (UTC) The other possibility is to go to Microphonemadness.com and pick up a mic a= nd preamp box for a MD. The sound quality is EXCELLENT from these little suckers. ~peace~ Michael www.michaelplishka.com Quoting obadia : > hello, > this is completely off topic but... do you have any > good tips about portable preamps? > i have 2 excellent AKG mics, xlr static mic, they need > a preamp and i'd like to use a mini-disc to record > outside. i know mini-disc are not the best because of > the compression but i can't afford a DAT or these nice > m-audio recorders. > any tip? > > thank you > > st=E9phane > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________= __ > Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenge= r > T=E9l=E9chargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 11 19:24:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFBEA3BF37; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:24:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <20050811191005.9560.qmail@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050811191005.9560.qmail@web30008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <1ADD7A0B-4FD6-4078-968B-966CE3B03925@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: software that emulates Echoplex DP Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:24:47 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:24:51 +0000 (UTC) On Aug 11, 2005, at 21:10, Jim Cole wrote: > Did you happen to see the video that Simeon > referred to about looping with the voice (live)? I tried, but this machine doesn't play back .wmv files ;-( Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 11 19:59:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C51EA3BF27; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:59:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:59:14 -0700 Subject: Re: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Cc: To: From: David Trenkel In-Reply-To: <20050811184456.BC97F60C171@eq1.spamarrest.com> Message-Id: <6409D6DA-0AA2-11DA-8782-000A95A5D158@peak.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:59:23 +0000 (UTC) Hi Andrew, Thanks for writing, it was your video on the Ableton site that made me start thinking about the Ground Control. I had for some reason been of the opinion that they were no longer made. On Thursday, August 11, 2005, at 11:44 AM, Andrew Chaikin wrote: >> I'm looking into a foot controller for >> hands-free operation my laptop / >> Ableton Live setup. > > I believe I'm a bit late in this discussion, > because you've already received your > Behringer, but... Well, actually, I'm staying around the house waiting for the big brown truck with my FCB to show up today. Then I have a flurry of programming and practicing to do. > > I love my Ground Control Pro. I've done > about 175 shows with it since November > 2003 -- including 9 shows in the harsh > Nevada desert conditions of Burning Man > (65-mph duststorms!) -- and it has never > failed me. That's a great endorsement fro the GCPro! > > When I first started looping with Ableton > Live, I bought the Behringer FCB 1010, but: > > a) It was too long in my rolling carry-on bag -- > a big drawback for touring. We have slightly different touring methods, my band travels in a bus most of the time where one more case won't matter too much. > > b) On the unit I bought (new) from Guitar > Center, one of the two expression pedals > didn't work at all. This I took to be a bad > omen. This does concern me. So far, the number of people who have emailed me whose FCB's haven't failed outnumber those who have, but I have yet to hear from ANYONE whose GCPro has failed... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 11 19:59:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A28A3BF32; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:59:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:59:33 +0200 From: "Torstein H. Rem" Subject: Re: [OT] preamp for MD and fieldrecordings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001601c59eaf$31577dd0$0200000a@remwavesnet> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050811160921.41072.qmail@web25205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20050811151816.4nliaaos0bcwc0g4@www.michaelplishka.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:59:33 +0000 (UTC) Portable mic pres from Denecke, Sound Devices, Core Sound, Sonosax, Rolls http://www.denecke.com/prod04.htm http://www.micsupply.com/preamps.htm http://www.sounddevices.com/ http://www.sonosax.com/ (used by Royer labs (ribbon mikes)) http://www.core-sound.com/ati_ml200.html http://www.rolls.com/new/pb224.html A list of devices from Locationsound http://www.locationsound.com/pdf/soundcatalog/21portablemixerspreamps.pdf Sites to check out http://www.core-sound.com/ http://www.solorb.com/dat-heads/ http://www.minidisc.org/ T. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [OT] preamp for MD and fieldrecordings The other possibility is to go to Microphonemadness.com and pick up a mic and preamp box for a MD. The sound quality is EXCELLENT from these little suckers. ~peace~ Michael www.michaelplishka.com Quoting obadia : > hello, > this is completely off topic but... do you have any > good tips about portable preamps? > i have 2 excellent AKG mics, xlr static mic, they need > a preamp and i'd like to use a mini-disc to record > outside. i know mini-disc are not the best because of > the compression but i can't afford a DAT or these nice > m-audio recorders. > any tip? > > thank you > > stéphane > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger > Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 11 20:41:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D15A3BF2C; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:41:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <6409D6DA-0AA2-11DA-8782-000A95A5D158@peak.org> References: <6409D6DA-0AA2-11DA-8782-000A95A5D158@peak.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <269B5338-1563-41C9-95AB-8201F19C67B3@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:41:42 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:41:49 +0000 (UTC) > On Thursday, August 11, 2005, at 11:44 AM, Andrew Chaikin wrote: >> >> When I first started looping with Ableton >> Live, I bought the Behringer FCB 1010, but: >> >> a) It was too long in my rolling carry-on bag -- >> a big drawback for touring. This is my concern as well with the FCB. I have done a couple of web search but did not find any PDF manual online for the Ground Control, so I really don't know if I could make good use of one. Have anyone tried to bring an FCB on an air craft? If you keep it in a gig bag you may be allowed to put it on the floor under your seat? Andrew has really chosen the most touring friendly instrument ;-) > On Aug 11, 2005, at 21:59, David Trenkel wrote: > We have slightly different touring methods, my band travels in a > bus most of the time where one more case won't matter too much. That's nice. I've been there too, but it's not my recent situation. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 11 20:45:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F4EC3BF0A; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:45:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GxrAPWYxqDsLNu99mgC2e1Z2M1PMlUC6TBHADsNBemAHvJsE+6MD9fUtHSm4MXE07V2eSVUdPllHHKrOKRFe5DFmsmSpAwrzfGtwsM5BO1f6jHvLR50zut0NERxrPCkhhkjx6/jPSEVn3dF0Y6KBahkIpUDQ5Tu5qUQqHN7D3lU= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:45:43 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? In-Reply-To: <269B5338-1563-41C9-95AB-8201F19C67B3@boysen.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <6409D6DA-0AA2-11DA-8782-000A95A5D158@peak.org> <269B5338-1563-41C9-95AB-8201F19C67B3@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 20:45:46 +0000 (UTC) Ground Control manual pdf is at: http://www.voodoolab.com/gcontrolpro.htm Check the link at the bottom of the page. TH On 8/11/05, Per Boysen wrote: > This is my concern as well with the FCB. I have done a couple of web > search but did not find any PDF manual online for the Ground Control, > so I really don't know if I could make good use of one. Have anyone > tried to bring an FCB on an air craft? If you keep it in a gig bag > you may be allowed to put it on the floor under your seat? Andrew has > really chosen the most touring friendly instrument ;-) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 11 21:41:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A4AE3BF0A; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:41:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:41:19 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? In-reply-to: <269B5338-1563-41C9-95AB-8201F19C67B3@boysen.se> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42FBC5FF.40209@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <6409D6DA-0AA2-11DA-8782-000A95A5D158@peak.org> <269B5338-1563-41C9-95AB-8201F19C67B3@boysen.se> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:41:27 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > This is my concern as well with the FCB. I have done a couple of web > search but did not find any PDF manual online for the Ground Control, > so I really don't know if I could make good use of one. For EDP users the bottom line is you get is 8 function switches that always stay the same, and 4 program switches for selecting presets. The bank switches on the right side only let you scroll through different program assignments for the bottom 4 switches, they do not change the CC assignments for the 8 function switches. If you don't want to change presets, then you can make the bottom row be function switches for a total of 12, but they never change. If you're going through a computer, then it isn't so bad because you can apply software mapping to the function switches. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 11 21:51:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 623093BF0D; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:51:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:51:24 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20050811184456.BC97F60C171@eq1.spamarrest.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <5QTqaC.A.yZD.dh8-CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:51:26 +0000 (UTC) Hey Andrew, did you take the precaution of putting your stuff in clear plastic, or were you in a tent, and, or up on a stage and somewhat protected? The idea of doing a gig at Burning Man and the toll it would take on my hardware looping gear and effects, not to mention my guitars, fills me with terror. I have lusted after the ground control pro, though I use the behringer and have had excellent track record with it, although it can get finicky and need re-calibration from time to time. I make heavy use of the expression pedals to both fade and pan my tracks, and I was wondering what expression pedals if any, that DMC recommends for the GC pro? Thanks Bill -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Chaikin [mailto:andrew@biggerbread.com] Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 11:45 AM To: 'David Trenkel'; Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? > I'm looking into a foot controller for > hands-free operation my laptop / > Ableton Live setup. I believe I'm a bit late in this discussion, because you've already received your Behringer, but... I love my Ground Control Pro. I've done about 175 shows with it since November 2003 -- including 9 shows in the harsh Nevada desert conditions of Burning Man (65-mph duststorms!) -- and it has never failed me. When I first started looping with Ableton Live, I bought the Behringer FCB 1010, but: a) It was too long in my rolling carry-on bag -- a big drawback for touring. b) On the unit I bought (new) from Guitar Center, one of the two expression pedals didn't work at all. This I took to be a bad omen. These, combined with some posts on LD saying that the Behringer was slightly cheaply made and somewhat beastly to program, led me to the GCP. The digital display comes in very handy as well. That having been said: I don't program the GCP very heavily. I keep things on their standard settings for the most part, and let Bome Midi Translator translate the events into keystrokes. So other folks' posts about fewer momentary switches and so on, I couldn't speak to. (Although, after reading that post, I realize that using some momentary switches would be very useful to me...) > stompbox-style switches ... which, wile very > sturdy, take more effort to trigger in time. > Since one of the uses of the pedal will be to > trigger clips in live, I need to have pretty > exact timing. True. My stuff is mostly all quantized, so as long as I hit a given trigger before the right beat, I'm okay. But even in non-quantized situations, I've found the triggers to be very responsive. As to the loudness of the triggers, they are certainly a bit louder than the FCB -- it's sort of a little metallic squeak -- but it's never been a problem for me onstage, and all I use to make my loops is a mic and my mouth. The only non-sturdy part of the GCP is the power cable. It's pretty thin. I called the company and bought an extra one, knowing that it would crap out some day. Two weeks ago, it did -- at a gig. Worked fine in soundcheck, was DOA when I got up onstage. One tug too many, I guess. Boy, was I glad I had the backup cable in my bag. Moral: always carry a spare for every cable in your rig -- power cables, MIDI cables, mic and output cables, etc. You can watch me using the GCP here: http://www.ableton.com/index.php?main=artists&sub=kid-beyond More videos coming to my own site soon. Andrew Chaikin, aka Kid Beyond andrew@biggerbread.com email@kidbeyond.com http://biggerbread.com | http://kidbeyond.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 11 21:59:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E42F53BF0A; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:59:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopersdelight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5UFMpvybHZ5Wag3QDBv/Scj2LLHz3bkab/w1O+6wXDCGtOywtS2xJfWj80U2S+1NQYpPvRymaNEhzcVu4PHgc19djuPbgf3XY/udftAYdLHWPVJG8rPJhRlaZ2oiM+HThWTHeNs3ekr0cI1wPyIGGgFIVWLNaiZqaG686t52lYo= ; Message-ID: <20050811215917.24727.qmail@web32510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:59:17 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: carry ons & gear To: Loopers-Delight@loopersdelight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1649624279-1123797557=:24697" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:59:18 +0000 (UTC) --0-1649624279-1123797557=:24697 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit k pasa. does airline security freak out on electronics?is there stuff you cant carry on?any horror stories? 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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1649624279-1123797557=:24697-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 11 22:02:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9D4D3BF13; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:02:23 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:02:23 +0000 (UTC) I went to costco and bought the largest hard back suitcase on wheels that is allowed on the airplanes and i can barely get both my FCB1010 and My Vox tonelab se in it lengthwise, and the tonelab is even longer than the FCB. Granted, I can't carry it on, but, I feel it is secure, and safe, It also claims to have a lock that can be opened by airport security with a skeleton key, but that can remain locked during transport. I'll test that claim on my next plane trip...wish me luck. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 1:46 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? Ground Control manual pdf is at: http://www.voodoolab.com/gcontrolpro.htm Check the link at the bottom of the page. TH On 8/11/05, Per Boysen wrote: > This is my concern as well with the FCB. I have done a couple of web > search but did not find any PDF manual online for the Ground Control, > so I really don't know if I could make good use of one. Have anyone > tried to bring an FCB on an air craft? If you keep it in a gig bag > you may be allowed to put it on the floor under your seat? Andrew has > really chosen the most touring friendly instrument ;-) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 11 22:03:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 119783BEF0; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:03:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AQrschKsMMXzrlhzDM4y6c4QFjJ5iAoi0QYnEApda4wK6Kp89T+gcRJ/49iurpwiBiyHi2QqP1xOx57RIwgeclWg3OmfY0uXce//AGbmAKconf11QlYJTx0fL7z6uliyfQBgCmnWYEdoSGMO9/y6bOAUqhZCIjoSUUik5RdRt6k= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:03:26 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: carry ons & gear In-Reply-To: <20050811215917.24727.qmail@web32510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050811215917.24727.qmail@web32510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:03:28 +0000 (UTC) Sometimes. I haven't had anyone freak out in many years, certainly not since 9/11. However, I don't fit the profile the TSA denies using. On 8/11/05, daniel stevenson wrote: > k pasa. does airline security freak out on electronics?is there stuf= f > you cant carry on?any horror stories? "you may ask yourself" (wa= ter > flowing under rock)... scary. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 11 22:06:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A936F3BED5; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:06:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LwS9ONpGRfgBLbbx3bcliLJ66+5bJGRebWH7XB848689itqjPY+rJhxjcZlW/ZSomKtW/17QERD8zP7ypZmaOKK5yNF23r+hHw1yO5S4oVhzFwnGIK0JM9Lvq9IBJnRojR/1fEMKTdotCp60+szfiHDEf5UH+fvg9e68gO0mQMg= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:06:29 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: <7qNR7B.A.lTE.mv8-CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:06:30 +0000 (UTC) Secure? It's already got wheels and a handle on it and it's out of your sight for most of the trip? Who do you think steals the luggage? On 8/11/05, William Walker wrote: > I went to costco and bought the largest hard back suitcase on wheels that= is > allowed on the airplanes and i can barely get both my FCB1010 and My Vox > tonelab se in it lengthwise, and the tonelab is even longer than the FCB. > Granted, I can't carry it on, but, I feel it is secure, and safe, It als= o > claims to have a lock that can be opened by airport security with a skele= ton > key, but that can remain locked during transport. I'll test that claim on= my > next plane trip...wish me luck. > Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 11 22:26:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABD1F3BEFF; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:26:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: [OT] preamp for MD and fieldrecordings Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:26:02 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20050811160921.41072.qmail@web25205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:26:03 +0000 (UTC) I would suggest a different route. You may not need the absolute best mics for field recording. I use an ECM-MS907, that runs on one double a battery and has two polar patterns and is capable a 120 degree stereo field. I recorded everything from woodpeckers to parades with that little mic, into my sony mini disc player, and guess what, a waterfall sounds like a waterfall, and singing swallows sound like singing swallows. My point is we have all become so spec and bit resolution conscious. I have recorded some of my best stuff onto mini disc direct off a mixing board and when I listen to it, I'm not thinking, hmmmm that sounds compressed, I'm more likely to be thinking , ouch there was a mistake in my playing. Ha Ha, so I say, save your good mics from the elements , save your money and time trying to find an good sounding, inexpensive battery powered mic pre (I'm not sure they exist), and buy one of the sony mics designed to plug in to the 1/8th stereo pre on the mini disc recorder. They sound good and I own some very good mics myself. The one I bought cost about $120 US. Bill -----Original Message----- From: obadia [mailto:firlgriend@yahoo.fr] Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 9:09 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [OT] preamp for MD and fieldrecordings hello, this is completely off topic but... do you have any good tips about portable preamps? i have 2 excellent AKG mics, xlr static mic, they need a preamp and i'd like to use a mini-disc to record outside. i know mini-disc are not the best because of the compression but i can't afford a DAT or these nice m-audio recorders. any tip? thank you stéphane ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 11 22:34:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 123623BF13; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:34:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:34:17 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <1XVkv.A.BLF.pJ9-CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:34:18 +0000 (UTC) Yes and the chance of that happening is probably similar to the chance of me being killed in a car accident. It is in a non descript suitcase not in a road case that screams Hey every one! cool music gear inside! Much as I'd love to have a rig like Andrews, I'm also walking an electric guitar on the plane and I'm still using hardware loopers and DSPs so some stuff needs to go through luggage. I have no choice. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 3:06 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? Secure? It's already got wheels and a handle on it and it's out of your sight for most of the trip? Who do you think steals the luggage? On 8/11/05, William Walker wrote: > I went to costco and bought the largest hard back suitcase on wheels that is > allowed on the airplanes and i can barely get both my FCB1010 and My Vox > tonelab se in it lengthwise, and the tonelab is even longer than the FCB. > Granted, I can't carry it on, but, I feel it is secure, and safe, It also > claims to have a lock that can be opened by airport security with a skeleton > key, but that can remain locked during transport. I'll test that claim on my > next plane trip...wish me luck. > Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 11 22:39:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D6C43BF27; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:39:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=SWuE0H6s9Vu2Ikn7LwBKtKCmukICYUx7kLUCAk5TrXCJggdMCz2ZsvfZJ9ikSDZjMuMGe91pZ6Rd4zmjLgpa9VhTjcylbiPx5jcqeATCRLu3eqKj6DTX4aZKXZj4DSBQVPeL38l2C0FeZd/TOKXin/OqS9TBoU1Y68sq7/HkGUo= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:39:11 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:39:15 +0000 (UTC) Dangerous drivers in your neck of the woods... Personally, I don't know anyone who's been killed in a car accident, even though they drive every day, but five or six people who've had stuff stolen by airport baggage handlers even though they fly rarely. On 8/11/05, William Walker wrote: > Yes and the chance of that happening is probably similar to the chance of= me > being killed in a car accident. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 11 23:29:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D22C3BEFA; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 23:29:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <016001c59ecc$74ca2910$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: TIPS for FLYING with GEAR was: carry ons and gear Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:29:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 23:29:03 +0000 (UTC) Daniel enquired: "k pasa. does airline security freak out on electronics?is there stuff you cant carry on?any horror stories? "you may ask yourself" (water flowing under rock)... scary." I've toured in 13 countries in the past couple of years including North America, Great Britain, Europe and Japan. What I've found is that you should prepare for a very long security check (always leaving the US, but oddly enough, not coming back in). It is extremely helpful to have a written manifest of every piece of electronic gear that you have to give to the security agents. It can really expedite things. Give yourself a full two hours if you are leaving the country...........an hour and a half if you are travelling in country before departure. If you have a favorite expensive instrument : CARRY IT ON!!!!!! Airline insurance will not cover any breakage accrued by insensitive baggage handlers. You'll definitely need to get to the plane early. Tell the steward/ess at the gate that you need to board early so that you can store your axe in the oversized luggage containers that they have at the very front of the aircraft. They have very limited space in these oversized storage units and if you get on later, there may , literally , be no place to store your gear. The largest rack case you can have is a 6 space rack (I know, I know, this sucks horribly) and your largest case has to be no larger than 63 linear inches in diameter. You have typically been able to have two 70 lb backs without going over weight limits but a lot of airlines and probably all of them will reduce that to 50 lbs soon. With weighty cables, this is not very much gear to take on and is the singular reason why I'm considering switching to laptop looping configurations for the future. One solution is to get those huge luggage bags with very sturdy wheels and handles and just put your gear inside of clothing (probably safer than a typical flight case anyway unless it is sprung). I'm about to buy an enormous one for my next trip to Europe. Just cutting down on the racking eliminates a lot of weight. Here's a trick I use for getting more gear on board. I just invested in several black drawstring bags that are large and can be thrown over my shoulder. You can fill a couple of those and sling them over your back and it's hard for the airport people to see how much you are carrying. ************* For getting around Europe and England I highly recommend Gator cases that have retractable handles and wheels. You can wheel one of those puppies and a huge suitcase on wheels by yourself and it is infinitely cheaper to tour on trains than by either plane or car in Europe at least. Oh, one last thought: get those really wide nylon belts and put two of them around each rack case. Rack cases WILL OPEN when thrown around enough. No matter how many fragile stickers I put on a case, they get thrown around and I break latches off periodically. I sometimes wonder if some baggage handlers perversely throw the bags that are marked fragile. I get more wear and tear from my cases merely having them loaded on and off planes than in any other travelling I do with them. It's a good thing to take a couple of extra latches, some bolts and a small powered screwdriver (with some drill bits the size of your latch rivets) with you to replace them. Good luck and let me know if you need more info. yours, Rick Walker ps Another thing to consider is ask your hosts if they have any of the gear that you use. Sometimes it's better to borrow an EDP, Repeater, DL 4, Boss RC20, Boomerang or what have you and quickly reprogram it when you get there than taking it along. Cables, certainly, are universal and are extremely heavy (when you use as many as I do. It takes more planning, but each venue can almost always provide you with enough cabling to put your rig together if you need to lose weight in your carry on luggage. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 11 23:42:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE3F23BF13; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 23:42:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lyS979UajwSUxhJU/MTeQeh6sUAo31XL+BAJyF51+9Q001HNMKIQ5deAmfXiJgzjh5vJy3bvmbwPti5cb6KEs5RPXqrVi4+eWoAScHuosD12ZNHxKHv1EvF+eD2AcXAC8QPGM3BerfRqxSp6FhBmAeY5JSMxYTTj7G3hCRBRKf8= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:42:45 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: TIPS for FLYING with GEAR was: carry ons and gear In-Reply-To: <016001c59ecc$74ca2910$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <016001c59ecc$74ca2910$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 23:42:50 +0000 (UTC) The last time I flew international, they tried to enforce carry on size and weight limits. The weight was something absurdly small, so my girlfriend's laptop with case, power adaptor and cables was too heavy. I recommend reading the fine fine print on your air carrier's website regarding baggage limitations. I was pleasantly surprised to find that the Pedaltrain hardcase was designed to fit within the airline carryon size guidelines--it slides right into that "must fit in here to be carried on" box that usually goes unused at the departure gate. However, a modest pedal board will probably be over the weight limits. On 8/11/05, loop.pool wrote: > Daniel enquired: > "k pasa. does airline security freak out on electronics?is there stu= ff > you cant carry on?any horror stories? "you may ask yourself" (wa= ter > flowing under rock)... scary." >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 12 05:44:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C0903BF2D; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 05:44:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: Loopfestival contribution on Swiss national radio Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:43:51 +0200 Message-ID: <010601c59f00$d4c9ab90$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <000c01c59dc6$018b02a0$0affff0a@hppav> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.7 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: <1Kb9s.A.jv.pcD_CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 05:44:09 +0000 (UTC) Thanks a lot, David! Bernhard http://nosuch.biz http://loopfestival.com > -----Original Message----- > From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] > Sent: Mittwoch, 10. August 2005 18:10 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Loopfestival contribution on Swiss national radio >=20 > To listen to this, surf to the URL below and click on the Web Radio = icon > on > the right side of the page. > http://www.drs.ch/drs2.html >=20 > August 23rd - between 9 and 10pm Swiss time, so I think that is 3-4pm = New > York and 12-1pm San Fran time. >=20 >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 8:09 AM > Subject: FW: Loopfestival contribution on Swiss national radio >=20 >=20 >=20 > Dear Loopfest-Infested >=20 > I am very happy to announce that there will be a 10 to 15 minute > contribution about the International Loopfestival Z=FCrich on the = Swiss > national radio station DRS2 in the emission "Jazz aktuell" on Tuesday, > August 23rd between 21:00 and 22:00 hours featuring an interview about > live > looping, the festival, and some sounds played live. >=20 > If you're within reach of this station please tune in! >=20 > Thank you > Bernhard > http://nosuch.biz > http://loopfestival.com >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 12 05:49:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E63A3BF35; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 05:49:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Loopfestival contribution on Swiss national radio Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:49:30 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <010601c59f00$d4c9ab90$2101a8c0@alhambra> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 05:49:32 +0000 (UTC) Awesome Baby! -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Wagner LD [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 10:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Loopfestival contribution on Swiss national radio Thanks a lot, David! Bernhard http://nosuch.biz http://loopfestival.com > -----Original Message----- > From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] > Sent: Mittwoch, 10. August 2005 18:10 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Loopfestival contribution on Swiss national radio > > To listen to this, surf to the URL below and click on the Web Radio icon > on > the right side of the page. > http://www.drs.ch/drs2.html > > August 23rd - between 9 and 10pm Swiss time, so I think that is 3-4pm New > York and 12-1pm San Fran time. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 8:09 AM > Subject: FW: Loopfestival contribution on Swiss national radio > > > > Dear Loopfest-Infested > > I am very happy to announce that there will be a 10 to 15 minute > contribution about the International Loopfestival Zürich on the Swiss > national radio station DRS2 in the emission "Jazz aktuell" on Tuesday, > August 23rd between 21:00 and 22:00 hours featuring an interview about > live > looping, the festival, and some sounds played live. > > If you're within reach of this station please tune in! > > Thank you > Bernhard > http://nosuch.biz > http://loopfestival.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 12 05:54:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1F4C3BF34; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 05:54:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Adios Dr. Z Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:54:35 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000501c59e27$2bf6b9b0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <1jxm_.A.tAB.cmD_CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 05:54:36 +0000 (UTC) Lovely. -----Original Message----- From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 8:46 PM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: Adios Dr. Z I posted a song as a tribute to Richard Zvonar tonight. I hope someday I get a chance to play it for him. www.looppool.info/Adios_Dr_Z/ It's a 17 meg download so don't attempt it with dial up. peace. r. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 12 08:01:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D8C73BF28; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:01:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:04:55 +0200 Subject: Re: carry ons & gear From: Andreas Willers To: LD to post Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050811215917.24727.qmail@web32510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="MS_Mac_OE_3206685895_21301_MIME_Part" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:01:47 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3206685895_21301_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi, not really. They are used to laptops etc. Just stay patient and calm yourself. I was a little shocked when this guy started to put some strange powder on my guitar tho, but it didn't do any harm. Andreas Von: daniel stevenson Antworten an: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Datum: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:59:17 -0700 (PDT) An: Loopers-Delight@loopersdelight.com Betreff: carry ons & gear Neu gesendet von: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Neu gesendet am: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 21:59:18 +0000 (UTC) k pasa. does airline security freak out on electronics?is there stuff you cant carry on?any horror stories? "you may ask yourself" (water flowing under rock)... scary. --MS_Mac_OE_3206685895_21301_MIME_Part Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: carry ons & gear Hi,
not really. They are used to laptops etc. Just stay patient and calm yourse= lf. I was a little shocked when this guy started to put some strange powder = on my guitar tho, but it didn't do any harm.
Andreas


Von: daniel stevenson <stillllscary@yahoo.com>
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Datum: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:59:17 -0700 (PDT)
An: Loopers-Delight@loopersdelight.com
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k pasa.      does airline security fre= ak out on electronics?is there stuff you cant carry on?any horror stories? &= nbsp;       "you may ask yourself&qu= ot;  (water flowing under rock)...     scary. --MS_Mac_OE_3206685895_21301_MIME_Part-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 12 09:22:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2F2B3BF3C; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:22:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <25975C78-5127-4A11-9122-CC925F4B650B@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Behringer FCB 1010 or Digital Music Ground Control? Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:22:38 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:22:42 +0000 (UTC) On Aug 12, 2005, at 0:06, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Secure? It's already got wheels and a handle on it and it's out of > your sight for most of the trip? Who do you think steals the luggage? That depends on where you are traveling. Once we passed the Moscow airport for a transit. Out of five people in the group everyones trunk had been opened and valuable things stolen. Before the transit we had been warned and advised to stuff our pockets with all valuable things, keeping only dirty clothes and sleeping bags in the luggage and not by any means locking the trunks. One girl locked her trunk anyway, and it got out marked with a tidy knife hole where someone had been searching its interiors. This happened in the nineties but I'm not sure things has gotten better over there since then. I've been flying a lot with one guitar + backpack and never had any problem. When I brought a big acoustic guitar I was allowed to stuff it just behind the cockpit. Electrics in gig bags usually go into the over-seat storage area. During tours I went with most airlines in Europe and south east Asia and it was all cool. The present situation is more difficult, because of all the looping equipment have to be brought. I did as Bill, bought a big ugly trunk that can swallow my FCB and the smaller gadgets. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 12 09:24:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 808AE3BF38; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:24:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004e01c59f1f$ac5659f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Tips for HotRodding your Looping PC Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 02:24:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:24:45 +0000 (UTC) A guy at the Microsound/Glitch music tribe at tribe.net just posted this really excellent guide to optimizing a PC computer for music. It's one of the best and most comprehensive articles I've seen on the subject and it might be cool to add to the thread if people have other good HotRodding tips. How about a similar thread for the Mac side of the equation? Certainly simple things like using one hard drive for audio only and one for OS and apps is a good thing for Macs. There is so much computer live looping going on right now with a half a dozen live looping apps in the wings about to be released for both PC and Mac that I thought this wasn't too terribly offtopic. Forgive me if you think it is. ************ Tweaks for Optimizing your PC for Audio in Windows Just because you buy a computer with the latest specs, doesn't mean you'll get the best performing PC, especially when it comes to audio. There are certain configurations and settings that can make your PC optimal for audio work. PLEASE NOTE: The following tips are only suggestions that I have tried on my PC. They are not requirements. Just because they work for me, doesn't automatically mean they will work for you. I will not be held responsible for any damage they may cause if you do something incorrectly. Try these suggestions at your own risk. TWO DRIVES ARE BETTER The first thing I did to boost my PC's performance was to add a second hard drive just for audio data. So now my C drive contains Windows and all my software, and my D drive contains only the audio data from my projects. This allows my audio software to access the audio data much more quickly. Of course I also had to 'tell' my software where to find the data. In Cakewalk's Sonar, this meant moving my WaveData folder to the second hard drive. And then in Sonar, choosing Options > Audio > Advanced, and entering the new folder location in the Data Directory parameter. For Steinberg's Cubase, you would need to move your Audio Files Folder. To find out the name of the current folder, in Cubase choose Options > Audio Setup > Audio Files Folder. Take note of the folder, and then move it to the new drive using Windows Explorer. In Cubase, choose Options > Audio Setup > Audio Files Folder again, and this time select the new folder location. AUDIO DRIVE FORMATTING When configuring the second hard drive, I made sure to set up the drive using the FAT 32 file system, which (to me) seems faster than NTFS (although I haven't done extensive testing). Please refer to the Windows Help on how to set up your drive using FAT 32. I also used a special formatting command that would create bigger hard drive data clusters. Larger clusters allow the data to be read and written faster. Here's how I formatted the drive: 1) In Windows, choose Start > Programs > MS-DOS Prompt. (WinXP users choose All Programs > Accessories > Command Prompt) 2) At the C:\WINDOWS> prompt, I entered FORMAT D:/Z:64 and pressed Enter on my computer keyboard. (WinXP users should enter FORMAT D:/A:64) I just followed the prompts after that and Windows formatted my drive accordingly. TURN AUTO RUN OFF Windows likes to scan the CD drive continuously to see if a CD has been inserted, allowing programs to run automatically. This can possibly cause disruptions in audio recording and playback. I disabled it as follows: 1) Right-click on My Computer and choose Properties. 2) Click the Device Manager tab. 3) Double-click on the CDROM listing. 4) Double-click on your CD-ROM drive shown in the list under CDROM. 5) Click the Settings tab. 6) Deactivate the Auto Insert Notification option and click OK. 7) Repeat for all CD drives you have in your system. For WinXP users, the procedure is different: 1) Choose Start > My Computer. 2) Right-click on your CD-ROM drive and choose Properties. 3) Click on the AutoPlay tab. 4) Choose a file type from the drop-down list. 5) Activate the Select An Action To Perform option. 6) Choose Take No Action. 7) Repeat steps 4 through 6 for each file type in the drop-down list. TYPICAL ROLE OF THIS PC (WinXP users can skip this one) I'm not sure if any significant performance increase is provided by this Windows change, but I've made the change on my system none-the-less. Supposedly, by 'telling' Windows how your PC will be used determines the priority of hard drive access. So by specifying your PC as a Network Server, Windows will give hard drive access a higher priority. Here's how to do it: 1) Right-click My Computer and choose Properties. 2) Click on the Performance tab and then on the File System button. 3) Click on the Hard Disk tab. 4) Choose Network Server for the Typical Role Of This Computer parameter. 5) Click OK. LIMIT VIRTUAL MEMORY Windows uses a swap file on your hard drive when it doesn't have enough physical memory to run its operations. Usually, the size of the swap file is changed on-the-fly, which can cause excess disk access (a definite no-no on an audio PC). So to specify an exact size for the swap file (thus stopping the on-the-fly resizing and providing better audio performance), do the following: 1) (WinXP users choose Start first) Right-click on My Computer and choose Properties. 2) Click on the Performance tab and then on the Virtual Memory button. (WinXP users click on the Advanced tab, then click on the Settings button in the Performance section, then click the Advanced tab, and finally click the Change button in the Virtual Memory section) 3) Choose the Let Me Specify My Own Virtual Memory Settings option. (WinXP users choose the Custom Size option) 4) In the Hard Disk drop-down list, choose a location for the virtual memory swap file. This should be the same drive on which you have Windows installed. You probably won't have to change this setting. (WinXP users can skip step 4) 5) For the Minimum and Maximum parameters enter the same value. The value should be anywhere from 2 to 4 times the amount of physical memory you have installed in your computer. Try going with 2 times at first. The higher the number you use the more disk space you need for the swap file. For example, if you have 128MB of memory installed in your computer, you can try a value of 256 for both the Minimum and Maximum parameters. (WinXP users enter values for the Initial Size and Maximum Size parameters accordingly) 6) Click OK. 7) Click Yes. (WinXP users can skip step 7) CRACK DOWN ON FILE CACHING (WinXP users can skip this one) In an attempt to make reading and writing disk drive data more efficient, Windows uses a cache to store some disk data in RAM. Unfortunately, this doesn't work well at all for audio data, and can actually cause problems. So to limit the file caching, do the following: 1) In Windows, choose Start > Run. 2) Type SYSEDIT in the Open field, and click OK to open the System Configuration Editor. 3) Click on the Window showing the SYSTEM.INI file. 4) Scroll down to find the section labeled [vcache]. 5) Directly beneath the [vcache] heading type the following: MaxFileCache=8192 MinFileCache=8192 6) Choose File > Exit to close the System Configuration Editor, and choose YES if asked to save changes. OTHER BASIC TWEAKS There are a few other basic Windows parameters you can adjust to make things run more smoothly. One such thing is the system sounds. You really don't need them, and they can be distracting when working with audio and music. To disable them, do the following (see below for WinXP): 1) Choose Start > Settings > Control Panel. 2) Double-click the Sounds applet. 3) In the Sounds Properties dialog box, choose No Sounds in the Schemes drop-down list. 4) Click OK. WinXP users do the following: 1) Choose Start > Control Panel. 2) Click the Sounds, Speech, and Audio Devices category. 3) Under Pick A Task, choose Change The Sound Scheme. 4) In the Sound Scheme drop-down list, choose No Sounds. 5) Click OK. Other nuisances you don't need are the various Windows Effects and the Active Desktop. To disable these, do the following (see below for WinXP): 1) Right-click on the Windows Desktop and choose Properties. 2) Click on the Effects tab. 3) Deactivate all the options in this dialog box. 4) Click on the Web tab. 5) Deactivate the View My Active Desktop As A Web Page option. 6) Click OK. WinXP users do the following: 1) Choose Start. Then right-click on My Computer and choose Properties. 2) Click the Advanced tab. 3) Click the Settings button in the Performance section. 4) Under the Visual Effects tab, choose the Adjust For Best Performance option. 5) Click OK. Other tweaks you should perform are to turn off any background processes that are hogging resources. Here are just a few: 1- Turn off your screensaver. 2- Adjust the power settings of your monitor [Right Click on Desktop and select Properties and select advanced or settings tab under screen saver/monitor.] The Power Scheme should be Always On and all the settings underneath this power scheme should read 'NEVER'. 3- Turn off and/or shut down all of your virus/spyware protection programs and/or the Internet in general. One additional tweak I've found helpful (excluding hardware upgrades like faster disk drives or additional RAM) is to ensure that the "DMA" option is checked for every disk drive on the IDE bus (including CD-ROM and CD writers). Go to Control Panel/System/Device Manager/Disk Drives, and look at the settings for each of the IDE drives. DMA (direct memory access) enables the audio software to access the hard disk directly without going through the CPU. This makes a vital difference in multi-track audio recording. Hope you all find that these tips are helpful. Please check some other fine links below as well. If you are using Windows XP, this site is awesome for optimizing your PC for audio. www.musicxp.net If you're setting up a new system, this entire guide is highly recommended; go to TASCAM's web site at this address: www.tascamgiga.com/pdf/opti...ng-xp-and-2k.pdf If you have windows 98, I sincerely suggest upgrading just as I did a couple years back. You will certainly pull out less hair in the long run, because the blue screen of death will almost cease to exist. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 12 10:14:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD15E3BF39; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:14:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6.2J rev 2.1 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 19:14:19 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: OT: our label, electr-ohm site renewal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:14:26 +0000 (UTC) Hi LD, Sorry for off topic. Our label, electr-ohm site renewal. we started distribution. please visit to: http://www.cavestudio.com/electr-ohm and go to distribution. We focused electronic music.(IDM,abstract,experimental,electro-acoustic etc etc..) We will add the item gradually... Thanks Sunao Inami http://www.cavestudio.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 12 10:27:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9122F3BF35; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:27:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <004e01c59f1f$ac5659f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <004e01c59f1f$ac5659f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <130C5837-D79C-4735-A891-249D8C2E00E1@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Tips for HotRodding your Looping PC Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:27:17 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:27:20 +0000 (UTC) On Aug 12, 2005, at 11:24, loop.pool wrote: > > just posted this really excellent guide to optimizing a PC computer > for > music. It's one of the best and most comprehensive articles I've > seen > on the subject and it might be cool to add to the thread if people > have > other good HotRodding tips. I agree! Good posting, Rick! It was aimed at desktop machines, but many tweaks are the same for lappies. My main audio computing experience is from Win98 and Windows XP PCs and I did all that stuff. I also used the software Partition Magic to set up two identical (cloned) audio optimized systems (plus one third clone on DVD media for hardware backup). When starting the machine there is a little application called Boot Magic (comes bundled with PM) that lets you pick the system that you want to boot from. Now this is NOT the same thing as the Windows XP built-in "dual boot". Typically I had three or four systems installed on drive C. Each one in its own partition and when booted the other two (or three) systems became invisible for the active system. Drive D was used for audio files and sample library. As I said, two of the systems were identical clones of an audio optimized Windows XP, the third was for office working and using the internet. The last system partition was for installing and trying new applications. On a Windows PC its a no- no to instal more software than you need for your work (It will slow down the system. Got better with XP, but still an issue). The idea of keeping two identical audio optimized partitions was that if I had a severe Windows problem I would not have to ask people to wait while I fixed it - I could simply reboot the machine from the cloned audio system and keep up whatever we were into. This was made possible by keeping all audio working projects on the D drive, the only place on the machine that is shared by all system partitions. > How about a similar thread for the Mac side of the equation? Amazingly thin! OS X is a rewrite of Unix and as such aimed at keeping the machine going practically by itself. When I got a Mac with OS X two years ago I was used to defragging, and even swapping and reinstalling (took me 8 minutes on PC with Ghost), on a regularly basis. This is not the way to run a OS X system, I learned. The only thing you really have to be careful with is to always repair permissions before and after installing new software. You can also leave the machine on overnight now and then, because then OS X will run The Cron Scripts (yeah, sounds like a thriller ;-) which is an old Unix self maintaining procedure. > Certainly simple things > like using one hard drive for audio only and one for OS and apps is > a good thing > for Macs. I've learned that this may not be as important as with Windows XP. But one thing of major importance is to run OS X with lots of free disc space. The reason it so rarely does fragment the drives is that OS X is a never resting cleaning worker. It keeps moving and restoring files all the time to continually optimize the system in the background. Something I was initially skeptical to, but fact is I still have to see an issue with my macs. Today it's two years since I started using a dual G5 on a daily (as well as many night shifts) basis. A powerbook I have been using for 15 months. Both are doing their job splendidly, never any problem at all. For PowerBooks there have been published a couple of "Audio optimizing tweaks" on the net. I tried them but found no performance gain at all. So, like most OS X users, I now run them macs pretty much as they come out of the box. Things I have found important for the PowerBook is to maximize the RAM to 2 GB, to allow audio software to put the samples (the live loops) in the RAM instead of shuffling it up and down the hard drive. Plenty of free drive space is of course important for a mac lappy as well. But that's it, I think. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 12 11:25:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 626C23BF35; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:25:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: superb looping beasts Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:24:14 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:18:06 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.102.98 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:25:13 +0000 (UTC) for those who don't read Robert Fripp's diary at http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/diary/diary-RobertFripp.shtml "The Echoplexes are superb looping beasts, ideal for guitars & useful for other things, with wonderful tricks & delights. But they don't deliver the sound quality of the Eventide 8000, which is a specific need for me on an orchestral Soundscape. So, with this version of the SV, the 8000 is most of it & the Echoplexes additions, rather than foundational." Michael Peters www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 12 12:32:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 598D23BF3E; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:32:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [64.4.56.202] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: superb looping beasts Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:32:31 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2005 12:32:32.0138 (UTC) FILETIME=[E9063EA0:01C59F39] Resent-Message-ID: <9rJPuC.A.7hC.ibJ_CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:32:35 +0000 (UTC) >From: "Michael Peters" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "Loopers Delight" >Subject: superb looping beasts >Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:24:14 +0200 > >for those who don't read Robert Fripp's diary at >http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/diary/diary-RobertFripp.shtml > >"The Echoplexes are superb looping beasts, ideal for guitars & useful for >other things, with wonderful tricks & delights. But they don't deliver the >sound quality of the Eventide 8000, which is a specific need for me on an >orchestral Soundscape. So, with this version of the SV, the 8000 is most of >it & the Echoplexes additions, rather than foundational." > >Michael Peters >www.michaelpeters.de > heheh - i was just about to post that link as well! the "SV" that ripp refers to is the "Solar Voyager" - the new rig that replaces the "Lunar Module" - there are some nice pics on the site sim www.simeonharris.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 12 14:22:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14B4C3BF35; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:22:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Tips for HotRodding your Looping PC Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:22:39 -0600 Message-ID: <012a01c59f49$4bf4f1a0$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <004e01c59f1f$ac5659f0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 125, in=414, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:22:44 +0000 (UTC) Thank you Rick! I was searching for weeks on how to disable the auto-play on my CD-ROM, and this article had it. That's freakin' annoying as hell. Boy, after switching to laptop a few months ago, I learned that disabling the desktop sounds is a MUST....the first time I hit a wrong key with headphones on, and the Windows Exclamation sound blasted through my EDPs and headphones, I about had a cardiac arrest, and with delay to boot! Kris -----Original Message----- From: loop.pool [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 3:25 AM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: Tips for HotRodding your Looping PC A guy at the Microsound/Glitch music tribe at tribe.net just posted this really excellent guide to optimizing a PC computer for music. It's one of the best and most comprehensive articles I've seen on the subject and it might be cool to add to the thread if people have other good HotRodding tips. How about a similar thread for the Mac side of the equation? Certainly simple things like using one hard drive for audio only and one for OS and apps is a good thing for Macs. There is so much computer live looping going on right now with a half a dozen live looping apps in the wings about to be released for both PC and Mac that I thought this wasn't too terribly offtopic. Forgive me if you think it is. ************ Tweaks for Optimizing your PC for Audio in Windows Just because you buy a computer with the latest specs, doesn't mean you'll get the best performing PC, especially when it comes to audio. There are certain configurations and settings that can make your PC optimal for audio work. PLEASE NOTE: The following tips are only suggestions that I have tried on my PC. They are not requirements. Just because they work for me, doesn't automatically mean they will work for you. I will not be held responsible for any damage they may cause if you do something incorrectly. Try these suggestions at your own risk. TWO DRIVES ARE BETTER The first thing I did to boost my PC's performance was to add a second hard drive just for audio data. So now my C drive contains Windows and all my software, and my D drive contains only the audio data from my projects. This allows my audio software to access the audio data much more quickly. Of course I also had to 'tell' my software where to find the data. In Cakewalk's Sonar, this meant moving my WaveData folder to the second hard drive. And then in Sonar, choosing Options > Audio > Advanced, and entering the new folder location in the Data Directory parameter. For Steinberg's Cubase, you would need to move your Audio Files Folder. To find out the name of the current folder, in Cubase choose Options > Audio Setup > Audio Files Folder. Take note of the folder, and then move it to the new drive using Windows Explorer. In Cubase, choose Options > Audio Setup > Audio Files Folder again, and this time select the new folder location. AUDIO DRIVE FORMATTING When configuring the second hard drive, I made sure to set up the drive using the FAT 32 file system, which (to me) seems faster than NTFS (although I haven't done extensive testing). Please refer to the Windows Help on how to set up your drive using FAT 32. I also used a special formatting command that would create bigger hard drive data clusters. Larger clusters allow the data to be read and written faster. Here's how I formatted the drive: 1) In Windows, choose Start > Programs > MS-DOS Prompt. (WinXP users choose All Programs > Accessories > Command Prompt) 2) At the C:\WINDOWS> prompt, I entered FORMAT D:/Z:64 and pressed Enter on my computer keyboard. (WinXP users should enter FORMAT D:/A:64) I just followed the prompts after that and Windows formatted my drive accordingly. TURN AUTO RUN OFF Windows likes to scan the CD drive continuously to see if a CD has been inserted, allowing programs to run automatically. This can possibly cause disruptions in audio recording and playback. I disabled it as follows: 1) Right-click on My Computer and choose Properties. 2) Click the Device Manager tab. 3) Double-click on the CDROM listing. 4) Double-click on your CD-ROM drive shown in the list under CDROM. 5) Click the Settings tab. 6) Deactivate the Auto Insert Notification option and click OK. 7) Repeat for all CD drives you have in your system. For WinXP users, the procedure is different: 1) Choose Start > My Computer. 2) Right-click on your CD-ROM drive and choose Properties. 3) Click on the AutoPlay tab. 4) Choose a file type from the drop-down list. 5) Activate the Select An Action To Perform option. 6) Choose Take No Action. 7) Repeat steps 4 through 6 for each file type in the drop-down list. TYPICAL ROLE OF THIS PC (WinXP users can skip this one) I'm not sure if any significant performance increase is provided by this Windows change, but I've made the change on my system none-the-less. Supposedly, by 'telling' Windows how your PC will be used determines the priority of hard drive access. So by specifying your PC as a Network Server, Windows will give hard drive access a higher priority. Here's how to do it: 1) Right-click My Computer and choose Properties. 2) Click on the Performance tab and then on the File System button. 3) Click on the Hard Disk tab. 4) Choose Network Server for the Typical Role Of This Computer parameter. 5) Click OK. LIMIT VIRTUAL MEMORY Windows uses a swap file on your hard drive when it doesn't have enough physical memory to run its operations. Usually, the size of the swap file is changed on-the-fly, which can cause excess disk access (a definite no-no on an audio PC). So to specify an exact size for the swap file (thus stopping the on-the-fly resizing and providing better audio performance), do the following: 1) (WinXP users choose Start first) Right-click on My Computer and choose Properties. 2) Click on the Performance tab and then on the Virtual Memory button. (WinXP users click on the Advanced tab, then click on the Settings button in the Performance section, then click the Advanced tab, and finally click the Change button in the Virtual Memory section) 3) Choose the Let Me Specify My Own Virtual Memory Settings option. (WinXP users choose the Custom Size option) 4) In the Hard Disk drop-down list, choose a location for the virtual memory swap file. This should be the same drive on which you have Windows installed. You probably won't have to change this setting. (WinXP users can skip step 4) 5) For the Minimum and Maximum parameters enter the same value. The value should be anywhere from 2 to 4 times the amount of physical memory you have installed in your computer. Try going with 2 times at first. The higher the number you use the more disk space you need for the swap file. For example, if you have 128MB of memory installed in your computer, you can try a value of 256 for both the Minimum and Maximum parameters. (WinXP users enter values for the Initial Size and Maximum Size parameters accordingly) 6) Click OK. 7) Click Yes. (WinXP users can skip step 7) CRACK DOWN ON FILE CACHING (WinXP users can skip this one) In an attempt to make reading and writing disk drive data more efficient, Windows uses a cache to store some disk data in RAM. Unfortunately, this doesn't work well at all for audio data, and can actually cause problems. So to limit the file caching, do the following: 1) In Windows, choose Start > Run. 2) Type SYSEDIT in the Open field, and click OK to open the System Configuration Editor. 3) Click on the Window showing the SYSTEM.INI file. 4) Scroll down to find the section labeled [vcache]. 5) Directly beneath the [vcache] heading type the following: MaxFileCache=8192 MinFileCache=8192 6) Choose File > Exit to close the System Configuration Editor, and choose YES if asked to save changes. OTHER BASIC TWEAKS There are a few other basic Windows parameters you can adjust to make things run more smoothly. One such thing is the system sounds. You really don't need them, and they can be distracting when working with audio and music. To disable them, do the following (see below for WinXP): 1) Choose Start > Settings > Control Panel. 2) Double-click the Sounds applet. 3) In the Sounds Properties dialog box, choose No Sounds in the Schemes drop-down list. 4) Click OK. WinXP users do the following: 1) Choose Start > Control Panel. 2) Click the Sounds, Speech, and Audio Devices category. 3) Under Pick A Task, choose Change The Sound Scheme. 4) In the Sound Scheme drop-down list, choose No Sounds. 5) Click OK. Other nuisances you don't need are the various Windows Effects and the Active Desktop. To disable these, do the following (see below for WinXP): 1) Right-click on the Windows Desktop and choose Properties. 2) Click on the Effects tab. 3) Deactivate all the options in this dialog box. 4) Click on the Web tab. 5) Deactivate the View My Active Desktop As A Web Page option. 6) Click OK. WinXP users do the following: 1) Choose Start. Then right-click on My Computer and choose Properties. 2) Click the Advanced tab. 3) Click the Settings button in the Performance section. 4) Under the Visual Effects tab, choose the Adjust For Best Performance option. 5) Click OK. Other tweaks you should perform are to turn off any background processes that are hogging resources. Here are just a few: 1- Turn off your screensaver. 2- Adjust the power settings of your monitor [Right Click on Desktop and select Properties and select advanced or settings tab under screen saver/monitor.] The Power Scheme should be Always On and all the settings underneath this power scheme should read 'NEVER'. 3- Turn off and/or shut down all of your virus/spyware protection programs and/or the Internet in general. One additional tweak I've found helpful (excluding hardware upgrades like faster disk drives or additional RAM) is to ensure that the "DMA" option is checked for every disk drive on the IDE bus (including CD-ROM and CD writers). Go to Control Panel/System/Device Manager/Disk Drives, and look at the settings for each of the IDE drives. DMA (direct memory access) enables the audio software to access the hard disk directly without going through the CPU. This makes a vital difference in multi-track audio recording. Hope you all find that these tips are helpful. Please check some other fine links below as well. If you are using Windows XP, this site is awesome for optimizing your PC for audio. www.musicxp.net If you're setting up a new system, this entire guide is highly recommended; go to TASCAM's web site at this address: www.tascamgiga.com/pdf/opti...ng-xp-and-2k.pdf If you have windows 98, I sincerely suggest upgrading just as I did a couple years back. You will certainly pull out less hair in the long run, because the blue screen of death will almost cease to exist. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 12 14:27:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B629C3BF3E; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:27:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: superb looping beasts Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:27:34 -0600 Message-ID: <012b01c59f49$fb8f51f0$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 4, First 126, in=381, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:27:38 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Michael. When he says "sound quality" what do you think he means? Signal to noise ratio? Reproducing the quality of the original sound source? All of the above? BTW, what is the bit spec on our EDPs? 16? Also, Rick, didn't you once tell me that the EDPs used an Apple IIC processor? You meant a Motorolla processor, right? I don't think Apple ever made a processor, but I could be wrong. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Michael Peters [mailto:mp@mpeters.de] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 5:24 AM To: Loopers Delight Subject: superb looping beasts for those who don't read Robert Fripp's diary at http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/diary/diary-RobertFripp.shtml "The Echoplexes are superb looping beasts, ideal for guitars & useful for other things, with wonderful tricks & delights. But they don't deliver the sound quality of the Eventide 8000, which is a specific need for me on an orchestral Soundscape. So, with this version of the SV, the 8000 is most of it & the Echoplexes additions, rather than foundational." Michael Peters www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 12 14:49:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F4B13BF3E; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:49:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <42FCB708.0001A9.01032@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:49:44 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_WI64UJJR9Y21VA400000" X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: MIDI USB X-FID: FLAVOR00-NONE-0000-0000-000000000000 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:49:42 +0000 (UTC) --------------Boundary-00=_WI64UJJR9Y21VA400000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,=0D =0D I have a question. And yes, I have just been to lazy to research, so I though I'd use the loopers-delight collective brain.=0D =0D =0D Is there a USB MIDI device on the market?=0D =0D Although I love may sampler....it takes time to sample from PC to externa= l unit. I'd like to convert it to a controller for samples already in the P= C. =0D =0D =0D Thank you,=0D Sony=0D =0D =20 --------------Boundary-00=_WI64UJJR9Y21VA400000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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 I have a question. And yes, I have just been to lazy to r= esearch, so I though I'd use the loopers-delight collective brain.
 
 
Is there a USB MIDI device on the market?
 
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--------------Boundary-00=_WI64UJJR9Y21VA400000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 12 15:09:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD27C3BF45; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:09:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XvDKOaGr6HClo8gK+nFQTOQ8hnPojEenTsHqAzAxe8FN/FIR37K8cvmfFm8eWusfesNe6XytNmrNvgCDqp0hD4jeJANt1BRQaiXL0odA4XJ1kiqlFzlDA0+aSXBTB8rrwRIySaCzlDAknrMwVYz5u6pJdw1ArQ71BTs30DrxG9o= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:09:34 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: superb looping beasts In-Reply-To: <012b01c59f49$fb8f51f0$6601a8c0@khartung> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <012b01c59f49$fb8f51f0$6601a8c0@khartung> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:09:36 +0000 (UTC) EDP's are CD quality, 16 bit, 44.1kHz. =20 RF's been using tc 2290's and Eventide stuff which probably has higher-quality a/d converters. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire audio path on those units is of higher quality than the EDP. Or, maybe the blinking lights just make it seem better. On 8/12/05, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Thanks, Michael. When he says "sound quality" what do you think he > means? Signal to noise ratio? Reproducing the quality of the original > sound source? All of the above? >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 12 15:28:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 701993BF47; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:28:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,103,1122868800"; d="scan'208"; a="69635067:sNHT28055672" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20050812082739.010eb8c0@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:28:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: superb looping beasts In-Reply-To: References: <012b01c59f49$fb8f51f0$6601a8c0@khartung> <012b01c59f49$fb8f51f0$6601a8c0@khartung> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <5BPhwC.A.KM.RAM_CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:28:18 +0000 (UTC) Almost... 16 bit, 41.4KHz At 2005.08.12 08:09 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: >EDP's are CD quality, 16 bit, 44.1kHz. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 12 15:34:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41E153BF54; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:34:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <42FBC5FF.40209@sun.com> References: <6409D6DA-0AA2-11DA-8782-000A95A5D158@peak.org> <269B5338-1563-41C9-95AB-8201F19C67B3@boysen.se> <42FBC5FF.40209@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3F79849F-9AEF-4550-9341-7F2B5AA8764D@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: demo clips of NI Guitar Combos software amp sim Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:34:47 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: <8fRz5C.A.AZ.aGM_CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:34:51 +0000 (UTC) Hi, If someone is curious on the NI Guitar Combos amp simulating software I recorded a song with it and posted the full mix and solo'ed guitar tracks at http://www.boysen.se/studio/ Please keep in mind that this is not the musical style I usually play. The recording was done very quickly to accompany a review of the NI GC and its purpose is to show some guitar sounds available with the plug-in. A home built, low pickup output, stratocaster was used - as you can hear by the noise floor ;-) Guitar lined directly into the sound card for recording through the NI plug-in. Bass was recorded with the same strat through a TC Electronics FireworX to pitch down one octave. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 12 15:41:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7593B3BF43; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:41:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: superb looping beasts Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:41:22 -0600 Message-ID: <013d01c59f54$4acdd5c0$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 125, in=397, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:41:26 +0000 (UTC) That's good enough for me! -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 9:10 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: superb looping beasts EDP's are CD quality, 16 bit, 44.1kHz. RF's been using tc 2290's and Eventide stuff which probably has higher-quality a/d converters. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire audio path on those units is of higher quality than the EDP. Or, maybe the blinking lights just make it seem better. On 8/12/05, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Thanks, Michael. When he says "sound quality" what do you think he > means? Signal to noise ratio? Reproducing the quality of the original > sound source? All of the above? > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 12 16:20:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B1C43BF44; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:20:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:23:32 +0200 Subject: Re: superb looping beasts From: Andreas Willers To: LD to post Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <012b01c59f49$fb8f51f0$6601a8c0@khartung> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:20:24 +0000 (UTC) Hi, coming from the t.c.2290 as my main looping tool I found the sonic quality (and the construction quality BTW, the circuit board in mine wasn't even fastened to the chassis AT ALL, no screws in there!) of the EDP was less than perfect. The EDP tended to distort easily and there was a little noise floor. I had mine modified by Dirk Baldringer on the analog side of things and am quite happy with it since then. I even started to like outright lo-fi looping sounds since then, deepends on the musical setting. Also the tweakability especially with the new software sets the EDP apart fron any other machine. Andreas > Von: "Krispen Hartung" > Antworten an: > Datum: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:27:34 -0600 > An: > Betreff: RE: superb looping beasts > Neu gesendet von: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Neu gesendet am: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:27:38 +0000 (UTC) > > Thanks, Michael. When he says "sound quality" what do you think he > means? Signal to noise ratio? Reproducing the quality of the original > sound source? All of the above? > > BTW, what is the bit spec on our EDPs? 16? > > Also, Rick, didn't you once tell me that the EDPs used an Apple IIC > processor? You meant a Motorolla processor, right? I don't think Apple > ever made a processor, but I could be wrong. > > Kris > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Peters [mailto:mp@mpeters.de] > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 5:24 AM > To: Loopers Delight > Subject: superb looping beasts > > > for those who don't read Robert Fripp's diary at > http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/diary/diary-RobertFripp.shtml > > "The Echoplexes are superb looping beasts, ideal for guitars & useful > for other things, with wonderful tricks & delights. But they don't > deliver the sound quality of the Eventide 8000, which is a specific need > for me on an orchestral Soundscape. So, with this version of the SV, the > 8000 is most of it & the Echoplexes additions, rather than > foundational." > > Michael Peters > www.michaelpeters.de > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 12 18:29:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6123A3BF6B; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:29:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4163.24.92.72.91.1123871353.squirrel@webmail4.pair.com> In-Reply-To: References: <012b01c59f49$fb8f51f0$6601a8c0@khartung> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Digitech Jamman Yahoo forum... From: gary@friendlyspider.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:29:15 +0000 (UTC) For anyone interested: There is a new Yahoo group for users of the Digitech Jamman. All necessary links are listed below. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jamman/ Post message: jamman@yahoogroups.com Subscribe: jamman-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: jamman-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com List owner: jamman-owner@yahoogroups.com If you feel like it, pass this on to any other Jamman users you run across. This doesn't by any means replace the vast resources of knowledge offered by Looper-Delight, but it does offer an additional "lighter" forum for those who are looking for more specific info. ...Hope this is appropriate. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 12 18:38:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B52E33BF77; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:38:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=UTNk/k2ZY/dAKgYGVwtAwuxQBhjFqUOPisBiaMpfCngUG9gpTk+gcKAseRqqgDACZkdFo+OpOJvSVdGzzlR0onmLWmersRyiM6H1xxITBSC/VGUIUKPb99cj97vvoSdZBZd7xlzcK7fyXjVRjcQ+laWIUus1BLK2cnbqEqMdf0g= ; Message-ID: <20050812183823.60440.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:38:22 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman Yahoo forum... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4163.24.92.72.91.1123871353.squirrel@webmail4.pair.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:38:41 +0000 (UTC) Has it even shipped yet? I'd like to hear a review from someone. Mark --- gary@friendlyspider.com wrote: > For anyone interested: > There is a new Yahoo group for users of the Digitech > Jamman. > All necessary links are listed below. > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jamman/ > > Post message: jamman@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: jamman-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: > jamman-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: jamman-owner@yahoogroups.com > > If you feel like it, pass this on to any other > Jamman users you run across. > This doesn't by any means replace the vast resources > of knowledge offered > by Looper-Delight, but it does offer an additional > "lighter" forum for those > who are looking for more specific info. > ...Hope this is appropriate. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 12 18:40:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 879DB3BF81; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:40:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=F4T1sbFYUcSIhmQMPG6iDCOGGL8RO/EKtiLo9uGCimfKh46iBcwNL23Cqh4krlbL6wNwrlmern3tGzO1O+TFymk72gKshBEVTlW6Evt94IFdMkhIkFdIz/H1Ulxa3szY4hDDismm0vVwQrbkYNUpcf9geSAR7qbUPYICSPpYwxE= ; Message-ID: <20050812184043.55045.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:40:43 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: superb looping beasts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <013d01c59f54$4acdd5c0$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:40:45 +0000 (UTC) Do we even know if Fripp was talking about the Echoplex or the Echoplex Digital Pro? Mark --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > That's good enough for me! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Hartnett > [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 9:10 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: superb looping beasts > > > EDP's are CD quality, 16 bit, 44.1kHz. > > RF's been using tc 2290's and Eventide stuff which > probably has > higher-quality a/d converters. I wouldn't be > surprised if the entire > audio path on those units is of higher quality than > the EDP. > > Or, maybe the blinking lights just make it seem > better. > > > On 8/12/05, Krispen Hartung > wrote: > > Thanks, Michael. When he says "sound quality" what > do you think he > > means? Signal to noise ratio? Reproducing the > quality of the original > > > sound source? All of the above? > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 12 18:43:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E5633BF7D; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:43:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:54:20 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Re: Digitech Jamman Yahoo forum... In-Reply-To: <20050812183823.60440.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20050812183823.60440.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:43:04 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, 12 Aug 2005, mark sottilaro wrote: > Has it even shipped yet? I'd like to hear a review > from someone. > > Mark I saw one in the local Sam Ash store at the beginning of last week, and someone on this or the repeater list wrote earlier this week he'd received it from zzounds already. So they've at least started shipping. regards, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > > --- gary@friendlyspider.com wrote: > >> For anyone interested: >> There is a new Yahoo group for users of the Digitech >> Jamman. >> All necessary links are listed below. >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jamman/ >> >> Post message: jamman@yahoogroups.com >> Subscribe: jamman-subscribe@yahoogroups.com >> Unsubscribe: >> jamman-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> List owner: jamman-owner@yahoogroups.com >> >> If you feel like it, pass this on to any other >> Jamman users you run across. >> This doesn't by any means replace the vast resources >> of knowledge offered >> by Looper-Delight, but it does offer an additional >> "lighter" forum for those >> who are looking for more specific info. >> ...Hope this is appropriate. >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 12 18:47:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6A183BF8E; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:47:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mgUxOom0AzE7Lt04aKJB4r7SfcGNPdAQjnf3/Ax0tH/sMrpI/+mOqiApwZfbJc9riZKa+mHlinbrVR8zoP1yGbSK1MQqAIvtYoLW+F/N3+wDXm1wjrgOfnDYA+6KVLswKfdUSPlcOH+v/Jl3behKIyVsa6nEDtEDtmQxoeaPG+Q= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:47:51 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: superb looping beasts In-Reply-To: <20050812184043.55045.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <013d01c59f54$4acdd5c0$6601a8c0@khartung> <20050812184043.55045.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-gVijD.A.hDH.Y7O_CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:47:52 +0000 (UTC) Two EDP+'s are visible in the photo in the link. On 8/12/05, mark sottilaro wrote: > Do we even know if Fripp was talking about the > Echoplex or the Echoplex Digital Pro? >=20 > Mark >=20 > --- Krispen Hartung wrote: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 12 18:51:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4A173BF95; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:51:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,103,1122868800"; d="scan'208"; a="69719797:sNHT22195792" Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20050812114901.0116e100@mail02.powweb.com> x-files: the truth is out there Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:51:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: RE: superb looping beasts In-Reply-To: <20050812184043.55045.qmail@web81305.mail.yahoo.com> References: <013d01c59f54$4acdd5c0$6601a8c0@khartung> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:51:06 +0000 (UTC) The pix at the diary/journal showed two black face EDPs in the rack below the H8000. At 2005.08.12 11:40 AM, mark sottilaro wrote: >Do we even know if Fripp was talking about the >Echoplex or the Echoplex Digital Pro? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 12 19:01:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E6063BF98; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 19:01:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4196.24.92.72.91.1123873264.squirrel@webmail4.pair.com> In-Reply-To: <20050812183823.60440.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <4163.24.92.72.91.1123871353.squirrel@webmail4.pair.com> <20050812183823.60440.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman Yahoo forum... From: gary@friendlyspider.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 19:01:04 +0000 (UTC) They've been shipping and arriving and making loops. I've had mine for about a week. I'll post a review over the weekend. I still have my original Jamman as well. I'm still waiting for the Jamwoman to come out... it'll have to be even loopier... (a good thing) and it will stay in sync and not get lost -it won't be afraid to lock to a tempo map ! > Has it even shipped yet? I'd like to hear a review > from someone. > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 12 20:26:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0CDA3BF79; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:26:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: demo clips of NI Guitar Combos software amp sim Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 22:26:13 +0200 Message-ID: <004001c59f7c$1a92da40$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3F79849F-9AEF-4550-9341-7F2B5AA8764D@boysen.se> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:26:49 +0000 (UTC) I particularly enjoy guitar_combos_mix.mp3 > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] > Sent: Freitag, 12. August 2005 17:35 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: demo clips of NI Guitar Combos software amp sim > > Hi, > > If someone is curious on the NI Guitar Combos amp simulating software > I recorded a song with it and posted the full mix and solo'ed guitar > tracks at http://www.boysen.se/studio/ > > Please keep in mind that this is not the musical style I usually > play. The recording was done very quickly to accompany a review of > the NI GC and its purpose is to show some guitar sounds available > with the plug-in. A home built, low pickup output, stratocaster was > used - as you can hear by the noise floor ;-) Guitar lined directly > into the sound card for recording through the NI plug-in. Bass was > recorded with the same strat through a TC Electronics FireworX to > pitch down one octave. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 12 21:44:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADBE83BF56; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:44:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:49:24 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: carry ons & gear AND a letter to help get things into the cabin To: Message-id: <000901c59f87$b553da60$02d1a344@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C59F66.2D6065E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:44:34 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C59F66.2D6065E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: carry ons & gearIn the USA, if you are traveling on a plane, it's = likely you can get some hassles about taking your musical equipment in = the cabin. I have a PDF of a letter from the US Dept. of Transportation from Jan = 17, 2003 that you may do well to carry with you. Basically the letter = states that in additon to one bag and one carry-on, people can take into = the cabin one instrument. Probably a good idea to print this letter out and have it with you when = you board the plane... In my next e-mail, I'll try attaching the PDF document so everyone can = have it. If if doesn't stay "attached" please send me an e-mail and I = can forward copies individually to those you want it. David Kirkdorffer ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C59F66.2D6065E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: carry ons & gear
In the USA, if you are traveling on a = plane, it's=20 likely you can get some hassles about taking your musical equipment in = the=20 cabin.
 
I have a PDF of a letter from the US = Dept. of=20 Transportation from Jan 17, 2003 that you may do well to carry with you. = Basically the letter states that in = additon to=20 one bag and one carry-on, people can take into the cabin one=20 instrument.
 
Probably a good idea to print this = letter out and=20 have it with you when you board the plane...
 
In my next e-mail, I'll try attaching = the PDF=20 document so everyone can have it.  If if doesn't stay "attached" = please=20 send me an e-mail and I can forward copies individually to those you = want=20 it.
 
David = Kirkdorffer
------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C59F66.2D6065E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 12 21:48:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 338EC3BF6C; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:48:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: carry ons & gear AND a letter to help get things into the cabin Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:48:13 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C59F4C.DDCB3460" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <000901c59f87$b553da60$02d1a344@hppav> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:48:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C59F4C.DDCB3460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Re: carry ons & gearThanks' Bill -----Original Message----- From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 2:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: carry ons & gear AND a letter to help get things into the cabin In the USA, if you are traveling on a plane, it's likely you can get some hassles about taking your musical equipment in the cabin. I have a PDF of a letter from the US Dept. of Transportation from Jan 17, 2003 that you may do well to carry with you. Basically the letter states that in additon to one bag and one carry-on, people can take into the cabin one instrument. Probably a good idea to print this letter out and have it with you when you board the plane... In my next e-mail, I'll try attaching the PDF document so everyone can have it. If if doesn't stay "attached" please send me an e-mail and I can forward copies individually to those you want it. David Kirkdorffer ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C59F4C.DDCB3460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: carry ons & gear
Thanks'
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: David Kirkdorffer=20 [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net]
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 = 2:49=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re:=20 carry ons & gear AND a letter to help get things into the=20 cabin

In the USA, if you are traveling on a = plane, it's=20 likely you can get some hassles about taking your musical equipment in = the=20 cabin.
 
I have a PDF of a letter from the US = Dept. of=20 Transportation from Jan 17, 2003 that you may do well to carry with = you.=20 Basically the letter states that in = additon to=20 one bag and one carry-on, people can take into the cabin one=20 instrument.
 
Probably a good idea to print this = letter out and=20 have it with you when you board the plane...
 
In my next e-mail, I'll try attaching = the PDF=20 document so everyone can have it.  If if doesn't stay "attached" = please=20 send me an e-mail and I can forward copies individually to those you = want=20 it.
 
David=20 Kirkdorffer
------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C59F4C.DDCB3460-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 12 22:03:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01F813BF38; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 22:03:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QPe/qCEO76PUMdHQmBCzo3g6fqAYmmAeXN0JaqrztWpKQxuYZsLPODPH7DE2qZGYcrh2R/nPZfngpqiE2nnfkAbWhWL6xSJx+WPf6UmbikP0lZWupdYMZYuqJ/zL2O/NgTUwaLA+/nlZLrnsmfOLSfccKk1uMDsk3Zxy28HKgQs= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:03:36 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: carry ons & gear AND a letter to help get things into the cabin In-Reply-To: <000901c59f87$b553da60$02d1a344@hppav> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000901c59f87$b553da60$02d1a344@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 22:03:38 +0000 (UTC) That letter only gets you past the security folks in the terminal (no mean feat!), the cabin crew on the plane is the final arbiter of what goes inside the plane. On 8/12/05, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > =20 > In the USA, if you are traveling on a plane, it's likely you can get some > hassles about taking your musical equipment in the cabin.=20 > =20 > I have a PDF of a letter from the US Dept. of Transportation from Jan 17, > 2003 that you may do well to carry with you. Basically the letter states > that in additon to one bag and one carry-on, people can take into the cab= in > one instrument.=20 > =20 > Probably a good idea to print this letter out and have it with you when y= ou > board the plane...=20 > =20 > In my next e-mail, I'll try attaching the PDF document so everyone can ha= ve > it. If if doesn't stay "attached" please send me an e-mail and I can > forward copies individually to those you want it.=20 > =20 > David Kirkdorffer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 12 22:14:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 582DC3BF43; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 22:14:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 18:14:13 -0400 Subject: Re: carry ons & gear AND a letter to help get things into the cabin From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000901c59f87$b553da60$02d1a344@hppav> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3206715257_31200625" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 22:14:19 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3206715257_31200625 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable For the record, I=B9ve had my butt saved probably 5 times over the past year with this letter... The other 40 nobody gave me any grief... I have a big computer bag, a violin and either an FCB1010 in a bag or a two space rack case. (granted, that=B9s too much anyway..,) T. On 8/12/05 5:49 PM, "David Kirkdorffer" wrote: > In the USA, if you are traveling on a plane, it's likely you can get some > hassles about taking your musical equipment in the cabin. > =20 > I have a PDF of a letter from the US Dept. of Transportation from Jan 17,= 2003 > that you may do well to carry with you. Basically the letter states that = in > additon to one bag and one carry-on, people can take into the cabin one > instrument. > =20 > Probably a good idea to print this letter out and have it with you when y= ou > board the plane... > =20 > In my next e-mail, I'll try attaching the PDF document so everyone can ha= ve > it. If if doesn't stay "attached" please send me an e-mail and I can for= ward > copies individually to those you want it. > =20 > David Kirkdorffer >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com http://www.ethelcentral.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn --B_3206715257_31200625 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: carry ons & gear AND a letter to help get things into the ca= bin For the record, I̵= 7;ve had my butt saved probably 5 times over the past year with this letter.= .. The other 40 nobody gave me any grief... I have a big computer bag, a vio= lin and either an FCB1010 in a bag or a two space rack case.  (granted,= that’s too much anyway..,)

T.




On 8/12/05 5:49 PM, "David Kirkdorffer" <vze2ncsr@verizon.net&= gt; wrote:

In the USA, if you are traveling on a plane, it's likely you can get some h= assles about taking your musical equipment in the cabin.
I have a PDF of a letter from the US Dept. of Tra= nsportation from Jan 17, 2003 that you may do well to carry with you. Basica= lly the letter states that in additon to one bag and one carry-on, people ca= n take into the cabin one instrument.
Probably a good idea to print this letter out and= have it with you when you board the plane...
In my next e-mail, I'll try attaching the PDF doc= ument so everyone can have it.  If if doesn't stay "attached"= please send me an e-mail and I can forward copies individually to those you= want it.
David Kirkdorffer



---------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------
“Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad” - Trevor Exter
“Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to th= e creative part of sound” - Ornette Coleman
---------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------
Todd Reynolds
42-09 47th Ave 1C
Sunnyside, NY  11104
 
Ph.    718 392-3773
Mob.   917 576-6166
Fax    419 781-5502
 
http://www.toddreynolds.com
http://www.ethelcentral.com

todd@toddreynolds.com
9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less)
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 --B_3206715257_31200625-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 12 22:43:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57A223BF4B; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 22:43:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MbItu84xm+/fecC71Bak41+v5gJQ7uB8Z/VW1CBo9On+AQ8tKvFDgHv1ZY3ZPItl798evOomVUrSwTTHLOhKqKGrF06Bzn1HoTAWyOtYabD1mFZoDlKrFOexyi9ad4969BygV4vgjhWzFrwJqmhzqkNGf+ITCbv5OMgg2LAGVik= ; Message-ID: <20050812224355.15397.qmail@web25209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 00:43:55 +0200 (CEST) From: obadia Subject: RE: [OT] preamp for MD and fieldrecordings To: billwalker@baymoon.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 22:43:58 +0000 (UTC) thank you for your help, i think i'll go for the solution of a stereo mic on battery and MD recorder. cheap, and the good thing about having something not too valuable is that you can have it with you all the time. not like my expansive akg. thanx everybody. stéphane http://www.clumsybeats.org --- William Walker a écrit : > I would suggest a different route. You may not need > the absolute best mics > for field recording. I use an ECM-MS907, that runs > on one double a battery > and has two polar patterns and is capable a 120 > degree stereo field. I > recorded everything from woodpeckers to parades with > that little mic, into > my sony mini disc player, and guess what, a > waterfall sounds like a > waterfall, and singing swallows sound like singing > swallows. My point is we > have all become so spec and bit resolution > conscious. I have recorded some > of my best stuff onto mini disc direct off a mixing > board and when I listen > to it, I'm not thinking, hmmmm that sounds > compressed, I'm more likely to be > thinking , ouch there was a mistake in my playing. > Ha Ha, so I say, save > your good mics from the elements , save your money > and time trying to find > an good sounding, inexpensive battery powered mic > pre (I'm not sure they > exist), and buy one of the sony mics designed to > plug in to the 1/8th stereo > pre on the mini disc recorder. They sound good and I > own some very good mics > myself. The one I bought cost about $120 US. > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: obadia [mailto:firlgriend@yahoo.fr] > Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 9:09 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: [OT] preamp for MD and fieldrecordings > > > hello, > this is completely off topic but... do you have any > good tips about portable preamps? > i have 2 excellent AKG mics, xlr static mic, they > need > a preamp and i'd like to use a mini-disc to record > outside. i know mini-disc are not the best because > of > the compression but i can't afford a DAT or these > nice > m-audio recorders. > any tip? > > thank you > > stéphane > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le > nouveau Yahoo! Messenger > Téléchargez cette version sur > http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com > > > > > ___________ Stéphane Obadia obadia@clumsybeats.org http://www.clumsybeats.org http://www.12rec.net/release_robsteady_019.htm ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 12 23:23:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28E8B3BF49; Fri, 12 Aug 2005 23:23:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007f01c59f94$da8b36e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: carry ons & gear AND a letter to help get things into the cabin Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:23:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 23:23:34 +0000 (UTC) Travis said: "That letter only gets you past the security folks in the terminal (no mean feat!), the cabin crew on the plane is the final arbiter of what goes inside the plane. > >>>I have a PDF of a letter from the US Dept. of Transportation from Jan > >>>17, > 2003 that you may do well to carry with you. Basically the letter states > that in additon to one bag and one carry-on, people can take into the > cabin > one instrument.>>>>>> What I've found (and I take extra gear onboard on every flight I ever take) is that if you get there early and ask to speak with the cabin crew and explain that you are a musician and have discovered that they won't insure your very valuable instrument that people are almost always freindly and helpful. Oddly enough, but I've found that if you chat up anyone at the airport and tell them what you are doing that they will bend over backwards to accomodate you. I can't tell you the number of times that check in clerks have waived excess baggage fees for me out of the kindness of their hearts. I can't stress enough though: GET THERE EARLY!!! If you are late you are screwed. That being said and done, you can't count on it ever and the airlines have gotten exceedingly more uptight since 9/11. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 13 00:00:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C5933BF4B; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 00:00:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FjpkSoHlXdhJYnlWZ8wfYkI7U/IcfEMcqGdC7GWNdZNXQkAW+PpUYZKCfYBB4/NRuupIPevRPCgZlvPvyCx4HoY15w1w9qiCJ3Zm2NkLpz06h3ia91Vhslf5DCMKZqKgsIwCrsF2OUgSiA69DEdTZ1tiXBXQM/ooqGwCJB4mQ8U= ; Message-ID: <20050813000007.78871.qmail@web50512.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:00:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Sam Rogers Reply-To: onemouthband@yahoo.com Subject: EDP Controller Chart v1 in File Library To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 00:00:08 +0000 (UTC) Following up on my promise to put something structural in Excel, I just uploaded my first attempt at a spreadsheet which I hope will serve as a more visual document detailing how to use the EDP controls. This is a work in progress, please add content as you see fit (the only content in there right now is from my original post!). The default parameters are on the first worksheet, with space for common setups on additional worksheets. Any worksheet labeled "master" is locked, email any questions to me off-list. I guess we can upload different versions to the file library, or you could email updates to me and I'll re-upload them to the library. I'm sure we'll run in to plenty of versioning issues down the line, but I didn't want to let that get in the way at this stage. Thanks for your contributions! Sam Rogers One Mouth Band www.OneMouthBand.com P.S. Thanks to Bernard Wagner and Jeff Laursen for the encouragement. Sorry not to incorporate any of your ideas yet Jeff, your post was just over my head. See if any of your thoughts can fit into this spreadsheet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 13 00:42:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67E7E3BF41; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 00:42:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FP79HnSX5ShjlgBGCh02ueCtjqolbu1qarAh6KNUSEdwNOgp3mk1P0Z/8dhHJtz8dpyWPXG4ZhuLzFc6YzSGSByO5Xt/digwgQfGCWnew5DnXmgvHAjYy/KZEsYlLzjgOwZ1BXrt+WEV3ZUVbLiz3YpFzX476o8Bjm1jHvaY/bo= Message-ID: <588ce11d050812174236d6d382@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 17:42:30 -0700 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [OT] preamp for MD and fieldrecordings Cc: billwalker@baymoon.com In-Reply-To: <20050812224355.15397.qmail@web25209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050812224355.15397.qmail@web25209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 00:42:31 +0000 (UTC) The reactive sounds delta mic runs off the plug in power supplied by minidisc recorders and is only $59.95. With the $35 "mic pod" stand it's a pretty slick package http://www.reactivesounds.com/ I haven't used that particular mic, but I have constructed my own using the same panasonic mic elements and found the result to perform much better than the Sony ECM-MS907 I used to own. If you are interested in making your own mic, I have a page up at: http://art.simon.tripod.com/stealth.html I put up some mp3s of recordings with the homemade mic with panasonic elements and the Sony ECM-MS907 for comparision. On 8/12/05, obadia wrote: > thank you for your help, > i think i'll go for the solution of a stereo mic on > battery and MD recorder. cheap, and the good thing > about having something not too valuable is that you > can have it with you all the time. not like my > expansive akg. thanx everybody. >=20 > st=E9phane > http://www.clumsybeats.org >=20 >=20 >=20 > --- William Walker a =E9crit : >=20 > > I would suggest a different route. You may not need > > the absolute best mics > > for field recording. I use an ECM-MS907, that runs > > on one double a battery > > and has two polar patterns and is capable a 120 > > degree stereo field. I > > recorded everything from woodpeckers to parades with > > that little mic, into > > my sony mini disc player, and guess what, a > > waterfall sounds like a > > waterfall, and singing swallows sound like singing > > swallows. My point is we > > have all become so spec and bit resolution > > conscious. I have recorded some > > of my best stuff onto mini disc direct off a mixing > > board and when I listen > > to it, I'm not thinking, hmmmm that sounds > > compressed, I'm more likely to be > > thinking , ouch there was a mistake in my playing. > > Ha Ha, so I say, save > > your good mics from the elements , save your money > > and time trying to find > > an good sounding, inexpensive battery powered mic > > pre (I'm not sure they > > exist), and buy one of the sony mics designed to > > plug in to the 1/8th stereo > > pre on the mini disc recorder. They sound good and I > > own some very good mics > > myself. The one I bought cost about $120 US. > > Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: obadia [mailto:firlgriend@yahoo.fr] > > Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 9:09 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: [OT] preamp for MD and fieldrecordings > > > > > > hello, > > this is completely off topic but... do you have any > > good tips about portable preamps? > > i have 2 excellent AKG mics, xlr static mic, they > > need > > a preamp and i'd like to use a mini-disc to record > > outside. i know mini-disc are not the best because > > of > > the compression but i can't afford a DAT or these > > nice > > m-audio recorders. > > any tip? > > > > thank you > > > > st=E9phane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________= __ > > Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le > > nouveau Yahoo! Messenger > > T=E9l=E9chargez cette version sur > > http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > >=20 > ___________ > St=E9phane Obadia > obadia@clumsybeats.org > http://www.clumsybeats.org > http://www.12rec.net/release_robsteady_019.htm >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _________________________________________________________________________= __ > Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenge= r > T=E9l=E9chargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com >=20 >=20 --=20 Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 13 01:20:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B17C63BF47; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 01:20:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:20:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: carry ons & gear AND a letter to help get things into the cabin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <5164008.1123896002056.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4te-vD.A.cH.ErU_CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 01:20:04 +0000 (UTC) two things regarding this: 1) the last several times i have flown to cali i was not permitted to take my guitar into the cabin of the plane.....i had to leave it at the gate and they walked it down to the storage cabin (better than leaving it at the ticket counter, i don't know, but i felt better) and after the flight, they walked it up to the front of the plane and it did not go through baggage.....and yes rickeee, i was as sweet as peach pie to all that i delt with but i guess the purple hair helps.....:) 2) here is what i'm taking to zurich: 1 boomerang, 2 alesis inekos, 1 alesis btrman, 10 various jacks, a large power strip and my guitar.....anyone that may need to use any of these is more than welcome as per sweet rickeeee's suggestion, what a dear young man!.....this amount-o-stuff fits into a carryon bag or into my kool 463 pocketed nerd jacket, minus the rang.....wheeee international air travel.....i shiver with excitment so my doc gave me some happy meds to calm me down.....what fun!.....mic http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 13 01:25:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 421503BF44; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 01:25:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=qrPtOg1PwNwZ0XMFukdd+bZAH3qO4zZ+WT0RDRmGHQHCLzvF7wRq4pQ450F6Ezpd; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200586131324650@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: carry ons & gear AND a letter to help get things into the cabin Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:32:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94024433c2dd3c9731e24574d2008faed2f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.147.29 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 01:25:23 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII you da man, DK! ~Tim M ----- Original Message ----- From: David Kirkdorffer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 8/12/2005 5:44:34 PM Subject: Re: carry ons & gear AND a letter to help get things into the cabin In the USA, if you are traveling on a plane, it's likely you can get some hassles about taking your musical equipment in the cabin. I have a PDF of a letter from the US Dept. of Transportation from Jan 17, 2003 that you may do well to carry with you. Basically the letter states that in additon to one bag and one carry-on, people can take into the cabin one instrument. Probably a good idea to print this letter out and have it with you when you board the plane... In my next e-mail, I'll try attaching the PDF document so everyone can have it. If if doesn't stay "attached" please send me an e-mail and I can forward copies individually to those you want it. David Kirkdorffer ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Re: carry ons & gear
you da man, DK!
~Tim M
 
 
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Sent: 8/12/2005 5:44:34 PM
Subject: Re: carry ons & gear AND a letter to help get things into the cabin

In the USA, if you are traveling on a plane, it's likely you can get some hassles about taking your musical equipment in the cabin.
 
I have a PDF of a letter from the US Dept. of Transportation from Jan 17, 2003 that you may do well to carry with you. Basically the letter states that in additon to one bag and one carry-on, people can take into the cabin one instrument.
 
Probably a good idea to print this letter out and have it with you when you board the plane...
 
In my next e-mail, I'll try attaching the PDF document so everyone can have it.  If if doesn't stay "attached" please send me an e-mail and I can forward copies individually to those you want it.
 
David Kirkdorffer
------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 13 01:29:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C75743BF51; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 01:29:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=JZ/c5lqxRpF0ZnbBwP0EUwVrGJvbmwwWmFv+Ll8ig0fhbd7T9IBvWnp0BFLc3VS8; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22005861313633880@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: carry ons & gear AND a letter to help get things into the cabin Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:36:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94066ae6a5b21a07a2e6d9d36bd34821bcd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.147.29 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 01:29:09 +0000 (UTC) Yes, but Michael, is Europe ready for you? The mind reels. (2 Inekos!?!) Still loving your CDRs, Tim "Un-Stableboy" Mungenast > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 8/12/2005 9:20:04 PM > Subject: Re: Re: carry ons & gear AND a letter to help get things into the cabin > > two things regarding this: > 1) the last several times i have flown to cali i was not permitted to take my > guitar into the cabin of the plane.....i had to leave it at the gate and they > walked it down to the storage cabin (better than leaving it at the ticket > counter, i don't know, but i felt better) and after the flight, they walked it > up to the front of the plane and it did not go through baggage.....and yes > rickeee, i was as sweet as peach pie to all that i delt with but i guess the > purple hair helps.....:) > 2) here is what i'm taking to zurich: 1 boomerang, 2 alesis inekos, 1 alesis > btrman, 10 various jacks, a large power strip and my guitar.....anyone that > may need to use any of these is more than welcome as per sweet rickeeee's > suggestion, what a dear young man!.....this amount-o-stuff fits into a carryon > bag or into my kool 463 pocketed nerd jacket, minus the rang.....wheeee > international air travel.....i shiver with excitment so my doc gave me some > happy meds to calm me down.....what fun!.....mic > > http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 13 02:20:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BDF73BF50; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 02:20:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:20:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: carry ons & gear AND a letter to help get things into the cabin To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <19965407.1123899618344.JavaMail.root@vms074.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 02:20:19 +0000 (UTC) << The mind reels. (2 Inekos!?!) Tim "Un-Stableboy" Mungenast>> thanks tim.....i was going to take a second btrman but i didn't want to seem like some crazed american playboy.....i'm turning my life around.....:).....mic http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 13 03:53:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 584D13BF50; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 03:53:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00ee01c59fba$c8c89850$0200a8c0@bigtony> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <013d01c59f54$4acdd5c0$6601a8c0@khartung> Subject: Re: superb looping beasts Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 23:54:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 03:53:00 +0000 (UTC) The Eventide is 24 bit, 96khz, 8 channel, 5.1 ... http://mwaudio.com/product_info/FX_PROCESSORS/EVENTIDE_H8000.html and it's $5495.00 I got my tickets to see Fripp and Porcupine Tree in Philly next month, so we'll see how he sounds. ;) Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 11:41 AM Subject: RE: superb looping beasts > That's good enough for me! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 9:10 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: superb looping beasts > > > EDP's are CD quality, 16 bit, 44.1kHz. > > RF's been using tc 2290's and Eventide stuff which probably has > higher-quality a/d converters. I wouldn't be surprised if the entire > audio path on those units is of higher quality than the EDP. > > Or, maybe the blinking lights just make it seem better. > > > On 8/12/05, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > Thanks, Michael. When he says "sound quality" what do you think he > > means? Signal to noise ratio? Reproducing the quality of the original > > > sound source? All of the above? > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 13 06:32:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94F2C3BF51; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 06:32:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cANytdIAQqXMtAxY3orHIRHjHylNcaP+s2VegMM4p52FRIgpZYG56gUfXf4AUQQWzD1XYXxGG3mTsBqg3jUp0h43hpj4AHiVf45pp072hFehJ88YQa7tjvVpik2uKZdSTVRSiQGq8bFRyoL/REFsl0EWF7mUtv8MMxulH+gdccM= ; Message-ID: <20050813063252.70889.qmail@web52812.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 23:32:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: RE: superb looping beasts To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20050812114901.0116e100@mail02.powweb.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 06:32:53 +0000 (UTC) I am curious about the looping capabilities of the eventide H8000,can you rich loopers out there spare a tip? cheers Luis --- Sean Echevarria wrote: > The pix at the diary/journal showed two black face > EDPs in the rack below > the H8000. > > > At 2005.08.12 11:40 AM, mark sottilaro wrote: > >Do we even know if Fripp was talking about the > >Echoplex or the Echoplex Digital Pro? > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 13 17:41:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17EF33BF4A; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 17:41:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Re: carry ons & gear AND a letter to help get things into the cabin Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 10:41:14 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5164008.1123896002056.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 17:41:15 +0000 (UTC) "Times i have flown to cali i was " Just don't say Frisco, Or I'll have to have you killed. Bill -----Original Message----- From: nemoguitt@verizon.net [mailto:nemoguitt@verizon.net] Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 6:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: carry ons & gear AND a letter to help get things into the cabin two things regarding this: 1) the last several times i have flown to cali i was not permitted to take my guitar into the cabin of the plane.....i had to leave it at the gate and they walked it down to the storage cabin (better than leaving it at the ticket counter, i don't know, but i felt better) and after the flight, they walked it up to the front of the plane and it did not go through baggage.....and yes rickeee, i was as sweet as peach pie to all that i delt with but i guess the purple hair helps.....:) 2) here is what i'm taking to zurich: 1 boomerang, 2 alesis inekos, 1 alesis btrman, 10 various jacks, a large power strip and my guitar.....anyone that may need to use any of these is more than welcome as per sweet rickeeee's suggestion, what a dear young man!.....this amount-o-stuff fits into a carryon bag or into my kool 463 pocketed nerd jacket, minus the rang.....wheeee international air travel.....i shiver with excitment so my doc gave me some happy meds to calm me down.....what fun!.....mic http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 13 17:49:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0D853BF52; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 17:49:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003a01c5a02f$69dbb280$6401a8c0@BESPC1> From: "Barry Silverman" To: Subject: EDP Brother Sync Question Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 10:49:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01C59FF4.BD3C7620" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 17:49:18 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C59FF4.BD3C7620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Kim and all other EDP users - Would you mind answering a brother sync = question for me? I have a newer EDP Pro Plus and my partner has an EDP = Pro with max RAM and Loop IV. I am having trouble getting brother sync = to work at all. I have a TRS stereo cable (new cable) connecting them = b-sync to b-sync. And both are set to Sync=3DOut. I do NOT have a MIDI = cable running between them. I follow the instructions in the manual to = the letter but never see the sync LED flash in the second unit (no = matter which initiates the master loop) and never see the ooo in the = display indicating that the slave unit is waiting for a sync pulse. Any = idea why this might be happening? We are desperately anxious to get = this working as it is one of the main reason my partner traded up to an = Echoplex. Any ideas or suggestions? Finally, assuming I am able to resolve the first issue, can anyone give = me more insight into how brother sync handles multiple loops? For = example, if I have moreloops=3D2 on the master, but only 1 on the slave, = will they still sync up and what happens when the master switches to = loop 2? Do I have to set the slave in advance to the same number of = loops as the master? Thank you in advance for your assistance, Barry ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C59FF4.BD3C7620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Kim and all other EDP users - Would = you mind=20 answering a brother sync question for me?  I have a newer EDP Pro = Plus and=20 my partner has an EDP Pro with max RAM and Loop IV.  I am having = trouble=20 getting brother sync to work at all.  I have a TRS stereo cable = (new=20 cable) connecting them b-sync to b-sync.  And both are set to=20 Sync=3DOut.  I do NOT have a MIDI cable running between them.  = I follow=20 the instructions in the manual to the letter but never see the sync LED = flash in=20 the second unit (no matter which initiates the master loop) and never = see the=20 ooo in the display indicating that the slave unit is waiting for a sync=20 pulse.  Any idea why this might be happening?  We are = desperately=20 anxious to get this working as it is one of the main reason my partner = traded up=20 to an Echoplex.  Any ideas or suggestions?
 
Finally, assuming I am able to resolve = the first=20 issue, can anyone give me more insight into how brother sync handles = multiple=20 loops?  For example, if I have moreloops=3D2 on the master, but = only 1 on the=20 slave, will they still sync up and what happens when the master switches = to loop=20 2?  Do I have to set the slave in advance to the same number of = loops as=20 the master?
 
Thank you in advance for your=20 assistance,
 
Barry
 
= ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C59FF4.BD3C7620-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 13 18:31:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54BBE3BF54; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 18:31:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: Loopfestival contribution on Swiss national radio Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 20:31:13 +0200 Message-ID: <009601c5a035$32c80f90$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000c01c59dc6$018b02a0$0affff0a@hppav> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.7 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 18:31:31 +0000 (UTC) Hi there I now have the confirmation that the emission will be webcast: 10 to 15 minute contribution about the Loopfestival in the Swiss = national radio station DRS2 on Tuesday, 23rd of August between 21 and 22 hrs in = the emission "Jazz aktuell". The emission will be webcast simultaneously but will not be available afterwards. To listen to this, surf to http://www.drs.ch/drs2.html and click on the Web Radio icon on the right side of the page. That is 3-4pm New York and 12-1pm San Fran time. For = other time zones please use the worldtimeserver (http://www.worldtimeserver.com/convert_time_in_CH.aspx?y=3D2005&mo=3D8&d= =3D23&h=3D2 1&mn=3D0). Thanks to David Kirkdorffer for pointing this out! Bernhard http://nosuch.biz http://loopfestival.com > -----Original Message----- > From: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] > Sent: Mittwoch, 10. August 2005 18:10 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Loopfestival contribution on Swiss national radio >=20 > To listen to this, surf to the URL below and click on the Web Radio = icon > on > the right side of the page. > http://www.drs.ch/drs2.html >=20 > August 23rd - between 9 and 10pm Swiss time, so I think that is 3-4pm = New > York and 12-1pm San Fran time. >=20 >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 8:09 AM > Subject: FW: Loopfestival contribution on Swiss national radio >=20 >=20 >=20 > Dear Loopfest-Infested >=20 > I am very happy to announce that there will be a 10 to 15 minute > contribution about the International Loopfestival Z=FCrich on the = Swiss > national radio station DRS2 in the emission "Jazz aktuell" on Tuesday, > August 23rd between 21:00 and 22:00 hours featuring an interview about > live > looping, the festival, and some sounds played live. >=20 > If you're within reach of this station please tune in! >=20 > Thank you > Bernhard > http://nosuch.biz > http://loopfestival.com >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 13 20:53:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EC773BF5A; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 20:53:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 16:58:28 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Fripp adds some echoplexes... To: Message-id: <003001c5a049$c1ff06a0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <410-22005861313633880@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 20:53:45 +0000 (UTC) FYI - sounds like Fripp is building a new rig. Gone are the TC Electronics. In go the Echoplexes. Thursday 4th. August, 2005 13.36 DGM HQ. The Solar Voyager continues its preparations for inter-planetary travel, while its operator aspires to the stars. The Echoplexes are superb looping beasts, ideal for guitars & useful for other things, with wonderful tricks & delights. But they don't deliver the sound quality of the Eventide 8000, which is a specific need for me on an orchestral Soundscape. So, with this version of the SV, the 8000 is most of it & the Echoplexes additions, rather than foundational. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 13 21:20:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3412E3BF5E; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 21:20:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 16:20:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: RE: Re: carry ons & gear AND a letter to help get things into the cabin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <16798128.1123968026471.JavaMail.root@vms076.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 21:20:31 +0000 (UTC) <<"Times i have flown to cali i was " Just don't say Frisco, Or I'll have to have you killed. Bill>> not nearly as nice as his big brother is he?.....where's da luv?.....:) http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 13 21:38:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A10A13BF66; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 21:38:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004201c5a04f$4a56f300$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: re: RE: Re: carry ons & gear AND a letter to help get things into the cabin Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 14:38:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 21:38:04 +0000 (UTC) Two Inekos, Two Bitrmans, GrandMaster Klobuchar? This sounds like some evil plan for world sonic disentegration. Do you actually run them all at the same time? Can anyone still tell it's a guitar once you have? Zurich is not ready for Michael Klobuchar. You heard it here first. Like Venezuela, the Europeans will soon stop recognizing American passports. Is UberLord Klobuchar secretly an Al Qaida agent? Two Inekos, Two Bitrmans. Whoooaaaa! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 13 21:43:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37F413BF65; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 21:43:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005201c5a050$02b6a800$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: 2nd SUNDAYS LIVE LOOPING tomorrow: WEIRD KALIMBA/Craig McCollough Santa Cruz Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 14:43:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 21:43:13 +0000 (UTC) Very late notice but I"ve had a gnarly virus this past week, so please forgive ********************************************************* The 2nd Sundays Live Looping Series continues this Sunday, August 14th at 8 p.m. with performances by uber creative trumpet/electronics artist Craig McCoullough and a special one time performance by Wierd Kalimba (Rick Walker's one off project utilizing acoustic traditional african instruments and electronics). As a little tacked on gift, we will also be having a premier of a piece by composer Wayne Jackson and a short dance performance with it. "The Simplicity of Opposition" Music: Karen Ganin-Pinto and Wayne Jackson Choreography: Karen Ganin-Pinto Lighting: Serit Eisenman The show is a gift to all ages in Santa Cruz from the artists,the producers and the ATTIC. Wierd Kalimba is local percussionist/live looper/abstract electronic artist Rick Walker's project that represents two of his great musical loves in a head on collision: Traditional West, South and North African music and avante garde electronic processing/looping. Utilizing only acoustic traditional african instruments as sonic sources, he will be looping and using looping and glitching techniques to 'distress' the results. The inspiration for this one off project came from a tribe Rick started at Tribe.net that gathers Kalimba/Mbira/Sanza/Marimbula/Thumb Piano players from around the world who are interested in unconventional uses of the traditional instrument. Craig McCoullough is somewhat of a rennaisance man in Santa Cruz. Known as a very sophisticated clothing designer of both goth and rave clothing he also is an accomplished classical trumpeter/flugelhornist who also is fascinated by the interface between acoustic classical instruments and electronics. Fascinated by lighting design, Craig's first design for the Y2K4 live looping festival featured a random laser patter reflected off of a speaker covered by a balloon with a mirror glued to the middle. The laser was then reflected onto an electronic sensor that Craig designed which triggered MIDI note events, creating a random ostinato pattern of electronic sounds. The results where fascinating. ***************************************** For more information, or interview requests please contact Rick Walker rickwalker@looppool.info 831-425-8659 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 13 22:50:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8C823BF66; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:50:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 15:51:06 -0800 Subject: "Just don't say Frisco..." From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <16798128.1123968026471.JavaMail.root@vms076.mailsrvcs.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:50:44 +0000 (UTC) > <<"Times i have flown to cali i was " > > > Just don't say Frisco, Or I'll have to have you killed. > Bill>> > > not nearly as nice as his big brother is he?.....where's da luv?.....:) > > http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci > as a long time frisco-ite what bill says is kinda oldtime here... it was long gone Herb Caen long time sf newspaper columnist who in the 50s came up w/ "dont call it frisco" and berated all who dared to call it that... i think its ok now... my favorite is when Japanese noise/punk band comes to town w/ their broken english and shout when they come on stage: "HEY SANFRISCO-WEE AHHH ROCKK YOUU!!" break a leg michael :-) peace out stan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 13 23:12:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A74863BF51; Sat, 13 Aug 2005 23:12:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lHpA3EPGb5u9ttQNJp4KJBHtPUR1XYTmCUNaSkX0tAo+J/qrgT3mZIqsbugxnbZX/c/7YxP0sivnr2nu9mBv0RR/WA7Jf/Ww8Nt6GS9SoOCX/Jd3gjIPQml219PPCptyFWw41t4yWYFpapHScGIRYR6vvoyJCHlyK7ekswnq18c= ; Message-ID: <20050813231202.94950.qmail@web25203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 01:12:02 +0200 (CEST) From: obadia Subject: looping & triggering (Sooperlooper & Musolomo) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005201c5a050$02b6a800$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 23:12:05 +0000 (UTC) Hello, I'm testing a set-up with both Sooperlooper and Musolomo. It seems to work so far. I use SooperLooper for looping and layering and Musolomo to sample the fresh loops on the fly and bind them straight away to a midikeyboard. It would give me the possibility to break previous material, and get many loops, fragments of loops or just isolated notes to trigger. I can imagine a performance evolving from building a layer syntax to deconstructing/rebuilding by triggering, tweaking and combinating. I use Live and Jack OSX to connect everything. Just curious if anyone has tried something similar? Stéphane http://www.clumsybeats.org ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 14 01:32:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03A643BF5B; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 01:32:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=PZVPnNbxNEEF6IGuMt6ljOIIlYIwQOEfetilo1GG2pQOKwQBnVXqd70DVxPEHtaO; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200580141405670@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: "Just don't say Frisco..." Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 21:40:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94031210e9ef65d6f438c59f9c89271c4e6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.144.182 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 01:32:39 +0000 (UTC) Geez, I've lived in Boston for 22 years and I really don't care if anyone calls in Beantown... but then again, I'm from Skaneateles, so that may explain my lack of fervor. ~Tim Mungenast > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 8/13/2005 6:50:44 PM > Subject: "Just don't say Frisco..." > > > <<"Times i have flown to cali i was " > > > > > > Just don't say Frisco, Or I'll have to have you killed. > > Bill>> > > > > not nearly as nice as his big brother is he?.....where's da luv?.....:) > > > > http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci > > > > > > as a long time frisco-ite what bill says is kinda oldtime here... > it was long gone Herb Caen long time sf newspaper columnist who in the 50s > came up w/ "dont call it frisco" and berated all who dared to call it > that... > i think its ok now... > my favorite is when Japanese noise/punk band comes to town w/ > their broken english and shout when they come on stage: > "HEY SANFRISCO-WEE AHHH ROCKK YOUU!!" > break a leg michael :-) > peace out > stan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 14 02:27:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDFF33BF66; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 02:27:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 21:27:01 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: "Just don't say Frisco..." In-reply-to: <410-2200580141405670@earthlink.net> To: mungenast@earthlink.net Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42FEABF5.9090106@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <410-2200580141405670@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: <9B3NED.A.RCC.Mwq_CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 02:27:24 +0000 (UTC) Timothy Mungenast wrote: > Geez, I've lived in Boston for 22 years and I really don't care if anyone > calls in Beantown... but then again, I'm from Skaneateles, so that may > explain my lack of fervor. I'm from Des Moines. But if I hear anyone say "Moines" I will show up at your doorstep with a jello mold, a quart of mayonnaise, shrink tubing and a hair dryer. Be warned. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 14 03:00:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 853D03BF56; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 03:00:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=uaKmSx+7JA0nXo+/LfjwchcNCLeum+5JRph47e4JJh+ecldxsEu5fDbwraKdA7d1ewcqcLmeU3VeTLCigakLd/3HqIbu5ajBdjFbKNAbmWlAVPqzmugpm7c9y52281vFvyZ5rGbVpSDOUzHfL1bEBrjJATPwHyoKJVRkMrNgl64= Message-ID: <2fb9e47305081320006741f8e3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 23:00:41 -0400 From: Clint Allen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Just don't say Frisco..." In-Reply-To: <42FEABF5.9090106@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2365_17011048.1123988441030" References: <410-2200580141405670@earthlink.net> <42FEABF5.9090106@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 03:00:42 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_2365_17011048.1123988441030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I've the same compasion for when people both in or out of town pronounce=20 Louisville as "Luavul".=20 I too show up at the doorstep, only with a bonesaw and a bag of lye. I also= =20 play some insane loop full of boops and beeps.=20 Clint Allen LoooEEEVille! On 8/13/05, Jeff Larson wrote: >=20 > Timothy Mungenast wrote: > > Geez, I've lived in Boston for 22 years and I really don't care if=20 > anyone > > calls in Beantown... but then again, I'm from Skaneateles, so that may > > explain my lack of fervor. >=20 > I'm from Des Moines. But if I hear anyone say "Moines" I will > show up at your doorstep with a jello mold, a quart of mayonnaise, > shrink tubing and a hair dryer. Be warned. >=20 >=20 > ------=_Part_2365_17011048.1123988441030 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I've the same compasion for when people both in or out of town pronounce Lo= uisville as "Luavul".

I too show up at the doorstep, only with a bonesaw and a bag of lye. I also= play some insane loop
full of boops and beeps.

Clint Allen
LoooEEEVille!

On 8/13/05, Jeff Larson <Jeffrey.Larson@sun.com> wrote:
Timothy Mungenast wrote:
> Geez, I've lived in Boston for 22 years an= d I really don't care if anyone
> calls in Beantown... but then again= , I'm from Skaneateles, so that may
> explain my lack of fervor.

I'm from Des Moines.  But if I hear anyone say "Moines&q= uot;  I will
show up at your doorstep with a jello mold, a qua= rt of mayonnaise,
shrink tubing and a hair dryer.  Be warned.<= br>


------=_Part_2365_17011048.1123988441030-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 14 03:05:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A2723BF56; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 03:05:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <2fb9e47305081320006741f8e3@mail.gmail.com> References: <410-2200580141405670@earthlink.net> <42FEABF5.9090106@sun.com> <2fb9e47305081320006741f8e3@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: "Just don't say Frisco..." Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:02:53 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 03:05:30 +0000 (UTC) On Aug 13, 2005, at 10:00 PM, Clint Allen wrote: > I've the same compasion for when people both in or out of town > pronounce Louisville as "Luavul". Um...just one problem. It *is* Lou-a-vul. Just please don't say "Indy". Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 14 03:50:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8463A3BF4F; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 03:50:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:50:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: klobuchar's folly To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <2979675.1123991422617.JavaMail.root@vms064.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 03:50:27 +0000 (UTC) mr. walker (the nice one) said something to the effect that zurich may not be ready for klobuchar.....well.....i have never sampled the screams of a mushroom being cut as some of us have on this list and you know who you are!.....:).....i wrote a nice long post on my zurich setup and hit some button and sent it into oblivion so it never went out.....perhaps it is meant to be my dirty little secret.....my Q2 will not make this trip so would anyone be willing to lend me some verb for the overall "sweetness" of my folkrockjazzpunkambient sound?.....i'm getting excited, old and new friends.....wheeeeeeee!.....mic p.s. stano, you will be missed! http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 14 09:40:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE6903BF47; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 09:40:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 02:40:57 -0800 Subject: Re: klobuchar's folly From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2979675.1123991422617.JavaMail.root@vms064.mailsrvcs.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 09:40:34 +0000 (UTC) > mr. walker (the nice one) said something to the effect that zurich may not be > ready for klobuchar.....well.....i have never sampled the screams of a > mushroom being cut as some of us have on this list and you know who you > are!.....:).....i wrote a nice long post on my zurich setup and hit some > button and sent it into oblivion so it never went out.....perhaps it is meant > to be my dirty little secret.....my Q2 will not make this trip so would anyone > be willing to lend me some verb for the overall "sweetness" of my > folkrockjazzpunkambient sound?.....i'm getting excited, old and new > friends.....wheeeeeeee!.....mic > p.s. stano, you will be missed! > > http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci well said... hey michael-tryin deciper yer missive here... if ya need a verb i can send ya my EH HolyGrail pedal 2 use...if thats what yer askin... :-) stannee in san franciskee From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 14 10:20:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A47A3BF47; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:20:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <20050813231202.94950.qmail@web25203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20050813231202.94950.qmail@web25203.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8BEDDA85-655B-41B9-BA77-7899390A5898@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: looping & triggering (Sooperlooper & Musolomo) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 12:19:58 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:20:03 +0000 (UTC) On Aug 14, 2005, at 1:12, obadia wrote: > Hello, > I'm testing a set-up with both Sooperlooper and > Musolomo. It seems to work so far. > I use SooperLooper for looping and layering and > Musolomo to sample the fresh loops on the fly and bind > them straight away to a midikeyboard. It would give me > the possibility to break previous material, and get > many loops, fragments of loops or just isolated notes > to trigger. I can imagine a performance evolving from > building a layer syntax to deconstructing/rebuilding > by triggering, tweaking and combinating. > I use Live and Jack OSX to connect everything. > Just curious if anyone has tried something similar? Yes. SooperLooper is very good, but it did not work for me because of the lacking latency compensation. I want to play instruments with an exact musical timing, as the source material for looping. A couple of milliseconds getting lost here and there just ruins the feel. For more ambient musical styles SooperLooper is great though and also if you are not using analog live audio input, i.e. working with software instruments and plug-ins only. Musolomo was very fun too, but I found it hard to use with my hands occupied by playing instruments. I tried to use an FCB1010 foot controller as well as triggering MIDI clips in Live to send the controller data to Musolomo. Got it partly working the way I wanted but gave up because it quickly became too un-intuitive for improvising. It seems to be more designed with the recording/remixing musician in mind. It felt more like a tool than like an instrument to me. I tend to like the Augustus Loop better because it lets you "play" the pitch of the loop by midi notes (even when overdubbing live audio input), thus implying chord changes - a part of the musical language that many loopers sacrifice. Not much cutting and slicing possibilities (yet...) (the way you can chop up stuff into 128th notes on an EDP is unbeatable!) A very nice looper in Ableton Live is the built in Ping-Pong delay. In Live 5 the Ping-Pong delay has recieved a little "F" symbol for "Freeze". Some interesting audio degeneration happens if you freeze a loop and then change the loop length. The ping-pong delay also has a built in equalizer, which means that you can set up MIDI clips that perform all kinds of rhythmic EQ stuttering to the loops. Such EQ patterns can be of a different length that the audio loop and you can apply all kind of random scripting to have playback automatically jump between different EQ pattern sequences (ie MIDI clips routed to the ping-pong delay's EQ as the target). You can also route the audio from the ping-pong delay to an audio track and record it as an audio clip for serious surgery. But that's beyond my horizon since it demands the hands-on-mouse-watching-the-screen concept. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 14 11:14:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BB813BF51; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:14:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: "Just don't say (enter your favourite place here)" Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:15:46 +0200 Message-ID: <000501c5a0c1$86c16240$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C5A0D2.4A4A3240" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <2fb9e47305081320006741f8e3@mail.gmail.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:14:36 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C5A0D2.4A4A3240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While were at it, this one goes to all of you Americans (but to other people as well): Don't ever think about calling it "Oktoberfest". Otherwise all the Native Bavarians will show up at your place after visiting the event and puke on your front porch. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C5A0D2.4A4A3240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nachricht
While were at it, this one goes to all of you = Americans=20 (but to other people as well):
 
Don't ever think about calling it = "Oktoberfest".=20 Otherwise all the Native Bavarians will show up at your = place=20 after visiting the event and puke on your front=20 porch. 


------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C5A0D2.4A4A3240-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 14 13:25:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DAFD3BF51; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:25:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 08:25:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: klobuchar's folly To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <23007720.1124025942775.JavaMail.root@vms069.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:25:47 +0000 (UTC) if ya need a verb i can send ya my EH HolyGrail pedal 2 use...if thats what yer askin... :-) stannee in san franciskee thanks much stan but i'm sure someone over the pond will step up and help out an old guy.....mic http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 14 19:19:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0F8F3BF28; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 19:19:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopersdelight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=I3VTclFbHXiubar0zcZz2Mbz+1/rLeuYOCRZjtcq4XiEpa8dTU21wnOoF/rdiLmkx+lePrmRtsrqHIqb4Sj3k7MQheCnynQIyRM1WZsa/1NdYiHxIt5OzWsCUW0z7n1IbrXoh6pi4XBFMq8TjSp50BYmlYKczQdkJGLcFmgncTY= ; Message-ID: <20050814191900.32935.qmail@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 12:19:00 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: fact or fiction To: Loopers-Delight@loopersdelight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-584217587-1124047140=:29120" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <3oKTm.A.2jE.mk5_CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 19:19:02 +0000 (UTC) --0-584217587-1124047140=:29120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit (insert greeting here) is it true that mendelson discovered bachs music in a leipzig butcher/shop because the butcher had ran out of wraping paper and used some reams from his attic that turned out to be bachs lost compositions? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-584217587-1124047140=:29120 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-584217587-1124047140=:29120-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 14 19:20:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 405133BF3C; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 19:20:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.30) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 14 Aug 2005 19:19:56 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:19:55 -0500 Subject: Call it "Frisco" if I damn well wanna X-Originating-Ip: 24.23.183.157 X-Originating-Server: ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050814191956.05DF786B11@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5p_1JB.A.gpE.fl5_CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 19:20:00 +0000 (UTC) As someone not born in SF, but who lived there for years, I can't even tell= you the hours of pleasure I've derived from=20 calling it "Frisco" and then trying to get the offended parties to explain = why they are offended. Top-notch=20 entertainment. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint Allen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Just don't say Frisco..." Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 23:00:41 -0400 >=20 > I've the same compasion for when people both in or out of town pronounce > Louisville as "Luavul". >=20 > I too show up at the doorstep, only with a bonesaw and a bag of lye. I al= so > play some insane loop > full of boops and beeps. >=20 > Clint Allen > LoooEEEVille! >=20 > On 8/13/05, Jeff Larson wrote: > > > > Timothy Mungenast wrote: > > > Geez, I've lived in Boston for 22 years and I really don't care if an= yone > > > calls in Beantown... but then again, I'm from Skaneateles, so that may > > > explain my lack of fervor. > > > > I'm from Des Moines. But if I hear anyone say "Moines" I will > > show up at your doorstep with a jello mold, a quart of mayonnaise, > > shrink tubing and a hair dryer. Be warned. > > > > > > --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 14 19:24:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F1933BF47; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 19:24:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Lvi5zg/RTHoYOs7sg4KXd4RbbfiOJ7DEKmU6rqGUj6Qri7BUytfHLl+swrY9O3ARBIdf5VDerq0YrrVxwczGUV3noUNOVEhDyjTwQVsXxt66bHd/TiRwx3hrpgmGnAQUVHlrWYGhROm2C3rxmAPZxASeojSBLBF5sqCEd6qB3P4= ; Message-ID: <20050814192406.1502.qmail@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 12:24:06 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Call it "Frisco" if I damn well wanna To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050814191956.05DF786B11@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-945503003-1124047446=:1433" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 19:24:08 +0000 (UTC) --0-945503003-1124047446=:1433 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ever been to "licking"county oral sex is legal there....i always obey the law there. joe rut wrote:As someone not born in SF, but who lived there for years, I can't even tell you the hours of pleasure I've derived from calling it "Frisco" and then trying to get the offended parties to explain why they are offended. Top-notch entertainment. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint Allen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Just don't say Frisco..." Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 23:00:41 -0400 > > I've the same compasion for when people both in or out of town pronounce > Louisville as "Luavul". > > I too show up at the doorstep, only with a bonesaw and a bag of lye. I also > play some insane loop > full of boops and beeps. > > Clint Allen > LoooEEEVille! > > On 8/13/05, Jeff Larson wrote: > > > > Timothy Mungenast wrote: > > > Geez, I've lived in Boston for 22 years and I really don't care if anyone > > > calls in Beantown... but then again, I'm from Skaneateles, so that may > > > explain my lack of fervor. > > > > I'm from Des Moines. But if I hear anyone say "Moines" I will > > show up at your doorstep with a jello mold, a quart of mayonnaise, > > shrink tubing and a hair dryer. Be warned. > > > > > > -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-945503003-1124047446=:1433 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

ever been to "licking"county oral sex is legal there....i always obey the law there.

joe rut <joerut@lycos.com> wrote:
As someone not born in SF, but who lived there for years, I can't even tell you the hours of pleasure I've derived from
calling it "Frisco" and then trying to get the offended parties to explain why they are offended. Top-notch
entertainment.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Clint Allen"
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: "Just don't say Frisco..."
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 23:00:41 -0400

>
> I've the same compasion for when people both in or out of town pronounce
> Louisville as "Luavul".
>
> I too show up at the doorstep, only with a bonesaw and a bag of lye. I also
> play some insane loop
> full of boops and beeps.
>
> Clint Allen
> LoooEEEVille!
>
> On 8/13/05, Jeff Larson wrote:
> >
> > Timothy Mungenast wrote:
> > > Geez, I've lived in Boston for 22 years and I really don't care if anyone
> > > calls in Beantown... but then again, I'm from Skaneateles, so that may
> > > explain my lack of fervor.
> >
> > I'm from Des Moines. But if I hear anyone say "Moines" I will
> > show up at your doorstep with a jello mold, a quart of mayonnaise,
> > shrink tubing and a hair dryer. Be warned.
> >
> >
> >


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Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-945503003-1124047446=:1433-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 14 20:03:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 207293BF3C; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 20:03:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 15:07:04 -0500 (CDT) From: smaug@servidor.unam.mx X-X-Sender: smaug@pine.servidores.unam.mx To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopersdelight.com Subject: Re: fact or fiction In-Reply-To: <20050814191900.32935.qmail@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20050814191900.32935.qmail@web32502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 20:03:16 +0000 (UTC) I've heard the same urban legend for Jacco Pastorius. Andy On Sun, 14 Aug 2005, daniel stevenson wrote: > (insert greeting here) is it true that mendelson discovered bachs music in a leipzig butcher/shop because the butcher had ran out of wraping paper and used some reams from his attic that turned out to be bachs lost compositions? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 14 20:06:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9909D3BF3D; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 20:06:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003401c5a10b$9a543810$0201a8c0@mini> Reply-To: "Claude Voit" From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <20050814192406.1502.qmail@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Call it "Frisco" if I damn well wanna Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 22:06:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 20:06:10 +0000 (UTC) Ok one for the french speaking as all the europeans dont understand anything at all ....:=) Each time I say I live in the small town of Aubonne (switzerland) there is always some smaart guy to add the name of two other small villages nearby : Gimel Gland WAFF-WAFF-WAFF Aubonne, Gimel, Gland ...... sorry its late ë¿ ë Ill tell you in Zurich... Claude h ----- Original Message ----- From: "daniel stevenson" To: Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 9:24 PM Subject: Re: Call it "Frisco" if I damn well wanna ever been to "licking"county oral sex is legal there....i always obey the law there. joe rut wrote:As someone not born in SF, but who lived there for years, I can't even tell you the hours of pleasure I've derived from calling it "Frisco" and then trying to get the offended parties to explain why they are offended. Top-notch entertainment. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clint Allen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Just don't say Frisco..." Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 23:00:41 -0400 > > I've the same compasion for when people both in or out of town pronounce > Louisville as "Luavul". > > I too show up at the doorstep, only with a bonesaw and a bag of lye. I > also > play some insane loop > full of boops and beeps. > > Clint Allen > LoooEEEVille! > > On 8/13/05, Jeff Larson wrote: > > > > Timothy Mungenast wrote: > > > Geez, I've lived in Boston for 22 years and I really don't care if > > > anyone > > > calls in Beantown... but then again, I'm from Skaneateles, so that may > > > explain my lack of fervor. > > > > I'm from Des Moines. But if I hear anyone say "Moines" I will > > show up at your doorstep with a jello mold, a quart of mayonnaise, > > shrink tubing and a hair dryer. Be warned. > > > > > > -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 14 20:13:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18DFF3BF3D; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 20:13:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050814130310.0508e950@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:15:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: Call it "Frisco" if I damn well wanna In-Reply-To: <20050814191956.05DF786B11@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20050814191956.05DF786B11@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 20:13:34 +0000 (UTC) I always thought of "Frisco" as a convenient way to differentiate the tourists. Similar to people wearing shorts in summer. Or people who use the word "electronica". It's not offensive, it just gives locals a reason to look down our noses in disdain at the poor wretch from the hinterlands. :-) Real old timers don't even call it San Francisco. It is simply "The City". (capitalized, of course.) kim At 12:19 PM 8/14/2005, joe rut wrote: >As someone not born in SF, but who lived there for years, I can't even >tell you the ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 14 20:23:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC2353BF41; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 20:23:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Call it "Frisco" if I damn well wanna Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 22:25:11 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c5a10e$464f8dc0$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050814130310.0508e950@loopers-delight.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 20:23:59 +0000 (UTC) What would you expect of someone who uses the word "electronica"? That he doesn't understand shit about the musical genres usually addressed by that term (like Robert Fripp)? -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Kim Flint [mailto:kflint@loopers-delight.com]=20 Gesendet: Sonntag, 14. August 2005 22:16 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Call it "Frisco" if I damn well wanna I always thought of "Frisco" as a convenient way to differentiate the=20 tourists. Similar to people wearing shorts in summer. Or people who use the=20 word "electronica". It's not offensive, it just gives locals a reason to look down our noses in=20 disdain at the poor wretch from the hinterlands. :-) Real old timers don't even call it San Francisco. It is simply "The City".=20 (capitalized, of course.) kim At 12:19 PM 8/14/2005, joe rut wrote: >As someone not born in SF, but who lived there for years, I can't even >tell you the ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 14 20:30:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 340083BF41; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 20:30:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 15:30:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: Call it "betty" if I damn well wanna To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <19356881.1124051431443.JavaMail.root@vms061.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 20:30:32 +0000 (UTC) I always thought of "Frisco" as a convenient way to differentiate the tourists. Similar to people wearing shorts in summer. Or people who use the word "electronica". spreckin herr kim GOOD LORD!.....i'll be sitting, playing my electronica wearing shorts, no wonder the calikindern won't have me back!.....thank goodness the euroloopkindern don't know about me yet!.....i find it interesting that the word FRISCO was first used in this thread by YOUNG BILL WALKER a native of that place out west.....mic from da BURG http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 14 21:04:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2FB13BF35; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 21:04:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,106,1122868800"; d="scan'208"; a="70210435:sNHT887976358" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emilet@pop.rcn.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 16:50:12 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance at EyeWash, New York City 8.17.05 Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <_oRes.A.MjH.fH7_CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 21:04:31 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I'll be performing video improvisations in NY on Wednesday night as part of the very fine Eyewash series. I'll be working with Dean Stiglitz (flute and electronics) and Bob "the Dinosaur King" (Electronic percussion). The last show I did at Eyewash went very well (see email announcing DVD release to follow), so come out to this one if you can. I'll be trying something new at this gig -- using a MIDI percussion controller to control my video mixers. Some friends from Boston will also be performing. More details below. Hope some of you can make it At 11:15 AM -0400 8/11/05, EyeWash wrote: >East Coast VJs unite! EyeWash next week will double your visual pleasure, >double your video fun... > >EyeWash *Boston2NewYork* >Wednesday, August 17th >Gallery at the Gershwin Hotel >7 East 27th (5th and Madison) >9pm to 1am *free* >http://www.forwardmotiontheater.org > >Room 1: VJ Action >phi [aka. Jen Rosselli] (Boston) http://www.jenrosselli.com >Holly Daggers (NYC) http://www.wetcircuit.com >VJ Moto (NYC) http://www.motomichi.com >VJ Jeff Mission (Boston) http://www.beatfix.com > >Music by DJ Duane Reade and DJ ActivPhaze > > >Room 2: the A/V Sessions >Adam Kendall (NYC) http://www.hellbender.org > with Vortex http://home.earthlink.net/%7Etakeishi/ >Walter Wright (Boston) http://www.911gallery.org/videoJAM/index.htm > with DJ Vartan and dancers Joe Burgio & Heather McQuistion >Occular Noise Machine (NJ) http://www.lividinstruments.com > with the new and improved "Tactic 2" >Emile "Dr. T" Tobenfeld (Boston) http://www.foryourhead.com > with deknow and Bob "the Dinosaur King" > > >The Eye Wash series is a relaxed and social atmosphere where you can >enjoy live-mixed video, meet VJs and video artists, and see the latest in >live video performance and collaborations in mixed media. > >EyeWash is presented by Forward Motion Theater, Inc. a 501(c)3 non-profit >organization since 2001, and is made possible with public funds from the New >York State Council on the Arts, a State agency. -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 14 21:04:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34E373BF54; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 21:04:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,106,1122868800"; d="scan'208"; a="70210576:sNHT1264456156" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emilet@pop.rcn.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 17:01:18 -0400 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: New DVD and audio CD 's from Doctor T Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 21:04:34 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I'm pleased to offer the following 'private label' items , Eyewash May 11, 2005. DVD A live recording(45 minutes) of a show from the Eyewash series, with Dean Stiglitz (a.k.a Deknow) flute and synths, and Claire Barrett (Cilla_Vee Movement Project), Movement sculpture. This a good recording of a show that I am very happy with. Data from Recent Experiments (Audio CD 70+ minutes). Live in the studio improvisations mostly recorded in 2001 and 2002 using the Nord modular synth. Also features Neil Leonard on sax on an older track that I remixed. Eyewash DVD $15 postpaid (US) $20 (rest of the world) Data from Recent Experiments CD $10 postpaid US, $15 rest of the workd. Both items together $20 (US) $25 (rest of the world) Payment by Paypal, or send a check to me at 164 Old Conn. Path, Framingham, MA 01701 -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 14 21:11:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82A203BF41; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 21:11:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?The_PiNG_presents_Zo=EB_Keating_&_mara's_torment?= Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 17:17:46 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000601c5a115$9e13cc90$0a02a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 21:11:59 +0000 (UTC) Hi Boys and Girls. You are all invited to THE AMBiENT PiNG's Sixth Birthday Party this Tuesday. You don't have to bring a present cause the PiNG will be happy just to see you there! There will be musical treats for everyone as mara's torment serves their finest dark electronic melancholia and stunning cellist Zo=EB Keating from Rasputina unleashes her live looping cello compositions. Both sets will feature custom visual presentations too. Thanks to everyone who comes out regularly to support the PiNG! Let's celebrate! THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday August 16th - THE AMBiENT PiNG's 6th Anniversary Special featuring Zo=EB Keating & mara's torment rik and sovaak the sock monkey return to the AMBiENT PiNG to celebrate both the 6th birthday of Toronto's grooviest weekly live ambient, = chillout,=20 soundscape and experimental music performance event AND the release of = the=20 new double CD set by mara's torment, "cause and effect". Never before = has=20 the synthesis of man and sock monkey sounded so good... http://www.marastorment.com Zo=EB Keating is a cellist & composer based in San Francisco. She = creates multi-layered cello compositions which she performs live: recording each part as it is played & controlling the composition in real time via foot pedals linked to an array of electronic devices. Born in Canada, Zo=EB = began her cello studies in a small school in England and while at Sarah = Lawrence College, she started to build a career in non-classical cello. Since = 2002, Zo=EB has been a member of Melora Creager's cello-rock ensemble = Rasputina. With Rasputina, she has toured the US and Canada at least eight times, opened for acts like Belle & Sebastian and The Legendary Pink Dots, and recorded two albums. Zo=EB's currently has a solo EP "One Cello x 16" = and her new album "Natoma" will be released this month. =20 http://www.zoekeating.com Between Sets CD - "PiNG AMBiENCE 2" by VARiOUS ARTiSTS What better way to celebrate another year of creative sonic artistry than featuring this 2nd collection of music from various PiNG = performers? http://cdbaby.com/cd/ambientping/from/trans . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday August 23rd - BLEEP and Beneath These Idle Tides www.bleeptunes.com http://www.downrecords.com/idletides/epk.html . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ||: IN THE LOOP :|| by Luna Tek According to the six o'clock news on Tuesday, August 9, Toronto has developed a climate of two extremes. After listening to repeated admonishments about unnecessary uses of electricity, I unplugged the television. Convinced I did not need to witness another anchor state the drippingly obvious, I began to wonder if any events - particularly music events - across the city might be cancelled out of concern for excessive power consumption. Electronic music: necessity or = extravagance? The answer remained to be discovered later that evening as the PiNG presented an evening of solo guitar works. Nilan Perera started things off with a series of pieces for prepared guitar. Using distorted vocal samples, radiophonics, loops & treatments, Nilan's performance romped through an array of sonic adventures, including a passage with an Eastern tinge and another with a more Western sensibility. Wrapping up with a delicate piece that featured cricket-bird-raccoon-like sounds, Nilan kept the audience guessing with his one-of-a-kind guitar-techniques. CJ Boyd (from Nashville, Tennessee) arrived in Toronto on the tail end of his latest tour. After a brush with the border authorities, CJ made it to the PiNG in fine form. Presenting a lushly rhythmic set, CJ left no doubt in my mind about the status of his music: if beauty is = integral, CJ's looping bass guitar stylings are indeed a necessary experience. At the end of the night, Nilan and CJ teamed up for a gorgeous finale, wowing the audience with an intense, haunting improvisation. More information available at: http://www.cjboyd.com and http://www.sarahpeebles.net/cinn_bio_perera.htm Luna Tek - luna@theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Bislama" by Alpha Wave Movement Fans of the work of Alpha Wave Movement will no doubt be very pleased to hear about the re-issue of their 2000 release, "Bislama", a collaborative effort with Jim Cole which has been out of print for some time. A blending of sequenced synth patterns, ambient waves, throat singing, eastern percussion & more, "Bislama" is a significant musical achievement, a mixture of styles and sounds that is both inspired and inspiring. From the tidal tones of the opening track, through the shimmering cascades that play throughout "Offering", to the delicate repeated melodies of closing track "Samui", it's a brilliant disc ripe for discovery and exploration. Longtime supporters of AWM and Jim Cole who were lucky enough to pick up the disc in it's original format will be interested to note the addition of a sixteen minute improvisational collaboration between the pair recorded in 2002. The new track "Bali Twilight" is a beautiful piece filled with drifting vocals and subtle mysticism, an excellent addition to an already wonderful release. If you're looking for something new to listen to, or if you're interested in rediscovering a classic release, I would suggest that the 2005 re-issue of "Bislama" is the disc for you. Highly recommended. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com =3D ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 14 21:58:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 079A23BF50; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 21:58:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00d201c5a11b$46384950$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: AW: "Just don't say (enter your favourite place here)" Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:58:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 21:58:16 +0000 (UTC) Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: "While were at it, this one goes to all of you Americans (but to other people as well):" "Don't ever think about calling it "Oktoberfest". Otherwise all the Native Bavarians will show up at your place after visiting the event and puke on your front porch." Ahhhh, Rainer, the Native Bavarians will do that to you no matter what we Americans say! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 14 23:30:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F1E53BF21; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 23:30:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: photos of July, 15th 2005 presentation Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 01:30:03 +0200 Message-ID: <004801c5a128$1c0ec160$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 23:30:52 +0000 (UTC) The photos used for the short presentation on July, 15th have been = uploaded by the hosts of the event: http://www.flausen.ch/FLAUSEN/0501/ I'll point these out: Matthias Grob and Keith McMillen shaking hands for = the signed EDP licensing contract, and Sunao Inami showing how much dough = one can make playing live loops on a lucky day ;) Bernhard http://nosuch.biz http://loopfestival.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 15 01:05:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 553A93BF50; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 01:05:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 20:05:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: photos of July, 15th 2005 presentation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <10341370.1124067902586.JavaMail.root@vms074.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-b-smB.A.3OG.Dp-_CB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 01:05:07 +0000 (UTC) http://www.flausen.ch/FLAUSEN/0501/ b.....i'm sorry, what was this presentation, i forget?.....was that a "dirty hand" poster behind suano flashin the big bucks?.....thanks for the pix!.....mic http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 15 01:20:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7654B3BF3C; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 01:20:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 20:20:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: photos of July, 15th 2005 presentation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <23003997.1124068822678.JavaMail.root@vms074.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 01:20:27 +0000 (UTC) was that a "dirty hand" poster behind suano flashin the big bucks? hand hard what's the dif?.....what powers of observation i have!.....no wonder i forgot what the presentation was about.....yikes.....mic http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 15 01:31:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A17283BF41; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 01:31:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: "Just don't say (enter your favourite place here)" Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 18:31:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C5A0FE.566A46B0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <000501c5a0c1$86c16240$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 01:31:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C5A0FE.566A46B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NachrichtHa Ha ha ha -----Original Message----- From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de] Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 4:16 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: AW: "Just don't say (enter your favourite place here)" While were at it, this one goes to all of you Americans (but to other people as well): Don't ever think about calling it "Oktoberfest". Otherwise all the Native Bavarians will show up at your place after visiting the event and puke on your front porch. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C5A0FE.566A46B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nachricht
Ha Ha=20 ha ha
-----Original Message-----
From: Rainer Thelonius = Balthasar=20 Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de]
Sent: Sunday, August 14, = 2005=20 4:16 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 AW: "Just don't say (enter your favourite place = here)"

While were at it, this one goes to all of = you=20 Americans (but to other people as = well):
 
Don't ever think about calling it = "Oktoberfest".=20 Otherwise all the Native Bavarians will show up at your = place=20 after visiting the event and puke on your front=20 = porch. 


------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C5A0FE.566A46B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 15 05:02:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF1E03BF0B; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 05:02:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: "Just don't say (enter your favourite place here)" Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 22:02:57 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C5A11B.EDAE76F0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000501c5a0c1$86c16240$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 05:02:56 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C5A11B.EDAE76F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NachrichtHey Rainer, I'm not 100% sure, but I think Michael Klobacher and I will be spending a few days in Munich so perhaps we could hook up. I need your contact info Thanks Bill -----Original Message----- From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de] Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2005 4:16 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: AW: "Just don't say (enter your favourite place here)" While were at it, this one goes to all of you Americans (but to other people as well): Don't ever think about calling it "Oktoberfest". Otherwise all the Native Bavarians will show up at your place after visiting the event and puke on your front porch. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C5A11B.EDAE76F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nachricht
Hey=20 Rainer, I'm not 100% sure, but I think Michael Klobacher and I will be = spending=20 a few days in Munich so perhaps we could hook up.
I need=20 your contact info
Thanks
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Rainer Thelonius = Balthasar=20 Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de]
Sent: Sunday, August 14, = 2005=20 4:16 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 AW: "Just don't say (enter your favourite place = here)"

While were at it, this one goes to all of = you=20 Americans (but to other people as = well):
 
Don't ever think about calling it = "Oktoberfest".=20 Otherwise all the Native Bavarians will show up at your = place=20 after visiting the event and puke on your front=20 = porch. 


------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C5A11B.EDAE76F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 15 07:28:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63BFF3BEFE; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 07:28:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Suit & Tie Guy Subject: RF: the end of an era Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 02:28:31 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 07:28:33 +0000 (UTC) "The Solar Voyager continues its preparations for inter-planetary travel, while its operator aspires to the stars. The Echoplexes are superb looping beasts, ideal for guitars & useful for other things, with wonderful tricks & delights. But they don't deliver the sound quality of the Eventide 8000, which is a specific need for me on an orchestral Soundscape. So, with this version of the SV, the 8000 is most of it & the Echoplexes additions, rather than foundational." pic here: http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/diary/photos/ theplumberreturns.jpg no more 2290s :( but ... i'd say he can layer 19 loops now. things _may_ get interesting. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 15 08:20:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEAFC3BEFF; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:20:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=kwBE0FYNDltGS6IvAYrwo3x7Xy2QP/+JdDGBTBgFyawlVGyxnHkauliJ85fpdT7Fb6udugP5yP5nozt5Ri6BX7uGnlUlFoieK+ZlV/v5jlrM8IFE67aIDBLvvhY7MUi1aVx1UAjrhlfFfVXxRkDevRc6snMoqAqqnqryqYkzeIk= ; Message-ID: <20050815082041.77416.qmail@web35213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 01:20:41 -0700 (PDT) From: John Leo Subject: Using FCB1010 of other MIDI foot controller + pc + software as JamStation (LoopStation) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:20:42 +0000 (UTC) Using FCB1010 of other MIDI foot controller + pc + software as JamStation (LoopStation) There is 2 devices ive see - Boss RC-20xl Phrase Recorder and Digitech JamStation. Behringer pedal can provide Total control over the PC ( if software assignable to midi control ) What u can say about this idea - may be its work - hey people who use it in this way? Hmmmmm... Very hard to imagine how to emulate some of auto funcions of harware devices ( as LoopStations). Boss provides auto-quantanise functions and phrase select and shift. Can sequencer START play if i press pedal 1. pedal 2 - STOP. pedal 3 - Next Phrase. How can i store many phrases in sequencer and mark them by numbers? I know MARK function in SAMPLITUTE ( magix.de ) - so i can put many phrases in one sequencer track, then assigne a mark to start of each loop/ so then i need to assigne to pedal function PLAY and REWIND (?) IMPORTANT!!!' I want to use it LIVE!!! So i play on my guirar - i predd pedal 1 - then sequencer start the recordind. Then i end my phrase i press the button again - Rec off. Then i play next part of song - and press pedal 2 - Sequencer starts to play recorder part !!!!!! And i play solo over my riff ! Than i press pedal 3 - and my solo record too! Than i want to have ability to play rythm+ solo ( they call it OVERDUB function) and play over this new phrase some improvisation! Thats i want/ See picture http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/fcb1010/vwp?.dir=/&.src=gr&.dnm= sampl.jpg&.view=t&.done=http% 3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/fcb1010/lst%3f%26.dir=/%26.src=gr% 26.view=t __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 15 10:35:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 696DF3BEFB; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:35:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 814bde57424dd09b6cccb7edccb6b7ff Received-SPF: none (licasi.terra.com.br: 200.176.10.3 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of grob.org) client-ip=200.176.10.3; envelope-from=matthias@grob.org; helo=[80.242.202.242]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003a01c5a02f$69dbb280$6401a8c0@BESPC1> References: <003a01c5a02f$69dbb280$6401a8c0@BESPC1> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:22:01 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP Brother Sync Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:35:06 +0000 (UTC) Barry, >Hi Kim and all other EDP users - Would you mind answering a brother >sync question for me? I have a newer EDP Pro Plus and my partner >has an EDP Pro with max RAM and Loop IV. I am having trouble >getting brother sync to work at all. I have a TRS stereo cable (new >cable) connecting them b-sync to b-sync. And both are set to >Sync=Out. I do NOT have a MIDI cable running between them. all correct > I follow the instructions in the manual to the letter but never >see the sync LED flash in the second unit (no matter which initiates >the master loop) and never see the ooo in the display indicating >that the slave unit is waiting for a sync pulse.  seems you are reading the Loop 3 manual you should see the overdub LED become brown at the first sync and then the time of the master on the slaves display after the second sync pulse. if this does not happen with the stereo cable and Sync=Out, I guess you have a HW problem :-( >Any idea why this might be happening? We are desperately anxious to >get this working as it is one of the main reason my partner traded >up to an Echoplex. Any ideas or suggestions? > >Finally, assuming I am able to resolve the first issue, can anyone >give me more insight into how brother sync handles multiple loops? >For example, if I have moreloops=2 on the master, but only 1 on the >slave, will they still sync up and what happens when the master >switches to loop 2? Do I have to set the slave in advance to the >same number of loops as the master? no but if the loops dont have the same lenght they obviously fall apart. so either you make them the same length with Next- Overdub, Next-Mulitply, Next-Insert, or NextCopy=time/Snd or you do ReAlign when you are back to the loop you want to be synced. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 15 10:35:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86DE83BF02; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:35:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: acd851fbe2021dc1686921da7f464901 Received-SPF: none (licasi.terra.com.br: 200.176.10.3 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of grob.org) client-ip=200.176.10.3; envelope-from=matthias@grob.org; helo=[80.242.202.242]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <10341370.1124067902586.JavaMail.root@vms074.mailsrvcs.net> References: <10341370.1124067902586.JavaMail.root@vms074.mailsrvcs.net> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:34:50 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: photos of July, 15th 2005 presentation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:35:08 +0000 (UTC) can you believe that I had this mail in the trash, but then felt: what was that? clicked on the link and saw myself! quite a surprise... third picture is Keith and me signing a bad contract at Gibson 1993! LOL then Bernhard in my lab in Brasil below the absolutely phantastic gig on that rooftop in Stockholm at sundown 2002... since I screwed the recording, I will keep the perferct memory... the rest I dont know. > http://www.flausen.ch/FLAUSEN/0501/ > >b.....i'm sorry, what was this presentation, i forget?.....was that a "dirty >hand" poster behind suano flashin the big bucks?.....thanks for the >pix!.....mic > >http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 15 13:43:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7ACA3BF06; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:43:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: RE: photos of July, 15th 2005 presentation Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:42:47 +0200 Message-ID: <005301c5a19f$44434b20$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:43:49 +0000 (UTC) The photos are from left to right, top to bottom: 01 Matthias in the car in Brazil. 02 Echoplex Prototype closeup 03 Contract Signing 04 Echoplex 05 Bernhard in Matthias' Lab 06 Matthias in hammock viewing interview footage 07 Ditto 08 San Francisco Luggage store 2004: Rick's bell suite 09 Stockholm Rooftop gig 10 Rick's Rig: Echoplex & Repeater 11 Sunao with two laptops 2004 Q-Mark Gallery, Santa Cruz: Reaktor and ableton Live 12 James Sidlo and Rick Walker at Y2K4 13 Chris Cohn's toys and loopers at Y2K4 14 Michael Klobuchar at Q-Mark Gallery 15 Phyll Smith (aka Dark Muse) at Y2K4 16 Japan 17 Looper's Delight J "The 4th Round" at Otoya, Kobe, Japan 18 Apple Powerbook running Max, I believe Kenji Konishi's 19 Sunao Inami's analogue rig 20 Gareth Whittock 21 Bun Ito 22 Aci 23 Sunao in front of Otoya club, host of Looper's Delight J 24 Flyer of the Zurich loopfestival 25 Flyer asking for accommodation for artists of Zurich Loopfestival Bernhard http://nosuch.biz http://loopfestival.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] > Sent: Montag, 15. August 2005 12:35 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: photos of July, 15th 2005 presentation > > can you believe that I had this mail in the trash, but then felt: > what was that? > clicked on the link and saw myself! > quite a surprise... > third picture is Keith and me signing a bad contract at Gibson 1993! LOL > then Bernhard in my lab in Brasil > below the absolutely phantastic gig on that rooftop in Stockholm at > sundown 2002... since I screwed the recording, I will keep the > perferct memory... > the rest I dont know. > > > http://www.flausen.ch/FLAUSEN/0501/ > > > >b.....i'm sorry, what was this presentation, i forget?.....was that a > "dirty > >hand" poster behind suano flashin the big bucks?.....thanks for the > >pix!.....mic > > > >http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci > > > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 15 13:49:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B304F3BF0C; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:49:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <004801c5a128$1c0ec160$2101a8c0@alhambra> References: <004801c5a128$1c0ec160$2101a8c0@alhambra> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9A046702-753E-4474-A299-05683E3943C1@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: OSX: new utility converts midi to key strokes Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:48:57 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:49:00 +0000 (UTC) Just a tip. Quoting the web site: > midiStroke converts midi note messages into keystrokes. Any single > note can trigger as many keystrokes as you like, in order. http://www.charlie-roberts.com/midiStroke/ We discussed similar software for Windows in the Kid Beyond thread. Now also OSX musicians can use any MIDI foot pedals to generate computer key strokes. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 15 14:54:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA6A73BF08; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:54:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <9A046702-753E-4474-A299-05683E3943C1@boysen.se> References: <004801c5a128$1c0ec160$2101a8c0@alhambra> <9A046702-753E-4474-A299-05683E3943C1@boysen.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7771BD8F-2AA7-4C35-A731-5F79DA7816A0@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: TC FireworX question Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:54:36 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:54:40 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I've been looking for a FireworX user group, similar to the eminent EventideHelps list, but found nothing. Since there are som FireworX users on this list I'm trying a post here. My problem is that the FireworX stops reacting to external MIDI program changes control every now and then. When this happens it's just like the MIDI patch changing functionality freezes or hangs. Audio and continues MIDI control are still working fine, though. The only way I have found to get out of the situation is to turn off and on the power. That's a big problem when playing live because it causes a big bump in the PA. Is this a known FireworX problem? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 15 17:44:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC34C3BF02; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:44:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=epb4ZnhtCvUy0ezcLrZ9sZyE+0uxMCTckSbH0ZIdu+6Igam4U7suv1HcSqe6MY+G; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-220058115175139370@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: mbloom@commauto.com Subject: no such animal RE: New DVD and audio CD 's from Doctor T Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:51:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940b7900433a580d12a56114524453f3dae350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.148.220 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:44:09 +0000 (UTC) Hi Emile! Any news on our "someday" collaboration with the "No Such Animal" disc? > [Original Message] > From: Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T) > To: > Cc: ; ; ; ; ; > Date: 8/14/2005 5:04:34 PM > Subject: New DVD and audio CD 's from Doctor T > > Hi folks, > > I'm pleased to offer the following 'private label' items , > > Eyewash May 11, 2005. DVD > > A live recording(45 minutes) of a show from the Eyewash series, with > Dean Stiglitz (a.k.a Deknow) flute and synths, and Claire Barrett > (Cilla_Vee Movement Project), Movement sculpture. This a good > recording of a show that I am very happy with. > > Data from Recent Experiments (Audio CD 70+ minutes). > > Live in the studio improvisations mostly recorded in 2001 and 2002 > using the Nord modular synth. Also features Neil Leonard on sax on > an older track that I remixed. > > Eyewash DVD $15 postpaid (US) $20 (rest of the world) > > Data from Recent Experiments CD $10 postpaid US, $15 rest of the workd. > > Both items together $20 (US) $25 (rest of the world) > > Payment by Paypal, or send a check to me at 164 Old Conn. Path, > Framingham, MA 01701 > > > > > > -- > " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley > > Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. > Video Producer Image Processing Specialist > Video for your HEAD! Boris FX > http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 15 17:56:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6249E3BF01; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:56:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5A1C2.AC7A4B24" Subject: Upcoming Looping CD Updates Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:56:33 -0600 Message-ID: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01330F1C@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Upcoming Looping CD Updates Thread-Index: AcWhwqv0M7kLn/TwRSq26INRoQ1Ecg== From: "Hartung, Kris" To: , , Cc: "Hartung, Kris" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Aug 2005 17:56:34.0736 (UTC) FILETIME=[ACF48300:01C5A1C2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:56:38 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5A1C2.AC7A4B24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Folks! I'd like to report on the progress of two exciting, upcoming looping and improvisational CDs.=20 The first project is my new solo CD, entitled "Descent to Self." Here is the preliminary project description, which will undergo some minor modifications and refinements: "Descent to Self is a musical exploration of ideas inspired by themes such as theoretical physics, science fiction, mathematics, and philosophy. By means of real-time looping technology, Krispen Hartung weaves an avant-garde and improvisational tapestry of sounds that are colorful, innovative, and mood provoking. This instrumental work showcases Hartung's ability to fuse avant-garde jazz, experimental, and ambient music into a multi-faceted musical experience."=20 The CD is a mixture of improvised and computer-based studio compositions, jam packed with 17 songs and almost 80 minutes of music. It will release and go on sale physically in the November or December timeframe. However, I have decided to pre-release the CD now in digital format only. You can view the CD artwork, download/play the entire CD in MP3 format here: http://www.krispenhartung.com/descent (how do you like the high resolution image my retina? Thanks to Idaho Eyecare Center for that one!) The second project I am leading is entitled "Xperimentus" and is so exciting and mind blowing that I can't even contain myself. Here is the preliminary project description, which will also undergo modifications and refinements: "Xperimentus is a series of experimental and avant-garde duo compositions by Krispen Hartung and 13 other musicians from the international Looper's Delight discussion group and community. Each composition is a duo composed virtually and in collaboration over the internet by Hartung and these amazingly creative and awe-inspiring musicians." The members of this project are as follows: Krispen Hartung (USA) - Acoustic & electric guitars, sitar, sound engineering, and project management David Coffin (USA) - Guitar Benoit Ruelle (Belgium) - bass, guitar, keys and a bit of drums Simeon Harris (UK) - Guitar Paul Mimlitsch (USA) - Guitar Mark Francombe (Norway) - Guitar Fabio Anile (Italy) - Keyboard, Electronics Tony K (USA) - Guitar, Bass, Mandolin, Synths, Bongos, Electronic Drums Clint Allen (USA) - Chapman Stick, Bass, Guitar Sony Felberg (USA, Seattle) - Found Sound composer/ACID Ted Killian (USA) - Guitar Scott Hansen (USA) - Guitar Vincent Miresse (USA) - Didjeridu, percussion=20 Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill (Germany) - keys, bits of electric (bass) guitar and saxophone, whimsical electronics=20 Pending: Sheila Olson and Max Valentino This CD will also go on sale in the November of December timeframe, and I will be consulting with the group on whether we will pre-release it digitally. We are currently over 60% done with the CD and the results so far are out of this world. It has been an astronomical privilege for me to collaborate with the above players in a virtual environment, integrate our playing styles, etc. I expect, or at least hope that this CD will be received well among our peers. Cheers, ************************************************************************ **************** Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com=20 info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5A1C2.AC7A4B24 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Upcoming Looping CD Updates

Hello = Folks!

I'd like to report = on the progress of two exciting, upcoming looping and improvisational = CDs.

The first project = is my new solo CD, entitled "Descent to Self."  = Here is the preliminary project description, which will undergo some = minor modifications and refinements:

"Descent = to Self is a musical exploration of ideas inspired by themes such as = theoretical physics, science fiction, mathematics, and philosophy. By = means of real-time looping technology, Krispen Hartung weaves an = avant-garde and improvisational tapestry of sounds that are colorful, = innovative, and mood provoking. This instrumental work showcases = Hartung's ability to fuse avant-garde jazz, experimental, and ambient = music into a multi-faceted musical experience." =

The CD is a = mixture of improvised and computer-based studio compositions, jam packed = with 17 songs and almost 80 minutes of music. It will release and go on = sale physically in the November or December timeframe. However, I have = decided to pre-release the CD now in digital format only. You can view = the CD artwork, download/play the entire CD in MP3 format here: = http://www.krispenhartung.com/descent  (how do you = like the high resolution image my retina?  Thanks to Idaho Eyecare = Center for that one!)

The second project = I am leading is entitled "Xperimentus" and is so exciting and mind blowing that I can't = even contain myself. Here is the preliminary project description, which = will also undergo modifications and refinements:

"Xperimentus is a series of experimental and = avant-garde duo compositions by Krispen Hartung and 13 other musicians = from the international Looper’s Delight discussion group and = community. Each composition is a duo composed virtually and in = collaboration over the internet by Hartung and these amazingly creative = and awe-inspiring musicians."

The members of = this project are as follows:

Krispen Hartung = (USA) - Acoustic & electric guitars, sitar, sound engineering, and = project management
David Coffin = (USA) - Guitar
Benoit Ruelle = (Belgium) - bass, guitar, keys and a bit of drums
Simeon Harris = (UK) - Guitar
Paul Mimlitsch = (USA) - Guitar
Mark Francombe = (Norway) - Guitar
Fabio Anile = (Italy) - Keyboard, Electronics
Tony K (USA) - = Guitar, Bass, Mandolin, Synths, Bongos, Electronic Drums
Clint Allen (USA) = - Chapman Stick, Bass, Guitar
Sony Felberg = (USA, Seattle) - Found Sound composer/ACID
Ted Killian (USA) = - Guitar
Scott Hansen = (USA) - Guitar
Vincent Miresse = (USA) - Didjeridu, percussion
Rainer Thelonius = Balthasar Straschill (Germany) - keys, bits of electric (bass) guitar = and saxophone, whimsical electronics

Pending: = Sheila Olson and Max = Valentino

This CD will also = go on sale in the November of December timeframe, and I will be = consulting with the group on whether we will pre-release it = digitally.   We are currently over 60% done with the CD and = the results so far are out of this world.  It has been an = astronomical privilege for me to collaborate with the above players in a = virtual environment, integrate our playing styles, etc. I expect, or at = least hope that this CD will be received well among our = peers.

Cheers,

**********************************************************= ******************************
Krispen = Hartung
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603






------_=_NextPart_001_01C5A1C2.AC7A4B24-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 15 18:52:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B74B3BEFB; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 18:52:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=s3Dk2e64iilnDbEpXJvJxZgUjUHF6BxWEClO/9NB5P8tojhripoU5l0duhnn7T7WFrt93hB7o2nXFScz1+AXmUHe8zWm6fxIrax0EIM7ULVpUrwy9PU3znZw21NVtIxPMh70x8/nw2dHFM6W0BRAxM3bHvIcExQ1+0nLTovWNgo= ; Message-ID: <20050815185236.89704.qmail@web50803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:52:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Wind Stick Devil Subject: OT: MP3 Sites with Non-mainstream Artists To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1541373434-1124131956=:86256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 18:52:38 +0000 (UTC) --0-1541373434-1124131956=:86256 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi,all: I haven't been motivated to obtain an iPod or similar. But, I've been thinking recently about how nice it would be to have all my Harold Budd, John Abercrombie, Zbgniew Preisner (as a couple examples) albums on one device. The question is: are there sites that have this kind of music for purchase? I know I can load this stuff to my PC but time is one thing I don't have a lot of (ou-I hate to say that-sounds like I'm dyin'). Regards, Prof. Wind __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1541373434-1124131956=:86256 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi,all:
 
I haven't been motivated to obtain an iPod or similar. But, I've been thinking recently about how nice it would be to have all my Harold Budd, John Abercrombie, Zbgniew  Preisner (as a couple examples) albums on one device.
 
The question is: are there sites that have this kind of music for purchase? I know I can load this stuff to my PC but time is one thing I don't have a lot of (ou-I hate to say that-sounds like I'm dyin').
 
Regards, Prof. Wind

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1541373434-1124131956=:86256-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 15 19:11:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B0B23BEFF; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:11:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:11:13 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: OT: MP3 Sites with Non-mainstream Artists In-reply-to: <20050815185236.89704.qmail@web50803.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4300E8D1.9040003@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20050815185236.89704.qmail@web50803.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:11:19 +0000 (UTC) Wind Stick Devil wrote: > Hi,all: > > I haven't been motivated to obtain an iPod or similar. But, I've been > thinking recently about how nice it would be to have all my Harold Budd, > John Abercrombie, Zbgniew Preisner (as a couple examples) albums on one > device. > > The question is: are there sites that have this kind of music for > purchase? I know I can load this stuff to my PC but time is one thing I > don't have a lot of (ou-I hate to say that-sounds like I'm dyin'). Assuming your albums are on CD rather than vinyl, I'm not sure downloading them from a web site is going to take less time than ripping them from a CD to the hard disk. Probably more because you have to browse, select, and pay for them. You can download the iTunes player for free and use it without an iPod to rip directly to MP3's rather than wav files. I do this all the time, it was literally a life changing event to have my entire collection instantly accessible. If you have vinyl, it is possible to get them digitized but tedious depending on how cleanly you want the tracks trimmed. Here you will almost certainly save time buying them again, assuming you can find them. Personally, I would buy them on CD and rip them rather than buying individual MP3's if you intend to buy the whole album. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 15 19:13:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAB043BF0F; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:13:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-OB-Received: from unknown (208.36.123.34) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 15 Aug 2005 19:13:12 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "joe rut" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:13:12 -0500 Subject: Re: Call it "Frisco" if I damn well wanna X-Originating-Ip: 69.109.188.35 X-Originating-Server: ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050815191312.25E07C6135@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5ISTVC.A.twG.JlOADB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:13:13 +0000 (UTC) Kim- Exactly..."tourists". But if you look at the demographics of "The City", the majority of the peo= ple who live there are not from there. And the people who=20 protest the most about "Frisco" are people who are not from "The City" to b= egin with but desperately want to fit in and thus adopt the=20 feigned horror of the locals at the use of this nickname.=20 Not really useful as a device to differentiate the tourist from the locals = at all... Joe Rut ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Flint" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Call it "Frisco" if I damn well wanna Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:15:32 -0700 >=20 > I always thought of "Frisco" as a convenient way to differentiate=20 > the tourists. Similar to people wearing shorts in summer. Or people=20 > who use the word "electronica". >=20 > It's not offensive, it just gives locals a reason to look down our=20 > noses in disdain at the poor wretch from the hinterlands. :-) >=20 > Real old timers don't even call it San Francisco. It is simply "The=20 > City". (capitalized, of course.) >=20 > kim >=20 >=20 > At 12:19 PM 8/14/2005, joe rut wrote: > > As someone not born in SF, but who lived there for years, I can't=20 > > even tell you the >=20 > ______________________________________________________________________ > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com --=20 _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pa= ges http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as= p?SRC=3Dlycos10 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 15 19:16:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 677173BF1A; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:16:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: MP3 Sites with Non-mainstream Artists Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:16:27 -0600 Message-ID: <001d01c5a1cd$d5e83620$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C5A19B.8B4DC620" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20050815185236.89704.qmail@web50803.mail.yahoo.com> X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 128, in=419, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:16:34 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C5A19B.8B4DC620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm sure one of the major digital download sites have his works, but you inspired me to do some web searching and I found his new website: http://www.johnabercrombie.com/ It is still very much incomplete at this stage, but the picture gallery is up and running. There is a placemarker for music. You might check up on that periodically. In any event, I know what you mean about time. I burned my entire Abercrombie collection of 14 CDs to MP3 last year...plus about 80 other jazz CDs....about killed me. John listed here, but not available yet: http://www.mp3.com/john-abercrombie/artists/5138/songs.html THIS is your ticket! http://www.mp3seller.com/buymp3cd/discography/John-Abercrombie-MP3-CD/mu sicalbums/3959.html 9 Ambercrombie CDs, 64 songs in MP3 on one disc. What pisses me off about most of these digital music sites is that you can't see what they have available without registering. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Wind Stick Devil [mailto:wklemmer1@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 12:53 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: MP3 Sites with Non-mainstream Artists Hi,all: I haven't been motivated to obtain an iPod or similar. But, I've been thinking recently about how nice it would be to have all my Harold Budd, John Abercrombie, Zbgniew Preisner (as a couple examples) albums on one device. The question is: are there sites that have this kind of music for purchase? I know I can load this stuff to my PC but time is one thing I don't have a lot of (ou-I hate to say that-sounds like I'm dyin'). Regards, Prof. Wind __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C5A19B.8B4DC620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

I'm=20 sure one of the major digital download sites have his works, but you = inspired me=20 to do some web searching and I found his new = website:
 
http://www.johnabercrombie.com/<= /A>
 
It=20 is still very much incomplete at this stage, but the picture gallery is = up and=20 running. There is a placemarker for music. You might check up on that=20 periodically.
 
In=20 any event, I know what you mean about time. I burned my entire = Abercrombie=20 collection of 14 CDs to MP3 last year...plus about 80 other jazz = CDs....about=20 killed me. 
 
John=20 listed here, but not available yet: http= ://www.mp3.com/john-abercrombie/artists/5138/songs.html=
 
THIS=20 is your ticket! http://www.mp3seller.com/buymp3cd/discography= /John-Abercrombie-MP3-CD/musicalbums/3959.html =20 9 Ambercrombie CDs, 64 songs in MP3 on one = disc.
 
What=20 pisses me off about most of these digital music sites is that you can't = see what=20 they have available without registering.

Kris
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Wind = Stick Devil=20 [mailto:wklemmer1@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 = 12:53=20 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: OT:=20 MP3 Sites with Non-mainstream Artists

Hi,all:
 
I haven't been motivated to obtain an iPod or similar. But, I've = been=20 thinking recently about how nice it would be to have all my Harold = Budd, John=20 Abercrombie, Zbgniew  Preisner (as a couple examples) albums = on one=20 device.
 
The question is: are there sites that have this kind of music for = purchase? I know I can load this stuff to my PC but time is one thing = I don't=20 have a lot of (ou-I hate to say that-sounds like I'm dyin').
 
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------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C5A19B.8B4DC620-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 15 19:36:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E9EA3BF1A; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:36:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=x0mV674zvgVYUj92N0OeQnBUl5W9GFm/OPAjTPD9r65AWgqKzHjlpgHlNahePEFnQ8wIdVhqqNAhHUtrmF9b6mw2AGOCi9zjEn6LbPcy5av+qWwnaV9MzzKhK9flF2p/tuc3cBvtQHBrm6Cw1Ctgw85pd/TDDbcf0lIWNePZLrY= ; Message-ID: <20050815193630.68137.qmail@web32506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:36:30 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Using FCB1010 of other MIDI foot controller + pc + software as JamStation (LoopStation) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050815082041.77416.qmail@web35213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-984708677-1124134590=:67008" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:36:32 +0000 (UTC) --0-984708677-1124134590=:67008 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit hello JL. dont forgett pedal four reverse/half speed ====after layer one ,two, three...ect press pedal four to reverse everything,insert solo,press number four again,now you have a reverse solo..most looping device have"pedal four" function. but seriously:check out the boomerang and the line 6 DL4 for learning to loop easily. have fun. scary visionary John Leo wrote:Using FCB1010 of other MIDI foot controller + pc + software as JamStation (LoopStation) There is 2 devices ive see - Boss RC-20xl Phrase Recorder and Digitech JamStation. Behringer pedal can provide Total control over the PC ( if software assignable to midi control ) What u can say about this idea - may be its work - hey people who use it in this way? Hmmmmm... Very hard to imagine how to emulate some of auto funcions of harware devices ( as LoopStations). Boss provides auto-quantanise functions and phrase select and shift. Can sequencer START play if i press pedal 1. pedal 2 - STOP. pedal 3 - Next Phrase. How can i store many phrases in sequencer and mark them by numbers? I know MARK function in SAMPLITUTE ( magix.de ) - so i can put many phrases in one sequencer track, then assigne a mark to start of each loop/ so then i need to assigne to pedal function PLAY and REWIND (?) IMPORTANT!!!' I want to use it LIVE!!! So i play on my guirar - i predd pedal 1 - then sequencer start the recordind. Then i end my phrase i press the button again - Rec off. Then i play next part of song - and press pedal 2 - Sequencer starts to play recorder part !!!!!! And i play solo over my riff ! Than i press pedal 3 - and my solo record too! Than i want to have ability to play rythm+ solo ( they call it OVERDUB function) and play over this new phrase some improvisation! Thats i want/ See picture http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/fcb1010/vwp?.dir=/&.src=gr&.dnm= sampl.jpg&.view=t&.done=http% 3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/fcb1010/lst%3f%26.dir=/%26.src=gr% 26.view=t __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-984708677-1124134590=:67008 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
hello JL.   dont forgett pedal four reverse/half speed ====after layer one ,two, three...ect press pedal four to reverse everything,insert solo,press number four again,now you have a reverse solo..most looping device have"pedal four" function.     but seriously:check out the boomerang and the line 6 DL4 for learning to loop easily.  have fun.     scary visionary

John Leo <seekerlittle@yahoo.com> wrote:
Using FCB1010 of other MIDI foot controller + pc +
software as JamStation (LoopStation)

There is 2 devices ive see - Boss RC-20xl Phrase
Recorder and Digitech
JamStation.

Behringer pedal can provide Total control over the PC
( if software
assignable to midi control )

What u can say about this idea - may be its work - hey
people who use
it in this way?

Hmmmmm... Very hard to imagine how to emulate some of
auto funcions of
harware devices ( as LoopStations).

Boss provides auto-quantanise functions and phrase
select and shift.

Can sequencer START play if i press pedal 1.
pedal 2 - STOP.
pedal 3 - Next Phrase.

How can i store many phrases in sequencer and mark
them by numbers?

I know MARK function in SAMPLITUTE ( magix.de ) - so i
can put many
phrases in one sequencer track, then assigne a mark to
start of each
loop/ so then i need to assigne to pedal function PLAY
and REWIND (?)


IMPORTANT!!!'

I want to use it LIVE!!!

So i play on my guirar - i predd pedal 1 - then
sequencer start the
recordind.
Then i end my phrase i press the button again - Rec
off.

Then i play next part of song - and press pedal 2 -
Sequencer starts
to play recorder part !!!!!! And i play solo over my
riff !

Than i press pedal 3 - and my solo record too!

Than i want to have ability to play rythm+ solo ( they
call it
OVERDUB function) and play over this new phrase some
improvisation!

Thats i want/

See picture
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/fcb1010/vwp?.dir=/&.src=gr&.dnm=
sampl.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%
3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/fcb1010/lst%3f%26.dir=/%26.src=gr%
26.view=t





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Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-984708677-1124134590=:67008-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 15 19:45:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBD573BF10; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:45:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lknTlV2ZqZ17GSsEB3BDiy8WJazmduLsF2lZA0oZZBIAqHE4fA54bF6Mgo24/C6Wa963EoQjD0lwSdkrSbmfR/ekw7Aj10bEPrzl2ycFZ5IeFnzLHYytIvRYX+ZyN8TrPuT9gSrVbcGoJeTE/N0ae8AfDdrze8WdyMysD1bdRy0= ; Message-ID: <20050815194502.7966.qmail@web32512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:45:02 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: been around the block To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005301c5a19f$44434b20$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1968207059-1124135102=:95957" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:45:03 +0000 (UTC) --0-1968207059-1124135102=:95957 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit sheeesh! you folks sure get around...looping the earth even...awsome! skizy dizzyniod Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: The photos are from left to right, top to bottom: 01 Matthias in the car in Brazil. 02 Echoplex Prototype closeup 03 Contract Signing 04 Echoplex 05 Bernhard in Matthias' Lab 06 Matthias in hammock viewing interview footage 07 Ditto 08 San Francisco Luggage store 2004: Rick's bell suite 09 Stockholm Rooftop gig 10 Rick's Rig: Echoplex & Repeater 11 Sunao with two laptops 2004 Q-Mark Gallery, Santa Cruz: Reaktor and ableton Live 12 James Sidlo and Rick Walker at Y2K4 13 Chris Cohn's toys and loopers at Y2K4 14 Michael Klobuchar at Q-Mark Gallery 15 Phyll Smith (aka Dark Muse) at Y2K4 16 Japan 17 Looper's Delight J "The 4th Round" at Otoya, Kobe, Japan 18 Apple Powerbook running Max, I believe Kenji Konishi's 19 Sunao Inami's analogue rig 20 Gareth Whittock 21 Bun Ito 22 Aci 23 Sunao in front of Otoya club, host of Looper's Delight J 24 Flyer of the Zurich loopfestival 25 Flyer asking for accommodation for artists of Zurich Loopfestival Bernhard http://nosuch.biz http://loopfestival.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org] > Sent: Montag, 15. August 2005 12:35 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: photos of July, 15th 2005 presentation > > can you believe that I had this mail in the trash, but then felt: > what was that? > clicked on the link and saw myself! > quite a surprise... > third picture is Keith and me signing a bad contract at Gibson 1993! LOL > then Bernhard in my lab in Brasil > below the absolutely phantastic gig on that rooftop in Stockholm at > sundown 2002... since I screwed the recording, I will keep the > perferct memory... > the rest I dont know. > > > http://www.flausen.ch/FLAUSEN/0501/ > > > >b.....i'm sorry, what was this presentation, i forget?.....was that a > "dirty > >hand" poster behind suano flashin the big bucks?.....thanks for the > >pix!.....mic > > > >http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci > > > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour --0-1968207059-1124135102=:95957 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
sheeesh!   you folks sure get around...looping the earth even...awsome!        skizy dizzyniod

Bernhard Wagner LD <loopdelightml@nosuch.biz> wrote:

The photos are from left to right, top to bottom:
01 Matthias in the car in Brazil.
02 Echoplex Prototype closeup
03 Contract Signing
04 Echoplex
05 Bernhard in Matthias' Lab
06 Matthias in hammock viewing interview footage
07 Ditto
08 San Francisco Luggage store 2004: Rick's bell suite
09 Stockholm Rooftop gig
10 Rick's Rig: Echoplex & Repeater
11 Sunao with two laptops 2004 Q-Mark Gallery, Santa Cruz:
Reaktor and ableton Live
12 James Sidlo and Rick Walker at Y2K4
13 Chris Cohn's toys and loopers at Y2K4
14 Michael Klobuchar at Q-Mark Gallery
15 Phyll Smith (aka Dark Muse) at Y2K4
16 Japan
17 Looper's Delight J "The 4th Round" at Otoya, Kobe, Japan
18 Apple Powerbook running Max, I believe Kenji Konishi's
19 Sunao Inami's analogue rig
20 Gareth Whittock
21 Bun Ito
22 Aci
23 Sunao in front of Otoya club, host of Looper's Delight J
24 Flyer of the Zurich loopfestival
25 Flyer asking for accommodation for artists of Zurich Loopfestival

Bernhard
http://nosuch.biz
http://loopfestival.com



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthias Grob [mailto:matthias@grob.org]
> Sent: Montag, 15. August 2005 12:35
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Re: photos of July, 15th 2005 presentation
>
> can you believe that I had this mail in the trash, but then felt:
> what was that?
> clicked on the link and saw myself!
> quite a surprise...
> third picture is Keith and me signing a bad contract at Gibson 1993! LOL
> then Bernhard in my lab in Brasil
> below the absolutely phantastic gig on that rooftop in Stockholm at
> sundown 2002... since I screwed the recording, I will keep the
> perferct memory...
> the rest I dont know.
>
> > http://www.flausen.ch/FLAUSEN/0501/
> >
> >b.....i'm sorry, what was this presentation, i forget?.....was that a
> "dirty
> >hand" poster behind suano flashin the big bucks?.....thanks for the
> >pix!.....mic
> >
> >http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci
>
>
> --
>
>
> ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org


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Take the tour --0-1968207059-1124135102=:95957-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 15 19:46:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51AE93BF0F; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:46:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oakur+pPSZBBp5tmjOW5Kh5ToBTGnDLPOKEnS9OjfFMd3rrqblm869szRoH8j6FNvsoBt6q6AWmT1ZL9dRuFjKOQI6vpoWLyoKTK79ENKYUebB8MBWz7LnXdMWz6XoCgu/ZYZi6YdZrwx6XjuHgQMb8Rx6rrlMbiLSSrEW8eUTY= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:46:39 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MP3 Sites with Non-mainstream Artists In-Reply-To: <001d01c5a1cd$d5e83620$6601a8c0@khartung> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050815185236.89704.qmail@web50803.mail.yahoo.com> <001d01c5a1cd$d5e83620$6601a8c0@khartung> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:46:40 +0000 (UTC) Budd, Abercrombie, and Preisner are all available at the iTunes music store= . On 8/15/05, Krispen Hartung wrote: > =20 > I'm sure one of the major digital download sites have his works, but you > inspired me to do some web searching and I found his new website:=20 > =20 > http://www.johnabercrombie.com/=20 > =20 > It is still very much incomplete at this stage, but the picture gallery i= s > up and running. There is a placemarker for music. You might check up on t= hat > periodically.=20 > =20 > In any event, I know what you mean about time. I burned my entire > Abercrombie collection of 14 CDs to MP3 last year...plus about 80 other j= azz > CDs....about killed me. =20 > =20 > John listed here, but not available yet: > http://www.mp3.com/john-abercrombie/artists/5138/songs.html > =20 > THIS is your ticket! > http://www.mp3seller.com/buymp3cd/discography/John-Abercrombie-MP3-CD/mus= icalbums/3959.html > 9 Ambercrombie CDs, 64 songs in MP3 on one disc.=20 > =20 > What pisses me off about most of these digital music sites is that you ca= n't > see what they have available without registering.=20 >=20 > Kris=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Wind Stick Devil [mailto:wklemmer1@yahoo.com]=20 > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 12:53 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: OT: MP3 Sites with Non-mainstream Artists >=20 > =20 > Hi,all:=20 > =20 > I haven't been motivated to obtain an iPod or similar. But, I've been > thinking recently about how nice it would be to have all my Harold Budd, > John Abercrombie, Zbgniew Preisner (as a couple examples) albums on one > device.=20 > =20 > The question is: are there sites that have this kind of music for purchas= e? > I know I can load this stuff to my PC but time is one thing I don't have = a > lot of (ou-I hate to say that-sounds like I'm dyin').=20 > =20 > Regards, Prof. Wind=20 >=20 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 > http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 15 19:51:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 872F83BF28; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:51:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4300F1E5.305@soundscapes.us> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:49:57 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: carry ons & gear References: <20050811215917.24727.qmail@web32510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050811215917.24727.qmail@web32510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:51:09 +0000 (UTC) daniel stevenson wrote: > k pasa. does airline security freak out on electronics?is there > stuff you cant carry on?any horror stories? "you may ask > yourself" (water flowing under rock)... scary. American security ALWAYS check out the P-Touch printer case that I use to carry my minidisc recorder, microphone, batteries, etc. They just don't know what the hell it is. European security know and therefore don't bother with it. Everyone checks laptop computers. Arrive early and expect a little more delay than the usual traveler. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 15 19:51:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 990B33BF1F; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:51:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:50:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: bose pa speaker thingie To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <6572896.1124135418303.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:51:36 +0000 (UTC) speaking of abercrombie.....while at the guitar center on saturday i listened to an abercrombie cd played thru one of those bose speaker towers.....i was impressed.....what i liked most about it was the fact that you didn't have to play it "loud" to get it to project for a pretty good distance (standing 6 feet in front of it with a comfortable volume, it still sounded great about 40-50 feet away, wonderful!).....the only problem was if you want to go stereo your lookin at close to $4000 for two speakes and 2 subs.....anyone else listen to these?.....after thinking about it though, the bose would be no easier a schlepp than my srm's (which get heavier every day).....i would play out more if it wasn't for the moving of "stuff" from a third floor studio to the venue and back again.....it's awful to be lazy but it's worse to be old and lazy.....:).....mic http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 15 19:55:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A42C33BF28; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:55:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <20050815185236.89704.qmail@web50803.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050815185236.89704.qmail@web50803.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2ECE90C6-0F4C-4C2D-9B0C-66DB43B63100@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: MP3 Sites with Non-mainstream Artists Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:55:45 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:55:49 +0000 (UTC) On Aug 15, 2005, at 20:52, Wind Stick Devil wrote: > Hi,all: > > I haven't been motivated to obtain an iPod or similar. But, I've > been thinking recently about how nice it would be to have all my > Harold Budd, John Abercrombie, Zbgniew Preisner (as a couple > examples) albums on one device. > > The question is: are there sites that have this kind of music for > purchase? I know I can load this stuff to my PC but time is one > thing I don't have a lot of (ou-I hate to say that-sounds like I'm > dyin'). > > Regards, Prof. Wind I had no problem finding the latest albums of Jon Hassell and Eyvind Aarset on iTMS. After listening to I decided to buy them again as CD's for the full audio fidelity, to never again buy compressed music and finally to never buy an iPod. I have lots of old vinyl by Abercrombie, Jade Warrior, Funcadelic et al, that I dearly miss listening to. My plan is to buy a good turntable, digitize the albums and burn audio CDs of them. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 15 19:58:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E7FB3BF2B; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:58:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BILcpbWUDEotiCfOKnIUaBzEJlALGQ1NA3K828bdPfu4dMEGllPCijDzQnzgL2F/T3J4hmAaCYFLOJLpxWJXuMk8e4J850/qew6HyO2sWw4AmrgyKOs0Mqu+DhZoCV4fypP6flmywhttcKkbQfUAvALVOO6Dse+hgmXJOBHTKKY= ; Message-ID: <20050815195850.26446.qmail@web32503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 12:58:50 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: bose pa speaker thingie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6572896.1124135418303.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1588739176-1124135930=:25883" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:58:52 +0000 (UTC) --0-1588739176-1124135930=:25883 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit dude, those things sound fantastic.i played a variax tru one at guitar center...too badd they dont have edp's i would have really been a kid in a candy-store!!! nemoguitt@verizon.net wrote: speaking of abercrombie.....while at the guitar center on saturday i listened to an abercrombie cd played thru one of those bose speaker towers.....i was impressed.....what i liked most about it was the fact that you didn't have to play it "loud" to get it to project for a pretty good distance (standing 6 feet in front of it with a comfortable volume, it still sounded great about 40-50 feet away, wonderful!).....the only problem was if you want to go stereo your lookin at close to $4000 for two speakes and 2 subs.....anyone else listen to these?.....after thinking about it though, the bose would be no easier a schlepp than my srm's (which get heavier every day).....i would play out more if it wasn't for the moving of "stuff" from a third floor studio to the venue and back again.....it's awful to be lazy but it's worse to be old and lazy.....:).....mic http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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dude, those things sound fantastic.i played a variax tru one at guitar center...too badd they dont have edp's i would have really been a kid in a candy-store!!!
 
 
 

nemoguitt@verizon.net wrote:
speaking of abercrombie.....while at the guitar center on saturday i listened
to an abercrombie cd played thru one of those bose speaker towers.....i was
impressed.....what i liked most about it was the fact that you didn't have to
play it "loud" to get it to project for a pretty good distance (standing 6
feet in front of it with a comfortable volume, it still sounded great about
40-50 feet away, wonderful!).....the only problem was if you want to go stereo
your lookin at close to $4000 for two speakes and 2 subs.....anyone else
listen to these?.....after thinking about it though, the bose would be no
easier a schlepp than my srm's (which get heavier every day).....i would play
out more if it wasn't for the moving of "stuff" from a third floor studio to
the venue and back again.....it's awful to be lazy but it's worse to be old
and lazy.....:).....mic

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1588739176-1124135930=:25883-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 15 20:01:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BFCF33BF13; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:01:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=p1+bkuowyCdJXQTvrQRfp6ehOvbpy9sfNEY+pauk7oIyhL4Pkv+1hVtyXYjgmMI1d3lyxCh69nGwlKWMHS6AWQ29xStSL4f8ptyYEdFRytqC6sDiXDshSr/knG/DJwTrr59GXfe1+mf4xTm0DyxgRIAe3H7PAhSClnXbXJjxYeE= ; Message-ID: <20050815200124.1359.qmail@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:01:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: OT: MP3 Sites with Non-mainstream Artists To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050815185236.89704.qmail@web50803.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:01:25 +0000 (UTC) --- Wind Stick Devil wrote: > I haven't been motivated to obtain an iPod or > similar. But, I've been thinking recently about how > nice it would be to have all my Harold Budd, John > Abercrombie, Zbgniew Preisner (as a couple > examples) albums on one device. See, that's what I love about this list: I'm familiar with and enjoy the music of the first two guys on that short 'ferexample' list, but have never heard of the third. However, you can bet I'll soon be googling him, and chances are, I'll soon be listening to him as well. -t- ps: in honor of our FRISCAN listmembers, tonight I'm having Rice-a-Roni for supper. I haven't had that stuff in years, but when I was in the grocery store just now and saw some, I actually thought of the Frisco thread and, well, you know... ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 15 20:04:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7F0E3BF47; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:04:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=c9NhmCq1450w24vq6+AmAKLB7ey1RZbMee5rQ6IlOuU/HO77RK0W2n1mSzCrvc0fqc8uZKHEdVY3Y0AEk/FbH0vkaASKHYfaE3S8d9MSlVw0/Dm4LNmETWPN6TMHCHQ4Tk9P6QodFPVJKuBI6IO3i4RKSaiiKaAGkn3Lj5HGjEM= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:04:31 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Call it "Frisco" if I damn well wanna In-Reply-To: <20050815191312.25E07C6135@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050815191312.25E07C6135@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:04:32 +0000 (UTC) Surely one of the San Fran loopers can start a series of Friscotronics performances? On 8/15/05, joe rut wrote: > Kim- >=20 > Exactly..."tourists". >=20 > But if you look at the demographics of "The City", the majority of the p= eople who live there are not from there. And the people who > protest the most about "Frisco" are people who are not from "The City" to= begin with but desperately want to fit in and thus adopt the > feigned horror of the locals at the use of this nickname. >=20 > Not really useful as a device to differentiate the tourist from the local= s at all... >=20 > Joe Rut >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kim Flint" > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Call it "Frisco" if I damn well wanna > Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:15:32 -0700 >=20 > > > > I always thought of "Frisco" as a convenient way to differentiate > > the tourists. Similar to people wearing shorts in summer. Or people > > who use the word "electronica". > > > > It's not offensive, it just gives locals a reason to look down our > > noses in disdain at the poor wretch from the hinterlands. :-) > > > > Real old timers don't even call it San Francisco. It is simply "The > > City". (capitalized, of course.) > > > > kim > > > > > > At 12:19 PM 8/14/2005, joe rut wrote: > > > As someone not born in SF, but who lived there for years, I can't > > > even tell you the > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Kim Flint | Looper's Delight > > kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com >=20 > -- > _______________________________________________ >=20 > Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow = Pages >=20 > http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.= asp?SRC=3Dlycos10 >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 15 20:17:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A662A3BF51; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:17:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4300F802.40107@soundscapes.us> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:16:02 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bose pa speaker thingie References: <6572896.1124135418303.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net> In-Reply-To: <6572896.1124135418303.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4pz92.A.PbB.ChPADB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:17:06 +0000 (UTC) nemoguitt@verizon.net wrote: > ....i would play > out more if it wasn't for the moving of "stuff" from a third floor > studio to > the venue and back again.....it's awful to be lazy but it's worse to > be old > and lazy.....:).....mic My running joke is that I play for free... so long as I'm paid cartage! 1) Disassemble studio 2) Pack gear 3) Lug gear upstairs 4) Load gear into car 5) Drive to gig with $2.40/gal gas 6) Unload car 7) Lug gear to stage 8) Set up gear 9) Play 10) Disassemble gear 11) Pack gear 12) Lug gear to car 13) Load gear into car 14) Drive home with $2.55/gal gas 15) Unload car 16) Lug gear back to basement 17) Unpack gear 18) Set up gear 19) Rehearse 20) Repeat 1 - 19 So as you see, I don't charge for #9 or #19 since I enjoy doing those. I charge for the rest because I hate doing it or it costs me money. As you can see, I'm over worked AND under paid! ;-( Oh, by the way, working musicians are also publishers, lawyers, promoters, graphic artists, webmasters, audio engineers, computer and software engineers, record label executives, and a whole bunch of other things that have NOTHING to do with why we like music so much that we've become musicians by choice. Cheers, Bill Fox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 15 20:32:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F9503BF58; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:32:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: bose pa speaker thingie Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:31:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <4300F802.40107@soundscapes.us> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcWh1k75sGBhvtZ6SRKcVPUhTIBS1QAAfk9g Message-Id: <20050815203202.A923F3BF21@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:32:04 +0000 (UTC) Then there's the actual cost of the gear that you're lugging around on top of all of that labor. It ain't cheap! -----Original Message----- From: Bill Fox [mailto:billyfox@soundscapes.us] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 4:16 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bose pa speaker thingie nemoguitt@verizon.net wrote: > ....i would play > out more if it wasn't for the moving of "stuff" from a third floor > studio to > the venue and back again.....it's awful to be lazy but it's worse to > be old > and lazy.....:).....mic My running joke is that I play for free... so long as I'm paid cartage! 1) Disassemble studio 2) Pack gear 3) Lug gear upstairs 4) Load gear into car 5) Drive to gig with $2.40/gal gas 6) Unload car 7) Lug gear to stage 8) Set up gear 9) Play 10) Disassemble gear 11) Pack gear 12) Lug gear to car 13) Load gear into car 14) Drive home with $2.55/gal gas 15) Unload car 16) Lug gear back to basement 17) Unpack gear 18) Set up gear 19) Rehearse 20) Repeat 1 - 19 So as you see, I don't charge for #9 or #19 since I enjoy doing those. I charge for the rest because I hate doing it or it costs me money. As you can see, I'm over worked AND under paid! ;-( Oh, by the way, working musicians are also publishers, lawyers, promoters, graphic artists, webmasters, audio engineers, computer and software engineers, record label executives, and a whole bunch of other things that have NOTHING to do with why we like music so much that we've become musicians by choice. Cheers, Bill Fox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 15 20:35:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B010A3BF50; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:35:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: bose pa speaker thingie Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:35:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <4300F802.40107@soundscapes.us> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcWh1k75sGBhvtZ6SRKcVPUhTIBS1QAAiVpQ Message-Id: <20050815203505.148EC3BF3A@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:35:06 +0000 (UTC) I can totally relate to this list. I had to duplicate my home and live setup so that I'm not constantly performing this 'loop'. It also introduced the chance that I would forget a cable or something. Right now, I'm gigging 2-3 times a week. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Fox [mailto:billyfox@soundscapes.us] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 4:16 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bose pa speaker thingie nemoguitt@verizon.net wrote: > ....i would play > out more if it wasn't for the moving of "stuff" from a third floor > studio to > the venue and back again.....it's awful to be lazy but it's worse to > be old > and lazy.....:).....mic My running joke is that I play for free... so long as I'm paid cartage! 1) Disassemble studio 2) Pack gear 3) Lug gear upstairs 4) Load gear into car 5) Drive to gig with $2.40/gal gas 6) Unload car 7) Lug gear to stage 8) Set up gear 9) Play 10) Disassemble gear 11) Pack gear 12) Lug gear to car 13) Load gear into car 14) Drive home with $2.55/gal gas 15) Unload car 16) Lug gear back to basement 17) Unpack gear 18) Set up gear 19) Rehearse 20) Repeat 1 - 19 So as you see, I don't charge for #9 or #19 since I enjoy doing those. I charge for the rest because I hate doing it or it costs me money. As you can see, I'm over worked AND under paid! ;-( Oh, by the way, working musicians are also publishers, lawyers, promoters, graphic artists, webmasters, audio engineers, computer and software engineers, record label executives, and a whole bunch of other things that have NOTHING to do with why we like music so much that we've become musicians by choice. Cheers, Bill Fox From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 15 20:43:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A1CE3BF54; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:43:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Using loops at gigs (was: bose pa speaker thingie) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:43:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <20050815203505.148EC3BF3A@arsenic.violacea.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcWh1k75sGBhvtZ6SRKcVPUhTIBS1QAAiVpQAABXqfA= Message-Id: <20050815204331.DNQM3209.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:43:38 +0000 (UTC) Looping at gigs? -----Original Message----- From: Bill Edmondson wrote: Right now, I'm gigging 2-3 times a week. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 15 20:55:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DD6E3BF4F; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:55:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: Using loops at gigs (was: bose pa speaker thingie) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:55:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20050815204331.DNQM3209.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcWh1k75sGBhvtZ6SRKcVPUhTIBS1QAAiVpQAABXqfAAAFzMcA== Message-Id: <20050815205541.9333C3BF20@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:55:43 +0000 (UTC) Not yet. I'm still in the home studio with that. I'm torn between a Repeater, Ableton and 'ReJam' (my custom Reflex/JamMan device) gear. I've got all three, so it may be a combo platter once it hits the road. -----Original Message----- From: Gary Lehmann [mailto:hqr@cox.net] Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 4:43 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Using loops at gigs (was: bose pa speaker thingie) Looping at gigs? -----Original Message----- From: Bill Edmondson wrote: Right now, I'm gigging 2-3 times a week. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 15 20:59:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C9BDB3BF57; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:59:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=t96kKFluW2Y/vVVQtlWABxhhkVDvZwVkppLfWdigW0U+9N4NS7pCjeKlZ5LUZboLZE7v2Iz50X/A4DH02u8VX3YK2IkLTRjtxtWe1vO8i8Yriy05Wcz4ef9AU+61wz8xDjSwHo6NhtUsqo0nP0FES6r/NzFG0MWfvMYFBTCQrQk= ; Message-ID: <20050815205954.60427.qmail@web81310.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:59:54 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: bose pa speaker thingie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6572896.1124135418303.JavaMail.root@vms075.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:59:56 +0000 (UTC) But how do they actually sound? I've yet to find a Bose speaker that sounds decent IMO. Anyone know what's up with speakers that work on constructive interference? Too directional for PA speakers? Mark --- nemoguitt@verizon.net wrote: > speaking of abercrombie.....while at the guitar > center on saturday i listened > to an abercrombie cd played thru one of those bose > speaker towers.....i was > impressed.....what i liked most about it was the > fact that you didn't have to > play it "loud" to get it to project for a pretty > good distance (standing 6 > feet in front of it with a comfortable volume, it > still sounded great about > 40-50 feet away, wonderful!).....the only problem > was if you want to go stereo > your lookin at close to $4000 for two speakes and 2 > subs.....anyone else > listen to these?.....after thinking about it though, > the bose would be no > easier a schlepp than my srm's (which get heavier > every day).....i would play > out more if it wasn't for the moving of "stuff" from > a third floor studio to > the venue and back again.....it's awful to be lazy > but it's worse to be old > and lazy.....:).....mic > > http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 15 21:21:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30D6A3BF46; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:21:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BHtHm5GRQ4ELtlLWr1DGQzVmYZz4+0VyEhsqOugeZWnLlDR8BACTLEhRtjxLw3nUwntJ89oCpFggkPmNO9+PayaxdkcTZQWFACLsf99fdB0bz8E9JyaRVuxuNXs2YtUa/zgXrG/fxnfb6yhGm5ePBvWr7qvE6LNGGqzIx9Lc7ik= ; Message-ID: <20050815212131.29488.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:21:31 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: OT: MP3 Sites with Non-mainstream Artists To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2ECE90C6-0F4C-4C2D-9B0C-66DB43B63100@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:21:32 +0000 (UTC) I just finished putting my entire CD collection (about 600) as .m4a (AAC encoder) on a 250 gig hard drive. Works like a charm and most of it fits on my 30 gig iPod. Sure, CDs do sound better... LPs sound decent too... if you've got unlimited amounts of cash to spend on your system and only play your vinyl once... but can either make a playlist on the fly or pick tunes at random from my entire collection? No. I've gotten to LOVE listening to my music that way. Mid way through a King Crimson song I get a hanker'n for Talking Heads? While on a train? No. However, I've found that in my life an iPod with a pair of Shure E5 headhphones is the best way for me to listen to music 95% of the time. I still buy most of my music as CDs and have kept all my CDs.. but they're in boxes in my garage until I can find a good way to store and use them. I'd LOVE a CD jukebox that held all of them... but until then they'll sit in my garage. Mark --- Per Boysen wrote: After listening to I decided to buy > them again as > CD's for the full audio fidelity, to never again buy > compressed music > and finally to never buy an iPod. I have lots of old > vinyl by > Abercrombie, Jade Warrior, Funcadelic et al, that I > dearly miss > listening to. My plan is to buy a good turntable, > digitize the albums > and burn audio CDs of them. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 15 21:42:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 768353BF46; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:42:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <20050815212131.29488.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050815212131.29488.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: MP3 Sites with Non-mainstream Artists Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 23:42:25 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:42:28 +0000 (UTC) On Aug 15, 2005, at 23:21, mark sottilaro wrote: > No. I've gotten to LOVE listening to my music that > way. Mid way through a King Crimson song I get a > hanker'n for Talking Heads? While on a train? No. I can definitely understand that argument. But I wouldn't trade in fidelity for it. If you buy your music as CDs and rip them by yourself to iPod you can use a better AAC encoding than the 128 kbps that Apple uses. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 15 21:47:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F4603BF51; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:47:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=rTCaRo9bUVWwQSr+/71MiJVoK9z06vUWuvmy6TlNgSeqm6zColBrKjA+04i8RGTFc1CTwjsRBY7gWhNW1Ib0fFm9ucNAHWkbH8oQlQauBmDbv0WIzTy+AKL31m1c+q4NxPMGyEcqBmaIcZo9Ai18kXtBe01Yw0XgZRpiBU8xbDQ= ; Message-ID: <20050815214737.26812.qmail@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:47:37 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: OT: MP3 Sites with Non-mainstream Artists/I-pod mayhem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050815212131.29488.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1191134400-1124142457=:26726" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:47:38 +0000 (UTC) --0-1191134400-1124142457=:26726 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ...news from hell...some chick(female human)killed her dude(male companion)with her i-pod! i guess he erased all her songs, and she bludgeoned him to death for his inconsiderate behavior. how many times do ya gota swing an i-pod to do that kind of damage?more than licks to find the center of a tootsie-pop im bettin! scary. mark sottilaro wrote: I just finished putting my entire CD collection (about 600) as .m4a (AAC encoder) on a 250 gig hard drive. Works like a charm and most of it fits on my 30 gig iPod. Sure, CDs do sound better... LPs sound decent too... if you've got unlimited amounts of cash to spend on your system and only play your vinyl once... but can either make a playlist on the fly or pick tunes at random from my entire collection? No. I've gotten to LOVE listening to my music that way. Mid way through a King Crimson song I get a hanker'n for Talking Heads? While on a train? No. However, I've found that in my life an iPod with a pair of Shure E5 headhphones is the best way for me to listen to music 95% of the time. I still buy most of my music as CDs and have kept all my CDs.. but they're in boxes in my garage until I can find a good way to store and use them. I'd LOVE a CD jukebox that held all of them... but until then they'll sit in my garage. Mark --- Per Boysen wrote: After listening to I decided to buy > them again as > CD's for the full audio fidelity, to never again buy > compressed music > and finally to never buy an iPod. I have lots of old > vinyl by > Abercrombie, Jade Warrior, Funcadelic et al, that I > dearly miss > listening to. My plan is to buy a good turntable, > digitize the albums > and burn audio CDs of them. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1191134400-1124142457=:26726 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

...news from hell...some chick(female human)killed her dude(male companion)with her i-pod!
i guess he erased all her songs, and she bludgeoned him to death for his inconsiderate behavior.
how many times do ya gota swing an i-pod to do that kind of damage?more than licks to find the center of a tootsie-pop im bettin! 
scary.        

mark sottilaro <zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
I just finished putting my entire CD collection (about
600) as .m4a (AAC encoder) on a 250 gig hard drive.
Works like a charm and most of it fits on my 30 gig
iPod. Sure, CDs do sound better... LPs sound decent
too... if you've got unlimited amounts of cash to
spend on your system and only play your vinyl once...
but can either make a playlist on the fly or pick
tunes at random from my entire collection?

No. I've gotten to LOVE listening to my music that
way. Mid way through a King Crimson song I get a
hanker'n for Talking Heads? While on a train? No.

However, I've found that in my life an iPod with a
pair of Shure E5 headhphones is the best way for me to
listen to music 95% of the time.

I still buy most of my music as CDs and have kept all
my CDs.. but they're in boxes in my garage until I can
find a good way to store and use them. I'd LOVE a CD
jukebox that held all of them... but until then
they'll sit in my garage.

Mark

--- Per Boysen wrote:

After listening to I decided to buy
> them again as
> CD's for the full audio fidelity, to never again buy
> compressed music
> and finally to never buy an iPod. I have lots of old
> vinyl by
> Abercrombie, Jade Warrior, Funcadelic et al, that I
> dearly miss
> listening to. My plan is to buy a good turntable,
> digitize the albums
> and burn audio CDs of them.
>
> Greetings from Sweden
>
> Per Boysen
> www.looproom.com (international)
> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> ---> iTunes Music Store (digital)
> www.cdbaby.com/perboysen
>
>
>
>


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 have you guy heard AAC plus?
 
I have heard some 24kbps sample that sounded amazing. I expect this = codec to be a big revolution in sound, appearing first on your phone.
 
 
 
 

-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 08/15/05 14:= 42:26
Subject: Re: OT: M= P3 Sites with Non-mainstream Artists
 
On Aug 15, 2005, at 23:21, mark sottilaro wrote:
 
> No.  I've gotten to LOVE listening to my music that
> way.  Mid way through a King Crimson song I get a
> hanker'n for Talking Heads?  While on a train? &= nbsp;No.
 
 
I can definitely understand that argument. But I wouldn't trade in
fidelity for it. If you buy your music as CDs and rip them by
yourself to iPod you can use a better AAC encoding than the 128 kbps=
that Apple uses.
 
Greetings from Sweden
 
Per Boysen
www.looproom.com (internatio= nal)
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
--->  iTunes Music Store (digital)
 
 
 
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by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C23CD3BF46; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 22:32:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:32:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Subject: Re: Re: bose pa speaker thingie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <6740572.1124145158027.JavaMail.root@vms070.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 22:32:42 +0000 (UTC) <> mark.....i'm so use to the ultra flat sound of my srm's that listening to other speakers i often hear a lot of "color".....i should have played thru these rather than listen to a cd, they had a system set up in another part of the store for this but i was a bit rushed, maybe next time.....my suggestion is to give them a listen.....it's almost the same as the i-pod=low fidelity discussion, i'm at a point in my life where i become less concerned about hi- fidelity (by the time the sound makes it thru the whine and buzz going on in my ears i'm just happy to not have to say "what did you say?").....i know my i-pod does not sound as good as a cd nor record but like you i'm in the garden listning to bo diddly, the beatles, ric walker, ted killian and astrud gilberto.....WTF!.....i never had a walkman or anything of this ilk and i am blown away by this tech.....per, are you saying that there could be a better way to input music into an i-pod or are you talking about a whole other system?.....i was thinking back to my very first record player around 1954, a little plastic thing, my have times changed, i am more amazed every day.....mic http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 15 22:45:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3CCD3BF3D; Mon, 15 Aug 2005 22:45:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Sr/onwXr+peq/MgvrgRaQ4q3fu5Ex1TsIYHHueQ7CQ1TldRZrWAeZSJv0ObQipu+QJGE7TCvKOsocpEMbaHRM+2MV7i7sJgsdwJMicR8eRsLEk7IFHJMuTDNbIPz8gv9cf+7is9iP+pyG80PsYt8/c5r0v7lFC/703NKxMY4Uyw= ; Message-ID: <20050815224543.90605.qmail@web50804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:45:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Wind Stick Devil Subject: Re: Re: bose pa speaker thingie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6740572.1124145158027.JavaMail.root@vms070.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-967815276-1124145942=:88581" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 22:45:44 +0000 (UTC) --0-967815276-1124145942=:88581 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit << i was thinking back to my very first record player around 1954, a little plastic thing >> Yeah, but what about those little transistor radios that folks used to press against their ears? I can remember listening to "You" by the Initials and being in hog heaven. Not to mention the Tokens' "The Lion Sleeps Tonight" and Joey D & the Starlighters' Peppermint Twist. nemoguitt@verizon.net wrote: <> mark.....i'm so use to the ultra flat sound of my srm's that listening to other speakers i often hear a lot of "color".....i should have played thru these rather than listen to a cd, they had a system set up in another part of the store for this but i was a bit rushed, maybe next time.....my suggestion is to give them a listen.....it's almost the same as the i-pod=low fidelity discussion, i'm at a point in my life where i become less concerned about hi- fidelity (by the time the sound makes it thru the whine and buzz going on in my ears i'm just happy to not have to say "what did you say?").....i know my i-pod does not sound as good as a cd nor record but like you i'm in the garden listning to bo diddly, the beatles, ric walker, ted killian and astrud gilberto.....WTF!.....i never had a walkman or anything of this ilk and i am blown away by this tech.....per, are you saying that there could be a better way to input music into an i-pod or are you talking about a whole other system?.....i was thinking back to my very first record player around 1954, a little plastic thing, my have times changed, i am more amazed every day.....mic http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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<< i was thinking back to my very first record player around
1954, a little plastic thing >>
 
Yeah, but what about those little transistor radios that folks used to press against their ears? I can remember listening to "You" by the Initials and being in hog heaven. Not to mention the Tokens' "The Lion Sleeps Tonight" and Joey D & the Starlighters' Peppermint Twist.

nemoguitt@verizon.net wrote:


<>

mark.....i'm so use to the ultra flat sound of my srm's that listening to
other speakers i often hear a lot of "color".....i should have played thru
these rather than listen to a cd, they had a system set up in another part of
the store for this but i was a bit rushed, maybe next time.....my suggestion
is to give them a listen.....it's almost the same as the i-pod=low fidelity
discussion, i'm at a point in my life where i become less concerned about hi-
fidelity (by the time the sound makes it thru the whine and buzz going on in
my ears i'm just happy to not have to say "what did you say?").....i know my
i-pod does not sound as good as a cd nor record but like you i'm in the garden
listning to bo diddly, the beatles, ric walker, ted killian and astrud
gilberto.....WTF!.....i never had a walkman or anything of this ilk and i am
blown away by this tech.....per, are you saying that there could be a better
way to input music into an i-pod or are you talking about a whole other
system?.....i was thinking back to my very first record player around 1954, a
little plastic thing, my have times changed, i am more amazed every
day.....mic

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-967815276-1124145942=:88581-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 02:14:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23ABF3BEFF; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 02:14:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: Subject: RE: Call it "Frisco" if I damn well wanna Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 22:19:53 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000001c5a208$fd010df0$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20050815191312.25E07C6135@ws7-5.us4.outblaze.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 02:14:03 +0000 (UTC) And don't call Toronto "TO". Actually - We don't care! For some reason we're also "Hogtown" so it's all uphill from there. Signing off from the Tdot... Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 02:35:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 645003BF11; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 02:35:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: Subject: RE: Re: bose pa speaker thingie Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 22:41:22 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000901c5a20b$fd30c920$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20050815224543.90605.qmail@web50804.mail.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 02:35:31 +0000 (UTC) << i was thinking back to my very first record player around=20 1954, a little plastic thing >> Yeah, but what about those little transistor radios that folks used to = press against their ears? I can remember listening to "You" by the Initials = and being in hog heaven. Not to mention the Tokens' "The Lion Sleeps = Tonight" and Joey D & the Starlighters' Peppermint Twist.=20 -------------- Mmmmmm - The memory of "I Can See For Miles" bouncing off the ionosphere from WABC in New York City and reaching the transistor radio crammed against my ear under the covers late at night (when those AM signals could reach Ottawa) and still awing me with its amazing production, is giving me a little buzz now... Cheers, Scott M2 http://www.dreamSTATE.to ambientelectronicsoundscapes http://www.THEAMBiENTPiNG.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 02:59:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86FF23BF0F; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 02:59:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02b601c5a20e$8b6ceaa0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: bose pa speaker thingie Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:59:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 02:59:38 +0000 (UTC) about the bose, Michael Klobuchar wrote: "the only problem was if you want to go stereo your lookin at close to $4000 for two speakes and 2 subs" Don't ever fall for the stereo subs gimmick. Bass and sub bass frequencies are omnidirectional. There is not stereo bass so there is no need to purchase two subwoofers. Even if you have different content in each speaker it won't be appreciable in the room. The other thing is that, at least to my ear (which is admittedly old and gig damaged) it is really hard to hear fidelity in sub bass sounds unless there is distortion (damn, I'm just waiting to have my pseudo science blasted away here by a post from Dr. Z.......:-( Consequently, I use expenseive Mackie powered mains but I actually use an inexpensivehome stereo subwoofer for my gigs (when I haul it all out, because the Mackies do go down to 40 cycles with impunity. I just went to the local Circuit City and bought a $200 cube subwoofer that played just loud enough for the gigs that I normally play. I used it at my CD release party for my abstract electronica CD, Purple Hand and I thought it sounded awesome at the ATTIC. Did anyone else notice the sound quality at that rather huge and boomy room? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 03:58:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6B793BEF8; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 03:58:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <9A046702-753E-4474-A299-05683E3943C1@boysen.se> References: <004801c5a128$1c0ec160$2101a8c0@alhambra> <9A046702-753E-4474-A299-05683E3943C1@boysen.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ed Drake Subject: OSX PC-1600v MIDI software Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 23:58:05 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 03:58:08 +0000 (UTC) Hey loopers, I've been using a Peavey 1600X to control my loopers and came across this software which is very helpful to program the damn thing! This PC-1600v is for Mac OS X and could also be used as a "virtual" PC-1600 MIDI controller from a laptop without the actual PC-1600x hardware. I know there are other PC-1600 users on the list so maybe it would be helpful for you too. It can be found at http://www.cd-romney.com/pc-1600v/ I'm not affiliated with Jason at all just a happy user. Back to your usual loop programming. Ed From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 04:05:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F002F3BF07; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 04:05:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: "'Looper's Delight'" Subject: Echoplex Pro sighting on eBay Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:05:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C5A1DD.0E8F8BE0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcWiF7nciiffwuQpRbKWxozs+Rm2ew== Message-Id: <20050816040531.NOQG17043.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 04:05:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C5A1DD.0E8F8BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi- Under $700 for the blackface-and the guy's got four of them! Be Andre LaFosse! http://cgi.ebay.com/Mint-Gibson-Echoplex-Guitar-Digital-Delay-Loop-Sampler_W 0QQitemZ7342698880QQcategoryZ101974QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Note: the above link is probably split at the wrong place for you to simply click. The EDP is the looping device with the most possibilities for self expression-right? Gary ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C5A1DD.0E8F8BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi—

Under $700 for the blackface—and the = guy’s got four of them!  Be Andre LaFosse!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Mint-Gibson-Echoplex-Guitar-Digital-Delay= -Loop-Sampler_W0QQitemZ7342698880QQcategoryZ101974QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1= QQcmdZViewItem

Note:  the above link is probably split at the = wrong place for you to simply click.

The EDP is the looping device with the most = possibilities for self expression—right?

Gary

------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C5A1DD.0E8F8BE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 04:06:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BA3D3BF0F; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 04:06:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex Pro sighting on eBay Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:06:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 In-Reply-To: <20050816040531.NOQG17043.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Thread-Index: AcWiF7nciiffwuQpRbKWxozs+Rm2ewAABv/A Message-Id: <20050816040654.KIDZ19494.fed1rmmtao06.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 04:06:57 +0000 (UTC) Oops--sent it as HTML Made the link stick together tho Peace out From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 04:10:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CE083BF08; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 04:10:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=njtx6CmDwowcjvUbi6BUv9NzscbB77JHs7ga0yEqD7HuBL+rUZHNWCFKuW+7gATKvRc9xc7vKHnksQ0FxhOhHiJKxrVEOPINqjqTt/5WJTYkcRRcM7/JGDgN+ocZSv2hfBD0yToOdxVSm/ABDnXNplnMy2KrbmgxXH3TT1Dr9dk= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:10:13 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex Pro sighting on eBay In-Reply-To: <20050816040531.NOQG17043.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050816040531.NOQG17043.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 04:10:15 +0000 (UTC) Tm90ZTogRURQJ3MgaGF2ZSBhIHN3aXRjaGFibGUgcG93ZXIgc3VwcGx5LCB5b3UganVzdCBmbGlw IGEgc3dpdGNoIG9uCnRoZSBiYWNrIGFuZCBnZXQgYSBwbHVnIGFkYXB0b3IgZm9yIHdoYXRldmVy IGNvdW50cnkgeW91J3JlIGluLiAgVGhlCnNlbGxlciBhcHBlYXJzIHRvIGJlIGEgbGl0dGxlIGNv bmZ1c2VkIG9uIHRoYXQgYXNwZWN0LgoKVHJhdmlzSAoKT24gOC8xNS8wNSwgR2FyeSBMZWhtYW5u IDxocXJAY294Lm5ldD4gd3JvdGU6Cj4gIAo+ICAKPiAKPiBIaZcgCj4gCj4gVW5kZXIgJDcwMCBm b3IgdGhlIGJsYWNrZmFjZZdhbmQgdGhlIGd1eSdzIGdvdCBmb3VyIG9mIHRoZW0hICBCZSBBbmRy ZQo+IExhRm9zc2UhIAo+IAo+IGh0dHA6Ly9jZ2kuZWJheS5jb20vTWludC1HaWJzb24tRWNob3Bs ZXgtR3VpdGFyLURpZ2l0YWwtRGVsYXktTG9vcC1TYW1wbGVyX1cwUVFpdGVtWjczNDI2OTg4ODBR UWNhdGVnb3J5WjEwMTk3NFFRc3NQYWdlTmFtZVpXRFZXUVFyZFoxUVFjbWRaVmlld0l0ZW0K From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 04:11:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D3533BF11; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 04:11:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.200] X-Originating-Email: [tarbit@hotmail.com] X-Sender: tarbit@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050816040531.NOQG17043.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> From: "Louis Rossi" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Echoplex Pro sighting on eBay Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 00:11:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2005 04:11:16.0747 (UTC) FILETIME=[8C58C5B0:01C5A218] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 04:11:18 +0000 (UTC) Any looping device has the most possibilities for self expression! >From: "Gary Lehmann" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "'Looper's Delight'" >Subject: Echoplex Pro sighting on eBay >Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:05:24 -0700 > >Hi- > >Under $700 for the blackface-and the guy's got four of them! Be Andre >LaFosse! > >http://cgi.ebay.com/Mint-Gibson-Echoplex-Guitar-Digital-Delay-Loop-Sampler_W >0QQitemZ7342698880QQcategoryZ101974QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >Note: the above link is probably split at the wrong place for you to >simply >click. > >The EDP is the looping device with the most possibilities for self >expression-right? > >Gary > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 04:12:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC4483BF0C; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 04:12:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Vep89fPYCWkl8BRa04TzMjW1EktwcMzBf+5JHDRPvGaYBSMoNuclsIExwxqkMjmLE8uU+iQTOd2y9MPB8m0YfOTXaOKoGtxS2eQPYwGHBl0aHSFPFhggos9PM4DJH9VY/dMigfonhKjdKozP9P8F0qtcGUt+nj72O9jKX/IkHaA= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:12:53 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bose pa speaker thingie In-Reply-To: <02b601c5a20e$8b6ceaa0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <02b601c5a20e$8b6ceaa0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 04:12:54 +0000 (UTC) Maybe I'm just weird, but I've never found bass to omnidirectional.=20 Less directional than higher frequencies, okay, but it takes a lot less than a gun to my head to figure out where the bass is coming from when I see a band play. On 8/15/05, loop.pool wrote: > about the bose, Michael Klobuchar wrote: > "the only problem was if you want to go stereo > your lookin at close to $4000 for two speakes and 2 subs" > Don't ever fall for the stereo subs gimmick. Bass and sub bass frequenc= ies > are omnidirectional. There is not stereo bass so there is no need to > purchase two subwoofers. Even if you have different content in each > speaker it won't be appreciable in the room. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 04:13:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A1163BF14; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 04:13:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xmTipAlaS50yVCEoSIzheOVb1Q+0/P1oOykAx2r5CDzr9/TBloMgdbeR2Q7tDRwiHfg+n3EiwSP0qtA4S+QCbGW5JRhzkEmF9t4l/hMK8NIgf579aD5BrRERjoN7efvd7wVC/7DGhvfj5UU/dc3/bLyeTW0JU9h7YAo6kVtZNyE= ; Message-ID: <20050816041352.30574.qmail@web32510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:13:52 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: Echoplex Pro sighting on eBay To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050816040531.NOQG17043.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-72567873-1124165632=:30509" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 04:13:53 +0000 (UTC) --0-72567873-1124165632=:30509 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit good lookin out Gary. im a little wary of such extravagance on e-bay...have you bought gear second hand from e-bay?of course im paranoid,i dont even trust ac power Gary Lehmann wrote: Hi— Under $700 for the blackface—and the guy’s got four of them! Be Andre LaFosse! http://cgi.ebay.com/Mint-Gibson-Echoplex-Guitar-Digital-Delay-Loop-Sampler_W0QQitemZ7342698880QQcategoryZ101974QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Note: the above link is probably split at the wrong place for you to simply click. The EDP is the looping device with the most possibilities for self expression—right? Gary __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-72567873-1124165632=:30509 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
good lookin out Gary.
im a little wary of such extravagance on e-bay...have you bought gear second hand from e-bay?of course im paranoid,i dont even trust ac power

Gary Lehmann <hqr@cox.net> wrote:

Hi—

Under $700 for the blackface—and the guy’s got four of them!  Be Andre LaFosse!

http://cgi.ebay.com/Mint-Gibson-Echoplex-Guitar-Digital-Delay-Loop-Sampler_W0QQitemZ7342698880QQcategoryZ101974QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Note:  the above link is probably split at the wrong place for you to simply click.

The EDP is the looping device with the most possibilities for self expression—right?

Gary

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-72567873-1124165632=:30509-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 04:23:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02FDC3BF0F; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 04:23:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3tFiffl6JoXOXX5zk6/MgLretUpnwD/BWYNXZKuhsr/Kod6AjzDlIUYBzNCtHujugEu93b305phLDyE102CuFszKsAUlqnfOxrx4egBMwOi3Q+s1NOBKiebnxFQFH+0X5C26J43Azf2+pCUBa7nEZLk/WtnEeS24iOmOMOAzwqY= ; Message-ID: <20050816042336.32322.qmail@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 21:23:35 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: bose pa speaker thingie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1474262274-1124166215=:31148" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 04:23:36 +0000 (UTC) --0-1474262274-1124166215=:31148 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit good point, yet i find a well placed sub will fill a room most excellent.like a home theater set up.in the dark you cant tell where the sub is,especially watchin the lord of the rings(howard shore rocks)man i wish i could talk like an ent...barry white aint got nuttin on an ent scary Travis Hartnett wrote: Maybe I'm just weird, but I've never found bass to omnidirectional. Less directional than higher frequencies, okay, but it takes a lot less than a gun to my head to figure out where the bass is coming from when I see a band play. On 8/15/05, loop.pool wrote: > about the bose, Michael Klobuchar wrote: > "the only problem was if you want to go stereo > your lookin at close to $4000 for two speakes and 2 subs" > Don't ever fall for the stereo subs gimmick. Bass and sub bass frequencies > are omnidirectional. There is not stereo bass so there is no need to > purchase two subwoofers. Even if you have different content in each > speaker it won't be appreciable in the room. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1474262274-1124166215=:31148 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

good point,
yet i find a well placed sub will fill a room most excellent.like a home theater set up.in the dark you cant tell where the sub is,especially watchin the lord of the rings(howard shore rocks)man i wish i could talk like an ent...barry white aint got nuttin on an ent
scary
Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe I'm just weird, but I've never found bass to omnidirectional.
Less directional than higher frequencies, okay, but it takes a lot
less than a gun to my head to figure out where the bass is coming from
when I see a band play.

On 8/15/05, loop.pool wrote:
> about the bose, Michael Klobuchar wrote:
> "the only problem was if you want to go stereo
> your lookin at close to $4000 for two speakes and 2 subs"
> Don't ever fall for the stereo subs gimmick. Bass and sub bass frequencies
> are omnidirectional. There is not stereo bass so there is no need to
> purchase two subwoofers. Even if you have different content in each
> speaker it won't be appreciable in the room.

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1474262274-1124166215=:31148-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 05:05:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE7B83BF08; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 05:05:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: Used gear on eBay Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 22:05:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20050816041352.30574.qmail@web32510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcWiGOtEY2BL+jDGTjGrE1seCoQeQQABp9fA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Message-Id: <20050816050541.MLBW3209.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 05:05:43 +0000 (UTC) eBay has been a great source of used gear for me--as well as hard to find music. When I have received an item that didn't live up to the posting, the sellers were happy to make the deal right. I have bought AND sold EDPs on eBay--and $700 is a pretty good price--the guy claims they are mint. Gary Daniel Stevenson wrote: Have you bought gear second hand from e-bay? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 05:13:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD5F43BEF8; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 05:13:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <20050816050541.MLBW3209.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> References: <20050816050541.MLBW3209.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@Desktop2002> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-15--167020326 Message-Id: <4628BA0A-D745-404F-B55A-F87C2B9D0E00@midway.uchicago.edu> From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Used gear on eBay Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 00:11:07 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 05:13:40 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-15--167020326 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > eBay has been a great source of used gear for me ditto...I was browsing used gear on ebay when this email came in. ;) > --as well as hard to find > music. yup... Speaking of ebay, if anyone knows someone who has a Ibanez JS3 "Donnie" guitar they might sell, please get in touch. But I won't pay stoopid money like this guy is asking: http://tinyurl.com/bj2d5 Jeff --Apple-Mail-15--167020326 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1


eBay has been a great source of used gear for = me

ditto...I was browsing used gear = on ebay when this email came in. ;)

--as well as hard to = find
music.=A0

yup...

Speaking of ebay, if anyone = knows someone who has a Ibanez JS3 "Donnie" guitar they might sell, = please get in touch. But I won't pay stoopid money like this guy is = asking:


Jeff

= --Apple-Mail-15--167020326-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 05:51:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D929F3BF08; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 05:51:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009d01c5a226$98471760$6401a8c0@BESPC1> From: "Barry Silverman" To: Cc: References: <003a01c5a02f$69dbb280$6401a8c0@BESPC1> Subject: Re: EDP Brother Sync Question Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 22:51:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 05:51:14 +0000 (UTC) Hi Matthias - thanks for the response. I have a few responses to your responses - please see below. I know this is going to be a little texty but I have decided to leave it all in in case anyone else wants to follow along. The new responses are proceeded by "B-". ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthias Grob" To: Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 3:22 AM Subject: Re: EDP Brother Sync Question > Barry, > >>Hi Kim and all other EDP users - Would you mind answering a brother sync >>question for me? I have a newer EDP Pro Plus and my partner has an EDP >>Pro with max RAM and Loop IV. I am having trouble getting brother sync to >>work at all. I have a TRS stereo cable (new cable) connecting them b-sync >>to b-sync. And both are set to Sync=Out. I do NOT have a MIDI cable >>running between them. > > all correct > >> I follow the instructions in the manual to the letter but never see the >> sync LED flash in the second unit (no matter which initiates the master >> loop) and never see the ooo in the display indicating that the slave unit >> is waiting for a sync pulse. > > seems you are reading the Loop 3 manual > you should see the overdub LED become brown at the first sync and then the > time of the master on the slaves display after the second sync pulse. B- I don't think it is the Loop 3 Manual. Brand new echoplex (I traded up) and the manual though un-dated, says Digital Pro Plus. I looked at the Aurisys Loop IV upgrade manual (from their website) but couldn't find anything pertinent. Do you know where I can find the newer manual online if this isn't it? > if this does not happen with the stereo cable and Sync=Out, I guess you > have a HW problem :-( > >>Any idea why this might be happening? We are desperately anxious to get >>this working as it is one of the main reason my partner traded up to an >>Echoplex. Any ideas or suggestions? >> >>Finally, assuming I am able to resolve the first issue, can anyone give me >>more insight into how brother sync handles multiple loops? For example, if >>I have moreloops=2 on the master, but only 1 on the slave, will they still >>sync up and what happens when the master switches to loop 2? Do I have to >>set the slave in advance to the same number of loops as the master? > > no > but if the loops dont have the same lenght they obviously fall apart. > so either you make them the same length with Next- Overdub, Next-Mulitply, > Next-Insert, or NextCopy=time/Snd > or you do ReAlign when you are back to the loop you want to be synced. B- I think I understand. The re-align function looks useful. > -- > > > ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 08:49:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D7663BF02; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:49:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <009601c5a035$32c80f90$2101a8c0@alhambra> References: <009601c5a035$32c80f90$2101a8c0@alhambra> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8541E5CE-1D22-4412-B932-EF14F6604A9B@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Lost mail - resend eventual private msgs Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:49:23 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:49:30 +0000 (UTC) Hi, If someone mailed me privately today or yesterday, please resend. One =20= computer just fried the video card directly after fetching mail and I =20= will probably not get the time to sort it out before coming back from =20= Z=FCrich. Sorry for the OT. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 09:03:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37E233BEE2; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:03:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=inDHx7X+EiNqU+Kqi8IrkRVt1MXhBFq+a9oF9HaSj2oU1PI02ItUzFHtgSZyspF4+/TMbI+Cwld9s01ej3Imgxcdma2Ug+JjE6sn55T67wYaICqke3K3CkoZxHHQlhWsny79481m9+Jqqf7EwuI2APL+6UtWTXbJgaiapaG2jso= ; Message-ID: <20050816090320.97324.qmail@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 02:03:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: bose pa speaker thingie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_WdRp.A.z5H.ZvaADB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:03:22 +0000 (UTC) There's a bit of equivocation in the terminology here: bass (meaning that part of the frequency range from below the 20 Hz threshold of hearing and only going up a few hundred Hz) IS omnidirectional. But bass (meaning the total sound produced by bass instruments) contains a whole lot of higher harmonics, which are indeed directional. So bass as reproduced by a sub tends to fill the room evenly, while at the same time it's easy to find the bass player's amp, especially if he likes Rickenbackers. :) -t- --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > Maybe I'm just weird, but I've never found bass to > omnidirectional. > Less directional than higher frequencies, okay, but > it takes a lot > less than a gun to my head to figure out where the > bass is coming from > when I see a band play. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 10:28:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B4A53BF06; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:28:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <028001c5a24d$1fcb5d10$ff525651@homemain> From: "Dan Mayfield" To: References: <004801c5a128$1c0ec160$2101a8c0@alhambra> <9A046702-753E-4474-A299-05683E3943C1@boysen.se> Subject: Re: new utility converts midi to key strokes Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:27:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: <1Ra2DB.A.biB.8-bADB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:28:13 +0000 (UTC) Well spotted Per, this is just maybe what I'm looking for Cheers Dan www.danmayfield.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 2:48 PM Subject: OSX: new utility converts midi to key strokes > Just a tip. Quoting the web site: >> midiStroke converts midi note messages into keystrokes. Any single >> note can trigger as many keystrokes as you like, in order. > > http://www.charlie-roberts.com/midiStroke/ > > We discussed similar software for Windows in the Kid Beyond thread. > Now also OSX musicians can use any MIDI foot pedals to generate > computer key strokes. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 10:40:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F169C3BF06; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:40:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=IAdJfH7K7SbQ5DPvcMz7fdph0HuB+MyQGwKBvG8+2GErA/8yDPnxHEOqWBUrEXd08+Vf/dWPNWQWYkrRtyFy8wEBG8yUh5/t+ZuFaC1cFHO1Jnr5WoR5x/jIR2ZrgCV2QdBZy6Lr6qp/0HOzNF0GOAlN7G5V9grhqnfbHYC5i90= ; Message-ID: <01dd01c5a24e$d0cb7270$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: Cc: "Hartung, Kris" References: <5FB4D654FA948E4EAE2FB6AC0221A20B01330F1C@idbexc02.americas.cpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Upcoming Looping CD Updates Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:39:30 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01DA_01C5A25F.8BC69F90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:40:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01DA_01C5A25F.8BC69F90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Upcoming Looping CD UpdatesWhen do you sleep? LOL Ben ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Hartung, Kris=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com ; = boisemusicians@yahoogroups.com ; krispenhartung@yahoogroups.com=20 Cc: Hartung, Kris=20 Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 7:56 PM Subject: Upcoming Looping CD Updates Hello Folks!=20 I'd like to report on the progress of two exciting, upcoming looping = and improvisational CDs.=20 The first project is my new solo CD, entitled "Descent to Self." Here = is the preliminary project description, which will undergo some minor = modifications and refinements: "Descent to Self is a musical exploration of ideas inspired by themes = such as theoretical physics, science fiction, mathematics, and = philosophy. By means of real-time looping technology, Krispen Hartung = weaves an avant-garde and improvisational tapestry of sounds that are = colorful, innovative, and mood provoking. This instrumental work = showcases Hartung's ability to fuse avant-garde jazz, experimental, and = ambient music into a multi-faceted musical experience."=20 The CD is a mixture of improvised and computer-based studio = compositions, jam packed with 17 songs and almost 80 minutes of music. = It will release and go on sale physically in the November or December = timeframe. However, I have decided to pre-release the CD now in digital = format only. You can view the CD artwork, download/play the entire CD in = MP3 format here: http://www.krispenhartung.com/descent (how do you like = the high resolution image my retina? Thanks to Idaho Eyecare Center for = that one!) The second project I am leading is entitled "Xperimentus" and is so = exciting and mind blowing that I can't even contain myself. Here is the = preliminary project description, which will also undergo modifications = and refinements: "Xperimentus is a series of experimental and avant-garde duo = compositions by Krispen Hartung and 13 other musicians from the = international Looper's Delight discussion group and community. Each = composition is a duo composed virtually and in collaboration over the = internet by Hartung and these amazingly creative and awe-inspiring = musicians." The members of this project are as follows:=20 Krispen Hartung (USA) - Acoustic & electric guitars, sitar, sound = engineering, and project management=20 David Coffin (USA) - Guitar=20 Benoit Ruelle (Belgium) - bass, guitar, keys and a bit of drums=20 Simeon Harris (UK) - Guitar=20 Paul Mimlitsch (USA) - Guitar=20 Mark Francombe (Norway) - Guitar=20 Fabio Anile (Italy) - Keyboard, Electronics=20 Tony K (USA) - Guitar, Bass, Mandolin, Synths, Bongos, Electronic = Drums=20 Clint Allen (USA) - Chapman Stick, Bass, Guitar=20 Sony Felberg (USA, Seattle) - Found Sound composer/ACID=20 Ted Killian (USA) - Guitar=20 Scott Hansen (USA) - Guitar=20 Vincent Miresse (USA) - Didjeridu, percussion=20 Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill (Germany) - keys, bits of = electric (bass) guitar and saxophone, whimsical electronics=20 Pending: Sheila Olson and Max Valentino=20 This CD will also go on sale in the November of December timeframe, = and I will be consulting with the group on whether we will pre-release = it digitally. We are currently over 60% done with the CD and the = results so far are out of this world. It has been an astronomical = privilege for me to collaborate with the above players in a virtual = environment, integrate our playing styles, etc. I expect, or at least = hope that this CD will be received well among our peers. Cheers,=20 = *************************************************************************= ***************=20 Krispen Hartung=20 http://www.krispenhartung.com=20 info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603=20 ------=_NextPart_000_01DA_01C5A25F.8BC69F90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Upcoming Looping CD Updates
When do you sleep? LOL
 
Ben
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Hartung,=20 Kris
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20 ; boisemusicians@yahoogroups= .com=20 ; krispenhartung@yahoogroups= .com=20
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 = 7:56=20 PM
Subject: Upcoming Looping CD=20 Updates

Hello = Folks!

I'd like to report = on the progress=20 of two exciting, upcoming looping and improvisational CDs. =

The first project is = my new solo=20 CD, entitled "Descent to Self."  Here is the preliminary = project=20 description, which will undergo some minor modifications and=20 refinements:

"Descent to Self = is a musical=20 exploration of ideas inspired by themes such as theoretical physics, = science=20 fiction, mathematics, and philosophy. By means of real-time looping=20 technology, Krispen Hartung weaves an avant-garde and improvisational = tapestry=20 of sounds that are colorful, innovative, and mood provoking. This = instrumental=20 work showcases Hartung's ability to fuse avant-garde jazz, = experimental, and=20 ambient music into a multi-faceted musical experience." =

The CD is a mixture = of improvised=20 and computer-based studio compositions, jam packed with 17 songs and = almost 80=20 minutes of music. It will release and go on sale physically in the = November or=20 December timeframe. However, I have decided to pre-release the CD now = in=20 digital format only. You can view the CD artwork, download/play the = entire CD=20 in MP3 format here: http://www.krispenhartung.com/descent  (how do you like the = high resolution=20 image my retina?  Thanks to Idaho Eyecare Center for that=20 one!)

The second project I = am leading is=20 entitled "Xperimentus" and is so exciting and mind blowing that I = can't even=20 contain myself. Here is the preliminary project description, which = will also=20 undergo modifications and refinements:

"Xperimentus is a = series of=20 experimental and avant-garde duo compositions by Krispen Hartung and = 13 other=20 musicians from the international Looper=92s Delight discussion group = and=20 community. Each composition is a duo composed virtually and in = collaboration=20 over the internet by Hartung and these amazingly creative and = awe-inspiring=20 musicians."

The members of this = project are as=20 follows:

Krispen Hartung = (USA) - Acoustic=20 & electric guitars, sitar, sound engineering, and project=20 management
David=20 Coffin (USA) - Guitar
Benoit Ruelle (Belgium) - bass, guitar, keys and a bit of=20 drums
Simeon Harris=20 (UK) - Guitar
Paul=20 Mimlitsch (USA) - Guitar
Mark Francombe (Norway) - Guitar
Fabio Anile (Italy) - = Keyboard,=20 Electronics
Tony K=20 (USA) - Guitar, Bass, Mandolin, Synths, Bongos, Electronic = Drums=20
Clint Allen (USA) - = Chapman=20 Stick, Bass, Guitar
Sony Felberg (USA, Seattle) - Found Sound = composer/ACID=20
Ted Killian (USA) - = Guitar
Scott Hansen=20 (USA) - Guitar
Vincent Miresse (USA) - Didjeridu, percussion =
Rainer Thelonius Balthasar = Straschill=20 (Germany) - keys, bits of electric (bass) guitar and saxophone, = whimsical=20 electronics

Pending: = Sheila Olson and Max Valentino =

This CD will also go = on sale in=20 the November of December timeframe, and I will be consulting with the = group on=20 whether we will pre-release it digitally.   We are currently = over=20 60% done with the CD and the results so far are out of this = world.  It=20 has been an astronomical privilege for me to collaborate with the = above=20 players in a virtual environment, integrate our playing styles, etc. I = expect,=20 or at least hope that this CD will be received well among our=20 peers.

Cheers,

****************************************************************= ************************=20
Krispen = Hartung=20
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com / = 208-724-5603=20






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Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 12:26:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D36843BF07; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:26:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4301DB2F.8010207@soundscapes.us> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:25:19 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bose pa speaker thingie References: <20050815203202.A923F3BF21@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20050815203202.A923F3BF21@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-36fdC.A.wJF.vtdADB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:26:23 +0000 (UTC) Bill Edmondson wrote: > Then there's the actual cost of the gear that you're lugging around on top > of all of that labor. It ain't cheap! True, but we'd pay for that any way. Wouldn't we? Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 12:28:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 809943BF0B; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:28:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 7f4c12d706afec0ecbf3009a0ffdaf6d Received-SPF: none (mubende.terra.com.br: 200.176.10.8 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of grob.org) client-ip=200.176.10.8; envelope-from=matthias@grob.org; helo=[80.242.202.242]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <009d01c5a226$98471760$6401a8c0@BESPC1> References: <003a01c5a02f$69dbb280$6401a8c0@BESPC1> <009d01c5a226$98471760$6401a8c0@BESPC1> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:23:30 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP Brother Sync Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:28:23 +0000 (UTC) >>Barry, >> >>>Hi Kim and all other EDP users - Would you mind answering a >>>brother sync question for me? I have a newer EDP Pro Plus and my >>>partner has an EDP Pro with max RAM and Loop IV. I am having >>>trouble getting brother sync to work at all. I have a TRS stereo >>>cable (new cable) connecting them b-sync to b-sync. And both are >>>set to Sync=Out. I do NOT have a MIDI cable running between them. >> >>all correct >> >>> I follow the instructions in the manual to the letter but never >>>see the sync LED flash in the second unit (no matter which >>>initiates the master loop) and never see the ooo in the display >>>indicating that the slave unit is waiting for a sync pulse. >> >>seems you are reading the Loop 3 manual >>you should see the overdub LED become brown at the first sync and >>then the time of the master on the slaves display after the second >>sync pulse. > >B- I don't think it is the Loop 3 Manual. Brand new echoplex (I >traded up) and the manual though un-dated, says Digital Pro Plus. I >looked at the Aurisis Loop IV upgrade manual (from their website) >but couldn't find anything pertinent. Do you know where I can find >the newer manual online if this isn't it? ah, ok, seems you got the new fat one. in loop4 you can also get the ooo if you go to quantize and if you dont see those leds and numbers I mention, its not syncing, which is que question here... >>if this does not happen with the stereo cable and Sync=Out, I guess >>you have a HW problem :-( >> >>>Any idea why this might be happening? We are desperately anxious >>>to get this working as it is one of the main reason my partner >>>traded up to an Echoplex. Any ideas or suggestions? >>> >>>Finally, assuming I am able to resolve the first issue, can anyone >>>give me more insight into how brother sync handles multiple loops? >>>For example, if I have moreloops=2 on the master, but only 1 on >>>the slave, will they still sync up and what happens when the >>>master switches to loop 2? Do I have to set the slave in advance >>>to the same number of loops as the master? >> >>no >>but if the loops dont have the same lenght they obviously fall apart. >>so either you make them the same length with Next- Overdub, >>Next-Mulitply, Next-Insert, or NextCopy=time/Snd >>or you do ReAlign when you are back to the loop you want to be synced. > >B- I think I understand. The re-align function looks useful. yes! Claude Voit's idea! -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 12:28:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 711043BF0F; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:28:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Terra-Karma: -2% X-Terra-Hash: 33191b70f8fd4c8c02e0d83758e218c7 Received-SPF: none (mubende.terra.com.br: 200.176.10.8 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of grob.org) client-ip=200.176.10.8; envelope-from=matthias@grob.org; helo=[80.242.202.242]; Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: matthias@grob.org@pop.grob.org Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20050816090320.97324.qmail@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050816090320.97324.qmail@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:28:10 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Matthias Grob Subject: Re: omnidirectional (was: bose pa speaker thingie) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:28:24 +0000 (UTC) an other missunderstanding is about omnidirectional - omnipresent: if a source distributes in all directions you can still hear where it is. now, if a wave has no attack, we usually cannot localize it, even if its a high frequency. And the very low bass range is nearly such a wave also, some get the idea that omnidirectional means it does not matter where you put the speaker, which is really wrong because the closer you get to it the louder it is, independent of frequency or directionality! >There's a bit of equivocation in the terminology here: >bass (meaning that part of the frequency range from >below the 20 Hz threshold of hearing and only going up >a few hundred Hz) IS omnidirectional. But bass >(meaning the total sound produced by bass instruments) >contains a whole lot of higher harmonics, which are >indeed directional. > >So bass as reproduced by a sub tends to fill the room >evenly, while at the same time it's easy to find the >bass player's amp, especially if he likes >Rickenbackers. :) > >-t- > >--- Travis Hartnett wrote: > >> Maybe I'm just weird, but I've never found bass to >> omnidirectional. >> Less directional than higher frequencies, okay, but >> it takes a lot >> less than a gun to my head to figure out where the >> bass is coming from > > when I see a band play. -- ---> http://Matthias.Grob.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 12:43:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B30E23BF06; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:43:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: OSX PC-1600v MIDI software Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:42:19 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OSX PC-1600v MIDI software Thread-Index: AcWiFo7QwLKti9OKRimRawDtR1+iXQASDBTQ From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Aug 2005 12:42:19.0667 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0DF0E30:01C5A25F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:43:33 +0000 (UTC) For Windows users, in case anyone is unaware of it, PvC is a great editor for the PC-1600. It doesn't emulate, though. I programmed my PC1600x last week to send button press/release messages to the EDP for rev, 1/2speed, etc. Next step is to investigate assigning sysex strings to emulate button presses in order to change Quantize with a single press, or perhaps assign the range of options to a fader. With no practice, I found my rather small toes (shoe size 7) can tap the PC1600x buttons and move the faders with some accuracy. A few weeks of doing this daily ought to make it pretty reliable, though I won't claim it to be a substitute for truly stompable buttons or an expression pedal.=20 Hal -----Original Message----- From: Ed Drake [mailto:eddrake1@comcast.net]=20 Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 11:58 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OSX PC-1600v MIDI software Hey loopers, I've been using a Peavey 1600X to control my loopers and came across=20 this software which is very helpful to program the damn thing! This=20 PC-1600v is for Mac OS X and could also be used as a "virtual" PC-1600=20 MIDI controller from a laptop without the actual PC-1600x hardware. I know there are other PC-1600 users on the list so=20 maybe it would be helpful for you too. It can be found at http://www.cd-romney.com/pc-1600v/ I'm not affiliated with Jason at all just a happy user. Back to your usual loop programming. Ed From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 13:18:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 751AC3BF11; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:18:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PS0YNgr46HQboDFqzp8UE12bhWIEy04azbl1iE0fA9KQt8GtMGmGqL5z3UktWOvnQABX4nlLFeRYH4WRlG9bcRPT5RcX4+JWEMpUrfrqTaHDSZanrqb5uNYmZ50CORfUi0TDwHfeENbDJILqh5AdO0ULNUjb+i+hUg00FegbtW8= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:18:40 -0500 From: Jon Southwood To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bose pa speaker thingie In-Reply-To: <02b601c5a20e$8b6ceaa0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <02b601c5a20e$8b6ceaa0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:18:43 +0000 (UTC) On 8/15/05, loop.pool wrote: > is distortion (damn, I'm just waiting to have my pseudo science blasted a= way > here by a post from Dr. Z.......:-( Rick, Ask and ye shall receive...Below I have copied a message received from Dr. Z when we were having a discussion about surround looping back in May. I have included the part of my message he quoted for context. Cheers, Jon Southwood P.S. I never had the pleasure of meeting Dr. Z in person, just via e-mails through LD or the occasional off-list continuation of something started on LD. I was saddened by the news of his passing and watched in wonder as my cynical view of the 'net as social structure with the aftermath of that new (through my own reaction as well as the many messages to this list). I just hope that someone close to him was able to read all the wonderful messages posted in his honor. OK, on with Dr. Z's take on multi-subs: At 1:14 PM -0500 5/20/05, Jon Southwood wrote: >>Regarding the 10.2 and the 16.8.1, I have to ask a potentially >>stupid question: >> >>I was always under the impression (having it read it many times) that >>the low frequencies for which a subwoofer is designed to reproduce are >>not 'directional'. By that, I mean (in case my terminology is off >>[likely]) that one cannot determine the direction from which the low >>frequencies came, or rather one cannot 'locate' the source of the low >>frequencies. > >I don't agree with this "truism" about bass having no directionality. >It's simply more difficult to localize bass frequencies, but given >that you hear bass with your whole body I think you can perceive >where different bass sounds are coming from. > >In a complex system with many speakers I think it works pretty well >to use multiple subs. This is especially true in a listening >environment such as a club where the audience is free to circulate. > >Also be aware that in a specialized setup the crossover frequency >could be tweaked to suit the combination of speakers and architecture. > >______________________________________________________________ >Richard Zvonar, PhD >(818) 788-2202 >http://www.zvonar.com >http://salamandersongs.com >http://ill-wind.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 13:36:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB1FC3BF12; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:36:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000e01c5a267$7e201490$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: Subject: Re: OSX PC-1600v MIDI software Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:36:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: <5Jp69.A.VAB.ZveADB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:36:25 +0000 (UTC) For win http://www.kvitek.com/midi/ is also completely reliable simple to use and complete works also with the latest pc1600x version 2.21 Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 13:51:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3212B3BF1E; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:51:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000b01c5a269$890f3c30$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: Cc: "Matthias Grob" , "Bernhardt" Subject: OT: free upload folder ?? Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:50:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: <1AcxvB.A.a2B.F9eADB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:51:02 +0000 (UTC) Hi I'm looking for a place (WWW) where I could upload any file from my pc (wavs; mp3, pictures) , for others to pick up simple, fast to install and free Any idea links etc merci Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 14:10:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D89523BF1D; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:10:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001501c5a26c$4e2e1de0$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: Subject: Fw: OSX PC-1600v MIDI software erata Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:10:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: <2h5v1.A.cKD.rPfADB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:10:51 +0000 (UTC) latest version is 2.3 > For win http://www.kvitek.com/midi/ is also completely reliable simple to > use and complete > > works also with the latest pc1600x version 2.21 > > Claude > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 14:11:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DEBD13BF16; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:11:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: free upload folder ?? Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:11:40 -0600 Message-ID: <001601c5a26c$6c979bd0$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <000b01c5a269$890f3c30$0400000a@mini> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 4, First 129, in=398, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:11:42 +0000 (UTC) www.savefile.com (free)...but you need to keep the file active, or they will delete them eventually. OR for really cheap, you can go with the service I've been using for Xperimentus and all my MP3, videos, etc www.box.net Kris -----Original Message----- From: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:51 AM To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Matthias Grob; Bernhardt Subject: OT: free upload folder ?? Hi I'm looking for a place (WWW) where I could upload any file from my pc (wavs; mp3, pictures) , for others to pick up simple, fast to install and free Any idea links etc merci Claude From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 14:16:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A7763BF28; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:16:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Upcoming Looping CD Updates Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:16:27 -0600 Message-ID: <001701c5a26d$179c6e70$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C5A23A.CD01FE70" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <01dd01c5a24e$d0cb7270$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 129, in=422, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:16:30 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C5A23A.CD01FE70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > When do you sleep? LOL > Ben Never, after re-living the recurring "metaphysical nightmare" I used to experience as a child between the age of 2 and 3, which was the primary inspiration for "Descent to Self." I am no poet, so here is my frail and inept attempt at a philosophical poem depicting the dream, also on the inside sleeve of the CD: Beyond the dark.a childhood nightmare, Metaphysical dream of horror... I dread to close my eyes, each night, Wincing from its flashes of light It approaches, in undulating, inevitable terror. Center of my mind burns, hums with unbearable tonality, Tearing away all that which is not myself I compress. I condense. I fall into this Nothingness I contract as if a massless, dimensionless point, Tightening as if a knot, pulling relentlessly Until there is no space between the string I cry, try to comprehend my infant mind. I resign to this death each night I renew. I am defined by this Descent to Self http://www.krispenhartung.com/descent Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: Hartung, Kris To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com ; boisemusicians@yahoogroups.com ; krispenhartung@yahoogroups.com Cc: Hartung, Kris Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 7:56 PM Subject: Upcoming Looping CD Updates Hello Folks! I'd like to report on the progress of two exciting, upcoming looping and improvisational CDs. The first project is my new solo CD, entitled "Descent to Self." Here is the preliminary project description, which will undergo some minor modifications and refinements: "Descent to Self is a musical exploration of ideas inspired by themes such as theoretical physics, science fiction, mathematics, and philosophy. By means of real-time looping technology, Krispen Hartung weaves an avant-garde and improvisational tapestry of sounds that are colorful, innovative, and mood provoking. This instrumental work showcases Hartung's ability to fuse avant-garde jazz, experimental, and ambient music into a multi-faceted musical experience." The CD is a mixture of improvised and computer-based studio compositions, jam packed with 17 songs and almost 80 minutes of music. It will release and go on sale physically in the November or December timeframe. However, I have decided to pre-release the CD now in digital format only. You can view the CD artwork, download/play the entire CD in MP3 format here: http://www.krispenhartung.com/descent (how do you like the high resolution image my retina? Thanks to Idaho Eyecare Center for that one!) The second project I am leading is entitled "Xperimentus" and is so exciting and mind blowing that I can't even contain myself. Here is the preliminary project description, which will also undergo modifications and refinements: "Xperimentus is a series of experimental and avant-garde duo compositions by Krispen Hartung and 13 other musicians from the international Looper's Delight discussion group and community. Each composition is a duo composed virtually and in collaboration over the internet by Hartung and these amazingly creative and awe-inspiring musicians." The members of this project are as follows: Krispen Hartung (USA) - Acoustic & electric guitars, sitar, sound engineering, and project management David Coffin (USA) - Guitar Benoit Ruelle (Belgium) - bass, guitar, keys and a bit of drums Simeon Harris (UK) - Guitar Paul Mimlitsch (USA) - Guitar Mark Francombe (Norway) - Guitar Fabio Anile (Italy) - Keyboard, Electronics Tony K (USA) - Guitar, Bass, Mandolin, Synths, Bongos, Electronic Drums Clint Allen (USA) - Chapman Stick, Bass, Guitar Sony Felberg (USA, Seattle) - Found Sound composer/ACID Ted Killian (USA) - Guitar Scott Hansen (USA) - Guitar Vincent Miresse (USA) - Didjeridu, percussion Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill (Germany) - keys, bits of electric (bass) guitar and saxophone, whimsical electronics Pending: Sheila Olson and Max Valentino This CD will also go on sale in the November of December timeframe, and I will be consulting with the group on whether we will pre-release it digitally. We are currently over 60% done with the CD and the results so far are out of this world. It has been an astronomical privilege for me to collaborate with the above players in a virtual environment, integrate our playing styles, etc. I expect, or at least hope that this CD will be received well among our peers. Cheers, ************************************************************************ **************** Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C5A23A.CD01FE70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
 >=20  When do you sleep? LOL 
 > =  Ben 
 
Never, after=20 re-living the recurring "metaphysical nightmare" I used to = experience as a=20 child between the age of 2 and 3, which was the primary inspiration for = "Descent=20 to Self." I am no poet, so here is my frail and inept attempt at a = philosophical=20 poem depicting the dream, also on the inside sleeve of the=20 CD:
 
Beyond the=20 dark…a childhood nightmare,
Metaphysical dream of horror... =
I dread to=20 close my eyes, each night,
Wincing from its flashes of light
It=20 approaches, in undulating, inevitable terror…
Center of my = mind burns, hums=20 with unbearable tonality,
Tearing away all that which is not myself =
I=20 compress. I condense. I fall into this Nothingness
I contract as if = a=20 massless, dimensionless point,
Tightening as if a knot, pulling = relentlessly=20
Until there is no space between the string
I cry, try to = comprehend my=20 infant mind…
I resign to this death each night
I renew. I = am defined by=20 this Descent to Self
 
http://www.krispenhartung.com/descent=
 
Kris
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Hartung,=20 Kris
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20 ; boisemusicians@yahoogroups= .com=20 ; krispenhartung@yahoogroups= .com=20
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 = 7:56=20 PM
Subject: Upcoming Looping CD=20 Updates

Hello = Folks!

I'd like to report = on the=20 progress of two exciting, upcoming looping and improvisational CDs.=20

The first project = is my new solo=20 CD, entitled "Descent to Self."  Here is the preliminary = project=20 description, which will undergo some minor modifications and=20 refinements:

"Descent to = Self is a musical=20 exploration of ideas inspired by themes such as theoretical physics, = science=20 fiction, mathematics, and philosophy. By means of real-time looping=20 technology, Krispen Hartung weaves an avant-garde and = improvisational=20 tapestry of sounds that are colorful, innovative, and mood = provoking. This=20 instrumental work showcases Hartung's ability to fuse avant-garde = jazz,=20 experimental, and ambient music into a multi-faceted musical=20 experience."

The CD is a = mixture of=20 improvised and computer-based studio compositions, jam packed with = 17 songs=20 and almost 80 minutes of music. It will release and go on sale = physically in=20 the November or December timeframe. However, I have decided to = pre-release=20 the CD now in digital format only. You can view the CD artwork,=20 download/play the entire CD in MP3 format here: http://www.krispenhartung.com/descent  (how do you like the = high=20 resolution image my retina?  Thanks to Idaho Eyecare Center for = that=20 one!)

The second project = I am leading=20 is entitled "Xperimentus" and is so exciting and mind blowing that I = can't even=20 contain myself. Here is the preliminary project description, which = will also=20 undergo modifications and refinements:

"Xperimentus is = a series of=20 experimental and avant-garde duo compositions by Krispen Hartung and = 13=20 other musicians from the international Looper’s Delight = discussion group and=20 community. Each composition is a duo composed virtually and in = collaboration=20 over the internet by Hartung and these amazingly creative and = awe-inspiring=20 musicians."

The members of = this project are=20 as follows:

Krispen Hartung = (USA) - Acoustic=20 & electric guitars, sitar, sound engineering, and project=20 management
David=20 Coffin (USA) - Guitar
Benoit Ruelle (Belgium) - bass, guitar, keys and a bit of=20 drums
Simeon=20 Harris (UK) - Guitar
Paul Mimlitsch (USA) - Guitar
Mark Francombe (Norway) -=20 Guitar
Fabio=20 Anile (Italy) - Keyboard, Electronics
Tony K (USA) - Guitar, = Bass, Mandolin,=20 Synths, Bongos, Electronic Drums
Clint Allen (USA) - Chapman Stick, Bass,=20 Guitar
Sony=20 Felberg (USA, Seattle) - Found Sound composer/ACID =
Ted Killian (USA) - = Guitar=20
Scott Hansen = (USA) -=20 Guitar
Vincent=20 Miresse (USA) - Didjeridu, percussion
Rainer Thelonius Balthasar = Straschill=20 (Germany) - keys, bits of electric (bass) guitar and saxophone, = whimsical=20 electronics

Pending: = Sheila Olson and Max = Valentino

This CD will also = go on sale in=20 the November of December timeframe, and I will be consulting with = the group=20 on whether we will pre-release it digitally.   We are = currently=20 over 60% done with the CD and the results so far are out of this=20 world.  It has been an astronomical privilege for me to = collaborate=20 with the above players in a virtual environment, integrate our = playing=20 styles, etc. I expect, or at least hope that this CD will be = received well=20 among our peers.

Cheers,

****************************************************************= ************************=20
Krispen = Hartung=20
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com / = 208-724-5603=20






------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C5A23A.CD01FE70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 14:51:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C5E43BF15; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:51:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002801c5a271$f550bb00$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <001601c5a26c$6c979bd0$6601a8c0@khartung> Subject: Re: free upload folder ?? Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:51:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:51:21 +0000 (UTC) thanks I took the savefile service merci beaucoup Claude Subject: RE: free upload folder ?? > www.savefile.com (free)...but you need to keep the file active, or they > will delete them eventually. > > OR for really cheap, you can go with the service I've been using for > Xperimentus and all my MP3, videos, etc > > www.box.net > > Kris > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] > Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 7:51 AM > To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Cc: Matthias Grob; Bernhardt > Subject: OT: free upload folder ?? > > > Hi > > I'm looking for a place (WWW) where I could upload any file from my pc > (wavs; mp3, pictures) , for others to pick up > > simple, fast to install and free > > Any idea links etc > > merci > > Claude > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 15:10:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6412E3BF14; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:10:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:10:40 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OSX: new utility converts midi to key strokes In-Reply-To: <9A046702-753E-4474-A299-05683E3943C1@boysen.se> Message-ID: References: <004801c5a128$1c0ec160$2101a8c0@alhambra> <9A046702-753E-4474-A299-05683E3943C1@boysen.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:10:47 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for this, Per, looks interesting. Makes me think of almost an inverse of Steim's OS X application junXion that I'm using to construct a performance piece with. http://www.steim.org/steim/ http://www.steim.org/steim/junxion.html best, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ Fukadugalon, Laccoon On Mon, 15 Aug 2005, Per Boysen wrote: > Just a tip. Quoting the web site: >> midiStroke converts midi note messages into keystrokes. Any single note can >> trigger as many keystrokes as you like, in order. > > http://www.charlie-roberts.com/midiStroke/ > > We discussed similar software for Windows in the Kid Beyond thread. Now also > OSX musicians can use any MIDI foot pedals to generate computer key strokes. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.looproom.com (international) > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) > www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 15:21:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB47C3BF16; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:21:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=FTPSNpDWwdAUF+qaIWI8VlWWTYzQs/WEDCIrosTE2NgfvCB3uc0GZBzED7hW6CLsTGQs/9VPlSJq8Y3GBZw1Z1Fdh6w+W5m+xC8LRscrVuA8Hgs0lSk0I9OipSpmbukoSDP+vT5Oq17ctQjzQQRyuiRZKxbbsG/5KR8kjJMmY94= ; Message-ID: <20050816152103.82757.qmail@web50807.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 08:21:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Wind Stick Devil Subject: Re: OT: MP3 Sites with Non-mainstream Artists To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1130734192-1124205663=:81444" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:21:05 +0000 (UTC) --0-1130734192-1124205663=:81444 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks for all the replies. I do have most of the CD's (and albums) I'd like to archive. I started doing so in a minor way by just converting a few records into digital format files--actually wav's. 'Course can't fit that many wav files on a CD but I've been sequencing some of my old favorite songs. So, I take it there's an encoder on the 'net somewhere that converts to a higher MP3 resolution format. I do appreciate the comments re: fidelity. I've shied away from MP3's for the longest time. I always thought I could discern a lack of fidelity with MP3 files. It's true, though, that the fidelity doesn't always come out, for example when listening to music while driving in a car (or on an airplane for that matter). Regards, W Per Boysen wrote: On Aug 15, 2005, at 23:21, mark sottilaro wrote: > No. I've gotten to LOVE listening to my music that > way. Mid way through a King Crimson song I get a > hanker'n for Talking Heads? While on a train? No. I can definitely understand that argument. But I wouldn't trade in fidelity for it. If you buy your music as CDs and rip them by yourself to iPod you can use a better AAC encoding than the 128 kbps that Apple uses. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-1130734192-1124205663=:81444 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Thanks for all the replies.
 
I do have most of the CD's (and albums) I'd like to archive.
 
I started doing so in a minor way by just converting a few records into digital format files--actually wav's. 'Course can't fit that many wav files on a CD but I've been sequencing some of my old favorite songs.
 
So, I take it there's an encoder on the 'net somewhere that converts to a higher MP3 resolution format.
 
I do appreciate the comments re: fidelity. I've shied away from MP3's for the longest time. I always thought I could discern a lack of fidelity with MP3 files. It's true, though, that the fidelity doesn't always come out, for example when listening to music while driving in a car (or on an airplane for that matter).
 
Regards, W

Per Boysen <per@boysen.se> wrote:
On Aug 15, 2005, at 23:21, mark sottilaro wrote:

> No. I've gotten to LOVE listening to my music that
> way. Mid way through a King Crimson song I get a
> hanker'n for Talking Heads? While on a train? No.


I can definitely understand that argument. But I wouldn't trade in
fidelity for it. If you buy your music as CDs and rip them by
yourself to iPod you can use a better AAC encoding than the 128 kbps
that Apple uses.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.looproom.com (international)
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
---> iTunes Music Store (digital)
www.cdbaby.com/perboysen



Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-1130734192-1124205663=:81444-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 16:03:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DEC3C3BF1A; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:03:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: bose pa speaker thingie Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:03:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <4301DB2F.8010207@soundscapes.us> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcWiXbc/4qUfMQghRlmp1fPG5jTzogAHkkIA Message-Id: <20050816160337.298873BF13@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:03:39 +0000 (UTC) Don't tell the club owner that! -----Original Message----- From: Bill Fox [mailto:billyfox@soundscapes.us] Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:25 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bose pa speaker thingie Bill Edmondson wrote: > Then there's the actual cost of the gear that you're lugging around on top > of all of that labor. It ain't cheap! True, but we'd pay for that any way. Wouldn't we? Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 16:05:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3995C3BF22; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:05:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: REMINDER: Two Improvisational Looping Web-Based Performances (August 17 - Times Below) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:05:16 -0600 Message-ID: <004e01c5a27c$4b0c5130$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01C5A24A.0071E130" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-SpamDetect: **: 2.022000 Subject Unsubscribe=1.0,Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3,Aspam=-0.8 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 129, in=423, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:05:19 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C5A24A.0071E130 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit *****************REMINDER********************* "Looper's Lunch" and "Lights Out with Looping" Web-Based Performances 45 minutes of live improvisational looping streamed to the web in real-time Who: Me (Krispen Hartung) on acoustic guitar & sitar, percussion, and vocals When: Wednesday, August 17 at... * 11am US Pacific, 12pm US Mountain, 1pm US Central, 2pm US Eastern, 7pm (London), 8pm (Stockholm/Rome/Paris) * 4pm US Pacific, 5pm US Mountain, 6pm US Central, 7pm US Eastern, 12am (London), 1am (Stockholm/Rome/Paris) Where: http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen") Availability: The performance will be limited to 30 listening seats, so it is a first come first serve basis (if you can't get in, keep trying in case someone drops out) Real-Time Feedback To provide real-time feedback to me while I perform, you may send instant messages to me using the Yahoo, MSN, AOL, or ICQ instant messengers, sent to the following user names / IDs: * Yahoo Messenger: kris_hartung * MSN Messenger: kris.hartung@hp.com * AOL Messenger (AIM): krispenhartung * ICQ: 272583693 System Requirements Users can listen to SHOUTcast on a variety of platforms and players (e.g. Windows Media Player, MusicMatch, etc). 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------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C5A24A.0071E130-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 16:14:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C74253BF27; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:14:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: RE: OT: MP3 Sites with Non-mainstream Artists Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:13:08 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01C5A28E.27C0CE10" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <20050816152103.82757.qmail@web50807.mail.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:07:01 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.77.84 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: <1bGiC.A.RYH.VDhADB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:14:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C5A28E.27C0CE10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I encoded all of my CDs (and friends of mine encoded theirs, so I have tons of CDs on my 300 GB disc now) to 128 kbps mp3s using Musicmatch. 128 ("CD quality") is good enough for my old ears but you can choose higher resolutions if you want. Musicmatch looks the CDs up in a database and creates file names etc. - very easy and good for large amounts of CDs. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de I do have most of the CD's (and albums) I'd like to archive. I started doing so in a minor way by just converting a few records into digital format files--actually wav's. 'Course can't fit that many wav files on a CD but I've been sequencing some of my old favorite songs. So, I take it there's an encoder on the 'net somewhere that converts to a higher MP3 resolution format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C5A28E.27C0CE10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I = encoded all of my=20 CDs (and friends of mine encoded theirs, so I have tons of CDs on my 300 = GB disc=20 now) to 128 kbps mp3s using Musicmatch. 128 ("CD quality") is good = enough=20 for my old ears but you can choose higher resolutions if you want. = Musicmatch=20 looks the CDs up in a database and creates file names etc. - very easy = and good=20 for large amounts of CDs.
 
-Michael
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I do have most of the CD's (and albums) I'd like to = archive.
 
I started doing so in a minor way by just converting a few = records=20 into digital format files--actually wav's. 'Course can't fit that many = wav=20 files on a CD but I've been sequencing some of my old favorite = songs.
 
So, I take it there's an encoder on the 'net somewhere that = converts to a=20 higher MP3 resolution format.
------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C5A28E.27C0CE10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 17:08:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83F843BF28; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:08:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <012b01c59f49$fb8f51f0$6601a8c0@khartung> References: <012b01c59f49$fb8f51f0$6601a8c0@khartung> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-13--123969654 Message-Id: <6329F7A2-0E78-11DA-A814-000A9583C4E8@venetowest.com> From: Ronan Chris Murphy Subject: Re: superb looping beasts Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:08:38 -0700 To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:08:37 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-13--123969654 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > When he says "sound quality" what do you think he > means? Signal to noise ratio? Reproducing the quality of the original > sound source? All of the above? I would assume that he is talking about a particular Euphonic characteristic of the eventide. There is a certain musicality about a lot of the Eventide gear and Fripp has never shied using really low grade gear in his rig in the past (Roland GP processors, yamaha compressors etc) Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) --Apple-Mail-13--123969654 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII When he says "sound quality" what do you think he means? Signal to noise ratio? Reproducing the quality of the original sound source? All of the above? I would assume that he is talking about a particular Euphonic characteristic of the eventide. There is a certain musicality about a lot of the Eventide gear and Fripp has never shied using really low grade gear in his rig in the past (Roland GP processors, yamaha compressors etc) Ronan Chris Murphy www.venetowest.com (Production & mixing: King Crimson, Chucho Valdes, Steve Morse, Terry Bozzio, CGT...) www.homerecordingbootcamp.com (Workshops around the world teaching the art and craft of recording ) www.livesofthesaints.net (The hottest ambient noise duo since Sonny & Cher) --Apple-Mail-13--123969654-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 17:35:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00DE03BF2D; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:35:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:35:22 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: OT: MP3 Sites with Non-mainstream Artists In-reply-to: <20050816152103.82757.qmail@web50807.mail.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <430223DA.5070208@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <20050816152103.82757.qmail@web50807.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:35:29 +0000 (UTC) Wind Stick Devil wrote: > So, I take it there's an encoder on the 'net somewhere that converts to > a higher MP3 resolution format. There are a number of applications that can do MP3 encoding, but it is most convenient if this is built into the application that you use to rip the CD and to organize and play your files. This is why I like iTunes, it is just dead easy to rip CDs directly into MP3s and add them to the iTunes library for immediate access. Encoders that are not integrated into the ripper/librarian require that you first use one application to rip to .wav files. Then another to convert the .wav files to .mp3. Then another to import them into the player. This bouncing between applications takes time unless you're technical enough to write OS scripts to automate the process. Most MP3s you find on the web will be at 128 kbps which I find tolerable for mobile iPod use but which sound overly compressed and "grainy" when played at home on a good stereo. iTunes can rip to a maximum of 320 kbps in either MP3 or AAC format. AAC is supposed to sound better than MP3 at the same bit rate, but I haven't done any lengthy comparisons. If you intend to only use this at home, have lots of disk space, and don't intend to share your files with others, I would probably use AAC rather than MP3 at 256 kbps or higher. If you want to swap files with others, well of course that's illegal, but hypothetically if you did, MP3s are more universally recognized. If you want to digitize vinyl, it's way more complicated. I generally use an application that records an entire side, then tries to detect the gaps between tracks and generates a set of wav files. But this doesn't work very well for recordings that don't have obvious silence between tracks. Then I spend a considerable amount of time in Sound Fourge trimming and fading the edges of each track. Then there is the time vortex of "restoration" tools which can remove some of the crackles and pops you inevitably will have. I only bother with this for albums I'm particularly fond of and can no longer buy, it takes way too much time. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 18:58:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D541C3BF2E; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:58:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: bose pa speaker thingie Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:00:08 +0200 Message-ID: <002c01c5a294$b94fee50$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20050816090320.97324.qmail@web30506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:58:51 +0000 (UTC) Matthias and also Tim already said some things regarding this topic, so I'll only add what hasn't been said before: The directional characteristics are a property of the source (or sink). This property of the source or sink is usually dependant on the frequency, but the directional characteristics are not a property of the sound wave or its frequency. A directional source (like a dynamic speaker) tends to become omnidirectional if the wavelength of the waves reproduced considerably exceeds the dimensions of the source (rule of thumb here). The wavelength is the phase velocity (the velocity with which the wave distributes, here "the speed of sound") divided by the frequency. That means, with a phase velocity of ~300m/s and our speaker a diameter of 0.3m, we get f=1000Hz or a frequency of around 100Hz where the wavelength exceeds the speaker dimensions considerably. Yet, if we reproduced this same 100Hz wave with a speaker a diameter of thirty meters, this speaker would be directional all right... The same is true for the sink (in this case: your head): if the wavelengths considerably exceed the dimension of your head, then it becomes harder to make out the direction a sound comes from from the difference in sound pressure level received by both ears. If a tone of a sufficiently high frequency comes directly from the right side of your head, then the perceived sound level in your right ear is much higher than in your left ear because your head shields your left ear from the directed sound wave. Note that there are other effects you can use to make out from which direction sound comes: decrease in intensity with distance travelled and delay from distance travelled. Actually, two standard stereo miking techniques make use of either the level difference by the directionality of your ears (X/Y, coincident miking) or of the delay (A/B, spaced pair) exclusively and in an exaggerated way. Still, you can perceive the direction sound comes from even for extremely low frequencies, although this only works for very high sound pressure levels. During thunderstorms, you sometimes feel the very low frequency components with your body and are able to make out a direction. There has been some confusion going on about this topic in recent years, caused by companies who try to tell you that you can get "cinema" sound with a sub and a set of miniature sattelites with xover frequencies of 130Hz, 180Hz or even higher. If you do however look up the specs for Dolby Digital, you'll find that while the LFE (which stands for "low frequency effects" and is to be used for the "big bangs" of planes exploding or atomic bombs going off exclusively) channel has a frequency range of 3-120 Hz, the remaining five (or more for the EX format) front, center and surround channels have a specified frequency range of 3-20000 Hz. --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > Maybe I'm just weird, but I've never found bass to omnidirectional. > Less directional than higher frequencies, okay, but > it takes a lot > less than a gun to my head to figure out where the > bass is coming from > when I see a band play. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 19:25:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DED523BF3C; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:25:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: VST Effects for MAC, Hosts, etc Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:25:31 -0600 Message-ID: <006101c5a298$446e5fa0$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 129, in=399, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <8jAXYD.A.vbD.t2jADB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:25:33 +0000 (UTC) I am doing some research for someone who has a Powerbok, 12 inch w/ about a gig or ram. He has Reason, Pro-tools, Garage Band, and Ableton. He wants to get into the free VST effect world and get some cool synth guitar sounds, weird distortions, modulators, tap tempoed tremolos, etc... going in real time. I know nothing about MACs, so have no idea whether those above programs will host a VST effect, or whether most VST effects are compatible with MACs. Can someone help me out? Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 19:38:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B99443BF2D; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:38:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=dmwTyU+915Qp+BkHA4wAKUPfhVGr0Nz6TUuT7WKjLysB4oDsau+RT+yYGvsSM74l; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22005821619464670@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: transistor radios Re: Re: bose pa speaker thingie Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:46:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da940ac850a894e927bd7961fb230b23d0cc7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.149.121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:38:32 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I am just barely old enough to remember the heyday of the cheap "Close & Play" -esque turntables and so-called transistor radios with the optional hearing aid-style earpieces fed by thin coiled wires. Thanks for the memories! ~Tim Mungenast ----- Original Message ----- From: Wind Stick Devil To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 8/15/2005 6:45:44 PM Subject: Re: Re: bose pa speaker thingie << i was thinking back to my very first record player around 1954, a little plastic thing >> Yeah, but what about those little transistor radios that folks used to press against their ears? I can remember listening to "You" by the Initials and being in hog heaven. Not to mention the Tokens' "The Lion Sleeps Tonight" and Joey D & the Starlighters' Peppermint Twist. nemoguitt@verizon.net wrote: <> mark.....i'm so use to the ultra flat sound of my srm's that listening to other speakers i often hear a lot of "color".....i should have played thru these rather than listen to a cd, they had a system set up in another part of the store for this but i was a bit rushed, maybe next time.....my suggestion is to give them a listen.....it's almost the same as the i-pod=low fidelity discussion, i'm at a point in my life where i become less concerned about hi- fidelity (by the time the sound makes it thru the whine and buzz going on in my ears i'm just happy to not have to say "what did you say?").....i know my i-pod does not sound as good as a cd nor record but like you i'm in the garden listning to bo diddly, the beatles, ric walker, ted killian and astrud gilberto.....WTF!.....i never had a walkman or anything of this ilk and i am blown away by this tech.....per, are you saying that there could be a better way to input music into an i-pod or are you talking about a whole other system?.....i was thinking back to my very first record player around 1954, a little plastic thing, my have times changed, i am more amazed every day.....mic http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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I am just barely old enough to remember the heyday of the cheap "Close & Play" -esque turntables and so-called transistor radios with the optional hearing aid-style earpieces fed by thin coiled wires.
Thanks for the memories!
~Tim Mungenast
 
 
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Subject: Re: Re: bose pa speaker thingie

<< i was thinking back to my very first record player around
1954, a little plastic thing >>
 
Yeah, but what about those little transistor radios that folks used to press against their ears? I can remember listening to "You" by the Initials and being in hog heaven. Not to mention the Tokens' "The Lion Sleeps Tonight" and Joey D & the Starlighters' Peppermint Twist.

nemoguitt@verizon.net wrote:


<>

mark.....i'm so use to the ultra flat sound of my srm's that listening to
other speakers i often hear a lot of "color".....i should have played thru
these rather than listen to a cd, they had a system set up in another part of
the store for this but i was a bit rushed, maybe next time.....my suggestion
is to give them a listen.....it's almost the same as the i-pod=low fidelity
discussion, i'm at a point in my life where i become less concerned about hi-
fidelity (by the time the sound makes it thru the whine and buzz going on in
my ears i'm just happy to not have to say "what did you say?").....i know my
i-pod does not sound as good as a cd nor record but like you i'm in the garden
listning to bo diddly, the beatles, ric walker, ted killian and astrud
gilberto.....WTF!.....i never had a walkman or anything of this ilk and i am
blown away by this tech.....per, are you saying that there could be a better
way to input music into an i-pod or are you talking about a whole other
system?.....i was thinking back to my very first record player around 1954, a
little plastic thing, my have times changed, i am more amazed every
day.....mic

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------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 19:51:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D880C3BF3D; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:51:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=52L6Va58RvKDZvmkulwc9bFBwkMpA6mbvtnkKeRAPvpaHfdIRzOwe9akbck7PgSPnz6C0ed6Kbadq7lJTUOylaMEN0wS/JZYHfk6xl9mvTHeHWzd0946bSFs2W+E/nuAoJsDAtlkxGU7Ec1SnuU6M7ZHAPIWAIK5im8rSUaZNjA= ; Message-ID: <20050816195127.25896.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:51:27 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: transistor radios Re: Re: bose pa speaker thingie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <410-22005821619464670@earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:51:29 +0000 (UTC) I always wanted to do a show where people brought (or were lent) small FM radios with headphones and instead of a traditional PA I did a small FM broadcast at a specific frequency. Ideally it would be an outdoor show. I think it would be great to see a huge group of people groov'n to music that's silent to onlookers. Perhaps people could even get some sleep at Burningman if such technology was used. ;) Mark --- Timothy Mungenast wrote: > I am just barely old enough to remember the heyday > of the cheap "Close & Play" -esque turntables and > so-called transistor radios with the optional > hearing aid-style earpieces fed by thin coiled > wires. > Thanks for the memories! > ~Tim Mungenast > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 19:53:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 174173BF2D; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:53:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: transistor radios Re: Re: bose pa speaker thingie Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:54:59 +0200 Message-ID: <000701c5a29c$62639b20$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20050816195127.25896.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:53:41 +0000 (UTC) Now it might be a problem to get FM radio frequencies to send on...don't know how this is in the US, but I can tell you this is a no-no in Germany. Now, if on the other hand you installed a hot spot and told people to bring their laptops and headphones... Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com]=20 Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. August 2005 21:51 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: transistor radios Re: Re: bose pa speaker thingie I always wanted to do a show where people brought (or were lent) small FM radios with headphones and instead of a traditional PA I did a small FM broadcast at a specific frequency. Ideally it would be an outdoor show. I think it would be great to see a huge group of people groov'n to music that's silent to onlookers. Perhaps people could even get some sleep at Burningman if such technology was used. ;) Mark --- Timothy Mungenast wrote: > I am just barely old enough to remember the heyday > of the cheap "Close & Play" -esque turntables and > so-called transistor radios with the optional > hearing aid-style earpieces fed by thin coiled > wires. > Thanks for the memories! > ~Tim Mungenast >=20 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around=20 http://mail.yahoo.com=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 19:56:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91F4E3BF43; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:56:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:56:25 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: transistor radios Re: Re: bose pa speaker thingie In-Reply-To: <20050816195127.25896.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20050816195127.25896.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:56:28 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, 16 Aug 2005, mark sottilaro wrote: > I always wanted to do a show where people brought (or > were lent) small FM radios with headphones and instead > of a traditional PA I did a small FM broadcast at a > specific frequency. Ideally it would be an outdoor > show. I think it would be great to see a huge group > of people groov'n to music that's silent to onlookers. > Perhaps people could even get some sleep at > Burningman if such technology was used. ;) > > Mark I think that's exactly what the big Glastonbury music festival in England did this summer in response to a noise edict that would have prevented them doing their big nighttime rave: they got something like 3000 Walkmans and distributed them to everyone who came :). best, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ Fukadugalon, Laccoon, Audio Arcade > --- Timothy Mungenast wrote: > >> I am just barely old enough to remember the heyday >> of the cheap "Close & Play" -esque turntables and >> so-called transistor radios with the optional >> hearing aid-style earpieces fed by thin coiled >> wires. >> Thanks for the memories! >> ~Tim Mungenast From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 20:03:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5355B3BF51; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:03:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=1DEb16pPRjPkA4gDTtkkNfjX4VmgEfjLT5QjkkFD+TJ8/bFf5cXvMmvj0mxJ1acjcFDyoe/3BeXP1H83jfiob2glplPd13JQ0NoMWVQaw/G9HxZgJfvlhAr+1KF4BHGE/rCVHiEim3rXgfvluJbgLdVONOfblTOWlzJLL2TpIFw= ; Message-ID: <20050816200259.62128.qmail@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:02:59 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: AW: transistor radios Re: Re: bose pa speaker thingie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000701c5a29c$62639b20$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1751071430-1124222579=:61687" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:03:03 +0000 (UTC) --0-1751071430-1124222579=:61687 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit yo. we still got us a drive in theater & 4 the last 10 years you can tune in your car stereo and get the audio...they still got those thingies on poles you pull up close to and perilously perch on your window glass,sheesh! drive in would be a good place to rent for a looptopia type thingy.you got the screen and pa set up already... Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: Now it might be a problem to get FM radio frequencies to send on...don't know how this is in the US, but I can tell you this is a no-no in Germany. Now, if on the other hand you installed a hot spot and told people to bring their laptops and headphones... Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. August 2005 21:51 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: transistor radios Re: Re: bose pa speaker thingie I always wanted to do a show where people brought (or were lent) small FM radios with headphones and instead of a traditional PA I did a small FM broadcast at a specific frequency. Ideally it would be an outdoor show. I think it would be great to see a huge group of people groov'n to music that's silent to onlookers. Perhaps people could even get some sleep at Burningman if such technology was used. ;) Mark --- Timothy Mungenast wrote: > I am just barely old enough to remember the heyday > of the cheap "Close & Play" -esque turntables and > so-called transistor radios with the optional > hearing aid-style earpieces fed by thin coiled > wires. > Thanks for the memories! > ~Tim Mungenast > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1751071430-1124222579=:61687 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
yo.
we still got us a drive in theater & 4 the last 10 years you can tune in your car stereo and get the audio...they still got those thingies on poles you pull up close to and perilously perch on your window glass,sheesh! drive in would be a good place to rent for a looptopia type thingy.you got the screen  and pa set up already...

Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:
Now it might be a problem to get FM radio frequencies to send on...don't
know how this is in the US, but I can tell you this is a no-no in
Germany.

Now, if on the other hand you installed a hot spot and told people to
bring their laptops and headphones...

Rainer

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. August 2005 21:51
An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff: Re: transistor radios Re: Re: bose pa speaker thingie


I always wanted to do a show where people brought (or
were lent) small FM radios with headphones and instead
of a traditional PA I did a small FM broadcast at a
specific frequency. Ideally it would be an outdoor
show. I think it would be great to see a huge group
of people groov'n to music that's silent to onlookers.
Perhaps people could even get some sleep at
Burningman if such technology was used. ;)

Mark

--- Timothy Mungenast wrote:

> I am just barely old enough to remember the heyday
> of the cheap "Close & Play" -esque turntables and
> so-called transistor radios with the optional
> hearing aid-style earpieces fed by thin coiled
> wires.
> Thanks for the memories!
> ~Tim Mungenast
>

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1751071430-1124222579=:61687-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 20:29:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FAEF3BF3C; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:29:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=P4uzfFz4qAJzMla9+HuR4ZITup43gIR6AIsnmjPWBVbu1UE0ktZiFphSLEKTDilODyneuyv7ZPG0PkygBJpyfndqDdDWgxFMi0VMO7ujHP4Y3RLhpfoxE6cWfi8P3PCF9SH+4Z/e5v1XQht3HQnLHv1NmdrdzISP2ktl8YLy5+4= ; Message-ID: <20050816202935.35370.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:29:35 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: AW: transistor radios Re: Re: bose pa speaker thingie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000701c5a29c$62639b20$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:29:37 +0000 (UTC) Oh, it's a no no here too, but if you were out in a rural enough of an area and kept your broadcast to a watt or two it probably wouldn't be noticed. The wifi thing... that sounds like fun too, but could it be real time? Mark --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Now it might be a problem to get FM radio > frequencies to send on...don't > know how this is in the US, but I can tell you this > is a no-no in > Germany. > > Now, if on the other hand you installed a hot spot > and told people to > bring their laptops and headphones... > > Rainer > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: mark sottilaro > [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. August 2005 21:51 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: transistor radios Re: Re: bose pa > speaker thingie > > > I always wanted to do a show where people brought > (or > were lent) small FM radios with headphones and > instead > of a traditional PA I did a small FM broadcast at a > specific frequency. Ideally it would be an outdoor > show. I think it would be great to see a huge group > of people groov'n to music that's silent to > onlookers. > Perhaps people could even get some sleep at > Burningman if such technology was used. ;) > > Mark > > --- Timothy Mungenast > wrote: > > > I am just barely old enough to remember the heyday > > of the cheap "Close & Play" -esque turntables and > > so-called transistor radios with the optional > > hearing aid-style earpieces fed by thin coiled > > wires. > > Thanks for the memories! > > ~Tim Mungenast > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 20:54:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 113D83BF50; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:54:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0vANOCoAYdkbx+YSLpJzdTPw24lIcfNkEodFcKRd5p+YjMJJzKjH/8xyrocrE56qy6YhFThU/snQXCk15oJBn517aklfX2dXo+V8Ow+AVS7TKxlKS5lg7gyRG538f8lE8Hy3Jp8Z3jiEEQnn5zkuM0yjg6TOWnx1lftkInLQ8GU= ; Message-ID: <20050816205405.36506.qmail@web30513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:54:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: AW: transistor radios Re: Re: bose pa speaker thingie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050816202935.35370.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <3d_wV.A.NaG.uJlADB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:54:07 +0000 (UTC) Maybe something like that could be done in collaboration with a college radio station or one of the artsy low-power community stations that're springing up, like this one in my area: -t- --- mark sottilaro wrote: > Oh, it's a no no here too, but if you were out in a > rural enough of an area and kept your broadcast to a > watt or two it probably wouldn't be noticed. ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 20:54:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C43F53BF57; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:54:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=r7J6MKrT1Opixu4oZaskdOXfbA7dDkhqfR7eZafixBiOPV5hx5sZItLUqwxXAvCj; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22005821621145740@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: transistor radios Re: Re: bose pa speaker thingie Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:01:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8" X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94035bdea18dd5d0d4cd97aa36d951bdebd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 165.121.149.121 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:54:13 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII what a great idea!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: daniel stevenson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: 8/16/2005 4:03:03 PM Subject: Re: AW: transistor radios Re: Re: bose pa speaker thingie yo. we still got us a drive in theater & 4 the last 10 years you can tune in your car stereo and get the audio...they still got those thingies on poles you pull up close to and perilously perch on your window glass,sheesh! drive in would be a good place to rent for a looptopia type thingy.you got the screen and pa set up already... Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: Now it might be a problem to get FM radio frequencies to send on...don't know how this is in the US, but I can tell you this is a no-no in Germany. Now, if on the other hand you installed a hot spot and told people to bring their laptops and headphones... Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. August 2005 21:51 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: transistor radios Re: Re: bose pa speaker thingie I always wanted to do a show where people brought (or were lent) small FM radios with headphones and instead of a traditional PA I did a small FM broadcast at a specific frequency. Ideally it would be an outdoor show. I think it would be great to see a huge group of people groov'n to music that's silent to onlookers. Perhaps people could even get some sleep at Burningman if such technology was used. ;) Mark --- Timothy Mungenast wrote: > I am just barely old enough to remember the heyday > of the cheap "Close & Play" -esque turntables and > so-called transistor radios with the optional > hearing aid-style earpieces fed by thin coiled > wires. > Thanks for the memories! > ~Tim Mungenast > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

what a great idea!!!
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 8/16/2005 4:03:03 PM
Subject: Re: AW: transistor radios Re: Re: bose pa speaker thingie

yo.
we still got us a drive in theater & 4 the last 10 years you can tune in your car stereo and get the audio...they still got those thingies on poles you pull up close to and perilously perch on your window glass,sheesh! drive in would be a good place to rent for a looptopia type thingy.you got the screen  and pa set up already...

Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:
Now it might be a problem to get FM radio frequencies to send on...don't
know how this is in the US, but I can tell you this is a no-no in
Germany.

Now, if on the other hand you installed a hot spot and told people to
bring their laptops and headphones...

Rainer

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: mark sottilaro [mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. August 2005 21:51
An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Betreff: Re: transistor radios Re: Re: bose pa speaker thingie


I always wanted to do a show where people brought (or
were lent) small FM radios with headphones and instead
of a traditional PA I did a small FM broadcast at a
specific frequency. Ideally it would be an outdoor
show. I think it would be great to see a huge group
of people groov'n to music that's silent to onlookers.
Perhaps people could even get some sleep at
Burningman if such technology was used. ;)

Mark

--- Timothy Mungenast wrote:

> I am just barely old enough to remember the heyday
> of the cheap "Close & Play" -esque turntables and
> so-called transistor radios with the optional
> hearing aid-style earpieces fed by thin coiled
> wires.
> Thanks for the memories!
> ~Tim Mungenast
>

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------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 21:10:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 390A83BF3C; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:10:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <006101c5a298$446e5fa0$6601a8c0@khartung> References: <006101c5a298$446e5fa0$6601a8c0@khartung> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: VST Effects for MAC, Hosts, etc Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:10:31 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:10:37 +0000 (UTC) On Aug 16, 2005, at 21:25, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I am doing some research for someone who has a Powerbok, 12 inch w/ > about a gig or ram. He has Reason, Pro-tools, Garage Band, and > Ableton. > > He wants to get into the free VST effect world and get some cool synth > guitar sounds, weird distortions, modulators, tap tempoed tremolos, > etc... going in real time. > > I know nothing about MACs, so have no idea whether those above > programs > will host a VST effect, or whether most VST effects are compatible > with > MACs. Can someone help me out? No problem; VST, as a plug-in format, has been available on Mac longer than on Windows based PC's. Garageband does not support the VST format though. For GB he should go with the AU version of the plug-in. Ableton on the Mac is nice because it does run both VST and AU plug-ins. If the Mac runs OS X he can make use of the built-in MIDI pipeline called IAC Bus, to route MIDI between plug-ins and applications (like a virtual pedal fx patching board). He has to activate it in the OS X system utility "Audio MIDI setup". I'm not totally sure, but I think Reason and Protools can run both AU and VST. The free plug-ins for Mac are basically the same as for Windows. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 21:20:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 645AD3BF51; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:20:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: <006101c5a298$446e5fa0$6601a8c0@khartung> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5EFEF8BD-DEEC-4A35-AB9A-E547C665E49E@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: VST Effects for MAC, Hosts, etc Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:20:12 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:20:15 +0000 (UTC) > On Aug 16, 2005, at 21:25, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> He wants to get into the free VST effect world and get some cool >> synth >> guitar sounds, weird distortions, modulators, tap tempoed tremolos, >> etc... going in real time. Oh, I forgot to mention... Augustus Loop is not free but well worth the money! This wonderful plug-in is OS X only. Tell your friend that he can run it in Ableton as a looping tape delay simulator. While he is overdubbing into the loop he can have any MIDI sequence set up to transpose the pitch of the loop into melodies - in realtime and in recording mode. How's that for "weird"!!! ;-) per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 21:25:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B58CC3BF50; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:25:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: VST Effects for MAC, Hosts, etc Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:25:27 -0600 Message-ID: <007701c5a2a9$05808a50$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <5EFEF8BD-DEEC-4A35-AB9A-E547C665E49E@boysen.se> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 130, in=389, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:25:29 +0000 (UTC) Thank you all for the tips. I'm set. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:per@boysen.se] Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 3:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: VST Effects for MAC, Hosts, etc > On Aug 16, 2005, at 21:25, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> He wants to get into the free VST effect world and get some cool >> synth >> guitar sounds, weird distortions, modulators, tap tempoed tremolos, >> etc... going in real time. Oh, I forgot to mention... Augustus Loop is not free but well worth the money! This wonderful plug-in is OS X only. Tell your friend that he can run it in Ableton as a looping tape delay simulator. While he is overdubbing into the loop he can have any MIDI sequence set up to transpose the pitch of the loop into melodies - in realtime and in recording mode. How's that for "weird"!!! ;-) per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 21:44:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 193583BF3A; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:44:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [62.255.52.57] X-Originating-User: [garethwhittock] Message-ID: From: "gareth.whitcock" To: Subject: transistor radios and stuff Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:43:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004D_01C5A2B3.F654DE90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:44:59 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C5A2B3.F654DE90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What about an inductance loop like they do for partially deaf people in = theatres? gareth ------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C5A2B3.F654DE90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What about an inductance loop like they = do for=20 partially deaf people in theatres?
gareth
------=_NextPart_000_004D_01C5A2B3.F654DE90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 21:53:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E266C3BF2F; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:53:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: scott@dreamstate.to via o2.hostbaby.com X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.25 (Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.083122 secs) Message-ID: <2394.142.106.248.76.1124229181.squirrel@www.dreamstate.to> In-Reply-To: <006101c5a298$446e5fa0$6601a8c0@khartung> References: <006101c5a298$446e5fa0$6601a8c0@khartung> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: VST Effects for MAC, Hosts, etc From: scott@dreamstate.to To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:53:00 +0000 (UTC) > I am doing some research for someone who has a Powerbok, 12 inch w/ > about a gig or ram. He has Reason, Pro-tools, Garage Band, and Ableton. > > He wants to get into the free VST effect world and get some cool synth > guitar sounds, weird distortions, modulators, tap tempoed tremolos, > etc... going in real time. > > I know nothing about MACs, so have no idea whether those above programs > will host a VST effect, or whether most VST effects are compatible with > MACs. Can someone help me out? > > Kris Here's a motherload of info on plugins, free and otherwise: http://www.kvraudio.com/index.php Cheers, Scott M2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 22:07:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB2AD3BF2F; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:07:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1309.24.92.72.91.1124230074.squirrel@webmail5.pair.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: transistor radios and stuff From: gary@friendlyspider.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:07:55 +0000 (UTC) What about those gizmos for portable cassette and CD players that play the output through an unused channel on your FM dial ? I wonder what the range of transmission for those is. Radio Shack used to sell a wireless transmitter/mic that used an FM radio as a receiver.... I also have often thought it'd be cool to have an outdoor concert where everyone was dancing, etc., yet listening through phones... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 22:53:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19F2B3BF17; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:53:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43026E73.3020400@pdq.net> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:53:39 -0500 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: transistor radios Re: Re: bose pa speaker thingie References: <20050816202935.35370.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050816202935.35370.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <8Fm-uB.A.haC.45mADB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:53:44 +0000 (UTC) I don't know about it being a no-no, but I do know that that Flaming Lips have done something like this. I don't know the details, but I do know that they handed out (perhaps rented?) small headphones and a small receiver, and transmitted some parts of the audio to these devices. Wonder how they pulled that off? Dig mark sottilaro wrote: >Oh, it's a no no here too, but if you were out in a >rural enough of an area and kept your broadcast to a >watt or two it probably wouldn't be noticed. The wifi >thing... that sounds like fun too, but could it be >real time? > >Mark > >--- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > wrote: > > > >>Now it might be a problem to get FM radio >>frequencies to send on...don't >>know how this is in the US, but I can tell you this >>is a no-no in >>Germany. >> >>Now, if on the other hand you installed a hot spot >>and told people to >>bring their laptops and headphones... >> >> Rainer >> >>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >>Von: mark sottilaro >>[mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] >>Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. August 2005 21:51 >>An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Betreff: Re: transistor radios Re: Re: bose pa >>speaker thingie >> >> >>I always wanted to do a show where people brought >>(or >>were lent) small FM radios with headphones and >>instead >>of a traditional PA I did a small FM broadcast at a >>specific frequency. Ideally it would be an outdoor >>show. I think it would be great to see a huge group >>of people groov'n to music that's silent to >>onlookers. >> Perhaps people could even get some sleep at >>Burningman if such technology was used. ;) >> >>Mark >> >>--- Timothy Mungenast >>wrote: >> >> >> >>>I am just barely old enough to remember the heyday >>>of the cheap "Close & Play" -esque turntables and >>>so-called transistor radios with the optional >>>hearing aid-style earpieces fed by thin coiled >>>wires. >>>Thanks for the memories! >>>~Tim Mungenast >>> >>> >>> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >>protection around >>http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 16 23:29:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 768B93BEC1; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:29:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: References: <006101c5a298$446e5fa0$6601a8c0@khartung> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--101108465 Message-Id: <2456589f4b8ac68697cac5323b4c0669@audiodamage.com> From: Chris Randall Subject: Re: VST Effects for MAC, Hosts, etc Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:29:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-broadbandsupportnet-MailScanner-From: chris@audiodamage.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:29:34 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6--101108465 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > I'm not totally sure, but I think Reason and Protools can run both AU > and VST. The free plug-ins for Mac are basically the same as for > Windows. Actually, Reason runs no plug-ins at all. It is a closed system. Protools runs their RTAS format (and TDM format) plugins and nothing else. Digital Performer runs MAS and AU. Logic runs AU. Live runs AU and VST. Cubase and Nuendo are VST only, of course. You can purchase, from FXpansion, a VST->AU adaptor to run VST plug-ins in an AU host (specifically Logic and DP) with mixed success. You can also purchase, from FXpansion or AudioEase, a VST->RTAS adaptor to run VST plug-ins in Protools. There are not that many free VST plug-ins for OSX, compared to the staggering number available for Windows. But one should keep in mind that most of the freebies available for Windows are made with SynthEdit, and all have a sameness to them which can get tiring after a while. Chris Randall http://www.audiodamage.com http://www.analogindustries.com --Apple-Mail-6--101108465 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I'm not totally sure, but I think Reason and Protools can run both AU and VST. The free plug-ins for Mac are basically the same as for Windows. Actually, Reason runs no plug-ins at all. It is a closed system. Protools runs their RTAS format (and TDM format) plugins and nothing else. Digital Performer runs MAS and AU. Logic runs AU. Live runs AU and VST. Cubase and Nuendo are VST only, of course. You can purchase, from FXpansion, a VST->AU adaptor to run VST plug-ins in an AU host (specifically Logic and DP) with mixed success. You can also purchase, from FXpansion or AudioEase, a VST->RTAS adaptor to run VST plug-ins in Protools. There are not that many free VST plug-ins for OSX, compared to the staggering number available for Windows. But one should keep in mind that most of the freebies available for Windows are made with SynthEdit, and all have a sameness to them which can get tiring after a while. HelveticaChris Randall http://www.audiodamage.com http://www.analogindustries.com --Apple-Mail-6--101108465-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 17 01:54:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83B563BF24; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 01:54:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=XTIz3MBUC2Gjm4k0upka+hbCRcJSscR1o/Kb9Uce909SN0tnOpkW/jXDMz0KyWcqcMmVP+NJr0Z/exTE3zX62rRO4PUA4qod5pZ7jT4ZLawL2TDS7aE0LY53w60wnTbt3BrAmyujPENW21Wbx6/RlE2Bane0Yi8TDLs8IQyidsY= ; Message-ID: <20050817015450.30423.qmail@web32510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:54:49 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: AW: transistor radios Re: Re: bose pa speaker thingie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <43026E73.3020400@pdq.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-407987829-1124243689=:28858" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 01:54:51 +0000 (UTC) --0-407987829-1124243689=:28858 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit they used "vasoline" of course... Doug Cox wrote:I don't know about it being a no-no, but I do know that that Flaming Lips have done something like this. I don't know the details, but I do know that they handed out (perhaps rented?) small headphones and a small receiver, and transmitted some parts of the audio to these devices. Wonder how they pulled that off? Dig mark sottilaro wrote: >Oh, it's a no no here too, but if you were out in a >rural enough of an area and kept your broadcast to a >watt or two it probably wouldn't be noticed. The wifi >thing... that sounds like fun too, but could it be >real time? > >Mark > >--- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > wrote: > > > >>Now it might be a problem to get FM radio >>frequencies to send on...don't >>know how this is in the US, but I can tell you this >>is a no-no in >>Germany. >> >>Now, if on the other hand you installed a hot spot >>and told people to >>bring their laptops and headphones... >> >> Rainer >> >>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >>Von: mark sottilaro >>[mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com] >>Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. August 2005 21:51 >>An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Betreff: Re: transistor radios Re: Re: bose pa >>speaker thingie >> >> >>I always wanted to do a show where people brought >>(or >>were lent) small FM radios with headphones and >>instead >>of a traditional PA I did a small FM broadcast at a >>specific frequency. Ideally it would be an outdoor >>show. I think it would be great to see a huge group >>of people groov'n to music that's silent to >>onlookers. >> Perhaps people could even get some sleep at >>Burningman if such technology was used. ;) >> >>Mark >> >>--- Timothy Mungenast >>wrote: >> >> >> >>>I am just barely old enough to remember the heyday >>>of the cheap "Close & Play" -esque turntables and >>>so-called transistor radios with the optional >>>hearing aid-style earpieces fed by thin coiled >>>wires. >>>Thanks for the memories! >>>~Tim Mungenast >>> >>> >>> >>__________________________________________________ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam >>protection around >>http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-407987829-1124243689=:28858 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
they used "vasoline" of course...

Doug Cox <dougcox@pdq.net> wrote:
I don't know about it being a no-no, but I do know that that Flaming
Lips have done something like this. I don't know the details, but I do
know that they handed out (perhaps rented?) small headphones and a small
receiver, and transmitted some parts of the audio to these devices.

Wonder how they pulled that off?

Dig

mark sottilaro wrote:

>Oh, it's a no no here too, but if you were out in a
>rural enough of an area and kept your broadcast to a
>watt or two it probably wouldn't be noticed. The wifi
>thing... that sounds like fun too, but could it be
>real time?
>
>Mark
>
>--- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Now it might be a problem to get FM radio
>>frequencies to send on...don't
>>know how this is in the US, but I can tell you this
>>is a no-no in
>>Germany.
>>
>>Now, if on the other hand you installed a hot spot
>>and told people to
>>bring their laptops and headphones...
>>
>> Rainer
>>
>>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>Von: mark sottilaro
>>[mailto:zerocrossing2001@yahoo.com]
>>Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. August 2005 21:51
>>An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>Betreff: Re: transistor radios Re: Re: bose pa
>>speaker thingie
>>
>>
>>I always wanted to do a show where people brought
>>(or
>>were lent) small FM radios with headphones and
>>instead
>>of a traditional PA I did a small FM broadcast at a
>>specific frequency. Ideally it would be an outdoor
>>show. I think it would be great to see a huge group
>>of people groov'n to music that's silent to
>>onlookers.
>> Perhaps people could even get some sleep at
>>Burningman if such technology was used. ;)
>>
>>Mark
>>
>>--- Timothy Mungenast
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I am just barely old enough to remember the heyday
>>>of the cheap "Close & Play" -esque turntables and
>>>so-called transistor radios with the optional
>>>hearing aid-style earpieces fed by thin coiled
>>>wires.
>>>Thanks for the memories!
>>>~Tim Mungenast
>>>
>>>
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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-407987829-1124243689=:28858-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 17 02:14:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B1373BF1F; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 02:14:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:14:50 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: shows Wed & Thursday, Raleigh NC Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: <83lfjB.A.fS.Y2pADB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 02:14:48 +0000 (UTC) I'm playing as part of Wednesday night's weekly improv deathjazz night at Bickett Gallery, playing Chapman Stick/tanbura synth/loops/effects with Xopher Thurston, JJ Kidder, and Crowmeat Bob. http://www.bickettgallery.com/ 10pm, cover = tip jar Thursday night, I'm playing theremin/loops/effects as part of Orjazimprov, a large conglomeration of improv musicians. The event is a benefit for Interact Rape Crisis Center. Viswas performs first, then Orjazimprov. http://www.interactofwake.org/ 10pm, cover $6, proceeds go to Interact. http://www.kingsbarcade.com/ Looping devices I'll be using include the Akai Headrush E1, the new Digitech Jamman, and the Z-Vex Lo-Fi Loop Junky. thanks, Steve B From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 17 03:04:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01F713BF14; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 03:04:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01ff01c5a2d8$62c1c970$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: transistor radios Re: Re: bose pa speaker thingie Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:04:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 03:04:26 +0000 (UTC) Mark wrote: "I always wanted to do a show where people brought (or were lent) small FM radios with headphones and instead of a traditional PA I did a small FM broadcast at a specific frequency" I saw an awesome show in Santa Cruz with the Flaming Lips, where they passed out little fm radios with open ear headphones. they had two mixing engineers: one, to do the house sound and one to do a completely different mix (replete with different effects or so it seemed as I was unable to verify it). the cool thing was that the open ear headphones let the house mix in perfectly so you go a blend unless you turned up the volume to drown it out. At one point I left Palookaville (damn, I miss that creative defunct venue) and went to Starfucks to get some coffee. I listened to the concert the whole way down the block, while I ordered and all the way back because the range of the fm transmission was long enough. It was very, very cool On the same bill, a guy did one of the most beautiful noise symphonies I've ever heard, using 11 circuit bent speak and spells. It lasted about 25 minutes and was just amazingly beautiful and he just tweaked noise the whole time. I thought that the Flaming Lips were so creative and daring to try such a cool thing and to have such an unusual and creative opening act. I hear they did a similar thing with car cassettes where they got a whole lot of cars together (I think it was at a drive in theatre) with different interlocking cassette parts; handed them out to each car and then synchronized the playing of the 'piece' so that everyone could walk around listening to the piece of music with amazing spatiality..............how friggin' clever? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 17 03:12:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75C3D3BF1E; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 03:12:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <020701c5a2d9$90626e60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: AW: transistor radios Re: Re: bose pa speaker thingie Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:12:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 03:12:52 +0000 (UTC) Rainer wrote: "Now it might be a problem to get FM radio frequencies to send on...don't know how this is in the US, but I can tell you this is a no-no in Germany." I don't know about in Germany, but here in America you can buy kids toys that have really cheap and weak wireless transmitters built into a microphone so that you can tune your FM radio to a certain channel and then broadcast on it. They make them in China and Taiwan. You can get 10 or 15 feet away from the reciever but not much further. I have done a piece of music where I took three boomboxes and then played with those toy mics directionally. You can then 'play' the noise sources as you turn in and out of the field of each boombox. It's pretty cool and the auto tune features of the FM radios result in a virtual hard gating of the transmission when you turn off axis to the different FM radios so you can make rhythmically precise moves. I took the graphic equalizers and just made radically different EQ curves so that the noise transmitted would appear to be a different pitch (or actually range of pitches). It was pretty amazing, It took a little while to get the coordination down but I was able to do some pretty articulate phrases by moving the micropone through space with quick right angle moves. Does this make sense what I'm describing. It was very low tech but very cool. Unfortunately I didn't record it. :-( From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 17 04:01:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F0573BF0F; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 04:01:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b001c5a2e0$955f1e20$0200a8c0@bigtony> From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20050816205405.36506.qmail@web30513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: AW: transistor radios Re: Re: bose pa speaker thingie Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:57:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 04:01:05 +0000 (UTC) The Drive-In theaters around here all broadcast on an FM channel these days. No more speakers hanging on the windows. They broadcast no more than a 1/4 mile, so it might be possible to get permission for a way low power broadcast. Seems like a very cool idea. I built my first AM radio from a Radio Shack kit when I was around 9. I listened to that thing every night for a looong time. Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Nelson" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:54 PM Subject: Re: AW: transistor radios Re: Re: bose pa speaker thingie > Maybe something like that could be done in > collaboration with a college radio station or one of > the artsy low-power community stations that're > springing up, like this one in my area: > > > -t- > > --- mark sottilaro wrote: > > > Oh, it's a no no here too, but if you were out in a > > rural enough of an area and kept your broadcast to a > > watt or two it probably wouldn't be noticed. > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 17 05:10:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E88C3BF16; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 05:10:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jynsFwoH5RweU4YXHIqJYlB4p8ART4Ic97GnWwBQ37yb8gqoOfQwV9SXTLerATyMpjH6f+O6GkLRhdE8LqBycIQ/lL5f8JVxejpHtnV5jGk9H6QztOmkOc7sqYK4zCEHbFcRhFhoRJU4kuziaQGz/+89JHS3PVf/dQy+ZcOfPAY= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:10:31 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex Pro sighting on eBay In-Reply-To: <20050816041352.30574.qmail@web32510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050816040531.NOQG17043.fed1rmmtao03.cox.net@Desktop2002> <20050816041352.30574.qmail@web32510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 05:10:33 +0000 (UTC) I've bought a bunch of gear on eBay and have yet to get burned, and that's including two EDP's. On 8/15/05, daniel stevenson wrote: > good lookin out Gary.=20 > im a little wary of such extravagance on e-bay...have you bought gear sec= ond > hand from e-bay?of course im paranoid,i dont even trust ac power > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 17 05:28:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9ACC13BF19; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 05:28:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex Pro sighting on eBay Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:28:24 -0600 Message-ID: <009c01c5a2ec$7d650080$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 131, in=391, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 05:28:27 +0000 (UTC) Same here. I've bought and sold thousands of dollars worth of gear on eBay. In fact, I'm getting ready to sell my Boss GT-3 and Rocktron Velocity 120 stereo guitar power amp on eBay, once I try selling them locally first. I have my eyes on a copper Darbuka drum that I just have to get. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:11 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex Pro sighting on eBay I've bought a bunch of gear on eBay and have yet to get burned, and that's including two EDP's. On 8/15/05, daniel stevenson wrote: > good lookin out Gary. > im a little wary of such extravagance on e-bay...have you bought gear second > hand from e-bay?of course im paranoid,i dont even trust ac power > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 17 05:36:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E21353BF0E; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 05:36:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: THusken@aol.com Message-ID: <204.7f4151a.303426cf@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 01:36:15 EDT Subject: fripp on tour To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_204.7f4151a.303426cf_boundary" X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 10578 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 05:36:21 +0000 (UTC) --part1_204.7f4151a.303426cf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not sure if this has been mentioned by anyone, but I noticed in my local ent. mag (Metro Times in Detroit) that Robert Fripp is listed as opening act for Porcupine Tree! This means that I'll have a chance to see Fripp do his Soundscapes in what amounts to an eye level view at a small club! Just thought I'd pass it on. Todd --part1_204.7f4151a.303426cf_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not sure=20= if this has been mentioned by anyone, but I noticed in my local ent. mag (Me= tro Times in Detroit) that Robert Fripp is listed as opening act for Porcupi= ne Tree!  

This means that I'll have a chance to see Fripp do his Soundscapes in wh= at amounts to an eye level view at a small club!  Just thought I'd pass= it on.  Todd --part1_204.7f4151a.303426cf_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 17 09:31:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 443153BF15; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:31:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: Looping topic now online on Switzerland in Sound Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:31:08 +0200 Message-ID: <009201c5a30e$6ab343d0$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:31:49 +0000 (UTC) Hi everyone Forwarding a mail by Robert "Bob" Zanotti of Switzerland in Sound: > Just to let you know that the item on the Festival is now online under > Timely Topics. The phone quality isn't too bad, considering the = low-tech > method used :-). http://www.switzerlandinsound.com Please go to Timely Topics (2nd entry), then "International Music = Looping in Zurich". This an mp3. Bernhard http://nosuch.biz http://loopfestival.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 17 10:35:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C8B93BF19; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:35:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <009201c5a30e$6ab343d0$2101a8c0@alhambra> References: <009201c5a30e$6ab343d0$2101a8c0@alhambra> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2388EA5C-E1C8-4D30-A6BB-22F775A842C1@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Looping topic now online on Switzerland in Sound Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:33:54 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:35:24 +0000 (UTC) On Aug 17, 2005, at 11:31, Bernhard Wagner LD wrote: > Hi everyone > > Forwarding a mail by Robert "Bob" Zanotti of Switzerland in Sound: > > >> Just to let you know that the item on the Festival is now online >> under >> Timely Topics. The phone quality isn't too bad, considering the >> low-tech >> method used :-). >> > > http://www.switzerlandinsound.com > > Please go to Timely Topics (2nd entry), then "International Music > Looping in > Zurich". This an mp3. > > Bernhard > http://nosuch.biz > http://loopfestival.com Thank you for the heads up! I think that was a great interview! Hope lots of people will hear it. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 17 14:01:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C39D63BF15; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:01:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_scarface.real.com-6378-1124287274-0001-2" Message-Id: <4303432B.000193.04008@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 07:01:15 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <009c01c5a2ec$7d650080$6601a8c0@khartung> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, info@krispenhartung.com Subject: RE: Echoplex Pro sighting on eBay X-FID: ED0CFE32-10CD-430509702-0C6A43069D41 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:01:17 +0000 (UTC) This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_scarface.real.com-6378-1124287274-0001-2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_scarface.real.com-6378-1124287274-0001-3" This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_scarface.real.com-6378-1124287274-0001-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I bought over half of my studio on eBay. I have never been disappointed. = I am very happy with the experience. Like you, I was cautious at first. =0D =0D =0D =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: info@krispenhartung.com=0D Date: 08/16/05 22:28:23=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: RE: Echoplex Pro sighting on eBay=0D =0D Same here. I've bought and sold thousands of dollars worth of gear on=0D eBay. In fact, I'm getting ready to sell my Boss GT-3 and Rocktron=0D Velocity 120 stereo guitar power amp on eBay, once I try selling them=0D locally first. I have my eyes on a copper Darbuka drum that I just have=0D to get.=0D =0D Kris=0D =0D =0D -----Original Message-----=0D From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com]=0D Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:11 PM=0D To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D Subject: Re: Echoplex Pro sighting on eBay=0D =0D =0D I've bought a bunch of gear on eBay and have yet to get burned, and=0D that's including two EDP's.=0D =0D On 8/15/05, daniel stevenson wrote:=0D > good lookin out Gary.=0D > im a little wary of such extravagance on e-bay...have you bought gear=0D second=0D > hand from e-bay?of course im paranoid,i dont even trust ac power=0D >=0D =0D =20 --=_scarface.real.com-6378-1124287274-0001-3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I bought over half of my studio on eBay. I have never been disappoin= ted. I am very happy with the experience. Like you, I was cauti= ous at first.  
 
 
 

-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 08/16/05 22:= 28:23
Subject: RE: Echop= lex Pro sighting on eBay
 
Same here. I've bought and sold thousands of dollars worth of gear o= n
eBay. In fact, I'm getting ready to sell my Boss GT-3 and Rocktron
Velocity 120 stereo guitar power amp on eBay, once I try selling the= m
locally first. I have my eyes on a copper Darbuka drum that I just h= ave
to get.
 
Kris
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Travis Hartnett [m= ailto:travishartnett@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: Echoplex Pro sighting on eBay
 
 
I've bought a bunch of gear on eBay and have yet to get burned, and<= /DIV>
that's including two EDP's.
 
On 8/15/05, daniel stevenson <stillllscary@yahoo.com> wrote:
> good lookin out Gary.
> im a little wary of such extravagance on e-bay...have you bough= t gear
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> hand from e-bay?of course im paranoid,i dont even trust ac powe= r
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by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A70AD3BF11; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:12:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <005201c5a050$02b6a800$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <005201c5a050$02b6a800$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: 2nd SUNDAYS LIVE LOOPING tomorrow: WEIRD KALIMBA/Craig McCollough Santa Cruz Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:13:13 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:12:34 +0000 (UTC) I hope the show went well. I had planned to attend and show support but found myself fighting a summer cold Sunday night. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 17 15:56:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1359B3BF0F; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:56:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=hDSpCs7cXxnWJrKZXYi/V+7n0DnQg14rX5ekzLW62/hI2BNJmIlIoyFvjpFyskrp; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200583171640840@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: transistor radios and stuff Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:04:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da9407b1a65da71b7254eb079b7a954edf227350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.91.164.115 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:56:26 +0000 (UTC) ..which reminds me... Back in '68 my big brother got a cheap guitar AND one of those mini-transmitters, basically a 1/4 phone jack without a cord. It took a hearing-aid battery, and it transmitted an AM signal. Since the range was only about 20 feet, the frequency probably was not an issue. We played it through our little leather-clad GE transistr table radio. Considering neither of us could play for shit, it sounded okay! (LOL) Sonic Luv, Tim Mungenast > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 8/16/2005 6:07:55 PM > Subject: Re: transistor radios and stuff > > What about those gizmos for portable cassette and CD players > that play the output through an unused channel on your FM dial ? > I wonder what the range of transmission for those is. > Radio Shack used to sell a wireless transmitter/mic that used an > FM radio as a receiver.... > I also have often thought it'd be cool to have an outdoor concert where > everyone was dancing, etc., yet listening through phones... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 17 18:58:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 629983BF18; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:58:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopersdelight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Zap4pWP4g/hvm7AlYN+Bk+MI8oBy8+RzEgrXRfFNy7GO5N+Sp7cW0/F+Hx6xO7theNFKDwBFZJxkEyDUb6dcvQPkVySgwlOm3ovVN7Kql6fy5IwNJYzEu3JMZqHm8lFjzSDv+YO0gS72cSiWkOLInjMERzcJV5xcw3ai63YX3Sk= ; Message-ID: <20050817185818.46317.qmail@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:58:17 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: earth as one big woofer To: Loopers-Delight@loopersdelight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1618565589-1124305097=:45335" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:58:19 +0000 (UTC) --0-1618565589-1124305097=:45335 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit bonjour. a few well placed satallite and the aruara borealis could make for one hell of a sound system!!! what about that death ray audio device that supposedlly could knock down superstuctures?put that sucker down in a dormant volcano crater. i always wanted to patch into the emergancy warning system in my town with my guitar...play soothing loop of "imagine" for political reasons... scary visionary --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-1618565589-1124305097=:45335 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
bonjour.
a few well placed satallite and the aruara borealis could make for one hell of a sound system!!!
what about that death ray audio device that supposedlly could knock down superstuctures?put that sucker down in a dormant volcano crater.
i always wanted to patch into the emergancy warning system in my town with my guitar...play soothing loop of "imagine" for political reasons...
scary visionary

Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-1618565589-1124305097=:45335-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 17 19:27:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BDC33BF18; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 19:27:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: <005201c5a050$02b6a800$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3B622E3E-C0D8-43F4-932D-65132904874A@craigmccollough.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Craig McCollough Subject: Re: 2nd SUNDAYS LIVE LOOPING tomorrow: WEIRD KALIMBA/Craig McCollough Santa Cruz Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:26:56 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: craig@craigmccollough.com X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server784.dnslive.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - craigmccollough.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <3hKxED.A.sHE.T-4ADB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 19:27:16 +0000 (UTC) Hey Mark, et al., I've just joined the list, and I did the show with Rick Walker last Sunday night - so I feel like I'm coming out of the live looping closet :-) My set went pretty well (I managed to avoid looking like a deer in headlights, I think :-) - and it's always great to hear Rick play. Good luck with that cold! Cheers, Craig On Aug 17, 2005, at 8:13 AM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > I hope the show went well. I had planned to attend and show support > but found myself fighting a summer cold Sunday night. > > Mark > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 17 19:47:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CE643BF1C; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 19:47:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oUsuEKU/GAJB38XAmr1JXu0xqMtAti2g2ObWNZ1QoDsCrI8lAfknOyM64YSPhf5AmsqTLcowQBm+OQWlfg6hbU13utRvZTWIqPkhjBl7+gcdgu1sAaiVy3W204cRj3w2U8PC3a/7u9Mkgi8c2Snc9g4HnVlESBiq00wZ3n5pXEA= Message-ID: <26ba8d12050817124723d28db3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:47:44 -0400 From: Tom Ritchford Reply-To: tom@swirly.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: earth as one big woofer In-Reply-To: <20050817185818.46317.qmail@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050817185818.46317.qmail@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 19:47:45 +0000 (UTC) One would not like to imagine the possibility of uncontrolled feedback destroying the earth. On 8/17/05, daniel stevenson wrote: > bonjour.=20 > a few well placed satallite and the aruara borealis could make for one he= ll > of a sound system!!!=20 > what about that death ray audio device that supposedlly could knock down > superstuctures?put that sucker down in a dormant volcano crater.=20 > i always wanted to patch into the emergancy warning system in my town wit= h > my guitar...play soothing loop of "imagine" for political reasons...=20 > scary visionary --=20 /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 17 22:22:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 471CF3BF18; Wed, 17 Aug 2005 22:22:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4303BA15.4050607@Hevanet.com> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:28:37 -0700 From: ".David.Auker." User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: earth as one big woofer References: <20050817185818.46317.qmail@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <26ba8d12050817124723d28db3@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <26ba8d12050817124723d28db3@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 22:22:10 +0000 (UTC) Speaking of Loud...a Douglas Adams quote from HHG: "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy notes that Disaster Area, a plutonium rock band from the Gagrakacka Mind Zones, are generally held to be not only the loudest rock band in the Galaxy, but in fact the loudest noise of any kind at all. Regular concert goers judge that the best sound balance is usually to be heard from within large concrete bunkers some thirty-seven miles from the stage, whilst the musicians themselves play their instruments by remote control from within a heavily insulated spaceship which stays in orbit around the planet - or more frequently around a completely different planet. Their songs are on the whole very simple and mostly follow the familiar theme of boy-being meets girl-being beneath a silvery moon, which then explodes for no adequately explored reason. Many worlds have now banned their act altogether, sometimes for artis- tic reasons, but most commonly because the band's public address sys- tem contravenes local strategic arms limitations treaties." Tom Ritchford wrote: >One would not like to imagine the possibility of uncontrolled feedback >destroying the earth. > >On 8/17/05, daniel stevenson wrote: > > >>bonjour. >>a few well placed satallite and the aruara borealis could make for one hell >>of a sound system!!! >>what about that death ray audio device that supposedlly could knock down >>superstuctures?put that sucker down in a dormant volcano crater. >>i always wanted to patch into the emergancy warning system in my town with >>my guitar...play soothing loop of "imagine" for political reasons... >>scary visionary >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 18 00:06:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89E3F3BF26; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 00:06:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hjVDv0dKYIWRZHX9jm0brDWVOXjdpsbeeEJo3GbpxHHVWUUoTON4UKjqbZXstQhTSXvZ0g8yofAHs+8cMm5ow342bfMLAovKZHPKw0vLMu3iGJEdPSk4jotoXYOm7moVwvCGA6pEBHfCKg1L5iutA3tehR0ziLkUDFFLxlAZUUo= Message-ID: <64b81a780508171706ba32921@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:06:38 -0400 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers' Delight Subject: Re: REMINDER: Two Improvisational Looping Web-Based Performances (August 17 - Times Below) In-Reply-To: <004e01c5a27c$4b0c5130$6601a8c0@khartung> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <004e01c5a27c$4b0c5130$6601a8c0@khartung> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 00:06:39 +0000 (UTC) Hey all, I just wanted to thank our friend Krispen for an excellent "show" this evening. I really enjoyed it and hope he makes a regular event out of it. In fact, I'd love to see more of us doing similar and may have to cook up my own broadcast in the future. :) Todd On 8/16/05, Krispen Hartung wrote: > "Looper's Lunch" and "Lights Out with Looping" Web-Based Performances = =20 >=20 > 45 minutes of live improvisational looping streamed to the web in real-t= ime From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 18 00:22:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EE0C3BF19; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 00:22:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: REMINDER: Two Improvisational Looping Web-Based Performances (August 17 - Times Below) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:22:03 -0600 Message-ID: <000001c5a38a$dbc19b40$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <64b81a780508171706ba32921@mail.gmail.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 131, in=392, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 00:22:07 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Todd! It was most enjoyable! :) As long as I haven't used up my bandwidth, I'll continue doing this. I have three live shows next month with wi-fi, so I'll be streaming those. I will do 1 or 2 more studio shows this month too...probably on the weekend instead. I'm also toying around with using some of my server bandwidth to create my own radio station, of over 80 of my original MP3s....not sure yet. Absolutely, I would love to hear other loopers do this. Cheers, Kris -----Original Message----- From: Todd Pafford [mailto:calenlas@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 6:07 PM To: Loopers' Delight Subject: Re: REMINDER: Two Improvisational Looping Web-Based Performances (August 17 - Times Below) Hey all, I just wanted to thank our friend Krispen for an excellent "show" this evening. I really enjoyed it and hope he makes a regular event out of it. In fact, I'd love to see more of us doing similar and may have to cook up my own broadcast in the future. :) Todd On 8/16/05, Krispen Hartung wrote: > "Looper's Lunch" and "Lights Out with Looping" Web-Based > Performances > > 45 minutes of live improvisational looping streamed to the web in > real-time From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 18 03:55:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B5E13BF19; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 03:55:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3xC/Qpszr+y509MfCKmUBoYaQjZa2XLmv0uJHVww0VZ9De/TvoZ63EAuvyrLbM1ZBs1ohXnRii+XxPqWWov06w9LNwtCnFgfsjUWwhqRHl2l+nc32BMnZLkXsdfr7y3IJBIC/Wjs5jRv3F3r28qGfrBmxatH00atFLEVstgRAho= ; Message-ID: <20050818035512.21979.qmail@web32504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:55:12 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: earth as one big woofer To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4303BA15.4050607@Hevanet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1366268458-1124337312=:21567" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 03:55:14 +0000 (UTC) --0-1366268458-1124337312=:21567 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit have you started your bank account to get a ticket for the resturant at the end of the universe? ".David.Auker." wrote:Speaking of Loud...a Douglas Adams quote from HHG: "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy notes that Disaster Area, a plutonium rock band from the Gagrakacka Mind Zones, are generally held to be not only the loudest rock band in the Galaxy, but in fact the loudest noise of any kind at all. Regular concert goers judge that the best sound balance is usually to be heard from within large concrete bunkers some thirty-seven miles from the stage, whilst the musicians themselves play their instruments by remote control from within a heavily insulated spaceship which stays in orbit around the planet - or more frequently around a completely different planet. Their songs are on the whole very simple and mostly follow the familiar theme of boy-being meets girl-being beneath a silvery moon, which then explodes for no adequately explored reason. Many worlds have now banned their act altogether, sometimes for artis- tic reasons, but most commonly because the band's public address sys- tem contravenes local strategic arms limitations treaties." Tom Ritchford wrote: >One would not like to imagine the possibility of uncontrolled feedback >destroying the earth. > >On 8/17/05, daniel stevenson wrote: > > >>bonjour. >>a few well placed satallite and the aruara borealis could make for one hell >>of a sound system!!! >>what about that death ray audio device that supposedlly could knock down >>superstuctures?put that sucker down in a dormant volcano crater. >>i always wanted to patch into the emergancy warning system in my town with >>my guitar...play soothing loop of "imagine" for political reasons... >>scary visionary >> >> > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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".David.Auker." <DaVAuk@Hevanet.com> wrote:
Speaking of Loud...a Douglas Adams quote from HHG:

"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy notes that Disaster Area, a
plutonium rock band from the Gagrakacka Mind Zones, are generally
held to be not only the loudest rock band in the Galaxy, but in fact the
loudest noise of any kind at all. Regular concert goers judge that the best
sound balance is usually to be heard from within large concrete bunkers
some thirty-seven miles from the stage, whilst the musicians themselves
play their instruments by remote control from within a heavily insulated
spaceship which stays in orbit around the planet - or more frequently
around a completely different planet.

Their songs are on the whole very simple and mostly follow the familiar
theme of boy-being meets girl-being beneath a silvery moon, which then
explodes for no adequately explored reason.

Many worlds have now banned their act altogether, sometimes for artis-
tic reasons, but most commonly because the band's public address sys-
tem contravenes local strategic arms limitations treaties."



Tom Ritchford wrote:

>One would not like to imagine the possibility of uncontrolled feedback
>destroying the earth.
>
>On 8/17/05, daniel stevenson wrote:
>
>
>>bonjour.
>>a few well placed satallite and the aruara borealis could make for one hell
>>of a sound system!!!
>>what about that death ray audio device that supposedlly could knock down
>>superstuctures?put that sucker down in a dormant volcano crater.
>>i always wanted to patch into the emergancy warning system in my town with
>>my guitar...play soothing loop of "imagine" for political reasons...
>>scary visionary
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-1366268458-1124337312=:21567-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 18 09:06:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47B753BF19; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:06:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050818014919.0476c8e8@annihilist.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 02:08:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Message from Richard Zvonar's sister Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 09:06:13 +0000 (UTC) Hi Looper's Delight folks- I received a nice email from Richard Zvonar's sister, Dorie Griggs. She read the many tributes that people have posted for Richard here at Looper's Delight, and was quite grateful. She says: "I visited the Loopers Delight web site and read some of the tributes to Rich. He was such a special brother. It is comforting to know so many of his peers also saw his true self. I've been in touch with the American Composers Forum – LA chapter. In addition to the donations Pam requested in his memory we are donating to the acf/LA since they were a big part of his community. They may have a function in his honor sometime this Fall which we hope to attend." If you are interested, the info for making a donation in Richard's memory: American Composers Forum P.O. Box 29217 Los Angeles, CA 90029-0217 When more information is available about the ACF function in Richard's honor, we will post it here to let people know. thanks, kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 18 10:58:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BAE23BF20; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:58:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43046997.6040203@soundscapes.us> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 06:57:27 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: AIMusic Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and the AM/FM Show Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:58:39 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ================================================================================ Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt ================================================================================ Tonight on Galactic Travels, I'll continue a month-long Special Focus on the Klaus Schulze Deluxe Edition reissues. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Dune" on InsideOut Music's Revisited imprint. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Oxygene" by Jean Michel Jarre on Polydor Records and released in 1976. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#aug Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and on the internet. THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ================================================================================ My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be this Saturday, August 20 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 18 14:53:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9E713BF2D; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:53:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:53:36 -0400 From: Dan Ash Subject: Re: REMINDER: Two Improvisational Looping Web-Based Performances (August 17 - Times Below) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4304A0F0.90203@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) Resent-Message-ID: <34qvLD.A.QkD.6DKBDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 14:53:46 +0000 (UTC) Yes - I enjoyed Krispen's concert yesterday via Shoutcast, too. The 96KHz rate yielded terrific fidelity, and the stream was pretty solid - there were a few dropouts, but this could easily have been my DSL service, which has been less robust than usual lately. The performance was great and included some very interesting loopage and synthage. An international real-time event! I'm very interested in how the technology behaves in the planned remote performances, too. Dan Ash White Plains, NY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 18 19:38:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6343D3BF2C; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:38:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Selling my Boss GT-3 on eBay Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 13:38:32 -0600 Message-ID: <002901c5a42c$6b2c5170$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01C5A3FA.2091E170" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: ***: 3.000000 Aspam=3.0 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 132, in=394, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:38:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C5A3FA.2091E170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cleaning out my closet and selling my Boss GT-3 on eBay, Buy Now price is $160, which is a bit lower than normal: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:US:1 1&item=7344451273 You can hear this beasty in action on my first CD: http://www.krispenhartung.com/cd.htm Check out the mellow guitar synth tone on Fremmed Sinn, the saw wav synth tone in the intro of Lovecraft Resurrected, and the etheral tones on Unsheltered Lift.all GT-3. Cheers, ************************************************************************ ********* Krispen Hartung Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 Subscribe to email list: krispenhartung-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Performance Calendar: http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartu ng ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C5A3FA.2091E170 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Selling my Boss GT-3 on eBay

Cleaning out my closet and selling my = Boss GT-3 on eBay, Buy Now price is $160, which is a bit lower than = normal:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPage= Name=3DADME:L:LCA:US:11&item=3D7344451273

You can hear this beasty in action on = my first CD: http://www.krispenhartung.com/cd.htm

Check out the mellow guitar synth = tone on Fremmed Sinn, the saw wav synth tone in the intro of Lovecraft = Resurrected, and the etheral tones on Unsheltered Lift…all GT-3. =

Cheers,

**********************************************************= ***********************
Krispen Hartung
Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping = Guitarist
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com / = 208-724-5603
Subscribe to email list: = krispenhartung-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Performance Calendar:
http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&v= alue=3DKrispen%20Hartung

------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C5A3FA.2091E170-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 18 19:54:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2ADBC3BF39; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:54:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 12:54:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Legion X-Sender: legion@bunsen.sv1.telcogurus.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Roland VG_8ex editor Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:54:45 +0000 (UTC) I'm finally getting my midi act together and was surpised to find I can't seem to find a VG-ex editor available. I know there is VEditor V 0.51 out but this is for the VG88. Will it work ok with the VG8-ex? I have a PC with Windows XP home edition on it and don't have any other editing software. I'm not looking for a librarian but rather a full editor which displays parameters, etc. Perhaps someone has archived an earlier version of the editor before the 88 came out? Any help greatly appreciated! ___________________________________________________________________ HELP WANTED PRODUCTIONS - Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com "Bringing you the best in Organic Electronic music since we started..." Home of the Unusual Instrument and Recording Gallery with pictures and info of Tube recorders, Omnichords, weird guitars, Casios, and more. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 18 21:37:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03E133BF33; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 21:37:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: minimized loop setup Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 23:38:45 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c5a43d$3688c320$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <3wFpE.A.gx.Y-PBDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 21:37:28 +0000 (UTC) So I'm thinking about deviating from my "maximum flexiblity, maximum processing power" approach and create a looping setup which is (compared to most of my setups) rather minimalistic (meaning a guitar or bass and a small custom-built floor board) but, given the small size, quite flexible and powerful. So here is my requirement spec: Must have: * input for guitar or bass * amp/cabinet modeling or something that properly replaces this * wah, volume pedal * looper AND delay * possibility to do lots of weird things * easy to "play with" Would be nice: * input of microphone signal possible The setup should be installed on a board of a size...say...two FCB1010s maximum (including power adapters etc.) for easy transportation in a fitting case, and should not cost too much (this is not a very precise requirement spec I'm afraid). It would also be cool to be able to reuse some of my toys in the attic, although not really a requirement... Here's some ideas I've come up with: Processing: * Korg KP2 - I already have it. I can play it with my toes (tried that, it works). Could use it to control MIDI-controllable devices * Clavia MicroModular - got to find some use for it if I decide to get a G2 engine. This can do lots of really crazy things (including a guitar synth), can be controlled by the KP2, and can even act as a drum machine * Alesis Bitrman. Heard of so many people here who are using it... * Something by ZVex...his things seem to be cool - what about the Machine? Or the Octane? Wah: * Any of you know the Ibanez WD10? This seems to be another one of those digital modeling thingies. I had some time ago played with the Boss VWah (or whatever) and did not like it. Is the WD10 any better? * An alternative would be the Wah Probe by ZVex. Any users here? * Or I could use the Bad Horsie II. This is not very flexible, but very cool... Amp modeling: * Behringer's X VAmp. Nice package for my application. Relatively cheap. Are there any alternatives? (Korg Pandora series?) Looping/Delay: I believe I need two devices here, one of which could be my DL4, although it takes up lots of real estate...devices I thought about: * Boss DD20 * Boxx RC-20(XL) * Digitech Jamman Both the RC-20 and the Jamman seem to be loopers "only", while the DD20 (and also the DL4) are delays with loop capabilities. I think about combining one of each group...price-wise, the Jamman is cheaper than the RC-20 (while the DD20 is still cheaper). Pros/Cons of RC-20 (XL) vs. Jamman? Pros/Cons of DD20 vs. DL4? So one possible signal chain might be: (Guitar)->Machine->WD10->Jamman->XVamp=>MicroMod=>KP2=>(Volume Pedal)=>DD20=>(Out) Any thoughts about that? I've never created a setup of this kind before... Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 18 21:47:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0EC63BF35; Thu, 18 Aug 2005 21:47:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: minimized setup...post scriptum Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 23:49:06 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c5a43e$a8572c20$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 21:47:48 +0000 (UTC) ...and would it make more sense to throw out the lots of dedicated effects (Machine, Bitrman, Wah pedal, amp modeller) and use a multieffect floorboard (Boss GT series etc.) instead? Any suggestions on these? Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 19 00:49:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C793A3BF28; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 00:49:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=xgCrHsLNMDgJjytDD5aAC0RtnChU1M/6xSW2VKRckRxIb6CVcEB/y5TZBZLY3lqfuhI2Udm95QgjxcDo4sjS/QuwlJorn3Gzgcd9IvRidAPZ8fcZV/XbLLPXlkrrSpZHPqvkofTycgAJHmK7bTYlWL/xI5nVs+rFTLrpsvs4wEk= ; Message-ID: <20050819004934.8268.qmail@web32511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:49:34 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: minimized loop setup To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000001c5a43d$3688c320$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2055203610-1124412574=:7028" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 00:49:35 +0000 (UTC) --0-2055203610-1124412574=:7028 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit minimal?i run a guitar =dl4=strait to the board in a venue situation.easy sound check 15 seconds max...sound check my ass i just start playing and they get a level ...no need for show biz stuff like introductions, just one long sonic journey till the sound man beams me with a flashlight to "untrance"me...(its fun to end like a dear in the headlights) minimalism is the way(less weak links to worry about) ten years ago i would have scoffed at this philosophy! why do i still want stereo edps?perhaps im in denial/acceptance... Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: So I'm thinking about deviating from my "maximum flexiblity, maximum processing power" approach and create a looping setup which is (compared to most of my setups) rather minimalistic (meaning a guitar or bass and a small custom-built floor board) but, given the small size, quite flexible and powerful. So here is my requirement spec: Must have: * input for guitar or bass * amp/cabinet modeling or something that properly replaces this * wah, volume pedal * looper AND delay * possibility to do lots of weird things * easy to "play with" Would be nice: * input of microphone signal possible The setup should be installed on a board of a size...say...two FCB1010s maximum (including power adapters etc.) for easy transportation in a fitting case, and should not cost too much (this is not a very precise requirement spec I'm afraid). It would also be cool to be able to reuse some of my toys in the attic, although not really a requirement... Here's some ideas I've come up with: Processing: * Korg KP2 - I already have it. I can play it with my toes (tried that, it works). Could use it to control MIDI-controllable devices * Clavia MicroModular - got to find some use for it if I decide to get a G2 engine. This can do lots of really crazy things (including a guitar synth), can be controlled by the KP2, and can even act as a drum machine * Alesis Bitrman. Heard of so many people here who are using it... * Something by ZVex...his things seem to be cool - what about the Machine? Or the Octane? Wah: * Any of you know the Ibanez WD10? This seems to be another one of those digital modeling thingies. I had some time ago played with the Boss VWah (or whatever) and did not like it. Is the WD10 any better? * An alternative would be the Wah Probe by ZVex. Any users here? * Or I could use the Bad Horsie II. This is not very flexible, but very cool... Amp modeling: * Behringer's X VAmp. Nice package for my application. Relatively cheap. Are there any alternatives? (Korg Pandora series?) Looping/Delay: I believe I need two devices here, one of which could be my DL4, although it takes up lots of real estate...devices I thought about: * Boss DD20 * Boxx RC-20(XL) * Digitech Jamman Both the RC-20 and the Jamman seem to be loopers "only", while the DD20 (and also the DL4) are delays with loop capabilities. I think about combining one of each group...price-wise, the Jamman is cheaper than the RC-20 (while the DD20 is still cheaper). Pros/Cons of RC-20 (XL) vs. Jamman? Pros/Cons of DD20 vs. DL4? So one possible signal chain might be: (Guitar)->Machine->WD10->Jamman->XVamp=>MicroMod=>KP2=>(Volume Pedal)=>DD20=>(Out) Any thoughts about that? I've never created a setup of this kind before... Rainer __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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minimal?i run a guitar =dl4=strait to the board in a venue situation.easy sound check 15 seconds max...sound check my ass i just start playing and they get a level ...no need for show biz stuff like introductions, just one long sonic journey till the sound man beams me with a flashlight to "untrance"me...(its fun to end  like a dear in the headlights)
minimalism is the way(less weak links to worry about)
ten years ago i would have scoffed at this philosophy!
why do i still want stereo edps?perhaps im in denial/acceptance...

Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:
So I'm thinking about deviating from my "maximum flexiblity, maximum
processing power" approach and create a looping setup which is (compared
to most of my setups) rather minimalistic (meaning a guitar or bass and
a small custom-built floor board) but, given the small size, quite
flexible and powerful. So here is my requirement spec:

Must have:
* input for guitar or bass
* amp/cabinet modeling or something that properly replaces this
* wah, volume pedal
* looper AND delay
* possibility to do lots of weird things
* easy to "play with"

Would be nice:
* input of microphone signal possible

The setup should be installed on a board of a size...say...two FCB1010s
maximum (including power adapters etc.) for easy transportation in a
fitting case, and should not cost too much (this is not a very precise
requirement spec I'm afraid). It would also be cool to be able to reuse
some of my toys in the attic, although not really a requirement...


Here's some ideas I've come up with:

Processing:
* Korg KP2 - I already have it. I can play it with my toes
(tried that, it works). Could use it to control MIDI-controllable
devices
* Clavia MicroModular - got to find some use for it if I decide
to get a G2 engine. This can do lots of really crazy things (including a
guitar synth), can be controlled by the KP2, and can even act as a drum
machine
* Alesis Bitrman. Heard of so many people here who are using
it...
* Something by ZVex...his things seem to be cool - what about
the Machine? Or the Octane?

Wah:
* Any of you know the Ibanez WD10? This seems to be another one
of those digital modeling thingies. I had some time ago played with the
Boss VWah (or whatever) and did not like it. Is the WD10 any better?
* An alternative would be the Wah Probe by ZVex. Any users here?
* Or I could use the Bad Horsie II. This is not very flexible,
but very cool...

Amp modeling:
* Behringer's X VAmp. Nice package for my application.
Relatively cheap. Are there any alternatives? (Korg Pandora series?)

Looping/Delay:
I believe I need two devices here, one of which could be my DL4,
although it takes up lots of real estate...devices I thought about:
* Boss DD20
* Boxx RC-20(XL)
* Digitech Jamman
Both the RC-20 and the Jamman seem to be loopers "only", while the DD20
(and also the DL4) are delays with loop capabilities. I think about
combining one of each group...price-wise, the Jamman is cheaper than the
RC-20 (while the DD20 is still cheaper). Pros/Cons of RC-20 (XL) vs.
Jamman? Pros/Cons of DD20 vs. DL4?

So one possible signal chain might be:

(Guitar)->Machine->WD10->Jamman->XVamp=>MicroMod=>KP2=>(Volume
Pedal)=>DD20=>(Out)


Any thoughts about that? I've never created a setup of this kind
before...

Rainer


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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-2055203610-1124412574=:7028-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 19 20:37:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8170E3BF37; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 20:37:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=oNugQm0ZjSo4mI3S/Hr/3K3JOCSDDk6MJRu2zFcXyORrlXGHpboIy4Xr49DLN6SowXMn4zcj80caRKddoZ0TBr4v/00bojMnQBPh0h2Fg2w/3cG2y+NEcQiauO96sZR/zvJX/xE35uE2leAtblxFPPO7XPT3zFiAj7hj8k2eAGc= ; Message-ID: <20050819203718.39207.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:37:18 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: minimized loop setup To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000001c5a43d$3688c320$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 20:37:26 +0000 (UTC) Oh Rainer.. such lofty plans. I keep trying to do something like this... but it never really feels "minimal" when I'm packing it all up and moving it around. Here's a few of my thoughts... of a minimal setup. Yes on the idea of the KAOSS pad. Great because it has line and mike inputs. Acts as a MIDI controller/effect for my Alesis Micron AND my electric kazoo. It also has a few cool sounds of it's own for crazy times. Then I like to bring along some sort of sequencer/workstation type thing for sequenced beats and as a live sound source. E-MU Command Stations are good as they have lots of ROM slots and two stereo outputs. Unfortunatly it's kind of big. For variation I'll bring a Korg ESX-1 Electribe Sampler/Workstation. It's smaller. For guitar I use a Vox Tonelab SE. Best amp mod out there IMO, and you're going to want something on the floor, eh? It is big though. Comes with a nice 8 sec looper and lots of delay patches that sound like old analog delays. Assign one of the pedels to the time parimeter and you're off for some wacky sounds. I've been using a cheap Behringer Mixer, but it's far to big. Better get a small Mackie. then a small rack with my Repeater and Lexicon MPX1 in it. My hope is to get a second Repeater so I can go sans Rack.. or have a Repeater/Mixer rack. Maybe build something shallow for it. --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > * Alesis Bitrman. Heard of so many people here who > are using > it... I find the Bitrman to be a bit one dimensional. I took it out of my setup last time I played and never missed it. > * Any of you know the Ibanez WD10? This seems to be > another one > of those digital modeling thingies. I had some time > ago played with the > Boss VWah (or whatever) and did not like it. Is the > WD10 any better? Really? I thought the VWah ruled. I got rid of it because I thought the Wah stuff in the Tonelab was pretty good as well and needed floor space. I didn't like the way it programmed though but I thought the sound was great. > Amp modeling: > * Behringer's X VAmp. Nice package for my > application. > Relatively cheap. Are there any alternatives? (Korg > Pandora series?) I found the Behringer to be not quite worth it. Pandoras... better but more of a cool practice tool. I was using the Bass version as a dedicated bass pre and found I got better results using the Vox and just going through the trouble of potting down and switching instruments. > > Looping/Delay: > I believe I need two devices here, one of which > could be my DL4, > although it takes up lots of real estate...devices I > thought about: > * Boss DD20 I love the DD-20 mainly because I can get 2 loops of different lengths running on it and it has feedback control, something I think the DL4, Digitech JamMan and RC-20s don't have. It's a must for me as I love to let my loops evolve. Sounds to me like you'll need some sort of a mixer to make it work if you're looking to blend synth sounds and guitar sounds. Could be mounted on a floor pedel but I like mine on a tabletop. I'm thinking of trying to find a DJ coffin or something that I could make so I could put the groovebox/repeater/KAOSS/mixer setup in/on and throw it up on a keyboard stand and be done with it. I'm going to abandon bringing out the MICRON too. Nice to have a keyboard but too much and the E-MU Commandstation's pads are velocity sensitive and have after touch. Ok, they feel kind of like crap and are only one octive... but I felt the last time I played the Alesis was just too much. So that and throw the VOX on the floor and I should have a pretty flexible little stealth rig. Mark > > So one possible signal chain might be: > > (Guitar)->Machine->WD10->Jamman->XVamp=>MicroMod=>KP2=>(Volume > Pedal)=>DD20=>(Out) > > > Any thoughts about that? I've never created a setup > of this kind > before... > > Rainer > > > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 19 21:48:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19DEC3BF38; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:48:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 17:44:40 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: minimized loop setup To: Message-id: <000401c5a507$344f6620$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050819203718.39207.qmail@web81302.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:48:15 +0000 (UTC) Question - "minimized" OR "quick" set-up? Personally, I would like both. But I go for "quick" first. It is more important when I am playing live. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 19 21:50:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BE333BF3B; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:50:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0YNH6h/Q6iFJ5QfkNWqQsOBxSEt1XoYQaUJa3dLAc3axHIGyvLGnTJARzfe1GEdGKToGE9GWkM81MX3A1maTacNrapPP1ORZzft7sJyhnbgHVs1CViV5fUKXX5sp4PrdKIGLdgGgP/LSPWxizD4Ui0mZNqXD6ic45wLeTGT7u2k= ; Message-ID: <20050819214959.65660.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:49:59 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: minimized loop setup To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000401c5a507$344f6620$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:50:03 +0000 (UTC) True, and I'm banking on the fact that someone smart will have a stem-cell grown spinal cord for me one day. --- David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Question - "minimized" OR "quick" set-up? > > Personally, I would like both. But I go for "quick" > first. It is more > important when I am playing live. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 19 21:54:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2A8E3BF36; Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:54:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 17:58:39 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: minimized loop setup To: Message-id: <000901c5a509$28b70960$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050819214959.65660.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:54:19 +0000 (UTC) Well, so you mean looping is keeping your muscles fit too? What a bonus, huh? :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "mark sottilaro" To: Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 5:49 PM Subject: Re: minimized loop setup > True, and I'm banking on the fact that someone smart > will have a stem-cell grown spinal cord for me one > day. > > --- David Kirkdorffer wrote: > > > Question - "minimized" OR "quick" set-up? > > > > Personally, I would like both. But I go for "quick" > > first. It is more > > important when I am playing live. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 20 00:44:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1457B3BF3E; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 00:44:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: minimized loop setup Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 02:45:25 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c5a520$789d7a10$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000401c5a507$344f6620$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: <6NnEDB.A.BPH.pznBDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 00:44:26 +0000 (UTC) "minimized" is to be seen as "minimized vs. my big setup (including 8HU angled rack, two synths, drum machine, FCB1010, VBass,...) quick setup is also intended. Plug in the power chord, plug in the guitar, connect the output to the PA...set. I'm thinking about a suitcase (perhaps with detachable lid) where I would put in one wooden board with the pedals plus the power distribution attached to it, then another smaller board with the KP2 and the MicroMod.=20 >From what I've read and seen, those guitar multi-effect floorboards seem to be in use by about anyone. So I might also use one of those. What is the way to go - Boss (GT-8), Digitech,...?). Note that while I liked the amp models of the POD XT Live, I didn't like its system structure, so this one is not in the run. And then there is the question "do I need anything else in addition to the looper, the looper/delay, the MicroMod and the KP2"? I actually want to have two loopers: one "main looper" somewhere near the beginning of the chain (to be able to put effects on the looped signal), and one delay with looping capabilities at the end of the chain. For the latter, the only alternative to the DL4 seems to be the Boss DD-20. For the first looper, I'm thinking about the Digitech Jamman. It also offers a microphone input. So one possible setup would be guitar->GT-8 (with Jamman in the effects loop)->MicroMod->KP2->DD20/DL4. Or I could go with a super-cheap amp modeler (read: Behringer XVAMP) and invest the money I saved in comparison to the GT-8 into a nice wah and lots of stompboxes...thoughts? Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net]=20 Gesendet: Freitag, 19. August 2005 23:45 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: minimized loop setup Question - "minimized" OR "quick" set-up? Personally, I would like both. But I go for "quick" first. It is more important when I am playing live. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 20 04:49:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83D363BF47; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 04:49:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 00:49:38 EDT Subject: Re: AW: minimized loop setup To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_dc.2be71cd8.30381062_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 04:49:41 +0000 (UTC) --part1_dc.2be71cd8.30381062_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/19/05 8:44:47 PM, rs@moinlabs.de writes: > Or I could go with a super-cheap amp > modeler (read: Behringer XVAMP) and invest the money I saved in > comparison to the GT-8 into a nice wah and lots of > stompboxes...thoughts? > > rainer.....what's the deal with the amp modeler? is this really a necesssary piece of kit?.....i'm curious in terms of minimal.....i decided, all i'm bringing to zurich is: guitar>ineko>rang send>btrman>ineko>channel on mixer/rang aux>btrman>channel2 of mixer.....so the rang, 2 bitrman and 2 ineko.....we shall see what this combo will produce.....when i play "puff the magic dragon" i hope you all sing along.....:).....get as many cheap little boxes as you can, that's the way i'm goin!.....granted, without the MIDI stuff you got to use your toes to twist these little knobs or get use to "not playing" relax and allow the loop to do its thing while you play the boxes.....so looking forward to meeting all of you.....wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!.....mic --part1_dc.2be71cd8.30381062_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 8/19/05 8:44:47 PM, rs@moinlabs.de writes:


Or I could go with a=20= super-cheap amp
modeler (read: Behringer XVAMP) and invest the money I saved in
comparison to the GT-8 into a nice wah and lots of
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rainer.....what's the deal with the amp modeler? is this really a necesssary= piece of kit?.....i'm curious in terms of minimal.....i decided, all i'm br= inging to zurich is: guitar>ineko>rang send>btrman>ineko>chan= nel on mixer/rang aux>btrman>channel2 of mixer.....so the rang, 2 bitr= man and 2 ineko.....we shall see what this combo will produce.....when i pla= y "puff the magic dragon" i hope you all sing along.....:).....get as many c= heap little boxes as you can, that's the way i'm goin!.....granted, without=20= the MIDI stuff you got to use your toes to twist these little knobs or get u= se to "not playing"  relax and allow the loop to do its thing while yo= u play the boxes.....so looking forward to meeting all of you.....wheeeeeeee= eeeeeee!!!!!.....mic --part1_dc.2be71cd8.30381062_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 20 05:48:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D59353BF46; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 05:48:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.54.161.208] X-Originating-Email: [ekstasis1@hotmail.com] X-Sender: ekstasis1@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <020701c5a2d9$90626e60$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "max valentino" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: AW: transistor radios Re: Re: bose pa speaker thingie Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 05:48:54 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Aug 2005 05:48:55.0045 (UTC) FILETIME=[D9D11B50:01C5A54A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 05:48:58 +0000 (UTC) >From: "loop.pool" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" >Subject: AW: transistor radios Re: Re: bose pa speaker thingie >Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 20:12:56 -0700 > >Rainer wrote: >"Now it might be a problem to get FM radio frequencies to send on...don't >know how this is in the US, but I can tell you this is a no-no in >Germany." > >I don't know about in Germany, but here in America you can buy kids toys >that have really cheap and weak wireless transmitters built into a >microphone so >that you can tune your FM radio to a certain channel and then broadcast on >it. >They make them in China and Taiwan. You can get 10 or 15 feet away from >the reciever but not much further. > >I have done a piece of music where I took three boomboxes and then played >with those toy mics directionally. You can then 'play' the noise sources >as you turn in and out of the field of each boombox. It's pretty cool >and the auto tune features of the FM radios result in a virtual >hard gating of the transmission when you turn off axis to the different FM >radios so you can make rhythmically precise moves. > >I took the graphic equalizers and just made radically different EQ curves >so that the noise >transmitted would appear to be a different pitch (or actually range of >pitches). > >It was pretty amazing, It took a little while to get the coordination down >but I was able to do some pretty articulate phrases by moving the micropone >through space with quick right angle moves. > >Does this make sense what I'm describing. It was very low tech but very >cool. >Unfortunately I didn't record it. :-( > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 20 06:03:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58C603BF4B; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 06:03:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CdhWno5uVaCFUKXPTw4mSdzuQHykRIuYmkK0KJRyNJEgHPvtu19sMDRC6bRuq7KdY67PXwsr0yzEF4MZ8jA6NorjrUzGoFIWc05bpolEfh5aoF3tHezNf+Syx0GCYGnAw70Te36qn0aAz3Wptfd+obMWJ4WEVu4q41j8UxhVMsg= ; Message-ID: <20050820060326.4163.qmail@web40827.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 23:03:26 -0700 (PDT) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: AW: minimized loop setup To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000001c5a520$789d7a10$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 06:03:29 +0000 (UTC) --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > So one possible setup would be guitar->GT-8 (with > Jamman in the effects > loop)->MicroMod->KP2->DD20/DL4. Or I could go with a > super-cheap amp > modeler (read: Behringer XVAMP) and invest the money > I saved in > comparison to the GT-8 into a nice wah and lots of > stompboxes...thoughts? The $99 Zoom G2 pedal has amp emulations as well as effects. It seems to have some interesting delay capabilities as well. I would buy one if I didn't already have a GT-8. I love my GT-8. It is just about the best bang-for-buck purchase I've ever made. For what you would spend for a wah & a few fx pedals you could get a GT-8 & have a lot more fun. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 20 15:21:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A7473BF2E; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:21:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 11:21:00 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Looper's Delight Mailing List Subject: Re: [LOOP] minimized loop setup In-Reply-To: <000001c5a43d$3688c320$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Message-ID: References: <000001c5a43d$3688c320$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:21:09 +0000 (UTC) (various gear commentary below, sorry it took a couple of days) On Thu, 18 Aug 2005, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > So I'm thinking about deviating from my "maximum flexiblity, maximum > processing power" approach and create a looping setup which is (compared > to most of my setups) rather minimalistic (meaning a guitar or bass and > a small custom-built floor board) but, given the small size, quite > flexible and powerful. So here is my requirement spec: [snip] > * Something by ZVex...his things seem to be cool - what about > the Machine? Or the Octane? My opinion for max noise versatility in Z-Vex's line, get a Fuzz Factory. I also like his new Johnny Octave. > Wah: > * Any of you know the Ibanez WD10? This seems to be another one > of those digital modeling thingies. I had some time ago played with the > Boss VWah (or whatever) and did not like it. Is the WD10 any better? > * An alternative would be the Wah Probe by ZVex. Any users here? Worked with one for a couple of hours, have a Z-Vex Trem Probe. A problem with the theremin control for the Z-Vex Probe series is that, since the control is a field effect (your foot a certain distance from the surface plate) you cannot leave the pedal at a given value, then step off it and have that value retained. I like the Probe series, but then I also play theremin. :) > combining one of each group...price-wise, the Jamman is cheaper than the > RC-20 (while the DD20 is still cheaper). Pros/Cons of RC-20 (XL) vs. > Jamman? I have a Boss RC-20 LoopStation (non-XL), and a Digitech Jamman. I like the Jamman over the RC-20 for more memory, for USB up/download of samples onto the card without having to remove the card from the Jamman (WinXP, Mac OS X support), for the behavior of the optional footswitch (the Jamman manual calls for an FS-3X footswitch, my Digitech FS-300 footswitch I bought for use with my Electrix Repeater Mark I is identical) that the footswitch allows you to go up *and* down the samples (the RC-20 only allows you to increment up through the samples), and for the Digitech's ability to mark any of the 99 loops as one-shot nonrepeating samples (RC-20 only has one one-shot sample, in #11 of 11). I like the RC-20 over the Digitech for its ability to run on batteries, and for reverse playback of loops. best, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ Fukadugalon, Audio Arcade, Orjazimprove, others From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 20 21:39:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31DCD3BF0E; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 21:39:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopersdelight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OfSwDNk9iQOccUoK/XEaIYZylI5svAiz1dMdM+lRGz+WvnxhxOQeJpsuHE9VY2PZKcX41Qpowkl5CHeZhwes8JIQBqOHTJI4CE+d0a3a+k4nivHwXnsJL2W3J6DS8nf489WbCJvg1qYTd8N3IECZOqDZerQ3pkzdoaLjKeSMe30= ; Message-ID: <20050820213955.15109.qmail@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 14:39:54 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: effects/synth/sequencer/loops=palm sized unit To: Loopers-Delight@loopersdelight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-729022540-1124573994=:14573" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 21:39:57 +0000 (UTC) --0-729022540-1124573994=:14573 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit sup how long do ya think it will be untill someone puts it all together in one small package?i fear the big manufacturers dont want to make it so easy for us.they are concerned too much with profits and selling us peice by piece yet remain competitive.like the oil companies silence fuel alternatives. scary --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-729022540-1124573994=:14573 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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how long do ya think it will be untill someone puts it all together in one small package?i fear the big manufacturers dont want to make it so easy for us.they are concerned too much with profits and selling us peice by piece yet remain competitive.like the oil companies silence fuel alternatives.
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Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-729022540-1124573994=:14573-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 20 22:03:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 138AA3BF37; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 22:03:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Qx0UHQVp9Xx5QQCvtTCt6dNeelaJAhqVbOrkTiGAkO2tGRFkPt0AnFPyWtMAbL3MFMmKMm6XUAVXRl5Gjv/lRRUbE5fArzxPWaThr/Q7T8O7WSZzYKInsfEswLwgBE2IBpajXpppbz+n2D1Sr+garQrDXtUuAbd5fiUfiYT8QSk= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:03:33 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: effects/synth/sequencer/loops=palm sized unit In-Reply-To: <20050820213955.15109.qmail@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050820213955.15109.qmail@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5jC3VC.A.Z_E.2i6BDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 22:03:34 +0000 (UTC) They already did--it's called a Mac Mini. =20 Of course, if you want to be able to access what amounts to project studio worth of functionality, you need a keyboard, monitor and mouse, but c'est la vie. The iron triangle of cost/size/ease-of-use is sort of...iron-clad. On 8/20/05, daniel stevenson wrote: > sup=20 > how long do ya think it will be untill someone puts it all together in on= e > small package?i fear the big manufacturers dont want to make it so easy f= or > us.they are concerned too much with profits and selling us peice by piece > yet remain competitive.like the oil companies silence fuel alternatives.= =20 > scary > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 20 22:08:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EB9A3BF42; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 22:08:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000a01c5a5d4$eb96b720$1f03d00c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <20050820213955.15109.qmail@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: effects/synth/sequencer/loops=palm sized unit Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:17:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 22:08:22 +0000 (UTC) And then there's the Neko, but it ain't small! http://www.openlabs.com/products/product_info-nekoseries.htm Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 21 01:43:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 207743BF3A; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 01:43:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=N2AAiphjEcJzHe8sQv/LB6PyA5moDwj21x+sHtqFOqiTdYjCfaW1B0q+f7tDOQgl; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-22005802115132460@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: minimized loop setup Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 21:51:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94057497b252609f5d97e68e0e18d8fddda350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.91.162.224 Resent-Message-ID: <5eBXeD.A.OpG.Vx9BDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 01:43:50 +0000 (UTC) The little 1/2-rack Boss VF-1 is a mighty powerful box! Many great sounds, both "normal" sounds and "art" sounds. But you need a foot controller if you wanna use it live. Not a problem, but not compact, when you include all the necessary pieces. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: John Tidwell > To: > Date: 8/20/2005 2:03:29 AM > Subject: Re: AW: minimized loop setup > > --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > wrote: > > > So one possible setup would be guitar->GT-8 (with > > Jamman in the effects > > loop)->MicroMod->KP2->DD20/DL4. Or I could go with a > > super-cheap amp > > modeler (read: Behringer XVAMP) and invest the money > > I saved in > > comparison to the GT-8 into a nice wah and lots of > > stompboxes...thoughts? > > The $99 Zoom G2 pedal has amp emulations as well as > effects. It seems to have some interesting delay > capabilities as well. I would buy one if I didn't > already have a GT-8. I love my GT-8. It is just about > the best bang-for-buck purchase I've ever made. For > what you would spend for a wah & a few fx pedals you > could get a GT-8 & have a lot more fun. > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail for Mobile > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 21 05:16:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0E673BF3D; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 05:16:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43080DF0.4050208@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 01:15:28 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for August 20, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 05:16:45 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2005/050820.html I host the Saturday AM/FM Show every other week where I play electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #72 August 20, 2005. During Phase I of this show, I continued the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. During Phase III, I played the music of some of the bands that will be playing at Prog in the Park. One of those bands will be playing at the New Jersey Proghouse. Prog in the Park - Saturday, September 10 - http://www.prog90.com New Jersey Proghouse - Sunday, September 11 - http://njproghouse.com Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== VA [The Circular Ruins] The Seven Sisters Edition #3 Sampler (Groove) VA [Mantacoup] Mirovat 13 Edition #3 Sampler (Groove) VA [Mutagene] Camera Dub Edition #3 Sampler (Groove) VA [Lammergeyer] Medley Edition #3 Sampler (Groove) Paul Ellis The Only Known Photo- Silent Conversations (Groove) graph of God Wave World The Holy Chamber The Winds of Laax (VFR/Quantum) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== Jessie Allen Cooper Pacific Lounge Pacific Lounge (Cooper Sound Waves) Brian Crain Allegro Maestoso from Spring Symphonies (Crain) Symphony No. 1 Tom Shinness Ambient Waves of Grain Escape (Space for Music) Emerald City Cell Phone Medley Emerald City (Fox's Den) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== =============================== Nathan Mahl Without Words Shadows Unbound (none) Red Sand Blame Mirrors of Insanity (Ipsofacto) Frogg Cafe No Regrets Fortunate Observer of Time Progrock) Karcius Liquid Meat Sphere (Local Distribution) Kraan Vollgas Ahoi Live 88 (Revisited) * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show on September 24. On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Bill ========================================================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EDT (GMT-4:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm ========================================================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ========================================================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 21 05:23:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FF753BF37; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 05:23:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Pkmy0/wprNnQmlsPEdK3uVMzd7+Cm3oYZOkzmBC9mg1xTWtVah9WGS9j8NvSsN1Nz5TCOLp+DuT7BXpDoeOEqFxrVX5mmNDm4EvznGeQ3khnGuuiF13vMNjB2RYx4oHxZZYaQx0G2lrGEMUpvtrC9FgI2ousjDY6DGLg5+L1ZCc= ; Message-ID: <20050821052343.23964.qmail@web54605.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 22:23:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Joshua Fuller Subject: Re: effects/synth/sequencer/loops=palm sized unit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050820213955.15109.qmail@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 05:23:47 +0000 (UTC) There is already a piece of software and hardware that interfaces with a Palm device to provide this type of functionality. Try to search for it on Google, I was checking it out a few years back. I am not sure where it is at today.. -Josh --- daniel stevenson wrote: > sup > how long do ya think it will be untill someone puts > it all together in one small package?i fear the big > manufacturers dont want to make it so easy for > us.they are concerned too much with profits and > selling us peice by piece yet remain > competitive.like the oil companies silence fuel > alternatives. > scary > > > --------------------------------- > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 21 05:27:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BE393BF42; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 05:27:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43081073.3020700@soundscapes.us> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 01:26:11 -0400 From: Bill Fox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Galactic Travels Yahoogroup , Ambient Hyperreal List , AIMusic Yahoogroup , WDIY Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #438 for August 11, 2005 and Playlist #439 for August 18, 2005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 05:27:19 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/050811.html http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/050818.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #438 August 11, 2005 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Miditerranean Pads" on InsideOut's Revisited imprint. This Deluxe Edition includes the original 1990 tracks (remastered)track. Instead of a bonus track, "Decent Changes" was made slightly longer. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Outre X Mer EP" by Solar X on Defective Records, released in 1995. Klaus Schulze - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#aug PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Solar X Dileg Outre X Mer EP (Defective) VA [Self Oscillate] Hyx E-dition #7 (Groove) Zone Dream Abuse Alien Nature (Potentia) Sonic Solutions, Inc. Pax Romana V SSI (Azra/Chlorophyll) Ozone Player Freudian Sleep Frozen Paint On Boiling Canvas (Visual Power) VA [Rogue Element] A Different Sky To the Sky and Beyond the Stars (Quantum) Arttek She Sleeps Next Door Arttek 2005 (none) Hemisphere Liquid Mirror Part 5 Rambling Voyage (Groove) 12:00 am Klaus Schulze Decent Changes Miditerranean Pads (Revisited) Klaus Schulze Miditerranean Pads Miditerranean Pads (Revisited) Klaus Schulze Percussion Planante * Miditerranean Pads (Revisited) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist ============ Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 92.9 FM on Service Electric Cable, and webcasting on the internet. Show #439 August 18, 2005 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Dune" on InsideOut's Revisited imprint. This Deluxe Edition includes the original tracks from 1979 (remastered) and a bonus track. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP "Oxygene" by Jean Michel Jarre on Polydor Records, released in 1976. Klaus Schulze - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2005/focus05.html#aug PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ================================== Jean Michel Jarre Part VI Oxygene (Polydor) Sunya Beat Miami The Jelenia Gora Sessions (Ricochet Dream) Colin Mansfield Millions Millions (Blue Water) VA [F. D. Project] Harmony in Space E-dition #8 (Groove) Can Atilla Prologue Concorde (Groove) Can Atilla Rain of Fire Concorde (Groove) Klaus Schulze Dune Dune (Revisited) 12:00 am Klaus Schulze Dune (continued) Dune (Revisited) Klaus Schulze Shadows of Ignorance Dune (Revisited) Klaus Schulze Le Mans Dune (Revisited) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Audentity" remastered and reissued on InsideOut Music's Revisited imprint. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP "Vapor Trails" by Mark Isham on Windham Hill Records and released in 1983. Bill =============================================================================== Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT/GMT-4:00 on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.7 in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg and 92.9 on Service Electric Cable. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Galactic Travels web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/gt To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/podcasts.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 21 10:34:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83FDB3BF45; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 10:34:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: AW: AW: minimized loop setup Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:35:37 +0200 Message-ID: <000101c5a63c$12b11190$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <410-22005802115132460@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 10:34:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a package I would rather not include into my planned setup. I'd like to have it in a floorboard format, and thus have devices that can be operated from the top. A pity, since everybody and their brother seem to be raving about the VF-1. I just hope that something like the GT-8 would be able to cover some of the grounds the VF-1 does. Rainer -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Timothy Mungenast [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net]=20 Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. August 2005 03:52 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: AW: minimized loop setup The little 1/2-rack Boss VF-1 is a mighty powerful box! Many great sounds, both "normal" sounds and "art" sounds. But you need a foot controller if you wanna use it live. Not a problem, but not compact, when you include all the necessary pieces. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: John Tidwell > To: > Date: 8/20/2005 2:03:29 AM > Subject: Re: AW: minimized loop setup > > --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > wrote: > > > So one possible setup would be guitar->GT-8 (with > > Jamman in the effects > > loop)->MicroMod->KP2->DD20/DL4. Or I could go with a super-cheap amp > > modeler (read: Behringer XVAMP) and invest the money > > I saved in > > comparison to the GT-8 into a nice wah and lots of > > stompboxes...thoughts? > > The $99 Zoom G2 pedal has amp emulations as well as > effects. It seems to have some interesting delay > capabilities as well. I would buy one if I didn't > already have a GT-8. I love my GT-8. It is just about > the best bang-for-buck purchase I've ever made. For > what you would spend for a wah & a few fx pedals you > could get a GT-8 & have a lot more fun. > > > > > > > =09 > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail for Mobile=20 > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone.=20 > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 21 11:27:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EA063BF42; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 11:27:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002b01c5a643$651e2060$0201a8c0@mini> Reply-To: "Claude Voit" From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <20050820213955.15109.qmail@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: effects/synth/sequencer/loops=palm sized unit Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 13:28:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 11:27:59 +0000 (UTC) sup how long do ya think it will be untill someone puts it all together in one small package?i fear the big manufacturers dont want to make it so easy for us.they are concerned too much with profits and selling us peice by piece yet remain competitive.like the oil companies silence fuel alternatives. scary everything in one small box is a marketing illusion 1- all users will sound the same (same algorythms, same preset sounds, same philosophy of user interface,) 2-thinking you can produce the same multidimentional beautiful sound of your marshall tube amp, boutique pedals, lex reverb, edp looper etc..in one box is again a marketing illusion. 3-hoping you can tweak and adjust your incredible sound palette on the spot on a palm sized box is another dream (you will need midi interfaces, foot pedals, knob boards etc... 4- if y ever have a bug, malfunction , you are dead ----- no show small is small, cheap is alway cheap, marketing is illusion I will continue to carry my 2 4u racks, pedal boards acoustic guitars etc...., because it is MY unique sound pallette combination, MY user interface decisions, MY sound quality requirement, MY Music... Claude PS: I use a palm for sysex backups on the road :=) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 21 19:51:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBE2D3BF0E; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:51:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: "Claude Voit" , Subject: RE: effects/synth/sequencer/loops=palm sized unit Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:51:17 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002b01c5a643$651e2060$0201a8c0@mini> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <7HblR.A.KSF.4sNCDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 19:51:20 +0000 (UTC) Right On Claude, fine points all around. Though as I look at my two suitcase stuffed to the gills preparing for Europe, I too long for something smaller, and I ultimately feel that what ever a person buys, the danger in sounding like everyone else is in direct proportion to the amount of time (or lack of) the individual puts in to designing sounds to make it their own signature sound. That being said, I have a Boss VF1 that I bought to create a suitcase rig ( I bought an roland GFC-50 midi pedal to control it, small by most foot pedal standards) and though it is very powerful, I found its amp modeling to be a bit unsatisfying, it is spectacular for acoustic guitars, bass, vocals , keyboards, general sonic mangleing, etc. However, having as my bench mark the type of rig you described, below (substitute Fender and Vox amps for the Marshall) I would say it is nearly impossible. That being said, I am absolutely astounded by the sound quality and all important "feel" of the Vox tonelab Se, and though I can barely fit it length wise in my suitcase,and its a heavy beast, it has become my amp and effects rig, and it is way more flexable amd powerful than my pedal board and tube amp rig, and very easy to tweek on the fly with an intuitive knob array. These aren't cheap but they have recently dropped the price and there is a desk top version that is smaller for those who don't need much foot control or can get by with a smaller midi pedal and less control. When Andre the Giant last came to Santa Cruz he was sporting the desk top Tonelab, and any one who saw us both play that night will attest to the fact that we sound completely different. Andre sounded like Andre and I sounded like myself. I think the only danger in do-all boxes is that people use them to sound like other people when they could be tweeking them to sound like themselves. I'm currently in the proccess of eliminating all Van Halen presets from my Tone lab Ha! Ha! So in the interest of pairing down, my mackie mixer,big rack with effects, extra guitars, et al. will remain at home, and it will still seem to some folks like I have too much gear! I am personally a bit leary of relying on a lap top to do everything, but when you see Gareth Whitock play in Zurich you will see that it can be done, and done very well. see You there. Bill Walker -----Original Message----- From: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 4:28 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: effects/synth/sequencer/loops=palm sized unit sup how long do ya think it will be untill someone puts it all together in one small package?i fear the big manufacturers dont want to make it so easy for us.they are concerned too much with profits and selling us peice by piece yet remain competitive.like the oil companies silence fuel alternatives. scary everything in one small box is a marketing illusion 1- all users will sound the same (same algorythms, same preset sounds, same philosophy of user interface,) 2-thinking you can produce the same multidimentional beautiful sound of your marshall tube amp, boutique pedals, lex reverb, edp looper etc..in one box is again a marketing illusion. 3-hoping you can tweak and adjust your incredible sound palette on the spot on a palm sized box is another dream (you will need midi interfaces, foot pedals, knob boards etc... 4- if y ever have a bug, malfunction , you are dead ----- no show small is small, cheap is alway cheap, marketing is illusion I will continue to carry my 2 4u racks, pedal boards acoustic guitars etc...., because it is MY unique sound pallette combination, MY user interface decisions, MY sound quality requirement, MY Music... Claude PS: I use a palm for sysex backups on the road :=) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 21 22:55:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4A583BF2B; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 22:55:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: AW: minimized loop setup Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 15:55:45 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000101c5a63c$12b11190$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 22:55:45 +0000 (UTC) -----Original Message----- From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de] Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 3:36 AM To: Looper's Delight Mailing List Subject: AW: AW: minimized loop setup This is a package I would rather not include into my planned setup. I'd like to have it in a floorboard format, and thus have devices that can be operated from the top. A pity, since everybody and their brother seem to be raving about the VF-1. I just hope that something like the GT-8 would be able to cover some of the grounds the VF-1 does. Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Timothy Mungenast [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net] Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. August 2005 03:52 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: AW: minimized loop setup The little 1/2-rack Boss VF-1 is a mighty powerful box! Many great sounds, both "normal" sounds and "art" sounds. But you need a foot controller if you wanna use it live. Not a problem, but not compact, when you include all the necessary pieces. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: John Tidwell > To: > Date: 8/20/2005 2:03:29 AM > Subject: Re: AW: minimized loop setup > > --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > wrote: > > > So one possible setup would be guitar->GT-8 (with > > Jamman in the effects > > loop)->MicroMod->KP2->DD20/DL4. Or I could go with a super-cheap amp > > modeler (read: Behringer XVAMP) and invest the money > > I saved in > > comparison to the GT-8 into a nice wah and lots of > > stompboxes...thoughts? > > The $99 Zoom G2 pedal has amp emulations as well as > effects. It seems to have some interesting delay > capabilities as well. I would buy one if I didn't > already have a GT-8. I love my GT-8. It is just about > the best bang-for-buck purchase I've ever made. For > what you would spend for a wah & a few fx pedals you > could get a GT-8 & have a lot more fun. > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! 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Check email on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 21 22:55:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E8173BF42; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 22:55:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: AW: minimized loop setup Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 15:55:45 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000101c5a63c$12b11190$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <4gwV7D.A.92C.xZQCDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 22:55:46 +0000 (UTC) -----Original Message----- From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de] Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 3:36 AM To: Looper's Delight Mailing List Subject: AW: AW: minimized loop setup This is a package I would rather not include into my planned setup. I'd like to have it in a floorboard format, and thus have devices that can be operated from the top. A pity, since everybody and their brother seem to be raving about the VF-1. I just hope that something like the GT-8 would be able to cover some of the grounds the VF-1 does. Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Timothy Mungenast [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net] Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. August 2005 03:52 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: AW: minimized loop setup The little 1/2-rack Boss VF-1 is a mighty powerful box! Many great sounds, both "normal" sounds and "art" sounds. But you need a foot controller if you wanna use it live. Not a problem, but not compact, when you include all the necessary pieces. ~Tim > [Original Message] > From: John Tidwell > To: > Date: 8/20/2005 2:03:29 AM > Subject: Re: AW: minimized loop setup > > --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > wrote: > > > So one possible setup would be guitar->GT-8 (with > > Jamman in the effects > > loop)->MicroMod->KP2->DD20/DL4. Or I could go with a super-cheap amp > > modeler (read: Behringer XVAMP) and invest the money > > I saved in > > comparison to the GT-8 into a nice wah and lots of > > stompboxes...thoughts? > > The $99 Zoom G2 pedal has amp emulations as well as > effects. It seems to have some interesting delay > capabilities as well. I would buy one if I didn't > already have a GT-8. I love my GT-8. It is just about > the best bang-for-buck purchase I've ever made. For > what you would spend for a wah & a few fx pedals you > could get a GT-8 & have a lot more fun. > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! 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Check email on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 22 04:52:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC68A3BEFA; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 04:52:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=t+O0WhIbYdZUhD/2VtLybN8Qc1ewh22nlRQkO1v/J/JW7ixnQMGgUMELu+hK8KXM7DaXC4fLcxh7k5+sW29Bdvn2BoE5MJs0AalRCUtqSVS9PHeKpeDYHmEByYDU4zxhVToNGplW8CWpunG94+Wzv0lwflobSHYK6Kw8fUzb80o= Message-ID: <26ba8d12050821215246419c3a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 00:52:49 -0400 From: Tom Ritchford Reply-To: tom@swirly.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Bob Moog Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 04:52:50 +0000 (UTC) http://www.moogmusic.com/ thanks for everything. --=20 /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 22 05:03:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB6143BEF0; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 05:02:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" Subject: The PiNG presents BLEEP and Beneath These Idle Tides Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 01:02:59 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000301c5a6d6$c453b700$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 05:02:59 +0000 (UTC) Thanks to everyone who came out for the PiNG's Sixth Anniversary show last week. It was wonderfull! Read Luna's "IN THE LOOP" column below for a full report. Also - Thanks *always* to everyone who comes out throughout the year to support our unique events. You keep it happening and create the vibe the performers always appreciate. Cheers! Scott M2 THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tuesday August 23rd - BLEEP and Beneath These Idle Tides Strangely, Bleep have never played THE AMBiENT PiNG before. If you've been missing them it's because they haven't been performing in Toronto at all this year and this may be your only opportunity to see them as they'll be off to do their North American & European tour in the Fall (and don't be late, cause Bleep will be playing the first set). For fans of electro-organic music this performance will be a MUST. With the recent inclusion of the renowned experimental guitarist and performance artist, Maz Fusion (www.mazfusion.com) BLEEP are now truly 'Live Electronic' performers. Robyn Sellman continues to sing but has taken over the keyboards & midi controllers while her fellow = band-former, Igor Olejar, is now equipped with electronic drum pads from which he triggers percussion and other samples. This show will feature work from both of their albums "IMM0008" & "Datenbergbau". www.bleeptunes.com Described as everything from "mope-core" to "the music I'd use if I was going to kill myself," the music of Beneath These Idle Tides is not necessarily a happy affair. It sits more as an emotional tug at the stomach, running between somber ambient sounds & amp-destroying progressions. The project is the solo sounds of Calgary's Myke Atkinson on record, while live Beneath These Idle Tides takes on a different form: enlisting a full band, the sounds vary from ambient solo guitar music to full out chaotic spasms of noise. RIYL: Stars of the Lid, Isis, Godspeed You Black Emperor, Growing. http://www.downrecords.com/idletides/epk.html Between Sets CD - "Sanctuary of Dreams" by Numina (Hypnos - 2003) This beautiful CD from American ambient artist Numina (aka Jesse Sola is a sanctuary filled with deep, dark dreams and expansive visions. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tues. Aug. 30th - The Riderless + Michael Keith with David Sait http://www.theriderless.com http://www.davidsait.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ||: IN THE LOOP :|| by Luna Tek On Tuesday August 16th, 2005, THE AMBiENT PiNG celebrated its Sixth Anniversary with two beautiful sets mixing music and visuals into a delicious multimedia banquet. A full house of PiNGers came together to enjoy the presentations, many passing on congratulations to the happy PiNG organizers for another year of sonic adventures. mara's torment, the intrepid and introspective duo of rik maclean and sovaak the sock monkey, opened the night with a set of delicate, dark chocolate moods. Their electronic textures were complemented by visuals from their mysterious colaborator Sara, which evolved from geometric abstractions into a panoramic nocturnal cityscape. After a short break, featuring music from last year's "PiNG AMBiENCE 2" CD release, cellist Zo=EB Keating took the stage. Zo=EB performed a = series of entrancing compositions from her "One Cello x 16" series, including many sections of her soon to be released "Natoma" album. Each piece was built on "unprocessed" acoustic cello parts deftly looped by Zo=EB on her Electrix Repeater looper. Deepening the trance were haunting black and white visuals by animator/projectionist Jeffrey Rusch beamed onto three terraced white scrims, surrounding the cellist. The PiNG is looking forward to a new year of ambient and experimental artistry and some new twists. In September there'll be the release of "PiNG AMBiENCE 3 - STRiNG THiNGS" featuring guitar-based ambience and the launch of our new arts magazine "I POP PiNG" featuring poetry, art, musings, listings and reviews. Come along again for the trip! More info: http://www.marastorment.com http://www.zoekeating.com Luna Tek - luna@theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "A Million Stories" is Sara Ayers' latest release, a moving study of=20 environment and atmosphere, a tale spun through voice and sound and music, a true work of art by one of the most talented people I have had the joy of knowing. It begins simply enough, a tone and a voice, the idea that there are more stories than just one. And then it goes from there... Sara's voice is in fine form, wrapping around your ears, caressing your soul, enveloping your heart. Multitracked vocals play and intertwine with each other, dancing overtop drones and waves and echoes and slight melodies. Movement comes & goes in waves, both literally & figuratively. I feel a sense of calm before the storm, a feeling of climatic location that both calms and excites. And it comes and it goes... And it comes and it goes... And it comes again. I feel like I'm racing through a thousand different lives, a thousand different times, each with something to say, something new, something unique, something distinct. She says "I feel like someone is watching me" and they are watching, intently. It's beautiful, all of it, and as it washes over me, I feel part of something. Something wonderful... rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com =3D ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 22 06:21:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A495B3BF01; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 06:21:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=W4xHZwg2WEOhfjL/BmsxRz4gXm2QnXlPt+gjusJcboEDyd/FKaNtVNIUKmc4aaaerlAYweTe++QDBjyCcApljN2scWTARZyCTzuuLBcpm54gKgPsNv2Vi8f3uEH0UzpyBjgyaeEKQYztM/d4xT69rhedtGLdeMC5zihZerz40Vw= ; Message-ID: <006a01c5a6e1$ba4da3f0$6402a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <000001c5a520$789d7a10$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Subject: Re: minimized loop setup Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:21:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 06:21:29 +0000 (UTC) Hello Rainer, Did you check the new Zoom G2? Has anyone tried yet? About 100?, with ampsim and a 5sec looper (well, a delay with hold) and up to 3 delays in series. There's a tap and pedal input. Thers's a version with the exp.pedal included G2.1U I think. Ben. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 2:45 AM Subject: AW: minimized loop setup "minimized" is to be seen as "minimized vs. my big setup (including 8HU angled rack, two synths, drum machine, FCB1010, VBass,...) quick setup is also intended. Plug in the power chord, plug in the guitar, connect the output to the PA...set. I'm thinking about a suitcase (perhaps with detachable lid) where I would put in one wooden board with the pedals plus the power distribution attached to it, then another smaller board with the KP2 and the MicroMod. >From what I've read and seen, those guitar multi-effect floorboards seem to be in use by about anyone. So I might also use one of those. What is the way to go - Boss (GT-8), Digitech,...?). Note that while I liked the amp models of the POD XT Live, I didn't like its system structure, so this one is not in the run. And then there is the question "do I need anything else in addition to the looper, the looper/delay, the MicroMod and the KP2"? I actually want to have two loopers: one "main looper" somewhere near the beginning of the chain (to be able to put effects on the looped signal), and one delay with looping capabilities at the end of the chain. For the latter, the only alternative to the DL4 seems to be the Boss DD-20. For the first looper, I'm thinking about the Digitech Jamman. It also offers a microphone input. So one possible setup would be guitar->GT-8 (with Jamman in the effects loop)->MicroMod->KP2->DD20/DL4. Or I could go with a super-cheap amp modeler (read: Behringer XVAMP) and invest the money I saved in comparison to the GT-8 into a nice wah and lots of stompboxes...thoughts? Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] Gesendet: Freitag, 19. August 2005 23:45 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: minimized loop setup Question - "minimized" OR "quick" set-up? Personally, I would like both. But I go for "quick" first. It is more important when I am playing live. ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 22 13:20:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 983D73BF10; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:20:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20050822132053954.E8E821C002EA@mwinf3003.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <9384779.1124716853937.JavaMail.www@wwinf3001> From: Deive Montaigue Reply-To: Deive@montaigue.fsnet.co.uk To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Gibson_Echoplex_for_sale,_with_foot_controller,_=C2=A3600?= Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: [195.92.67.75] X-Wum-Nature: EMAIL-NATURE X-WUM-FROM: |~| X-WUM-TO: |~| X-WUM-REPLYTO: |~| Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:20:53 +0200 (CEST) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:20:56 +0000 (UTC) For sale: Gibson Echoplex Digital Pro, with original foot controller EFC-7, white, 1M= B of memory, LD3.3.2=20 software, 3 years old, missing one control knob - otherwise excellent condi= tion, manual included,=20 =C2=A3600 (excludes postage). Located in Norwich, UK. I can accept paypal, money order, or personal cheque. (Paypal "credit card source of funds" purchases will need to cover the 3% f= ee. http://www.thefeecalculator.com/ Account transfer type transaction has no = fee.) Write or call with any questions. Deive Montaigue deive@montaigue.fsnet.co.uk 01508 483787 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 22 16:56:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBDC53BF0A; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:56:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <010f01c5a73a$7c3ea830$6ee15651@homemain> From: "Dan Mayfield" To: Subject: Laptops and air travel? Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:56:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_010C_01C5A742.DCFCEAD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:56:18 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_010C_01C5A742.DCFCEAD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just had a worrying thought, can the altitude of planes damage my laptop? ------=_NextPart_000_010C_01C5A742.DCFCEAD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just had a worrying thought, = can the altitude=20 of planes damage my laptop?
------=_NextPart_000_010C_01C5A742.DCFCEAD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 22 17:14:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D1253BF21; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:14:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 12:14:15 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: Laptops and air travel? In-reply-to: <010f01c5a73a$7c3ea830$6ee15651@homemain> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <430A07E7.8080307@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <010f01c5a73a$7c3ea830$6ee15651@homemain> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:14:21 +0000 (UTC) Dan Mayfield wrote: > Just had a worrying thought, can the altitude of planes damage my laptop? Yes, if you threw it from the plane. But otherwise no. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 22 17:15:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CABFF3BF2B; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:15:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <010f01c5a73a$7c3ea830$6ee15651@homemain> References: <010f01c5a73a$7c3ea830$6ee15651@homemain> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-394808974 Message-Id: <4352C7B8-1330-11DA-BF24-000A956F605C@fuse.net> From: ric hordinski Subject: Re: Laptops and air travel? Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:14:56 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:15:01 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-394808974 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed no On Aug 22, 2005, at 12:56 PM, Dan Mayfield wrote: > Just had a worrying thought, can=A0the altitude of planes damage my=20 > laptop? --Apple-Mail-1-394808974 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 no On Aug 22, 2005, at 12:56 PM, Dan Mayfield wrote: ArialJust had a worrying thought, can=A0the altitude of planes damage my = laptop? = --Apple-Mail-1-394808974-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 22 17:15:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B1B73BF3D; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:15:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007601c5a73d$24c5e5c0$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <010f01c5a73a$7c3ea830$6ee15651@homemain> Subject: Re: Laptops and air travel? Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 19:15:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:15:51 +0000 (UTC) Answer : yes Question: are you trust some guy on the internet? Answer: yes :=) Claude Just had a worrying thought, can the altitude of planes damage my laptop? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 22 17:16:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16E6E3BF12; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:16:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Laptops and air travel? Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:16:03 -0600 Message-ID: <001601c5a73d$2cf5ff50$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C5A70A.E25B8F50" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: <010f01c5a73a$7c3ea830$6ee15651@homemain> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 135, in=406, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <36ZWQC.A.iHH.bhgCDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:16:12 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C5A70A.E25B8F50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not at all...otherwise, about 50 million of us who work for fortune 500 companies and travel for work would be screwed. Before long, all airlines will have wi-fi on aboard...United is already working this with Intel. What will damage your laptop on a plane, however, is the jerk in front of you who reclines his seat back abruptly, jamming your laptop into your gut and ripping the monitor off its hinges. :) Or the gin and tonic you have sitting on your food tray, sliding around and tempting to dump on your keyboard. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Dan Mayfield [mailto:contact@danmayfield.com] Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 10:57 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Laptops and air travel? Just had a worrying thought, can the altitude of planes damage my laptop? ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C5A70A.E25B8F50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Not=20 at all...otherwise, about 50 million of us who work for fortune 500 = companies=20 and travel for work would be screwed.  Before long, all airlines = will have=20 wi-fi on aboard...United is already working this with Intel. What will = damage=20 your laptop on a plane, however, is the jerk in front of you who = reclines his=20 seat back abruptly, jamming your laptop into your gut and ripping the = monitor=20 off its hinges. :)  Or the gin and tonic you have sitting = on your=20 food tray, sliding around and tempting to dump on your=20 keyboard.
 
Kris
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan = Mayfield=20 [mailto:contact@danmayfield.com]
Sent: Monday, August 22, = 2005=20 10:57 AM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Laptops and air travel?

Just had a worrying thought, = can the=20 altitude of planes damage my = laptop?
------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C5A70A.E25B8F50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 22 17:33:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 482AF3BF0F; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:33:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=g141m0lQ/oWNgImjB9sFljiOhpOTeVNJ16jtFaOvDVXuS9DCnzpiiVuE4xfAUlii3hiiQTbWZxljWYKRx6yVlJHI+zcgg8W/RLKKeokKoR9j+v3bTZp3qTG8Tjn/TFlIxgnlys2sFm9dRnOA8Y259VXgI/W9REYBKK9/7q1VV4w= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:33:04 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptops and air travel? In-Reply-To: <010f01c5a73a$7c3ea830$6ee15651@homemain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <010f01c5a73a$7c3ea830$6ee15651@homemain> Resent-Message-ID: <1axHgC.A.f2H.SxgCDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:33:07 +0000 (UTC) Outside the plane, probably. =20 Inside the plane, no. On 8/22/05, Dan Mayfield wrote: > =20 > Just had a worrying thought, can the altitude of planes damage my laptop? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 22 17:38:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EA623BF34; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:38:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <014401c5a740$3d6b87d0$6ee15651@homemain> From: "Dan Mayfield" To: References: <010f01c5a73a$7c3ea830$6ee15651@homemain> Subject: Re: Laptops and air travel? Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:37:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: <3nr7jB.A.GI.81gCDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:38:04 +0000 (UTC) Thankyou all for your replies, it has put my mind at ease. Hope to see many of you in Zurich in the next few days. Dan www.danmayfield.om From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 22 18:01:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 386223BF2B; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:01:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000401c5a744$c906adc0$1f03d00c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <010f01c5a73a$7c3ea830$6ee15651@homemain> <014401c5a740$3d6b87d0$6ee15651@homemain> Subject: EDP Footpedal Debouncer? Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:10:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:01:33 +0000 (UTC) Hi All. I have been frustrated with my EDP's tendency to bounce when I try to hit the pedal only once with my foot. I decided to try a slight mod to see if it would help...I soldered a 0.1 uF capacitor across the output pins of the pedal to make a very crude lowpass filter, hopefully reducing bounce. I just played with it for about 20 minutes and the bouncing seems to have gone away, although more testing will be needed to know for sure. Has anyone done a mod like this before? I looked in the archives and couldn't find any reference to it. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 22 18:10:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E43B53BF2B; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:10:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=PWMglU7eMzbgR2F5T3CF6lycFuxtN/drW0y8vzvg0J1vk4R9QNJMM/ZEQEZe9J57bLdGh/ZheL/ZkO4JNcBvl6MhLltvz3b0/UQXhKqQkzwqPVzOXufHDOI/aGU/vmeFRFXTS6Wypw3L5eivPcOnB+AkQdyAR0W59bbzRG/QGrU= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:10:46 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal Debouncer? In-Reply-To: <000401c5a744$c906adc0$1f03d00c@insightbb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <010f01c5a73a$7c3ea830$6ee15651@homemain> <014401c5a740$3d6b87d0$6ee15651@homemain> <000401c5a744$c906adc0$1f03d00c@insightbb.com> Resent-Message-ID: <38w54C.A._mB.nUhCDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:10:47 +0000 (UTC) The only time I've had that problem is when dirt gets into the contacts on one of the mouser switches. On 8/22/05, Mark Smart wrote: > Hi All. > I have been frustrated with my EDP's tendency to bounce when I try to hit= the > pedal only once with my foot. I decided to try a slight mod to see if it = would > help...I soldered a 0.1 uF capacitor across the output pins of the pedal = to make > a very crude lowpass filter, hopefully reducing bounce. I just played wit= h it > for about 20 minutes and the bouncing seems to have gone away, although m= ore > testing will be needed to know for sure. >=20 > Has anyone done a mod like this before? I looked in the archives and coul= dn't > find any reference to it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 22 18:39:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB0BB3BF2B; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:39:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <000401c5a744$c906adc0$1f03d00c@insightbb.com> References: <010f01c5a73a$7c3ea830$6ee15651@homemain> <014401c5a740$3d6b87d0$6ee15651@homemain> <000401c5a744$c906adc0$1f03d00c@insightbb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: monk Subject: lawson? Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:38:57 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: <-rJJbD.A.EjC.HvhCDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:39:03 +0000 (UTC) hey steve... i had a major laptop meltdown and lost your address. can you please email me at monk@fuse.net at your earliest convenience. cheers. ric hordinski From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 22 18:46:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5E153BF49; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:46:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 14:46:38 -0400 Subject: Re: lawson? From: todd reynolds To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:46:40 +0000 (UTC) In the interest of comraderie... Steve Lawson On 8/22/05 2:38 PM, "monk" wrote: > hey steve... >=20 >=20 > i had a major laptop meltdown and lost your address. can you please > email me at monk@fuse.net at your earliest convenience. >=20 >=20 > cheers. >=20 >=20 > ric hordinski >=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ----- =B3Virtue is just repression waiting to go bad=B2 - Trevor Exter =B3Classical music is related to the past more than it is related to the creative part of sound=B2 - Ornette Coleman ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------=20 Todd Reynolds 42-09 47th Ave 1C Sunnyside, NY 11104 =20 Ph. 718 392-3773 Mob. 917 576-6166 Fax 419 781-5502 =20 http://www.toddreynolds.com http://www.ethelcentral.com todd@toddreynolds.com 9175766166@vtext.com (155 characters or less) AIM ID: toddreyn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 22 19:51:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A47543BF10; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 19:51:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=wtL57+BjPMYr6Ov6mFoBa7WcRKbyHyqdhRjlCHUbhXcBCN5fhVWIusEhb495mXFI0KOcwpVEOcTS+ASaYgxE7bllweqaRwz3f3hZneUUIlQwq58G1jXJ/VU55fL5L6vwMzfdB8Gh7k0aDM0UNsZxrcN+GbOOPxvtz1cV1our7sM= ; Message-ID: <20050822195139.4101.qmail@web52809.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 12:51:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: Laptops and air travel? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <010f01c5a73a$7c3ea830$6ee15651@homemain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <3AkeaD.A.BjF.MziCDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 19:51:41 +0000 (UTC) if u use it as a parachute yes. L.a --- Dan Mayfield wrote: > Just had a worrying thought, can the altitude of > planes damage my laptop? www.luis-angulo.com ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 22 19:57:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03C9C3BF3D; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 19:57:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP Footpedal Debouncer? Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 19:57:24 +0000 Message-Id: <082220051957.24337.430A2E23000E836E00005F1121979129959B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 21 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 19:57:28 +0000 (UTC) > The only time I've had that problem is when dirt gets into the > contacts on one of the mouser switches. Is there a way to spray contact cleaner inside the switches? It didn't look possible to me, but I didn't try removing one from the panel. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 22 20:35:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D8C73BF10; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 20:35:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=x+eDBcrqH0n4Bzrhh6Dl+EqggbW7MC7eYWXjLlVEIxnYv0xdf6yLbV42xInn1zifH8KNwnGj+uIThevEegGPKIgzX7fjFl/mE4vhRYWCGBnwjf928mTEsbdtO7HIEd4oUKbddwoSHZVVHVhpph9wUUJSodGYffFl+TnMQKjuA4M= ; Message-ID: <20050822203554.249.qmail@web81306.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:35:54 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: AW: AW: minimized loop setup To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000101c5a63c$12b11190$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 20:35:55 +0000 (UTC) I love the VF-1 (I have two! It's on of the best distortion units for synths I've found... not so good for guitar preamp tones) but I've taken it out of my special-ops set up because of it's awkward halfrack nature and need of foot pedal. I use it primarily becaues it lets you sync almost every periodic perimeter to a MIDI clock. Great for beat synced delays, but on the road it's going to be a lone Vox Tonlab SE from here on in. It's got a great range of effects, you've just got to preset the tempo or tap them in. Mark --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > This is a package I would rather not include into my > planned setup. I'd > like to have it in a floorboard format, and thus > have devices that can > be operated from the top. > > A pity, since everybody and their brother seem to be > raving about the > VF-1. I just hope that something like the GT-8 would > be able to cover > some of the grounds the VF-1 does. > > Rainer > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Timothy Mungenast > [mailto:mungenast@earthlink.net] > Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. August 2005 03:52 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: AW: minimized loop setup > > > The little 1/2-rack Boss VF-1 is a mighty powerful > box! Many great > sounds, both "normal" sounds and "art" sounds. But > you need a foot > controller if you wanna use it live. Not a problem, > but not compact, > when you include all the necessary pieces. ~Tim > > > > [Original Message] > > From: John Tidwell > > To: > > Date: 8/20/2005 2:03:29 AM > > Subject: Re: AW: minimized loop setup > > > > --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > > wrote: > > > > > So one possible setup would be guitar->GT-8 > (with > > > Jamman in the effects > > > loop)->MicroMod->KP2->DD20/DL4. Or I could go > with a super-cheap amp > > > modeler (read: Behringer XVAMP) and invest the > money > > > I saved in > > > comparison to the GT-8 into a nice wah and lots > of > > > stompboxes...thoughts? > > > > The $99 Zoom G2 pedal has amp emulations as well > as > > effects. It seems to have some interesting delay > > capabilities as well. I would buy one if I didn't > > already have a GT-8. I love my GT-8. It is just > about > > the best bang-for-buck purchase I've ever made. > For > > what you would spend for a wah & a few fx pedals > you > > could get a GT-8 & have a lot more fun. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Yahoo! Mail for Mobile > > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your > mobile phone. > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 22 21:43:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A722C3BF0D; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 21:43:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=dT3UG5RLoN+C3aA/FQwywUHln8T9wTPcqQid9i88xsePPDB8TCT3tv/SvgCy/Y0dxt28WRHytZL4Q/NKoGoAtVB2Ol9pEKhyW56JvuxrGJb+AptmcLwmzsKAgXhzuL3xlf5LHyisDcZ8oVz8loYjM18idHUJHleqHUwdy0K/1WU= Message-ID: <26ba8d1205082214436827c847@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:43:11 -0400 From: Tom Ritchford Reply-To: tom@swirly.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: powered near-field monitors? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 21:43:12 +0000 (UTC) I'm looking for a set of powered near-field monitors to replace my old Alesis Monitor Ones (I have an old Crown amp but I'd like to get rid of that, too). Concerns: -- reasonable sound -- price -- size. Since my studio is neither sound-proof nor acoustically particularly fine, I'd be willing to compromise somewhat on perfect sound for either price or size. But I can certainly spend several hundred dollars on a pair. Ideas? --=20 /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 22 22:21:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 162403BF05; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 22:21:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KHxjWSs0Vj81Rs983da6xZ1isQHel4JJ9hlfrA78UqXw3EoOnKDIeQO9DXkC1sF9teWvswwdYWNvjGUtcyZv9y5FCQfAQ+3X8ySAWWilj/8N1QnhBCf7USQsMGtDS6yDjBUw5kOd5bH/mVFkesWu7WuBnJH1uZMq2P8Z/72uvoU= Message-ID: <588ce11d05082215214c1a557d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:21:22 -0700 From: Art Simon To: tom@swirly.com Subject: Re: OT: powered near-field monitors? Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <26ba8d1205082214436827c847@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <26ba8d1205082214436827c847@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 22:21:24 +0000 (UTC) I've been shopping too, and the best deal for $300/pair looks to me like the M-Audio BX8 with the 8" woofer. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=3Drec/search/detail/base_pid/603702/ They may be too big for your space, though. Good Luck, I'll be very interested to hear what you get and how you like them. On 8/22/05, Tom Ritchford wrote: > I'm looking for a set of powered near-field monitors to replace my old > Alesis Monitor Ones (I have an old Crown amp but I'd like to get rid > of that, too). >=20 > Concerns: > -- reasonable sound > -- price > -- size. >=20 > Since my studio is neither sound-proof nor acoustically particularly > fine, I'd be willing to compromise somewhat on perfect sound for > either price or size. But I can certainly spend several hundred > dollars on a pair. >=20 > Ideas? >=20 > -- > /t >=20 > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar >=20 >=20 --=20 Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 22 22:29:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D58F13BF0F; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 22:29:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <588ce11d05082215214c1a557d@mail.gmail.com> References: <26ba8d1205082214436827c847@mail.gmail.com> <588ce11d05082215214c1a557d@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3AE1014C-135C-11DA-BFF4-000A95C5FA68@pixar.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tom@swirly.com From: Alex Stahl Subject: Re: OT: powered near-field monitors? Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:29:40 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 22:29:37 +0000 (UTC) The new and tiny Genelec 8020A's are worth checking out, imho, and I've seen them at $350/pair. On Aug 22, 2005, at 3:21 PM, Art Simon wrote: > I've been shopping too, and the best deal for $300/pair looks to me > like the M-Audio BX8 with the 8" woofer. > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=rec/search/detail/base_pid/ > 603702/ > They may be too big for your space, though. Good Luck, I'll be very > interested to hear what you get and how you like them. > > On 8/22/05, Tom Ritchford wrote: >> I'm looking for a set of powered near-field monitors to replace my old >> Alesis Monitor Ones (I have an old Crown amp but I'd like to get rid >> of that, too). >> >> Concerns: >> -- reasonable sound >> -- price >> -- size. >> >> Since my studio is neither sound-proof nor acoustically particularly >> fine, I'd be willing to compromise somewhat on perfect sound for >> either price or size. But I can certainly spend several hundred >> dollars on a pair. >> >> Ideas? >> >> -- >> /t >> >> http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar >> >> > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://artsimon.iuma.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 22 22:35:20 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBF8C3BEF9; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 22:35:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Z0qchzLtYTsQ8Sl+qx+5VdFYPYNE9e0f184s95ZaEe3TEWevmTFRH9Eyd1uU/T0BdwABASrM9FgYX6I1dPSpSzWjp9U2pnQ9KCwKPaTZoA5Zg6IODf6ySXJ7LwrZMAgXzD03qU6pCzX/YNrChmgwpkb+kfgWcA4UawadtZH6MfQ= Message-ID: <26ba8d1205082215351d095e0c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:35:19 -0400 From: Tom Ritchford Reply-To: tom@swirly.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: powered near-field monitors? In-Reply-To: <3AE1014C-135C-11DA-BFF4-000A95C5FA68@pixar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <26ba8d1205082214436827c847@mail.gmail.com> <588ce11d05082215214c1a557d@mail.gmail.com> <3AE1014C-135C-11DA-BFF4-000A95C5FA68@pixar.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 22:35:20 +0000 (UTC) They seem really good but they seem to be $350 *each*... On 8/22/05, Alex Stahl wrote: > The new and tiny Genelec 8020A's are worth checking out, imho, and I've > seen them at $350/pair. >=20 >=20 > On Aug 22, 2005, at 3:21 PM, Art Simon wrote: >=20 > > I've been shopping too, and the best deal for $300/pair looks to me > > like the M-Audio BX8 with the 8" woofer. > > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=3Drec/search/detail/base_pid/ > > 603702/ > > They may be too big for your space, though. Good Luck, I'll be very > > interested to hear what you get and how you like them. > > > > On 8/22/05, Tom Ritchford wrote: > >> I'm looking for a set of powered near-field monitors to replace my old > >> Alesis Monitor Ones (I have an old Crown amp but I'd like to get rid > >> of that, too). > >> > >> Concerns: > >> -- reasonable sound > >> -- price > >> -- size. > >> > >> Since my studio is neither sound-proof nor acoustically particularly > >> fine, I'd be willing to compromise somewhat on perfect sound for > >> either price or size. But I can certainly spend several hundred > >> dollars on a pair. > >> > >> Ideas? > >> > >> -- > >> /t > >> > >> http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Art Simon > > simart@null.net > > http://art.simon.tripod.com > > http://artsimon.iuma.com > > >=20 >=20 --=20 /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 22 23:37:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FEF93BF0A; Mon, 22 Aug 2005 23:37:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <26ba8d12050821215246419c3a@mail.gmail.com> References: <26ba8d12050821215246419c3a@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9e92c1f08c3db2d05b25919b42739d55@comcast.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Lee Barnes Subject: Re: Bob Moog Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 19:37:14 -0400 To: tom@swirly.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 23:37:18 +0000 (UTC) Here's a few more pages: http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/en/082205robertmoogobit; _ylt=An5CBx2be.x9Qa7negXnOu5xFb8C;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/08/22/moog.obit.ap/index.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4173510.stm Bob'll be missed... Lee On Aug 22, 2005, at 12:52 AM, Tom Ritchford wrote: > http://www.moogmusic.com/ > > thanks for everything. > -- > /t > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 23 00:27:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 647493BF01; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 00:27:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: Robert Moog RIP Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:27:22 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 00:27:26 +0000 (UTC) More sad news, Robert Moog, a true music pioneer, passed away today. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 23 00:59:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF1533BF11; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 00:59:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <3061.206.163.94.164.1124759132.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Robert Moog RIP From: improv@peak.org To: billwalker@baymoon.com Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <0aDoYC.A.XSB.9TnCDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 00:59:41 +0000 (UTC) > More sad news, Robert Moog, a true music pioneer, passed away today. > Bill > > Sad news indeed. I've been playing ELP, Sun Ra, Jan Hammer, et al, today at the store in tribute. I have the honor of owning a 1974 Minimoog, it's one of the few truly beautiful instruments I own, and I intend to record a piece in tribute tonight, time permitting. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 23 01:22:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02A1E3BF15; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 01:22:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 21:22:14 -0400 Subject: My humble tribute : Bob Moog and Dr. Z From: todd reynolds To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3207590535_1192805" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 01:22:18 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3207590535_1192805 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Perhaps called up at the same time to work on some new =FCbersynth? I can only imagine the two =8Cgreat men=B9 talking on a different plane. Here=B9s to both of them at once, having made contributions that leave us all changed. Todd --B_3207590535_1192805 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable My humble tribute : Bob Moog and Dr. Z Perhaps called up at t= he same time to work on some new übersynth?

I can only imagine the two ‘great men’  talking on a diffe= rent plane.

Here’s to both of them at once, having made contributions that leave = us all changed.

Todd

 --B_3207590535_1192805-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 23 01:36:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7D623BF12; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 01:36:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,132,1122868800"; d="scan'208"; a="73180284:sNHT22994316" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: emile@foryourhead.com@mail.speakeasy.net Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3061.206.163.94.164.1124759132.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> References: <3061.206.163.94.164.1124759132.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 21:30:48 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, billwalker@baymoon.com From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: Robert Moog RIP Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 01:36:29 +0000 (UTC) At 6:05 PM -0700 8/22/05, improv@peak.org wrote: > > More sad news, Robert Moog, a true music pioneer, passed away today. > > Bill I had the pleasure of meeting Bog Moog a few times at trade shows and coherences. Always a delight to talk to. -- "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." F. Scott Fitzgerald Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 23 01:55:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DB3A3BF2F; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 01:55:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mGN5xPQPuvOWWjgBJ38+ZwRICdGhVi2Vsq1aMUA5ufjKWQiOOnqtRfTuXcJJ8G9vhYqFt6Jl/wwK/vEJW+wYaFZV5hUgns7mpcD8pO3WGFaFBmioERmwWZ4qNtYh+0/XdhBGW/dTj2yMMSC7jIqK0SDl/yF5LqiTwM5Cr0Eahv8= Message-ID: <26ba8d1205082218557ebd6bba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 21:55:38 -0400 From: Tom Ritchford Reply-To: tom@swirly.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My humble tribute : Bob Moog and Dr. Z In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 01:55:40 +0000 (UTC) I would hope that in the afterlife one could do synthesis directly and dispense with electronics entirely. Mmmm, sine waves. On 8/22/05, todd reynolds wrote: > Perhaps called up at the same time to work on some new =FCbersynth? > =20 > I can only imagine the two 'great men' talking on a different plane. > =20 > Here's to both of them at once, having made contributions that leave us = all > changed. > =20 > Todd > =20 > =20 --=20 /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 23 03:06:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80FCB3BF0F; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 03:06:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 22:06:23 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: My humble tribute : Bob Moog and Dr. Z In-reply-to: <26ba8d1205082218557ebd6bba@mail.gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <430A92AF.1040102@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <26ba8d1205082218557ebd6bba@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 03:06:27 +0000 (UTC) Tom Ritchford wrote: > I would hope that in the afterlife one could do synthesis directly and > dispense with electronics entirely. I wonder what the latency is in heaven? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 23 03:25:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 997943BF3D; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 03:25:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: loopbozo@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: My humble tribute : Bob Moog and Dr. Z Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 03:25:20 +0000 Message-Id: <082320050325.8117.430A9720000A57AA00001FB522007614380196010D9F010104@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bG9vcGJvem9AY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8117_1124767520_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 03:25:23 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8117_1124767520_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -------------- Original message -------------- > Tom Ritchford wrote: I wonder what the latency is in heaven? That's how you know you're not there yyet Tom. bryan helm --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8117_1124767520_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
 
 

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> Tom Ritchford wrote:
I wonder what the latency is in heaven?

That's how you know you're not there yyet Tom.

                                                       bryan helm

                                                        

                                                      

--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8117_1124767520_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 23 06:01:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F26E43BF2E; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 06:01:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: WBP Recordings Uploaded: Two Improvisational Looping Web-Based Performances (August 17) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 00:01:14 -0600 Message-ID: <004101c5a7a8$11f32960$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0042_01C5A775.C758B960" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: <4304A0F0.90203@Verizon.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 135, in=394, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: <-XUW8B.A.X0D.surCDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 06:01:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C5A775.C758B960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For those of you who weren't able to make one of my two web-based performances on August 17, I recorded both sessions and uploaded them for your listening pleasure. I used the following gear setup for these performances: http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm Session 1 Inception - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/518182.html (sitar, dumbek, acoustic guitar) - * Thank you Vinnie for lending me your dumbeks and allowing me to pretend that I'm a percussionist! :) The Human Static - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/518279.html (acoustic guitar, voice effects, dumbek *) Deridee-Deridah - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/518179.html (acoustic guitar) Session 2 The Ghost of Gigantor vs. the Savage - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/518180.html (acoustic guitar, vocal effects, dumbek *) M=F8rk og Iser - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/518183.html (acoustic guitar) Groovy Space Faring Machine - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/518181.html (acoustic guitar) Nebula - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/518278.html (acoustic guitar) Note: Somewhere in these sound clips there is a VST software glitch, but I wasn=92t able to find it to edit it out=85it sounds like a fluttering electronic disturbance. If you are able to find it, please let me know which song and time. Thanks. These performances were an interesting experience. Performing alone in my basement home studio, yet having others listening to me virtually and providing feedback via instant messenger created an interesting dynamic and feeling that I haven't experienced before. I am very pleased with these performances and look forward to doing more. Kris ************************************************************************ ********* Krispen Hartung Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist=20 http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 Subscribe to email list: krispenhartung-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Performance Calendar: http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&value=3DKrispen%20Ha= rtu ng ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C5A775.C758B960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable WBP Recordings Uploaded: Two Improvisational Looping Web-Based = Performances (August 17)

For those of you = who weren't able to make one of my two web-based performances on August = 17, I recorded both sessions and uploaded them for your listening = pleasure. I used the following gear setup for these performances: = http://www.boisemusicians.com/gear.htm

Session = 1

Inception - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/518182.html (sitar, = dumbek, acoustic guitar) - * Thank you Vinnie for lending me your = dumbeks and allowing me to pretend that I'm a percussionist! = :)

The Human Static - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/518279.html = (acoustic guitar, voice effects, dumbek *)
Deridee-Deridah - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/518179.html = (acoustic guitar)

Session = 2

The Ghost of = Gigantor vs. the Savage - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/518180.html = (acoustic guitar, vocal effects, dumbek *)

M=F8rk og Iser - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/518183.html = (acoustic guitar)
Groovy Space = Faring Machine - http://box.net/public/khartung/files/518181.html = (acoustic guitar)
Nebula - = http://box.net/public/khartung/files/518278.html = (acoustic guitar)

Note: Somewhere = in these sound clips there is a VST software glitch, but I wasn’t = able to find it to edit it out…it sounds like a fluttering = electronic disturbance. If you are able to find it, please let me know = which song and time. Thanks.

These performances = were an interesting experience.  Performing alone in my basement = home studio, yet having others listening to me virtually and providing = feedback via instant messenger created an interesting dynamic and = feeling that I haven't experienced before. I am very pleased with these = performances and look forward to doing more.

Kris

**********************************************************= ***********************
Krispen = Hartung
Improvisational / = Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603
Subscribe to = email list: krispenhartung-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Performance = Calendar:
http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&v= alue=3DKrispen%20Hartung





------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C5A775.C758B960-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 23 07:47:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 547503BF2C; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 07:47:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <20050823012218.840F93BF2B@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050823012218.840F93BF2B@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Cc: Dan Mayfield Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Os Subject: Re: Laptops and air travel? Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:47:01 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 07:47:04 +0000 (UTC) one tip though - don't pack it too deeply in your luggage. often when you go through security they ask you to take laptops out of their bag/ sleeve and put it through the x-ray machine separately. cheers, os. On 23 Aug 2005, at 02:22, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers- delight.com wrote: > From: "Dan Mayfield" > Date: 22 August 2005 18:37:58 BDT > To: > Subject: Re: Laptops and air travel? > > > Thankyou all for your replies, it has put my mind at ease. Hope to > see many of you in Zurich in the next few days. > os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 23 07:55:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17D723BF44; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 07:55:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:55:54 +0100 Subject: Re: AW: AW: minimized loop setup (VF-1 footpedal) From: jeremy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050823012218.840F93BF2B@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: <7duAGC.A.g3G.OatCDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 07:55:59 +0000 (UTC) It is possible to use a footpedal plugged directly into the back of a VF-1 instead of a MIDI CC. It is a nuisance to have to reassign your controllers the patches you are going use to foot controller rather than MIDI. Where possible I have both control sources programmed in. (can't do this if you have three or four parameters patched to the same CC) You can make selecting patches quicker by assigning all the patches you will use in a performance to a user category so scrolling is easier. Jeremy > From: mark sottilaro > Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:35:54 -0700 (PDT) > To: > Subject: Re: AW: AW: minimized loop setup > > I love the VF-1 (I have two! It's on of the best > distortion units for synths I've found... not so good > for guitar preamp tones) but I've taken it out of my > special-ops set up because of it's awkward halfrack > nature and need of foot pedal. I use it primarily > becaues it lets you sync almost every periodic > perimeter to a MIDI clock. Great for beat synced > delays, but on the road it's going to be a lone Vox > Tonlab SE from here on in. It's got a great range of > effects, you've just got to preset the tempo or tap > them in. > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 23 09:26:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 574213BF42; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:26:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #5829618 Message-ID: <006501c5a7c4$3ecd55c0$ca8dfe91@inap> From: "Wavecomputer360" To: , References: <26ba8d1205082214436827c847@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: powered near-field monitors? Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:06:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <-32A7.A.EgB.ZvuCDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 09:26:50 +0000 (UTC) Hi Tom, my recommendation would be smaller Klein + Hummel (www.klein-hummel.de) speakers like the O98. They usually sell for around 750 Euros/pair on eBay, and I find them absolutely fantastic. These speakers were design to broadcast specs (and are commonly used for monitoring classical music) and if I had the money, I´d get me a pair of these (much better value than Genelec 1029a if you ask me but your mileage may vary). If money is no issue, I´d go for one of the big K+H cabinets, or for a Meyer Sound HD-1. Gorgeous! Stephen "I´m striving for the mysterious. The obvious doesn´t interest me." (Jon Hassell) Visit the official [´ramp] website at www.doombient.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Ritchford To: Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 11:43 PM Subject: OT: powered near-field monitors? I'm looking for a set of powered near-field monitors to replace my old Alesis Monitor Ones (I have an old Crown amp but I'd like to get rid of that, too). Concerns: -- reasonable sound -- price -- size. Since my studio is neither sound-proof nor acoustically particularly fine, I'd be willing to compromise somewhat on perfect sound for either price or size. But I can certainly spend several hundred dollars on a pair. Ideas? -- /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 23 10:58:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 972563BF42; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:58:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: EDP=INS=SUS Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 12:57:27 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Tue, 23 Aug 2005 12:51:19 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.109.68 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: <5tKOB.A.WOE.AFwCDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 10:58:08 +0000 (UTC) I'm experimenting with Insert=SUS ... while I press the Insert button in SUS mode, the EDP's output is muted which kind of creates a hole in the musical flow ... is there a way to do SUS inserts that don't mute? e.g. the new input that is inserted could be routed to the output while pressing the button so that there is no pause. Michael Peters www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 23 12:10:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B7243BF4A; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 12:10:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-80.messagelabs.com!1124799038!31122847!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.4.15; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [217.147.240.26] Message-ID: <5748E17E0A4F3C40B77B2819D9E628DE02DC87BD@lon-oxmail02> From: goddard.duncan@mtvne.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Robert Moog RIP Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:11:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C5A7DB.BBE6F900" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 12:10:46 +0000 (UTC) This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5A7DB.BBE6F900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>Sad news indeed. I've been playing ELP, Sun Ra, Jan Hammer, et al, today at the store in tribute. I have the honor of owning a 1974 Minimoog, it's one of the few truly beautiful instruments I own, and I intend to record a piece in tribute tonight, time permitting.<< make the time. mark his passing. I will be firing up my memorymoog & source tonight- both synths, I'm sure most people are aware, not designed by but certainly influenced by dr robert. the booklet accompanying the excellent "manhattan research" cd set of raymond scott's work throws a bit of light on bob's post-student/pre-carlos period, during which he was commissioned by scott to build various devices. credit for the term "sequencer" is the subject of some debate, with moog declining the honour, but when you think about the first major recorded uses of the sequencer, his 960 modules figure prominently. a looping tool was born. amongst my own earliest LP experiences of electronica (kraftwerk, tangerine dream, tomita....) is a two-LP set made by beaver & krause for nonesuch; "the nonesuch guide to electronic music". I can remember staring for hours at the pictures of the moog 3C system they used on this album, & trying (with very limited resources!) to build a sequencer of my own. perhaps my obsessive accumulation of hardware sequencers stems from this- whatever, musically, I owe pretty much everything to the good doctor's endeavours. I hope he didn't suffer. duncan/r.m.i. *************************************************************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the ordinary user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed, and may also be privileged. If you are not the addressee of this e-mail you may not copy, forward, disclose or otherwise use it or any part of it in any form whatsoever.If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message. It is your responsibility to carry out appropriate virus and other checks to ensure that this message and any attachments do not affect your systems / data. Any views or opinions expressed in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of MTV Networks Europe unless specifically stated, nor does this message form any part of any contract unless so stated. MTV reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from external/internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of MTV communication equipment. MTV Networks Europe *************************************************************************** ------_=_NextPart_001_01C5A7DB.BBE6F900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Robert Moog RIP

>>Sad news indeed. I've been playing ELP, Sun Ra, J= an Hammer, et al, today
at the store in tribute. I have the honor of owning a 19= 74 Minimoog, it's
one of the few truly beautiful instruments I own, and I = intend to record a
piece in tribute tonight, time permitting.<<

make the time. mark his passing. I will be firing up my m= emorymoog & source tonight- both synths, I'm sure most people are aware= , not designed by but certainly influenced by dr robert.

the booklet accompanying the excellent "manhattan re= search" cd set of raymond scott's work throws a bit of light on bob's = post-student/pre-carlos period, during which he was commissioned by scott t= o build various devices. credit for the term "sequencer" is the s= ubject of some debate, with moog declining the honour, but when you think a= bout the first major recorded uses of the sequencer, his 960 modules figure= prominently. a looping tool was born.

amongst my own earliest LP experiences of electronica (kr= aftwerk, tangerine dream, tomita....) is a two-LP set made by beaver & = krause for nonesuch; "the nonesuch guide to electronic music". I = can remember staring for hours at the pictures of the moog 3C system they u= sed on this album, & trying (with very limited resources!) to build a s= equencer of my own. perhaps my obsessive accumulation of hardware sequencer= s stems from this- whatever, musically, I owe pretty much everything to the= good doctor's endeavours.

I hope he didn't suffer.

duncan/r.m.i.



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------_=_NextPart_001_01C5A7DB.BBE6F900-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 23 14:22:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C0CF3BF47; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:22:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <14151481.1124806947803.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:22:27 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptops and air travel? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:22:29 +0000 (UTC) Are you the Hordinski who was the guitarist in Over the Rhine? I remember t= hat band and thought you were wonderful. Still at it? -----Original Message----- From: ric hordinski Sent: Aug 22, 2005 11:14 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptops and air travel? no On Aug 22, 2005, at 12:56 PM, Dan Mayfield wrote: > Just had a worrying thought, can=A0the altitude of planes damage my=20 > laptop? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 23 14:40:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF2153BF51; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:40:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: AW: AW: minimized loop setup (VF-1 footpedal) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:40:54 -0600 Message-ID: <008401c5a7f0$aaa09f10$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 136, in=429, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:40:57 +0000 (UTC) "It is possible to use a footpedal plugged directly into the back of a VF-1 instead of a MIDI CC." Yes, just get an expression pedal like the EV-5...there is a 1/4 inch input for it. Kris > From: mark sottilaro > Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:35:54 -0700 (PDT) > To: > Subject: Re: AW: AW: minimized loop setup > > I love the VF-1 (I have two! It's on of the best > distortion units for synths I've found... not so good > for guitar preamp tones) but I've taken it out of my special-ops set > up because of it's awkward halfrack nature and need of foot pedal. I > use it primarily becaues it lets you sync almost every periodic > perimeter to a MIDI clock. Great for beat synced > delays, but on the road it's going to be a lone Vox > Tonlab SE from here on in. It's got a great range of > effects, you've just got to preset the tempo or tap > them in. > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 23 15:32:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 597AC3BEF9; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:32:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: I just wanna insert! Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:32:49 +0000 Message-Id: <082320051532.20532.430B41A1000283360000503421979267619B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 21 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 15:32:52 +0000 (UTC) Hi all. I was playing with the Insert function on the EDP for the first time this morning and having some problems. For my jazz stuff I set the EDP for Quantize=off, RoundMode=off and SwitchQuant=Loop. I was trying to do an AABA accompaniment pattern with a different drum loop on the B than on the A. So I would play in three A sections (not using Mulitiply, just playing them all three in back to back). Then I hit Record to loop that back. When the time came for the B section I would hit Insert, and play it in. What I would LIKE to happen is to hit some pedal to stop inserting, and have the last A section still be there when I'm finished, to make a complete AABA form. The problem is...if I hit Record to stop inserting, it does the "Alternate ending" thing and blows away the last A section I recorded. If I hit Insert again, it doesn't immediately stop inserting, it waits until an amount of time equal to the original AAA loop goes by before it stops. Is there some way I can do a simple insert without it rounding things off at all? Right now I have InsertMode set to "Ins". Any help would be appreciated, thanks. Mark Smart From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 23 16:14:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E97F83BF17; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:14:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ljuPJCo1pmDcAQW+VaqVyZHU9/Z3mLWVGgS4FdmNkker6Q3U1sfxfMNSb7QC+t+UQorX3ybun104yZ5sp1e0ltuJaU5xMG+BH1HHwHHDZ5D5xBQCVqy0HOkb4f77qziquktkB33qIbeuQ2ZgTS3MRN28EO4Lo47VDflj7mRAmWA= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:14:51 -0500 From: Jon Southwood To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I just wanna insert! In-Reply-To: <082320051532.20532.430B41A1000283360000503421979267619B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <082320051532.20532.430B41A1000283360000503421979267619B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:14:59 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Mark. Unless Quantize=3D8ths will take care of this (and I'm not sure), you might have to end Record of the first A with Multiply to set the cycle length. It's always been my understanding that, like Multiply, Insert only works on full cycles. (Again, this may have changed with Quantize=3D8ths, but I suspect not). The only way around this is to end either Multiply or Insert with Record. The result of the alternate ending of Insert with Record should be that it immediately stops the insert, and redefines the length of the cycle such that the entire loop is now one cycle. The only way I know of to have Insert perform like you describe is to have it set to Insert=3DRpl. If you want to Record all three A sections to build in variation, here's a way that might make it work for you: 1. Find something that is consistent among all three A sections; Hit Record and play it. 2. End that Record with Multiply and starting playing the parts that vary 3. End the Multiply with Insert when you get to your B section 4. End the Insert with Overdub to play the last remaining varied bits for the A sections. Good luck. Cheers, Jon Southwood P.S. I just thought of something else that might cause weirdness: when I fat-foot the buttons, sometimes I get very strange behavior. It happened to me at a gig this past Friday night. I thought I hit Mute and I hit a couple buttons at the same time. Not sure what happened. Took some fast footwork to get it to respond as expected. Next time, I'm wearing narrower shoes. On 8/23/05, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > Hi all. > I was playing with the Insert function on the EDP for the first time this > morning and having some problems. For my jazz stuff I set the EDP for > Quantize=3Doff, RoundMode=3Doff and SwitchQuant=3DLoop. I was trying to d= o an AABA > accompaniment pattern with a different drum loop on the B than on the A. = So I > would play in three A sections (not using Mulitiply, just playing them al= l > three in back to back). Then I hit Record to loop that back. When the tim= e came > for the B section I would hit Insert, and play it in. >=20 > What I would LIKE to happen is to hit some pedal to stop inserting, and h= ave > the last A section still be there when I'm finished, to make a complete A= ABA > form. >=20 > The problem is...if I hit Record to stop inserting, it does the "Alternat= e > ending" thing and blows away the last A section I recorded. If I hit Inse= rt > again, it doesn't immediately stop inserting, it waits until an amount of= time > equal to the original AAA loop goes by before it stops. Is there some way= I can > do a simple insert without it rounding things off at all? Right now I hav= e > InsertMode set to "Ins". Any help would be appreciated, thanks. >=20 > Mark Smart >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 23 16:39:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE8E63BF15; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:39:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kAHyLQncmDwlo/vA9UfXvLNmV1AxfF5So0aQFIBf3Vhg0GyuEcSRJXtsE8kvXaShplKs60yn5zNmou9TYDjoZ4vhLoA+gsGKfpmjbAiOkO5rVg936ot6coligRT+SWhJLq4DszB7b09wrU/gRQreBqLVp8DAfJgFr4ylbUBMVZc= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 12:39:06 -0400 From: "edward ." To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: powered near-field monitors? In-Reply-To: <006501c5a7c4$3ecd55c0$ca8dfe91@inap> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <26ba8d1205082214436827c847@mail.gmail.com> <006501c5a7c4$3ecd55c0$ca8dfe91@inap> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:39:07 +0000 (UTC) I'm happy with the 1029A's. I got mine used for like $850. e* On 8/23/05, Wavecomputer360 wrote: > Hi Tom, >=20 > my recommendation would be smaller Klein + Hummel (www.klein-hummel.de) > speakers like the O98. They usually sell for around 750 Euros/pair on eBa= y, > and I find them absolutely fantastic. These speakers were design to > broadcast specs (and are commonly used for monitoring classical music) an= d > if I had the money, I=B4d get me a pair of these (much better value than > Genelec 1029a if you ask me but your mileage may vary). If money is no > issue, I=B4d go for one of the big K+H cabinets, or for a Meyer Sound HD-= 1. > Gorgeous! >=20 > Stephen >=20 >=20 > "I=B4m striving for the mysterious. The obvious doesn=B4t interest me." (= Jon > Hassell) >=20 > Visit the official [=B4ramp] website at www.doombient.com >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Ritchford > To: > Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 11:43 PM > Subject: OT: powered near-field monitors? >=20 >=20 > I'm looking for a set of powered near-field monitors to replace my old > Alesis Monitor Ones (I have an old Crown amp but I'd like to get rid > of that, too). >=20 > Concerns: > -- reasonable sound > -- price > -- size. >=20 > Since my studio is neither sound-proof nor acoustically particularly > fine, I'd be willing to compromise somewhat on perfect sound for > either price or size. But I can certainly spend several hundred > dollars on a pair. >=20 > Ideas? >=20 > -- > /t >=20 > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar >=20 >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 23 17:23:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC5653BF1A; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:23:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001801c5a807$530a7980$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <082320051532.20532.430B41A1000283360000503421979267619B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> Subject: Re: I just wanna insert! Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:23:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: <5SBSmC.A.FiH.Cu1CDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:23:15 +0000 (UTC) the trick is to let the foot on the insert switch till you're done then lift it where you want the insert to stop (good EDP exercise btw) this is possible if your B part is longer than the detection of a long press (1-2 secs ??) if you wannt to enter glitch land and insert very small snippets Insert:SUS If you have a midi footped that can sent toggling messages you could recreate the function (direct midi) you wanted at the beginning Claude > Hi all. > I was playing with the Insert function on the EDP for the first time this > morning and having some problems. For my jazz stuff I set the EDP for > Quantize=off, RoundMode=off and SwitchQuant=Loop. I was trying to do an > AABA > accompaniment pattern with a different drum loop on the B than on the A. > So I > would play in three A sections (not using Mulitiply, just playing them all > three in back to back). Then I hit Record to loop that back. When the time > came > for the B section I would hit Insert, and play it in. > > What I would LIKE to happen is to hit some pedal to stop inserting, and > have > the last A section still be there when I'm finished, to make a complete > AABA > form. > > The problem is...if I hit Record to stop inserting, it does the "Alternate > ending" thing and blows away the last A section I recorded. If I hit > Insert > again, it doesn't immediately stop inserting, it waits until an amount of > time > equal to the original AAA loop goes by before it stops. Is there some way > I can > do a simple insert without it rounding things off at all? Right now I have > InsertMode set to "Ins". Any help would be appreciated, thanks. > > Mark Smart > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 23 17:42:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9939D3BF34; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:42:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002c01c5a80a$51763d90$af704a18@carolina.rr.com> From: "Larry" To: References: <000001c5a520$789d7a10$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Subject: Re: minimized loop setup Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:44:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:42:49 +0000 (UTC) My minimal set-up is: * Fender Telecaster + Ebow * (2) PDS-8000 Echo Pluses run in series * Princeton amp (with reverb and chorus in the foot-switchable fx loop) * Amp to PA I find this a very portable and relatively inexpensive set-up. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 8:45 PM Subject: AW: minimized loop setup "minimized" is to be seen as "minimized vs. my big setup (including 8HU angled rack, two synths, drum machine, FCB1010, VBass,...) quick setup is also intended. Plug in the power chord, plug in the guitar, connect the output to the PA...set. I'm thinking about a suitcase (perhaps with detachable lid) where I would put in one wooden board with the pedals plus the power distribution attached to it, then another smaller board with the KP2 and the MicroMod. >From what I've read and seen, those guitar multi-effect floorboards seem to be in use by about anyone. So I might also use one of those. What is the way to go - Boss (GT-8), Digitech,...?). Note that while I liked the amp models of the POD XT Live, I didn't like its system structure, so this one is not in the run. And then there is the question "do I need anything else in addition to the looper, the looper/delay, the MicroMod and the KP2"? I actually want to have two loopers: one "main looper" somewhere near the beginning of the chain (to be able to put effects on the looped signal), and one delay with looping capabilities at the end of the chain. For the latter, the only alternative to the DL4 seems to be the Boss DD-20. For the first looper, I'm thinking about the Digitech Jamman. It also offers a microphone input. So one possible setup would be guitar->GT-8 (with Jamman in the effects loop)->MicroMod->KP2->DD20/DL4. Or I could go with a super-cheap amp modeler (read: Behringer XVAMP) and invest the money I saved in comparison to the GT-8 into a nice wah and lots of stompboxes...thoughts? Rainer -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: David Kirkdorffer [mailto:vze2ncsr@verizon.net] Gesendet: Freitag, 19. August 2005 23:45 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: minimized loop setup Question - "minimized" OR "quick" set-up? Personally, I would like both. But I go for "quick" first. It is more important when I am playing live. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 23 18:07:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37C9F3BF43; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:07:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003901c5a80d$c3bf42e0$af704a18@carolina.rr.com> From: "Larry" To: References: <20050820213955.15109.qmail@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: effects/synth/sequencer/loops=palm sized unit Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:09:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01C5A7EC.3C6BDEF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:07:26 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C5A7EC.3C6BDEF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > like the oil companies silence fuel alternatives This analogy makes no sense. Further, it sounds like the knee jerk=20 reaction of a Young Communist Leaguer...The assumption implies that=20 capitalism is inherently bad, which is ridiculous. Further, if the so-called evil 'fuel companies' silence alternatives, = then how=20 did I ever hear about biomass, shale oil, ethanol, solar power, wind = power,=20 hydro-power, hydrogen power and the many other alternatives available? Statements like yours and the underlying philosophy behind them are why = America=20 has been careening down the road toward a form of National Socialism for = the last=20 century. Sorry, I couldn't let that one slide... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: daniel stevenson=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopersdelight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 5:39 PM Subject: effects/synth/sequencer/loops=3Dpalm sized unit sup how long do ya think it will be untill someone puts it all together in = one small package?i fear the big manufacturers dont want to make it so = easy for us.they are concerned too much with profits and selling us = peice by piece yet remain competitive.like the oil companies silence = fuel alternatives. scary -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C5A7EC.3C6BDEF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> like the oil companies silence fuel alternatives
 
This analogy makes no sense. Further, = it=20 sounds like the knee jerk
reaction of a Young Communist = Leaguer...The=20 assumption implies that 
capitalism is inherently bad, which is ridiculous.
 
Further, if the so-called evil 'fuel = companies'=20 silence alternatives, then how
did I ever hear=20 about biomass, shale oil, ethanol, solar power, wind power, =
hydro-power, hydrogen power and the = many=20 other alternatives = available?
 
Statements like yours and the = underlying philosophy=20 behind them are why America
has been careening=20 down the road toward a form of National Socialism for the last =
century.
 
Sorry, I couldn't let that one=20 slide...
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 daniel=20 stevenson
To: Loopers-Delight@looper= sdelight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 = 5:39=20 PM
Subject:=20 effects/synth/sequencer/loops=3Dpalm sized unit

sup
how long do ya think it will be untill someone puts it all = together in=20 one small package?i fear the big manufacturers dont want to make = it so=20 easy for us.they are concerned too much with profits and selling us = peice by=20 piece yet remain competitive.like the oil companies silence fuel=20 alternatives.
scary

St= art=20 your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page = ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C5A7EC.3C6BDEF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 23 18:10:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9FEA3BF47; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:10:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <003901c5a80d$c3bf42e0$af704a18@carolina.rr.com> References: <20050820213955.15109.qmail@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003901c5a80d$c3bf42e0$af704a18@carolina.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-10-484390254 Message-Id: <5246FB25-E91A-43E6-935A-3C58FFFD8A52@midway.uchicago.edu> From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: effects/synth/sequencer/loops=palm sized unit Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:07:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:10:53 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-10-484390254 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > America > has been careening down the road toward a form of National > Socialism for the last > century. Thanks for the laugh... Jeff --Apple-Mail-10-484390254 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII
Thanks for the = laugh...

Jeff
= --Apple-Mail-10-484390254-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 23 18:13:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 762513BF47; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:13:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 12:13:49 -0600 Message-Id: <200508231813.j7NIDnN24963@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: effects/synth/sequencer/loops=palm sized unit X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.19.192 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <8bJUFB.A.3bC.ed2CDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:13:51 +0000 (UTC) > Statements like yours and the underlying philosophy behind them are why America > has been careening down the road toward a form of National Socialism for the last > century. And you say that like its a bad thing Kevin How amazing, how amazing! Hard to comprehend that Nonsentient beings expound Dharma. It simply cannot be heard with the ear, But when sound is heard with the eye, Then it is understood. - Tung-shan (807-869) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 23 18:31:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBE7C3BF50; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:31:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000801c5a812$34ac1e20$1f03d00c@insightbb.com> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: <082320051532.20532.430B41A1000283360000503421979267619B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> <001801c5a807$530a7980$0400000a@mini> Subject: Re: I just wanna insert! Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:40:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:31:59 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claude Voit" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 12:23 PM Subject: Re: I just wanna insert! > the trick is to let the foot on the insert switch till you're done then lift > it where you want the insert to stop (good EDP exercise btw) > > this is possible if your B part is longer than the detection of a long > press (1-2 secs ??) > if you wannt to enter glitch land and insert very small snippets Insert:SUS > If you have a midi footped that can sent toggling messages you could > recreate the function (direct midi) you wanted at the beginning > > Claude Thanks, Claude. That ALMOST works. Or rather, it works in terms of making that loop contain the right stuff. Unfortunately, it seems like after I do the insert, the Echoplex thinks that the end of the inserted section is now the beginning of the loop. So when I hit Next Loop to go to the other loop (the background for playing solos on) it jumps to that loop after the B section rather than at the place where the original beginning was. (I use SwitchQuant to switch between loops) It happens like this: I record in my three "A" sections: A1 A2 A3 Then when that plays back, I hit and hold Insert while playing in the "B" section. The end result that I want is this: A1 A2 B A3 But what I get is: A3 A1 A2 B It has redefined the beginning of the loop to be on the beginning of A3. So if I hit Nextloop it changes loops in the wrong place. Maybe I still have something set wrong, I dunno. Maybe I should give up on trying to have different drums on the bridge. Much easier to deal with! Mark Smart From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 23 18:45:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FF303BF55; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:45:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oio4KzbkwlsDbB2rYjOEIhfnm3GihKf0o35fuBh5b4oCCfdScSFS9JdueLH9VXm3PcsNcf88ZBFSgA0zxBU/xZI4LFoyFAbPhJnLAe0bSD2fVID4VSSMj2UMTsFHrwrstzzQpsTHm6R9YzpJc6l4cGWzWmVI9lhaRm+Axaa9o4Q= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 11:45:46 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: effects/synth/sequencer/loops=palm sized unit In-Reply-To: <003901c5a80d$c3bf42e0$af704a18@carolina.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050820213955.15109.qmail@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003901c5a80d$c3bf42e0$af704a18@carolina.rr.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:45:48 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, but what's this Godwin's Law thing I've heard so much about? On 8/23/05, Larry wrote: > =20 > > like the oil companies silence fuel alternatives=20 > =20 > This analogy makes no sense. Further, it sounds like the knee jerk=20 > reaction of a Young Communist Leaguer...The assumption implies that =20 > capitalism is inherently bad, which is ridiculous.=20 > =20 > Further, if the so-called evil 'fuel companies' silence alternatives, the= n > how=20 > did I ever hear about biomass, shale oil, ethanol, solar power, wind powe= r,=20 > hydro-power, hydrogen power and the many other alternatives available?=20 > =20 > Statements like yours and the underlying philosophy behind them are why > America=20 > has been careening down the road toward a form of National Socialism for = the > last=20 > century.=20 > =20 > Sorry, I couldn't let that one slide...=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 23 18:52:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 065453BF55; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:52:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=f3vz6l+S/UokrtytTdEqidZnDufOGWceJeoaiGxXYOrBU4KGPhwosmw67KXF3WVLMb2YFfZJavFXijLMBSrUMZLOsrfCElceM9Gyg0sME6ZWibqih3T+fYrEof6i5EiDDSY2t5gcnZwHk33rlgooOw73Z2//8SvxVqAn8MbACmo= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:52:31 -0500 From: Jon Southwood To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I just wanna insert! In-Reply-To: <000801c5a812$34ac1e20$1f03d00c@insightbb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <082320051532.20532.430B41A1000283360000503421979267619B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> <001801c5a807$530a7980$0400000a@mini> <000801c5a812$34ac1e20$1f03d00c@insightbb.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:52:32 +0000 (UTC) Mark, Check the "SamplerStyle" parameter. Assuming the new cycle, as defined by the unrounded ending of Insert, has the same StartPoint that the loop had going in (and I think it's supposed to), then you want SamplerStyle set to "Sta" (for Start). That way, whenever you switch loops with NextLoop, it will start from the beginning of the loop. Other settings for SamplerStyle (many, if not all others) leave NextLoop switches to be "continuous", i.e. you enter the loop where you left it last. If, however, the unroundedInsert is leaving the beginning of A3 as the StartPoint for the (now consolidated) loop, you may need to re-set the StartPoint of the loop using the StartPoint function. The manual has the details. I hope that helps. Cheers, Jon Southwood On 8/23/05, Mark Smart wrote: > That ALMOST works. Or rather, it works in terms of making that loop conta= in the > right stuff. Unfortunately, it seems like after I do the insert, the Echo= plex > thinks that the end of the inserted section is now the beginning of the l= oop. So > when I hit Next Loop to go to the other loop (the background for playing = solos > on) it jumps to that loop after the B section rather than at the place wh= ere the > original beginning was. (I use SwitchQuant to switch between loops) >=20 > It happens like this: >=20 > I record in my three "A" sections: >=20 > A1 A2 A3 >=20 > Then when that plays back, I hit and hold Insert while playing in the "B" > section. The end result that I want is this: >=20 > A1 A2 B A3 >=20 > But what I get is: >=20 > A3 A1 A2 B >=20 > It has redefined the beginning of the loop to be on the beginning of A3. = So if I > hit Nextloop it changes loops in the wrong place. Maybe I still have some= thing > set wrong, I dunno. >=20 > Maybe I should give up on trying to have different drums on the bridge. M= uch > easier to deal with! >=20 > Mark Smart >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 23 19:49:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41B263BF4D; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:49:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OQlxq4+vuMQ8g3HwYMXct29Mq0hXIRIB9JMdx1wv0Ew/ZIPWu+IkLmV2eDNwO/w8R6LqWMwgPgFzgVhKAWANqtI801iX4RTTf6cpg1lEwM2uFcbGIfFMAYrGkSr6BEh3xQhuLtkgpnu2+S2AhCSLw9xLGBy7doUd+f+tAo9wmiA= ; Message-ID: <20050823194911.15014.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 12:49:11 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: powered near-field monitors? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:49:12 +0000 (UTC) I'm a fan of the Mackie HR824s. Listened to a bunch in that price range and found them to be a good value. I'm often amazed at how nice and accurate the bass is without ever getting flubby. High end is sweet but never shrill. I keep thinking I'd supplement it with the matching subwoofer, but never get around to it as they seem to sound great out of the box. ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 23 21:19:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 561793BF40; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:19:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: mwsmart@insightbb.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: I just wanna insert! Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:19:00 +0000 Message-Id: <082320052119.2446.430B92C4000D746E0000098E21979128029B9D0E039C9903@insightbb.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Jun 21 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bXdzbWFydEBpbnNpZ2h0YmIuY29t Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:19:03 +0000 (UTC) > Mark, > > If, however, the unroundedInsert is leaving the beginning of A3 as the > StartPoint for the (now consolidated) loop, you may need to re-set the > StartPoint of the loop using the StartPoint function. The manual has > the details. > > I hope that helps. > Cheers, > Jon Southwood Yeah, it is really re-defining where the beginning is. After I do the insert, I get 2 LEDs flashing every time the end of the B section happens. And if I mute and unmute, it plays back from that point, too. It seems weird to me that it would redefine the start point just because you did an insert. Mark Smart From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 23 23:51:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 729873BF40; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 23:51:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jfloridis@aol.com Message-ID: <1f6.107b5cba.303d1080@aol.com> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:51:28 EDT Subject: the loop and nothing but the loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_1f6.107b5cba.303d1080_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 23:51:31 +0000 (UTC) --part1_1f6.107b5cba.303d1080_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dear loopy friends, advice requested.... in a group setting i would like to send a "wet" or loop only signal to a seperate monitor, ie., for a drummer. i own an echoplex and a boss loop station. is there a way to do this? i do not want this seperate monitor mix to include the solo or "lead" playing that i will be performing over the loop which would generally consist of a rhythm guitar part or muted percussion effects. i would just as soon not have two amps on stage, but i suppose that's the other option. i know that the boomerang has an aux out that is able to do this, but since i already own two worthy to excellent pieces of equipment, i would just as soon no purchase a third. i do know of the "defected" boomerangs that are or were on sale. any advice is welcome, john floridis --part1_1f6.107b5cba.303d1080_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable dear loopy friends,

advice requested....

in a group setting i would like to send a "wet" or loop only=20= signal to a seperate monitor, ie., for a drummer.  i own an echoplex a= nd a boss loop station.  is there a way to do this?  i do not wa= nt this seperate monitor mix to include the solo or "lead" playing that i wi= ll be performing over the loop which would generally consist of a rhythm gui= tar part or muted percussion effects.  i would just as soon not have t= wo amps on stage, but i suppose that's the other option.

i know that the boomerang has an aux out that is able to do this, but since=20= i already own two worthy to excellent pieces of equipment, i would just as s= oon no purchase a third.  i do know of the "defected" boomerangs that=20= are or were on sale.

any advice is welcome,

john floridis --part1_1f6.107b5cba.303d1080_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 24 04:05:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBBC23BF3D; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 04:05:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <26ba8d1205082218557ebd6bba@mail.gmail.com> References: <26ba8d1205082218557ebd6bba@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Lee Barnes Subject: Re: My humble tribute : Bob Moog and Dr. Z Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 00:05:28 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 04:05:30 +0000 (UTC) Well, in "Boogiepop Phantom" they had a group of three kids who were in=20= stasis playing a theramin. Kinda taking this back to Bob's roots. I had a Big Briar Theramin=20 (from a kit) that didn't make it after a break-in at an old apartment,=20= great instrument, will hopefully be picking up a MF-105 in the fairly=20 near future. Lee On Aug 22, 2005, at 9:55 PM, Tom Ritchford wrote: > I would hope that in the afterlife one could do synthesis directly and > dispense with electronics entirely. > > Mmmm, sine waves. > > On 8/22/05, todd reynolds wrote: >> Perhaps called up at the same time to work on some new =FCbersynth? >> >> I can only imagine the two 'great men' talking on a different = plane. >> >> Here's to both of them at once, having made contributions that leave=20= >> us all >> changed. >> >> Todd >> >> > > > --=20 > /t > > http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 24 05:55:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D91E93BF22; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 05:55:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4549.24.92.72.91.1124862956.squirrel@webmail3.pair.com> In-Reply-To: References: <26ba8d1205082218557ebd6bba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 01:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Bob Moog... From: gary@friendlyspider.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 05:55:57 +0000 (UTC) Here's an awful pic of me in '78 (?): http://friendlyspider.com/Me&Moog.gif I think I just caught a fly. I studied electronic music at Memphis State University for 3 semesters (only 2 counted for anything)... ..and that had to be the only picture..! I used to lock the doors and turn off the lights to the room at 11:45pm and wait till the guard made the final rounds in the building... then I'd crank back up and play till dawn... and it's all Bob's fault... gp Then I got to work with an Arp 2600 for a few years... but it wasn't quite the same. Now a Chroma Polaris is the closest I have to analogue synth heaven. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 24 15:40:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 307B43BF3E; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:40:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "mrweasel" To: Subject: Reputer Software for Electrix Repeater + Repeater tempo question Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:40:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C5A8CA.81114520" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcWowh7LV+zlgXOTQuSRyPC7u8gUEA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-Id: <20050824154018.9F2833BF36@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:40:19 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C5A8CA.81114520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anybody have the Web address for the Reputer software, which allows the trimming of repeater loops for exporting and importing. The email address is piggyfinger@yahoo.com but I can't remember the website's URL. I would like to have a look at the manual. Also, I have a question for Repeater users. When you make a loop in user mode at, saying a 120 BPM tempo, without paying attention to the actual tempo (so let's say what you play is actually at 90BPM), is there any way to modify the tempo setting afterwards without accelerating or slowing the loop. The only way I could find was to hold the sync button to change the loop info and turn the loop button. The only thing is that it skips tempos by 25 BPM at a time or so (subdivisions of the calculated beat I suppose). I would like to assign any tempo I want on it without affecting the speed or the pitch, in order to synchronize the repeater to my MPC1000. Thanks for you help. Julien ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C5A8CA.81114520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Does anybody = have the=20 Web address for the Reputer software, which allows the trimming of = repeater=20 loops for exporting and importing.
The email = address is=20 piggyfinger@yahoo.com&nb= sp;but I=20 can't remember the website's URL.
I would like = to have a=20 look at the manual.
 
Also, I have a question for Repeater users. When you = make a loop=20 in user mode at, saying a 120 BPM tempo, without paying attention to the = actual=20 tempo (so let's say what you play is actually at 90BPM), is there any = way to=20 modify the tempo setting afterwards without accelerating or slowing the = loop.=20 The only way I could find was to hold the sync button to change the loop = info=20 and turn the loop button. The only thing is that it skips tempos by 25 = BPM at a=20 time or so (subdivisions of the calculated beat I suppose). I would like = to=20 assign any tempo I want on it without affecting the speed or the pitch, = in order=20 to synchronize the repeater to my MPC1000.
 
Thanks for you help.
 
Julien
 
------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C5A8CA.81114520-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 24 16:59:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04C243BF4D; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:59:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: <20050824154018.9F2833BF36@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050824154018.9F2833BF36@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-566670754 Message-Id: <09C6017A-6DD7-4BC1-AE9C-AB95C9379312@chello.nl> From: Willem van Peursem Subject: Re: Reputer Software for Electrix Repeater + Repeater tempo question Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:59:18 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:59:22 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-566670754 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Sorry I can't help you with this Iam looking for the schematic's on a Korg SE 500 tape delay I want to modifie maybe better next time w.peursem@chello.nl Op 24-aug-2005, om 17:40 heeft mrweasel het volgende geschreven: > Does anybody have the Web address for the Reputer software, which > allows the trimming of repeater loops for exporting and importing. > The email address is piggyfinger@yahoo.com but I can't remember the > website's URL. > I would like to have a look at the manual. > > Also, I have a question for Repeater users. When you make a loop in > user mode at, saying a 120 BPM tempo, without paying attention to > the actual tempo (so let's say what you play is actually at 90BPM), > is there any way to modify the tempo setting afterwards without > accelerating or slowing the loop. The only way I could find was to > hold the sync button to change the loop info and turn the loop > button. The only thing is that it skips tempos by 25 BPM at a time > or so (subdivisions of the calculated beat I suppose). I would like > to assign any tempo I want on it without affecting the speed or the > pitch, in order to synchronize the repeater to my MPC1000. > > Thanks for you help. > > Julien > --Apple-Mail-1-566670754 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sorry I can't help you with = this
=A0Iam looking for the schematic's on a Korg SE 500 tape delay = I want to modifie

maybe better next = time



Op = 24-aug-2005, om 17:40 heeft mrweasel het volgende geschreven:

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Does = anybody have the Web address for the Reputer software, which allows the = trimming of repeater loops for exporting and = importing.
The email address = is piggyfinger@yahoo.com=A0b= ut I can't remember the website's URL.
I would like to = have a look at the manual.
=A0
Also, I have a = question for Repeater users. When you make a loop in user mode at, = saying a 120 BPM tempo, without paying attention to the actual tempo (so = let's say what you play is actually at 90BPM), is there any way to = modify the tempo setting afterwards without accelerating or slowing the = loop. The only way I could find was to hold the sync button to change = the loop info and turn the loop button. The only thing is that it skips = tempos by 25 BPM at a time or so (subdivisions of the calculated beat I = suppose). I would like to assign any tempo I want on it without = affecting the speed or the pitch, in order to synchronize the repeater = to my MPC1000.
=A0
Thanks for you = help.
=A0
Julien
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= --Apple-Mail-1-566670754-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 24 17:09:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60FA23BF52; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:09:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=CFTVdK51/CiHDXPt95OJ6tdbU3lbBlVwsod3DV+j1H4TTS5fYXX8ts4a4FAoDbKiT7NGlSRS9CRrw9/Kh/TM2HiTaXbpgMtgpDC2QOomrM0NQ8eW+ewgIqgvEdM7qZx1MrB4pEtp9A2l7DdR/3rOtFtfZaFkSE3F3T3VosPehwQ= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:09:21 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reputer Software for Electrix Repeater + Repeater tempo question In-Reply-To: <20050824154018.9F2833BF36@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050824154018.9F2833BF36@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1BaGJD.A.t5H.CnKDDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:09:23 +0000 (UTC) Have you checked the Yahoo Repeater discusson group? On 8/24/05, mrweasel wrote: > =20 > Does anybody have the Web address for the Reputer software, which allows = the > trimming of repeater loops for exporting and importing.=20 > The email address is piggyfinger@yahoo.com but I can't remember the > website's URL.=20 > I would like to have a look at the manual.=20 > =20 > Also, I have a question for Repeater users. When you make a loop in user > mode at, saying a 120 BPM tempo, without paying attention to the actual > tempo (so let's say what you play is actually at 90BPM), is there any way= to > modify the tempo setting afterwards without accelerating or slowing the > loop. The only way I could find was to hold the sync button to change the > loop info and turn the loop button. The only thing is that it skips tempo= s > by 25 BPM at a time or so (subdivisions of the calculated beat I suppose)= . I > would like to assign any tempo I want on it without affecting the speed o= r > the pitch, in order to synchronize the repeater to my MPC1000.=20 > =20 > Thanks for you help.=20 > =20 > Julien=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 24 17:20:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA6283BF3E; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:20:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003601c5a8d0$0ae8f3b0$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <20050824154018.9F2833BF36@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Reputer Software for Electrix Repeater + Repeater tempo question Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:19:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:20:01 +0000 (UTC) Have you checked the Yahoo Repeater discusson group? NA.....why? LD is faster, sexier, and we reply extensively to all and any musical gear use, abuse, amuse, excuse question Claude I must finish to pack my gear for Zurich NOW!!!!! and not answer on the dead list :=) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 24 17:27:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 421F53BF4E; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:27:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "mrweasel" To: Subject: RE: Reputer Software for Electrix Repeater + Repeater tempo question Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:27:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <003601c5a8d0$0ae8f3b0$0400000a@mini> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcWo0BBLCiLWZUhOQD+8yfU+pR7LxAAAK/ag Message-Id: <20050824172756.9AA213BF26@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:27:57 +0000 (UTC) Exactly + I wasn't a registered member of the Yahoo Repeater forum, and registration is not simultaneous on it. Enjoy Zurich Claude. Ju. -----Original Message----- From: Claude Voit [mailto:c.voit@vtx.ch] Sent: 24 August 2005 18:20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reputer Software for Electrix Repeater + Repeater tempo question Have you checked the Yahoo Repeater discusson group? NA.....why? LD is faster, sexier, and we reply extensively to all and any musical gear use, abuse, amuse, excuse question Claude I must finish to pack my gear for Zurich NOW!!!!! and not answer on the dead list :=) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 24 17:35:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E7253BF5A; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:35:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Zk4LV8qsF7Srb0+qLPEF6bA7kBiooj4qP2M2+AOD6lGNY1nBTz545HwX319ZrcYLFmQeJ5hFIDX9ZxgKUK1o8i7TDq82YguM4931cZrkLWKIjzEk15JXO/giYZBEd4W4osID3QqrBE8YPRF2CjtPQYSc88KNKLZqUwioQnYkdko= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:35:00 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reputer Software for Electrix Repeater + Repeater tempo question In-Reply-To: <20050824172756.9AA213BF26@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <003601c5a8d0$0ae8f3b0$0400000a@mini> <20050824172756.9AA213BF26@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:35:05 +0000 (UTC) So, you've got the email address for the guy who made it, but rather than contact him you emailed Looper's Delight instead? On 8/24/05, mrweasel wrote: > Exactly > + I wasn't a registered member of the Yahoo Repeater forum, and registrat= ion > is not simultaneous on it. > Enjoy Zurich Claude. > Ju. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 24 17:46:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF0653BF5B; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:46:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "mrweasel" To: Subject: RE: Reputer Software for Electrix Repeater + Repeater tempo question Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:46:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcWo0iqGwHvaT7N7SGWK8PRhHtdUSgAACDYg Message-Id: <20050824174626.E17723BF45@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:46:27 +0000 (UTC) No it's not that. I got his email from this forum a few months ago, then emailed him and he sent me the website address to download the software. I downloaded the trial version without using it. A few weeks ago, I paid for the licence as I was planning to use the software from the end of this month onwards. He sent me an email the following day asking me to send him my registration number, which I only replied to yesterday (dooh). So he should be getting back to me shortly (unless he's on holidays), but I was just impatient to clarify a point about the software. The only thing is that my trial version is expired and I therefore can't access the manual + I don't have the URL anymore (email deleted). That's all. If somebody had had the website's address, I could have had a look at the manual + download another trial version in case I don't hear back from him for a few days. Didn't mean to bother anyone -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] Sent: 24 August 2005 18:35 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reputer Software for Electrix Repeater + Repeater tempo question So, you've got the email address for the guy who made it, but rather than contact him you emailed Looper's Delight instead? On 8/24/05, mrweasel wrote: > Exactly > + I wasn't a registered member of the Yahoo Repeater forum, and > + registration > is not simultaneous on it. > Enjoy Zurich Claude. > Ju. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 24 18:45:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D32573BF5A; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:45:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: To: Subject: Digitech Jamman - 3 Second Minimum Loop Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:45:43 -0700 Message-ID: <021a01c5a8dc$087a4730$0400a8c0@khp1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:45:48 +0000 (UTC) Here is an interesting point about the new Digitech Jamman. Is it just me, or is this an issue? This is a correspondence with a Digitech tech. > I want to record a short (like one beat) loop. If I have not set a > tempo and I try to record a short loop, when I hit "play record" after > recording a loop, it sets up a two bar measure (it adds space to the end) even > though there is no preset tempo. I've tried this in new blank presets > and it still loops two bars. >If I record loop that are longer then a bar it seems to loop fine without >a tempo fine (when I hit "play/record" it loops immediately. >Is there a setting I'm missing? > All I want to do is record a short blip with no tempo. The Jamman has a 3 second minimum loop time to be seamless. >That's a major issue/limitation. Why is this not listed anywhere in it specs or manual. Will this ever be fixed in firmware updates? They are adding an addendum explaining this. It should get posted on our website as well soon. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 24 18:54:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 710A23BF5D; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:54:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LjPMhHXPCIyIrX34Iz4gnd53ARJCHWU3DRKrLtqQnly9ylMfUJr0ykhHxrVSzqSZV4tvokiPa8G5Lh26NFDdaH8H/RqatD37UlOjjD9Fj31cGtLOx7ermRPnkrMnltPGcrtmUBlZ8lcAvF9AruVTPoUUEzFOgHKTOx7DTgGTFS8= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 11:54:44 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman - 3 Second Minimum Loop In-Reply-To: <021a01c5a8dc$087a4730$0400a8c0@khp1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <021a01c5a8dc$087a4730$0400a8c0@khp1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:54:45 +0000 (UTC) Bummer. Every looping tool imposes certain limitations on how you can work, or how you can work easily, and these limitations become suddenly very apparent when you switch from one device to another, and discover that you might have forgotten something you were taking for granted on the old box. That said, it doesn't surprise me that a flash memory based system might have this sort of limitation. Personally, it wouldn't affect me very much, since my typical minimum loop length is between three and four seconds, but if you're used to the "snatch sample" that becomes a rhythmic base, then it's be a drag. On 8/24/05, ken@dangerlog.com wrote: > Here is an interesting point about the new Digitech Jamman. Is it just me= , > or is this an issue? >=20 > This is a correspondence with a Digitech tech. >=20 > > I want to record a short (like one beat) loop. If I have not set a > > tempo and I try to record a short loop, when I hit "play record" after > > recording a loop, it sets up a two bar measure (it adds space to the en= d) > even > > though there is no preset tempo. I've tried this in new blank presets > > and it still loops two bars. > >If I record loop that are longer then a bar it seems to loop fine withou= t > >a tempo fine (when I hit "play/record" it loops immediately. > >Is there a setting I'm missing? > > All I want to do is record a short blip with no tempo. >=20 > The Jamman has a 3 second minimum loop time to be seamless. >=20 > >That's a major issue/limitation. Why is this not listed anywhere in it > specs or manual. Will this ever be fixed in firmware updates? >=20 > They are adding an addendum explaining this. It should get posted on our > website as well soon. >=20 >=20 >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 24 18:55:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFD3C3BF5F; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:55:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jfloridis@aol.com Message-ID: <85.2e6ae604.303e1c8e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 14:55:10 EDT Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman - 3 Second Minimum Loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_85.2e6ae604.303e1c8e_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:55:17 +0000 (UTC) --part1_85.2e6ae604.303e1c8e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i think that's a pretty big issue. for someone like myself that performs often as a soloist.......i sometimes will use a simple guitar-as-percussion loop to play over, and that is sometimes a measure of "boom chicka" for lack of a better explination. beyond that it just seems like something that should have been listed in the specs. poor planning on their part, john --part1_85.2e6ae604.303e1c8e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i think that's a pretty big issue. = ; for someone like myself that performs often as a soloist.......i sometime= s will use a simple guitar-as-percussion loop to play over, and that is some= times a measure of "boom chicka" for lack of a better explination.  be= yond that it just seems like something that should have been listed in the s= pecs.  poor planning on their part,

john --part1_85.2e6ae604.303e1c8e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 24 18:58:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AB883BF6B; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:58:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:00:17 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] Digitech Jamman - 3 Second Minimum Loop In-Reply-To: <021a01c5a8dc$087a4730$0400a8c0@khp1> Message-ID: References: <021a01c5a8dc$087a4730$0400a8c0@khp1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:58:58 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, ken@dangerlog.com wrote: > Here is an interesting point about the new Digitech Jamman. Is it just me, > or is this an issue? I noticed this problem right off, and have the same problem with my Boss RC-20 LoopStation. I also like to use short blip-like loops at times, which is why I keep my Akai Headrush E1 in my signal chain for that purpose. best, Steve B Phasmatodea http://www.phasmatodea.net/ Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > > This is a correspondence with a Digitech tech. > >> I want to record a short (like one beat) loop. If I have not set a >> tempo and I try to record a short loop, when I hit "play record" after >> recording a loop, it sets up a two bar measure (it adds space to the end) > even >> though there is no preset tempo. I've tried this in new blank presets >> and it still loops two bars. >> If I record loop that are longer then a bar it seems to loop fine without >> a tempo fine (when I hit "play/record" it loops immediately. >> Is there a setting I'm missing? >> All I want to do is record a short blip with no tempo. > > The Jamman has a 3 second minimum loop time to be seamless. > >> That's a major issue/limitation. Why is this not listed anywhere in it > specs or manual. Will this ever be fixed in firmware updates? > > They are adding an addendum explaining this. It should get posted on our > website as well soon. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 24 19:14:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DB853BF6A; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:14:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jfloridis@aol.com Message-ID: <15d.57796890.303e20f8@aol.com> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:14:00 EDT Subject: one more try..the loop and nothing but the loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_15d.57796890.303e20f8_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 207 X-Spam-Flag: YES Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:14:08 +0000 (UTC) --part1_15d.57796890.303e20f8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i sent this yesterday, but i wanted to try one more time to see if anyone=20 had some feedback for me....no pun intended advice requested.... in a group setting i would like to send a "wet" or loop only signal to a=20 seperate monitor, ie., for a drummer.=A0 i own an echoplex and a boss loop s= tation.=A0=20 is there a way to do this?=A0 i do not want this seperate monitor mix to=20 include the solo or "lead" playing that i will be performing over the loop w= hich=20 would generally consist of a rhythm guitar part or muted percussion effects.= =A0 i=20 would just as soon not have two amps on stage, but i suppose that's the othe= r=20 option. i know that the boomerang has an aux out that is able to do this, but since=20= i=20 already own two worthy to excellent pieces of equipment, i would just as soo= n=20 no purchase a third.=A0 i do know of the "defected" boomerangs that are or w= ere=20 on sale. any advice is welcome, john floridis --part1_15d.57796890.303e20f8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i sent this yesterday, but i wanted to= try one more time to see if anyone had some feedback for me....no pun inten= ded


advice requested....

in a group setting i would like to send a "wet" or loop only= signal to a seperate monitor, ie., for a drummer.=A0 i own an echoplex and=20= a boss loop station.=A0 is there a way to do this?=A0 i do not want this sep= erate monitor mix to include the solo or "lead" playing that i will be perfo= rming over the loop which would generally consist of a rhythm guitar part or= muted percussion effects.=A0 i would just as soon not have two amps on stag= e, but i suppose that's the other option.

i know that the boomerang has an aux out that is able to do this, but since=20= i already own two worthy to excellent pieces of equipment, i would just as s= oon no purchase a third.=A0 i do know of the "defected" boomerangs that are=20= or were on sale.

any advice is welcome,

john floridis --part1_15d.57796890.303e20f8_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 24 19:29:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98BE33BF67; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:29:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: Digitech Jamman - 3 Second Minimum Loop Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:29:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcWo3U1qhJmFBVsjTKiY5HlcLoqH1wABIuYg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Message-Id: <20050824192943.KUOY1860.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <5nX4mB.A.rhG.xqMDDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:29:53 +0000 (UTC) Just add a Digidelay for those less than 4 second samples-- http://cgi.ebay.com/Digitech-Digidelay-Digital-Delay-Guitar-Pedal-New_W0QQit emZ7344701359QQcategoryZ41415QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem More gear, but whatever . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 24 19:42:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB1F33BF6F; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:42:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TpWNERYLequfAVl7FZdoFWBA1sU8fTTrXzISFWhBzCTFWpZ4GqquAHgBWYf8iA34JeCndsAvGmAGnun3cncBR+1cEyp3G2nYfFdCvHitwr2x5zUfEjhi6sk9wHyY+kirgjU7E/meXcPsuLi2QXNy5CZyVT0A94OieLBy/lH9tdY= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:42:41 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: one more try..the loop and nothing but the loop In-Reply-To: <15d.57796890.303e20f8@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <15d.57796890.303e20f8@aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:42:43 +0000 (UTC) You need a little mixer with two aux sends--send your instrument feed to channel one, set the looper to 100% wet, put it in the effects send, and send the return to channel two. Send channel two to your aux 2 and have that be the monitor mix for your drummer. On 8/24/05, Jfloridis@aol.com wrote: > i sent this yesterday, but i wanted to try one more time to see if anyon= e > had some feedback for me....no pun intended > =20 > =20 > advice requested.... > =20 > in a group setting i would like to send a "wet" or loop only signal to a > seperate monitor, ie., for a drummer. i own an echoplex and a boss loop > station. is there a way to do this? i do not want this seperate monitor > mix to include the solo or "lead" playing that i will be performing over = the > loop which would generally consist of a rhythm guitar part or muted > percussion effects. i would just as soon not have two amps on stage, but= i > suppose that's the other option. > =20 > i know that the boomerang has an aux out that is able to do this, but si= nce > i already own two worthy to excellent pieces of equipment, i would just a= s > soon no purchase a third. i do know of the "defected" boomerangs that ar= e > or were on sale. > =20 > any advice is welcome, > =20 > john floridis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 24 19:49:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 445F63BF76; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:49:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=huxJpIh9mIpK/P5Dvcw20m1W8XMKkQY2zMGDuV89+RxW9c4toM7eJ7oWMA5wGOdgUXU7uDaJIGyrUsPpTXub/WatozB0qCL+a0+CK+nGrp6a7SMFIEus4Ml6UKT+DzKyfpPRrZAPtZxRjsgFUpbVDQBajCYXHanNoWnvcjF7NHw= ; Message-ID: <20050824194906.71151.qmail@web30502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 12:49:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: [LOOP] Digitech Jamman - 3 Second Minimum Loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-9SLG.A.mLH.y8MDDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:49:07 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, I've been revisiting my Headrush a lot lately, although (since I haven't been using my rack) for super-short loops I've really been missing my Korg SDD-1000. -t- --- burnett@pobox.com wrote: > I noticed this problem right off, and have the same > problem with my Boss > RC-20 LoopStation. I also like to use short > blip-like loops at times, > which is why I keep my Akai Headrush E1 in my signal > chain for that purpose. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 24 20:05:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D10D33BF69; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:05:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5WK8qqlo+krxT8/bfoT5W0WF7dbNlKS7InlT2fiNdmbjiyElOzocjOi4MEE6SLtmCwFwXpll9QXnPuYU6sKbthS0TB0QlXQAYdXCMDeSCpFeuaCm3HbPdcMEPoqrjbokLk6XCS0vTWcZ3okH+TNSzA++VlvQxbtIye8ukxZFEZw= ; Message-ID: <20050824200552.31532.qmail@web30515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 13:05:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: RE: Digitech Jamman - 3 Second Minimum Loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050824192943.KUOY1860.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@Desktop2002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <7Q0GEB.A.aM.hMNDDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:05:53 +0000 (UTC) I recently replaced my beloved late-80's Boss DD-3 with a DigiDelay, and I'm not really sure I like it. Yes, it does have some extra features that the DD-3 didn't, but it's really not as usable live for me, as it requires a lot more tweaking of tiny, hard-to-see knobs. Also, its use as a looper is limited because capturing the loop requires turning a knob, rather than a stomp; for the type of looping I usually do, the time between playing the last note in a phrase and finding and turning the knob is usually not ideal for a short, seamless loop. It's good for parts that can be played with one hand, though... I'm thinking that a lot of my pedals on which the knob control is more important to me than footswitchability (EQ, certain preamps, modulation effects, etc.) might make their way up onto a stand like I had them a few years ago... -t- --- Gary Lehmann wrote: > Just add a Digidelay for those less than 4 second > samples-- ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 24 22:04:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80F403BF6E; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:04:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.200] X-Originating-Email: [jj179subs@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jj179subs@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <003901c5a80d$c3bf42e0$af704a18@carolina.rr.com> From: "jj 179" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: effects/synth/sequencer/loops=palm sized unit Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:04:48 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2005 22:04:49.0028 (UTC) FILETIME=[D85CDC40:01C5A8F7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:04:53 +0000 (UTC) That's got to be the most hilariously ignorant thing I've ever heard on this list. Thanks for the laugh. >From: "Larry" >Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >To: >Subject: Re: effects/synth/sequencer/loops=palm sized unit >Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:09:11 -0400 > > > like the oil companies silence fuel alternatives > >This analogy makes no sense. Further, it sounds like the knee jerk >reaction of a Young Communist Leaguer...The assumption implies that >capitalism is inherently bad, which is ridiculous. > >Further, if the so-called evil 'fuel companies' silence alternatives, then >how >did I ever hear about biomass, shale oil, ethanol, solar power, wind power, >hydro-power, hydrogen power and the many other alternatives available? > >Statements like yours and the underlying philosophy behind them are why >America >has been careening down the road toward a form of National Socialism for >the last >century. > >Sorry, I couldn't let that one slide... > >----- Original Message ----- > From: daniel stevenson > To: Loopers-Delight@loopersdelight.com > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 5:39 PM > Subject: effects/synth/sequencer/loops=palm sized unit > > > sup > how long do ya think it will be untill someone puts it all together in >one small package?i fear the big manufacturers dont want to make it so easy >for us.they are concerned too much with profits and selling us peice by >piece yet remain competitive.like the oil companies silence fuel >alternatives. > scary > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 24 22:49:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1716A3BF6D; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:49:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cVpna47MN5kgT7+zY36vLyimoCL5/Yy3y2Q/cbpC7PWNgZMBWb4q0ZpvXf6jepi9Zq8yGJD1yoIwk1521gF+7yMRq8hyxwMSWBrUKT9PUbN6K/izsNH889+pyHq+hoTt7ilg9NfYwaLIXAFP6pKyInPuWUmomFT3dJloyiphGCQ= Message-ID: <26ba8d1205082415493cb9ddbf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:49:43 -0400 From: Tom Ritchford Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: effects/synth/sequencer/loops=palm sized unit In-Reply-To: <003901c5a80d$c3bf42e0$af704a18@carolina.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050820213955.15109.qmail@web32501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003901c5a80d$c3bf42e0$af704a18@carolina.rr.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:49:45 +0000 (UTC) Just to clarify, "National Socialism" wasn't socialism by anyone's definition -- and was also extremely pro-business (and anti-union and anti-Communist too). So I'd certainly agree with you. The United States is moving towards "government by corporation" -- which is why your average (non-rich) person has gotten a little poorer every year since 1975. On 8/23/05, Larry wrote: > =20 > > like the oil companies silence fuel alternatives=20 > =20 > This analogy makes no sense. Further, it sounds like the knee jerk=20 > reaction of a Young Communist Leaguer...The assumption implies that =20 > capitalism is inherently bad, which is ridiculous.=20 > =20 > Further, if the so-called evil 'fuel companies' silence alternatives, the= n > how=20 > did I ever hear about biomass, shale oil, ethanol, solar power, wind powe= r,=20 > hydro-power, hydrogen power and the many other alternatives available?=20 > =20 > Statements like yours and the underlying philosophy behind them are why > America=20 > has been careening down the road toward a form of National Socialism for = the > last=20 > century.=20 > =20 > Sorry, I couldn't let that one slide... > =20 > =20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > =20 > From: daniel stevenson=20 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopersdelight.com=20 > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 5:39 PM=20 > Subject: effects/synth/sequencer/loops=3Dpalm sized unit=20 >=20 > =20 > sup=20 > how long do ya think it will be untill someone puts it all together in on= e > small package?i fear the big manufacturers dont want to make it so easy f= or > us.they are concerned too much with profits and selling us peice by piece > yet remain competitive.like the oil companies silence fuel alternatives.= =20 > scary=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page=20 >=20 > =20 --=20 /t http://ax.to ... extreme NY arts and music calendar From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 24 23:31:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDB233BF72; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 23:31:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:32:09 -0800 Subject: OHH TEE!!!Re: effects/synth/sequencer/loops=palm sized unit From: To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <26ba8d1205082415493cb9ddbf@mail.gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 23:31:54 +0000 (UTC) please preface these posts with "o t " so some of us loop junkees dont have to wade thru the drivel... thanks staninsanfran > Just to clarify, "National Socialism" wasn't socialism by anyone's > definition -- and was also extremely pro-business (and anti-union and > anti-Communist too). > > So I'd certainly agree with you. The United States is moving towards > "government by corporation" -- which is why your average (non-rich) > person has gotten a little poorer every year since 1975. > > On 8/23/05, Larry wrote: >> >>> like the oil companies silence fuel alternatives >> >> This analogy makes no sense. Further, it sounds like the knee jerk >> reaction of a Young Communist Leaguer...The assumption implies that >> capitalism is inherently bad, which is ridiculous. >> >> Further, if the so-called evil 'fuel companies' silence alternatives, then >> how >> did I ever hear about biomass, shale oil, ethanol, solar power, wind power, >> hydro-power, hydrogen power and the many other alternatives available? >> >> Statements like yours and the underlying philosophy behind them are why >> America >> has been careening down the road toward a form of National Socialism for the >> last >> century. >> >> Sorry, I couldn't let that one slide... >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: daniel stevenson >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopersdelight.com >> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 5:39 PM >> Subject: effects/synth/sequencer/loops=palm sized unit >> >> >> sup >> how long do ya think it will be untill someone puts it all together in one >> small package?i fear the big manufacturers dont want to make it so easy for >> us.they are concerned too much with profits and selling us peice by piece >> yet remain competitive.like the oil companies silence fuel alternatives. >> scary >> >> ________________________________ >> Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 25 02:26:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7C8D3BF60; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 02:26:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=TOL3Xc2jsS6P78hSF/xykbIXjnYZT+6pGCLOPnGph6GXAfZS4LyqXYmR6lv/wO2W7y2AVMrgiweKi2YBsqnoRsxhHmdhgs8eTV+5QPNrbhKrggYJ4kGhDSXMp+0A0H7T4rZzTkVA4lbnRwmV8837wHsN4sQO/xygJlfBN6zJI90= ; Message-ID: <20050825022655.88845.qmail@web32507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 19:26:55 -0700 (PDT) From: daniel stevenson Subject: Re: effects/synth/sequencer/loops=palm sized unit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-79292483-1124936815=:87505" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 02:26:57 +0000 (UTC) --0-79292483-1124936815=:87505 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit think about the stuff you will never learn about( :^) Travis Hartnett wrote:Yeah, but what's this Godwin's Law thing I've heard so much about? On 8/23/05, Larry wrote: > > > like the oil companies silence fuel alternatives > > This analogy makes no sense. Further, it sounds like the knee jerk > reaction of a Young Communist Leaguer...The assumption implies that > capitalism is inherently bad, which is ridiculous. > > Further, if the so-called evil 'fuel companies' silence alternatives, then > how > did I ever hear about biomass, shale oil, ethanol, solar power, wind power, > hydro-power, hydrogen power and the many other alternatives available? > > Statements like yours and the underlying philosophy behind them are why > America > has been careening down the road toward a form of National Socialism for the > last > century. > > Sorry, I couldn't let that one slide... > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-79292483-1124936815=:87505 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
think about the stuff you will never learn about( :^)

Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah, but what's this Godwin's Law thing I've heard so much about?



On 8/23/05, Larry wrote:
>
> > like the oil companies silence fuel alternatives
>
> This analogy makes no sense. Further, it sounds like the knee jerk
> reaction of a Young Communist Leaguer...The assumption implies that
> capitalism is inherently bad, which is ridiculous.
>
> Further, if the so-called evil 'fuel companies' silence alternatives, then
> how
> did I ever hear about biomass, shale oil, ethanol, solar power, wind power,
> hydro-power, hydrogen power and the many other alternatives available?
>
> Statements like yours and the underlying philosophy behind them are why
> America
> has been careening down the road toward a form of National Socialism for the
> last
> century.
>
> Sorry, I couldn't let that one slide...
>

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http://mail.yahoo.com --0-79292483-1124936815=:87505-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 25 03:07:38 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 173C23BF70; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 03:07:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: DigiDelay (was Digitech Jamman - 3 Second Minimum Loop) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:07:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20050824200552.31532.qmail@web30515.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcWo5z3wVonsSH9JQSi3LuTMrwRDKQAOlbSg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Message-Id: <20050825030734.LZZD16890.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: <1_qGR.A.4P.5XTDDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 03:07:38 +0000 (UTC) The Digidelay has a loop mode where you stomp to begin recording, release to end. Of course you can't change the pitch or feedback, but you can do really short loops. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Tim Nelson I recently replaced my beloved late-80's Boss DD-3 with a DigiDelay, its use as a looper is limited because capturing the loop requires turning a knob, rather than a stomp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 25 09:29:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 681FB3BF72; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:29:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=GmcUKM0B5tNX5onUrhfbAYJNdD7DSkRvbzMbGHSv9OmOtJaCetT1fV86anjvLDTLXZ56LMPgPv8MsbooyC4YjFslPhG+IiqVyKiG3XPKSWEdt4WXi5xMN1tlWZN7pQSux13lsBEzgIjd+qVEztsviP6e8OQgaB3VkdXYyWvNnFU= ; Message-ID: <20050825092913.96352.qmail@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 02:29:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: DigiDelay (was Digitech Jamman - 3 Second Minimum Loop) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050825030734.LZZD16890.fed1rmmtao08.cox.net@Desktop2002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:29:15 +0000 (UTC) According to the manual, that's mode 7. It's supposed to work just like you described, and also has overdub capability within the 4 second max. loop. Unfortunately, my mode 7 has never worked as described. (I bought it used with no literature. Everything else on the unit works perfectly.) I've occasionally looped with the delay modes, as a full clockwise turn engages repeat-hold. -t- --- Gary Lehmann wrote: > The Digidelay has a loop mode where you stomp to > begin recording, release to > end. > Of course you can't change the pitch or feedback, > but you can do really > short loops. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 25 12:12:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E43383BF73; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:12:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [64.4.56.202] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20050824154018.9F2833BF36@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Reputer Software for Electrix Repeater + Repeater tempo question Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:12:53 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2005 12:12:53.0507 (UTC) FILETIME=[51E02D30:01C5A96E] Resent-Message-ID: <78Qoo.A.kR.GXbDDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:12:54 +0000 (UTC) >Also, I have a question for Repeater users. When you make a loop in user >mode at, saying a 120 BPM tempo, without paying attention to the actual >tempo (so let's say what you play is actually at 90BPM), is there any way >to >modify the tempo setting afterwards without accelerating or slowing the >loop. yes - press the sync button as you have been doing and tweak the tempo knob to set the correct number of beats for the loop. i think the loop knob changes the time sig, if memory serves.. if you played the loop in time with the mpc, then once you've adjusted the number of beats, the tempo should be spot on, or very close (depending on how accurate you were with your loop points. you could then trim it to try and match the tempo exactly (tricky), or just go with it - 0.1 or 0.2 bpm difference won't have an impact on sound quality when the loop is synced with the mpc - assuming you're syncing via midi clock (in which case the tempo will be correct from the start, won't it?) hope that helps sim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 25 12:48:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 789223BF76; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:48:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.54.174.209] X-Originating-Email: [andrewspackman@hotmail.com] X-Sender: andrewspackman@hotmail.com From: "andrew spackman" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Live sampling - what set ups could I use Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:48:02 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2005 12:48:02.0574 (UTC) FILETIME=[3AFA42E0:01C5A973] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 12:48:07 +0000 (UTC) hello I've been making live music using loopers/ samplers for quite a few years. (eg. Cintronic RS32, Zoom GFX707, Roland MS1). However, I'm getting together a new set up and was keen to get feedback. Currently I use a DJ deck (pioneer CDJ800), effects (Roland EF303) and a PVDJ Grabber (very unreliable, keeps crashing, can't control recording length). I'm looking for a new sampler to throw live bits into from the deck to build up improvised music on the fly. I'm thinking of a MPC100 but not sure what their like. Can you throw in bits, and imediately run as loops? How many loops can be going at once? Are they set to a bpm? What effects can be applied live, without stopping the sound? Lots of questions, but any suggestions would be most welcome. Andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 25 13:45:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DA503BF77; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:45:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=mrq2fzejJl0W900SMTNAI7S1zoJ9PK+pYSDjtUSxoaTZZ86VXSQq5dBn5WUhuqPBivNZGn6nQoonh6djNbC5JMmef76EumFbBH837YMd7H4cbIWATfWrw0VVpTAjpmIhGVAz3XbhaWIfcGwbXZhq4QdjM6kWEl47n37nO6M22gY= ; Message-ID: <00b901c5a97b$4200d6f0$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: Subject: Re: Live sampling - what set ups could I use Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:10:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:45:35 +0000 (UTC) Hello you may have a look at the new Roland/Boss SP404. It's an upgrade of the 303 I had. > I'm looking for a new sampler to throw live bits into from the deck to > build up improvised music on the fly. I'm thinking of a MPC100 but not > sure what their like. Can you throw in bits, and imediately run as loops? Yes, and use the tap tempo to have a perfect loop at this tempo. However you can't "overdub" without stopping first. > How many loops can be going at once? The polyphony is 12. and you have 10 or 12 banks of 12pads directly accessible + other you can load from a backup card (up to 1 giga CF). >Are they set to a bpm? Yes and you have clock synchro (and start stop) and a -crude- timestretching. >What effects can be applied live, without stopping the sound? 29 effects (one at a time, you can choose which pads go thru the effect) with 3 control knob. > > Lots of questions, but any suggestions would be most welcome. You are welcome. street price 400$. Check the demo on sonicstate, harmony-central or Rolandus.com. Ben ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 25 15:14:02 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD5463BF6D; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:14:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MKNG1OCbUffFmoq/GCRTJDdeKoiNLQKjJ+Y+9v/W+wLB0tz4fvZ4TqUbbIt4WjxdGW7u/wD9HGk6FFwHNUGklXNMAjPy/1GKgvet3YyU2v6nvOLLcas7oTedfpHqe6FXfRrgcuZ0zH0jDnU8pXdYBSW73zDcrMfyLK/t6r7DOcY= ; Message-ID: <20050825151401.88315.qmail@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 08:14:01 -0700 (PDT) From: grw20022 Subject: Re: Live sampling - what set ups could I use To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1223539364-1124982841=:88248" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:14:02 +0000 (UTC) --0-1223539364-1124982841=:88248 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit check out the Boss SP-303 DR sampler..it holds 9 pads you can play all at one time, in loops..Gerry andrew spackman wrote:hello I've been making live music using loopers/ samplers for quite a few years. (eg. Cintronic RS32, Zoom GFX707, Roland MS1). However, I'm getting together a new set up and was keen to get feedback. Currently I use a DJ deck (pioneer CDJ800), effects (Roland EF303) and a PVDJ Grabber (very unreliable, keeps crashing, can't control recording length). I'm looking for a new sampler to throw live bits into from the deck to build up improvised music on the fly. I'm thinking of a MPC100 but not sure what their like. Can you throw in bits, and imediately run as loops? How many loops can be going at once? Are they set to a bpm? What effects can be applied live, without stopping the sound? Lots of questions, but any suggestions would be most welcome. Andy --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-1223539364-1124982841=:88248 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

check out the Boss SP-303 DR sampler..it holds 9 pads you can play all at one time, in loops..Gerry

andrew spackman <andrewspackman@hotmail.com> wrote:
hello
I've been making live music using loopers/ samplers for quite a few years.
(eg. Cintronic RS32, Zoom GFX707, Roland MS1). However, I'm getting together
a new set up and was keen to get feedback.

Currently I use a DJ deck (pioneer CDJ800), effects (Roland EF303) and a
PVDJ Grabber (very unreliable, keeps crashing, can't control recording
length).

I'm looking for a new sampler to throw live bits into from the deck to build
up improvised music on the fly. I'm thinking of a MPC100 but not sure what
their like. Can you throw in bits, and imediately run as loops? How many
loops can be going at once? Are they set to a bpm? What effects can be
applied live, without stopping the sound?

Lots of questions, but any suggestions would be most welcome.

Andy


Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-1223539364-1124982841=:88248-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 25 15:59:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 522783BF75; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:59:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: 116 of my MP3s Streaming Now! Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:59:54 -0600 Message-ID: <011401c5a98e$08cc15d0$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.772000 Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 139, in=404, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:59:58 +0000 (UTC) Hello all - To use up my streaming ShoutCast bandwidth for the month, I've just opened up a stream that is cycling through 116 of my live and studio MP3s. I'll let it go until the bandwidth runs out...could be several hours. http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen") Cheers, Krispen Hartung Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 Subscribe to email list: krispenhartung-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Performance Calendar: http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartu ng From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 25 18:45:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F3E53BF83; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:45:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=51HqJTwlBOrrMS+AerRzlytLqJhmJNN3WIkEiTev01YclGz53iGSHvG86xsFi7ZQuXdS+AK+2bxMuWoVMSCzcfZU8CStXqZqcPkjsMZ1YxxrFy8KL0cxDOlbl7WKKviDMPmfQzosuzuAVjDasFwmC5+vfNSlxs15dUqfubu712c= ; Message-ID: <20050825184514.91524.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:45:14 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: Live sampling - what set ups could I use To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050825151401.88315.qmail@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:45:17 +0000 (UTC) I say do it with software if you can. I used to love this software back in the day: http://www.steim.org/steim/lisa.html gotta have a Mac though. Mark ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 25 20:32:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 644083BF85; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:32:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Qt6+mBd1qWUS3gfPOkwJQqfJKrUj4x/+KcKwfpQLylxSJiBdYA1jlmgz5S76gGUGOV/O1OICwTveb9Mu5Z8BG/44fdoPKnAJTWo56IzgA1KgdRyp2Yt1/i8XQU6+oUXa4c07BNVKeH3+GfcuFRI/wGhbEFeENRemU43DUYuCVEE= ; Message-ID: <20050825203205.624.qmail@web30510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:32:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: DigiDelay (was Digitech Jamman - 3 Second Minimum Loop) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050825092913.96352.qmail@web30505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:32:09 +0000 (UTC) After I posted this at 5:30 this morning, I thought about it some more on my way to work. Here's the rest of the story: A friend of mine also has a DigiDelay; he bought his new about three years ago, while I bought mine used last spring. After messing around with mine for a couple of days (before downloading the manual), I mentioned to him that I didn't think the looper features were all they were cracked up to be, to which he readily agreed. The next time I was at his house, I checked his DigiDelay out, and found that his worked exactly the same as mine. We figured that the looper feature was just thrown in as a buzzword afterthought. Since we both use other gear for looping and both use the DigiDelay as a delay, neither of us was all that bothered by it. But now this thread has me wondering: could it be that he and I both have units with the exact same defect? And if so, is this something they're prone to? Do any of you own DigiDelays that work the way Gary (and the manual) describe the looping features? -t- --- Tim Nelson wrote: > According to the manual, that's mode 7. It's > supposed > to work just like you described, and also has > overdub > capability within the 4 second max. loop. > > > > Unfortunately, my mode 7 has never worked as > described. (I bought it used with no literature. > Everything else on the unit works perfectly.) > > I've occasionally looped with the delay modes, as a > full clockwise turn engages repeat-hold. > > -t- > > --- Gary Lehmann wrote: > > > The Digidelay has a loop mode where you stomp to > > begin recording, release to > > end. ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 25 21:14:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BB413BF8C; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:14:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: flexible looper in small package Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:15:26 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c5a9ba$1d8fed30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:14:09 +0000 (UTC) Reading through all the posts regarding stompbox loopers, I seem to have made a horrible discovery: There is no looper in a small package that offers both halfspeed and reverse. The smallest thing I can think about is the DL4, but that's already a little too big for my taste. The Boss twin pedals are a little bit smaller, but they don't offer halfspeed. The Jamman is even smaller, but is offers neither halfspeed nor reverse...the same is true for the Headrush (both generations), but at least it has a decent size. I sometimes wonder: what are these product managers thinking? I don't want to come to a gig with six hours worth of prerecorded loops which I will then play back exactly as recorded in the studio. If I wanted to do that, I'd bring a PDA. I'd like to do strange things. These things are sold as effects - look up the meaning of this word in the dictionary if you're unsure what they're supposed to do. (sorry for the rant...going back to normal). So it seems in my quest for a relatively small-sized pedal board, I'm either forced to use a DL4 (meaning big size), or to live without reverse and/or halfspeed. I guess I'll just go with the DL4 then...lots of LDers and several other cool people (latest spotting: The Mars Volta) can't err... Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 25 21:48:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76C333BF8E; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:48:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=kEPO/HT0dkfnih8lqXyYSMrHyV8mQBp7hzZttGbwk72sdtANWNULUuEbS9l8HRuDQm1CXsiqS+uBcK6dvTovrIACTIe2BGOnv/eDwNislAfHjt3r4Pukw02sEkhPF478U6EjVe8mNJYv9sQNFlSK63s97R574Wrxz3s9WCIDa+8= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:48:55 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package In-Reply-To: <000001c5a9ba$1d8fed30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000001c5a9ba$1d8fed30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:48:58 +0000 (UTC) The smaller the pedal, the less space you have for controls. Even the DL-4 makes one switch do double duty for reverse and halfspeed. I can't imagine a desirable looper with fewer than three foot switches, so you're looking at something roughly the size of a Loop Station for starters. I've seen very little evidence that there's been much research on the part of manufacturers as to what makes a great looper (and what makes a frustrating one). For a looper with any prior experience just reading the manual for most of these boxes, there always seems to be at least one feature that immediately jumps out as being missing or horribly implemented (variable feedback level and record-straight-into-overdub being two of the usual culprits). On 8/25/05, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Reading through all the posts regarding stompbox loopers, I seem to have > made a horrible discovery: >=20 > There is no looper in a small package that offers both halfspeed and > reverse. The smallest thing I can think about is the DL4, but that's > already a little too big for my taste. The Boss twin pedals are a little > bit smaller, but they don't offer halfspeed. The Jamman is even smaller, > but is offers neither halfspeed nor reverse...the same is true for the > Headrush (both generations), but at least it has a decent size. >=20 > I sometimes wonder: what are these product managers thinking? I don't > want to come to a gig with six hours worth of prerecorded loops which I > will then play back exactly as recorded in the studio. If I wanted to do > that, I'd bring a PDA. I'd like to do strange things. These things are > sold as effects - look up the meaning of this word in the dictionary if > you're unsure what they're supposed to do. >=20 > (sorry for the rant...going back to normal). >=20 > So it seems in my quest for a relatively small-sized pedal board, I'm > either forced to use a DL4 (meaning big size), or to live without > reverse and/or halfspeed. I guess I'll just go with the DL4 then...lots > of LDers and several other cool people (latest spotting: The Mars Volta) > can't err... >=20 > Rainer >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 25 21:53:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06C2C3BF8C; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:53:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: , Subject: RE: Shoutcast Streams Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:53:04 -0600 Message-ID: <011c01c5a9bf$5f2587f0$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-reply-to: <1380.146.115.57.77.1125004932.squirrel@146.115.57.77> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 138, in=417, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:53:14 +0000 (UTC) Hi Philip - I'm going to copy the group on this, because others might have your same question. Actually, it was much easier than I thought. There only two bits of software required: Winamp and a plugin for winamp that connects you to the Shoutcast server...that's it. It takes about 1 minute to plug in the IP address, port #, and some other info into the winamp plugin, connect to the server, and it streams anything you have coming into your line/mic in or just music you have playing from your hard-drive. Two steps to get it going: 1) Download winamp and the plugin Wimamp: http://www.shoutcast.com/download/broadcast.phtml#download Plugin: http://www.shoutcast.com/downloads/shoutcast-dsp-1-8-2b-windows.exe 2) Purchase server bandwidth http://shoutcast.serverroom.us/ I went with the $11.99 US a month option, which allows me to stream 30 GIG of traffic a month. If you stream at 64kbps, you can do the math on how much music you can stream. If you had 30 listeners (the max number of simultaneous listeners with the above package), and they all listened for an hour, that would be 64kbps X 60 X 30 = 115,200 kbps streamed in that hour...roughly 1 / 260th of your monthly bandwidth. I hope I did that right! :) 30 GIG is 30,000 MB, is 30,000,000 KB, divided by 115,200 is roughly 260. Good grief, that is 260 hours, right? No wonder my bandwidth counter hasn't move much after streaming two perforformance all all day today! Roughly 10 days of streaming. What I haven't determined is if streaming in stereo is really 64 X 2 kbps, which would be 5 days of solid streaming. Kris -----Original Message----- From: philip@repeatpeak.com [mailto:philip@repeatpeak.com] Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 3:22 PM To: info@krispenhartung.com Subject: Shoutcast Streams Hi Krispen, I'm a long time LD reader of the archives. A while ago I became interested in live streaming of performances and when you brought up the thread on LD I was excited to see that you got it to work! Listening to your beautiful music right now :) As the thread on LD didn't really explain what needs to be done to get Shoutcast to work and the documentation on the Shoutcast site is a bit nebulous, would you mind giving me a brief description of what software you use for the (live) streaming and how you set up Shoutcast (Doesn't have to be super detailed). If you learned from online documents, I'd be glad if you could point me to those. Do you have to pay for the Shoutcast server? Which software do you use for *live* streaming of a performance? Thanks for any info! Philip ____________________________________________ www.spiral7.com :: ambient world jazz www.repeatpeak.com :: electronica www.vectorspin.com :: Graphic & Web Design ____________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 25 21:57:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C009F3BF8A; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:57:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: flexible looper in small package Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:57:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcWpvsvrYrejUNjmRZutqTuAh7sA4gAAKWbA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20050825215730.5D0963BF80@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:57:31 +0000 (UTC) I agree. If you want to minimize floorspace, you're best to find the midi pedal to meet your needs (anything from midimouse to ground control) and put the loop device(s) in a rack away from the beer getting tossed around. Just my opinion. Just getting a 2 space rack with give you room for a looper and your cables, songlist, mic bag, ... -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 5:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package The smaller the pedal, the less space you have for controls. Even the DL-4 makes one switch do double duty for reverse and halfspeed. I can't imagine a desirable looper with fewer than three foot switches, so you're looking at something roughly the size of a Loop Station for starters. I've seen very little evidence that there's been much research on the part of manufacturers as to what makes a great looper (and what makes a frustrating one). For a looper with any prior experience just reading the manual for most of these boxes, there always seems to be at least one feature that immediately jumps out as being missing or horribly implemented (variable feedback level and record-straight-into-overdub being two of the usual culprits). On 8/25/05, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Reading through all the posts regarding stompbox loopers, I seem to have > made a horrible discovery: > > There is no looper in a small package that offers both halfspeed and > reverse. The smallest thing I can think about is the DL4, but that's > already a little too big for my taste. The Boss twin pedals are a little > bit smaller, but they don't offer halfspeed. The Jamman is even smaller, > but is offers neither halfspeed nor reverse...the same is true for the > Headrush (both generations), but at least it has a decent size. > > I sometimes wonder: what are these product managers thinking? I don't > want to come to a gig with six hours worth of prerecorded loops which I > will then play back exactly as recorded in the studio. If I wanted to do > that, I'd bring a PDA. I'd like to do strange things. These things are > sold as effects - look up the meaning of this word in the dictionary if > you're unsure what they're supposed to do. > > (sorry for the rant...going back to normal). > > So it seems in my quest for a relatively small-sized pedal board, I'm > either forced to use a DL4 (meaning big size), or to live without > reverse and/or halfspeed. I guess I'll just go with the DL4 then...lots > of LDers and several other cool people (latest spotting: The Mars Volta) > can't err... > > Rainer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 25 22:05:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A23A3BF98; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:05:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=em7Oe/gQuKPTnRnzY04xOYFh9ZcaJTLZ+eZal3mDS/X4Fqzj1MY3P3ggvoS3OYqKlNbuULvWxHyj/0NcVoJLs4XCg5ZhtS1YpXaClp/F39yLa7t+Cy4sQ0dN6ZaTSQpFTFW4uqDXj5IOHaO/MnN6/djAQ3bODoF2A86s5zAHiZs= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:05:13 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package In-Reply-To: <20050825215730.5D0963BF80@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050825215730.5D0963BF80@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:05:14 +0000 (UTC) You run into another problem though where the smallest full-featured MIDI controller is the not-so-small Behringer, and none of the less expensive loopers speak MIDI... On 8/25/05, Bill Edmondson wrote: > I agree. If you want to minimize floorspace, you're best to find the midi > pedal to meet your needs (anything from midimouse to ground control) and = put > the loop device(s) in a rack away from the beer getting tossed around. Ju= st > my opinion. Just getting a 2 space rack with give you room for a looper a= nd > your cables, songlist, mic bag, ... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 25 22:08:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE12D3BF9F; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:08:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VuazPSBYoTVohkTe65bP9sXKkiQsEzk14l+EQYZUiN7y4OZWU5N0ACT7tLVvQZAVwps/DzgJRKqEd9MeBAzBxu2KQUO/AV5aVwQgzHpstL0uemQg/RVZZnIcDuzsr+akird/HvdlkcwITH7ZYcuPZ4gF+ondcNxljTUTlRMQUh0= ; Message-ID: <20050825220806.27625.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:08:06 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package To: Looper's Delight Mailing List In-Reply-To: <000001c5a9ba$1d8fed30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-TbPq.A.7UG.GFkDDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:08:06 +0000 (UTC) Well, I think part of the issue is that you're not taking account interface size. Sure they might be able to make a DL4 a bit smaller, but would it be useable at that point? (think of someone on stage wearing doc martians) Constructed well? I think of the Korg walkman sized boxes. Kind of cool, but also fairly useless on stage... you end up with something like a cellphone that's almost too hard to use due to it's size. Don't get me wrong. I dream of the all in one looper/effect box that will do it all and be the size of a Behringer FCP1010... but any smaller? Would I be able to easily use it? Mark --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Reading through all the posts regarding stompbox > loopers, I seem to have > made a horrible discovery: > > There is no looper in a small package that offers > both halfspeed and > reverse. The smallest thing I can think about is the > DL4, but that's > already a little too big for my taste. The Boss twin > pedals are a little > bit smaller, but they don't offer halfspeed. The > Jamman is even smaller, > but is offers neither halfspeed nor reverse...the > same is true for the > Headrush (both generations), but at least it has a > decent size. > > I sometimes wonder: what are these product managers > thinking? I don't > want to come to a gig with six hours worth of > prerecorded loops which I > will then play back exactly as recorded in the > studio. If I wanted to do > that, I'd bring a PDA. I'd like to do strange > things. These things are > sold as effects - look up the meaning of this word > in the dictionary if > you're unsure what they're supposed to do. > > (sorry for the rant...going back to normal). > > So it seems in my quest for a relatively small-sized > pedal board, I'm > either forced to use a DL4 (meaning big size), or to > live without > reverse and/or halfspeed. I guess I'll just go with > the DL4 then...lots > of LDers and several other cool people (latest > spotting: The Mars Volta) > can't err... > > Rainer > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 25 22:12:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 861813BF9D; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:12:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: flexible looper in small package Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:12:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcWpwRJBPXNQnWzITPum79DxKCn7dgAAJbXg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20050825221217.23CC03BF99@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <56_Qy.A.sgG.BJkDDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:12:17 +0000 (UTC) Point taken. The original post made no mention of expense. Still, an original 32 second jamman, for example would be under $400. the right choice depends on the budget and the requirements. -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 6:05 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package You run into another problem though where the smallest full-featured MIDI controller is the not-so-small Behringer, and none of the less expensive loopers speak MIDI... On 8/25/05, Bill Edmondson wrote: > I agree. If you want to minimize floorspace, you're best to find the midi > pedal to meet your needs (anything from midimouse to ground control) and put > the loop device(s) in a rack away from the beer getting tossed around. Just > my opinion. Just getting a 2 space rack with give you room for a looper and > your cables, songlist, mic bag, ... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 25 22:18:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 160673BFA4; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:18:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jdC5BF+q5bbsZQnS0iaYrhGAsoA/lpZU0b5gz4E01F+geiD+EnNzR88P+rJCR3nfqEhpmVE5uuG4nPshk+uglKS/C72vlbRMp8WueY2dasaJDCz1apHEPv+hTJfNlzR5F5T7oAwA6PEo56smvFqOTgPZ8jzZXhNAbIE6GzEIb04= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:18:04 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package In-Reply-To: <20050825221217.23CC03BF99@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050825221217.23CC03BF99@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:18:06 +0000 (UTC) However, the original post did make mention of having both halfspeed and reverse available, and I believe the original JamMan doesn't do halfspeed. On 8/25/05, Bill Edmondson wrote: > Point taken. The original post made no mention of expense. Still, an > original 32 second jamman, for example would be under $400. the right cho= ice > depends on the budget and the requirements. >=20 > -----Original Message----- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 25 22:18:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 661393BFA8; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:18:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,141,1122868800"; d="scan'208"; a="1502650769:sNHT14965860" Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:18:11 -0500 From: Kelly Coyle To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: <20050825171811.813558.25099d08@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <20050825220806.27625.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050825220806.27625.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package Mime-Version: 1.0 (GMessage framework 1.3.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: GyazMail version 1.3.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:18:13 +0000 (UTC) The Boomerang and the EDP non-MIDI floor controller aren't really all that big. A Jammman with all four momentary switches isn't as large, floor space wise, as the DL-4. The Boomerang, especially, in pictures looks bigger than it is when you get it out. On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:08:06 -0700 (PDT), mark sottilaro wrote: > Well, I think part of the issue is that you're not > taking account interface size. Sure they might be > able to make a DL4 a bit smaller, but would it be > useable at that point? (think of someone on stage > wearing doc martians) Constructed well? > > I think of the Korg walkman sized boxes. Kind of > cool, but also fairly useless on stage... you end up > with something like a cellphone that's almost too hard > to use due to it's size. > > Don't get me wrong. I dream of the all in one > looper/effect box that will do it all and be the size > of a Behringer FCP1010... but any smaller? Would I be > able to easily use it? > > Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Aug 25 22:23:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 865753BFAA; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:23:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uZKt7pzjaAE6Eb+0Thn013awdPsmv/DOz6gbWZ5krgafEIeu0RNnDU3rkJ8jgyVmktLsWgsJokZ/qmjaIv4LDf5xslIhkB+4xT0AiEw5wcmho8Z3Vj4rvnB/3jiJ5E63AeSP4JK4LAvXdpXrw5taXvHZ2xZzTFYSU8q+3Ke0pvM= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 15:23:06 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package In-Reply-To: <20050825171811.813558.25099d08@charter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050825220806.27625.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> <20050825171811.813558.25099d08@charter.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:23:07 +0000 (UTC) Neither the Boomerang nor the EDP controller are all that big, but they're certainly bigger than the too-large DL-4 in the first post.=20 Plus, most looping musicians already have a full pedalboard before they add in their looping controls, so floorspace is often at a premium. On 8/25/05, Kelly Coyle wrote: > The Boomerang and the EDP non-MIDI floor controller aren't really all > that big. A Jammman with all four momentary switches isn't as large, > floor space wise, as the DL-4. The Boomerang, especially, in pictures > looks bigger than it is when you get it out. >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 26 01:11:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4E613BFA4; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 01:11:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.54.175.206] X-Originating-Email: [jondrums@hotmail.com] X-Sender: jondrums@hotmail.com From: "jondrums" To: References: <20050825220806.27625.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:11:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Aug 2005 01:11:57.0084 (UTC) FILETIME=[2737FDC0:01C5A9DB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 01:11:58 +0000 (UTC) > Well, I think part of the issue is that you're not > taking account interface size. Sure they might be > able to make a DL4 a bit smaller, but would it be > useable at that point? (think of someone on stage > wearing doc martians) Constructed well? Haven't posted in a while, but while reading this thread I suddenly got the idea for a way to fit four stompbox switches on a very small width pedal. Anyone know if there's any pedals out there that can do this successfully? Imagine a pedal which has a raised portion in the middle of it with two stomp switches mounted on it about 2" apart side to side. Then on the lower portions to either side of this raised middle are two more stomp switches. If the raised portion was higher than the height of a stomp switch on the lowered sides, you could probably get to the top two switches without any danger of hitting the side ones. (you'd have to use the side of your shoe so as to not hit the other raised switch). Likewise you should be able to hit the lowered ones on either side without any danger of getting the raised ones by mistake... Whadayatink? can we make an alien modded DL4 fit in a tiny box like this? Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 26 01:23:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 630B83BFA7; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 01:23:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.54.229.220] X-Originating-Email: [blackface@hotmail.co.uk] X-Sender: blackface@hotmail.co.uk In-Reply-To: <20050825203205.624.qmail@web30510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: "phill wilson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DigiDelay (was Digitech Jamman - 3 Second Minimum Loop) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 01:23:42 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Aug 2005 01:23:42.0829 (UTC) FILETIME=[CBE021D0:01C5A9DC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 01:23:44 +0000 (UTC) >Do any of you own DigiDelays that work the way Gary >(and the manual) describe the looping features? I have one and the LD archives will attest to me singing its praises many a time. I have been using it for just the sort of glitch tricks that where described at the start of the thread. I like its sustain-pedal action, lets me get short loops. also I like the fact that four seconds is about perfect to make a one measure beat section , I then record this plus my riff or whatever on the DL4, a poor mans multiply if you will (if your gonna do this BTW end with button two so the DL4 goes into play rather then direct to record otherwise unless your dead on you endup with a doubling effect. ...unless you like that) in what way does it not work for you , sound quality? = I do get a light buzz added to the mix but nothing you couldnt deal with live and much better then my dd3 action? I didnt like the release-to-play idea at furst, but its just a new way to work, after a little while its pretty good. Loopyness???= err I mean how the loop works ie no fade out only overdubs, I know if you where to use this as a main looper, you would top out at a wall of sound pretty quick, but you gotta compare like for like and to be honest this blows the DD-3 5 and 6 away for the overdub action alone (think of it as a free gift) and like you say, theres also a loop capability with differant attributes (and flaws) in the normal delay mode. and NO I still dont work for digitech ad dept (althought I could, if anyone is intrested in employing me!!) Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface) Free Downloads at www.download.com/therealblackface _________________________________________________________________ Winks & nudges are here - download MSN Messenger 7.0 today! http://messenger.msn.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 26 01:24:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E10C53BF97; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 01:24:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=WKuQ9JTvIcuTVDxVVIVNBj/l8oaw6RpF+HpwXu26Xma7OptjJR0+V0HyTYH3jPAjYvrEGBMheaat7tRZH3ET2ynTTEO3jMhMvwCuvsQkUrPsQqSvDcV/kKKdjpwR8QOUhj92yjWDVQIjOg+eFN3hXJt0yGBK+3e0XNWwp7HJ56g= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:24:57 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050825220806.27625.qmail@web81304.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 01:24:59 +0000 (UTC) One can put four switches in a much smaller package than the Line6 package, but a lot of people would find it too tight for comfortable use. If you were going to make one of these you'd have to crack open a DL-4 and see how big the guts are. I wouldn't be surprised if the circuit board is roughly as wide as the knob row. On 8/25/05, jondrums wrote: > Haven't posted in a while, but while reading this thread I suddenly got t= he > idea for a way to fit four stompbox switches on a very small width pedal. > Anyone know if there's any pedals out there that can do this successfull= y? >=20 > Imagine a pedal which has a raised portion in the middle of it with two > stomp switches mounted on it about 2" apart side to side. Then on the lo= wer > portions to either side of this raised middle are two more stomp switches= . > If the raised portion was higher than the height of a stomp switch on the > lowered sides, you could probably get to the top two switches without any > danger of hitting the side ones. (you'd have to use the side of your sho= e > so as to not hit the other raised switch). Likewise you should be able = to > hit the lowered ones on either side without any danger of getting the rai= sed > ones by mistake... >=20 > Whadayatink? can we make an alien modded DL4 fit in a tiny box like this? >=20 > Jon >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 26 01:58:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D0A63BFA2; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 01:58:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=AUCK0cGD8tNySiPHkyKU6ApoQLk+VNEavQuYwVe26420hzTTLs/KuU+naqCVcPWc; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <410-2200585262644230@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: mungenast@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.1.47.0 (Windows) From: "Timothy Mungenast" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: DigiDelay (was Digitech Jamman - 3 Second Minimum Loop) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:06:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-ELNK-Trace: 18550e87abb0b622fa3f6473f66ab73a7e972de0d01da94064262226cc6ed6bd1b3e6e550a28c6d9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 64.91.165.153 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 01:58:49 +0000 (UTC) I still love my 4-sec Digitech DFX-94, partly becasue I can just twist a knob and alter the speed of the loop a la Radiohead's "Karma Police." Very handy! ~Tim Mungenast > [Original Message] > From: Gary Lehmann > To: > Date: 8/24/2005 11:07:37 PM > Subject: DigiDelay (was Digitech Jamman - 3 Second Minimum Loop) > > The Digidelay has a loop mode where you stomp to begin recording, release to > end. > Of course you can't change the pitch or feedback, but you can do really > short loops. > Gary > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Nelson > I recently replaced my beloved late-80's Boss DD-3 > with a DigiDelay, its use as a looper is limited because capturing > the loop requires turning a knob, rather than a stomp > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 26 02:00:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BD6A3BFA2; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 02:00:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.54.229.220] X-Originating-Email: [blackface@hotmail.co.uk] X-Sender: blackface@hotmail.co.uk In-Reply-To: From: "phill wilson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 02:00:31 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Aug 2005 02:00:31.0538 (UTC) FILETIME=[F05E6120:01C5A9E1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 02:00:33 +0000 (UTC) >Whadayatink? can we make an alien modded DL4 fit in a tiny box like this? > >Jon > Well, I know its not quite the same, but I make custom EDP foot controllers, they take up the same real estate as the DL4 more or less, Theres pics here......... http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/phillwilson_uk/detail?.dir=ba47&.dnm=2cac.jpg&.src=ph I am now working on a two tier pedal board that has this controller, my expression pedal and my most used effects on the bottom tier then my actual echoplex built into the step to the second tier so I can still see the display and then the lesser used effects on the top row. I figure If Im careful about the dimentions I should be able to put my power supplys under there two and just have one long cable coming out, then put drill holes through to the other rows and just thread the cables through!! if it works I will be in heaven as I am beginign to hate cables and setup times if it works my total setup will be Guitar-- OC3(octave)--PS5(pitchshift)--Zoom707(vol/multiFX)--Blck Coffee (Oct Dist)---digidelay---digiverb---EDP (might even try to squeeze my Kaos pad on there) I could run this of a 5 way power brick a dedicated AC for the 707 and Kaos and a spot for the EDP plug, all onto one white extention strip with just one plug dangling from the back!!! anyway Im dreaming!! Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface) Free Downloads at www.download.com/therealblackface _________________________________________________________________ Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 26 03:16:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6BE93BFA1; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 03:16:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.54.229.220] X-Originating-Email: [blackface@hotmail.co.uk] X-Sender: blackface@hotmail.co.uk In-Reply-To: From: "phill wilson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 03:16:45 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Aug 2005 03:16:46.0084 (UTC) FILETIME=[9702B440:01C5A9EC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 03:16:47 +0000 (UTC) Ok following on from the last message, I suddenly got bitten my the bug to actually start planning this board, I used SketchUp to get these images, http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/phillwilson_uk/detail?.dir=/14c4&.dnm=a1b6.jpg&.src=ph I would appreciate any feedback on obvious design flaws, forseable problems before I go and buy wood and start beavering away in the garage. Thanks Phill >I am now working on a two tier pedal board that has this controller, my >expression pedal and my most used effects on the bottom tier then my actual >echoplex built into the step to the second tier so I can still see the >display and then the lesser used effects on the top row. I figure If Im >careful about the dimentions I should be able to put my power supplys under >there two and just have one long cable coming out, then put drill holes >through to the other rows and just thread the cables through!! if it works >I will be in heaven as I am beginign to hate cables and setup times if it >works my total setup will be Phill Wilson (a.k.a. Blackface) Free Downloads at www.download.com/therealblackface _________________________________________________________________ Winks & nudges are here - download MSN Messenger 7.0 today! http://messenger.msn.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 26 04:58:45 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E63103BFA4; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 04:58:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: flexible looper in small package Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 00:58:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcWpwt5njtnI9YjLRVaklsLIKZrZnQAN+mDA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20050826045844.733943BF9A@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 04:58:45 +0000 (UTC) I'll check with bob. I believe his mod does. -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 6:18 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package However, the original post did make mention of having both halfspeed and reverse available, and I believe the original JamMan doesn't do halfspeed. On 8/25/05, Bill Edmondson wrote: > Point taken. The original post made no mention of expense. Still, an > original 32 second jamman, for example would be under $400. the right choice > depends on the budget and the requirements. > > -----Original Message----- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 26 05:40:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E66863BFAC; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 05:40:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:44:37 +0200 Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package From: Andreas Willers To: LD to post Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 05:40:55 +0000 (UTC) > Well, I know its not quite the same, but I make custom EDP foot controllers, > they take up the same real estate as the DL4 more or less, Theres pics > here......... > > http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/phillwilson_uk/detail?.dir=ba47&.dnm=2cac.jpg > &.src=ph > I just cut my original EDP footpedal between the INSERT and MUTE buttons (aka the fourth and the fifth button) and put the three leftover buttons in a top row between the four remaining ones. Works great ergonomically IMO and is less hasssle to schlepp and set up. Greets, Andreas From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 26 07:10:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A8463BFB1; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:10:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=cJMydZcxAxZpdPYznlL9SHQ8/Ojw3bAuCNJKrX+2YsAq6+z24kM9JWUboqhEr5+8zvj54PX6yzSgKSbFxv/6Hq5n7fvmV8nCRmGKgw09nsBlcLkWdxcWs5z+hGRnurO4E2YzcL7NGoy7UQ8akdd6Xe16PB/asUCD10HRlDGUKz4= ; Message-ID: <005601c5aa0d$3fc48e30$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <000001c5a9ba$1d8fed30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 09:10:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 07:10:37 +0000 (UTC) From: "Travis Hartnett" I've seen very little evidence that there's been much research on the part of manufacturers as to what makes a great looper (and what makes a frustrating one). For a looper with any prior experience just reading the manual for most of these boxes, there always seems to be at least one feature that immediately jumps out as being missing or horribly implemented (variable feedback level and record-straight-into-overdub being two of the usual culprits). _____ I agree but it depends of the way you plan to use the box. For me, I'll choose a "multiply function" over the variable feedback. Record into overdub is the feature everyone needs, I guess ;-) I guess the ultimate perfect box will be a software one, ... Ben ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 26 13:51:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C0043BFA1; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 13:51:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uEQXWHNyKo3cUvLb8IoJTIS2B2+ASsi3tu8Rgy4RMRRM3/R7SdXhetj7bkmL4Gex8MVNji9eu550iC6YX+Ol/tNZyvKQQ/NBWi1a/lffgEEziWYumMILrtQdUmSX0pYTFK2sK+EdaHMhH/C5RCPyShylqBfM6HH3JhqebwpsKoo= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 06:51:14 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package In-Reply-To: <005601c5aa0d$3fc48e30$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000001c5a9ba$1d8fed30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <005601c5aa0d$3fc48e30$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 13:51:15 +0000 (UTC) Yet, after several years of software loopers, they don't seem to be planned out much better than the dedicated hardware boxes. The manufacturer benefits from not needing to produce a dedicated hardware platform and the user benefits from not having to pay BitTorrent to download the software (joke! but only halfway...). Now that there's many years of actual looping experience in the community of musicians, there is a set of commonly desired features which a manufacturer would do well to examine if they want to find lasting market acceptance. I mean, what were the ElectroHarmonix people thinking? Did they think that five minutes (or whatever it is) of recording time was going so dazzle everyone that the other myriad shortcomings wouldn't be a factor? I think they would have done better to do a wholesale functional reissue of the old box with no new features. Or Line6 with their MIDI clock issues on the rackmount delay modeler?=20 If it's in a rack, people want MIDI, and they want it to work. What sort of market research and beta testing misses that? The tool will always dictate, to some degree, how you use it. And if you're a "I want to build up ever denser walls of sound!" guy, then it's good times in gearland for you. However, I don't think that covers the majority of people interested in looping technology, or it doesn't once that population is introduced to the idea of user-controllable feedback. On 8/26/05, Ben wrote: > From: "Travis Hartnett" >=20 > I've seen very little evidence that there's been much research on the > part of manufacturers as to what makes a great looper (and what makes > a frustrating one). For a looper with any prior experience just > reading the manual for most of these boxes, there always seems to be > at least one feature that immediately jumps out as being missing or > horribly implemented (variable feedback level and > record-straight-into-overdub being two of the usual culprits). > _____ > I agree but it depends of the way you plan to use the box. For me, I'll > choose a "multiply function" over the variable feedback. Record into over= dub > is the feature everyone needs, I guess ;-) >=20 > I guess the ultimate perfect box will be a software one, ... >=20 > Ben >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _________________________________________________________________________= __ > Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenge= r > T=E9l=E9chargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 26 17:34:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 645A43BFA8; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 17:34:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ORBL: [63.192.37.243] Message-Id: <6.1.2.0.2.20050826013419.0517ab08@loopers-delight.com> X-Sender: kflint@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:36:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Kim Flint Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package In-Reply-To: <005601c5aa0d$3fc48e30$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> References: <000001c5a9ba$1d8fed30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <005601c5aa0d$3fc48e30$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 17:34:17 +0000 (UTC) At 12:10 AM 8/26/2005, Ben wrote: >From: "Travis Hartnett" > >I've seen very little evidence that there's been much research on the >part of manufacturers as to what makes a great looper (and what makes >a frustrating one). This seems to be true, unfortunately. Or at least it is true among the big name brands trying to make low-end loopers. I'm astonished at how clueless the designers of some of these recent devices are. They could come here and spend 10 minutes asking people what they really want in a looper and create a killer product, but they don't. The sad thing is, many musicians get their introduction to looping by way of one of these crappy devices. They miss out on important fundamentals of looping as a result. It must be frustrating to waste time learning on one of these things. Like learning to play guitar on an instrument with one string. >For a looper with any prior experience just >reading the manual for most of these boxes, there always seems to be >at least one feature that immediately jumps out as being missing or >horribly implemented (variable feedback level and >record-straight-into-overdub being two of the usual culprits). >Ben says: >I agree but it depends of the way you plan to use the box. For me, I'll >choose a "multiply function" over the variable feedback. Record into >overdub is the feature everyone needs, I guess ;-) I agree about multiply being important, but I think feedback control is really even more fundamental and important in a looper. We need looping devices to provide ways to reduce the loop and to evolve the loop in a creative fashion, in addition to the usual ways to add to it. This is the key point being missed by these products, a big reason why people continue to be shocked that new looping devices are being made without it. Variable feedback control is the most fundamental looping technique for evolving loops, by providing the user a way to reduce a loop and then rebuild it. Feedback control has been a primary looping technique in use for decades. At this stage it is deeply ingrained in the whole idea of what looping is. Without this type of feature you get the "wall of sound loop" problem, or you get the "static loop that is boring everybody to death" problem. If you listen to people using many of the recent looping pedals, you will hear them having this trouble all the time. Learning to use feedback is the most fundamental way to move past this. There are of course many other more advanced techniques, but they are harder to get the hang of, and most of these new looping devices lack those as well. At this stage in the development of looping instruments, for a manufacturer to not include a feature like feedback in their "looper" is really baffling. They may as well take out a huge ad in all the music magazines proclaiming "We're Morons!" >I guess the ultimate perfect box will be a software one, ... All of these devices are software. That question really is: "do you want a user interface carefully designed for the task of performance looping?" or "do you want a user interface carefully designed for businessmen giving PowerPoint presentations in hotel conference rooms?" My day job is designing computers. You probably use them. That latter point is one of our primary concerns for our designs, second to the needs of gamers. Nobody in the computer industry ever cares about the needs of performing musicians and we don't design for them. Watching musicians struggle to use personal computers for musical performance and then somehow still believe that the pc is the way of the future seems really funny from my perspective. kim ______________________________________________________________________ Kim Flint | Looper's Delight kflint@loopers-delight.com | http://www.loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 26 20:07:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38FFA3BFB7; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:07:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:07:34 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package In-reply-to: <6.1.2.0.2.20050826013419.0517ab08@loopers-delight.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <430F7686.4080502@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <000001c5a9ba$1d8fed30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <005601c5aa0d$3fc48e30$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> <6.1.2.0.2.20050826013419.0517ab08@loopers-delight.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1_3hs.A.33F.Ma3DDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:07:41 +0000 (UTC) > From: "Travis Hartnett" > > Yet, after several years of software loopers, they don't seem to be > planned out much better than the dedicated hardware boxes. Well, that's debatable, but something to consider here is that unless you fit into the Ableton Live school of looping, there aren't any "manufacturers" of software loopers, with the possible exception of PSP and their Lexicon emulators. Mostly there are people building something for their own use and publishing it as shareware. The sad fact is that there is *no* market for software loopers, so there is very little incentive to do anything great. Believe me, I would be happy to be proved wrong on this. > I've seen very little evidence that there's been much research on the > part of manufacturers as to what makes a great looper (and what makes > a frustrating one). I don't doubt this. But I am curious, how many people in the world actually care about going into overdub after record or any other "fundamental" looping features we hold so dear? A thousand? Probably. Ten thousand? Small markets are difficult to please. Big companies just don't care, they want to move as many units as possible to the lowest common denominator. Kim Flint wrote: > That question really is: > > "do you want a user interface carefully designed for the task > of performance looping?" > > or > > "do you want a user interface carefully designed for businessmen > giving PowerPoint presentations in hotel conference rooms?" If we're talking about user interface as being the pixels you see on a screen, and what happens when you step on a MIDI footswitch, I don't agree there is a significant difference. If the "struggle" musicians have is dealing with a fragile concoction built around a laptop rather than slapping a DL-4 on the floor, then I agree. And you're right that Dell and Apple aren't going to do anything about that. Repackaging the components in a more rugged enclosure isn't rocket science, but it's a tough business to be in because the market is so small. It will probably take someone like Korg or Roland to make it mainstream, and that won't happen for a long time. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Aug 26 21:44:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 861993BFB3; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 21:44:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Traditional Jazz and Jazz Fusion/Groove Rock Streaming Now Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 15:44:27 -0600 Message-ID: <001301c5aa87$583ae9d0$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0014_01C5AA55.0DA079D0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.972000 Suspicious tags-to-text ratio=1.2,Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 140, in=408, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 21:44:44 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C5AA55.0DA079D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all - I just started up a new stream for anyone who has nothing better to do on a Friday night than listen to my music (I hope to see no one hopping on the line! :). This time, the clips are primarily from traditional jazz or jazz fusion/rock groups that I led in the past. I'm looping with the Boomering on most of the jazz fusion/rock material. The jazz fusion/rock material is original. The traditional jazz stuff is standard Real Book material, like Footprints, Time Remembered, Well You Needn't, All Blues, A Foggy Day, etc. I think I was playing a big ol' Epiphone Emperior Regent on those tunes. http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen") You can see a video and picture of the jazz fusion/rock band here, on a really cool stage: http://www.krispenhartung.com/toughercupcakes Cheers, ************************************************************************ ********************** Krispen Hartung Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 Subscribe to email list: krispenhartung-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Performance Calendar: http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartu ng Gear setup: http://www.krispenhartung.com/gear.htm Over 80 free MP3s: http://www.krispenhartung.com/mp3.htm Music & Video Descent to Self: http://www.krispenhartung.com/descent Live at the Kulture Klatsch: http://www.krispenhartung.com/hartung&miresse Places: http://www.krispenhartung.com/cd.htm Assaults & Reprieves: http://www.krispenhartung.com/humesfork Microscopic Horrors: http://www.krispenhartung.com/dvd.htm Hartung Jazz Group: http://www.krispenhartung.com/hartungjazz Tougher Cupcakes: http://www.krispenhartung.com/toughercupcakes ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C5AA55.0DA079D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Traditional Jazz and Jazz Fusion/Groove Rock Streaming = Now

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I just started up = a new stream for anyone who has nothing better to do on a Friday night than listen to my music (I hope to see no one hopping on the line! = :).

This time, the = clips are primarily from traditional jazz or jazz fusion/rock groups = that I led in the past.  I'm looping with the Boomering on most of = the jazz fusion/rock material.  The jazz fusion/rock material is original. The = traditional jazz stuff is standard Real Book material, like Footprints, = Time Remembered, Well You Needn't, All Blues, A Foggy Day, etc. I think = I was playing a big ol' Epiphone Emperior Regent on those = tunes. 

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You can see a = video and picture of the jazz fusion/rock band here, on a really cool = stage:  http://www.krispenhartung.com/toughercupcakes

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------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C5AA55.0DA079D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 27 00:46:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E65F3BFA8; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:46:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=H8IDZSI56H97mUOTn1HKc2WdxFjSzB04WmeXT0iLmxOVF5ELUEucQ1x5gvSjQcbJ0o6m63798ZSoKkh4uveh+B1Q7ZfNAt1QAm0xonvZDNTuv4AGC66d4UIByPQml4dRLP9l8oKpTmdPYimPWILugxzFoI4E5r07QciOyEAXwSA= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 17:46:38 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package In-Reply-To: <430F7686.4080502@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000001c5a9ba$1d8fed30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <005601c5aa0d$3fc48e30$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> <6.1.2.0.2.20050826013419.0517ab08@loopers-delight.com> <430F7686.4080502@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 00:46:40 +0000 (UTC) There's obviously a market for looping technology, since demand for the EDP and Repeater remain high, and even the JamMan rackmount remains in demand almost ten years after being discontinued, plus the Boomerang and DL-4 keep on ticking along (granted the DL-4 is usually bought as a delay modeler with a bonus looping feature). The always baffling question is why Gibson doesn't step up production given the continual high demand for the EDP. There is less demand for tolls which aren't up to commercial standards (in many cases) and which requires an assemblage of computer, midi interface, outboad D/A conversion, and a lot of configuration hassles all for something which is expensive, fragile, and often not suited to live performance situations. When you factor in the issue of software piracy, I can understand the lack of interest on the part of commercial software developers to devote the not inconsiderable amount of effort towards developing a software looping application/plug-in. However, while the looping market may not be huge, I'd say that a majority of them would prefer a looper that includes a record-straight-to-overdub deature. Likewise for MIDI sync and controllable feedback. Personally, I can't imagine gigging (solo) as a looper with anything less than a Boomerang+. A Loop Station or JamMan is lots of fun, but too limited for what I want to do in a live situation. On 8/26/05, Jeff Larson wrote: > > From: "Travis Hartnett" > > > > Yet, after several years of software loopers, they don't seem to be > > planned out much better than the dedicated hardware boxes. >=20 > Well, that's debatable, but something to consider here is that unless > you fit into the Ableton Live school of looping, there aren't any > "manufacturers" of software loopers, with the possible exception of > PSP and their Lexicon emulators. Mostly there are people building > something for their own use and publishing it as shareware. The sad > fact is that there is *no* market for software loopers, so there > is very little incentive to do anything great. Believe me, I would be > happy to be proved wrong on this. >=20 > > I've seen very little evidence that there's been much research on the > > part of manufacturers as to what makes a great looper (and what makes > > a frustrating one). >=20 > I don't doubt this. But I am curious, how many people in the world > actually care about going into overdub after record or any other > "fundamental" looping features we hold so dear? A thousand? > Probably. Ten thousand? Small markets are difficult to please. > Big companies just don't care, they want to move as > many units as possible to the lowest common denominator. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 27 06:12:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4400C3BFAC; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 06:12:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 08:15:09 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package X-Mailer: Virtual Access Open Source http://www.virtual-access.org/ Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Ian Petersen In-Reply-To: References: <000001c5a9ba$1d8fed30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <005601c5aa0d$3fc48e30$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> <6.1.2.0.2.20050826013419.0517ab08@loopers-delight.com> <430F7686.4080502@sun.com> Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 06:12:32 +0000 (UTC) Travis, > The always baffling question is why Gibson doesn't step up production > given the continual high demand for the EDP. The obvious answer is that there *isn't* a high demand for it! There is, perhaps, a demand that is marginally higher than the current supply. But I doubt it would even register a blip on Gibson's marketing radar. When I was hunting for an EDP last year I enqired about it in at least a dozen local music shops (almost all Gibson dealers) as well as several online shops in Germany, France and the UK. Most had never heard of the EDP. Of those who had heard of it most couldn't supply one even if they wanted to because the official Gibson importer *refused* to import EDPs due to 'lack of demand'. I ended up getting one via mail-order from the US after a several-month wait ... If there really were any kind of demand for EDPs, or loopers in general, you can be sure even Gibson - thick-headed as they are - would have EDPs in every outlet they could find. -- Ian Petersen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 27 06:42:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFCFD3BFB9; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 06:42:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=IwUXVuUEQA1PcHMTygYpD2ogt1aHEvovYLYmZcN6NkHW6xqU0zBMYQugrfFb1QDFWY5bDHYHZJ7bsC+vKn2A3AHRy8PylCkNRDllOk58GlPg0CF3QrSqbtOZgetNfQoU1WzTAIBIpcugiz7G5Sd3VfL3AhvnV9ZJAHqPQ7ysRuU= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 23:42:05 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000001c5a9ba$1d8fed30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <005601c5aa0d$3fc48e30$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> <6.1.2.0.2.20050826013419.0517ab08@loopers-delight.com> <430F7686.4080502@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 06:42:07 +0000 (UTC) Ah, the non-US market. Given the currency exchange rate and Gibson's lack of marketing for the EDP I'm not surprised that demand is slight across the pond. Here in the States they seem to be perpetually back ordered and used units consistently sell on eBay for just under the new price. Demand is certainly exceeding the supply, but since Gibson keeps production low we'll never know how big the market is. On 8/26/05, Ian Petersen wrote: > Travis, >=20 > > The always baffling question is why Gibson doesn't step up production > > given the continual high demand for the EDP. >=20 > The obvious answer is that there *isn't* a high demand for it! There > is, perhaps, a demand that is marginally higher than the current > supply. But I doubt it would even register a blip on Gibson's marketing > radar. >=20 > When I was hunting for an EDP last year I enqired about it in at least > a dozen local music shops (almost all Gibson dealers) as well as > several online shops in Germany, France and the UK. Most had never > heard of the EDP. Of those who had heard of it most couldn't supply one > even if they wanted to because the official Gibson importer *refused* > to import EDPs due to 'lack of demand'. I ended up getting one via > mail-order from the US after a several-month wait ... >=20 > If there really were any kind of demand for EDPs, or loopers in > general, you can be sure even Gibson - thick-headed as they are - would > have EDPs in every outlet they could find. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 27 11:26:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACACF3BFB8; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 11:26:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200508271126.j7RBQm328582@shark.freeparking.co.nz> X-Mailer: Ultrafunk Popcorn release 1.24 (06-Sep-2002) X-URL: http://www.ultrafunk.com/products/popcorn Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 23:36:05 +1200 From: nxw@literacy.gen.nz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ChucK Reply-To: nic.mel@literacy.gen.nz Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 11:26:54 +0000 (UTC) Hello All I am new to the list, apologies if this is OT. I am a casual dabbler in Christchurch, New Zealand. I have been recently having a look at Chuck http://chuck.cs.princeton.edu/ as a way of playing around with delay loops. It is a music/sound processing programming language oriented towards performance - plenty of powerful high level stuff built in. Might be a bit new to actually perform in public with, not sure how reliable it is at this stage. I haven't had it crash on me yet, but I do get a few nasty sound glitches occasionally. Is there anyone else out there using Chuck for looping? For those who want to try it, here is what a supersimple looped delay looks like in ChucK: adc => dac; // dry signal straight thru adc => Delay d => gain g => dac; // delayed signal g => d; // looped 0.8 => g.gain; // set the gain to fade the echos 2000::ms => d.max; // set the loop time (in millisecs) 2000::ms => d.delay; while( true ) 10::ms => now; // make it go indefinitely Regards, Nicolas Woollaston From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 27 17:18:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 900E63BFA1; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 17:18:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=IRY39yaw8T5LHzzh15RJ/j0eFRRD3+4GAMI8prCoYayGWZPCOyIMofZ3w5c/BImTIh6hXsXWaurOmNEw2BwfEyzrZJXxdvO7w8g2ds1X2HDfywO5Hi/qxnaWKBXAjvpEZIZhgtIxWM1S+7nIMr0I6wiGnQKNJ0Ry3mp6HUeQQsM= Message-ID: <588ce11d05082710185a62f389@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 10:18:36 -0700 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000001c5a9ba$1d8fed30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <005601c5aa0d$3fc48e30$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> <6.1.2.0.2.20050826013419.0517ab08@loopers-delight.com> <430F7686.4080502@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 17:18:37 +0000 (UTC) I actually sold mine for _more_ than the new price (which was significantly more than I paid for it). I surprised both that Gibson isn't meeting the demand, and that software loopers like Mobius haven't diminished demand for the EDP. While maybe it doesn't register on Gibson's marketing radar, you'd think someone could make money on hardware loopers. What if Jeff were to port Mobius to the Receptor (http://www.museresearch.com/)? How much would people be willing to pay for a 2U rackmount box that was essentially 8 stereo EDPs? (Personally, I'm happier with software loopers, but I'm not a gigging musician.) Just a thought. . . On 8/26/05, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Ah, the non-US market. Given the currency exchange rate and Gibson's > lack of marketing for the EDP I'm not surprised that demand is slight > across the pond. >=20 > Here in the States they seem to be perpetually back ordered and used > units consistently sell on eBay for just under the new price. Demand > is certainly exceeding the supply, but since Gibson keeps production > low we'll never know how big the market is. >=20 > On 8/26/05, Ian Petersen wrote: > > Travis, > > > > > The always baffling question is why Gibson doesn't step up production > > > given the continual high demand for the EDP. > > > > The obvious answer is that there *isn't* a high demand for it! There > > is, perhaps, a demand that is marginally higher than the current > > supply. But I doubt it would even register a blip on Gibson's marketing > > radar. > > > > When I was hunting for an EDP last year I enqired about it in at least > > a dozen local music shops (almost all Gibson dealers) as well as > > several online shops in Germany, France and the UK. Most had never > > heard of the EDP. Of those who had heard of it most couldn't supply one > > even if they wanted to because the official Gibson importer *refused* > > to import EDPs due to 'lack of demand'. I ended up getting one via > > mail-order from the US after a several-month wait ... > > > > If there really were any kind of demand for EDPs, or loopers in > > general, you can be sure even Gibson - thick-headed as they are - would > > have EDPs in every outlet they could find. > > >=20 >=20 --=20 Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 27 18:14:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 575913BFAA; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 18:14:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=edudzH9au/kxQmPsYvnfnZVcuqkrDoUJgY20Ta/+4dunosYMOgZbGKdmNl9Dp4xqb5tfphsZEpd+EknGG5kDVdZEzDLTQXGUwciDD7hcia5M+u9pz+NTPZ9rNq4KalfYWJjczXY0lm50momGDRdg3pFZMqAIqpWxWpgBdng2pzM= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 11:14:29 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package In-Reply-To: <588ce11d05082710185a62f389@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000001c5a9ba$1d8fed30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <005601c5aa0d$3fc48e30$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> <6.1.2.0.2.20050826013419.0517ab08@loopers-delight.com> <430F7686.4080502@sun.com> <588ce11d05082710185a62f389@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 18:14:31 +0000 (UTC) There's very little demand for eight stereo EDP's in a live setting, so my question to the Mobius (and Receptor) folks is how would I have to spend to get essentially one EDP's worth of functionality (and stability) in that box? I believe Mobius runs $100 right now, this box is $1400 from Banana's, throw in a MIDI controller and with tax and shipping you're looking at the better part of two grand, before you put it into a rack and wire it up. And for a $1500 box, I'd suggest a really nice rack. Which, I suspect is too expensive for most people on this list. Is there anyone reading this using Plugzilla or anything similar? I suspect the air gets really thin when you hit four figures on a looper regardless of how many reverb and filter plug-ins you can also run on it. Going down that route (VST plugin running on rackmount VST host) means that the end-user has to keep track of upgrades for the host box and from the plugin manufacturer. And if the Mobius guys haven't found it worth their while to port it to the Mac (which has a substantially larger installed user base than all VST rack boxes combined), then I'm not holding my breath for any special support from them when I find a problem that happens only on the non-PC VST host. On 8/27/05, Art Simon wrote: > I actually sold mine for _more_ than the new price (which was > significantly more than I paid for it). I surprised both that Gibson > isn't meeting the demand, and that software loopers like Mobius > haven't diminished demand for the EDP. While maybe it doesn't register > on Gibson's marketing radar, you'd think someone could make money on > hardware loopers. >=20 > What if Jeff were to port Mobius to the Receptor > (http://www.museresearch.com/)? How much would people be willing to > pay for a 2U rackmount box that was essentially 8 stereo EDPs? > (Personally, I'm happier with software loopers, but I'm not a gigging > musician.) Just a thought. . . > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 27 21:25:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2400B3BFB4; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:25:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 16:25:39 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4310DA53.5020204@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <000001c5a9ba$1d8fed30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <005601c5aa0d$3fc48e30$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> <6.1.2.0.2.20050826013419.0517ab08@loopers-delight.com> <430F7686.4080502@sun.com> <588ce11d05082710185a62f389@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:25:41 +0000 (UTC) Travis Hartnett wrote: > There's very little demand for eight stereo EDP's in a live setting, > so my question to the Mobius (and Receptor) folks is how would I have > to spend to get essentially one EDP's worth of functionality (and > stability) in that box? I believe Mobius runs $100 right now That's the price I charge the government. For everyone else it's free :-) Yes, if all you want to do is create non-overlapping monaural loops, and you don't have any other reason to invest in a VST host or a laptop, then Mobius makes no economic sense. If you want stereo loops, which apparently many do, then the fair comparison is against two brother sync'd EDPs which weigh in at $2K. If you want more than one parallel loop, as on the Repeater, then you're comparing against 4 EDPs, 8 if you want them in stereo. And if you want to explore Andre territory and do surround looping, you're looking at 5 EDPs. > And if the Mobius guys > haven't found it worth their while to port it to the Mac I'm waiting for 100 pre-orders. Which times 0 would be...damn I knew I should have taken some business courses. Oh I remember, I'm in it for the *love* :-) Seriously, I doubt you will see a port to the Receptor or something like it for a very long time. Mobius is really only of interest to studio musicians and the small group of pioneers that are willing to use laptops live. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 27 21:48:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 700833BFBB; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:48:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=d7DDBg0jxKcYzeVShZx91MaVL3x3SDaRHwT7qsVlfkrlj/v3tii9yTqKXQiOviL9pYLbjsleJymOBWnMpKOJba0vPeuvouLgv1PTnfSVN/VinY9+iF2dEXkKJip/8HjNmh+OAtSmN+of+N/ZufyKDSx9KJxzWfD/B+WYgVC2/60= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 14:48:50 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package In-Reply-To: <4310DA53.5020204@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000001c5a9ba$1d8fed30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <005601c5aa0d$3fc48e30$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> <6.1.2.0.2.20050826013419.0517ab08@loopers-delight.com> <430F7686.4080502@sun.com> <588ce11d05082710185a62f389@mail.gmail.com> <4310DA53.5020204@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 21:48:52 +0000 (UTC) Jeff--thanks for chiming in. To me, a big problem with the parallel loop concept is the UI.=20 Keeping track of what's where and being able to smoothly switch between the various "tracks" in an elegant manner is not a small issue, and the more tracks in use, the harder it becomes. I've had two EDP's in my live rack for some time now and from my perspective the issues of juggling two linked boxes while I'm playing an instrument which requires two hands and keeping the result interesting for the audience can be a bit much. If one was bringing in pre-saved loops and not starting from a blank slate it might be different, but I feel that moves too far into the "watch me remix live" area of looping in which I'm not personally interested, but if I was, the UI benefits of full-blown computer with a screen seems undeniable. Which again leaves the VST box out in the cold. I'm always curious as to where they're being used (rackmount VST hosts), since it seems that it makes more sense in the studio to use a host computer, and I haven't seen them crop up in the gear lists of working musicians. Maybe in the electronic music world, which I don't keep tabs on, but even then I'd think a laptop would be the tool of choice. I'm also curious as to how many people are using EDP pairs for stereo. For me it never seemed cost effective, since I was never that attached to precise stereo imaging, so just stereoizing a loop with reverb or a Vortex was fine by me. On the other hand it was worthwhile to have two EDP's so I could do a one button switch between various parameter settings between songs to minimize dead air onstage, so everyone's got their priorities. On 8/27/05, Jeff Larson wrote: >=20 > Yes, if all you want to do is create non-overlapping monaural loops, and > you don't have any other reason to invest in a VST host or a laptop, > then Mobius makes no economic sense. >=20 > If you want stereo loops, which apparently many do, then the fair > comparison is against two brother sync'd EDPs which weigh in at $2K. >=20 > If you want more than one parallel loop, as on the Repeater, then > you're comparing against 4 EDPs, 8 if you want them in stereo. >=20 > And if you want to explore Andre territory and do surround looping, > you're looking at 5 EDPs. >=20 > > And if the Mobius guys > > haven't found it worth their while to port it to the Mac >=20 > I'm waiting for 100 pre-orders. Which times 0 would be...damn > I knew I should have taken some business courses. Oh I remember, > I'm in it for the *love* :-) >=20 > Seriously, I doubt you will see a port to the Receptor or something > like it for a very long time. Mobius is really only of interest > to studio musicians and the small group of pioneers that are > willing to use laptops live. >=20 > Jeff >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 27 22:58:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C6AE3BFBD; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 22:58:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 17:58:09 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package In-reply-to: <588ce11d05082710185a62f389@mail.gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4310F001.1080102@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <000001c5a9ba$1d8fed30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <005601c5aa0d$3fc48e30$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> <6.1.2.0.2.20050826013419.0517ab08@loopers-delight.com> <430F7686.4080502@sun.com> <588ce11d05082710185a62f389@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0kke0C.A.JdH.__OEDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 22:58:07 +0000 (UTC) Art Simon wrote: > I actually sold mine for _more_ than the new price (which was > significantly more than I paid for it). I surprised both that Gibson > isn't meeting the demand, and that software loopers like Mobius > haven't diminished demand for the EDP. I don't think Mobius is having any significant effect on the EDP market. From the feedback I get, Mobius users fall into three categories: - computer-based musicians that have always wanted an EDP but would never pay $1000 for one - those that want stereo, or parallel loops, or "remix" features - those that are transitioning to computer-based rigs for the flexibility and portability they can offer, and are willing to deal with the consequences In the first two categories, you have people that wouldn't be buying EDPs anyway. The third category is very small. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Aug 27 23:30:09 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40F223BFBB; Sat, 27 Aug 2005 23:30:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=t7bO3b7PTpgbqJtjbnncQu9kxgEBAsrjKEoZA+y0wI+/Xdvc7RtvVD2u0TJSUMsFOTkKXldHYKYhJKZjKY7PC9tOOUmxsLvMQDpbl7jLODTYi1PJOpZFrfvwUXgh5xht5NSdSRJ5phf/P/117yOzzqWB9oIwAJT176tedm0pOXI= Message-ID: <588ce11d050827163073cb73e2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 16:30:07 -0700 From: Art Simon To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package In-Reply-To: <4310F001.1080102@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <000001c5a9ba$1d8fed30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <005601c5aa0d$3fc48e30$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> <6.1.2.0.2.20050826013419.0517ab08@loopers-delight.com> <430F7686.4080502@sun.com> <588ce11d05082710185a62f389@mail.gmail.com> <4310F001.1080102@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 23:30:09 +0000 (UTC) I guess I'd fally into category 3. After my son was born, I found I couldn't keep my EDP, Repeater and other stuff "out" in my bedroom, they were just too inviting for him too play with. A computer based setup eliminated all the cables and clutter as well. Not very musical reasons I realize. . . On 8/27/05, Jeff Larson wrote: > Art Simon wrote: > > I actually sold mine for _more_ than the new price (which was > > significantly more than I paid for it). I surprised both that Gibson > > isn't meeting the demand, and that software loopers like Mobius > > haven't diminished demand for the EDP. >=20 > I don't think Mobius is having any significant effect on the EDP > market. From the feedback I get, Mobius users fall into three > categories: >=20 > - computer-based musicians that have always wanted an EDP > but would never pay $1000 for one >=20 > - those that want stereo, or parallel loops, or "remix" features >=20 > - those that are transitioning to computer-based rigs for the > flexibility and portability they can offer, and are willing > to deal with the consequences >=20 > In the first two categories, you have people that wouldn't be > buying EDPs anyway. The third category is very small. >=20 > Jeff >=20 >=20 --=20 Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://artsimon.iuma.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 28 03:26:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A7D63BFC2; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 03:26:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bernhard Wagner LD" To: Subject: LD praise ... Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 05:26:06 +0200 Message-ID: <016301c5ab80$3edb9a30$2101a8c0@alhambra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on hetzner.perspectix.ch X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=3.0.2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 03:26:51 +0000 (UTC) ... by Matthias Loibner before his set with Tunji Beier last night: http://loopfestival.com/loibnerBeierSpeech.mp3 You men drove me to tears Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 28 05:35:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8E7D3BFBC; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 05:35:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Scott M2" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" Subject: The PiNG presents The Riderless + Michael Keith with David Sait Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 01:36:01 -0400 Organization: dreamSTATE Message-ID: <000301c5ab92$60078e50$1602a8c0@studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 05:35:47 +0000 (UTC) The wonderful electronic music inventor Dr. Robert Moog passed away last weekend (August 21st, 2005) and the PiNG will be playing some significant Moog synthesizer-based albums before and between sets this week in his honour. http://www.moogmusic.com I think that all current electronic musicians will discover his legacy in their roots. There's some shots of my own small Moog system at a PiNG event here: http://www.dreamstate.to/apo_270901.htm Thanks Dr Moog! - Scott M2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG http://www.theambientping.com Tuesdays @ HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor (directly across from the Bathurst subway station) - Toronto Doors open at 9pm - 1st set at 9:30 - PayWhatYouCan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This Tues. Aug. 30th - The Riderless + Michael Keith with David Sait "The Centre of Stillness" - The debut of the mysterious "Old World" amalgamation from the creative partnership of Michael Keith & David Sait. Michael will be performing on one of the World's oldest and most majestic instruments, the Chinese 7-string long zither (Guqin). The first 'guqin' dates back some 3000 years and was played only by the highest scholars including Confucius. Completing the duo is David Sait, who will be showcasing the Chinese Guzheng (18 & 21 string zither with moveable bridges). The guzheng's (goo-jung) first recorded sighting was in 600 BC and is the Grandfather to such instruments as the Japanese koto and Vietnamese Dan Tranh among others. There is a real warmth, an organic blend of traditional music and contemporary approaches being brought to the listener by this duo. Their set at the PiNG will focus on BALANCE, with slow building movements gravitating in time towards intricate playfulness leaving the ear and spirit with a central perspective. http://www.alexiteric.com http://www.davidsait.com The Riderless will be mixing their own blend of old-world wonder and heavy sonic futurism as their eclectic touring troupe cross-breeds two guitars, bass, keyboards and drums with an "acoustic recorderly" side of exotic and invented instruments. "Fallen Reverends", their fifth record is sixty-five minutes of mostly electric workouts with a few acoustic tracks, while their sixth album "Enceinte" is recorded live at the house o' miracles and is almost completely acoustic instrumentation, save the keys and a lonely electric guitar. http://www.theriderless.com Between Sets CD - "The Dark Side of the Moog V" (Fax) by Pete Namlook and Klaus Schulze with Bill Laswell Dr Robert Moog himself introduces this "Dark Side of the Moog" chapter from a series of ten albums by Namlook and Schulze featuring Moog's famous electronic instruments - including his prized modular synths. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Coming Tuesday September 6th - A Worthy Fall - September featuring The London Apartments and Weird State Inbetween http://www.worthyrecords.com http://www.thelondonapartments.com http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pageartist.cfm?bandID=256530 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ||: IN THE LOOP :|| by Luna Tek Summer may be winding down but things are heating up at THE AMBiENT PiNG: BLEEP and Beneath These Idle Tides played to a full house on Tuesday, August 23 and offered two wonderfully contrasting concerts. BLEEP first wowed the audience with their blend of rock electronica and Robyn Sellman's ethereal vocals. As Igor Olejar kicked out on his electronic drum pads, new member Maz Fusion twanged the strings on bass and guitar while Robyn injected synth parts between her creatively processed vocals. The icing on the cake: the fab visuals that BLEEP has also become known for. An electro-pop/chill-out delight! Beneath These Idle Tides began their set with a melancholy passage reminiscent of Gavin Bryars "The Sinking Of The Titanic". Haunting, evocative, thin wails were followed by heavy crescendos. This is music you can get lost in: somehow it engages without triggering that random thought process which diverts even the most attentive listener. Pure ambience. In the pieces that followed, their sound became increasingly heavier, with a noise-oriented edge and then came full circle, ending with a spell of quiescence transmitted via drifting notes that left the audience longing. Guitarist Myke Atkinson was then joined by bass and drums for a piece before returning to solo guitar. In the final moments of their performance, the trio was reformed and they performed a melodic passage that suddenly switched into a truly intense finish. More info at: http://www.bleeptunes.com and http://www.downrecords.com/idletides/epk.html Luna Tek - luna@theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . rik maclean's *ping things* CD Reviews "Land of the Blind" by The Circular Ruins The music of The Circular Ruins has always struck me as lush, as very full. An intricately detailed canvas of sound art that captures a sense of both time and place. With the release of "Land of the Blind", The Circular Ruins have collected eight stunning pieces that continue to engage & delight in the same manner. The disc opens with "A Storm of Secondary Things". Delicate sweeping pads loop and swirl, while complex percussive patterns play underneath. Shimmering melodies unfold as the piece progresses. A beautiful introduction to the disc. "Holiday in Reality" is built around fluttering patterns of sound, a series of squelchy electronic patterns rising and falling throughout. A sense of movement, of journey permeates throughout the track, a lovely feeling of travel. Wonderful. "Thought is False Happiness" builds upon a latticework of pads and waves, intricate folds weaving and gaining in complexity as time passes. A stunning piece. Track four, "Anamnesis", is a much more subtle piece, a minimal sense of movement that uses silences to accent the tones throughout. Patches of dialogue pass through like fragments from half forgotten dreams. A fantastic track that I find myself drawn to again and again. "The Abyss of Proof" is an ominous track, a dark foreboding introduction leading into a tense claustrophobic environment. Be careful when you stare into the abyss, it has a way of staring back at you... "Interior Distance" features a repeated arpeggio overtop an organic backdrop of landscape sounds. Delicate and simple, yet somehow vaguely threatening. A slow and steady journey through the familiar territory of reason to the darker lands of delirium. "Standing in Violent Golds" is a more dense piece, dark matter and alien elements clashing, conflicted. There are small pieces of beauty that stand in contrast to the controlled chaos at play here, but they serve only as small reminders of order, in effect bringing the confusion more into focus. Disc closer "A Distant Assembly" is an epic track that utilizes oblique motion to anchor simple melody lines, slow waves of sound rising and falling like tides. Tones gain in strength, finding order and reason, gradually melting into other forms, taking on other shapes and meaning. A hundred vistas pass by during the course of it's length, each another glimpse of alien worlds, different spaces, a thousand more just beyond reach. And then it is done, an afterimage reflected in our mind's eye the only reminder of what we've seen. Without doubt, "The Land of the Blind" lives up to and surpasses all of my expectations with regards to The Circular Ruins. A truly wonderful disc featuring a truly wonderful collection of music, I recommend it wholeheartedly to fans of the ambient genre in all of it's forms, as well as to all those who enjoy the discovery of inner journeys. rik maclean - rik@pingthings.com http://www.pingthings.com = ambient + electronic + chill things Send an e-mail to pingthings-subscribe@yahoogroups.com for updates on *all* the latest releases on sale at ping things . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a social sound/art event presenting live performances by Toronto's finest ambient, chillout, improv and experimental music artists plus performers from across the continent, every Tuesday evening at HACiENDA - 794 Bathurst Street at Bloor. http://www.theambientping.com . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Please forward this e-mail to any friends who may be interested in live ambient, chillout and experimental music performances or to any of your appropriate newsgroups. Thanks. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 28 14:32:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82AC13BF7E; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 14:32:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=sprintmail.com; b=MOx5S+4l34jcfl+I5pau5b7CctjMVwJJ82couiDDnFOwFFPOi2KYecrK5HMm9hI3; h=Received:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Content-Type:To:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Travis Hartnett Subject: Gig Spam (Seattle) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 07:32:50 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-ELNK-Trace: 86a6669cc0c295031c0d99aadad889b544085b9606502ed938d731f11c85766739fcfa4ea18ffa30350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.91.62.52 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 14:32:55 +0000 (UTC) I'll be doing some acoustic guitar live looping at two shows this week: Thursday, September 1st, 8PM Caffe Bella (2621 Fifth Avenue) The first time I've played here in a while, in the shadow of the soon-to-be-defunct monorail. http://www.caffe-bella.com/4436.html Friday, September 2nd, 6PM, Essential Baking (1604 North 34th Street) And the monthly return to a controversial local favorite with amazing chocolate desserts. http://www.essentialbaking.com/ There's no cover at either show. Be seeing you, Travis *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* The Official Travis Hartnett Website: http://www.travishartnett.com *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* *-*-*-*-* From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 28 15:09:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5A5E3BF8F; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:09:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: RE: LD praise ... Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:08:50 -0600 Message-ID: <004c01c5abe2$68e67720$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <016301c5ab80$3edb9a30$2101a8c0@alhambra> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 142, in=409, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:09:05 +0000 (UTC) That is a very beautiful speech. Thanks for sharing, Bernhard. It is wonderful to be a part of a community where we all share similar or overlapping thoughts and feelings on this thing called looping....very gratifying and invoking a sense of belonging and unity. I wish I could have heard the remainder of the song, though! :) Kris -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Wagner LD [mailto:loopdelightml@nosuch.biz] Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 9:26 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: LD praise ... ... by Matthias Loibner before his set with Tunji Beier last night: http://loopfestival.com/loibnerBeierSpeech.mp3 You men drove me to tears Bernhard From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 28 15:59:12 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B21F3BF79; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:59:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: ArsOcarina@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 11:59:10 EDT Subject: Re: LD praise ... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_fd.1ab25427.3043394e_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 208 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:59:12 +0000 (UTC) --part1_fd.1ab25427.3043394e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Benhard, I agree LD is a great thing. But that was some wicked looping=20 that was starting up there. And I'l second Kris in his wish that we could hear the rest of it. Best regards, tEd =AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_fd.1ab25427.3043394e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Benhard,

I agree LD is a great thing. But that was some wicked looping
that was starting up there. And I'l second Kris in his wish that
we could hear the rest of it.

Best regards,

tEd =AE kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? --part1_fd.1ab25427.3043394e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 28 17:19:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9695B3BF79; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 17:19:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050826013419.0517ab08@loopers-delight.com> References: <000001c5a9ba$1d8fed30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <005601c5aa0d$3fc48e30$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> <6.1.2.0.2.20050826013419.0517ab08@loopers-delight.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6b98612370a2739412de2a5e1174674c@lunarium.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jesse Kates Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 12:19:17 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-DCC-ipwdcc-1-Metrics: host222.ipowerweb.com 208; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 17:19:21 +0000 (UTC) On Aug 26, 2005, at 12:36 PM, Kim Flint wrote: > At 12:10 AM 8/26/2005, Ben wrote: >> From: "Travis Hartnett" >> >> I've seen very little evidence that there's been much research on the >> part of manufacturers as to what makes a great looper (and what makes >> a frustrating one). > > This seems to be true, unfortunately. Or at least it is true among the > big name brands trying to make low-end loopers. I'm astonished at how > clueless the designers of some of these recent devices are. They could > come here and spend 10 minutes asking people what they really want in > a looper and create a killer product, but they don't. > > The sad thing is, many musicians get their introduction to looping by > way of one of these crappy devices. They miss out on important > fundamentals of looping as a result. It must be frustrating to waste > time learning on one of these things. Like learning to play guitar on > an instrument with one string. I think the market for these low-end loopers (like the RC-20) may not be the constituency of this list. I imagine they sell most of their units to musicians who want to pre-record backing tracks. How many people are on this list, anyway? Jesse From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Aug 28 17:47:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC48E3BF75; Sun, 28 Aug 2005 17:47:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,148,1122868800"; d="scan'208"; a="1321632183:sNHT21813300" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v728) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <70259F84-FDD4-4AE6-9A03-AEA724CB09FE@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: David Coffin Subject: FYI: Gear FS posting.... Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 10:47:11 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 17:47:15 +0000 (UTC) Just put up at HC: Subject: TC Electronics D-TWO 10-sec. delay Price: 325 Age: 0 (months or year made) Condition: Mint Brand new, still in box, never used (got as warranty replacement), =20 unregistered. Will split shipping, PayPal only please. Subject: Boss GT-5 Price: 225 Age: 60 (months or year made) Condition: Excellent Best, most flexible GT version, imo, still in great shape, used only =20 in my studio, have original manual; will throw in print-out of huge independantly-=20 written GT-3 manual that=92s been on-line for a while, plus 2 aux Boss DP-2 = foot- switches and split shipping; PayPal only please. Contact: David Coffin, 541 412-2793 Zip: 97415 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 29 11:55:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 169D43BF3E; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:55:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 08:00:34 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Summer Loops To: Message-id: <000301c5ac91$43b38100$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20050819214959.65660.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com> <000901c5a509$28b70960$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: <1P2IZC.A.5XB.yevEDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:55:31 +0000 (UTC) Well, it's almost back to school time. So, of course the question is this: "What did you Loop on your summer vacation?" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 29 13:51:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EAAE3BF42; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 13:51:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_flawless.real.com-3578-1125323456-0001-2" Message-Id: <431312C4.00000A.02968@A7V266E-XP-USER> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 06:51:00 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time) X-Mailer: IncrediMail (2501351) From: "Sony Felberg" References: <016301c5ab80$3edb9a30$2101a8c0@alhambra> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LD praise ... X-FID: ED0CFE32-10CD-430509702-0C6A43069D41 X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: "Sony Felberg" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 13:51:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_flawless.real.com-3578-1125323456-0001-2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_flawless.real.com-3578-1125323456-0001-3" This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_flawless.real.com-3578-1125323456-0001-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The link does not seem to be good. 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-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 08/27/05 20:= 26:51
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  ... by Matthias Loibner before his set with Tunji Beier last = night:
 
 
 
You men drove me to tears
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by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE7233BF41; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:01:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Os Subject: major new Augustus Loop version Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:01:48 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: <2zHPl.A.hnH.jNyEDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:01:55 +0000 (UTC) Hi, first of all, hello to all of you I met at the Z=FCrich loopfest! I =20 thoroughly enjoyed the experience. Thanks and congratulations to =20 Bernhard for organising it. Secondly - I've just released a new version of my looping software, =20 Augustus Loop, which you can read about and download from here: http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustusloop.html While it remains based around a tape-delay paradigm, I've added a =20 feature to let you change the delay time (per delay tap) smoothly =20 without the "tape head sliding along the tape" effects. I'm quite =20 excited about this feature as it opens up a lot of performance =20 features e.g. loop multiply/divide. Lastly a reminder that I'm always glad to hear suggestions for new =20 features & improvements. cheers, os. os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 29 15:22:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28F473BF49; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:22:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:22:33 -0400 Message-Id: <8C77AC49CBB1E6D-AE8-16F03@FWM-R40.sysops.aol.com> From: nemoguitt@aol.com References: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.1.0.13507 Subject: zurich fest Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-AOL-IP: 152.163.181.144 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:22:47 +0000 (UTC) WHAT A GAS!.....BERNHARD IS MY HERO.....more when i get home.....m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 29 17:50:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A19F23BF2D; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:50:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7AE22903-ECE1-4559-B1CE-97F047B5B6A9@boysen.se> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: major new Augustus Loop version Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:50:12 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) X-invalid-halo: [192.168.1.34] Resent-Message-ID: <_4a42B.A.6wG.Zr0EDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:50:17 +0000 (UTC) Really cool, this new version. Can I upgrade by PayPal? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.looproom.com (international) www.boysen.se (Swedish) ---> iTunes Music Store (digital) www.cdbaby.com/perboysen On Aug 29, 2005, at 17:01, Os wrote: > Hi, > > first of all, hello to all of you I met at the Z=FCrich loopfest! I =20= > thoroughly enjoyed the experience. Thanks and congratulations to =20 > Bernhard for organising it. > > Secondly - I've just released a new version of my looping software, =20= > Augustus Loop, which you can read about and download from here: > http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/augustusloop.html > > While it remains based around a tape-delay paradigm, I've added a =20 > feature to let you change the delay time (per delay tap) smoothly =20 > without the "tape head sliding along the tape" effects. I'm quite =20 > excited about this feature as it opens up a lot of performance =20 > features e.g. loop multiply/divide. > > Lastly a reminder that I'm always glad to hear suggestions for new =20 > features & improvements. > > > cheers, > os. > > os@collective.co.uk > http://www.collective.co.uk/ > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 29 18:06:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 704DF3BF25; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:06:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Re: LD praise ... Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:06:27 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:59:25 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.101.136 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: <_OTe5C.A.6wH.y60EDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:06:43 +0000 (UTC) for those who want to know more about hurdygurdy virtuoso Matthias Loibner, he has a site together with his percussion partner, Tunji Beier. It contains mp3s from their pre-looping time but they are awesome anyway. Imagine this stuff with loops included. They are currently in the studio working on their first album - I talked to Matthias and made sure he will post the release date on LD. http://www.tunji.org/loibner-beier/ The 30 minute set of this duo was one of several truly breathtaking events during this wonderful loopfestival, Zurich/Switzerland 2005. And I mean, truly breathtaking. The set of the Swiss avantgarde band New Bag (who I hadn't heard of before) left me openmouthed. Floored, really. The best concert of a band I've seen for years. And lots of the other loopers in the room also had this openmouthed look on their faces. If you love energetic and complex rock and jazz, go to http://www.newbag.ch. Listen to their mp3s. Buy their CDs. To me, the highlight of the third day was Michael Schiefel's 30 minute voice loop wizardry, and his stage presence - the audience was raptured, there were standing ovations, people jumped and shouted for more. http://www.schiefel.de .... here are impressions from Michael Schiefel's set from the livelooping evening in Berlin in 2003: http://www.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/LiveLooping This was my first larger loopfestival, and I was really happy to be able to finally meet longtime email-based looping friends in person - Bill Walker (whose brother Rick I had already met on his Europe tour), Andy Butler, Claude Voit, Michael Klobuchar, Os and Michael Bearpark of Darkroom, Per Boysen, James Sidlo, Gareth Whittock, Luca Formentini, Dan Mayfield ... to name just a few .... Matthias Grob was also there of course ... and Bernhard Wagner who had organized the festival - many many thanks Bernhard! On the afternoon of the first day, we had a small scale workshop that was also big fun ... Rick gave us rhythm lessons, Matthias Grob showed his new Firewire-driven guitar and software, Per and Os demonstrated the Augustus loop software, Michael Schiefel introduced us to his new setup consisting of two EDPs, a voice effect unit, and a small midi keyboard controller. Wow! Group photo after the loop festival: http://www.michaelpeters.de/fotos/2005-08-zurichloopfestival/zurich_grouppho to.jpg Michael Peters www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 29 18:14:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41A003BF26; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:14:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-T2-Posting-ID: Fz54lhn1c1H4mF5/QZJzVQ== Message-ID: <43135237.1090406@unguitar.com> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:21:43 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: the perfect midi foot controller - wish list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <8wbwpC.A.UH.PC1EDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:14:39 +0000 (UTC) Hi dear guys, first of all let me clap hands for Bernhard for having organized an amazing looping festival in Zurich last week. More hand claps for the performers who have succeded on stage. Now, back on topic: today I spoke with a guitar tech ( building amps and other more sophisticated devices) about a midi controller to suggest me. My dream is to replace the following pedal overpopulation: Midi control board for pg change ( Rfx Midi wizard ( because it has 8 cc inputs)) Efc 7 for Edp's 3 momentary switches At the end, when I finished to explane him what I needed he told me: "I can make you whatever you can think of, just make me a list of the functions you are looking for and let me know so that I can tell you the price and the possibility to make it". "The price ????" I asked him "For the full thing you are asking me (see below) it wouldn't be more than 400/500 euros". Ok ! I told him, let's think about it. So, I put together a basic list of the things I'd like to have and here it is: Simultaneous Pg Change to more midi channels (5) Note on/off 5 cc inputs chance to have a switches row for reserved commands (think about having a sort of programmable efc 7 there) Led light near each switch Display ( at least progam number) Easy programming. I just wanted to check up with you if I'm forgetting something. Ideas ? thanks for your help, luca www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 29 18:18:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF3573BF32; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:18:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=OvHmQsdxjxeHEyhZX7hUzdQvWP7tGCO2OKpSylq0isHStL0hgkpeXVMKS6aes3mKK3GSyHf+I9o3GZQkiKGmqpZNEFuC+knbfVpQD5DMiBIuDRMrNdZNQQlbxXFCP6tRa9c9a//kJQhr8vgS9R5gOMJ5nXUZw30kJOHlogyIv6g= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:18:16 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the perfect midi foot controller - wish list In-Reply-To: <43135237.1090406@unguitar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <43135237.1090406@unguitar.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:18:17 +0000 (UTC) MIDI in, so if you need to restore your settings to the pedal you can load a backup from a sequencer. This would also allow for a PC based editing program for programming the controller. On 8/29/05, Luca Formentini wrote: > Hi dear guys, > first of all let me clap hands for Bernhard for having organized an > amazing looping festival in Zurich last week. > More hand claps for the performers who have succeded on stage. >=20 > Now, back on topic: > today I spoke with a guitar tech ( building amps and other more > sophisticated devices) about a midi controller to suggest me. > My dream is to replace the following pedal overpopulation: > Midi control board for pg change ( Rfx Midi wizard ( because it has 8 cc > inputs)) > Efc 7 for Edp's > 3 momentary switches >=20 > At the end, when I finished to explane him what I needed he told me: "I > can make you whatever you can think of, just make me a list of the > functions you are looking for and let me know so that I can tell you the > price and the possibility to make it". > "The price ????" I asked him > "For the full thing you are asking me (see below) it wouldn't be more > than 400/500 euros". > Ok ! I told him, let's think about it. >=20 > So, I put together a basic list of the things I'd like to have and here > it is: > Simultaneous Pg Change to more midi channels (5) > Note on/off > 5 cc inputs > chance to have a switches row for reserved commands (think about having > a sort of programmable efc 7 there) > Led light near each switch > Display ( at least progam number) > Easy programming. >=20 >=20 > I just wanted to check up with you if I'm forgetting something. >=20 > Ideas ? >=20 > thanks for your help, > luca > www.unguitar.com >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 29 18:26:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 115953BF37; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:26:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 13:26:14 -0500 From: Jeff Larson Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <43135346.5050106@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) References: <000001c5a9ba$1d8fed30$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> <005601c5aa0d$3fc48e30$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> <6.1.2.0.2.20050826013419.0517ab08@loopers-delight.com> <430F7686.4080502@sun.com> <588ce11d05082710185a62f389@mail.gmail.com> <4310DA53.5020204@sun.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:26:20 +0000 (UTC) Travis Hartnett wrote: > I'm always curious as to where they're being used (rackmount VST > hosts), since it seems that it makes more sense in the studio to use a > host computer, and I haven't seen them crop up in the gear lists of > working musicians. Maybe in the electronic music world, which I don't > keep tabs on, but even then I'd think a laptop would be the tool of > choice. Yes, I wish the Receptor folks well, but that has to be a difficult business. It makes little sense in the studio where you will already have computers. Most plugs are designed to need a graphic UI, so on the road you're still having to deal with an attached LCD panel and possibly even a keyboard and mouse. The big issue for developers is that it runs neither Windows or OSX, so you have yet another port. Oh they claim to run Windows plugs but that's marketing hype. If you deviate from their portability rules, which easy to do, it won't run. This basically eliminates all non-commercial developers because there aren't enough Receptor users to justify a port. And Receptor buyers have to be sure that what they want runs on it. A classic chicken-and-egg problem. There are certainly advantages to the Receptor approach, but I have to wonder if it wouldn't have been better to start with Windows as a foundation, properly tuned with all the unnecessary components removed. No, it wouldn't boot in 5 seconds like the Receptor claims, but you wouldn't have any plugin support issues. A lot of the their technology like the VST host application, integrated audio/midi, plugin version management, integrated copy protection, crash detection, etc. would still be valuable and differentiate it from just another rack mount PC. As long as they keep you from using it as a PC and doing silly things like surfing the web or reading email, it wouldn't be be any less stable than the Linux platform they currently use. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 29 18:30:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FAB93BF27; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:30:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,150,1122850800"; d="scan'208"; a="2183577:sNHT41001296" Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050829182203.02d578b0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:24:12 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:EDP Footpedal Debouncer? In-Reply-To: <20050823012218.840F93BF2B@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050823012218.840F93BF2B@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:30:14 +0000 (UTC) > >Hi All. >I have been frustrated with my EDP's tendency to bounce when I try to hit the >pedal only once with my foot. I decided to try a slight mod to see if it would >help...I soldered a 0.1 uF capacitor across the output pins of the >pedal to make >a very crude lowpass filter, hopefully reducing bounce. I just played with it >for about 20 minutes and the bouncing seems to have gone away, although more >testing will be needed to know for sure. > >Has anyone done a mod like this before? I looked in the archives and couldn't >find any reference to it. great idea. Not heard it before. Probably worth putting in those capacitors before the switches crap out. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 29 18:30:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCE763BF3D; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:30:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <062E73B4-18BB-11DA-A0AC-000A95E567E4@gis.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Paul Sullivan Subject: NYC gig spam: Lambic @ CBGB gallery 313 this Tuesday, 8/30 @ 10 pm Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:30:50 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-ELNK-Trace: 2cf92e4390c98b9b1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec799bd57bc2f07ce9002f590039e83133c6350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 24.215.142.63 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:30:52 +0000 (UTC) That's right, the celebrated improvising rock/jazz/electronic/whatever band is performing at CBGB gallery 313 (right next door to the original CBGB) this Tuesday, August 30th, at 10pm PLEASE come out, it should be a great show at a great place that sadly may not be around much longer. And yes, there will be much loopage: our looping tools include 2 boomerangs, dl-4, pds-8000. headrush... Lambic is: Paul Sullivan--guitars and effects Stephen Moses--drums, trombone and effects CBGB Gallery is at 313 Bowery (at bleeker Street). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 29 19:14:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 67E1B3BF23; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:14:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,150,1122850800"; d="scan'208"; a="6735417:sNHT75831973" Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050829182637.02d201c0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:08:48 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:EDP=INS=SUS In-Reply-To: <20050823144058.59A4E3BF5D@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050823144058.59A4E3BF5D@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <4VHDkD.A.-TC.q61EDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:14:50 +0000 (UTC) >I'm experimenting with Insert=SUS ... while I press the Insert button in SUS >mode, the EDP's output is muted which kind of creates a hole in the musical >flow ... is there a way to do SUS inserts that don't mute? e.g. the new >input that is inserted could be routed to the output while pressing the >button so that there is no pause. > >Michael Peters no, the dry signal isn't controllable in this way. So I guess that the audience doesn't hear your source material, just the loops? In which case what you suggest would be a useful feature. How about using Stutter Mode Loop/Delay = Stu then you at least wouldn't get a gap. If you use a pedal for feedback , then turn the front panel feedback control to zero the material you here from the loop during the insert won't go into the loop. (if you don't need to control the regular feedback, then you can just put a jack into the feedback socket) Not the exact effect you asked, but fairly close. Otherwise (as we discussed at Zurich Loopfest):- Quantise = 8th 8th/cycle = 8, or whatever you like Insert = SUB will set things up so that a quick tap of Insert will put a rhythmically accurate chunk of source material into your loop (it won't be heard till the loop comes round though) andy butler (ps looking forward to listening to your cds) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 29 19:32:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A3F93BF25; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:32:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <294ca9e0286152caeb779878ddfae49c@piersgibbon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Piers Gibbon Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:32:00 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:32:09 +0000 (UTC) Hi Just to say I am having a great time looping with my RC20XL...it's been the most musically creative period for me since buying it. Here's some very early loops in an interesting delivery package (which was coded by Richard at juniperblue.com if you want to use it!) http://www.juniperblue.com/milesandpiers/ It is possibly the only battery powered Looper out there (true?) and therefore allows some extraordinarily mobile performances, and it's cheap! Piers -- Piers Gibbon http://www.PiersGibbon.com > > The sad thing is, many musicians get their introduction to looping by > way of one of these crappy devices. They miss out on important > fundamentals of looping as a result. It must be frustrating to waste > time learning on one of these things. Like learning to play guitar on > an instrument with one string "I think the market for these low-end loopers (like the RC-20) may not be the constituency of this list. I imagine they sell most of their units to musicians who want to pre-record backing tracks. How many people are on this list, anyway? Jesse" > . From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 29 21:32:11 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95E873BF22; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:32:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v733) In-Reply-To: <20050829180643.088F03BF39@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050829180643.088F03BF39@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8C783694-E445-4C2E-B34D-ECE9E4708F70@btinternet.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: david geraghty Subject: Re: flexible looper in small packag Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:32:37 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.733) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:32:11 +0000 (UTC) Well, I use a 'low-end' looper and am not someone who wishes to pre- record backing tracks. The likes of an RC-20, DL-4 and Headrush are expensive enough without having to worry that I can't afford something that doesn't constitue a 'low-end' looper. These aforementioned items may not have all the functions of a more expensive looper, but loopers they still are. I may be missing out, but i'm still finding out many amazing things through the use of these loopers. i don't consider a moment using these as wasting time. -david > From: Jesse Kates > Date: 28 August 2005 18:19:17 BDT > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package > >>> >> >> This seems to be true, unfortunately. Or at least it is true among >> the big name brands trying to make low-end loopers. I'm astonished >> at how clueless the designers of some of these recent devices are. >> They could come here and spend 10 minutes asking people what they >> really want in a looper and create a killer product, but they don't. >> >> The sad thing is, many musicians get their introduction to looping >> by way of one of these crappy devices. They miss out on important >> fundamentals of looping as a result. It must be frustrating to >> waste time learning on one of these things. Like learning to play >> guitar on an instrument with one string. >> > > I think the market for these low-end loopers (like the RC-20) may > not be the constituency of this list. I imagine they sell most of > their units to musicians who want to pre-record backing tracks. > How many people are on this list, anyway? > > Jesse From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 29 22:01:46 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01C603BF2B; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:01:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <22139694.1125352904457.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:01:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: flexible looper in small packag Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:01:45 +0000 (UTC) I tend to agree with David on this. I've owned 2 of the 3 loopers he mentions in his first paragraph and the Boss DD-20. I believe creative spirit is the uniting factor on the list as opposed to price of device. Though I often dream of having a Repeater or the Hallowed EDP, things in real life like work, school, mortgage, bills etc.. have often gotten in the way. I do see Jesse's point if he were implying the zenith of said looping equipment in most of our minds at least technologically and demographically. Can you clarify for us Jesse? I don't think any insult was intended in the least. Still Lurking, Todd -----Original Message----- From: david geraghty Sent: Aug 29, 2005 5:32 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: flexible looper in small packag Well, I use a 'low-end' looper and am not someone who wishes to pre- record backing tracks. The likes of an RC-20, DL-4 and Headrush are expensive enough without having to worry that I can't afford something that doesn't constitue a 'low-end' looper. These aforementioned items may not have all the functions of a more expensive looper, but loopers they still are. I may be missing out, but i'm still finding out many amazing things through the use of these loopers. i don't consider a moment using these as wasting time. -david > From: Jesse Kates > Date: 28 August 2005 18:19:17 BDT > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package > >>> >> >> This seems to be true, unfortunately. Or at least it is true among >> the big name brands trying to make low-end loopers. I'm astonished >> at how clueless the designers of some of these recent devices are. >> They could come here and spend 10 minutes asking people what they >> really want in a looper and create a killer product, but they don't. >> >> The sad thing is, many musicians get their introduction to looping >> by way of one of these crappy devices. They miss out on important >> fundamentals of looping as a result. It must be frustrating to >> waste time learning on one of these things. Like learning to play >> guitar on an instrument with one string. >> > > I think the market for these low-end loopers (like the RC-20) may > not be the constituency of this list. I imagine they sell most of > their units to musicians who want to pre-record backing tracks. > How many people are on this list, anyway? > > Jesse From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 29 22:33:48 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 141DC3BF27; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:33:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Gary Lehmann" To: Subject: RE: flexible looper in small package--it ain't the RC! Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 15:33:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcWs5UEf9ZTLEroeQUiypu/479ug0gAA/swg In-Reply-To: <22139694.1125352904457.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Message-Id: <20050829223344.BKWW8651.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:33:47 +0000 (UTC) I have had the RC-20 for a while, and although is useful, it is hardly flexible. Flexible means feedback control, ending record with overdub, multiply, loop windowing, restart, MIDI clock in and out--hmmm, sounds like the Echoplex . . . Gary From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 29 23:04:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D9283BF21; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 23:04:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-815446476 From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: echoplex feedback problem with fcb1010 Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 18:04:14 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Spam-Score: 1.582 (DATE_IN_PAST_96_XX) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 66.226.64.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 23:04:24 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-815446476 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed help! if im in overdub mode and bring back the feedback level below 100% i cant get it back up while in still in that mode. it just goes to 0% at the max position of the expression pedal. if i leave overdub mode, it works correctly again. vol works fine on the other pedal. ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS --Apple-Mail-1-815446476 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII help! if im in overdub mode and bring back the feedback level below 100% i cant get it back up while in still in that mode. it just goes to 0% at the max position of the expression pedal. if i leave overdub mode, it works correctly again. vol works fine on the other pedal. ___7979,0404,0909 Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS --Apple-Mail-1-815446476-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Aug 29 23:27:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43A353BF27; Mon, 29 Aug 2005 23:27:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=aQjDp2gksWn0Wl3fkx+j9HOgQpKUACLZQSe0ZTSTUNqnyB52Nr+uwkZdCV7fpZAkMM0FeBKOfqMB0OuyUamAjUIkyYokGYiwBHGAq6bLbQEV5tPACIGfeDRPbzdRGTR+AhYUYdYm7OVcQsqGfH5gx5vABC/Mnqb/Dw6Xy7ijLYk= ; Message-ID: <20050829232733.59729.qmail@web81308.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:27:33 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: RE: flexible looper in small package--it ain't the RC! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050829223344.BKWW8651.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@Desktop2002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 23:27:34 +0000 (UTC) I don't think flexibility or price have much to do with anything. I've seen really cool performances by loopers using a couple of analog delay pedals and some found objects. The RC-20 is for sure not my thing, but I have an easy time believing that someone could make cool music with one. I've got what's considered one of the most "flexible" loopers made: The Electrix Repeater. 90% of the time I use it in the most basic of ways. It's not even the scope of what it does as much as that a subset of what it does is what I need it to do for the thing I want to create. No reason the RC-20 doesn't have that for someone... just not me. Tell me your looper doesn't do feedback of any type puts it off my list but I'm not everyone. Hell, the EDP doesn't even do what I want. Different tools for different jobs. Mark __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 30 00:12:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9608A3BF36; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 00:12:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Wp6PSXizemsXZNugFAfEb6MUe4fmLiIshM9xYnVueMbKaSmegpoA5XwHsbvQ4aiCpEYHOqPMt9rTRAy63mkRDTq/n1CnnGJBarD6QvHw7ivX+UqhDX9+wnWtaygf+ZuDTqKDa5QJhV62huahVogHfLgnmT2/xrm/AaGswvreUh8= ; Message-ID: <20050830001248.69805.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:12:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "L. Angulo" Subject: Re: the perfect midi foot controller - wish list To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <43135237.1090406@unguitar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 00:12:50 +0000 (UTC) momentary and toggle led mode like the Digitech PMC10 would be nice,specially controlling the mute track function of the repeater,this is what the FCB1010 is missing because there is no way of telling which track is muted or unmuted! Luis --- Luca Formentini wrote: > Hi dear guys, > first of all let me clap hands for Bernhard for > having organized an > amazing looping festival in Zurich last week. > More hand claps for the performers who have succeded > on stage. > > Now, back on topic: > today I spoke with a guitar tech ( building amps and > other more > sophisticated devices) about a midi controller to > suggest me. > My dream is to replace the following pedal > overpopulation: > Midi control board for pg change ( Rfx Midi wizard ( > because it has 8 cc > inputs)) > Efc 7 for Edp's > 3 momentary switches > > At the end, when I finished to explane him what I > needed he told me: "I > can make you whatever you can think of, just make me > a list of the > functions you are looking for and let me know so > that I can tell you the > price and the possibility to make it". > "The price ????" I asked him > "For the full thing you are asking me (see below) it > wouldn't be more > than 400/500 euros". > Ok ! I told him, let's think about it. > > So, I put together a basic list of the things I'd > like to have and here > it is: > Simultaneous Pg Change to more midi channels (5) > Note on/off > 5 cc inputs > chance to have a switches row for reserved commands > (think about having > a sort of programmable efc 7 there) > Led light near each switch > Display ( at least progam number) > Easy programming. > > > I just wanted to check up with you if I'm forgetting > something. > > Ideas ? > > thanks for your help, > luca > www.unguitar.com > > > > > www.luis-angulo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 30 00:31:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E7B83BF38; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 00:31:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hcvetBmucUVFMcsOUVHW4wdrA8Fqlxt5iDpEJDXAyB3X6nS+f+Ww+O7rGA88x4uVxVF1QcMsOOienMHdjKFjokQbnC6XrV9ApV6a2OpWgCdLFf4mzo8bOX6Cu9a75WI7NdbaiDM2jgQBOqiJXTPE9z/y5qN/8ouMDzO2XxlqeVU= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 17:31:08 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: the perfect midi foot controller - wish list In-Reply-To: <20050830001248.69805.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <43135237.1090406@unguitar.com> <20050830001248.69805.qmail@web52804.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 00:31:10 +0000 (UTC) If we're going for the dream unit, which will definitely put your budget above the original quote, I'd suggest a 16-character very, very bright LED display above each switch. On 8/29/05, L. Angulo wrote: > momentary and toggle led mode like the Digitech PMC10 > would be nice,specially controlling the mute track > function of the repeater,this is what the FCB1010 is > missing because there is no way of telling which track > is muted or unmuted! > Luis > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 30 02:07:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 313423BF34; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 02:07:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <22139694.1125352904457.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <22139694.1125352904457.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-1031553750 Message-Id: Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Jesse Kates Subject: Re: flexible looper in small packag Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:07:21 -0500 To: Todd Howell X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-DCC-ipwdcc-1-Metrics: host222.ipowerweb.com 208; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 02:07:30 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-1031553750 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > I do see Jesse's point if he were implying the zenith of said looping > equipment in most of our minds at least technologically and > demographically. Can you clarify for us Jesse? I don't think any > insult was intended in the least. > > Still Lurking, > > Todd Hi Todd - I was responding to this comment, which has since been deleted from the thread :) - >>> I've seen very little evidence that there's been much research on the >>> part of manufacturers as to what makes a great looper (and what makes >>> a frustrating one). My point is that there may be substantial research on the part of manufacturers into what most buyers want in a "looping" device. But what most buyers want may not be what looping musicians want. I wasn't knocking the RC-20, nor was I saying it couldn't be used to create great art. I was simply pointing out that this list is made up of hard-core loop enthusiasts, people who are probably not representative of most Boss buyers. I've met people who love "looping" technology because it allows them to play along to the Eagles by pre-recording different chord progressions and triggering changes between them. I bet there are more RC-20 buyers who fall under that category than there are serious (or even non-serious, but creative) loop musicians. And of course, users like this would not be represented here. The EDP, on the other hand, is clearly targeted at loop musicians, and I would guess it sells at a fraction of the rate of the RC-20 as a result. This is not a comment on quality or price/value, just a comment on market demographics. In sum, I am defending the product managers at Boss, Line 6, etc. God knows why. :) I personally own a Line 6 delay modeler, which I use to make music that I love, but I am pretty sure I use it in a way that would be considered an "edge case" by most Line 6 product professionals. After all, the loop sampler on the Line 6 is just one mode of what, 16? I would much rather have an EDP. And I would buy the RC-20 in a second if it could record sound-on-sound at other than 100% feedback. Jesse --Apple-Mail-1-1031553750 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I do see Jesse's point if he were implying the zenith of said looping equipment in most of our minds at least technologically and demographically. Can you clarify for us Jesse? I don't think any insult was intended in the least. Still Lurking, Todd0000,6363,1212 Hi Todd - I was responding to this comment, which has since been deleted from the thread :) - I've seen very little evidence that there's been much research on the part of manufacturers as to what makes a great looper (and what makes a frustrating one). My point is that there may be substantial research on the part of manufacturers into what most buyers want in a "looping" device. But what most buyers want may not be what looping musicians want. I wasn't knocking the RC-20, nor was I saying it couldn't be used to create great art. I was simply pointing out that this list is made up of hard-core loop enthusiasts, people who are probably not representative of most Boss buyers. I've met people who love "looping" technology because it allows them to play along to the Eagles by pre-recording different chord progressions and triggering changes between them. I bet there are more RC-20 buyers who fall under that category than there are serious (or even non-serious, but creative) loop musicians. And of course, users like this would not be represented here. The EDP, on the other hand, is clearly targeted at loop musicians, and I would guess it sells at a fraction of the rate of the RC-20 as a result. This is not a comment on quality or price/value, just a comment on market demographics. In sum, I am defending the product managers at Boss, Line 6, etc. God knows why. :) I personally own a Line 6 delay modeler, which I use to make music that I love, but I am pretty sure I use it in a way that would be considered an "edge case" by most Line 6 product professionals. After all, the loop sampler on the Line 6 is just one mode of what, 16? I would much rather have an EDP. And I would buy the RC-20 in a second if it could record sound-on-sound at other than 100% feedback. Jesse --Apple-Mail-1-1031553750-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 30 03:39:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 880063BF46; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 03:39:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <6356073.1125373182529.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:39:42 -0600 (GMT-06:00) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: flexible looper in small packag Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Earthlink Zoo Mail 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 03:39:43 +0000 (UTC) Yes, now I understand this with a tad more clarity. I would like to be much more of a hardcore loop guy myself. I have a friend who has the EDP and spends endless hours with it. I've tinkered and enjoyed it immensely. If it were a financial and time practicality, I would be sitting in my basement looping my way to bliss. Alas, trying to do another degree and pay a mortgage at the ripe old age of 40 is kind of taxing. What features vs. price point break-over would signify the bet combination of all of these? Just an opinion question. Do tell if so inclined. Todd -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Kates Sent: Aug 29, 2005 8:07 PM To: Todd Howell Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: flexible looper in small packag > I do see Jesse's point if he were implying the zenith of said looping > equipment in most of our minds at least technologically and > demographically. Can you clarify for us Jesse? I don't think any > insult was intended in the least. > > Still Lurking, > > Todd Hi Todd - I was responding to this comment, which has since been deleted from the thread :) - >>> I've seen very little evidence that there's been much research on the >>> part of manufacturers as to what makes a great looper (and what makes >>> a frustrating one). My point is that there may be substantial research on the part of manufacturers into what most buyers want in a "looping" device. But what most buyers want may not be what looping musicians want. I wasn't knocking the RC-20, nor was I saying it couldn't be used to create great art. I was simply pointing out that this list is made up of hard-core loop enthusiasts, people who are probably not representative of most Boss buyers. I've met people who love "looping" technology because it allows them to play along to the Eagles by pre-recording different chord progressions and triggering changes between them. I bet there are more RC-20 buyers who fall under that category than there are serious (or even non-serious, but creative) loop musicians. And of course, users like this would not be represented here. The EDP, on the other hand, is clearly targeted at loop musicians, and I would guess it sells at a fraction of the rate of the RC-20 as a result. This is not a comment on quality or price/value, just a comment on market demographics. In sum, I am defending the product managers at Boss, Line 6, etc. God knows why. :) I personally own a Line 6 delay modeler, which I use to make music that I love, but I am pretty sure I use it in a way that would be considered an "edge case" by most Line 6 product professionals. After all, the loop sampler on the Line 6 is just one mode of what, 16? I would much rather have an EDP. And I would buy the RC-20 in a second if it could record sound-on-sound at other than 100% feedback. Jesse From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 30 07:23:21 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 457353BF29; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 07:23:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,153,1122850800"; d="scan'208"; a="7070342:sNHT134242276" Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050830075918.02dbeaa0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:17:18 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Re:the perfect midi foot controller - wish list In-Reply-To: <20050830020730.B27333BF44@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050830020730.B27333BF44@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 07:23:21 +0000 (UTC) >today I spoke with a guitar tech ( building amps and other more >sophisticated devices) about a midi controller to suggest me. > >At the end, when I finished to explane him what I needed he told me: >"For the full thing you are asking me (see below) it wouldn't be >more than 400/500 euros". > > >So, I put together a basic list of the things I'd like to have and >here it is: >Simultaneous Pg Change to more midi channels (5) >Note on/off >5 cc inputs >chance to have a switches row for reserved commands (think about >having a sort of programmable efc 7 there) >Led light near each switch >Display ( at least progam number) >Easy programming. hi Luca, You should at least add the specification. "When a note-On is sent, a corresponding note-off must be sent when the foot is taken off the switch" Sadly, I don't see how it's possible to make the device programmable at that price. That's a major software job. You'd have to decide what preset functions you want in advance. andy butler ps mail me off-list if you'd like to swap CDs with me, somehow I never got to ask you in Zurich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 30 07:29:39 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DB213BF26; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 07:29:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Re: LD praise ... Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:28:50 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C5AD45.3ACF25D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:21:47 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.108.92 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 07:29:38 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C5AD45.3ACF25D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Group photo after the Zurich loop festival, without line break (hopefully) in the link ... http://www.michaelpeters.de/fotos/2005-08-zurichloopfestival/zurich_grouppho to.jpg Michael Peters www.michaelpeters.de ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C5AD45.3ACF25D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C5AD45.3ACF25D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 30 07:46:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EAED3BF14; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 07:46:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=yzA0nv0f1LbjDJio5kb6cBPDd86K3ydxplL7norOI0b5XVn/QSdKqOM/jdxpQOSeJcnUyRhvSYpkQG/Sk0EEB+YH1JvhDDXuldcOls+cqaHSy+5W88agpLfxm+0+wiegP4grR4OCihnxVcfsY/qf+pO9vKdcXUezwtTfZJ6jisM= ; Message-ID: <00e101c5ad36$f0561620$6502a8c0@Ruelle2> From: "Ben" To: References: <294ca9e0286152caeb779878ddfae49c@piersgibbon.com> Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:46:31 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <8TySrB.A.mRG.b7AFDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 07:46:35 +0000 (UTC) Nice interface!! Exactly the GUI I'm thinking to do. But I still have to master all this flash stuff. Ben. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Piers Gibbon" To: Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 9:32 PM Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package > Here's some very early loops in an interesting delivery package (which was > coded by Richard at juniperblue.com if you want to use it!) > > http://www.juniperblue.com/milesandpiers/ ___________________________________________________________________________ Appel audio GRATUIT partout dans le monde avec le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger Téléchargez cette version sur http://fr.messenger.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 30 08:06:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 918CE3BF34; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:06:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002501c5ad39$c2e759d0$0201a8c0@mlimli> From: "claude voit" To: References: Subject: Re: echoplex feedback problem with fcb1010 Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:06:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: <2yom7C.A.ciH.XOBFDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:06:47 +0000 (UTC) first try to use the other pedal for feedback, then you'll know if its the fcb that has a problem (wich I suspect) Claude help! if im in overdub mode and bring back the feedback level below 100% i cant get it back up while in still in that mode. it just goes to 0% at the max position of the expression pedal. if i leave overdub mode, it works correctly again. vol works fine on the other pedal. ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 30 08:33:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3844B3BF3C; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:33:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,153,1122850800"; d="scan'208"; a="7106557:sNHT19503379" Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050830082117.02d5aca0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:27:35 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Zurich Loopfest In-Reply-To: <20050830020730.B27333BF44@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050830020730.B27333BF44@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:33:57 +0000 (UTC) hi loopers Thanks to Bernard Wagner for organising an amazing festival. Three nights of looping, with full support from a dedicated team of helpers/venue-staff and an appreciative audience. The usual 30 minute per artist quickfire thing, but this time Bernard got in some "name-brand" acts to do an hour set at the end of the evening. Highlights (well there were many, this is just a selection) 1) Stephen Keller's quadrophonic flute looping 2) Claude Voit's acoustic guitar treatment 3) Hearing Bill Walker for the first time 4) coming home with a bagful of traded cds 5) Rick Walker's sharing of his rhythm knowledge 6) an impromptu recording session with Rick and Bill in Bernard's stairwell. 7) hanging out with the guys, Mike, Bill, Rick, Per, Bernard, Matthias & co. , haven't laughed like that in years. 8)oh ...and having the chance to play LowLights 1) not catching all the music, do to late arrival, loop-fatigue, or just because it was too loud for me(Christy Doran) 2) missing the workshop, .....damn 3) 2 new chunks out of my guitar There was a lot of talk about what worked as a performance under those conditions, the 30min time limit being significant. 1) preparation seems to be the key, allowing the performer to present a succession of ideas fitted to the available time 2) "hitting the wrong button" didn't spoil a performance, it was possible to deal with this either musically ( just allowing it to become part of the music) or by doing a bit of "performance art" to keep it entertaining for the audience. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 30 10:22:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E4C53BF3C; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:22:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20050830102220.37140.qmail@web86703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:22:20 +0100 (BST) From: David Geraghty Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050830020730.9FB8E3BF43@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:22:22 +0000 (UTC) I would certainly like to add that I don't think Jesse meant any offence, I merely wanted to point out these tools can still have a use. Now, i've been looping with my gear for a while but i am starting to notice you guys talking of having feedback control. would anyone care to explain this to me, in as simple terms as possible. i've tried searching but i only find references to it, not an actual, simple description... Thank you -david > From: Todd Howell > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: flexible looper in small packag > > I tend to agree with David on this. I've owned 2 of > the 3 loopers he mentions in his first paragraph and > the Boss DD-20. I believe creative spirit is the > uniting factor on the list as opposed to price of > device. Though I often dream of having a Repeater > or the Hallowed EDP, things in real life like work, > school, mortgage, bills etc.. have often gotten in > the way. > > I do see Jesse's point if he were implying the > zenith of said looping equipment in most of our > minds at least technologically and demographically. > Can you clarify for us Jesse? I don't think any > insult was intended in the least. > > Still Lurking, > > Todd > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 30 12:27:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 897503BF34; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:27:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "markFrancombe" To: Subject: VIRTUAL GIG SPAM: kinda live in the Bronx! Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:23:51 +0200 Message-ID: <6C10D44E98457542ABE7DC4D89D96EBF01AD48@transdc1.t-l.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0097_01C5AD6E.74B58C70" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:27:40 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0097_01C5AD6E.74B58C70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey all,=20 I will be er.. playing.. live over the internet this coming Sunday, I will be at home in Oslo, and the performance will be shown live at=20 =20 The Point Community Development Corporation=20 Aunts Point, The Bronx, New York from 11 am to 1pm.=20 =20 Anyone in the area, please stop by (and take some pics for me??)=20 =20 I will be using a simple flash! program called VStudio that lets me loop audio and/or visuals. Anyone can use this as it resides at www.furthernoise.org .=20 People NOT in the area can therefore join me online. Participation will be blocked during the performance, but everyone will be encouraged to muck about together afterwards. It is the community aspect of the software that is interesting, indeed I performed for 30 minutes live on Resonance Radio in the UK earlier in the year, together with an American and a Japanese musician.=20 It is a buggy system at the moment (we are currently redesigning from scratch 2 new versions, one solely for audio collaborations and one for visual collaborations, on Sunday I will be attempting both) Be warned, I will be using multiple videos all looping and combined, this can be very CPU hungry so if I crash your system.. Im sorry! I myself will be running 2 laptops so that I can always be logged in, if one goes down!!! =20 Event Spam follows: =20 Furthernoise.org - Visitors Studio A/V Performances by Chris Vine and Mark Francombe. =20 Chris Vine Associated with the 'Downtempo' jazz scenes in New York and Washington=20 DC during the 1980's working with composers such as=20 multi-instrumentalist Elliott Sharp & drummer Bobby Previte and then =20 guitarist with Ted Miltons UK cult punk jazz group Blurt during the=20 90's, Chris Vine is an innovative musician, composer and artist. He is=20 also a founding member of the Canton Opera Company which collages=20 baroque arias with abstract soundscapes and is currently touring Brazil=20 performing a live score with dance theatre company Verve Companhia de=20 Dan=E7a. He will be mixing live from his home in Londrina, Paran=E1,=20 Brazil. =20 Mark Francombe=20 Mark Francombe is a composer, performer and artist with a well heeled=20 reputation for experimental electronic and improvised music. A founding=20 member and guitarist of the 1980's UK indie band Cranes he recorded and=20 toured extensively throughout Europe before moving to Norway in 1997.=20 He composes & performs with modified, heavily treated, baritone guitar=20 and releases his music through small independent CDR labels including=20 his own Synch Non Synch label. His recent album Ear, Nose & Throat is=20 released through Oslo based Synesthetic Recordings and is featured in=20 the current edition of Furthernoise where he also contributes as a=20 reviewer. He will be mixing live from his home in Oslo. =20 Chris Vine 4 - 4.45 pm Mark Francombe 4.45 - 5.30 pm Open mixing to close =20 The event will last for 2 hours and Chris and Mark will be online=20 afterwards to chat about their work as the studio is open again for=20 general mixing. =20 Log on to http://www.furtherstudio.org/live from 4pm BST. =20 Residents of New York can watch the event broadcast live in Theatre of=20 The Point Community Development Corporation Aunts Point, The Bronx, New=20 York from 11 am to 1pm. =20 Warning the event may contain strobe lighting effects. =20 enquiries: roger[at]furthernoise.org http://www.furthernoise.org ------=_NextPart_000_0097_01C5AD6E.74B58C70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey all,

I will be er.. playing.. live over the internet this coming Sunday, I will be at home in = Oslo, and the performance will be shown live at

 

The Point Community = Development Corporation
Aunts Point, The Bronx, New = York from 11 am to 1pm.

 

Anyone in the area, please stop by (and take = some pics for me??)

 

I will be using a simple flash! program called VStudio that lets me loop = audio and/or visuals. Anyone can use this as it resides at www.furthernoise.org. =

People NOT in the area can therefore join me = online. Participation will be blocked during the performance, but everyone will = be encouraged to muck about together afterwards. It is the community aspect = of the software that is interesting, indeed I performed for 30 minutes live on Resonance Radio in the = UK earlier in the year, together with an American and a Japanese musician. =

It is a buggy system at the moment (we are = currently redesigning from scratch 2 new versions, one solely for audio = collaborations and one for visual collaborations, on Sunday I will be attempting both) = Be warned, I will be using multiple videos all looping and combined, this = can be very CPU hungry so if I crash your system.. Im sorry! I myself will be running 2 laptops so that I can always be logged in, if = one goes down!!!

 

Event Spam = follows:

 

Furthernoise.org - Visitors Studio A/V Performances by Chris Vine and = Mark = Francombe.

 

Chris Vine

Associated with the 'Downtempo' jazz scenes in New York and Washington

DC during the 1980's working with composers = such as

multi-instrumentalist Elliott Sharp & drummer Bobby Previte and then=A0 =

guitarist with Ted Miltons UK cult punk = jazz group Blurt during the

90's, Chris Vine is an innovative musician, = composer and artist. He is

also a founding member of the Canton Opera Company which collages =

baroque arias with abstract soundscapes and is currently touring = Brazil

performing a live score with dance theatre company Verve Companhia de

Dan=E7a. He = will be mixing live from his home in Londrina, Paran=E1,

Brazil.

 

Mark = Francombe

Mark = Francombe is a composer, performer and artist with a well heeled =

reputation for experimental electronic and improvised music. A = founding

member and guitarist of the 1980's = UK indie band Cranes he recorded and =

toured extensively throughout Europe before moving to = Norway in 1997.

He composes & performs with modified, = heavily treated,=A0 = baritone guitar

and releases his music through small independent CDR labels including =

his own Synch Non Synch label. His recent album Ear, Nose & Throat is =

released through Oslo based Synesthetic Recordings = and is featured in

the current edition of Furthernoise where he = also contributes as a

reviewer. He will be mixing live from his home in = Oslo.

 

Chris Vine 4 - 4.45 pm

Mark = Francombe 4.45 - 5.30 pm

Open mixing to = close

 

The event will last for 2 hours and Chris and = Mark will be online

afterwards to chat about their work as the studio is open again for =

general mixing.

 

Log on to http://www.furtherstudio.org/live = from 4pm BST.

 

Residents of = New York can watch the event broadcast live in Theatre of

The Point Community Development Corporation = Aunts Point, The Bronx, New

York from 11 am to 1pm.

 

Warning the event may contain strobe lighting = effects.

 

enquiries: roger[at]furthernoise.org

http://www.furthernoise.org

------=_NextPart_000_0097_01C5AD6E.74B58C70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 30 12:40:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D4663BF32; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:40:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= X-IronPort-AV: i="3.96,153,1122850800"; d="scan'208"; a="2702939:sNHT24805984" Message-Id: <6.2.3.4.0.20050830133154.032622e0@pop.tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.3.4 Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:34:57 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: a k butler Subject: Adrian Bartholomew, calibrate your fcb1010 In-Reply-To: <20050830122740.E4D3A3BF3E@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20050830122740.E4D3A3BF3E@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:40:59 +0000 (UTC) At 13:27 30/08/05, you wrote: >help! >if im in overdub mode and bring back the feedback level below 100% i >cant get it back up while in still in that mode. it just goes to 0% >at the max position of the expression pedal. if i leave overdub >mode, it works correctly again. >vol works fine on the other pedal. >___ >Adrian Bartholomew http://www.loopersdelight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_hiliter/LDarchive/200501/msg00584.html?line=3#hilite to which instructions I add:- When calibrating, don't move the pedals quite all the way up/down, or you'll find the range limited to something like 125-001 instead of the desired 127-000 andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 30 13:25:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF3FB3BF3C; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:25:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #3338868 Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:24:37 +0200 From: Matthias Loibner X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) Reply-To: LD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1299025286.20050830152437@gmx.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?WvxyaWNoIExvb3BmZXN0?= In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:25:31 +0000 (UTC) MP> Imagine this stuff with loops included. They are currently in the studio MP> working on their first album - I talked to Matthias and made sure he will MP> post the release date on LD. dear Michael, thanx for posting this as I wanted to ask you for your name but had no time when I was just leaving the stage. btw: my personal website is: http://matthias.loibner.net dear Bernhard, sincere thanks for the organizing of the lavitsefpool. It was a pity only to stay for one night but Tunji and me enjoyed the relaxed atmosphere (among lots of loopers;-). and thank you, Andy Butler, for your beautiful music during our setting up. cheers, Matthias From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 30 13:32:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EE403BF3D; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:32:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=O0IgNdtNHTB0qPvFE5NRiRPmzCUZmQ0bqkQr0dD5YAf7RcxSEAJoU9S5DcEsCvulf5o4iADp2PpgfuJ7qaqr4oYcmjd6B9i6GuseiT6SaYHcwIgIETV2Ho3YU+vRVR2cB6j2iE8KzDCrVt2VJ3z42XUT9mnKyqlUYTmrV7bFKgc= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 06:32:10 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package In-Reply-To: <20050830102220.37140.qmail@web86703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050830020730.9FB8E3BF43@arsenic.violacea.com> <20050830102220.37140.qmail@web86703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:32:15 +0000 (UTC) In this case, "feedback" refers to the level of the already-recorded loop relative to the level of the material being overdubbed. Pedal looping devices tend to have this set to fixed, very high level, such as 90%, so your loop is always almost as loud as your input signal.=20 As a result, the loop just gets more and more dense until you turn it off. I think the Boomerang (with the software upgrade) is the only pedal looper that allows some flexibility in the feedback level. If you were to put the looper into overdub mode and not play anything, overdubbing silence, it would take twenty or thirty repetitions of the loop for it to fade out with the feedback level set to 90%. Another useful feature that most (if not all) pedal loopers lack is the ability to have the loop fade out without going into overdub, which would allow you to fade the loop while playing over it without recording any new information into the loop. If you're practicing soloing over the chord progression to "Hotel California" this isn't much of a concern, if you're performing in public then it's a really useful feature. The more advanced looping devices allow you to set the feedback level to whatever you want, anything from 0% (only one repeat) to almost 100% (nothing gets faded, unit soon overloads and distorts), often using a CV pedal so you do it in a hands-free manner while you're playing. This allows you to gradually transition the loop to a new loop in a non-abrupt manner, or to "thin out" the loop, allowing earlier layers to fade out. TravisH On 8/30/05, David Geraghty wrote: > I would certainly like to add that I don't think Jesse > meant any offence, I merely wanted to point out these > tools can still have a use. >=20 > Now, i've been looping with my gear for a while but i > am starting to notice you guys talking of having > feedback control. would anyone care to explain this to > me, in as simple terms as possible. i've tried > searching but i only find references to it, not an > actual, simple description... >=20 > Thank you > -david > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 30 13:57:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B055B3BF3D; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:57:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RxdeDoY7dTvLJVW3ZXt440TwcBktOZFA8GRewae5nPAUhNCp4vmawUHYIsLNfLErOBw4eyC4zrEaYwy80ZHmDu/G+BPVrKUP+h4EyLL3GsfBdeS85vzvx6HRmQd+KGBfBLwhzjH/Q97BY3J8KPewPjMJK0yAkqJqpkiOyxJyzLc= Message-ID: <64b81a780508300657764a5113@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 09:57:55 -0400 From: Todd Pafford To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: echoplex feedback problem with fcb1010 In-Reply-To: <002501c5ad39$c2e759d0$0201a8c0@mlimli> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <002501c5ad39$c2e759d0$0201a8c0@mlimli> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:57:56 +0000 (UTC) Adrian, Have you calibrated the FCB's expression pedals? Intructions for how to calibrate the pedals can be found on the FCB1010 yahoo group in the files section under "Help". I'll privately send you a copy of the PDF just to make life easier. :) Todd On 8/30/05, claude voit wrote: > first try to use the other pedal for feedback, then you'll know if its th= e > fcb that has a problem > (wich I suspect) >=20 > Claude >=20 >=20 >=20 > help! > if im in overdub mode and bring back the feedback level below 100% i cant > get it back up while in still in that mode. it just goes to 0% at the max > position of the expression pedal. if i leave overdub mode, it works > correctly again. > vol works fine on the other pedal. > ___ > Adrian Bartholomew > Leawood KS >=20 > From nobody@dante.bdp.it Tue Aug 30 13:59:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from dante.bdp.it (dante.indire.it [193.43.17.8]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFC7C3BF28; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:59:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dante.bdp.it (localhost [127.0.0.1] (may be forged)) by dante.bdp.it (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j7UDvbLD029452; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:57:37 +0200 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by dante.bdp.it (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id j7UDuRaB029184; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:56:27 +0200 Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:56:27 +0200 Message-Id: <200508301356.j7UDuRaB029184@dante.bdp.it> To: Subject: From: Dr.Owezime Nwachinemere Young From: owezime X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: RLSP Mailer From: Dr.Owezime Nwachinemere Young, Manager, Credit and Foreign Bills, Zenith International Bank Limited, Lagos-Nigeria. My name is Dr. Owezime Nwachinemere Young, the manager Credit and Foreign Bills of Zenith International Bank Limited of Nigeria. I am writing in respect of foreign customer of my bank with account number 14-255-2004/zib/t who died in a plane crash (Ethiopian Airline 961) with other passengers abroad. Since the death of this customer, I personally have watched with keen interest to see the next of kin but all has proved abortive as no one has come to claim his funds of US$15.5m (Fifteen Million, Five Hundred Thousand United States Dollars) which has been with my bank for a very long time. On this note I decided to seek for whose name shall be used as the next of kin as no one has come up to be the next of kin. In view of this I got your contact through my country's foreign trade mission after I was convinced by providence that your name could be used as the next of kin. The request of the foreigner as a next of kin in this business is occasioned by the fact that the customer was a foreigner and a Nigerian cannot stand as the next of kin to a foreigner. I agreed that 30% of this money will be for you as a foreign partner in respect of providing a new bank account or we can use your old account information, while the rest will be for me, thereafter, I will visit your country for disbursement as I am almost due for retirement. Therefore, to facilitate the immediate transfer of this fund to your account as arranged, you must apply first to the bank as a relation to the deceased indicating your private telephone number, and fax number for easy communication and location where the money will be remitted. Upon the receipt of your reply, I will send you by fax or e-mail the application and the next step to take. I will not fail to bring to your notice that this business is hitch-free and that you should not entertain any fear as the whole required arrangement has been made for the transfer. You should contact me immediately as soon as you receive this letter. Trusting to hear from you. Your respectfully, Dr. Owezime Nwachinemere Young. Please reply here: owezime_nwachi@e-milio.com ___________________________________________________________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 30 14:46:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D86303BF15; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:46:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: MARK YOUR CALENDARS: Three Upcoming Performances (two streamed to web) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:45:54 -0600 Message-ID: <00c201c5ad71$8957f5c0$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C3_01C5AD3F.3EBD85C0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SpamDetect: *: 1.772000 Uses a dotted-decimal IP address in URL=0.4,Uses non-standard port number for HTTP=1.3 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 142, in=402, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:46:06 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01C5AD3F.3EBD85C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MARK YOUR CALENDARS: Three Upcoming Performances (two streamed to web) 1. Krispen Hartung - Acoustic guitar & sitar, percussion, and vocals * What: Two hours of improvisational and avant-garde looping live at the venue & streamed to the web in real-time * Where: The Library Coffee House at 141 E. Carlton Ave, Meridian Idaho (USA) / (208) 288-1898 / http://www.librarycoffeehouse.com * When: Thursday, September 1, from 6:30 to 8:30pm U.S. Mountain Standard Time (5:30pm US Pacific Time, 7:30 US Central, 8:30pm US Eastern) / Time Zone Converter: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedform.html (use USA - Idaho - Boise) * Streamed to the web at: http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen" - limited to 30 listening seats, so it is a first come first serve basis) * Provide real-time feedback using instant messengers: Yahoo (kris_hartung), MSN (kris.hartung@hp.com), AOL (krispenhartung), or ICQ (272583693) * Recommended players are as follows: Windows users should use Winamp http://www.winamp.com/winamp/download / Mac users should use Audion http://www.panic.com/ppack/audion/index.html / Linux/X Windows users should use XMMS http://www.xmms.org * Please don't hesitate to email with any questions regarding system requirements, performance times, or stream access * Note: If for any reason you aren't able to access the steam, it probably means that I had technical difficulties at the venue with their WI-FI 2. Atman Soliloquy * Who: Krispen Hartung on acoustic guitar and sitar, Jamey Vink on bass, and Vincent Miresse on Didjeridu and percussion * What: World Fusion Music (with some minor looping of rhythm parts) * Where: Boise Center on the Grove, 850 W Front St, Boise Idaho (USA) * When: Saturday, September 3, from 12:30 to 1:00pm US Mountain Standard Time 3. Krispen Hartung - Acoustic guitar & sitar, percussion, and vocals * What: Two hours improvisational and avant-garde looping live at the venue & streamed to the web in real-time * Where: Moxie Java Silverston at 1630 S. Eagle Road, Meridian, Idaho (USA), / 208.888.4205 / http://www.moxiejavameridian.com/silverstone.html * When: Saturday, September 3, from 8:00 to 10:00pm U.S. Mountain Standard Time (7pm US Pacific Time, 9pm US Central, 10pm US Eastern) / Time Zone Converter: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedform.html (use USA - Idaho - Boise) * Streamed to the web at: http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on "Listen" - limited to 30 listening seats, so it is a first come first serve basis) * Provide real-time feedback using instant messengers: Yahoo (kris_hartung), MSN (kris.hartung@hp.com), AOL (krispenhartung), or ICQ (272583693) * Recommended players are as follows: Windows users should use Winamp http://www.winamp.com/winamp/download / Mac users should use Audion http://www.panic.com/ppack/audion/index.html / Linux/X Windows users should use XMMS http://www.xmms.org * Please don't hesitate to email with any questions regarding system requirements, performance times, or stream access * Note: If for any reason you aren't able to access the steam, it probably means that I had technical difficulties at the venue with their WI-FI ************************************************************************ ********************** Krispen Hartung Improvisational / Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603 Subscribe to email list: krispenhartung-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Performance Calendar: http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=performer&value=Krispen%20Hartu ng Gear setup: http://www.krispenhartung.com/gear.htm Over 80 free MP3s: http://www.krispenhartung.com/mp3.htm Music & Video Descent to Self: http://www.krispenhartung.com/descent Live at the Kulture Klatsch: http://www.krispenhartung.com/hartung&miresse Places: http://www.krispenhartung.com/cd.htm Assaults & Reprieves: http://www.krispenhartung.com/humesfork Microscopic Horrors: http://www.krispenhartung.com/dvd.htm Hartung Jazz Group: http://www.krispenhartung.com/hartungjazz Tougher Cupcakes: http://www.krispenhartung.com/toughercupcakes ------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01C5AD3F.3EBD85C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MARK YOUR CALENDARS: Three Upcoming Performances (two streamed to = web)

MARK YOUR CALENDARS: = Three Upcoming Performances (two streamed to web)

1. = Krispen Hartung - Acoustic guitar & sitar, percussion, and = vocals

  • What: = Two hours of improvisational and = avant-garde looping live at the = venue & streamed to the web in = real-time
  • Where: = The Library Coffee House at 141 = E. Carlton Ave, Meridian Idaho (USA) / (208) = 288-1898 / http://www.librarycoffeehouse.com
  • When: = Thursday, September 1, from 6:30 to = 8:30pm U.S. Mountain = Standard Time (5:30pm US Pacific Time, 7:30 US Central, 8:30pm US = Eastern) / Time Zone Converter: = http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedform.html (use = USA - Idaho - Boise)
  • Streamed to = the web at: http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on = "Listen"  - limited to 30 listening seats, so it is a = first come first serve basis)
  • Provide real-time = feedback using instant messengers: Yahoo (kris_hartung), MSN = (kris.hartung@hp.com), AOL (krispenhartung), or ICQ (272583693) =
  • Recommended = players are as follows: Windows users should use Winamp http://www.winamp.com/winamp/download / Mac users should = use Audion http://www.panic.com/ppack/audion/index.html / Linux/X = Windows users should use XMMS http://www.xmms.org
  • Please don't = hesitate to email with any questions regarding system requirements, = performance times, or stream access
  • Note: If for any = reason you aren't able to access the steam, it probably means that I had = technical difficulties at the venue with their WI-FI

2. = Atman Soliloquy

  • Who: Krispen = Hartung on acoustic guitar and sitar, Jamey Vink on bass, and Vincent = Miresse on Didjeridu and percussion
  • What: = World Fusion Music (with some minor looping of rhythm = parts)
  • Where: = Boise Center on the Grove, 850 W Front St, = Boise Idaho (USA)
  • When: = Saturday, September 3, from 12:30 to = 1:00pm US Mountain Standard = Time

3. = Krispen Hartung - Acoustic guitar & sitar, percussion, and = vocals

  • What: = Two hours improvisational and avant-garde = looping live at the venue = & streamed to the web in = real-time
  • Where: = Moxie Java Silverston at 1630 S. Eagle = Road, Meridian, Idaho (USA), / 208.888.4205 / http://www.moxiejavameridian.com/silverstone.html
  • When: = Saturday, September 3, from 8:00 to = 10:00pm U.S. Mountain = Standard Time (7pm US Pacific Time, 9pm US Central, 10pm US = Eastern) / Time Zone Converter: = http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedform.html (use = USA - Idaho - Boise)
  • Streamed to = the web at: http://216.12.162.58:9030/ (Click on = "Listen"  - limited to 30 listening seats, so it is a = first come first serve basis)
  • Provide real-time = feedback using instant messengers: Yahoo (kris_hartung), MSN = (kris.hartung@hp.com), AOL (krispenhartung), or ICQ (272583693) =
  • Recommended = players are as follows: Windows users should use Winamp http://www.winamp.com/winamp/download / Mac users should = use Audion http://www.panic.com/ppack/audion/index.html / Linux/X = Windows users should use XMMS http://www.xmms.org
  • Please don't = hesitate to email with any questions regarding system requirements, = performance times, or stream access
  • Note: If for any = reason you aren't able to access the steam, it probably means that I had = technical difficulties at the venue with their WI-FI

 
**********************************************************= ************************************
Krispen = Hartung
Improvisational / = Avant-Garde Looping Guitarist
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com / 208-724-5603
Subscribe to email list: = krispenhartung-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Performance Calendar:
http://www.mojam.com/concerts/search?key=3Dperformer&v= alue=3DKrispen%20Hartung
Gear setup: http://www.krispenhartung.com/gear.htm
Over 80 free MP3s: http://www.krispenhartung.com/mp3.htm
Music & = Video
Descent to = Self: http://www.krispenhartung.com/descent
Live at the Kulture Klatsch: = http://www.krispenhartung.com/hartung&miresse
Places: http://www.krispenhartung.com/cd.htm
Assaults & Reprieves: http://www.krispenhartung.com/humesfork
Microscopic Horrors: http://www.krispenhartung.com/dvd.htm
Hartung Jazz Group: http://www.krispenhartung.com/hartungjazz
Tougher Cupcakes: http://www.krispenhartung.com/toughercupcakes



------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01C5AD3F.3EBD85C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 30 17:08:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 723763BF18; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:08:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=v0WRldpgjuHdTIlgc/VmUjswYtoYZCuDfXmeV8ldN0pXsUWwJwdR/aY/uw6EPEqM3c3+RMVqMe4NlI7gRxmu+eju2v37IyWMq185sX8LZaMPczV/UNqWwRn3sSjTUR06fECAG8DsvoEYMEfD6/9y5l6k8XHC6u7X1gcAUqwslgY= ; Message-ID: <20050830170853.32241.qmail@web81309.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:08:53 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20050830102220.37140.qmail@web86703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:08:54 +0000 (UTC) Feedback control is... well control of the amount of feedback. At 100% feedback all the signal goes back into the delay line giving you loop that never lowers in volume. At anything less than 100% you get a slightly quieter repeat each time, like a very long echo. Toggling between 100 and a percentage less can give you the ability to have your loops evolve over time. What I like to do with the Repeater is start a stereo loop at 100% and when I like it, move to the next stereo pair and start a loop that's at 70% so one part is constant and the other is changing in relation to the first. Mark --- David Geraghty wrote: > I would certainly like to add that I don't think > Jesse > meant any offence, I merely wanted to point out > these > tools can still have a use. > > Now, i've been looping with my gear for a while but > i > am starting to notice you guys talking of having > feedback control. would anyone care to explain this > to > me, in as simple terms as possible. i've tried > searching but i only find references to it, not an > actual, simple description... > > Thank you > -david > > > From: Todd Howell > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, > > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: flexible looper in small packag > > > > I tend to agree with David on this. I've owned 2 > of > > the 3 loopers he mentions in his first paragraph > and > > the Boss DD-20. I believe creative spirit is the > > uniting factor on the list as opposed to price of > > device. Though I often dream of having a Repeater > > or the Hallowed EDP, things in real life like > work, > > school, mortgage, bills etc.. have often gotten in > > the way. > > > > I do see Jesse's point if he were implying the > > zenith of said looping equipment in most of our > > minds at least technologically and > demographically. > > Can you clarify for us Jesse? I don't think any > > insult was intended in the least. > > > > Still Lurking, > > > > Todd > > > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 30 17:12:51 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AA6B3BF28; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:12:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=M74ZbwWt56WUS+VT1b2vhsIhJmvCZFEX8op6xVczNDP22oGWmSoYsPbgmHpXAsvyUpl3etu7ecjanmXL2yk/SPJpZZ1NAKTq4jtihwIxyRrq1z6L4N3ANQcATI9JL3snVRkDvXEiSTtCJa5egR4V70UyGUZ0Vt4XRpe3++RDJGI= ; Message-ID: <20050830171250.94522.qmail@web81307.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 10:12:50 -0700 (PDT) From: mark sottilaro Subject: Re: flexible looper in small package To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:12:51 +0000 (UTC) --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > off. I think the Boomerang (with the software upgrade) is the only > pedal looper that allows some flexibility in the feedback level. Not true, the Gigadelay by Boss allows for this as well. At $179 it's a bargain in the looper world for sure. Mark ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 30 18:21:25 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AD2F3BF13; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:21:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_Z=FCrich_Loopfest?= Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:20:43 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1299025286.20050830152437@gmx.net> X-Spam-Processed: mpeters.de, Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:13:40 +0200 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 80.134.108.92 X-Return-Path: mp@mpeters.de X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-Message-ID: <-Nm06.A.quD.kOKFDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:21:24 +0000 (UTC) > sincere thanks for the organizing of the lavitsefpool at the end of the set of the Loibner/Beier-Duo, Tunji Beier asked us all if anyone knows the meaning of the word "lavitsefpool". Nobody knew what he was talking about. He asked again ... "lavitsefpool? lavitsefpool?" and then pressed a button and his loop machine played it backwards: "loopfestival". Argh! Lots of laughter. -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 30 19:50:33 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22F943BF1F; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:50:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.0.0.040405 Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:50:19 +0100 Subject: Re:EDP Footpedal Debouncer From: jeremy To: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20050830020730.B27333BF44@arsenic.violacea.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Authenticated-Sender: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:50:32 +0000 (UTC) Strange. If I understand correctly, the EDP footswitch input senses resistance across it and performs the function associated with that exact value.=20 When I=B9ve had mal triggering, either a double hit or the wrong function, it has been because I=B9ve had dirty switches and the resistance is so far off i= t initiates the wrong function. The other place I=B9ve seen a capacitor strapped across a switch is in the ignition circuit of cars where the capacitor soaks up the back emf long enough for the switch to open to far for arcing to occur there. I=B9m making another pedal set for my EDP =AD different switches and wider spacing. I=B9ll get photos up on my website when it=B9s done. Best wishes Jeremy http://www.masse.org.uk >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: a k butler > Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 19:24:12 +0100 > To: > Subject: Re:EDP Footpedal Debouncer? >=20 >>=20 >> Hi All. >> I have been frustrated with my EDP's tendency to bounce when I try to hi= t the >> pedal only once with my foot. I decided to try a slight mod to see if it >> would >> help...I soldered a 0.1 uF capacitor across the output pins of the >> pedal to make >> a very crude lowpass filter, hopefully reducing bounce. I just played wi= th it >> for about 20 minutes and the bouncing seems to have gone away, although = more >> testing will be needed to know for sure. >>=20 >> Has anyone done a mod like this before? I looked in the archives and cou= ldn't >> find any reference to it. >=20 > great idea. > Not heard it before. > Probably worth putting in those capacitors before the switches crap out. >=20 > andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Aug 30 20:01:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7EC43BF10; Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:01:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4314BB07.8000009@sarth.net> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:01:11 -0400 From: Sarth User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: GIG SPAM - NYC Live Looping References: <6C10D44E98457542ABE7DC4D89D96EBF01AD48@transdc1.t-l.no> In-Reply-To: <6C10D44E98457542ABE7DC4D89D96EBF01AD48@transdc1.t-l.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2XzjFC.A.ro.NsLFDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:01:17 +0000 (UTC) Hey all, come check out Lucibel Crater this thursday and next at nublu Thursday, September 1st & Thursday, September 8th LBC featuring live looping with kyma and more ... nublu 62 avenue C, btwn 4th and 5th 9 p.m. Thanks, Luci From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 31 01:38:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FB133BF02; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 01:38:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=DVxoHopeoKiaCS+5EQ1nSO4SQaaFhouxDTnaYxzohz3yNTA+oQOlNBIwqT5iZAb5; h=Received:Reply-To:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Reply-To: From: "ejyuhas" To: Subject: Santa Cruz Y2K5 Festival Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:38:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01C5ADAB.2E043E10" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <6C10D44E98457542ABE7DC4D89D96EBF01AD48@transdc1.t-l.no> Thread-Index: AcWtxh1/nsmKq5JgRICwmjimBRuQ9QAAzEVg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: 22b7a950aa3e6c4dd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc74bc16aa5a471db04d762c8d469b5a16350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 71.48.105.24 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 01:38:36 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C5ADAB.2E043E10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello gang! Is this festival still on? I haven't seen/heard much noise about it lately. I recall there was a dedicated website with pertinent info, such as venue, times, performers, etc. I am thinking about making the run from NJ. Peace. Ed in NJ ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C5ADAB.2E043E10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello = gang!

 =

Is this festival = still on? I haven’t seen/heard much noise about it = lately.

 =

I recall there = was a dedicated website with pertinent info, such as venue, times, performers, = etc.

 =

I am thinking = about making the run from NJ…

 =

Peace.=

 =

Ed in = NJ

 =

 =

------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C5ADAB.2E043E10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 31 11:32:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F2583BEEC; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:32:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:32:56 +0200 Subject: Echoplex Footpedal not responding From: Frederik Leroux-Roels To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <75gtV.A.BND.rVZFDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 11:32:59 +0000 (UTC) Hello, I've been having some problems with my Echoplex Footpedal lately and it's just a couple of months old. When I hit the Record button or Overdub button the unit often doesn't respond, or on some occasions it goes into Edit mode which is not cool at all. The thing is when I use the front panel of the unit to control the Echoplex everything is fine, so the problem must be caused by the Footpedal. I've been looking into the mailing archive but I can't find a solution over there. I tried using a different cable cause that seemed to have worked for some people, but it didn't change anything. What can I do? Is changing the switches an option? I haven't really stomped hard on them and the problem seems to have been there from the start. Could it be that the switches were faulty from the start? If I should give this a try what type of switches should I use to replace the old ones? Could someone give me some advice on this? I would really appreciate it! All the best, Frederik Leroux From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 31 13:16:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A02A93BEF4; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:16:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001201c5ae2e$38cc9f30$0400000a@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: Subject: Re: Echoplex Footpedal not responding Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:16:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:16:41 +0000 (UTC) more search would have found this: http://www.loopersdelight.com/tools/echoplex/echopedals.html > Hello, > > I've been having some problems with my Echoplex Footpedal lately and it's > just a couple of months old. > > When I hit the Record button or Overdub button the unit often doesn't > respond, or on some occasions it goes into Edit mode which is not cool at > all. The thing is when I use the front panel of the unit to control the > Echoplex everything is fine, so the problem must be caused by the > Footpedal. > > I've been looking into the mailing archive but I can't find a solution > over > there. I tried using a different cable cause that seemed to have worked > for > some people, but it didn't change anything. What can I do? Is changing > the > switches an option? I haven't really stomped hard on them and the problem > seems to have been there from the start. Could it be that the switches > were > faulty from the start? If I should give this a try what type of switches > should I use to replace the old ones? Could someone give me some advice > on > this? I would really appreciate it! > > All the best, > > Frederik Leroux > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 31 15:35:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7986B3BEE7; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:35:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003601c5ae41$95468060$ef8cd255@homemain> From: "Dan Mayfield" To: References: Subject: Zurich Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:35:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:35:22 +0000 (UTC) Hi all Just a note to say thanks to everyone I met in Zurich, it was wonderful watching everyone play and sharing thoughts and ideas. Huge thanks to Bernhard for masterminding such an event. Different instruments, different generes, different equipment, different use of equipment, common denominator we all use loops! unique p.s Is there a way we could setup sharing photos of the festival with each other? Cheers Dan www.danmayfield.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 31 15:46:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A50ED3BEF5; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:46:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-961960817 Message-Id: <1b9bb10798a5172e7af51c4147629d19@bartholomusic.com> From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: Echoplex Footpedal not responding Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 10:46:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Spam-Score: 1.582 (DATE_IN_PAST_96_XX) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 66.226.64.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:46:17 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-961960817 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed the edp footpedal is badly designed. i have seen posts that suggests that it uses different resistances in the switches that the brain translates to decide which function to perform. dumb idea. anything could throw that off. dirty switches, interference etc. maybe its not even debounced adequately as someone also had some luck with putting capacitance across it. either way its very unreliable. frightening to depend on onstage. all u can do is clean it with contact cleaner and say 3 hail marys. GET A MIDI FOOTPEDAL. the behringer FCB1010 is the choice of most including mine for versatility, price and reliability. ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Aug 31, 2005, at 6:32 AM, Frederik Leroux-Roels wrote: > Hello, > > I've been having some problems with my Echoplex Footpedal lately and > it's > just a couple of months old. > > When I hit the Record button or Overdub button the unit often doesn't > respond, or on some occasions it goes into Edit mode which is not cool > at > all. The thing is when I use the front panel of the unit to control > the > Echoplex everything is fine, so the problem must be caused by the > Footpedal. > > I've been looking into the mailing archive but I can't find a solution > over > there. I tried using a different cable cause that seemed to have > worked for > some people, but it didn't change anything. What can I do? Is > changing the > switches an option? I haven't really stomped hard on them and the > problem > seems to have been there from the start. Could it be that the > switches were > faulty from the start? If I should give this a try what type of > switches > should I use to replace the old ones? Could someone give me some > advice on > this? I would really appreciate it! > > All the best, > > Frederik Leroux > > --Apple-Mail-2-961960817 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII the edp footpedal is badly designed. i have seen posts that suggests that it uses different resistances in the switches that the brain translates to decide which function to perform. dumb idea. anything could throw that off. dirty switches, interference etc. maybe its not even debounced adequately as someone also had some luck with putting capacitance across it. either way its very unreliable. frightening to depend on onstage. all u can do is clean it with contact cleaner and say 3 hail marys. GET A MIDI FOOTPEDAL. the behringer FCB1010 is the choice of most including mine for versatility, price and reliability. ___7979,0404,0909 Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Aug 31, 2005, at 6:32 AM, Frederik Leroux-Roels wrote: Hello, I've been having some problems with my Echoplex Footpedal lately and it's just a couple of months old. When I hit the Record button or Overdub button the unit often doesn't respond, or on some occasions it goes into Edit mode which is not cool at all. The thing is when I use the front panel of the unit to control the Echoplex everything is fine, so the problem must be caused by the Footpedal. I've been looking into the mailing archive but I can't find a solution over there. I tried using a different cable cause that seemed to have worked for some people, but it didn't change anything. What can I do? Is changing the switches an option? I haven't really stomped hard on them and the problem seems to have been there from the start. Could it be that the switches were faulty from the start? If I should give this a try what type of switches should I use to replace the old ones? Could someone give me some advice on this? I would really appreciate it! All the best, Frederik Leroux --Apple-Mail-2-961960817-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 31 16:08:03 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C7F33BEFB; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:08:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=fg5Cqfrg34iWG1NXNK0/AOlrFwVc98OkCYL3Tm0FQLkaiPXLBDMvE8cOpxxsmgdbbw5hdpe/bL1xd3I7PAB/et4mShQhZP4kc/E4I0nf6NlN2D7AQNlB471U9ilH4JaXxsnRL9XjmsrALQwtczJUA8HK6qDyRveACftj0nMSTPc= ; Message-ID: <20050831160800.56778.qmail@web50803.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:07:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Wind Stick Devil Subject: Re: Zurich To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003601c5ae41$95468060$ef8cd255@homemain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1901213580-1125504479=:52938" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:08:03 +0000 (UTC) --0-1901213580-1125504479=:52938 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit << Is there a way we could setup sharing photos of the festival with each other? >> Especially ones of "hotties"! (if any). Dan Mayfield wrote: Hi all Just a note to say thanks to everyone I met in Zurich, it was wonderful watching everyone play and sharing thoughts and ideas. Huge thanks to Bernhard for masterminding such an event. Different instruments, different generes, different equipment, different use of equipment, common denominator we all use loops! unique p.s Is there a way we could setup sharing photos of the festival with each other? Cheers Dan www.danmayfield.com --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-1901213580-1125504479=:52938 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
<< Is there a way we could setup sharing photos of the festival with each
other? >>
 
Especially ones of "hotties"! (if any).


Dan Mayfield <contact@danmayfield.com> wrote:
Hi all

Just a note to say thanks to everyone I met in Zurich, it was wonderful
watching everyone play and sharing thoughts and ideas. Huge thanks to
Bernhard for masterminding such an event.

Different instruments, different generes, different equipment, different use
of equipment, common denominator we all use loops! unique

p.s
Is there a way we could setup sharing photos of the festival with each
other?

Cheers
Dan
www.danmayfield.com


Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page --0-1901213580-1125504479=:52938-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 31 17:00:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB8573BEF5; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:00:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KiOWO8PZZT3PCrebE8C5g39p1vKq2+oDtYzWg/S3IFzCzqhwXTuOW+AVbqAVB9waKrteTOKJ2slAX0G1bMOdBEJtIZECRqQVw4xZzCzu6xBndcfM0dLT7/Fw/S5GTiJjcF66JJZE1XVaf8nLz9Q2olSa0SsvkBPOf7UlIoyhiE0= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 10:00:46 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex Footpedal not responding In-Reply-To: <1b9bb10798a5172e7af51c4147629d19@bartholomusic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <1b9bb10798a5172e7af51c4147629d19@bartholomusic.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:00:47 +0000 (UTC) The EDP footpedal isn't badly designed, but it's not perfect. The resistance based control method isn't as fragile or error prone as you might think and it does allow for people to easily make custom controllers in different form factors (although few people did so), and also allows for easy end-user repair of the foot controller. Remember that the footpedal design is about ten years old, and there were no cheap Behringer MIDI controllers back then. For people that want immediate access to the most of the core features of EDP without the programming issues of a MIDI controller and/or who can't spare the floorspace the Behringer requires, the EDP footcontroller is a very useful tool. It also helps to remember that "stompbox" is a nickname, not an operating instruction. TravisH On 8/31/02, Adrian Bartholomew wrote: > the edp footpedal is badly designed. i have seen posts that suggests > that it uses different resistances in the switches that the brain > translates to decide which function to perform. dumb idea. anything > could throw that off. dirty switches, interference etc. maybe its not > even debounced adequately as someone also had some luck with putting > capacitance across it. either way its very unreliable. frightening to > depend on onstage. > all u can do is clean it with contact cleaner and say 3 hail marys. > GET A MIDI FOOTPEDAL. > the behringer FCB1010 is the choice of most including mine for > versatility, price and reliability. >=20 > ___ > Adrian Bartholomew > Leawood KS > On Aug 31, 2005, at 6:32 AM, Frederik Leroux-Roels wrote: > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 31 19:35:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A12B53BEEE; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:35:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: <1b9bb10798a5172e7af51c4147629d19@bartholomusic.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-975710330 Message-Id: <04154c20de11606ab5b1a2b6984b4ed9@bartholomusic.com> From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: Echoplex Footpedal not responding Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 14:35:17 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Spam-Score: 1.582 (DATE_IN_PAST_96_XX) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 66.226.64.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:35:32 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-975710330 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed 1---u need PERFECTION onstage. period. reliability is key. who wants to be embarrased or have to compromise creativity? anything less.... is a "bad" design, whatever the reason. 2---if u dont have floorspace for the edp pedal, u wont have it for the 1010 either. neither will fit into any conventional pedalbox. design and adapt to what u need for ur act. ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Aug 31, 2005, at 12:00 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > The EDP footpedal isn't badly designed, but it's not perfect. The > resistance based control method isn't as fragile or error prone as you > might think and it does allow for people to easily make custom > controllers in different form factors (although few people did so), > and also allows for easy end-user repair of the foot controller. > > Remember that the footpedal design is about ten years old, and there > were no cheap Behringer MIDI controllers back then. For people that > want immediate access to the most of the core features of EDP without > the programming issues of a MIDI controller and/or who can't spare the > floorspace the Behringer requires, the EDP footcontroller is a very > useful tool. > > It also helps to remember that "stompbox" is a nickname, not an > operating instruction. > > TravisH > > On 8/31/02, Adrian Bartholomew wrote: >> the edp footpedal is badly designed. i have seen posts that suggests >> that it uses different resistances in the switches that the brain >> translates to decide which function to perform. dumb idea. anything >> could throw that off. dirty switches, interference etc. maybe its not >> even debounced adequately as someone also had some luck with putting >> capacitance across it. either way its very unreliable. frightening to >> depend on onstage. >> all u can do is clean it with contact cleaner and say 3 hail marys. >> GET A MIDI FOOTPEDAL. >> the behringer FCB1010 is the choice of most including mine for >> versatility, price and reliability. >> >> ___ >> Adrian Bartholomew >> Leawood KS >> On Aug 31, 2005, at 6:32 AM, Frederik Leroux-Roels wrote: >> > > --Apple-Mail-1-975710330 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII 1---u need PERFECTION onstage. period. reliability is key. who wants to be embarrased or have to compromise creativity? anything less.... is a "bad" design, whatever the reason. 2---if u dont have floorspace for the edp pedal, u wont have it for the 1010 either. neither will fit into any conventional pedalbox. design and adapt to what u need for ur act. ___7979,0404,0909 Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Aug 31, 2005, at 12:00 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: The EDP footpedal isn't badly designed, but it's not perfect. The resistance based control method isn't as fragile or error prone as you might think and it does allow for people to easily make custom controllers in different form factors (although few people did so), and also allows for easy end-user repair of the foot controller. Remember that the footpedal design is about ten years old, and there were no cheap Behringer MIDI controllers back then. For people that want immediate access to the most of the core features of EDP without the programming issues of a MIDI controller and/or who can't spare the floorspace the Behringer requires, the EDP footcontroller is a very useful tool. It also helps to remember that "stompbox" is a nickname, not an operating instruction. TravisH On 8/31/02, Adrian Bartholomew < wrote: the edp footpedal is badly designed. i have seen posts that suggests that it uses different resistances in the switches that the brain translates to decide which function to perform. dumb idea. anything could throw that off. dirty switches, interference etc. maybe its not even debounced adequately as someone also had some luck with putting capacitance across it. either way its very unreliable. frightening to depend on onstage. all u can do is clean it with contact cleaner and say 3 hail marys. GET A MIDI FOOTPEDAL. the behringer FCB1010 is the choice of most including mine for versatility, price and reliability. ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Aug 31, 2005, at 6:32 AM, Frederik Leroux-Roels wrote: --Apple-Mail-1-975710330-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 31 19:50:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 755023BEF1; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:50:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nico spahni Subject: minimized loop setup revisited Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:50:53 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:50:07 +0000 (UTC) I'd like to take Rainer's idea of a minimized loop setup one step further. I'm asking for nothing less than the portable loop setup for guitar players, i.e. a loop setup - including amplification! - that is transportable without a car (, which I happen not to have...). The setup I have in mind is comprised of the following hardware components: laptop computer (Apple PowerBook, 1.25Ghz, OS 10.3.9) amplifier (Roland AC-60) audio interface (M-Audio Fast Track) midi interface (Emagic MT4) midi foot controller (haven't found the right one yet) The requirements in a nutshell: loop facilities possibility to insert AU plugIns midi control of looper midi control of plugIns (mainly on/off) on-the-fly record function to record master out I've been toying around with various software products and foot controllers but haven't been successful in implementing all the above requirements. Especially midi controllability seems to a tough nut to crack. I'm looking forward to any comments on this. Cheers Nico From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 31 19:54:06 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACC7D3BEE2; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:54:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <43160ADB.7000709@pdq.net> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:54:03 -0500 From: Doug Cox User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex Footpedal not responding References: <1b9bb10798a5172e7af51c4147629d19@bartholomusic.com> <04154c20de11606ab5b1a2b6984b4ed9@bartholomusic.com> In-Reply-To: <04154c20de11606ab5b1a2b6984b4ed9@bartholomusic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:54:06 +0000 (UTC) I use the native EDP controller, on a pedalboard, live onstage with a band. Never had an issue. I have even modified my native EDP controller to swtch between my 2 EDPs. Still no issues. The FCB1010 is 27 inches wide. The EDP controller is approximately 18 inches (don't have one in front of me). I agree - design and adapt to what you need. But operate on the facts. Doug Adrian Bartholomew wrote: > 1---u need PERFECTION onstage. period. reliability is key. who wants > to be embarrased or have to compromise creativity? anything less.... > is a "bad" design, whatever the reason. > 2---if u dont have floorspace for the edp pedal, u wont have it for > the 1010 either. neither will fit into any conventional pedalbox. > design and adapt to what u need for ur act. > > ___* > Adrian Bartholomew > *Leawood KS > On Aug 31, 2005, at 12:00 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > The EDP footpedal isn't badly designed, but it's not perfect. The > resistance based control method isn't as fragile or error prone as > you > might think and it does allow for people to easily make custom > controllers in different form factors (although few people did so), > and also allows for easy end-user repair of the foot controller. > > Remember that the footpedal design is about ten years old, and there > were no cheap Behringer MIDI controllers back then. For people that > want immediate access to the most of the core features of EDP without > the programming issues of a MIDI controller and/or who can't spare > the > floorspace the Behringer requires, the EDP footcontroller is a very > useful tool. > > It also helps to remember that "stompbox" is a nickname, not an > operating instruction. > > TravisH > > On 8/31/02, Adrian Bartholomew wrote: > > the edp footpedal is badly designed. i have seen posts that > suggests > that it uses different resistances in the switches that the brain > translates to decide which function to perform. dumb idea. > anything > could throw that off. dirty switches, interference etc. maybe > its not > even debounced adequately as someone also had some luck with > putting > capacitance across it. either way its very unreliable. > frightening to > depend on onstage. > all u can do is clean it with contact cleaner and say 3 hail > marys. > GET A MIDI FOOTPEDAL. > the behringer FCB1010 is the choice of most including mine for > versatility, price and reliability. > > ___ > Adrian Bartholomew > Leawood KS > On Aug 31, 2005, at 6:32 AM, Frederik Leroux-Roels wrote: > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 31 20:01:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75F7A3BEF5; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:01:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: <43160ADB.7000709@pdq.net> References: <1b9bb10798a5172e7af51c4147629d19@bartholomusic.com> <04154c20de11606ab5b1a2b6984b4ed9@bartholomusic.com> <43160ADB.7000709@pdq.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-977297962 Message-Id: From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: Echoplex Footpedal not responding Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 15:01:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Spam-Score: 1.582 (DATE_IN_PAST_96_XX) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 66.226.64.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:01:55 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-977297962 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed i stand corrected about the edp in pedalboard thing. i didnt state any other facts. but u DID adapt and made a pedalboard to fit ur edp didnt u? plus the 1010 COMES with 2 expression controllers. is it that u dont have cont controller pedals that also take up space? PLUS, with more buttons on the 1010 than the native edp, u could have the extra ones change programs on ur midi effect unit(s) if u have. seems like a worthwhile footprint investment to me. ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Aug 31, 2005, at 2:54 PM, Doug Cox wrote: > I use the native EDP controller, on a pedalboard, live onstage with a > band. Never had an issue. I have even modified my native EDP > controller to swtch between my 2 EDPs. Still no issues. > > The FCB1010 is 27 inches wide. The EDP controller is approximately 18 > inches (don't have one in front of me). > I agree - design and adapt to what you need. But operate on the facts. > > Doug > > Adrian Bartholomew wrote: > >> 1---u need PERFECTION onstage. period. reliability is key. who wants >> to be embarrased or have to compromise creativity? anything less.... >> is a "bad" design, whatever the reason. >> 2---if u dont have floorspace for the edp pedal, u wont have it for >> the 1010 either. neither will fit into any conventional pedalbox. >> design and adapt to what u need for ur act. >> >> ___* >> Adrian Bartholomew >> *Leawood KS >> On Aug 31, 2005, at 12:00 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: >> >> The EDP footpedal isn't badly designed, but it's not perfect. The >> resistance based control method isn't as fragile or error prone as >> you >> might think and it does allow for people to easily make custom >> controllers in different form factors (although few people did >> so), >> and also allows for easy end-user repair of the foot controller. >> >> Remember that the footpedal design is about ten years old, and >> there >> were no cheap Behringer MIDI controllers back then. For people >> that >> want immediate access to the most of the core features of EDP >> without >> the programming issues of a MIDI controller and/or who can't spare >> the >> floorspace the Behringer requires, the EDP footcontroller is a >> very >> useful tool. >> >> It also helps to remember that "stompbox" is a nickname, not an >> operating instruction. >> >> TravisH >> >> On 8/31/02, Adrian Bartholomew wrote: >> >> the edp footpedal is badly designed. i have seen posts that >> suggests >> that it uses different resistances in the switches that the >> brain >> translates to decide which function to perform. dumb idea. >> anything >> could throw that off. dirty switches, interference etc. maybe >> its not >> even debounced adequately as someone also had some luck with >> putting >> capacitance across it. either way its very unreliable. >> frightening to >> depend on onstage. >> all u can do is clean it with contact cleaner and say 3 hail >> marys. >> GET A MIDI FOOTPEDAL. >> the behringer FCB1010 is the choice of most including mine for >> versatility, price and reliability. >> >> ___ >> Adrian Bartholomew >> Leawood KS >> On Aug 31, 2005, at 6:32 AM, Frederik Leroux-Roels wrote: >> >> >> > --Apple-Mail-3-977297962 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII i stand corrected about the edp in pedalboard thing. i didnt state any other facts. but u DID adapt and made a pedalboard to fit ur edp didnt u? plus the 1010 COMES with 2 expression controllers. is it that u dont have cont controller pedals that also take up space? PLUS, with more buttons on the 1010 than the native edp, u could have the extra ones change programs on ur midi effect unit(s) if u have. seems like a worthwhile footprint investment to me. ___7979,0404,0909 Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Aug 31, 2005, at 2:54 PM, Doug Cox wrote: I use the native EDP controller, on a pedalboard, live onstage with a band. Never had an issue. I have even modified my native EDP controller to swtch between my 2 EDPs. Still no issues. The FCB1010 is 27 inches wide. The EDP controller is approximately 18 inches (don't have one in front of me). I agree - design and adapt to what you need. But operate on the facts. Doug Adrian Bartholomew wrote: 1---u need PERFECTION onstage. period. reliability is key. who wants to be embarrased or have to compromise creativity? anything less.... is a "bad" design, whatever the reason. 2---if u dont have floorspace for the edp pedal, u wont have it for the 1010 either. neither will fit into any conventional pedalbox. design and adapt to what u need for ur act. ___* Adrian Bartholomew *Leawood KS On Aug 31, 2005, at 12:00 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: The EDP footpedal isn't badly designed, but it's not perfect. The resistance based control method isn't as fragile or error prone as you might think and it does allow for people to easily make custom controllers in different form factors (although few people did so), and also allows for easy end-user repair of the foot controller. Remember that the footpedal design is about ten years old, and there were no cheap Behringer MIDI controllers back then. For people that want immediate access to the most of the core features of EDP without the programming issues of a MIDI controller and/or who can't spare the floorspace the Behringer requires, the EDP footcontroller is a very useful tool. It also helps to remember that "stompbox" is a nickname, not an operating instruction. TravisH On 8/31/02, Adrian Bartholomew < wrote: the edp footpedal is badly designed. i have seen posts that suggests that it uses different resistances in the switches that the brain translates to decide which function to perform. dumb idea. anything could throw that off. dirty switches, interference etc. maybe its not even debounced adequately as someone also had some luck with putting capacitance across it. either way its very unreliable. frightening to depend on onstage. all u can do is clean it with contact cleaner and say 3 hail marys. GET A MIDI FOOTPEDAL. the behringer FCB1010 is the choice of most including mine for versatility, price and reliability. ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Aug 31, 2005, at 6:32 AM, Frederik Leroux-Roels wrote: --Apple-Mail-3-977297962-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 31 20:02:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76EF33BEFA; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:02:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-977319325 Message-Id: From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: minimized loop setup revisited Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 15:02:06 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Spam-Score: 1.582 (DATE_IN_PAST_96_XX) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 66.226.64.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:02:13 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4-977319325 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed nice name ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Aug 31, 2005, at 2:50 PM, nico spahni wrote: > I'd like to take Rainer's idea of a minimized loop setup one step > further. I'm asking for nothing less than the portable loop setup for > guitar players, i.e. a loop setup - including amplification! - that is > transportable without a car (, which I happen not to have...). > > The setup I have in mind is comprised of the following hardware > components: > > laptop computer (Apple PowerBook, 1.25Ghz, OS 10.3.9) > amplifier (Roland AC-60) > audio interface (M-Audio Fast Track) > midi interface (Emagic MT4) > midi foot controller (haven't found the right one yet) > > The requirements in a nutshell: > > loop facilities > possibility to insert AU plugIns > midi control of looper > midi control of plugIns (mainly on/off) > on-the-fly record function to record master out > > I've been toying around with various software products and foot > controllers but haven't been successful in implementing all the above > requirements. Especially midi controllability seems to a tough nut to > crack. > > I'm looking forward to any comments on this. > > Cheers > > Nico > --Apple-Mail-4-977319325 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII nice name ___7979,0404,0909 Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Aug 31, 2005, at 2:50 PM, nico spahni wrote: I'd like to take Rainer's idea of a minimized loop setup one step further. I'm asking for nothing less than the portable loop setup for guitar players, i.e. a loop setup - including amplification! - that is transportable without a car (, which I happen not to have...). The setup I have in mind is comprised of the following hardware components: laptop computer (Apple PowerBook, 1.25Ghz, OS 10.3.9) amplifier (Roland AC-60) audio interface (M-Audio Fast Track) midi interface (Emagic MT4) midi foot controller (haven't found the right one yet) The requirements in a nutshell: loop facilities possibility to insert AU plugIns midi control of looper midi control of plugIns (mainly on/off) on-the-fly record function to record master out I've been toying around with various software products and foot controllers but haven't been successful in implementing all the above requirements. Especially midi controllability seems to a tough nut to crack. I'm looking forward to any comments on this. Cheers Nico --Apple-Mail-4-977319325-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 31 20:53:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAF653BEF1; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:53:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uMz5GilRTCrGNGVIVGMgRp2zP8Ar8lSuhuZ0xWyzx2jR3PxgqLMy5DIDOyAjX1s9LzD8Qb/D66fL42N67vPFQrE+WqEEF2FZnlK2sPdQLt/AFsIDS/iDtkxjNt7zlxi44e++MCYcDS+tv4M0WJTznCN59Bo01Bsyqb6BUbosRXg= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:53:53 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex Footpedal not responding In-Reply-To: <04154c20de11606ab5b1a2b6984b4ed9@bartholomusic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <1b9bb10798a5172e7af51c4147629d19@bartholomusic.com> <04154c20de11606ab5b1a2b6984b4ed9@bartholomusic.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7V-ifB.A.31H.ijhFDB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:53:54 +0000 (UTC) Nothing's "perfect" on stage. I've done hundreds of shows with the EDP foot controller and it's been quite acceptable. I have MIDI controllers that also get unreliable when they get dirt in the contacts, and I've had them drop memory right before a show. I even have to retune my guitar every few songs, but I'm still using it. I've had more EDP failures due to thermal issues on warm stages (and no more than a dozen of those over many years) than I've had non-recoverable footcontroller issues. If the Behringer works for you, great, but this FUD regarding the EDP foot controller is unwarranted. TravisH On 8/31/02, Adrian Bartholomew wrote: > 1---u need PERFECTION onstage. period. reliability is key. who wants to > be embarrased or have to compromise creativity? anything less.... is a > "bad" design, whatever the reason. > 2---if u dont have floorspace for the edp pedal, u wont have it for the > 1010 either. neither will fit into any conventional pedalbox. design > and adapt to what u need for ur act. >=20 > ___ > Adrian Bartholomew > Leawood KS > On Aug 31, 2005, at 12:00 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 31 21:04:54 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 440EE3BEF5; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:04:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: "Looper's Delight Mailing List" Subject: overcoming fixed feedback ratios for e.g. DL4 Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 23:06:11 +0200 Message-ID: <000f01c5ae6f$d1699e50$0901a8c0@SUCCUBUS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:04:54 +0000 (UTC) has anyone ever tried the following: Take a DL4 and a volume pedal. Go from your source to the DL4s left input from your DL4s left output to your sink from your DL4s right output to the volume pedal and from your volume pedal back to your DL4s right input. Now comes the tricky part: Take one of the cables between DL4 and volume pedal (say, the pedal from the DL4 to the volume pedal) and exchange the signal and ground wires on one end. My idea: the loop acts as a feedback loop in addition to the DL4 looper's internal feedback (which is preset to 0.9), only that it's inverse feedback. So by having your volume pedal in the heel position, you get 0.9+0=0.9 feedback. With the pedal in the toe position, you get 0.9-1.0=-0.1. And with the in-between positions, you get everything in between, meaning no feedback over a little bit of feedback up to high feedback values. Adding a switch to switch the polarity back on the modified wire, you could even realize feedback values up to and in excess of 1. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 31 21:42:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B9913BEF4; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:42:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: <1b9bb10798a5172e7af51c4147629d19@bartholomusic.com> <04154c20de11606ab5b1a2b6984b4ed9@bartholomusic.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-983357129 Message-Id: <6859f4cc778622513846e2549e2428cb@bartholomusic.com> From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: Echoplex Footpedal not responding Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 16:42:44 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Spam-Score: 1.582 (DATE_IN_PAST_96_XX) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 66.226.64.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:42:50 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5-983357129 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed consider urself fortunate. like the other person complaining about his edp fc, (and ive said nothing of my personal experience so far), i also have unacceptable reliability with mine. maybe "perfection" is a word that has no meaning so i will requote. the probability of the edp controller becoming unreliable over time is too high for serious stage performance. ANY electronic unit is suseptable to problems due to relativly extreme thermal, humid and electro-magnetic environments. nothing in my extensive rack has ever gone bad and i used to live in trinidad (caribbean) where it is 90 deg and 80-99% humidity YEAR ROUND. u can backup ur edp fc all u want but at the end of the day i want other potential users to know that u are LUCKY. ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Aug 31, 2005, at 3:53 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Nothing's "perfect" on stage. I've done hundreds of shows with the > EDP foot controller and it's been quite acceptable. I have MIDI > controllers that also get unreliable when they get dirt in the > contacts, and I've had them drop memory right before a show. I even > have to retune my guitar every few songs, but I'm still using it. > > I've had more EDP failures due to thermal issues on warm stages (and > no more than a dozen of those over many years) than I've had > non-recoverable footcontroller issues. If the Behringer works for > you, great, but this FUD regarding the EDP foot controller is > unwarranted. > > > TravisH > > On 8/31/02, Adrian Bartholomew wrote: >> 1---u need PERFECTION onstage. period. reliability is key. who wants >> to >> be embarrased or have to compromise creativity? anything less.... is a >> "bad" design, whatever the reason. >> 2---if u dont have floorspace for the edp pedal, u wont have it for >> the >> 1010 either. neither will fit into any conventional pedalbox. design >> and adapt to what u need for ur act. >> >> ___ >> Adrian Bartholomew >> Leawood KS >> On Aug 31, 2005, at 12:00 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > --Apple-Mail-5-983357129 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII consider urself fortunate. like the other person complaining about his edp fc, (and ive said nothing of my personal experience so far), i also have unacceptable reliability with mine. maybe "perfection" is a word that has no meaning so i will requote. the probability of the edp controller becoming unreliable over time is too high for serious stage performance. ANY electronic unit is suseptable to problems due to relativly extreme thermal, humid and electro-magnetic environments. nothing in my extensive rack has ever gone bad and i used to live in trinidad (caribbean) where it is 90 deg and 80-99% humidity YEAR ROUND. u can backup ur edp fc all u want but at the end of the day i want other potential users to know that u are LUCKY. ___7979,0404,0909 Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Aug 31, 2005, at 3:53 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: Nothing's "perfect" on stage. I've done hundreds of shows with the EDP foot controller and it's been quite acceptable. I have MIDI controllers that also get unreliable when they get dirt in the contacts, and I've had them drop memory right before a show. I even have to retune my guitar every few songs, but I'm still using it. I've had more EDP failures due to thermal issues on warm stages (and no more than a dozen of those over many years) than I've had non-recoverable footcontroller issues. If the Behringer works for you, great, but this FUD regarding the EDP foot controller is unwarranted. TravisH On 8/31/02, Adrian Bartholomew < wrote: 1---u need PERFECTION onstage. period. reliability is key. who wants to be embarrased or have to compromise creativity? anything less.... is a "bad" design, whatever the reason. 2---if u dont have floorspace for the edp pedal, u wont have it for the 1010 either. neither will fit into any conventional pedalbox. design and adapt to what u need for ur act. ___ Adrian Bartholomew Leawood KS On Aug 31, 2005, at 12:00 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: --Apple-Mail-5-983357129-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 31 21:44:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A7603BEF4; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:44:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Kris Hartung" To: Subject: RE: Echoplex Footpedal not responding Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:44:45 -0600 Message-ID: <014c01c5ae75$3752ff40$6601a8c0@khartung> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 145, in=418, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.116.75.59 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:44:59 +0000 (UTC) Funny example: I setup my Behringer to control my EDPs, and was all jacked because I could do half speed, etc....in fact, Travis, I was playing at Smokey Mountain Pizza the week after you. I started to plug in my MIDI cable into the Behringer and it jammed....#$&!@*!$! Spent 20 minutes trying to figure it out, sweating bullets, and luckily had my EDP controller with me. However, I had to spend another 5 minutes bringing up an email on my laptop with the settings to program my EDP back to work with the EDP controller....sweating even more bullets, like a Gatling gun, in fact. At this point, the thought swimmed across my mind for a nano-second...if I only had my old Boss RC-20 or Boomerang right now. I said this as my laptop rebooted and played the Microsoft Windows intro sound at a freakin' 120 db through my PA...scared the shit out of me and the audience...almost made me sick, in fact, because that sound just makes me think of work. :) Then the EDPs were acting up big time...when I hit the record button to end/start a loop, it would make a huge leap in volume, again, scaring the shit out of me and the audience....odd bug with the EDPs, actually. I fixed it after powering down and up the EDPs one more time. Okay, I'm 20 minutes into the gig, and I am so discombobulated that I lose all my creative inspiration and end up playing boring jazz progressions for the remainder of the set, noodling over those as I curse under my breath.....JUST to get me to my set break. Ahhhhh....gulped down a few free pints of dark beer, sat down, and all is a peace with the world. Let the real improv begin!!! I'll teach you gear....loop this shit. Cripes, I love EDPs and looping. Kris -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 2:54 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex Footpedal not responding Nothing's "perfect" on stage. I've done hundreds of shows with the EDP foot controller and it's been quite acceptable. I have MIDI controllers that also get unreliable when they get dirt in the contacts, and I've had them drop memory right before a show. I even have to retune my guitar every few songs, but I'm still using it. I've had more EDP failures due to thermal issues on warm stages (and no more than a dozen of those over many years) than I've had non-recoverable footcontroller issues. If the Behringer works for you, great, but this FUD regarding the EDP foot controller is unwarranted. TravisH On 8/31/02, Adrian Bartholomew wrote: > 1---u need PERFECTION onstage. period. reliability is key. who wants > to be embarrased or have to compromise creativity? anything less.... > is a "bad" design, whatever the reason. 2---if u dont have floorspace > for the edp pedal, u wont have it for the 1010 either. neither will > fit into any conventional pedalbox. design and adapt to what u need > for ur act. > > ___ > Adrian Bartholomew > Leawood KS > On Aug 31, 2005, at 12:00 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 31 22:01:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EC7C3BEF3; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:01:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <06f301c5ae77$98128920$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Zurich Loopfest Diary Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:01:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:01:47 +0000 (UTC) I just got home from the Zurich loopfest, exhilirated and exhausted (22 hours of travel time home to California)! I had a fantastic time and feel so inspired to create and so turned on to new techniques and ideas that I saw at the show, at the workshops and just jamming a lot (with Andy, Per,Bernhard, Michael, Thomas, Rolf, Matthias and Bill). Michael Shieffel's fantastic show also was the coolest multiple use of the EDP that I have seen so far. He has mapped all the functions out to a midi keyboard and did a wonderful, spontaneous, funny, moving and beautiful set with just his voice. Astonishing. Bernhard Wagner just really set the bar high for future looping festivals. So many thanks go to him and also to the great crew that he assembled to pull off the festival. Also huge thanks go to Matthias Grob for hosting a wonderful stay for the loopers in his cabin in beautiful Mathon and Thomas Maier, who saved my ass by helping me with a replacement mixing board and a ton of helpful work and advice to get me onto stage on time. Almost the entire festival was enjoyable to hear. I'm with Andy Butler on the only thing holding back was just the sheer amount of the performances and the occasional loud volume. I stuck it out, however, through Christy Doran's New Bag set and was just completely turned on by what incredible musicians they were. I have written an extensive tour diary and review of each set that is up at my website and will be posting it and pics of the trip and the festival in the next few days if you are interested in a more in depth analysis of the performances. http://www.looppool.info/diarych1.html My only true dissapointment? Bernhard Wagner did not do a set to promote his beautiful new solo looping CD. I feel good though, because Bernhard will be a headlining performer at the Y2K5 International Live Looping Festival on October 9th in Santa Cruz. Other international loopers coming to California for the festival are Japanese headliners, Hideki Nakanishi and Ryusei Hattori and featured performers Zurrigo (Switzerland), Roberto Zorzi (Italy) and Andy Butler (UK). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 31 22:21:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D36D3BEFA; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:21:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MRhA9ftZvf+uWRwNc4i4MM/R7B05Hbmyv7ErmNF1Rfe52y61w+CqKN9ZWQwrxEXcK3Ha1leo8ABvpkyVGSHkGtB/HZfNboO27rAGGj3Avmg2IWmLwXTwl408peAnYMfq3cmD0FwSmcpNw6P7RhZ3K2lM8Iyj50IYGFlrCZmu23w= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:21:15 -0700 From: Travis Hartnett To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex Footpedal not responding In-Reply-To: <6859f4cc778622513846e2549e2428cb@bartholomusic.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <1b9bb10798a5172e7af51c4147629d19@bartholomusic.com> <04154c20de11606ab5b1a2b6984b4ed9@bartholomusic.com> <6859f4cc778622513846e2549e2428cb@bartholomusic.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:21:17 +0000 (UTC) When I say "warm stages" I mean warmer than 100F, and usually in the sun. My EDP (and most gear) doesn't do well in those circumstances.=20 This was also one of the early production EDP's which run hotter and are more prone to thermal issues. On 8/31/02, Adrian Bartholomew wrote: > consider urself fortunate. > like the other person complaining about his edp fc, (and ive said > nothing of my personal experience so far), i also have unacceptable > reliability with mine. > maybe "perfection" is a word that has no meaning so i will requote. > the probability of the edp controller becoming unreliable over time is > too high for serious stage performance. > ANY electronic unit is suseptable to problems due to relativly extreme > thermal, humid and electro-magnetic environments. > nothing in my extensive rack has ever gone bad and i used to live in > trinidad (caribbean) where it is 90 deg and 80-99% humidity YEAR ROUND. > u can backup ur edp fc all u want but at the end of the day i want > other potential users to know that u are LUCKY. > ___ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 31 22:22:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F24DB3BF01; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:22:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <076c01c5ae7a$800ce8e0$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "loop.pool" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Y2K5 International Live Looping Festival Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:22:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:22:34 +0000 (UTC) The Y2K5 International Live Looping Festival will be held in Santa Cruz on October 8th and 9th (Saturday and Sunday). We'll be celebrating five years of producing live looping festivals this year!!!! The person who I secured a venue from has stopped working for the organization where we had it planned so I am scrambling now to find an alternate location (or renegotiate playing at the original venue). Also, being in Zurich for the big festival has put me behind in the production of this festival. That added to the fact that several featured performers are still unsure if they can come or not means that I cannot officially reveal any of the details of the festival (they aren't decided yet). There is also a strong possibility that we may have one or even two dates for the festival in San Francisco. Again, this is being negotiated as we speak. A large number of people have already contacted me about playing the festival so there may still be spots open in the performance. I will give first consideration to people 1) from out of California and 2) who have not played the festival before so if you are interested in playing and I don't already know your music Send me a CD as soon as possible, for consideration to Y2K5 SUBMISSION 412 Darwin Street Santa Cruz, California 95062-2629 I will accept people on a first come, first served basis. Please make it representative of what you do in a live looping slot. Do to the large volume of applicants so far, I will not consider anyone but musicians who use live looping as a primary tool in their performances. This means that performances that rely on pre recorded loops primarily will not be accepted. It is okay if people augment their primarily live looping set with drum machines or sequences but the spirit of this festival is LIVE LOOPING. There really, unfortunately, isn't room for groups at this festival (unless they can meet the 20 minute silent setup, 30 minute set and 10 minute maximum offstage time criteria). I look forward to hearing from you. Wish me luck in finding a suitable venue! yours, Rick Walker Y2K5 International Live Looping Festival From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 31 22:42:58 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B9F53BEF6; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:42:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619.2) In-Reply-To: References: <1b9bb10798a5172e7af51c4147629d19@bartholomusic.com> <04154c20de11606ab5b1a2b6984b4ed9@bartholomusic.com> <6859f4cc778622513846e2549e2428cb@bartholomusic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <57ff7e7eab951b58ba51bc84b08c5fa7@bartholomusic.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: Echoplex Footpedal not responding Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:42:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619.2) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 66.226.64.14 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:42:58 +0000 (UTC) oh. fair enough. theres 1 thing that bugs me about the 1010. the led doesnt reflect the state of the edp function it controls. On Aug 31, 2005, at 5:21 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > When I say "warm stages" I mean warmer than 100F, and usually in the > sun. My EDP (and most gear) doesn't do well in those circumstances. > This was also one of the early production EDP's which run hotter and > are more prone to thermal issues. > > On 8/31/02, Adrian Bartholomew wrote: >> consider urself fortunate. >> like the other person complaining about his edp fc, (and ive said >> nothing of my personal experience so far), i also have unacceptable >> reliability with mine. >> maybe "perfection" is a word that has no meaning so i will requote. >> the probability of the edp controller becoming unreliable over time is >> too high for serious stage performance. >> ANY electronic unit is suseptable to problems due to relativly extreme >> thermal, humid and electro-magnetic environments. >> nothing in my extensive rack has ever gone bad and i used to live in >> trinidad (caribbean) where it is 90 deg and 80-99% humidity YEAR >> ROUND. >> u can backup ur edp fc all u want but at the end of the day i want >> other potential users to know that u are LUCKY. >> ___ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Aug 31 22:44:57 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01B133BEFA; Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:44:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zDHU9/QzzbQkm4U75svxAQaXzOaGAROteAmXn7P+v1ZCozHEPsFdCPfi/VfPz3H/cM9HEzIjnYWX2KADEAsxj9T991CTbMTrRGX8XVLFdi8bzDcdTQk4epFFaB4t0hz8zZyNXC90G6VqdiJvii2yZKdeLdGKOFgmASU69haozjc= ; Message-ID: <20050831224453.4980.qmail@web50808.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:44:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Wind Stick Devil Subject: Re: Zurich Loopfest Diary To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <06f301c5ae77$98128920$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-22805128-1125528293=:4854" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/52697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:44:56 +0000 (UTC) --0-22805128-1125528293=:4854 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Where can I get a copy of that Pittsburgh recording star Michael Klobuchar's CD mentioned in your 'diary'? W "loop.pool" wrote: I just got home from the Zurich loopfest, exhilirated and exhausted (22 hours of travel time home to California)! I had a fantastic time and feel so inspired to create and so turned on to new techniques and ideas that I saw at the show, at the workshops and just jamming a lot (with Andy, Per,Bernhard, Michael, Thomas, Rolf, Matthias and Bill). Michael Shieffel's fantastic show also was the coolest multiple use of the EDP that I have seen so far. He has mapped all the functions out to a midi keyboard and did a wonderful, spontaneous, funny, moving and beautiful set with just his voice. Astonishing. Bernhard Wagner just really set the bar high for future looping festivals. So many thanks go to him and also to the great crew that he assembled to pull off the festival. Also huge thanks go to Matthias Grob for hosting a wonderful stay for the loopers in his cabin in beautiful Mathon and Thomas Maier, who saved my ass by helping me with a replacement mixing board and a ton of helpful work and advice to get me onto stage on time. Almost the entire festival was enjoyable to hear. I'm with Andy Butler on the only thing holding back was just the sheer amount of the performances and the occasional loud volume. I stuck it out, however, through Christy Doran's New Bag set and was just completely turned on by what incredible musicians they were. I have written an extensive tour diary and review of each set that is up at my website and will be posting it and pics of the trip and the festival in the next few days if you are interested in a more in depth analysis of the performances. http://www.looppool.info/diarych1.html My only true dissapointment? Bernhard Wagner did not do a set to promote his beautiful new solo looping CD. I feel good though, because Bernhard will be a headlining performer at the Y2K5 International Live Looping Festival on October 9th in Santa Cruz. Other international loopers coming to California for the festival are Japanese headliners, Hideki Nakanishi and Ryusei Hattori and featured performers Zurrigo (Switzerland), Roberto Zorzi (Italy) and Andy Butler (UK). __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --0-22805128-1125528293=:4854 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Where can I get a copy of that Pittsburgh recording star Michael Klobuchar's CD mentioned in your 'diary'?
 
W

"loop.pool" <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
I just got home from the Zurich loopfest, exhilirated and exhausted (22
hours of travel time home to California)! I had a fantastic time and feel
so inspired to create and so turned on to new techniques and ideas that I
saw at the show, at the workshops and just jamming a lot (with Andy,
Per,Bernhard, Michael, Thomas, Rolf, Matthias and Bill).

Michael Shieffel's fantastic show also was the coolest multiple use of
the EDP that I have seen so far. He has mapped all the functions out to a
midi keyboard and did a wonderful, spontaneous, funny, moving and beautiful
set with just his voice. Astonishing.

Bernhard Wagner just really set the bar high for future looping festivals.
So many thanks go to him and also to the great crew that he assembled to
pull off the festival. Also huge thanks go to Matthias Grob
for hosting a wonderful stay for the loopers in his cabin in beautiful
Mathon and Thomas Maier, who saved my ass by helping me with a replacement
mixing board and a ton of helpful work and advice to get me onto stage on
time.

Almost the entire festival was enjoyable to hear. I'm with Andy Butler on
the only thing holding back was just the sheer amount of the performances
and the occasional loud volume. I stuck it out, however, through Christy
Doran's New Bag set and was just completely turned on by what incredible
musicians they were.

I have written an extensive tour diary and review of each set that is up at
my website and will be posting it and pics of the trip and the festival in
the next few days if you are interested in a more in depth analysis of the
performances. http://www.looppool.info/diarych1.html

My only true dissapointment? Bernhard Wagner did not do a set to
promote his beautiful new solo looping CD.

I feel good though, because Bernhard will be a headlining performer at the
Y2K5 International Live Looping Festival on October 9th in Santa Cruz.
Other international loopers coming to California
for the festival are Japanese headliners, Hideki Nakanishi and Ryusei
Hattori and featured performers
Zurrigo (Switzerland), Roberto Zorzi (Italy) and Andy Butler (UK).

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